June 25, 2024 • 60 mins
Today we have an exceptional activist, lawyer and mama bear, Erin Friday, joining us from California to discuss the trans agenda on children and the steps we need to take to protect them moving forward.
Erin shares her personal journey of becoming an advocate after her own child was influenced by gender ideology in school. She recounts the moment of realization when her daughter was being addressed by a male name and pronouns without her knowledge, and the subsequent battles with the school system and Child Protective Services.
Erin, a lifelong Democrat, highlights the importance of bridging the gap between political ideologies to combat this issue. She emphasizes the need for grassroots efforts, parental involvement, and legislative action to safeguard children from premature and harmful gender transitions.
We delve into the impact of gender-affirming practices on children's mental health, the role of media and educational systems in promoting these ideologies, and the importance of supporting organizations like Gays Against Groomers and Our Duty.
Erin also discusses the significance of proposed bills to provide medical treatment for detransitioners, extend the statute of limitations for lawsuits, and ensure parental notification regarding their child's exposure to gender ideology. She calls for collective action and donations to support initiatives in blue states like Colorado, which are crucial battlegrounds in this fight.
Join us as we explore the challenges, strategies, and hope for a future where children can grow up without the undue influence of harmful ideologies. Tune in to hear Erin's inspiring story and learn how you can make a difference.
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Welcome to the Dark Side of the Rainbow. This is your host, Robert Wallace,
and this is a Gaze Against Groomers production.
Today we have an exceptional activist and mama bear, a mother out of California,
many of you may know her, Erin Friday.
She joins us today to talk about the trans agenda on children and the kinds
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of things we're going to need to do in order to protect the kids moving forward.
How are you doing, Erin? I'm great. How are you, Robert?
Fantastic. Well, I'm really excited to talk to you. You have a very inspiring story.
You had a personal experience with your own child going through the influences
that we're all battling right now, and you got activated and you started to make a difference.
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Would you give our audience a little bit of your background on what brought you to this place?
Sure. So I'm a hesitant or reluctant advocate, truly.
I wasn't in politics at all. I'm a lifelong Democrat and voted for same-sex
marriage out here in California.
We're in liberal land. And my daughter got a sex ed course in seventh grade.
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So they were about 11 and 12.
And all of her friends came out as something on the LGBTQ alphabet soup.
Following that class, they had an hour of just gender ideology altogether.
They had five hours of coursework. And that was the first eye-opening experiences.
But what are they teaching our kids at school? This is ridiculous. These kids are 11.
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They have no idea what they are at this point in their lives.
And they were using language that is much older language, like pansexual polyamorous.
Language that 11-year-olds really shouldn't have in their vernacular at that
time. So that was the opening.
And what these classes do and what these books do, these books being read to
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kids, is it plants the seed.
And so that seed is in their belly, ready to germinate when they go through
puberty or a distressful time, or they're a little bit quirky,
a little bit odd, which are the cool kids. I mean, they're eventually the coolest kids around.
But that seed sat in her belly until COVID happened.
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And she was living online.
And then she announced that she was transgender after being groomed.
I mean, quite literally groomed on the internet for months and months and months
and through her school. So I came out.
I discovered the actual gravity of it when I could hear through my bedroom wall
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the high school that I enrolled her calling her by a male name and using male pronouns.
And I didn't realize at that time what a hot issue this was.
I called the school and read them the complete riot act. I just went ballistic.
How dare you change my daughter's name? You didn't call me.
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They said that their normal line is, we need to be a safe space,
which was quite hilarious to me because my daughter had never stepped foot into that school. Cool.
So who is, and who is, who is she being safe from? Me? I mean,
these are the questions I asked.
Define safe. What does that mean? Am I unsafe? What do you know of me?
What do you know of my daughter?
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I mean, I literally asked them like, is she fat, skinny, tall?
What's her favorite ice cream? They knew nothing, but they thought it was within
their safety protocol to help foist and solidify a false identity on my child.
Child Protective Services showed up at my house about a week later,
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along with the police, because obviously I was unsafe.
Luckily, I'm an attorney, so they went on their way.
And that was really kind of the pie-in-the-face moment of what has happened
to our society, because I was a really good little liberal. You know,
I read the New York Times.
I mean, Fox News, forget it. Like, that was kryptonite. And so I never even
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heard about this movement underfoot, because certainly the liberal mainstream
media was never discussing this.
And if it was, it was with flowers and accolades for these kids.
And that's when I got activated.
First, I had to save my daughter, which I did. Really pleased to announce that
she has embraced her female body
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and, you know, is quite pleased with her female body, as she should be.
And then once she was stable, because I'll tell you something that people don't
really realize is that these kids, when they say that they're trans identified.
What they're really saying is that they hate themselves, that they are rejecting their natural body.
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You know, we can go back in time, and I know it's hard, especially at my age.
You know, all the uncomfortableness you're going through as a teenager.
I mean, you get one pimple and you will obsess over that pimple that entire week.
You know, keep looking in the mirror and everyone's looking at me.
And that's that time in their life where the slightest imperfection is blown up.
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And when you tell a child that they are born wrong, on.
That everything is wrong with them. That's a really cruel thing to do.
It really makes a child look in a mirror and see the reflection and hate it,
hate everything about themselves.
And then you add on top of it, if your parents don't support and using that
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term in their way, if they don't agree that you are actually the opposite gender, then they hate you.
If you tell a child they're imperfect, everything about them is wrong,
from their head to their toes, everything in between, their parent hates them.
Oh, and by the way, you're going to commit suicide because trans kids commit suicide.
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So you've got this trifecta of horrible harm on these kids and they sink into deep depressions.
And a lot of people don't talk about this from the parent perspective,
but when a child is depressed, they're really angry too.
They're cruel and they're mean, and they're very difficult to deal with because
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you get hit with, I hate you all day long. I don't want you, I'm gonna leave.
Just horrible cruelty because that's how children show depression is to,
and it's usually the attack on the mother.
And so I understand when parents kind of capitulate and give in to the name
and pronouns because you really take a lashing and then you add on top of it,
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parents have nowhere to turn.
The doctors aren't going to help you. The teachers aren't going to help you.
The politicians and sometimes even your own family doesn't help you.
So you're getting hit from all sides.
It's a tough place to be. But luckily, my family was supportive and I was able to pull her out.
And during that time, I became an activist because I didn't want any other family
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to go through what I went through.
Wow, that is a powerful testimony of things that are actually happening all
across the country and more and more around the world.
And we can get into how that's so in a little while too, you know,
you mentioned that you have been a lifeline.
Democrat. And I think that is a really significant thing,
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which I think you also at this point probably realize is because the majority
of the people who are pushing against this tend to be more right-leaning.
They tend to be more conservative.
And, you know, Gays Against Groomers is an apolitical program organization.
This is an apolitical program.
But it just so happens that we rarely, if ever, actually talk to Democrats or
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people on the left who are standing up in this direction.
We're seeing more of it, but for the most part, it seems to be a very politically polarized issue.
It seems to be very one-sided. And I think part of that has to do with the media
silos we live in on either side and the way that things are portrayed.
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Great, but you've actually had a sort of awakening about the type of programming
the media and the more liberal side is having on people.
Yeah, and it's interesting because I'm part of a nonprofit also called Our Duty,
and Our Duty is nonpartisan like
you guys, and we need to be because we actually need to bridge that gap.
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And we're probably 80% Democrats.
The interesting part heart is, is the media, despite Democrats speaking up, squelches.
So if there's an event that I'm at and a conservative is also at the event,
they're going to focus on the conservative and not give me any airplay because
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I go against the narrative.
So the Democrats that are allowed, they get silenced and get,
you know, they err on the side of then the conservative.
I mean, that's why it's so important, and I love what Gays Against Groomers
is doing, is to, I'm easily called a bigot.
A white wing conservative, even
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though I'm not religious, all of these things, because I look the part.
And that's why I really encourage, because I work with a lot of feminists and
a lot of lefties, because we're California.
But I love when my lesbian friends come up, because it really spins out the
legislature when they see a line of very very obvious lesbians coming up and
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fighting against some of these really bad bills because it wrecks the narrative for them.
And you know, we know that this isn't really a left-right issue.
It's how they frame it. And, you know, it's because they have to frame it that
way. So the media is lying.
And you brought up, you know, this epiphany too, which is embarrassing,
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is that I'd been hoodwinked for so long.
And I don't know how long it was. I don't want to go back that far.
But the Democrat party that I joined when I was 18 is not recognizable at all.
And I don't know when the switch happened, but I certainly slept through it.
And it's a brilliant scheme to keep the left and the right away from each other
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and silo us when really, we have a lot in common, you know, a lot more in common
than people want to admit.
Certainly here in California, some of the loudest voices are Democrats.
And it's interesting, we did a ballot initiative here.
And we had really lefties, you know, pro-choice lefties going to walks for life,
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collecting signatures.
I helped prevent a gun store from coming into my neighborhood,
and I was going to gun show after gun show collecting signatures. And it was...
Really eye-opening to actually then talk to gun owners and you get a different
perspective and you start to change and grow, which is the silver lining in
all of this is maybe the left and the right should be talking a little more. Yeah, absolutely.
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Obviously, I'm just recapitulating what you've just said so well is this is not a political issue.
This is a take care of the kids with common sense issue.
And, you know, I myself, you know, grew up in a very Democrat household.
And, you know, later I found, you know, my own proclivities,
you know, leaning a little bit more conservative because of being woken up by
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issues, which didn't make any sense. And it made more sense on the other hand.
But with that said, you know, we have to be able to be friends.
We have to be able to understand what's happening with the other side,
regardless of what party or no party where we're at.
And we've got to pay attention to what's being told to each side or we're going
to become very one track.
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And that is by design. Absolutely.
And you're right. I mean, the focus needs to be on morality and taking care
of children and making sure science is the North Star in all of this.
And we've really wobbled on all of that.
And the left has been brilliant in their strategies Because this has been going
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on since I know in California, I chased it back to 1999, where they started these laws,
weaving them in ever so slowly to get sex and gender to be equivalent.
And no one was paying attention. Exactly. Wow.
I think you're doing amazing work, especially in terms of bridge building these
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ideologies and helping people from both sides come together around what's really
important here, because that is amazing.
That's the crux of it. So your daughter went through a whole lot,
and you actually did a speech at Genspec.
And for anybody who hasn't heard it, you can look it up on YouTube.
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It's a very moving testimonial of your personal experience of what you went
through with her and the discoveries.
And it was a very real talk.
I mean, I really felt like this is a complete story here, like nothing's left
out. And as a parent who's watching this happen, the worst thing that you could
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feel is shut out of your child's life.
And that is what the program to do. And like you were saying,
the whole, you know, the trans or die thing, the first thing that people go
to is if you don't trans this kid, if you don't let them convert,
you're going to have yourself a dead daughter as opposed to a living son, that whole thing.
And what we actually see is after a person physically transitions.
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That suicide rate it actually goes from just over 1% to around 3%.
So it actually rises seemingly because of the dissatisfaction of the solution.
And it rises actually beforehand.
So there is an NIH, National Institute of Health study that's going on that
is at the four largest gender clinics in the United States for children.
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And there were 325, or maybe it was 315.
I might be a little little bit off there, kids who were enrolled in this program.
And they were given support by parents. Parents were supporting their transition.
They had the quote-unquote, you know, best teams in the country because they
were at the largest gender clinics, you know, Children's Hospital LA,
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Boston, you know, these prestigious, so-called prestigious institutions.
And two out of the 315 15 kids committed suicide during the first year of the study.
That's a 40 times higher rate than.
Other kids at that same age group. So you can see just from that 40 times.
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And what is interesting is the doctors who are doing that study,
they stopped tracking suicidality because they didn't like the numbers that were coming up.
And the craziest part is they already vetted those kids for severe mental health
issues before they could even get into the study.
So you can see that this affirmation hurts these kids on the front end too.
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There are no studies that show that affirming a child prevents them from committing suicide.
Because again, you have to remember what affirmation is.
Affirmation is agreeing that the child is wrong.
Everything is wrong with them physically. That makes for a very sad child and
they're waiting to get fixed.
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That's a horrible thing to do. Like, if only I'll be popular,
if only I could grow a beard, if only my breasts were gone. It doesn't work that way.
And these kids then are pulled out of, you know, normal friendships, too.
They don't have a chance to have the normal experience of childhood.
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And they obsess and they think, you know, if I do this one thing,
I'm going to be happy. It doesn't happen that way.
So yeah, and the suicides, you know, the suicide stats too, they're the equivalent
of a child who has OCD or autism or depression, which gets swept under the rug.
They don't address the root problem that's going on with these kids because
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you have to ask, which was never asked of my daughter. Why do you believe this?
Why are you rejecting your natural body? What is it about yourself that you don't like.
And once you address that underlying distress, the transgender identity disappears.
That is such a huge part of this. We don't calculate enough that these kids
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who were susceptible to this, who are finding themselves in this trans ideology far and above most kids,
they're suffering with the depression,
with possibly being on the spectrum of autism.
And ultimately, it is coming down to the non-acceptance of self.
And I think that's kind of what the funny part of the whole gender affirming
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thing is, funny not in a haha way, but the queer part, if you will,
is that we really should be affirming the gender of the body that they're in.
If you're a tomboy, you know, fine, dress masculine, you know,
like have that expression, but you don't need to change your body in order to
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be able to accept your gender.
And that's the interesting logic that, you know, I need to change my body in
order, you know, so that I can feel affirmed in my gender.
And then they turn around and
say that, you know, my current gender doesn't, you know, define my sex.
You know, this is a very convoluted, I apologize for that. I think most of us
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know what we're talking about here, but. Yeah, it's completely circular and it's regressive.
And, you know, I'm sure, you know, you know this, you know, and I'd actually love to hear from you.
But most adults who are gay, when they were younger, they were confused about
their sexuality and might have thought, well, I'm since I'm a boy who likes
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girl things, I should be a girl.
And I don't think there's many Americans who would agree that it's great in
Iran that a gay man has a choice of death or transition.
And that's what we're doing to these kids. We're basically telling effeminate
boys, hey, might you be a girl, actually?
And masculine girls, might you be a boy? And I'll tell you, like one of the
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things that I used to help get my daughter out, I was a complete tomboy.
I mean, I'm straight, but I was a complete tomboy. And I have a male name,
at least, you know, some people thought Aaron was a boy's name.
And I was rough and tumble.
And I had short hair and everybody thought I was a boy. And I thought that was
cool because I could, you know, get dirty and ride bikes and,
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you know, play baseball instead of softball.
And, you know, I put this picture up of myself from eighth grade and I look like a little boy.
And my daughter's like, who's that? I'm like, that's when I was a boy.
Like, had I grown up then, maybe they would have told me I was actually,
you know, a gay boy because I liked boys.
And they take away all of that innocence and that exploration and they medicalize it and monetize it.
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You're your authentic self. How are you authentic with a bunch of needles being
put into your arms? It's not being authentic.
Authentic is au naturel.
Exactly. And yes, to your point, I myself did, of course, experience a lot of
confusion about myself.
I mean, I remember when hair started growing in my legs and the first thing
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I did is I freaked out and shaved them.
And I remember watching TV with my, you know, my family and my mom looks down
and says, did you shave your legs?
And I panicked because apparently she had recognized that, you know,
and I was just terrified of this, this masculinizing of my body.
And I did identify for a long period as asexual, because for me, having somewhat of.
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A religious predisposition, which I was not in a religious household by any means.
However, I still felt like, oh, you know, this is very sinful, very bad.
And, you know, I'll take this more like asexual route, you know.
So, you know, I went through things like that and I wanted to be castrated for many years.
And I thought that was also a solution to my mother talked me out of that.
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She had me put a pause on it for a year, even though I'd spent 10 years thinking about it.
And right at the end, I found Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich.
And there's a chapter on sex transmutation there.
And I realized that doing that would actually affect my mojo in unrelated ways,
my ability to climb the corporate ladder, be athletically inclined.
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So I said, okay, maybe I'll just deal with my lot.
But had this ideology been around, it would have been very convenient simply
to say, oh, I'm a girl and voila, I'm straight again. Or all of a sudden, I'm straight.
If you look at videos of me as a five-year-old or whatever, mother, how did you not know?
I'm clearly a homosexual. This is a gay little boy right there,
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you know, but you're right.
They are definitely trying to get people in their most confused,
vulnerable, innocent, and state of being.
And that is why we have to step in between these medical professionals,
so-called, these counselors, these activist teachers, this media.
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And that's why it's so important that people like you are doing what you're
doing. We need more people doing that. We do.
And that's, you know, that I'm sure you feel this.
It disturbs me to no end. I was talking to a pediatrician last night and,
you know, her response is, well, we have to, we have to change their charts.
We're required by our, you know, our partnership or, and I think, Do you? Do you have to?
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Is there a gun to your head? That's your excuse, we have to?
My employer requires me?
That doesn't resonate with me, this whole, you're so brave.
I don't like people to say that to me, because first of all,
you have to be afraid to be brave.
You have to be moral. And nobody looks at the people who were leading the Jews
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to the gas chamber and said, oh, we understand you had to. There is no have to.
You can always stand up. There's more jobs. And I know I say that flippantly, but I don't.
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But there can't be one or two of us standing up. There needs to be a whole army.
75% to 84% of all Americans are against this garbage. We've got the numbers.
We have just been told that we'll be canceled. They can't cancel us all.
Nothing has happened to me, knock on wood.
Nothing has happened to the other activists out here in California.
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And we can all do our part. And if you're not able to physically do anything, then donate.
Find the groups that are fighting this that you resonate with and donate.
Anybody can donate $25.
$25 monthly, that's two Starbucks. And then show up and write letters.
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Once a month, say, I'm going to do something. If once a month,
everyone promised to do something, this would be over faster.
Roster because realistically, this part of history will end.
It's just a matter of what's the body count. And the body count is growing.
So I don't have sympathy for people who say, I can't. You must.
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It's my answer. You must.
And you and I, and those of us who are fighting, we're not going to save the
day without the army behind us.
We need the army. Right. That is absolutely correct.
The silent majority, as they say, this is something we call tacit agreement.
Just by remaining silent, you're putting in a vote. You're saying the status quo is okay.
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I'm going to be Switzerland. I'm going to stand on foot on both sides and just try to play mediator.
You can't do that. You have to take a position.
You spoke, I believe, in front of the California Senate. Is that correct? Oh, I...
Speak all the time in front of the California legislature. Oh yeah,
I'm up there all the time.
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And that's really important to do that, to go do a request to speak,
to speak at school boards.
And when I talk to certain politicians, pretty much all of them who are doing
this kind of work to protect kids, one of the things that I hear is,
you know, people need to contact their representatives, other representatives,
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whether they're House representatives or the Senate, and they will feel empowered
to take seemingly unpopular actions if they feel like they have the backing
of the people behind them, the will of the people,
and that's what they're representing.
But so many of them are afraid to go against the grain, especially if they feel
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like they're in it alone.
So writing your representative and contacting them and showing up and showing
your support court will embolden them to change their minds because it's known to happen.
Exactly. Even in crazy California. I mean, we've stopped some bad bills because
people made phone calls and you can make these phone calls.
I mean, literally, I send out calls to action and I say, this will take you five minutes.
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And you can do it on a Sunday. You're just filling up their voicemail with your name.
I'm against this bill. You don't even need to have a full -blown discussion.
Because all the person on the other end of the phone does is put a little checkmark, against for.
And when the against gets really big, it makes them think about how they're
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going to vote on that bill. It's just a numbers game.
And so if you're not calling in and it's just no hash marks,
they're going to do what their party tells them to do.
Even the Republicans, especially here in California, I mean,
they're pretty spineless unless they have the backing of the people.
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They're just as nervous as everyone else. They need to see that their seat is
safe, that their people are.
Are interested in these safeguarding bills.
It matters to show up. And like I said, I was explaining earlier,
like when people show up in person to Sacramento, which is a slog,
like, look, it's cost me $125 every time I drive up there, just in gas.
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And it's a, you know, four hour, five hour round trip for two minutes.
That's all I get, two minutes.
I do that. And other Other people come up and they don't even get two minutes.
They get to say their name and I'm against this bill. And when they see all
the different colors of people coming up, shapes and sizes, backgrounds,
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I'm Democrat, I'm an independent, that matters.
Because if it's a whole bunch of sane looking people, they're like,
okay, they can throw me in a bucket.
I mean, I should probably dye my hair purple. Maybe I'll get a couple of piercings.
But it matters. I mean, these things actually matter and people don't realize
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how much their voice is needed. And look, we live in a republic.
We have a voice if we use it. Voting every two years, not cutting it,
folks. Because we're at a tipping point where we can go one way or another,
and the other is a really bad place.
We are careening towards the absolute destruction of family.
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We have a bill in California right now, which will mandate that teachers deceive
parents when their child is struggling with gender at school from TK,
four years old, all the way up through senior year, that they will be mandated
to keep this secret. This is California.
Everything we do, we pass it on.
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You will have it. The whole Title IX, we already had Title IX destroyed in our state years ago.
And so you have to be on the lookout in your states and just know that this
is coming your way where parents are cut out of their children's lives.
That's where we are in the United States. Your grandchildren,
your nieces and nephews, this affects everyone.
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So we need to get loud and we need to stop this now because we're running out of time.
You know, you briefly in that you hit on something that's.
Close to my heart, I think is an important issue. We are a republic.
And often we hear it said, you know, save our democracy. Our democracy is under fire.
While a democracy is a different form of government, we have maybe a representative
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democracy and that our leaders are democratically elected, but we are a constitutional republic.
And the difference between the two is in a democracy, it's mob rule.
If 51% say you lose a right, then you lose a right.
But with a constitutional republic, you have your inalienable rights enshrined.
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And we are seeing people's rights, women's rights, we're seeing very basic rights
eroding because of this cultural shift.
Some may even term it cultural Marxism. And so getting back to kind of something
that I was getting on before, this really is a top-down operation for people who don't know.
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We have individuals at the level of the World Economic Forum working at the
United Nations level and up going top-down saying, we're going to impress these
new regulations and they are required to happen.
And so companies and teachers unions and everybody's falling in suit.
That's where this is coming from. This is not an organic uprising of oppressed trans individuals.
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This is a mass indoctrination. That's true, but I think it's top-down and bottom-up,
because once they invaded the kindness space, the DEI, inclusion, acceptance.
Then you have the bottom actually coming up and saying these are civil rights issues.
And so it's brilliantly strategic.
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You have it coming from the top and the bottom. And then gobs of funding.
The funding is almost endless.
And each of us, I'm sure you're actually benefiting financially from some of
this and you don't even know it.
I mean, I just bought something on Macy's and they do a, will you donate to Trevor Project?
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Trevor Project is one of the biggest pushers of the trans agenda.
And almost every time I buy something now, it's round up for this LGBTQ group.
And it's always the T.
We all know it's the T, if you're smart enough, should I say.
The lesbian law group or whatever, that's all T.
But the way they're constantly getting funding, you own a Vanguard fund,
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you're funding this. You own any mutual funds. You're funding this.
We even have a transgender store now in my neighborhood.
And it's a really kid family friendly area.
And people don't know, like I walked into the store, there's a huge trans flag
and all the books are trans books.
My God, like just massive, massive.
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So they have the money, we have the people. Who wins on that?
Who wins on that one? I think we know that from the Revolutionary War.
Money people. People win. People win if they bring up their pitchforks. Right.
And I appreciate you correcting me in the sense that it is a more holistic picture to envision.
Yes, it's coming down. It makes me think of rain. It's coming down and then
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it's growing up then out of the soil.
Exactly. That's a good analogy. I love it. I'm going to steal it.
It's all yours. you helped me found it.
So one of the things that you have said in the past, which I think is really
so key to this war and the protection of children, is that, you know,
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when it comes to, for instance,
blue states, when it comes to environments where this is really being pushed
the most, we have to figure out how to squash these issues at those levels.
And I think to some degree, then that is what's going to give us the blueprint
in order to finalize the deal everywhere else.
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And California is a hotbed of this. So you can do it there. You can do it anywhere.
That's right. And that's what was really disappointing with our ballot initiative.
So we had put forth a ballot initiative that would have gotten males out of
girls sports, bathrooms, changing rooms, et cetera, at school. It would have stopped.
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Schools from having secret social transition plans and actually concretizing
their gender identity by giving out binders and packers and trans tape.
And then third, it would have stopped all the gender interventions on kids,
no puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones.
And we didn't get a lot of support from the institutions on the right because
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we were looked at as California's a lost And they didn't really calculate the
power of California and that had we been successful, what it would have done.
It would have changed the United States.
It would have ended this faster. We collected 400,000 signatures out of the
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550 that we needed on a budget of $200,000.
That's incredible. That's 50 cents a signature.
Signature that was a massive undertaking that
was a grassroots efforts both from the
left and the right my biggest donors were democrats and
we had grassroots i mean the republican women federated i mean they just rushed
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it churches i mean really the left and the right working together to collect
400 000 signatures and we really missed the first two months of collecting signatures
we could have have done this if we had a little bit of funding.
A million bucks would have done it. And so it's tragic to me that,
again, like California was given kind of the middle finger from some of the
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right-leaning groups as a lost cause,
which is short-sighted in that all these laws that are coming out, we did it first.
We did it first. So I know that Illinois did a ballot initiative. They failed.
Colorado right now is in the midst of there. So if your listeners want to go
to Protect Kids Colorado, if you're in Colorado, you can sign the ballot initiative.
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If you're not in Colorado, you can donate. And people from other states should
donate to the blue states because we need a win and we can get a win in Colorado.
And that's a cascade, right? Right. Washington, I think it's Washington State,
did a ballot initiative and then the Democrats took up the bill and that passed.
So blue states are savable, but we need to have people focused on them.
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And, you know, Floridians, Tennesseans, you know, those who are lucky enough
to be in safer states, donate to the blue states because we're not done with you.
California is going to advertise in your states about our, you know,
transgender interventions and your kids are going to run away here.
And we'll keep them because that's what we do in the state of California.
We keep them. They just need to get here. And then they're taken away from their parents.
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So none of these states with bans truly have bans because those kids can come
here. And so you have to knock out the blue states.
We've got 25 states now with bans. We need to concentrate on some blue states.
And if that's Pennsylvania, which is a little more purpley.
That's fine, too. But we need to start picking off these blue states and turning
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them back into states that believe in science,
the family, children's natural bodies, because it doesn't help to split our country into two parts.
The red states are safe for kids and the blue states aren't.
And like I said, the red states aren't even safe because their kid just needs to get here.
And their parent, one parent can take them to a blue state and then stay in
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that blue state. That's what our laws are now.
One parent gets to dictate the demise of a child's body, fertility, future. Wow.
Yes. You know, I'm glad that you brought up Colorado and what they're doing there.
One of our members, Rich Guggenheim, has been traveling extensively all throughout that state.
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It's interesting, he put some 2,000 miles on his car recently in the last several
weeks going and trying to get the protection of women's rights and these things,
these petitions signed.
You know, it makes me wonder what recourse do you have once a ballot initiative
or the petitioning fails?
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Is there an opportunity to petition?
A repetition or how does it need to be done different to go again?
Yes. And usually, too, at least in California, it takes a couple of tries before
you get a ballot initiative on the ballot because you have to build the momentum.
So you start, you got 400 signatures the first time, you're going to get 600
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the next time because you're building actually that army that I talked about
because you're educating along the way. So it's not a failure.
It's never a failure because we've educated now to 400,000 people.
And now we know the recipe because we know where to go and how to collect these signatures.
So everything's a learning process. So we'll go out again. Of course we will.
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I mean, we have to. We don't stop.
And we know how successful we are. I mean, this is the greatest part.
That ballot initiative made our legislature come out with this really horrible bill.
So they're afraid of us. Like that's a sign that what we're doing is affecting the left.
What we're doing is affecting the legislature.
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And that in and of itself is a win because we've been silent.
Most blue states have been just taking it and playing a defense game.
You cannot win playing defense.
You cannot just oppose bills. You got to start pushing legislation.
You said you're in Arizona. You guys have the first bill that will provide medical
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treatment for detransitioners. You took the offensive.
I mean, that's brilliant. That's what you have to do. You go out of the gate with offensive moves.
Think of a basketball game. If all you do is defend, you don't win the game.
So we have to be bolder and louder.
It's a game of chess. We got to make our moves too. And they matter.
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Gavin Newsom doesn't want to talk about anything in the ballot initiative. Why?
Because it hurts And the mainstream media, they reported on it.
We got free press on that. They had to report on that.
All these things, they matter, but I'm rooting for Colorado.
I'm really trying to plug Colorado, everything that we did here in California,
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getting Colorado on Megyn Kelly and Charlie Kirk and some of these big platforms,
which was really helpful to us. It really bumped up our numbers.
It's so important. I mean, really, everyone who's listening,
send in $100 to Protect Kids Colorado.
Do it right now. You're listening. Do it right now. Go online and send it in.
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You're saving one kid by that.
$100 worth it. It is. Absolutely. That's a powerful call to action.
People need to activate when they're thinking about it.
These issues are not going away just because you've turned off the radio or
this program's gone off.
You will make a lasting impact on the subject just by contributing,
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especially to these people, boots on the ground.
They're sacrificing their time and their personal money and their whole life
just to make use of this in an effective way to protect your kids,
your neighbor's kids, your grandkids, etc.
You know, I wish I knew as many people, I wish we had a more outspoken Democrat
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population in particular.
You have a, you know, a lot of them, you are involved with organizations,
like you said, which consists of 80% of that. We need people on both sides speaking
against this narrative.
And so no matter where you stand on the issue, I hope that you'll join those listening,
join the likes of Gays Against Rumors, join with Erin and the initiatives that
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she's taking up because everybody needs to work together to save a kid.
Because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what your leaning is.
Because I don't see any sort of discrimination personally in my life with people
who are different politically.
When it comes to these issues, we're instant kin.
We are. This is a battle to save America, to save the kids.
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And after that, you know, live your own life, you know. And there's a group for everyone.
There is. You don't have to join Our Duty. You don't have to join Gays Against Groomers.
There's Democrats for an Informed Approach to Gender. So that's a Democrat-run group.
There's Women's Declaration of Independence. There's Wolf.
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There's the Republican groups. There's so many groups. Pick your group who you
feel most aligned with. Yeah.
Get at it. And we all talk together. We all work together.
I mean, there isn't a right group that I don't work with or a left group that
I don't work with because we all have the same, you know, same goal.
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Exactly. They're using the politics right now to keep us divided.
We're fighting amongst each other so they can rearrange society in the meanwhile,
take advantage of our scattered efforts.
And this is what we need to be doing is to working, working together with no
prejudices, and removing the stereotypes, keeping our eye on the prize.
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Do you have any initiatives coming up or that we're looking forward to that
you'd like to talk about or that you think maybe are good ideas that we should
start to take up in other places?
Well, I wrote a bunch of bills for California, and I wrote two for detransitioners,
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very similar to the one in Arizona.
And that I think should be enacted in every state because detransitioners have
no ability to get any type of medical treatment after they decide to.
Detransition and they're at a loss for finding doctors.
They don't get insurance coverage. And I think that's really,
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really important for them.
I also think detransitioner is a bill that would extend the statute of limitations
so that they can file those lawsuits.
We know that regret settles in around five to 10 years.
And so they've missed their opportunity to sue the doctors because this is going
to come really down to the Supreme Court and lawfare.
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So that's, those who are listening and have the ability to, and you don't have
to be a lawyer to write these bills.
You can just actually, you can email me and I'll give you my bill and you can
copy it and And then go to your policy people in your state and ask them to look at it.
And then, you know, I tried to have a bill that would put into law that it is
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not child abuse, not to transition your child.
We need that bill. We need that bill in states.
There's another one that would have gotten passed.
And notice, I mean, this is so simple. Notice. Notify the parents that your
child going on that overnight trip in eighth grade or seventh grade might be
housed with somebody of a different sex.
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Just notify them. I'll tell you, a lot of parents won't send their kids on those
trips. It's just notification. It's not discrimination.
It's just let those parents know. No, you might have a male body,
you know, both with the counselor.
So you might have a male adult in the room with girls, females,
and you might have a young boy in there.
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You know, these are simple bills that people can push out.
And, you know, you lobby, you go talk to your lawmaker and say,
take up this bill, take up this bill.
Foreign age verification is a huge bill. And that is passing in the red states.
And it's, I believe, passing in the state of California now.
And for those listeners who don't know, a lot of these kids take on their trans
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identity because they have been exposed to some really horrific pornography or any pornography.
When a 10-year-old is watching porn, they don't quite understand this.
Actors, that they're actors and that this isn't normal. It's not normal to choke a woman.
A lot of the males will get into sissy porn and then they'll think they're transgender
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because they get turned on by a man pretending he's a woman.
So the porn age verification bills actually are also really important to pass.
So people can look at other states. Louisiana passed one. I think 10 other states are passing.
These protect our kids, and anyone can propose it to their lawmaker.
I'd like this, and bring 20 people, bring 30 people, and this is the bill we
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want. And it's shocking.
I was tickled. Two of our bills got taken up. I'm nobody.
I'm just a mom. Well, you may think you started as a nobody,
but you've definitely made yourself into a somebody.
You made a name for yourself because you got up and you did something.
And that's more than 95% of us are doing right now.
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And it's just a testament to just trying. You know, the terrible thing here
is we've got the stereotyping, the slandering of parents,
you know, in a roundabout way when we say that we can't trust the parents with
information about their child.
And this is happening you know really anybody
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as you were saying who's in defiance of these things that's happening
to the gays us in particular gays against groomers or
any gay who is you know saying the
same thing you know they're saying hey gay kids need
gay porn in schools they need cartoon pornography
and they justify it all these are just you know little odds and ends of the
the story part of the life experience lived experience and it is sexualizing
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kids by the time they're 18 you know it used to be like you didn't have much exposure to sexuality.
You know, until your late, late teens, maybe, or at least maybe into adulthood,
you know, back in the day.
And I understand that the world is just not so, you know, you're of heart anymore,
but you're coming up into 18 and you already know more about kink and fetish
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than many adults know right now or have lived an entire life.
And there's nothing necessary about that. And it's quite slanderous to suggest
that the gays need that and that the parents can't.
It's an insult. So I fought for a bill that a Republican put up that would have
gotten pornography out of school, eighth grade and below.
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And I brought in a bunch of books as examples of what they're teaching these kids.
And there was a book that told kids how to get on Grindr.
It had definitions of glory hole, scat, eating poop.
What an insult to the gay community. The woman who was, you know,
opposing it said, oh, well, you're homophobic.
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These are, you know, this is a book about gay kids.
And I'm like, that's so insulting. So gay kids eat poop.
Gay kids have random sex in parks.
Like what an insult to that group of humans.
They don't need that. You know, they do things. I mean, it's just so, It's just so nefarious.
In the kink chapter, they put a black woman and all these in cartoons,
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of course, they throw a heavyset black woman into the picture.
So now I'm a racist, a bigot, a fat shamer. I mean, it's like a joke.
You're a gay man. I mean, did you need pornography to figure out that you're
a gay man and feel comfortable in your skin?
No, of course you didn't. No child needs that. Oh, I need to see what I need to do.
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No, you don't. It's just a trick to basically sexualize our children while calling
us bigots and homophobes.
And that's why I love Gays Against Groomers too, because you know,
you give me some cover, right?
Because I'm not gay. And so, you know, if I have someone there for Gays Against
Groomers, well, they can't really call them homophobic.
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But yeah, there's nothing necessary to teach kids about kink and BDSM.
It doesn't help these children.
It hurts these children. And of course, it's all designed to make a child more
susceptible to having that type of sexual experience as a young kid. That's what it's for.
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Let's just call it what it is. It's to not to educate kids.
It's to make them more available to the sickos that are out there.
And there's a lot of them. Some might even call it grooming.
Shocking. They don't like that term. Of course, it's grooming.
I mean, there's a huge connection with the transgender movement and pedophilia
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and destruction of family.
You brought up Marxism. I mean, it's just this cabal of really deviant, a deviant goal.
You know, trans pornography is one of the top viewed pornography.
I mean, we've gotten so absolutely foul where we have humans now with both genitalia. It's like Legos.
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And we're calling that normal.
I mean, you talked about wanting to castrate yourself. We have humans that are being castrated.
We have girls that are being made into like what would look like a Wetsy Betsy or a Barbie doll front.
Removal of everything except a way to urinate. This is dehumanizing.
This is ruining humanity.
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We are objectifying the human body in every way.
We've become a very materialistic society. We've become and in this objectification,
you know, it used to be don't objectify a woman.
Don't look at her as a sex object.
And yet now we're doing that to ourselves where there's a race to the bottom
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to see how quickly we can create this idealized form of some queer identity.
And we're starting to turn into monsters some people are coming out a lot of trans activists.
You know they're they're dressing like they're
not even in the human species i mean
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aside of furries you know and inside of even the drag queens you know who come
out looking like the devil you know during drag queen story hour you know people
are just like i'm i'm non-binary so i'm you know this and that and it's like
this is like undermining your humanity i i went to a protest in Wisconsin,
and there was a woman there who was morbidly obese, and she had no nipples.
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And it was a celebration for her to take her shirt off and show what she had
done to her body that no longer looked like, it didn't look like a male chest,
it didn't look like a female chest, it looked like a no chest.
And celebrating that, I think there was something on X where there was a young
woman who was dancing at Pride.
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And, you know, she's basically doing a striptease and then like the reveal of her scars.
And I'm like, we're celebrating removing healthy body parts.
And adding one. It's like we're Legos. This is just a meat suit.
It's separate from ourselves. We're one unit. And it's insane to me.
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It's just absolutely insane.
And people clapped. There was a woman who got up in Sacramento.
It became the first trans sanctuary city. We need more of these.
And she said, I just got my top surgery. And everybody clapped. That's awesome.
You just took off parts of your body. Yay.
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Hey, I cut off four fingers. Woo.
Cheers. Like that's where we are. That is where we're at.
And unfortunately, for all of the people who make it into adulthood and still
think it's a good idea and still want to pursue that, you know,
hey, you know, we might disagree with it.
But, OK, you're an adult. Well, now you're capable of living with the consequences
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of your decision, however terrible they might actually be and what you may discover later.
But kids don't have the same advantage of, you know, getting that far and then
realizing they made a mistake when they're bombarded with these influences and
then shepherded down that direction.
Yeah, I'm going to I differ slightly on that because I don't think I don't think
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adults should be doing this. certainly not under the age of 25.
We know the majority of the detransitioners did this after the age of 18 because
parents can stop the child up until age 18.
And the same issues for the under 18 are with the over 18.
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So predominantly gay kids, predominantly autistic kids are doing this to themselves.
So there's no gatekeeping.
People who have schizophrenia, other acute mental health issues are doing this
over 18 and there's no stopping them because they get affirmed.
And so working in the parent space, there is nothing more terrifying to the
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parents in our group than that 18th birthday around the corner.
Because 18, let's be serious, 18, we made some really dumb decisions.
I mean, me personally, for sure. We know that the maturation of the brain doesn't
really occur until age 25, 23 to 25.
And if you're autistic, it's 27 to 30.
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And so you're making these lifelong decisions where you still don't have the
capacity to understand the long term consequences of this.
And so I really caution anyone making these decisions before the age of And
certainly anyone making these decisions without getting their mental health
really addressed and in check.
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Look, I'm a pragmatic person. We're not putting the horse back in the barn.
Some people are going to do this. But the vast majority of regretters, too, did it over 18.
Same problems as the younger kids.
No consent, no understanding that their fertility, no ability to comprehend
that they're not going to have sexual experiences anymore, that they're going
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to have atrophy of their genitals, that they're going to live with pain.
I mean, you talk to the detransitioners, they have mystery pain.
Nobody knows how to fix it. Bone pain, constant pain, urination,
when they're just walking.
I mean, this stuff doesn't get talked about. out.
One of the best podcasts I listened to was Karina Cohen.
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I guess he goes now by Corey, Corey Conan with Wesley Yang.
And he talks a lot about the regret and the gaslighting yourself that this is going to help you.
Changing your exterior body rarely helps your mental health, really doesn't. Right.
As they say, such a permanent solution for a temporary problem,
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something most people grow out of.
And personally, I 100% agree with you.
I don't personally know we as an organization, I don't feel any child is born in the wrong body.
Our mission is up until you're an adult.
And after that, it's out of our purview. But I'm right there with you.
I don't think that most anybody in a healthy mental state will see that this
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is going to be beneficial in any way.
Actually, the former Arizona State Chapter lead, which I'm the Arizona State
Chapter lead, he or was a she, Amy, became Matt at 25.
And now at the age of 32, Matt's in a year-long detransition stage going back
into Amy is now socially transitioned into that.
That was a decision that was made at the age of 25.
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So this is definitely and everybody's vulnerable, especially younger than that.
We're out of time. Would you care to share your social media,
website, anywhere else you'd like people to connect with you?
Sure. You can go to ourduty.group.com.
Is how you can get in touch with me. And I actually have to look up my Twitter handle.
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We are on Instagram too, R-Duty.
And my DirectX account is at ErinFriday75490.
Sorry, I had to look it up because I got kicked off of Twitter a while back.
It's your new account. I'm sure you know how that goes.
But yeah, follow me. And if you get in touch with me through R-Duty,
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then I could put you on calls to action.
And these are one-way emails.
They only come from me. There's no like chit-chat on them.
And it tells you, especially if you're in the state of California,
these are the numbers to call. This is what to say. Take you five minutes.
So get on my list. Let's get this done.
Our kids are counting on us and we can right this ship. I'm positive this is
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going to end. Let's just end it really fast.
Absolutely. Well, thank you for all the work you're doing. I hope you will come
back on to the show and continue to keep us updated about the things you're working on.
For our listeners, please visit gazeagainstgroomers.com to learn more about our organization.
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Follow us on Twitter. We're on Twitter. You just said type in Gaze Against Groomers
because the username is a little bit funny against groomers the way it's spelled
out. We're on Instagram.
And if you have any questions, comments, or you want to suggest a guest for
the show, please email podcast at gays against groomers.com.
That'll get to me and others and we will make something happen.
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So thank you for joining us and we will see you next week.
Welcome to the Dark Side of the Rainbow. This is your host, Robert Wallace,
and this is a Gaze Against Groomers production.
Today we have an exceptional activist and mama bear, a mother out of California,
many of you may know her, Erin Friday.
She joins us today to talk about the trans agenda on children and the kinds
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of things we're going to need to do in order to protect the kids moving forward.
How are you doing, Erin? I'm great. How are you, Robert?
Fantastic. Well, I'm really excited to talk to you. You have a very inspiring story.
You had a personal experience with your own child going through the influences
that we're all battling right now, and you got activated and you started to make a difference.
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Would you give our audience a little bit of your background on what brought you to this place?
Sure. So I'm a hesitant or reluctant advocate, truly.
I wasn't in politics at all. I'm a lifelong Democrat and voted for same-sex
marriage out here in California.
We're in liberal land. And my daughter got a sex ed course in seventh grade.
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So they were about 11 and 12.
And all of her friends came out as something on the LGBTQ alphabet soup.
Following that class, they had an hour of just gender ideology altogether.
They had five hours of coursework. And that was the first eye-opening experiences.
But what are they teaching our kids at school? This is ridiculous. These kids are 11.
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They have no idea what they are at this point in their lives.
And they were using language that is much older language, like pansexual polyamorous.
Language that 11-year-olds really shouldn't have in their vernacular at that
time. So that was the opening.
And what these classes do and what these books do, these books being read to
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kids, is it plants the seed.
And so that seed is in their belly, ready to germinate when they go through
puberty or a distressful time, or they're a little bit quirky,
a little bit odd, which are the cool kids. I mean, they're eventually the coolest kids around.
But that seed sat in her belly until COVID happened.
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And she was living online.
And then she announced that she was transgender after being groomed.
I mean, quite literally groomed on the internet for months and months and months
and through her school. So I came out.
I discovered the actual gravity of it when I could hear through my bedroom wall
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the high school that I enrolled her calling her by a male name and using male pronouns.
And I didn't realize at that time what a hot issue this was.
I called the school and read them the complete riot act. I just went ballistic.
How dare you change my daughter's name? You didn't call me.
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They said that their normal line is, we need to be a safe space,
which was quite hilarious to me because my daughter had never stepped foot into that school. Cool.
So who is, and who is, who is she being safe from? Me? I mean,
these are the questions I asked.
Define safe. What does that mean? Am I unsafe? What do you know of me?
What do you know of my daughter?
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I mean, I literally asked them like, is she fat, skinny, tall?
What's her favorite ice cream? They knew nothing, but they thought it was within
their safety protocol to help foist and solidify a false identity on my child.
Child Protective Services showed up at my house about a week later,
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along with the police, because obviously I was unsafe.
Luckily, I'm an attorney, so they went on their way.
And that was really kind of the pie-in-the-face moment of what has happened
to our society, because I was a really good little liberal. You know,
I read the New York Times.
I mean, Fox News, forget it. Like, that was kryptonite. And so I never even
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heard about this movement underfoot, because certainly the liberal mainstream
media was never discussing this.
And if it was, it was with flowers and accolades for these kids.
And that's when I got activated.
First, I had to save my daughter, which I did. Really pleased to announce that
she has embraced her female body
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and, you know, is quite pleased with her female body, as she should be.
And then once she was stable, because I'll tell you something that people don't
really realize is that these kids, when they say that they're trans identified.
What they're really saying is that they hate themselves, that they are rejecting their natural body.
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You know, we can go back in time, and I know it's hard, especially at my age.
You know, all the uncomfortableness you're going through as a teenager.
I mean, you get one pimple and you will obsess over that pimple that entire week.
You know, keep looking in the mirror and everyone's looking at me.
And that's that time in their life where the slightest imperfection is blown up.
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And when you tell a child that they are born wrong, on.
That everything is wrong with them. That's a really cruel thing to do.
It really makes a child look in a mirror and see the reflection and hate it,
hate everything about themselves.
And then you add on top of it, if your parents don't support and using that
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term in their way, if they don't agree that you are actually the opposite gender, then they hate you.
If you tell a child they're imperfect, everything about them is wrong,
from their head to their toes, everything in between, their parent hates them.
Oh, and by the way, you're going to commit suicide because trans kids commit suicide.
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So you've got this trifecta of horrible harm on these kids and they sink into deep depressions.
And a lot of people don't talk about this from the parent perspective,
but when a child is depressed, they're really angry too.
They're cruel and they're mean, and they're very difficult to deal with because
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you get hit with, I hate you all day long. I don't want you, I'm gonna leave.
Just horrible cruelty because that's how children show depression is to,
and it's usually the attack on the mother.
And so I understand when parents kind of capitulate and give in to the name
and pronouns because you really take a lashing and then you add on top of it,
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parents have nowhere to turn.
The doctors aren't going to help you. The teachers aren't going to help you.
The politicians and sometimes even your own family doesn't help you.
So you're getting hit from all sides.
It's a tough place to be. But luckily, my family was supportive and I was able to pull her out.
And during that time, I became an activist because I didn't want any other family
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to go through what I went through.
Wow, that is a powerful testimony of things that are actually happening all
across the country and more and more around the world.
And we can get into how that's so in a little while too, you know,
you mentioned that you have been a lifeline.
Democrat. And I think that is a really significant thing,
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which I think you also at this point probably realize is because the majority
of the people who are pushing against this tend to be more right-leaning.
They tend to be more conservative.
And, you know, Gays Against Groomers is an apolitical program organization.
This is an apolitical program.
But it just so happens that we rarely, if ever, actually talk to Democrats or
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people on the left who are standing up in this direction.
We're seeing more of it, but for the most part, it seems to be a very politically polarized issue.
It seems to be very one-sided. And I think part of that has to do with the media
silos we live in on either side and the way that things are portrayed.
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Great, but you've actually had a sort of awakening about the type of programming
the media and the more liberal side is having on people.
Yeah, and it's interesting because I'm part of a nonprofit also called Our Duty,
and Our Duty is nonpartisan like
you guys, and we need to be because we actually need to bridge that gap.
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And we're probably 80% Democrats.
The interesting part heart is, is the media, despite Democrats speaking up, squelches.
So if there's an event that I'm at and a conservative is also at the event,
they're going to focus on the conservative and not give me any airplay because
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I go against the narrative.
So the Democrats that are allowed, they get silenced and get,
you know, they err on the side of then the conservative.
I mean, that's why it's so important, and I love what Gays Against Groomers
is doing, is to, I'm easily called a bigot.
A white wing conservative, even
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though I'm not religious, all of these things, because I look the part.
And that's why I really encourage, because I work with a lot of feminists and
a lot of lefties, because we're California.
But I love when my lesbian friends come up, because it really spins out the
legislature when they see a line of very very obvious lesbians coming up and
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fighting against some of these really bad bills because it wrecks the narrative for them.
And you know, we know that this isn't really a left-right issue.
It's how they frame it. And, you know, it's because they have to frame it that
way. So the media is lying.
And you brought up, you know, this epiphany too, which is embarrassing,
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is that I'd been hoodwinked for so long.
And I don't know how long it was. I don't want to go back that far.
But the Democrat party that I joined when I was 18 is not recognizable at all.
And I don't know when the switch happened, but I certainly slept through it.
And it's a brilliant scheme to keep the left and the right away from each other
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and silo us when really, we have a lot in common, you know, a lot more in common
than people want to admit.
Certainly here in California, some of the loudest voices are Democrats.
And it's interesting, we did a ballot initiative here.
And we had really lefties, you know, pro-choice lefties going to walks for life,
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collecting signatures.
I helped prevent a gun store from coming into my neighborhood,
and I was going to gun show after gun show collecting signatures. And it was...
Really eye-opening to actually then talk to gun owners and you get a different
perspective and you start to change and grow, which is the silver lining in
all of this is maybe the left and the right should be talking a little more. Yeah, absolutely.
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Obviously, I'm just recapitulating what you've just said so well is this is not a political issue.
This is a take care of the kids with common sense issue.
And, you know, I myself, you know, grew up in a very Democrat household.
And, you know, later I found, you know, my own proclivities,
you know, leaning a little bit more conservative because of being woken up by
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issues, which didn't make any sense. And it made more sense on the other hand.
But with that said, you know, we have to be able to be friends.
We have to be able to understand what's happening with the other side,
regardless of what party or no party where we're at.
And we've got to pay attention to what's being told to each side or we're going
to become very one track.
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And that is by design. Absolutely.
And you're right. I mean, the focus needs to be on morality and taking care
of children and making sure science is the North Star in all of this.
And we've really wobbled on all of that.
And the left has been brilliant in their strategies Because this has been going
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on since I know in California, I chased it back to 1999, where they started these laws,
weaving them in ever so slowly to get sex and gender to be equivalent.
And no one was paying attention. Exactly. Wow.
I think you're doing amazing work, especially in terms of bridge building these
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ideologies and helping people from both sides come together around what's really
important here, because that is amazing.
That's the crux of it. So your daughter went through a whole lot,
and you actually did a speech at Genspec.
And for anybody who hasn't heard it, you can look it up on YouTube.
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It's a very moving testimonial of your personal experience of what you went
through with her and the discoveries.
And it was a very real talk.
I mean, I really felt like this is a complete story here, like nothing's left
out. And as a parent who's watching this happen, the worst thing that you could
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feel is shut out of your child's life.
And that is what the program to do. And like you were saying,
the whole, you know, the trans or die thing, the first thing that people go
to is if you don't trans this kid, if you don't let them convert,
you're going to have yourself a dead daughter as opposed to a living son, that whole thing.
And what we actually see is after a person physically transitions.
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That suicide rate it actually goes from just over 1% to around 3%.
So it actually rises seemingly because of the dissatisfaction of the solution.
And it rises actually beforehand.
So there is an NIH, National Institute of Health study that's going on that
is at the four largest gender clinics in the United States for children.
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And there were 325, or maybe it was 315.
I might be a little little bit off there, kids who were enrolled in this program.
And they were given support by parents. Parents were supporting their transition.
They had the quote-unquote, you know, best teams in the country because they
were at the largest gender clinics, you know, Children's Hospital LA,
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Boston, you know, these prestigious, so-called prestigious institutions.
And two out of the 315 15 kids committed suicide during the first year of the study.
That's a 40 times higher rate than.
Other kids at that same age group. So you can see just from that 40 times.
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And what is interesting is the doctors who are doing that study,
they stopped tracking suicidality because they didn't like the numbers that were coming up.
And the craziest part is they already vetted those kids for severe mental health
issues before they could even get into the study.
So you can see that this affirmation hurts these kids on the front end too.
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There are no studies that show that affirming a child prevents them from committing suicide.
Because again, you have to remember what affirmation is.
Affirmation is agreeing that the child is wrong.
Everything is wrong with them physically. That makes for a very sad child and
they're waiting to get fixed.
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That's a horrible thing to do. Like, if only I'll be popular,
if only I could grow a beard, if only my breasts were gone. It doesn't work that way.
And these kids then are pulled out of, you know, normal friendships, too.
They don't have a chance to have the normal experience of childhood.
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And they obsess and they think, you know, if I do this one thing,
I'm going to be happy. It doesn't happen that way.
So yeah, and the suicides, you know, the suicide stats too, they're the equivalent
of a child who has OCD or autism or depression, which gets swept under the rug.
They don't address the root problem that's going on with these kids because
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you have to ask, which was never asked of my daughter. Why do you believe this?
Why are you rejecting your natural body? What is it about yourself that you don't like.
And once you address that underlying distress, the transgender identity disappears.
That is such a huge part of this. We don't calculate enough that these kids
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who were susceptible to this, who are finding themselves in this trans ideology far and above most kids,
they're suffering with the depression,
with possibly being on the spectrum of autism.
And ultimately, it is coming down to the non-acceptance of self.
And I think that's kind of what the funny part of the whole gender affirming
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thing is, funny not in a haha way, but the queer part, if you will,
is that we really should be affirming the gender of the body that they're in.
If you're a tomboy, you know, fine, dress masculine, you know,
like have that expression, but you don't need to change your body in order to
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be able to accept your gender.
And that's the interesting logic that, you know, I need to change my body in
order, you know, so that I can feel affirmed in my gender.
And then they turn around and
say that, you know, my current gender doesn't, you know, define my sex.
You know, this is a very convoluted, I apologize for that. I think most of us
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know what we're talking about here, but. Yeah, it's completely circular and it's regressive.
And, you know, I'm sure, you know, you know this, you know, and I'd actually love to hear from you.
But most adults who are gay, when they were younger, they were confused about
their sexuality and might have thought, well, I'm since I'm a boy who likes
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girl things, I should be a girl.
And I don't think there's many Americans who would agree that it's great in
Iran that a gay man has a choice of death or transition.
And that's what we're doing to these kids. We're basically telling effeminate
boys, hey, might you be a girl, actually?
And masculine girls, might you be a boy? And I'll tell you, like one of the
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things that I used to help get my daughter out, I was a complete tomboy.
I mean, I'm straight, but I was a complete tomboy. And I have a male name,
at least, you know, some people thought Aaron was a boy's name.
And I was rough and tumble.
And I had short hair and everybody thought I was a boy. And I thought that was
cool because I could, you know, get dirty and ride bikes and,
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you know, play baseball instead of softball.
And, you know, I put this picture up of myself from eighth grade and I look like a little boy.
And my daughter's like, who's that? I'm like, that's when I was a boy.
Like, had I grown up then, maybe they would have told me I was actually,
you know, a gay boy because I liked boys.
And they take away all of that innocence and that exploration and they medicalize it and monetize it.
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You're your authentic self. How are you authentic with a bunch of needles being
put into your arms? It's not being authentic.
Authentic is au naturel.
Exactly. And yes, to your point, I myself did, of course, experience a lot of
confusion about myself.
I mean, I remember when hair started growing in my legs and the first thing
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I did is I freaked out and shaved them.
And I remember watching TV with my, you know, my family and my mom looks down
and says, did you shave your legs?
And I panicked because apparently she had recognized that, you know,
and I was just terrified of this, this masculinizing of my body.
And I did identify for a long period as asexual, because for me, having somewhat of.
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A religious predisposition, which I was not in a religious household by any means.
However, I still felt like, oh, you know, this is very sinful, very bad.
And, you know, I'll take this more like asexual route, you know.
So, you know, I went through things like that and I wanted to be castrated for many years.
And I thought that was also a solution to my mother talked me out of that.
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She had me put a pause on it for a year, even though I'd spent 10 years thinking about it.
And right at the end, I found Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich.
And there's a chapter on sex transmutation there.
And I realized that doing that would actually affect my mojo in unrelated ways,
my ability to climb the corporate ladder, be athletically inclined.
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So I said, okay, maybe I'll just deal with my lot.
But had this ideology been around, it would have been very convenient simply
to say, oh, I'm a girl and voila, I'm straight again. Or all of a sudden, I'm straight.
If you look at videos of me as a five-year-old or whatever, mother, how did you not know?
I'm clearly a homosexual. This is a gay little boy right there,
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you know, but you're right.
They are definitely trying to get people in their most confused,
vulnerable, innocent, and state of being.
And that is why we have to step in between these medical professionals,
so-called, these counselors, these activist teachers, this media.
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And that's why it's so important that people like you are doing what you're
doing. We need more people doing that. We do.
And that's, you know, that I'm sure you feel this.
It disturbs me to no end. I was talking to a pediatrician last night and,
you know, her response is, well, we have to, we have to change their charts.
We're required by our, you know, our partnership or, and I think, Do you? Do you have to?
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Is there a gun to your head? That's your excuse, we have to?
My employer requires me?
That doesn't resonate with me, this whole, you're so brave.
I don't like people to say that to me, because first of all,
you have to be afraid to be brave.
You have to be moral. And nobody looks at the people who were leading the Jews
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to the gas chamber and said, oh, we understand you had to. There is no have to.
You can always stand up. There's more jobs. And I know I say that flippantly, but I don't.
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But there can't be one or two of us standing up. There needs to be a whole army.
75% to 84% of all Americans are against this garbage. We've got the numbers.
We have just been told that we'll be canceled. They can't cancel us all.
Nothing has happened to me, knock on wood.
Nothing has happened to the other activists out here in California.
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And we can all do our part. And if you're not able to physically do anything, then donate.
Find the groups that are fighting this that you resonate with and donate.
Anybody can donate $25.
$25 monthly, that's two Starbucks. And then show up and write letters.
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Once a month, say, I'm going to do something. If once a month,
everyone promised to do something, this would be over faster.
Roster because realistically, this part of history will end.
It's just a matter of what's the body count. And the body count is growing.
So I don't have sympathy for people who say, I can't. You must.
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It's my answer. You must.
And you and I, and those of us who are fighting, we're not going to save the
day without the army behind us.
We need the army. Right. That is absolutely correct.
The silent majority, as they say, this is something we call tacit agreement.
Just by remaining silent, you're putting in a vote. You're saying the status quo is okay.
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I'm going to be Switzerland. I'm going to stand on foot on both sides and just try to play mediator.
You can't do that. You have to take a position.
You spoke, I believe, in front of the California Senate. Is that correct? Oh, I...
Speak all the time in front of the California legislature. Oh yeah,
I'm up there all the time.
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And that's really important to do that, to go do a request to speak,
to speak at school boards.
And when I talk to certain politicians, pretty much all of them who are doing
this kind of work to protect kids, one of the things that I hear is,
you know, people need to contact their representatives, other representatives,
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whether they're House representatives or the Senate, and they will feel empowered
to take seemingly unpopular actions if they feel like they have the backing
of the people behind them, the will of the people,
and that's what they're representing.
But so many of them are afraid to go against the grain, especially if they feel
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like they're in it alone.
So writing your representative and contacting them and showing up and showing
your support court will embolden them to change their minds because it's known to happen.
Exactly. Even in crazy California. I mean, we've stopped some bad bills because
people made phone calls and you can make these phone calls.
I mean, literally, I send out calls to action and I say, this will take you five minutes.
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And you can do it on a Sunday. You're just filling up their voicemail with your name.
I'm against this bill. You don't even need to have a full -blown discussion.
Because all the person on the other end of the phone does is put a little checkmark, against for.
And when the against gets really big, it makes them think about how they're
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going to vote on that bill. It's just a numbers game.
And so if you're not calling in and it's just no hash marks,
they're going to do what their party tells them to do.
Even the Republicans, especially here in California, I mean,
they're pretty spineless unless they have the backing of the people.
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They're just as nervous as everyone else. They need to see that their seat is
safe, that their people are.
Are interested in these safeguarding bills.
It matters to show up. And like I said, I was explaining earlier,
like when people show up in person to Sacramento, which is a slog,
like, look, it's cost me $125 every time I drive up there, just in gas.
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And it's a, you know, four hour, five hour round trip for two minutes.
That's all I get, two minutes.
I do that. And other Other people come up and they don't even get two minutes.
They get to say their name and I'm against this bill. And when they see all
the different colors of people coming up, shapes and sizes, backgrounds,
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I'm Democrat, I'm an independent, that matters.
Because if it's a whole bunch of sane looking people, they're like,
okay, they can throw me in a bucket.
I mean, I should probably dye my hair purple. Maybe I'll get a couple of piercings.
But it matters. I mean, these things actually matter and people don't realize
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how much their voice is needed. And look, we live in a republic.
We have a voice if we use it. Voting every two years, not cutting it,
folks. Because we're at a tipping point where we can go one way or another,
and the other is a really bad place.
We are careening towards the absolute destruction of family.
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We have a bill in California right now, which will mandate that teachers deceive
parents when their child is struggling with gender at school from TK,
four years old, all the way up through senior year, that they will be mandated
to keep this secret. This is California.
Everything we do, we pass it on.
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You will have it. The whole Title IX, we already had Title IX destroyed in our state years ago.
And so you have to be on the lookout in your states and just know that this
is coming your way where parents are cut out of their children's lives.
That's where we are in the United States. Your grandchildren,
your nieces and nephews, this affects everyone.
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So we need to get loud and we need to stop this now because we're running out of time.
You know, you briefly in that you hit on something that's.
Close to my heart, I think is an important issue. We are a republic.
And often we hear it said, you know, save our democracy. Our democracy is under fire.
While a democracy is a different form of government, we have maybe a representative
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democracy and that our leaders are democratically elected, but we are a constitutional republic.
And the difference between the two is in a democracy, it's mob rule.
If 51% say you lose a right, then you lose a right.
But with a constitutional republic, you have your inalienable rights enshrined.
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And we are seeing people's rights, women's rights, we're seeing very basic rights
eroding because of this cultural shift.
Some may even term it cultural Marxism. And so getting back to kind of something
that I was getting on before, this really is a top-down operation for people who don't know.
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We have individuals at the level of the World Economic Forum working at the
United Nations level and up going top-down saying, we're going to impress these
new regulations and they are required to happen.
And so companies and teachers unions and everybody's falling in suit.
That's where this is coming from. This is not an organic uprising of oppressed trans individuals.
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This is a mass indoctrination. That's true, but I think it's top-down and bottom-up,
because once they invaded the kindness space, the DEI, inclusion, acceptance.
Then you have the bottom actually coming up and saying these are civil rights issues.
And so it's brilliantly strategic.
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You have it coming from the top and the bottom. And then gobs of funding.
The funding is almost endless.
And each of us, I'm sure you're actually benefiting financially from some of
this and you don't even know it.
I mean, I just bought something on Macy's and they do a, will you donate to Trevor Project?
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Trevor Project is one of the biggest pushers of the trans agenda.
And almost every time I buy something now, it's round up for this LGBTQ group.
And it's always the T.
We all know it's the T, if you're smart enough, should I say.
The lesbian law group or whatever, that's all T.
But the way they're constantly getting funding, you own a Vanguard fund,
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you're funding this. You own any mutual funds. You're funding this.
We even have a transgender store now in my neighborhood.
And it's a really kid family friendly area.
And people don't know, like I walked into the store, there's a huge trans flag
and all the books are trans books.
My God, like just massive, massive.
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So they have the money, we have the people. Who wins on that?
Who wins on that one? I think we know that from the Revolutionary War.
Money people. People win. People win if they bring up their pitchforks. Right.
And I appreciate you correcting me in the sense that it is a more holistic picture to envision.
Yes, it's coming down. It makes me think of rain. It's coming down and then
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it's growing up then out of the soil.
Exactly. That's a good analogy. I love it. I'm going to steal it.
It's all yours. you helped me found it.
So one of the things that you have said in the past, which I think is really
so key to this war and the protection of children, is that, you know,
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when it comes to, for instance,
blue states, when it comes to environments where this is really being pushed
the most, we have to figure out how to squash these issues at those levels.
And I think to some degree, then that is what's going to give us the blueprint
in order to finalize the deal everywhere else.
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And California is a hotbed of this. So you can do it there. You can do it anywhere.
That's right. And that's what was really disappointing with our ballot initiative.
So we had put forth a ballot initiative that would have gotten males out of
girls sports, bathrooms, changing rooms, et cetera, at school. It would have stopped.
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Schools from having secret social transition plans and actually concretizing
their gender identity by giving out binders and packers and trans tape.
And then third, it would have stopped all the gender interventions on kids,
no puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones.
And we didn't get a lot of support from the institutions on the right because
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we were looked at as California's a lost And they didn't really calculate the
power of California and that had we been successful, what it would have done.
It would have changed the United States.
It would have ended this faster. We collected 400,000 signatures out of the
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550 that we needed on a budget of $200,000.
That's incredible. That's 50 cents a signature.
Signature that was a massive undertaking that
was a grassroots efforts both from the
left and the right my biggest donors were democrats and
we had grassroots i mean the republican women federated i mean they just rushed
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it churches i mean really the left and the right working together to collect
400 000 signatures and we really missed the first two months of collecting signatures
we could have have done this if we had a little bit of funding.
A million bucks would have done it. And so it's tragic to me that,
again, like California was given kind of the middle finger from some of the
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right-leaning groups as a lost cause,
which is short-sighted in that all these laws that are coming out, we did it first.
We did it first. So I know that Illinois did a ballot initiative. They failed.
Colorado right now is in the midst of there. So if your listeners want to go
to Protect Kids Colorado, if you're in Colorado, you can sign the ballot initiative.
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If you're not in Colorado, you can donate. And people from other states should
donate to the blue states because we need a win and we can get a win in Colorado.
And that's a cascade, right? Right. Washington, I think it's Washington State,
did a ballot initiative and then the Democrats took up the bill and that passed.
So blue states are savable, but we need to have people focused on them.
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And, you know, Floridians, Tennesseans, you know, those who are lucky enough
to be in safer states, donate to the blue states because we're not done with you.
California is going to advertise in your states about our, you know,
transgender interventions and your kids are going to run away here.
And we'll keep them because that's what we do in the state of California.
We keep them. They just need to get here. And then they're taken away from their parents.
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So none of these states with bans truly have bans because those kids can come
here. And so you have to knock out the blue states.
We've got 25 states now with bans. We need to concentrate on some blue states.
And if that's Pennsylvania, which is a little more purpley.
That's fine, too. But we need to start picking off these blue states and turning
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them back into states that believe in science,
the family, children's natural bodies, because it doesn't help to split our country into two parts.
The red states are safe for kids and the blue states aren't.
And like I said, the red states aren't even safe because their kid just needs to get here.
And their parent, one parent can take them to a blue state and then stay in
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that blue state. That's what our laws are now.
One parent gets to dictate the demise of a child's body, fertility, future. Wow.
Yes. You know, I'm glad that you brought up Colorado and what they're doing there.
One of our members, Rich Guggenheim, has been traveling extensively all throughout that state.
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It's interesting, he put some 2,000 miles on his car recently in the last several
weeks going and trying to get the protection of women's rights and these things,
these petitions signed.
You know, it makes me wonder what recourse do you have once a ballot initiative
or the petitioning fails?
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Is there an opportunity to petition?
A repetition or how does it need to be done different to go again?
Yes. And usually, too, at least in California, it takes a couple of tries before
you get a ballot initiative on the ballot because you have to build the momentum.
So you start, you got 400 signatures the first time, you're going to get 600
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the next time because you're building actually that army that I talked about
because you're educating along the way. So it's not a failure.
It's never a failure because we've educated now to 400,000 people.
And now we know the recipe because we know where to go and how to collect these signatures.
So everything's a learning process. So we'll go out again. Of course we will.
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I mean, we have to. We don't stop.
And we know how successful we are. I mean, this is the greatest part.
That ballot initiative made our legislature come out with this really horrible bill.
So they're afraid of us. Like that's a sign that what we're doing is affecting the left.
What we're doing is affecting the legislature.
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And that in and of itself is a win because we've been silent.
Most blue states have been just taking it and playing a defense game.
You cannot win playing defense.
You cannot just oppose bills. You got to start pushing legislation.
You said you're in Arizona. You guys have the first bill that will provide medical
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treatment for detransitioners. You took the offensive.
I mean, that's brilliant. That's what you have to do. You go out of the gate with offensive moves.
Think of a basketball game. If all you do is defend, you don't win the game.
So we have to be bolder and louder.
It's a game of chess. We got to make our moves too. And they matter.
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Gavin Newsom doesn't want to talk about anything in the ballot initiative. Why?
Because it hurts And the mainstream media, they reported on it.
We got free press on that. They had to report on that.
All these things, they matter, but I'm rooting for Colorado.
I'm really trying to plug Colorado, everything that we did here in California,
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getting Colorado on Megyn Kelly and Charlie Kirk and some of these big platforms,
which was really helpful to us. It really bumped up our numbers.
It's so important. I mean, really, everyone who's listening,
send in $100 to Protect Kids Colorado.
Do it right now. You're listening. Do it right now. Go online and send it in.
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You're saving one kid by that.
$100 worth it. It is. Absolutely. That's a powerful call to action.
People need to activate when they're thinking about it.
These issues are not going away just because you've turned off the radio or
this program's gone off.
You will make a lasting impact on the subject just by contributing,
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especially to these people, boots on the ground.
They're sacrificing their time and their personal money and their whole life
just to make use of this in an effective way to protect your kids,
your neighbor's kids, your grandkids, etc.
You know, I wish I knew as many people, I wish we had a more outspoken Democrat
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population in particular.
You have a, you know, a lot of them, you are involved with organizations,
like you said, which consists of 80% of that. We need people on both sides speaking
against this narrative.
And so no matter where you stand on the issue, I hope that you'll join those listening,
join the likes of Gays Against Rumors, join with Erin and the initiatives that
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she's taking up because everybody needs to work together to save a kid.
Because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what your leaning is.
Because I don't see any sort of discrimination personally in my life with people
who are different politically.
When it comes to these issues, we're instant kin.
We are. This is a battle to save America, to save the kids.
(41:16):
And after that, you know, live your own life, you know. And there's a group for everyone.
There is. You don't have to join Our Duty. You don't have to join Gays Against Groomers.
There's Democrats for an Informed Approach to Gender. So that's a Democrat-run group.
There's Women's Declaration of Independence. There's Wolf.
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There's the Republican groups. There's so many groups. Pick your group who you
feel most aligned with. Yeah.
Get at it. And we all talk together. We all work together.
I mean, there isn't a right group that I don't work with or a left group that
I don't work with because we all have the same, you know, same goal.
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Exactly. They're using the politics right now to keep us divided.
We're fighting amongst each other so they can rearrange society in the meanwhile,
take advantage of our scattered efforts.
And this is what we need to be doing is to working, working together with no
prejudices, and removing the stereotypes, keeping our eye on the prize.
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Do you have any initiatives coming up or that we're looking forward to that
you'd like to talk about or that you think maybe are good ideas that we should
start to take up in other places?
Well, I wrote a bunch of bills for California, and I wrote two for detransitioners,
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very similar to the one in Arizona.
And that I think should be enacted in every state because detransitioners have
no ability to get any type of medical treatment after they decide to.
Detransition and they're at a loss for finding doctors.
They don't get insurance coverage. And I think that's really,
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really important for them.
I also think detransitioner is a bill that would extend the statute of limitations
so that they can file those lawsuits.
We know that regret settles in around five to 10 years.
And so they've missed their opportunity to sue the doctors because this is going
to come really down to the Supreme Court and lawfare.
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So that's, those who are listening and have the ability to, and you don't have
to be a lawyer to write these bills.
You can just actually, you can email me and I'll give you my bill and you can
copy it and And then go to your policy people in your state and ask them to look at it.
And then, you know, I tried to have a bill that would put into law that it is
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not child abuse, not to transition your child.
We need that bill. We need that bill in states.
There's another one that would have gotten passed.
And notice, I mean, this is so simple. Notice. Notify the parents that your
child going on that overnight trip in eighth grade or seventh grade might be
housed with somebody of a different sex.
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Just notify them. I'll tell you, a lot of parents won't send their kids on those
trips. It's just notification. It's not discrimination.
It's just let those parents know. No, you might have a male body,
you know, both with the counselor.
So you might have a male adult in the room with girls, females,
and you might have a young boy in there.
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You know, these are simple bills that people can push out.
And, you know, you lobby, you go talk to your lawmaker and say,
take up this bill, take up this bill.
Foreign age verification is a huge bill. And that is passing in the red states.
And it's, I believe, passing in the state of California now.
And for those listeners who don't know, a lot of these kids take on their trans
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identity because they have been exposed to some really horrific pornography or any pornography.
When a 10-year-old is watching porn, they don't quite understand this.
Actors, that they're actors and that this isn't normal. It's not normal to choke a woman.
A lot of the males will get into sissy porn and then they'll think they're transgender
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because they get turned on by a man pretending he's a woman.
So the porn age verification bills actually are also really important to pass.
So people can look at other states. Louisiana passed one. I think 10 other states are passing.
These protect our kids, and anyone can propose it to their lawmaker.
I'd like this, and bring 20 people, bring 30 people, and this is the bill we
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want. And it's shocking.
I was tickled. Two of our bills got taken up. I'm nobody.
I'm just a mom. Well, you may think you started as a nobody,
but you've definitely made yourself into a somebody.
You made a name for yourself because you got up and you did something.
And that's more than 95% of us are doing right now.
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And it's just a testament to just trying. You know, the terrible thing here
is we've got the stereotyping, the slandering of parents,
you know, in a roundabout way when we say that we can't trust the parents with
information about their child.
And this is happening you know really anybody
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as you were saying who's in defiance of these things that's happening
to the gays us in particular gays against groomers or
any gay who is you know saying the
same thing you know they're saying hey gay kids need
gay porn in schools they need cartoon pornography
and they justify it all these are just you know little odds and ends of the
the story part of the life experience lived experience and it is sexualizing
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kids by the time they're 18 you know it used to be like you didn't have much exposure to sexuality.
You know, until your late, late teens, maybe, or at least maybe into adulthood,
you know, back in the day.
And I understand that the world is just not so, you know, you're of heart anymore,
but you're coming up into 18 and you already know more about kink and fetish
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than many adults know right now or have lived an entire life.
And there's nothing necessary about that. And it's quite slanderous to suggest
that the gays need that and that the parents can't.
It's an insult. So I fought for a bill that a Republican put up that would have
gotten pornography out of school, eighth grade and below.
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And I brought in a bunch of books as examples of what they're teaching these kids.
And there was a book that told kids how to get on Grindr.
It had definitions of glory hole, scat, eating poop.
What an insult to the gay community. The woman who was, you know,
opposing it said, oh, well, you're homophobic.
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These are, you know, this is a book about gay kids.
And I'm like, that's so insulting. So gay kids eat poop.
Gay kids have random sex in parks.
Like what an insult to that group of humans.
They don't need that. You know, they do things. I mean, it's just so, It's just so nefarious.
In the kink chapter, they put a black woman and all these in cartoons,
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of course, they throw a heavyset black woman into the picture.
So now I'm a racist, a bigot, a fat shamer. I mean, it's like a joke.
You're a gay man. I mean, did you need pornography to figure out that you're
a gay man and feel comfortable in your skin?
No, of course you didn't. No child needs that. Oh, I need to see what I need to do.
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No, you don't. It's just a trick to basically sexualize our children while calling
us bigots and homophobes.
And that's why I love Gays Against Groomers too, because you know,
you give me some cover, right?
Because I'm not gay. And so, you know, if I have someone there for Gays Against
Groomers, well, they can't really call them homophobic.
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But yeah, there's nothing necessary to teach kids about kink and BDSM.
It doesn't help these children.
It hurts these children. And of course, it's all designed to make a child more
susceptible to having that type of sexual experience as a young kid. That's what it's for.
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Let's just call it what it is. It's to not to educate kids.
It's to make them more available to the sickos that are out there.
And there's a lot of them. Some might even call it grooming.
Shocking. They don't like that term. Of course, it's grooming.
I mean, there's a huge connection with the transgender movement and pedophilia
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and destruction of family.
You brought up Marxism. I mean, it's just this cabal of really deviant, a deviant goal.
You know, trans pornography is one of the top viewed pornography.
I mean, we've gotten so absolutely foul where we have humans now with both genitalia. It's like Legos.
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And we're calling that normal.
I mean, you talked about wanting to castrate yourself. We have humans that are being castrated.
We have girls that are being made into like what would look like a Wetsy Betsy or a Barbie doll front.
Removal of everything except a way to urinate. This is dehumanizing.
This is ruining humanity.
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We are objectifying the human body in every way.
We've become a very materialistic society. We've become and in this objectification,
you know, it used to be don't objectify a woman.
Don't look at her as a sex object.
And yet now we're doing that to ourselves where there's a race to the bottom
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to see how quickly we can create this idealized form of some queer identity.
And we're starting to turn into monsters some people are coming out a lot of trans activists.
You know they're they're dressing like they're
not even in the human species i mean
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aside of furries you know and inside of even the drag queens you know who come
out looking like the devil you know during drag queen story hour you know people
are just like i'm i'm non-binary so i'm you know this and that and it's like
this is like undermining your humanity i i went to a protest in Wisconsin,
and there was a woman there who was morbidly obese, and she had no nipples.
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And it was a celebration for her to take her shirt off and show what she had
done to her body that no longer looked like, it didn't look like a male chest,
it didn't look like a female chest, it looked like a no chest.
And celebrating that, I think there was something on X where there was a young
woman who was dancing at Pride.
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And, you know, she's basically doing a striptease and then like the reveal of her scars.
And I'm like, we're celebrating removing healthy body parts.
And adding one. It's like we're Legos. This is just a meat suit.
It's separate from ourselves. We're one unit. And it's insane to me.
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It's just absolutely insane.
And people clapped. There was a woman who got up in Sacramento.
It became the first trans sanctuary city. We need more of these.
And she said, I just got my top surgery. And everybody clapped. That's awesome.
You just took off parts of your body. Yay.
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Hey, I cut off four fingers. Woo.
Cheers. Like that's where we are. That is where we're at.
And unfortunately, for all of the people who make it into adulthood and still
think it's a good idea and still want to pursue that, you know,
hey, you know, we might disagree with it.
But, OK, you're an adult. Well, now you're capable of living with the consequences
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of your decision, however terrible they might actually be and what you may discover later.
But kids don't have the same advantage of, you know, getting that far and then
realizing they made a mistake when they're bombarded with these influences and
then shepherded down that direction.
Yeah, I'm going to I differ slightly on that because I don't think I don't think
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adults should be doing this. certainly not under the age of 25.
We know the majority of the detransitioners did this after the age of 18 because
parents can stop the child up until age 18.
And the same issues for the under 18 are with the over 18.
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So predominantly gay kids, predominantly autistic kids are doing this to themselves.
So there's no gatekeeping.
People who have schizophrenia, other acute mental health issues are doing this
over 18 and there's no stopping them because they get affirmed.
And so working in the parent space, there is nothing more terrifying to the
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parents in our group than that 18th birthday around the corner.
Because 18, let's be serious, 18, we made some really dumb decisions.
I mean, me personally, for sure. We know that the maturation of the brain doesn't
really occur until age 25, 23 to 25.
And if you're autistic, it's 27 to 30.
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And so you're making these lifelong decisions where you still don't have the
capacity to understand the long term consequences of this.
And so I really caution anyone making these decisions before the age of And
certainly anyone making these decisions without getting their mental health
really addressed and in check.
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Look, I'm a pragmatic person. We're not putting the horse back in the barn.
Some people are going to do this. But the vast majority of regretters, too, did it over 18.
Same problems as the younger kids.
No consent, no understanding that their fertility, no ability to comprehend
that they're not going to have sexual experiences anymore, that they're going
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to have atrophy of their genitals, that they're going to live with pain.
I mean, you talk to the detransitioners, they have mystery pain.
Nobody knows how to fix it. Bone pain, constant pain, urination,
when they're just walking.
I mean, this stuff doesn't get talked about. out.
One of the best podcasts I listened to was Karina Cohen.
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I guess he goes now by Corey, Corey Conan with Wesley Yang.
And he talks a lot about the regret and the gaslighting yourself that this is going to help you.
Changing your exterior body rarely helps your mental health, really doesn't. Right.
As they say, such a permanent solution for a temporary problem,
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something most people grow out of.
And personally, I 100% agree with you.
I don't personally know we as an organization, I don't feel any child is born in the wrong body.
Our mission is up until you're an adult.
And after that, it's out of our purview. But I'm right there with you.
I don't think that most anybody in a healthy mental state will see that this
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is going to be beneficial in any way.
Actually, the former Arizona State Chapter lead, which I'm the Arizona State
Chapter lead, he or was a she, Amy, became Matt at 25.
And now at the age of 32, Matt's in a year-long detransition stage going back
into Amy is now socially transitioned into that.
That was a decision that was made at the age of 25.
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So this is definitely and everybody's vulnerable, especially younger than that.
We're out of time. Would you care to share your social media,
website, anywhere else you'd like people to connect with you?
Sure. You can go to ourduty.group.com.
Is how you can get in touch with me. And I actually have to look up my Twitter handle.
(57:16):
We are on Instagram too, R-Duty.
And my DirectX account is at ErinFriday75490.
Sorry, I had to look it up because I got kicked off of Twitter a while back.
It's your new account. I'm sure you know how that goes.
But yeah, follow me. And if you get in touch with me through R-Duty,
(57:41):
then I could put you on calls to action.
And these are one-way emails.
They only come from me. There's no like chit-chat on them.
And it tells you, especially if you're in the state of California,
these are the numbers to call. This is what to say. Take you five minutes.
So get on my list. Let's get this done.
Our kids are counting on us and we can right this ship. I'm positive this is
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going to end. Let's just end it really fast.
Absolutely. Well, thank you for all the work you're doing. I hope you will come
back on to the show and continue to keep us updated about the things you're working on.
For our listeners, please visit gazeagainstgroomers.com to learn more about our organization.
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Follow us on Twitter. We're on Twitter. You just said type in Gaze Against Groomers
because the username is a little bit funny against groomers the way it's spelled
out. We're on Instagram.
And if you have any questions, comments, or you want to suggest a guest for
the show, please email podcast at gays against groomers.com.
That'll get to me and others and we will make something happen.
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So thank you for joining us and we will see you next week.
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