March 19, 2024 • 53 mins
In this riveting episode of 'The Dark Side of the Rainbow', we discuss the 'trans agenda' and its effects on children. Our special guest, Elena Barbera, an activist and mother, shares her inherent fears about the hyper-sexualization of children, the debate on gender transition, and the manipulation in media portrayals.
Through powerful discussions, we delve into suppressed societal issues and the increasing sense of disquiet about the future of the country's moral compass. Highlighting the importance of civil discourse and debate, this episode serves as a call for an informed, intelligent conversation to bridge the polarized divide.
The episode also explores the large concerns about school curriculums providing mature and explicit content to young learners. By focusing on the urgency of protecting children's innocence, the conversation addresses whether efforts should be focused more on homeschooling or reforming public education.
We conclude with a sobering look at a worrisome trend within the education system and encourage listeners to take proactive steps in safeguarding children's innocence. Discussing the harmful narratives of sexualization and the impactful ways to combat such disruptions to our children's lives, this episode serves as a rallying cry against complacency.
Join us in this crucial conversation, as we seek to protect our children, maintain their innocence, and guard their mental health against predatory sexualization and ideologies.
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Welcome to the Dark Side of the Rainbow. I'm your host, Robert Wallace,
and this is a Gaze Against Groomers production.
Today, I had the pleasure of interviewing Elena Barbera. She's also known as
The Based Mother online.
You may have seen her podcast content and the other show that she did with her son, Sonny.
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And in this discussion we talk about all things related to the trans agenda
of grooming for children and all forms of sexual inappropriateness surrounding the matter at hand.
So let's get on with the interview.
All right and welcome to the dark side of the rainbow.
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I'm Robert Wallace and And I'm here with Elena Barbera, also known as The Based Mother online.
How are you doing, Elena? I'm great. Thanks for having me, Robert.
Well, thanks for being had.
We're going to have a fun little discussion about some of the videos that you've
made, some of your activism, and your perspectives as a mother on the current set of issues.
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So you and your son, Sonny, did a podcast.
And it was very successful. And you guys reviewed a lot of stories and a lot
of reaction videos, that sort of thing.
Did you see, was there anything in particular that you saw while you were doing
that, that led you on to the path that you're on right now?
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Getting into getting into those videos with him and they were reaction videos
where he would show me something online and then he and I would talk about it
and have this, you know, mother son conversation.
And, you know, what I what I started to see was parts of the culture that I
didn't know existed because, you know, he was 18 when we started doing that, maybe even 17.
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And, you know, I was seeing things that I wouldn't have otherwise been exposed
to, you know, kids watch other stuff. And I started to see that there was a
lot around, you know, this transing of our youth.
And, you know, I was kind of paying attention to politics and I was getting
more and more and more into it and the culture, especially during the pandemic
when we had a lot more time.
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I didn't spend time on Netflix. I spent time on the news and paying attention.
And I started to see the mainstream media saying there were all these book bans
and censorship going on. And, you know, obviously I'm, I am all for free speech
and I am not, you know, pro censorship.
So during that time with Sunny, you know, we, we started seeing clips from what
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is a woman and, you know, seeing the culture, you know, in the Supreme Court
when she couldn't define what a woman was,
you know, when they were, you know, during the Supreme Court hearings asked
what is a woman and all of these things that went on.
And I just got deeper and deeper and went down this rabbit hole.
And man, the things that I found that are going on in our schools that are grooming
them, not only to be trans, but to be sexually abused, right?
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Starting in pre-K just blew my mind.
Yeah, it's amazing what is coming to the surface for everyday people to see.
We have epidemic of the sexualizing of children, hyper-sexualizing of children.
And that's just like surface level, because like what you were talking about,
there's homework assignments and books that they're being given.
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So what do you think is the future for the next 20, 40 years of this current
generation? What is this going to evolve into?
Okay. Well, grooming, that's happening where we're talking about children being
born in the wrong body, where we're showing young children pornography,
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talking to them about overtly sexual content. That can go a lot of different ways.
It could lead them to tethering themselves to the medical industrial complex
through chemical and surgical sex change, which isn't actually ever really possible anyway.
It can lead them to the point of being sexually abused by abusing each other.
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And also they start seeing at a very young age, seeing everybody as a sexual object.
So they abuse each other. They're more likely they're primed and ready to be
abused by, you know, creeps in their family or their neighborhood.
And it is another road that happens when children are over-sexualized.
You know, it, it, it makes it so much easier for predator who wants to sex traffic
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them because they're primed and ready to go.
So there's a lot of dark paths that children can end up taking that just leads to trauma.
And we know that trauma leads to drug abuse and alcoholism and suicide attempts
and poverty and even heart disease and cancer.
Like it's crazy when you look at the long-term studies of children who were
sexually abused, how they end up, you know, growing into adults who need so
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much work just to get back to able to function in society.
Yeah. So yeah, 20, 30, 40 years, we're going to have a massive population of
children who are just whacked out of their minds and don't even know how to get through the day.
And in public schools, we've got at any given time, 50 million children.
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And we're setting them on all of those different paths every day,
all 50 million of them. What is that going to look like?
I don't even think we can really imagine how bad it's going to be.
Right it's just going to like grow what's the word i want to use by bigger you know explode.
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Yeah just just like a destroy like a mushroom cloud i mean we can and it sounds
like i'm exaggerating but i'm not i mean we're talking about 50 million kids
all of them being taught about you know to focus on their sex and their genitals
more than anything that's what we're doing? It's bonkers.
Yeah, it is. You mentioned something very interesting that it's not even possible
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for these people to transition into the other gender.
And I, you know, I just was talking to Dr. Atom Haim recently,
who made the same point that how can the kids give consent, informed consent
if the thing that they're consenting to isn't even possible?
Yeah. It's criminal what's happening to these children.
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And I think the last number I heard was we're looking at the transgender medical
industry is somewhere around $4 billion a year in revenue.
That's what I heard. It could be a little higher by now.
To me, it all just feels like a money grab.
And we have states like Maine that are trying to make it illegal to sue a doctor
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for malpractice if they do this to a child.
So that's a bill that's in play in Maine right now. So they know that the lawsuits
are coming and they're trying to set up the law to protect themselves from it
already because they know that what they're doing is unfounded in science and it's unethical,
but it's making a lot of people a lot of money.
Yeah. And by the way, I remember that word that was going after, exponential.
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Exponential development. Because we're here in a couple of years,
everybody's going to be comfy as a toaster And then what do you transition to after that?
Yes. But people like you, organizations like Gays Against Groomers,
you know, you're out there like going into the state houses,
protesting, sharing the knowledge, spreading the word.
And that's, you know, that's what I want to do. I just want to like,
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I'm the frying pan that wants to like hit everybody in America over the head
with the knowledge and say, wake up, wake up.
This isn't just something that you saw on TV that's happening somewhere else.
This is happening in your town.
Yeah. Yeah. What do you think is the end goal? Who do you think is really behind this?
Because it's not an organic thing that's just coming up. Society just needs
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to express its transism.
It's a lot of influences.
It just seems to me it sounds so conspiracy theorist-ish even coming out of
my mouth, but it seems like they're just trying to make pedophilia okay.
Because we hear more and more about how now pedophiles don't like being called
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pedophiles because it has a negative connotation.
So we should call them minor attractive persons.
And, you know, they're saying pedophilia is just another sexual orientation
that we should accept. You know, sure, we should try to stop them from harming children.
But this is the slope that we're on. First, we call them something nice,
then we accept them and so on. So I really think that that's what where we're at.
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We even hear cases of where sometimes statutory, you know, sometimes,
sometimes, excuse me, sexual abuse of a child, even as little as seven or eight
years old, sometimes the child will consent to it. So it really wasn't abuse.
These are the things that we're hearing floating around. And that's the end
goal, I think. Why hasn't the Epstein list come out yet?
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Well, because it's not acceptable enough yet. But as soon as they think they
can convince us to accept pedophilia, which they're out of their minds,
it's never happening, then they'll all be off the hook for all the horrible things they've done,
So is that a little too down the rabbit hole? I don't know. No, that's just, yeah.
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That's just starting at the surface for me, at least.
What's your rabbit hole? I want to know. I've got a lot of rabbit holes and
there's a whole colony where they all converge underground, these rabbits.
Yeah, because if you do follow the paper trail, if you pay attention to what's
happening and you get a big picture view, view, you'll understand when things
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like this kind of start, you know, popping up out of nowhere,
you know, what purpose could it possibly serve?
We've heard people at the World Economic Forum, actually, they've got a whole
division that runs this and their job is down the line to make sure like the
whole DEI and this whole thing is implemented everywhere.
And they're really trying to push for the equality of the LGBTQIA.
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So you know they have their their plot
for a new world order so there's a
rabbit hole yes and it and it maybe it's also part of the depopulation scheme
yeah because you know the more of us that are sterilized and just neutralized
and you know they kill our instincts to be fathers to be mothers and they teach
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us that being fathers and mothers is an outdated concept and you shouldn't and be doing that.
I mean, you know, they achieve that. I still can't wrap my head around why they want to do it.
Ultimately, what the why is, like, I'm just not warped enough.
And if I ever do get to the why, you know, I'm sure it'll be sickening.
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Yeah. You know, I think you were kind of getting at it when you were talking
about the undermining basically of our moral fabric,
because one of the the things that I'm thinking about is the broad effect that
all of these things in terms of cultural Marxism is having on the wussification
of our country and any number of ways you want to look at it,
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we are having our traditional values and our strengths undermined.
Yes. Yeah, we absolutely are. I mean, the wussification of our country,
the feminization of our men, the masculinization of our women.
They just want us all to just be this weird, neutral, unnatural thing.
But you know what? Here's where I find hope because at the end of it,
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I don't care how hard they try.
You cannot change human nature.
We are who we are and we will be who we will be. We may be going through this
freakish, weird phase right now.
But human nature always wins out. And the desire to do what's natural and be
free will always, always come out.
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I mean, maybe it'll take a little time, but I think we have to,
things have to get a little worse before Americans fully wake up, unfortunately.
More damage has to be done first. But we're going to be all right in the long run.
Yes, optimistically. You know, I think we were talking before we started recording,
and one of the things that that we were kind of talking about is what got us
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into the fight in a certain way, what got us involved.
And I think that it's having a very boomerang ish effect for these people because
it's waking more people up than it's convincing in their direction. Something is a fight.
Absolutely. People are tired of it. People are tired of watching,
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you know, know, mostly naked adults like shake their thing for children.
You know, anybody who is even a little bit sane is saying absolutely not.
And it can feel overwhelming and they can make people, the people who want to
protect children feel like they're in the minority, but they truly aren't. They're just so quiet.
They're all just sitting there at home protecting their children.
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And this minority of people who want to sexualize kids, they're actually pretty small.
They're that if once the rest of us all stand up at the same time,
it's going to get weird for the other team very fast.
They're going to get very quiet very fast when they realize how outnumbered they are.
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Yeah. I'm hoping it doesn't come to civil war on our local streets because everybody's
been led down their paths through their media bubbles.
But if we don't have our conversations about.
Our country, you know, the, you know, what we have in common,
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their philosophical beliefs on things, you know, it used to be like,
oh, you don't talk about, you know, religion and politics at the dinner table.
But then, you know, when you think about God and country, when you think about,
you know, what is your moral basis and what about your patriotism,
you know, what about the country, you know?
And so since that's really what seems to be like under attack,
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it's like, Like, this is almost like it's a distraction, but it's an important
thing that, you know, they got us on because it really does mess up a person
from the inside out to grow up in this environment. If we don't talk about it.
Can you even imagine growing up in this environment? And, you know,
you hit on something with saying that we were taught not to talk about religion
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and politics at the dinner table, in the boardroom or anywhere.
And you know what? Whoever came up with that one is a genius because they planted
a seed that ruined American society.
Americans should be involved and we should be having important,
intelligent, informed conversations with each other about politics and about what's going on.
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And we should be talking about God and religion, even if we disagree.
But what it's come to now is that we're so unpracticed in having those conversations
conversations that everyone is just so emotionally charged and they can't even
have the conversations anymore.
And it did a great job of dividing us by having us all say, oh no,
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we won't talk about that because we don't want to offend anybody or ruffle any feathers.
We wouldn't be ruffling feathers if we had the conversations all the time and
we knew how to do them civilly, but we don't. And it was great.
And now we are divided and we know what happens. Divided we fall.
So man, Man, that is, I always say, man, that was some evil genius stuff, whoever said that.
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Yeah. We're not equipped for the conversations. And so when we get offensive
and it gets emotionally charged, like what you're saying, because we can't defend ourselves.
We don't know the right words. We don't know the facts we should know.
The other thing is, you know, we're actually a constitutional republic.
We're not a democracy. And that's the other thing is we've got the subversion of speech there too.
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By saying that we're one step closer to socialism. So it's like these issues are really being used,
you know, whether it's like the social justice issues around race or around
the gays or trans or whatever, it's being used in order to create a sort of
division and a, and a blind from what's actually happening.
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Happening? Look at what's happened over the past, let's say,
I don't know, six, five, six, seven years.
We had the, we had the Me Too movement.
Oh, that was all the rage. And then we had the Black Lives Matter movement,
all the rage, both of them dead in the water, right?
Then, you know, we had, you know, people fighting over vaccines and masks.
Then, you know, now we're fighting over trans things. Now we're fighting over,
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you know, Palestine and Israel.
And we're fighting over, you know, you know, with a protest in the street,
people gluing themselves to the the street and closing down bridges and tunnels.
It's just they just do the same thing over and over and over and just dress
it up in a different banner.
And people just buy into it.
How did we get to just be such emotional creatures with no intellectual rigor.
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Let's say, to look into both sides of an issue?
Everyone's just out there screaming. And so what we have to do as people people
who want to make a difference is try to cut through that noise and not just
be more noise, you know, try to one by one.
It's, it's kind of like as a Christian, like discipling, like you kind of just
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have to like have small conversations and plant little seeds here and there
and hope that people will say, tell me more,
you know, tell them something bad about when you know all these things about
what's going on with children and how dangerous these chemicals are that they're
giving them for puberty blockers and how untested it all is.
You know, you want to tell them everything, but you just give them something to chew on.
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Maybe they'll come back for more. And we have to find a way to do that,
but do it fast also, because these children are being harmed at a rate that we can't keep up with.
Yeah. And, you know, that's the one advantage that you have that Gays Against
Screamers has with social online video content media.
We can immediately show people things that they would not believe.
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And I've told people things, they're like, oh, that's not happening.
And then you show it to them and they're like, and I say, now,
is that okay? Is that drag show okay?
Is this, you know, this cartoon pornography in the book okay?
No, no, I wouldn't say this is okay. I wouldn't say this. I'm like,
well, this is happening all over the place.
And so in that way, we can really have like a really quick effect with the evidence.
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But yeah, in conversations, it's like you just got to drop little crumbs.
Right, right. Even though there's so much, I just want to like tie people to
a chair and like put them in a movie theater and show them all of it.
Yeah, me too. I've got the documentaries lined up for that. Yeah.
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A little popcorn in their mouth. Yeah. So have you experienced a lot of pushback normally?
And when people talk about the issues around the trans gay ideology,
you get a lot of diverse opinions.
What are some of the things that you've heard that make you think,
I don't know how much hope there is, or I don't know how far gone people are
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if I have to explain this or that to them?
Some, you know, so I was talking, what started my journey with making this film
was, you know, really just getting all the information and having it come at
me and just being angry about it.
And then last summer, I was sitting around the Sunday dinner table with about a dozen family members.
And one of my family members has worked with children, I mean,
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defending children for, you know, decades, probably 35 years.
And when I started to tell her about what's going on in the schools and the
pornography, and she said, that is not happening.
And I said, okay, it is. And let me tell you more. And I started telling her
and literally got pushback.
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And she said to me, I consider myself to be a well-informed person.
And I'm telling you, like, I would have heard about this if it was happening,
that the pornography in the schools and about the trans books in pre-K and all that.
And I felt so frustrated that somebody who works with children was shutting me down.
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And another cousin of mine across the table started pulling things up on Google
and being like, no, here it is.
Here it is in Oregon and Tennessee and Montana and Texas and pulling actual
news stories up about validating what I was saying.
So for me that that frustration of just
an obstinance and a refusal to look
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at facts and then you know and she was also making some comments implying that
i was bigoted against trans people and big and i'm like listen you're you're
missing the whole boat here i was born and raised in brooklyn i was in manhattan
all the time i saw more what we called then transvestites than the average,
you know, American did, you know, as a child, just because they were just around in New York.
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You go into the village and that's where everybody hung out.
So, like, I never thought anything of it until they went after the kids.
And that's when it became a problem in my life.
So, you know, that being called a bigot and being called a hater is frustrating.
Having my Christianity thrown in my face is frustrating.
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Just the refusal to look at facts. But I had a little ray of light on Twitter last week.
Somebody came at me, somebody with like all the flags in their bio,
you know, all the pastel flags and all the trends, whatever. whatever.
And he really came at me, you know, called me just a crazy bigot and all this,
and said, my film was full of lies. And I said, I can tell you haven't seen it.
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And they said, well, why would I ever watch that? You know, you're nonsense.
You don't even do research. I said, okay, look, I, you know,
do some, you know, do a little, do a little investigation, watch it.
It's 36 minutes and then get back to me and tell me if
I didn't do any research and that person
did and came back and said i and
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i couldn't believe it came back and said i didn't realize
how bad it had gotten and i thought wow that was a i mean that was a really
encouraging little exchange that i had there yeah man yeah i've experienced
so many breakthroughs like that but by the way let's talk about your film by
name that's american groomer.
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American Groomers the children are not okay the kids are not okay could you
correct me if I got that wrong?
Yeah it's called American Groomer and the tagline is the kids are not alright.
Okay. And I've watched it a couple times actually even though I don't have the
title fresh in my mind and it was a really well made documentary and I encourage
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people to go watch it. What's the web address for that?
AmericanGroomer.com? No it's AmericanGroomerFilm.com AmericanGroomerFilm.com.
And it's a free documentary, mini documentary on the subject.
Yeah, it was fun. I mean, I, I just, I, it just came to me like a ton of bricks
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that I had to make this film.
And I started digging into the research and started making some calls and wanted
to talk to some experts and people who were really fighting this on the front line.
And that's how I got connected with Gays Against Rumors. Cause I reached out
to Jamie Michelle, the president of the organization and she and Sasha and Chris
got, got on a zoom with me.
We met and they said, yeah, let's do this. We'll, we'll be in your film.
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And I, I met them in New York at the New York fundraiser back in September.
And we did some filming at the fundraiser. And then we interviewed them the
next morning at our hotel.
And they were such great contributors to the film with their knowledge.
And I just, just the fight and how, and even since then, like Gays Against Groomers
has grown like twice as, twice as large.
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And I'm so excited that, you know, to, to have I've had them,
but all this stuff, you know, I did all the research.
I had American principles projects in the film and that child and parental rights campaign.
And I did street interviews and I say all this, what I'm about to say,
because, you know, I did this. I'd never, I've never made a film before.
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I didn't have any funders. It was me and my cameraman and my editor,
and he volunteered and I paid for the whole film, all the travel and did everything.
Everything and I say that not because I'm so great
but just to tell everybody like you can make a difference you can take what
little you have and get it done now this does not look like this is not an HBO
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quality film but I've gotten a lot of really good feedback on it you know and
for somebody that has never made a film before because I know the reach the research is solid.
I had great interviews with people. I just figured it out because nothing,
once I really learned the truth, I was like, nothing is more important than
getting this out there and protecting these 50 million kids that are in schools.
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And not that it's not happening in private schools, but it is just,
I say 50 million to just focus on the public.
Yeah, yeah. Well, hopefully everybody will go to americangroomerfilm.com and watch that.
Post Haste, it's an amazing film. and yes
jamie and sasha and chris were in that
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they did a great job also so yeah i
can back to what you're saying i can testify the power of a documentary
is so important for my spouse for instance
a lot of things have been going through i'm like i've been telling you about this
forever we watch a documentary it's like well why couldn't he have just shown
this to me to begin with i said because we were in the middle of it happening
the documentary is after you know But you want to get up over on this information
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so that you can interpret the moment correctly.
Yeah. And it could have been 10 hours long with the amount of information I came across.
But the things I learned are stomach churning.
Like in 39 states here in America, it is legal to show children pornography
in schools and libraries, no matter how bad the pornography,
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no matter how young the child.
If you show that same stuff to a child on the other side of the threshold,
you will leave in handcuffs.
So it's harmful to children on one side of the threshold, but in schools, it's okay.
How did those laws get passed? I talk about, I talk a little bit about that
in the film and how we came to that.
And there was really no solid explanation for it.
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And certain states like New Jersey don't, they don't have that law in place,
but they're fighting to get it put in place because they want to protect a teacher's
right to show pornography to little kids.
What's going on? Why? With all the problems we have in this country,
that's what our legislatures are focusing on, putting pornography in front of children.
It's coming around right from the White House. It's bonkers.
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I mean, I can't say enough what a big fight this is. I'm so glad you guys are
in it because you're out there fighting.
And I'm now getting involved with an organization called Take Back the Classroom.
So I'm going to be getting more active in addition to just being you know,
somebody that's just trying to give people the facts.
Do you think we need to spend more time as individuals, as parents,
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homeschooling our kids or an equal amount of time or most of our time reforming
the public school system?
I have a little bit of an extreme opinion on this. I think we should yank our
children from these institutions and let them crumble to the ground and then
rebuild them because they're so corrupt.
We have the American Library Association and most of our libraries,
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they are actively very and proudly pushing this agenda on our children.
We have the teachers unions also actively and proudly pushing the agenda.
Again, it's coming from city councils in a lot of cities, school boards,
again, right down from the White House.
The Human Rights Campaign has materials in schools in all 50 states.
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They've got lists and lists of books about how to be transgender for pre-K up through 12.
So it's so insidious that you can't send your kid there eight hours a day and
then come home and spend an hour with your kid at dinner and think that you
can undo the damage that was done in eight.
You can't, we got to get the kids out, let it fall apart and then rebuild it
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if we want it at that point.
But homeschooling actually, the more I learn about it, those kids are thriving.
They're doing well. It takes two to three hours a day to homeschool.
And then you just get to live your life with your kid.
If you can, if you're blessed enough to be able to make the sacrifices to afford to do that.
I didn't do that. My son is 20 now, but if we
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were in that situation that's what i'd be doing yeah absolutely
yep nowadays it's too corrupted and they're
teaching they won't even let the teachers graduate unless they've kind of like
sworn their oath to the social justice warrior mentality and then we have all
the controversy around all the politicians who somehow inexplicably find their
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way into offices where no No one in the town seems to like them.
And then they happen to be the one who wants to push the whatever initiative,
you know, the smart city initiative or the globalist plot all the way down.
And you got the doctors and everybody saying, hey, we have to affirm,
you know, everybody's gender.
So it's kind of like, you know, everybody's been infiltrated so many levels
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up above even what we're dealing with.
And we got to get back to like putting our focus on like, why is this happening?
Like, what are they trying to accomplish?
And we touched on that. So, but we got to get involved, right?
We got to get involved in whatever way, like you're doing your activism.
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You're spreading the word out here.
Everybody's got something they can do. And if we don't all partake,
you know, we, we're going to be like a silent majority of people who,
who remain silent during the ugliest of times.
Yeah. And, you know, like people don't realize they can start,
they can pick different ways to get involved.
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Like, okay, you can have, invite 10 other parents over to come over to your house and watch my film.
Go listen to, you know, share Gays Against Rumors podcasts.
Go to a Gays Against Rumors event and, or support them.
Find an organization like Take Back the Classroom and become their volunteer
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army of parents who are actively getting the porn taken out of schools.
You could probably add to that list. There are small and bigger ways.
Run for school board, run for a city council seat.
Those are more time-invested investments, but it's very simple to just get started. started.
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What would you add? Would you add anything to that off the cuff list that I just threw out there?
The only thing I would add is anything you can imagine that you think you could
bring to the table. Something that's not being done.
Something that, oh, I don't want to do that because nobody's doing it that way.
Maybe you need to start doing it that way.
I know I myself got got into this whole thing just because of seeing it happening.
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It was like automatic magnetic effect for me that if this is happening,
I have like a de facto responsibility to be on it, but there's no way it's happening and it is happening.
And so it kind of cleared my schedule for me and wrote the script for me and
guided what needed to be done just because it's like, in what universe are we
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not doing something about this? I can't believe it's happening.
So and i know that's how you got activated you just saw it was like a legitimate issue and then,
Gotta do something. Yeah. And,
you know, tonight I'm having a friendly conversation with you and smiling.
But, you know, sometimes I get like flipping table mad.
Like, how is it that we are in a fight to just protect children's innocence?
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Like, this isn't normal. This is insanity. This is, you know,
where like I get all, you know, Jesus.
And I'm like, are we in a, this is the battle of good versus evil.
You know, not everybody resonates with that message. But like,
that's how, like, that's where I'm at.
Cause it can't be anything but just pure evil to, to take away kids innocence
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and, and want to hurt them.
I don't understand. I don't understand.
And yeah, I get crazy when I, you know, when I think about it,
I need to, I think it comes down to like,
if you don't have anything to live for, if you
don't have something bigger bigger than your identity than
your appearances then you're going
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to keep falling back on you know
these popular movements or you know
social justice causes where you can be a victim where you
can be the hero and the victim where you can
fight back and be the underdog who
is eventually supported by the government
who was supposed to be the one keeping you down or something
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i don't know it gets convoluted at the end so we don't ask questions but
sorry to laugh but you're
so right it's so absurd but it is it
is comical and you know it's good to laugh about
it even though it's really harmful yeah it's
it's an unfortunate world of contradictions that we're in right now and so something
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you were touching on earlier you know we see that the acceptance of the lgbtqia
and all of its various forms is leading generally towards a normalization and
an acceptance of the maps,
the minor attracted people, aka the pedophiles.
So can you draw some more correlations between how the grooming activity that's
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happening in schools is ultimately leading to an acceptance of that?
Sure. So when you start telling young children about explicit sex acts and you
start telling them that who they're sexually attracted to and their self-pleasure
is the most important thing and STDs are no big deal.
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And these are the things that I'm pulling from the most common books that are controversial.
When you start saying that you should be talking about sex with everybody that
you should be masturbating in front of your boyfriend, even if you're in junior
high or high school, because it's sexy.
What you're doing is you're just taking, you know, things that are meant for
adults and you're making them for children. So you're, you're.
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Breaking down barriers. And this is what grooming does. It breaks down barriers.
And that way, when the creepy uncle comes along or the creepy neighbor or the
sex trafficker and they start, you know, they don't have to start at square
one with teaching an innocent child about sex.
Sex, they can, you know, they can, they can kind of, they're coming in at,
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you know, like level five already, like, oh man, this kid's primed.
And they only have to just develop a very quickly develop a trust with the child
and then get the kid to start keeping secrets and build that wall between the
kid and their parents goes up much faster and they're primed and ready to have sex with the adults.
So that, what it does is it just makes, it makes that path so much easier for for pedophiles.
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And so when we're doing that to kids in schools and parents think that they're
dropping their kid off to learn about, you know, science and math and reading,
but yet here they are having conversations about the teacher's sex life,
you know, what, what, and then, you know, does that make sense?
Am I drawing that correlation there? Yeah. So that kids are ready.
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They're just primed and ready to go when a pedophile wants to have sex with them.
Exactly. And you sow the seed what's
that i'm sorry and then you add to it then they come home and
they go online and they're seeing this stuff online so it's just reinforcing what
they're being taught in school and you know it seems
like if i'm looking kind of look at a gradient i remember about eight years
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ago or so i was over at one of my friend's house and his i don't know six-year-old
little sister popped he left the room and she came into the room and she started
singing loosen up my buttons baby remember Remember that song?
Loosen up my buttons.
Okay. So she's doing it now. Yeah. Yeah. She's doing that.
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She's starting to literally undo in her in front of me.
And I was like, you guys, I said, stop, you got to go. And I told my friend,
I said, what's going on? Just the TV raisin.
And the reason why I bring that up is because that was six, seven years ago.
And the gay thing, the trans thing wasn't a major issue then.
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And so now you go from kids just being generally sexualized by MTV or whatever
to now they're being gay sexualized, you're sexualized and you had the gay trans component.
And then that seems like one step further toward the ultimate degradation of
the pedophilia ready map of,
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accepted, you know, accepting child even.
Right. Cause they're telling kids to have sex with everybody.
So even a straight child is now being convinced to have sex with now anybody,
a man, a woman, a man who thinks he's a woman, a woman who thinks she's a man, you know, a furry,
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like just have sex with everybody. Cause everybody deserves your love and affection.
And, you know, that's traumatizing, you know, it's, it's, it's as It's bad for
like, I have heard, you know, personal stories from gay friends who had straight
sex at one point and they were like, it was really gross,
you know, like it wasn't for me. And, but they, they, they were adults.
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They chose it. They were trying, you know, different things,
but for children to be convinced of doing all this stuff that,
that they're not inclined to do, or they're not ready to do is, is just trauma.
Yeah. And you can't unsee the thing either.
Yeah it's like you know once the idea is shown in the head you know the person
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just is going to crank over and over what's already in their head in order to
understand things so if you can put those ideas it could be noon the next day
it could be 3 a.m the next day and it's now part of,
their thought process right i can have sex with anybody and then the next level is of any age,
So it doesn't matter that I'm 12 and he's 60. Right.
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He identifies as a 13-year-old daddy. Yeah. You know?
This is what, this is, I mean, it's just insanity. So we are,
we're going to get to a point where I think parents are just going to be pulling
their kids out of the schools until they, until they fix this.
But we also have to pull our kids off the internet. I mean, there's just so
much poison in our lives.
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We have to pull ourselves off the internet as parents.
You know? Yeah. Phone down. Everybody, when you walk in the house,
everybody put the phone, you know, put the phone on the wall,
put a little box on the wall, just like the old days.
The phone is on the wall. You walk over to the wall and pick it up when it rings.
I don't know what the answer is, but we're in a very fast downward spiral.
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I think everybody needs to find their nearest Amish community and go and knock
on their door and ask to be adopted.
Yeah, the technological spiral is a real thing. and it's not being managed in
a very wholesome direction.
So, you know, you're right. Not only are they going to see it in schools now,
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they're going to see it in the TV shows and movies. They're going to see it
on just the general internet.
And some teachers are actually using that as a justification for talking about
this now, because they're saying, there's this one video in particular,
I saw this woman's like, you know, your parents aren't even watching your kids
and you're letting the internet raise them.
And so they're bringing me these questions. So this is more of a reflection
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on you as parents or on where the world is than it says about me as the teacher.
And there's, that's what I'm here to. Yeah. I mean, there's some truth to that, but you know, the,
solution to the problem isn't to add gasoline onto the fire
like okay let's just help you cultivate all
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of these thoughts that you've been given about you know
various sexualizations and you know codify them
so you know how to use them appropriately you know i
don't know it can't be you know you don't want to like support that stream of
thinking you also don't want people to walk away with odd ways of thinking but
you definitely don't want to graduate them through a school of mastery on these bits and pieces.
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What you said is key. He will teach you how to use them appropriately.
Kids don't know anything. Their brains aren't developed. You can show them every
guidebook and every rule for everything, how to be safe, and they don't use them.
I mean, kids, think about how you drove when you were 17.
We don't know anything, anything and we are very, they're very,
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very big on taking risks and thinking that bad things won't happen to them.
And, you know, here we are teaching kids like they're in this book here,
let's talk about it. You know, this is one of the more famous ones.
You know, there's a whole section on anal masturbation and other ones on kink
and, you know, getting tied up and dangled from the ceiling.
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Wow. Kind of sex.
Like, like in middle school. Now, when you, Middle school starts at age 11.
Like, did you need to hear any of that stuff in middle school at any point ever?
I mean, I'm almost 40 and I see and read so much from these books that have never even crossed.
And I mean, I'm not sheltered. Like, I don't have virgin ears.
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It's not like I don't know stuff.
But it is literally like that far. It's like a whole nother,
like you were saying, like they're kinks.
They are their fetishes. There are these like, and I've gotten this far without
knowing about any of that.
And you're talking about knowing about that at a young age when you're already
experimenting or thinking about that.
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You know, someone called the police. Right. And then you ask your 25-year-old neighbor about it.
And then the neighbor says, oh, come on over. I'll show you.
Like, this is, we have to, we used to teach our children. children,
if anybody talks about this with you, you let me know because they're a sicko
and they shouldn't be talking about it with you.
That means you're in danger. And don't let them tell you not to tell me because
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that's the red flag. That's what we taught kids.
Now we're teaching kids in school, oh, you have a secret. Oh,
you want me to call you by a different name? And,
And we'll just, you know, you'll be something completely different.
And you want to talk to me about who you're sexually attracted to. That's fine.
You can tell me in secret and we won't tell your parents. And they're saying that's virtuous.
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That's how far we've come so fast. And if you look at other countries around
the world, they're all starting to push back on it.
You know, England just blocked nationally puberty blockers and gender assignment surgery on kids.
And right. Yay. And, you know, you guys are helping to get that pushed.
In states all across the country, too.
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So the rest of the world may have swayed a little bit, but most of the world
really never even came down this nutty path that we're on.
They've got to be looking at us going, what the hell are they doing in America?
And this is why, correct me if I'm wrong, it was either Guyana or I think it
was Uganda where they put a law in place recently that's really extreme where,
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you know, You can get the death penalty for being gay.
And now that's something we would never do here. That's insane.
That's like to us, that's just, we can't even wrap our head around that kind of cruelty.
But what it is, it's the rest of the world is looking at us and saying, we're going on offense.
They're going as far on offense as they can because they're like,
you're not coming for our kids. We'll kill you first.
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You know, and I, and I hate that they have to go that far, but that's, that's where it it is.
So really, it's an us problem and we're going to have to outgrow it because
the rest of the world is not on board.
Yeah. And you can't blame them. I mean, they're like, ah, actually,
the great white dragon of the
West or whatever the prophecy of America is for them and their culture.
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And then you see this spilling over.
You know, I've been to 60 countries, and one of the ironically saddest things
that I've seen is in the nightlife culture, just like in the radio culture,
almost every one of these countries is playing the top 40 from the U.S.
And when you look at what's in the lyrics and you
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know and how every song is just like hopeless or
it's just it's about you know less or promiscuity or
hatred or vengefulness or hoochie mama and you look at the culture that is sitting
there playing at this humble little man in thailand or in peru or whatever who's
come out of a culture that still managed to maintain some of their purity or
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their their wholesomeness,
and you're watching America's content come directly in and start corrupting and tainting.
And now they're, you know, little rappers popping up over there and they're
emulating what's happening over here.
And, you know, it's just like, even from that perspective, I'm like,
this content isn't good for Americans.
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And it's doubly bad for these people who are like, have no notion of,
you know, and so, you know, what are they supposed,
what are people who are against this and other places supposed to think about
a part of the world where it seems that it's being embraced and that we,
they only have that image because the media is run by.
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Individuals who, you know, are charged with propagating, supporting and uplifting this message.
So, you know, the vast majority of us who are standing against,
you know, we're not not making it to their headlines or their newspapers over there.
I can't tell you how many times I've gotten a DM or a comment that said,
oh, I am so glad to know that America still has some people like you.
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I'm like, trust me, there's more of us.
Because they really, you are, and that just proves your point.
All they see is insanity.
It's Ringling Brothers over here to them. Yeah. Yeah.
It is. And, you know, we turn it down and we're, we're surrounded by it.
We're a little bit more used to like navigating to where we want to go.
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But you know, it's like the highest, you know, production value is put in Hollywood,
you know, music and Hollywood movies and TV shows and things like that.
And so when the rest of the world gets it, like, ah, state of the art,
quality sounds technology.
And that's, you know, The Trojan horse where all of the brain worms are going to be downloaded from.
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So brain worms. There was this joke somebody was making a while back about that.
Well, I don't know what you want. But it actually makes perfect sense. Yeah. Yeah.
And so anyway, I feel bad for the rest of the world. I understand why they feel the way they do.
But we're not going to help that through our tacit silence. silence,
you know, our silence is taken as a tacit agreement that all is well,
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it's not bad enough for me to say anything.
I'll go along to get along. So at the very least say something.
I don't know how we got here from a generational standpoint.
So I'm Gen X and, you know, we were all like, you know, like,
no, we're not taking anybody's crap and all this.
And now all my Gen X friends are like, yeah, I'm just a few years from retirement.
I don't want to rock the boat. like, or, oh, you know, I, you know,
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I got my third ones in college. I'm almost through.
I can't afford to lose the job or, you know, upset the apple cart in the,
you know, the mom group or this or that. I'm like, what happened to us?
We were tough. We were, we were the twisted sister. We're not going to take
it generation. And now we're taking, we sure are taking it.
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I mean, that's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to, like, you know,
wound people's pride a little bit.
Be like, I remember when you were tough. Come on, come back. Yeah.
I mean, you got to spar them on somehow.
It is so sad that we do not want to take any personal risk or expense to speak up for the truth.
I think that really goes back to the whole, like, you got to have faith in something.
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Come on. Because otherwise, why would you stand up to be persecuted for a truth
who's, you know, true hero or, you know, true advocate,
you know, is just some sort of like an imagination. nation.
Like, if you don't believe that it matters, you know, that there's a reward
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ultimately, you know, it's no secret we're going to die one day.
It's like, what are you going to, what do you think you're carrying with you?
The contents of like your soul, you know, I don't know where you think you're
going to go, but, you know, protecting your job and these sorts of things at
a time like this, I mean, this is not even a small thing, you know, just to let it passed.
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And it's also not such a trivial thing that I think people need to worry about
being like left high and dry because, you know, they went down some crazy routes. It's pretty clear.
It is pretty clear. And, you know, pick a battle.
Like if this isn't for you, like, we have a few battles in this country that
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are really dramatically about to change our way of life.
And if we don't win all of them, it's not just this, it's the immigration front.
It's the, you know, the free speech.
It's the two way we have so much going on, like pick, pick one of them, get involved.
I mean, we, when we always grew up hearing these stories of our founding fathers
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who sacrificed so much for what they, for,
for freedoms, you know, so that we could have these basic rights to live in,
in unencumbered by the government and raise our families the way we want. And again.
You know, we got really comfortable. We went on autopilot. Things were easy.
Well, they're not anymore. And we have to get uncomfortable and be the generation
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that stands up and saves, you know, save this country.
For us, it's saving the children. That's our battle.
It's so true. This is not everybody's cup of tea, but there's places for everybody.
Buddy and so if you're thinking
you're sitting there listening and you're thinking to yourself you know
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whatever little i'm gonna do won't matter won't be
noticed it won't be accepted or appreciated i mean those are the lies of a dark
place in yourself because as soon as you actually show up and you start to put
your voice to your beliefs people are going to rally around you and they're
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going to appreciate you.
You're going to be inspiring people in unusual ways around every corner.
That's going to show you that just showing up is half the battle.
Absolutely. Absolutely. And get
in the fight, man. We gave a whole list of ways that are easy and hard.
Beginner level right up to expert level. Get in there, though.
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We need everybody to wake up and put down their phones and get uncomfortable.
Get out of the sweatpants. Let's go. go yeah and people
are gonna pull you up to assist them
with stuff just because you showed up you know
you think that there's a lot of voices well there's not as
many consistent voices as you might think you know just watching the media so
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well elena one more time give us your web address and how people can follow
you all right so go to please go to american groomer film.com i made the film free.
It's only 36 minutes. It's jam-packed. It's pretty fast.
And then on that website, American Groomer Film, you can find my social media
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links where I mostly am known as the based mother.
And if you have any questions, you can contact me anywhere, but I'm pretty easy
to reach because I'm ready to team up.
Awesome. And for anybody who has any questions about Gays Against Groomers,
you can go to gaysagainstgroomers.com.
You can find us on on X on Insta. If you want to sponsor the program or donate,
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go to gays against groomers.com.
And my name is Robert and you can email me if you have any questions,
comments, or concerns at Robert at gays against groomers.com.
Thanks again, Elena.
Thank you so much. What a, what a fun conversation. It's so great. Yes.
Yes. You're an amazing person to talk to. So thanks again for joining us. Thanks.
Welcome to the Dark Side of the Rainbow. I'm your host, Robert Wallace,
and this is a Gaze Against Groomers production.
Today, I had the pleasure of interviewing Elena Barbera. She's also known as
The Based Mother online.
You may have seen her podcast content and the other show that she did with her son, Sonny.
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And in this discussion we talk about all things related to the trans agenda
of grooming for children and all forms of sexual inappropriateness surrounding the matter at hand.
So let's get on with the interview.
All right and welcome to the dark side of the rainbow.
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I'm Robert Wallace and And I'm here with Elena Barbera, also known as The Based Mother online.
How are you doing, Elena? I'm great. Thanks for having me, Robert.
Well, thanks for being had.
We're going to have a fun little discussion about some of the videos that you've
made, some of your activism, and your perspectives as a mother on the current set of issues.
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So you and your son, Sonny, did a podcast.
And it was very successful. And you guys reviewed a lot of stories and a lot
of reaction videos, that sort of thing.
Did you see, was there anything in particular that you saw while you were doing
that, that led you on to the path that you're on right now?
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Getting into getting into those videos with him and they were reaction videos
where he would show me something online and then he and I would talk about it
and have this, you know, mother son conversation.
And, you know, what I what I started to see was parts of the culture that I
didn't know existed because, you know, he was 18 when we started doing that, maybe even 17.
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And, you know, I was seeing things that I wouldn't have otherwise been exposed
to, you know, kids watch other stuff. And I started to see that there was a
lot around, you know, this transing of our youth.
And, you know, I was kind of paying attention to politics and I was getting
more and more and more into it and the culture, especially during the pandemic
when we had a lot more time.
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I didn't spend time on Netflix. I spent time on the news and paying attention.
And I started to see the mainstream media saying there were all these book bans
and censorship going on. And, you know, obviously I'm, I am all for free speech
and I am not, you know, pro censorship.
So during that time with Sunny, you know, we, we started seeing clips from what
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is a woman and, you know, seeing the culture, you know, in the Supreme Court
when she couldn't define what a woman was,
you know, when they were, you know, during the Supreme Court hearings asked
what is a woman and all of these things that went on.
And I just got deeper and deeper and went down this rabbit hole.
And man, the things that I found that are going on in our schools that are grooming
them, not only to be trans, but to be sexually abused, right?
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Starting in pre-K just blew my mind.
Yeah, it's amazing what is coming to the surface for everyday people to see.
We have epidemic of the sexualizing of children, hyper-sexualizing of children.
And that's just like surface level, because like what you were talking about,
there's homework assignments and books that they're being given.
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So what do you think is the future for the next 20, 40 years of this current
generation? What is this going to evolve into?
Okay. Well, grooming, that's happening where we're talking about children being
born in the wrong body, where we're showing young children pornography,
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talking to them about overtly sexual content. That can go a lot of different ways.
It could lead them to tethering themselves to the medical industrial complex
through chemical and surgical sex change, which isn't actually ever really possible anyway.
It can lead them to the point of being sexually abused by abusing each other.
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And also they start seeing at a very young age, seeing everybody as a sexual object.
So they abuse each other. They're more likely they're primed and ready to be
abused by, you know, creeps in their family or their neighborhood.
And it is another road that happens when children are over-sexualized.
You know, it, it, it makes it so much easier for predator who wants to sex traffic
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them because they're primed and ready to go.
So there's a lot of dark paths that children can end up taking that just leads to trauma.
And we know that trauma leads to drug abuse and alcoholism and suicide attempts
and poverty and even heart disease and cancer.
Like it's crazy when you look at the long-term studies of children who were
sexually abused, how they end up, you know, growing into adults who need so
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much work just to get back to able to function in society.
Yeah. So yeah, 20, 30, 40 years, we're going to have a massive population of
children who are just whacked out of their minds and don't even know how to get through the day.
And in public schools, we've got at any given time, 50 million children.
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And we're setting them on all of those different paths every day,
all 50 million of them. What is that going to look like?
I don't even think we can really imagine how bad it's going to be.
Right it's just going to like grow what's the word i want to use by bigger you know explode.
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Yeah just just like a destroy like a mushroom cloud i mean we can and it sounds
like i'm exaggerating but i'm not i mean we're talking about 50 million kids
all of them being taught about you know to focus on their sex and their genitals
more than anything that's what we're doing? It's bonkers.
Yeah, it is. You mentioned something very interesting that it's not even possible
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for these people to transition into the other gender.
And I, you know, I just was talking to Dr. Atom Haim recently,
who made the same point that how can the kids give consent, informed consent
if the thing that they're consenting to isn't even possible?
Yeah. It's criminal what's happening to these children.
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And I think the last number I heard was we're looking at the transgender medical
industry is somewhere around $4 billion a year in revenue.
That's what I heard. It could be a little higher by now.
To me, it all just feels like a money grab.
And we have states like Maine that are trying to make it illegal to sue a doctor
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for malpractice if they do this to a child.
So that's a bill that's in play in Maine right now. So they know that the lawsuits
are coming and they're trying to set up the law to protect themselves from it
already because they know that what they're doing is unfounded in science and it's unethical,
but it's making a lot of people a lot of money.
Yeah. And by the way, I remember that word that was going after, exponential.
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Exponential development. Because we're here in a couple of years,
everybody's going to be comfy as a toaster And then what do you transition to after that?
Yes. But people like you, organizations like Gays Against Groomers,
you know, you're out there like going into the state houses,
protesting, sharing the knowledge, spreading the word.
And that's, you know, that's what I want to do. I just want to like,
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I'm the frying pan that wants to like hit everybody in America over the head
with the knowledge and say, wake up, wake up.
This isn't just something that you saw on TV that's happening somewhere else.
This is happening in your town.
Yeah. Yeah. What do you think is the end goal? Who do you think is really behind this?
Because it's not an organic thing that's just coming up. Society just needs
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to express its transism.
It's a lot of influences.
It just seems to me it sounds so conspiracy theorist-ish even coming out of
my mouth, but it seems like they're just trying to make pedophilia okay.
Because we hear more and more about how now pedophiles don't like being called
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pedophiles because it has a negative connotation.
So we should call them minor attractive persons.
And, you know, they're saying pedophilia is just another sexual orientation
that we should accept. You know, sure, we should try to stop them from harming children.
But this is the slope that we're on. First, we call them something nice,
then we accept them and so on. So I really think that that's what where we're at.
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We even hear cases of where sometimes statutory, you know, sometimes,
sometimes, excuse me, sexual abuse of a child, even as little as seven or eight
years old, sometimes the child will consent to it. So it really wasn't abuse.
These are the things that we're hearing floating around. And that's the end
goal, I think. Why hasn't the Epstein list come out yet?
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Well, because it's not acceptable enough yet. But as soon as they think they
can convince us to accept pedophilia, which they're out of their minds,
it's never happening, then they'll all be off the hook for all the horrible things they've done,
So is that a little too down the rabbit hole? I don't know. No, that's just, yeah.
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That's just starting at the surface for me, at least.
What's your rabbit hole? I want to know. I've got a lot of rabbit holes and
there's a whole colony where they all converge underground, these rabbits.
Yeah, because if you do follow the paper trail, if you pay attention to what's
happening and you get a big picture view, view, you'll understand when things
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like this kind of start, you know, popping up out of nowhere,
you know, what purpose could it possibly serve?
We've heard people at the World Economic Forum, actually, they've got a whole
division that runs this and their job is down the line to make sure like the
whole DEI and this whole thing is implemented everywhere.
And they're really trying to push for the equality of the LGBTQIA.
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So you know they have their their plot
for a new world order so there's a
rabbit hole yes and it and it maybe it's also part of the depopulation scheme
yeah because you know the more of us that are sterilized and just neutralized
and you know they kill our instincts to be fathers to be mothers and they teach
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us that being fathers and mothers is an outdated concept and you shouldn't and be doing that.
I mean, you know, they achieve that. I still can't wrap my head around why they want to do it.
Ultimately, what the why is, like, I'm just not warped enough.
And if I ever do get to the why, you know, I'm sure it'll be sickening.
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Yeah. You know, I think you were kind of getting at it when you were talking
about the undermining basically of our moral fabric,
because one of the the things that I'm thinking about is the broad effect that
all of these things in terms of cultural Marxism is having on the wussification
of our country and any number of ways you want to look at it,
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we are having our traditional values and our strengths undermined.
Yes. Yeah, we absolutely are. I mean, the wussification of our country,
the feminization of our men, the masculinization of our women.
They just want us all to just be this weird, neutral, unnatural thing.
But you know what? Here's where I find hope because at the end of it,
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I don't care how hard they try.
You cannot change human nature.
We are who we are and we will be who we will be. We may be going through this
freakish, weird phase right now.
But human nature always wins out. And the desire to do what's natural and be
free will always, always come out.
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I mean, maybe it'll take a little time, but I think we have to,
things have to get a little worse before Americans fully wake up, unfortunately.
More damage has to be done first. But we're going to be all right in the long run.
Yes, optimistically. You know, I think we were talking before we started recording,
and one of the things that that we were kind of talking about is what got us
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into the fight in a certain way, what got us involved.
And I think that it's having a very boomerang ish effect for these people because
it's waking more people up than it's convincing in their direction. Something is a fight.
Absolutely. People are tired of it. People are tired of watching,
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you know, know, mostly naked adults like shake their thing for children.
You know, anybody who is even a little bit sane is saying absolutely not.
And it can feel overwhelming and they can make people, the people who want to
protect children feel like they're in the minority, but they truly aren't. They're just so quiet.
They're all just sitting there at home protecting their children.
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And this minority of people who want to sexualize kids, they're actually pretty small.
They're that if once the rest of us all stand up at the same time,
it's going to get weird for the other team very fast.
They're going to get very quiet very fast when they realize how outnumbered they are.
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Yeah. I'm hoping it doesn't come to civil war on our local streets because everybody's
been led down their paths through their media bubbles.
But if we don't have our conversations about.
Our country, you know, the, you know, what we have in common,
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their philosophical beliefs on things, you know, it used to be like,
oh, you don't talk about, you know, religion and politics at the dinner table.
But then, you know, when you think about God and country, when you think about,
you know, what is your moral basis and what about your patriotism,
you know, what about the country, you know?
And so since that's really what seems to be like under attack,
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it's like, Like, this is almost like it's a distraction, but it's an important
thing that, you know, they got us on because it really does mess up a person
from the inside out to grow up in this environment. If we don't talk about it.
Can you even imagine growing up in this environment? And, you know,
you hit on something with saying that we were taught not to talk about religion
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and politics at the dinner table, in the boardroom or anywhere.
And you know what? Whoever came up with that one is a genius because they planted
a seed that ruined American society.
Americans should be involved and we should be having important,
intelligent, informed conversations with each other about politics and about what's going on.
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And we should be talking about God and religion, even if we disagree.
But what it's come to now is that we're so unpracticed in having those conversations
conversations that everyone is just so emotionally charged and they can't even
have the conversations anymore.
And it did a great job of dividing us by having us all say, oh no,
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we won't talk about that because we don't want to offend anybody or ruffle any feathers.
We wouldn't be ruffling feathers if we had the conversations all the time and
we knew how to do them civilly, but we don't. And it was great.
And now we are divided and we know what happens. Divided we fall.
So man, Man, that is, I always say, man, that was some evil genius stuff, whoever said that.
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Yeah. We're not equipped for the conversations. And so when we get offensive
and it gets emotionally charged, like what you're saying, because we can't defend ourselves.
We don't know the right words. We don't know the facts we should know.
The other thing is, you know, we're actually a constitutional republic.
We're not a democracy. And that's the other thing is we've got the subversion of speech there too.
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By saying that we're one step closer to socialism. So it's like these issues are really being used,
you know, whether it's like the social justice issues around race or around
the gays or trans or whatever, it's being used in order to create a sort of
division and a, and a blind from what's actually happening.
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Happening? Look at what's happened over the past, let's say,
I don't know, six, five, six, seven years.
We had the, we had the Me Too movement.
Oh, that was all the rage. And then we had the Black Lives Matter movement,
all the rage, both of them dead in the water, right?
Then, you know, we had, you know, people fighting over vaccines and masks.
Then, you know, now we're fighting over trans things. Now we're fighting over,
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you know, Palestine and Israel.
And we're fighting over, you know, you know, with a protest in the street,
people gluing themselves to the the street and closing down bridges and tunnels.
It's just they just do the same thing over and over and over and just dress
it up in a different banner.
And people just buy into it.
How did we get to just be such emotional creatures with no intellectual rigor.
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Let's say, to look into both sides of an issue?
Everyone's just out there screaming. And so what we have to do as people people
who want to make a difference is try to cut through that noise and not just
be more noise, you know, try to one by one.
It's, it's kind of like as a Christian, like discipling, like you kind of just
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have to like have small conversations and plant little seeds here and there
and hope that people will say, tell me more,
you know, tell them something bad about when you know all these things about
what's going on with children and how dangerous these chemicals are that they're
giving them for puberty blockers and how untested it all is.
You know, you want to tell them everything, but you just give them something to chew on.
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Maybe they'll come back for more. And we have to find a way to do that,
but do it fast also, because these children are being harmed at a rate that we can't keep up with.
Yeah. And, you know, that's the one advantage that you have that Gays Against
Screamers has with social online video content media.
We can immediately show people things that they would not believe.
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And I've told people things, they're like, oh, that's not happening.
And then you show it to them and they're like, and I say, now,
is that okay? Is that drag show okay?
Is this, you know, this cartoon pornography in the book okay?
No, no, I wouldn't say this is okay. I wouldn't say this. I'm like,
well, this is happening all over the place.
And so in that way, we can really have like a really quick effect with the evidence.
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But yeah, in conversations, it's like you just got to drop little crumbs.
Right, right. Even though there's so much, I just want to like tie people to
a chair and like put them in a movie theater and show them all of it.
Yeah, me too. I've got the documentaries lined up for that. Yeah.
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A little popcorn in their mouth. Yeah. So have you experienced a lot of pushback normally?
And when people talk about the issues around the trans gay ideology,
you get a lot of diverse opinions.
What are some of the things that you've heard that make you think,
I don't know how much hope there is, or I don't know how far gone people are
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if I have to explain this or that to them?
Some, you know, so I was talking, what started my journey with making this film
was, you know, really just getting all the information and having it come at
me and just being angry about it.
And then last summer, I was sitting around the Sunday dinner table with about a dozen family members.
And one of my family members has worked with children, I mean,
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defending children for, you know, decades, probably 35 years.
And when I started to tell her about what's going on in the schools and the
pornography, and she said, that is not happening.
And I said, okay, it is. And let me tell you more. And I started telling her
and literally got pushback.
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And she said to me, I consider myself to be a well-informed person.
And I'm telling you, like, I would have heard about this if it was happening,
that the pornography in the schools and about the trans books in pre-K and all that.
And I felt so frustrated that somebody who works with children was shutting me down.
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And another cousin of mine across the table started pulling things up on Google
and being like, no, here it is.
Here it is in Oregon and Tennessee and Montana and Texas and pulling actual
news stories up about validating what I was saying.
So for me that that frustration of just
an obstinance and a refusal to look
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at facts and then you know and she was also making some comments implying that
i was bigoted against trans people and big and i'm like listen you're you're
missing the whole boat here i was born and raised in brooklyn i was in manhattan
all the time i saw more what we called then transvestites than the average,
you know, American did, you know, as a child, just because they were just around in New York.
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You go into the village and that's where everybody hung out.
So, like, I never thought anything of it until they went after the kids.
And that's when it became a problem in my life.
So, you know, that being called a bigot and being called a hater is frustrating.
Having my Christianity thrown in my face is frustrating.
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Just the refusal to look at facts. But I had a little ray of light on Twitter last week.
Somebody came at me, somebody with like all the flags in their bio,
you know, all the pastel flags and all the trends, whatever. whatever.
And he really came at me, you know, called me just a crazy bigot and all this,
and said, my film was full of lies. And I said, I can tell you haven't seen it.
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And they said, well, why would I ever watch that? You know, you're nonsense.
You don't even do research. I said, okay, look, I, you know,
do some, you know, do a little, do a little investigation, watch it.
It's 36 minutes and then get back to me and tell me if
I didn't do any research and that person
did and came back and said i and
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i couldn't believe it came back and said i didn't realize
how bad it had gotten and i thought wow that was a i mean that was a really
encouraging little exchange that i had there yeah man yeah i've experienced
so many breakthroughs like that but by the way let's talk about your film by
name that's american groomer.
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American Groomers the children are not okay the kids are not okay could you
correct me if I got that wrong?
Yeah it's called American Groomer and the tagline is the kids are not alright.
Okay. And I've watched it a couple times actually even though I don't have the
title fresh in my mind and it was a really well made documentary and I encourage
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people to go watch it. What's the web address for that?
AmericanGroomer.com? No it's AmericanGroomerFilm.com AmericanGroomerFilm.com.
And it's a free documentary, mini documentary on the subject.
Yeah, it was fun. I mean, I, I just, I, it just came to me like a ton of bricks
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that I had to make this film.
And I started digging into the research and started making some calls and wanted
to talk to some experts and people who were really fighting this on the front line.
And that's how I got connected with Gays Against Rumors. Cause I reached out
to Jamie Michelle, the president of the organization and she and Sasha and Chris
got, got on a zoom with me.
We met and they said, yeah, let's do this. We'll, we'll be in your film.
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And I, I met them in New York at the New York fundraiser back in September.
And we did some filming at the fundraiser. And then we interviewed them the
next morning at our hotel.
And they were such great contributors to the film with their knowledge.
And I just, just the fight and how, and even since then, like Gays Against Groomers
has grown like twice as, twice as large.
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And I'm so excited that, you know, to, to have I've had them,
but all this stuff, you know, I did all the research.
I had American principles projects in the film and that child and parental rights campaign.
And I did street interviews and I say all this, what I'm about to say,
because, you know, I did this. I'd never, I've never made a film before.
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I didn't have any funders. It was me and my cameraman and my editor,
and he volunteered and I paid for the whole film, all the travel and did everything.
Everything and I say that not because I'm so great
but just to tell everybody like you can make a difference you can take what
little you have and get it done now this does not look like this is not an HBO
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quality film but I've gotten a lot of really good feedback on it you know and
for somebody that has never made a film before because I know the reach the research is solid.
I had great interviews with people. I just figured it out because nothing,
once I really learned the truth, I was like, nothing is more important than
getting this out there and protecting these 50 million kids that are in schools.
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And not that it's not happening in private schools, but it is just,
I say 50 million to just focus on the public.
Yeah, yeah. Well, hopefully everybody will go to americangroomerfilm.com and watch that.
Post Haste, it's an amazing film. and yes
jamie and sasha and chris were in that
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they did a great job also so yeah i
can back to what you're saying i can testify the power of a documentary
is so important for my spouse for instance
a lot of things have been going through i'm like i've been telling you about this
forever we watch a documentary it's like well why couldn't he have just shown
this to me to begin with i said because we were in the middle of it happening
the documentary is after you know But you want to get up over on this information
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so that you can interpret the moment correctly.
Yeah. And it could have been 10 hours long with the amount of information I came across.
But the things I learned are stomach churning.
Like in 39 states here in America, it is legal to show children pornography
in schools and libraries, no matter how bad the pornography,
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no matter how young the child.
If you show that same stuff to a child on the other side of the threshold,
you will leave in handcuffs.
So it's harmful to children on one side of the threshold, but in schools, it's okay.
How did those laws get passed? I talk about, I talk a little bit about that
in the film and how we came to that.
And there was really no solid explanation for it.
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And certain states like New Jersey don't, they don't have that law in place,
but they're fighting to get it put in place because they want to protect a teacher's
right to show pornography to little kids.
What's going on? Why? With all the problems we have in this country,
that's what our legislatures are focusing on, putting pornography in front of children.
It's coming around right from the White House. It's bonkers.
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I mean, I can't say enough what a big fight this is. I'm so glad you guys are
in it because you're out there fighting.
And I'm now getting involved with an organization called Take Back the Classroom.
So I'm going to be getting more active in addition to just being you know,
somebody that's just trying to give people the facts.
Do you think we need to spend more time as individuals, as parents,
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homeschooling our kids or an equal amount of time or most of our time reforming
the public school system?
I have a little bit of an extreme opinion on this. I think we should yank our
children from these institutions and let them crumble to the ground and then
rebuild them because they're so corrupt.
We have the American Library Association and most of our libraries,
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they are actively very and proudly pushing this agenda on our children.
We have the teachers unions also actively and proudly pushing the agenda.
Again, it's coming from city councils in a lot of cities, school boards,
again, right down from the White House.
The Human Rights Campaign has materials in schools in all 50 states.
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They've got lists and lists of books about how to be transgender for pre-K up through 12.
So it's so insidious that you can't send your kid there eight hours a day and
then come home and spend an hour with your kid at dinner and think that you
can undo the damage that was done in eight.
You can't, we got to get the kids out, let it fall apart and then rebuild it
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if we want it at that point.
But homeschooling actually, the more I learn about it, those kids are thriving.
They're doing well. It takes two to three hours a day to homeschool.
And then you just get to live your life with your kid.
If you can, if you're blessed enough to be able to make the sacrifices to afford to do that.
I didn't do that. My son is 20 now, but if we
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were in that situation that's what i'd be doing yeah absolutely
yep nowadays it's too corrupted and they're
teaching they won't even let the teachers graduate unless they've kind of like
sworn their oath to the social justice warrior mentality and then we have all
the controversy around all the politicians who somehow inexplicably find their
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way into offices where no No one in the town seems to like them.
And then they happen to be the one who wants to push the whatever initiative,
you know, the smart city initiative or the globalist plot all the way down.
And you got the doctors and everybody saying, hey, we have to affirm,
you know, everybody's gender.
So it's kind of like, you know, everybody's been infiltrated so many levels
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up above even what we're dealing with.
And we got to get back to like putting our focus on like, why is this happening?
Like, what are they trying to accomplish?
And we touched on that. So, but we got to get involved, right?
We got to get involved in whatever way, like you're doing your activism.
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You're spreading the word out here.
Everybody's got something they can do. And if we don't all partake,
you know, we, we're going to be like a silent majority of people who,
who remain silent during the ugliest of times.
Yeah. And, you know, like people don't realize they can start,
they can pick different ways to get involved.
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Like, okay, you can have, invite 10 other parents over to come over to your house and watch my film.
Go listen to, you know, share Gays Against Rumors podcasts.
Go to a Gays Against Rumors event and, or support them.
Find an organization like Take Back the Classroom and become their volunteer
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army of parents who are actively getting the porn taken out of schools.
You could probably add to that list. There are small and bigger ways.
Run for school board, run for a city council seat.
Those are more time-invested investments, but it's very simple to just get started. started.
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What would you add? Would you add anything to that off the cuff list that I just threw out there?
The only thing I would add is anything you can imagine that you think you could
bring to the table. Something that's not being done.
Something that, oh, I don't want to do that because nobody's doing it that way.
Maybe you need to start doing it that way.
I know I myself got got into this whole thing just because of seeing it happening.
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It was like automatic magnetic effect for me that if this is happening,
I have like a de facto responsibility to be on it, but there's no way it's happening and it is happening.
And so it kind of cleared my schedule for me and wrote the script for me and
guided what needed to be done just because it's like, in what universe are we
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not doing something about this? I can't believe it's happening.
So and i know that's how you got activated you just saw it was like a legitimate issue and then,
Gotta do something. Yeah. And,
you know, tonight I'm having a friendly conversation with you and smiling.
But, you know, sometimes I get like flipping table mad.
Like, how is it that we are in a fight to just protect children's innocence?
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Like, this isn't normal. This is insanity. This is, you know,
where like I get all, you know, Jesus.
And I'm like, are we in a, this is the battle of good versus evil.
You know, not everybody resonates with that message. But like,
that's how, like, that's where I'm at.
Cause it can't be anything but just pure evil to, to take away kids innocence
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and, and want to hurt them.
I don't understand. I don't understand.
And yeah, I get crazy when I, you know, when I think about it,
I need to, I think it comes down to like,
if you don't have anything to live for, if you
don't have something bigger bigger than your identity than
your appearances then you're going
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to keep falling back on you know
these popular movements or you know
social justice causes where you can be a victim where you
can be the hero and the victim where you can
fight back and be the underdog who
is eventually supported by the government
who was supposed to be the one keeping you down or something
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i don't know it gets convoluted at the end so we don't ask questions but
sorry to laugh but you're
so right it's so absurd but it is it
is comical and you know it's good to laugh about
it even though it's really harmful yeah it's
it's an unfortunate world of contradictions that we're in right now and so something
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you were touching on earlier you know we see that the acceptance of the lgbtqia
and all of its various forms is leading generally towards a normalization and
an acceptance of the maps,
the minor attracted people, aka the pedophiles.
So can you draw some more correlations between how the grooming activity that's
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happening in schools is ultimately leading to an acceptance of that?
Sure. So when you start telling young children about explicit sex acts and you
start telling them that who they're sexually attracted to and their self-pleasure
is the most important thing and STDs are no big deal.
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And these are the things that I'm pulling from the most common books that are controversial.
When you start saying that you should be talking about sex with everybody that
you should be masturbating in front of your boyfriend, even if you're in junior
high or high school, because it's sexy.
What you're doing is you're just taking, you know, things that are meant for
adults and you're making them for children. So you're, you're.
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Breaking down barriers. And this is what grooming does. It breaks down barriers.
And that way, when the creepy uncle comes along or the creepy neighbor or the
sex trafficker and they start, you know, they don't have to start at square
one with teaching an innocent child about sex.
Sex, they can, you know, they can, they can kind of, they're coming in at,
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you know, like level five already, like, oh man, this kid's primed.
And they only have to just develop a very quickly develop a trust with the child
and then get the kid to start keeping secrets and build that wall between the
kid and their parents goes up much faster and they're primed and ready to have sex with the adults.
So that, what it does is it just makes, it makes that path so much easier for for pedophiles.
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And so when we're doing that to kids in schools and parents think that they're
dropping their kid off to learn about, you know, science and math and reading,
but yet here they are having conversations about the teacher's sex life,
you know, what, what, and then, you know, does that make sense?
Am I drawing that correlation there? Yeah. So that kids are ready.
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They're just primed and ready to go when a pedophile wants to have sex with them.
Exactly. And you sow the seed what's
that i'm sorry and then you add to it then they come home and
they go online and they're seeing this stuff online so it's just reinforcing what
they're being taught in school and you know it seems
like if i'm looking kind of look at a gradient i remember about eight years
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ago or so i was over at one of my friend's house and his i don't know six-year-old
little sister popped he left the room and she came into the room and she started
singing loosen up my buttons baby remember Remember that song?
Loosen up my buttons.
Okay. So she's doing it now. Yeah. Yeah. She's doing that.
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She's starting to literally undo in her in front of me.
And I was like, you guys, I said, stop, you got to go. And I told my friend,
I said, what's going on? Just the TV raisin.
And the reason why I bring that up is because that was six, seven years ago.
And the gay thing, the trans thing wasn't a major issue then.
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And so now you go from kids just being generally sexualized by MTV or whatever
to now they're being gay sexualized, you're sexualized and you had the gay trans component.
And then that seems like one step further toward the ultimate degradation of
the pedophilia ready map of,
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accepted, you know, accepting child even.
Right. Cause they're telling kids to have sex with everybody.
So even a straight child is now being convinced to have sex with now anybody,
a man, a woman, a man who thinks he's a woman, a woman who thinks she's a man, you know, a furry,
(37:35):
like just have sex with everybody. Cause everybody deserves your love and affection.
And, you know, that's traumatizing, you know, it's, it's, it's as It's bad for
like, I have heard, you know, personal stories from gay friends who had straight
sex at one point and they were like, it was really gross,
you know, like it wasn't for me. And, but they, they, they were adults.
(37:56):
They chose it. They were trying, you know, different things,
but for children to be convinced of doing all this stuff that,
that they're not inclined to do, or they're not ready to do is, is just trauma.
Yeah. And you can't unsee the thing either.
Yeah it's like you know once the idea is shown in the head you know the person
(38:16):
just is going to crank over and over what's already in their head in order to
understand things so if you can put those ideas it could be noon the next day
it could be 3 a.m the next day and it's now part of,
their thought process right i can have sex with anybody and then the next level is of any age,
So it doesn't matter that I'm 12 and he's 60. Right.
(38:40):
He identifies as a 13-year-old daddy. Yeah. You know?
This is what, this is, I mean, it's just insanity. So we are,
we're going to get to a point where I think parents are just going to be pulling
their kids out of the schools until they, until they fix this.
But we also have to pull our kids off the internet. I mean, there's just so
much poison in our lives.
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We have to pull ourselves off the internet as parents.
You know? Yeah. Phone down. Everybody, when you walk in the house,
everybody put the phone, you know, put the phone on the wall,
put a little box on the wall, just like the old days.
The phone is on the wall. You walk over to the wall and pick it up when it rings.
I don't know what the answer is, but we're in a very fast downward spiral.
(39:25):
I think everybody needs to find their nearest Amish community and go and knock
on their door and ask to be adopted.
Yeah, the technological spiral is a real thing. and it's not being managed in
a very wholesome direction.
So, you know, you're right. Not only are they going to see it in schools now,
(39:47):
they're going to see it in the TV shows and movies. They're going to see it
on just the general internet.
And some teachers are actually using that as a justification for talking about
this now, because they're saying, there's this one video in particular,
I saw this woman's like, you know, your parents aren't even watching your kids
and you're letting the internet raise them.
And so they're bringing me these questions. So this is more of a reflection
(40:09):
on you as parents or on where the world is than it says about me as the teacher.
And there's, that's what I'm here to. Yeah. I mean, there's some truth to that, but you know, the,
solution to the problem isn't to add gasoline onto the fire
like okay let's just help you cultivate all
(40:30):
of these thoughts that you've been given about you know
various sexualizations and you know codify them
so you know how to use them appropriately you know i
don't know it can't be you know you don't want to like support that stream of
thinking you also don't want people to walk away with odd ways of thinking but
you definitely don't want to graduate them through a school of mastery on these bits and pieces.
(40:56):
What you said is key. He will teach you how to use them appropriately.
Kids don't know anything. Their brains aren't developed. You can show them every
guidebook and every rule for everything, how to be safe, and they don't use them.
I mean, kids, think about how you drove when you were 17.
We don't know anything, anything and we are very, they're very,
(41:18):
very big on taking risks and thinking that bad things won't happen to them.
And, you know, here we are teaching kids like they're in this book here,
let's talk about it. You know, this is one of the more famous ones.
You know, there's a whole section on anal masturbation and other ones on kink
and, you know, getting tied up and dangled from the ceiling.
(41:40):
Wow. Kind of sex.
Like, like in middle school. Now, when you, Middle school starts at age 11.
Like, did you need to hear any of that stuff in middle school at any point ever?
I mean, I'm almost 40 and I see and read so much from these books that have never even crossed.
And I mean, I'm not sheltered. Like, I don't have virgin ears.
(42:02):
It's not like I don't know stuff.
But it is literally like that far. It's like a whole nother,
like you were saying, like they're kinks.
They are their fetishes. There are these like, and I've gotten this far without
knowing about any of that.
And you're talking about knowing about that at a young age when you're already
experimenting or thinking about that.
(42:23):
You know, someone called the police. Right. And then you ask your 25-year-old neighbor about it.
And then the neighbor says, oh, come on over. I'll show you.
Like, this is, we have to, we used to teach our children. children,
if anybody talks about this with you, you let me know because they're a sicko
and they shouldn't be talking about it with you.
That means you're in danger. And don't let them tell you not to tell me because
(42:45):
that's the red flag. That's what we taught kids.
Now we're teaching kids in school, oh, you have a secret. Oh,
you want me to call you by a different name? And,
And we'll just, you know, you'll be something completely different.
And you want to talk to me about who you're sexually attracted to. That's fine.
You can tell me in secret and we won't tell your parents. And they're saying that's virtuous.
(43:05):
That's how far we've come so fast. And if you look at other countries around
the world, they're all starting to push back on it.
You know, England just blocked nationally puberty blockers and gender assignment surgery on kids.
And right. Yay. And, you know, you guys are helping to get that pushed.
In states all across the country, too.
(43:27):
So the rest of the world may have swayed a little bit, but most of the world
really never even came down this nutty path that we're on.
They've got to be looking at us going, what the hell are they doing in America?
And this is why, correct me if I'm wrong, it was either Guyana or I think it
was Uganda where they put a law in place recently that's really extreme where,
(43:51):
you know, You can get the death penalty for being gay.
And now that's something we would never do here. That's insane.
That's like to us, that's just, we can't even wrap our head around that kind of cruelty.
But what it is, it's the rest of the world is looking at us and saying, we're going on offense.
They're going as far on offense as they can because they're like,
you're not coming for our kids. We'll kill you first.
(44:16):
You know, and I, and I hate that they have to go that far, but that's, that's where it it is.
So really, it's an us problem and we're going to have to outgrow it because
the rest of the world is not on board.
Yeah. And you can't blame them. I mean, they're like, ah, actually,
the great white dragon of the
West or whatever the prophecy of America is for them and their culture.
(44:39):
And then you see this spilling over.
You know, I've been to 60 countries, and one of the ironically saddest things
that I've seen is in the nightlife culture, just like in the radio culture,
almost every one of these countries is playing the top 40 from the U.S.
And when you look at what's in the lyrics and you
(45:02):
know and how every song is just like hopeless or
it's just it's about you know less or promiscuity or
hatred or vengefulness or hoochie mama and you look at the culture that is sitting
there playing at this humble little man in thailand or in peru or whatever who's
come out of a culture that still managed to maintain some of their purity or
(45:26):
their their wholesomeness,
and you're watching America's content come directly in and start corrupting and tainting.
And now they're, you know, little rappers popping up over there and they're
emulating what's happening over here.
And, you know, it's just like, even from that perspective, I'm like,
this content isn't good for Americans.
(45:46):
And it's doubly bad for these people who are like, have no notion of,
you know, and so, you know, what are they supposed,
what are people who are against this and other places supposed to think about
a part of the world where it seems that it's being embraced and that we,
they only have that image because the media is run by.
(46:08):
Individuals who, you know, are charged with propagating, supporting and uplifting this message.
So, you know, the vast majority of us who are standing against,
you know, we're not not making it to their headlines or their newspapers over there.
I can't tell you how many times I've gotten a DM or a comment that said,
oh, I am so glad to know that America still has some people like you.
(46:32):
I'm like, trust me, there's more of us.
Because they really, you are, and that just proves your point.
All they see is insanity.
It's Ringling Brothers over here to them. Yeah. Yeah.
It is. And, you know, we turn it down and we're, we're surrounded by it.
We're a little bit more used to like navigating to where we want to go.
(46:54):
But you know, it's like the highest, you know, production value is put in Hollywood,
you know, music and Hollywood movies and TV shows and things like that.
And so when the rest of the world gets it, like, ah, state of the art,
quality sounds technology.
And that's, you know, The Trojan horse where all of the brain worms are going to be downloaded from.
(47:20):
So brain worms. There was this joke somebody was making a while back about that.
Well, I don't know what you want. But it actually makes perfect sense. Yeah. Yeah.
And so anyway, I feel bad for the rest of the world. I understand why they feel the way they do.
But we're not going to help that through our tacit silence. silence,
you know, our silence is taken as a tacit agreement that all is well,
(47:45):
it's not bad enough for me to say anything.
I'll go along to get along. So at the very least say something.
I don't know how we got here from a generational standpoint.
So I'm Gen X and, you know, we were all like, you know, like,
no, we're not taking anybody's crap and all this.
And now all my Gen X friends are like, yeah, I'm just a few years from retirement.
I don't want to rock the boat. like, or, oh, you know, I, you know,
(48:08):
I got my third ones in college. I'm almost through.
I can't afford to lose the job or, you know, upset the apple cart in the,
you know, the mom group or this or that. I'm like, what happened to us?
We were tough. We were, we were the twisted sister. We're not going to take
it generation. And now we're taking, we sure are taking it.
(48:30):
I mean, that's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to, like, you know,
wound people's pride a little bit.
Be like, I remember when you were tough. Come on, come back. Yeah.
I mean, you got to spar them on somehow.
It is so sad that we do not want to take any personal risk or expense to speak up for the truth.
I think that really goes back to the whole, like, you got to have faith in something.
(48:53):
Come on. Because otherwise, why would you stand up to be persecuted for a truth
who's, you know, true hero or, you know, true advocate,
you know, is just some sort of like an imagination. nation.
Like, if you don't believe that it matters, you know, that there's a reward
(49:15):
ultimately, you know, it's no secret we're going to die one day.
It's like, what are you going to, what do you think you're carrying with you?
The contents of like your soul, you know, I don't know where you think you're
going to go, but, you know, protecting your job and these sorts of things at
a time like this, I mean, this is not even a small thing, you know, just to let it passed.
(49:35):
And it's also not such a trivial thing that I think people need to worry about
being like left high and dry because, you know, they went down some crazy routes. It's pretty clear.
It is pretty clear. And, you know, pick a battle.
Like if this isn't for you, like, we have a few battles in this country that
(49:57):
are really dramatically about to change our way of life.
And if we don't win all of them, it's not just this, it's the immigration front.
It's the, you know, the free speech.
It's the two way we have so much going on, like pick, pick one of them, get involved.
I mean, we, when we always grew up hearing these stories of our founding fathers
(50:17):
who sacrificed so much for what they, for,
for freedoms, you know, so that we could have these basic rights to live in,
in unencumbered by the government and raise our families the way we want. And again.
You know, we got really comfortable. We went on autopilot. Things were easy.
Well, they're not anymore. And we have to get uncomfortable and be the generation
(50:41):
that stands up and saves, you know, save this country.
For us, it's saving the children. That's our battle.
It's so true. This is not everybody's cup of tea, but there's places for everybody.
Buddy and so if you're thinking
you're sitting there listening and you're thinking to yourself you know
(51:01):
whatever little i'm gonna do won't matter won't be
noticed it won't be accepted or appreciated i mean those are the lies of a dark
place in yourself because as soon as you actually show up and you start to put
your voice to your beliefs people are going to rally around you and they're
(51:22):
going to appreciate you.
You're going to be inspiring people in unusual ways around every corner.
That's going to show you that just showing up is half the battle.
Absolutely. Absolutely. And get
in the fight, man. We gave a whole list of ways that are easy and hard.
Beginner level right up to expert level. Get in there, though.
(51:44):
We need everybody to wake up and put down their phones and get uncomfortable.
Get out of the sweatpants. Let's go. go yeah and people
are gonna pull you up to assist them
with stuff just because you showed up you know
you think that there's a lot of voices well there's not as
many consistent voices as you might think you know just watching the media so
(52:06):
well elena one more time give us your web address and how people can follow
you all right so go to please go to american groomer film.com i made the film free.
It's only 36 minutes. It's jam-packed. It's pretty fast.
And then on that website, American Groomer Film, you can find my social media
(52:26):
links where I mostly am known as the based mother.
And if you have any questions, you can contact me anywhere, but I'm pretty easy
to reach because I'm ready to team up.
Awesome. And for anybody who has any questions about Gays Against Groomers,
you can go to gaysagainstgroomers.com.
You can find us on on X on Insta. If you want to sponsor the program or donate,
(52:51):
go to gays against groomers.com.
And my name is Robert and you can email me if you have any questions,
comments, or concerns at Robert at gays against groomers.com.
Thanks again, Elena.
Thank you so much. What a, what a fun conversation. It's so great. Yes.
Yes. You're an amazing person to talk to. So thanks again for joining us. Thanks.
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