We Gave Up 9-5 Comfort to Build Something Real—And You Can Too.

We both had “good jobs.” Zach was a director in tech. Daniel had climbed from mailroom to senior product leader. But we knew something was missing.

In this episode, we share why we walked away from comfort, how many projects we failed at first, what finally clicked, and why it’s never too late to build something that actually matters.

We hope this gives courage to anyone feeling stuck—and clarity for those on the edge of taking their own leap.

🎧 Listen in, and if it resonates, share with someone on their own entrepreneurial path.

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⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Intro – why this episode matters 2:10 Zach’s first decade: science, startups, and self-employment 7:45 The power of not optimizing too early 14:00 Breaking away from sunk cost thinking 18:30 Zach’s “startup moment” in Denver 22:00 Daniel’s journey: from mailroom to product leadership 29:40 Taking the leap into entrepreneurship 34:00 Why chasing more money often leads to less happiness 42:00 Lessons from failed projects before Flash Quotes 49:00 Building Flash Quotes: falling in love with the problem 51:00 Why this work is so deeply fulfilling