June 10, 2025 • 57 mins
What if the freedom you’ve been chasing… isn’t actually freedom at all?
In this episode, Ashley sits down with spiritual teacher, truth-teller, and liberation guide Lauryn Henley to explore what it really means to live freely, from the inside out. Together, they discuss the difference between freedom and liberation, and why true freedom can’t exist without interdependence, belonging, and wholeness.
Lauryn shares how her journey from educator to spiritual leader revealed the deeper systems, both internal and collective, that keep many of us stuck in patterns of burnout, overgiving, and survival. She shares her framework for creating a life (and a world) where every being can thrive.
You’ll hear about:
- Why “freedom” as we know it isn’t enough
- What it means to live in interdependence
- The spiritual shift from force to power
- How codependency and hyperindividualism keep us disconnected
- The real work of building lives – and businesses – rooted in liberation
… and so much more!
Connect with Lauryn Henley:
Instagram @laurynhenley
LinkedIn Lauryn Henley
Connect with Ashley Logan:
Instagram @ashleydlogan
Website https://ashleydlogan.com/
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I checked every single box and I was so uncomfortable because I wasn't in my truth.
I had made thousands of micro compromises.
This is your permission slip to destroy all of that and to just be unapologetically whoyou're here to be.
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Hello and welcome to the Unapologetically Yours podcast.
I'm your host Ashley Logan and I am so happy to have you here today.
Unapologetically Yours is a podcast where we go deep on everything from spirituality torelationships, connection, business and belief systems, because in this world we've been
taught to play by a set of rules and those rules don't always belong to us.
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So um I'm here to help encourage you to ask questions and live.
a little unapologetically.
And the guest that I have here today is so special and important to me.
I'd like to introduce you to Ms.
Henley.
Lauren is a spiritual guide, a teacher, a conduit for Gaia, conduit for the divine, and atruth-teller, freedom fighter.
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She is a unrelenting force.
for equality and for uh breaking the chains that bind so many of us.
Lauren, thank you so much for being here.
Thank you.
This is how I Thank you for that introduction.
Yeah, I think I'm just in this place right now of observing how I'm seen and learning whoI am through the eyes of other people.
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Because I'm still piecing this.
this iteration of me together.
Yeah, I can relate to this in so many ways.
So Lauren, you used to be a principal at a school.
You've worn so many different hats in your life.
And as you've collected all of those pieces along the way, it helps make you who you aretoday.
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But, you know, like when we're kids growing up, it's like, I want to be a marinebiologist.
I want to be a veterinarian in this.
But it's like,
I want to be a spiritual guide to help usher in a new, like, there's not a roadmap for howto talk about the impact that you're making in people's lives or a job description.
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Yeah, you know, I've done a lot of work around what is my purpose and what are my valuesand what's the world I want to create and wanting to have an integrated life where,
whether I'm with my family and the holidays or raising my son.
or working with a client, it's not different.
In a world of like, what's your brand or what should your Instagram handle be?
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That's actually harder for me to kind of carve out.
But I would say that what's underneath all of it is liberation.
The liberation of all species, not just human species.
um The liberation of the earth.
That's what drives everything that I do.
I love the word liberation.
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It is so powerful.
so for people who don't yet know you, they're in for a treat because you've got somefucking wisdom to share.
so let's like break this down a little bit.
Liberation.
Why do we need to be liberated?
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Well, let me define it first.
I work in an organization right now called Lead for Liberation.
It's one of
many jobs and things that I do, my mentor, my boss there, Shana Renee Hammond, weco-created a definition of liberation that was very much influenced by her.
the definition that we give is it's the state of interdependence where we define successof the whole by the degree to which everyone can thrive, innovate, and experience
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belonging.
Sorry, can you just say that one more time?
Yeah.
is the state of interdependence where we define success by the degree to which every beingcan thrive, innovate and experience belonging.
Yeah, it's loaded.
It is loaded.
And really, once we defined it that way, I would have said my value is freedom, freedom issuch an individually focused word for me and in our culture.
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And a lot of people define it by being able to do whatever they want.
And I don't think that's the freedom that is going to serve us now and in the future.
I think that we have to redefine success by is what I want going to allow others, otherspecies to thrive, innovate and experience belonging, other people, other groups that are
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different than me.
And how do we live in a state of interdependence?
Which when I ask people
and talk to them about interdependence.
There isn't even a vision in our culture of interdependence.
What we have a vision of is either codependence or hyperindividualism.
Yeah, that's so true.
And interdependence is where people can experience wholeness and agency and individuality,but also honor their dependency around a group.
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I think the best example is like a 12-step room, if you've ever been in a 12-step room.
there's this really beautiful way that no matter who you are, if you're a CEO makingmillions of dollars, you're still gonna make the coffee, put out the chairs, or run the
meeting.
You put aside your personality and all your kind of things that you're so tied to forwhat's best for the group.
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But not in a sacrificial way.
In a sub way of service.
Yeah, and we're just in a place where so few people are even connected to their ownwholeness.
that service even feels like a threat because you have to have wholeness individually toexperience interdependence.
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And so we definitely have a road and a bridge to get there, but I'm passionate abouttrying to create that vision in my own life and also start to like map it and define it
and break it down and say like, this is how you would run your business and this is howyou might.
raise your child and this is how you might be in relationship with your partner if youwere honoring liberation and interdependence.
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What's coming up for me are a couple of different things.
One, our relationship with the animals in our own subdivision and how people see a coyoteand they freak out.
But there's where they have to go anymore.
Or how we're treating bees and our
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plants for pesticides and all of those things where it's like, shit, that has such aripple effect.
And like the liberation of my fear of bees, I'm not afraid of bees, but then impacts somany other things.
But the part about service, I am such a giver, like that is something like I would giveand give and give and give and give, but that became so weaponized and treat like,
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If I wanted to care for someone and nurture someone, I think this was a big piece of thefeminine experience that that became a then instead of serve this servant and this
expectation without the gratitude, it doesn't feel as fulfilling and nurturing to do thenurturing as maybe it did in one point in time because it's not valued because again,
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people are not connected and been so individualized.
Yeah, and I think another piece of it that's important, we say like, you can't solve aproblem with the same consciousness that you use to create it.
And you can give from any consciousness, you know, you can receive from any consciousness.
And when I talk about consciousness to make it really simple, what I use as a reference isthis, it's called the map of consciousness by David R.
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Hawkins.
And he basically studied for 21 years the relationship between people's kinesiology,
and their emotional state and their energetic field.
And then he mapped all of our emotions.
The lowest is shame.
There's a book called Power Versus Force.
And he found that when we were in emotions like shame and even anger, but also um grief,apathy, the body went weak.
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And he called it force, that it was almost like a force was pushing down.
When we got into courage, acceptance, um
and it goes up and up, that the bodies actually started to access their own power.
And so, you know, what we find, that's what I was talking about, like we live in acodependent relational culture where em there's like either a very avoidant kind of
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polarity or a very dependent polarity and that polarity is pulling and it's all happeningin that force vibration.
and from a lot of victim consciousness.
And so that's why when we talk about interdependence intellectually, it's actually likesuch an alchemy of ourselves that has to happen in order to be available for that type of
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reality.
So I think about the work that you're doing in the world.
And so how are you helping people become more aware of their role?
in this lower vibration victim mindset, either codependent or?
Yeah, it's kind of emerging in like three parts, is what I'm seeing.
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So first is supporting an individual, and then I'm supporting a lot of like partnershipsand relationships in that way.
And then the work I've always done is supporting teams and organizations.
And so I'm seeing it kind of merging through that and
The individual work is, I call it like the ABCs of this because, you know, I believe that90 % of people aren't even able to feel their own emotional states, much less identify
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their consciousness.
It takes so much personal emotional intelligence in order to be relational becauseultimately everyone is you.
And so you're being relational with yourself.
and parts of yourself that you probably don't know exist and a lot of times don't want toknow that exists.
So I start teaching people first to identify when they're triggered and how to go intothat trigger and to find the memories or the programs, whatever it is that is actually
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causing them to project that out onto their reality and to ultimately realize that theyhave the agency to change whatever it is they're experiencing by changing.
their own consciousness.
And that is the most courageous journey.
But most of us like are in already in partnerships or raising kids or working with humansevery single day.
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And so then the complications that arise when you have so many humans trying to interactin ways that are supposed to be relational, but the culture has set up as non-relational,
then there's not the emotional intelligence.
It's just, is.
It is a disaster right now, you know?
And I say that with like so much compassion because most of us could write a resume fasterthan we could like share something vulnerable with someone that we care about or know how
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to deal with conflict.
We could get a job, but we're not teaching people how to be in relationship withthemselves and others.
And so...
And then from there, how do we set up the conditions?
Because we're in energetic relational containers and those containers, if you don'tconsciously create the conditions, unconsciously get created.
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And then that just, it's just a uh snowball.
But I'm so curious about like, what's at stake right now?
And how did we get here?
What's at stake?
So, you know, one of my first
really intense spiritual activations.
I connected to a future memory of myself, maybe like 4,000 years in the future where I wasliving in a world where there was no life planets that were still alive.
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There were like a couple of trees in a museum.
People were mainly like technology and cyborgs with like a little bit of organic skin.
So what's at stake is
truly timelines where not only does this planet not exist and humans don't exist, but lifedoesn't exist.
And how did we get here is a very complex question that I'm trying to think about themost.
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When we sign up to go into a body, onto a planet or into a life, we sign up to, you know,it's just like,
I know you live where you live.
You sign up to pay taxes.
You sign up for the agreements that have been in that town.
You weren't a part of creating them, you know?
And we signed up to continue a journey that humanity started, you know, for some peoplethink thousands of years ago, others millions, depending on, you know, what storyline you
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believe, but it's just been a journey of, um,
Fighting for power over this world is really, and those in power learn how to keep othersin the margins and away from that power and keeping us out of our bodies, ensuring that we
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breaking down our relationships, keeping us like overworked and exhausted is a really goodway to hold power over a collective.
What resonates with me?
so much is like, I know that I'm here as a defender of Gaia.
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Like I am so deeply connected to.
Right, you are.
Yeah.
Yeah, you are.
feel like you, my experience of you is that, you know, we all hold memories.
I think the greatest collateral that we have is our memories.
And, you know, just
for people listening, like in my world, there's no doubt that we're eternal, that we livemultiple lives, and that we're not just holding memories from this lifetime, and that our
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memories are being controlled as well.
So my experience of you is that you, consciously and unconsciously, have memories of atime where there was more flow and peace and interdependence, more honoring of the Divine
Mother on this planet.
and part of you is here to hold those memories because so many of them have been deleted.
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And our work together helped me to uncover the things that I knew since I was a littlegirl, but then was conditioned.
You know, life and the things and the human experience, it's easy to doubt when you don'thave someone holding up a mirror.
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Whatever is the majority rules, like it's just that simple.
And if you're born into a culture where you don't see who you are internally reflectedaround you, you just assume that that's not who you're supposed to be or there's something
wrong with that.
And you start to teach yourself and train yourself to fit in with the dominant culturebecause what other choices do you have?
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Right.
And when one of the things that is in ourselves as human beings is
to be part of a tribe, to be part of a community.
And I think that fear of abandonment, that fear of being kicked out of the group is,that's innate.
The experience that I've had with you is that I do remember and hold something in me forhow something should be or could be.
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And then...
sort of set me on a path of like, need to talk about it.
Right.
And I think, you know, asking like what I, think one of the things that I'm doing ishelping people remember, connect, you know, body, mind and soul, rather than, you know,
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personality.
Our bodies do not get their needs met.
We experienced some kinds of levels of trauma, micro or macro.
We disassociate from our bodies, our souls disconnect from our bodies.
And then our personalities take over to drive the spaceship um without what I think is thesoul to be in the body and to be driving the spaceship, but it's not safe.
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They don't know how to drive it, all these things.
And so individually, I'm helping people truly remember and bring back all the parts of whothey are into this life.
and remember the blueprint that they came here.
I use the metaphor of the video game all the time.
I'm like, we designed a game to play and we came in and then there's like amnesia.
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You don't remember why you came or maybe you have glimpses of it or going back to thatdominant culture, you don't have any vision of that possibility and then you shut all of
these things down.
And I just think we're in a time where we really need people to remember.
who they are.
So how did you know that you had this gift that you could help people to remember?
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How did you know that about yourself?
I didn't, honestly.
I'm starting to really fully come into all of who I am.
What I don't want to lose is the path that I took to get here.
And I want everyone who I ever talk to to know that I can only talk about anything or knowanything because I got my ass handed to me over and over and over again.
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And...
every kind of social rejection, pain, suffering, addiction, trauma that you can name, I'vetasted some version of that, you know, at some point in my life.
And I thought I was broken.
Like I walked around in the world like I am broken.
Now, the one through line for me, no matter what, like I had this really confrontationalexperience with race in high school.
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I got really angry and passionate about ending racism, which is a very naive thing for a20 year old white girl to think, but it put me on a path.
so I was, you know, I was working on the West side of Chicago for 20 years.
I was a principal by the time I was 30.
I was teaching school at a time I was 20.
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That version of me was a freedom fighter, was so mission focused and she's always been.
a part of me, know, pulling me forward no matter what, all these other things.
And then I would say like my son, I got pregnant unexpectedly when I was, how old was I,23.
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And at the time my parents disowned me, like it was a total nightmare.
Now, literally the catalyst for everything in my life, like he was the invitation for meto.
fracture, okay, this is who my world growing up and I grew up in the South, in the RedneckRiviera.
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This is your permission slip to destroy all of that because it's getting destroyed anywayand to just be unapologetically who you're here to be.
so that, but then I had to face the trauma, the addiction, all these layers.
that were in the way of that.
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I was also very religious.
was raised very Christian.
I just basically had, destroyed that.
Everything had to be destroyed in my journey.
I don't think that has to be true for other people, but that was the path that was truefor me.
And then once I cleared all that out, then it was like, okay, how do I wanna rebuild thisbody?
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How do I wanna rebuild
this consciousness, who am I here to be?
What values do I want to align to?
What's my code going to be now that I have, you know, deleted everything that isn't me?
I'm sitting here like picturing 22 year old Lauren walking through the world thinkingshe's broken.
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Yeah.
And how many people out there who are so gifted and are walking around thinking thatthey're broken and like my eyes are all welled up because
It's just not true.
Yeah, that empathy, I can almost feel that part of me like feeling so seen, you know?
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And I don't ever want to forget her and I don't want to forget how much she struggled justto get through the day.
She just couldn't make sense of life.
She couldn't even, how do I pay bills?
How do I clean my laundry?
How do I raise a kid and have a job?
And much less, how do I build a business?
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you know, make millions of dollars or whatever it is that people I see people aspire to.
Like I couldn't even do the basics.
I was actually a victim, which is different from victim consciousness.
And like, I just believe that life was happening to me and I couldn't imagine that life ishappening for me.
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And I couldn't imagine that all of this that is happening is a reflection of all of theselike generational trauma, conditioning.
and trauma in my body.
was loaded into the system before I really had agency to choose for myself.
Right?
And so it was just, and that's what gives me the heart for whoever I serve because I wasthem.
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People are like, oh, I don't know.
I'm sorry.
I'm so emotional.
Or I know this is so crazy.
Or know, and I'm like, if you could shock me, if you could outdo me, I would be veryimpressed.
And I have yet to find that.
It's like you're given put into this really complex video game nobody taught you how toplay it and everything that could possibly be in place for you to lose is Is there and
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then you blame yourself that you're not being successful in the game?
And the part that of course stands out to me is like here you were you created life withyour fucking body you
made a human, shows me how much has been lost in our culture, that you didn't feel seenand celebrated as the mother.
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it was all like...
I have so many rituals in my body around motherhood and they keep coming, Lauren.
I can't wait till you're in the place where you're fully teaching that and...
Like makes me want to do a ritual of healing around you, like around all of the sacred actof motherhood and the fact that it's just like, you know, not celebrated.
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Well, I had a big healing around it because I think you know my sister had a baby thisyear.
Yes, congrats.
Yes.
she's such an angel.
And my sister is like, did like everything for like birthing at home and
I mean, basically the most aligned values aligned, like life aligned, body aligned,everything you can imagine.
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And I was like, I remember them asking me, what is a birth plan?
What my birth plan was?
And I was like, to go to the hospital?
Like, what do mean a birth plan?
Like no idea, you know, what was the potential, what was possible?
And then going and I was with my sister when she gave birth and...
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all of it, like that, was just a real full circle healing.
And there's been a lot of like forgiving myself about like what I, the birth that I wishthat I had had and that I wish Taylin had had.
And I do truly believe that the literally the birthing experience is one of, and the waywe do it and medicalize it is the number one way that the souls get separated from the
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bodies.
And
and that we're just spending the rest of our lives trying to recalibrate from that.
I do think there's obviously waves of parents doing this more more differently now, but.
Yeah, I agree with you.
And actually, Rebecca Campbell's new book talks all about this, and it's reallyinteresting.
It's been bringing up so much for me.
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What if we met our babies with the utmost ritual of love to say, thank you for being herewith me.
I love you.
and just how we receive them and understanding that it is an absolute miracle that we arehere in this room right now together, that our souls have met on this path at this exact
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time and that we found each other and we connected and that that is what every birth islike.
Holy shit.
I remember feeling that when...
Yeah, have you...
There's a couple of women around me that...
really were connected to that experience and understood how holy it was going to be.
And I just think that's something really special that you already knew.
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Yes, and it wasn't validated.
We have put all of this power in the masculine when it comes to birth for a long time asmale doctors and men telling us what pain we could tolerate and how we need to do it and
writing the rules for how much maternity leave and all the stuff that we get.
And if
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fucked us.
And then to experience it firsthand was one of the biggest disappointments that I waslike, holy shit.
Well, this is the paradox of like, for example, your blueprint, right?
The paradox is that you came here with the memories of a more Earth life aligned waybefore domination.
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you know, took over.
And you had to experience the effects of it.
So you, you designed, you, your higher self designed a life where you wouldn't have whatyou needed on purpose because that is going to be the fuel and the power that fuels you to
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create something different.
And when we can start to see our journey through that lens, we can forgive ourselves andforgive others and accept.
you know, me getting pregnant and all that.
That was the catalyst for everything that I am.
I have this spiritual partnership relationship that I've been on and off for 10 years.
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It's been the most excruciating, painful relationship that anyone could ever imagine.
It is everything that I have needed to fully activate in my power.
And I had this meditation recently where I was like, because my whole life,
One of the storylines was I never had a satisfying relationship.
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One of my first spiritual coaches was like, I get the impression you've never been wellloved by a man.
Like that's an understatement.
Anyway, I was having this meditation and the story of like, I need a partner, I'll neverhave a partner.
And I started feeling my grandmothers, my great grandmothers and their great grandmothers.
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And I was like, whoa.
those women, even my mom to some extent, would give anything for the life that I have.
I can do whatever the fuck I want.
Those women could not.
Those women had to get their husbands to sign for them to even have a bank account.
They had to clean up their house or do whatever because that's what was required of themin those roles.
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I don't have to do any of that.
And something changed in me and I...
Like partnership is beautiful if that's the path that you, but it's also a conditionedbelief that we need that, that is our identity to have that.
And I'm like, I am now finally at 42 creating the life that I most wanna live and I don'tneed another person to do that.
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And in fact, I don't know if I wanna share my giant king size bed with them.
a four or five bedroom house and like three of the bedrooms are dedicated to me.
I have a meditation room and I have an office.
I'm like, where's he gonna put his stuff?
uh You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
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my God.
But that vision, that picture of you, like the grandmother, my mother, and this is foreveryone listening, look at this.
Look at it.
We criticize.
the previous generation for what they didn't do.
But fuck, they did so much for us.
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They survived.
For us to be here, to be free, to be connected, to be wearing whatever we want, to bedoing what we want, talking about what we want.
And I think my mother, okay, raised her choices were be a flight attendant, be a nurse, goto home ec.
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This was...
She's 70.
know?
m then her mom, the choice was teacher or nurse.
Home ec.
That's it.
Her mother.
No work.
Keep the home, raise five daughters.
Her mother.
Yep.
So yeah, there's so many different ways to look at it.
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But ultimately, like I am choosing to see how life is for me and that if I didn't design alife
to have a partner or get married.
It must have been the highest and best design for what I'm here to do and how I'm here tolive.
It's another way of decolonizing because we create so much lack from looking at otherpeople's realities that they came here to create and then thinking we should have that too
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or we shouldn't have that.
And then the next level is, okay, I wanna create a world.
Now, will this world I create,
keep other people from creating the world they want to create?
Or will it encourage and expand the number of people that can thrive, innovate, andexperience belonging on the planet, right?
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And if your world, for example, creates tons of pollution, it could be emotionalpollution, it could be physical pollution, then you're creating a world that's
that is not interdependent with all the other worlds and all the other people creatingworlds.
Style is even an expression of that.
Like, why wouldn't I wear a dragon play suit with a highlighter color coat to Starbucks?
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Well, because if I really honest, like, it's gonna stand out.
It doesn't fit with the norms.
That's the norms of a world that I didn't, I wasn't part of creating.
That may not be the world that I want to be a part of.
So even when you dress a certain way, you're saying like, this is in my world, this is howwe look.
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I love that.
It's like this comes down to the rules that were created by other people and that we don'thave to follow.
We don't have to follow them.
And that's what liberation is.
But first you have to wake up to the rules.
Most of the rules are so unspoken and so quiet and so accepted that if you were to asksomeone, they wouldn't even know.
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my God.
Yeah.
Why are we doing these things?
Like this was a big thing.
Like when you were talking earlier about like the state of consciousness, why don't wetalk about a little bit about what I was like when we first met?
what's your perception of what you were like?
Well, I mean, I think that I think I was someone who was
you know, like knew that there was something in me and wasn't sure how to unlock it.
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And I think that I was less free, like so only to.
Yeah, I wrote what I'm trying to tap into, like that first call we had.
You had been fully followed the path that had been laid out before you about the partner,the life, the job you had.
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adapted all of the master's tools basically to be successful in that.
And there was this other part of you waking up and you were so anxious and uncomfortablein your own skin because you were out of integrity with yourself in so many areas because
you're like, okay, this is not the life that I think I'm supposed to be living, but Idon't know how to get out of this life to start to create that life.
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Right.
I had built them.
multi-seven figure business.
had married the guy.
I had moved in the affluent suburb.
I had had the children in rapid fire.
I checked every single box, every box for what a successful woman in Western civilization.
And I was so uncomfortable because I wasn't in my truth.
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I had made thousands of micro compromises.
And then when we were connected, I was like,
ah I didn't know.
How do you get out?
And I'm to go on a quick tangent here for a second.
There's so much out there about how white women cost a sea election and all of thesethings.
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And white women don't have necessarily the tribe built in, don't have um the uh cut anddry path for untangling from the patriarchy.
And that's exactly what I had to do was untangle.
Well, can I say something about that?
I could talk about like, obviously the race thing and all that for its own podcast.
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I know.
But in this current setup, our oppressors are the men.
Yes.
The way that you stay safe in oppression is either you like run and hide and isolate oryou get really good at keeping the oppressor happy or
following the rules of your oppressor.
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And so white women are the least likely to wake up around it because they are so entangledwith it.
And if we asked most people to say, is patriarchy?
How does it show up in your day-to-day life?
What it really is to be a woman versus what you've been programmed to be through the lensof patriarchy, it's invisible.
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If it's invisible, I can't become aware of it.
I can't break it down.
I can't say, no, I want this or I don't want this, right?
To be able to elect Donald Trump, in my opinion, with the traits of toxic masculinity thathe, under any conditions, to choose that means that there's a level of patriarchal control
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and conditioning because it's so normalized for us to accept those characteristics buttrust
that they're gonna lead the family or that they're gonna make the money.
Still within that, we hold a certain level of privilege that we're just above, generallyspeaking, being really destroyed by the impact.
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You see what I'm saying?
So as white women, if we stay in that, if we support that patriarchy, we still get to livein like some safety and privilege by supporting that.
But people of color, immigrants, like,
queer folks, trans folks, like they don't have some of the, they can't check the boxes totry to stay on that line of power and privilege.
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They don't even have that option.
And so that's why white women get so colluded with this system.
The entanglement is so deep.
And I think it's deeply painful.
And what's at stake, and you experienced this, is
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is your whole life.
Your whole reality.
Your whole reality.
So it's like, you know, obviously part of my work I do is I work with white bodies to wakeup and decolonize.
And most it's like it's basically asking someone to go through pain that's not going tobenefit them, but is going to benefit other people.
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And that's why white consciousness is so resistant to waking up.
The level of like personal disruption.
personal responsibility, the grief that you have to feel for what each individual hasco-signed with.
It's more than most people are willing to choose at this time.
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And I think unfortunately because of that, then we've had collectively chosen anotherroute, which is now we're going to have to all face the collective consequences of this
consciousness through
being a part of war, poverty, the stock market crash, lack of food and resources.
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All the things that are coming are because we chose to collectively wake up instead ofreally to individually wake up.
Going back to when we met, I think this is the thing that felt so scary.
How dare I ask for more?
How dare I examine this?
How dare I look at that I'm...
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so disconnected that I feel so out of alignment.
And any other person, any white person, any person of privilege would be like, what thefuck are you doing?
The more you continue to become unapologetically yourself, the more misunderstood, themore rejection.
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And that's the part that I feel in you that's always hurting and always wanting to be seenand understood.
While she deserves that.
it's part of the choice to be liberated, It's because we are a small minority waking up ina collective majority.
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We just may not get that justice in this lifetime, you know?
But where we find the justice is in our circles and in the people that do see us and inthe people that do reflect back to us the same values, you know?
And the more that I have
in the last couple years built those circles and those circles have arrived.
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I realized that also part of growing up in the culture I grew up with was constantnegative projection that I internalized.
And now I've created a life surrounded by people who positively project.
They see my best qualities instead of my worst qualities.
Like I said, I'm learning to believe.
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right, these positive projections and learning.
And also, you know, one of my biggest intentions over the last five years has been that myouter life would match my inner life because I was doing all this inner work, but if you
kind of like looked at my just day to day, it didn't match.
And at the end of the day, I just want to be an integrity in all areas, you know, and Iwant my inner and outer world to match.
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And so when people reflect back to me more of who I know myself to be internally,
then I'm like, okay, I'm in integrity with who I am.
If people are reflecting back something different, then there's something that needs toadjust.
It may be inside of me, it may be the circles.
But I just think specifically for you, because this is coming up for you, is like, yougotta keep calling in.
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Well, one, heal the part of you that's been rejected, because she keeps calling inrejection to try to be seen.
And you actually need to heal her so that you can call in the people that see you as youreally are and stop calling in the rejection, you know?
And have circles that are holding you in that way.
It's so interesting.
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the, just the pathway of noticing the patterns, noticing the people and when you createspace for.
the right people to come in, how different it feels.
It's a whole different reality.
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it's an amazing, amazing thing.
And they're seeing your most authentic self.
That's the other thing too.
Like, still floors me that like, I can dress like this and have these conversations and bethe most weird.
And this isn't like a tenth of my weird.
and have people be like, oh my God, I love hanging out with you.
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It's like, Lauren 10 years ago, Lauren 20 years ago, would never ever, you know, Icouldn't even be with those parts of myself, you know?
I thought I have to be, you know, 120 pounds and like very sexy.
Like that's what matters around like being seen.
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And really I only care about being seen by men.
women, they're okay.
You know, it's like this, which is all at the end of the day, like patriarchy and theconditioning of a culture that puts women so low on the totem pole and has such low value.
I feel like that is the core wound that
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Right.
You're holding the wound of the mother, right?
And Gaia, as a planetary consciousness, has felt that rejection.
I have had, you know, deep meditation experiences where I even felt her.
My betrayal that I was feeling in my life was the same betrayal that Gaia feels abouthumans and bodies that she helped create, destroying her and destroying her people, right?
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So it's actually such a gift to connect to that.
And you want to have the consciousness to not let it create your whole reality at the sametime.
know, it's just, that's the paradox is like our wound is our greatest gift.
And how do we hold it in a way that helps us to like have compassion and empathy andunderstanding, but not uh keep creating the wound over and over.
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Right.
Have you ever worked with someone?
that wasn't holding a gift or holding something that was going to contribute to thegreater good.
No.
Never.
I mean, I would even say as a principal with students and kids and every year, like mymost difficult student, whether I was a principal or a teacher, I had this commitment, I'm
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going to love them the most.
I'm going to learn how to be in relationship with them.
And those are the kids I still think about.
I still follow on Facebook and they had
something just so unique that they were bringing and an offering that they have, you know,like we, it's like we all have an offering to give and it's usually way more wild and way
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more unique than anything you could ever imagine.
And it's just like, how much are you going to let it come out?
I think that that's the magical piece.
I think that's the thing is that every single person on this planet is here.
for a reason with a gift, with something to offer.
And if you continue to play by the rules, follow the very specific template that wascreated to keep us in oppression, to keep us from connecting to And oppressing others.
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You know, and it's ironic because in my life and as a teacher and all that, you love agood template, right?
It is helpful.
It's helpful that someone can kind of
give you some guidelines, right?
But when those templates become bars, you know, when they become prisons, then now it'snot a template anymore.
It's not a choice.
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It's become the way that things have to be.
And when you're starting then to use police brutality and organized violence and all typesof things to hold people within those bars and within those rules, you know, that we are
far, far away from.
what this place was to be.
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It was a place to come and create and to explore and experience and ultimately to bringall these, I believe, like species from all over the cosmos into a body, into a similar
system to get to know one another.
think diversity and interdependence was the whole name of the game to begin with.
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And then something else.
you know, as it does when power and control and fear start to get in the mix, you start toseparate, you start to divide, you start to protect.
And so, you know, the level of courage that's required to be free, and that's why I don'thave judgment about those that don't choose it.
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I don't have judgment of people who stay in those bars because I do understand and
If someone had told me what was required of me, I would never have chosen it.
You know, I feel like I got dragged through my evolution until now I'm at the side whereI'm like getting to enjoy it.
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It's not simple and it's not easy and there, really almost has to be a calling thatthere's something inside of me that so wants to be birthed and so wants to exist here that
whatever I'm going through,
whatever is asked of me must be worth it.
I think it is worth it.
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I know you do.
And I just want to honor how much courage you've expressed in this year alone.
I mean, we've only really known each other a year, haven't we?
A year and a half.
I mean, since I met you till now, you just keep bulldozing ahead and...
with a smile on your face and with love and you bring joy, you still access your joythrough it all.
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you you are choosing it.
You need more people honoring and reflecting back to you all that you are choosing and howcourageous you are and have been.
It was a really cool experience because as I was, gratitude is such an important part ofthe journey.
It always has been.
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nightly prayers.
think it helps us focus on the ways that life is working for our highest good versusagainst us.
And I had the chance to like think about all of the people this last year who have shownup for me in ways big and small.
And I wanted to make a gift for them.
And I just gave you yours.
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But it was over 40 people.
Wow.
That's beautiful.
Who like, I don't know, like
It's just like there's so much love.
There's so much beauty.
There's so much All the time.
Yeah.
All the time.
So and we just choose where you put your awareness.
What are you putting your awareness on in each moment?
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Exactly.
I could have like we all as the collective can focus on the fear when you focus on thelove.
You focus on the gratitude and that vibration.
Those emotions that are at the higher level not getting smooshed, lifting.
That's like, that can give any one person who's like, gosh, I've got this feeling insideof me.
I've got this thing I want to access, but I don't know how to do it.
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Focus on the love.
Find your Lauren, who's going to look at you and be like, I love you.
I got you.
I'm not going to judge you.
I've seen it all.
Give it to me, baby.
And give it to her.
Because then what happens after that is a ripple.
A ripple that can bring you back into alignment.
We're like,
I'm not itching to get out of my skin.
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feel comfortable in my skin.
I feel connected to my body.
Like all of this was started by meeting you.
Wild.
And that wasn't that long ago.
I mean, I talk about paradoxes all the time because I think we have to be able to hold inthis new consciousness for interdependence, we have to be able to hold multiple things
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that seem.
opposite as true at the same time, right?
Which is like, we have to be able to be loved and hold all of that.
And then the same time we have to face our shadow, we have to be willing to feel thefeelings that we don't wanna feel, right?
We have to be accountable.
And usually in all of these polarities or paradoxes, we have a preference of a side.
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I was on the side where I didn't like taking responsibility.
I liked feeling sorry for myself.
I liked blaming other people.
At some point I actually got addicted to if this is my responsibility, if I have to cleanthis up, like that's too much.
You know what I mean?
So you eventually some of that victim consciousness is just an avoidance of like what itwould be like if I really had to face that this is all me doing this, right?
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And then some people over, over, over do that.
and they need to access more their victim and let themself cry and be like, okay, honey,you went through a hard time and we're proud of you that you picked up your bootstraps and
you kept going, you've muscled through, but now you've cut off all your emotions andyou're stoic and we can't find you anymore.
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Like you can fall on the floor and lose your shit if you need to or beat the shit out ofsomething.
You know, it's just like, where do we fall on these paradoxes and are we willing to leanmore?
to the side that is less comfortable.
All right, so one last question for you.
Okay.
What are you doing to show up in the world unapologetically?
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I mean, I think everything.
I will say like I'm coming out of like two or three years of what I call my hermit yearswhere I, my self-esteem was really low, especially about my physical self.
I was so scared to take risks, like all these things.
I just had just too much heartbreak for like one person for a while and I needed to gowithin.
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And so I'm re-exploring and I shout out Tali Kogan and all just, have a wholeconstellation of so many women.
like, could list and list and list the number of women that hold me and support me, butTali is a stylist who I know you know, and she sees you, really sees you and.
she's been seeing me now for like a few years.
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And so her helping me connect back to my style, because that's always actually been suchan important thing to me.
And I like for two or three years, like was wearing like monochrome, hiding like, youknow, giant sweatsuits and all these things.
there's risks involved, right?
To some degree and.
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I do a lot of things that are risky and I'm willing to do them, have been willing to dothem behind closed doors and I'm coming forward and choosing to do that more publicly and
to see what that's like and what that feels like.
I can see that.
Like I can see how you're lit up and there's like a new ease.
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um you.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Thank you for seeing me.
Thank you for seeing me.
Such a gift to be seen.
It is.
It's one of the greatest, it's probably the number one thing, reason we keep choosing tobe human.
Because a body and eyeballs will allow you to see and be seen if you let it.
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Well, how can people, do you want people to find you?
Are you ready?
If you Are ready to come out?
Okay, let me just say I have an Instagram and it's public.
But if you look at it, it'll just be my pictures of my dogs and my son and my vacations.
But if you want to DM me, it's Lauren Hindley on Instagram, laurenwithay.
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My email is laurenhindley at Gmail.
I don't have a website.
I just can't decide if I even want these things.
Like can't decide yet if they're in alignment for me, but I know that the right peoplewill find me and I'm happy for them to email me and Instagram me and all the things.
I just haven't decided yet if I want to be like branded, you know, and have all that.
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I'm not saying anything's wrong with it.
It's just I have, I can't do it until I feel like this is, this is it for me.
So I, and I, just have had the experience that just like finding you, I mean, it was justvery weird and, you know, kind of out of left field, like all the right people.
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arrive.
And so I absolutely would want anyone who resonated with this conversation and wants tolearn more or feels called to talk to me for whatever reason to you can DM me on Instagram
or email me at gmail.
I'm so bad that we had this time together.
We covered a ton of super celestial, galactic, spiritual, thoughtful territory.
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But I think the main takeaway is that we are all connected.
It takes courage in this life.
on this planet to be your full self.
it's never, you've never been safer to be your full self.
Right, a paradox.
A paradox.
And it's essential.
And if you feel that little nudge in your soul that there's more for you, there is.
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The path might be hard.
The path might be hard.
You might burn some shit.
And that part's hard.
But the vibration...
Right, the experience of freedom and peace on the other side is something that isinvaluable.
It's priceless.
And it's the thing that is being stolen from us.
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truly say that the light, I have so much more to learn and learning and growing and beinghuman is not a destination.
You don't arrive at some point.
It's part of it to keep learning, taking and keep assessing where you fit in the balanceof things.
But being in that higher vibration, worth it.
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It's worth it.
So thank you so much for tuning in.
This is Lauren Henley.
She's amazing.
She looks cool as shit.
Dress is cool as shit and she is cool as shit.
Great person to be around and thank you for being on.
And um remember to like, follow, subscribe, leave a review, all the things.
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And if you've got comments or want to.
reach me for any reason, um Ashley D.
Logan, my website, AshleyDLogan.com or at Unapologetically Yours podcast.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
Until next time, I'm Ashley, this is Lauren and we are unapologetically yours.
I checked every single box and I was so uncomfortable because I wasn't in my truth.
I had made thousands of micro compromises.
This is your permission slip to destroy all of that and to just be unapologetically whoyou're here to be.
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Hello and welcome to the Unapologetically Yours podcast.
I'm your host Ashley Logan and I am so happy to have you here today.
Unapologetically Yours is a podcast where we go deep on everything from spirituality torelationships, connection, business and belief systems, because in this world we've been
taught to play by a set of rules and those rules don't always belong to us.
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So um I'm here to help encourage you to ask questions and live.
a little unapologetically.
And the guest that I have here today is so special and important to me.
I'd like to introduce you to Ms.
Henley.
Lauren is a spiritual guide, a teacher, a conduit for Gaia, conduit for the divine, and atruth-teller, freedom fighter.
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She is a unrelenting force.
for equality and for uh breaking the chains that bind so many of us.
Lauren, thank you so much for being here.
Thank you.
This is how I Thank you for that introduction.
Yeah, I think I'm just in this place right now of observing how I'm seen and learning whoI am through the eyes of other people.
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Because I'm still piecing this.
this iteration of me together.
Yeah, I can relate to this in so many ways.
So Lauren, you used to be a principal at a school.
You've worn so many different hats in your life.
And as you've collected all of those pieces along the way, it helps make you who you aretoday.
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But, you know, like when we're kids growing up, it's like, I want to be a marinebiologist.
I want to be a veterinarian in this.
But it's like,
I want to be a spiritual guide to help usher in a new, like, there's not a roadmap for howto talk about the impact that you're making in people's lives or a job description.
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Yeah, you know, I've done a lot of work around what is my purpose and what are my valuesand what's the world I want to create and wanting to have an integrated life where,
whether I'm with my family and the holidays or raising my son.
or working with a client, it's not different.
In a world of like, what's your brand or what should your Instagram handle be?
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That's actually harder for me to kind of carve out.
But I would say that what's underneath all of it is liberation.
The liberation of all species, not just human species.
um The liberation of the earth.
That's what drives everything that I do.
I love the word liberation.
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It is so powerful.
so for people who don't yet know you, they're in for a treat because you've got somefucking wisdom to share.
so let's like break this down a little bit.
Liberation.
Why do we need to be liberated?
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Well, let me define it first.
I work in an organization right now called Lead for Liberation.
It's one of
many jobs and things that I do, my mentor, my boss there, Shana Renee Hammond, weco-created a definition of liberation that was very much influenced by her.
the definition that we give is it's the state of interdependence where we define successof the whole by the degree to which everyone can thrive, innovate, and experience
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belonging.
Sorry, can you just say that one more time?
Yeah.
is the state of interdependence where we define success by the degree to which every beingcan thrive, innovate and experience belonging.
Yeah, it's loaded.
It is loaded.
And really, once we defined it that way, I would have said my value is freedom, freedom issuch an individually focused word for me and in our culture.
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And a lot of people define it by being able to do whatever they want.
And I don't think that's the freedom that is going to serve us now and in the future.
I think that we have to redefine success by is what I want going to allow others, otherspecies to thrive, innovate and experience belonging, other people, other groups that are
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different than me.
And how do we live in a state of interdependence?
Which when I ask people
and talk to them about interdependence.
There isn't even a vision in our culture of interdependence.
What we have a vision of is either codependence or hyperindividualism.
Yeah, that's so true.
And interdependence is where people can experience wholeness and agency and individuality,but also honor their dependency around a group.
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I think the best example is like a 12-step room, if you've ever been in a 12-step room.
there's this really beautiful way that no matter who you are, if you're a CEO makingmillions of dollars, you're still gonna make the coffee, put out the chairs, or run the
meeting.
You put aside your personality and all your kind of things that you're so tied to forwhat's best for the group.
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But not in a sacrificial way.
In a sub way of service.
Yeah, and we're just in a place where so few people are even connected to their ownwholeness.
that service even feels like a threat because you have to have wholeness individually toexperience interdependence.
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And so we definitely have a road and a bridge to get there, but I'm passionate abouttrying to create that vision in my own life and also start to like map it and define it
and break it down and say like, this is how you would run your business and this is howyou might.
raise your child and this is how you might be in relationship with your partner if youwere honoring liberation and interdependence.
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What's coming up for me are a couple of different things.
One, our relationship with the animals in our own subdivision and how people see a coyoteand they freak out.
But there's where they have to go anymore.
Or how we're treating bees and our
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plants for pesticides and all of those things where it's like, shit, that has such aripple effect.
And like the liberation of my fear of bees, I'm not afraid of bees, but then impacts somany other things.
But the part about service, I am such a giver, like that is something like I would giveand give and give and give and give, but that became so weaponized and treat like,
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If I wanted to care for someone and nurture someone, I think this was a big piece of thefeminine experience that that became a then instead of serve this servant and this
expectation without the gratitude, it doesn't feel as fulfilling and nurturing to do thenurturing as maybe it did in one point in time because it's not valued because again,
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people are not connected and been so individualized.
Yeah, and I think another piece of it that's important, we say like, you can't solve aproblem with the same consciousness that you use to create it.
And you can give from any consciousness, you know, you can receive from any consciousness.
And when I talk about consciousness to make it really simple, what I use as a reference isthis, it's called the map of consciousness by David R.
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Hawkins.
And he basically studied for 21 years the relationship between people's kinesiology,
and their emotional state and their energetic field.
And then he mapped all of our emotions.
The lowest is shame.
There's a book called Power Versus Force.
And he found that when we were in emotions like shame and even anger, but also um grief,apathy, the body went weak.
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And he called it force, that it was almost like a force was pushing down.
When we got into courage, acceptance, um
and it goes up and up, that the bodies actually started to access their own power.
And so, you know, what we find, that's what I was talking about, like we live in acodependent relational culture where em there's like either a very avoidant kind of
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polarity or a very dependent polarity and that polarity is pulling and it's all happeningin that force vibration.
and from a lot of victim consciousness.
And so that's why when we talk about interdependence intellectually, it's actually likesuch an alchemy of ourselves that has to happen in order to be available for that type of
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reality.
So I think about the work that you're doing in the world.
And so how are you helping people become more aware of their role?
in this lower vibration victim mindset, either codependent or?
Yeah, it's kind of emerging in like three parts, is what I'm seeing.
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So first is supporting an individual, and then I'm supporting a lot of like partnershipsand relationships in that way.
And then the work I've always done is supporting teams and organizations.
And so I'm seeing it kind of merging through that and
The individual work is, I call it like the ABCs of this because, you know, I believe that90 % of people aren't even able to feel their own emotional states, much less identify
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their consciousness.
It takes so much personal emotional intelligence in order to be relational becauseultimately everyone is you.
And so you're being relational with yourself.
and parts of yourself that you probably don't know exist and a lot of times don't want toknow that exists.
So I start teaching people first to identify when they're triggered and how to go intothat trigger and to find the memories or the programs, whatever it is that is actually
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causing them to project that out onto their reality and to ultimately realize that theyhave the agency to change whatever it is they're experiencing by changing.
their own consciousness.
And that is the most courageous journey.
But most of us like are in already in partnerships or raising kids or working with humansevery single day.
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And so then the complications that arise when you have so many humans trying to interactin ways that are supposed to be relational, but the culture has set up as non-relational,
then there's not the emotional intelligence.
It's just, is.
It is a disaster right now, you know?
And I say that with like so much compassion because most of us could write a resume fasterthan we could like share something vulnerable with someone that we care about or know how
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to deal with conflict.
We could get a job, but we're not teaching people how to be in relationship withthemselves and others.
And so...
And then from there, how do we set up the conditions?
Because we're in energetic relational containers and those containers, if you don'tconsciously create the conditions, unconsciously get created.
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And then that just, it's just a uh snowball.
But I'm so curious about like, what's at stake right now?
And how did we get here?
What's at stake?
So, you know, one of my first
really intense spiritual activations.
I connected to a future memory of myself, maybe like 4,000 years in the future where I wasliving in a world where there was no life planets that were still alive.
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There were like a couple of trees in a museum.
People were mainly like technology and cyborgs with like a little bit of organic skin.
So what's at stake is
truly timelines where not only does this planet not exist and humans don't exist, but lifedoesn't exist.
And how did we get here is a very complex question that I'm trying to think about themost.
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When we sign up to go into a body, onto a planet or into a life, we sign up to, you know,it's just like,
I know you live where you live.
You sign up to pay taxes.
You sign up for the agreements that have been in that town.
You weren't a part of creating them, you know?
And we signed up to continue a journey that humanity started, you know, for some peoplethink thousands of years ago, others millions, depending on, you know, what storyline you
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believe, but it's just been a journey of, um,
Fighting for power over this world is really, and those in power learn how to keep othersin the margins and away from that power and keeping us out of our bodies, ensuring that we
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breaking down our relationships, keeping us like overworked and exhausted is a really goodway to hold power over a collective.
What resonates with me?
so much is like, I know that I'm here as a defender of Gaia.
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Like I am so deeply connected to.
Right, you are.
Yeah.
Yeah, you are.
feel like you, my experience of you is that, you know, we all hold memories.
I think the greatest collateral that we have is our memories.
And, you know, just
for people listening, like in my world, there's no doubt that we're eternal, that we livemultiple lives, and that we're not just holding memories from this lifetime, and that our
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memories are being controlled as well.
So my experience of you is that you, consciously and unconsciously, have memories of atime where there was more flow and peace and interdependence, more honoring of the Divine
Mother on this planet.
and part of you is here to hold those memories because so many of them have been deleted.
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And our work together helped me to uncover the things that I knew since I was a littlegirl, but then was conditioned.
You know, life and the things and the human experience, it's easy to doubt when you don'thave someone holding up a mirror.
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Whatever is the majority rules, like it's just that simple.
And if you're born into a culture where you don't see who you are internally reflectedaround you, you just assume that that's not who you're supposed to be or there's something
wrong with that.
And you start to teach yourself and train yourself to fit in with the dominant culturebecause what other choices do you have?
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Right.
And when one of the things that is in ourselves as human beings is
to be part of a tribe, to be part of a community.
And I think that fear of abandonment, that fear of being kicked out of the group is,that's innate.
The experience that I've had with you is that I do remember and hold something in me forhow something should be or could be.
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And then...
sort of set me on a path of like, need to talk about it.
Right.
And I think, you know, asking like what I, think one of the things that I'm doing ishelping people remember, connect, you know, body, mind and soul, rather than, you know,
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personality.
Our bodies do not get their needs met.
We experienced some kinds of levels of trauma, micro or macro.
We disassociate from our bodies, our souls disconnect from our bodies.
And then our personalities take over to drive the spaceship um without what I think is thesoul to be in the body and to be driving the spaceship, but it's not safe.
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They don't know how to drive it, all these things.
And so individually, I'm helping people truly remember and bring back all the parts of whothey are into this life.
and remember the blueprint that they came here.
I use the metaphor of the video game all the time.
I'm like, we designed a game to play and we came in and then there's like amnesia.
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You don't remember why you came or maybe you have glimpses of it or going back to thatdominant culture, you don't have any vision of that possibility and then you shut all of
these things down.
And I just think we're in a time where we really need people to remember.
who they are.
So how did you know that you had this gift that you could help people to remember?
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How did you know that about yourself?
I didn't, honestly.
I'm starting to really fully come into all of who I am.
What I don't want to lose is the path that I took to get here.
And I want everyone who I ever talk to to know that I can only talk about anything or knowanything because I got my ass handed to me over and over and over again.
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And...
every kind of social rejection, pain, suffering, addiction, trauma that you can name, I'vetasted some version of that, you know, at some point in my life.
And I thought I was broken.
Like I walked around in the world like I am broken.
Now, the one through line for me, no matter what, like I had this really confrontationalexperience with race in high school.
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I got really angry and passionate about ending racism, which is a very naive thing for a20 year old white girl to think, but it put me on a path.
so I was, you know, I was working on the West side of Chicago for 20 years.
I was a principal by the time I was 30.
I was teaching school at a time I was 20.
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That version of me was a freedom fighter, was so mission focused and she's always been.
a part of me, know, pulling me forward no matter what, all these other things.
And then I would say like my son, I got pregnant unexpectedly when I was, how old was I,23.
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And at the time my parents disowned me, like it was a total nightmare.
Now, literally the catalyst for everything in my life, like he was the invitation for meto.
fracture, okay, this is who my world growing up and I grew up in the South, in the RedneckRiviera.
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This is your permission slip to destroy all of that because it's getting destroyed anywayand to just be unapologetically who you're here to be.
so that, but then I had to face the trauma, the addiction, all these layers.
that were in the way of that.
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I was also very religious.
was raised very Christian.
I just basically had, destroyed that.
Everything had to be destroyed in my journey.
I don't think that has to be true for other people, but that was the path that was truefor me.
And then once I cleared all that out, then it was like, okay, how do I wanna rebuild thisbody?
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How do I wanna rebuild
this consciousness, who am I here to be?
What values do I want to align to?
What's my code going to be now that I have, you know, deleted everything that isn't me?
I'm sitting here like picturing 22 year old Lauren walking through the world thinkingshe's broken.
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Yeah.
And how many people out there who are so gifted and are walking around thinking thatthey're broken and like my eyes are all welled up because
It's just not true.
Yeah, that empathy, I can almost feel that part of me like feeling so seen, you know?
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And I don't ever want to forget her and I don't want to forget how much she struggled justto get through the day.
She just couldn't make sense of life.
She couldn't even, how do I pay bills?
How do I clean my laundry?
How do I raise a kid and have a job?
And much less, how do I build a business?
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you know, make millions of dollars or whatever it is that people I see people aspire to.
Like I couldn't even do the basics.
I was actually a victim, which is different from victim consciousness.
And like, I just believe that life was happening to me and I couldn't imagine that life ishappening for me.
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And I couldn't imagine that all of this that is happening is a reflection of all of theselike generational trauma, conditioning.
and trauma in my body.
was loaded into the system before I really had agency to choose for myself.
Right?
And so it was just, and that's what gives me the heart for whoever I serve because I wasthem.
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People are like, oh, I don't know.
I'm sorry.
I'm so emotional.
Or I know this is so crazy.
Or know, and I'm like, if you could shock me, if you could outdo me, I would be veryimpressed.
And I have yet to find that.
It's like you're given put into this really complex video game nobody taught you how toplay it and everything that could possibly be in place for you to lose is Is there and
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then you blame yourself that you're not being successful in the game?
And the part that of course stands out to me is like here you were you created life withyour fucking body you
made a human, shows me how much has been lost in our culture, that you didn't feel seenand celebrated as the mother.
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it was all like...
I have so many rituals in my body around motherhood and they keep coming, Lauren.
I can't wait till you're in the place where you're fully teaching that and...
Like makes me want to do a ritual of healing around you, like around all of the sacred actof motherhood and the fact that it's just like, you know, not celebrated.
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Well, I had a big healing around it because I think you know my sister had a baby thisyear.
Yes, congrats.
Yes.
she's such an angel.
And my sister is like, did like everything for like birthing at home and
I mean, basically the most aligned values aligned, like life aligned, body aligned,everything you can imagine.
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And I was like, I remember them asking me, what is a birth plan?
What my birth plan was?
And I was like, to go to the hospital?
Like, what do mean a birth plan?
Like no idea, you know, what was the potential, what was possible?
And then going and I was with my sister when she gave birth and...
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all of it, like that, was just a real full circle healing.
And there's been a lot of like forgiving myself about like what I, the birth that I wishthat I had had and that I wish Taylin had had.
And I do truly believe that the literally the birthing experience is one of, and the waywe do it and medicalize it is the number one way that the souls get separated from the
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bodies.
And
and that we're just spending the rest of our lives trying to recalibrate from that.
I do think there's obviously waves of parents doing this more more differently now, but.
Yeah, I agree with you.
And actually, Rebecca Campbell's new book talks all about this, and it's reallyinteresting.
It's been bringing up so much for me.
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What if we met our babies with the utmost ritual of love to say, thank you for being herewith me.
I love you.
and just how we receive them and understanding that it is an absolute miracle that we arehere in this room right now together, that our souls have met on this path at this exact
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time and that we found each other and we connected and that that is what every birth islike.
Holy shit.
I remember feeling that when...
Yeah, have you...
There's a couple of women around me that...
really were connected to that experience and understood how holy it was going to be.
And I just think that's something really special that you already knew.
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Yes, and it wasn't validated.
We have put all of this power in the masculine when it comes to birth for a long time asmale doctors and men telling us what pain we could tolerate and how we need to do it and
writing the rules for how much maternity leave and all the stuff that we get.
And if
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fucked us.
And then to experience it firsthand was one of the biggest disappointments that I waslike, holy shit.
Well, this is the paradox of like, for example, your blueprint, right?
The paradox is that you came here with the memories of a more Earth life aligned waybefore domination.
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you know, took over.
And you had to experience the effects of it.
So you, you designed, you, your higher self designed a life where you wouldn't have whatyou needed on purpose because that is going to be the fuel and the power that fuels you to
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create something different.
And when we can start to see our journey through that lens, we can forgive ourselves andforgive others and accept.
you know, me getting pregnant and all that.
That was the catalyst for everything that I am.
I have this spiritual partnership relationship that I've been on and off for 10 years.
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It's been the most excruciating, painful relationship that anyone could ever imagine.
It is everything that I have needed to fully activate in my power.
And I had this meditation recently where I was like, because my whole life,
One of the storylines was I never had a satisfying relationship.
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One of my first spiritual coaches was like, I get the impression you've never been wellloved by a man.
Like that's an understatement.
Anyway, I was having this meditation and the story of like, I need a partner, I'll neverhave a partner.
And I started feeling my grandmothers, my great grandmothers and their great grandmothers.
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And I was like, whoa.
those women, even my mom to some extent, would give anything for the life that I have.
I can do whatever the fuck I want.
Those women could not.
Those women had to get their husbands to sign for them to even have a bank account.
They had to clean up their house or do whatever because that's what was required of themin those roles.
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I don't have to do any of that.
And something changed in me and I...
Like partnership is beautiful if that's the path that you, but it's also a conditionedbelief that we need that, that is our identity to have that.
And I'm like, I am now finally at 42 creating the life that I most wanna live and I don'tneed another person to do that.
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And in fact, I don't know if I wanna share my giant king size bed with them.
a four or five bedroom house and like three of the bedrooms are dedicated to me.
I have a meditation room and I have an office.
I'm like, where's he gonna put his stuff?
uh You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
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my God.
But that vision, that picture of you, like the grandmother, my mother, and this is foreveryone listening, look at this.
Look at it.
We criticize.
the previous generation for what they didn't do.
But fuck, they did so much for us.
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They survived.
For us to be here, to be free, to be connected, to be wearing whatever we want, to bedoing what we want, talking about what we want.
And I think my mother, okay, raised her choices were be a flight attendant, be a nurse, goto home ec.
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This was...
She's 70.
know?
m then her mom, the choice was teacher or nurse.
Home ec.
That's it.
Her mother.
No work.
Keep the home, raise five daughters.
Her mother.
Yep.
So yeah, there's so many different ways to look at it.
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But ultimately, like I am choosing to see how life is for me and that if I didn't design alife
to have a partner or get married.
It must have been the highest and best design for what I'm here to do and how I'm here tolive.
It's another way of decolonizing because we create so much lack from looking at otherpeople's realities that they came here to create and then thinking we should have that too
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or we shouldn't have that.
And then the next level is, okay, I wanna create a world.
Now, will this world I create,
keep other people from creating the world they want to create?
Or will it encourage and expand the number of people that can thrive, innovate, andexperience belonging on the planet, right?
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And if your world, for example, creates tons of pollution, it could be emotionalpollution, it could be physical pollution, then you're creating a world that's
that is not interdependent with all the other worlds and all the other people creatingworlds.
Style is even an expression of that.
Like, why wouldn't I wear a dragon play suit with a highlighter color coat to Starbucks?
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Well, because if I really honest, like, it's gonna stand out.
It doesn't fit with the norms.
That's the norms of a world that I didn't, I wasn't part of creating.
That may not be the world that I want to be a part of.
So even when you dress a certain way, you're saying like, this is in my world, this is howwe look.
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I love that.
It's like this comes down to the rules that were created by other people and that we don'thave to follow.
We don't have to follow them.
And that's what liberation is.
But first you have to wake up to the rules.
Most of the rules are so unspoken and so quiet and so accepted that if you were to asksomeone, they wouldn't even know.
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my God.
Yeah.
Why are we doing these things?
Like this was a big thing.
Like when you were talking earlier about like the state of consciousness, why don't wetalk about a little bit about what I was like when we first met?
what's your perception of what you were like?
Well, I mean, I think that I think I was someone who was
you know, like knew that there was something in me and wasn't sure how to unlock it.
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And I think that I was less free, like so only to.
Yeah, I wrote what I'm trying to tap into, like that first call we had.
You had been fully followed the path that had been laid out before you about the partner,the life, the job you had.
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adapted all of the master's tools basically to be successful in that.
And there was this other part of you waking up and you were so anxious and uncomfortablein your own skin because you were out of integrity with yourself in so many areas because
you're like, okay, this is not the life that I think I'm supposed to be living, but Idon't know how to get out of this life to start to create that life.
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Right.
I had built them.
multi-seven figure business.
had married the guy.
I had moved in the affluent suburb.
I had had the children in rapid fire.
I checked every single box, every box for what a successful woman in Western civilization.
And I was so uncomfortable because I wasn't in my truth.
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I had made thousands of micro compromises.
And then when we were connected, I was like,
ah I didn't know.
How do you get out?
And I'm to go on a quick tangent here for a second.
There's so much out there about how white women cost a sea election and all of thesethings.
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And white women don't have necessarily the tribe built in, don't have um the uh cut anddry path for untangling from the patriarchy.
And that's exactly what I had to do was untangle.
Well, can I say something about that?
I could talk about like, obviously the race thing and all that for its own podcast.
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I know.
But in this current setup, our oppressors are the men.
Yes.
The way that you stay safe in oppression is either you like run and hide and isolate oryou get really good at keeping the oppressor happy or
following the rules of your oppressor.
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And so white women are the least likely to wake up around it because they are so entangledwith it.
And if we asked most people to say, is patriarchy?
How does it show up in your day-to-day life?
What it really is to be a woman versus what you've been programmed to be through the lensof patriarchy, it's invisible.
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If it's invisible, I can't become aware of it.
I can't break it down.
I can't say, no, I want this or I don't want this, right?
To be able to elect Donald Trump, in my opinion, with the traits of toxic masculinity thathe, under any conditions, to choose that means that there's a level of patriarchal control
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and conditioning because it's so normalized for us to accept those characteristics buttrust
that they're gonna lead the family or that they're gonna make the money.
Still within that, we hold a certain level of privilege that we're just above, generallyspeaking, being really destroyed by the impact.
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You see what I'm saying?
So as white women, if we stay in that, if we support that patriarchy, we still get to livein like some safety and privilege by supporting that.
But people of color, immigrants, like,
queer folks, trans folks, like they don't have some of the, they can't check the boxes totry to stay on that line of power and privilege.
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They don't even have that option.
And so that's why white women get so colluded with this system.
The entanglement is so deep.
And I think it's deeply painful.
And what's at stake, and you experienced this, is
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is your whole life.
Your whole reality.
Your whole reality.
So it's like, you know, obviously part of my work I do is I work with white bodies to wakeup and decolonize.
And most it's like it's basically asking someone to go through pain that's not going tobenefit them, but is going to benefit other people.
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And that's why white consciousness is so resistant to waking up.
The level of like personal disruption.
personal responsibility, the grief that you have to feel for what each individual hasco-signed with.
It's more than most people are willing to choose at this time.
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And I think unfortunately because of that, then we've had collectively chosen anotherroute, which is now we're going to have to all face the collective consequences of this
consciousness through
being a part of war, poverty, the stock market crash, lack of food and resources.
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All the things that are coming are because we chose to collectively wake up instead ofreally to individually wake up.
Going back to when we met, I think this is the thing that felt so scary.
How dare I ask for more?
How dare I examine this?
How dare I look at that I'm...
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so disconnected that I feel so out of alignment.
And any other person, any white person, any person of privilege would be like, what thefuck are you doing?
The more you continue to become unapologetically yourself, the more misunderstood, themore rejection.
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And that's the part that I feel in you that's always hurting and always wanting to be seenand understood.
While she deserves that.
it's part of the choice to be liberated, It's because we are a small minority waking up ina collective majority.
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We just may not get that justice in this lifetime, you know?
But where we find the justice is in our circles and in the people that do see us and inthe people that do reflect back to us the same values, you know?
And the more that I have
in the last couple years built those circles and those circles have arrived.
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I realized that also part of growing up in the culture I grew up with was constantnegative projection that I internalized.
And now I've created a life surrounded by people who positively project.
They see my best qualities instead of my worst qualities.
Like I said, I'm learning to believe.
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right, these positive projections and learning.
And also, you know, one of my biggest intentions over the last five years has been that myouter life would match my inner life because I was doing all this inner work, but if you
kind of like looked at my just day to day, it didn't match.
And at the end of the day, I just want to be an integrity in all areas, you know, and Iwant my inner and outer world to match.
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And so when people reflect back to me more of who I know myself to be internally,
then I'm like, okay, I'm in integrity with who I am.
If people are reflecting back something different, then there's something that needs toadjust.
It may be inside of me, it may be the circles.
But I just think specifically for you, because this is coming up for you, is like, yougotta keep calling in.
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Well, one, heal the part of you that's been rejected, because she keeps calling inrejection to try to be seen.
And you actually need to heal her so that you can call in the people that see you as youreally are and stop calling in the rejection, you know?
And have circles that are holding you in that way.
It's so interesting.
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the, just the pathway of noticing the patterns, noticing the people and when you createspace for.
the right people to come in, how different it feels.
It's a whole different reality.
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it's an amazing, amazing thing.
And they're seeing your most authentic self.
That's the other thing too.
Like, still floors me that like, I can dress like this and have these conversations and bethe most weird.
And this isn't like a tenth of my weird.
and have people be like, oh my God, I love hanging out with you.
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It's like, Lauren 10 years ago, Lauren 20 years ago, would never ever, you know, Icouldn't even be with those parts of myself, you know?
I thought I have to be, you know, 120 pounds and like very sexy.
Like that's what matters around like being seen.
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And really I only care about being seen by men.
women, they're okay.
You know, it's like this, which is all at the end of the day, like patriarchy and theconditioning of a culture that puts women so low on the totem pole and has such low value.
I feel like that is the core wound that
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Right.
You're holding the wound of the mother, right?
And Gaia, as a planetary consciousness, has felt that rejection.
I have had, you know, deep meditation experiences where I even felt her.
My betrayal that I was feeling in my life was the same betrayal that Gaia feels abouthumans and bodies that she helped create, destroying her and destroying her people, right?
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So it's actually such a gift to connect to that.
And you want to have the consciousness to not let it create your whole reality at the sametime.
know, it's just, that's the paradox is like our wound is our greatest gift.
And how do we hold it in a way that helps us to like have compassion and empathy andunderstanding, but not uh keep creating the wound over and over.
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Right.
Have you ever worked with someone?
that wasn't holding a gift or holding something that was going to contribute to thegreater good.
No.
Never.
I mean, I would even say as a principal with students and kids and every year, like mymost difficult student, whether I was a principal or a teacher, I had this commitment, I'm
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going to love them the most.
I'm going to learn how to be in relationship with them.
And those are the kids I still think about.
I still follow on Facebook and they had
something just so unique that they were bringing and an offering that they have, you know,like we, it's like we all have an offering to give and it's usually way more wild and way
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more unique than anything you could ever imagine.
And it's just like, how much are you going to let it come out?
I think that that's the magical piece.
I think that's the thing is that every single person on this planet is here.
for a reason with a gift, with something to offer.
And if you continue to play by the rules, follow the very specific template that wascreated to keep us in oppression, to keep us from connecting to And oppressing others.
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You know, and it's ironic because in my life and as a teacher and all that, you love agood template, right?
It is helpful.
It's helpful that someone can kind of
give you some guidelines, right?
But when those templates become bars, you know, when they become prisons, then now it'snot a template anymore.
It's not a choice.
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It's become the way that things have to be.
And when you're starting then to use police brutality and organized violence and all typesof things to hold people within those bars and within those rules, you know, that we are
far, far away from.
what this place was to be.
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It was a place to come and create and to explore and experience and ultimately to bringall these, I believe, like species from all over the cosmos into a body, into a similar
system to get to know one another.
think diversity and interdependence was the whole name of the game to begin with.
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And then something else.
you know, as it does when power and control and fear start to get in the mix, you start toseparate, you start to divide, you start to protect.
And so, you know, the level of courage that's required to be free, and that's why I don'thave judgment about those that don't choose it.
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I don't have judgment of people who stay in those bars because I do understand and
If someone had told me what was required of me, I would never have chosen it.
You know, I feel like I got dragged through my evolution until now I'm at the side whereI'm like getting to enjoy it.
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It's not simple and it's not easy and there, really almost has to be a calling thatthere's something inside of me that so wants to be birthed and so wants to exist here that
whatever I'm going through,
whatever is asked of me must be worth it.
I think it is worth it.
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I know you do.
And I just want to honor how much courage you've expressed in this year alone.
I mean, we've only really known each other a year, haven't we?
A year and a half.
I mean, since I met you till now, you just keep bulldozing ahead and...
with a smile on your face and with love and you bring joy, you still access your joythrough it all.
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you you are choosing it.
You need more people honoring and reflecting back to you all that you are choosing and howcourageous you are and have been.
It was a really cool experience because as I was, gratitude is such an important part ofthe journey.
It always has been.
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nightly prayers.
think it helps us focus on the ways that life is working for our highest good versusagainst us.
And I had the chance to like think about all of the people this last year who have shownup for me in ways big and small.
And I wanted to make a gift for them.
And I just gave you yours.
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But it was over 40 people.
Wow.
That's beautiful.
Who like, I don't know, like
It's just like there's so much love.
There's so much beauty.
There's so much All the time.
Yeah.
All the time.
So and we just choose where you put your awareness.
What are you putting your awareness on in each moment?
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Exactly.
I could have like we all as the collective can focus on the fear when you focus on thelove.
You focus on the gratitude and that vibration.
Those emotions that are at the higher level not getting smooshed, lifting.
That's like, that can give any one person who's like, gosh, I've got this feeling insideof me.
I've got this thing I want to access, but I don't know how to do it.
(50:04):
Focus on the love.
Find your Lauren, who's going to look at you and be like, I love you.
I got you.
I'm not going to judge you.
I've seen it all.
Give it to me, baby.
And give it to her.
Because then what happens after that is a ripple.
A ripple that can bring you back into alignment.
We're like,
I'm not itching to get out of my skin.
(50:24):
feel comfortable in my skin.
I feel connected to my body.
Like all of this was started by meeting you.
Wild.
And that wasn't that long ago.
I mean, I talk about paradoxes all the time because I think we have to be able to hold inthis new consciousness for interdependence, we have to be able to hold multiple things
(50:44):
that seem.
opposite as true at the same time, right?
Which is like, we have to be able to be loved and hold all of that.
And then the same time we have to face our shadow, we have to be willing to feel thefeelings that we don't wanna feel, right?
We have to be accountable.
And usually in all of these polarities or paradoxes, we have a preference of a side.
(51:09):
I was on the side where I didn't like taking responsibility.
I liked feeling sorry for myself.
I liked blaming other people.
At some point I actually got addicted to if this is my responsibility, if I have to cleanthis up, like that's too much.
You know what I mean?
So you eventually some of that victim consciousness is just an avoidance of like what itwould be like if I really had to face that this is all me doing this, right?
(51:39):
And then some people over, over, over do that.
and they need to access more their victim and let themself cry and be like, okay, honey,you went through a hard time and we're proud of you that you picked up your bootstraps and
you kept going, you've muscled through, but now you've cut off all your emotions andyou're stoic and we can't find you anymore.
(52:00):
Like you can fall on the floor and lose your shit if you need to or beat the shit out ofsomething.
You know, it's just like, where do we fall on these paradoxes and are we willing to leanmore?
to the side that is less comfortable.
All right, so one last question for you.
Okay.
What are you doing to show up in the world unapologetically?
(52:25):
I mean, I think everything.
I will say like I'm coming out of like two or three years of what I call my hermit yearswhere I, my self-esteem was really low, especially about my physical self.
I was so scared to take risks, like all these things.
I just had just too much heartbreak for like one person for a while and I needed to gowithin.
(52:50):
And so I'm re-exploring and I shout out Tali Kogan and all just, have a wholeconstellation of so many women.
like, could list and list and list the number of women that hold me and support me, butTali is a stylist who I know you know, and she sees you, really sees you and.
she's been seeing me now for like a few years.
(53:12):
And so her helping me connect back to my style, because that's always actually been suchan important thing to me.
And I like for two or three years, like was wearing like monochrome, hiding like, youknow, giant sweatsuits and all these things.
there's risks involved, right?
To some degree and.
(53:34):
I do a lot of things that are risky and I'm willing to do them, have been willing to dothem behind closed doors and I'm coming forward and choosing to do that more publicly and
to see what that's like and what that feels like.
I can see that.
Like I can see how you're lit up and there's like a new ease.
(53:55):
um you.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Thank you for seeing me.
Thank you for seeing me.
Such a gift to be seen.
It is.
It's one of the greatest, it's probably the number one thing, reason we keep choosing tobe human.
Because a body and eyeballs will allow you to see and be seen if you let it.
(54:20):
Well, how can people, do you want people to find you?
Are you ready?
If you Are ready to come out?
Okay, let me just say I have an Instagram and it's public.
But if you look at it, it'll just be my pictures of my dogs and my son and my vacations.
But if you want to DM me, it's Lauren Hindley on Instagram, laurenwithay.
(54:42):
My email is laurenhindley at Gmail.
I don't have a website.
I just can't decide if I even want these things.
Like can't decide yet if they're in alignment for me, but I know that the right peoplewill find me and I'm happy for them to email me and Instagram me and all the things.
I just haven't decided yet if I want to be like branded, you know, and have all that.
(55:08):
I'm not saying anything's wrong with it.
It's just I have, I can't do it until I feel like this is, this is it for me.
So I, and I, just have had the experience that just like finding you, I mean, it was justvery weird and, you know, kind of out of left field, like all the right people.
(55:29):
arrive.
And so I absolutely would want anyone who resonated with this conversation and wants tolearn more or feels called to talk to me for whatever reason to you can DM me on Instagram
or email me at gmail.
I'm so bad that we had this time together.
We covered a ton of super celestial, galactic, spiritual, thoughtful territory.
(55:53):
But I think the main takeaway is that we are all connected.
It takes courage in this life.
on this planet to be your full self.
it's never, you've never been safer to be your full self.
Right, a paradox.
A paradox.
And it's essential.
And if you feel that little nudge in your soul that there's more for you, there is.
(56:18):
The path might be hard.
The path might be hard.
You might burn some shit.
And that part's hard.
But the vibration...
Right, the experience of freedom and peace on the other side is something that isinvaluable.
It's priceless.
And it's the thing that is being stolen from us.
(56:39):
truly say that the light, I have so much more to learn and learning and growing and beinghuman is not a destination.
You don't arrive at some point.
It's part of it to keep learning, taking and keep assessing where you fit in the balanceof things.
But being in that higher vibration, worth it.
(57:03):
It's worth it.
So thank you so much for tuning in.
This is Lauren Henley.
She's amazing.
She looks cool as shit.
Dress is cool as shit and she is cool as shit.
Great person to be around and thank you for being on.
And um remember to like, follow, subscribe, leave a review, all the things.
(57:25):
And if you've got comments or want to.
reach me for any reason, um Ashley D.
Logan, my website, AshleyDLogan.com or at Unapologetically Yours podcast.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
Until next time, I'm Ashley, this is Lauren and we are unapologetically yours.
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