August 20, 2024 • 36 mins
If you could talk to a squirrel, what would it say? In this episode of Understanding the Science of You, Graham Skidmore and Ruby Hernandez experiment with channelling squirrels to dig into the way different species interact.
"So I have so my belief is absolutely that we are part of an intelligent design system," explains Graham. "And when I say intelligent design, you know, strip away any sort of dogma or religion or philosophy or new age or anything else. What all I mean when I say intelligent design was that there was purposeful intent behind the laws that govern our existence. Everything was designed for a purpose and an outcome and to work together."
In this fun and whimsical conversation, Graham and Ruby look through the lens of these creatures to experience empathy and another perspective within the circle of life. If you like this conversation, make sure you visit scienceofyoupodcast.com to learn more about Graham and EnGen Solutions.
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Chapters00:00 Introduction
02:21 Intelligent design
06:15 Engaging with squirrels in his yard
08:13 Universal intelligence
13:36 Why do squirrels run away?
16:43 Are squirrels easy to tame by humans?
19:03 Why do squirrels try to cross the road?
23:24 Squirrels questions for humans
26:15 Relationship between species
33:22 Closing
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Welcome to a very interesting episode of Understanding the Science of You,
where we have Ruby joining us again here.
We decided to, you know, continue our conversation.
But, you know, and so I thought that what would be fun would be,
you know, we both talked about our enjoyment of nature and enjoyment of animals
and what we do and what we learn.
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And we both have our various communications with animals.
Animals and so there's a tremendous amount
that i have had the pleasure of learning from my
squirrel friends you know in my yard here you know
i spent about two hours two to three hours each morning you
know with them feeding them you know watching them etc
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and so i thought that it would be fun
to have a podcast episode between a
human and a squirrel well in this case well human and a scroll
than the scroll consciousness anyway right and and
understanding what that would be like and helping to understand how
we're more similar than what we realize right and so you know that's really
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what and that's really what whether it be i guess the the underlying theme behind
anything that i'm going to talk about and understand the science of you is going to be all about out,
the more that we can understand,
accept and, and love ourselves, right.
And accept ourselves, right. Then we can, then the more that we can apply that
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to everybody else, the more that we can understand everybody,
you know, we can give everybody else grace for, you know, the,
the footsteps that they've got to walk in and figure stuff out for themselves.
Right. We understand what we needed to do. Let's give everybody else that same
grace for the grace that we got, so to speak. Right. Anyway.
And so, and I think that there's, and, you know, animals were provided as a.
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Critical source of information and knowledge and not and and
this is and it's a deeper sense of knowledge than the strictly the
survival instincts or how to build shelter yes right
that was one that was one aspect of the relationship right between human and
the the reciprocal nature of the relationship the design nature of the relationship
(02:09):
but like everything right it evolves right and as all of our consciousness has
evolved and so the first thing that i want to kind
of addresses before people go, all right, you crazy guy, what the heck are you talking about?
Consciousness isn't squirrel and how then communication squirrel don't speak English.
Exactly right. So let's just start right there.
So I have, so my belief is absolutely that we are part of an intelligent design system.
(02:34):
And, and, and when I say intelligent design, you know, strip away any sort of
dogma or religion or philosophy or new age or anything else.
What all I mean when I say intelligent design was that there was purposeful
intent behind the laws that govern our existence.
Everything was designed for a purpose and an outcome and to work together.
(02:58):
And that's much more deeply than the circle of life. That's like one example of it.
But everything is meant to help and work together.
For example, something simple is when I have vegetables,
not processed food, but vegetables, and I put vegetables outside and the squirrels
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and the chipmunks and the deer and the possum don't eat, aren't willing to eat the pepper.
I got to ask myself, what in the world is being put into my body?
Right and so that's like a that's like a little simple way of you know the kind
of the quote unquote canary in the coal mine or the rest a way to have a you
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know a reciprocal relationship is look nature is a great way to understand you
know is what's putting in my body healthy for me,
because if they're not gonna eat it why should i so anyway so that's like that
was like you know that's that's an easy way but the the but i want to kind of
talk about storing of energy
and like the intelligent design and how would an intelligent design be able
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to create a system that facilitates interspecies communication, right?
And the way that I learn is I got to understand how things are put together
at kind of like the root cause.
And so for me, I got to go, okay, how can these things connect?
And not only how do different, can different species communicate,
but then how can this type of communication stand the test of time?
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So what is something that is at the very common denominator that applies to everybody?
And so some information that I
got back on that was, well, everything has emotions, actions, and intent.
And so now energy then gets stored based on the actions that were taken,
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the emotions that were associated with it, and the intent that was driving.
So the emotions are associating with the intent, which are then also in the
intent is then driving the actions.
And so that is something that everybody can relate to.
Now, from there, though, one's the empathy and experiential learning and being
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able to put one's self in other's shoes now determines the depth and the richness
that one can understand another person or another species experiences using
and understanding that emotions, intent and actions.
And so that's why my understanding has been, that's why the earth experience
is all about, one of the key components of it is developing that empathy because
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that empathy is the foundation for psychism.
Psychism then allows consciousness to consciousness communication,
which then allows the communication between animals and other species, right?
And that also is something that doesn't require, that is not language specific, right? Right.
Everybody then takes in the information the way that they understand it.
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I'll use an example here for myself. And I really thank you for listening.
As I haven't given you a chance to speak yet. This is kind of,
you know, so I do. I want to acknowledge that here.
Right. It's like how I kind of came to understand this as well about myself
as I was feeding the squirrels.
And one woman was getting a little spazzy and I'm like, and I'm like,
whoa, you know, what's going on?
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And all of a sudden this thought pops into my head says, I don't understand. understand i'm doing
the same stuff as these other ones but you throw them food and but you didn't
throw me food and i was like you know
what he's and i was like whoa right and i
realized that i was treating that squirrel differently that i was treating the
other ones differently even though the actions were the same interesting right
and so i'm like all right well that's kind of a you know how that that thought
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has got to come out of somewhere right and so then i that was kind of where
i was like okay i got to figure this out like because how do i communicate how do i learn How do we,
you know, like, what's the saying, right?
And then that led me to the next question, which is kind of led me to what a
fun conversation to have, right?
I was like, I started to go down to the question of asking myself.
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What is the squirrel need a human for? Right.
And that kind of helped me to start to put me into that perspective and to try
to help me to expand my consciousness by being, understanding my comprehension
from, you know, their perspective.
And that opened up a whole nother can of things.
And so, you know, and so that led us to our conversation today.
And so in full disclosure, look, this may, this could be a very cool and awesome
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conversation. This could blow up spectacularly.
I don't know. What I do know is that when I do things out of enjoyment and fun
and a place of love, right?
And for me, this love is demonstrating that squirrels and all animals are sentient
conscious beings and we're all on our different evolutionary path.
They happen to be wearing one suit. We happen to be wearing a different suit.
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And those different suits allow us to have the experiences that we need to develop
our survival instincts, our problem solving, our comprehension,
our ability to identify patterns within an intelligent design,
and how to then understand those patterns and causation, relationships,
anyway, all things that are kind of more universal examples of intelligence.
(08:04):
Intelligence. And so anyway, so that being said, Ruby, this,
I was kind enough to jump on this crazy train with me and say,
Hey, let's facilitate a conversation between a human.
And I'm just going to call it a squirrel consciousness because,
you know, what I'm going to do, you know, hopefully be able to do here is,
you know, answer questions from a, you know, quote unquote squirrels perspective.
And the way that it works for me is that I'm kind of, you know,
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tapping into more of their collective consciousness versus any individual entity.
And then from there, right, I kind of translate it based on my own individual
experiences of how I can relate to be able to speak for them.
Right. So the, so it's impossible in that respect for there not to be some sort of bias as a translator.
Right. But I'm going to do my best to make it as objective and,
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you know, from their perspective as possible.
And we're going to, and, and, you know, and we're going to see how this goes
because I very much at the end of the day, you know, part of my missions and,
you know, purposes of life is creating a quality for all of us inhabitants. evidence.
And the more that we can understand how we're the same and we're all trying
to survive and thrive, you know, the more that we can give each other,
(09:10):
give all of us the access to the tools, resources, and support that's needed.
Right. And it's not just about, Hey, because I'm bigger than you and I can,
you know, or I have a gun that I get more access to more resources than you.
That's not cool. I don't appreciate that perspective.
So anyway, so that being said, as you're listening to me here,
Ruby, how are you feeling?
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How do you feel about facilitating a conversation with the squirrel.
That sounds fantastic. I'm game.
All right. And so, you know, so because, you know, we're, we're trying this
out of, out of, out of nowhere here, there are a few questions that I'm trying
to, you know, kind of this conversation starters that I've gotten some answers to, you know, myself.
(09:54):
So we're going to kind of use that as a jumping off point. And then hopefully,
you know, that allows me to, to connect and to kind of keep things going.
So Ruby, is there anything that you kind of want to add or what do you,
by the way, what do you want to get out of this conversation?
I've been seeing a talking this whole time and you, I jumped on,
but I never asked you shame on me.
I mean, yeah, I think this is going to be fun for one. This, this, this sounds fun.
(10:18):
And I think I really like this perspective of kind of opening people's eyes.
Cause a lot of people do have the, well, I'm human, I'm superior. interior
the little critters don't matter and to
be able to the little critters speak through you so to
speak yeah they're consciousness right speak
(10:38):
through you to just demonstrate yeah all
of earth's creatures are valuable and matter
and have their place in the evolution of consciousness
and so i'm really excited to see what
comes through and i also want to
speak to or just throw out there you know
this is something anybody can cultivate this this connection this awareness
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and it really just takes this this openness and willingness to be humble and
in awe instead of like imposing your thoughts or you know your desires or whatnot right so it's.
Just to piggyback onto what you're saying earlier you know it's not about dominating
it's about truly being curious and connecting.
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And so I'm truly curious and excited to connect.
So, you know, you said that I'm going to, you know, one of the things that also
you reminded me, I ran across an article where they were talking about using
electronics to be able to understand your pets.
Right. And, and I, and that's where I was like, all right.
So I, you know, I, I totally get that, but like, to your point,
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the human suit comes capable, becomes equipped with this already.
Why, why, why, why inject yourself or your pet with some, some technology or
electronics and give somebody else access to you.
Right. When, when you are already equipped now, it doesn't know,
you know, some people, you know, you know, they may have, they may take different
types of work to uncover and unlock those different abilities.
(12:08):
And that's going to to be different for everybody right that's part of the learning experience but the
point is which is so critical i'm glad that you
you brought that up and that's what we were to talk about is like this
isn't about like hey look what a couple of us are doing no this is like hey
this is what we're all supposed to be doing you know right and somewhere along
the way you know that's kind of changed and so let's try to bring that back
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and then i guess and that's what and that's what this is all about.
It's really saying, hey, we're all meant to do this.
And so some of us are willing to put ourselves out there to demonstrate that, I guess.
So anyway, so that being said, how do you want to kind of get started here?
Should I start with a silly question or one of our preselected questions that
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we thought would be good to talk about?
I think, you know, if you wouldn't mind starting with one of the icebreakers,
that would be, that might be the easiest way to help ease into it. Okay.
So this is a question from Graham, because I would not have asked the question
this way. I just want to clarify that.
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Why do squirrels run away when Graham's trying to give them food?
Well, they don't run away when I'm trying to give them food.
Well, they don't run away from me too. I don't want to say when I'm trying to
feed them because that's not my experience either.
Well, I'll take that back. Some do run. I take that back. Some do run. So here we go. Sorry.
(13:36):
I mean, I can change the questions. No. So this is kind of a deep one.
So first, let's start with before we became neighbors.
Neighbors so before we became neighbors right like
we we had this this land and and this thing
that was stuff was flat we ran around we did all the stuff we came
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and went it was it was pretty cool next thing we know
all of a sudden where there was this flat
land there's no longer flat land it's now raised land
so all right it's cool it's kind of you
know provide something to climb on provide some elevation to see
things with but it doesn't provide me access to the
same you know natural resources in which to live
and expand and you know that i once had so but you
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know hey look you know we're all here learning so what
it does it helped me to own my you know helps us hone our survival skills it
helps us to understand our inst you know and to what's it called not just our
survival instincts but our creative problem solving right and and and and adaptability
and you know and and being and being fluid right it doesn't make any sense to
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us while you guys choose to live in cages, but you know.
So be it, you know, we, we like freedom. And so that's one thing.
So all of a sudden I didn't know where we got these, you know,
we, we, we've got these, these, these things that pop up on,
on where we used to hang out there, you know, you're, you're,
you're, you're like 20 times the size of us.
And next thing you know, so now all of a sudden you move in and next thing we
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know you start throwing shit at.
So sorry, but all I'm doing, I'm out here in my own business,
what left, what left, what left of my area to mosey around in.
Now I got this giant throwing stuff at me how am
I supposed to know what it is I know you might think that
it's food but like seriously all I know is I got this giant
starts throwing crap at me yeah I'm gonna run away
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because so far my prior experiences haven't
exact hasn't exactly worked out you know I don't enjoy
you know you know what's it
called having stuff thrown at being thrown at and watch how I
react I don't enjoy being on you know having you know being on the other end
of a skewer you know we're not meant for eating I don't enjoy you know we don't
enjoy you know having the land taken you know so it hasn't really been you know
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it's kind of been a one-sided relationship so yeah when a giant throws stuff
at me you know I'm gonna run away,
makes sense makes sense.
So are squirrels easy to tame by humans?
Oh, this is another one. So tame, tame. When I use the word tame in the consciousness,
that definitely set off.
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They did not appreciate that word. Yeah, I know. So there's two parts to this.
So let's talk about tame.
So you would think of us as tame because once we do understand that it's food,
right, then all of a sudden, you know, we don't run and we're willing to accept food.
So you think how easily we are to tame because all you got to do is show us
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that we're food. Well, let me flip it back to you.
Part of our existence and creative problem solving survival instincts is learning
how to feed ourselves and learn how to find food.
And so if all we got to do is walk around you and near you and all of a sudden
these giants go and do all the hard work and bring the food to us,
I'm just asking who's taming who here?
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That's one perspective the other perspective is
is look if you haven't
noticed we got a pretty we got a pretty cool
suit in which to navigate this planet right to an extent you know we've got
a built-in umbrella with the tail we've got a built-in windbreaker with the
tail we can climb on everything we've got ninja-like reflexes we're fast and
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quick as can be and can go anywhere So, and,
and we're extremely playfully curious and we are super confident our ability
to get ourselves out of places.
So yeah, we're, we're willing to explore and be curious and, and, and things.
And not only that, but manipulation and isn't, isn't part of our DNA.
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Right. So if something is demonstrating kindness or compassion or helpfulness
through the means of providing nutritional value,
why should we have any reason to believe that there's any ill intent otherwise?
Ill intent doesn't really exist with us. Right.
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That makes sense. But humans, unfortunately, humans taught us ill intent.
And that's given us a sad face in why we run today. Makes sense.
So I'm trying to decide how to formulate the next question.
It seems like there's a lot of indecisiveness with squirrels in terms of crossing a road.
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Why did the squirrel cross the road? I want to know when I'm driving my car
and I see a squirrel up ahead and I'm slowing down,
but still going to go straight down this road and the squirrel waits until I'm
closer to it than far away to decide to dart across the road and then maybe
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dart back to where they were in the first place.
He's like, what's with all this indecisiveness about where they want to be while
this massive car drives by them, right?
If I was a squirrel, I feel like I would just stay put, wait for the massive
thing to move, or run away from the road instead of across the road.
So I'm really, really curious about, like, what's this about?
So as a squirrel, there's, you know, part of being in a circle of life is also
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an understanding and survival instinct is recognizing that there's things out
there that whose responsibility is to eat you. Thank you.
And as a result of that you can't you
learn and operate out you keep there's just no
operating out of fear right in the sense of you can't am
i gonna do never leave never worry never go out
in the yard because i'm worried about a hawk or some bird grabbing me
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no that's not how it works i learned how to i learned how
to crawl i learned how to hide it how to walk up against trees how
to walk up against you know things that protect me right
that that's that's what that provides lives i
see why i'm saying that to me and so that means is
when we're focused on doing something we're just simply focused on what
it is that we're here to do and so then when
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something gets catches us off guard you know yeah we get
started and and you know in nature what
you're referring to as a car look we don't have there's not
a correlation of two we don't i don't have
a the squirrels don't have a reference
point to understand depth perception
and how fast something is coming at that the car is
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coming at you in which to recognize something and
then how to react accordingly and so that indecisiveness is that is that holy
crap this thing's coming at me fast what i'm used to but go this way do i go
that way what's you know i don't have a reference point and so without knowing
what to do right then sometimes then without being able to be indecisive right?
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Look, that's part of learning and demonstrating intelligence and creative problem
solving is being in those situations.
Now, the thing that I will tell you to set your mind at ease is,
look, the same way that you guys have incarnation or reincarnation or so to
speak, or whatever, same thing here, right?
So the most beautiful thing about being a squirrel is, Look,
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we live our lives with no fear, running, jumping, built-in parachute, right?
Like, okay, and so 99.9% of our life is...
Is so carefree and fearless and doing everything and exploring anywhere that
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we want to go and getting, and getting ourselves out of all kinds of crazy spots
and learning from all of that stuff until we don't.
But you know what? That one time that we didn't, we don't remember because it's over.
Right. And so then we, right. And so we go, and so
now we take our squirrel learning's back and we go okay so
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from a surviving and navigating what worked what
didn't work why did we get caught up and you know and so
how do we create our new set of hypotheses and
to learn how to next time we see something we're not familiar with how do we
now want to try to handle that and see if that works right so that way we so
that as a squirrel we're more equipped for the unknown right all right now let's
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formulate that kind of hypotheses of what we want to learn and And then boom,
when it comes time, we'll incarnate again.
Do squirrels have any questions for humans? Do they have any curiosities about humans?
Yeah. So I asked before this if there was just a couple.
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And this is what I was given. Again, remember, guys, I'm translating this to
make this a human conversation.
So the good question is, what is your obsession with trying to touch us?
Right like this oh my god yeah like why why like i get why can't you like give
us food or whatever why you gotta keep trying to get close and touch us,
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Well, I can't speak for all humans, but I can speak for myself as like,
because you're so cute and furry, I want to pet your little head.
And, you know, yes, we like to touch cute, furry, miniature things, humans.
Well, you recognize where I come from when things come out like this,
that's called claws on a bird.
(23:12):
Okay. And like, yeah. Yeah.
And, and, you know, and, and so when things, you know, we don't really,
you know, affection isn't really, you know, the way that you experience it isn't
the way that we experience it.
So we don't have, we don't have a reference point to understand this need to
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have some of that connection as a general rule, right?
Just like humans, there are highly sensitive animals,
highly sensitive people that are more of the curious, the rule breakers,
the mold breakers, the ones that push the boundaries to take the learnings then
back to the consciousness.
Because you can't have everybody doing that, right? Otherwise,
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you can't maintain order.
But you need to have a small percentage. So, yes, there are some squirrels,
though, that will become more adventurous and engage in all those other things.
And that are willing to, you know, make their quote unquote little sacrifices
of their square lives in case things don't go right, you know,
for the, for the greater learning and evolution of all.
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Okay. Anything else they want to know?
Oh, so yes, I was saying, yeah, what is it? So yeah, that, here we go.
This is another, like from your perspective, if you think about us,
what's in it, what do you think is in it for us to interact with you?
Well, if I'm offering food, if
a human is offering food, there's some free food, easy food, right? Yeah.
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Are y'all as curious about us as we are about you?
Like you get to satisfy some curiosity, some exploration, some connection with
other species, perhaps?
You know, there's, it's funny you say that.
There was a time when there was connectivity openly.
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But due to changes in the nature of the relationship where we went from friends
to food, that psychic connection was kind of cut.
And so, you know, there is there as like many things that are happening in the
evolution of the planet right now,
you know, many animals that had cut off some of that quote unquote psychic connectivity
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is also now starting to get it back.
And and as and being able to connect as
there are more human friends
to be their advocates and and and you know
provide you know safe spaces for them you know to have access to resources and
things like that and so I think that that's the what's in it for us is that's
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really I think that's the biggest thing is is trying to figure out is how do
we help to let you know how to be advocates for us and for what we need.
And when I say us and what we need, that's going to vary place by place all over the time.
It's not that it's more than that. So I should be saying as well,
I need to feed what we need to figure out is how to better help you to understand
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us when we're trying to talk to you or share things with you or how adverse
things happening in the environment are being displayed through us.
And maybe the, and so I think that, you know, that would be.
You know, a great jumping off point of trying to expand the equality between
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us as living, conscious, sentient
beings who both have equal rights to Earth's resources to survive.
Right, right. I don't know that there's anything that a squirrel should be doing for that.
I think it's humans educating other humans about the value of all of Earth's creatures.
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And it's going to be some people like
that's food that's a rodent that's you know
that's a pest i i need to get rid of like they're not everybody's
going to be willing to to see animals the way you and i do or the way gram and
i do yeah so interesting i'm glad you brought that up because Because there's
(27:22):
a time of evolution and change that it takes for stuff.
But there was... I didn't want to interrupt you. There's something that's really important.
Oh, which is... Oh, I know what this is. But I think you're right.
And that's actually one of the things that is actually really sad.
Because when I start to think about... And even though we're talking about squirrels,
(27:45):
squirrels just happen to be the animal that has made itself available to me.
To learn from and things like that, right?
This concept applies to everything. Okay.
And squirrels also just happen to, just like humans, animals have different
evolutions of consciousness amongst them and within them, right?
They don't all start at the same level, right?
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Like the same way that some humans, you could say, have had 1,000 lifetimes.
Well, you have squirrels that have had 1,000 lifetimes. You've had squirrels
that have had 100 lifetimes, and humans have had 100 lifetimes,
right? And so that's why they act differently, the same as us.
But right and so they're the and
so while they're so they are also trying to
figure out you know how do we make that connection but even just because and
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this is where this was kind of a sad realization that i had as i was conducting
this conversation amongst consciousnesses was that look humans acknowledge that
other humans are conscious and sentient beings and they treat them like shit it.
They treat them horribly. Right. So just simply proving, right.
So proving that an animal is a conscious or sentient being in itself is not
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going to, is not going to create any sort of change. Right.
And so, but so the first step is look, as soon as humans got us,
you know, the humans value in life is the first step, both human life, animal life.
Some humans come wired to value human life over animal life.
So great. Then let's let them work on understanding and getting human life better.
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Then there's other humans that come wired to better understand that can more
adapt and appreciate animal life more.
Great. Well then let's let, let those humans work on loving,
you know, and supporting, you know, animal life. Right.
And then, but the important thing is we're, you know, we're supporting life
and getting along and cooperation and working together.
And, and I think if we look around both at the planet and the state of the planet as a,
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as, as, as nature, as a biologic entity, that's not going so great. Right.
You know, nature seems to be getting a little upset and fighting back.
And then if you take a look at, you know, how the humans are treating each other,
that doesn't seem to be going so great.
And so in the vein of what's called evolution, right. Then, you know,
we also then take a look at then how do we treat the animals and the planet.
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Right. And, and there are some segments of humanity that believe that's that
have a very parasitic relationship.
Versus understanding that there is a balance of what can be given and what can
be taken for things to work in harmony, equilibrium with each other.
And we've crossed that tipping point just because it hasn't fully manifested
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itself doesn't mean it hasn't been crossed.
And so trying to figure out where that balance lies And that's because,
look, that is just respect.
I mean, because the bigger thing that aligns nature,
humans and animals on land and in the water is acknowledging that everybody
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is that life is life and everybody has equal right to its resources.
Right. There's nobody created this planet. There's nobody that's on this earth
that created this earth as a human being.
Right so for anybody to claim ownership over and
over and to say that over another anything else
right is just crazy and or even if
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somebody believes that world and if somebody believes that we're alone in this
universe wow well isn't that then if we're alone wow let's stop fighting with
each other let's start understanding and then this sort of appreciating how
rare it is not just to be of that alone but to have all of these other sentient
and conscious beings in which to interact and live and learn with. Right.
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And let's, and let's, and let's treasure that and foster that.
Let's not abuse that.
Yes. And so I, you know, the, I guess I just say to, to say that one of the
things I'm trying to figure out that is, is right, is how do we get.
How do we jumpstart that evolution?
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Right. I wish I, what I wish I knew what could be demonstrated,
to get a better to get a better respect for life and a better uh appreciation
for life um and i bet it and yeah so that what i spend but as you can see there's
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a lot that makes us the same.
You know, we're all trying to live. We're all trying to survive.
We're all trying to get more intelligent.
We're all trying to, you know, to have experiences and livings and learnings
to send back to our consciousness for the improvement of our species.
Right. I mean, there's no, and we're all establishing our survival instincts too.
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Right. Everyone survives. Everyone deals with survival. and so anyway i don't
know i think that this probably this thankfully this ended up being a much more
fruitful conversation than i think than what then maybe where i thought it might go,
so i don't know ruby unless there's anything that you that's kind of jumping
out for you you know i think you know we're probably you know in a good spot
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to to wrap up the conversation how How do you do? Yeah, this feels like a wrap.
Thank you for this fun little experiment.
Yeah, this was a lot of fun. I can't lie.
I am experiencing joy, you know, feeling for representing my little squirrel
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friends and animal friends.
Because, you know, I volunteer to be in service to them as well, right?
Right. And so I really appreciate you helping me to know, you know,
to know more about what I don't know and to understand abilities,
you know, better and to and to try and do, you know, look, build bridges.
Right. That's what that's what we're all you know, what we're all about here is building bridges.
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So thank you so much, Ruby, for for doing this. Thank you, listeners.
Hopefully, you know, gosh, you know, penny for everyone's thoughts after they've
been listening to this one as well.
But I hope some of you were but I hope that it brought some smiles and and and
helps some others to feel comfortable in their skin as well right because that's
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what this is about so hope everybody listening has themselves fantastic and awesome thank you.
Welcome to a very interesting episode of Understanding the Science of You,
where we have Ruby joining us again here.
We decided to, you know, continue our conversation.
But, you know, and so I thought that what would be fun would be,
you know, we both talked about our enjoyment of nature and enjoyment of animals
and what we do and what we learn.
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And we both have our various communications with animals.
Animals and so there's a tremendous amount
that i have had the pleasure of learning from my
squirrel friends you know in my yard here you know
i spent about two hours two to three hours each morning you
know with them feeding them you know watching them etc
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and so i thought that it would be fun
to have a podcast episode between a
human and a squirrel well in this case well human and a scroll
than the scroll consciousness anyway right and and
understanding what that would be like and helping to understand how
we're more similar than what we realize right and so you know that's really
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what and that's really what whether it be i guess the the underlying theme behind
anything that i'm going to talk about and understand the science of you is going to be all about out,
the more that we can understand,
accept and, and love ourselves, right.
And accept ourselves, right. Then we can, then the more that we can apply that
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to everybody else, the more that we can understand everybody,
you know, we can give everybody else grace for, you know, the,
the footsteps that they've got to walk in and figure stuff out for themselves.
Right. We understand what we needed to do. Let's give everybody else that same
grace for the grace that we got, so to speak. Right. Anyway.
And so, and I think that there's, and, you know, animals were provided as a.
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Critical source of information and knowledge and not and and
this is and it's a deeper sense of knowledge than the strictly the
survival instincts or how to build shelter yes right
that was one that was one aspect of the relationship right between human and
the the reciprocal nature of the relationship the design nature of the relationship
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but like everything right it evolves right and as all of our consciousness has
evolved and so the first thing that i want to kind
of addresses before people go, all right, you crazy guy, what the heck are you talking about?
Consciousness isn't squirrel and how then communication squirrel don't speak English.
Exactly right. So let's just start right there.
So I have, so my belief is absolutely that we are part of an intelligent design system.
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And, and, and when I say intelligent design, you know, strip away any sort of
dogma or religion or philosophy or new age or anything else.
What all I mean when I say intelligent design was that there was purposeful
intent behind the laws that govern our existence.
Everything was designed for a purpose and an outcome and to work together.
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And that's much more deeply than the circle of life. That's like one example of it.
But everything is meant to help and work together.
For example, something simple is when I have vegetables,
not processed food, but vegetables, and I put vegetables outside and the squirrels
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and the chipmunks and the deer and the possum don't eat, aren't willing to eat the pepper.
I got to ask myself, what in the world is being put into my body?
Right and so that's like a that's like a little simple way of you know the kind
of the quote unquote canary in the coal mine or the rest a way to have a you
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know a reciprocal relationship is look nature is a great way to understand you
know is what's putting in my body healthy for me,
because if they're not gonna eat it why should i so anyway so that's like that
was like you know that's that's an easy way but the the but i want to kind of
talk about storing of energy
and like the intelligent design and how would an intelligent design be able
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to create a system that facilitates interspecies communication, right?
And the way that I learn is I got to understand how things are put together
at kind of like the root cause.
And so for me, I got to go, okay, how can these things connect?
And not only how do different, can different species communicate,
but then how can this type of communication stand the test of time?
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So what is something that is at the very common denominator that applies to everybody?
And so some information that I
got back on that was, well, everything has emotions, actions, and intent.
And so now energy then gets stored based on the actions that were taken,
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the emotions that were associated with it, and the intent that was driving.
So the emotions are associating with the intent, which are then also in the
intent is then driving the actions.
And so that is something that everybody can relate to.
Now, from there, though, one's the empathy and experiential learning and being
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able to put one's self in other's shoes now determines the depth and the richness
that one can understand another person or another species experiences using
and understanding that emotions, intent and actions.
And so that's why my understanding has been, that's why the earth experience
is all about, one of the key components of it is developing that empathy because
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that empathy is the foundation for psychism.
Psychism then allows consciousness to consciousness communication,
which then allows the communication between animals and other species, right?
And that also is something that doesn't require, that is not language specific, right? Right.
Everybody then takes in the information the way that they understand it.
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I'll use an example here for myself. And I really thank you for listening.
As I haven't given you a chance to speak yet. This is kind of,
you know, so I do. I want to acknowledge that here.
Right. It's like how I kind of came to understand this as well about myself
as I was feeding the squirrels.
And one woman was getting a little spazzy and I'm like, and I'm like,
whoa, you know, what's going on?
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And all of a sudden this thought pops into my head says, I don't understand. understand i'm doing
the same stuff as these other ones but you throw them food and but you didn't
throw me food and i was like you know
what he's and i was like whoa right and i
realized that i was treating that squirrel differently that i was treating the
other ones differently even though the actions were the same interesting right
and so i'm like all right well that's kind of a you know how that that thought
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has got to come out of somewhere right and so then i that was kind of where
i was like okay i got to figure this out like because how do i communicate how do i learn How do we,
you know, like, what's the saying, right?
And then that led me to the next question, which is kind of led me to what a
fun conversation to have, right?
I was like, I started to go down to the question of asking myself.
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What is the squirrel need a human for? Right.
And that kind of helped me to start to put me into that perspective and to try
to help me to expand my consciousness by being, understanding my comprehension
from, you know, their perspective.
And that opened up a whole nother can of things.
And so, you know, and so that led us to our conversation today.
And so in full disclosure, look, this may, this could be a very cool and awesome
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conversation. This could blow up spectacularly.
I don't know. What I do know is that when I do things out of enjoyment and fun
and a place of love, right?
And for me, this love is demonstrating that squirrels and all animals are sentient
conscious beings and we're all on our different evolutionary path.
They happen to be wearing one suit. We happen to be wearing a different suit.
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And those different suits allow us to have the experiences that we need to develop
our survival instincts, our problem solving, our comprehension,
our ability to identify patterns within an intelligent design,
and how to then understand those patterns and causation, relationships,
anyway, all things that are kind of more universal examples of intelligence.
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Intelligence. And so anyway, so that being said, Ruby, this,
I was kind enough to jump on this crazy train with me and say,
Hey, let's facilitate a conversation between a human.
And I'm just going to call it a squirrel consciousness because,
you know, what I'm going to do, you know, hopefully be able to do here is,
you know, answer questions from a, you know, quote unquote squirrels perspective.
And the way that it works for me is that I'm kind of, you know,
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tapping into more of their collective consciousness versus any individual entity.
And then from there, right, I kind of translate it based on my own individual
experiences of how I can relate to be able to speak for them.
Right. So the, so it's impossible in that respect for there not to be some sort of bias as a translator.
Right. But I'm going to do my best to make it as objective and,
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you know, from their perspective as possible.
And we're going to, and, and, you know, and we're going to see how this goes
because I very much at the end of the day, you know, part of my missions and,
you know, purposes of life is creating a quality for all of us inhabitants. evidence.
And the more that we can understand how we're the same and we're all trying
to survive and thrive, you know, the more that we can give each other,
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give all of us the access to the tools, resources, and support that's needed.
Right. And it's not just about, Hey, because I'm bigger than you and I can,
you know, or I have a gun that I get more access to more resources than you.
That's not cool. I don't appreciate that perspective.
So anyway, so that being said, as you're listening to me here,
Ruby, how are you feeling?
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How do you feel about facilitating a conversation with the squirrel.
That sounds fantastic. I'm game.
All right. And so, you know, so because, you know, we're, we're trying this
out of, out of, out of nowhere here, there are a few questions that I'm trying
to, you know, kind of this conversation starters that I've gotten some answers to, you know, myself.
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So we're going to kind of use that as a jumping off point. And then hopefully,
you know, that allows me to, to connect and to kind of keep things going.
So Ruby, is there anything that you kind of want to add or what do you,
by the way, what do you want to get out of this conversation?
I've been seeing a talking this whole time and you, I jumped on,
but I never asked you shame on me.
I mean, yeah, I think this is going to be fun for one. This, this, this sounds fun.
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And I think I really like this perspective of kind of opening people's eyes.
Cause a lot of people do have the, well, I'm human, I'm superior. interior
the little critters don't matter and to
be able to the little critters speak through you so to
speak yeah they're consciousness right speak
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through you to just demonstrate yeah all
of earth's creatures are valuable and matter
and have their place in the evolution of consciousness
and so i'm really excited to see what
comes through and i also want to
speak to or just throw out there you know
this is something anybody can cultivate this this connection this awareness
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and it really just takes this this openness and willingness to be humble and
in awe instead of like imposing your thoughts or you know your desires or whatnot right so it's.
Just to piggyback onto what you're saying earlier you know it's not about dominating
it's about truly being curious and connecting.
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And so I'm truly curious and excited to connect.
So, you know, you said that I'm going to, you know, one of the things that also
you reminded me, I ran across an article where they were talking about using
electronics to be able to understand your pets.
Right. And, and I, and that's where I was like, all right.
So I, you know, I, I totally get that, but like, to your point,
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the human suit comes capable, becomes equipped with this already.
Why, why, why, why inject yourself or your pet with some, some technology or
electronics and give somebody else access to you.
Right. When, when you are already equipped now, it doesn't know,
you know, some people, you know, you know, they may have, they may take different
types of work to uncover and unlock those different abilities.
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And that's going to to be different for everybody right that's part of the learning experience but the
point is which is so critical i'm glad that you
you brought that up and that's what we were to talk about is like this
isn't about like hey look what a couple of us are doing no this is like hey
this is what we're all supposed to be doing you know right and somewhere along
the way you know that's kind of changed and so let's try to bring that back
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and then i guess and that's what and that's what this is all about.
It's really saying, hey, we're all meant to do this.
And so some of us are willing to put ourselves out there to demonstrate that, I guess.
So anyway, so that being said, how do you want to kind of get started here?
Should I start with a silly question or one of our preselected questions that
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we thought would be good to talk about?
I think, you know, if you wouldn't mind starting with one of the icebreakers,
that would be, that might be the easiest way to help ease into it. Okay.
So this is a question from Graham, because I would not have asked the question
this way. I just want to clarify that.
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Why do squirrels run away when Graham's trying to give them food?
Well, they don't run away when I'm trying to give them food.
Well, they don't run away from me too. I don't want to say when I'm trying to
feed them because that's not my experience either.
Well, I'll take that back. Some do run. I take that back. Some do run. So here we go. Sorry.
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I mean, I can change the questions. No. So this is kind of a deep one.
So first, let's start with before we became neighbors.
Neighbors so before we became neighbors right like
we we had this this land and and this thing
that was stuff was flat we ran around we did all the stuff we came
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and went it was it was pretty cool next thing we know
all of a sudden where there was this flat
land there's no longer flat land it's now raised land
so all right it's cool it's kind of you
know provide something to climb on provide some elevation to see
things with but it doesn't provide me access to the
same you know natural resources in which to live
and expand and you know that i once had so but you
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know hey look you know we're all here learning so what
it does it helped me to own my you know helps us hone our survival skills it
helps us to understand our inst you know and to what's it called not just our
survival instincts but our creative problem solving right and and and and adaptability
and you know and and being and being fluid right it doesn't make any sense to
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us while you guys choose to live in cages, but you know.
So be it, you know, we, we like freedom. And so that's one thing.
So all of a sudden I didn't know where we got these, you know,
we, we, we've got these, these, these things that pop up on,
on where we used to hang out there, you know, you're, you're,
you're, you're like 20 times the size of us.
And next thing you know, so now all of a sudden you move in and next thing we
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know you start throwing shit at.
So sorry, but all I'm doing, I'm out here in my own business,
what left, what left, what left of my area to mosey around in.
Now I got this giant throwing stuff at me how am
I supposed to know what it is I know you might think that
it's food but like seriously all I know is I got this giant
starts throwing crap at me yeah I'm gonna run away
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because so far my prior experiences haven't
exact hasn't exactly worked out you know I don't enjoy
you know you know what's it
called having stuff thrown at being thrown at and watch how I
react I don't enjoy being on you know having you know being on the other end
of a skewer you know we're not meant for eating I don't enjoy you know we don't
enjoy you know having the land taken you know so it hasn't really been you know
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it's kind of been a one-sided relationship so yeah when a giant throws stuff
at me you know I'm gonna run away,
makes sense makes sense.
So are squirrels easy to tame by humans?
Oh, this is another one. So tame, tame. When I use the word tame in the consciousness,
that definitely set off.
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They did not appreciate that word. Yeah, I know. So there's two parts to this.
So let's talk about tame.
So you would think of us as tame because once we do understand that it's food,
right, then all of a sudden, you know, we don't run and we're willing to accept food.
So you think how easily we are to tame because all you got to do is show us
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that we're food. Well, let me flip it back to you.
Part of our existence and creative problem solving survival instincts is learning
how to feed ourselves and learn how to find food.
And so if all we got to do is walk around you and near you and all of a sudden
these giants go and do all the hard work and bring the food to us,
I'm just asking who's taming who here?
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That's one perspective the other perspective is
is look if you haven't
noticed we got a pretty we got a pretty cool
suit in which to navigate this planet right to an extent you know we've got
a built-in umbrella with the tail we've got a built-in windbreaker with the
tail we can climb on everything we've got ninja-like reflexes we're fast and
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quick as can be and can go anywhere So, and,
and we're extremely playfully curious and we are super confident our ability
to get ourselves out of places.
So yeah, we're, we're willing to explore and be curious and, and, and things.
And not only that, but manipulation and isn't, isn't part of our DNA.
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Right. So if something is demonstrating kindness or compassion or helpfulness
through the means of providing nutritional value,
why should we have any reason to believe that there's any ill intent otherwise?
Ill intent doesn't really exist with us. Right.
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That makes sense. But humans, unfortunately, humans taught us ill intent.
And that's given us a sad face in why we run today. Makes sense.
So I'm trying to decide how to formulate the next question.
It seems like there's a lot of indecisiveness with squirrels in terms of crossing a road.
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Why did the squirrel cross the road? I want to know when I'm driving my car
and I see a squirrel up ahead and I'm slowing down,
but still going to go straight down this road and the squirrel waits until I'm
closer to it than far away to decide to dart across the road and then maybe
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dart back to where they were in the first place.
He's like, what's with all this indecisiveness about where they want to be while
this massive car drives by them, right?
If I was a squirrel, I feel like I would just stay put, wait for the massive
thing to move, or run away from the road instead of across the road.
So I'm really, really curious about, like, what's this about?
So as a squirrel, there's, you know, part of being in a circle of life is also
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an understanding and survival instinct is recognizing that there's things out
there that whose responsibility is to eat you. Thank you.
And as a result of that you can't you
learn and operate out you keep there's just no
operating out of fear right in the sense of you can't am
i gonna do never leave never worry never go out
in the yard because i'm worried about a hawk or some bird grabbing me
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no that's not how it works i learned how to i learned how
to crawl i learned how to hide it how to walk up against trees how
to walk up against you know things that protect me right
that that's that's what that provides lives i
see why i'm saying that to me and so that means is
when we're focused on doing something we're just simply focused on what
it is that we're here to do and so then when
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something gets catches us off guard you know yeah we get
started and and you know in nature what
you're referring to as a car look we don't have there's not
a correlation of two we don't i don't have
a the squirrels don't have a reference
point to understand depth perception
and how fast something is coming at that the car is
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coming at you in which to recognize something and
then how to react accordingly and so that indecisiveness is that is that holy
crap this thing's coming at me fast what i'm used to but go this way do i go
that way what's you know i don't have a reference point and so without knowing
what to do right then sometimes then without being able to be indecisive right?
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Look, that's part of learning and demonstrating intelligence and creative problem
solving is being in those situations.
Now, the thing that I will tell you to set your mind at ease is,
look, the same way that you guys have incarnation or reincarnation or so to
speak, or whatever, same thing here, right?
So the most beautiful thing about being a squirrel is, Look,
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we live our lives with no fear, running, jumping, built-in parachute, right?
Like, okay, and so 99.9% of our life is...
Is so carefree and fearless and doing everything and exploring anywhere that
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we want to go and getting, and getting ourselves out of all kinds of crazy spots
and learning from all of that stuff until we don't.
But you know what? That one time that we didn't, we don't remember because it's over.
Right. And so then we, right. And so we go, and so
now we take our squirrel learning's back and we go okay so
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from a surviving and navigating what worked what
didn't work why did we get caught up and you know and so
how do we create our new set of hypotheses and
to learn how to next time we see something we're not familiar with how do we
now want to try to handle that and see if that works right so that way we so
that as a squirrel we're more equipped for the unknown right all right now let's
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formulate that kind of hypotheses of what we want to learn and And then boom,
when it comes time, we'll incarnate again.
Do squirrels have any questions for humans? Do they have any curiosities about humans?
Yeah. So I asked before this if there was just a couple.
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And this is what I was given. Again, remember, guys, I'm translating this to
make this a human conversation.
So the good question is, what is your obsession with trying to touch us?
Right like this oh my god yeah like why why like i get why can't you like give
us food or whatever why you gotta keep trying to get close and touch us,
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Well, I can't speak for all humans, but I can speak for myself as like,
because you're so cute and furry, I want to pet your little head.
And, you know, yes, we like to touch cute, furry, miniature things, humans.
Well, you recognize where I come from when things come out like this,
that's called claws on a bird.
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Okay. And like, yeah. Yeah.
And, and, you know, and, and so when things, you know, we don't really,
you know, affection isn't really, you know, the way that you experience it isn't
the way that we experience it.
So we don't have, we don't have a reference point to understand this need to
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have some of that connection as a general rule, right?
Just like humans, there are highly sensitive animals,
highly sensitive people that are more of the curious, the rule breakers,
the mold breakers, the ones that push the boundaries to take the learnings then
back to the consciousness.
Because you can't have everybody doing that, right? Otherwise,
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you can't maintain order.
But you need to have a small percentage. So, yes, there are some squirrels,
though, that will become more adventurous and engage in all those other things.
And that are willing to, you know, make their quote unquote little sacrifices
of their square lives in case things don't go right, you know,
for the, for the greater learning and evolution of all.
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Okay. Anything else they want to know?
Oh, so yes, I was saying, yeah, what is it? So yeah, that, here we go.
This is another, like from your perspective, if you think about us,
what's in it, what do you think is in it for us to interact with you?
Well, if I'm offering food, if
a human is offering food, there's some free food, easy food, right? Yeah.
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Are y'all as curious about us as we are about you?
Like you get to satisfy some curiosity, some exploration, some connection with
other species, perhaps?
You know, there's, it's funny you say that.
There was a time when there was connectivity openly.
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But due to changes in the nature of the relationship where we went from friends
to food, that psychic connection was kind of cut.
And so, you know, there is there as like many things that are happening in the
evolution of the planet right now,
you know, many animals that had cut off some of that quote unquote psychic connectivity
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is also now starting to get it back.
And and as and being able to connect as
there are more human friends
to be their advocates and and and you know
provide you know safe spaces for them you know to have access to resources and
things like that and so I think that that's the what's in it for us is that's
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really I think that's the biggest thing is is trying to figure out is how do
we help to let you know how to be advocates for us and for what we need.
And when I say us and what we need, that's going to vary place by place all over the time.
It's not that it's more than that. So I should be saying as well,
I need to feed what we need to figure out is how to better help you to understand
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us when we're trying to talk to you or share things with you or how adverse
things happening in the environment are being displayed through us.
And maybe the, and so I think that, you know, that would be.
You know, a great jumping off point of trying to expand the equality between
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us as living, conscious, sentient
beings who both have equal rights to Earth's resources to survive.
Right, right. I don't know that there's anything that a squirrel should be doing for that.
I think it's humans educating other humans about the value of all of Earth's creatures.
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And it's going to be some people like
that's food that's a rodent that's you know
that's a pest i i need to get rid of like they're not everybody's
going to be willing to to see animals the way you and i do or the way gram and
i do yeah so interesting i'm glad you brought that up because Because there's
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a time of evolution and change that it takes for stuff.
But there was... I didn't want to interrupt you. There's something that's really important.
Oh, which is... Oh, I know what this is. But I think you're right.
And that's actually one of the things that is actually really sad.
Because when I start to think about... And even though we're talking about squirrels,
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squirrels just happen to be the animal that has made itself available to me.
To learn from and things like that, right?
This concept applies to everything. Okay.
And squirrels also just happen to, just like humans, animals have different
evolutions of consciousness amongst them and within them, right?
They don't all start at the same level, right?
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Like the same way that some humans, you could say, have had 1,000 lifetimes.
Well, you have squirrels that have had 1,000 lifetimes. You've had squirrels
that have had 100 lifetimes, and humans have had 100 lifetimes,
right? And so that's why they act differently, the same as us.
But right and so they're the and
so while they're so they are also trying to
figure out you know how do we make that connection but even just because and
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this is where this was kind of a sad realization that i had as i was conducting
this conversation amongst consciousnesses was that look humans acknowledge that
other humans are conscious and sentient beings and they treat them like shit it.
They treat them horribly. Right. So just simply proving, right.
So proving that an animal is a conscious or sentient being in itself is not
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going to, is not going to create any sort of change. Right.
And so, but so the first step is look, as soon as humans got us,
you know, the humans value in life is the first step, both human life, animal life.
Some humans come wired to value human life over animal life.
So great. Then let's let them work on understanding and getting human life better.
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Then there's other humans that come wired to better understand that can more
adapt and appreciate animal life more.
Great. Well then let's let, let those humans work on loving,
you know, and supporting, you know, animal life. Right.
And then, but the important thing is we're, you know, we're supporting life
and getting along and cooperation and working together.
And, and I think if we look around both at the planet and the state of the planet as a,
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as, as, as nature, as a biologic entity, that's not going so great. Right.
You know, nature seems to be getting a little upset and fighting back.
And then if you take a look at, you know, how the humans are treating each other,
that doesn't seem to be going so great.
And so in the vein of what's called evolution, right. Then, you know,
we also then take a look at then how do we treat the animals and the planet.
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Right. And, and there are some segments of humanity that believe that's that
have a very parasitic relationship.
Versus understanding that there is a balance of what can be given and what can
be taken for things to work in harmony, equilibrium with each other.
And we've crossed that tipping point just because it hasn't fully manifested
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itself doesn't mean it hasn't been crossed.
And so trying to figure out where that balance lies And that's because,
look, that is just respect.
I mean, because the bigger thing that aligns nature,
humans and animals on land and in the water is acknowledging that everybody
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is that life is life and everybody has equal right to its resources.
Right. There's nobody created this planet. There's nobody that's on this earth
that created this earth as a human being.
Right so for anybody to claim ownership over and
over and to say that over another anything else
right is just crazy and or even if
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somebody believes that world and if somebody believes that we're alone in this
universe wow well isn't that then if we're alone wow let's stop fighting with
each other let's start understanding and then this sort of appreciating how
rare it is not just to be of that alone but to have all of these other sentient
and conscious beings in which to interact and live and learn with. Right.
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And let's, and let's, and let's treasure that and foster that.
Let's not abuse that.
Yes. And so I, you know, the, I guess I just say to, to say that one of the
things I'm trying to figure out that is, is right, is how do we get.
How do we jumpstart that evolution?
(31:52):
Right. I wish I, what I wish I knew what could be demonstrated,
to get a better to get a better respect for life and a better uh appreciation
for life um and i bet it and yeah so that what i spend but as you can see there's
(32:15):
a lot that makes us the same.
You know, we're all trying to live. We're all trying to survive.
We're all trying to get more intelligent.
We're all trying to, you know, to have experiences and livings and learnings
to send back to our consciousness for the improvement of our species.
Right. I mean, there's no, and we're all establishing our survival instincts too.
(32:36):
Right. Everyone survives. Everyone deals with survival. and so anyway i don't
know i think that this probably this thankfully this ended up being a much more
fruitful conversation than i think than what then maybe where i thought it might go,
so i don't know ruby unless there's anything that you that's kind of jumping
out for you you know i think you know we're probably you know in a good spot
(32:59):
to to wrap up the conversation how How do you do? Yeah, this feels like a wrap.
Thank you for this fun little experiment.
Yeah, this was a lot of fun. I can't lie.
I am experiencing joy, you know, feeling for representing my little squirrel
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friends and animal friends.
Because, you know, I volunteer to be in service to them as well, right?
Right. And so I really appreciate you helping me to know, you know,
to know more about what I don't know and to understand abilities,
you know, better and to and to try and do, you know, look, build bridges.
Right. That's what that's what we're all you know, what we're all about here is building bridges.
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So thank you so much, Ruby, for for doing this. Thank you, listeners.
Hopefully, you know, gosh, you know, penny for everyone's thoughts after they've
been listening to this one as well.
But I hope some of you were but I hope that it brought some smiles and and and
helps some others to feel comfortable in their skin as well right because that's
(34:04):
what this is about so hope everybody listening has themselves fantastic and awesome thank you.
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