AI-driven search has changed the rules—visibility isn’t just about ranking anymore, it’s about being the next step. In this episode, John, Jim, and Kelly unpack what it takes to earn attention and trust when clicks are disappearing.
They break down how Google’s AI and chat-based search tools decide what to show, why generic messaging gets filtered out, and how brands can win with specificity, trust signals, and real information gain. You’ll learn how to move your CTAs higher, structure content for both AI and human readers, and position your business as the obvious answer—no click required.
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“You used to want to be the first click. Now that click doesn't even exist—you need to be the next step.” — Jim
“Generic messaging won’t get you disqualified by customers—it’ll get you disqualified by the algorithm.” — Kelly
“Content that helps before they contact you? That’s today’s handshake.” — Kelly
“You can’t out-keyword your way into AI answers. You have to out-inform.” — John
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