March 13, 2025 • 26 mins
Dan Hoard discusses dunks, backflips and handstands with Cincinnati’s new 330-pound defensive tackle T.J. Slaton Jr. Plus, Dan visits with Charles Davis who calls NFL games for CBS Sports and covers the draft for the NFL Network.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi, get everybody on Dan Horden. Thanks for downloading The
Bengals Booth Podcast. The Go Big, Go Big, Go Big,
Go Big. Addition, as I introduce you to the new
very large man in the middle of the Bengals defense,
TJ Slayton. Then it's my final interview from the NFL
Scouting Combine as we hear from Charles Davis from CBS Sports.
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greatest thing since changing clocks. I did not enjoy losing
an hour of sleep last weekend for daylight savings, but
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I did enjoy going around the house and changing our clocks.
It's the one area of my life where I might
have a slight case of OCD. You see, it's not
enough to just change the clocks. I have to make
sure they are synced up perfectly twice a year when
it's time to spring forward or fall back. So in
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our kitchen, for example, I will make sure that the
clocks on the wall, coffee maker oven, and toaster oven
are all set within a split second of each other.
Is it a little obsessive? Absolutely? Is it also oddly satisfying? Three?
Two one? Yes. Now let's get to my first guest.
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So far, in free agency, the Bengals have re signed
several of their own key players, including Mike Kasiki, B J. Hill, and,
according to published reports, Joseph Oside. They've brought back a
valuable player from the Super Bowl fifty six team in
running back sama J. P Rin, and added a couple
of players from other teams. Linebacker Orrin Berks, who played
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nearly every snap on defense for Philly in the Eagle
Super Bowl win over the Chiefs, is expected to put
pen to paper early next week, and defensive tackle TJ. Slayton,
who started every game for Green Bay over the last
couple of years, signed his Bengals contract on Thursday. It's
reportedly a two year, fourteen million dollar deal. Two years ago,
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Pro Football Focus ranked the three hundred and thirty pounds
Slaton as the number two nose tackle in the NFL
behind the New York Giants Dexter Lawrence. When the Bengals
hired new defensive coordinator Al gold and I asked him
about trying to acquire somebody like Slayton. Do you feel
like it's important to add size inside, particularly playing six
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games in the AFC.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
North, no doubt, especially with the running attacks that we'll see.
I haven't looked at the schedule yet. Overall, that's something
we'll do in the off season. But obviously if you
can stop the run, and more importantly than that is
you can't always play an out number box in this
day and age in the NFL, and so you need
some guys that can gap in half or get the
ball on the ground without having an out number box.
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And I think that's where the scheme is important. That's
where having that size and strength, and you know, those
are the guys that you know, we're hoping to move
forward with. You know in the future.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Slayton certainly has size and strength, but he's also an
athletic freak, and that's where I started our conversation. TJ.
You are six four three point thirty, but I looked
up some footage on the internet and saw you doing
a windmill dunk just a few years ago. Can you
still dunk at your size? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, I mean because I'm still working out all the time,
so the body is still able to do those things.
So you know, I don't think I ever really lost it.
It's just every now and then you just slow down,
but you know, you got to pick it back up.
So usually in the offseason I play basketball.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
So what are the some of the freaky athletic things
that you've done at your size that have made other
people go, come.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
On, no way, I've did a I've done a couple
of things, handstands, bat flips, headstands, spin around on it
like on the ground on your back.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
It a lot, so backflip every now and then.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I try to stay away from the bat flips, but
they could be done.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
All right, I'd like to see it. That's pretty incredible.
So I think people listening to this know that you
spent four years with the Green Bay Packers, and for
the first three of those seasons, Jerry Montgomery was your
defensive line coach. He's now here with that job in Cincinnati.
How big of a factor was that connection?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Uh? It was big. It was pretty big. Uh. I
was one of the I was one of the guys
that didn't want to see him go. But now that
we and we're both in a place where, you know,
we feel good about one another, So I think it's
gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
He's a young guy. He almost looks like he could
still play. He played your position, he played tackle. Yeah.
Uh does that help you connect with him? Uh?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Most definitely, because then he he understands the ins and outs. Uh,
he understands, like if something was going wrong in the game,
he he can get it, cause like, well, we played
the same position, So I understand what exactly what you're
going through, what you're seeing, so I can I know
exactly what you need for me to help you get
better at the position. So that's good.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So your eyes kind of light up as you describe that.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Cause it's as I'm saying, as a
football player, you always want to get better, you know,
you always want to try and find some knowledge or
find some something in the game that helped you play faster,
or you knowing the formation or knowing where the running
back's going to help you play faster so you can
be successful.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
We're visiting the TJ. Slayton. The Bengals have struggled at
stopping the run the last couple of years. You are
known for your ability to stop the run. Do you
take run stopper as a compliment?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I take it as that's what I do because at
the end of the day, I know I'm not the
best pass rusher. I'm not saying I can't pass rush,
but stopping the run is my number one on when
it comes to the list of things to do in
the game, I gotta stop the run before I can
rush the passer or play a screen or whatever. I
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got to stop the run first.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
ESPN graded you as the number one defensive tackle in
run stopping win rate last year. I assume that you've
heard that or saw that stat what's a take. What's
it take to be the guy that does the dirty
work and stops to run.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
It's all in the technique. Come out your hips, use
your hands, knock the guy back and shed them off
and make the play.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
How much of it is want to.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Every play, every player that you see, you want to make.
You want to make it. You want you want to
play to be yours. So at the end of the day,
like you going as hard as you can to try
to make that play. So I feel like i'ma be
able to trans I feel like I'm gonna be able
to transition pretty well.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Here. Defense takes all eleven. But how much of a
difference can one guy make at stopping the run in
the middle of the defensive.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Line, Because it's like it's it's like it gets repetitive,
it gets like frustrating for the running back, like he
keeps trying to run the ball in the A gaps,
keep trying to run the ball in the B gaps,
and it's not working.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Like what's going on.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
It's gonna it's kind of demoralizing for offense that they
can't run the ball. So it's like, that's that's good
for my confidence, and I'm pretty sure that's gonna be
good for it nobody else confidence around me. It's like,
we're doing our job, so that's something we should, you know,
we should feel good about.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
We're chatting with TJ. Slayton, one of your most impressive
traits in your four NFL seasons is that you've never
missed a game regular season or postseason, and the Packers
went to the playoffs three times in your four years.
You had to play through a lot. I mean, nobody
stays completely healthy through seventeen eighteen nineteen games, whatever it
was in a season. What were some of the thought
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some of the things you gutted through.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I've had my knicks, uh, thumbs, fingers, turf toe, ankle
ten and night is shoulders. It's not easy, you know,
but I love the game and I don't want to
miss a game, so I always try to. I don't know,
I fight through a lot of stuff and that that's
good and a bad thing, but I don't view it
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as a bad thing because I want to be out there. Uh.
I probably mostly one hundred percent of the time, I'm
will tell the Chrainers however, I feel I'm still going
to play.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
But it's just like I think, I honestly believe, like
it's me not growing up with like brothers. So I
always want to, you know, be out there playing with
my brothers, and I always wanted to. I don't want
to miss a game because I know how they feel
when they miss a game, So I don't want that feeling.
But at the end of the day, like, that's how
that's how I see it.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
That means a lot to the people in the room.
How much respect do you think you've gained for your
teammates in Green Bay from never missing a game in
four years.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I'm pretty sure they can look back on it and
be like, he's solid, he ain't gonna miss a game.
He always gonna play through whatever he got going on,
or at least he's gonna try. I think one thing
they can probably say, it could say is about me,
is like I play I played hard when I was
out there.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You were a high school All American as an offensive lineman.
I know you played both, but you're graded as the
number three guard in your high school class. How did
you become a defensive lineman full time at Florida?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Uh? I just switched, just switched over. I asks the coaches, like,
you know, could I play defense?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
They was like, and they said they needed some help.
They agreed to it, and that's how we ended up
on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Do you like that side of the ball more? Having
played both?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I like defense?
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Better.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I like defense better. Offense was fun in high school,
you know, blocking for Tony Mitchell and Isaiah McKinsey and
all that. That was fun, but it was like when
I was chasing back then, I was chasing like individual success.
So once I got to college, that kind of defense
showed me, you know, what it all was about. And
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on defensive side of the ball, it takes all the living.
So and once I got behind that, and once I
started believing in that, everything just started falling into place
and everything really started taking off.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Jerry Montgomery is not your only connection at Cincinnati. Your
former high school and college team. Marco Wilson is here,
Money mac Evan McPherson is here. Does that add to
your comfort level knowing that you'll walk into a locker
room with some guys that you've already played with.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, you know, I trained with I trained with cam Uh,
So that was fun. You know, it's always, you know,
fun to be around people that you've known before, So
it brings you some comfort, so you don't feel like
you're all alone in a new place. So that's good.
That's that's actually great for me because I mean I
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wouldn't say it like it gets to me. But it's good,
you know, to have people around that.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
You know Cam Sample when you said you trained with Cam, Yeah,
because there's Cam Taylor Britt as well, so just.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Check it is Sample the Detagler.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
So you had it good in Green Bay. The team
was good, you had individual success. I know you weren't
necessarily looking to leave, but football is a business. Did
this underscore or that aspect of the career?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Oh, I wouldn't say underscore. It was just like, you know,
I got drafted there, four year deal. You know, it
came to it and you thought you did enough, you know,
to stay, or you did enough to deserve to stay,
but you know that just wasn't the case. So no
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hard feelings, you know, it's just it's just time to
move on.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Your rookie year, the Bengals went to the Super Bowl.
The next year, they went to the AFC Championship Game.
Obviously the last couple of years haven't gone quite as well.
But since you've been in this league, the Bengals have
been considered to be a contender. Yeah, what's that mean
to you? Joining the team now.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
That means they have the guys, That mean they have
the vision and they have the mindset to go out
there and execute and get to the dance. So like
realizing that, how can you not say though, you got
people around here, even people upstairs, who understand what it
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takes to get to the most important game that we
all dream of playing in. So it's just like, no
disrespect to the guys at Green Bay. I'm not saying
they didn't know what I'm saying, but this organization has
been there and then has been close the next year,
so they know exactly what it takes to get over
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the hunt of those first two games that you need
to get over in the playoffs. So it's like, Okay,
I got that, plus I got a coach, and plus
I got a team, so it's like, all right, cool,
I can work for that.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I think if you ask a lot of people around
the league about the Bengals, they would say, as long
as you got a quarterback like Joe Burrow, you got
a chance to win the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
He got pieces. I think the offense is great, especially
with the receivers him the running back all the way
down to Olamas. So I know from watching them from TV,
I know that he got it under control, you know,
And I know from the TV that, like, you know,
you could tell from his eyes that you know, he
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want to play, He want to win the championship. He
wanted to continue to be a you know, a great quarterback.
Obviously you could tell he doesn't want like the little
things to happen, interceptions, the close losses, like nobody wants that.
But I can get behind Joe.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
You're an established bro, You're not a fan boy. But
is there anybody here that you're kind of excited to meet,
whether it's Joe or Jamar or anybody else on the steam?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Uh, I think, I think, I think I have fun,
you know, chopping up with bj like for the first time.
I mean, I've watched highlights and I've seen him, but
I ain't really get to see him. I ain't really
get to speak to him or like understand like you know,
where his football game comes from or whatever whatnot, so
that it's gonna be interested.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, you guys will hit it off famously, I'm sure. Uh,
you are exactly what this defense needs, a big immovable
object in the middle of the defensive line. We're happier here.
I appreciate your time. Look forward to seeing you play
this year.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Appreciate it. With Slayton in the middle of their defense,
the Packers finished third in the NFL in rushing yards
allowed per attempt and seventh and rushing alloweds per game.
Last year. The Bengals were sixteenth and nineteenth in those
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Up next Charles Davis, who calls NFL games for CBS
and covers the draft for the NFL Network. I caught
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up with him recently at the NFL Scouting Combine, a
few days after Duke toe and called the Bengals a
championship caliber team.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
I agree with Duke that they are championship caliber team.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
I think what we've got to look at, though, is
they didn't make it two years ago, and that was
an easy reason why Joe.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Burrow was hurt last year.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
Not making a little more problematic so I think, based
off of what I'm seeing, what Duke's saying is, we
have pieces, we have players. What he's expecting is players
to play better and new staff, especially on the defensive
side of the ball, that they will be better that way.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
And if so, they're right back in the mixing, back
in the fight.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
I think that he is saying that to make sure
everybody knows this organization doesn't plan to go anywhere, and
behind the scenes, I think he must to make a
few moves.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
He also expressed confidence that they can extend the contracts
of Jamar Chase t Higgins and Trey Hendrickson. It's obviously
a lot of money. Do you buy it? Do you
find yourself skeptical? Where do you stand on that?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
I buy it?
Speaker 5 (16:57):
And the reason I buy it is that quarterback. You know,
when you have him, you gotta figure it out. Okay,
I realize he said the windows always open if I'm here.
That's great confidence, and in most cases he's probably right.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
But he can't do it by himself.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
He's got to have that help and you have to
have your core. And Dan, we've seen wherever the best
teams are, their core kind of stays intact. And you
have to build into pieces around them because of free
agency and how people move, but that core goes with you.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
That's a pretty good core right there. Best pass you know, number.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
One sat guy last year, number one receiver with the
triple crowd quarterback dead in any other year was an MVP.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
You better take care of everyone.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Oh, by the way, T Higgins, Reggie Wayne, and Marvin Harrison.
Harrison was the one, Wayne was the two. Harrison retires,
Wayne became the one seamlessly. This is one of the
few places where you could envision that as well. If
Jamar Chase isn't there, you have a one and is.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
T Higgins and no issue with spending that much money
on one position.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Group is always an issue, but you've got to figure
it out because that's how you score points, that's where
your identity is, that's where your team is. So if
you're going to put the money in there, you may
not be able to put the same money in your defense.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
But your defense has to play to a minimum level.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Last year they didn't for whatever reason. They did not
surprise me as much as problem with anyone else out there.
But if they just play to a minimum level with
that offense, you.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Like your chances.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Have you been at all surprised by how public Joe
Burrow has been, beginning with about a month ago in
the season, for what he would like to see the
Bengals front office do.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
With most people, I'd say yes.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
With Joe Burrow, I say no, because that's to me,
that's the core of who.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Joe Burrow is not going to talk a heck of
a lot. You know that better than anyone. He's not.
You know, like when we do our production meetings with him, he.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Comes in, he shakes hands, he sits down, he looks
at the comp does't he like, time's yours?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
What do you want? And I think that we're very
good with at our crew.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
We believe that we are, and we hope that Joe
would agree with us, ask our questions. Don't linger. We're
not trying to play hail fellow. Well met He doesn't
care about that. He's not rude, but that's not what
his business is. His business winning football games. That's why
I'm not surprised he said something. He knows he's the franchise,
he knows he's the guy, and he knows what he
wants out of his team and his offense, and there's
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a loyalty in that statement as well.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
These guys are produced for me. I want them taking care.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Of Charles Davis is our guest. I've heard from several
NFL draft gurus that if you are looking for defensive linemen,
this is a good year to need them. Do you agree?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I agree totally.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
And you know my colleague Daniel Jeremiah, who is the
best in this business of this draft stuff from our.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
TV side, He's called a meat and potatoes draft, so
I don't see any reason to try and term it
anything else.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
I think that he is right about that. They're defensive
lineman all the way through. Big guys inside edge Rusher's
not quite the same, but still guys who can make
plays like Landon Jackson is this big monster guy from
from Arkansas. Love the way he plays, will battle you,
get the extra effort and all probably not double digitsat
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guy though, even though he's gonna probably play on the edge,
but he'll beat you.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Up all day long. All right, Can you move inside?
Speaker 5 (20:22):
And you know you got Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant
from Michigan. I don't know how anyone move the ball
on that duo. And that's just a couple of guys
that we're starting with. We could go out all day,
but I think he's right.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I don't think i've seen Charles Davis's mock draft one
point oh yet. It's not out there yet. Any thought though,
what position group or where you're likely to have the
Bengals choosing.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Boy, I hadn't even thought about that part of it yet.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
I have to wait and see, Dan, We'll see where
we go.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I'm gonna end up doing three, all right.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
I'll do one probably right after probably about the week
after the combine, be my first one, and then there'll
be a second, probably mid March, and then a third
one right before the draft, and we'll just see where
it all goes.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
But I know this, We're not.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Gonna have to wait to number fifteen pick to get
our first defensive player this year.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
The Philadelphia Eagles are the reigning Super Bowl champions. They've
done a phenomenal job in team building. Howie Roseman gets
all the flowers, and it's well deserved. Is there anything
Philly is doing that Cincinnati can steal or can try
to emulate from a team building standpoint?
Speaker 5 (21:32):
I think they're doing what all teams talk to us
about they're just doing it really well, and that is
you take care of your lines, your offensive and defensive lines, and.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
You work your way from there. But they've hit, you
know they've hit.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
It's not just drafting people and hoping. You're always hoping
when you draft, they've really hit. Like Jalen Carter was
not supposed to be available at the number nine pick.
He was the best player in the draft, and then
he got in trouble right before the draft. So now
he goes into play and when he got to a
certain range, Philadelphia said go and they jumped up and
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got him. And I think they had to go what
two spots to get him because at ten he was
gonna be gone. Guess what they got it done. Jordan
Davis has elevated his play as a first round guy
inside and has increased stamina. You know, you flicking that
offensive line model. One thing I think Hawi Rosemand does
really well is that he drafts ahead of time. For drafting.
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Cam Jurgens came in as their center of the future
for Jason Kelsey. You remember Dan, We thought maybe Jason
was going one more year, but.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
He go another three.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
So they put Cam Jurgens a guard and told that,
so he's gonna get experienced. He moved over seamlessly. This year,
they're still running that quarterback lead and he's the one
snapman and pulling.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
If you didn't see a sixty te right, if you
didn't see his number, you'd swear Kelsey was back out
there doing it again.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
That was how he roseman, seeing future, getting ahead of it,
and already backfilling off of it.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
About Mackay Beckton, Remember the T shirt you wore. I
am a.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Left tackle, and okay, you may think your left tack,
but you're on your last stop here, dude, all right,
because you're gonna compete to be the swing tackle.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
And then one day someone was.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Out and Jeff Stoutlin, the great Offensilza, take some reps
at guard. Oh and then he said, okay, guess what,
You're not competing for the starting guard job with Tyler
Steve wins the job.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
You think you could get Mackai beck Dion to want
to be a tackle again. No, his whole career is transformed.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
They do a great job drafting, they do a great
job developing, coaching, all those things that go along with it.
To me, the lesson is you have to have it all.
You can't just have the draft, you can't just have
the coaching, can't just have the talent.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Philadelphia maximizes it, every bit of it.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
You have had the good fortune misfortune. I don't know
of calling the Bengals season opener in recent years, and
clearly this is something that's got to be fixed. Yeah,
well they got to find a way to fix it.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and
hoping for a different result, So they've got to mix
it up. Any theories, I wish.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
I had one, because I thought we had it last year.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Dan.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Truthfully, I thought the theory was very simple, that Joe
Burrow had been hurt right or coming off of injury
the year before, so his preseason wasn't full on.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Remember what was it happened Deck to me? One year?
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Right, he's coming off in acl one year, all those things.
Last year we didn't have that. He was able to
practice full I thought, boy, they are primed now to
get out of the gate and go.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
No one more surprised. Listen, I know Cincinnati fans were stunned.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
No one was more surprised than us in the announcementoth
watching that New England opener, none of us like, in
no way anyone saw it. I think we go into
every game knowing anything can happen, but we're human. No
one that like, WHOA, what just happened here? So my
theory's out in the window. Now I've got nothing because
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I thought the theory was just get Joe healthy and
have a good preseason. That wasn't it either.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Well, we'll see if they play guys in the preseason
what else they might try. I'm sure they're gonna try
something different. We'll see if it produces a better result.
In any case, you're crazy busy here in Indianapolis. I
really appreciate you getting us some of your time. Look
forward to a seeing you next year.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Hey, no busier than you are. Thanks a lot. It's
always great to see you.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Since that conversation, Charles has released his first mock draft.
He has quarterbacks Shador Sanders, cam Ward and Jackson Dart
going one, two three, and has the Bengals selecting Texas
A and m Edge rusher Shamar Stewart seventeenth overall. Stuart
is six' five just under two hundred and seventy pounds
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and ran the forty yard dash in four point five nine.
Seconds his vertical, leap again at nearly two hundred and seventy,
pounds was forty. Inches the knock On steward is that
his incredible athleticism didn't lead to great production At TEXAS
a AND. M he had four and a half sacks
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very large man in the middle of the Bengals defense,
TJ Slayton. Then it's my final interview from the NFL
Scouting Combine as we hear from Charles Davis from CBS Sports.
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an hour of sleep last weekend for daylight savings, but
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I did enjoy going around the house and changing our clocks.
It's the one area of my life where I might
have a slight case of OCD. You see, it's not
enough to just change the clocks. I have to make
sure they are synced up perfectly twice a year when
it's time to spring forward or fall back. So in
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our kitchen, for example, I will make sure that the
clocks on the wall, coffee maker oven, and toaster oven
are all set within a split second of each other.
Is it a little obsessive? Absolutely? Is it also oddly satisfying? Three?
Two one? Yes. Now let's get to my first guest.
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So far, in free agency, the Bengals have re signed
several of their own key players, including Mike Kasiki, B J. Hill, and,
according to published reports, Joseph Oside. They've brought back a
valuable player from the Super Bowl fifty six team in
running back sama J. P Rin, and added a couple
of players from other teams. Linebacker Orrin Berks, who played
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nearly every snap on defense for Philly in the Eagle
Super Bowl win over the Chiefs, is expected to put
pen to paper early next week, and defensive tackle TJ. Slayton,
who started every game for Green Bay over the last
couple of years, signed his Bengals contract on Thursday. It's
reportedly a two year, fourteen million dollar deal. Two years ago,
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Pro Football Focus ranked the three hundred and thirty pounds
Slaton as the number two nose tackle in the NFL
behind the New York Giants Dexter Lawrence. When the Bengals
hired new defensive coordinator Al gold and I asked him
about trying to acquire somebody like Slayton. Do you feel
like it's important to add size inside, particularly playing six
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games in the AFC.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
North, no doubt, especially with the running attacks that we'll see.
I haven't looked at the schedule yet. Overall, that's something
we'll do in the off season. But obviously if you
can stop the run, and more importantly than that is
you can't always play an out number box in this
day and age in the NFL, and so you need
some guys that can gap in half or get the
ball on the ground without having an out number box.
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And I think that's where the scheme is important. That's
where having that size and strength, and you know, those
are the guys that you know, we're hoping to move
forward with. You know in the future.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Slayton certainly has size and strength, but he's also an
athletic freak, and that's where I started our conversation. TJ.
You are six four three point thirty, but I looked
up some footage on the internet and saw you doing
a windmill dunk just a few years ago. Can you
still dunk at your size? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, I mean because I'm still working out all the time,
so the body is still able to do those things.
So you know, I don't think I ever really lost it.
It's just every now and then you just slow down,
but you know, you got to pick it back up.
So usually in the offseason I play basketball.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
So what are the some of the freaky athletic things
that you've done at your size that have made other
people go, come.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
On, no way, I've did a I've done a couple
of things, handstands, bat flips, headstands, spin around on it
like on the ground on your back.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
It a lot, so backflip every now and then.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I try to stay away from the bat flips, but
they could be done.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
All right, I'd like to see it. That's pretty incredible.
So I think people listening to this know that you
spent four years with the Green Bay Packers, and for
the first three of those seasons, Jerry Montgomery was your
defensive line coach. He's now here with that job in Cincinnati.
How big of a factor was that connection?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Uh? It was big. It was pretty big. Uh. I
was one of the I was one of the guys
that didn't want to see him go. But now that
we and we're both in a place where, you know,
we feel good about one another, So I think it's
gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
He's a young guy. He almost looks like he could
still play. He played your position, he played tackle. Yeah.
Uh does that help you connect with him? Uh?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Most definitely, because then he he understands the ins and outs. Uh,
he understands, like if something was going wrong in the game,
he he can get it, cause like, well, we played
the same position, So I understand what exactly what you're
going through, what you're seeing, so I can I know
exactly what you need for me to help you get
better at the position. So that's good.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So your eyes kind of light up as you describe that.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Cause it's as I'm saying, as a
football player, you always want to get better, you know,
you always want to try and find some knowledge or
find some something in the game that helped you play faster,
or you knowing the formation or knowing where the running
back's going to help you play faster so you can
be successful.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
We're visiting the TJ. Slayton. The Bengals have struggled at
stopping the run the last couple of years. You are
known for your ability to stop the run. Do you
take run stopper as a compliment?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I take it as that's what I do because at
the end of the day, I know I'm not the
best pass rusher. I'm not saying I can't pass rush,
but stopping the run is my number one on when
it comes to the list of things to do in
the game, I gotta stop the run before I can
rush the passer or play a screen or whatever. I
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got to stop the run first.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
ESPN graded you as the number one defensive tackle in
run stopping win rate last year. I assume that you've
heard that or saw that stat what's a take. What's
it take to be the guy that does the dirty
work and stops to run.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
It's all in the technique. Come out your hips, use
your hands, knock the guy back and shed them off
and make the play.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
How much of it is want to.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Every play, every player that you see, you want to make.
You want to make it. You want you want to
play to be yours. So at the end of the day,
like you going as hard as you can to try
to make that play. So I feel like i'ma be
able to trans I feel like I'm gonna be able
to transition pretty well.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Here. Defense takes all eleven. But how much of a
difference can one guy make at stopping the run in
the middle of the defensive.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Line, Because it's like it's it's like it gets repetitive,
it gets like frustrating for the running back, like he
keeps trying to run the ball in the A gaps,
keep trying to run the ball in the B gaps,
and it's not working.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Like what's going on.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
It's gonna it's kind of demoralizing for offense that they
can't run the ball. So it's like, that's that's good
for my confidence, and I'm pretty sure that's gonna be
good for it nobody else confidence around me. It's like,
we're doing our job, so that's something we should, you know,
we should feel good about.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
We're chatting with TJ. Slayton, one of your most impressive
traits in your four NFL seasons is that you've never
missed a game regular season or postseason, and the Packers
went to the playoffs three times in your four years.
You had to play through a lot. I mean, nobody
stays completely healthy through seventeen eighteen nineteen games, whatever it
was in a season. What were some of the thought
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some of the things you gutted through.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I've had my knicks, uh, thumbs, fingers, turf toe, ankle
ten and night is shoulders. It's not easy, you know,
but I love the game and I don't want to
miss a game, so I always try to. I don't know,
I fight through a lot of stuff and that that's
good and a bad thing, but I don't view it
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as a bad thing because I want to be out there. Uh.
I probably mostly one hundred percent of the time, I'm
will tell the Chrainers however, I feel I'm still going
to play.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
But it's just like I think, I honestly believe, like
it's me not growing up with like brothers. So I
always want to, you know, be out there playing with
my brothers, and I always wanted to. I don't want
to miss a game because I know how they feel
when they miss a game, So I don't want that feeling.
But at the end of the day, like, that's how
that's how I see it.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
That means a lot to the people in the room.
How much respect do you think you've gained for your
teammates in Green Bay from never missing a game in
four years.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I'm pretty sure they can look back on it and
be like, he's solid, he ain't gonna miss a game.
He always gonna play through whatever he got going on,
or at least he's gonna try. I think one thing
they can probably say, it could say is about me,
is like I play I played hard when I was
out there.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You were a high school All American as an offensive lineman.
I know you played both, but you're graded as the
number three guard in your high school class. How did
you become a defensive lineman full time at Florida?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Uh? I just switched, just switched over. I asks the coaches, like,
you know, could I play defense?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
They was like, and they said they needed some help.
They agreed to it, and that's how we ended up
on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Do you like that side of the ball more? Having
played both?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I like defense?
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Better.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I like defense better. Offense was fun in high school,
you know, blocking for Tony Mitchell and Isaiah McKinsey and
all that. That was fun, but it was like when
I was chasing back then, I was chasing like individual success.
So once I got to college, that kind of defense
showed me, you know, what it all was about. And
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on defensive side of the ball, it takes all the living.
So and once I got behind that, and once I
started believing in that, everything just started falling into place
and everything really started taking off.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Jerry Montgomery is not your only connection at Cincinnati. Your
former high school and college team. Marco Wilson is here,
Money mac Evan McPherson is here. Does that add to
your comfort level knowing that you'll walk into a locker
room with some guys that you've already played with.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, you know, I trained with I trained with cam Uh,
So that was fun. You know, it's always, you know,
fun to be around people that you've known before, So
it brings you some comfort, so you don't feel like
you're all alone in a new place. So that's good.
That's that's actually great for me because I mean I
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wouldn't say it like it gets to me. But it's good,
you know, to have people around that.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
You know Cam Sample when you said you trained with Cam, Yeah,
because there's Cam Taylor Britt as well, so just.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Check it is Sample the Detagler.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
So you had it good in Green Bay. The team
was good, you had individual success. I know you weren't
necessarily looking to leave, but football is a business. Did
this underscore or that aspect of the career?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Oh, I wouldn't say underscore. It was just like, you know,
I got drafted there, four year deal. You know, it
came to it and you thought you did enough, you know,
to stay, or you did enough to deserve to stay,
but you know that just wasn't the case. So no
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hard feelings, you know, it's just it's just time to
move on.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Your rookie year, the Bengals went to the Super Bowl.
The next year, they went to the AFC Championship Game.
Obviously the last couple of years haven't gone quite as well.
But since you've been in this league, the Bengals have
been considered to be a contender. Yeah, what's that mean
to you? Joining the team now.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
That means they have the guys, That mean they have
the vision and they have the mindset to go out
there and execute and get to the dance. So like
realizing that, how can you not say though, you got
people around here, even people upstairs, who understand what it
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takes to get to the most important game that we
all dream of playing in. So it's just like, no
disrespect to the guys at Green Bay. I'm not saying
they didn't know what I'm saying, but this organization has
been there and then has been close the next year,
so they know exactly what it takes to get over
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the hunt of those first two games that you need
to get over in the playoffs. So it's like, Okay,
I got that, plus I got a coach, and plus
I got a team, so it's like, all right, cool,
I can work for that.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I think if you ask a lot of people around
the league about the Bengals, they would say, as long
as you got a quarterback like Joe Burrow, you got
a chance to win the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
He got pieces. I think the offense is great, especially
with the receivers him the running back all the way
down to Olamas. So I know from watching them from TV,
I know that he got it under control, you know,
And I know from the TV that, like, you know,
you could tell from his eyes that you know, he
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want to play, He want to win the championship. He
wanted to continue to be a you know, a great quarterback.
Obviously you could tell he doesn't want like the little
things to happen, interceptions, the close losses, like nobody wants that.
But I can get behind Joe.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
You're an established bro, You're not a fan boy. But
is there anybody here that you're kind of excited to meet,
whether it's Joe or Jamar or anybody else on the steam?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Uh, I think, I think, I think I have fun,
you know, chopping up with bj like for the first time.
I mean, I've watched highlights and I've seen him, but
I ain't really get to see him. I ain't really
get to speak to him or like understand like you know,
where his football game comes from or whatever whatnot, so
that it's gonna be interested.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, you guys will hit it off famously, I'm sure. Uh,
you are exactly what this defense needs, a big immovable
object in the middle of the defensive line. We're happier here.
I appreciate your time. Look forward to seeing you play
this year.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Appreciate it. With Slayton in the middle of their defense,
the Packers finished third in the NFL in rushing yards
allowed per attempt and seventh and rushing alloweds per game.
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Up next Charles Davis, who calls NFL games for CBS
and covers the draft for the NFL Network. I caught
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up with him recently at the NFL Scouting Combine, a
few days after Duke toe and called the Bengals a
championship caliber team.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
I agree with Duke that they are championship caliber team.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
I think what we've got to look at, though, is
they didn't make it two years ago, and that was
an easy reason why Joe.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Burrow was hurt last year.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
Not making a little more problematic so I think, based
off of what I'm seeing, what Duke's saying is, we
have pieces, we have players. What he's expecting is players
to play better and new staff, especially on the defensive
side of the ball, that they will be better that way.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
And if so, they're right back in the mixing, back
in the fight.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
I think that he is saying that to make sure
everybody knows this organization doesn't plan to go anywhere, and
behind the scenes, I think he must to make a
few moves.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
He also expressed confidence that they can extend the contracts
of Jamar Chase t Higgins and Trey Hendrickson. It's obviously
a lot of money. Do you buy it? Do you
find yourself skeptical? Where do you stand on that?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
I buy it?
Speaker 5 (16:57):
And the reason I buy it is that quarterback. You know,
when you have him, you gotta figure it out. Okay,
I realize he said the windows always open if I'm here.
That's great confidence, and in most cases he's probably right.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
But he can't do it by himself.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
He's got to have that help and you have to
have your core. And Dan, we've seen wherever the best
teams are, their core kind of stays intact. And you
have to build into pieces around them because of free
agency and how people move, but that core goes with you.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
That's a pretty good core right there. Best pass you know, number.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
One sat guy last year, number one receiver with the
triple crowd quarterback dead in any other year was an MVP.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
You better take care of everyone.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Oh, by the way, T Higgins, Reggie Wayne, and Marvin Harrison.
Harrison was the one, Wayne was the two. Harrison retires,
Wayne became the one seamlessly. This is one of the
few places where you could envision that as well. If
Jamar Chase isn't there, you have a one and is.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
T Higgins and no issue with spending that much money
on one position.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Group is always an issue, but you've got to figure
it out because that's how you score points, that's where
your identity is, that's where your team is. So if
you're going to put the money in there, you may
not be able to put the same money in your defense.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
But your defense has to play to a minimum level.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Last year they didn't for whatever reason. They did not
surprise me as much as problem with anyone else out there.
But if they just play to a minimum level with
that offense, you.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Like your chances.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Have you been at all surprised by how public Joe
Burrow has been, beginning with about a month ago in
the season, for what he would like to see the
Bengals front office do.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
With most people, I'd say yes.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
With Joe Burrow, I say no, because that's to me,
that's the core of who.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Joe Burrow is not going to talk a heck of
a lot. You know that better than anyone. He's not.
You know, like when we do our production meetings with him, he.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Comes in, he shakes hands, he sits down, he looks
at the comp does't he like, time's yours?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
What do you want? And I think that we're very
good with at our crew.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
We believe that we are, and we hope that Joe
would agree with us, ask our questions. Don't linger. We're
not trying to play hail fellow. Well met He doesn't
care about that. He's not rude, but that's not what
his business is. His business winning football games. That's why
I'm not surprised he said something. He knows he's the franchise,
he knows he's the guy, and he knows what he
wants out of his team and his offense, and there's
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a loyalty in that statement as well.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
These guys are produced for me. I want them taking care.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Of Charles Davis is our guest. I've heard from several
NFL draft gurus that if you are looking for defensive linemen,
this is a good year to need them. Do you agree?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I agree totally.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
And you know my colleague Daniel Jeremiah, who is the
best in this business of this draft stuff from our.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
TV side, He's called a meat and potatoes draft, so
I don't see any reason to try and term it
anything else.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
I think that he is right about that. They're defensive
lineman all the way through. Big guys inside edge Rusher's
not quite the same, but still guys who can make
plays like Landon Jackson is this big monster guy from
from Arkansas. Love the way he plays, will battle you,
get the extra effort and all probably not double digitsat
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guy though, even though he's gonna probably play on the edge,
but he'll beat you.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Up all day long. All right, Can you move inside?
Speaker 5 (20:22):
And you know you got Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant
from Michigan. I don't know how anyone move the ball
on that duo. And that's just a couple of guys
that we're starting with. We could go out all day,
but I think he's right.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I don't think i've seen Charles Davis's mock draft one
point oh yet. It's not out there yet. Any thought though,
what position group or where you're likely to have the
Bengals choosing.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Boy, I hadn't even thought about that part of it yet.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
I have to wait and see, Dan, We'll see where
we go.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I'm gonna end up doing three, all right.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
I'll do one probably right after probably about the week
after the combine, be my first one, and then there'll
be a second, probably mid March, and then a third
one right before the draft, and we'll just see where
it all goes.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
But I know this, We're not.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Gonna have to wait to number fifteen pick to get
our first defensive player this year.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
The Philadelphia Eagles are the reigning Super Bowl champions. They've
done a phenomenal job in team building. Howie Roseman gets
all the flowers, and it's well deserved. Is there anything
Philly is doing that Cincinnati can steal or can try
to emulate from a team building standpoint?
Speaker 5 (21:32):
I think they're doing what all teams talk to us
about they're just doing it really well, and that is
you take care of your lines, your offensive and defensive lines, and.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
You work your way from there. But they've hit, you
know they've hit.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
It's not just drafting people and hoping. You're always hoping
when you draft, they've really hit. Like Jalen Carter was
not supposed to be available at the number nine pick.
He was the best player in the draft, and then
he got in trouble right before the draft. So now
he goes into play and when he got to a
certain range, Philadelphia said go and they jumped up and
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got him. And I think they had to go what
two spots to get him because at ten he was
gonna be gone. Guess what they got it done. Jordan
Davis has elevated his play as a first round guy
inside and has increased stamina. You know, you flicking that
offensive line model. One thing I think Hawi Rosemand does
really well is that he drafts ahead of time. For drafting.
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Cam Jurgens came in as their center of the future
for Jason Kelsey. You remember Dan, We thought maybe Jason
was going one more year, but.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
He go another three.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
So they put Cam Jurgens a guard and told that,
so he's gonna get experienced. He moved over seamlessly. This year,
they're still running that quarterback lead and he's the one
snapman and pulling.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
If you didn't see a sixty te right, if you
didn't see his number, you'd swear Kelsey was back out
there doing it again.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
That was how he roseman, seeing future, getting ahead of it,
and already backfilling off of it.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
About Mackay Beckton, Remember the T shirt you wore. I
am a.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Left tackle, and okay, you may think your left tack,
but you're on your last stop here, dude, all right,
because you're gonna compete to be the swing tackle.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
And then one day someone was.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Out and Jeff Stoutlin, the great Offensilza, take some reps
at guard. Oh and then he said, okay, guess what,
You're not competing for the starting guard job with Tyler
Steve wins the job.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
You think you could get Mackai beck Dion to want
to be a tackle again. No, his whole career is transformed.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
They do a great job drafting, they do a great
job developing, coaching, all those things that go along with it.
To me, the lesson is you have to have it all.
You can't just have the draft, you can't just have
the coaching, can't just have the talent.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Philadelphia maximizes it, every bit of it.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
You have had the good fortune misfortune. I don't know
of calling the Bengals season opener in recent years, and
clearly this is something that's got to be fixed. Yeah,
well they got to find a way to fix it.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and
hoping for a different result, So they've got to mix
it up. Any theories, I wish.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
I had one, because I thought we had it last year.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Dan.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Truthfully, I thought the theory was very simple, that Joe
Burrow had been hurt right or coming off of injury
the year before, so his preseason wasn't full on.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Remember what was it happened Deck to me? One year?
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Right, he's coming off in acl one year, all those things.
Last year we didn't have that. He was able to
practice full I thought, boy, they are primed now to
get out of the gate and go.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
No one more surprised. Listen, I know Cincinnati fans were stunned.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
No one was more surprised than us in the announcementoth
watching that New England opener, none of us like, in
no way anyone saw it. I think we go into
every game knowing anything can happen, but we're human. No
one that like, WHOA, what just happened here? So my
theory's out in the window. Now I've got nothing because
(25:05):
I thought the theory was just get Joe healthy and
have a good preseason. That wasn't it either.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Well, we'll see if they play guys in the preseason
what else they might try. I'm sure they're gonna try
something different. We'll see if it produces a better result.
In any case, you're crazy busy here in Indianapolis. I
really appreciate you getting us some of your time. Look
forward to a seeing you next year.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Hey, no busier than you are. Thanks a lot. It's
always great to see you.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Since that conversation, Charles has released his first mock draft.
He has quarterbacks Shador Sanders, cam Ward and Jackson Dart
going one, two three, and has the Bengals selecting Texas
A and m Edge rusher Shamar Stewart seventeenth overall. Stuart
is six' five just under two hundred and seventy pounds
(25:51):
and ran the forty yard dash in four point five nine.
Seconds his vertical, leap again at nearly two hundred and seventy,
pounds was forty. Inches the knock On steward is that
his incredible athleticism didn't lead to great production At TEXAS
a AND. M he had four and a half sacks
(26:11):
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