Big Blue Kickoff Live 10/23 | Gearing Up for a Rivalry Game

John Schmeelk and Jonathan Casillas talk keys to the game against the Philadelphia Eagles, discuss the Giants secondary, and take calls from fans.

0:00 - Eagles preview

12:00 - Jersey and helmet chat

23:30 - Calls

34:00 - Giants run game

46:00 - Dart and the offense

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Hello everybody. We're turning the page the Philadelphia Eagles, mister
Cassius two times in three weeks. The Eagles are coming

(00:48):
off a very very tidy thirty four? Was it thirty
four to twenty seven? Was that the final in that game?
Do you have that handy? By any chance? I can
look that up?

Speaker 2 (00:55):
You get it real quick.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
I think I think it was thirty four to twenty
seven against the Minnesota Vikings last week twenty eight, twenty two.
Wasn't even close.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Twenty two.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
It was a one score game. I guess that was
somewhat close. And it's funny, and this is gonna be
our kind of our our look at the Eagles here,
and we'll take your calls of course at two one nine, three, nine,
four five one three, And I rewatched the game to
look at the Eagles offense in that game. And then
I don't know if you looked at the defense much.
I'll get with you on that too. But despite the
fact they scored twenty eight points and Jalen Hurts at

(01:23):
three hundred yards and a perfect quarterback rating, the offense
still did not do it for me. JC, I gotta
be honest with you. They got a touchdown on a
pick six, they got a touchdown on an ader deep post,
they got a touchdown on a double move, and they
got a touchdown on a broken play. It was three explosives. Yes,
is that dangerous with the likes of aj Browann and
deont DeVante Smith. Absolutely? Is that something you have to

(01:46):
be careful with. Absolutely. They still could have run the football,
and while Hurts was very consistent completing his passes, it
still wasn't like this super efficient get a bunch of
first downs and march the ball down the field type
of passing game. To me, it was really big play
dependent and this Seagle offense, at least to me, J C.
Stoles a lot of stuff to figure out.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, I believe. So it's surprising, Like, just as a
fan of football, and I'm still a fan of Sayquana,
I love the guy, you know, being he was here
and I had a great relationship with him, it's surprising
to see that they really can't get him going, like
at all, you know, and at all. I mean I'm
watching the film and I'm seeing guys kind of missing
blocks and stuff like that. It looks like it's really

(02:27):
not him, you know, like when I say not him,
Like he still looks fast, he still looks explosive, he's
still making guys miss, but he's getting hitting backfield a lot.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
But look, wait, JC, are you telling me that the
success of a running back has a lot to do
with what's going on around them? No way, I mean
I don't believe.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
No.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
No, I was told I was told that it was
all the running back.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
No.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Well, I mean he has something to do with it,
but yes, if he can't get to the line of scrimmage, if.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
You don't have the blocking, it's not gonna matter how
good you are, bro, Yeah, it's not. And the Eagles
offensive line is not the same.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
They're very poorous. It looks like there's some mental error
is going along.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
And they lost their center last week in camp.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Jargons hurt them. This is something that the Giants can exploit.
You know. The strength of the Giants is the defensive
line up front. You know, dex To Lawrence is sitting
right in the middle. He's probably licking his lips, you know,
because we're still waiting for that dominant game from big decks,
you know. And why not this week? Right? This is
a team that the Giants have not done well. Yeah,
they beat them this year, but they haven't won in Philly.

(03:24):
I don't even know the last time I didn't win.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
I do take a guess, what do you think the
last year? Is the Giants one?

Speaker 2 (03:29):
To know what? It just came to me because I
heard it this week twenty thirteen. Is that it? Yeah?
And I was here in tighteen.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Do you know the last time the Giants swept the Eagles? Ooh,
I don't two thousand and seven, Wow?

Speaker 2 (03:42):
The long timeeen years? Yes? Wow, that's a very, very,
very long time. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Well, the Giants have not had a lot of ccess
against the Eagles over the past teen season, so a
lot of should say more than that about eighteen seasons,
so it makes sense. But yeah, it's been in two
thousand and seven since they swept them.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, and but look this this team, you know, the Eagles,
and and they're finding a way to win games. So
you can't take that from them, right, you know, they're
definitely finding a way to win games. This is a
team that's sitting at five and two, and you could
easily say the Giants could have won more games. You
could easily say that Eagles could have lost some more games, right, Yeah, absolutely,
this team is probably the most vulnerable that they've ever
been since this regime has been here.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
For the New York Giants, I would say maybe two
years ago when they fell apart at the end of
the year. Yeah, the Giants did not get them at
the endity the year that year, which is why it
was a little bit different.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, yeap, So this is well, they think I'm the.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Last game of the year when they were not playing
for anything anyway, But I know you're good.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
So this is the opportunity. Like you said, their offense,
you know, if you look at the numbers that they
look pretty good, but they only really scored twenty one
points last week. Carson Wentz made a lot of mistakes,
especially early last week the Vikings quarterback, and that put
them in opportune situations and they the Vikings. I don't
even know if it was like all about the defense
that kept them out of the end zone because they

(04:50):
were with six of one of six in the red zone.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Or the Vikings the red zone defense.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Sun it was really bad and it was like a
lot of self inflicted mistakes. But if you look at
the Giants and what the Giants have on the fourth
quarter last week and then also the Saints game, a
lot of self inflict the mistakes. So this is a
game where the team with the most mistakes will lose
the game. Right, And the Eagles, no matter what you
want to think about them, right, we still hate the
Eagles here, that's a consensus. But they don't really make
a lot of mistakes, right Carson. Jalen Hurts has one

(05:18):
interception that was against the Giants a couple weeks ago.
They don't fumble the ball. They don't turn the ball over, right,
They're smart. They're the best fourth down team that we've
probably ever seen in the NFL, So they have a
lot of things going for them.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
And they're also the best red zone team in the
NFL on both sides, offense and defense.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
And it's a surprise because usually the team that is
a really good red zone team is a team that
can really run the ball efficiently, and they really just
haven't done it, and they trying to do it. They
against the Giants, Saquon had two rushes for thirty one
yards to start the game. Against the Vikings, if I'm
not mistaken, they ran the ball five times to start
the game.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Saquon has one hundred and thirteen rushing attempts this year,
so not like he hasn't gotten that. That's more than
fifteen a game. What is the averaging three point two seven?

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Wow, that's career low for him, because I think the
lowest for the Giants is maybe three point eight, maybe
three point nine something like that. But three point two that's.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Like three point seven and twenty twenty one.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
I was close, Yeah, I was close, But like, man,
that's that's career low. And it's like this is the
Super Bowl defending you know, the defending Super Bowl champions,
excuse me. And if the Eagles and they are a
five or two team, they are a team that is
you know, basically slided right now to be you know,
number two, number three seed. You know, of course it's
way far from the playoffs. But this is the same team.

(06:29):
This is the same team.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
You know what his longest run this year is. Did
you look at that stat?

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Well, he had one of the eighteen yard against the Giants, right,
eighteen eighteen. That's it. Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
He has not had a twenty yard run yet this.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Year and that blows my mind.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
That is amazing. That's crazy that he does not have
more twenty plus yard runs. That is something that I
can't even like fathom that for a guy that that's
explosive does not have a twenty yard run.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
And I think that's that's attributed to basically what he
did last year. You know, he is the number one
threat when you look at this offense, right and even
in the Super Bowl last year, you know, they played
against the Chiefs, the Chiefs and Steve Spagnola, they basically
did their best job to take away sa Kwan. The
difference between I think that game and last year and
this year they won't keep feeding them in the ball.

(07:19):
You know, last year in the Super Bowl they gave
him I think twenty two to twenty three carries. You
only had fifty something yards, so they were able to
kind of keep the box loaded up for the Chiefs defense.
And now it's not the same.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
So no, you don't have to load the box to
slow him down this year, or no problem.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
You don't because they're very poorous. They're mistake laden among
the defensive line and that's really not you know, characteristics
of the Philly offensive line. We haven't seen that. So,
like I said, this is a this is a great time.
So two thousand and seven, like this is the year.
This is the year to go ahead and say, okay,
we can go down to Philly into the Link, into
a rough, tough environment and go ahead and stop these

(07:57):
guys because they're vulnerable, you know, defensively too, they're on
the outside. Even with quin Ya Mitchell being back, they
still were kind of you know, getting exposed a little
bit on the outside, you know. And I do like
these linebackers, but yep, I mean scatable man. He ran
through Zach Bond like he was not a couple of
time good player at all. Last week. It was gonna

(08:18):
be two weeks ago. So look, I love going into
this game. Watching the film on Philly gives me more hope,
you know, because the last few years, man, and even
the playoff run when the Giants in twenty twenty two.
The Eagles slaughtered the Giants that year in every single game.
They had over two hundred rushing yarhunds in every single game.
And it just don't look the same. This is not

(08:40):
the same team. This is not the Eagles team that
I feared for the last three years since I've been working.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
With you, I agree, I'm with you. They still don't
look right. And I think the defense is probably a
little bit better than the offense. In my opinion, I
think they're probably a little bit ahead of where the
offense is at this point if you can. And again
this is easier said than done. And by the way,
guess how many twenty plus yard runs Barkley had last.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Year twenty seventeen. Oh yeah, I mean, because every game
he was breaking one.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Or two seventeen Second league only only Derek Henry had
more than him.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
He had nineteen and that's crazy, Derek.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
He and he's also having not a great game, by
the way, which doesn't help that Lamar has been banged up.
But anyway, I think the Eagle defense is probably a
little bit ahead of the offense. But I'm with you, Jayse.
The last thing you could do against his Eagles team
is turn the ball over. Yeah, and that's a big
reason the Giants be in the first week they were
the first game, they were plus two internal for ratio.
I think we broke that down pretty well. Give me

(09:34):
the player approach to playing a team twice in three weeks.
I really want to kind of lock in on Jackson
Dart because I think the Eagles offense is what it is.
I don't think you're gonna have me. I don't think
there were many changes last week. There was a little
bit more under center play action I think for them
last week, which worked for them. Yes, And I think
you have to look out for that because that's how
you generate some of those big chunk plays down the field.

(09:54):
So that's one thing I think the defense will have
to adjust to a little bit. But what do you
think it means for Jackson Dart that for the first time,
he's getting the same opponent for a second time that's
already seen him, and they saw him just two weeks ago,
so they're gonna be really prepared for what the Giants
are trying to do. That's when the Giants two weeks
ago really start to lead into the twelve personnel stuff

(10:15):
at the two tight ends. So eventually you're gonna run
out of new stuff with two tight ends. I'm sure
they're still rolling out some new stuff that people haven't
seen yet, but eventually there's only so many plays. You're
gonna run out of new stuff with the twelve personnel
the surprise team. So what does that look like now?
With the Giants offense seeing the d well coached defense
with Vic Dangiel for the second time in three weeks,
and them seeing Jackson Dart for the second time in

(10:36):
three weeks.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
It's not gonna be the same. And when I say
that this this Eagles defense is better because they have
two of their guys healthy Jalen car and maybe I
don't even see Kwannon leave the game the first time
they played, but Carter he was out from the beginning,
and he is a difference man.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Mitchell left the game in the first quarter, and then
you had and look, their biggest weakness is their second
quarterback spot, and they had then they had to have
Dori Jackson and Key Levering go out there. So the
Giants can pretty much attack wherever they wanted.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
That get Yeah, And that's what I'm saying. This is
going to be a better defense. This is not going
to be the defense that Look Quen, y'all Mitchell is
he's phenomenal. I think he's a really really good corner.
He can cover well. I think he's a good tackler
as well. And Jalen Carter he can wreck a game.
He's the Dexter Lawrence for the Fidelfie Eagles. You know so.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
And by the way, he's had a slow start to
his year too, is not He has not looked the
same this year.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Had a good hit last week when Carson wentz great move.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Well, I think they made sure that they sat him
out against the Giants. That we had Dave spudar On
heading into that game and he told us that, Look,
he's been kind of battling in ne all year and
he's been playing through it. I think they kind of
want to give him a week to try to get
a little healthier.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, I mean that that makes sense and why he's
not as dominant as as he's seen. And hopefully he's
just not you know, Superman and Wolverine and just be
super healthy and just dominate because he is a fantastic player.
He's really good and the Giants have to account for him.
But look, Jackson dart Man, and we do associate rookies
with making mistakes. We associate young players with making mistakes.

(12:03):
Jackson Dark this is a game where he can't really
make mistakes, you know. If the phil Fi Eagles man,
they just capitalize on the mistakes, and that's who they've been.
You know. However, you want to look at them last
year the run oriented team. This year the team that
just can do whatever they want to do and need
to do in any game. But what they consistently do
they take care of the football.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
They've won all their games on the margins, right, They've
won it because they're better in the red zone, because
they're not turning it over. They're physically dominant, so with
some of their players, but they haven't dominated teams on
the field with their play. So you're right, jc they've
won on the margins. If you get into the red zone,
you got to score touchdowns. Right, If they get into
the red zone, you got to home the field goals,
don't turn the ball over those and the Giants did

(12:43):
that in their first meeting, right, they won the turnover ratio.
They did better in the red zone than Philadelphia did.
So those are the things that you have to do
if you want to beat the Philadelphia Eagles, and you
know they're going to be fired up here. They're Look,
you tell me, if you're a player and you're in
the Eagles locker room this week, you're probably prere pissed
right about Giants died two weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
And look one hundred percent. So this is the thing
about the Eagles and the Giants in the NFC East
in general. I feel like, you know, when when you're
in New Jersey, New York and Philly is so close,
like it's literally the first city in Pennsylvania when you
get you know, like when you leave Jersey, it's the
first one, right, you're not you don't have to drive
in Pennsylvania for you know, ten miles twenty min No,

(13:23):
it's literally right on the border, right, So there's a
lot of fans, Giants fans in Philly. There's a lot
of Philaelphia fans in Jersey and New York, that's right.
So you got to hear it from people all the time,
you know, Like I got so many friends who I like,
I don't I blocked them during Phillyelpi Eagles week? Do
you really blocked them? Do it? Like I block? I said, bro,

(13:44):
don't come on my Instagram talking crazy. I'm gonna block you, right.
But it's so many of those guys, So they've been
hearing it from friends, family members, right. My my sister
is a Cowboys fan, my my dad's been a Giants
fan all his life. So it's like that's families all
over this place. And it's the NFC East. It's like
they don't like no other teams, right, they like the

(14:05):
Saints because I played for the Saints. But like that's
what it is, the NFC East. They're just they're everywhere, man,
and their fans are everywhere. So you're hearing that, so
you better believe that they're getting you know, an earfull
this week and they're getting taunted by their family memories.
We're gonna go down there and beat you guys like
cam Scotta, who's gonna be doing backflips like they're hearing
all that. So they definitely got some pent up frustration

(14:27):
and anger and they got they want some get back
for sure.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
And they whipping out the Kelly Green jerseys this week too.
They're going old school.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, yeah, I like it. I love the the alternate
jerseys that look sweet. I think those look sweet. I
think giants had two alternate jerseys. They're all white and
the uh what's it called legacy blue? The legacy blue
sweet jerseys.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Great.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
I love when Giants are just traditional.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
When the Titans wear the old Houston oiler jerseys, sweet,
those are nice. When the Falcons were their nineties.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
The black ones, the black all black joints. Yeah, thats
just that those remind me of the Dirty Bird, right,
remember the Dirty Bird?

Speaker 3 (15:03):
When they see those remind me of Dion returning punts
for touchdowns for the Falcons in the early nineties. That
that's what it hits for me.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
And the Giants are traditional white tradition, white on the road,
or they're doing the color rush.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
I'm assuming they're doing the traditional.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
White Okay, I mean that's fine, that's fine. They're sweet too.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Usually the Giants where they're those are at home. If
I'm not mistaken, right here, the color rush white, all right,
I did not call color rush white one. They're called
tradition white something like that. They complained the name from.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Did they switch it up? Because I remember playing in
Philly with those white jerseys. If I'm not mistaken, Oh really, yeah, seventeen.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Up the Giants jersey schedule.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
I don't have this stuff stuff memorize, all right, So
let's say Giants uniform schedule, and I can tell you exactly.
Vintage white is what it's called.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Something like that, because nobody uses color rush anymore. They
don't say that as.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
A term anymore. No, that is not a thing anymore.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
When did I stop?

Speaker 3 (15:53):
I don't know, white white jersey, white pants. And then uh,
for the Niners. Next week we got the legacy blues.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah, and they break out the old helmets with the
white face masks.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
They're so nice.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
So I have family over on Sunday watching the game.
My dad was over, everybody was.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Over, and the vintage white is by the way at
Chicago and home versus Green Bay. So the vintage white gings.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
So they're looking at the helmets that I have, right,
And I got a Giants helmet of course, Patriot's helmet right,
And they're looking and I'm like, he's like, are you
the actual It was a friend of mine. He was like,
is he the actually helmet? You were like, yeah, like
these are actually helmet. I said, I'm so mad I didn't
get the old school giants helmet.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Well, here's Washington you should go down there. I'm sure
Chris Pridy and his group Legacy Blues coming up in
two weeks. Theyre prior aready getting the helmets ready. I'm
sure if you wrote the organization to check, it'd be
happy to give you.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
I would definitely check for that.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
I think just ask him.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
They might hook me up. They these my guys.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Here there my guy absolutely, but they're nice.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
So they're sweet. The only the only thing is which
is which sucks. They're not gonna have any scratches on them.
I don't want a brand new helmet. I want to
banged up helmet.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
I put it on and like run into something to
get home.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
But that's the cool part of having like your own
helmet at the house because it's like, like I got
a little green paint on it from Green Bay, you
know what I mean, Like that's awesome. You know the
jerseys that I like, DRC put me on. This Dominy
Roger Commarty, I've seen him taking his jerseys home and
I'm like, you take your jerseys. He was like yeah,
He's like, I don't know how much more football I
got left. Give me my jersey, Just give me my jerk.

(17:23):
I didn't even think about that, Like, I never thought
about it. I never thought about my own jerseys, you know,
and the having basically a collection of my own jerseys,
which I do now, and it was because of d RC.
And then you look through the.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Jerseys, give any from your prior stops or no I do.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
But I got like eight from the Giants, you know,
like but they were the first of all the equipment
guys here, they're awesome. They were awesome back then. Slave's
still here. They're still awesome. And and look they already knew.
There's like Jason, you're taking your jersey, Like, yeah, they
charge you for it, but there's these are priceless items,
that's memories. These are priceless items, you know, and I've
given them out to like very very special people like

(17:59):
of course, my daughter got one, my mom got one,
my dad got one, my best friend got one, like,
you know, because not yet, maybe maybe soon, because a
lot of people say, hey, man, I want your jersey.
It's like, bro, just going to NFL shop dot com customized,
I'll sign it for you. Like, but there's there's only
special people that get those jerseys, you know what I'm saying.
And and and for me, when I go back and

(18:22):
I go through my closet, I got, like, you know,
I got teammates that I've played with, teammates that I
played against, college guys that played on other teams, And
I'm going through them and I'm just looking at my
stuff and I could remember the game because of the
colors that are on it, you know what I mean.
Like there's green, there's there's there's yellow, you know, like purple.
You know. So that's cool. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
So did you miss the whole jersey exchange crave or
did you do a couple of jersey exchanges after games?

Speaker 2 (18:46):
I did a couple. The one that comes to mind
was DeAndre Levy because he played at Wisconsin with me. Okay,
we came in the same year, we came out the
same year. He played for Detroit. I played for four teams.
I think he played for the Troy's whole career for
not Mistaken No Wi and and you know, we had
very similar careers in college and then in the NFL.

(19:08):
Man he was a tremendous linebacker for the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 6 (19:10):
Man.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
I think one year he led the league in interceptions
the first ten games of the year. But that was
for me because you know, he's a brother, you know
when you you you know, we was roommates when we
were freshmen. So this is like a guy that I
consider a brother of mine. And you know, being able
to play against them in the NFL and exchange jerseys

(19:31):
like that was awesome for me. That's like my one
of my better memories of the NFL, to be.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
A fly on the wall of that dorm room.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
You know what's so crazy, though, Pierson, I'm you guys
know me, I'm very talkative, right, I'm very outgoing. He
was not really, so within like a week, I said,
this is not happening. Bro, you're gonna talk to me.
You're not gonna I say what's up? Was how your
day was? And it was cool? No, no, no, give
me your day like, you gotta talk to me because
you know, the dorms is no bigger than this. He is, no, uh,

(20:03):
DeAndre Levy is from He's from Wisconsin. No, he's from Wisconsin.
I'm trying to figure out he's a local Milwaukee.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
One of these quiet and midwestern like yeah, but like.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
He was literally the quietest dude ever. But on the
field he was a maniac. He was a maniac, like
talking more smack than anybody. Like, he was a maniac.
But I love playing with him. And you know we
were literally Yin and yang, but we were two different guys,
but on the field we were the same person. Like
we were like just crazy guys running around hitting stuff.

(20:35):
You know. That's why, like we really got along because
on the field and the work we put in and
the study habits we had, and and and the challenges
we would do against each other, like we will always
lift together, work out together, and you know that competition, man,
I love that. You know, all of my best friends
since I played football were guys I was competing with.
Right when I was here at the Giants. My first

(20:56):
my best friend was J. T. Thomas. We played the
same exact position, you know, and we competed for a
playing time. We hung out together, We went to Thanksgiving
at each other houses like you know. So I love
that dynamic of the NFL. I love that dynamic of sports,
the competitive nature with friends that you consider brothers forever.
You know.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Were you here with Kelvin Sheppard when he was here. Yeah,
he's doing a great job too, fantastic. I'm very happy
for He's such a good.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Dude, such a good dude, smart guy, cerebral guy. And
one of the things for him when he got here,
and something that I felt like we needed when he
got here, he was a guy that brought everybody together,
you know, like he's like, jac what you're doing later?
I'm just going home. Will everybody going to JPP house?
All right?

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Cool?

Speaker 2 (21:38):
JPP living Seakaw because he lived right down the street.
So we got like ten guys over there hanging out
and it was very consistent. Weren't doing that real consistently.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Don't tell me what happened over that one on No, No.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
But that was twenty sixteen when we were the number
two ring defense in the NFL. The reason why I
say that is because I've been a part of sports
a very long time. My daughter's doing sports now too,
and it's it's a common theme. The people that hang
out away from the building, the people that hang out
away from the sport, those are the teams that win
because you you form a bond with these guys and

(22:08):
you you like, you know, I don't want to compare
war battle, but that's our form of war and battle
when we go to games and like, I want to
make sure this guy got my back end. What better
way to know your guy got your back when you
hanging with them away from the war, away from the battlefield.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
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(22:44):
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I'm assuming you're gonna be at that thing.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yes, I figured that.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yep, sole t Bober so check it out. You can
hang out with Tik and JC. Are you actually running
the five K?

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Nope?

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Was there any consideration they're running the five?

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Would be if if I would do it, like if
I was there and somebody's like, come on, JC, run,
I would run walk it like I would run walk it,
you know, like I'm not. I haven't really ran in
a long time. I sprint, I'll sprint my heels by
my house, but I've never been a runner, you know,
and I've done running. But after I told my Achilles
two three years ago, the only running I've done is

(23:20):
like we have doing doing a sport, you know, like
doing basketball or doing football drills. Is that how you
and running and running the hill doing flag football?

Speaker 3 (23:31):
So maybe don't go back to that stuff?

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Well I can't, man, I love it. I'm very competitive.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
Man.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
I guess all right, let's go to uh Phill in
North Carolina. Phil, what's going on?

Speaker 7 (23:42):
Hey guys, thanks for taking my call?

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (23:45):
Hey, so heay, and so let me there with me
for a second. I'm gonna just vent about game management.
And then uh, I got a couple other quick timents
after that. So I'm gonna put the game management plus
kicker management in the same bucket. And how many how

(24:06):
many games have we lost because of kicker mismanagement in
the last three years?

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Well, I would say kicking issues has been at least three,
at least three.

Speaker 7 (24:16):
Yeah, I would even bring it up a little bit
more than that four. But but yeah, so we've had
we've we've let three game, let's go with three, We've
led three games, one each year. Because you can't even
say that to me. The Washington game was a kicking
issue this year, right, we didn't have a we didn't
have a kicker.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
I mean Washington they lost twenty seven. I don't think
that first game, yeah, I mean no, no, no, there wasn't.
That wasn't the thing issue against Washington. You know, got
hurt in Game three against the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Correct, I'm not sure.

Speaker 7 (24:49):
No, no, I think it was the first game.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
No, no, no, no, no, no no. It was the
first game of the year. You know, made three fifty
yard field goals. That's the Giant scored nine points.

Speaker 7 (24:57):
All right, Maybe I'm mixing the chief game then, am
I wrong?

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Okay, I'll check it.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Anyway.

Speaker 7 (25:02):
But yeah, so so I mean, when are we gonna
when are we gonna kind of reassess how we're doing
things with that because it seems like we rely on
Gano and then Gano has been getting hurt and he's older,
and then there's a whole bunch of dominoes that affect

(25:22):
things after that. Uh. I just think we have to
reassess what we're doing here and and we're not you know,
go go get a go draft in the seventh round
a healthy, you know, healthy kicker, young healthy kicker.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Well, I mean, like I feel, I don't think drafting
a kicker is necessarily the answer, just because I've seen
kickers drafted in the third round get like cut they
get drafted, So however, you to do it. But look,
you have to make sure you have a healthy kicker
that can make do the basic things you need a
kicker to do. When has been healthy, he's been able
to do that. There's been too many times where he
has not been healthy when they've needed them. Over the

(25:59):
past couple of years, they have Young Way coup on
the practice squad if they need him this week as
a as a kind of a you know, breaking case
of emergency if they, you know, want to make sure
if Graham's active, his practice wing will get opened this week.
You want to have him there in case something does
happen again. You can go that direction if you want.
The Giants have been They basically had no comments on that.
They said, we'll figure that out at the end of
the week. So look, you do to make sure you

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have a kicker that you can trust to do basic
things like kick extra points, and we'll see what that
looks like this week.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
I'll tell you what though, I do like the accountability,
even though they released him. I do like that Jude
took it.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Oh, he did after the game.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
After the game, Dave Boff, I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 7 (26:36):
He was.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
He was talking about the operation of the first kick
that that he missed, and Jude said, like, no, I'm
a professional kicker. I gotta make kids.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
And he's right, the ball is down for it.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
So I always have a lot of respect for guys
like that. You know, like, it's listen, you got a
job to do right, just like I did when I play,
just like you do, John right, just like Pearson does.
If you don't do your job well, you're not going
to have a job for long, you know, So that's jude.
You know, maybe you'll get signed somewhere else. But listen,
people give kicker. They give kickers so much like you
got one job to do it, and it is true,

(27:05):
but it's pressure, man. And and if you've ever kicked
the ball before, if you miss it by just a
little bit a millimeter to the right or left, you're
not going to make the kick, you know, like it's
it's I'm terrible at kicking, you know, like it's not
for me. It's like the margin of error is so small,
you know, and some kickers can do it. It's like golf.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
I'm about to sea, just like golf.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
It's like it's like golf. So you know, the giants
are trying to figure it out. Graham Gano career, he's
always been a good kicker until he started getting hurt basically,
you know, the last few years. And then it's like
maybe if he's if he's healthy, maybe he can you know,
if he's healthy, he's a fantastic kicker. But the question
is is Graham Gono healthy? And sometimes because of the

(27:49):
injuries that he had, sometimes you think you're healthy when
you start the game and you're really not playing linebacker.
It might affect me, but it definitely affects kickers, and
I think that's that's what affect the grand I'm gonna
know several times. So three of those games, I think
two of them you could a credit to that.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Phil statement number two.

Speaker 7 (28:06):
Yeah. So so relating to the game management, the two
pointer that we went for after you missed the first one,
you know, I was I thought Parcels always said don't
chase points right that early in the game. Our two
point conversion has been horrible. We've led up a lot
of two pointers, but our two point conversion was horrible.

(28:29):
Did you agree with that, you know that decision at
that time, because I didn't.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
So he's arguing that the kicker situation is, you know, questionable.
But now you're asking why did you go for two?
Like he's you're you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (28:45):
Because of our percentage?

Speaker 6 (28:46):
Yeah, no, I've got you.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
You kind of contradicted yourself there, brother.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Yeah, So Phil, what I would say, you never know
what the scores that look like. So I'm I'm of
the mind and the mathematics people would tell me I'm
wrong about this, and then I should that I'm incorrect.
I I don't like to go for two early in
the game to try to even out the score because
I think you never know what it's gonna look like
in the fourth quarter when you get there. But the

(29:12):
math guys will tell you that in that those situations,
even early in the game, you should go for two.

Speaker 7 (29:19):
I mean, I'm agree with you. I don't go for
too early in the game. And okay, so last thing,
I just want to say, you were talking about Sequon
and I would argue that is a small sampling that
started before our team is more useful because it's much
better at your idea the contact than is well. I

(29:42):
don't have the stats on that, but it's just my eyeballs.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yeah, I mean, I would say, yeah, glad, I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 (29:48):
Yeah, so I'll take that. You know, I listening to
you guys off the air. But that's my point with
Sakun is that he didn't you know, you got to
give him that first cut of four yards that he
can do stuff.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Thank you, Phil. I would beginning I got you, I
would say that Scataboo is a more consistent get, like
one or two more yards than what's blocked for you
is he's just gonna put his you know, gravity and
just fall forward for a couple of yards. But he
doesn't have the big playability that Saquan has. So I

(30:22):
think that to me is the difference with you know,
between the two guys, which one's more useful for the Giants.
You can make the argument as to which style of
running back you would rather have, But I mean, I
don't think anyone would argue that Scataboo, as good as
he is, a better running back than Saquon. But he's
been great this year and he gets those tough, dirty
yards consistently.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yep, yep, he's he's He's I think he's fantastic. I
think Scataboo is fantastic. Uh, not just his playing style,
but his attitude and his approach and his energy that
he brings uh to this team, you know, and him
and Jackson Dartman, they're two p's in the pod. But
look Sakwan Man, he had one of the greatest, if
not v greatest season we've ever seen from a running
back last year, if you want to include the playoffs,

(31:03):
so you know, you can't take that from him, you know,
and he led that team to a Super Bowl but
you know, did I say this? Last week? Somebody asked
me about the comparison who would be hard to tackle
between Scataboo and Barkley. Did I talk about that?

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:16):
I was not here those a Paul Tatino. I think
I was talking to Paul. So somebody asked me during
the game. They were like, who's a harder tackle? I said,
sa Quan is a more difficult tackle because he could
do so many different things. You know, he can run
you over, he can stiff arm you can jump over
you backwards right, he can run away from he can
hit you with a duke Scataboo though, that's gonna hurt,

(31:38):
Like that's one hundred percent of pain tackle, you know,
like it might be a concussion tackle, a dean tackle,
like he's gonna bring it no matter what. He doesn't
have the arsenal of moves that sa Quan has, but
each of them presents their own threats, and both of
them I think are tremendous backs. Scatabool right now is
having a phenomenal year, and he's a guy that doesn't

(31:59):
go backwards. That's Mark Shawn Lynch, like you know Marcha
and this is different running styles. I'm just talking about
the results. I haven't seen Scatterboo go backwards that he
doesn't awesome like that is phenomenal. That is his major strength,
I think. And we talk about running styles, the running
style of going forward every time. I take that running
style over anything any day to week.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
So were you slightly conflicted when you rewatched the tape
of the game last week? And I'm sure you you
watched the Jack start interception play m and it broke
your heart to see you know.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Oh no, no, no, I wasn't conflicted. I wasn't conflicted.
I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
What did part of you say, like linebacker, good job,
give it to the running No.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
I said you win something you lose because Chase Daniels
posted it. And I literally said that because when I
saw it half and I said, ooh, scattible gotta blowed
up right. And then and then Chase posted to Chase
Daniel my former team, and he posted, I said, you
win somebody, you lose them. And I was like the
number one like comment because it's the truth, you know,
like if you bringing it every play, somebody's gonna catch

(32:59):
you eventually, you know, right, That's what Marshawn said, you
know you're gonna get God, but I try to get
more people than I get God. You know, Like that's
the truth in the NFL, Like you know, I got clean.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Are linebacker is going to start taking that type of
stuff personally with him though, where he's such a physical
player or a linebacker is gonna be like, no, screw that,
I'm gonna this time. It's it's my turn.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
He It depends what type of linebacker you are.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
You know.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
There are guys that are thumpers that are not trying
to hit you at moves, and there are guys that
mix it up there, and there are guys that won't
take you on, you know what I mean, Like they're
not gonna take you on. They're gonna get a little
shimmy and move around, just like the style of running backs,
you know what I mean. Like they all got their
own styles of how they play. I was a guy
that was being tried to be physical early because people
were under as me because I'm not a big guy.

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And then I would use my speed after that.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
All right, let's get back to the calls as we
turn the page to Philadelphia and let's go to Ali
in Dallas, Ali, what's going on?

Speaker 6 (33:55):
Hey, what's going on?

Speaker 7 (33:56):
John j?

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Here? Thanks? Man? What do you go?

Speaker 4 (34:00):
You know, with the Giants handling the Eagles two weeks
ago thirty four to seventeen, I think there's a lot
of opportunities for the offense to really show out. I'm
just comparing the trends of what's been going on lately
for Jackson Dark. I think that this is a great
opportunity for him to correct some things that he may

(34:22):
have been inefficient on in the past couple of weeks
and be able to progress on some of his positives
as well. Also a potential great showing for the wide
receiver corps as well. I think Wandelle Robinson showed out
when he played against the Eagles. Saw the Giants just
signed the wide receiver as well, looking like a good

(34:43):
opportunity to throw the ball to Hyatt.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah, I would say this, Ali. I think it's interesting
because one Vic Fangio is an excellent defensive coordinator, Okay,
especially with what he does in the secondary Cooper dejen
who even he got banged up in that game they
Giants attacked him, they still couldn't complete pass late in
that game. After the team kind of hurts. He's really
good player, so he's gonna be in the slot. I
don't know how much Wandel was gonna be in the
slot because they play so many two tight ends now,

(35:07):
so he's played outside a lot more, But that could
be an issue. If Mitchell's back, and if Slay's back,
you'll get the Mitchell Slayton matchup. So I think you're
looking at whoever that other outside wide receiver is gonna be,
whether it's little Jeoran Humphrey to your point, Ali, whether
it's Jalen Hyatt or somebody else, that's the guy to
me that the Giants are going to target. We saw
in that game two weeks ago before Mitchell went out,

(35:29):
they weren't throwing it at quitting on Mitchell. They were
looking for number seven Keelee Ringo and number eight sorry
as well, and the doors number eight correct, and they
just attacked whomever was in the game that was not
Cooper Dejene or Quitteon Mitchell relentlessly. So whomever they have

(35:49):
against those two corners, that's who the Giants are gonna
throw the ball to. To be totally honest, Ali, I
think that's to make it simple that's what the game
plan is gonna be.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yeah, and Jackson Dart. Look, he's showing a lot of promise,
but he's still like green when it comes to football
in NFL football.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
And you still see that, by the way, when you
watch the tape.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, and he's gonna he's going to get better. Like
this is a guy that you know when it all
breaks down, he's just playing with natural ability and the
things that he's been doing for sixteen years. I've long
been playing football for.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
I don't want to downplay jac but would you would
I be wrong to call it. A lot of his
successes come playing streetball.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Oh no, for sure, one hundred percent. But he does
it at a very high level. He's very consistent. His
awareness is the capability of the pocket. He's the whole
field when he and the decision making to throw and run.
You know, like when he's scrambling, he can run it,
but he's looking to pass. But sometimes he just make
a decision to to run.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
That throw to Robinson stepping up in the pocket on
the fourth and nineteen, that was an unbelievable throat.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Unbelievable, I mean, but he made several plays like that
this year. Already, you know, the ability to navigate the pocket.
I mean, Denver they are the best pass run team
in the league by far, it's not even close.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
And they got their four sacks, but that was not.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Before you know, and Dart was able to kind of escape,
and of course Andrew Thomas being healthy. I was there
kind of getting away from the point there, guys, But.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
No, no, you're all good. I definitely appreciate the analysis,
and it's pretty much on part for what I'm doing
as well.

Speaker 6 (37:25):
I like it. It's Moxie and.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
His intuitiveness in the way he's able to pretty much
be a point guard as the quarterback and just be
able to make decisions on the fly. I like to
be able to see his vision and stuff. I'm really
into what Scattablue and Tracy are offering as well. To me,
it's looking like I guess the format for the rest
of the season will be like a one to two
punch kind of similar to like a mod Bradshaw Brandon

(37:47):
Jacobs asque. It's kind of not the same players, but
kind of similar style in the way they kind of prostings.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, look, look, I think it's going to be a
lot of Skyta boo when I think Tracy is going
to be the change of pace, and I think that's
what you're gonna look at here, JC.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah, there are two different running backs. They add two
different things, you know, but both of them are good receivers,
which is which I like about having both of those
guys on the team.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
And this could be a big checkdown game against Fangio
with all his two high safety stuff. This could be
a big checkdown game.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yep. So they look and Eagles do have some tackling issues,
you know. They they let some some tackling, especially on
the on the outsides. You know, they let some big
plays happen because of mistackles. So they you know, the Giants, look,
the Eagles are right for picking right now.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
When's the last time, jac Through seven games, the Eagles
had the fifth fewest sacks in the National Football League.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
I mean, you don't see that, you don't, no, not
at all. But but they're getting guys back.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Do you think Brandon Graham's playing this week?

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Is he signed him?

Speaker 3 (38:43):
He's back?

Speaker 6 (38:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (38:44):
They signed him, Yeah, he's back.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
I've been hearing. I've been hearing, but I thought they
were just like saying, like, oh, they're gonna call Brandon Groam.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
The line of the century. And I this quote was
read out loud, so maybe I hadn't checked if it
was real, but apparently they asked Brandon Granab but he goes, yeah,
it's like being back of the member country club. You
get your card to check it in and you get
a free lunch. I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Well, I mean, yeah, but he's he's been chilling, bro Like,
I know he's been chilling because he's he retired, right.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
He's doing media stuff like NFL that was he retired.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Look, I don't expect Brandon Grant to be the same
Brandon Gham we've seen him a couple of years ago
or ten years ago. Definitely not. But he does added
leadership presence in that locker room. He does have an
energy about him that's contagious, like a scatter with like
a dart. So you know he might be able to
raise him up just by being out there and lined
up and suit He didn't even gotta be suited up.
He's be on a sideline yelling like Sterling Shepard used

(39:36):
to do for us. Yeah, I'm about when Sterling was
hurt and he was on the sideline I've never seen
someone so much engaged really, so remember Sterling, it was
just always all over the place. He didn't like that,
but like that that keeps you fired up because like
guys respect God. You know, Chep very well respected, same

(39:59):
as him. So when you got a guy like that
in your face like yeah bro, like you're like yeah, man,
like it gets you fired him and get high too.
So he can kind of raise the energy just by
being out there.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
He's a fiery type of guy, you know, so hopefully
he doesn't play, or hopefully he does play, and he
looks like he's retired, you know, if he's out.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
There, So what else is that? It?

Speaker 2 (40:18):
You good?

Speaker 4 (40:20):
Just one more thing, and he's definitely on part with that.
I think Jameis Winston he may be that locker room
guy for them now. But pretty much in terms of
my final point, not really gonna get into the secondary.
I think somebody else may ask that, but just kind
of when looking at the offense, I know that the
giant in open field, they like how to perform. I
think they're pretty efficient and they create opportunities out of

(40:42):
nothing sometimes, but you know, kind of getting into that
red zone efficiency and I see that they're ranked in
the bottom third of redszone touchdown rate, and especially them
playing in Philly, I'm thinking, like, wow, Okay, being able
to close the deal and pretty much get through the
end zone would be pretty nice to watch as a
fan perspective, even with some attempts with honestly.

Speaker 7 (41:05):
Going for a kick.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
I'm not sure if young Way who's gonna be playing,
but I know lately the jumps have been going for
in the fourth, which I'm a fan of in some instances,
but just how idea, you know, I haven't seen them
run to the left either on the weak side, just
the little things. I'm just wondering what would be their
red zone approach going forward, knowing that the Eagles are
more boasted up and more compact, you know, Jalen Carter

(41:30):
being back and some of the more secondary pieces really
beefing up what they have going forward.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Thanks, Aley, And look, I think if you look at
the overall season numbers for the Giants in the red zone,
they're not good. But since Darton Scattaboo have become centerpieces
of offense, the red zone has gotten much better.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yeah, and he asks about the approach and the thing
about the red zone is you know, the field is
a lot wider than it is longer, you know, so
I think the RPO game, you know, having the ability
to run the ball, pass the ball, and run the
ball in several different ways. I think that, you know,
provides an advantage to the Giants, and we have seen
that happen. And Dark's decisions, his decision making and the

(42:12):
ability to use his legs when a when a play
breaks down, and his ability to do it right now,
I think is an advantage for the Giants. Man the kid,
you know, he I think he made a poor decision
last week, but he makes mistakes. But I think he's
a pretty good decision maker, you know. I think he
makes really good decisions. And I think he's decisive, meaning

(42:33):
he makes quick, quick decisions, so it's not always about
making the right decision, about making it quick. And I
think down in the red zone, I think that's why
you're seeing the Giants progress in the red zone, because
the last few years, the Giants have been very bad
in the red zone and now they're doing a lot better.
I think because of his decision making.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
When he get that ball in his hands, Brian Dable,
that is drive by today with the media. There's no
cameras on that. He just talks to the media. So
apparently snow Brian Burns a practice today again, only it's
the hip, not something lower body. But well, he had
a boot on leaving the game on Sunday. Yeah, he

(43:10):
can't put a boot on a hip.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Bro, he's a robot.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
He's gonna put no no.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
I was about to say, and he's supposed to do
with some knocker room yesterday and he said he was
going to play the game, So I'm not that worried
about him. But no debo on No holland both with nies.
So those would be the two guys that I would
keep an eye on over the next couple of days
to see if they're and this is by A Dan Duggan,
if those two guys are going to go on Sunday,
which if they don't, and I don't know if A. J.
Brown he didn't practice yesterday, I don't think there's a
huge concern that he's not going to play in this game.

(43:37):
You're missing those two guys with that receiving core, including
Dallas Goddard.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
And yeah, and that definitely makes me a little nervous.
You know, and it's not always about the ability. It's
more about the mental things, right, which is because last
week when you look at the Vikings film, Devontey Swiff
is wide open a couple of times, like wide open
the mine field. That's not that's not skill, that's mental stuff, right,
that's a mental error, I missed assignment something like that.
And younger guys, that's just what they're prone to do.

(44:03):
They're prone to make mistakes. And this team will capitalize
it against you if you make mistakes. Right, they have
two of the best receivers in the league. I don't
care what anybody says about A. J. Brown and all
of the stuff that he's saying. When he's going, he's going.
And Davonte is a guy.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Do you think he enjoys like the attention he gets
for dopey cryptic social media things.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yeah, he's got to do it has to be.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
It has to be on purpose by now, right, He's
a troll for sure, you think so.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
I think so too. I think he enjoys seeing people
overreact to it, like that's you're sitting there next to
Jalen Hurst, like.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Look lookikok, yeah, you see I'm with you now, well, listen,
there's there's a dynamic right from the number one receiver
and a quarterback. There's always an interesting relationship and when
sometimes it's not even the best relationship, but when they're
on the field, they're just you know what I mean,
they have a chemistry when they're on the field and

(44:56):
no matter what happens off the field, I just feel
like at the end of the day, with AJ Brown,
all the answers to stuff like that, he's a phenomenal
football player. You know, he's he can do he can
do everything. He can run good routes, he's he's a
very physical guy. And Jalen hurts man, when it comes
down to it, he is looking for him. He is
looking for A J. Brown when it gets tough, when
he gets down. So I don't care what we hear

(45:17):
about their relationship. When you trust the guy you're allowing
the guy that's the guy you throw to one third down,
and that's the guy that he's throwing two on third down,
A J.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Brown, no question about it. Yeah. By the way, if
you want to do a little college scouting, you can
get in there and look at Chris Brown. Is not
Chris Brown. Chris Jones from Louisville. He has some he
has some very aj Brown like traits. Okay, so I
would keep an eye him if you want to watch

(45:46):
a little college tape. He had a big game last week,
a really really good player. Let's go to Tim and Charleston.
He's up next to him. What's going on, Hey, john A,
how you doing?

Speaker 2 (45:54):
What's going on?

Speaker 5 (45:56):
I get?

Speaker 6 (45:57):
I got three things, just one quick thing on the
last game. And aside from all the errors and and
you know, the fatigue and all the stuff that went
on the fourth quarter, Chris, this is this is wrong.
I want to boil that game down to this. We
got thirty two points on five touchdowns. The Saints got
thirty points on four touchdowns. We have the touchdown, only

(46:19):
two more points. And that's the game in a nutshell
right there, for everything else excluded.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
That's the point.

Speaker 6 (46:25):
That being said. I want to have some optimism. Uh,
even though we're two and five and Jackson darts four starts.
We've got fourteen touchdowns in four starts, and only one
of them came off, you know, after a turnover and
put us in positive, real positive field position.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Tim the Giants in darts four starts they're averaging twenty
five point six points per game. It's the best run
they've had since the end of the twenty twenty two
season in terms of points per game.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
That's ten last year.

Speaker 6 (46:56):
And last game. Go ahead to make it even in
this last game, every touchdown drive is over fifty yards.
There no short fields.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (47:06):
Now, last year we scored thirty touchdowns in the entire season,
and I think only twenty eight of them were on
the offense. So in four games, our offense has scored
hack as many touchdowns as we scored in seventeen games
last year.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
The kids a playmaker.

Speaker 6 (47:21):
Fans don't see that as a reason for optimism. You know,
the record is tough to deal with. But if we
don't see that as a reason for optimism, then you
know so, and that leads me into obviously, the concern
now is the defense.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
And again, Tim Boda way really quick. I just want
to point out too, the fact that Andrew Thomas has
been healthy for the stretch has been invaluable because if
he's not out there, I'm telling you this looks a
lot different.

Speaker 6 (47:46):
Of course, of course, but you know, my concern is
obviously the defense, especially in the secondary. Having those guys out,
particularly the corner. I think Felton is you know, not perfect,
but in adequate placement. I mean, Trey Banks has got
to got to step it up, and we need to

(48:06):
see more there, and I think we're going to. I mean,
our red zone performance has has been great the last
two weeks. So we scored five touchdowns. Was the last
time we scored five touchdowns in two consecutive games. That's
one you'd have to look up. You probably go back
a long ways. Yeah, but you know, uh, we're gonna
need our kickers, so I hope you always back and healthy.
And uh oh, well, one other thing, if you were

(48:29):
talking about uniforms before, I'm going to be wearing my
white Harry Carson eighty six Super Bowl uniform with the
Spider Lockhart patch on it and CoA Giants beat Eagles
and I'll take theirs off the air.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Thank you guys, nice, Thank you, Tom, appreciate the call.
I'm not sure if you have anything to say off that.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
No, that was awesome. He first of all, he'd be
on his stats man, he'd be on his information number.
Absolutely does salute you, Tim. I'm excited about this weekend man,
And look it's it's a interesting thing because you are
what your record is right right now, the Giants are
a bad team according to that record, right they're two

(49:05):
and five, But they don't look like that on the
football field. They don't look like a bad team, you know.
They visually they look like they can compete with anybody,
you know, like and I think they can, you know,
And that's that's a really good feeling to have because smug.
I don't remember the last time I felt like that,
because even in the playoff run, I didn't feel like
they can compete with teams in the division, and they didn't.

(49:26):
They couldn't, not Dallas in Philly. But now they can.
They beat Philly. They beat Philly very handily. They doubled
the score on Philadelphia. So this team, man, I'm feeling different,
you know about the team. I think everybody is because
the team is different. Right. Jackson Dart said it before.
I think it was after the Chargers win or one

(49:47):
of those games where he was talking about like, yeah,
we weren't involved in all of that negative stuff and
all of that losing back in the day. That's the
summation of what he said, and so all of that
stuff about the Giants can't win in Philly. This is
not the same Giants team. This is not the same
team that can't win in Philly. This is the same team.
This is not the same team that can't beat Philly
at all. They just beat them, you know. So this

(50:10):
team is a different team, and they are two and five, right,
they have to be able to pull wins out for
us to stand on what I'm saying right now. But
they feel different, they look different, they're competing, they're scoring
points like that.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Well, look, that's the difference. And I think you can't
jac you hit it on the head, man. When you
can go into a game and you believe on any
given possession your quarterback can make a couple of big
blues plays and can help drive you down and score points,
it makes all the difference in terms of how you
feel about these games. Even when you're in them, you
go down to score. You know, you went down ten
points in a game last year, I felt like you

(50:45):
were down thirty. Yeah, doesn't feel that way.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
And they look like it too, right, Yeah, yeah, it
does not feel like that. And look, man, that the
kid has energy. It's contagious. I feel like everybody is
building off of it. I just need to see less mistakes, right,
because last week in that fourth quarter, what we saw

(51:08):
was a summation of all the mistakes that the Giants
have made this year in one quarter, right, getting out leveraged,
false starts, off sides, like all of the things we've
seen that you know, costs of a game or possession
here or there. It happened all in the fourth and a.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Lot of them weren't physical mistakes either.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
A lot of them was mental mistakes, right, and a
lot of times and this is it kills me every
time I see it. And it's not one person on
the defense. They keep going out inside of these blocks
on the perimeter and it's like we got we have
to stop doing that.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Thipotau on the keeper with the Nixon.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
The right too, Like it's so many times and it's like, guys,
of those plays, you have to stop doing that, you know,
like that's the cardinal sin. Like you literally have ten
teammates on the field. When you do that, you take
them all out of the play. You take them all out,
You take them all out, and you get and most

(52:01):
most guys in the NFL offensive guys, they want to
go outside that's what they want to do.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Yeah, these just so many that there's fewer bodies, right, and.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
They got the sideline there they give you run out
of bounds and not get touched, top the clock, whatever
the case is. But they had for me on defense.
That's what's that's what's kind of like killing me the most.
Like I'm seeing that, like what are we doing? Like
mistakes will happen, right, but as a unit, they can't
keep making the same mistakes against this team, the Eagles.
They do one of the best jobs, no matter what

(52:31):
their record is right now, they do one of the
best jobs in capitalizing off your mistakes. They do.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
I'm with you. And by the way, I mentioned this
earlier when the call col and Rayray McLeod is the
new receiver the Giants have brought in. He had six
hundred and eighty six receiving yards in Atlanta last year.
So just someone to keep in mind that the Giants
will have it in the mix this week and we'll see,
uh whether or not he's active on game day. Let's
go to Elliott in Puerto Rico. He will wrap us
up today. Elliot, what's going on? Man?

Speaker 6 (52:56):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (52:56):
John Modikua, what's up man, it's most reasonable.

Speaker 5 (53:10):
Yeah, you remember that first of the when the season starts,
I told you I will wait four weeks until I
see what we have, and I just uh wait, And
then I moved my timeline because of the change of
the quarterback. Yeah, and now that Dark I have four games.

Speaker 6 (53:34):
And we are like two and two in the Dark Era.
So I don't feel like.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
The sky is falling. I think that it's it's very refreshing,
it's very you know, like I'm feeling very hopeful for
the future. I think that he is our QB one.
I don't like the hits that he takes, but it
is what it is, and I'm very hopeful for the

(54:03):
for the future of the of the franchise. I'm not
going to talk about the last game because in a
game that just scored three points or more, you should
win that game.

Speaker 6 (54:15):
But it is what it is, yep.

Speaker 5 (54:17):
And I just want to know, you know, I don't know.
I was not hearing the program before and I don't
know you talk about this, but what do you think
is the most important thing for the past to victory
this Sunday? And I think that for me is our secondary.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
No, look, I Elian I'm with you. I think if
they especially with the two injuries out there, with with
the Debo and Holland. But I think and I think
I said this was it Tuesday with Howard or Monday
with Tod I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
To me, j C.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
The thing that still words me with this team is
too many times when other teams decide they're going to
throw the ball downfield. And I think this seems pretty
good at those like passes right around line of scrimmage,
crashing down on those old screens, quick throws they crash down.
I think they usually do a pretty good job tackling those,
and they big runs off of those, and then they're
good at those. But when teams decide to throw the
ball down the field, there's just a lot too much

(55:12):
space too many times and they're throwing the ball downfield.
So if you would hope the pass rush can out
mitigate that, it hasn't consistently enough this year. If there's
one defensive worry that I have above all else, I
think for me that would be it.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Yeah, I think I'm on the same page as you.
You know, when that ball is in the air, man
and most guys they're in a position that's the thing.
Like they're not like getting beat. They're not like mental errors.
They're not like leaving guys wide open.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
That's not getting toasted. Left it right here.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
But and it's not one guy, Like, there's not one guy,
it's a lot of the guys. When that ball is
in the air and it's coming down to their guy
and their tenor receiver, it's almost like they panic, you know,
right at the end, or they just don't play the
ball well enough, you know, And that that does scare me.
And and this is a team that this team is
not gonna pick you apart. Jalen Hurts is not that
type of quarterback. Now they are gonna throw the ball

(56:00):
deep to those to receive.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Yeah, this isn't like Drew Breeze where he's gonna surgically
dissect you.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
No, these are big play guys. And yes there's checkdowns
that happened. There's there's definitely hitches. God is a guy
that they definitely feature around.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
But you're almost throwing those hitches to set up the
stopping gum, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
They also like they're like chechdowns basically. You know, it's
like you're looking you're looking and it's like, all right,
the hitch is there.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
And also when you can't run it, you have to
throw short passes to put yourself into better down and distance.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Right, They're like extensions of the run game.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
That scarce to me because's the last game we put
like three or four only in the box at the
end of the game, and you have all those people
over there, you know, like six or seven or eight
out and and they you know, sow and and we
couldn't do anything.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
So I don't know, no, I hear you man appreciate it,
and I know that.

Speaker 5 (56:59):
You feel that, and because you're there with them and
and to you know, a score and three plus points
and build a game. And we were like nineteen zero
or something like that.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Hey, look at Elliott and Ellie that's the thing too.
And I appreciate the call. And jac I think you
made this point. Well, that's why I can't lose my
mind when people want to call up and blame Shane
Bowen and blame the coaches. I feel like guys are
in position to make plays most of the time. That's
isn't As a player, isn't that all you can ask
your coach to do? That's it isn't the Dallas Cowboys
where until this week they were better against the Commanders

(57:38):
where guys are running in the secondary and there's no
one within like twenty yards of guys. Like when you
start seeing that, then you can start worry about what
the coaches are teaching.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Right, Yeah, like if if the guys were making the
plays there and it's like, all right, man, that was
a horrible call because like you said, this guy's wide
open or this guy didn't have a chance. That's not
the case. That that's really not the case. And Elliott
talked about scoring thirty points. Basically both games that the
Giants scored thirty points they lost, but I think it

(58:07):
was because of mistakes made. You can blame it on
the call, but it's a collective effort. Like I've never
put I played football for seventeen years. I've never looked
and be like, man, I was a back hall, you
know what I mean? Like it was only one time.
There was only one time. Let me take that back,
can you tell me? Yes? I can't tell you. So
we talked about storm from Spagnola right though all out books, Right,

(58:30):
this is the one time I think bj Goodson was
the middle linebacker call. Yeah. Bj Goodson was a linebacker, right.
He was called in a call he had the green dock.
It was Storm. It was called against I think the
Commanders at the time they were the Redskins.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
That's Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
I believe so. I believe so. And we had Storm called.
It was like a false start or a penalty or
off side or something or time. It was something. But
we showed our hand, We showed that what we were doing.
He called it again and I was like, I was like,
we can't that. They just I was like, we cannot
run that player. He was like, oh, I said, bro,
call something else. But they're getting lined up, so it's

(59:06):
hard to like, did you ride? I did it. If
it was in the middle, he would have, but he didn't.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
What did you do for him?

Speaker 2 (59:13):
And then they scored a touchdown?

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Oh so you didn't change the f No.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
I did it. I should have did it. Like I
felt responsible, do you know what I'm saying. I didn't
blame SPACs.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
I felt like the second year player.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Yeah, he was so young, so I get it, but
I felt responsible, like I didn't say oh with SPACs fall,
I feel like, man, I should have changed the play.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
How they score a touchdown?

Speaker 2 (59:33):
How they scored I think it was just a pass.
I don't know it was it was a deep path.
I remember the touchdown because I walked to the I
was so mad it.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Was cover zero. I was, yes, it was the same
play that was in twenty seventeen or twenty fifteen. You said, right,
one of those years.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
It was a home gaming against the Commanders. I believe.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
I'm going to try to find this, try to find
a right. As I try to find this, give me
your keys to the Giants to beat the Eagles on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
The number one key for me is protect the football.
Protect the football and create turnover, so create takeaways. Protect
the football. I think when you look at the stats,
those numbers might be all skewed, but the win losses
I think for these teams is gonna come down to
who protects the ball and who takes the football away.
Just like when they played two weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Do you remember if you won that game or you
lost that game.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
I can't. By my memory's bad, bro, I remember that
I remember moments.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Oh boy, yeah, this is impossibly. Have to figure out
if you can't even tell me you scored the Dan
touchdown if won or lost, and I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Figured it might have been read, but I'm not sure
because I know recaught one on me, not a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
But oh the Jordan read the tight end.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Yeah, he's really good.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
He was really good. All right. Yeah, look, I'm with you.
I think you know you gotta win these You have
to win this game on on on the margins here.
I think that's how you do it. You just have
to figure out a way to not make mistakes. Again.
They were plus two and turnovers the last time they
played Philadelphia. You know, don't let Saquon finally have his
big game. Man, don't don't let that happen. And I

(01:00:55):
don't think it will because look, Cam Jurgen's out again.
Landon Dickerson's back, but he still doesn't look quite the
same to me. So and they just haven't blocked as
well up front. Try to get a lead if you're forced,
if you're forced to eat. The Eagles want to win
these games by controlling them. Yeah, they don't want to
have to come from behind. That's not how they want
to play football. So if you can again start fast,

(01:01:15):
get a lead, make the Eagles become a little bit
more one dimensional.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Let's hold on to it. Let's hold on to the lead.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
And no big plays. You can allow big plays in
the passing game if you make Jalen Hurts methodically march
the ball. I don't think they're gonna be able to
do that consistently.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I fully agree with that. I fully agree if you
can make them because even if they hit a couple
big plays, if you can stand up and be tall
in the red zone, you will have success.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Agreed. All right, that's all the time you have for
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Brandon London this week with Madeline Breakdown and have some
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when the last time was that the Giants swept the Eagles.
Wasn't that one of the wasn't that the trivia question
in Giants hang Out? We didn't use it this this week. Okay,
so I'm gonna use it right now then, all right,
So the last time the Giants swept the Eagles was
in two thousand and seven. You remember in the game

(01:02:26):
that they won in Philadelphia, which was the second game
that year to win that game for the Giants. Who
was the starting quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles in seven? Yeah,
we did use this. Wait, no, it was twenty thirteen we.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Used Yeah, it was that year seven. Oh wait a second, McNab.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Am I confusing the two teams, Pearson, That's my bad.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
You're good in seven? That was McNabb for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
I think it one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
I got the answer you give us?

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Oh did you you got it?

Speaker 6 (01:02:58):
That?

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
You get?

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
You say he has the same name is the run
the same last name as a running back? So I
was thinking like Barkley Bikeley, bike Ley Bikeley. Yeah, I
got it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Interesting. Interesting, So I'm gonna look up real quick. So
Giants in two thousand and seven, shout up Pierson. The
Giants won in Philly on December ninth to close out
that year, and the starting quarterback for the Eagles was
Donovan Big Nebb and your man Brian Westbrook in that
game where You Love twenty four one, sixteen on the ground,
five for thirty eight and a touchdown in the air
in that game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
So yeah, good job.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
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