Big Blue Kickoff Live 11/10 | Bears Review & Breaking News

John Schmeelk and Paul Dottino review the game against the Chicago Bears, talk about the coaching changes, and take calls from fans.

0:00 - Bears review

19:40 - Breaking news

34:50 - Calls

43:30 - Jaxson Dart

48:00 - Giants defense

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fall to the Chicago Bears in a way that unfortunately

(00:44):
is becoming a trend this year. Paul, twenty four to
twenty fourth time this year the Giants have led by
ten points in a game and lost three of them.
I put in the same category the Bears game, the
Broncos game, and the Cowboys game. I would put the
Saints game. They led by ten in the four quarter
and then that game turned. That would kind of put
that into a separate category. But the bottom line here, Paul.

(01:05):
They had a ten point lead late in this game,
and we could talk about some of the moments and
other things, but I think from a larger, big picture perspective, again,
the defense two consecutive drives at the end of the game,
they give up two touchdowns, they blow the ten point lead,
and they end up losing the football game.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
You know, John, I think, to be honest with you,
this was one of those games where and we always
talk about the spider web, right, you know that I'm
very big on the spider web. I look at this
game and I say, yes, in the last six and
a half minutes, the defense gave up two lengthy touchdown drives,
one really lengthy one ninety one yards and the other
one a lot shorter. And it's really easy to look

(01:44):
on the surface and just say, yes, the defense failed
after playing stellar football for three and a half quarters,
that's easy to do. I have to say that the
Giants offense stalling at the one yard line early early
in the in the in the fourth was a huge
play because it left four points on the board that

(02:05):
was totally unnecessary.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
And then after that, okay, let me just pull up
here in my notes that I gave myself as I
was watching the game.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Well, by the way, bab and before you even get
to the next thing, back to back possessions, you have
the Dart fumble where you're going into Bears, the Bears.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Red zone twenty one yard line.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
He fumbled around the twenty two or twenty something like that.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
That's points.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
So that's points right there, and that's your minus one.
If you don't turn it over there, you probably win
the game. And by the way, on that play, if
you I know, you haven't a chance to review the
game because you guys got home late last night with
the weather. But on that play, everyone's blocking. There's one
wide receiver that does not block. On the play he
goes out for a route. You know whose man hit
Jackson Dart and forced to fumble the guy the wide

(02:50):
receiver did a block, And that was on that play
that happened to be Wandell Robinson. Everyone else was blocking.
He ran a little bit of a quick out. Maybe
there was like a passing option on that read option
zone and replay that was there. I didn't see it.
But again, and then of course Dark gets hurt on
that play. That to me, it was a turning point
of the game to me, that fumble an injury that

(03:11):
kind of changed everything, Paul. And the sad thing is
that if Dark doesn't fumble that ball, he's not reaching
for it on his way down to the ground, he
probably never gets hurt to begin with. So that was
kind of the beginning. Anyway, go ahead, what was your
next point after if the possession after that second goal
with the one where you couldn't again and which again
we'll get to that, but that was.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Also a big problem. Well, the Giants have three more
possessions the rest of the way, and I'm sorry to say,
but they only got one first down and it was
on the desperation trive at the end out of Wilson scramble.
That's it, I think, if I'm not mistaken, they had
like eleven totally yards on three possessions after they had

(03:51):
taken a twenty to ten league.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Well, a big problem is that penalties so on their
drive after the field goal, and we could talk of
line at the back and we could talk about that
decision too. At the time, I was actually okay with
them kicking the field goal there because I wanted them
to make it a two score game and the defense
was playing really well. I was okay with that.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
I was not, but I understood.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
But in you're at a situation fourth and goal at
the one, you don't make it, they're backed up, the
analytics say go for it there. I was okay making
it a two score game. But to your point, I
understand why you would want to go to the way
fans want to complain about that. I'm not going to
have that fight with them. I understand. The next drive,
to your point, they commit a they run for five

(04:33):
yards on the first play. Great, well, then false start
makes it a second and ten. Then you have a
Schlotman offensive holding penalty on a Tyrone Tracy two yard
run could have been a third and three instead it's
second and twenty. By the way, both were good calls.
There were legitimate calls.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
They were penalties absolutely.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
And then you run for five yards on third and fifteen.
You're back in your own you know you're around it.
By the way, you got the ball at the Bear's
forty three yard line. Yeah, on that drive.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, even if you just kick a.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Field goal there, that might help you to an extent.
I mean he still lose by one to some degree.
You're in good field position there and you commit those
two penalties and it kills you. And then on the
next two sacks and three snaps correct and one was
a cover zero unblocked pressure that Wilson has to get
the ball out and see it because there's someone that's

(05:20):
unaccounted for on that particular play. And then on the
first one, on a first and tend there was a sack.
They want to play action pass and no one's open
and Wilson runs into a sack. So yeah, the offense
looked in that, but once a dart went out of
the game. And look, you know me and you spoke
well about Russell Wilson before the season, and I though
the players did as well. But man, he gets very

(05:41):
antsy in that pocket. Even when there's no pressure. His
eyes drop and he just if that first read isn't there,
he gets a little panicky, even when the offensive line
has these plays blocked up, and it just it it
did not look good.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Well, I will say this, he did lead them downfield
on the seventy nine yard drive to get the field goal.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
There was a lot of running.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
There was there was, but he effectively was able to
read the plays and move the offense and get the
field goal.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Devin Dry, by the way, save that drive by pay
a tackle which would have gone for a loss ran
for forty.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Agreed, So I agree with your premise eighty five percent.
I do not there because teams know and by the way,
didn't we tell you this all summer that if teams
get pressure between the tackles and up the middle in
front of Russell Wilson's face, as has been the case
his whole career, He's going to have trouble finding openings

(06:36):
to look through.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
And the minute he got in the game, the Bear
started blitzing Bingo. They knew, they knew, They knew he
doesn't have the speed and the quickness to necessarily create
open vision once teams start to pressure him in the
front of the pocket. This was not something that was
a secret. We knew this, John, We hold everybody.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
The Giants must protect the front of the pocket. If
Russell Wilson is going to be effective, that's just the
nature of the beast. And the Bears saw it. They
knew it. When he got in the game. That's where
they attacked, except for the one guy who off the edge.
I understand that one unblocked, but they knew exactly what
the strategy was going to be get in his face,

(07:24):
so we can't see and it worked perfectly and the
Giants were helpless to do anything about it. So back
to your original point, Yes, the defense crumbled in the
last six minutes, no one is going to deny that.
But the offense has to take some responsibility here too.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, and by the way, so does the special teams?
Does Jamie Gillens shanks a punt and give the Bears
the ball and midfield? So once again, you want to
talk about decision making on fourth downs, the Giants will,
by the way, all of two on fourth down conversions
in the first half, So the Bears, by the way,
if you ought to talk about special teams letting it down,
you can do that. You want to talk about the
defense letting you down, you can do that. You want

(08:02):
to talk about the offense letting you down, you can
do that. So you can check all those boxes and
now big picture wise, and we'll get to your calls
here in a second, folks, we can go I want
to go through a couple of the micro things in
this game too. Now we don't know about the Jackson
dar for next week. In the modern NFL, it's very
difficult to clear concussion protocol in a week. The way
the rules are set up, you have to hit every

(08:23):
single threshold as fast as humanly possible. And you're at
the point too now where look, Jackson Dart has been
tested for whether or not he's had a concussion four
times now, and the fourth one he determined he did
have one. And good job by the Giants self reporting that.
By the way, once they said that he wasn't right
to send him into the tent.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yes, but.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Do you want to try to bring him back in
just a week either. That's another thing you have to decide.
If you're at the Giants, you're trying to take care
of your franchise quarterback. You know that the guy you
hope is going to be here for a long time.
So those are all things now we have to think
about going forward. And by the way, who blind Day
would not commit to this last night as a Russell
next week? Is it Jameis Winsdon if Jackson Dark can't go.
So these are all things that we don't know. Jermiah
David will be addressing in the media one twenty five,

(09:06):
By the way, I'll get.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
The point, this point right out of the way. If
Dart is not clear to play, there's no doubt in
my mind, I'm going to Wilson because I mean Winston.
I'm so foggy right now with little sleep.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
I think I would too, to be honest with Yeah, I'm.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Going to James Winston because he is under contract for
next year with a four million dollar salary. You might
as well see what he's got because you already have
the rights to him. Russell Wilson's a free agent at
the end of the year. He's gonna go somewhere else
if he even plays or retire. Correct, So he's not
part of twenty twenty six. So with all due respect,

(09:48):
and I understand that he's got the better resume, and
you could definitely say, well, with all his accomplishments, as
we said over the summer, he gives you a better
chance to win than Jameis Winston. You could make that case.
But you could also make the case, for practicality purposes,
that since he is going to be somewhere else after

(10:10):
the season, you need to see what Jameis Winston can bring.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
If I made you guess, if Dark can't play. Who
the starter would be. Who do you think it's gonna be.
I think it's gonna think they'll I think it's gonna
be Wilson. He's been the backup.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
I suspect it will be Wilson too, only because they've
had a chance to flip the backups and they haven't
done it to this point. That's my thought, which makes
me think that's just wi will be the guy. I
suspect just on that evidence, Wilson will be the guy.
I know I would. I would like to at least
get a look at Winston in this offense.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
If dark can't go all right, here's some things that
I want to bring up as micro things. You can
stop it interrupt me if you want to comment on
any of these individually. Paul's I gotta run through them here. Okay,
I thought I did look this up. This was the
most the Giants have played under center, and the most
play action the Giants have run since Jackson Dart had
become a starting quarterback. They varying success on those plays,

(11:12):
but I think I like that as part of the
look in this game, and I think they'd make some
big plays on those plays, so I give them credit.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
For that.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
I like they went back to twelve personnel. They led
the NFL in twelve personnel usage this week with over
eighty percent of their snaps at a twelve personnel I
like that, you know, I do. They could not run
the ball worth you know what in the first half
of this game the Giants. It was embarrassing. I think
five rushes for two yards if I remember properly. Second half,
I thought they went to more of a downhill style

(11:39):
run game, and I thought the offensively did a much
better job in the third quarter. Then they went back
to the zone run game in the fourth quarter and
that worked too.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
So yeah, but then that's when the pass protection broke down.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Well, I mean that's when Jackson left the game, So
oh that's connected, right, But the run game was much
better in the second half. Tyrone Tracy looked better. At
Devin Singletary looked better.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
I thought made some of his best downfield throws I've
seen this year. I really liked his the one loose
play that he made. I thought he actually was much
better in the pocket this game than he has been.
There wasn't as many of those kind of scramble around
loose plays, but the one he threw to THEO Johnson
rolling to his right and where he hit THEO right
on the sideline. Great toe drag as well from THEO
Johnson's play.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Really liked that one handy catch by Slayton. How about
that one that was.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
A really nice play. That was a better catch that
it was a throw, Yes, in my opinion. I thought
the one over the middle to Slayton was a really
good throw. It was a cover two yeah, and he
threw it right over Noah Sewell's head for a catch.
I thought that was a great throw against zone.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
No.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
I mean the frustrating part about this, folks, and we'll
let john finish this year in a second, huh, is
that this is another one of those games.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Sorry, where good, good, good, good, good, good good ugly.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
You know, so many good things happened.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
I thought the Bears blitzes were very creative. I thought
the Giants had some trouble with some of those Bears
in terms of letting guys get home over. I thought
the pass protection was pretty good. I thought they gave
Dark time to throw. I did not have a problem
with the Giants pass protection except a couple of again,
a couple of those issues on those Blitzer, Yeah, a
little bit, and then.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
When Wilson came in, the pressure was just overwhelming.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
But again I think if you go when you'll go
back and watch it, there's a couple of those where
the pocket's actually okay and it's just a little bit.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, I got a review it this morning.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Penalties at an opportune times. You had a couple Deontay
Banks penalties which, by the way, I did not like
them when I looked at them on a review. The
one was the pass in appearance was okay. I thought
the legal contact was a little bit soft on that. Yeah,
especially especially in the stuff in the secondary. I did
not look at the tone. The more penalty it was ten,
which is unacceptable. Giants had let's say ten for sixty

(13:45):
nine yards. That's way too many.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
You think it. Don't call on Phillips at the end
to shove.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Oh yeah, it was penalty. Absolutely, he shoved o dunes,
He knocked them down the fifteen yards down the field.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
I think Odons they helped sell it.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Well whatever, it's still it is a penalty.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
It is a penalty.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Fact.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
But yeah, that one, I fill. A couple of those
I thought were soft that one I thought was an
easy one. I thought it looked easier than it was
because I think Doonza helped sell it. But yeah, you
have those penalties, which you don't like.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Your two failed fourth downs, and I didn't like the
fact that you passed on a fourth and two and
you passed on a fourth and one. Now, I know
the Giants were running the ball well in the first half,
so that's why you do it, but you did not
manage to convert those And I wonder if that also
jaded Dable in terms of going forward on the fourth
and goal with the one or because you had those
fourth and short failures. Again, I don't know the answer

(14:36):
to that. And again, if you want to complain about that,
I totally get where you're coming from. Again, at the time,
I wanted to get the two score leag bees. The
defense was playing well. Looking back on it, you should
probably go for it there, And I said, no, I'm
changing my mind from the post game show yesterday, And
you can do that when you think about things a
little bit more.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Dart.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I know people complained about this too. He only rushed
the ball six times in this game, even though he's
heard on run of them. Five of them were on designs,
and by the way, he was very successful. These were
alls runs, Paul. I've tracked all six of them. I
wrote him down third and goal to two. You run
it an untouched for a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Third and eleven, the same play that he got hurt on.
By the way, he used that same play three times.
It's a read option with double pullers.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
All right. That's a play that they used to run
with Lamar Jackson all the time in Baltimore. It's kind
of like a countertrait type of move. Third and eleven,
twenty five yards touchdown. He scrambles on a first and ten,
first and ten zone read, double pullers, twenty four yards touchdown,
fourth and one first down play action designed bootleg run.
You get that, you convert that in a fourth and run,

(15:39):
and then the second and six he gets the first down,
same play, zone read, the double puller, and he has
again hurt in that play. So those are the dart runs.
You don't want to run design dart runs. I understand
the argument. Just understand you're taking away a lot of
what's made him successful as a rookie year in his
first year.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
So you know, me.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
I'm an anti runner guy, but I always say four
runs is like right around my number, you know.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
And they had five design ones, right, So that's to me,
that's not being reckless. It's not uh So that's how
I look at that. They had seven passes of fifteen
or more yards. They the fifth highest deep pass ring
the league. They're trying to get the ball down the field.
They allowed a forty two pressure rate was eighteenth in
the league this year. Dark got the ball. I think
a little bit quicker in this game. I should look

(16:24):
at it average time of throw. I didn't look at that.
That was the offensive notes. My other defensive notes. Ball Again,
I'd love to get your take if you want to
comment or disagree or whatever on any of these. The
pressure on the Bears first series on fourth decks. On
the first Bears fourth down where he eventually got the
DJ Moore near the sideline and he kind of couldn't

(16:46):
come up with it for the It was really nice
though by Caleb Williams. He just couldn't come up with it.
If Dexter Lawrence does not get pressure on that, it's
a deep post for a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Jim Moore's wide open wide open, so dexter. So people
talk about pressure. You can see it from the box,
So people talk about pressures, not man mattering. Oh it matters.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
That pressure mattered because if Kayla Wiams has a safe pocket,
he's sitting Dj Moore for an easy deep post for
a touchdown. Yeap defense in the first half. Even the
run defense was legitimately good until that last drive of
the first half when deon Jy Swift got that long
run to the outside. He gained about forty rushing yards
in that on that and that would have you know,
that was more than half of what they got in

(17:22):
the first half. Again, then it kind of fell apart
a little bit later on.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
I would still go the whole defense for three and
a half quarters was good.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, they did a nice job. I agree the run
defense started to get a little bit worse in the
second half, but I generally I agree with you. Yes,
Bears oh of two on fourth down in the first half,
I thought that was good. I counted over the course
of this game, Paul, and there were multiple ones on
the same play, and I counted those. I got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
Ten different players have chances at sacks and miss him,

(17:52):
and again you got And look, Kayla, Williams is the
first overall pick for a reason. He's a really good athlete.
He's been good at sack avoidance all year. We talked
about in the pregames on someday that's one of his skills.
But I will say this, Paul, if you want to
be an elite pass rush, you gotta get him down
on some of those plays.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
You just have to.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
I know he's talented, I know he's the first overall pick.
If you're gonna be an elite pass rush, you have
to get him down on some of those plays. You must,
you must, you must. And again ten point lead, And
I've said this in multiple other games. Yep, ten point
lead and stuff like that. Ten point lead and stuff
like that over the course of this game, and they

(18:31):
were not able to get down in terms of the
pass rush. So just something to keep in mind here
as you move forward with what's happening.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
One of the really big ones Darius Alexander in the
UH in the fourth quarter on the ninety one yard
touchdown drive. Darius Alexander had him probably twice and Williams
Williams got away and that turned into an incompletion, but

(19:06):
it could have been a huge loss. The Bears had
just cracked the fifty yard line and more on the
giant side of the field.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
And then.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Alexander has a shot to basically tilt the field and
ruin it for them, and twice during William's ridiculous scramble
he gets away and William Alexander can't finish him off.
And even though it's only an incompleted pass, it allows
them come to write back at the line of scrimmage
again where on the next play a dune'say eighteen yard

(19:41):
in cut, he beats Dre Phillips Drew Phillips. So you know,
I don't know what a sack there have helped them
salt the game away. I don't know, but it certainly
would have killed some of the Bear's momentum. And that one,
just that one just really called me because he had
two chances at him, and it seemed like Williams back
there forever just trying to do something with it, and

(20:03):
and and and there's the incompletion helps save the drive
in my opinion, Paul, we have some news, yes we do.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
The Giants have according to reports, this has not been
confirmed by the team. Yet I have let go of
Brian Davile as their head coach and Mike Kafka will
be the interim head coach. Okay, wow, So again we'll
wait for confirmation on this. That's why I was on
my phone here, folks. Someone just indicated as we were

(20:33):
talking about the show. I'm not looking at my computer.
We don't have the TV on. We should have the
TV on. That that that got indicated. But looks like
there's gonna be some change here. We'll see again, we'll
wait for confirmation on this, but this is what we're
looking at right now. Mike Kafki is obviously somebody that
and I understand why you put him in this position.

(20:54):
He's been one of the guys that have managed Jackson
Dart here and that's one of the main putsh out
of forty on Johnny Mack. That's one of the main
guys that have kind of managed his development here in
terms of moving forward, and it looks like that's what
the Giants are going to do now.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Well, the one thing I will say about this, actually,
I'll say two things. If if the reports turn out
to be accurate, and again we will stress again for
the umpteenth time. No official comment from the Giants either way.
What we do know about Mike Kafka, we know he
has been downstairs, and so his relationship with Jackson Dart

(21:31):
throughout the course of the season, in terms of helping
him grow and mature, has been a hands on during
the game relationship. He wasn't upstairs in the box how
many yards away upstairs looking down. No, Dart was interacting
with him always during the course of games. That'll give

(21:51):
you a better feel for where the guy is, and
I'm sure it also helps Dart's comfort zone with him
knowing that he was there with him all the time,
talking between every series. I think that will be something
that you would feel better about. The other item is
that Mike Kafka has gone on a number of interviews
the last couple of years, and teams have clearly from

(22:12):
AFAR looked at him and said, this is a guy
who has some potential and has some upside. So if
indeed this is going to be the case, they're looking
at a guy who has some capable hands, at least
according to many people around the league. And also a
Division one Yeah, it's a Division one conversations too.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, he was also the head coach at Shrinebole a
couple of years back as well. Yeah, so he does
have some experience. There's no other word on anything else
that might be going on in terms of changes, But
that's kind of where we sit right now in terms
of what the Giants are going to do here moving forward.
But you know, Paul, this is not a decision I'm
sure that ownership wanted to make. But and look, you

(22:56):
could talk about micro reasons that things happen. When we
look at it as an over arcing theme, they just
have not won enough games over the past three seasons,
and the way they've lost games this year with leads
late in three of them, especially Dallas Denver and now
of course this past game, that it's just a tough
thing for I think I understand why you wouldn't want

(23:19):
to move forward and you would want to make a change. Again,
I don't, I don't. I'm not of the belief that
mid season coaching changes are going to like just turn
things around and make you know, huge differences. That's just
not the way I look at it, and you rarely
see that happen. You might get a you know, temporary
boost or something like that. Right, But I mean I

(23:39):
get it if you're just saying that the results have
not been good enough and the way you've lost these
games we need to change. I understand where you're.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Coming from on that.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
While I will say this, the organization's philosophy from the
very very beginning of the formation of the New York
Football Giants has always been to wait till after the season.
I mean, that's the way they want to do business,
if at all possible. It's only the fourth time in
Giant's history they've been around one hundred and one years
that they have made a change with a head coach
in season.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Who have been the other ones?

Speaker 2 (24:09):
That would have been McAdoo, right, And.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
That was special circumstances with the ELI thing.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, you remember the whole Launchparker thing. Not me, I
don't remember that well, but it's so big that puts
Arching fumble and I understand, yes, you know, that was
a big deal. And then there was one way way
way back even before my time. Okay, so there was
a before year time. Yeah, there was. I know, it's
hard to believe, but there was. So you know, there

(24:36):
have been there have been times that this has happened,
so to be Frank, you know they will do everything
they can not to make a decision like this until
after the season, because there's Wellington Marrow always used to say,
your emotions get involved. If you're in season, you can't

(24:57):
separate the emotions from the line. So you want to
wait until after the season because then you can potentially
clear the emotions out and make the most logical decision possible.
We have seen, or at least I've seen in my lifetime,
twice they felt like the situation was so dramatic that

(25:19):
they needed to do something. If this is the case today,
that tells you how far they believe this situation pushed them.
It's just that simple.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah. Look, I didn't get the sense that the locker
room was lost. I felt like the guys were still
playing hard. I didn't feel there were effort issues, to
be honest with you, But again and again we've taken
We've had many Monday shows and Tuesday shows or people
have called them and then said about this, and we
have said, look, we understand the opinion. We weren't. We
didn't sit here vociferously argue against it. And again, according

(25:51):
to reports, the Giants have moved on from Brian Davile
and named Mike Kafka the interim head coach. Here were
waiting for confirmation from the Giants on this decision, but
you know, is just moving forward now. I just I
don't know. I'm not sure there is really a whole
lot that's going to quote unquote change. I mean, Mike
Kofka on the offensive side of the ball, ran this

(26:13):
offense with Brian Dable. They put it together every week,
they put the game plan together. I don't think how
we're gonna see some like huge material change and how
they're going about things game planning and stuff like that.
You just can't make those types of big changes no
mid year. I mean maybe once you get to the
bye week and you have extra time, you can put
a couple of new things in, But that's four weeks away,
so you still got games against the Packers, the Lines,
and the Patriots. So we'll have to see what it is.

(26:35):
But obviously this means then too, you're gonna have a
if again if the reports end up being accurate and
the Giants confirmed this, that you're gonna end up having
a coaching search after the year, and you're gonna and
then why don't we had a call last week asking
when are you gonna start talking about potential coaching candidates
next year? Well, now you can call up and ask
about that. If this ends up being accurate, so and

(26:55):
then we're gonna have to go through the whole coaching
process again, which is something unfortunately U Giant fans have
been accustomed to over the course of the last eight years.
The only thing I call sit about that is when
you start putting together a list, if you are in
the market to do so, you have to understand that
not everybody you may want is going to be available.
There are going to be a bunch of guys who

(27:16):
you might like to speak with, who are tied to
certain people in certain organizations or even certain colleges that
you may not be able to get your hands on.
So even that conversation is kind of sketchy and maybe
a little bit still premature because you just don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
About the available pool.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, and I guess then the question is what are
you going to make your priorities?

Speaker 4 (27:38):
Right?

Speaker 1 (27:38):
I mean we've been you know, teams swing back and
forth when they make these types of shortages. Right, all right,
we just hired a coordinator, Well, now we want someone
with that experience. Oh yeah, now you want a court
offensive guy defensive correct, So I think you have to
decide what you're looking for here. Obviously, when you're trying
to develop a franchise quarterback, I think you would want
a stabilizing force on offense. So you're not you know,

(28:00):
bringing in different coordinators. Think about if you don't hire
an offensive head coach and your offensive coin ends up
being really good, he's going to get into the job
somewhere and then you lose your offensive coordinator train your
young quarterback. So so do you make that a priority?
Do you make prior head coaching experience a priority? Is
that important to you? Do you talk about a college
someone from the college ranks. These are all decisions that

(28:22):
you eventually have to make when you start thinking about
this decision and you go through your coaching search.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
In the offseason. You know, John, I think one of
the things that you know, we all understand is that
no matter what decision the Giants make, if they are
moving forward, whether or not it's now or at the
end of the year, they understand that they think they
got their franchise QB. They think they do if they're right,

(28:49):
If Jackson Dart really is good enough to be that guy. Well,
the last thing in the world you want to do
is make the wrong selection that will be real him,
because nothing is worse than having the guy. And we've
seen this now with Daniel Jones. You know, things didn't
work out here and this was not a coaching thing.

(29:10):
It was just a confluence of events that derailed Daniel Jones.
But we know this because we've heard you folks call us,
and we know what people have said outside the building.
Oh wow, look Daniel Jones is doing great now. Boy,
that really stinks. He couldn't do that here. You hate
to have that guy get away because you didn't have
the right circumstances or the right people to bring out

(29:32):
the best in him. So ultimately, if the Giants do
wind up naming a new head coach and he is
a defensive oriented guy, well then that oc becomes the
utmost most important decision that you're going to make.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah, and the problem you run into is that you're
either going to have to find one that doesn't currently
have a job, or you'll probably have to find one
that you're promoting and maybe has not done the job before. Right,
because in order to pull somebody off somebody else's staff.
They have to be getting a promotion. So it's a
quarterbacks coach or a wide receivers coach, whatever offensive line coach,

(30:10):
whatever type of coach you're talking about, or it's someone
that had an offensive coordinator job and it is currently unemployed,
and then someone made the argument, well why is he unemployed?

Speaker 5 (30:18):
Right?

Speaker 1 (30:19):
So that's why it does get awfully tricky if you
don't go with you And again, I'm guys, we just
found this out now, so we're kind of trying to
figure this out and think about it at the same
time you are, as we just learned this decision again,
if in.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Fact, once once we hear if there's confirmation, which we
do not have, correct, this.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Is just accord to the reports right now. So that's
something that you're going to have to figure out moving forward,
how you're gonna handle the offense. And Paul, what do
you want the offense to look at? Do you want
more of a West Coast offense? Do you want more
of a you know, play action drop it? Do you
want more of a play action Sean McVeigh, you know,

(30:58):
Kyle Shanahan type of deal. Do you want a shotgun
based spread offense. You know, what are you looking for
in terms of putting this offense together that you think
Dart plays best in. Here's about the only thing that
I will say, and again this is fresh, but the
only thing that I will say right now off the bat,
as far as the Giants offense is concerned, whether or not,

(31:19):
you know, it's the head coach or it's the OC.
If we're going to speculate and hypothesize about this, it's
got to be a guy who has at least a
background in a system that is comfortable with Dart or
vice versa that Dart is comfortable with, whether it's the
Kafka stable system and Mike Kafka, for all I know,

(31:42):
if he in fact is the interim, maybe Mike Kafka
winds up staying here. Oh, by the way, he could
do a great job the final what is it eight
games left or nine games? Names ten games? Ten games?
The seven games left? Maybe he does a great job
and he ends up getting the job, which would be great.
Someone that dark Hill you're with, and he ends up
sticking around.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Right, And that's why I don't want to eliminate him
from this conversation.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Okay, So my Kafka.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Could be part of that answer. It could be anyone
who is either familiar with the system at Old Miss
that Lane Kiffin implemented, because Dart obviously succeeded with that system.
You know, you don't how many pro systems that look
like that, but sure, right, but it could be or

(32:27):
simply put again, it could be Kafka, or it could
be somebody who is familiar with the dable Kafka system
that they have run here, you know, for a few years,
even though Dart was only for one. So there will
be some tentacles that you could track if you're looking
for somebody that Dart may be comfortable with. I don't

(32:48):
think John here again speculation. I don't think they would
want to go for a head coach or an offensive
coordinator who's going to bring Jackson Dart something entirely different.
I don't think they're going to want to do that.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, now, I think you're right. I agree with that,
Paul all right two on one nine three nine four
five one three two on one nine three nine four
five one three. Guys, I know you you can come.
You still talk about the game, if you want to
talk about this, whatever you want to talk about. We
will take your calls right here on Big Blue Kickoff Live.
And again just a reminder, according to reports, the Giants
have moved on from Brian Dables their head coach named

(33:26):
and Mike Kafka the interim head coach. The Giants have
not confirmed this, but there are many many reports out
there talking about this.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
And by the way, just so you folks have an
understanding about what's going on today, there was supposed to
be a media availability with Brian Dabele at about one
twenty five today, That's right. That was a scheduled media
news conference via video, which is part of the next
day after a game deal. That's always what happens on Mondays.

(33:53):
The media does not come to the facility. We're here
to doing the show, but the media does a video
news conference with Brian Dabele, usually right around one thirty.
So that was scheduled for one twenty five today, And
as far as John and I knew, that was moving
forward like you know, green light, and then we just
heard about.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Oh, they were setting up the camera for the press
conference when I came in here to start the show.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
So I want you folks to understand that, you know,
we were not like bluffing you, you know, this morning
when we started this program, we literally were told as
John was going through something that oh, this is what's
popped up. And that's why we had no idea whatsoever
that something was going down exactly right.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
All right, let's go to Dave and Cranford. He can
lead us off here. Johnny back on line three. Dave,
what's going on?

Speaker 4 (34:40):
How you doing? John? How you doing? Paul?

Speaker 1 (34:42):
What's going on?

Speaker 4 (34:42):
Davy?

Speaker 1 (34:43):
I never know what's gonna happen, right.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
Yeah, John, We've talked about it before, you know. I mean,
I don't know, you know, listening to this as I'm
you know, watching this as I'm uh, you know, sitting
out hold for you guys. But you know, I think
just to say, man, you know, there's people and family
on the other end of all this sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
So always just you know, just to say that.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Oh, Dave, you're right, And I'm sure there are a
lot of giant fans out there that are happy this
is happening because they wanted to change, and I think
it'll help the organization. But look, Dave's I know, fans
don't see the side of him, but he is really
a great dude. He's so much fun interact with around here,
and I'm going to miss him just because of the
type of guy that he is and the environment he
created around here. But yeah, this is the business, that's

(35:28):
the NFL, and we don't get the results. This is
kind of what happens.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
It's kind of what happens. And I went into the
season thinking that he had a path and then I think,
you know, I think I started tofortunately resign myself to this.
So what I was calling about though, so I mean
that we will have plenty of time, We'll have months

(35:53):
to talk about you know, next steps and people and
all that. I think, John, you did bring up a
great point. I mean that I that I see sometimes
just out there on the Twitter universe, you know, people
suggesting that we go get, you know, a current offensive
coordinator and bring him over as our offensive coordinator. Just

(36:13):
want to remind all those people, as John said, that's
not possible, right, So if you want to go pick
up an offensive coordinator defense coordinator, you're making him the
head coach. So you better be comfortable with that because
you're you're not bringing somebody over, you know, you know,
in a lateral move like that.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
So the guy may not want to come either, Dave.
He may just say, you know what, I'm happy where
I am. And maybe the team that has him gives
him a raise and makes him associate head coach or
boost's salary. You don't know that that guy will even
talk to.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
You one hundred percent, Paul and and but you know, again,
it's going to be a very you know, because of Dart,
because of the legacy of who the giants are. You know,
the the interest is going to be very high, which
is great, But there's there's not an overwhelming group of
obvious candidates this year. There's just not Maybe you know,

(37:03):
things might open up and there's probably gonna be other guys.
There will be other people that go maybe there's someone
that shows some interest. But what I really wanted to
talk about though, and I'll just throw this out here
for your guys comments, and that is Dart with this
with this concussion. I I really think that, you know,
as much as he's been he had a great game

(37:27):
on Sunday, I think it's been lost in the midst
of everything else going on. I mean, his the fact
if you look at his EPA both in that game,
but just overall, his third down e p A is
one of the best in the league. His overall EPA is,
you know, one of the tops in the league. To
have our record with with his e p A is

(37:47):
just ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
I mean, his his EPA per drop back is sixteenth
in the NFL. Third down it's.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
Better, third down, it's even better.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yes, But again i'd be worried about the the thing
about third down though, like that stuff that sometime is
not as consistent from year to year. That can be
very volatile. So I like to look at the overall
number more than the third down one. Specifically, you know,
on the rookie.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Curve, he's doing really really well, yes, correct, but just
to put the brakes on a little bit, I mean,
like John just said, the numbers are not elite compared
to some of the other elite quarterbacks in the league.
All Right, he's doing great on the rookie curve and
the arrow's pointing up, and maybe he will one day
be one of the top five qbs in the league.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Maybe he will maybe, but.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Today he's not quite there, okay, And that's okay, And that's.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Fine, that's absolutely particularly when you when you see all
the noise going on around him. But on the concussion side,
you know, once you you know, first of all, he
really shouldn't even be preparing before he's cleared. Not sure
that that will be the case, but he really shouldn't
be when you're when you're in, when you're in that protocol.

(38:56):
I'm not sure how much they look at that or not,
but but the bottom line is, man, concussion start a
time clock. You can only meaning that once you get one,
it's a lot easier to get number two. Once you
get number two, it's a lot easier to get number three.
And for lots of different stories, they won't go into

(39:17):
all the details, but you know, Kevin Boss is a
personal friend. When he got his big concussion, which was
the famous play that he got hit in the back
of the head against the Carolina Panthers, he and his wife.
The team was on the road the following week, so
I knew he was going to be, you know, by himself,

(39:37):
not traveling with the team because he was out that game,
and he and his wife came to our house for dinner.
Now grant you, this was a week later, and we're
outside and he pulls up in his car and his
wonderful breath. One of the nicest people you ever meet.
Wife was driving the car and Kevin was in the

(39:58):
passenger seat, which tells you everything if you're a husband
and wife. My wife doesn't try, not with me, but anyway,
and he wore a baseball cap and dark sunglasses for
the whole dinner inside and outside. This was a week later. Now,
Kevin is pretty well known that, you know, his career
was cut short by concussions. He was too tall and

(40:21):
got hit very often, you know, in the head. But
once he started that clock ticking, those concussions got to
the point where the doctors basically said to him, you
know you're going to risk, you know, some severe damage
if you get another concussion.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
And David, it's serious business. No nobody is going to
minimize that. I think you and I will say this.
Anybody who's walked through these doors in this building or
quite even the old Giant Stadium building will tell you
the Giants medical staff they'd take the utmosting care of
every one of their players. Now, the concussion Protocol is

(40:59):
a league mandated thing, So the league is going to
determine when Jackson Dort is cleared whether it's a week,
two weeks, three weeks, however many it is, they're going
to be the ones who give him the green light
to now go ahead and prepare and to try to play.
So as much as I would love to tell you
that the Giants have him and you know, he's in

(41:20):
great hands with the Giants and they're going to be
able to, you know, get him healthy again, No, the
league is the one that will determine when he is healthy. Well,
the Giants will do everything they can to get him healthy,
to help him as a human being first before anything else.
But you know, having that kind of discussion right now
doesn't really impact anything because the league will decide when

(41:44):
he gets the green.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, that's a They have the system in place to
make sure these guys are protected and it's good, by
the way, that's what you're that's what you're supposed to have.
And look, I think it works. Like everyone was all
freight too. It was gonna have to to retire two
years ago. Been pretty healthy for two years. Where's the lava?
Had two concussions last year, right, I think had three

(42:07):
overall in his career. He's been okay this year.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
The Zone Jalen Phillips in college. Wouldn't did he retire?
I don't think it wasn't him.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
It wasn't for concussions though, was it. I thought it
was for his back or.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Knee he had. He had a back and neck, concussion, knee,
he had a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
But I mean, the bottom line is at the point
that these protocols are in there is to make sure
these guys were taken care of. So no one's going
to cheat the protocol and you don't want to mess
with it. No, you don't want to mess Absolutely, always
air on the side of caution.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
And by the way, can I just say one really
really good thing before we get lost in the rest
of this conversation about what's going on with the Giants.
Gunnar Chefsky had a sensational play yesterday in late second.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Quarter save the interception.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Did you wow, did you like drop your jaw at
that play? That was a great play. I saw him
afterwards and I asked him about it. I said, Gunnar,
that was an incredible pass breakup in the end zone
and he laughed.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
He goes you like that?

Speaker 2 (42:59):
I said, I thought it was incredible, But but I said,
wait a minute, now, you played some corner with the
Patriots when you came into the league. And he goes, yeah,
that's right, I did, and he goes, uh, and I
also played corner in college. I said, well, it's good
that you did, because you put those skills to good
use on that play. There's a guy who made a
play above the ex's and the o's.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
John yep, right, let's go on line to Jesse and
Long Island, Johnny mac Jesse, what's going on.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
Anyway's up? Good?

Speaker 5 (43:25):
How you doing.

Speaker 6 (43:26):
I don't usually call it in the UH in their
in season because I try not to let my emotions
get the best of me because it hasn't been a
great for the last ten years. But you know, I
kind of have to call today after yesterday, and it's
just really deflating. And I know, I see, I know
it's not officially by the Giants, but I just saw
that they fired uh technically, you know, uh so right

(43:48):
now they fired Brian Dabele. You know, I know a
lot of people seem to be happy about it. I'm
not really happy about it, because you know, the guy
can coach, you know, he he's shown that he can coach,
but maybe he's just better shooted as you know, offensive coordinator,
you know, just like someone like Roberts. He's a great
defensive head coach. But maybe he's just not a head coach.
Maybe Brian Dables just more suited for you know, an

(44:10):
offensive coordinator or a quarterbacks coach vision.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
And you know that that's okay, you know, Jesse, it's funny.
By the way, I know people say that about Salah
gets it a lot better with Robert Salas than they've
done since he's left. By the way, it's true, they've
were a lot better when he was the head coach
than what they've been doing since he left. But yes,
I understand your point. I agree, though I don't think
Brian Dabeles a bad coach. Obviously, the results have not
been good enough, and that's why I'm like this has

(44:32):
made if again the reports end it being true. But look,
it sucks. You know, you'd hope that he would have
been here to, you know, bring the quarterback along for
a long time. But again, it's a w's and l's business,
and there's been none enough w's in too many l's.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
I think. Ashide from this particular circumstance, if I may
just say to you, you go to the list of
guys who have been outstanding coordinators offensively or defensive who
did not turn out well as head coaches. And that's
a pretty dark, gone good, impressive list. There is no
shame in that whatsoever, you know. I mean, it's fine.

(45:12):
You can make a heck of a career out of
being a wonderful coordinator.

Speaker 6 (45:20):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with you, guys. You know, Unfortunately,
it's uh, you know, I had really did have high
hopes for for mind Nable, especially after that he was
he was coaching coach of.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
The playoff team, overachieved.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
It was great.

Speaker 6 (45:33):
I was hoping that was gonna be a launching point,
and especially this year because out of all the quarterbacks,
I mean even cam Ward, you know, everybody, I wanted
Jackson Darty. He was like the guy in college, you know,
you watch his tape. He just seemed like a guy
that fit New York, you know what I mean. So
it's like I was happy that Joe Shayden and Brian
David were able to get him, you know, in the
first round. So but and then now it's just kind

(45:55):
of you know, now Dart is hurt, and you know,
I know, I know, it's just a concussion, but it's
not just a concussion. And you know it's like he's
been evaluated what five times.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
Four or whatever.

Speaker 6 (46:07):
You know, it's still serious.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
You know.

Speaker 6 (46:09):
The last thing you need is any kind of like
with long term effects from you know, these concussions that
you get.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
So, I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (46:18):
I really don't know where we go from here. I
know TOFA would be technically interim. I don't know at
this point what what the outlook on the season is.
I mean, you know, hopefully Dark comes back, you know,
and he's okay, and uh, you know, kind of just
let them developed for the rest of the season. But
I mean, you know, I mean, to me, this this
is kind of a lost season unfortunately. So I don't know.

(46:38):
And again I don't know what's going to happen in
this offseason, whether they're going to make wholesale changes or
you know, you know, they're gonna you know, some minute ones.
But I guess we're going to find out.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
So thank you.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
I have a lot more that I wanted.

Speaker 6 (46:49):
I have a lot more I wanted to say, but
you know, with this happen, with this news that just
came out, you know, I'll save it for another day.
So thanks a lot of guys.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Having all right, be well, called back another day. There's
one thing to know and I and I want to
make this clear. Yes, you know darts at a number
of examinations in the tent, but remember something that's not
the same as saying he had for concussions. Correct. It
just means because of the protocol that the NFL has
in place, they're being ultra cautious. Anytime somebody sees something

(47:17):
that they say, well, could be we want to check
on it. So please don't like look at that at
the same as you look at Tua who has been
technically guy, but I think a bunch of them just
be careful.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
It's not the same thing, agreed, But I will say this,
given how many times he's been evaluated because he has
been hit in the head. After you want to get
the initial concussion, you then want to be extra careful,
give him what his play style is.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Totally totally, totally extra careful.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
All right, let's go to Louver, Virginia, Loui, Europe.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Next guy, say, look, it.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Just been't confirmed that he isn't let go. Unfortunately, I
kind of wanted him to work along with dark to
bring him all further, but I really call to uh say,
our ability to be able to be able unable to
stop people in the fourth quarter is ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
And he's got to go as well. Man.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
I don't think if Brian goes, he should just go
alone because we cannot make adjustments defensively to save our lives.
It's crazy that they get beat on the same play consistently,
over and over again. I'm sorry for Dabele. I hope
Dark's okay, but I'll set the rest off there.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Thanks guys, No, I appreciate it, and I know there
has been no confirmation yet far.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
No.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
No, we're checking emails, text messages. No, we we have.
There is no comment from the giants that that either
you or I have seen so far.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
So let's go on to Columbia Maryland. He's on next lend.
By the way, I will just say this too, it's
not the same play that kills the defense every time.
It's that and they did. They did a bunt, they
played man, they played zone, they blitzed it, bl the
did a bunch of different things on those last two
drives and just they didn't make I mean, I can
go through some of the individual plays and caught inside
on one of the Williams scrambles. Like different things went

(49:09):
wrong on different parts of those two.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
And again by the way the Spiderweb. Remember special teams
with the bad punt, the offense which failed to build
on the lead. All of these things contribute to a
collapse at the end of a game. It's often not
just one thing.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Len, what's going on?

Speaker 5 (49:28):
Well, guys. In terms of the timing of this, Wow,
I didn't see this coming today. I thought maybe he'd
even get to the end of the season, you know,
working with Dart and so forth. But Well said, it
was probably inevitable. One of the things that surprised me

(49:48):
about the timing of this is Geez, I was going
to call up and talk about the effort put forth yesterday.
I thought the guys played their hearts out. It didn't
turn out the way we wanted it, but she the
team was playing hard. I just got that feeling and
it's you know, it just didn't you know, it just
didn't go their way. And the fourth quarters are awful,

(50:11):
and why you can blame you know, the defensive coordinator,
as the previous caller was saying, And I think he's
probably going to be gone when the season is over. Geez,
Brian did have you know, responsibility for the defense too,
final proving the game plan, you know, if things weren't

(50:32):
going right during the game to you know, to make changes.
So it's probably a culmination of things. But I was
I'm surprised, and I'm sorry it didn't work out for him,
you know, at least till the end of the year.
Captain's job. As you said, I mean, it doesn't change much.
I mean it's the same thing. Put your best healthy
players out on the field and try to win the game,

(50:55):
and it'll determine what your future is.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
Mike.

Speaker 5 (50:59):
You know, we got to find out who we can
win with and who are guys who are not going
to contribute the bad Seaton last word. And I know
other people want to get on. I know I'm I'm
the original pessimist, a year away from being a year away.
I said that in January. But I thought the plan

(51:20):
was a good one. I thought it was a real
good one. You don't bring in the bridge, get a quarterback,
and so you know, I bet it's not and let's
just see if we can win from games. I think
Kafka is a good man, and listen, he was miked
up before the was it the Senior Bowl this year? Yes, yeah,

(51:42):
he was miked up before the Senior Bowl. And you
know at the start of the game, and to get
these thirty three kids, you know, already on his side
of the field. I thought he sounded, you know, just
just big time. And let me let me say one
more thicke. I know you guys have a lot to do,
and it just got escalated. But sometime when you get

(52:05):
a chance, google Freeman's postgame press conference after the Navy
win and ask yourself if you want him in your
top five nothing. Thanks for taking my call. Let's go Giants,
And just I'm not so sure if it's a happy day,
I see it as a little bit of a sad day.

(52:25):
And I'm sorry in turned out this one always is.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
But thank you, thank you appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Let me ask you a question. Yeah, he just said,
you know, he would be optimistic if Kafka is the
interim in terms of how he handles the team. If
he does, does Shay Tyranny the quarterbacks coach, become the
OC or does Mike do both?

Speaker 1 (52:51):
It's good question, and there are a couple of other
reports that I never seen a report that they're no
other changes are expected by the way, whatever that's worth,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
I mean Mike comes from the Andy Reid coaching trade.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
I mean Mike grows also someone that's had a lot
of experience. He's someone that's a little bit been in
this longer, a little bit than Shay has. Someone that
you can consider being OC too. That's another guy I
think I would throw the name in the hat, you know.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
I don't think they would officially necessarily make a title
change for an OC in an interim basis. But again,
that doesn't mean that Mike is always going to call
the play.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Well, let me ask you this. I'm trying to remember.
Maybe be probably a better memory than me. I had
kids at this point. My memory shot. When they made
spags the interim, did they name a full DC under him?

Speaker 5 (53:36):
No?

Speaker 1 (53:38):
I didn't think so either, So I just you know
that that to me is.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Kind of another question, because you know, the one thing
about Kafka, the advantage of having him be the interim
guy is that it helps Dart. But now, how much
does it help Dart if he's just coaching and not
seeing But then again, if he's seeing it's too much?

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Is she calling the place?

Speaker 2 (54:06):
This happened?

Speaker 1 (54:07):
This happened with the Bears last year. You remember they
fired Eberflus and Thomas Brown I believe, I think it
was I think that was his name, right, Thomas Brown
was a common name and I don't remember, but he
was their offensive coordinator and was doing a pretty good job.
Bring Caleb Williams along. They made him the interim head coach,
and he couldn't handle doing bull chops.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
It fell apart, which, by the.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Way, it's really hard to do.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Oh, understandable.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Correct, It's not his fault. So that's a good question.
Does kaf Get keep calling plays as the interim head coach?

Speaker 2 (54:38):
I honestly don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
I would think yes, I think probably yes, But I
don't know. I don't think answer to that, I don't.
I do know this.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Shae Tierney also does have a great relationship with Jackson. Yeah,
he does, you know, which is really which is definitely helpful. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
So see how they handled the playlong part of this,
We did not talk about that. That's that's a good question.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
I don't know what they're going to do it it
becomes the next level of questions after the first one, and.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
We don't know when we're going to hear from Mike Kafka,
so wolf to kind of wait and see.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah, we have nothing in terms of an advisory, and
it hasn't even haven't even confirmed that this is happening yet,
so out there yet. So in fact, there is no
link to the video presser that was supposed to start
a minute ago.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Well no, and obviously they have not confirmed that this
movie has been made yet, so this is all just
according to report. Still, folks, let's go to Allen, Minnesota.
He's on next. Hi, al hi, Hi, how you doing.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
What's up?

Speaker 7 (55:30):
Putting to talk about briefly? You know, I do have
some concerns about the extent of Doc's concussion. The way
da Will announced it in the postgame conference. He acted
like the guy who was hereously injured. I'm worried also
that he didn't have any interview on the immedia appears
after the game.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
He's al al al al. Whenever anybody has a concussion
during the game, they never talk after the game. It's
not allowed.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
In fact, when someone goes into concussion protocol during a game,
he doesn't get to talk to the media until he's
out of it. That's coach means during the week, Jackson
Dart is not allowed to talk to the media. Now,
he was in the locker room right changing it. He
was in the locker room changing his clothes, that's true,
but you can't talk to him. Protocol means media silence.

(56:16):
That's it. So don't read into that. Okay, all right,
thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
I appreciate the call. Just word for media. There will
be no media availability today. There will be a press
release come it out in a little bit, so we'll
see how that goes. But again, the Giants waiting to
confirm all the reports out there that they have moved
on from Brian Dables, their head coach and Paul I'll
just end with this, and a couple of callers brought

(56:45):
this up and I calls had done a great job today.
It's a sad day. Look, every time you hire a
head coach and you hope that head coach is here
as long as Tom Kaflin was here, as long as
Bill Parcells was here, and they guide you into that
next you know, era of sick excess for your franchise.
Since Tom Kaffin has left, they've tried it with Ben McAdoo,

(57:06):
Pat Shermer, Joe Judge and now Brian Dable and with
the Steve Spagnola interim kind of mixed in there too,
and again, if the reports end up being correct, that
did not work again, and it's disappointing. And some of
that has to do with the coaches, something that has
to do with the players not being good enough for

(57:27):
those particular coaches along the way. Coaches can't win without
good players. That's just the way it works in this league.
So you hope of this organization now, whether it's Mike
caf or somebody else finds their next full time head coach,
that you find the right guy and you get with
the right team and the right players to make this
insuccessful long term, because it's just been again it's not

(57:50):
a Brian dab but he's only been there for three
and a half years. What happened before that has nothing
to do with him. But you hope that you can
find a way to have some type of sustained success,
which there has not been here since Tom Koffler was
the head coach.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
No no, And I think the one thing that the
Giants if in fact this news does come become official shortly.
The one thing that hopefully, hopefully they will be able
to communicate to whoever the candidates are is that they
do believe and I still believe it myself.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
And by the way, there does technically have to be
a coaching search Beaussey of the rule and things like that.
So yes, whether or not they want my Kafka back
is the full time head coach, there has to be
a head coaching search, just just so people understand that
part of it. But my point was that Johnson, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
My point was this, I want you folks to understand
something out there, and I think John you will second this.
Maybe you won't, but I think you will. We know
the roster that was built going into training camp and
the one that they took into opening day. I still
believe this is a better roster than the Giant had
in the last three to four years.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Yeah, and I think it's a better roster than the
record with the kid as well, which is again it
is probably one of the reasons why this happened.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
They've underachieved. I'm sorry, but they've underachieved. Whatever the reasons are, they.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Have And by the way, in past years we've sat
here and said, look, guys, the roster wasn't good enough
to win games. We've had that conversation here.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
This roster is good enough to win games in the
middleweight division for sure, and should be a lot more
competitive against the bigger boys. That's correct. Okay. So that
there besides the hope that whoever they decide to talk to,
and again it could still be Mike Kafka. I'm sure
he'll be a candidate. That is the lynchpin that you're

(59:40):
going to be hoping for, is that a candidate sees
Jackson Dart, a candidate sees the fifty three man roster
and says, you know what, I agree with you. The
Giants underachieved. I think this is a better team than
what they've shown, and I think I can get them
where they got to be.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
That's what you want.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
You want those candidates to believe that this is a
good enough roster to take and mold and immediately get
them into a better position. You don't want the candidate
coming here thinking this team is in serious, serious trouble,
their darth of talent and it's a three or four

(01:00:19):
year rebuild, because that would scare a candidate off. I
would think, John, you may not agree, but I think
that would be scary. I think looking at this team,
they probably will say, all right, it's not gonna be
a three to four. You totally blow it up rebuilt.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
No, you don't think so of its The cap situation
is pretty good going forward. It's nothing. You got to
tear this thing down before you build it back up again.
The cap long term is in pretty good shape. You
have a young quarterback on a rookie contract you feel
good about. You have an abdual quarter out of a
rookie contract. On defense. You have other guys up front
that are very talented or Pro Bowl and all pro
level players, Dextor Lawrence, Brian Burns, guys like that. And yeah,
you would think the job is pretty attractive.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
You don't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
It's not going in. I hope we can find a
guy and again, we'll see what Jackson does the rest
of the year. You know, maybe attitudes change on him
in the final seven games. I don't know what that's
gonna look like. Nobody does, but I think you would
hope the job is an attractive one. They can get
a really good candidate in here. Whoever that maybe is
my caffick again, Maybe somebody else right that you can,
you know, find someone to guide this team going forward. Well, folks,

(01:01:19):
that was something. Thanks for being with us, We appreciate it.
Things happen fast in National Football League, everybody, and thanks
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