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Speaker 2 (00:23):
That's going on. Hi, everybody, Welcome to Wednesday's Big Blue
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I am John Schmelk. Happy to be back again with
Shawn O'Hara. Apparently, you know, they made a trade. They
traded back and then they're like, you know what, kind
of like when Schmelke was there, so they went back
to Schmelk.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, apparently the trade deadline doesn't exist for bb KI.
It does not like we we we have gone past
those parameters. But yeah, this is uh, this is always
a treat Seawn, John, That's that's what we're called.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Well, and I'm very happy I got you in a
week with there's not a whole lot going on, there's
not a lot to talk about.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah, boy, we're gonna really scraping the bottom of the
barrel in this one.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, we're yeah, we're reaching I think Packer's special teams
will be a big focus of today's conversation. No so, folks,
by Kafka. The reason we started a little bit late.
We appreciate your patience. My Kafka had his introductory press conference.
I went out there. It's on the back, you know,
patio in the cold. Sean decided to cower in the
studio and not fortake.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
I was not braving the elements. I'm half the man
I used to be.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Not only did I expect you to brave the elements,
I wanted you to come out sleeveless like you used
to do back in the day. Yeahs the A Linement
don't wear sleeves.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
They paid me a lot more back then, and I
was a lot dumber back then. I'm much wiser now. Yeah,
And I'll be honest, scale, I still my hands still
don't work in the cold, and I blame the NFC
change of game for that.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Like literally, if I work that day, I don't think
you asked ou able they.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Worked that day. That's fine, But I swear I have
frostbite in both my hands because if I'm outside for
fifteen minutes, even when I'm coaching my son's football team.
I'm the biggest woos. I've got gloves. I got handwarmers
because my hands get cold like that immediately.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
So you blamed green Bay for that.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, it was worth it, well, Apropole.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
The Giants are playing the Green Bay Packers this week,
and we will get to that matchup, but just the
second folks. But first of all, the news from the
press conference. Jamis Winston, we knew this morning based on
reports that he was going to be the backup. Paul
and I both kind of said we wanted that to
happen on Monday. We weren't sure if what was going to.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
But it did, and Jamis is gonna be the starter.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Jamis will be the starter this week because Daxxon Dartis
is stolen the cushion protocol, and I guess they know
from where he is in that protocol because again, in
order to get out of protocol in a week, you
really have to hit every mark relatively quickly. So we
must not be there yet, or maybe they're just taking
it easy with him and they want to make sure
they give an extra week. Whatever the case might be,
Jamis will start a quarterback this week. Sean, Let's start there.

(02:44):
The other piece of news I should give as well
is that Mike Cafka will call plays and Tim Kelly
has been named the offensive coordinator. He does have past
offensive cord in your experience, he's the Giants current tight
ends coach. So that's where we are, Sean, why don't
we start there. Your thoughts on the two pieces of
news we got from Mike keV Press.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, they'll start with Jamis. You know, I think Jamis
has earned this opportunity. And I know everybody's like, oh well, hey,
they're going to name a starter. Like I feel like
this is something that Jamis has earned throughout since he's
been here day one. Like everybody has raved about Jamis Winston,
not just the player, but what he brings to the huddle,

(03:22):
what he brings to the team. Players really gravitate towards him.
You know, he's he's an energy giver, and I think that,
you know, it's an opportunity for him to to get
a chance to play, and I mean, look, he's still
a competitor. You know, Look, he's I think he played
well in the preseason when he did get some reps,
So I think he's earned this.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Just don't go to the guy with yellow helmets and
they'll be okay.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's always you know, that's always
kind of been the concern with Jamis is he's gonna
throw a lot of touchdown throw for a lot of yards,
but he also may throw a couple of picks. And
that's one of been one of the good things about
Jackson Dart. He's taking care of the football as a rookie.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Except for that fumble last week, which caused all the issues.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
It's really been you know, he's had a couple of
fumbles the Saints game. You know that the ball slips out.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Has three picks and two fumbles in his starts, which
for the rookie is pretty good.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
That's remarkable, and I think that was you know that
that's paramount as a quarterback take care of the football.
So for Jamis, that's number one. I think, you know,
the challenge is, you know, for Russell, I'm sure he's disappointed,
but look, he had a chance, he had a chance
to start the season and then you know, he came
in when Jackson Dart went down, and you know, things
didn't go that well for him when he went back

(04:26):
in the game. So I think this is a great
opportunity for Jamis. Plus James is under content for next year,
so it makes sense. And he's already said that he
wants to be here, so I think this is this
is a good opportunity for Jamis.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
And I'll just say this very briefly on Russ Piece
handled us very well. Apparently he's been a real pro,
which is not a surprise if you know Russ that
that's the case. To me, we knew when Rush faced pressure,
especially up the middle, that he was gonna have issues.
I think what changed for me watching him once the
season is starting to remember this is why preseason in
practice is different than in game situation. Not only did

(05:00):
he struggle, he's under pressure, which he did again. I
was not a surprise. We thought that was gonna happen.
I thought, especially the last two times he was out there.
I know there were short periods, but the last two
times he played, I felt like he was feeling pressure,
even when the pocket was good and he just affected
correct and I knew when pressure was there that would happen.
But even when they had a couple steady pockets versus

(05:22):
blitzes in the last game, it was as though there
was pressure and If that's happening, it's hard for an
offense to function.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, and I think that that's been something that kind
of has played Russell his whole career was kind of
hero ball kind of and kind of getting out of
the pocket a little bit early. And we saw that
again kind of some premature you know, pressure and all
of a sudden he's running out of pocket when he
doesn't need some happy fee And you know, when your
quarterback and your eyes are going to the passer rush,
you're cooked, like you're done because you could never get

(05:50):
him on the rush and then back out to your receivers.
You just don't see the field. So you've got to
be able to feel the rush around you and keep
your eyes down the field. And that's been something that
you know, it's played Russell, I think throughout his career.
And it certainly looked magnified the last couple of times
we saw him. So, uh, this is I think exciting
time for Jamis. You know, I think the one thing

(06:10):
that is going to be different is, look, we we've
been feeling good about the offensive line play, you know
this season. I mean I think the Washington game things
did not go well. But since Andrew Thomas has come
back and been in a left tackle.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Dallas game was good too. In fairness, the game agains
Dallas and Week two offensive I did a nice job.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Well except for Hudson, Well he had the past. That
was yeah, that was that was a complete meltdown.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Overall, the protection was okay.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
As my point, right, So, I think this is now
going to become a challenge because Jackson Dart, you know,
made a lot of loose plays with his feet, a
lot of times stepping up, kind of avoiding some pressure,
moving to the right and kind of getting out of
those pressure situations and making a play. Jamis doesn't have
those same that same mobility skills. He can still navigate

(06:57):
the pocket. He's not as much of a running threat
or a scrambling threat as Jackson Dart. So I think
that's something that you know, you've got to be aware
of and you've got to find a way to protect
him from that standpoint and help him out in that.
He's more of a pocket passer than even Jackson Dart.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
And then let's get to Tim Kelly. He'll be the
offensive coordinator part of me. He was OC for the
Texans in twenty nineteen. And twenty twenty I believe that
was under Bill O'Brien. Was that braving no or yeah
Bill O'Brien in the text with twenty right? If I'm
not mistaken, I'll double check that, but I think it was.
And then he was the passing game coordinator for the
Titans in twenty twenty two and their offensive coordinator in

(07:34):
twenty twenty three, so he does have a lot of experience.
He's not gonna call the plays, but to help with
the game plans together. And what makes me happy, Sean,
this probably means you gonna keep seeing a lot of
tight ends because he was the tight ends coach. So
my guess is that you can see a heavy Titan
offense moving forward, which makes me happy to well.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
I think that's a big part of who you're playing
as well. Look, Michael Parsons is playing for the Packers.
We know Michael Parsons all too well, so you better
have tight ends in there to help chip and to
help slow him down.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
And Rashaun Gary, by the way, is not dead on
the other.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
No, Andean Garry has benefited a lot from all the
attention that Michah Parsons is getting now Rashan Gary's kind
of getting a lot more one on ones and he's
probably used to, so they've got some good bookend rushers
on both sides. I think for Tim Kelly, the challenge
for him is going to be, you can't throw the
ball fifty times in this game, so you've got to
commit to the run. You've got to stay with it,

(08:21):
even if you're struggling with it early on. You got
to be persistent with it because a lot of those
big runs, as we saw even last week against the Bears,
the Giants didn't run the ball very well in the
first half, and then the second half things started to
open up. You know, you kind of have to tenderize
the meat a little bit. You got to pound it
a little bit early to get those big runs.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Like eating of the second half, I thought they ran
downhill a little bit more. I felt it was a
little bit more side to side stuff in the first half,
then third quarter more downhill, and then they got back
to the zone stuff in the fourth quarter, which I thought.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Worked well in the fourth Yeah, and look when Russell
came in, they obviously went more tight ends package. But
those runs, the downhill runs you talk about, they brought
the two tight ends. They weren't on the ball, they
were kind of off the ball a little bit. But
that's when they started to really run the ball with
success when they had the two tight ends in there,
and then they built a lot of play action stuff
off of that. So that will be the challenge, I think.
You know, the other challenge that comes to mind when

(09:10):
I think about a new offensive coordinator is, look, just
making sure you get the play call in fast enough.
You know, like you got to have your next play
like ready to rock and roll if it's third and
two or second and two or second and seven, all right,
if it's third down, we know, if this is incomplete,
I gotta have a third down play ready to rock
or hey, you know what, I got to make sure
I have the next play already in mind so that

(09:33):
you're not having delay of games and you know that
communication between him and jamis getting the play in, making
sure that there's that's all smooth.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
And that's in the cast operation stuff. Kafka did say
that was a priority for him. Making sure that the
plays are decisive is the word that he used, and
they get in quickly and they make sure that they
get turned around so.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, and I think that's something that they're obviously working
this whole week. It's I guarantee you in practice today,
tomorrow and Friday, Kelly's going to be using the walkie talkie,
talking in the ear, making sure that he's got that down, pa.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Do you think he's talking into the headset thing? It
is to be said, he's still calling plays even though
Tim Kelly is so do.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
You think is still calling the players?

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Will call plays, but will so I think is the
one putting the call in you figure.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
So it sounds like Kafka will still be calling the
plays on the field, which is going to be tough
because you're the head coach as well.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's a big challenge so that the first time you're
head coaching and then you got to do plays too.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah. Yeah, and then also you know, look when the
defense is out on the field, he's been used to
going over and sitting with the quarterbacks and talking with
them and all right, hey here, I'm gonna start working
on the next drive, next time, gonna get the ball.
He's where we're gonna go.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
That's where I think plays a big role. Now he's
going to be doing that with Chae Tierney to get
the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Did he say is he gonna be on the field
with him? Or is he up in the booth?

Speaker 2 (10:48):
You know what? They did not ask that they did
not ask.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Because if he's up in the booth, now he's just
talking to him. But he can help from up the
movie field, then he can meet with Jamis.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
My guess is that he'll be on the field. He
was on the field as the tight ends coach, and
my guess is that ye be Kafka has been on
the field that he will be too. But I don't know.
Maybe Kafka wants him upstairs. Maybe that's where he wants
his OC. I don't have the answer to that. Yeah,
I think we're gonna talk to Tim Kelly tomorrow, so
we'll ask him that question. We'll find out.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
All right, Good, what else anything else you cleaned from?

Speaker 2 (11:13):
No? Nothing really, Just that he's excited for the opportunity,
good conversation with ownership, he decided to keep private. Wanted
to thank them for the opportunity, wanted to thank Brian
Dable for the relationship and the opportunity that he had
here from him, Just that he is confidence that the
team is big priority. The last couple of year, a
couple of days and next couple of days will be
the players to make sure they handle this change well
and make sure because everyone handles this type of thing differently. Yeah,

(11:35):
making sure everyone's ready to go. And that was kind
of the main thrust of his of his conversation, you.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Know, the personal element to this. You know, Kafka has
been with Dable since day one here with the Giants,
so you know, you can understand the mixed emotions of
you know, wow, okay, you know, find out coach Table's fired.
Now I'm excited about this opportunity, but I'm also like,
you know, this is it's tough. You know, you got
to you gotta put your big boy pants on and
pull up your boots and you got to you gotta

(12:02):
kind of grin and.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Barrett, it's still a game in six days.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, the Packers don't care, no, like they're coming. They
need to win. You know, they just gifted one away
to the Eagles. That was not I feel like everybody's
been doing all year long.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Would that was not a very well played game on money?

Speaker 3 (12:17):
No, it was awful. It was awful.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, I want to talk about that too with you
but first I want to get your take on the
whole decision to move on from Brian day. But we've
talked about it. This ship actually broke while we were
alive on the air on Monday. That was a fun show.
I had Howard on yesterday talking about it. I've kind
of given my take, which I'll give it to you briefly, Sean.
Is that look. I still think Brian Dave was a
good coach. I don't think he lost the locker room.
I think they were all still playing hard for him.

(12:40):
I think it wasn't even you know, some people have
been all, we handled Dart wrong, you running him too
much to get him hurt. I don't think that's it either.
I think it came down to the fact that the
team just lost way too many games the last two
and a half years, and the way they lost games
this year after having double digit leads in three games
in the fourth quarter on the road, in games you
could have won in the end if they If they

(13:01):
win those three games, even two of those games, Brian
Davie's still the head coach. But they didn't, and that's
why we are where we are.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, I hate anytime coaches get fired. Because I know,
I know what they are putting into it, the sacrifice
they're making. You know, they don't see their families during
the season. Like there's a lot that goes into being
a head coach, and so it always just man, I mean,
it's it's a gut punch anytime you see somebody get
fired like that. And I love Dable, Like I was

(13:30):
here when they interviewed him. I knew Dable before we
hired him. You know, he had been with the Patriots
for a while, he'd been in the league a long time,
So I knew Dabele and I liked him before he
got here, And after getting to know him and just
kind of working with him and spending time with them,
I love Dave's and I think a lot of people
in the building feel the same way. So it's always
tough when you know there's a guy that everybody likes

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and everybody respects, and I think he's a damn good coach.
And this did not work out for a meal of reasons.
And this was not because coach Dable was not a
good coach. And it wasn't because he went for it
on fourth down too many times or not enough or
like this was the most unbelievable string of bad breaks
that I've seen. It was like Roy Munson like.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Now, some were self inflicted bad breaks.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
In fairness, there were some, definitely, but Blake Nighbors going down,
Cam scadb was going down, you know last year, Graham
Gunaut going down on an opening kickoff, Andrew Thomas going
down on a field goal block, like the stuff that
that just kind of snowballed. And this season, you know,
look last year they won three games last year, so
last year was was tough. I mean last year, towards

(14:37):
the end of the year, there were a lot of
people that thought that he was gonna get fired last year.
So you know, I give credit to the Giants for saying,
you know what, we're gonna We think that he's a
good coach. I think the one big thing that you
pointed out to was this locker room has never been
fractured under table, Like there's never been a question about
he's lost the team or you know, these guys are
blaming each other or you know they're not listening to him.

(14:57):
That that has not been that has not been an
issue whatsoever. Nobody's even brought that up. So I think
that's you know that that says a lot about Dable
on what the players think of him as a coach.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
But and even as non players, Sean, I know, we
could speak to this. This the environment that he had
in the building, it's probably the best it's been since
I've been here. Yeah, just camaraderie. Everyone friendly with each other,
We're all into this together as a team. He really
did bring everyone together in the building to try to
get this thinct on.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
So yeah, and I just want to play well respected.
And you know, look this preseason, I mean this was
one of the best training camps that we've seen here
collectively in a long time. I Mean there was so
much positivity, you know, and I think the locker room,
you know, I think they're going to go out and
play hard for him because they feel like they let
him down. Yeah, you know you mentioned it these couple
of these games, like we could easily have five wins

(15:47):
right now, and you can get out of four.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
You get a little bound sometimes when you go to
the interim coach for that first game. It happens.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
It happens a lot. I mean, I'm sure there's a
stat out there about you know, you never want to
play a team that week after they fire a head coach,
because like they're coming like you're getting a different version
of But didn't.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
The happen to the Giants? Didn't they get the Raiders
the game after that? They hired Antonio Pierces. The Raiders
came in here.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
And became I feel like when Jeff Saturday took over
for the Colts to say, yeah, correct, absolutely they won
that. That was win that first game. So that's a good
thing for the Giants fans, unless those of you are
over there saying tank for another pay.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
But as you think, Saturday have gotten older, by the way,
you don't look as much alike as you used to.
You guys used to be like.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Almost we were we were yeah we were twins, yes, but.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
You're not really anymore. As you guys gotten older, you've
kind of deviated a little bit.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Yeah, yeah, there's a little bit of a line of demarcation. Now.
The thing that's crazy is like the Giants, I mean,
they clabbered the Eagles on Thursday Night football, defending Super
Bowl champs, and now we're watching the Eagles. You know, Look,
they're they want the top teams in the NFC. They're
squeaking out wins left and right.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Maybe the number one. See if the playoffs started today.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
We had the Devil Broncos, like they were down on
the mat and then they rose up like the undertaker.
They're the number one team in AC right now. You know,
Like you look at some of the best teams in
the league right now, Like we had them up against
the Roads, should have bet Dallas and you know we
two that that was a debacle. But like so you
look at this team, You're like, Okay, there's talent on
this team and the fact that they.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Did the Chargers won those three.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Charge look at Denver's eight and two, like and Philly
seventy two. You know, like when you think about it,
it's like, how like it's hard to wrap your head
around how can we be that good against those teams
in those situations? And then just you know, within four
minutes to go in the game, all hell breaks.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
The Giants right now sean their strength of victory, so
that's the winning percentage of the teams that they've beaten
is seven thirty seven, which means the average record they've
won seventy four percent of their games, the next highest.
And I didn't look at this I'm trying to do
it faster than The next highest in the National Football
League is not over fifty five, which is amazing when

(17:58):
you think about that. How the next highest is five
to eleven, which I believe is the Pittsburgh Steelers. As
I go through five Eagles, there are five to one six.
That's the next highest number in terms of quality of
victories this year in the National Football League. Say there's
only two of them, but still.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
I've never seen a team that can just flip the
script in such a short amount of time. You know,
like they held the Bears to ten points. The Bears
had put up what eighty points in the previous two
games combine, and then the fourth quarter show and then
you go into the fourth quarter and then all of
a sudden, it's like, you know, the five minutes to
go in the game, like just all hell breaks loose.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
And I said this with Howard yesterday. The frustrating thing
for me is that Sean, you know, those last two years,
they've been a lot of games that were non competitive,
and you walked into the building and you knew they
were not going to win, and they did not have
a chance to win unless weird things happened. You never
got that sense this year they were in most of
these games. The Eagles, the second Eagles game and the
Niners game were two games that they weren't really in.
It was three score games in the fourth quarter, but

(18:55):
you just couldn't get over the top and the close ones.
And look heading into this year, Sean I said the
ball there are two things this team needs to do
with their tough schedule to win games. They need to
win close games. Nope, I haven't done that. And they
need to win the turnover battle. Most weeks they're like
negative five. Yeah, so when you and by the way,
that's because you're not getting taways, not because you're not
protecting the balls, because you're not getting taways.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Look, they would have played the Bears last week. The
Bears led the league in takeaways, right, and they had
one fumble on that one play that Dark got hurt on.
You know, he took care of the football they didn' fumble.
So yeah, I mean that's frustrating. It is frustrating. And
just to put a you know, put a ribbon or
tie a bow on the stable thing. I think he
handled himself with class all the way throughout this whole thing.

(19:37):
I don't know what the conversations were with him in ownership,
but you know everybody was talking about, well, the defense,
the defensive defense. I give him credit because it probably
the easy thing would have been after the Denver game
would have been to fire somebody, you know, and that
would have been his call. And I don't think anybody
would have blamed him if he had taken somebody out.
Would that have bought him another week or two? Maybe?

(19:58):
I don't know, but I don't think that was the
way he was gonna roll. And it was like, hey, look,
it's if anybody's gonna take take a bullet, it's me.
And I think, you know, I think Dable can we
walked out of here with his with his chin up.
I hope you hope he feels that way. I think
he represented the Giants well throughout his tenure and and
everybody in this bull is still love them. It's tough
to see and it's a tough business. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Bye. By the way, we're gonna go one forty five today, folks.
Since we started later, cav Goalzo said, as of right now,
there's no other changes on the coaching staff, so that's
where we are. That's where we're gonna head real quick, Sean.
Before we get to the calls, I do want to
say something about the Green Bay Packers, just because this
will be the last time I'm on before the game.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Their defense is awesome, Yeah, like it's really good. They
fly the third down defense is great. They don't allow
any passes over the top. They allow the fewest passes
of twenty plus yards in the National Football League. They
don't put it a lot when they do their extremely
effective at it. They stop the run well. They have
Michael Parsons with six and a half sacks, for Shan
Gary with seven and a half sacks on the edge.

(20:54):
They're just a really, really good football team. Their defense
is tremendous. I'm really mad. I wanted to see how
Jackson Dart did against this type of defense. Just look,
the Bear's defense is bad. The week before, the Notiners
defense is really banged up. Eagles defense is good, but
this would have been I think probably the toughest test
he might have faced all year against the Packers defense.

(21:15):
So disappointed we're not seeing that their defense is awesome.
Their offense, though, seems a little lost on I gotta
be honest with you, Like Matt Lafleur, he's not. They
kind of move the ball, but they don't get a
lot of explosive plays. They've lost Tucker Kraft, Matthew Golden,
their first round wide receiver has been out. Romeo Dubbs
got hurt last week starting center. He's gonna be out.

(21:36):
So they run the ball well with Josh Jacobs. They
seem to consistently get four or five yards on every play,
but they're missing explosives and they're just not consistent to
me throwing the ball down the field. They throw a
lot of balls at the line and scrimmage, a lot
of screens and stuff like that. Jordan Love has been
out of sorts. He hasn't played that well in the
last two weeks. His overall numbers are very good. So
I think this is an opportunity for this to be

(21:57):
a low scoring type of game if the Giants offense
don't turn the ball over, because that's what the Packers
is going to try to do to you because they're
that good. So Jamis take care of the ball. I
don't know how many points you're gonna score, but this
Packer offensive struggled, so I think this giant defense should
have a chance here to slow this Packer offense down
right now, the Packers sean they've given up an average
of thirteen points a game in their three losses this year.

(22:17):
It's like the lowest number since the two thousand Ravens. Yeah,
so it's been their offense that hasn't held up their
side of the bargain.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
No, they scored twenty points in the last two weeks
combined offensively, So I mean, if you hold look, they
held the Carolina Panthers a sixteen points, they held the
Eagles to ten points, you should win those games. So
to your point, it's been very odd to watch this
offense because I think that's one of the things that
Matt Lafleur has always done a great job of. He's
always had a really good functional offense. They've always been
very efficient. Kind of remind you of the forty nine ers.

(22:45):
He's of that same tree Kyle Shanahan. A lot of
outside zone, play action stuff, a lot of quick throws,
easy completions, try to get yards after kicks.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Play actions to try to get chunk plays down the
field off the playoffs, and a lot.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Of cross Yeah, a lot of crossing routes, a lot
of zone packing concepts, move the pocket plays. Josh Jacobs.
I think he's the bell cow and that's the key
right now. Like for the Giants, they've been they've struggled
to stop the run. You know, look, if you're Matt
in the floor, you're gonna trying to pound the rock. Plus,
as we mentioned, they've had a ton of injuries. Elton
Jenkins just went down. Sean Ryan filled in for him

(23:18):
at center. But this offensive line has struggled. You know,
Rashid Walker their left tackle, he's given up three sacks
this season. They give him a ton of help. So
that to me is the matchup to watch. Brian Burns
versus their left tackle, Rashid Wallace or Rashid Walker. They
chip a ton with their tight ends. They give him
a ton of help. Aaron Banks is their left guard.
I mentioned Sean Ryan's filling in the center. Jordan Morgan

(23:41):
at right guard. You know, he's struggled a little bit.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
First round pick, but he's had issues.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah, he's he's struggled with change direction, he's he's had
a couple of sacks, a couple of penalties. Zach tom
As their right tackles. Actually, he's not giving up a
sack this season's play. He's been their their solid player.
He's been their best offensive lineman. I'll be curious to see,
you know how how much they just committed the run
early on. Romeo Dobbs is their lea, their go to guy.

(24:07):
He's been their leading receiver. Jordan Love. Look, the last
time we saw him here in Medlife, wasn't that the
Monday night football game Tommy DeVito took them down and
they went on to make.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
The playoffs, which, by the way, Jordan Love was smoking
hot heading into that game. Yeah, he was playing great
football and he was terrible in that game against the Giants.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Yeah, so maybe you know he doesn't play. We're we're
okay with him not playing well met Life. Maybe it's
the wind. I don't know. I don't know what it is, but.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
The weather's supposed to be a little bit rough on.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
So I think to your point, I think this Giants defense,
this is a great get right game for them.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
You hit it though, stop.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah, they got to stop the run.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Gotta stop the run. Gotta stop the run, Gotta stop
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(25:05):
our listeners and viewers, Let's go to Julian and Florida.
He will lead us off today. Julian, what's going on?

Speaker 4 (25:13):
Schmelcohara? How you guys doing today? But Wednesday doing it?
So to some thoughts here. You know, a lot of feelings,
a lot of feelings this season, a lot of ups
and downs. Is a hell of a roller coaster ride.
Just just having rookie start doing well and then we're
winning some games Thursday Night Football being the Eagles, and

(25:34):
then all of a sudden fast forward a couple weeks
later our head coach game fired. But you know it's
just you know, you're watching me ESPN, You're watching all
this stuff, and I just as a lifelong Giants fan,
I got some opinions here. I I appreciate you John
asking what Sean o'harafelt. And I appreciate your opinion too
on Dable, because that was going to be my main
question to you. Sean, is you know, as an ex player,

(25:56):
like if you can kind of describe what it is
to feel like to be in the locker room and
you're losing all the time, but you love your head coach.
But I will say.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
This, Sean didn't lose a lot when he was a
pro Jillian, So I'm not sure why. I guess he
would do with the Browns, but not when you were here.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
Yeah, say that again.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
I'm sorry, No, I said, Juliet, Sean didn't lose a
lot when he was here with the Giants. He did
with the Browns. Yeah, true, he might have.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
Sewans got a big Sean got a hardware to prove that.
That's that's for damn sure.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
But you kind of.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
Answered that already, Sean. And I will say this about Dabel.
You know, we went from Tom Coughlin to McAdoo, to Pat.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Shermer to.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Joe Judge and here we are. Here's the thing I'll
say about Dayball. He was given three and a half seasons, Okay,
the other guys they had two seasons. Maybe even less
and just a lot more reasons to fire them. Like
just we were all a little frustrated there. Dave All
had had enough time. I think John Marra like had
expressed that he wants to see this thing play out.

(26:54):
He was a coach of the Year and he did
great that first year. We were all living been chasing
that high ever since from twenty twenty two. But it's
just the results are the results, right, And sure it's
very frustrating to know that there was four games we
were supposed to win this year. I mean literally, you
go to the bathroom for ten minutes or five minutes
or whatever, go upstairs, get a beer, come back down
and see the TV, and we're losing. I mean, like

(27:15):
that's just the reality of it, right. But I just
want to say that he was given a fair shot.
He was given three and a half seasons, almost four.
So the results of the results, and that's what's going
to happen when your results are that And you know what,
I'm sure Mara is just as frustrated as we are
seeing us lose all the time, all these seasons, all

(27:36):
this hype up. I mean we're already talking about the
draft and this happens all the time, every season for
the past I don't know how many seasons. You know,
it must be frustrating for you guys as radio guys.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
We're not even Decemmary.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Yet and we're already talking about draft picks and we're
talking about head coaches. That could be a possibility.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
But I don't want to ramble on too much.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
I'm going to leave some things off the air for
you guys. I know, I'm sure you have a lot
of callers. One thing I want to ask is there's
a whole rumor going around about Jackson Dart's tooth being
knocked out. I don't know if you guys have any
insight on that, if that's true, if it's just having stance.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
I'm best friends with Jackson Dart's dentist. Not I'm just kidding.
I have no idea. I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
You know, there's like a video going around like his
tooth going on Twitter. But with AI these days, who knows.
I mean, I I live here in Miami and I
can read, and I can assure you that the whole
Mike McDaniel pulling up the elbow room thing was true.
Not AIH did that really happen.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
I appreciate the.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Call on Julian. You know what's interesting is so I
did the postgame show and I'm watching the game with Matteline,
and I'm like, did you have this tooth? I'm like,
did he did he get a tooth knocked out? I
saw the same thing. The camera showed him when he
got up and it looked like there was a tooth missing.
So but then all of a sudden when they pinned
back to it, like I don't know if it was

(28:51):
maybe his mouthpiece, maybe there was like a reflection or something.
But there was one point in that situation after it
was the play where he got his helmet knocked off
and the helmet coming off and then he kind of
went to the ground and he got hit and it
looked like maybe he had his two dunked out, So
what would have.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
What would have hit him in the in the fad
in them in the mouth though?

Speaker 3 (29:07):
And not this too that the other player's helmet.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
So God got hit, he got into his face.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
You remember when Eli got hit? Yeah, just game. So
somebody hit him and his helmet came up like that,
and then the other guy hit him like that.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Oh, on that play it was that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
So you know while everybody says, oh, he got concussed
on that fumble, Like if you were to tell me
he got concussed, I would have thought would on that play. Well,
by the way, when he got drilled and the helmet
fell off.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
This also cumulative, right, yeah, like little.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
That set it up. Yeah, I appreciate what. I appreciate
what you Julie was saying about Daviell. And just to
answer your question about that, it sucks like it sucks
when a play everybody feels like they let Dabele down.
The player Joe Shane, Joe Shane feels like he let
him down, like he brought him here. They came here
together to bring championships and they failed and that sucks.
And it sucks when you see, you know, when Shane

(29:57):
has to come in there and see his his friend
and the head coach that he was a lot in
lockstup with just get dismissed and have to clean out
his locker like it for everybody, that's a tough day.
It's tough for everybody to watch. So you know, players
feel it, the coaches feel it. Everybody feels like they
let Dable down because he's a damn good coach. Look,
he's got four super Bowl rings, he's got a national

(30:17):
championship ringing from college. Like, he's a good coach. And
I think everybody kind of feels the same way, like, man,
you know what, we let him down. We didn't deliver
on the wins. It's a production business. He gets it,
he understands it. He's been around long enough and he
knows and to your point, like he got a fair
shot at it, you know, like you can't say that

(30:37):
he didn't get enough time.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, we've had people calling up as asking about this
all year, and Paul and I have never been like, oh,
you got to give more time. You're in the fourth year.
I mean this is when things had to turn around,
if they're going to turn around. So yeah, I mean
it's stakes.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
And now here we are it is. I like that
he was thinking of us too, you know, like we've
been talking before the seas starts. We're like, man, we
just want meaningful games around Thanksgiving? Right, That's like, is.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
That too much to ask for this season?

Speaker 3 (31:02):
I get it. If we don't make the playoffs, Okay, yeah,
can we can we not be trick or treating, knowing
that you know already talking about the draft picks, you know,
I mean it's making us drink, you know, like that's
that's really the issue.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
And Sean doesn't need a reason for that.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
No, No, I only drink. I only drink on days
at end.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
And why uh don't the offended if people are after
I'm sorry, I don't. We're talking about stereotype, of course,
exactly right. Yeah, look I'm with you. I think, Julian,
everything you said was fair. All right, let's go do
Alex and Syracuse.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
He's up next.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Hey, Alex, how are you?

Speaker 7 (31:38):
Hey, guys, how are we doing?

Speaker 2 (31:39):
We're good?

Speaker 7 (31:41):
Hey, I just really quick.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
I haven't had a chance.

Speaker 7 (31:42):
I don't think to talk to you on are yet Sean.
Uh lifelong Giants family, Julian, I just wanted to thank
you for all the very happy sundays you provided my dad, myself,
my whole family much much appreciated. Also met you one
time many years ago at training camp, signed a football
for me. You couldn't have been kinder. I've never forgot it, So.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
Thank you, Thank you. Problem.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
I appreciate Alex, appreciate all your support. Ban keep the
faith all right.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
He's like a big teddy bear.

Speaker 7 (32:04):
Hey, well that's actually that's actually yeah, that's actually kind
of what I'm calling. I want to echo a lot
of what you guys are saying. I want to talk
about the defense. In a second, I have an idea
that I want to run by you, but real quick,
I just I want to talk about I've probably been
one of the biggest I mean, I was like the
last Daniel Jones supporter. Probably I might be the last
Brian Davil supporter.

Speaker 5 (32:22):
It seems like I might be.

Speaker 7 (32:23):
One of the last Shane supporters at this point. Coming
into this season, I had, I think, realistic expectations. I
wanted some meaningful football in November, and honestly, my whole
thing was I wanted to play well enough that this
regime got to keep their jobs because I remember the
last ten years, which it seems like a lot of
fans don't, it's been a lot worse than this. Like
you guys were just there is football that was hard

(32:43):
to watch. This is we aren't winning, and that thinks,
but like this football is so much more exciting to watch,
and so I really think we're moving in the right direction.
And I really wanted to not blow this whole thing up,
and so I'm sad to see Dabel go.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
I get it.

Speaker 7 (32:55):
I'm not saying it was the wrong goal. I get
it where it is where we are, But I really
hope that the whole thing doesn't implode because I really
don't want to go back to square. It just it
feels like we are slowly probably but heading in the
right direction.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
And so yeah, I agree with that generally, Alex. I
think you're right about that.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
To that point.

Speaker 7 (33:12):
Yeah, there's a lot of people talking about Joe Shane
right now, right, and I'm I'm not gonna get I'll
call back later and with my full defense of Johanne.
But there's one name that I that keeps getting brought
up and sort of like the taking down of Joe Shane.
And it actually leads me to a point about the defense,
which is everybody wants to talk about Deontay Banks, right,
He's one of the examples Neil High at Deontay Banks
and all these misses quote unquote right now, here's what

(33:34):
I want to say about d'antay Banks. You gotta remember
Deontay Banks came in when Martin Dale was still here,
that was Martindale's guy when we were running a very
different scheme, and I actually remember I went back John,
there was an episode when you were doing draft coverage,
you know, back before that draft, where you you said
spoke very highly about Danty Banks, like everyone was at
the time, but you said, he's a really great press

(33:55):
man corner and he does seem to have some more
trouble when he's playing more off ball and zone, and
that's going to be the thing. But when it was Wink,
it seemed like, well that makes perfect sense. Now you've
got a guy like Shane Boene to come in. And
so what I will say is this, I'm not gonna
kill bone like everyone does.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
Don't get me wrong, Like I'm not.

Speaker 7 (34:11):
Here to defend the guys. But but what I will
say is this is I do think the biggest problem
this year is that the defense has good players. They're
just being utilized incorrect. But real fast, I don't want
to run by you.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah, real quick. One second, Just just so you know, though,
Bowen runs man defense at the second highest rate in.

Speaker 7 (34:29):
That Yeah, well, I mean that's fair. Whatever it is.
It just seems like when I watch the All twenty
two after the games like it doesn't feel maybe we're
playing man, but it doesn't feel like we're playing like
aggressive up tis like there's a lot of cushion, it
feels like, and they don't let them at least that's
what I feel like.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
You know what, there isn't as much There isn't as
much press man as there was with wink Hear. That's true.
I agree with that. That's yeah.

Speaker 7 (34:53):
And especially towards end of the game when we have
those leads, it feels like we really get conservative and
back off and we let people kind of just drive
down with the hopes of were going to stop them
in the red zone. And then of course we haven't
been very successful with that. So sore. But here's here's
what I'd like to see moving I mean, probably not
this year, but moving forward. I called for this last
year in our hundred year anniversary. I would love more
than anything to see us get back more into a

(35:14):
three to four base defense with a lot more blitz pressuring,
because I think that in the modern NFL, if you'll
give any quarterback more than three seconds and any receiver
more than three seconds, they're gonna get open and they're
gonna make that play. So like you have to and yeah,
would we love the Eagles thing of four guys are
able to bring pressure every time? Sure, do we have
the guys that we think could do that, and yeah,

(35:36):
but if it's not happening, I think you've got to
be bringing in other people. And I also think that Burns,
Thibodeau and probably Carter are going to be better on
the edge and attacking from a standing position. So I
would love to see us. And I also think even
for like the run fits, I think we might have
more success with the way that the defense is currently
built by going into more of a three four And

(35:56):
I really love to see more disguises and I'll just
a lot more heavy blitz packages and some more press
man coverage. And I think that even with the guys
we have now, you might see a.

Speaker 5 (36:05):
More immediate success.

Speaker 7 (36:07):
Just a theory, but that's personally what I would love
to see. I'm curious to get both of your takes
on that idea.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
No, thank you, that was a great call, very informed.
Appreciate it. I'll let me kind of do with two
things quick seng and then you could take it. I
sorted it at the end of that game last week.
The Giants played man on the last two drives I
think three times on two of them the Bears doing
complete passes. But on those two incomplete passes, I don't
think no Bears receivers had run past Giants defensive backs

(36:33):
and Kayleb Williams just overthrew them.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Well a lot of drops.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, it was two of the plays that they had
the drops on where you would have had thirty or
thirty five yard chunk plays if the Bears would have
done what they were supposed to do. So that's why
you don't play man in a lot of those spots,
because you don't want to give up the plays over
the top, especially when you've a banged up secondary. So
that's that's one. I have trouble blaming deanthy Banks issues
on anyone but the Banks at this point. He's had

(36:58):
different defensive backs, coaches and all that stuff. It is
what it is, and I loved them in the draft,
so I'll take the l on that happily. The other
thing you talked about was playing three four more. The
Giants pace defense is three four, yeah, and they had
not stopped the run well when they've been in three
four either with the two stand up guys on the edge. Yeah,
and those are my two takes.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
I thought the same thing when he started talking about
three four. I'm like, it's Thibodeau and Burns standing up
on both sides, like they're the same on the will
with the three dexter. And so, you know, honestly, like
defenses have changed now. It used to be like you
were a four to three defense or you were a
three four. Now everybody's like a hybrid. Well, he's three
four on first or second down, and then you go

(37:35):
to a fourth.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Three Nicol is a four man front.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, so it's you know, I think the three fourth
thing they're already doing that. The tough thing with the
blitz heavy packages is now you're giving it, giving up
the big play. Like as an offensive player, I loved
it when they brought up blitz because we knew what
it was coming. If we picked it up, we were
going it was a home run ball, like we were
going deep. So you've got to be careful with the

(37:59):
blitz heavy pasckage is because now you are putting your
corners on an island. Now you are making them susceptible.
And if you're bringing a blitz a full on blitz,
you're bringing one of your safeties down in the box
to cover up for those linebackers that are blitzing. So
now you have single high safety and man outside. Wink
Martindelle was big on that. He was big on the
blitz packages and the blitzer stuff, but it put a

(38:19):
lot of stress on the corners. I think you've got
to pick and choose your times win the blitz.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Especially he got a blitz. Especially what quarterback they're blitzing too.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Yeah, yeah, that also changes week to week. I think,
you know, not having Paulson a debo has been a
big blow to this defense when him and Javon Hollm
were out, you know, and Deebo is our press corner,
like he's our best press corner. That's what he does,
that's his style, and not having him in the lineup
has definitely changed the way we do things defensively. The
Taybanks conversation, you know, I think everybody's disappointed with his

(38:51):
progression in this year. Like his rookie year, he played
a ton of press that was like, man, this kid's physical.
He was a physical corner. He came up with stuck people.
You know, the issue I have with Hey Banks this
year is he can't tackle anybody. And I don't know
if it's a want to thing. You know, Brian Robinson
ran through him in that four nine ers game on
that big long touchdown run. DA he wanted no part
of that. I've seen him not stick his head in there.

(39:14):
He kind of comes in there with alligator arms. And
you know that to me is just as alarming as Look,
you play man coverage, you're gonna get beat in the
NFL because you can't make contact. You can't like this.
The NFL is designed for receivers to be able to
score touchdowns on man coverage, and you know that's a
tough position to play week in and week out, given
some of these receivers, given some of the rules. So

(39:34):
I don't fault Deontay Banks for all of that, but
I do think there's been aside from the tackling itself,
he has gotten out of position in the run game
as well. There's been multiple times where he's the force
defender and he's supposed to attack the outside and not
let anything get in outside of him and force it
back to your help, and he has not done that,
and they've resulted in big plays. So there are some

(39:55):
other things that I think that Deontay Banks can get
better at. But to your point, that's not a coaching shoot.
That's a player execution issue, and he's got to get
better at that. But the scheme standpoint of it, you know, look,
I think that's you know, the Giants that they they
do run a hybrid three four, you know, I think
that they could get a little more exotic on third down,

(40:16):
Like I would like to see Adual Carter moving around more,
like I would like to see Brian Burns moving around
a little bit more. Not Brian Burns dropping in coverage
like we saw against Chicago couple of times. Like Brian
Burns should never be dropping in coverage. Well, I think
he should be rushing every single play.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
That is them trying to be exotic though, right, trying
to run his own blitz where they think Burns are
stun and he fakes and he drops out.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Fun don't drop Burns. They came out one side and
have him slant, have him stunned by in no, in
no world should Brian Burns be running backwards on third down.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
And I will say this too, A lot of fans
have asked for more blitzes. As well. And my answer
to that is this, Yeah, if you're going to spend
a bunch of resources on really good pass rushers, I
should not have to blitz to help them get home.
You have Dexter, Lawrence, Abduall, Carter, Brian Burns, who has
done his job. By the way, this is not on
Burns and Keveon Thibodeaux. All right, do you have any

(41:08):
sacks combined Dexter, Lawrence, Abdull, Carter, and Caveon Thibodau half.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
I think dex has got one, Abdul's got a half,
one and a half half. I believe Thibodeau's got what
four two and a half two and a half. Yeah,
not a lot of production coming from that group.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
You gotta get home with four, that's what you want.
You want to be able to rush with four. And look,
the giants weakness is they're back end, right. You want
to help those guys. Yeah, you gotta have more guys
in coverage, and those guys up front have to win more.
They just have to win more. Now, I think the
secondary seoan can do a better job. But I think
this is where I think it was. Alex had a point.

(41:43):
Maybe press up a little bit more so you make
the quarterback hold it so there's not an easy route
or delivery, so you get the ball out quickly. Yeah,
if you want to do more of that, I'm fine
with that. I have no beef. But in the end,
your best players are the guys you have up front.
They have to do a better job, especially Sean. They've

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had two score leads in the fourth quarter. That's when
your pass was just supposed to eat. You don't have
to worry about the run. All you worry about is
the pass, and they have not been able to come.
I don't mean to get upset, but it's frustrated because
we all thought how they were gonna be so good
this year, and they've had opportunities to close games out
and they have not been able to do it.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
You know what's frustrating is watching them beat the off
of the lineman and then they get to the quarterback
and they don't bring them down.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
That happened against Caleb Williams. I count the thing nine
or ten times in that game.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
I wonder if Next Gen Stats keeps track of miss
sacks because we were probably we're top five in that
as well. And then Burns had one too. Burns had
him right in his grasp, and you know he should
have add another sack. That That's that I feel like
has happened weekly that we you know, we had a
chance for a sack and we let them get away. Yeah,

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it's frustrating itself. And look, they have talented guys, no
question about it. They just got to get it done.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
I have to get it done, all right. Back to
the phones, two one nine? Hi Wilson, how are you, buddy, Johnny?

Speaker 6 (43:04):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (43:05):
What's going on are you?

Speaker 8 (43:06):
John You know you are a great giant. You're you're
a great giant. But with all due respect, this guy
to leave the building with his head high. I mean,
he destroyed this franchise. He destroyed the fandom of ninety
percent of Giants fans. So I'm just gonna leave it
at that.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
But he Wilson, there are players on the field and
a lot of other.

Speaker 8 (43:26):
People we're gonna agree to. We're gonna agree to you to.

Speaker 6 (43:29):
Do that's fine, Johnny.

Speaker 8 (43:30):
What do you mean by Johnny? Listen? I told you
this is gonna happen last year, and it happened. I'm happy.

Speaker 6 (43:36):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 8 (43:37):
I'm not happy. And you know I said this to
you a million times. He was never personal.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
I know that. I know that.

Speaker 8 (43:43):
Remember I said he could be a great guy. I'm
sure he's a great father, a great friend, but it
was in the context of football.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Look, Wilson, in the end, you have to win games,
and they have not won enough.

Speaker 8 (43:54):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. Well, listen, Johny, this one thing. I'm
gonna put mister man on the side because he's a
man of high integrity.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
You know that.

Speaker 8 (44:01):
I said that a million times, and he's dealing with
a lot more important things than football, football or something
that football or something that I get upset on Sundays
and I call you today because I'm upset. But it's
not real life. You know, life goes on.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
But I like to win on Sundays.

Speaker 8 (44:15):
There's one thing that I want to explain something to me.
Somebody in the front of us have to have happy brains.
How in the world are they even contemplating the fact
of bringing Joe Shane back, not only bringing him back
when he's playing the last year of his contract, actually
saying that he's going to help get the new head coach?
Are there other than mine? Do they like problems? Do

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they like compounding problems? Do they like to say, you know,
let's just do everything backwards? I mean, are they crazy? Johnny?
There's only two Listen, there's only two names that I
want to hear as a Giants coaching and maybe a
third as a backup. You call next Davin and you
tell Nick come over here. What do you want?

Speaker 6 (44:55):
You like the quarterback? No?

Speaker 5 (44:56):
I don't like him.

Speaker 8 (44:57):
He gets hurled them Gune.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
You like that on?

Speaker 5 (45:00):
No, he's over it gone.

Speaker 6 (45:01):
You like this guy?

Speaker 8 (45:01):
Stage, you like this guy? Go, that's it? Junny is
over no more.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
One.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Who's your second guy? Who's your second guy? Wilson?

Speaker 8 (45:10):
Is what?

Speaker 6 (45:10):
You gotta go? Bill? You gotta go Bill, no one.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
It's gonna be crazy.

Speaker 8 (45:15):
And now if you think if Bill loose the thing,
I'm gonna.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
Call and say you gotta fire him.

Speaker 8 (45:20):
No, no, Jenny, we cannot.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
And and then and then my.

Speaker 8 (45:25):
Third, my dirt stuck, my third, my third, my dogs
gott an upset.

Speaker 6 (45:29):
I mean you see, yeah, yeah, he's.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Even even he thinks you're crazy, Like what are you
talking about? Through that door?

Speaker 8 (45:37):
And the last one, Jenny, if if Bill says no
and Nick says no, it is Mike not Carthy. That's it.
No more offensive coordinators, no more defensive coordinators, no more
first Junny, we can't do this anymore.

Speaker 5 (45:50):
Wils gotta be somebody.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
With You appreciate the call. So Wilson wants somebody, and look,
this is a putting the names aside. You can comment
on the want and you know who. I don't know
what Saban wants to do. The Belichick thing.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
I'm with you, Savans done.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
I agree with you on things. There is a group
of fans and I understand the argument for it. I'm
not disagreeing with them that say, look, we want a
guy to come in here that has already proven that
he can win at a high level and consistently in
the National Football League, because you know what you're getting.
And I understand the argument. It's just hard to find

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that guy because most of those guys currently have chops. Yeah,
what do you think, McCarthy, That was the third guy
that he mentioned.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Look, I think Belichick and Saban that's not happening. But
this is one of the most important hires in a
long time for the Giants that they are going to
make sure they get this right. And I think Joe
Shane is a big part of that. But the reason
why you don't fire Joe Shane is because now you

(46:53):
have to go out and get another general manager. So
you can't hire a coach until you hire another general manager. Well,
there's restrictions on all this stuff. So you know, now,
because the Giants are in the head coaching market, they
can get a head start on some other teams that
maybe wait till January to fire their coach or make
a decision.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Now you can't talk an interview people yet, but you
can certainly at least get your list again.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
You could start figuring it out. You could talk to
people that aren't coaching in the NFL. Right, that's right,
you can, so you can get a head start on
that aspect of it. So that is why you you
would keep that number two. Look, Joe Shane, you know
you can go through I mean, that's a whole other conversation.
You can go through all of the players that are
on this team right now that Joe Shane had brought
to the team, and which is why you know we

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were talking before about this is a talented team. The
injuries have really detracted from a lot of that talent.
But I think from a coaching standpoint. You know, it's
not just the one guy that's coming in. Who's your staff?
Who are you bringing with you? So you want Nick
Saban to come here and be the head coach, who's
he bringing with him? Right? One of the biggest parts

(47:54):
of the head coaching interview is not just you coming
in there and selling yourself and saying, look, I'm the
right guy for this job. It's who's your offensive coordinator,
who's your defensive coordinator? Who is the staff? Who are
you bringing with you? A specially that is just as
important as that as the head coach.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Sorry for jumping on you. If you're not hiring a
play calling head coach, the first question you have to
ask in the interview, what's your plan for the offense?
What's your plan for the offensive coordinator? What's your plan
for Jackson dor Because that is the single most important
thing now moving forward for whomever the next head coaches.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Yeah, and you know, like the one thing that I'll
just kind of remind everybody. So one of the most
you know, beloved coaches in Giants' history here, right, Tom Kauflin.
What did Tom Kauflin do before he came to the Giants,
right he was down in Jacksonville. They went to an
AFC championship game. They had a really good year. I
think they won fourteen games one year. But he didn't

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have this unbelievable track record in the NFL. I mean,
he coaching college football a long time. People wanted to
run Tom Coffin out of this building in his fourth
year and we started out zing two and there posted
to saying fire Tom, Elisa bust.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Well, dude, how about after the Vikings get that was
worse than after the Open? That was?

Speaker 3 (49:05):
That was that was That was a debacle. But at
least we had a winning record there. But after going
into Week three, everybody was done with coach Golfin and
then they stayed the course. Things got better. Obviously we
win the Super Bowl that year and then things kind
of morphed into all that. But one of the big
reasons why Tom had so much success is we ran
the same offense his basically his entire coaching career. Came

(49:29):
in at the end of the year. Yeah, I mean,
it was Huffnagle that first year, and then Gilbride was
the quarterback coach, and then Gilbride took over and it
was gilbrid all the way up until McAdoo. So that
consistency is what bred the championships, and that consistency is
what bred the confidence. So you've got when you're bringing
in a head coach. I don't think anybody could sit
here and say, we need a head coach that is

(49:50):
not a play call or not this, or we need
a head coach that's an offensive mine or a defensive mine. No,
you need a head coach that could come in here
and that can bring a great staff with them, that's
going to grow these players as men and as players,
and he's going to function on game day like he should.
I agree with you, I don't. I think everybody's bristling
at a first time head coach. I think you want
a blue chip stock here right now. You know, if

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you've got a million dollars and you're going to try
to invest in something, you want a blue chip stock.
You're not going to go out there on some private equity,
you know, a hedge fund, like, hey, let's take a
shot on this guy. Like they don't have that ability
to do that given what's transpired here over the last
three coaches.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Coaching hires invest in PEPSI don't invest in the new
like biotics.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
So give me Google, give me Apple, give me a
fang fang. Yeah, Facebook, Apple, Netflix, Google, give me, give me,
give me all those blue chip stockers.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Absolutely right, But again, find that guy's hard. And he
mentioned one name that is available, Mike McCarthy as a
Super Bowl He won twelve games and three consecutive years
for the Dallas Cowboys and instant there. He had a
very successful career. Has that trouble in the postseason even
when he had Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. There are
things you could talk about that can criticize, but you know,
he knows that the trained quarterbacks, Dak Prescott has been effusive.

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Even after he's out of the building. It is praised
for Mike McCarthy.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
I like that Mike one in two Roger spots. You know,
he won in Green Bay and everybody was like, you know,
was he just winning because of Aaron Rodgers? And then
he goes to Dallas and you know, wins with Dak.
But even he has you know, some blemishes. Oh yeah, No,
I don't think there is no perfect candidate.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Bring in this guy, you know, like there is no
slam duck.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Yeah, there's not. But like I said, they're going to
interview all these guys. They're gonna interview some young guys.
You know, I'm sure Lane Kiffin's name is gonna get
thrown out there too because of his relationship with Jackson.
Dark You cannot hire a coach because of a player
like that. That's when you're going down a slippery slope.
So I think that everybody's just, you know, take some

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pause of that. This is going to be a thorough process.
And like I said, it's not just going to be
about who's the head coaching name, Who are you bringing
with you? Who's the staff going to be That's gonna
be a big part of that.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
The way I kind of compare this Seawan, I went
back to when the Knicks moved on from Phil Jackson,
not to compare Phil Jackson to Brian Table, but they
were in a situation where they were runnerless. I mean
they were the Knicks were and apps that they were laughing, stocked,
they were jokes. They hired Tom Thibodaus their head coach,
and look, Tom Tibdilli never won the big one either.
He had gone to these from conference finals, never got
to the NBA finals. People worried about some of his methods,

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whether or not he could take a team all the way. Well,
at that point, the Knicks were not concerned with winning
an NBA championship. They were just being concerned about not
trick or treating right and worrying about the NFL draft.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Does anybody come to our games? Yes, the last game set,
we just.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Not be bad, right. So I think maybe maybe that's again,
if you find the perfect Corny, you think he's a
great hire, go for it. I'm all in favor of that.
Find the next Sean McVeigh, find the next Kyle Shanahan.
I'm all that's great. I'm all in favor of that too.
But you gotta find someone that at least is going
to put a good, strong program together, that knows how

(52:57):
to win football games. And you know what, if you
get through four years with that guy or five years
of that guy and you're like, all right, we need
somebody else to take us over the top, that's okay.
But at least you get a guy that can make
you relevant again.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
I think it's it's challenging. Look at the NFL this
past year. Right, Let's take a look at some of
the first year head coaches. When the Oakland Raiders are sorry,
the Las Vegas Raiders hired Pete Carroll. Everybody's like, oh
my gosh, Pete's going to bring them back to back
to respectability, Like this is phenomen He's bringing geno with them,
Like this is gonna be amazing, like it's been awful,
Like they look terrible. And Pete Carroll is one of

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the most decorated coaches in college and NFL history. So
that's not going well there. You know, then you look
at okay, look at what Dan Campbell did in Detroit,
and then now all of a sudden, hey man, Detroit's
got something going. Let's pill for a coach from there.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
His years were a disaster though they weren't great.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
But now people say, hey, Ben Johnson goes to Chicago.
Didn't start out great the first couple of weeks. Now
all of a sudden they're on a roll. But Aaron Glenn,
it just Pilford him, how's that going right now? So
you've got to be careful with going with the hot hand,
Like you said, like, hey, who's who's doing great right now?
And you know who's a coordinator that's on a hot
team right now? That we should be talking about. You know,

(54:12):
I've always I've always bristled at that because you're not
taking those players either, you know, like it's you always
kind of have to you kinda have to throw a
little caution in the wind with that aspect of it.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
I don't know what I'm on with you. Next, let
me ask you the question, what are the most important
characteristics in your opinion of a really good head coach?

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Characteristics?

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Well, I think whether it's exos and O's personality, whatever.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
I think as a head coach, like accountability is number one.
You cannot treat certain players different. I think that's everybody's
got to be. Everybody's on the same page. Like Tom
Coffin was big on that, like I can't have separate
rules for separate players. This is this is the way
it is, and everybody's held accountable to the same.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
By the way, some of the players you did not
like when he first showed up, no the record, including
somebody that's on the radio with me the off he's it.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Oh yeah, yeah. I mean people said Giants fans still
boutique because of some of those things, and some of them,
by the way, didn't it either. Straighthon hated him his
first couple of years. You know, Straighton's gone on the
record said my first couple of years, he said, I
don't want ever want to play for this guy again.
And then he said and then things change, and I said,
I want I don't want to play for anybody but him. So, yeah,
that was a that was a complete one eighty. But

(55:21):
I think there's got to be that accountability factor, you know,
and it's a must one hundred percent. I think you've
got to be a great communicator. That's something that is
paramount in that position. You don't get to that position
without being, you know, being a good communicator. But I
think you've got to be a great communicator. I think
when I look for like, if I'm going in an

(55:44):
interview for the head coach of New York Giants, I'm
gonna come in here and I'm gonna say, look, we're
gonna run the damn football. Like Giants championships. Those trophies
have been hoisted because they could run the football and
they played great defense. You look at every successful team
that is hoisted that Lombardi Trophy. Those are two characteristics
you had, so that head coach, you better come in.

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You better be able to run the damn ball in
November and December the trenches, you better. You better be
able to run the football. It's trench warfare is what
the NFL is all about. So that that that has
to be. It's got to be a must. We cannot
be a chuck and duck offense. We can't. That's not
gonna work in the NFC East. It's not gonna work
here in November and December when you've got to you know,

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that's when you got to be playing your best.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
All right, So I got accountability, communication, winning the trenches.
What else do you got for? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (56:32):
You gotta, I mean it's got You've got to build
a physical team. I don't want an analytics guy, Like
I know everybody is all about you know, hey, all
this analytics stuff, and we're going all this stuff like
use it as resource, but like don't, don't. Don't be
a coach that just you know, goes.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
By all that other stuffs. You like Dan, you like
the Dan Campbell approach.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
I think I think Dan Campbell's done a great job
for that. I mean, if you could clone Dan Campbell,
I think that's probably who I just described, right, there.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Yeah, I think it. I think it pretty much is
Actually I think that is exactly.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Is Dan a free agent?

Speaker 2 (57:04):
No, I don't think the lines are gonna be a
fed of letting him out of that building either. To
be quite honest with you, all right, let's get to
our final calls here. I think the yeah you got
one more please.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
You better have some thick skin, like be tough. This
New York media like you cannot you cannot let that
affect you. And we've seen it. We've seen it impact
a lot of coaches, all for the Jets and the
Giants that that that can ruin you in a hillbilly hiccup,
like'll billy, you gotta you gotta be. You gotta have

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some thick skin. You gotta you gotta be, you gotta
be tough.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
How do you know if somebody has thick skin and
a tough.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Well, I think you got to put them through through
the grinder. You got to put them through. You gotta
put them through the car wash yourself. But I think
you go back and you look at their tracker. There's
enough video evidence out there with coaches to just see, hey,
look you know what do we gotta find out how
does he handle this like, I don't want to know.
Don't give me a press coverce after you want a game,
give me a press corverce after your team wet their hands?
How did you handle that?

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Hey, I always say this when fans are all excited,
and you know, the first year, you know, even the
first year of Macadoo, and I'm like, guys, let's see
how these guys handle things when things go bad. It's
easy when everything's going well, but everybody on the team,
it goes for a team. And Brian Abele said this
in the off season. Guys, Look, it's great, everything's positive.
Now let's see how this group reaction with their character

(58:24):
is when things start going really wrong, which, by the way,
I think they've actually handled that fairly well in the
locker room. But you're right, I agree that is important.
All right, Two more call Sean. Let's get to him.
Let's go to a I just like the name, and
he's out of town. So let's go to sneaky g
Man in Dallas. Sneaky, I'm sure you're really sneaky this week,
given everything that's gone down down there in Dallas.

Speaker 6 (58:45):
Hey, first off, before I get started, I do want
to give a shout out to mister Mara. I want
to let him know that I'm prying for his healing
and his quick recovery. Yeah, we all are journal that
he's going through. Wow. Okay, guys, Uh, Sean, this one's
for you man. First, it's a shoot. It's great to

(59:06):
speak with you. And it's a perfect segue because you
were talking about gilbrid a few minutes ago and the
cohesiveness of the offense offense coordinator with Eli. But let's
not forget the offensive line we had with you in it.
We had a dominating offensive line.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (59:26):
You know both Super Bowls. I know you were part
of one of them. And I want to say, since
even McAdoo, we have not had a sustainable offensive line.
What is your And I hate to put you on
the spot, but I want to see how thick your
skin is now. I'm kidding, what what are we missing

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as far as offensive line goes since twenty thirteen?

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Yeah, good question, Sneaking. You appreciate the sentiments. Offensive line
is all about consistency and you know when you look
at all right, Look, I think as much as I
hate saying is that the Eagles have probably been the
gold standard for the last couple of years on offensive
line play, and they have persistently had the same guys
in there. Even the Giants offensive line this year, like

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they have gotten better because they like John Runyon and
Greg Van Roden have played every snap. Like at guard.
We have not had the changing of the guards like
we have had in previous years. You know JMS has
been in out of the lineup this year, Andrew Thomas
when he came back. But that that chemistry is built
through all those reps. Yes, our offensive line back when

(01:00:35):
I played like we were built. You know, we have
been together for years. So that consistency definitely breeds the excellence.
One of the challenges that I think the Giants have
had is, look, they've missed on some draft picks, but
that that constant, you know, revolving door in the offensive
line position is what has hampered some of that that
chemistry and that consistency. But I also think that the

(01:00:57):
offensive line play has changed even in the last ten
years or so, because you don't have as many reps.
Training camp has been reduced. You're in full pads eight
times in entire training camp, so it's a lot harder
to get these young kids that come into the league
at offensive line position, it's a lot harder to get
them reps. I mean, I would have a thousand reps

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in full pads before the season even started. Now they
might not have a thousand reps until, you know, until
halfway through the season in full pads. So it's really
changed that learning curve when you bring young players into
the league and they're playing right away. Now you know,
there's no you're not red shirting rookies anymore like you
used to. So you're coming in and you've got to
contribute and you got to perform. I think that has

(01:01:39):
changed some of the offensive line play along with the
schemes now you know, it's definitely a different schemed offense now.
So I think those are all different reasons and different factors.
But it's hard. It's hard to be consistent when there's
constant change, and I think that offensive line position is
the one position that you cannot microwave like you can
mic We've bringing in a couple of different receivers, running back,

(01:02:02):
skill position guys, defensive guys, but when it comes off
as lineman, it's got to be in the slow cooker
like it's got it's got to take time.

Speaker 6 (01:02:09):
Now, thank you. Now my last question. Now, I know
we have rookies, we have some free agents, and we
have you know, Schmidt being like a what I think
this is the second year a third year player. What
is your opinion on like the perfect mix of an
offensive line? Like how many rookies would you have? How

(01:02:31):
many veterans you know? What's your opinion on that?

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Yeah, good question. I think a lot of that. There's
no perfect formula, otherwise everybody would just follow that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
You think you can appreciate.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
I think the challenge is, you know, you want to
have you want veterans in there, Like I think having
more than one rookie starting on your office a line,
you're gonna have a lot of growing pains. You know,
there's gonna be plays and brain farts and issues that
creep up, you know. So I think the more veteran
laden your group is, the better prepared they are. They

(01:03:05):
understand how to take care of their bodies, they understand
how to prepare, how to watch film, how to be
ready mentally. But it's all the salary cap is such
a big part of that. So you know you want
all veterans, that's great. If they're all, you know, four
years and above, you're paying top dollar for those guys
because they've hit the market, so you kind of have
to you know, I think the best way to do it.
You look at what the Eagles have done. They've done
it through the draft. So if you hit on your

(01:03:28):
draft picks on the offensive line, now you can spend
money elsewhere for those first four years because they're a
honored the rookie contracts, and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
They also draft the guys before they need them, like
they had Cam Jurgens on the team yeah before Kelsey retired.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Yeah, yeah, and they drafted them, and everybodys like, oh boy,
how's Kelsey feel about it? And Kelsey was like, I
actually told them that I think this is the guy
you should draft as a replacement. He played two years
longer and Cam Jergiens played guard and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
It didn't work out for him. But they also did
the same thing with Andre Dillard. They thought he was
going to replace Jason Peters and left tackle. Now he
didn't work out. He's out of the league, but that
they plan ahead of that. You can never never stop
drafting offensive lineman, keep added.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
I mean Lane Johnson was the first round pick. You know,
they ended my lotta. Obviously he was a little bit
of a different case. But then they drafted Land and
Dickerson in the first round.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
I believe the top very top of the second end
of the first one or the other.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Yeah, because he blew his knee out. Yeah, Dallas is
the same thing. I mean, Dallas is you know, they
use first round picks on offen the line, but they've
hit on most of them. So I think that's always
kind of the challenge. But you've you've got to have
a mixture of that. You know, you can't just go
with you know, with all veterans all across the board
because to thirty seventh you at some point the salary

(01:04:38):
cap is is going to come back to haunt you.
But it's you know, that's that's why it's it's not
an exact science, you know, it's you got to find
the right guys too. You know. It's, Hey, there could
be talented guys that are coming out and you're like,
you know, is this guy gonna fit in our offensive
line room because he's the kind of guy that's gonna
give you know, the veterans crap if they're telling him
as a rookie to go do stuff for him, like
what kind of person is he? What kind of player

(01:04:59):
is he? Kind of teammate is you? So those are
all factors in it as well. The offense line, we're
all we're also kind of we're dirt bags. We're kind
of weird in our own little way. So you've got
to have the right guys. You gotta have. Every team
needs to have a couple of dirt bags. You can't
have too many, but you gotta have just the right amount,
right amount of dirt bags a team. Is that that's
a term of endearment, by the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Way, correct amount of dirt bags. That's what we're looking
for here on the offensive linefiles I'm gonna put that
into my draft evaluation. I'm gonna say dirt bag, and.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
That's your that's your your head coaching requirement. You gotta
have a little bit of little just a little Joe dirt.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Hopefully they're bigger than Joe dirt.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
That's Joe dirt, is said, is not a maker.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
I hope they're bigger than Joe dirt. You don't want
to lie to Joe dirt sized fellows on the offensive line.
That would be a problem. No, all right, let's go
m J and Brooklyn. We'll wrap things up. MJ. What's
going on?

Speaker 5 (01:05:48):
Hey, I hope you guys are doing both doing well.
So I've been keeping track of today's pressure news on Twitter,
but there was very little mention about the defense, which
I think would be our main concern considering that's what
lost this most games. So what do you guys think
Koska can do, like realistically and immediately to see improvement
with our defense?

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Like?

Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
Is he known for having experiences with defense? And do
you guys think he would intervene if he didn't see
what if he didn't like what he was seeing on
the field or in critical moments, do you guys think
he would intervene? And lastly, do you think he'd be
more aggressive with holding players accountable and cutting players if
they weren't performing? Compared to the Babel, Good and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Jay excellent questions? I will just say, does Kafka have
experience on defense?

Speaker 8 (01:06:28):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
He played quarterback, so he knows what good bad defenses
look like from the quarterback perspective, so that's for sure true.
I know Brian Dable was working with Shane Bowen in
terms of how to run those defense and remember the Hey,
coaches listening to the play call on defense, so if
he doesn't like something, he can change whatever he wants.
And yes, making sure Bowen was switching up the defense
is being more aggressive on some plays and less aggressive

(01:06:50):
on others. So he was involved there. But what impact
do you think Kafka can have on the defense and
Bowen here or John especially in the second halves of
these games.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Yeah, I think it's all TV right now. But I
think Kafka, Look, he's focusing on the offense. You know,
I don't think him being the interim head coach. Now
he's over there in the defensive meeting rooms telling Shane
bow And how to do this or that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
But is that why you think maybe they didn't make
a change there. They didn't want to put too much
on his plate.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's already hard enough. You know,
I've never been a fan of firing a head coach
during the season, because now somebody's got to pick up
a slack, somebody's got to do his job. Now I'm
doing two jobs. I'm not getting his paycheck, you're not
paying me anymore. But now I got to do my
job and the head coaching job. So I'm I'm not
never been a big fan of that for that reason.
But I think Kafka his you know, for his first

(01:07:36):
game coaching. I think it's I want to get through
this thing and focus on making sure I'm doing the
right thing as a head coach on a macro level.
And then I don't know what his duties are going
to be when the defense is on the field. Is
he going to be meeting with the quarterbacks? Is he
going to be meeting with Tim Kelly? Because he's still
the OC calling the place, so you know, how does

(01:07:56):
that change? And if he's not over there standing there
watching the defense, stand next to Shane Bowe, you know,
listening to all that, he's not gonna be making any decisions.
But do I think that the defense is going to
change with Mike Kafka head coach. Absolutely not. I don't
think there's any change that's gonna happen. Does he at
some point in the game, Hey, look, you know we're up.
We're up four points right here, I want you to
bring the house like? Does he say that? Does he

(01:08:17):
make suggestions a shame?

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
You might say, I want to be really aggressive on
this possession?

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Whatever, Yeah, go for it. I want you to send
the house. I feel like we got to put you
know what, we gotta we got to step on their
throat right now, bring the house, blitz him every play.
I don't I don't know that Kafka's feels confident that
he can do that. And in his very first game
as head coach, maybe game two or game three, maybe
he has a little bit more saying that. But you know,
I maybe he says, hey, look, you know, don't pressure here,

(01:08:43):
like I feel like offensively we're doing a great job, like,
don't give up the big play. You know, maybe he
has a little bit of that. I don't think he's
I don't think he's tweaking scheme or telling shainbow and
you know what to do on third and seven.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Should I'll be honest with you, I don't think there's
anything fundamentally wrong with the scheme.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
No, I mean, I think we've talked about that at No.
It's the execution is the issue, you know. So maybe
there's an accountability factor that he can bring to the
offense and the defense. But you know, look, this is
like I said when we started this whole thing, Like
when the head coach gets fired, everybody in that locker
room feels it and you know what, like you feel
like you let that guy down. So I expect both

(01:09:23):
sides of the ball to come out and you know, look,
you play like there's a fire under their butt, because
there is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Yeah, I'm with you. Sean final thoughts here before we
say goodbye.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Bring on the Packers. Let's go g Man.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
I think that's a game they can win by the
way we do.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Look, their offense is struggling. You talked about it right
at the start of this, like they have not scored
a lot of points. I mean, they missed a field goal,
you know. They their offenses looks like it's been in reverse.
They've really struggled, and they've got some injuries now on
the office line.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
I think there's two weeks ago. That's a team that's
not that dissimilar from the Giants.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
I've always felt like in the NFL, it's not always
who you play, but when you play this is when
you want to play. The Packers like they are. They
are reeling right now, So I think, look, come on out,
it's one o'clock, it's a Sunday. It's gonna be a
nice day. You're gonna be it might rails go a bit,
but that's okay, maybe a little maybe bring up Poncho. Yeah.
We need we need the crowd to be a factor

(01:10:16):
in this game.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Are you on postgame this week?

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
I am not.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Okay, I am not, so they don't don't tune in
on Sunday. This see is shown on the post YouTube.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Yeah, definitely tune in, Madeline Tumor, I believe well, I.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Mean you could do that maybe had the TV on,
but then put the radio on too. You listen to
me and Tiky on the radio.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
Yes, and Siki, so make sure you check that out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Thank you, Sean, This was fun as well. Thanks always
a pleasure. Maddel will be with Jonathan you can see
is tomorrow and then we should have any more switches
the rest of the year. But that's what we're looking
at for this week. That's Big Blue kick Off Live
presented by Cadallite, the official luxury vehicle the Giants from
the Hackensack Murty the Hell Podcast studio keep getting better.
For Sean O'Hara, I'm John Schmelk. We will see you
on Sunday for Giants and Packers. Big Blue KIOFF five

(01:10:56):
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