Big Blue Kickoff Live 11/13 | Turning the Page to Green Bay

Madelyn Burke and Jonathan Casillas discuss Jameis Winston being named the starter, talk about the matchup with the Green Bay Packers, and take calls from fans.

0:00 - Jameis Winston and Mike Kafka

14:40 - Looking ahead to Green Bay

20:05 - Calls

33:00 - Roster news

35:30 - Packers chat

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getting better, jac How you doing.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
I'm fantastic. It's good to see miss Burke.

Speaker 5 (01:04):
Fantastic. It's good to see you do I feel like
we do. The Giants hang out every week in our
little boxes, but look at us in the flesh in
real life in the studio. How fun is this?

Speaker 2 (01:14):
This is awesome. I walked in the day I was like, hey, Schmid, Hey,
it's miss Burke.

Speaker 5 (01:19):
I always this one. First of all, for those of
you at home who don't know, this one has all
ever since you were playing here and I started covering
the sceam, You've always called me Miss Burke. And it's
so precious because it makes me feel like a substitute
teacher a little bit. But it's like the one, the
cool one, the one who rolls in the TV on
the way and you're like, oh, we got miss Burke today.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
We're not doing no work.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
We're just having fun and good times and good vibes.
And you know what, we need some good vibes around here.
It's been it's been a tricky week. Obviously. I know
that on this program the guys earlier in the week
have well gotten into all of the news around the
Giants land, so guess we're acknowledging it. Big fan of
the you know, here's your water. A big fan of

(02:07):
head coach Brian Dable and wishing him nothing but success
in his next ventures. Mike Kafka, you know, will do
a great job in stepping into that role. And Tim
Kelly of course elevated to the interim offensive coordinator. Looking
forward to watching what this team puts onto the field
on Sunday with James Winston starting at quarterback.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
That's where I was going to start. Yeah, that was
a huge move, you know, going from basically Russell who's
been the guy, and then Jackson Dard he's been basically
the reserve backup and has played in relief of Jackson
Dard at times, and then making the move to Jameis Winston.
That was That was a huge move by Kafka.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
And did you see I just tell you that it's
been stuck in my head. Great a City of the World,
Like I want to make that my new ringtone.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
He was so good and that's the reason why you
make the move to James Winston because he brings a
different type of energy. I think that this team needs,
you know, this team needs a spark. It needs a
guy that's going to execute with surgical precision.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
That's going to call a play like he's telling you
a secret.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Oh my god, it was. It was electrifying in his
in his presser, you know, and I think you know,
with with him at the Helm, you expect a lot
of fireworks, you know, you do expect that. And Russell
Wilson has had his struggles this year, but he's so
good for the locker room.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Russell Wilson is James Swiss and I could say the
same thing about him. He's such a great locker room guy.
And me and him got into it last week. He
was calling me out about being on the Saints sideline
and Saints Very's Giants. First of all, everybody's not too
fond of me doing that. But I can't give back
my super Bowl ring.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
Yeah, you don't have to give back your Super Bowl ring.
You can celebrate that ring in any week, any other week,
I know, any week when I mean, you know, the
Saints play other teams.

Speaker 6 (03:52):
I know.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
I mean, you're lunch working, you're having lunch in the
Giants cafeteria, You're on the Giants shows. The next thing
you know, you're flipping the Saints coin.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, he came at me. He came at me hard,
rightfully so, but I had to defend myself. And I
also said to him, mister former buccaneer, like myself, mister
former Saint, like myself, what are you going to do
when you retire? When who team are you going to
retire with?

Speaker 5 (04:16):
That's true, but it's like, you know, the former Saint
was not over on the Saints sideline flipping the coin
this week, you know, as but you know whatever, in
af fairness, you know what you did win a Super Bowl?
Who has your name on a T shirt?

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, and I'm on I'm on a on a trophy
and a banner too. Yeah, but I did not wear
any Saints gear. I was a neutral colored white T shirt.
Mind you. I'm in Missus Benson's suite, the owner of
the Saints.

Speaker 5 (04:47):
And again there's sixteen other games.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Myself going for the Giants in the suite, like out loud,
see we see where your heart is. Of course, you know,
like at the end of the day, I retire as
a Giant. I'm a legend for a couple of teams
because I want Super Bowls on other teams. But I
do acknowledge. You know where my home is. My home
is here in New.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
York, New York, New Jersey. You know, same same potato
tomato but we digress. I like, I respect that Jamis
gave you a little rash that too.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
Listen, I mean this is a thing. You know, you
understand this, You've been through this as a player. When
there's a change like this in the middle of the season,
it is destabilizing for a locker room in a lot
of ways. And I think you need to find ways
to reignite the joy of playing the game. And I
do think Jameis is going to be so good for
that in a way of you know, he's always been.

(05:41):
He's the perfect kind of veteran to have in that
locker room because he's not you know, he has a
lot of pride in his ability, but not from an
ego place, not from a I should be starting okay,
how you know. And I think that he understands and
really thrives in that role of just I'm going to
do my best where ever is asked of me. And

(06:02):
also considering that he is on a two year deal
and will be the backup quarterback next season behind Jackson Dart,
there's a consistency in the continuity with Jameis Winston, whereas
Russell Wilson, as you know, incredible of a career as
he has had. You know, this is this is a
one year flyer for him. So I think that this
was an opportunity for the organization, Sarah, let's turn the
page and move towards what we are building rather than

(06:26):
what we are at right now.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
And I think you said the right word opportunity, right,
you know. He spoke about that in his presser, and
it's also opportunity for Kafka, you know. And of course
you know the number one topic right now is who
is going to be the next you know, Giants head coach? Right,
you know, the inter room God doesn't always get it,
but he kind of is a shoeing in terms of

(06:48):
he has basically the first impression and the first writer refusal.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
Almost yeah, first audition.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
You know, definitely the first audition because everyone.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
Else is going to be having a meeting and interview,
but you're actually going out there already what you're capable
of doing.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
He has a relationship with every single player on the roster,
you know, so a big opportunity for him as well
to get this life back into the New York Giants,
you know. And one thing that jameis Winston instead that
really suck with me. And I was talking when me
and Jamis actually talked last week, I was actually talking
to a Meer Smith Marsett. You know, a Jersey guy,
undrafted guy got a Super Bowl with the Chiefs, and

(07:23):
I told him, you know, he you know, he looked
like he was a little bit, I would say, frustrated about,
you know, not being as active as he wanted to be.
In Elijah Garcia as well, and you know, I'm want
to undrafted guy, and I made sure to tell them
the same thing that Jamis said. You have to be grateful,
Like I know you're grateful, but you have to show
it and act like it, because everybody's grateful to be

(07:46):
in an NFL. But sometimes you might not put it
out there. You might not wear it out there. You
might not show it how you're walking into the building
and how you're handling practice, how you're handling the day
to day, because it is frustrating not playing, it is
frustrating losing, but you should be grateful that you have
an opportunity to do something that only very very limited
amount of people get to do in a lifetime. Ever, Yeah,

(08:08):
get to play in the NFL. And then I love Jamis,
and I think and I.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
Agree that I agree with that take two and it's
not and I don't think you're saying grateful of like,
well you should just be happy to be here. No,
But it's more of just understanding from the macro picture,
because so often in any in any regard of life,
whether it's you know, playing in the NFL or working
in a job, you forget that once upon a time,
this was your dream to just get in the door,
for sure. And it's like staying grounded in that energy

(08:34):
of just like, Okay, I am grateful, I am happy
that I am here and I have accomplished this and
what can I do to be where my feet are
and thrive in that position?

Speaker 2 (08:42):
One hundred percent? And I use the two words again,
being grateful for the opportunity, just like when you wake
up and you start understanding that people don't have it
as good as the next person. And I'm talking about
just the day to day life. Some people wake up
they can't see, they can't walk, or whatever it is
you're in. You have an opportunity to play for one
of the greatest organizations in.

Speaker 5 (09:02):
All of sports.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, be grateful. Show it the way you practice the
way you come in a building, the way you are
at meetings, and then that will translate over on Sundays.
And I just feel like maybe collectively as a units,
as you know, and I'm talking about the players, maybe
they have kind of forgotten that a little bit of
gotten away from it because it's been so rough. When
you're losing constantly, it's kind of hard to be grateful

(09:25):
when you you know, you got two wins in his
past the midpoint of the season.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
Right right. I agree, and I can understand that. And
it's you know, there's a lot of opportunities in a
moment like this, in a shake up like this, not
just for the players, but for the coaching staff and
not just for Mike Kafka. Also Tim Kelly, Giants tight
ends coach, is now elevated to the offensive coordinator. He
spoke to the media earlier today, you know, Thursdays is
coordinator stays to speak and you know it is his

(09:50):
first kind of one of those media availabilities, and he
talked about how as far as he knows, he'll still
be on the sideline as Kafka was, you know, as
the tight ends coach. He was also heavily invested more
in the run game, and now he's going to be
zooming out a bit more and taking opportunity of those roles.
He has been an offensive coordinator before, so it's not
like new, completely new territory for him, but it is

(10:12):
another opportunity. And when you consider too the creativity that
this offense underwent when Molik Neighbors went down, Camp's gottaboo
went down. And who do they rely on the tight ends?
You know, a lot more twelve personnel, a lot of
thirteen personnel, and so that is going to be you know,
watching the way the offense kind of maintains course, but
how much does it evolve? And you know, Tim Kelly

(10:34):
did talk about how the biggest changes are going to
be more behind the scenes, you know, procedurally, okay, who's talking,
who's in charge of what meeting? But in terms of
on the field, you know, they are still the north
Star is still the north Star.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
I definitely think there's going to be some type of
change and manipulation to the offense given the play style
of the quarterback that's now taken and taking the helm
and Jamis Wison, James Winston is not a running quarterback.
He is a pocket quarterback. He will and he will
chuck that ball. Yeah, he will chuck the ball.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
So I think it's going to be like watching Jameis
Winston is going to be like somebody back there with
a T shirt cannon just like you know, poo poo,
poo poo, and like who knows, Like maybe he's aiming
for the kids, but maybe every once in a while
an adult just reaches in there is like I want
this heavily branded, heavily branded free XXL T shirt. Yeah,

(11:23):
you know, you never know.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
So I think aim for the blue shirts, aim for
the blue shirt, for the blue shirt.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
And you know, prayers up, but no he we choke.
But yeah, he's going to be sending it.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
Yeah he is.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
It'll be a little bit less of his legs in
the pocket. I think he's always been a great maneuver
have great maneuver ability in the pocket, but he's never
really been the runner. We've seen him get first downs
over the years for the different teams that he's played for,
but I think no design runs. I don't think a
design room would come. I don't know how much RPO

(12:01):
would be a part of his regiments as well. Last
week the Giants went to a lot of under centered
drop back play action situation with Dart, and Dart had
his best game before he got knocked out the game.
He had his best game. He was playing lights out
before and I think it definitely takes a hit. But
with Jameis Winston man that the energy that he brings

(12:22):
to this team, the energy that he's going to, you know,
influx into met life is going to be I think contagious.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
Well, and that mentality in that mindset is contagious. You know,
when you walk into a room and you've got somebody
who's just so excited to be there and is you know,
it's raining skittles every day, You're like, I'll have what
he's having, you know, let me get on board with this.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Now we have to have the defense to feed off
of that as well.

Speaker 5 (12:48):
Absolutely, and you know, defensive coordinator Shane Bowen, he started
his media availability today with gratitude to Brian Dables that
he's enjoyed the time it's worked with him. You know,
acknowledge that, hey, you know what a part of this
falls on. We got to do a better job of
closing out games and that was one of the first
conversations he had with Mike Kafka as Kafka took over
as interim head coaches. How do we kind of lock

(13:08):
it down and close out these games. He also acknowledged,
you know, the incredible play of rookie of Dual Carter,
but acknowledged that Carter has had several sacks that have
been taken away because of penalties elsewhere on the field,
and that for a young a young player is a
little bit not you know, deflating, but frustrating, you know,

(13:29):
because he's like, I'm doing my job, I'm executing. Why
is it that somebody over there making a mistake is
affecting my you know, my ability to contribute.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
You had Dexter get one two last.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
Dexter last last week, dex and Abdul did both of
them had their right practically practically in the same penalty.
But that's the hard thing, too, is the discipline on
all sides of the ball, but especially you know in
that regard.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Well, the Giants have to get back and playing complimentary football.
The two wins that the Giants had this year, you
saw a complimentary football offense, defense, and special teams, and
I think all three of the units have been up
and down. Last week was a collective effort to fail
last week, right, the offense started active.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
The effort to fail is it? I mean perfect phrasing,
but ouch that.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
See, but it was you know, I mean having a
twenty ten lead against a team that you know had
scored I mean how many points forty seven points the
week before in Chicago and limiting them to only ten
points through three and a.

Speaker 5 (14:30):
Half quarters, and a team that you know, you see
their pass catchers couldn't catch a cold out there, yeah,
like they I mean that was they had a case
the drop season. The Giants were able to take advantage
of that until they weren't.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
You gotta finish, yeah, you know, I think that's a
word that we used on the hangouts you know the
other day. The Giants have to figure out a way
how to finish. You know, the Giants haven't figured out
how to win, you know, and part of winning is finishing,
because it's not about how you start. You know, you
can be down twenty ten and you can come back
and win Chicago Bears, right, you could be down nineteen
and four come back and win Broncos. They figured out

(15:03):
ways to win. People are talking crap about the Broncos.
People talk crack about the Bears, but they're finding ways
to win.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
Yeah, at the end of the season, they're not gonna say, oh, yeah,
the Bears won that game twenty four to twenty, but
they were down until the fourth cour. No, they're gonna
say they won the game and they had more points
and that's what happened.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Giants have to figure out ways to win games, whether
you're behind or whether you're especially.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
When you're leading, and good teams figure out ways to win.
And you talk about complimentary football, it's offense, defense and
special teams. Big news on special teams this week, Graham
Gano back on IR again this season, the second time
this season. The kicking troubles for the Giants have continued, and.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Jimmie Gillum had a rough reach.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
Jimmie Gillen the punter. Yeah, from the opening kickoff kind
of to that last punt that was a twenty six
yard you know whatever. Shank young way who the Jersey
native kicked last.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Week Jersey.

Speaker 5 (15:55):
Okay, look at that?

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Look at that? Yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:58):
Yeah, Young Wayo, the Jersey native and Zen enthusiast is uh,
you know, he was out there for the Giants last
week during warm ups, he had a couple of struggles.
You know, he missed a couple of his kicks and
warm ups. He was effective during the game, didn't miss
anything in the game, but yeah, but he uh. Special
Teams coordinator Mike Golbriel, Like Gobriel talked about today that

(16:22):
Ku went over to MetLife and practiced earlier this week
at the stadium. Well good, because the is a lot
different est It's very different. I know, it's like Quest
and MetLife are about, you know, a couple hundred yards
away from each other. But the environment, I mean you
could see it from the parking lot, but the environment
is so different because of the structure of the poor

(16:44):
and so FORKU to not only you know, be proactive
and do that, but take advantage of that opportunity and
for the team to facilitate that. That's great foresight of like, Okay,
here's the problem. How do we fix it? How do
we make sure that you feel good and ready to
do this in this environment? So that was an interesting element.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
And I think not just understanding the air and the
wind and the turf and all of that stuff that happens,
the physical things, but it's the intangible.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
Turf wind and fire out there, metal turf.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Fire giving them confidence, right, because that's what kickers have,
Like you to miss a kick with you made thousands
of times. Yes, most of the time, it comes down
to nerves, It comes down to confidence. It comes down
to actually having you know, the blinders on, not you know,
seeing all of the stuff. You know, the freezing that

(17:33):
the kickers them not paying attention.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
Like in basketball when the basketball player is a shooter,
right shooter, shoot, but then you go on a cold streak.
If you get in a slump, what's the best way
to break the slump? You should go to see the
ball go through there. And so it's like if you're
in a slump and Coop, you know, part of the
reason that he's no longer with Atlanta's had gotten a
little bit of a slump and so he had a
good outing last week. But you're right, like just getting
that confidence built up again.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Where you're going to do it at Yeah, kicking it
at the state can be. Kicking it at practice is
one thing. Just like practicing that practice is one thing.
We'll get under those bright lights even though it's one pm,
won't be bright lights. It'd be a bright sun hopefully,
hopefully get some.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
Sun hopefully or the bright tail like we've got today.
It's literally it's raining sideways out there today.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
The weather is very bipolar here, yes, very pipolar, very
bipolar here, bi polar, yes, it's it could be rainy
one day, it could be seventy degrees. I think we
got a seventy degree day. Then it was like very cold.

Speaker 5 (18:28):
I had an uber driver educating me on the fact
that we are now in a subtropical climate here because
of climate change, and so he said that we will
be getting more of these Florida like or tropical like
storms where it's just like downpour for like a couple
of minutes and then stops, and it's like somebody flips
the switch and then rain, no rain, rain, no rain.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Amazing the word tropical in November in New Jersey.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
I mean it's get can be cold in the tropics apparently,
but anyway, subtropical climate. I looked it up and apparently
that is true really via many corroborations. So now we're subtropical.
So now it's just going to be right in sideways
out of the blue. Sometimes here we go and on
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Two A one nine three nine four five one three
is the phone number. Let's go to the phone lines,
starting with Giovanni and Jacksonville. Gavanni, welcome to the show.
You're on Big Blue Kickoff Live with Casias and Madeline.

Speaker 6 (19:53):
Hey, Madeline, Jonathan, how you are doing?

Speaker 2 (19:55):
What's going on?

Speaker 3 (19:56):
We're sure you're doing doing good? Doing good? Not bad?

Speaker 7 (20:03):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (20:03):
Are you faxing?

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Sometimes?

Speaker 5 (20:08):
Ull uh? Did we lose you? Giovanni? The internet man,
I think somebody's trying to log onto aol. Giovanni, give
us a call back if you can. But it seems
like we might have lost you, all right, we might
have right two A one nine nine four five one three.
While we try to see if Giovanni can get back,
Let's go to Kyle in New Hampshire. Kyle, welcome to

(20:31):
Big Blue Kickoff Live. You're on with Jonathan and Madeline.

Speaker 7 (20:34):
How are you guys?

Speaker 5 (20:35):
Doing good? How are you where you?

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Not bad?

Speaker 5 (20:37):
Not bad?

Speaker 7 (20:38):
So I don't mean to beat a dead horse here.
I'm a few weeks behind, but I think the Broncos
game definitely holds some way to what happened here, especially
the way we were going into that game, the vibes
we were feeling, and it was definitely feeling like we
want a couple of games. We definitely wouldn't be where
we are right here. So with that being said, I
have lived in New England my whole life, so findingence

(21:00):
fans is hard. So during the game, I'm on the
phone with a good buddy of mine who's also a
Giants fan, and I'm very happy I have a former
player here to talk me through this because I am
nowhere near knowing anything about coaching an NFL or anything
like that. But I think this situation is going to
come up more now that the kicking game is completely
changed in the NFL. We get the pass interference call

(21:23):
the ball at the one with twenty eight seconds left.
We have one time out, the Broncos have zero. My
buddy instantly asks me, what do you do the second
we got the pass interference call? I go, dude, I'm
taking a knee on the first play. I'm running the
clock down to fifteen seconds. I'm getting into the I formation,
and then I'm snapping it running it again. If we score, great,

(21:44):
If not, I'm taking a timeout with twelve seconds left,
and I'm coming up with two plays, either a run
play and then a throw play, or you throw it
there in case you don't get it, you still have
seven seconds left to go with a fourth down play.
With that, you're taking one play away from you, but
you are guaranteeing the Broncos can't do anything with the ball.

(22:04):
Is that a crazy thing to think of, because everything
every person I've talked to just thinks that that is unethical,
not unethical, but just not normal play calling. But in
today's NFL, where you can kick at sixty plus yards
and you can get the ball on the forty with
one wrong kick, I think that that should be thought
of maybe more often if you get the ball on

(22:25):
the one was under a minute left.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
Telling about the Denver Broncos game at the end of
the game, I mean, being a dead horse talking about
Broncos is a pun right there that I was just
biting trying to do it.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
I can't remember that far. So many, so much football
I've watched since then. I'm not trying to dismiss I
just can't exactly remember the exact plays, the exact plays
and how it went down.

Speaker 7 (22:49):
Actually, we we got the pass interference. Obviously that game
was the meltdown at the end. Yeah, we got the
pass interference that gave us the ball on the one
yard line with twenty eight seconds left. We had one
time out, the Broncos had to zero and the first
play we snuck it in with Dart and scored. Like,
why would you take a knee there?

Speaker 8 (23:09):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (23:10):
I remember, I remember exactly what you're talking about. YEAHMANI
and I were doing the post game show that day too,
and he kind of made a similar point to you,
Kyle Wanni Tumor did. And my my question to Amani
and I'll kind of raise this with you too, because
he is like, when you're in that position, it's like, yes,
you want to run the clock and score with less time. However,

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if there was a certainty that you knew that you
could punch in a one yard play, don't you think
teams would do it more often? It is hard to
get in from the end zone. So I think if
you're trying to score a touchdown, you take that touchdown
where you can't, especially from the one. You know, maybe
they run it with dart and maybe they don't cross
the plane and they have a couple more downs to
try it.

Speaker 7 (23:50):
But if they but it's they just time left.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
No I understand that. But but if you if you
say you take a knee on first down, or maybe
you know, drain the clock on first down, and then
you put yourself in a position where you're in third
down with thirty seconds up the game and now you
have to score and you don't cross the plane and
they make a goal line stand, then suddenly you're in
a very different situation.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
The Giants were down four points, and.

Speaker 5 (24:15):
They were down four point needed it needed.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
A touchdown, And then you can't sacrifice plays because you
need a touchdown. You didn't need three, which would have
tied the game if they had been only down three.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
And had they had they sacrificed the first two downs
and then not been able to convert on their penalty. Yeah,
or a penalty and backed them up or something like that.
Then people are saying, well, why didn't you try? Why
don't you take all four attempts to get into the
end zone. So hindsight is twenty twenty in that situation.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, and the only thing go ahead, go ahead, off,
go ahead.

Speaker 7 (24:44):
The only the only point I will say that a
kind of giving giving it to you talking about it
is the penalty thing. Obviously that would have made everyone
look a lot less smarter than what they were. But
my whole theory was just with with who we had there,
with Scataboo and Dark, I would have rather given up
three plays without the Broncos having any instead of scoring

(25:04):
on the first. I guess that was my initial reaction,
like it was one of those Okay, if we can't
get it done in three plays from the two yard line,
hats off to you. You deserve to beat us in
that moment.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
But with the.

Speaker 7 (25:16):
Momentum and the fact that it's in Denver, kicking is
gonna be not. I don't want to say easier, but
you're gonna have chances to get those little bit longer kicks.
I feel like I just think in that game, that's
what I thought in the moment. I just wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Wait, did you think that at the moment? Well, did
you think that at the moment or did you think
that after the moment happened? Because hindsight is always twenty
twenty and as a defender, I would say your defense
should make a stop. Yeah, points in the fourth quarter
is absolutely absurd.

Speaker 5 (25:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (25:52):
The reason why I've called is because it's been on
my brain that much. So I think, like, for example,
that I know you you don't remember the full game,
but so I.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Remember it now. Now I remember the situation now that
you was talking about. I had to go back and
look at it.

Speaker 7 (26:04):
The interception dart through coming up to the ball, my
buddy's like, dude, I'm running it here. I'm like, no,
I throw it. I like our chances. I throw it.
And then obviously he threw the pick. And then looking
back I disagreed. I was like, okay, no, I see
why you run it there. And the moment I agreed
with the throw looking back, I thought you should have
ran it, but this play, everything about it, I think

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you should.

Speaker 8 (26:26):
Have killed the clock.

Speaker 7 (26:27):
And if they do get the ball back, they get
it back with fifteen seconds or less, not twenty five.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
But again, Kyle, how many times? How many times have
we seen not just the Giants, but teams across the
league at the one yard line, including the Philadelphia Eagles,
who touch pushed their way a yard at a time
being stopped at the one yard line. And so there's
no guarantee that if the Giants go for it on
that first down in which they did that, they're crossing

(26:54):
that plane and it's you know, I think they were
just as surprise of oh wow, we got in there
on first down. And as you said, you know, you
wanted them to take you know, to let the time
go on that first down and give them three tricks.
Was had they got in there on second down, they
still would have given the Broncos plenty of time, you know,
So I.

Speaker 7 (27:10):
Think, I mean it would instead of twenty eight seconds,
it would have been fifteen if you don't get it
on the first down. Note, but it's just one of
those I think before that game, the most heartbreaking loss
of the year for us was the Cowboys game with
the way everything happened, So it was just one of
those we shouldn't I felt like we should have known
not to give the ball back to them with as
much time as we did, knowing that we're just appeld

(27:32):
goal away from either overtime or obviously losing the game
because we didn't get the pat So it's just one
of those. Again, I don't think I'm I'm a coach
or I'm not saying I'm better than.

Speaker 6 (27:43):
Anyone or anything like that.

Speaker 8 (27:44):
It was just in the moment I thought of it,
and it was just.

Speaker 7 (27:47):
So different than what people would normally do in that situation.
But I think there's a chance we may see something
like that maybe happening with how the kicking game is
changing and the fact that is, like you guys said,
you could get a penalty, but also, like I said,
you could mess up on the kickoff and they could
get the ball at the forty.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (28:08):
No, I mean it is one of those if you've
put the if you A lot of things are analytics now,
so if you're going to do the numbers on it,
that's where I was just like, I thought that was
the best case scenario with everything considered. So I just
wanted to get your guys' opinion.

Speaker 5 (28:20):
It is a good it is a good hindsight moment
and something good to kind of evaluate and thank you
so much for the call, Kyle. But it is one
of those things too that you got to trust your defense,
you know. And it's similarly, you know, the Giants were
in a similar situation against Dallas as well. You know,
you leave some time on the clock, you got to
score the points that you need to score when you
have the opportunity, because touchdowns aren't a given, you know,

(28:41):
just because you're in that close range how many times,
like you mentioned penalties or defensive stops or what have you,
you're not guaranteed to get in the end zone. So
you take those points when you get them, and you
trust your defense to make a stop. The Giants took
the points when they had the opportunity. They left, you know,
twenty eight seconds left on the clock, trust their defense.
The defense wasn't able to execute in a way that

(29:04):
made that stop, and Denver came out with the win.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, hindsight is twenty twenty, you know. And I've never
been rely on the analytics type of guy. You know,
football needs to be played by football players and smart
coaches that have a knack for doing certain things in
certain situations. Yeah, right, And I think when you have
an identity you know, and you can stand on that
stand on business when it comes to that identity, you know,

(29:28):
then you do it.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
You know.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
And what Kyle is talking about for me, that's too analytical.
Like let's play some football, right, let's make a stop,
Let's get a touchdown and then have a stop on defense.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
Yeah, the math is mathing, but also you have to
consider the human element and the execution and the personnel
on the field that are that are asked to do it.
You know. Again, if you're saying, like in theory, it
would be great to have less time on the clock,
but in theory, if you're putting your team in a
position of one shot to be rabid that touchdown and
say like I got one opportunity, sweaty, let's go, like

(30:01):
do they get it? And if they don't, yeah, ready,
wasn't ready? You have vomit on your sweater, mom, spaghetti
over here because you couldn't get it done. So it's
like you get the points when you get the points,
and you trust your defense to do their job because
breaking news here on Big Blue Kickoff Live. Defensive players
get paid too, and so I think so often people

(30:24):
look at the game from an offensive perspective of like, oh,
we have to score this, we have scored that. But like,
defense has a job to do, and defense can go
out there and do it and make a stop as
just as imperative as getting the points.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
And just like like you say, oh, the defense hasn't
stopped them, right, the defense hasn't done this. Well, the
offense wasn't really scoring fourth quarter touchdowns either, and they
had to that game. You know, there comes a time
where you rely on somebody to do their job. You
rely on the kicker to make his kick, you rely
on a defense to make that stop, You rely on
the offense to get it in the end zone. And

(30:57):
that's what a real good team does. Yeah right, Yes,
the analytics and you got to do the smart thing
and the thing that makes the most sense. But at
the end of the day, you have to play football,
score points, make kicks, and make stops on defense. That's football.

Speaker 5 (31:09):
That's football, and you.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Got to be better at that. New York Giants, Yeah,
New York Giants gotta be better at football.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
Do better.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, and the details, of course they matter. Situation of
football matters probably the most when you talk about the
details being you know, doing the right thing at the
right time, but all of the you know, should they
have done this, should they have done that? Okay, they
didn't do it. Now what do you do after? Right? Okay,
let's talk about the play that he was talking about

(31:35):
when the Giants threw the ball on third down and
he ended up doing an interception. You know why I'm
not opposed to that because Jackson Darts a guy. He's
a guy. If he wasn't a guy, if he wasn't
a good player, that we can understand he can make
a play because you have he has the ball in
his hands. If he wasn't that type of guy, but like,
why would you do that? But he's a guy. He's

(31:57):
a guy that you can say he can make this play.
So you're relying on them, and as a defense, you
step up and say, our guy didn't get it, so
now we have to go back and get him back
the ball. That's how football works. Eli Manning was a
guy for us. He was the guy for us in
twenty sixteen. Eli Manning was turnover happy that year. You

(32:19):
know what, every time he had a turnover, we stormed
the field like Normandy to get it back to who
to Eli?

Speaker 5 (32:26):
Yeah, because it's like, let's run it back. Let's see.
I know you can do it again. You can do better.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
That's it. You have to match him again, the complimentary
football aspect of it. Right, if your offense has three turnovers,
what you can do as a defense, Oh many, turn
the ball over again, or you're gonna say, let's go
create our own turnover. Let's get back.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
Yeah, exactly, that's it, exactly. Some roster news for you here.
Giants have means moves bringing back Isaiah Hodgens. Let's go.
Wide receiver Isaiah Hodgens has been signed to the Giants
fifty three from the Steelers practice squad. Giants have also
elevated line backer Trace Ford from the practice squad and
a farewell to Little Jordan Humphrey. The Broncos have signed

(33:06):
Little Jordan Humphrey to their active roster from the Giants
practice squad, so wishing him the best of luck. It's
Broncos take on the Chiefs this weekend. But yeah, Isaiah
Hodgens making you can return. Well, Darius Slayton is now
wearing your former number eighteen, so we'll see what Hodgens
is gonna wear.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
And he was incredible in twenty twenty two. He was incredible.
He was very No, he wasn't on the couch. He
was on the Beats practice squad, if I'm not mistaken.
So let's see, man, Let's see if he can you know,
spark us in the receiving game. You know, I think
last week you saw a dynamic performance from Jackson Dart
in receiving game. Yes, Slayton made one of the best
catches I've ever seen. Yeah on the football.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
Field, that one handed on the on the boundary. I
think even Slayton was like, I'm sorry, what did we
just Yeah, So let's see bagnet hands.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Look, the Giants are in an interesting situation right right now.
First head coach fire during the season this year so far,
there is there.

Speaker 5 (34:04):
Other Oh I thought you meant for the Giants. No, no,
that is yes, the first charts are now.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Looking for their fifth head coach since Tom Coughlin, which
is only ten years ago. That is, those numbers aren't
that great?

Speaker 5 (34:18):
Not great?

Speaker 2 (34:19):
See if we can get this thing right. Yeah, this time,
So we'll.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
See, we'll see, we'll run it back, We'll do it again,
leather rents, repeat and see how it all goes. But yeah,
the Giants are the first. Usually you see about six
to eight teams making a change to the head coach.
Giants got started and again, you know, big fan of
Brian Dable as a person, as a colleague and wishing
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the show. You're on with the casis and meddling.

Speaker 6 (35:18):
Hey guys, Sorry, I don't know what happened, but I
don't know how much you heard either. I'm sure I
probably just cut out in the very beginning of it.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
Yeah, all we heard was hey guys, and then fax
machine sounds, So I was like, who still sends on that?

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Right?

Speaker 8 (35:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (35:34):
So I just want to ask you guys what you
guys think about Kaka's opportunity. I know it's bittersweet with
stable going, but I think as Giants fans, we have
a lot to look forward to. Like the way I
see it, it's kind of a win win with how
the media is kind of, you know, blowing everything out
of proportion, which you never want to fire head coach midseason. However,

(35:55):
there's some good things that can come of it if
Kafka utilizes his opportunity and he has seven games to
show what he's capable of from turning this team around.
I think Giants fans have a lot to look forward
to with that, especially if he's a final candidate for US,
and it's going to be very crucial for darts development
with continuity, so I think that's very important. Also, kind

(36:17):
of curious, so you guys think about the head coaching
candidates that are available. I know it's like way too early,
but just kind of like looking into what you guys
think about the candidates that are available or potentially in
the future. Kind of get your insight on that.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
Yeah, I think it might be soon to pontificate or
I don't even know, like tinker with with who might
be available as a head coach because we're about two
months away from making that choice. But what I will
say about Mike Kafka is, you know, as a former
player at a high level, he commands a lot of
respective and the players like him. He knows the game.
There's a I want to give credit to a Twitter account,

(36:54):
Roger Sherman, who's been regularly tweeting out Mike Kafka's outback
Bowl stat line. When he was a core back of Northwestern,
he went forty seven of seventy eight five hundred and
thirty two passing yards for touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah, and that's sounds about right for Northwestern.

Speaker 5 (37:08):
But it's like, let you do it.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yeah, yeah, Oh my god, how did I not know this? Yeah?
They beat us in Northwestern. They scored like fifty points
on us. Again with the fifty points, again with the fifty.

Speaker 9 (37:22):
The amount of times that you and I have had
conversations about your defense giving up fifty points on a
multiple teasle at Wisconsin with the Giants, with the Saints.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
He's like, oh yeah, this guy, Yeah, well give him
fifty points.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Somehow.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
He might not been a quarterback. I think it might
have been Brett Bazine, but whatever, Man, I don't know
why I brought I brought it up too.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
Listen, you're building a brand here.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Two points. You're like the Yeah, So what I want
from a head coach is the the unheralded ability to
lead men, right. I think that's kind of where day
Ball fell short. And the reason why I say that
because I don't think he maximized the potential of this roster.
I think that's what we've seen from the Giants, because

(38:08):
when you go man and man on the Giants, I
think the Giants can match up pretty much against anybody.
I mean, of course, they have a rash of injuries,
but you look at San Francisco and what they've got
at their players. They're backups, and they're competitive in their division,
they're competitive in the NFL. They're making a playoff push.
I just don't think that day ball, and I think
that's probably the main reason why that they win a

(38:29):
different direction because he didn't maximize the potential from this roster,
because it has a lot of potential here and you
have to get a guy that can figure out to
maximize potential. It's not about being smart, it's not about
exus and oh, it's not about execution for me. It's
about leadership and delegation.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
Leadership and delegation, and Mike Kafka's got a great opportunity. Javonni,
thank you so much for the colin. Thanks for calling
us back after that little hiccup too. It'll be a
great eight week stretch for Kafka, an eight week audition
to show what he's capable of. Such a late bye week,
whether I know, week fourteen bye week, but the good
thing is, seriously, I don't know. I don't know, but

(39:06):
I would rather have a late by week than an
early one. Imagine the team's like a week four week,
five by week. You're like just getting into the motion
of the season, and then you take a week off.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Well, you know what I was going to say, because
you got training camp and training camps four weeks, but
training camp.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
Really does also then exist, but you also have a
break over Labor Day. So there's there's training camp, and
then there's that little Labor Day kind of baby bye week,
and then the season starts. I feel like it has
the sweet spot is like Week ten eleven, but you.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Also have the Thursday games, which most teams have, right,
not every team has a Thursday game.

Speaker 5 (39:38):
A most team have Thursday game and a Monday game too, So.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I feel like if those can be I mean, they
never are coordinated correctly through the NFL, But if you
can have a sweet spot of a Thursday game early
in the season, and then maybe you can have.

Speaker 5 (39:53):
A Giants Week eleven. That's what happened with the Giants.
The Giants had that Thursday game against the Eagles, and
they had like little baby six six and then and
then they got the bye week Week fourteen, but then
played the.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Eagles again and then they put they gave up two
hundred and seventy six version yards.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
So why are you bringing up all the stuff?

Speaker 4 (40:12):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (40:14):
Were you playing defense?

Speaker 9 (40:15):
Did they put up fifty?

Speaker 5 (40:19):
Anyways, I digress speaking of playing defense, the Giants are
gonna have to against these Green Bay Packers who have
been on a bit of a sputter lately. They started
the season five to one and one, and we're out
the gate looking strong. They've lost the last two games
and you know, putting up less than fourteen points in
each of them, struggling to score offensively. So you know,

(40:41):
when you look at the way the Packers have been
playing recently, is it more the Packers struggling to score
or defensive you know, performances kind of stifling them?

Speaker 2 (40:52):
To me, looking at their life, the Giants play.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
On Sunday, we haven't really mentioned that much lately.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Really talk about the weather and jac giving up fifty too.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
Yeah, three different times so far that we've uncovered. We
will I'm sure find more.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
No, that's it. That's all I ever did. I think
they they they kind of lost their identity as an
offense a little bit.

Speaker 9 (41:13):
You know.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
I look at Josh Shacobs, number man, he only had
one game where he even approached being close to one
hundred yards. He's averaged only three point eight three point
nine yards to carry. And Jordan Love I think he
had his best game three weeks ago. In the last
two weeks he has his I think two worst games
of the year where he did it produce a passing

(41:34):
touchdown last week against the Eagles on Monday Night. Yes,
the Eagles have a really tough and nasty defense to
go up against, but they don't look the same as
they did earlier in the season. Even against that Dallas
game where they went into overtime it was a shootout,
the offense looked electric. I think Craft being out has
a lot to do with their trying to figure out

(41:56):
what they're gonna do next because he was an introcol
part of their offense and it kind of went through
him a little bit.

Speaker 5 (42:04):
Ability And when you look at the fact that Jordan
Love is this season having a career high in completion
percentage and passing touchdown to interception ratio and passer rating.
But in the last two games, both losses where the
Packers have scored fewer than fourteen points, he's got no
passing touchdowns and the passing game is you know, I
think in large part with losing, Craft has kind of

(42:24):
been depleted for Green Bay. Their defense has really kept
them in these games. Michael Parsons and that that defensive
units keeping things going for the Packards. That's going to
be a tough struggle, but it's also an interesting one
for that defense to prepare for with new head coach,
new quarterback, this Giants team. I mean that's you know,
you're kind of playing whackable, like who's going to be

(42:45):
ware or I don't know what we're looking for here.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, And the Packers number, I think it's about looking
at their record right now. If they can't score more
than thirteen, they lose the game, which is I mean,
it makes it makes a lot of sense. I thought
I was going to have this reveal of oh this
magic number. No, if you can't score thirteen points, you're
not gonna win any games. I mean the Packers, but

(43:08):
if their offense can't look the way it should look,
then it's very difficult for them to win the game
no matter what their defense does. Because their defense last
week held the Eagles to ten points and he lost.
And you think you hold a team to ten points,
you win the game. But their offense on the score seven.
And I know, I'm like, yeah, everybody knows that. But

(43:28):
it's something about what your identity is, right, And I
think their identity was their offense. It wasn't their defense.
It was you know what I mean, It wasn't their defense,
it was their offense. And when their offense is sputtering
and not scoring touchdowns, not being explosive, which because this
team is very explosive at Watson and even craft Craft
being out now and not in the run game though

(43:50):
at all in the run game.

Speaker 5 (43:52):
Which is so counterintuitive because you think, what you want
to get your offense going, you got to establish the
run and then that opens up the pass. But for
the pack it's like you established pass.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
And looking at how they went into the last couple
of weeks, it looks like they try to establish a
run early in games. With Jordan Love not touching the
ball as much, My question is is how they do
they approach this week with the Giants team that's ranked
what bottom three in terms of their rush defense. But
then the last couple of weeks for the Packers, they're

(44:23):
starting to run the football early didn't really work out
for them. So what do they do early in this game?
Do they start with a kind of high powered, attacking
the defense down the field type of game to open
up the run, or they try to establish a run
against a really suspect run defense in the New York
Giants to get Jordan Love going with the play action
game off of the run.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
Yeah, and styles win fights. And it's kind of curious
because the styles of both of these teams, I don't
even know what which version of them. We've seen so
many iterations of both of these teams already this season,
so it's kind of anybody's game on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Yeah, oh, one hundred percent. And that's the thing the
Giants and what the Giants have done this year. Yeah,
the record stinks, sure, two and eight.

Speaker 5 (45:04):
It's but they've been in it. I mean there's a
bizarro world in which the Giants are eight and two.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah, you know, I mean very bizarre.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
There's I mean very bizarre, but also there is an
alternate universe where they're like, you know, six and four.
And I think you look at some of these games
where the amount of times the Giants had it within
their grasp and then just slipped through like sand through
the fingertips.

Speaker 7 (45:26):
That you know.

Speaker 5 (45:28):
I mean, they have the talent, they have the ability,
can they finish And.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
We've we've spoke about this on hangouts prior week, especially
earlier in the season, when there was like a lot
of like the Giants looked different. Ye dark regime is here.
He's two and zero at home, and this team does
look different. This team has scored points, yeah last year
to Giants.

Speaker 5 (45:47):
Remember there was like a five year stretch where the
Giants couldn't get twenty points on the board. And now
it's like, all right, that that monkey's off the back.
But now there's other things.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
That there's a lot for other things that are plaguing
in a team. And just the ability to play football
in good situation of football, no matter what we're talking about.
That's what the Giants have to focus on. Every single
player has to come in to this room, to this
build and excuse me, and like I said before, having
a grateful attitude, you know, being grateful that you woke up,

(46:17):
being grateful that you are a part of a great
organization in New York Football Giants and giving it you're
all every single day, and then showing on Sunday there's
something that is not getting the most out of all
of these guys, you know. And of course everybody talked
about the banks and the Dexter Lawrence. The only reason
he said that is because Dexter has showed us his

(46:40):
greatness over the last few years, over the last several years,
we've seen his greatness and you're just not seeing the
greatness from him. He's still a good player, yes, not
as dominant as we've seen. And I think that's a
call to not just Dexter, but to all players in
the New York Giants who have showed us their competency,
who has showed us their greatness, I have showed us

(47:00):
their football playmaking ability. You have to be able to
show it on a consistent basis because.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
It's like, talent is what gets you there, and consistency
is what keeps you there. That's it, and that's true
for anything in life.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
And that goes for the coaching as well. Right, Dave
Ball won his first year nine to seven and one. Right,
Consistently not winning for a couple of years gets people
on the hot seat.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
Right, And again, there's so many elements too. I don't
want to say like, oh, it's all his fault. There's
so many pieces of some greatients that go into that. Yeah,
the team wasn't able to execute in that way, and
somebody's got it.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
For me, it's all about the players. Yeah, you know,
it comes down to you looking at yourself in the mirror,
you know. And that's the great thing about me being
part of this. Yeah, Like I never want to say, oh,
it's the coaches. I mean, it's collective effort to be
tu in eight for sure. Right, It's the players, the coaches,
general manager, it's the situational stuff. It's everything to get

(48:00):
to two and eight. One game here and there. You
could blame this player, you could blame this side of
the ball. But two and eight, that's a ten game
collective sample size.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
It's just not working.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
It's not working collectively. So the Giants felt like they
had to make a move. Okay, guys in the locker room, players,
now that you understand that what the states are, and.

Speaker 5 (48:21):
It raises the stakes for everyone to say, Okay, you
know what, nobody is just going to be complacent. If
the head guy is out the door. I gotta raise
my game because nothing is permanent, nothing is to be
taken for granted. Anybody can go.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
I said this the other day on hangouts, and I
stand on this because it was like a shocking thing
that happened. When I was playing football. Peyton Manny was
the best player in the league. He was an MVP
and he got cut. That's my job security as an
NFL player. And I used to tell people that, like
my job security is the best player just got cut
from his team, like a super Bowl winner, an MVP.

(49:00):
Fourth time, Yeah, four time MVP got cut And NFL
it is not for long. You have to produce this
team no matter who is on the roster. You have
to be able to produce, no matter the injuries, no
matter the coaching, you have to be able to produce.
So for me calling out all the players collectively.

Speaker 5 (49:19):
Just produce play some football, guys, doesn't we do on Sundays.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
That you have an opportunity to be not just here
for this great organization, but for the NFL in general.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
Yeah, let's crank through. We got a couple more calls
to get through. But the Giants official connected TV streaming app,
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five one three. Let's get to the phone lines. Henry
in Virginia, Virginia. There we go, I can read Henry.

(49:52):
How's it going, welcome to the show. Thank you, thank
you for calling, Thank you for holding.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Yeah, I've called a number of times before, so thank
you very much for taking my call. Can you still
hear me?

Speaker 8 (50:09):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Two coaching trees for the New York Giants, Okay have
won about seventeen championships including Super Bowls. Okay Parcels coaching
tree that goes along with Kaufman and Parcels Kaufman Belichick

(50:35):
and then the previous coaching tree going way back into
the early sixties and the fifties where you had Landry
Lombardy and I think it was Howard. Those two coaching
trees have won something like seventeen championships. And the key
thing and both those coaching trees was the structure of

(50:59):
the Ork organization, the structure that the coaches had in place.
And I remember very clearly it was Kaufman where his
attention to detail was so meticulous that if the meeting
was scheduled for two o'clock, you had to be in
the seat at one thirty or something along that line.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Minutes.

Speaker 7 (51:26):
It was.

Speaker 5 (51:27):
It wasn't.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Last thing, this one last name that with the ball.
He had never been a head coach. He had never
been a head coach, and I think that that was
what his area of need was. He had never been
a head coach. And it doesn't appear from what I'm
hearing that the structure was ever there to maintain or

(51:54):
to get to a higher level. Uh as far as
performance is concerned. So I'll just leave it at that.
Maybe y'all can comment on those things, all right, Thanks
for the.

Speaker 5 (52:04):
Call, Henry. Yeah, Dabile had never been a head coach,
Nor had Shermer or Judge or McAdoo prior, but nor
has Sean McVeigh. And look at well that worked out.
And you know, there's there's some guys that come in
and they you know, their first time at the first
crack at it, they works out great. And some guys,
you know, come in and they're like, all right, I
gotta let to learn and I'm gonna, you know, do

(52:24):
better next time. You know, you don't know what you
don't know. And there's more that goes into a head
coaching position than just knowledge of the game of football.
You could know the game quite well, can you teach it?
You can teach the game quite well. Can you navigate
logistics and personalities and egos and structure and scheduling and
coaching staffs and all the minutia and the clerical work

(52:46):
on top of the football. You know, it's like if
you want to start a business, you know, making T shirts.
Maybe you love making T shirts, but you don't love
taxes and bookkeeping and all the other stuff that comes
with it. That's head coaching. You know, you you're not
just making T shirts.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
But that's what I was saying earlier about leadership and delegation. Yeah, exactly,
that's exactly what you hit on. I could couldn't have
said it better than you, but I hear his point.
Though he does have a point. There is a lineage
of successful cultes that follows through those coaching trees, and
for me, those two points are hit. They have definitely

(53:24):
like leadership abilities, their traits is very high in that.
And if they're not the greatest offensive mine or defensive
mind delicate.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
I kind of think the coaching tree is given too
much credit. You know, Like, for example, we're broadcasters, right,
Bob Papa is the voice of the New York Giants.
Does that put me in the Bob Papa broadcast tree?
Does that make me as good of a broadcaster as
Bob Papa. Heck no, heck no. You put me in
a call a game, It is not going to be

(53:55):
as good as Bob Papa just because I work with
him and I'm around him and see what he is
capable of doing. I'm not Bob Papa.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Yea.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
And so I think so often we put these coaching
trees together and say, well, this guy worked with that
guy and saw that guy on a daily basis, so
must be just as good.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
No.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
I mean, maybe you pick up a couple tips here
and there, but you're still your own person. You're still
your own style of coach or broadcast or what have you.
And I think, you know, yes, it's great to have
somebody you respect who might vouch for that person, but
that doesn't mean that, you know, getting somebody in the
tree of a Belichick or a whomever is going to

(54:35):
be a carbon copy of that coach.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
No, I agree, But then again, I played for three
of the Parcels Disciples. Sure won two Super Bowls, Sure
we have two of that.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
Yes, but also they happen to be Parcels Disciples, but
also in their own right, I mean, they weren't carbon
copies of Parcels, right, they were each individually good in
their own way, but happened to also have come up.
You know, you go to the Williard School of Dance,
you're gonna be one of the best dancers in the world.
You're not going to be exactly the same as everyone there,
but it is a high standard. And so yes, there

(55:08):
is a standard to be set with, you know, a
coaching tree type of assess.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
And I think the point that you're making is they're
trying to recreate those old trees exactly like the Sean
McVay tree is like, what is that? What is that?
Sean McVay?

Speaker 5 (55:23):
Why does everyone have a tree?

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Right? When people some people just stand alone on their own,
their lone wolves. It doesn't have a history, vegetable history
doesn't have to repeat itself. It doesn't have to be
another tree that has this wave throughout the NFL that
has coach in every single division and conference. It doesn't
have to follow that. But can't take away from the
Bill Parks.

Speaker 5 (55:46):
Street right, listen, real ones. No, I mean, I'm gonna
defer to you on that one.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
And I know that I got Peyton, Bilichick and Coughlin. Yeah, yeah,
those are literally the one of the three of the
greatest coaches of all time.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
Absolutely, But I argue that they're great because they're great coaches,
not because they coached with Parcels, but they happened to
because they coached with Barcels and maybe learned a few
things from him and maybe got a little nod of, hey,
this is a guy that you should consider from a
guy that has earned that respect. Then it works. But
I think the baseline of oh, well, this guy coached

(56:21):
with that guy doesn't necessarily make him automatically an elite
member of the tree.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
You know, Yeah, no, I got you. I think it
just and I'm just talking about this par Sales tree
in particular. He had just a different way of handling things.
And it's really not you don't really see that anymore.
It's the old school style of coaching that people say, oh,
that's the old school style. That's kind of a Bill
Parsales way. That way is far gone.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
Oh yeah, that is not the way that in the
era of social media and nil and players come in
in with a whole different grasp of you know, the
game and the business and all that. I mean, you
kind of have to evolve a little bit.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Oh no, yeah. I mean football should evolve, you know,
with the times, and they are all of them. We're
going in different countries and continents.

Speaker 5 (57:03):
Yeah. Got a Madrid game this weekend. M h mamos.
All right, well more called to a one nine three
nine four five one three. Who got Marcus in California
on the line, Marcus, Thanks for calling in, Thanks for
holding on Big Blue Kickoff Live.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
Hey, how you guys done?

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Good?

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Are you?

Speaker 4 (57:18):
I'm all right, man, I got my my rant hops
on don at Howard, So the sparity, guys.

Speaker 8 (57:25):
Just a couple questions, I guess j C. As far
as defense at the end of the game against the
Bears last week, what was that dual Carter doing on
his knee for like three seconds after the snap and
then popping up like surprise here I am.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
It was like the last driver or something.

Speaker 8 (57:43):
And then my other question is just.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
What do you guys see that would say that the
team has made progress in the last seven games that
we're about to have to sit through. I mean, you
already hit the point where I think we're scoring six
more points a game this year than last year, which
I thought was progress.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
And I do feel like the.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
Offense has given like has started out with the lead
every game that Jackson Dart has started. So I kind
of put it on the defense that has like you know,
if you go out there with the lead, you should
never like release it.

Speaker 6 (58:19):
So this would be.

Speaker 5 (58:22):
Yeah, I mean if somebody got a lead never released
it there, Yeah they watch football or sprits sports would
lose all, you know.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
But you know what I mean, like, oh, two times
they had a lead, how could the defense give it up?
Like we literally were pitching a shutout in Denver, and
it seems like as soon as the shutout was no
longer viable then like it seems like this team just
gave up for four weeks. They're like, oh, well we
almost shut out Denver for you know, forty eight forty

(58:53):
nine minutes, and then we're just going to give up
one hundred and fifty points. Like it just seems weird
to me. So I just like, basically, really, all I
really want to know is what you guys think would
be progressed for the next seven weeks, you know, and
then why you think Abdul was on his knees like that,
Like it just seems weird that it's a weird play call,

(59:14):
and I think that we don't do like try to
do one thing great and then build off of that.
I just feel like they get too cute right off
the bat, and it's just it just seems odd to me.
So but thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 5 (59:28):
Of course, thanks for calling Marcus. I think I know
the player referring to with Abduel, and I think it
was just he was slow to get up, you know,
and then he was just like, all right, I'm here,
I'm good, I'm ready to go.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (59:38):
Yeah, I don't I don't know that there was much
to that, but I mean to be honest too.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
And eight, if you could win a couple of games,
you know, and I say a couple of games, it's
just the Giants and it's they're trending down, you know,
and you want that trend to go up. It doesn't
doesn't mean that wins are coming, but you want to
be able to finish games better, be better a situational
football special teams need to be more consistent. Defense has

(01:00:06):
to slow somebody down. Yeah, you know, with the guys
that they have, they have to do a better job
against the run and finish games. So for me, I
would be you know better if the games were more
competitive at the end in terms of the Giants even
pushing to win games from being down or holding onto
leeds latent games, because that's what we just haven't seen
from the Giants.

Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
Yeah, you want to see. I mean, I think when
you're talking about Marcus, what it looks like to improve,
I think finishing games, finishing games, finishing plays, finishing tackles,
finishing all of it is a big point of emphasis
around this building and around you know, this locker room.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Yep, that's it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
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