Big Blue Kickoff Live 11/6 I Key Matchups vs Chicago

John Schmeelk and Jonathan Casillas preview key matchups vs Chicago, talk about the defense, and take calls from fans.
0:00 - Key Matchups
22:17 - Calls
28:44 - The trade deadline
40:06 - the defense
51:19 - More calls

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number here. We'll talk some Giants football with you. Giants
JAC getting ready to take on the Chicago Bears. The
Bears come into this game just over five hundred, they're
at five and three. Giants come into this game at
two and seven and JAC when I took a deeper
look at the Bears. And by the way, before we
get into this, let me just say one thing before

(01:05):
we start. Just terrible news out of Dallas this morning
with Marshawn neland apparently committing suicide if the police reports
are accurate. And you know, you had two teammates on
that team, Solomon Thomas and Dak Prescott, who had family
members that double suicide as well. They both have you know,
Dak where's the thing? Ask for help on his wristbands

(01:25):
all the games and Solomon Thomas as a foundation with
the hotline for help. So guys, if someone that you
know that you think needs some help, just ask them
how they're doing. So, it's just awful news. Down there's
just twenty four years old, second round pick last year,
a good football player, but better person for what everyone
says about them. So just just awful news down there.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
From it, it's terrible news, man. And I literally just
heard on a way in about the reason why saw
the news this morning, man, And it's just terrible, man.
And you know, I'm very concerned, man, because I've had
the four teammates from tamp passed away, you know, Doug
Martin being the last one, and Kneeling and mental health

(02:05):
is so rough right now, and I don't know what
to even say about it.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Smelt man, I don't He's anything. I don't think he's
anything to say. Just you know, if you just ask
people you love how they're doing, yeah for sure, and
see if they need help. Yeah, I don't. I don't
know what else to say besides that it's just awful
news and it's thanks. It really does. Anyway, we're here
to talk football, so that's what we'll do. As I
was saying, Giants head into this game two and seven,
JC Bears head into this game at five and three.

(02:33):
And the Bears so far this year, they've beaten some
teams that, frankly are not very good. They've beaten the
Dallas Cowboys. They've beaten the Las Vegas Raiders. They've beaten
the Washington Commanders, They've beaten the New Orleans Saintan they've
beaten the Cincinnati Bengals. Not one of those teams over
five hundred. All of them are at least two games
under five hundred. So I'm not quite sure what the

(02:54):
Bears are. Here's what I do know. Offensively, they they
are an explosive team. They make a lot of big plays.
They have a dynamic quarterback that can make plays off
schedule and on schedule. They have a very talented wide
receiver corps. They have a couple of good tight ends.

(03:15):
They have two good running backs DeAndre Swithmiss. Last week,
they didn't skip a beat with Kyle Munny guy Ben Johnson.
Their head coach is one of the better offensive coaches
in the National Football League. Here's a lot of under
center stuff, a lot of play action, run it, throw
it down the field. They're a very very good team.
Folks that are fifth in the NFL in plays of

(03:36):
over twenty yards this year, and they do it through
the run, they do it through the pass. So JC
this is a Giants defense that has had issues giving
up explosive plays. So that's where I think I start
in this game, just because of the way the Bears
are and the Giants are gonna have to slow them down,
especially in the run game. They like to run the
perimeter too and prevent some of those explosive plays.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
This week, they ran the ball I think thirty seven times.
Last week and a couple of weeks ago they ran
the ball forty times. So this is a team that
wants to establish that physical presence, and they have a
quarterback who can make all the throws. You know, he
was the number one pick for a reason. He's very
creative in the pocket. You know, he can deliver the
ball down for the extends plays to six, seven, eight

(04:20):
seconds and creates opportunities downfield. And he's willing to throw
those deep balls. And they have capable wilde receivers. I
know on Donze's on a questionable list. Swift is a
really good running back. He was out the last couple
of weeks. Manung guy didn't skip a beat downhill, very
physical running back, not really on the outside. That's more
of the perimeter runs that Ben Johnson puts together for

(04:42):
the receivers and Brown and what's the receiver name you
Zakias as well? Yeah, I said, I said Brown. I
met Dj Moore and Zakias on the outside. But non
guy's a downhill running back, a very physical guy. Got
his first touchdown last week. A Rutgers guy too, just
a couple of years.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
I really like him coming out. He's a good player.
He's low center gravity, he's got good quick side to side.
He's not the fastest guy in the world, not the
most powerful guy in the world, but he goes out
to get yards in fine space.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, I mean, you could have deceived me with that
powerful because he looks very powerful, right, he runs through guys.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
He's a physical wunner for sure.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
It puts his head down and gets those extra tough
yard yards. And you know this, this offense can be
very dangerous, you know, especially when their defense starts to
take the take the ball away like they did in
the Saints game. You know, they rolled off I think
four wins straight until the Ravens put them in their
place a little bit. But this is a team, man
that that's an opportunistic team. They find a way to

(05:36):
get the football in their hands on defense with interceptions,
tripping the ball out. They have some really good pass rushers.
So the Giants will have their handful this week up
in Chicago.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
All right, So let's go to the defensive side of
the ball, and I think you hit it, and we'll
get to their weaknesses in a second way. I think
the Giants can attack them. But on defense where they're dangerous,
JC and you said it. It's their turnover differential. They're
plus thirteen the National Football League. They're number one in takeaways.
They've teen interceptions and I believe six fumble recoveries. Going
off the top of my head, I can double check

(06:04):
that number, but I believe that's correct, and they know
how to go after the football. They'll play a variety
of coverages. They play a fair amount of man to man,
but they'll play a lot of Zone two, a lot
of Cover two, a lot of single high stuff as well,
So they'll really mix it up on defense in terms
of what they're trying to do. They are a little
banged up in the secondary. And look, we sow what
the Bengals did them last week. Joe Flako threw for

(06:26):
four hundred and seventy yards. Let me say that number again,
four hundred and seventy yards. That's a ridiculous stunt loss.
And they still manage to lose because they're the Bengals.
And look, we'll get to the weaknesses in a second,
but first and foremost, jaysay, what are the characteristics of
a team like the Bears? And I'm sure if you
watch them that are good at taking the ball away?

(06:48):
What are the Giants have to be careful of?

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Well, I mean, first of all, the middle linebacker has
four interceptions, so you know that tells me he's a guy.
I mean, he has a lot of experience in this league.
I don't know what year he's in, but he's been
in the league for a significan amount of time and
he's a very good player. And when you have a
team that runs a significant amount of zone, that usually
equates to a lot of eyes on the quarterback, which

(07:10):
more guys, more opportunities for guys to get their hands
on the football for interceptions, and Tremaine Emmas does a
good job in playing that middle read. He's does a
good job and route recognition. So in situations like that,
the receivers on offense have to do a good job
and not only catching the ball but coming back to
the football because these guys are in zone coverage and

(07:31):
they understand how to break downhill against some of these
routes and these route concepts. So the Giants have to
do a good job and you know, being on time
in the passing game, getting the ball where it's supposed
to be at A lot of these interceptions come from
poorly thrown footballs on the back hip, maybe overthrows right.
So accuracy with Jacksonville, I don't think struggles with I
think he has he's a he's a pretty accurate quarterback,

(07:54):
timing though late passes they can be interception. Overthrown passes
can be intercepted. And the things that I think they
do a good job on is getting their hands on
a football at the line of scribbage. This is a
team that can do several different things to be able
to create the takeaways. And they have a pretty good
pass rush with a couple of guys as well.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Now, while they're good at that and on offense, they're
good at getting explosive plays. On defense, well, they give
up a fair amount of explosive plays. And I think
this is what you have to look for for the
Giants here. When you look at how they're going to
take advantage of this Bears defense here, JC you look good.
Their pass rusher is not that impressive. They're twentieth in
the NFL and pressure percentage their twentieth and sack rate.

(08:32):
They will blitz to try to create pressure. Montes Sweat
is their best pass rusher. I think we'll probably see
him a lot on Marcus Bowl this week. If Jermaina
Luminor cannot go. His power against Marcus Bow does honestly
give me some concern. It's a big, powerful guy, But
they don't have you know, they have Diuel Dingbo, Dominique Robinson,
Austin Booker outside, Girvon Dexter and Grady Jarrett are good

(08:53):
defensive tackles. They're not world beaters, so they're not gonna
put a ton of pressure on you. And in the
back end, Tyreek even has had his issues. Naseean Wright
is a guy that couldn't make the Cowboys secondary. Have
you seen the Cowboys secondary play this week? That's a problem.
Nick McCleod, Giants fan should be very familiar with him.
He's their nickelback. They have CJ. Goardner Johnson back there.

(09:14):
Kevin Bayern is a good veteran safety that we didn't
practice yesterday. And Jakwan Brisker is a good young playmaker
at safety. But this is not a game to me, JC,
where you're gonna be able to throw a bunch of
short passes and get run after catch. This is gonna
be a game where you're gonna have to challenge downfield.
To me, the Giants wide receivers and if you watch
that game last week, Joe Flacco just trusted as wide

(09:38):
receivers to win down the field and he put the
ball out there and they made plays. Whether it's Yushibas Higgins,
Jamar Chase go down the list. This is gonna be
on the Giants wide receivers to beat these Chicago corners
down the field and make those big plays. It's not
gonna be a checkdown game. This is not gonna be
small chunk plays type of games for the Giants offense.

(09:59):
They are only do you have to get chunk plays
through the air if they want to win this game?

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, one hundred percent, And Jackson Dart's willing to do so.
You know, I feel like since he's been you know,
in the helm of starting quarterback, he's thrown that ball
downfield very consistently. H he Man, he's a very impressive kid.
But the guys got to come down with the ball. Man.
I think the last show we did, the Tino counted
nineteen drops and then I don't know how many drops
so it was in last game. But you got to

(10:25):
add at least two to that total. And the guys
got to come down to come down with those plays. Man.
You don't have a lot of opportunities to catch touchdown pass.
You don't have a lot of opportunities to catch beautifully
thrown balls over the defender's arms. You know, they come
you know, a couple times a year. Dart is going
to be a guy that's going to put you in
a good situation. But you have to be able to
come down with the ball. And that's the recipe. It's

(10:46):
it's less about Chicago, It's that's about Sam Francis. More
about what the Giants are doing, you know. So I
look at the ways they can attack some of these teams,
and it's like they have opportunities to do it, but
they they self implode. They hit theirself, you know, shoot
themselves in the foot, Their defense gets out leveraged, the
missing tackles, and then of course as the game goes on,
they kind of get weary a little bit. And you know,

(11:07):
the whole E word has been thrown out at all
the players this week about the lack of effort, and
I'm not gonna say it's the effort. But as the
games go on, people get a little tired, people get
a little frustrated, people get a little complacent. And you
see that play happening more and more and more with
this Giants team. So I'm not looking at how they're
going to attack this this Bears defense or what the

(11:29):
defense is gonna do against the Bears offense is can
the Giants do play mistake free football? Can they stop
beating themselves? Can they stop preventing those guys to run
downhill on them? Can they stop preventing the miss gaps
and gap integrity to be an issue on the defense,
because I haven't seen them improve on that. We said
that as a problem weeks ago. We said that the

(11:50):
Saints game. We said that the first Philadelphia game in
which they won, and then it was a big problem
the second field of the game. It's a big problem
in the Denver game in the fourth quarter, and it
was a big problem last week. They have to do
better on a thing that's hurt them this season, to
improve because this Bears team, man, no matter what you
look at it, they're finding a way to win some
of these games. And that's what really matters, all right.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
And now those look at the Bears offense where I
think the Giants can attack a little bit, and then
we'll get to your calls at two on one nine three, nine,
four five one three we talked about their explosiveness. Agree,
there are two things here that I think we can
look at here for the Giants. JC that they can attack.
They're starting an undrafted free agent from twenty twenty four
at left tackle, theo Bennettt. He's taken over over the

(12:30):
course of this year at that spot. They also have
Ozzie Tripolo coming off. He's a second round pick this year,
but he's more of a right tackle than a left tackle.
So they're really in a situation here where you can,
I think, attack that left tackle spot, whether that's Abdual Carter,
whether that's Brian Burns, whether that's Keevon Thibadeau. I think
you can attack that left tackle spot a little bit.
And then here's a good stat for you that you'll like.

(12:52):
If the season ended today in the next gen stats era,
which I believe either goes back to twenty seventeen or
twenty nineteen, if the season ended today, Caleb Williams would
have the longest average time to throw in the next
gen stat era. And when you watch the games and
you watch the tape, it it looks right. He holds
the ball, he dances around. Now, he's really good at

(13:14):
avoiding sacks. He's elusive back there. He's quick, he's got
good instincts. He's very tough to bring down. But if
I'm the Bears and I'm Ben Johnson and I'm talking
to my quarterback this week, JC as the athletic and
elusive as is, I'm not betting that against Brian Burns
an Abdul quarter those guys will figure out a way
to get to you and bring you down. So to me,

(13:36):
that's the area where even though the Bears have not
taken a ton of sacks this year, they've actually done
a pretty good job. They're eighth in the league in
terms of sack rate allowed, which is really good. But yeah,
I haven't faced many pass rushes like the Giants. So
I think if you can force him to hold the
ball a little bit, if you're the secondary, don't let
him get the ball out quick, I think this Giants
rush should be able to get home and eventually bring

(13:58):
down Caleb Williams. So to me, if you want the
for a weakness on the offense that you can attack, that.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
To me is it see But you see it as
a weakness, and I think the Bear see it as
a strength for them because he's not getting sacked, he
is getting some positive yards when he extends to play,
and then that that's it's big play potential on the
back end because you're covering for five six seven seconds,
which I've seen, you know. I turn on that tape
and I watched last week, and he is running around
in the pocket, you know, and sometimes he's getting a

(14:24):
ball downfield. Sometimes he take a sack. Sometimes he's getting
a one two yard game.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
How about that throw the DJ Morey made.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
I mean, he's bro. Listen, this kid is incredible, Like
he makes some talent is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
He makes throws and you're like, how did he do that?
Then there are other throws that are easy throws and
he's like airmail, want to buy five yards? So he's
a little all over the place.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
He is a guy who will make one of the
most spectacular throws you will see on the run and
then in the pocket he would fall down or do
something ridiculous and you're just like, how is this the
same player? But the big play potential with him is
up there with the best of them in the league.
You know, he's he gets creative as he looks down
on the field. He can put the ball into places
where it needs to be put. When he's able to

(15:04):
extend plays, That's why it's like it could be an advantage,
but it could be a big disadvantage because you're asking
some guys for the New York Giants that haven't played
significant football on the back end, because the Giants are
so beat up on defense, especially on the back on
the back seven, because you could throw the linebacker position
in there as well. The Giants are down to their
third middle linebacker, and you know that's a problem. I

(15:24):
see that the Giants can you know, give up a
big sixty yard play to one of these really good
wide receivers that Chicago has because Kaylen Williams and all
of his doctor Jackal and mister high stuff, the I
don't know if it's mister Hyde. He's very dangerous when
he's able to extend the play, especially when he gets
outside the pocket. Man, he's a guy that can make

(15:44):
all the throws and these receivers understand that and they're
going deep.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
No, you're absolutely right, and it's it's dangerous and you
have to be careful of those. You know, when we
talk about the off schedule plays with Jackson Dart right, well,
Kayla Williams, is that like times five, Yeah, for sure,
like dark and do things and Dart does some pretty
cool things. Well, Kayla Williams. And this is why he
was the first off four pick up the draft, right
because he can do amazing things. So you mentioned that,

(16:09):
jac And before we get to the calls, we should
go over the injury report very quickly. I'm gonna look
to see if we have anything from Brian Dable usually
does a quick stop with reporters on Tuesdays to see
if anything came out today. Let's see. I don't see
anything from Dan Salomon. Let's see if our guy Datino
has anything for the press conference today. Just see if

(16:30):
anything is new in terms of the injury report, flat
events and protocol, waiting for clearance to play, Andrew Thomas
getting a load date today?

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Why did that happen?

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Flodd and Holland coming. Looks like they're on their way
to possibly coming back to this week. So I imagine
everyone else is pretty much the same as yesterday, which
I'll just give you the injury report from yesterday. Then
no Pulse and a debo that's a big one. Yeah, No,
Darius Musau to your point, that's also important. I assume
we'll see a lot of flying and fouls in that spot.
Then no John Michael SCHMIDTZ And this is again yesterday's

(17:08):
injury report. Folks. No Chauncey Golston again, Graham gonno with
a neck. Gobriel did talk today, said they'll take that
to the end of the week here where he's at,
and they don't. He didn't even commit to who the
kicker would be if you couldn't go. No Jamine Luminor again.
I mentioned that earlier it would be Marcus bow get
a right tackle. Chard d mccaj did not practice the shoulder,
So js Flott and Holland if they can come back,
big deal. Yeah, but no debo. No Darius Mooss Allen.

(17:33):
I know mus Alas had some not so great moments
this year. I don't know about you. When you watched
the game back. I felt it when he left the game.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Oh for sure, Yeah, for sure. I mean to be honest,
you know, muis like you said, he has his ups
and downs, but he is a guy that I feel
like has kind of fit into that role at understanding
what the middle linebacker position means. But for me, Man
and I saw him. I saw him last week Man
forty one for the Giants. He's a really good ball player.

(18:03):
The middle linebacker for the Giants. He's a really good
linebacker and they really.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Miss him because it was always in the gap that
just supposed to be he.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
He really understands that middle linebacker what it means to
be the hammer, you know. And I feel like even
Muissau he doesn't truly understand that, you know, because summertimes
he's making tackles, but they're a little bit too far
down the field. He's not downhill and nothing, or.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
He doesn't get to a spot and he'll get blocked
and before.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
He gets that, and you're and you're seeing that, and
a lot of that comes with youth, you know. And
that's my concern with this Giants defense, with all of
the guys that you know at the top of the roster,
those guys being out. You have young guys who you
know have potential, but sometimes they're just a step a
little too slow, They're a step a little too wide,
and that creates big plays. Man, Because these running backs

(18:48):
throughout the NFL, no matter what team, they're very talented
and they will find that crease. They will find when
you're out leveraged. They will find the two guys in
one gap and get to the other gap that's open.
And that's what you're seeing from the Giants very consistently, man,
and that's very concerning for me.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
And then for the Bears, again, I don't have anything
from them today yet, but DJ warn when we Donesday,
did not practice yesterday. Now, they didn't practice on Wednesday
last week either. Both guys played in the game. Now
today wasn't very effective in the game, but he did
play in the game. Grady Jarrett had a veteran's day. TJ.
Edwards did not participate. Kevin Bayer, there's very talented safety
who does get some takeaways. He did not participate. Cole

(19:22):
Kmet Kalmanong, Guy DeAndre Swift, Roshawn Johnson. They were all limited.
And then Luther Burden looks like he's on his way
back off from a concussion. So again, both teams banged up.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
But it's that time of the year, Smill.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
You know these are the dog days, a little bit
of November.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Right, yep, for sure. Did they have their bye weeknd
the Bears, Yes, they had their bye week, but this
is we're past a halfway point, you know. The I
mean complimentary you could say with the injury reports pretty
much similar in terms of how many people are participating,
how many people are limited participation, you know, And it's
really when we do this show, we do it on Thursday,

(19:58):
it's like, you really don't I don't know who's gonna
play in the game. No, we don't, don't, you know,
And you won't really have an indication until kickoff, you know.
And that's the rough part about being on this side
at this time of the year, because you want to
prepare a certain way for a certain player, but you
don't really know if they're gonna play. So that's a
rough part. But it's a you know, it's a league

(20:19):
of you know, who can win with attrition? You know,
who could win with the guys that are going down,
who could replace those guys? Guys step up the next
man mentality, you know, and the Giants have to do
a better job at that man because you see a
guy go out and there's a big drop off man
and the next guy coming in, and you know, it's
not really like that all around the league. You know,
you look at San fran last week, Sam Fraan missing

(20:40):
their starting quarterback or start middle linebacker, starting pass rusher,
and they're still finding ways to win. Games Man, So
the Giants have to do a better job in responding,
and guys that are coming in and stepping up, and
the guys that are healthy and the guys that the
Giants rely on to make plays, they got to show
up on Sunday Man.

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(22:03):
then it's PHO in Montreal? Pio? What's up?

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (22:07):
What's up?

Speaker 5 (22:08):
Guys?

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Man?

Speaker 6 (22:09):
Yeah, listen, guys, I am a fan of the show,
first time caller, and I love the Giants.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Thanks Po. What do you gott?

Speaker 6 (22:22):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (22:22):
I want to say something about Jackson Darty because I
think Jackson Dart is the best quarterback that the Giants
I've got.

Speaker 6 (22:35):
Since Eli Manning. But uh, we need a better coach man,
We need a better coach man.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Come on, guys, do you me.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
Go?

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Pio? What I would say is that you got to
give the coach you say, have credit for having a
rookie playing at this levels early in his career. So
I think that's the first thing you have to talk
about a little bit here, right Jase?

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah? Absolutely. I mean and Debo was the one that
went ahead, and you know, vouch for him and jump
back into their first round to get him in because
he jumped back in the first round.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
And by the way, and by the way, it wasn't
just Dable. If Joe Shane didn't also and po if
Joe Shane also didn't believe in, they wouldn't drafted for
So I think people like Well Shane didn't want and
they just drafted because of Dable. That's not how this works, right,
So just f y. I like Joe Shane liked the
player too, But but I've seen that online and.

Speaker 6 (23:33):
I'll leave you guys with this. I'll leave you guys
with this.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
Do you really think that this coaching stat.

Speaker 6 (23:42):
And this uh Jerealmiger will survive this season?

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Thank you, pe appreciate the call.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
That's a good question.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
I don't. I don't think we're gonna get anything during
the year. I would be very supposed by that. And
after the season, that's the decision ownership is gonna have
to make. We don't know. I'm not going to comment
on people's job status here in the building. I see
them in the cafeteria. I don't feel that's our role here.
I don't feel comfortable doing it, just because I know
these guys and they're my friends, so I'm not I'm
not going to talk about their job status. I understand

(24:12):
why fans would would would think about that. If you
guys have a call and you want to give your
opinion off, that's absolutely fine, that's great. That's a decision
that you know, the Marintige families will make when the
season's over.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
And I just think that no matter how the rest
of the season goes, you know, and the fans are
going to be doing it. And I know you hear it, John,
and I'm hearing it too. I just don't think John's
trying to make a decision during the season because it's like,
all right, let's say we do they do move on,
who's the guy to come in and be the interim coach.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
They don't have any of a ton of head.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Coaching experience, you know, so that's a huge up.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
And then you're pulling the rugout on your rookie quarterback
that you're trying to develop too.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
So I has a great relationship with the head coach, correct.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah, So I'm not sure that makes a ton of
sense in terms of him being the guy that is
the next best quarterback after Eli Manning. Well, you've only
had like one since then, so it's not like there's
like a long list of guys you're comparing him to.
I don't think you're putting, you know, Jake from Mike
Glennon Boyle on that list and the other guys. And
Tyrov is a good player when he was here, obviously,
but look and Drew Locke, but we don't know yet.

(25:13):
And look, I always try to be levelheaded about these things,
good or bad, and it drives people nuts when I
do it, and people are like, oh, fire, this guy,
this player stinks. And I'm my guys, you gotta be patient,
you gotta wait. So I'm gonna be consistent. I'm gonna
say the same thing about the quarterback that everyone wants
to put a gold jacket on the noiight right away,
right what you've seen has been promising. What Jackson Dart

(25:34):
struggles with is things a lot of quarterbacks struggle with,
and you can get better at those things. And I
would expect that he would get better at those things.
He has shown a number of instinctual things that I
think are hard to teach JC pocket awareness, creativity, keeping
your head up, not letting the rush mess with you
on the way you're seeing the field that I think
portends great things for his future. But look, we've seen

(25:56):
full seasons from quarterbacks like a CJ. Strattu a great
rookie year, and then it's kind of falling apart since then,
So we have to see what this looks like long term.
I think right now you feel good about it. You
continue to develop him, You hope he can become that
guy that can be your next, you know, franchise quarterback
for ten to fifteen years. But even you know coach
Dable and Jackson Darnall tell you there's still a lot

(26:17):
to work on. This is not a finished product here, right,
and again you feel good about it, But I don't
think we know quote unquote know anything yet for sure.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah. I mean, I just think that the things that
you listed off are intangibles and when you look at
a quarterback and the reason why they have success for
a prolonged period of time because if y, of course
they have the good arm strength, they could throw the
football very well. They might be fast, they might not
be fast, they have great pocket awareness, but it's all
the intangibles that make a really good quarterback good for
a prolonged period of time, and he's showing those things, right,

(26:48):
the leadership ability that he shows as a young guy
who's played in what seven games now is just seven
games for him that he's played in six maybe seven
to six.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Right, play nine games and Russ played the first three
he played his first star was against the Chargers.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
Right.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
My daughter she hates when I do it because now
that I understand why the kids do it, I do
it all the time. I'm so terrible.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
It doesn't make any sense. First.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Oh no, that's the thing. It doesn't stupid. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
So now after our flag football season, the falls kids
in the past month, when we would do the you know,
team hands in at the end, they do the six
to seventh thing at.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
The end, they break it down.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
They break it down on six seven.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
No, I just like it. I was doing something here
last night. The best part the Jets at the stadium ahead.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Last game of the year. I did not let them
do it them. I don't know we're doing team names. Sorry,
I'm not doing.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Because last night we was at the stadium myself, Shawn,
I had a couple of other Giants, couple couple of
Jets players too, and one of the kids. He was like,
you know, how long do I got to sit off for.
I was like, I don't know, like like six or
seven plays and you see all the kids turn around
like this. I love it, man. It gets me hyped up,
and like I didn't understand it at first, and my

(28:01):
daughter was like, Dad, you just don't get it. And
then I just realized, like, it's not for us to
get No, it's not for us again, and that's the thing,
that's why they like it so much.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
It is not for us to get right.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
So that just embraced it. Now my is like, oh
my gosh, Dad, you're gonna do this again.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
And You're like, yeah, because it annoys you. And if
you didn't show that it annoyed you, I wouldn't keep
doing it. Exactly It's exactly right. Maybe maybe I should
take that tact and.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Oh yeah, oh for sure, they do it to us.
You're learning, you're learning.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
I'm getting that.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
You get that.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
All right, Let's go to a line too, Damien. Manhattan's
up next, Damien, what's going on?

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Man?

Speaker 4 (28:38):
I want to vent I'm frustrated with the lack of
GM moves, I guess. So there's some bus on this roster,
and you know they're they're not the first bus and
they won't be the last. But the thing is, like,
why don't we move on from some of these guys?
You know, Like why don't we trade? Why don't we
make trades? It's like when you when you do it

(28:59):
bet on a part right on the app. Every once
in a while, cash out option comes and this cash
out option every off season goes lower and lower, and Shane,
he's going for broke on these on these guys.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Well, Damien, can you be specific on on he you're
talking about specifically?

Speaker 4 (29:15):
So, like, all right, so Neil Banks, Hyatt specifically, the
one that really gets me is Banks because off Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Go ahead, Yeah, I'm gonna ask you a question. If
you are another NFL team, what would you give up
to those three players? Right?

Speaker 4 (29:31):
So I don't, I don't, I don't really know, right,
but I will take a fifth for Banks?

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Well yeah, well, okay, Well that's great. Do you think
another team would at this point give that up for him?

Speaker 4 (29:41):
Right? So I'm not talking about at this point specifically,
Like the week leading up to the opening week, I
was calling this line, and I couldn't get in like
the entire week, and I wanted to say, like the
moment Flop and Banks are an open competition, I wouldn't
even let the word get out. I would try to
trade Banks, and and you know, I was open to

(30:02):
trading Flop too. In hindsight, would have been great to keep, right,
It's good that we kept him, but Banks would have
gave you a bigger returning flop. And like as soon
as they're an open competition, I wouldn't even let word
get out, I would trade him then.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
And there you know, well, Damien, Damian, I I completely
hear what you're saying. Let me play Devil's advocate a
little bit with you here. The Giants last week ran
out a bunch of players in the defensive backfield, one
of which wasn't even on this team opening day. So

(30:35):
I understand you want to you know, if you if
you trade Deontaey Banks, what better player do you have
available that's going to be able.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
To play in the off season.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
No, I understand, but those fre agents aren't available in
August though. No, but those those fragents aren't available on August.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
And also, look, Banks is a he's a very young player,
you know, and it's it's kind of a sin give
up on a young player, you know, like all all
young players struggle in the NFL. Some people have higher
ways of struggling, some people don't struggle too much, right,
And I think everybody struggles as their young players, and
they will get better as they progress. And if you
give up on them after one or two years, like

(31:14):
what type of you know, organization are you running? You're
just giving up on players that early, especially when it's
invested so much in it. And I hear your point
about getting some value for him. That's why you could
have did it at the beginning of season. But you
get rid of him, then where's the depth You need depth?
You need depth, You need good player and you want
to get a good draft.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
And you're not going to find someone with as much
natural talent as him and Damon I think, and I
think the two things I'll say is that they would
they hoped that the change in defensive back coach would
help him. We haven't seen that. And the other thing
you talk about all once he's in an open competition,
then you should just dealt him. I think you put
him in an open competition to light some fire under him.
I think that's and and I think Jason can speak

(31:55):
to this better than me, because I think you want
to tell the him, Look, dude, you better get your
you know what together, although you are going to be
out the door. And I think that's JC why you
do that, right.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
That's exactly why you do it, you know, every year
almost like almost like I can't hear you if I'm talking,
and vice versa. So I was an undrafted guy. I
was always like, not last on the depth chart, but
I was lower on the depth chart everywhere I've been.
Even when I came here, me and j T Thomas
had the battle for the starting job. It made us better.
For sure. I was you know, JT wasn't a high

(32:25):
drafted guy. He was like, I think fourth and fifth round.
I was an undrafted guy. But it made us better
battling at practice, and we became great friends because of that.
And we've had good careers. I've had good career. I
had a good career, you know, and you just can't
move on past the guy. And then at this point
in the season, is like the guys that you name,
what value do they have for the Giants? Now you're
just getting rid of a depth piece that could possibly

(32:46):
have some type of you know, spark this year. Because
these guys are all young guys still, and I think
they still have bright futures in front of them. We
just haven't seen it maximized quite yet.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Go Aheadaviian, Yeah, no, I hear what you guys are saying.
It's just a big signal because you know it's all
a chance game, right. So, like I said, with the
vetting your cash out options, they put that on a
chant on the probability that you're gonna hit, and it
goes down and down and down. So when he's in
an open competition with Flop on his third year, it's
like it kind of shows you the probability that he's

(33:17):
gonna hit. And then you gotta know, if Flot wins,
you're gonna resign. You're gonna extend Flop. So now what
is banks? If you trade banks, you open up some
cap space, you get a VET free agent, and now
that raises your floor.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
No, no, but Damien, here's the problem. This, this this
imaginary VET free agent you keep bringing up. Good quarterbacks
do not come cheap, yea. They just pay posts of
the debo twenty million dollars a year coming off a
broken leg.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
No, well, I mean someone in the caliber of what
Flot was considered to be in the offseason, right, someone
who would also be in competition with Flop. Anyways, we're
going for broke on a lot of guys, is my point?

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Well, damn, I appreciate the call at fairpoints. I think
what I'll say is that you have a better chance
of getting value out of a player like Banks by
continuing to try to develop him, make him a better
player than whatever you're going to get from him for
him in a trade, is what I would say.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, I mean first round draft pick. He was an investment.
You know, he's trying to equate it to like trades
and stuff like that. You got to really talk about
in a way like cars, like when you buy an
expensive car if something happened to it or it's not performing,
where you just don't give up on it, like you
you figured something out so you can protect your investment,
or a house or something like that. They're not like
you know, trades on like, they're more like houses and cars.

(34:38):
If you really think about it, if you invest it
a lot in it, you just don't give up on
it because you don't get a return on your investment.
You got to get something out of your investment that
you put in. You know, like you're not going to
buy out and take five hundred thousand dollars on one
hundred and one point five million dollar dollars. It ain't happening.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
And he mentioned I think I heard him mentioned Sante
Samuel Junior that just a spinal fusion. I'm not even
sure if you know he said he's clear now, but
I don't know what NFL teams are going to look
at those X raising pictures and decide if he can
play football ever again. Ye, spinal fusion.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
And look, you know when you look at some of
these players, and I'm not even saying he's wrong about
what he's saying about some of these players, because they
got drafted for a reason. You know, like you look
at the film for Banks, you look at the film
for Evan Neil and Jalen Hyatt. I think they deserve
to get drafted, and those those spots that they got drafted.
No one can predict how good a player is going
to be, right, because if everybody knew how good Jackson

(35:28):
Dart would have been. He'd have been a number one
pick of the NFL this year. But people, it's a
gamble when you do it. I guess that's why he's
bringing up the betting, because it is a gamble, and
you got to figure out, like how long do you
stick with a player? But it's like, do you give
up on them after one or two years? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Well that's the thing, like if you trade them last Again,
I'm just talking hypothetically here. I have no idea what
the offers will be or what the Giants was get.
I know they weren't looking to trade him, but again,
just talking hypothetically. If you get a like he said,
a round five pick for him, you're not gonna be
able to use it till next year. You're trying to
win football games this year. How is that helping you

(36:05):
win football games this year? And what's your chance of
a fifth round pick hitting fifteen percent twenty percent at best?

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yeah, And you talked about it earlier about the physical
attributes that all of these guys possessed. That's the reason
why they got drafted. You know a lot of people
get drafted because of the potential. You know, I've seen
guys who aren't as good as certain players in college,
but they get drafted because of their potential and they
actually do hit that maximum potential and they end up
being really good players in the NFL. And that's why

(36:36):
you draft a guy in the first, second, third round.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Right, And by the way, I think Damien was was
was actually being reasonable with the return. You know, but
I think there are and so the Damien this is
not in reference to you. I think you made some
good points he did. I think some fans imagine that
when they look to trade some of the players that
they don't want anymore and they don't think are any good,
that somehow the other NFL teams haven't watched all the

(36:59):
same stuff that you've watched as a pad, Like guys,
the coaches tape, everyone has it, like everyone can watch
what's going on. You're not gonna be like, hey, maybe
maybe they just think of this guy as a former
first round pick and they don't know how he's played
the last two years. They know, they know how they
guys have played the last two years, right, they know,
so I think sometimes it didn't fault that.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
And the worst part about it is when you really
think about it, if the Giants wanted to get a
good value for a trade from somebody on the team,
it would have to be one of the better players
on the team.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
And that's exactly right, that's exactly the.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Guys that are playing really well right now that can
get the most value out there there are You can't
do that.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
There are special attributes, and now have they manifested themselves
into production on the field as much as you would like?
Probably not. But Evan Neil has attributes that do not
grow on trees. Deontay Banks has attributes that do not
grow on trees. Jaye and Hyatt has an attribute that
does not grow on trees. Speed right, you don't find

(37:57):
guys with those towards sort of traits just floating around.
So then you have to make the decision, can you
get more out of that player and to your point,
that investment, which is day one or day two picks
by trying to develop them and turn them into better
football players here, or do you get more value bailing
on those players and getting back a dimin a dollar. Yeah,

(38:21):
Which that's ultimately what the decision is. I'm not telling
you what the right or the wrong decision is. And
I guess he's making the same thing with his betting analogy.
But ultimately that's the decision that you have to make.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
And to be honest, you know, I play for fort
different teams. When you draft a player, you stick with
them a little bit longer. When you draft a player,
you know, you stick with them a little bit longer.
And it's not about what the outside you know, fans
perspective is of oh he's not playing that well, get
rid of him. It's like I invested in these guys.
There are young guys there are developing and we haven't

(38:53):
seen it manifest on the field, but the coaches have
seen it. They've seen promise, they've watched the film. Right,
I'm not saying all of it looks good. I'm not
saying they are trending in the right direction. But when
you invest in the guy, and you personally choose a guy,
you did your research, your scouts, you looked at them
in college, you watch all the film, and then you
bring them in. They're family and you don't cut them
off because they're not playing well at the time. You

(39:14):
see if they can you can give them a little time,
and you give them as much time as you can
until it comes a point where it's like, all right,
we got to kind of move on from this guy.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
And look, Evan Neil has been in active every game
this year that there's been enough healthy players to put
on the active game they roster, so they they're not
forced feeding him into the lineup, is my point. Right,
They're playing the guys that they get the best players,
regardless of the truy.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
And he is developing because he's still have practice every single.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
And now he's a guard. He's a new position too.
So anyway, again, that's the decision you have to make
when you're kind of valuating this same if you're kind
of playing out the game theory of it. Let's go
to Scott in New Mexico. He's up next high Scotty tonight.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
First, I want to than my simple tast and knew
family to one of my friends unfortunately suffered from mental
depression and committed suicide, and it's one it takes a
long time to get over that. So I trust in
new and family will be able to rise above it

(40:18):
and it never goes away. But I often wanted off
of my to this that much. My question actually is
directed to Jonathan and Jonathan, you want to chime in
tent I was looking at the Giants defense and taking
the front four, which is Burns corridor to Padella and Lawrence. Overall,

(40:41):
the team I think right now has twenty one sacks,
which sounds okay, but when you look at it compared
to the rest of the league that ranks sixteenth, you
would think with the players they have, will be a
little bit higher. In addition, in the last nine games,
the Giants have only taken or taken or gotten six

(41:04):
takeaways in nine games. The last three we know about
giving up ninety two yards approximately each game, and that's
the second worst in the NFL. Jonathan, my question to
you is this, and try to be as honest as
you can possibly be. If you're a good player, and

(41:25):
you were and you're on a team suffering the kind
of misery I guess that the Giants have had over
the last few years, and you're doing your job, but
you look around you and some players are not for
whatever reason, whether it's injury or something else. Does that
mentally grade on you as a player because you're going

(41:48):
through this year after year, or is the defensive brotherhood
and you sort of rally around. What's happening even though
you're losing. What's the mat drain on a player who's
good but looks around and says, we're not doing anything.
Do you feel responsibility or do you feel like you

(42:13):
try not to show blame? What's your attitude as a
good player when you see the people around you are
not performing up to what your level might be.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
First of all, that's a great question. You kind of
right on all kind of aspects that you were hitting.
The defense, you know, the team itself, the defense specifically.
It is a brotherhood, you know, and you know I
try to give my all every single play that I played,
you know, and you do want to hold other people
accountable accountable when you're young, you know, you really don't

(42:45):
say too much. You try to go out there and
look at the older guys and watch how they play,
and you know, respond that way and put your player
on the field and show them that you belong in
the brotherhood. And as an older guy, you know, when
you play, sometimes you can lead by talking, Sometimes you
can lead by example. Sometimes you could lead by emotions,
you know, and the giants just haven't figured out I
think the right combination of that to get everybody to

(43:07):
play at their maximum potential on a consistent basis, because
you see it happen, but you just don't see it consistently.
And then when guys get hurt, you know, guys are
feeling some type of way and I'm talking about physically,
and they're out there still playing. There's a lot of
guys that are now on the injury report that are
actually not feeling one hundred percent and you kind of
can see that, but you don't know which player it is.
You know, I was a guy that stayed on the

(43:28):
injury report even though I was healthy. Sometimes I didn't
play my potential, you know, and I retired because of that.
Like I retired because I was so sick and tired of,
you know, going out there being at seventy percent and
giving it my all. And I'm not even on an
injury report because I'm just you know, healthy, but my
knee is not strong, my quad's not strong, right, And look,
I'm not specifically talking about anybody. I'm just talking about

(43:50):
generally speaking, because you directed the question at me. But
it's very difficult to be on a team that's struggling
and you are having consistent struggles and you are putting
in all your effort and you're not getting unreturned. It's
so very frustrating. But all you can do as a
professional is be a professional every single day, go to practice,
work as hard as you possibly can, and hopefully you
can figure it all out as a collective brotherhood unit.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Have you been on teams where you saw guys towards
the end of the year get frustrated with teammates that
they didn't think we're still doing that.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Not too much, you know, not too much. You see it,
but nobody really speaks out over it, especially when you
know two and seventeen. You know, it's kind of I
don't even know the right word. But if you're one
guy and you're playing, you know, you feel like you're
giving your all and you go ahead and you know,
you talk to another guy, there's a play that he

(44:41):
can go back to and say, what about that play
that you messed up on? Right? I think the Bengals
had that with Chase Brown. He was criticizing the defense
of not stopping, you know, getting off the fielders, so
we need to stop. But he dropped the third down
pass that game. You know he did this on that game,
so it's like it's hard to say, hey, guys, you
got to do your job when nobody in the NF
feel is perfect. There's nobody that's playing and grading out

(45:02):
one hundred percent is.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
In that though. The veteran leaders on the defense that
like Brian Burns. To me, Brian Burns at this point,
with the way he's played this year, can say whatever
he wants to anybody on that defense because he's lived
a life. He's hustling, he's doing all the little things
and all the big things. So to me, Brian Burns
is the guy where you look at his defense and

(45:24):
again I don't see an effort issue myself. I see
an execution issue. But if there's anyone that's going to
point out guys that are not getting the job done
and you need to get better at something, to me,
it would be Burns just given how he's played this year.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, one hundred percent. But again, even Burns Burns not
perfect either, you know, So it's kind of hard to
stand there and stand on that and it's like, bro,
you're great out of seventy percent, what about the other
thirty percent that you didn't play so lights out? You
know what I mean? So it's hard to do that
when you're just not a perfect human being, you know,
and the world is filled of imperfect human beings. The

(45:57):
game is filled of imperfect players. You know, everybody make mistake.
So it gets to a point where it's like it
goes tif for tat. It's like, you know, you gave
up on this play. It's like, but bro, you messed
up on this play, you know what I mean. So
it's like, it's hard to do that. What I would
say is that as a professional, you know, you come
to work, you got to give it your best set
for every single day. Not that you can't be worried
about somebody else, but they may not be there the

(46:18):
next year. You may not be there the next year,
and you got to truly worry about yourself and make
sure that you are putting your best film out there
every single time you step out there.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
That makes sense, Scott, Yeah, and John, I want to
ask this question of you and then I'll pick it
off the air. Yeah, you're close to the team, you
meet with the players basically on the same question, do
you get any sense that players are so frustrated at

(46:46):
each other that they're losing their continuity to be able
to perform on the field, and you see it manifested
in the statistics and everything else. Because you're close to
the players and can interview with them and talk to them,
can you really get a real sense of what's going
on in this case a particular date, Prenchmill, I'll take

(47:10):
your answer off.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Thank you, Scott. Well, Look, if there is, they're not
telling me, and I wouldn't expect them to tell me.
I wouldn't want them to tell me, totally honest with you.
But no, have I noticed that. I haven't. I think
the one thing Brian Dable has done really well since
he's been here. If this is the one thing that
I think he's done the best, it's he generally keeps
the team together. I think he does a good job

(47:30):
of keeping this lock room together. They continue to play hard,
even though they've had a couple of really tough years
the last two years, and you don't see that disunity
among the players. So I will give him credit for that.
I think he's done a nice job with that. In
terms of your first point, I just want to hit
on this Jac real quick, because I think so the
other fans have felt this frustration too. Why isn't the
past rush more dominant? You know, middle of the league

(47:52):
in sacks. I think they're a pressure rate between fifteenth
and twentieth. I didn't checked this weekend. The last week
I think was eighteenth. And what I'll say about that
is that defense is a complimentary group.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Your pass rush can be great, but if your secondary
is allowing somebody to get opened right away, doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter. So to me, the lack of pass rush
or the lack of pass rush production, I should say,
has more to do with me with the second level
of the defense and the third level of the defense
allowing quick options for the quarterback to get the ball out.

(48:30):
That's not allowing the pass rush to get home. I
do quarters pressure numbers are excellent this year. He is
a half a sack. Yeah, So you know, even a
guy like Dexter Lawrence, his win rate on pass rush
plays it's pretty good. His pressure rate's not that great,
but his win rate's pretty good. Again, quarterbacks are not
holding the ball as much as it need them to.
So that's what I would say in terms of that

(48:51):
from what I'm seeing.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
But you also got to throw in the scheme, you know,
like nobody is you know, is untouchable when it comes
to a two and seventeen. You know, it's the players,
it's the coaching, it's all of that involved, the scheme,
it's all of those things involved. This opportunistic times to
call certain things right. It's not always about your your
your very dominant defensive line to get sacks. There's other

(49:14):
guys too, right if you have if you're unblocked as
a defensive back, because a lot of times they don't
even block defensive back sometimes and you don't take the
right steps. Whose fault is that? You know what I mean?
You know what I'm saying, like it's it goes. It's
a lot deeper than just looking at saying like, oh
this D line is not producing as well because you
just said it. I do Carter numbers, his pressure numbers

(49:35):
are at the top of the NFL, but he only
has a half a sack of one and a half
sacks on the year.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Now one half sack. Halough, you're half sack.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
If you watch him play the game of football, he
is incredible.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
He is.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
He is incredible. But it's about timing. It's about luck.
You know, at times you know and uh, you know,
the Giants being banged up on the back end, you know,
that has a lot to do with the production of front,
you know, And it's hard to to in the quarterbacks
that you're playing against too. Like you said, against Caleb Williams,
if you look on paper, he's holding the ball the

(50:09):
longest in the league, but he's only giving up. He's
only gotten sacked fourteen times, which is not that much
for a guy that's hold.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
And the Giants have played really good quarterbacks this year.
Justin Herbert's awesome. Patrick Mahomes is awesome. Jalen Hurts is
a good quarterback. He does take a lot of sacks.
Dak Prescott gets the ball out quick. Jayden Daniels the
first week is very mobile, gets the ball out quick.
So oh yeah, I think that's part of it too.
And I think the last few weeks too, you haven't
played with the lead as much, and when you're not
playing with the lead, it's a lot tougher to get
to the quarterbacks. So those are all things.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
And I'm not in there. And I think we talked
about this last week going into the game against Sam Fran.
You got to knock them off their rhythm. If I'm
not mistaken. The quarterback was fourteen or fourteen to start
the game. That is not not I feel at all.
You know, and that that is a combination. It's the
pass rush, it's the second level.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
And again he was two point four to eight seconds
time to throw in that game. His hand, you're getting
the ball on under two and a half seconds, can't
get sack anyway. We have two more calls. Let's get
to Brandon and new jerseys up next day. Brandon, Hey, John,
Hey John.

Speaker 6 (51:09):
I just I wanted to call earlier. You guys were
talking about somebody asked about the head coach and blah
blah blah, and I've had just being mentioned earlier in
the week. But I did want to call us a
little more of an off steason thing. But I just
wanted to say say piece real quick. I think we
should learn from our mistakes and learn from the past

(51:30):
moving forward. I don't know, you know, I could be
putting the part before the horse with Babel, but I
do assume unless something drastically changes the remainder of the year,
that it's only going to end one way. That but
that leaves I don't know where that leaves. Joe Shane.
I really as far as the team being two and
seventy guys, this is the best looking, most talented too
and seventeen I've seen it just looked disjoined it a lot.

(51:53):
So I don't know how much of the record I
put onto the I mean you got to put some,
but I don't know how much put onto the GM
straight away because I see the talent and you can
look at the list of other two and seven teams
in the last ten years and not one of those
teams compared to this one, and I just think they
need to be played a little bit better. So if
everything still works out how it's probably gonna work out

(52:16):
for the end of the year. The one thing that
I think Dave Getleman that did that I would like
Joe Shaye not to do is continues the continue the
first time head coach or Tash Shermers Keys who was
a one time head coach for one year, so basically
in experienced head coaches continually getting a shot. I much

(52:37):
prefer if you guys remember about four years ago, Joe
Shane's very first decision was to hire a head coach. Management.
The people who have been here have lifted through all
of this, or the ownership who's been here lift through
all of this, had a suggestion, and probably because they
were tired of looking at first time issues with first
time people and experienced people and our first time GM

(53:01):
went with his way, and I'm glad that the ownership
was able to prove that they are not standing in
his way. He's making his own decision, but that this
was his decision. I hope he learns from this, does
not repeat what Dave Gellman did because he went from
an inexperienced head coach to a first time head coach.
I think that this time around we should heed those warnings,

(53:23):
try to get an experience head coach. And that's where
my my phone call comes to.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
Now.

Speaker 6 (53:29):
I looked at a list for me.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
I would brand, brand, the brand, and Brandon Brandon, Brandon Brandon.
I'm not going to talk about who's replacing Brian da
Boles head coach. It's week nine, okay.

Speaker 6 (53:46):
Can I we want to talk about replacements, all right,
But I just was staying more or less of like
a line of where if anything is to happen. I
know it's week nine, John, but you know, if anything
were to happen, I would just saying more or less,
there's a short list of what would be highers. You
don't have to speak on I'm just saying that we
would be new hired. Are the coaches that are in

(54:10):
the NFL still that have one that have winning percentages?
There are thirteen of them since the year two thousands.
That should make it very simple on who should be
a hint. I know you guys can't speak on it. John,
When is a good time. I can't have this conversation
with you, though, because I still do want to have it,
just obviously now is not.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
A good time.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
At the end of the season, all.

Speaker 6 (54:35):
Right, I'll call you at the end of season.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Thank you, Brandon. Appreciate the call. Guys, I'm not doing
that right now. I can't. I'm sorry, I can't.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
I can't, no, not at all.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
But Brandon, I appreciate the call, and I know you're
thinking about this stuff and I appreciate it. But I
can't do that conversation right now. I'm gonna have Brian
Dable in this room tomorrow at seven am to do
a radio interview with Being Bob Poppa for the radio
broadcast on Sunday. I can't sit here in good conscience
and feel right about talking about who might replace him
after the year. I just don't feel right about it

(55:06):
that that's not an organizational decision, that's a John decision.
Be mad at me, You can be mad at me,
that's fine, But I just I don't feel right about
that as a human being.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Yeah, go and will you look at it? Right? And
he did make I think of valid points early. And
I will say this, no matter what your record is, right,
it is it's no such thing as halfway through the season.
You know, because of the seventeen games, but the halfway
point through the season, you have enough data to analyze everything, right,

(55:34):
the seven and two teams in the league. It is
not just because of one player. It's not because of
the coach, it's not because of GM.

Speaker 7 (55:39):
It's a collective, it's a team. It's a collective organization.
One game on the player or team or the players
or the coach and decisions and stuff like that. But
at this point, right, Joe Shane has not called one
play for the Giants right day, ball has not caught
or dropped one pass or tackled anybody, right And they're

(56:00):
no player that has called the play or said this
player needs to be on this team.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Correct. It's a collective effort. At this point. You can't
single out one player, one phase, or one part of
this team to say this is the reason why the
Giants are two and seven. It's a collective effort. Everybody
takes the blame for either your success or your failures
throughout the year and throughout any time of the year.
First game of the season, maybe one particular part of
the season, you say this game, okay, cool display, okay, cool. Right.

(56:26):
You could probably say that right, Oh, the defense gave
up this many yards. Okay, you could play blaming on defense.
But at this point of season, a halfway point, it's
a collective, right, So the Giants have to figure out
a way collectively to get out of this whatever you
want to call it, slump, this downhill, you know, trend
that they have going on because they haven't been performing

(56:46):
good lately, John, And that's very concerning to me. The
trending is going the trend is going down because at
one point the Giants were two and four, and we
were very optimistic because they were trending upwards. But now
they're not trending that way, and that's not on the offense.
Not only the not no coach, not on GM, it's collectively,
it's on everyone involved.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
J give me your final thoughts on the Giants plays.
He's the victory however you want to look at it.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
I mean, it comes the point of season. Like I said,
this is the halfway point of season.

Speaker 6 (57:13):
Man.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
You know, the x's and o's and all of that stuff,
the coach and the GM and all of that comes
down to the players. Man. Gotta have some pride, guys.
You guys are going out there. You got to put
some good film out there. Guys, you know it's it's
and defensively specifically, guys got to stop down, stop the run.
You know, the good players, the great players for the
Giants have to start playing that way. The young guys

(57:35):
have to have that, you know, that opportunistic mentality. I
was an undrafted guy, man, I feel like I was
so eager, so eager to play defense. Was I perfect?

Speaker 6 (57:44):
No?

Speaker 2 (57:44):
I was not, But the effort that I gave was unquestionable,
and I was able to stack a career off of it.
Young guys give that effort. Older guys show them how
to do it and stand up to this team because Chicago,
they will run the ball forty times. I said that
the forty and they did. This is the same way.
You have to have a physical mentality, and it all

(58:05):
starts up front. So step up, guys, have some pride.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Look I'll say this clips I'm not on tomorrow. You
can hear me on Big Boo Kick Golf Live Saturday
seven am. Me and Melusa's will talk about this, and
then we'll pre game eleven o'clock on Sunday. Look to me,
I got three simple things for you, right you already here.
One Stop the run. Ben Johnson will run this bowl
down your throat all game long if you let him.
He did it with the Lions when he was there.
He'll do it with the Bears. He will run it

(58:30):
down your throat all game and he might have two
different backs to give twenty carries to each if he
wants to.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
So.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Yes, the weather might be bad too, by the way,
So stop the run first and foremost, and then I'll
foll my other two into one. Win the explosive play battle.
The Bears want to beat you with explosive plays, and
they will give up explosive plays if you can limit
them and get some one on your end.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Got a chance, got a chance.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
And I guess the third one I'll do is just
you can't be minus two and takeaways, right. The Bears
have been doing that the teams all year long. They're
plus thirteen this year with nineteen takeaways. The Giants have
done a pretty good job of protecting the football. They
have not done a very good job of taking the
football away. So at the very least, if you can't
take it away, at least don't give it away. Try

(59:16):
to be even in this game. If you can win
the big play battle, stop the run, I think you'll
be in pretty good chick I like it all right.
For John, we can see us. I'm John Schmelk. For Brian,
where is he calling from again? Anyway? Not important? And Cincinnati?
Is that where he was in Kansas City? Sounds like
he's having a good time. We will talk to you
next time about a big blue kickoff live presented by Cadillact,

(59:38):
the official luxury vehicle the Giants. We're in the Hacketsack
of Marine Health podcast that you'll keep getting better. We'll
see you next time.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Everybody