Big Blue Kickoff Live 11/7 | Giants vs Bears Preview

Paul Dottino and Matt Citak preview the matchup with the Chicago Bears, talk about Abdul Carter and the defense, and take calls from fans.

0:00 - Bears preview

13:00 - Bears run game

19:00 - Calls

31:30 - Abdul Carter

42:40 - Giants defense

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(00:48):
Soldier Field against the Chicago Bears. Two A one nine
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if you'd like to give us a call and discuss
anything about the game that you would like. The Giants
are winless on the road so far this season, so
they would certainly like to turn around that equation, if

(01:08):
at all possible. We did have a nice morning here
in East rother for New Jersey as the Giants went
out to practice. The weather not expected to be nearly
as nice in Chicago.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
No, not quite. It keeps on changing. I don't know
if you've been I'm sure you've been checking. Oh yeah,
I checked yesterday and it said it was just supposed
to be I mean, just but cold and windy. And
then I checked this morning and now it's saying morning
rain slash snow. Yeah, the chance that it could. You know,
it's not supposed to go into game time, but there's

(01:40):
a chance, because it keeps on changing, if it just
gets like pushed back a little bit. Could This looks
like it's gonna be the first weather game for the
Giants this season.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
And needless to say, heavy winds too. I'm seeing the
plus gusts.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, the wind will be a factor.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Oh boy, is it that fun. We should go over
the injury report, Brian Dable. First things first, we'll get
the kicking thing out of the way, and then I
want Matt to go over the rest of the injuries
that we know of. As they went out onto the
practice field, just this afternoon a little while ago. It
looks like Young Hoku is going to be the Giants

(02:18):
kicker now. Graham Gano, who told us yesterday that he's
got a neck issue, apparently there's a disc problem there.
He took a shot in his spine. Now, when I
heard that, I think everybody when they hear that, they grimace. Right.
He's like, no, no, this is actually a regular thing.
It's not a big deal. It's rather routine. Okay, fine, Graham,
if you want to think of it that way, that's fine.

(02:39):
I prefer not to think of it that way because
I want no shots in my spine no matter what
the issue is, and said that it would not impede
his kicking and that he planned to kick today. Well,
that got sidetracked. Brian Dabele told us this morning that
Gano would not kick today. He would discuss things with
the trainers later on this afternoon, and when they have

(03:00):
to have their official status report out, they will have
to make a determination, he said. As of this morning,
though they had not decided whether or not they would
ride with Gano and allow him to kick against the Bears,
or if they went to Plan B, which would be
Young Hoo Coup, who has been here for a few
weeks on the practice squad and told us, I guess

(03:21):
it was. Was it yesterday? He told us that he
has been kicking well, he's been under his regular kicking
regiment so that he would not be thrown off if
called upon.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, so Graham said yesterday that he was hopeful that
he'd be able to kick today. He said, obviously he
just got the shot. I think he did he get
the shot yesterday or Wednesday?

Speaker 2 (03:42):
He didn't. I don't think he actually determined or told
us when the shot was. He said it was a
Monday afternoon that the doctors told him he had an issue.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, so he did say he was hopeful to kick today.
It wasn't one hundred percent certain, And obviously Coach Table
came out and said before practice that Graham will not
be practicing now. Coach Dable would not officially rule him out,
but as we've come to learn with Coach Dable, it
is rare that he rules a guy out on Friday.
He does do it sometimes, but if there is even

(04:12):
a one percent chance that the guy is going to
be able to suit up, coach is not going to
rule him out, Which was the case today, but coach
made it pretty clear it's leaning pretty heavily towards to
being the kicker. He said. Basically, he said, most likely
it will be Coo. He just would not shut the
door completely on Graham being able to suit up. But
it does sound like Coup will be making his Giants' debut,

(04:36):
so that I'm not going to say should close the
door on the kicking situation at least for one week,
but it's certainly heading that way. Goodo was not the
only guy that is not practicing. You know they're out
there right now. Coach Dable said that there would be
a few other guys not practicing. Bo Collins, who has

(04:57):
a neck injury suffered last week. He has not practiced
at all this week, certainly puts him on the pessimistic
side of being able to suit up. Chauncey Golston who's
been out for several weeks now with a neck injury
as well. Darius Mussow has an ankle injury again no
practice all week. It's trending that he might be certainly

(05:19):
looking like he will be inactive, and the same goes
for John Michael Schmidz, who's dealing with the shin injury
that he suffered last week. That would lead to Austin
Schlotman taking over at center again, which we have seen
him now a couple of times. Because JMS has had
a few various injuries, Schultman's filled in pretty admirably, so
that hopefully won't be, you know, too much of a

(05:39):
drop off. I believe that was the only Those were
the guys that coach said would not be practicing at
all today. Those are the ones I mentioned. At least,
he did say he was hopeful that Jermaine iluminor Javon
Holland and Cordel Flott would all be able to play
on Sunday. Now, Flot cleared the concussion protocol yesterday evening.

(06:03):
He was a full participant yesterday. I would expect him
to be a full participant again today, which would certainly
put him on pace to suit up on Sunday. Holland
returned to practice last week and was limited throughout the week.
He was questionable on the final injury report. Obviously did
not end up playing, but a whole nother week of
practice hopefully, as coach said, hopefully he's good to go.

(06:26):
And same goes for Jermaina Lumner, who was doubtful on
last year last week's injury report, eventually got ruled out.
He returned to practice yesterday, is a limited participant, So
another limited session today. Hopefully we'll you know, borring a setback.
Hopefully we'll put him on pace to suit up now.
One guy coach did not mention in the group of

(06:47):
guys not practicing today was Paulson Adebo. He did not
mention him who Paulson Adibo has not practiced the last
couple of days.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Get a lot on the side with the trainers yesterday,
though you're starting to move around pretty sure.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
I would still say even you know, it sounds like
he will likely be listed as limited today, just based
on what coach told us before practice, I would still
tend to lean more towards probably being unlikely he suits
up after you know, missing several weeks only getting in
one limited session. It's a knee injury. He's the team's
top corner, you know, especially with Cordell flat likely coming back.

(07:23):
You know, coaching staff might decide and the training staff,
you know, let's give him one more week to really
get back to full strength. Yeah, that is those are
the injury updates. Everyone else seems like they've got, you know,
a pretty strong chance of suiting up other than the
guys that did not practice today. We'll find out in

(07:43):
about you know, hour and a half or two hours
when we get the final injury report. Hopefully it won't
be quite as long as you know it was last week.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Now we're interestingly, you know, for Khoo's NFL career. You know,
he's kicked in Atlanta inside that dome. Now, he did
grow up as a high school player in Ridgewood, New Jersey,
just a short throw from here. And so he said,
I'm very familiar with windy, cold weather, nasty weather. We
practice out here on this practice field all the time.

(08:11):
And if you know anything about the meadow Lands wins,
they're not very kind to kickers. So he said, look,
whatever they deal with, whatever they have to deal with,
I should say in Chicago, Ku does not believe that
that would be anything that would impede him. He understands
what it means to kick in bad weather.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, and just on a similar note, since we're talking
about the wind in the weather, Jackson Dark shared a
very similar sentiment when he spoke to the media Wednesday.
He did not grow up in Bergen County, but he
grew up in Utah. And he said that you know,
where they his high school team practiced was in a
can in a was it a valley?

Speaker 2 (08:49):
It was next to a canyon. There was a lot
of winds.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
So he dealt with wind, you know, he said all
the time. You know, he said, he played in high school,
he played snow games.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
So he clearly does not seem to be too concerned
about the weather impacting, you know, his abilities and his
game too much. On Sunday now, obviously, strong wins for
any quarterback. Strong wins are gonna have some effect on
the passing game, but that goes for both teams. You
Bears are gonna have to deal.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
With throws yesterday. Did you get a chance to watch
a few of his throws before they Yeah, I'm not joking, folks.
The wind yesterday at the Meadowlands was stronger than it
is today. I don't think there's any doubt about that.
And I saw him just, you know, taking some warm ups.
I swear the ball must have moved two feet.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, the wind yesterday was crazy here, and it's supposed
to be even worse than Chicago.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
I mean, you you baseball fans will will remember Doc
Gooden's curveball. Okay, let me tell you something. That ball
was moving like a knuckleball. I mean, it was flying.
So you know, I appreciate the fact that Jackson says,
you know, he could deal with those elements because he's
been in them before, earlier in his career. But you know,

(10:00):
that still doesn't change.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
The fact that it's tricky, oh for sure. And you know,
since Jackson took over, obviously he's played very well. But
the one thing that you know has not been you know,
a big part of his game has been the downfield passing.
It has been too much. We've you know, he's completed
a couple. But given the conditions on Sunday in Chicago

(10:21):
at Soldier Field, I can't imagine either team is going
to have too much you know, downfield plays, you know,
deep deep throws play. It's going to be difficult.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Play the weather in this one, I would say, you know,
Parcels was always very very particular about how game plans
would be impacted by the weather. He would always tell
Belichick and Ron Avererhard is offensive coordinator during the week,
you know what we're going to project that there could
be rain, there could be snow, there could be wind.

(10:52):
We want to have some alternate plans available depending upon
if it's going to be nasty in the first half
or in the second half, or if it simply means
the direction that we're going in because the wind is
just coming in one direction. I want to make sure
we have certain segments of the playbook that are designed
specifically to be tailored toward the weather. That's that's what

(11:15):
made Bill Parcells a Hall of Fame coach. Okay, he
taught me this years ago. This is not something that
is to be ignored, and the best coaches will do
those things. So I do think that you're right. If
the weather throughout the game is poor, we know both
teams are going to do all they can to run
the ball and throw short stuff. But if there's going

(11:38):
to be a half or a quarter or a direction
where it looks like you can do some business and
the weather isn't going to prohibit you from certain things,
you're going to take a chance su by trying to
work with that calmness if you will in the weather.

(11:58):
One hundred.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
First of all, we also know, just going into this
game the Bears want to run the ball. They want
to run the ball early, they want to run the
ball often. I mean, they're one of the most run
heavy teams in the entire NFL. Now, the Giants are,
you know, among the league leaders in rush attempts as well.
And I think obviously Jackson running the ball as often
as he does play certainly plays a factor in that.

(12:20):
You know, the running backs, especially since you know, Skataboo
went down, the running backs haven't played you know, too
big of an impact role in the offense. But but yeah,
both of these teams are going to try to run
the ball to sort of, you know, cancel out the
weather a little bit. But we've also seen the short
passing game be a pretty big part of jackson darts
game so far since he took over as the starter.

(12:43):
I would expect to see a lot more of that
on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
On the flip side, the Bears are run run, run, run, run,
I mean, they're number two of the league, just under
one hundred and fifty yards a game on the ground
between Swift and a nun guy. The Rutgers rookie Don
Bosco kid big bouquet of flowers to New Jersey football
right for sure. I had over one hundred and sixty
yards against the Bengals last week, almost two hundred yards

(13:09):
from scrimmage, so you know, big time game for him.
In fact, I saw Eric b Enemy mentioned was it yesterday?
They were asking him out there in Chicago to compare
Manung guy to another NFL back that he has seen
throughout his career. He said, Kareem Hunt.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Hey, early early in his career. Kareem Hunt not bad,
very dangerous running back, not bad. Yea.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
So we know what the Bears bring to the table
in the running game. And with the Giants next to
last in the league in rush defense at over one
hundred and forty yards a game, I mean that seems
to mesh real well. Bears like to run it, Giants
have troublestop in the run. And whether it could be
a factor. What do you think the Bears are going
to do now? At the same time, they love to

(13:57):
lull you to sleep with the run and then go
with a play action and take a deep shot that
they will do. Will the weather prohibit that? I don't know. Again,
it depends on how the front comes in and if
it lasts throughout the game, or whatever the case may be.
But the Bears are much more apt to take deep
shots than the Giants offenses.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, I mean again, the Bears definitely want to run
the bull, but you're one hundred percent right that they
use the emphasis on the run game to also set
up the play action game. Caleb Williams his average time
to throw this season, I'm not sure if you saw
the stat. His average time to throw this season is
three point twenty four seconds. That is the longest a
quarter a starting quarterback has taken to throw on average

(14:40):
in a season in at least the last decade since
next Gen Stats started recording that. That is the longest
time to throw for a starting quarterback. So they definitely
will use the play action or use the run game
to set up the play action. But again, with this
supposed wind that's coming, I don't know how you know
how willing Ben Johnson is gonna be to want to

(15:03):
call those downfield shots because ifoot ball gets caught up
in the wind, who knows where that ball is gonna
end up. Probably not where Caleb Williams wants it to.
So we'll have to see and you also have to
just have to keep in mind, of course, with Ben Johnson.
You know he's got a bag of tricks. I mean
we last week the Bears had two different plays that
were non quarterbacks completing or attempting a pass or completing.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Total of four different guys attempted a pass last week,
four different guys, so it was a two that completed it.
I yes, I mean Dj Moore threw a touchdown pass.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
To Caleb Williams. I mean, which we obviously saw the
Detroit Lions do that for years under Ben Johnson. Last week,
I mean, they've been doing it in bits and pieces
in Chicago this year. I feel like last week was
sort of like the coming out party for the whole
bag of tricks. But you better believe he's got more
tricks up his sleeve that he's gonna pull out on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
I think the weather will prohibit him from doing that.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
You don't think they're gonna do any trick plays.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
I don't, I don't. You don't mess around with that.
You got enough to deal with mother nature. I don't
think you want to mess around.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
With I think if at least if the game is close,
which we hope expect it to be, I think he
will pull out something from his bag of tricks at
some point. One other item.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Before we get to the phone calls a two on
one nine three nine four five one three. That is,
the Bears are by far the number one team and
take away ratio plus thirteen. They have done a sensational
job of taking the ball away. They lead the league
in interceptions. Uh, they've also got a ton of fumble recovery,
so they have the most takeaways and they have the

(16:38):
best takeaway ratio. That's why they're five and three. All right,
let's let's not pull any punches here because their defense,
the metrics across the board are kind of in the
Giant's neighborhood. They they they're both both of these teams
are allowing like four touchdowns a game. I mean, that's
just the way it is. They they're not either team

(17:00):
is really stopping anybody. But the Bears, because of their
ability to take the ball away, have been able to
take advantage of a lot of those situations. They've had
a lot of short fields and this is why they've
got a winning record and the Giants unfortunately do not. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Overall, the Bears have the twenty ninth ranked scoring defense.
They have the twenty six defense in terms of yards
allowed per game. But that takeaway stat that you just
said is again that's what set them up so well
in great field position and has led to the Bears
having top ten offense or six, the number six scoring
offense and number four in total yards on offense. But

(17:40):
they have two players tied for the league lead in
interceptions Kevin Bayard, who is since he entered the NFL
as the NFL interception leader. He doesn't matter where he's playing,
he just finds the ball always. But they also have
Tremaine Edmonds, a linebacker who has four interceptions this season.
I can't remember halfway through his season the linebacker already

(18:01):
having four interceptions. That is crazy. They have playmakers on defense,
which is a little why I'm a little surprised that
their defense has struggled so much now. Their defense has
dealt with a lot of injuries. Their secondary is very depleted.
Two of their starting defensive backs are currently on injured reserve,
so I guess that the injury bug has hit them,

(18:22):
which is played somewhat of a role. But despite their
struggles in a lot of different areas on defense, you
know they're not great against the pass or the run,
but they find a way to get to the football
and to force turnovers. The Giants have been other than
the Saints game, the Giants have only had one turnover
on offense since Shackson Dart took over as quarterback. This

(18:42):
week will be a very good test on ball security
for the Giants because you know, the Bears are going
to attack the ball every chance they get.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
And it's probably going to be cold and wet. Yeah.
Two one, nine, nine three. Let's go to the phones
and coach Marvin and Delaware this first on af program.
Good morning, coach.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Are you doing?

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Paul and Matt Hi, how you doing, coach?

Speaker 3 (19:06):
I'm doing all right. I just wanted to call say
a little bit about the defense. I remember in the
summertime Dave Ball was talking about Shane was in the
lab when they drafted up due A Carter. Yes, and
he's in the lab and he's creating for this. And

(19:29):
I use that term lab also, but when I'm in
the lab, I'm actually creating something. I haven't really seen
a lot of creativity with Abdul. I don't know if
it's the I know they have to sub them in
and out and I don't see a lot of creativity
in the defense to say that that's the that's what

(19:51):
was happening. I don't know if you guys see anything different.
To me, it looks like line up beat the man
in front of you. I see a little bit of
here and there, but nothing creative. And that could be
the personnel they have and that's why they're not doing it.
But I just found that interesting that they haven't done that.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
I agree with you, coach in that there have been
stunts or twists, however you like to identify those kinds
of plays. When Carter then is looping around to the inside,
I like when they do that with him. I don't
think I've seen it as enough as I would have liked,
but I agree with you that seems to be perhaps

(20:32):
the fanciest thing that they've done with Abdul Carter so
far this year. I'd like to see some more things,
but maybe they feel as a rookie, you know the deal,
Sometimes they don't want to overwhelm these guys. They just
want to keep it basic and let him do what
he does and see where his skill set is and
see how much he can handle mentally, and quite honestly,

(20:53):
to be honest, coach, and I think you'll also give
a little bit of understanding to this. The Giants defense
as a whole has been underachieved. And when that happens,
it's kind of hard to start working on one player
and saying, let's bring out the best in him, because
what good is that if the whole unit is kind

(21:13):
of you know, flipping and flopping around the field.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, that's all right, tough to you know, get so
creative with this rookie, who obviously is a tremendous talent,
But it's difficult to get creative when you're playing from
behind most of every game. You know, there's only so
much you can do when you're playing from behind, and
the other team is just you know, running the ball
over and over again against you.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
And I agree with both of you, And then I'm
not saying I'm with you on that. My thing is
the way I used to teach is the first thing
I need to say to players, especially my star players.
Is My main thing I used to say was if
you can't take criticism, I can't coach you. And I

(21:57):
feel sometimes we have some players that I hear call
banks and I'm with him one hundred and ten percent.
He tells it like it is, and it's guys that
don't like to hear it. And if you're not willing
to hear it, it can't teach you anything. And I
feel that's what's happening.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
I feel that.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
And you said this earlier in the year, Paul, I
believe it was probably it was in August. I think
you said something you had concerns. Well, this was last year.
You had concerns about going from a three to four
to a four to three. And I don't know if

(22:39):
I'm wrong with that.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Well, what I was hoping, Coach, Yeah, what I was
hoping is that the Giants would beef up the defensive
line to the point where they would be able to
use some four defensive linemen fronts with guys with their
hands in the dirt. Now, Chauncey Golston was an important
free agency. I happen to disagree with most of I

(23:02):
don't know if we disagree on this, but I know John,
I think Lance, I think they disagree with me. Chauncey
Goldston for me, is a run stopping defensive end. He
plays a role, in my opinion, when he's best suited
to be a Justin Tuck type of guy who is
a run stopping, edge stopping defensive end first then also

(23:23):
gets after the passer and could potentially play some three technique.
But I personally believe he's best suited in a four
man defensive line with his hand on the ground, and
I think in certain matchups, and of course he's been
unavailable for most of the season because of injuries, I
believe that in certain matchups he would have been very

(23:44):
valuable with a four man defensive line. Because of what
has happened with his availability or that lack thereof, I
don't know that the Giants have guys that they can
use in a four defensive down online front. The only
combination you might be able to use now with who's

(24:05):
left you may be and I don't know if this
is really good for their skill sets or if it
really works, is put Alexander and robertson Harris on the outside,
putting Nacho and Dexter on the inside. You could line
up those four potentially with their hands down, and that
might be a strong front on rushing downs on first

(24:28):
and second down.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
It might work. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
That's my point because We're playing a four to three
down line, and even though we may be in a nickel,
it's still four downs guys down. The guys we have
it doesn't matter. It does matter when you say their
edge rushers, you have edge rushers playing defensive end.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
And they're not the SAME's not the same, absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Garrett is not a Brian Burns.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
I love Brian, that's my man. I saw him on
player's lounges. Outstanding person, outstanding player, but he's not a
Miles Garrett. Those types of or straight hand or those
types of defensive ends, those were defensive. They were not
edge rushing. Correct, they were defensive ends. We're playing a
four to three with two edge rushers and the one

(25:23):
coming off the bench is a red edge rusher, and
they play it like edge rushers. That's the way they're
built that way. Yeah, and I think that causes our
problems against the rush. My thing is this is either
the scheme doesn't fit what we have because people like Banks.
Banks wasn't it's bad his first year he wasn't. Banks

(25:44):
is bad and it's been bad for the last two years.
Is it the scheme because who wanted Banks more than
anything in that draft. Who was the person banging the
table for him? Wasn't that Martindale?

Speaker 2 (25:58):
He was part of that was Jerome Henderson. Jerome Henderson
was at the top of that list, though he badly
wanted Banks here.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, basic physical tools on the setup perfectly with you know,
the type of defense that Wink wanted to run.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yep, right, So they may not fit were taken with.
These guys may not fit because if you look at it,
the confusion in the defense, some people feels this may
not be the right calls or the right system for them.
Is it the system?

Speaker 4 (26:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
I can't answer that. Is it the system or we're
not intelligent enough to play the system? Because how many
times we see the defensive players lined up wrong, don't
know where they were to go. In the last two games,
I saw running backs in the flat wide open for touchdowns.
It happened in the Philly game and it happened last

(26:51):
week in the forty nine ers game. The back was
wide open in the flat. Either we're not paying attention
or we're not in their right skinks. And I'm not
saying either one is right and neither one is wrong.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
They the ones that need to know that, and you
have to make players accountable if they're not. And that's
the part where it goes back. If you can't take criticism,
I cannot coach you now.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Coach, I will add this before we let you go.
I want to make this very clear. There is some
attrition now going on in the linebacking corps and in
the secondary over the last few weeks. And attrition is
part of that equation. We can't ignore that. It is
part of it. And you know that as well as
we do. And I want to leave you with one
other note, and that is according to Stats Inc. And

(27:41):
they do a lot of data collection as well as
a lot of these other services. I do tend to
trust them more. They've got to have dual. Carter with
thirty one hurries, which does lead the Giants, and also
seven and a half knockdowns of quarterbacks, so you know,
as far as this concerned, he is the number one

(28:03):
pressure guy on this defense. Even though Burns has the
eleven sacks and leads the NFL. UH, They're looking at
Carter and they're like, they got him for thirty one
hurries and by contrast, yeah, that's only twenty for Burns,
even though he's got the eleven sacks, he's only got
twenty hurries. So obviously I don't I don't despite what

(28:23):
we just said earlier in the call, I don't want
to say that out due Carter is totally being misused
because he leads the team with pressures.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah no, and he's among those, he's among the league
leaders in pressures. He's I think he's ranked eighth in
the NFL in pressures. Unfortunately, though, he has not been
able to convert those into sacks. Which conversely, Brian Burns,
with what you say, twenty pressures, has one of the
highest rates of pressure to sack conversion rate because he's

(28:52):
hit home on you know, nearly half of those pressures.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
So so Carter is still being effective and they are
getting some good usage out of him. So I don't
want I don't want to let our conversation drift into well,
they don't know how to use Carter, but he's not
being used properly. I don't want I don't want it
to go there anyway. Coach, we gotta, we gotta run.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
I just wanted ten seconds because and I agree with you,
I'm not saying that I'm just saying within a system,
you play the best you can within that system without
creating anything for you. And he does that, he des
with what they tell him to do. Yes, but there's
something wrong and it says that. Just my last part
is whatever happened in that Denver game, it's still there.

(29:36):
And it's what I believe is belief. If you don't
have belief in the calls, if you don't have belief
in what's being you're being taught, you lose that. You
lose that passion. And I and I feel I'm not
saying that's true, but I feel the defensively it looks
like and we have injury, but they lost they lost

(29:57):
some belief and they don't play with passion.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
That's all I have, all right, coach be well thanks
to Nicole two A one nine three nine four five
one three. Did you want to add something about goldstand
at all? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Actually I did. And what you were saying about, you know,
the role you kind of expected him to have when
we signed him, I I agree with you. I kind
of saw him, you know, I know it was a
couple of years ago, but I kind of saw him
as the role that like Hatti Jihad Ward played a
couple of years ago. Who was that, you know, setting
the edge run defender, who would contribute a little bit

(30:29):
as a pass rusher. You know, he had a little
bit of sacks and pressures, but the main reason he
was out there was the run game and to help
set the edge, which obviously, as we know, that has
been an issue for the Giants throughout the season. And
I kind of agree with you that I think at
least part of it, not all, a part of it
is the fact that Golston just has not been healthy
enough to get.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Out on the field norm Michael McFadden.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
That obviously played a big role as well. Losing one
of your starting inside linebackers in you know, first half
of Week one threw a wrench into the run defense.
But you know, I will never know, but hopefully Golston
will get healthy and that we can see, you know,
at least somewhat of an improvement in the run game.
But I do think that that might have been a
role that he could have played on this defense and
that probably would have helped improve the run game at

(31:13):
least a little bit from what we've seen.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, and war did go down on the dirt sum
he was more of a stand up guy. I still
think Golston's better down, but in terms of being able
to effectively help the rush defense, we totally agree on that.
He should have been a component and it just hasn't
been available. A two on one nine four five, one three,
And let's see if we can get to another phone

(31:36):
call before we do some of our promos. Giovanni in Jacksonville. Oh,
don't tell me, it's like eighty degrees in Sonny. Please
don't do that. Okay, go ahead, Giovanni. How you doing?

Speaker 5 (31:48):
Hey, I'm good falling that.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (31:51):
You're doing the best we can?

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yeah, yeah, I hear that.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
So I'm a first time caller of been listening to guys.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Thank you so appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
Off want to say, you guys do a really good
job throughout the media team. You guys put out a
lot of good stuff. So to say the same thank
you to Giants fan and cool. I know it's been
really hard and difficult for the last few years, but
I gotta say I'm just like very concerned with the
team's morale right now. I gotta say I got to
agree with the last caller too. Coach had a lot
of good points. Pretty much hit everything that I wanted

(32:20):
to actually talk about. But as far as like the
morale the team goes, you guys sent anything different offensively
or defensively? And what do you guys think about utilizing
Abdul Carter more ed to the linebacker from his experience
in Penn State and switching out roles between edge and
linebacker for like running downs, because I feel like he
can make a huge difference in impact.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Right, why don't you take Carter? I'll take the morale question.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
All right, Well, we did see Abduil Carter play a
little bit at linebacker early on in the season, you know,
right when Mike and McFadden got hurt, he played a
little bit in that role, and you know, he played solid.
But I think we've seen Abdul at his best when
he's rushing the quarterback and playing his you know, I guess,
more natural position. I think, you know, it looks like

(33:07):
Darius Moossout might not be able to or likely won't
be able to suit up this weekend, so you know,
maybe they revert back to Abdul at least getting some
playing time at that linebacker position. But I mean, we
want our the Giants want the best players playing. I
guess at their best positions, the positions that they could
just play most naturally. And I think we all want

(33:29):
to see Abdual Carter getting after the quarterback, which you
don't really do that often at linebacker. Could he play
somewhat of a role there, especially this weekend given Moois
How's injury. Yeah, I would not be surprised at all,
But I don't think putting him there is you know,
primary role next to Bobby Ocaake. I don't think that's
the best role for abduall in this defense.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
And as far as the shikey the team goes, they
took two huge right crosses to the jaw with the
fourth down lass the fourth quarter law to the Denver Broncos,
followed by the Scataboo broken ankle in well dislocated ankle.
I know, I don't want to get into medical terms here,
but the ankle injury suffered in Philadelphia back to back

(34:12):
weeks with the fourth down, a fourth quarter let down,
and then Scataboo, who was such an energizer bunny for
this team, as is Jackson Dart. But you had two, right,
you had two energizer Bunnies between Darton Scataboo and then
Scataboo went down, And that says nothing of the fact
that Malik Neighbors went down really early in the season.

(34:33):
And he was also a guy who could give you
a lot of juice and electricity. So I don't disagree
with you. I think the Psyche has been badly bruised
here with this team. I don't see guys in the
locker room moping. I don't see them feeling sorry for
each other. I don't see them, you know, with their
heads down. I won't go that far. It hasn't gotten

(34:55):
there yet, but I do believe they certainly have been
badly bruised.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah. I mean, Jackson kind of even spoke about it
after last this past Sunday's game, you know, he said it,
of course, it's very tough to lose no one. None
of those guys are practicing and putting all the hard
work in all week and are not going to be
disappointed it comes Sunday if the team falls. But I
agree with I agree with everything you just said, Paul me.
You know, we see the guys in the locker room
every day. They act the same as that they did

(35:22):
in the beginning of the season. You know, obviously a
loss on Sunday, the next day when they're especially when
they're going over the film and we're not in the
locker room on Mondays, I would assume, you know, those days,
morale might be a little bit low. But come Wednesday,
when the next you know, the next week sort of starts,
the practice week starts, it is all focused towards this

(35:42):
upcoming Sunday. They completely put the previous week behind them.
What's done is done, and they just focus on doing
whatever they can to win this upcoming week. We've seen
it throughout the season. We saw it after the Broncos game,
after the Scadboo injury. Obviously it didn't lead to wins
the following week, but the guys are acting, you know,
the same as they did at the beginning of the year.
They're still puting in just as much hard work. And

(36:06):
I do think obviously, with any team, losing takes a toll.
No one wants to be two and seven in that
locker room. I can promise you that. But it's not,
you know, affecting. It doesn't seem like it is affecting
their their psyche.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
I would say, do you Bonnie anything else.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
Yeah, I just want to say thank you for your
perspective on that. I'm just more worried about like the
culture or the organization as a whole with all the
negative you know, talk about the team and the morale
and everyone's outside perspective. Like I know, the players don't
really need to pay attention to that, but as fans,
I think we're more concerned with the losing culture. We
don't want it to affect all the rookies because they're

(36:43):
really talented and we just want them to play their
best ball. So I think they need to just you know,
come together, have one person take the leadership position on
defense and offense, and just you know, rally the troops
and kind of just play their best ball. So looking
forward to watching the game this weekend. No, go be Blue.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Okay, thanks for calling, Please do it again.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Thank you Giovanni. And I get what he's saying. From
the fan perspective, I get it makes total sense.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
I do want you to pay attention to one thing, though.
It would be very easy if things are falling downhill
or the mud slide is coming downhill, if you will,
it would be very easy. At the end of a
game just to basically collapse, fumble, throw an interception, fall apart,
and just basically just you know, fall on the sword,

(37:31):
so to speak. Jackson Dart doesn't do that. I mean,
he says he wants to play every play to the
end of a game, because he said, look what happened
in Denver, you never know what could happen. So I
want to play every snap. I hate to lose. I
will never give up. And his attitude is certainly admirable.

(37:51):
It's infectious, and it shows that he hasn't lost any
of that spark despite the doldrums of the losses. He's
been bruised like everybody else, but he hasn't lost the fire.
So I don't think you need to worry about that
because what you saw last week, the Niners were in
complete control the second half of that game. And to
some people, and I've said this on other shows Big

(38:13):
Bull kick Off on Monday, and I think I said
it on another show last night or Wednesday night. Here's
the thing about dark It would have been very easy
for him, even if he's in the game, not to
try to reignite a flame on that offense. But you
know what, they had two fourth quarter possessions and he
led them to two touchdown drives. Okay, this kid wants

(38:39):
to learn something from every snap and he wants to
be productive with every snap. That fire has not extinguished.
I think that's important because what he does, what he
did Sunday, and I understand big picture, big picture, that's
what I'm talking about here.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Value there.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Little picture the game, it means nothing. It's garbage time.
Your team's getting crushed. The Niners are answering. Every time
you try to get up on your knees, they're kicking
you back down again. So small picture, game wise, it
meant nothing. Those two touchdowns were garbage time. I understand
everybody out there who wants to be disgusted, aggravated, frustrated

(39:23):
and wants to say garbage time is irrelevant. I understand
why you say that. But if you have enough of
perspective and big picture, you see that that's exactly how
you want Jackson Dart to respond with those two fourth
quarter touchdown drives because that proves that he has not
fallen into a loser's mentality.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah, I agree. You want your rookie quarterback to you know,
not stop playing until the very final whistle. So there's
full all zeros on the clock. As he spoke about
the other day, you want to instill that mentality into
your young rookie quarterback who you hope to be the
leader of this franchise for the next decade plus. On
the flip side, I will just say, especially after watching

(40:08):
what happened with the Washington Commanders the other day, and
I know he was asked about this Jackson on Wednesday,
if the Giants are down three possessions and there's about
three four minutes left on the clock, we don't need
to see Jackson taking so many running with the ball
and taking unnecessary hits.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
That's a different issue entirely.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
That's every question the whole entire fan base I feel
like would agree with, or I've seen them, you know,
tweeting this throughout the week. You know, I'm all for
everything you just said. I want Jackson to be out
there still trying to lead the team to points, even
if the game is out of hand, even if the
game is over, but especially I mean throughout the game,
we want Jackson to not take unnecessary hits. But especially

(40:51):
when you're at a point where it's pretty abundantly clear
that there's not going to be a comeback. It's just
almost physically impossible. That is the time of or we
don't need necessarily Jackson to take those big hits. Like
last week he had that one run against the forty
nine ers who was on the sideline. The game was
already out of hand, and he could have easily just
stepped out, and instead he kind of lowered his shoulder

(41:13):
and initiated contact with the forty nine ers. Defender a
situation like that, I would rather him just take a
step out. You get the same amount of yardage and
you don't have to take that big hit on your shoulder,
even though he looked like he was looking for it,
obviously he was looking for the contact. Those are the
sort of plays, especially leaning the game that's out of hand.
I kind of wish Jackson would just take a step

(41:35):
out of bounce.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
You just melted three different topics into one there, because
what one topic is Dard's self preservation no matter what
time the game is in, Yes, is act. But I
got understand him.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
I understand him fighting for extra yardage in close games
or early on in the game, fighting for that first down.
That I can understand right.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
And at any time during the game when it's relevant,
that's fine, But so Topic one is he has to
understand how to preserve his own body for his own good.
Number two, you got to figure out whether or not
he should or should not be in the game, and
that's not a decision that we're paid to make. Number
three is if he's going to be in there. I

(42:14):
do want him to have the fire and the spark
for every snap that he is on the field, and
whenever he's whenever he's taken out of the game, that's
out of his control. He cannot control whether or not
he is taking snaps when he is in the game, though,
I want him to show fire. But again, going back
to topic one, he's got to be smart.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
About He's gonna say, you can show fire, but in
a way that doesn't put yourself so much at risk,
no doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
But three topics kind of meet loafed into one. Line three.
David in North Carolina, you're next on the program.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
Hello, Hello, how's it going? Jonah?

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Very good, sir, How are you?

Speaker 4 (42:49):
I'm good? I kind of pointing back to coach Marvin's
opening call there in kind of you know, whether you
want to say criticizing coaching or you know, doing something different.
You know, to me, you guys stated in the office

(43:11):
we're we're you know, we're definitely beat up linebacking corps secondary,
so you know, and then you've stated some very good
points I appreciate as well about you know, the conditionings.
This is not looking so great. This uh, this coming Sunday.
So you know, maybe that helps the beat up secondary
you know, in this game, to help cover some things.

(43:32):
But it also emphasizes what I think you guys were
alluding to that, Hey, if the Bears were going to
come in running the ball, they're definitely going to be
looking to run it now, which with the way we've
been playing it isn't good.

Speaker 6 (43:44):
So that leads me to this.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
You know, yes, we've got injuries. Hey Michael mc McFadden,
great player for us and think a lot of him,
but he was here last year racking up tackles in
our run defense wasn't very good. So what troubles me
is the on defense being such an issue when you
have a man with the talent and size of the

(44:05):
Dexter Lawrence. And that's what I really wanted to focus on, was,
you know, it doesn't mean that having somebody like that's
going to give you a top ten rush defense, but
they're usually respectable, you know. I think about, obviously we
had Damon Harrison here. I think about growing up the
big pluggers like Teddy Washington, Sam Adams, those type of guys,

(44:26):
and when you're talking to star players, you know, some
people got coach Marvin, you know. Unfortunately the game we're
playing in today, you have to coddle guys a little
bit and maybe have to go about it a different way.
And I'm not saying they do that with Dexter, but
if I was Shane Bullen, especially with the conditions you
guys laid it out, this would be my approach to
the game this week and maybe going forward this season,

(44:49):
you know, and I would go to Dutch Lawns and saying,
I know there's a lot of talk out there about
have you lost interest? You know, have we taken it
or are we taking it to He's on you and
I'll hold you accountable. Is there an injury going on
with the elbow lingering, et cetera, et cetera. I don't
know what you know, Dexter. All I know is when

(45:10):
I look on the take you're commanding double teams, and
maybe you're not beating them like you did in the past,
but you're still commanding them. So let me, as a
coach and a coordinator, takes the heat for the lack
of you getting stacked. And what I'm asking you to do, Dexter,
is I want to put you right over the center.
That's a nose down in and down out, and I

(45:33):
don't care if you get any pressure up the middle.
To Coach Marvin's point, maybe I'll start disguising some blizzes
where Abdul Carter can come crash the middle from an
inside linebacker position. But Dexter, I want you right over
the center playing those and you're going to eat up
two blocks every time the ball snap and dag of it.
We're not gonna get run up the gut on anymore.

(45:56):
We may get run on the edges, we may get
you know, creased out there, but up the middle is
going to stop. And it's going to stop this Sunday
because of the conditions and how much teams just disrespect us.
There is no reason if you put big man in
the middle of that defense, over the center, down in

(46:16):
and down out, don't line him up to the left
or right and get cute and get greedy, wanting that
dexter a large pressure because it hasn't been there this year,
and he eats up a double team every time. There's
no reason whoever we have playing linebacker with Bobby ocare
Cake that they can't hit the gaps and fill the
gas and the safeties come down to deal and that
should help immensely solve the run game right there. But

(46:39):
it's going to take a coach with the bravery to say, hey,
I know sacks are sexy. I know the stacks are sexy,
but right now we're getting gashed and we can't stop
anything because our corners are beat up. We've got weaknesses
out there. We need to strengthen something up because right
now it's the leaking boat and you can't fix all
the leap. You just can't. So to me, that would

(47:03):
be my approach this game and maybe for the rest
of the year, is putting Big ninety seven right over
the center and saying, hey, my friend, let me take
the heat for you. I don't care if you don't
get a sack this year. You're going to be a
run plugger for the rest of this season. And I'll
take it off there and get your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
It's not a bad idea. Thank you so much for
the phone call, because there are so many different ways
you can go here. In all honesty, there really are.
The one number I will give you, which is something
that everybody has to chew on when they start trying
to hypothesize what the Giants might be able to try.
That is next Gen Stats, which just came out this
week with a number that Dexter Lawrence has been double

(47:40):
teamed on sixty percent of his snaps and that is
the highest percentage of anybody in the National Football.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
League, second year in a row.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
That number did come out this week. That was not
a Giant's number. That was not just about playing nose
tackle or playing you know, in the different gap as
John talked about on Monday. Extend Stat says period most
double team player on defense in the league this year,
Dexter Lawrence at sixty percent. That's just a fact. So

(48:10):
anything that you want to do to hypothesize how to
help this defense, you do have to take that as
a very significant part of your equation.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
One hundred percent. I think just I guess some of
the frustration maybe from fans perspectives is as I just said,
it's the second year in a row he led the league,
has led the league in double team rate. But last
year he was, you know, still playing it at all
pro level. Prior to his injury. He had nine sacks
in the first was in like eight games of the
season something like.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Imagine that he missed the last third of the season.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah, he was leading the league in sacks at one point.
So I think that's how superhuman he was, one hundred percent.
I think that's just what the frustration stems from. It's like,
this is not new, but it just last year he
was still that pro, all pro Pro Bowl force, and
this year the production has not been there close to that,
of which I can understand that frustration. I don't We

(49:03):
don't know if something, you know, in terms of his
recovery from the last year's injury maybe still lingering and
still affecting him in some way. It could be. We
have no idea.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
I'm just going to throw one tiny observation out there
while you say this, I want to interrupt for one
moment because last week there was a practice and it
was the first one all year that he practiced without
the elbow brace. Just an interesting fact.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
I did see him have it back on quick then
he put it back on. It is still affecting him.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
And no player, no NFL player, is going to admit
that injuries have impacted his play for two reasons. One,
he has too much pride to do that. Okay, he's
not he's not going to do that. And he's certainly
not going to tell the opposition that, oh, I don't
have And again I'm being hypothetical. Player X is not
going to tell the opposition, oh I don't have much

(49:58):
much strength. There was more or with flexibility as I
used to have in my arm. You know why, because
they're gonna look to take advantage of that. Every single
opportunity they get, they will target it. So no player,
and I know Dexter Lawrence has said he's fine. No
player is going to tell you that he's playing with
a specifically injured limb. It's not going to happen in

(50:21):
this league. That's just not It's just not practical. So
is it possible Is it possible that since I've only
seen him in one practice without the brace this year,
is it possible that something might be up? I don't
know the answer to that, because dexter as per par
for the course is telling everybody he's fine.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Yeah, I mean, it could just be you know, lingering
effects from the thing. Could be I don't think it's
like a new injury or anything like.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
It could be a preventative so that he doesn't aggravate
it or make it occur a second time. Could be
a number of things. It could also be psychological. Folks,
if you've ever played sports all right in a competitive
nature and you had to wind up wearing goggles or
wearing a brace all of a sudden. I've come into

(51:12):
many athletes in all my years of covering sports who
will tell you psychologically it can mess them up, and
they got to get over the hurdle because either they're
going to play with the brace and get over that
and do what they're supposed to do, or you know what,
they're going to get rid of the brace. And sometimes

(51:33):
the trainers with the school if it's a college program,
or the team if it's a pro program, are going
to say to the player, no, no, no, no, we're recommending,
medically speaking, you wear that thing. Well, then you have
to wonder, you know, what is the potential barrier that

(51:53):
may be psychologically impacting that player's performance.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Yeah, then just going back to the something the callers,
we've obviously seen Dexter be probably you know, cause wreck
the most havoc lining up right over the center. So
I don't disagree with him at all about you know, correct,
that's probably a good place for Dexter Lawrence run up.
The thing is, though, I don't know if you know,
putting him there every single snap, I don't know if

(52:18):
that's necessarily gonna just automatically boost the run defense. Because
you know, I've said this the last couple of weeks,
and each week we've seen it come the following Sunday,
But the Giants are getting gashed more so on the
outside than up the gut. It's the runs to the outside,
outside the tackles that is just gashing this defense week

(52:39):
in and week out. You know, whether it's you know,
the edge of you guys struggling to set the edge,
or the normal starting defensive backs not being not being
out there, and then you're having backups there, injuries at linebacker,
whatever the reasons might be. I'm not gonna pinpoint one thing.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
But it's really too many.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Yeah, but it's really been the runs outside side that
the Giants have been like almost historically bad, at least
in terms of the last you know, decades, since next
Gen Stat started tracking all these different metrics and analytics,
the Giants have been among at least two weeks ago,
they were the worst at stopping runs to the outside
in the last decade. And I can't imagine it's gotten
much better in these last two games.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
And I want to make something clear too, And this
is a good point that you're bringing up, Matt, because
Keeveon Thibbodeau has played well as an edge setter. But
here's the problem. Okay, if you are the edge setter
on Thibodeau's side, and he is sustaining his piece of
real estate, he's holding up that block or he's not

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given any any any real estate up and he forces
the runner to the outside, Well, that goes down as
a win for him. He won his his his assignment.
He did not let that guy cut it up inside
or run at him. He forced him to the sideline. Well,
now it's up to the corner or the safety or

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one of the inside backers to loop around him, get
out there to the sideline and knock that guy out
of bounds or tackle him. You see, And that's why
it's it's it's important for people to understand Kaevon Thibodeaux.
Thibodeau has played very well against the run this year.
In fact, the last two years he's played very well

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against the run. So don't don't misinterpret or misunderstand that
he's an edge guy. He's on the outside and teams
are running to the outside, so he must be terrible.
That's not true. He can consistently do his job, but
that means the other guys who are being set up

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by what he's doing are not doing their jobs. It's
important to differentiate that one percent two on one nine
three nine four five one three. If somebody wants to
get in, we'll try to get in another call or two.
Matt or Pearson, you have on the Giants huddle this week,
I think something new just went up in it.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Yes, yeah, we had an interview with Tyler Nuban and
just talks about season and how they can get better
in the run defense. Kind of good interview though.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Well again as a safety. Right, as a safety, he's
one of those guys who has to line up some
of the run fits from the back end, and when
guys are being funnel to different spots, he's one of
those guys who has to come up and plug.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
It one hundred percent. And you know, hopefully Javon Holland,
if he's able to return, he will help with that.
You know, even Cordell Flatt, he's obviously the starting corner.
Obviously he's not necessarily out there for his run defense,
of course, but you know, just getting your starters back
should provide just an overall boost to the defense. Obviously,

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flots are turned is way more of an impact on
your passing games defense, which thank god he's hopefully back,
because Roma Dunsday and DJ Moore is not a cupcake
matchup wide receiver duo to go up against this week.
So you know, slowly this defense is starting to regain
some of its health. Hopefully that will have an impact overall,

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but especially when it comes to the run defense.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
We have two minutes left on the program, and let's
go to Phil in North Carolina. You're gonna wrap us
up today. Hello Phil, Phil, are you there?

Speaker 6 (56:25):
Paul? I was listening to what you were saying on
the run defense, and I'm gonna I coached. I was
a defensive coordinator in middle school for the new school
kid for about eight years. So, well, how I taught
the dns would be to go upfield about three yards
and invite the runner.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
To cut inside between. Yeah, you can do that.

Speaker 6 (56:48):
Too inside Yeah, sure, so so so so, And if
they wanted to go outside, then they would have to
have a significant bend right that would give ample time
for the the outside linebackers or the corner to come
up on r or.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
The safety for that matter. Sure.

Speaker 6 (57:11):
Yes, So when I heard what you were saying, it
almost sounded the opposite of that philosophy.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
No, not at all, Yeah, not at all. We agree totally.
But there is another part to this which I left
off only because a lot of people are looking at
Cavon and saying, well, he's out there on the edge.
How come people are running out there to the sideline. Well,
that's because that he is not the guy who necessarily
is supposed to track the guy out to the sideline.

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If someone is funneling out to the sideline, he's the
one who's spreading that guy out to the sideline to
hopefully make him run out of room. But the other,
as you say, the other job of Cavon is to
also cut that off and make the guy come inside
and hopefully there's another defender they are waiting to gobble
him up. There were, there were no question you he

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has multiple responsibilities.

Speaker 6 (58:03):
You're right, okay, all right, gotcha? All right, no problem,
that's five.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
I appreciate that you did. Thank you due.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
We'll say just on that one point. I will point
out that two weeks ago against the Eagles, that long
Saquon Barkley touchdown run at the beginning, that's exactly what happened.
Brian Burns pushed the offense. The left tackle was a
Jordan mailatta back, you know, setting the edge, but then
Taquon cut it inside like, got that lane right inside,

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nobody was home, and took it sixty five yards to
the house because no one was there. So well, again,
run defense is a team effort.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
It has to be.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
It can't just be one guy doing his job, one
guy doing It's got to be everyone doing their jobs.
Otherwise you're gonna have plays like that Saquon run where
he has a wide open lane and just takes it
sixty five yards.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
You've been doing shows will be long enough. It's a
spider web, yes, every strand of the spider Web impacts
another strand. That's the way this game is played, and
it's why it's the greatest game in the universe, because
it is a spider Web. Folks, that'll do it. For
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