Cowboys StoryLine: Mike Check

The uncertainty surrounding the coaching staff continues as the callers give their reasons why should McCarthy stay or go.

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
This is Cowboys Storyline with Nick Eatman. What's up? Welcome
to Cowboys Storyline. Good morning everyone, I'm Nick Eatman. It
is an off season edition here. This is gonna be
our regular time Wednesday, January eighth, but Wednesdays at nine

(00:33):
thirty ish Central Time, maybe nine thirty most of the time.
And let's we can go for our full hour, maybe
a little bit longer than that. Don't get in anyone's way.
Give Chris a chance to have some breaks a little
bit in between shows and kind of use you know,
this is what happens when you get to the off

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season and you can kind of stretch out a little bit,
stretch out your legs, stretch out your arms, stretch out
the shows a little bit. That's what we're doing, all right.
A lot of I wouldn't say a lot of news,
but still it's it's off season news. Ken and still
figuring out what's going on with the head coaching situation.
Reports are saying that the Cowboys are not not letting

(01:15):
Mike McCarthy interview right now with the Bears I think
a lot of people are assuming that that means he
is definitely coming back. Why would you do that, right
Why would you say now you can't interview here and
then and then not bring him back. And that kind
of is what it looks like as well. But let's
not forget that there's going to be a negotiation here

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and that's what they're doing. They're negotiating with Jerry's negotiating
with Mike McCarthy, if that's what's being done, And so
just think of it that way. If that is the case,
and he is negotiating, try to get a new contract
and figure out all that that's in place, why would
you let him go talk to the Bears when you
don't have to. Why would you mess out You're not

(01:57):
negotiating with anyone else right now, just him? Nobody is
allowed to do that. And so that's that could be
part of it too, like, hey, we're trying to get
this thing done, and we need to get this done
the right way, and here's the parameters and all that,
and if you don't like it, you don't like it.
But but you don't need him to go talking to
other teams and then come back and say, well, you know, well,

(02:19):
this is the price now and all that when you
don't have to negotiate with anyone. So I do think
it's a sign he could come back, but it also
doesn't mean it's one hundred percent. That's what it means.
That's at least my interpretation of it. All right, let's
go to the phones. We'll start us off. Irene in
falls chart, Virginia, Irene, what's up?

Speaker 4 (02:35):
Okay, Ready to go.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
So I have no idea of what Jerry's doing with
blocking the Bears and other potential suitors. If he actually
wants Mic back, or if he's trying to drive the
price down artificially by shutting down the market.

Speaker 6 (02:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
But what I do know is next to is your Wednesday.
We're going to have an impromptu presser, and we're going
to pretend all the awkwardness from last season to now
never happened and that Mike has always and Jerry's guys.

Speaker 7 (03:00):
That's my prediction.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
I guess I don't really know it, but I feel it.
My question for the storyliners, I want to know, now
that we're not a factor, who do we want to
win the well? Who do people want to win the
Super Bowl. And I know the answer to my other question,
who we least want to win it. I know most

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people say Eagles on that one. Me is definitely Washington
for sure for winner.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
They're not winning. I can promise you. I promise you
that you look at their season, they're they're the most
they're the most fortunate football team in the world. And
I'll say this, they are not better than the Cowboys,
and that we've seen it twice and it's very clear
they are not a better football team than the Cowboys.
So but and you know, look, look what and give

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them credit. It's just one of those years. This is
the twenty sixteen Cowboys wrapped up into one. This is
it young rookie quarterback, just a new team, and it's
all working for you. You get Hail Mary's, you're getting
the Eagles to drop passes, you're getting last second touchdowns,
You're getting all this kind of stuff, and you know
it'll it'll fall flat when it's supposed to because I

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just don't think they're that good of a team. So
I don't know about the rest of the league. I
know they're not winning the Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
Yeah, same. I would love to see the Battle of
the oen Force Minnesota and the Bills, and so I
guess Minnesota in that, but they're not going to do
it either. What I saw what happened the other day anyway,
So let me tell you one thing from last night
that had Davy on rolling. So the fans here, I
know what you just said. I believe you're right, but

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the fans here on some special sauce, for sure. I
sent my best friend a link to a theater troupe
that does something called drunk Shakespeare, and she answered me
and she's like, well, with football on during the weekend,
it's going to be hard to go. Hopefully it comes
back in the spring, and I'm like, this thing goes
on forever. You did not need to, like like pointed
out that you're still in the playoffs and we're not,

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and that I can be in off season mode.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Anyway.

Speaker 6 (05:00):
That's it.

Speaker 8 (05:01):
I'll talk to you.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
I'm interested to hear what people say.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
All right, sounds good. Who do you want to Who
do you want to win the Super Bowl? Who do
you definitely not want to win? I mean, at this point,
it's you know, like I never really have a problem
with the Chiefs winning it. If they do, you know,
and this could be the year somebody, somebody that hasn't won. Yeah,

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look like like she said, I mean Buffalo, Detroit, maybe Minnesota.
Trying to think who else is I guess chargers are
not waying. I don't let them go either. All right,
let's go to Dylan in Northport, Florida.

Speaker 6 (05:40):
Fomix.

Speaker 9 (05:41):
Nice sweater, dude. I like that sweater a lot.

Speaker 7 (05:43):
I gotta give me one of those.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Thank you. I don't know if you ConTroll with me.
If you are, that's fine, feels no.

Speaker 9 (05:50):
I know I'm starky sometimes I do like that sweater.
I think I got to get one of these.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
I appreciate it. I wasn't sure about this this choice today,
but if it is, it is warm here and it's
not warm outside. But that's it for weather. All right, Dylan,
what's up?

Speaker 9 (06:05):
Shout out to Robin Sydney. Call from the future yesterday.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
That was that was a good call, good dude.

Speaker 9 (06:10):
Our storyliners groove so.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, yeah from from Australia. Yeah, yeah, from the future.
My bad, it's taking me a while. I was about
to ask you, when's the last time in Florida? Was
the last time anybody wore a sweater?

Speaker 9 (06:23):
You know, like, oh it's old man, it's like forty
degrees today, it's freezing.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's not but whatever, all right, Dan, let's go all.

Speaker 9 (06:30):
Right, all right, this team, man, it's uh, it's a
rudderless ship to me. Right now, I feel like we're
kind of sucking and a rudderless ship.

Speaker 10 (06:40):
Okay, we're stuck out in the ocean.

Speaker 9 (06:43):
We don't know where we're going.

Speaker 6 (06:44):
Right.

Speaker 9 (06:45):
So they they extend Dak Prescott last year, but they
leave Mike McCarthy on a one year proved deal. Right,
So by extending Dak, they're saying that the team is staff,
everybody's good enough to go and win. That's what it
says to me, which I didn't disagree with. But then
they tell him, Mike, go out and prove it and
do that. And so if he doesn't prove himself, that
tells me, well, you're going to move on from him.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
And now you're.

Speaker 9 (07:03):
Wasting one of two years in Dax's extension. Now fast
forward on the flip side, there's a good chance might
comes back. But what did he prove to come back?
He didn't prove himself to me. But who's a lot
of injuries.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
But who said prove it, like you're you guys are
saying that, But Jerry didn't say this is He never
said that this is a prove it deal. That's what
you're thinking that it means by not having a contract
for next season. But I don't Jerry never said this
is a prove you know, prove it and prove what?
What did he prove? What did he not prove?

Speaker 6 (07:34):
You know?

Speaker 1 (07:34):
I mean, like so, I don't know. I think sometimes
we get caught up in what things mean and so
we just kind of go with it. But I don't
think Jerry ever said that he's got to go to
this round of the playoffs or he doesn't come back.
I don't think.

Speaker 9 (07:46):
I don't think it's a proven in terms of getting
to a certain place in the playoffs and getting past
the division around and all that. I think it's just
prove that by not offering him an extension, or maybe
he did offer him extension, he didn't take it, who knows,
like you said, but by not extending him tells me,
you've got to prove yourself this year that you deserve
an extension. And maybe I'm wrong, like you're saying, and means,

(08:07):
but the assumption to me is that that's what that means.
If you're not giving the coach a contract, then you
got to prove it.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
He might have moved a lot more than you think, though, Like, honestly,
see because we again and and and no offense.

Speaker 9 (08:21):
He had the team playing right, Okay, so credit to him,
But there was three, at least three losses where the
players and the coach came out and said they weren't prepared, right.
That's that's a major strike to me. Play calling again
was a concern clockman who was a concern. Maybe he
won't be the play caller this next time around. So okay,
that's great, But and I get both arguments in keeping Mike,
but at this point, I'm like, what did he do

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to prove himself if this was a proven deal. And
the whole point is, it just feels like we're shooting
from the hip. Here is what it feels like to me.
I don't see the vision for the team. Maybe I'm
just dumb or blind. I know they're not going to
tell us what the vision is flat out, but uh,
I don't see. I don't understan where kind of where
this team is heading at the moment.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
And that's the thing, and and and Jerry appreciate the
call of Dylan always. And I think Jerry is totally
fine with that. He's fine with with media, fans, maybe
the players, maybe the coaches. What are we doing when
you're you know, when you're the decision maker, you can

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do that, you know, as long as he's he's got
his plan or or in place or whatever. My point
was that and and I'm I'm with you. I'm guys,
I've been in a fifty to fifty on this whole thing,
Like if he comes back, that's fine. And and a
lot of that is selfish, I've admitted on here. It's
a lot easier offseason when you're when you're kind of
status quote. Now, there will be a lot of coaches,
there'll be a lot of changes, there'll be some free

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agent changes and all that. But you know, you're you're
not worry you're not wondering about you know, how this
is done, and that is done, and and and just
new new concepts and things like that, and and and
you've got to remember, a coaching change is not just
we're bringing this guy in. You know, you got to
you've got to have a lot of interviews and at

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least a handful of them, and so it's a it's
a process. It takes it takes longer, so that's easier
when it's not the case. But if they do make
a change, I'll understand the reasons why as well. So
and I'll understand the reasons why they that that he stays.
What I'm trying to point out is that let's not

(10:23):
get caught up in talk radio that you hear the
people on on the Twitter spaces and and all the
you know, all the the rhetoric that we hear. Sometimes
we get caught up and believe that that's the case
when Jerry has never said that. He never said what
what Mike has to do to come back, He never

(10:45):
said what a one year deal means for him, and
so and you got to remember he he he evaluates
the team a lot differently than than what we see.
You know, we see it's got to be this, it's
got to be that, or you would have signed him
and Jerry. You know, you're getting dangerous when you get
into the mind of Jerry and trying to trying to
figure out what he's actually thinking of reading between the lines.

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That's been something that the guys that have covered this
team for thirty to forty years. Still I can't master
that's that's Jerry being Jerry. All Right, let's go to
Irwin and Denver.

Speaker 10 (11:17):
Hey, Nick, how's it going good.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
I'm doing great. Hey, Just a couple of things, And
I wanted to get your opinion on it as far
as McCarthy goes. I'm you know, I'm kind of neutral
and I don't really care either way Jerry decides to
do on it, but I do. I do want to
say a couple of things, and I think that's kind
of going against him, and I want to get your
thoughts on it. Is One, I don't really think he's

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a great play cooler like he might think he is. One.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Two.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
The other thing with McCarthy is they have a real
issue with penalties, and I think that's a coachable thing.

Speaker 11 (11:53):
And the other thing.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
One more thing about this is I hear a lot
of people talking about that McCarthy's a really great code
and he's taking a team to a super Bowl and
they won. That's true, they did, yep. But let's not
get that he also had a Hall of Fame quarterback
in Aaron Rodgers. And I don't think we have that
on our team, at least not yet, and I don't

(12:14):
know if that'll ever happen, and I just want to
get your thoughts on them.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
I'll say this, and I don't like to kind of
make some of those comments with you off the air,
I'll just say it back to you. I hate that
argument about Aaron Rodgers because Aaron Rodgers has never won
without him. So and I'm not saying it's Mike, but
I'm saying this. If he is like Luke Skywalker, like
people like to think that he is, why hasn't he
won with anyone else? And so I think I do

(12:42):
think it was whatever the reason that they figured out
that team that year they came to this stadium, they won.
They had like twenty guys on injury reserve, they figured
it out, And yes, I'm sure Aaron Rodgers was a
big part of that. You know, the same with like
Drew Brees and Sean Payton. With Sean Payton winner, I
mean the reason for that was Drew Brees. But he's

(13:02):
never won without him, so you know you know what
I'm saying, Like, like I I I don't love that
argument because I have Aaron Rodgers has never hoisted another trophy.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
No, that's you're You're absolutely correct about that. But they
they also had a really good defense too, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
They did Woodson Charles Woodson, And you're right, that was
a that was definitely a better team. And but but
the experience part of it is being there, being in
the moment, undersid. How do you practice on the for
the NFC Championship game, how do you practice for the
for the Super Bowl? Do you take your team early?
Do you take I mean just all those things you

(13:39):
got to do that that's part of the experience and
you would love for him to get there. Now you
can make the argument, then why can't you win in
the playoffs here? And that that it's a valid argument.
They have not They have not won here. They have
not figured out a way to win past the division round.
And that's what he was brought in to be a
guy with experience to do. Again, I I could argue
both sides, and I can. I can do that because

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that's how close this this is.

Speaker 12 (14:02):
For me.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
I see both angles of this, and I'll let you
guys kind of rant and and and and say what
you think because I I can. I can definitely see
both sides.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Right, what do you think about his play calling and
the penalties.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Have just been all right, you know, thanks for the call,
appreciate good stuff. I I don't love the play calling.
I don't. I don't. I don't. Then again, I've never
called a play you know, with real people, you know,
my little computerized guys that I call those plays. But

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sometimes but no, I I just I don't see the
game that the same way that that he sees it.
So there's a lot of times where I I don't
agree with it. I'm I'm probably a lot more conservative,
honestly as as a play caller than than I think
he is. There's been times where he's throw on the

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ball on third down, fourth down, with the lead late
in the game where I like the forty seconds you know,
coming off the clock more than I like getting it here,
and and uh, you know make trying to pass the
ball and and and all that stuff. So I there's
been too many times like this year where I didn't,
I didn't really love it. And in this last game,

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it was it was so off for me that I
I even questioned whether or not they were trying to
score points or or really evaluate Trey Lance because I
you just don't call those plays down there like like that.
You just don't. You just don't throw fade routes to
to Brandon Cooks when when everyone including Deuce Fawn is

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gashing them up the middle. I don't know if they
could stop them. I don't know if they could stop
Rico and and and and then if not, fake it
and roll him out, because that's what Trey Lance can do.
He can roll roll out. I'm not sure if he
wouldn't have when he did the rollout and the short
hopped it to Tabrico, I'm not sure he couldn't have
pumped that and ran and ran it in. You know,

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he's so long and lanky that that you know there's
ways to do that. So I just I don't know.
You've had him for two seasons now, you see what
he can do on the scouts team. You know what
he can run and all that. I just I didn't
love it. So I don't love I don't necessarily love
all the play on the penalties. It's you know, it's

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it's a it's a that's part of preparation as well.
I'll say this, it took somewhat defend the team when
when you do have a ton of injuries, and people
don't like to say that it's excuse, but it's just
the facts. I mean, when you have a lot of injuries,
that means you have a lot of different players playing.
You have players playing not as not as practicing as

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much as you should. That's where you're gonna get a
lot of confusion. And that's where I think you're gonna
get a lot of penalties, especially the procedural ones, lining
up wrong, twelve men on the field, things like that.
Some of the those are product of the injuries as well.
And let's not act like they haven't continued to cut
down practice time over and over again. But then again,

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that's another side. I don't think the Cowboys practice as
much as they probably could and should, and sometimes it shows.
All right, let's go to Jeremy DC.

Speaker 13 (17:20):
Hey, yo, Nick, what's up man?

Speaker 1 (17:21):
How are you doing?

Speaker 13 (17:22):
I'm doing all right, man, I ain't spoke to you
all year.

Speaker 10 (17:24):
Man.

Speaker 8 (17:25):
How you been.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
I'm good, good, good, good.

Speaker 7 (17:28):
You too.

Speaker 10 (17:30):
You've been staying out of trouble.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
I got you. Y oh yeah, yeah, we'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 10 (17:34):
Day's not over yet, all right, man. So just to
piggyback a little, bit over what you were saying.

Speaker 13 (17:40):
You know already how I felt about Mike McCarthy. I
feel like he's going to be here because I feel
like Jerry would not want to like change the have
a complete change of the offense, being as though he
just resigned that and that would really handicap the offense
if he bring in a complete overhaul. And then I

(18:02):
also the question that I forgot the other day was
basically that question that Randy asked yesterday about Miles Garrett,
and that's crazy. And then I wanted to ask you
with the first round pick would you want to get?

Speaker 14 (18:17):
Who would you want to pick?

Speaker 13 (18:18):
I me myself personally, I feel like we should get
either a wide receiver to help CD limb or offensive
lineman because we need help there. And my number for
the day is fifty two Protexter Cochley. And then how
do you what do you think about because I saw
that Mike Zimmer interview and like it does seem like

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either the heck either the defensive coordinated thing is a
little too much more or he don't want to come back.
So how do you feel if they made our heirst
the DC and Mike Zimmer his assistant.

Speaker 8 (18:59):
And that's all.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
I yeah, Mike Zimmer, the assistant to Al Harris. It
will snow in Oxnard. It will No, it will snow
in Oxnard training camp before that happens. Sorry, I tried
to tell y'all last week, and I read between the

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lines that ain't happening, all right. No, no, no, that
that that is the outside of the of the universe
right there. That's not outside of the happening at all.
And I don't see. I don't see those two coming back.
I don't. I don't see. I don't know if Zimmer's
coming back, and I don't. I'll be surprised if Zimmer

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and al Harris are both on on the coaching staff.
I'll be really surprised if that's the case. All Right,
all right, Jeremy, thanks for the for the call. Got
a lot there. Cochley is the fifty two. I can't
even think of an I mean like Jim Schwantz or
something like that. Maybe he made the Pro Bowl as
a linebacker, a special teams linebacker, but no, Cokeley is

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one of my favorite players of all time. And and
I love the fact that that that you know, Bill
parce sells when he got here he knew a lot
of things like he did. I mean, he was he's
a genius, and he's a football genius. He's an offensive
guy's a defensive guy. He knew everything. He knows how
to coach punt returners and all that. And he had

(20:26):
a mind made up about that win Dexter Cokeley, that
they can't play football, not a linebacker. That that they
they're not they're not good enough, they're not big enough
for sure, and uh, and Zimmer was like, man, why
don't you watch these two? Wean't see I mean, you
might be surprised because they can play. And he loved them.
He loved both those two and so I I, you know,

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applaud him for saying, all right, I'm old school, show
me I'm wrong. And they did. And those two guys
showed him that he was wrong and he admitted that.
So that's that's my two favorite stories about those two guys.
It's just that even even a Hall of Fame coach
like Bill Parcells, he got them to kind of change, uh,
changing his opinion about him. Who would I want to

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take in the first round again? Way early? There's other
shows for that. They're they're dissecting that, But I think
running back guard tackle depends on what you're doing there.
You're the best linemen available, guard or tackle. I could
I could handle either one right now, or or a
pass rusher. I mean, if you if you got one

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of those. There's some guys from the SEC coming out Georgia, Tennessee.
I believe if they if they're if they're like legit
pass rushers that that can you know, that can scream
off the edge a little bit, I'd be fine with that.
So uh But but you know, running back, like I
said yesterday, I think I think you need to you

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need to get one early, especially a special one like that.
And I watched I watched gent Platt. Didn't see a
lot of him, but there was a run against Penn State,
a ten yard run, and I was like, if, like
when he gets drafted by whoever it is, I hope
that's the run that they show when they show the
highlights and stuff like that of him. I don't need

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to see a seventy seven yard run against Colorado State
or something like that, like that's great. Certainly need some
home run hitters, that's that's awesome. But there was a
ten yard run where he probably broke six tackles against
Penn State. That's the kind of running that you have
to do in the playoffs against you know, in December,
when you're going to Philly, you're going to Washington. You

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got to get runs like that, and so that I
thought that was really impressive. Penn State might be a
NFL type of defense for sure. All Right, Ali and
Florida's been holding a little bit of Ali. What's up Man?
Good morning, miss ave Man, Good morning.

Speaker 11 (22:45):
How about you, sir?

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Great? Great, thank you.

Speaker 11 (22:48):
First, I want to start the safe pray for the
people in Los Angeles. They have a really bad fire.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (22:57):
So having said that, I've got an idea. Uh, then
I'm gonna have a question about a couple of the
players that I love. First, I think everybody loves Darren Woodson.
He's going for.

Speaker 6 (23:14):
Hall of Fame.

Speaker 11 (23:16):
If you get a chance to talk to him to
see if he has a favorite animal, I'll provide the
picture and storyliners they can sign the card for when
he goes to Hall of Fame. Either he goes or not,
at least you have something nice positive for him on
the side.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
His favorite animal.

Speaker 11 (23:39):
Yeah, any favorite animal, I'll provide. Send you a picture.
You give it to him on behalf of all the storyliners.
You know, okay, so then this is okay about photographing
them back ball. They have a new name for him,
Alabama versus Michigan, and it is a guard there.

Speaker 6 (24:04):
My god, I love to have him. His name is.

Speaker 11 (24:10):
Tyler Booker, number fifty two.

Speaker 6 (24:13):
He malls. I'll tell you he's just.

Speaker 11 (24:16):
Like one of those best guard protect the dacks, right
next to the center. I think it would be a
great I don't know. He's projected to be number one
the draft picks by late. I was thinking maybe under
if the gen Z is not available on the twelve,

(24:37):
they trade down couple picks and then pick him up
for a second round pick. As far as like a VP.
From twelve we go to fifteen, we pick up a
second round and my favorite player is camp Scatterblue. That kid,

(24:58):
he's a great runner. I know he's gonna be a
third third round, but everybody jumped ahead of us. I
know he's gonna go probably late second that. I'm gonna
get your opinion on both of them, if.

Speaker 6 (25:12):
You know them.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
I don't know. I don't know Booker, I don't I'm
not familiar with him. I've seen scattaboy just a few times. Obviously,
that last game, I'm not sure what kind of pro
he's going to be. You know, he's he's dynamic, you
know at Arizona State, and he took that game over.
He could you know almost what two hundred and ninety

(25:35):
nine yards is that? Is that what it was? Of
of passing? He passed for forty five in a touchdown,
and he had like one hundred and receiving and and
and then of course like one forty running. He was
gassed after that game, but but I mean why not.
I mean, he's playing that's the best defense he's faced
all year, and and he carried that team on his back.
So he's he's impressive. You know, he'll go to a

(26:00):
team that that they'll figure out the role for him,
and that's that's that's what it is. I mean, you
see the scatback type guys and then there's guys like him.
He'll have to play some special teams, but I think he'll,
you know, I think he'll be a good, a good,
solid player. I don't see him being like a featured back,
but I see him being somebody that they can kind

(26:20):
of have a role because he can do a lot
of things, and you can laugh at this if you want.
I just don't know if you're not getting that type
of production from Hunter Lipkey. I mean, it's easy to
compare a college guy two to a pro guy and go, well,
this guy does a lot more. But but on the
next level, would he? I don't. I don't really know that,

(26:43):
so I I I think you kind of have a
version of of of Cam Skataboo with with Hunter Lipkey,
so without the draft pick of having to to you know,
send it out there. All right, I'll ask Darren what's
in that that question? What his favorite animal? He'll probably
young thing. I just I just sent him a message.
You probably thinks that's like spam. What's your favorite animal? Anyway?

(27:08):
All right, let's go to Ronnie in New Jersey. Hey, Nick,
what's up man?

Speaker 15 (27:13):
Nick?

Speaker 14 (27:14):
Real real quick? If I could piggyback from one of
the callers from yesterday, he when he called you, he
told you that that he listens to all the shows
and most of us do, and and he says he
appreciates your show and every other show, And Nick, I
agree on I listened to as many shows as I

(27:35):
can because some of them are very fun very very funny,
informative but funny at the same time. And I don't know,
I just I'm you know, I'm a fan. So I
love the shows. I love the interaction between the guys.
I love seeing you sometimes when you go to one
of the shows we're hanging with the boys or anything

(27:57):
like that, because you know, it's like we see a
us inside of you sometimes, you know, so, so that's
kind of cool. Yeah, and yeah, I just wanted to
piggybag up for that and say you that that I
love all you know, all the shows, and that He's
one hundred percent right. You guys are why we watch
and why we listen, and especially guys like you, because

(28:17):
you're you're you seem to be, and you are, from
what we see, a straight shooter. And that's one of
the things we appreciate from you and the other guys.

Speaker 6 (28:25):
And I love Chris.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
You should watch me at Fortnite, Ronnie. I appreciate that.
I'm gonna flip it back to you like I like
I do. On a lot of times, you guys ask
questions and I said, well, what do you think?

Speaker 2 (28:40):
You know?

Speaker 1 (28:40):
You say that we're the reason why you guys are
able to be informed or whatever. Well, you guys are
the reason we're able to have a platform. You know,
if we didn't have listeners, they wouldn't keep doing the podcasts,
We wouldn't keep doing it like we do so and
we know that that's the same with anything. You don't
have customers, you don't open the store.

Speaker 14 (29:00):
And so, honestly is what brings us to you, you
know what I'm saying. And I also appreciate Jerry Jones
for letting you guys do what you guys do because
I used to watch some of the shows on TV,
you know, some of the broadcast channels ESPN, but they're
so biased and they're so you know whatever. I stop
watching all that stuff a long time ago, just because

(29:22):
I'd rather get it from you guys, because you're you know,
we're better to get it from straight from the source,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, that's why.

Speaker 14 (29:31):
We appreciate you guys, because you guys are honest about
it too. So can I ask you real quick before.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
You got to hang up?

Speaker 1 (29:40):
No, no, no, you set that up and you said you're
a straight shooter and you're honest. Now you're gonna ask
a question, and you're like, better be honest about it.

Speaker 14 (29:48):
So why why you just said a little while ago
somebody asked about Al Harris and Mike. I hope that
if if the coach does come back the head coach,
I hope he's tied up with back to his contract
like a three year like if they give him an extension,
just give him a three year extension. And and because honestly,

(30:08):
I don't see anything that McCarty has done that's made
this team great. Discipline has been an issue for a
long time Under McCarthy. Discipline has been an issue. Uh,
he's not great as a play caller or manager, So
I hope he's doing great at something else because that's

(30:28):
that doesn't seem to be his forte. And if you
do bring back Mike Mike McCarthy, you can't have two
nice guys, you know what I'm saying. Like I know
that supposedly Mike are a defense defensive coach, He's not
as vocal or as tough as he was, So maybe
an Al Harris would be great candidate to be a

(30:51):
defensive coordinator if Mike does decide to leave or retired
or whatever he wants to do. Uh, because you need
you know what I'm saying, You need a yang to
the end. You can't have two sweet guys being the coaches.
And he seems he's one of the few coaches that
I've seen, uh you know, the assistant coaches that gets

(31:14):
something out of their players. All his quarnerbacks seem to
make plays and get into a groove, you know. Uh,
he develops his players. That's what I'm trying to say.
I don't see that much development from from the other coaches, not,
you know, not from what we've seen. And if we're
gonna draft something, God, Jerry Jones is always want said

(31:38):
and I don't see why we don't draft that, but
let's get big guys in the middle, like in the
defensive line. He knows he always says that the one
thing he likes to protect the quarterbacks from is that
pressure coming down the middle. So why don't you draft
guys down the middle on the defensive line that put
that pressure on the quarterbacks, Like you know what I'm saying,

(32:02):
Like he said one thing, but he does the complete opposite.
And if you're gonna draft a defensive lignment, this is
the perfect time.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
To draft them.

Speaker 14 (32:08):
Make sure you get a big nose tackle or big
time somebody that could stop the rune.

Speaker 6 (32:14):
Okay, thanks for taking.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Running, appreciate it all right, you know, I mean, just
you got nineteen different guys that you want to draft
in the first round. I mean, like you know, they
they did, they drafted Mozzie Smith, big strong, defensive tackle,
and that hasn't you know, that hasn't He hasn't had
the impact that you that you wanted to see out

(32:37):
of him from a first round pick. And so, uh,
you know when they've when they've picked in the middle
of the first round, you know they've they've got different guys.
You know, they've gotten the Layton vander Esher linebacker, They've
gotten a CD Lamb. I'm looking at that seventeen eighteen range.
But you know, if you get a you know, you

(32:59):
you take a defensive tackle at this spot. You know,
the pick that comes to mind from from this area
of a defensive tackle. I want to say videveya maybe
like eleven ten, eleven something like that with the Bucks
and he changes their defense. So I mean, then again,
like don Tari Poe from Kansas City who ended up
here for like a few hours. You know, I don't

(33:21):
think he had that same impact. Uh there he might have.
He might have early on. But yeah, I mean if
you if you get you know, a difference maker like that,
like that would be interesting. But the second round, you
see those guys in the second round and then they
you know, there's there's a reason why they're in the
second round. So uh, big strong defensive tackles that aren't
going in the top ten, top fifteen, then there's a

(33:44):
reason why. And and sometimes you know, some some they
have to prove themselves. They have to say, you know,
they have to show that that you know, are they
were they lazy? They get they just two out of shape?
Can they not play a full game? Are they not
quick off the ball here? You know, do they not?
Are they not as strong as they need to be?
All those kind of things. So just like with any position,

(34:05):
but I yeah, I think that it's one that they
could be addressed because it's the same with the offensive line.
This is what Lester and from Minnesota always says, is
that if you can get that offense and defensive line together,
those are the positions that help all of them better.
You know, all of the guys Michael will rush better,
with the defensive tackles there, Dak and the running backs

(34:26):
will do better with that offensive line better as well.
And I say that, and Lester's actually on the line.
But we're gonna go. Let's take a quick break, real
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Speaker 2 (36:13):
To Cowboys storyline.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
All right back here on Cowboys storyline. You see the
number here eight A eight eight five five two to
nine seven. It's the thing about the off season. We're
having a different start. We go at nine thirty nine
thirty Central time, be able to go a full hour,
maybe a little bit longer than that. So that's that's good.
And try to give you guys as much time as
you can. I know, going from five shows to one,

(36:42):
it's going to be a big change for all of
us and some of the callers as well, So we
try to get a little extra time at least on
this show. Let's go to Lonnie in Kansas.

Speaker 6 (36:51):
Lonnie, Hey, what's going on?

Speaker 1 (36:54):
How are you doing?

Speaker 6 (36:56):
I'm doing well, just freezing my butt off with the
snow one stuff we had.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
All right, well, first time caller, right, yeah, you go,
all right, let's hear it. What do you got, hey?

Speaker 6 (37:12):
I just two things. One, on the draft, pick the
best guy that's gonna make the biggest impact that you
can get period that will help your team. That's that's
what you got to do. You're not picking number one,
you're picking what twelve? So pick the best guy that's
gonna help you, and you got lots of choices, I think,

(37:34):
so no big deal there. Just pick the best guy
that can come in and play almost right away. That's
what you need.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
And that's that's probably gonna be a guard, that's gonna
be like a guard or a tackle because those are
the guys.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
That'll go with that.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
And I'm good with that too, because the last time
you did that was Zach Nortin.

Speaker 6 (37:53):
Yep. And I've said it all year, watched them play
no matter what. Yeah, they're injuries, all that created a
lot to have it and uh but uh, you gotta
have you gotta have a line. You gotta have a
line on both sides of the ball. That's all there
is to it. If you can run the ball, you
got to run the ball. You got to stop the run, period.

(38:15):
And uh So but secondly on McCarthy, I'm okay, whatever
they do, is there somebody better available? Maybe, but you know,
it is what it is. And uh but I think
they need to look at some play calling issues. That's
been my issue with McCarthy, just play calling. I think

(38:38):
you ought to let somebody else do it. And uh
because the players play for him, they're going to play
for him. Yeah, Green Bay in it. They played for him.
And if you can get your players to play for you,
and you've got good players and good coaches, you got
to have good coaches below Mike. That's all I mean,
that's anything. You know. When I was the sheriff of

(38:59):
our cow, I mean, I wanted guys smarter than me
below me because they're the guys that are going to
get things done.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Uh whoa, whoa, whoa, You're you're the sheriff.

Speaker 6 (39:10):
I was, yeah, okay, I'm retired, and uh, you know,
you've got to have smart people below you that can
do their that are going to go out and do
their job and do their job for you and what's
best for the team. And that's what you gotta have
to And that's all I got. That's what I think
they need to do. And I'm okay with McCarthy, just uh,

(39:33):
maybe get an offensive coordinator and some play calling besides Mike.
Sometimes I think his play calling it's not the greatest
at times, there's times they should I think they should
run the ball when you need a yard, get your yard.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah, I agree, but that that comes down to that
offensive line that they just don't trust that they don't
trust right and then and then that was having.

Speaker 6 (40:00):
A problem too. Yeah, that's been the problem too. You know,
you got to have an offensive line to get those
yards and and want to get those yards. And they
got better and uh, but they just need some help.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Yeah all right, well.

Speaker 6 (40:18):
But hey, this is awesome. I'm glad I found the show.
I just kind of retired and was just setting on
that one day and Senior show and started listening to
it about oh, six or seven weeks ago, and I
n every morning.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Awesome. Well, we're good, glad to have you, Sheriff Lennie.
I'm gonna call you that from from now on. I
like it.

Speaker 6 (40:39):
That'll work, all right, that'll work. I appreciate you, guys,
and uh, we hope for we hope for twenty twenty
five now because.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Yes, in the book, all you can do about it.
All right, Thank you, Lannie, Thanks for the call.

Speaker 6 (40:54):
Oh you back, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Sheriff Lonnie. You know, I have feeling he was one
of those one of those good sheriffs you know where
you're like now, now you can get after you if
you have to, because you could you can tell right
off the bat. You had some energy, you know, you
have to, you have to get serious. But I think
it's one of those Hey, let's just let's let's do
this the right way. You know what I mean. You're
gonna be under rest, you know, just but hey, you know,

(41:18):
if you keep your mouth shut, it'll it'll work out
for you.

Speaker 12 (41:21):
You know that.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
That kind of guy.

Speaker 12 (41:22):
I think.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
All right, Sheriff, Lonnie and Kansas love it. Call back,
please call back at some point? All right, lines are
open right now? Is that right here? Eight eight eight
eight five five two two nine seven. I thought we
had Chris, you do have a guy. Oh I'm not
seeing it on the list. Oh, Leicester, See that's your fault, Chris,

(41:43):
you talk too much. I'm just kidding, Lester. What's up man?
Offensive defensive line.

Speaker 10 (41:47):
At the same time, Hey, Nick, good morning man. I
just want to make a comment on what you guys
were talking about yesterday. But as far as play getting
some playmakers. My two favorite Cowboys were Roger Staubach and
Michael Irvin. Mike or Irvin, they both were playmakers. So

(42:11):
I think if when we draft, if we were the
draft like like the sheriff was saying, smart players, but
smart players that are playmakers. I mean, that'll just make
your team.

Speaker 6 (42:23):
That much better.

Speaker 10 (42:26):
As far as what Irene was, Santa, who would you
like to send the Super Bowl? Of course the Cowboys,
but they're not there. So I'm gonna say the Chargers
and Minnesota. I live here some Minnesota or.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Whatever you want to say. Now, do you like root
against them? Are you kind of like, hey, that's cool?
You know, like then you kind of somewhat root for
them just because you probably know a lot of Vikings fans.

Speaker 11 (42:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (42:55):
I mean.

Speaker 10 (42:58):
When I meet by fans because I always have my
Cowboy gear on, you know, they asked me if I'm
from Texas, I say no, no, no, I grew up
in Chicago. But anyway, I let them know that I
don't have anything against you guys as long as you're
not playing against the Cowboys. But I'm a true and
true Cowboy fan and that's it.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (43:17):
I don't really rude or follow anyone else. But like
you said, I live here, so I know a little bit,
you know, So I say, Okay, it's fine. I hope
you guys win as long as you're not playing the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
I got it all right. You got any other.

Speaker 10 (43:30):
Points, yeah, well, you know, until we get offensive and
the defensive line at the same time. Yep, Well we
have Cowboys fans, all right, No Cowboys, there we go.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
You know, I don't know what I think about Ezekiel Elliott.
If the Chargers, I don't see them going to the
super Bowl. So I don't really worry about that. But
and I wouldn't want to that to happen. They're on
that list with the Eagles to me. But but you
know that that would be weird for Zeke to, you know,

(44:10):
to have the season that he's had. Uh, you know,
didn't didn't exactly do everything the right way, got left
behind for a game. Uh, there's a lot of times,
you know where you're just wondering, what what are we
doing here? I mean, it was the definition of a
progress stopper, and you know, it wasn't wasn't that great

(44:31):
when he had the ball and all that, then to
be cut, to ask for a release, to get cut
and then sign up with another team. You know, I
don't think the Chargers will be going to the super Bowl,
but if it was at a team that had a
legitimate shot, I mean, I don't know what Cowboy fans
would think about that. You know, happy for him that
that you know, that he got a shot, you know,

(44:52):
because that's the way they were for DeMarcus Ware and
all that. But DeMarcus wasn't here getting getting suspended and
getting fine for for you know, condruct detrimental to the
team type stuff, you know, and then then get cut
in the middle of the season or at the end
of the season and then go sign another team. Either way,
I don't think he'll have I don't even know if
he'll play in the game. He's on the practice squad.

(45:12):
I guess With the Chargers, we'll see. As for who
you want to see, I mean again, I don't ever
have a problem with the Chiefs. I think Patrick Mahomes
is amazing. I love watching him play. And you know
they're they're as far as the NFC goes, it doesn't matter,
you know. We'll see what the Lions can do. I mean,
I don't I don't dislike Dan Campbell, but I'll say this,

(45:35):
you know that coaching style can can get you beat
if you're if you're that aggressive all the time, uh,
it can. It can backfire on you. So we'll see
how it is. But they're fun to watch. I mean,
they're they're they're tough, and they're gritty, you know, fast,
I mean, they're they're they're all the things that you want.
They remind me a lot of those nineties Cowboys teams
early on, you know, just because they rite they were physical,

(45:55):
they ran the ball, they had dynamic receivers, they were
super fast, and you know the way Jim Coach was like, Hey,
I believe in my team, I'm gonna go for it.
And so that's kind of the way Dan Campbell is.
All right, let's go to Gary in New Mexico.

Speaker 20 (46:08):
Hey, Cap, you new here?

Speaker 6 (46:09):
How's it going good?

Speaker 1 (46:10):
How are you?

Speaker 20 (46:11):
I'm good man. Got a couple of quick trivia questions
for you, all right. Number one, how many Super Bowls
have I won in the last twenty eight years?

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Have you won? I don't know.

Speaker 6 (46:21):
I don't know what the number is.

Speaker 20 (46:22):
Jerry Jones, I don't know how good you are at Madden?

Speaker 1 (46:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 20 (46:25):
Yeah, I've won the same number as Jerry. None. Okay, now, real,
real fun trivia question. No, it's playoff time, so we
can do some Cowboys playoff trivia.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Right, That's all we got.

Speaker 20 (46:35):
Okay, So the Cowboys have had two players that have
each intercepted three passes in a playoff game, and that's
tied for second best in NFL history. Can you name
those two.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Players three picks in a game?

Speaker 20 (46:47):
Yes, their a playoff game.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
In a playoff game, Charlie Waters.

Speaker 20 (46:54):
Yes, that's one.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Man. Oh Man. Can you give me a is it
before or after? Before or after?

Speaker 20 (47:02):
It went on to a long career as an assistant
coach in the NFL, A.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Long before or after? Charlie Waters?

Speaker 20 (47:10):
Uh, same time and then after? Okay had a nickname
for the secondary back during the early to mid eighties.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Oh, I know this, I know, and I know the game.
I know the game. It's thenis Thurman And it was
against the Packers in the nineteen eighty two divisional game
and one of them was for a touchdown. I know this.
Dennis Therman, Charlie Waters.

Speaker 6 (47:30):
Thurman thieves.

Speaker 20 (47:31):
Dennis Thurman won them up. That dude. He got burned
a lot, but what he could lay the wood? Yeah,
he could make plays. I love Dennis. I would have
loved to have seen Dennis Thurman at some point come
back and coach with the Cowboys, but it never worked out.
Yeah me too, my favorite players. Yeah, well, I don't
really know what to talk about with this year's team
because we don't know until we know who the coach is.

(47:52):
That's true, and I'm okay, you know, I'm getting out.
I don't know what they know. I'm just gonna have
to trust them, even though they've given me no reasons.
But whoever the coach is, whether it's McCarthy or somebody else,
it's about the players. Really. You got to give them
the tools. You know, Tom Landry did not become a
bad coach at the end of his career. He had

(48:13):
Steve Palus, his quarterback. Jimmie Johnson didn't become a bad
coach when he went to Miami. He just didn't have Michael,
Emmett and Troy in their prime. So you got and
just let me say this and I'll get off the phone.
It's easy to criticize play calling, but we don't know
what the play calls are. We just don't. That's so

(48:33):
wide open because you know, the quarterback can change the play.
The quarterback may not execute the play the way the
play is designed. So I'm just I'm real leery about
just constantly criticizing play calling because we don't know nearly
as much as we think we do. But I'm optimistic
that we'll get some better talent and get this thing
turned around. But thank you for taking my call.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah, thank you, Gary. And you know what, you're right
about that for when it comes to play calling about
we don't know exactly what has happened there in certain
certain situations. You know, they some quarterbacks do check out
of plays, check out of runs, what they see and
all that. That's that's what comes down to, you know,
how how they process things, how they how they study,

(49:16):
you know, when they see a certain look, what are
they supposed to check it to? Things like that. I
look at stuff like into the game, like I mentioned earlier,
into the game, when when it's a minute and thirty
two seconds to go and it's third and four and
you've got a four point lead around midfield, do you
run this ball and say it probably not gonna get it,

(49:39):
but we'll see if we can run it, and we'll we'll,
you know, get it down to forty seconds or so
and then punt or are you gonna throw it? And
and that's not that you know that that's more game
management than it is play calling a little bit. But
you and those are things you don't check out of.
And sometimes you can say, you know, I don't know
if Trey Lance checked out of plays down there by

(50:01):
the goal line, but you can certainly say we're running
the football down here, We're gonna run it and or
we're gonna do things that that could get him sort
of on the move. I think you've seen enough though
to kind of know what type of play caller that
he is. And it's not as as dynamic. You know,
I think Brandon Cooks has not been utilized the right way,

(50:21):
and and I know I'm not the only one that
thinks that way. He's not a guy that could go
He's not a jump ball guy. Okay, he's not going
to the NBA. He's not. That's not his game. It's
not it's not vertical in that regard. It's vertical down
the field, it's across the field. He's a goal line
type type route runner, but not necessarily a jump ball.

(50:45):
But we have seen plays around the goal line where
he can move in and out and and you know,
kind of use the width of the field a little bit. Again.
You know, they had three quarterbacks this year and and
he missed a lot of a lot of time as well,
So you know those are those are things. Last year
you kind of saw that rapport with him and Dak,

(51:06):
and then this year didn't didn't happen again. You're you're
right about about play calling, But I do think we've
seen enough to know that there's there's too many times
where it just it's not the way, not the way
I would call a game. But then again, I've never
called one, so what do I know? All right, let's
go to Robbie Coco Beach, Florida. I knew he would
get in. Robbie, what's up?

Speaker 15 (51:26):
You knew I would get in, but Bean tried to
cut me off.

Speaker 6 (51:28):
He hung up the phone on me.

Speaker 19 (51:30):
I ain't been giving him enough love.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
I guess hung up on Robbie.

Speaker 15 (51:35):
I know I might even get defensive.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
It happens. Get over it. Hey, Hey, yop, they're in
Cocoa Beach, Florida. They got bridges. Yeah, get over it,
all right, Robbie was kidding. What's going on?

Speaker 6 (51:49):
Man?

Speaker 20 (51:50):
Hey?

Speaker 15 (51:50):
I want to answer Irene's question. I think I'd like
to see the Lions win the Super Bowl, only because
it kind of like Dan Campbellen.

Speaker 10 (51:57):
He was with us in three years.

Speaker 15 (51:59):
I mean it was still it was still funny about
last year though.

Speaker 6 (52:02):
Yeah, I mean, like the playoff lost.

Speaker 15 (52:03):
That Calwoods was great, but you know, that's a little
bit of pitching pie and the team I wanted to
always loses the Eagles because we all hate the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
I think I think if the Packers went into Philly
ran the football right down their throat, one would be
thirty points. I think number one. It would be fine
to see Philly lose number two. It would make them
feel a little bit better after what green Bay did
as the seventh seed going to the two.

Speaker 14 (52:35):
So you know, yeah, it would be a little bit
of a humble pie a little bit.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
But but uh, I don't you know what.

Speaker 15 (52:41):
I think though, I don't think they could handle it
as well as we did.

Speaker 14 (52:44):
I mean, I know, I know we.

Speaker 15 (52:46):
Didn't have the year we wanted, and you know, I'm
mister positive, but to have that horrible outcome at the
last game, the playoff game, and then come back and
McCarthy still have the locker room on his side throughout
the whole season ups and downs, and I don't know,
I think McCarty did great to keep the locker room.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
I don't know Robbie. I mean, I don't know how
they handled it. I mean, they they lost that game.
It was the first loss at home in like sixteen games,
and then they didn't and then they didn't win at
home for like nine months, and then and every one
of them.

Speaker 15 (53:19):
How maybe we have heard, Nick, I'm not being just
and that's the only reason. But we had so many
people heard the whole season. I'm impressed with McCarty kept
part that's time and that's what you just said.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
How they handled that loss. And I don't know if
they handled it well, because I know that it was
they It affected them, you know because a lot of
the games that they were losing, the Saints, the Lions,
sat the Ravens, all those games were blowouts in the
first half. Now the Ravens they figured out how to

(53:52):
come back and they got you know, Rare on sidekick
to make it closer. All those games were blowout So
I don't know if they did handle it so well.
After that loss. I think it proved that man here
at this stadium, we can get our ass kicked, and
they did.

Speaker 19 (54:06):
I agree with that.

Speaker 15 (54:07):
So, but agreeing on the point of that that McCarthy
had that team wanting to play.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Yes, yeah, they didn't quit. They certainly they never quit.

Speaker 15 (54:16):
And that is a beautiful thing. Just look at Philly
last year, the year before, they were doing so good,
so good, so good, and then all of a sudden,
one game loss and it exploded. Receivers were yelling at quarterbacks,
quarterbacks were walking away from receivers and they just imploded.

Speaker 10 (54:32):
Yeah, all right, and then we came in.

Speaker 15 (54:34):
And got the number two spot. I think that's coaching, man,
that's why you little dog McCarthy. I think consistency, consistency, consistency,
and that's all I got to say. Nick, I have
a great day, my friend.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
You to we'll talk to a couple, all right, Rob,
thanks for the call. All right, let's go to Washington
to Steve Is in Washington. Hey, what's up, man Happy.

Speaker 19 (54:59):
I'm the one I told you last year that we
got five points to the Star and five Super Bowls
and we can't win another one until we had another
point to that Star. So, uh, I know Jerry Jones
is always listening to the show, So I got some
advice for him.

Speaker 10 (55:20):
Uh.

Speaker 19 (55:21):
I know he likes to keep the Cowboys in the headline,
and I figured the best free agent move he could
make next year to keep the Cowboys in the headline
would be too uh. Sign in free agency Stefon Diggs.
Reunite the two brothers together on the same team, I

(55:44):
think would be fun. H. I think that would solve
our receiver room. H. Also, I think the first three
picks in the draft should be running back, a big
left tackle moved bighting over to the right side, and

(56:06):
then a defensive tackle in whatever order in the cruse
three rounds. I think that uh. I think McCarthy should stay.
That it maybe a.

Speaker 6 (56:20):
New, young, innovative.

Speaker 19 (56:22):
Offensive coordinator to call the play and go in. And
I'm also thinking I haven't heard much about possible. I'm
thinking that maybe he didn't have the best year for
the team, didn't have the best year in special team
excluding Stield Gold team. But I don't I think it

(56:45):
was kind of missed times.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
I don't know. I don't know about that one. I mean,
you had you had a kick returner, the only kick
returner I mean in the league that had a punt
and a kickoff for a touchdown had another kickoff return.
Not not that he was supposed to score, but he
did one Ye Thomas and you had. You know, you
had a you have a punter and a deep snapper

(57:08):
that might end up at the Pro Bowl as well.
So you had you have four specialists and two of
them are in the Pro Bowl, and two of them
could make it. I mean, I I we we hear
the fake punts of the face you know we're bad
and and but you know, I don't know if the
if the special teams was really that bad. I don't
remember a lot of like big returns against them, So

(57:31):
I don't know. I mean, I I think that he
had a pretty good year for a special teams coach.
I think you got to reel him in a little
bit on these fakes. Don't don't give him as much
leeway I think as he has. But I you know,
got to remember when you have a lot of injuries,
that means it trickles down and your special teams. You know,
now they did lose a game on special teams. They did.
They did over you know, fielded the ball. He shouldn't have.

(57:55):
They lost the game so that you could say they
lost it, but I bet you they won. They won
four or five of their wins where they won because
of special teams. You know, So anyways, all right, what
do you think?

Speaker 19 (58:07):
What do you think about Naggie coming in Kansas City?

Speaker 6 (58:11):
I think that's a chance.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
No, I mean again, it all, it all starts. It's
got to start at the top and then and then
if that happens, then we'll we'll see, you know how
with with these other coaches come in. But I don't
I don't like to get too far on underneath when
you haven't figured out the top part yet.

Speaker 19 (58:30):
So right, how about uh, what do you think about
the digs stuff on Digs? I think that could be
affordable because he's coming off knee injury.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Just just those two guys rehabbing together. Uh, I mean,
I I don't I don't see that happening. I think
I think there's a better chance you have zero digs
on the team then you have two digs on the team.
Leave it at that. So all right, all right, Steve,
thank you appreciate the call. Uh, Okay, let's go, let's go,

(59:09):
let's take a break. Let's take them one more break here.
I know we do have a caller on the line,
but we'll come back and we'll come back for another
ten minutes or so after break.

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Speaker 3 (59:49):
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(01:00:10):
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Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
To Cowboys story Huh. All right, welcome back to the
last segment here of Cowboys Storyline. Get to go a
little bit longer. Now on these Wednesdays, we'll go for
another go fifteen minutes or so. I got to give
Chris enough time. Get ready with they have a Cowboys
break at eleven, so we'll get a couple more callers.

(01:00:47):
We'll start us off here this segment with Zach in Atlanta.

Speaker 7 (01:00:52):
Hey, what's up, Nick? It's pretty cold over there?

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Huh it is? It is?

Speaker 6 (01:00:56):
Are you?

Speaker 10 (01:00:56):
How's your cast do?

Speaker 7 (01:00:57):
And I know sometimes you know, in the cold weather changes,
the injuries can pop up again.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Yep, yep. When I start running, it hurts, So I
don't so i'd have like a I have like a
three day forty time or something like that.

Speaker 7 (01:01:13):
So yeah, man, God bless you. We're all getting through it.

Speaker 9 (01:01:18):
We're all getting through it.

Speaker 7 (01:01:20):
Well. Hey man, I how many calls do.

Speaker 6 (01:01:22):
We get in yesterday?

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Fifteen? Fifteen calls?

Speaker 6 (01:01:26):
And I'll say this, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
I feel bad sometimes for Chris's kids, because I bet
you when he gets on him, I mean he keeps
him in line. Because he got on the callers yesterday
before they said keep it quick, and next thing.

Speaker 7 (01:01:38):
You know, oh yeah, there was reprimand I mean pre
reprimand you know, we took three.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Breaks we went less than an hour and we had
fifteen calls. Today we're going an hour and a half
and we're sitting at twelve. That's because we're letting them talk.
And Rob hadn't even called Rob from Vegas.

Speaker 7 (01:01:53):
I has been called you. I know he gets the
red carpet. He got a call in yesterday too. So yeah, yeah,
good y'all, y'all are running a tight ship. Shout out
to Beam, he's a man. Yeah, Hey, just quick note.
We're in the off season looking to what's next.

Speaker 6 (01:02:10):
I've said this before.

Speaker 7 (01:02:11):
But I really think this draft, this the decisions we
make this offseason. I mean, it just has to work.

Speaker 11 (01:02:19):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:02:20):
I think about Tony Romo's career and Dak and they're
always going to be linked because of the proximity and
all that, but just kind of front office decision making
him team building. I feel like they're kind of following
the same trajectory. You know, we finally got Romo Levine
in a running game in twenty fourteen, and he was

(01:02:43):
too old at that time, he was thirty four, and
you know, he was injured the next two seasons to
really enjoy, you know, full offense. At his disposal, and
you know, Dak is what thirty one now, and I'm like,
all right, he's had some injury all that, and you
know the next part of his career has to be uh,

(01:03:05):
you know, to support him the best we can. It's
got to have this line workout. Shout out to Leicster me.
I feel like we're this is becoming a Lester train,
you know, just following his uh call for a good
line and then a good running game because uh, that's
that's what's going to make the ship float. And so

(01:03:27):
well that's all I got, man. I just really really
really want the best for Dak and this team, and
I think he comes with a good line and a
good running game for him.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
I agree, And and you know, thank you, thanks for
the call back. And I mean, no offense, I mean,
let Lester knows this. I mean he said, I mean,
you guys are all all kind of saying this about offense,
defensive line. But but this is no secret. Okay, this
is this is no secret sauce for playing football. Any
coach in any level where you coach on Sundays, Saturdays

(01:03:59):
for nights, or you're in the Wednesday Thursday seventh grade
a JV team you're telling your your team, hey, we
can if we run the ball and we stop the run,
we're gonna win. Well, how do you run the ball
and stop the run. That means you have a good
offensive line and you have a good defensive line. And
if it happens in the same game, then it happens
at the same time. So that's that's how you win games.
Run the it's physical, being big, strong, physical, there's there's

(01:04:22):
no secret to that. That's how you play complimentary football.
You can run the ball, protect the lead, you know,
protect the clock, get the lead. Next thing, you know,
you protect the lead by stopping, you know, the stop
of the run. Now you force them to pass. You
force them to pass, and and you know, you pin
your ears back, you'll get the sacks, you get the turnover,
you run the ball. You know, it's it's it's the

(01:04:43):
it's the cycle. So he's not wrong. But I'm saying
this is this is nothing new for for football. I mean,
this is this is how this is how you win games.
Is definitely how you win games in the playoffs, because
in the playoffs is where you're not gonna see a
lot of throwing the ball around and all that even
in those indoor games. Uh, you'll it's things get get
get tight, and you've got to be able to run it.

(01:05:06):
You've got to be able to stop it. All right,
let's go to Joe and El Paso.

Speaker 6 (01:05:12):
Hey, Nick, how are you good?

Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
Good?

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
First time? Yeah, out of the way, all right, Joe. Uh.
Favorite player of all time.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
Toy ak Man, definitely him, toy ak Man. Michael Irvin.
I remember when the Cowboys didn't make the playoffs once.
One time, they were playing the last game of the season.
They were I was watching it on TV, you know,
they were there were I think that year there was
only sixteen games in the regular season. They might have

(01:05:47):
gone nine and seven, and the last game was against
Philadelphia and they missed the playoffs. And I saw Michael
Irvin crying on the sideline because they didn't make the playoffs.
And I guess that's what he missed about this about
the old Cowboys and the new Cowboys. Yeah, I mean
they took pride in losing. They took pride in winning
when they when they lost, they hurt. I like Michael

(01:06:09):
Parsons can't stand the podcast, you know what I mean,
one of my favorite players. But I mean he should
focus more on watching film, you know what I mean,
weight room, then then then doing podcasts. That's my personal opinion.
But the main reason that I'm calling is I'm hearing
a lot of I want to get your thoughts on

(01:06:31):
whether they're going to bring Mike McCarthy back.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
The way I feel about no, I'll let you finish,
go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
The way I feel about Mike McCarthy is the way
I felt about Jason Garrett. You know, if you look
up Jason Garrett's stats, he won three divisional titles. He
has the second most wins as a coach in team history.
But he never made a substantial run in the playoffs
after the after the fur year contract was up. The
only reason why they brought him back was because he drafted.

(01:07:02):
He drafted Jeeke and Dak and they made the they
made they made that playoff run. Other than that he would,
they wouldn't have extended. In my opinion, and I feel
the scene for McCarthy, it's going to be the same reoccurring,
reoccurring story that you're going to bring them back for
two three years and he's gonna get regular season games,
but he's not gonna do anything substantial in the playoffs.

Speaker 19 (01:07:21):
What are your dogs?

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
You know, I I'm I'm one of those that I don't.
I don't think that there's necessarily a trend for that
with the playoffs. I mean I think that they've they
weren't good enough, you know. I mean, there's there's gonna
be teams. There's there's what fourteen teams that make the playoffs.
I mean, twelve of them aren't good enough to make
it to the super Bowl. They are good enough talent

(01:07:46):
wise to to be that team, but when it's over,
they won't be good enough. So the Bills, the Ravens,
the Chiefs. There's three good teams in the AFC. One
of them is not making it to the championship game.
That's just that's how good my math is. I can
tell you that. So my point is that, you know,

(01:08:07):
I think that what you want is you want to
have a team good enough to be in that conversation,
because you got to have it. You got to be
playing the right way. You got to have some luck,
you got to have the ball bounce your way in
the playoffs. You gotta have it working for you in
the playoffs. But you got to get there. You got
to get there, and you got to be a good
enough team to be there. And I think Mike McCarthy

(01:08:29):
has proven over the years that you know, you give
them good players, the injury situation's got to be you know, manageable,
and this year it just wasn't. Just wasn't this year.
But but I think that you know, you do that
for the most part. You know, he can, you can
figure out a way to have a team that competes
and it can get in there. So I think that

(01:08:49):
Jerry knows that, and I think that they'll probably go
that route. But you know, I think Mike has to
agree to it. And you know, Mike doesn't have to,
you know, he can, he can look at it at
other offers if if you know, after after next week,
if he wants to do that. But you know, I
think Jerry's Jerry's trying to make sure that he he

(01:09:10):
keeps them at the price that he wants to keep
him at. That's that's what I believe. All right, let's
go to Robin Vegas. You know, Hey, Rob, Hey, Nick,
what's up?

Speaker 20 (01:09:26):
Nick?

Speaker 8 (01:09:27):
I I this may be the most frustrating show. I'm
sitting in my office screaming at the computer it's it's happening.
It's happening, Nick Jerry. Jerry's doing it. He's brainwashing these
fans by waiting. You ever have a girlfriend, Mick, that

(01:09:50):
you wanted to break up with, You just knew how
to break up with her. She was just and then
your friends would say, but dude, she's hot, and that
you just say, yeah, yeah, she is hot. That's exactly
what's happening with Mike McCarthy. By waiting, other coaches are

(01:10:10):
going to start interviewing. You're hearing people on Espiano wherever
or Mike McCarthy's a good coach. I'm listening to fans.
They're giving this guy credit for players showing up to
their job, making millions of dollars and playing. I hear
Robbie and Coco because no, Robbie, I love you, but no,

(01:10:33):
you don't get credit. That's like me getting credit for
my guys showing up to work. No second of all.
I'm hearing fans say, yeah, we could keep him if
we take away everything he was brought here for. Let's
take away to play calling because he's not good at it.
Let's forget about that. He had five years to get

(01:10:53):
us past this the second round of playoffs never happened.
You said to Dylan that Jerry really never said that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
Yes he did.

Speaker 8 (01:11:00):
He said that by not resigning him to an extension.
We all knew what that meant. It's just happened. This
happens every year when Jerry does this by waiting, everybody
starts to fall back in line, hoping him. Like my
friend Travis likes to say, and now they're looking at

(01:11:21):
Mike McCarty like he's Bill Belichick, and I'm just like what,
I don't forget what you saw. Don't forget what you
saw this year last year when he got blown out,
do not. This isn't just a couple of games. This
is five years at Jason Garrett. That call it said,
he's like Jason Garrett was better. Jason Garrett has two

(01:11:43):
playoff wins we had. Mike mccartty has one with us.
Jason Garrett had a number one seed. Michaeccotty's never had that.
So it's just it's so frustrated because I see it laughing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Let me ask you a question, if if and this
is kind of I didn't answer Joe from El Paso's
stuff about Garrett and McCarthy. But I'll ask you, if
you think Garrett McCarthy has four more years, four more years,
do you think he would have more playoff wins?

Speaker 8 (01:12:19):
I mean, I think he get maybe one more, one.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
More then if that's a question that I think that's
a question. I think Jerry needs to, you know, obviously
figure out as well, because because with Jason Garrett he
was he could have had his own like show like
Michael Myers or Freddy Krueger. Because you thought he was dead,

(01:12:42):
like it's over, he's done, you know, And the next thing,
you know, twelve and four, you're like, well then he
went four and twelve like, Okay, that's bad, or eight
and ay, like that's bad, thirteen and three like every
time you thought he was done, he just popped up.

Speaker 12 (01:12:56):
I know.

Speaker 8 (01:12:56):
But look we talked about this. That's meaningless. Your goal
is not to get to the playoffs. Your goals to
win a super Bowl. Garrett and McCarthy are the same guy.
They're good coaches, they will not take it. You need
somebody to pick up the slack that Jerry will not
provide the players. So if he's not gonna give me

(01:13:19):
top notts free agents, I need a coach to make
up the difference. McCarthy's not that guy. So Jerry now
is gonna wait, he's gonna drag this out. Now, why
is he gonna do this? Because Rabel's gonna go to Patriots.
You're gonna lose him, Ben Johnson may. So Jerry's gonna
be like, well, see, I did my due diligence and

(01:13:40):
this is what I'm left with. And I'm gonna pay
Magic Bike four and a half million dollars for a
three and for another three years because he didn't want
to pay ten to fifteen million. And that's how this
scenario is gonna happen. And it's gonna go down. And
now they'll take they'll maybe take away his play calling
and one again do which is ridiculous. So now you

(01:14:01):
just turn this guy into nothing. He just stands on
the sideline. So but that's that's what I see happening. Unfortunately,
because if they really were going to move on, they
would have DoD what the Raiders did yesterday. Bye bye,
and Toty, I'm sorry, we gave you one year, but
you know what, you're not the guy gone. That's what
That's what owners who are looking to they see this

(01:14:24):
is where. And you know we talk about coaches that, well,
maybe the next coach. I'm gonna go to Knights fan.
They had a coach first, ye had taken them to
the Stanley Cup second year playoffs, but they said, you know,
this ain't the guy. They got rid of him. They
bring in another guy who's not a Dallas Stars coach.
He does very good, but he can't get him to

(01:14:45):
the Stanley Cup. They fire him. They bring another guy
and he wins the Stanley Cup because they knew that
this coach is good. But I don't think he's the guy.
And that's what Jerry does is unwilling to do.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
All right, all right, Rob appreciate the call. I you know,
I don't know what's going on there. Obviously we're not
talking about hockey, but there's a theory there too, about
these guys are building, building, building to get there and
then someone else goes in. And you know what if
they just fired what the Bills head coach, whoever, whoever,
whatever his name is, I don't know his name, McDermott

(01:15:18):
or something, whether they have fired him and another guy
comes in and they win in Super Bowl? Is that
is he the guy that did it, or I mean,
what about the the guy that built it? I mean,
Wade Phillips had some success, but Bill Parcells was building
all that. So there's this part of that too that's
not just about you know, getting there. It's not just
you're you're better in the playoffs. I mean you've got
to have some luck there. Let's go real quick. Chris

(01:15:38):
in San Angelo's our last caller.

Speaker 12 (01:15:40):
Chris, Yes, sir, mister Nick, good to talk to you. Yeah, Hey,
I'm going off. I have just a couple of things
real quick. I was going off of what of Irene thing?
And believe it or not, I'm kind of rooting for
the Bills in my little case is. You know, whenever
people say, oh, this team deserves it, I usually roll

(01:16:02):
my eyes, but I'm different on players. And now, really
that quarterback, I mean he just carries that team. He's
put up like five touchdowns in games running and throwing,
and they still lost. So it's kind of like, you know,
what else can I do? But this didn't build storylines?
So in that same thing, what who tops the list

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of the Cowboys players that you would love to have
seen win a Super Bowl? And I'll leave you with
Jack Martin, Zach Martin, and Dez Bryant.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
Yeah, for me, it's Jason Whitten. Jason Whitten and in Romo.
If Tony Romo had ever won a Super Bowl, they
would people would view him the same way they view
Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees. I believe that wholeheartedly. He'd
be in the Hall of Fame. There's no doubt about it.
And I think that there'd be people that think he
may be one of the best of all time. If
you now, you got to remember, that would meant he

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would have won, you know, the Divisional Game, won the
NFC Championship, all that kind of stuff, because he would
have done Romo type things in those games with the
world watching, and everyone would have lost their mind. He
wasn't He wasn't good enough. So therefore, you know, you
could say ifs and buts about it, all of that.
But if Tony Romo's teams, if he had ever gone
to a Super Bowl and won it, I think people

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would view him as as a Hall of Fame quarterback
and one of the greatest who ever play his story
all of that doing it for the Cowboys. But he didn't.
He didn't get there. But yeah, I would love to
have see was he good enough? I think so? Him
and him and Witting both. I would love to see them.
You know, all those great players that don't get it.
You can, you can say that, but I would say

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those two and then you know Zach Martin, Tyron Smith
A two great line. Any any guy that's a that's
a ring of honor slash Hall of fame type guy
that didn't make it to a Super Bowl. Yeah, I
mean you feel you feel for them? All right, guys,
been great show, fifteen calls a lot of fun. We'll
do it again next Wednesday. Stay warm, stay safe for
Chris Beam. I'm Nick Eatman. Will see you next time

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on Storyline.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
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