Cowboys StoryLine: The Guessing Game

While the Cowboys could be closing in on hiring the next coach, the callers still have a wide variety of options that they’d like to see on the sidelines next season.

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This is Cowboys Storyline with Nick Eatman.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hello friends, It's time to talk about some Dallas Cowboys
football and some coaching search here and all that good stuff.
Cowboys Storyline, Wednesday, January the twenty second. I'm Nick Eatman
and I want to hear from you guys. I'm sure
you have things to say. Eight A A eight five,
five two two nine seven is the number to call.
Since we last met, the Cowboys have had three or

(00:44):
four different coaches that they've met with, including last night
a long coaching visit interview with Brian Schottenheimer, the Cowboys
offensive coordinator. That was the title. I say that in
air quotes because that's what it was. He was not
the play caller, but he's the offensive coordinator and he's

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been the offensive coordinator for a lot of teams, and
he's been quarterbacks coach. And it's been around for a while.
And as it stands right now and again, this show
is you guys watch it at different times. Some people
watching live, some people watch it later in the day.
As you know, it's nine thirty Central time here on Wednesday,

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And I say this now, I think Brian Schottenheimer is
the leader in the clubhouse to be the next head
coach of the Cowboys. I'm not sure that that's going
to happen, but if you had to have a favorite,
I would I would say he's the guy, and him
and Kellen Moore probably the two front runners at the moment.
The difference is is that Schottenheimer could be hired today

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and Kellen Moore may not be for at least a week,
or could be two more weeks after that, depending on
what happens with the Eagles. All Right, seven is the
number to call. I got two people already on the line.
Let's start it off with Robbie Koco Beachlorida.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
What's up, Nick, how's your day going going good?

Speaker 1 (02:09):
How are you, Robbie?

Speaker 4 (02:11):
I'm good, But I wish we'd make a decision already. Well, no,
I mean, I get I get due diligence and yeah,
and interviewing, and I know the Fraser rule or whatever
was called the cameramember Rooney, Yeah, thank you, sorry, but man,
it seems like we're just spinning gears, wasting time to
find it.

Speaker 5 (02:31):
But I know it's better to.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Yeah, hire a good candidate than just hire somebody.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
I agree with you.

Speaker 6 (02:40):
So my question for.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
You today is playing the differences between Schottenheimer and Kellen Moore.

Speaker 7 (02:46):
Can you do that for us?

Speaker 6 (02:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, all right? What uh all right? Thanks Robbie. I mean,
like the snarky answer to that is one of the
coordinators is leading his team on the verge of the
Super Bowl and the other one is didn't call plays
and and you know, had an offense and was supposed
to be you know, kind of managing an offense that
that wasn't very good last year and uh, was not

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prepared all the time. I mean, that's one way to
look at it. Shot Nimber has been around the league
for a long long time as well, and you know
he obviously interviews well, there's no doubt about it. Here
he is getting a chance to interview with the Cowboys
and and there's there's some people that that think that
he's he's the guy that they could be the next

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head coach. And he's interviewed well in the past because
he's gotten other jobs, hadn't stayed long in some of these,
got got a lot going for him with you know,
from a pedigree standpoint, you know, with his dad Marty Schottenheimer,
uh and and and the people like a very likable
person without a doubt. Kellen. You know, we've just seen

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him call plays and you know, then again, I mean
you can you can poke holes and everything, you know,
I mean, how good is he when he's when he's
when he's got sa Kuon Barkley running the ball. He
was running the Chargers offense last year not so great,
and they had some weapons too, and then it didn't
go so so great. We've seen him in Dallas. You know,

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Dak had one of his best years here with Kellen.
So I think, you know, a young, innovative, offensive mind
type guy. But it's more than that, you know, It's
it's more than that. It's also leading a team of men,
grown men, Richmond. You know, how do you inspire them
to go go play and go win games and and

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and can they do that? And that's that's the big question.
So we'll we'll, we'll see. I think the players they
might lean towards Schottenheimer, but I think that, you know,
I think Dak would would be fine with with Kellen
Moore as well. I'll just leave it at that I know,
we got a lot more callers to to to get to.
Just on the surface, that's kind of the differences. I

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think shotten Himer has been around, seeing a lot more,
probably a lot more connections throughout the league. But Kellen's
been here, been doing it for a while now as well,
was on the staff I think what twenty eighteen, I
guess maybe seventeen with the Cowboys quarterbacks coaches. Kind of
worked himself up too, so he's been around. I think
both of them have evolved, and we'll see if they're

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the only two, but those are the two that seem
to be the favorites as we stand right now. Let's
go Zach in Atlanta.

Speaker 8 (05:26):
Nick, how are you, my friend?

Speaker 1 (05:28):
I'm good. How are you?

Speaker 8 (05:30):
I'm all right, man, I missed you. It's the once
a week thing is a new rhythm, but we're all
getting through it.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Not a fan myself, I would like to be on
it all the time, but you know, that's that's where
we are taking a little bit of a break. But
we still you know, you still got still got shows.
You know, at least two shows I think on the
site every every day from Unday through Thursday. So not
bad but not the same that you don't get the
chance to call in as much obviously as you doing
this one.

Speaker 8 (05:59):
Yeah no, well, I mean you and Beam need an
off season.

Speaker 6 (06:02):
Two.

Speaker 8 (06:02):
I guess we're getting the more than being Beams running
point on everything. But shout out for y'all. Y'all are
the best duo.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 9 (06:09):
Well hey.

Speaker 8 (06:10):
Obviously, last night, shottenheim Er interviewed, I've really been wanting
the coaching search to be beyond anybody who's been with
the Cowboys, at least in the past like twelve years, because, yeah,
Jason Garrett, you know Dak coming through Jason Garrett's offense,
Kellen was in the fold and he's stuck around into

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the Mike McCarthy era. And then even when I don't know,
I just feel like Dak has had the same offense
his whole career. Jason Garrett, Kellen Moore and even Mike
McCarthy k kept the same language, you know, some of
those ideas. And obviously, Brian Schottenheimer, he's the leading candidate,

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so you know, Twitter says, and maybe he really is.
You said that at the top of the show. So
two questions. One, can you give us just a vote
of confidence for Brian Schottenheimer. I mean, anything to pull
from because I'm not excited about him or tell him
honestly if they are the hires. So a vote of

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confidence for Schottenheimer. And then do you think the offense
would be different? Because you know, he comes from football family,
he was in Seattle and all that. So what would
the offense look like if Schottenheimer had to range because
he wasn't calling place this year. So that's all I got. Man,
great to hear from you.

Speaker 10 (07:32):
I'll hang up and listen.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Well, thank Zach, thanks for the call. And here's the thing.
I mean, there's not a lot of confidence obviously in
that move. And they're not supposed to be I mean, honestly,
like like you, the fans are not supposed to have that.
I mean, why why would they? Again, I'm not trying
to shoot this thing down. I'm just saying there, you know,

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as a fan, if you're sitting here going, I don't
this doesn't make sense. It's not supposed to make sense,
like like, don't don't feel bad for that because you know,
he the the track record doesn't show places that they've
been here for a long long time and a lot
of success here, So his strength is not something you're
gonna see. It's obviously between in the interview rooms. It's

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it's meeting with it's it's the way you treat people,
the way the way he talks to to the coaches,
you know, the players. You know, he's very very well
respected and well liked within the building. But that that's
not the stuff you're going to see. What your fans
are going to look at and go, what are they done?
Where's the success and and and so that's hard to

(08:39):
quantify right now because you're you're just not You're not
going to see that now, you what you ask for
a vote of confidence? You know, I don't know what
to think about the players liking the coach or voting
for this coach, because you know, high school students don't
get to pick their their their their principal, you know,
or or their teachers. They're going to go a different route.

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They want to go what's comfortable for them. So is
that the case or is it like, no, I think
he will be great for this team. I don't know
like that. That one's hard. I think you just kind
of put that one off to the side of what
the what the players think you know, there's some talk
within the building that Schottenheimer got to have a little

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bit more of a voice as the season went on,
when they started having a little bit more success running
the ball, offensive line, blocking schemes, things like that. At
least that's what we've been told a little bit. So
that him and Mike, I'm not saying didn't see eye
to eye, but didn't. He didn't get an opportunity to

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kind of voice his opinions as much. And so that's
that's kind of where we are. It's a mystery. This
one's just kind of come out of nowhere because you know,
like I said earlier, he was he was the offensive
coordinator in title for an offense that that had, you know,
left a lot on the table, and so you just

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didn't expect that he would be the guy. But then again,
there's things we don't see all the time as far
as a football mind and and and personality and leadership
traits that I think this team and some of the
people here that the decision makers really really covet, really like,
and they think that that he could be, you know,

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a good leader for this team. So I don't know,
I'm not answering your question, probably because I don't have
those answers for you. I'm what I'm telling you is
is the things that the Cowboys like about Brian Schoenheimer
are things that go well beyond just stats that you
don't necessarily see. All right, let's go to the Daveon
in Illinois.

Speaker 6 (10:48):
What was up?

Speaker 5 (10:49):
Nick?

Speaker 7 (10:49):
Was going on on?

Speaker 6 (10:51):
Buddy?

Speaker 1 (10:51):
How are you doing?

Speaker 5 (10:54):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (10:54):
Just got to work, so yeah, you know where I'm at. Tired,
but uh, but they try to stay up to get
on because you know, you got the one time a week,
so I got to try to get in and get
get in when I can get in.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Appreciate it, man, appreciate it. What do you got?

Speaker 6 (11:10):
Well?

Speaker 7 (11:11):
Uh, we had you know, had a space last night
and we're gonna have another one tonight. But I got
a I got a theory that I've been I was
just sitting there thinking about yesterday, about this coaching thing,
and I was it might satisfy a lot of things
that with this team and kind of get your thoughts
on it.

Speaker 6 (11:31):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (11:31):
My theory is.

Speaker 7 (11:34):
We make Denver the coach, shout it out the OC,
bring Jason Windey in. That's a I guess tight ends
coach most likely Keith Lounder as an offensive line coach.
Maybe Phraser come in and be work with cameras uh,

(11:56):
defensive coordinator. Possibly. I was that they probably worked together
before they but they have it Zimber a place phrase
when he went to Minnesota. Yeah, so I thought they did.
That's why I do Attle research and make sure I
was went tripping. But either way, because I know our
harrison is pretty much gone according to Patrick's ceing them,

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so I would think you probably bring Phraser in. But
it satisfies a lot of things. I mean, if you
hire Zimmer, I think you know fans won't go too crazy.
Uh you bring in Jason to be against the hair pair,
which you know, that's what the room is. What they're
trying to do is have them somewhere on the staff
and then Shoty can still be to play callers. Dak

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is comfortable. You know, they add whatever shot they wanted
to do last year they add into the office and
be able to get the same moving. And Uh yeah,
I think that that's there been in my head. I mean,
I'm just trying to get myself off the ledge of
if we go with Shoty, I just I ain't really
try to feeling that at all, but you I will see.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
No, I'm with you there, and uh, thanks for the call, David.
I think we're gonna have a lot of callers today.
We're going to keep this thing rolling. I appreciate you
you calling in. Here's my problem with with that, And
it sounds like you don't even love that theory. You
just like, this is probably the way it's gonna be.
Let's deal with it, which is what cowboy fans have

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had to to kind of you know that that's a
mindset they've had to adopt for a while. But what
I don't love about that is this team was seven
and ten last year. It's below the mark of where
where they they should be. They need to be. They
need to be in the playoffs. That's that's, that's the goal.

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That's you know, you've got a quarterback that's that's highest
paid in the league. You've got highest paid we're one
of the highest paid receivers. You're you know, you got it.
Michael Parsons is probably trying to be the highest paid
defensive player that that maybe that's gonna happen next year.
You've got playmakers, you've got young talent, you had some
Pro bowlers. Still, you've got guys on this team, You've
got talent. You should be in the in the in

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the in the playoffs. So all that being said, why
are you keeping everybody from last year's team? You know, like,
like your offensive your head coach would be as somebody
that that got promoted. Your defensive coordinator stays the same.
I mean, obviously the only coordinator that's going to be
different is your special teams coordinator, and he's got you know,

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they had the most success than anybody. So at some point,
my point, at some point, something something has to change
to get over the hump for next year. Just bringing
back some of the same faces from last year and
just tweaking a couple of things, it's probably not good enough.
So I like, I like some change. I'm fine with
one of the sides of the ball. If you kept Zimmer,

(14:49):
then I need a new head coach, a new offensive coordinator.
If I have if I have Shottenneimer here, that I
need to do defensive coordinator. I need something something different.
And I've said it several times. I still think somebody
with some three four experience that that that can, you know,
switch some things up A little bit. I'd like to
see Micah maybe a little bit differently. I mean, what

(15:11):
what what he has is working, but but I think
that you have an opportunity to maybe prolong his career
even more. That being said, they need to sign him,
of course, to a long term deal. All right, let's
go to Brian in Kansas City.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
Good morning, sir, Hey Brian, how are you man?

Speaker 1 (15:26):
I'm good, good? How are you?

Speaker 6 (15:28):
No complaints?

Speaker 11 (15:29):
No complaints?

Speaker 5 (15:30):
You know, I was thinking yesterday when I was listening
to you know, people talk about the interviews and such
and the process. You know, what's the when it comes
to leadership. What's the special sauce when it when it
works in the longer terms? You know, when we see
the Phil Jackson and Michael Jordan Belichick and Brady Reid
and Mahomes like, what is that special sauce between the team,

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the star player and the coach that when it works
and it works for more than just a Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (16:04):
You know, well, it's like you know, chocolate and ice cream.
I mean, you got you got something great here, and
you got something great and you mix it together and
look at look at that you got a Sunday. I mean,
Andy Reid is great, and so is Patrick Mahomes and
Phil Phil Jackson is great, and so and Michael Jordan.
It was even greater. You know what I'm saying. I
just think you have those Those are great examples, you said,

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and there's not a ton of them, but they are
great examples of you've got guys that greatness that kind
of formed together, that that that actually play make each
other better because of it, and you know you don't
you just don't have that in a lot of areas.
I mean, I think those are three great ones. I
don't know if you could come up with three more,

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just right off the off the top. And you went
back for thirty years, forty years of sports, not just football,
you know, so it's rare and when it happens, it's special.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
Well, and it's it really is a special relationship because
like you said, they don't last. Yeah, just not a
lot of those. You know, somebody's ego gets stepped on
and you know, next thing, you know, everybody's moving on. Hey.
So here's my question for you today. My question is
because we don't know what schemes were running next year,

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you know all that stuff, you know, all the impacts
of what kind of special teams are we running, what
kind of offense, what kind of defense? I'm in favor
of what you said. I think Micah would be better
in a three to four How in your opinion, based
on what you've seen in your lifetime and in working
with the Cowboys, how long can they drag I don't

(17:37):
want to say drag this out like it's a negative.

Speaker 6 (17:39):
How long can.

Speaker 5 (17:40):
This process last before it starts really negatively impacting how
you're building your team for next year? And I'll hang
up and listen there, good to talk to you.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Hold on, Brian, Just just to clarify, you're saying this,
this coaching search, how long can they can they go
with it? Are you? Are you talking about right now? Okay?

Speaker 6 (18:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (18:02):
How long for all of them? Because we don't know
what any of the systems are for next year? Yeah,
so how do you get you know, doesn't that make
Will's job very difficult?

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (18:12):
You know, so how long in your opinion could it
go before? Okay? Now we're creating our own problem because
we don't know what we're looking for, you know, in
terms of personnel.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, now I hear you, I mean and and you
and you make some good points there. I don't think
we're I don't think they're too late in the party here,
I really don't. I mean, there's other teams that don't
have head coaches as well. There's a lot of changes
that that that still are gonna are gonna happen. There's
coaches without a contract around other teams, and and and

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so what I'm saying is is that it's not like
all the good coaches are are you know, it's all
dried up and they can't get anybody there. They'll they'll
be fine, I think, you know, I think they have
an idea of who who it's going to be. And
it'd be careful how I say this. But Schottenheimer and

(19:10):
Kellen Moore have been here obviously, okay, and they understand
how this goes. And and so I think that you're
saying that that, well, how long can this go? Because
you've got to start at the top and then you know,
you've got to fill all the positions. Well, I think
some of the positions are getting filled before the head coach,

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and that's we've seen that in the past. And what
kind of head coach will be okay with that? Well,
one that's never been a head coach before, you know,
looking for a shot pun intended and would be okay
with certain scenario, especially people that they've worked with. So
I what I'm saying is, I think the Cowboys have

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their tight ends coach. I think they have their own
line coach. I think they're getting close to getting their
defensive coordinator and and so all that being said, you
you you're going to get a head coach that's going
to be comfortable with the situation and probably know a
lot of those people as well. Hope, hope some of

(20:17):
that made sense. All right, Let's go to Ronnie in
New Jersey.

Speaker 10 (20:21):
Chris, I mean, Nick, how you doing? I was I
was just talking to Chris and I was telling him,
I'm like, man, we got we at least got to
get two shows a week, because once a week it
just feels like such a long wait to be able
to talk to you again at what to listen to
the show and listen to the fans.

Speaker 6 (20:41):
Did he give you?

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Did he?

Speaker 10 (20:44):
We're gonna have to We're gonna actually say we would
have to talk to Derek about that, but hey, can
we put in a petition for at least back to
twice a week at least I'll sign it.

Speaker 9 (20:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (20:56):
Yeah, But Nick, with this coaching search, I was actually
hoping that they would have had like a broader span
of interviews and candidates for the for the coaching search,
because I'll be honest with you, I know that. I
think it was last week or the week before where
you mentioned that, uh you know, yes, we're loyal to

(21:17):
the Cowboys. Yes, we've been watching them for so long. Listen.
I buy Someday ticket every year so I could watch
every single game. But at the same time, Nick, I'm
telling you right now, I do not want to see
Kellen Moore being the head coach because if that's what
they're waiting for, that's the day I'm gonna just cancel
my ticket. I'm sorry, but are we looking for the

(21:39):
number one overall pick next year? I mean, what what
are we going to be looking for if they pick
Kellen Moore? Because I hope that's not what they're waiting for.
There's so many good candidates out there. I mean, you
still got Eron Glenn, you still got Cliff Kimsbury. I
think his name is from the from the Commanders More.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
I take Kellen Moore over Cliff Kingsbury. All Day. Really, Yeah,
I mean, yeah I would, but I mean I don't
have a young quarterback.

Speaker 10 (22:12):
I mean, look at it. Look at what he's doing
with this rookie quarterback. He's making this guy look good.
I wouldn't go against Kingsbury because of what was in Arizona,
because arisona come on, I got the guy had the
quarterback there had a contract where they needed him to
study in order for for whatever expectations they were they
wanted to meet. So if you got to put something

(22:33):
like that in a contract for a quarterback, that's that's
telling you something. You know what I'm saying that I
wouldn't put that on the coach.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, I'm just telling you. I mean, me person, i'd
rather have Kellen Moore. But but that's that's okay that
I mean, everybody's got the thrown opinion, just like your
opinion is and you say you're done or you're checking out,
which I don't believe, Ronnie. I don't believe that.

Speaker 9 (22:53):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
I mean, come on now, like like I understand, I
I don't.

Speaker 10 (22:58):
More, like, what are we looking for? We're getting Kellen
Moore as a head coach, Like we always said that
you need this team needs discipline. Kellen Moore. When he
was here, Yeah, the office was doing pretty good. What
was the defense doing, Nick? That defense, when that offense
was looking pretty good, was getting so many turnovers? They
were playing outstanding. I mean you were getting the most

(23:20):
out of out of you know, players that were good
or defensive coordinator was making him look great. So so,
you know, one, you got to look at both sides
of the coin. It's not just hey, he made that
little good. Yeah, when you're getting the ball on the thirty,
you know what I'm saying, Like, when you're getting so
many turnovers, he had no choice. But and like you said,

(23:43):
Rex Ryan, why aren't we looking like a guy like
Rex Ryan? And I would trade a first round pick
for McVeigh right now today. I will give up that
twelve overall pick and next year's second round pick, wouldn't you.
Thanks for listening to my call, Nick, All right.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Thanks, I'd flip it. If I would flip it, i'd
go this year second next year is one. But I
would do that too. Look at that guy's draft history.
I mean, look who are their star players over there?
You know, you look at the Rams and you look
at Kyrin Williams and fifth round running back. Look at

(24:19):
Pukaku who I think it's a fifth round or maybe
a fourth Cooper Cooper Cup, third or fourth round. Matthew
Stafford was you know, revived his career, so not revived,
it actually made him better. I mean, he didn't revive
his career, took him to another level later on in
his career. Usually when it when it goes the other way.

(24:40):
So yeah, I would do that too, but I don't.
I don't, I don't think that's happening. But yeah I would.
I would look into the situations like that, and so
and who knows, who knows if if the Cowboys are
done yet? You know, I mean there's there's there's part
of this is it's some it's a gaming situation here,
you know what I mean. I mean there's some gamesmanship.

(25:02):
We'll see, we'll see if if that's just what it
looks like right now. These are two candidates and and
I get it. I totally understand not being excited about it.
And it's hard to sell like that. Those are those
are tough to sell to fans. But you know they'll
do it and they'll you know, you'll buy it and

(25:23):
we'll all buy it, and we'll be here and figure
out and see see what happens and find a way
to get excited about whatever it is. But yeah, I
think right now, I totally understand the frustration because it's
with those two candidates. It's hard to look at and go, well,
you know what what's so great about? Now? You say,
when Kellen was here, look at that defense? I mean

(25:44):
I don't remember the eighty five Bears being on defense.
I I remember some some turnovers and you know, and
Michael Parsons was playing there in twenty one, and yeah,
I mean they were, you know, they were good, but
but I don't I remember it kind of being as
it was a good It was a good offense, good,
it was a good combination. Those are good football teams
on both sides of the ball. Let's take a break

(26:05):
here on Cowboys storyline. We'll be right back after this.

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Speaker 15 (27:48):
To Cowboys storyline.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
All right, welcome back to Cowboys storyline. We've got almost
an hour. We can still talk about the Cowboys coaching search,
what happens after that? Not a lot to talk about players.
And the thing is is you don't you just don't know.
You don't know where they're going to be, what what's there,
what's the setup going to be, where they're going to

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be asked to do? So you know, it's this is
a game of dominoes. And the first one, well I
say it's the first one. I did mention before the
break that you know some of these positions are already
sort of in place, and from from my understanding, the
Cowboys are trying to do that at special teams. They
were trying to do that with John Fossil. It just

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got to a situation where they were trying to wait
and see what we got here. All right, thanks Chris.
We're trying to wait and see obviously we get something
down for the for the head coaching position, and and
Fossil decided, Hey, you know, I've got to I've got
to go here and Tennessee and and they've got a

(29:00):
coach and they they've got a plan, and I can't
wait because the thing is is that, yeah, you you
can wait and say I'm on staff, but then the
new coach comes in, may have may have something completely different,
and so that would that would kind of leave him out.
So I think he decided he had to he had
to make a decision here. So that's what he did.
And and you know, I don't necessarily blame him for

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that timing uh is and he can do that because
he has had He's the most six most accomplished probably
coach on the staff. The other guy Zimmer as well.
But but I think I think Fossil is probably a
lot more coveted than some of the other coaches, and
so he decided to do that. But some of the

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other assistants are kind of in limbo right now, kind
of waiting. All right, let's go to Jeremy and d
C on the on the line. Hey, yo, Nick brother,
how are you doing.

Speaker 16 (29:52):
I'm doing good, man?

Speaker 7 (29:53):
How you doing?

Speaker 1 (29:53):
I'm good? What's up?

Speaker 17 (29:55):
I'm all right, man. You didn't hurt nobody.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Today, not today, not today. We'll see how they all right.

Speaker 16 (30:01):
So I got two names for you man for coaching.
I think my man Robin Vegas going like this. I
want to trail him a little bit. So I got
Rex Ryan and met Patrick. No, but but I I
was I was going with Pete Curle because I feel
like everybody was comparing Dak to Russell Wilson when he

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first came out, and I feel like Pete Curle and
now that I heard more about Shotty, I think he
should be uh in consideration as well, because they are
the only two that knew how to use Russell Wilson
and with him to a championship.

Speaker 18 (30:39):
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah, are you saying? Schottenheimer as the offensive coordinator play
caller or as the head coach or both.

Speaker 16 (30:48):
I would like to see him at least try to
call them plays because Mike didn't even let him call plays,
So yeah, you know, you know, so I mean it's
worth a try, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And
then you could just uh and you could just have
like the reason why I'm going with Pete Curle because
he the one that put Chris Rashard and Dan Quinn

(31:08):
and all those guys together, and that's basically with our
defense runs like those guys put together.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
You know, and he puts good staffs together. There's no
doubt about it. He's done. He has a history of that.

Speaker 19 (31:21):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 16 (31:22):
And I don't have a problem with Chucky either because
he can put he can do a good like offense,
but you probably would have to help him with that
defensive staff. And I don't mind Mike Zimmer coming back
because it looks like he the only one that's uh,
Jayleen Daniels stoppers, So so they might want to think

(31:43):
about bringing him back. And if they do bring him back,
what do you think about having that offensive coordinator that
left that that was in New Orleans as our offensive coordinator?
If if they just have Dan Quinn as the head
coach because he was running some some cool plays that
uh that everybody was saying that they liked when New
Orleans beat the brakes.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
Off of us.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, and then but but you know, coordinators get figured
out too. You know that that's what makes you a
great coordinator is that you can always be a step ahead,
a step ahead. I don't know if I mean, yeah,
New Orleans looked great in week one and week two
it didn't. It didn't continue for them, So I don't
I don't know, I don't know if that's great, but
I like, I like a lot of your points that

(32:25):
that you're making.

Speaker 16 (32:26):
And uh, I had Ben Johnson Howe on my list
man into that third in one place. So yeah, well
but that's all I got for.

Speaker 13 (32:35):
You, man.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah. Thanks. You know, it's funny we were we were
having that discussion at lunch yesterday about about Jayden Daniels
playing against the Cowboys and he really didn't have a
lot of success. I mean, didn't win, didn't win the
first game, second game, he was pulled at halftime and
you know they weren't winning and he had led him
to a field goal, so he didn't have a lot
of success against the Cowboys. Now dan Quinn run goes

(33:01):
for two after that miracle touchdown with what thirty seconds
to go, and goes for two to try to get
the win. I think, I don't think the Cowboys stop them.
I think they probably win the game. But they kicked
the extra point, they missed it, and then you know,
we all know how that ended. But yeah, a lot
of a lot of stuff there. Let me let me
throw out one point though, that you said about Schottenheimer

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calling plays, and there's a belief inside the building and
I've heard this from two different people that that some
of the marinkles, some of the different things that that
they were trying to do. Schottenheimer has been kind of
pushing for that for a while and it was met,

(33:45):
you know, probably not favorably by McCarthy. At least that's
the narrative. And it's easy to say that now you
know that that stuff happens a lot, the turpin running
the ball stuff with some things that Schottenheimer was trying
to kind of get in there, and some of the
new wave offensive things that that we started to sort
of see those were kind of pushed by him. And

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so that's why. I think if he's got support by
the players, especially the offensive players, it's because they kind
of know that he's got some you know, he's got
an offensive mind and and and you know, and it's
done some things like that, and it was trying to
do that stuff here. Again, I'm not real big on
on talking bad about guys that not in the building anymore,

(34:30):
you know, I just because that's easy to do. You
hear it all the time now, you know. Now, to
be fair, I heard some of it while he was here,
so it's not it's not just you know, a guy's gone.
But but I think that's sort of that. That's the
narrative we're gonna hear a lot of if if it
is Schottenheimer, it's that you know, basically, you know, it
was handcuffed and couldn't do what he wanted to do.

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Let's go to Sebastian and Savannah Georgia.

Speaker 20 (34:53):
Hey there, how are we doing? Miss even?

Speaker 1 (34:55):
How are you doing? Glad you made it? You got in.

Speaker 20 (34:57):
Man, for real. It's like the DNV on a frame.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
It's hard to get to the line, but.

Speaker 20 (35:02):
Uh, glad to get to talk to you guys. I'm
gonna keep it fast and so other people can get
in here too. When I hear Schottenheimer, it did make
me turn my head and go hunh, because I really
don't think or personally, I don't feel anybody who had
anything to do with that offense last year is who
I want as a head coach, who I'm really pulling
for because of his performance and how everyone performs under him.

(35:23):
Al Harris, I would love to see him get a shot.
If we're going to stay in building, if we're going
to go out of the building, we're actually gonna like
go up a head coach and close out the Mike
McCarthy era, do a real coach search, find a real
people mover at head coach. Hell, when I heard Shottenheimer,
I was like, I would rather Will.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Mcravey the head coach.

Speaker 20 (35:42):
But I don't know enough about Schottenheimer. Like I said,
I don't just like him as a person. I've heard
him like one or two times on interviews and that's
about it. But I would love for Al Harris to
get a shot. And when you see people like Dan
Quinn go and I called earlier in the year last year,
and I told you that Dan was going to turn
that team around. Now they're in the thing, They're in
the play off, and we're sitting here like, this is

(36:02):
the guy that you let go a year before. You
were gonna let Mike go anyway, and we scape going
to him because we lost lost that playoff game, but
he took our team from a historically bad defense to
a historically good defense, and we let him go, kept Mike,
and then let Mike go the next year anyway, So
I want to see as good a real situation started.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yeah you say, you say that, but but there's no
way you could have done it the other way. There's
no way you could have fired Mike and hired him
that after the Packer game. I mean, I was almost
surprised that he got a job after that.

Speaker 20 (36:33):
Game, which I don't disagree at all, But if you remember,
in both of the San Francisco games, it was always
the offense underperforming, and that that was the year that
they were like, okay, fine, this time is Dan's fault.
But like I said, the reason I was happy for
Dan to get a job, like you said, was because
of that opportunity. I was like, that was one time
where he did fail us, but he never failed us

(36:53):
prior to that Mike throwed us on seve occasions. I
think it's Jesse Hollywood says it all the time that
a good head coach is where two or three games
a season. I want us to get a coach who's
gonna help us win games instead of working against us.
But listen, I'm gonna hang up and listen. You guys
have a great day. And uh well, there's one one
last thing. The worst part about not making the playoffs
is we only get one storyline a week and it's

(37:16):
killing me.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
You guys have a great day, all right, appreciate it.
I think Jeremy's starting a petition Jeremy and DC. Sebastian
sounds like he would sign it. Uh you know, you say,
you say, there may be something to the fact of
when these coaches are interviewing before, you know, before the game.

(37:37):
I mean again, I'm sure it's happened for a long
time and and and maybe it's just you know, we're
just seeing it recently. Dan Quinn, I mean, dan Quinn's
defense looked like, you know, he was run by a
coordinator that was that was that was interviewing for other jobs.
You know that when when they played the Packer game,
last year in the playoffs. I mean that's what looked like.

(38:00):
And then you know you can you could say the same,
I guess for Aaron Glynn. You know Aaron Aaron Glenn was.
You know, it's been interviewed for a lot of jobs
as well. I that would be that would be a
guy that I would bring in. That would be my guy.
If I if I could take any of these candidates
that have been talked about, it would be Aaron Glynn.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
You want to bring a former a former player in
or a familiar face, which is what we're doing so
many times around here. Bring him in. He was here
for two years. Parcels guy, old school guy, relates to
the players, tough, gritty. You can't be an undersized cornerback
and play ten years in the NFL if you don't
have some fight. I mean you have to. And I

(38:39):
mean I always I said it before. I mean it's
like it's like that's Jordan Lewis before Jordan Lewis, and
he was better than Jordan Lewis. I mean he was.
It was a he was an outside corner that that
that played on an island and and you know was
told he was too small and and and for years,
and he was. He was great, and I think he
coaches the same way. Maybe he's he's with the Jets
now or he's gonna be in the Jets the same

(39:00):
I mean, hasn't even heard I haven't even heard about
an interview here. I don't know if that's if that's
going to be the case, but that would be on
my guy. But let's keep it, let's keep it going on.
Let's go to Mike. Mike in Birmingham, England.

Speaker 15 (39:14):
Hello, Nick's nice to speak to you again.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
How are you doing.

Speaker 15 (39:18):
I'm all right, thank you. It's been a little while
because this new off season time isn't good for me.
But that's okay. You can't please all the people all
the time. But I'm very much on board with the
let's bombard Derek with requests for a second time slot
during the week. So a couple of weeks ago when

(39:40):
the season ended, you had quite a lot of calls,
and before I get into the head coach stuff, you
had quite a lot of calls and quite a lot
of platitudes from people, and I just wanted to just
very briefly let you know what it has meant to
me having storyline over the last year and more because
around here you turn every corner and someone's talking about soccer,

(40:02):
but there's not a lot of people talking about football
and the Cowboys. And so to be able to have
this even if I'm not calling in, to be able
to have this and listen to some really, really knowledgeable people,
passionate people talking about the Cowboys, and to listen to
you and the knowledge that you bring to it. And

(40:24):
when I have called in, there are two calls that
I've made this year that come to my mind, which
is after the Cleveland game when I was high as
a kite, we'd signed that we'd signed CD, we were
heading to the super Bowl. And then after the Lions game,
when quite different and I went on a proper rant

(40:44):
and whether or not you agreed with every word I
was saying, you kind of validated the view. And you're
very calm and very level and very measured for the host.
You know, really you never make anyone feel silly about
their view, and you listen and you give you a response.
So a big thank you and long may it continue.

(41:08):
And I'm enjoying the success of the show.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yeah, well, thank you for saying that. I appreciate that.
I say it all the time. Everyone's opinion is undefeated,
so you know, we share different daypoints. But if it's
your opinion, then you're right. You are right. Uh doesn't
mean that I agree or you agree, or anyone agrees,
but you know, or maybe some people are misguided misinformed.
Sometimes that happens. But but now, if that's what you

(41:31):
see it, that's how you see it, then you're certainly
right about it. I try to. I've learned that a
long time ago from from people in the building that
that would would would kind of tell me differently, like no,
you're wrong, and I'm like, no, you know, it always
bothers me when people say that about someone's opinion. So
I really try to share that approach with you guys
as well.

Speaker 15 (41:50):
So yeah, all right, well well thank you, and so
let's get into some more opinions. Unfortunately, I haven't been
listening to much of the show. I've been trying to
get in because.

Speaker 7 (42:01):
Those always you're very, very popular.

Speaker 15 (42:03):
But what is going on. It sounds like we made
no approach for Johnson or Glenn and those who are
pretty much tied up now, or we did approach and
they weren't interested in talking to us. We're the richest
sports team in the world by a distance, and we're

(42:24):
shopping in the pound shop the dollar store. Sorry, we're
shopping in the dollar store for our head coach and
Brian Schottenheimer. Maybe brilliant, I don't know, But I don't
want to spend money for the sake of spending money.
But let's at least have a conversation with some of the.

Speaker 10 (42:41):
Top guys.

Speaker 15 (42:43):
You know, I've never been overly pro or anti Jerry.
I don't join in with a lot of the anti
Jerry rants. But the statistic it's doing the rounds about
how long it's been since teams were in the NSC Championship.
And I'm sure you know double for us than it
is for I think the Bears the next fifteen years.

(43:04):
And I know that you know, a fumble here or
an interception there might have changed that along the way.
But that is a damning statistic. And you know, you
do what you've always done, you get what you've always got,
And here we are again in the bargain basement, and
it's just very, very hard to get excited. And I

(43:26):
don't know if you've got any kind of words of
encouragement that might make us feel a little bit better
about it.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
All right, Thanks Mike, thank you for the call, Thank
you for the support, Thank you. You know, I said
it before, and I didn't mean this as a as
a shot to those guys, especially Shottenheimer, But I just think,
and I'm going to reiterate what what their strengths are
if he's the next head coach of the Cowboys, it's

(43:57):
going to be for things that you didn't necessarily you
haven't seen. You just haven't seen it. The people here
in the building, Uh, he's he's obviously impressed, you know,
the people, enough of the people in the way he
goes about his business, the way he's handled a unique
situation to be the offensive coordinator but not really but

(44:17):
not call the plays and all that. And I think
that that people understand, you know, what he's done, the
success that he's had, or at least the places that
that that he's been, and you know, he gets jobs.
He's that he's definitely done that, and I think he
can that that that personality of whatever happens in those
interviews is going to carry over to to the team

(44:38):
as well. So again I'm not saying he will be
the next coach. But if he is, it's gonna be
for some things that you haven't necessarily seen, and you
know that it's it's gonna have to be you know, well,
he'll have to prove it. And that's that's the way
it is for everybody, every coach. I mean, think about it.
When Dan Campbell took the took the job with with

(45:00):
the Detroit he made all kinds of headlines because of
the way he went up there and approached that and
attacked that press conference and we're gonna bite people's kneecaps
and all that kind of stuff. But if they didn't win,
we would just it would just be a YouTube video
that we would you know, everyone would laugh at now.
But it worked. It worked. But he had he wasn't

(45:20):
proven either, you know what I mean. But he went
in there and just like Ben Johnson with you know,
with with with the Bears and and and all that,
all this stuff sounds good, but you gotta go win.
It doesn't matter. So so if he's not gonna have
some coaches are gonna be some fan bases in Chicago's
fan base is probably just through the roof right now
because they've got Ben Johnson and the Cowboys fan base

(45:41):
is probably not going to be excited about who they
have as their head coach. But all of that changes
if you go out there and then you start winning,
and we all know that, everyone knows that. That's that's
the that's the biggest you know, that's the most obvious
comment of all time. So all right, let's go to
Anthony and Miami.

Speaker 6 (46:01):
Mister Nickie, man, how you doing?

Speaker 19 (46:04):
Man?

Speaker 1 (46:05):
What's up? Man?

Speaker 6 (46:06):
Anthony's out there coming up on pomp Aid out there.
I'm holding it down till it gets back, you know, nick,
Wasn't it great to see Jerry? Wasn't it great to
see Jerry and dramatic role on the best damn show
on TV? Laying man? Wasn't it just great? There?

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Yeah? What's up? What do you got? Man?

Speaker 3 (46:29):
You know?

Speaker 11 (46:30):
Oh? Give me that, give me the phone there truth
than everybody. How you doing?

Speaker 9 (46:37):
Good?

Speaker 20 (46:38):
Day? Hey?

Speaker 11 (46:39):
I got something real easy and real quick.

Speaker 19 (46:42):
Man.

Speaker 11 (46:42):
It's just a draft wish list. I want to get
mine out the way out, man. I need these four positions.

Speaker 19 (46:47):
Man.

Speaker 11 (46:47):
I thought long a hard on this one. We all
kind of know running back these tackle guard because you
don't know what that's gonna do and you don't know
if we're gonna sign Brock, but the keep one of
the keepers this was we need not just a receiver,
because you got four of them, mean go on them
and all beside CD. So you got receivers. We're missing
a slot receiver because if you notice, our tight ends

(47:10):
haven't been able to do that possessing thing across the
middle and be the quarterback's best friend like they should
have one, like they did a year ago. So we
get that slot receiver, key slot receiver, get an impactful DT,
impactful running back, and the guard. We're gonna be all right.
I didn't want to play around with a little bit
a lot going today and then haul that to today.

Speaker 9 (47:29):
Man.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
I appreciate it, all right. Man, Hey, I agree with
you on the slot receiver. I mean, a speedy guy.
I mean, you know, Turfing really isn't a slot guy.
That's not that's not really his his role. I mean,
he's he's that type of body type. But I do

(47:50):
think that they need need a little bit more of
a playmaker at receiver. Now I've seen mock drafts. I
think it was old uh name Brugler had had Luther
Burden as the as the receiver from Missouri as a
draft going to the Cowboys at twelve. Uh, I can't
say I'd be okay with that. I'm I'm I think

(48:13):
I think you know, you do need another playmaker. But
but I if you can't get it blocked up front,
it doesn't really matter, you know. Like like I I think,
I think you gotta get I'm fine with an offensive line,
any guard or tackle. I'd be fine with the defensive tackle,
even an edge rusher. Fine with that. More edge rushers

(48:35):
you can get the better. And if it's the running back,
then you know I then then I definitely got to
make sure to address guard and tackle at other ways
as well. But all right, let's keep it going. Let's
got Rob in Vegas.

Speaker 13 (48:52):
Hey Rob, how are you doing?

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Oh? Well, you know, I'm fine. I'm fine. How are
you doing?

Speaker 13 (49:01):
I'm good. I mean it's just laughable. I mean, Schottenheimer
and Kellen Moore are the same guy, except one can
grow facial hair and the other one can't. That's neither
has any business being the head coach of any team,
let alone the Dallas Cowboys. And I've said it before.

(49:23):
Believe Jerry when he talks he's eighty two years old.
So when he tells you I bought this FEN team
and I could do whatever I want, believe him. He
doesn't care about winning like people say he does. It
be a bonus. But being comfortable and being relevant, I'm

(49:45):
more important and it shows.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
So who do you want to be the head coach?
Who do you want to be? I mean, I'm sorry, Rob,
We've heard that rant and we've heard that rant before.
So who do you want here? On Wednesday, January twenty second?
Who do you want to be?

Speaker 6 (49:57):
Bill?

Speaker 13 (49:58):
Don't get the best coach? Bill Belichick? He's available. Jerry
raves about him. Jerry says, he's like a see he's
the greatest coach. Well, you have the ability to go
get him. You not making the move to get him
is telling.

Speaker 11 (50:13):
Us you don't want to win.

Speaker 13 (50:15):
You wanted some puppet. Aaron Glenn. We just talked about it.
He's probably the best guy available right now. You didn't
even call him. Yeah you had, Mike Rabel was out there.
You didn't call him. It's let you you're passed by.
You're the you're the third best team in the division. Now, Uh,

(50:35):
you're falling further and further behind. Your quarterback is falling
further further behind because of the injuries. I mean, I
I just don't get it.

Speaker 20 (50:46):
You have the.

Speaker 13 (50:47):
Ability to get these guys, and you're going to try
to sell Shottenheimer or a Kellen Moore to the fanbase.
And you know, Nick, you keep saying fans are going
to be there. I'm not gonna be there. I got
other stuff to do. You know, well I watched the games, sure,
once in a while, but I turned off more games

(51:10):
this year than ever. And that's how fans need to
do it. I mean, all right, just don't get just
don't buy the product it just because it's the part.

Speaker 21 (51:20):
No.

Speaker 13 (51:21):
We deserve better, and the ability to do better is
staring us in the face. And he's telling us I
don't care, I want to I'm gonna do what I
want to do.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
All right, all right, Rob, thanks for the call, And
you know, I get the frustration. I mean, I I
understand it. You know, there's it's clear you know what
type of coach that that that certain fans want that
you know obviously that Rob would want, you know, and

(51:56):
and Mike Rabel, you know, like now that you mentioned
his name, I mean that that seemed like that was
done pretty quick quickly there in New England. I don't
even think McCarthy was was out of contract when when
all when all that happened, and and and I'll be honest,
I mean that one kind of surprised me of why
he was getting so much love and attention. I mean,

(52:19):
I mean, I think he went to the playoffs once
with with with Tennessee, but then they got fired, you know, so,
but who knows, maybe they'll be better there. And I
know there's some other names. I mean Aaron Glenn that
that that sounds great too. I mean Aaron Aaron Glenn,
you know, he seems like he's I said, I think
that would be a good hire. I'm not sure why

(52:40):
the Cowboys haven't gone that that way what they're trying
to do. And and I don't believe any fan that
calls this show is is gonna is gonna be done,
you know, done with it. You can be frustrated for
a little bit, but but we we are Cowboy fans.
It doesn't you know, we don't choose to be. And

(53:01):
I've said that many times. It chooses us. And it's
so I don't I don't necessarily believe that anybody is
gonna say I'm done or I'm turning it off. He
turned it off because it was you know, you're down
thirty points or twenty points or whatever. But turned it
back on. And that's that's what we do. That's what
we do. Again. I'm not saying I'm not sitting here

(53:22):
and trying to advocate for some of these coaches. I don't.
I don't necessarily think that's the right way. I don't
know how you could be excited about it. But but
what you get excited about is the season, a new season,
a new start. And you know, I'll tell you this,
the expectations would be very low, so it wouldn't be

(53:43):
it wouldn't be hard for some of these coaches that
they're talking about to to have some success based off
of expectations, because you know, they can't start much lower
than what it seems like it's going to be. If
that is the case again, and we've talked about it before,
let's let's let's let fans do what they're going to do.
Uh if if somebody says, hey, I'm done, whatever, but

(54:06):
telling other fans what to do and how to fan
and all that stuff, we don't do that around here.
We know that. So all right, let's go to Ali
in Florida.

Speaker 19 (54:13):
Good morning, sir, How are you pretty good?

Speaker 6 (54:15):
Buddy?

Speaker 19 (54:15):
If we miss you, thank you. Please tell Derek because
Texas lost, don't take his activation on a storyliner to
give us once a week. Just give us a luttle love.
Having said that, uh, you know the code that said
show me the money in the movie, right, And I

(54:38):
think you are so right. The money has a lot
to do with it because right now, I believe the
head coach of Minnesota got I think twenty million dollars
a year. I don't know, but that's what I heard.
So just so all these big coaches that have big salaries.
But having said that, I'm the because right now we

(55:00):
lost a coach. The fans expectation is a bit a
little bit lower because it's a new coach. Then they're
going to give him some time. I think, if you
want to choose between Kellen and Shady, I will go.
I know you don't agree with it. I'll go take

(55:22):
Jason Whitten, and I would hire Romo as the offensive coordinator.
Romo's towards the end of his life. In his career,
he is so knowledgeable. I would rather take a shot
with them and lose than try kellen and shouty.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
That's all I have.

Speaker 19 (55:42):
I love you, brother Michu, and please tell Derrick to
give us a little love, to give us to shoot
to show per.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Week, fight appreciate it. One thing about Romo, I think
he makes more than all of the offensive coaches and
probably most of the staff can bind uh and Monday
through Friday, maybe Monday through Thursday, he's he's at home
and then you know, studying maybe, but but and then

(56:12):
goes and does the does the games on the weekend.
You know, you don't see a lot of guys that
go from TV back to coaching. It's it's it's a
good it's a good you know, good gig and and
you make a lot of money and and you still,
you know, you get through out your opinion and and
you spend a lot more time with your family. So
and I don't see Romo being the assistant witting or anybody. Uh,

(56:37):
I just don't see that happening. It's good, it's fun
to talk about, but I don't think that's that's that's
going to be the case. There. You made another point though,
about the coaching and the salaries. And this is probably
what I think Rob was talking about. And I've started
art some others as well, like nobody wants to hear
the the well, that's just the way Jerry is about

(56:59):
about the coaches. He just doesn't pay the coach. Nobody
wants to hear that. There's no salary cap there. You
have a helicopter, you have a yacht, you you you,
I mean like you can do all this stuff. Other
teams are doing it with a lot less money. That's
just what they choose to do. So no fan, I'll
tell there's no fan wants to hear that that's how
it is in Dallas because you know, they just don't

(57:21):
have the money for it, or they just don't choose.
That's not something that fan will want want to hear.
They understand the salary cap and that one is tough
to understand. So and I I agree with that. I
mean that that you would you would think that you know,
he could go go and do that and pay, you know,
for to pay top dollar for for a coach. And

(57:41):
I and I would think if there was one that
he thought, you know, would really come in and make
a difference, he would do that. Belichick would have would
have been the one. Again. I don't know. That's that
situation in North Carolina right now. I think you could
go get him. Another's a there's a buy out. Maybe
he hasn't signed it. I'm not sure that whole deal.
I kind of closed that that chapter when he went

(58:02):
up to North Carolina. But anyways, you know, I just
I understand the fans frustration there. You understand the cap
for the players, but for a coach, if there was
one out there, I mean, why not try to pay
top dollar? So that one, I'm sure is always a
head scratcher for fans. All right, let's go to one
more break. Actually, let's take let's take a break here

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lives at Lester and minnesot Next Buster.

Speaker 17 (01:00:03):
Come on and nixt I couldn't get in last week,
and I tried, but I know we're talking about the
head coaches. My thing is is, I know you've said
it in a couple of other people said let's go
get the best available out there because there's no salary
cap on the head coaching. So we don't really want

(01:00:26):
to hear that about he don't pay this or whatever. Uh,
these are the coaches. I mean, I don't even like
some of these coaches, but I think we need a
leader of men, not not someone that just is new. Well,
you can get someone a chance that they're new, Okay,
that's fine, but I'd rather have a leader of men.

(01:00:48):
That's all I'm saying. So here's here's my little list.
I don't I don't really care for this. This his
coaching style, but he's the best to me. Belichick, it's
not Belichick, Rex Ryan, it's not Rex Ryan. Chucky. I
don't really care for Chucky either, but that's okay.

Speaker 19 (01:01:09):
Pete Carroll.

Speaker 17 (01:01:11):
And then if I want to give it, in my opinion,
if I want to give what's left of the list,
if I want to give a new coach a chance,
I would go with Glenn. Now, also, what happened to Dion?
I mean, I heard Dion name a few times, and
then he would have really been at the top of
my list. But I guess he's not available anymore. I'm
not sure, but that's that's my list. And also, as

(01:01:34):
I always say, until we get a good, very good
offense and defensive line, this is what we got, you know,
Cowboy fans, no matter who the head coaches, we need
both of those things at the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Okay, all right, all right, Lester, appreciate that. I'll answer that.
You know, obviously your your mindset, big big name, big name,
loud voice, and uh and with some experience behind it.
That's I don't think that's what the Cowboys are looking

(01:02:08):
at at least. Yeah, there was a phone call to Dion.
I think it was just that. I don't think that.
I mean, there was not an official interview and it
was not done for the Rooney Rule or anything like that.
It was, you know, two guys that that are very
similar in what their agenda was. And I think with
that that phone call and uh, you know, two business

(01:02:32):
people probably trying to help each other out at the
same time. That's really what what what I think that
that was. I don't I don't think there was a
lot of interest there Dion being the head coach of
the team. And I don't think Dion really wants to
be in the NFL right now, uh unless he's coaching
his son, uh and so, and definitely not trying to
go up against him twice a year. So I don't

(01:02:52):
see that being a situation that was that was ever
really gonna gonna happen here. Let's go to Zach in Germany.

Speaker 18 (01:03:01):
Hey, Nick, how are you good?

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
How are you good? To hear from you?

Speaker 18 (01:03:04):
Good brother. Sorry, it's been a little while. Got a
couple of questions for you today, So start with the
first one. Which one do you think hurts worse for
the Cowboys watching dan Quinn take a ricky quarterback to
the Nafty Championship game or the Giants watching Saquon leave
Philly to the championship game?

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
The Giants the Giants because they let him go. They
they let him go. They couldn't make it work. And
you know, I don't think the Cowboys weren't in the
same position to keep Dan. They could have. They could
have fired their head coach and promoted dan Quinn. That
would have been bad optics, I think, And so I
mean probably. You know, it's both, you know it hurts both.

(01:03:49):
I mean, what about the Cowboys just watching Philly go
to the super Bowl? I mean even even at that,
I mean, there's not gonna be a good scenario coming
out of it on Sunday. I mean like this, you know,
somebody's I went to the Super Bowl. That that that
you've grown up hating. So that's that's the reality, you know, Phi,
Philly versus Washington in the Super Bowl. I mean, and

(01:04:10):
and for a chance to go to the Super Bowl
as about as as bad as he gets for a
Cowboy fan.

Speaker 18 (01:04:15):
One hundred percent, I agree.

Speaker 23 (01:04:17):
And the only thing that I guess you could add
with the Dan Quinn piece is he's doing it with
a rookie quarterback, which is even more impressive. So but yeah,
I think Dan hung around. I think I think personally,
I think Dan wanted to get the opportunity to head
coach the Cowboys. I know they were paying him that
type of money and he had other opportunities two.

Speaker 18 (01:04:34):
Years ago and last year, and he decided to stay.
But you know, I wish him the best.

Speaker 6 (01:04:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:04:38):
Second question for our head coaching search, would you prefer
an offensive minded coach? Or defensive minded coach. And with
that one, why and two, if they could get you
to being a top five either offense or top five defense,
which one would you prefer?

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Okay, appreciate that, man, I would thank you, thanks, chuckle.
I would take a top five offense. I take a
top five offense because I think having a great offense
can help your defense a little bit more than a

(01:05:17):
great defense helps your offense. I mean, we've seen it
both ways. We've we've seen it, We've seen it both ways.
But you know, offenses are really good, even the great defenses.
Sometimes you're gonna give up some points. But I think
in this case, I would take you know, especially the
way this team is structured and what you're paying Dack

(01:05:38):
a lot of money, You're paying CD a lot of money.
I would get an offensive I would definitely get an
offensive coach. Now as far as the defensive, as far
as what kind of mindset for your head coach, that
one's a little tricky because who's calling the plays. Like, like,
if I I could see both scenarios here, if Robert
Sala was the head coach and you had an offensive

(01:06:01):
coordinator that you really liked, that that worked well, with that.
Maybe that was Shottenheimer. I would be fine with that. Uh.
If Shottenheimer or Kellen Moore is the head coach, then
I want a veteran defensive you know, coordinator as well.
So one way or another, I think I think that
those two have to balance. But you're asking me who
I would rather have. If I'd rather have a top

(01:06:24):
five offense or a top five defense, Uh, I think
I would. I would take the top five offense. You know,
give me a team that's scoring points and giving me all,
always giving me a chance to go down. And you
know you can. You can come back from from games
if you need to. You can, you can you step
on their throat because you just got a great you know,
you're probably gonna be really balanced.

Speaker 11 (01:06:44):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
In this day and age, I would probably take a
top five offense over a defense. Good question, though, uh
Irwin in Colorado?

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Hey, Nick, how's it going good?

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
How are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
I'm doing great? Little cold up here, little snowy, but
we're dealing with it. Well.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Isn't that what happens when you moved to Colorado? I
mean in January? I mean, isn't that kind of expected?

Speaker 9 (01:07:06):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Oh, It's always expected yeah, sure, that's we used to it.
It's we look forward to the four seasons anyway. But listen, Nick,
I was listening to Rob, and you know, I kind
of agree with him and most of his stuff, but
not everything. And that's usually the case with Rob when
he's calling in, I don't usually agree with him with everything.
I have a question for you. Does Jerry Jones listen

(01:07:30):
to your podcast? Do you know?

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
And I hope not. No, I don't think so. I
wouldn't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Yeah. Well, you know what, I just wanted to say
that watching that last game, that last playoff game with Washington,
I couldn't help but be happy for them. And that
sounds crazy because I really disliked them, but it was
just because you know, they seem to be really building
something really good there, the ownership, the coaches, just everything
in general, and I just couldn't help the thing when

(01:08:00):
they were doing that to Detroit what Jerry Jones was thinking.
And I don't know if he ever listens to any
of these shows, or if he even cares to hear
what the fans have to think or not, but I
just wanted to get your thoughts on that, and one
more thing, if it was my decision. I would hire
Robert Sala and possibly go after Lincoln Riley as the
offensive coordinator. And I'd just like to get your thoughts

(01:08:22):
on that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Well, you know, I don't see head coaches in college
going to be offensive coordinators in the NFL. I mean,
I just I just don't see that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
I mean, but didn't Jimmy Johnson do that when he
took over? Didn't he bring in college coordinators? And yeah
it was a little rough start, but I mean they
got it all worked out. What did Jerry?

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
But wait, Lincoln Riley's the head coach at USC, right,
I mean did I miss that?

Speaker 10 (01:08:52):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
No, he absolutely is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
I don't see a head coach of a college team
going to be the offensive coordinator in the NFL.

Speaker 17 (01:09:01):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
I don't see that that happening, especially when you're talking
about the money and what teams are they're getting paid
to do. I I just don't see that happening. I
think I think he would get a pay cut to
be the head coach to the team from you know,
I don't know this, but I would think that Lincoln
Riley probably makes more money at USC than than what

(01:09:23):
would be offered as the head coach here. I think
I don't know that though, but so certainly offense coordinator.
That's why that's tough for me to to to say, oh,
I think that would happen because I just I just
don't see. I mean, you're the CEO of your college team, uh,
and you know, and you you handle a lot more
situations there to come here and be the offensive coordinator.

(01:09:44):
I don't know if I see that. Unless you were fired,
don't have an option, then maybe maybe that's what happens.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Yeah, but that could be I mean, thinking about his future,
if he was a willing to do that, then maybe
if things didn't work out with Sala, you could possible
look at absolutely moving him up to the bed coach business.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Maybe again, that sounds great. I just can't see the
play for him saying this is this is a smart
move for me. If he doesn't work out at USC
and he gets fired, he's going to have a head
coaching job in college again, I mean, like you know,
like he'll he'll have he'll have an opportunity to do that.

(01:10:24):
So I just don't see as a head coach going
backwards to to an offensive coordinator at his point in
his career. I don't see that. If you see it
that that's fine. I don't know that that would be
a surprise for me. Yeah, all right, Irwin, appreciate it.
Let's let's keep it going. Rick in Western Massachusetts. Rick,

(01:10:47):
what's up?

Speaker 21 (01:10:48):
How are you doing good?

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
How are you?

Speaker 21 (01:10:51):
I am all right?

Speaker 19 (01:10:52):
I was Julie good.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
What's what's going on?

Speaker 21 (01:10:55):
It's gone.

Speaker 17 (01:10:56):
I'm just.

Speaker 19 (01:10:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:10:58):
Listen to you know what or Bob said earlier. Some
stuff I agree with. Sometimes I don't as far as
you know, the head coaching type thing goes. I don't
think we who had ever had a shot at Brayboo
because it was too quick. And Belichick, you know, he
has his decision he wanted before the season ended. He did,

(01:11:20):
he had feelers around, he had his people call around.
There's no way he doesn't think anybody would have hired him.
So he said, I got to go get a job.
I'll go or I wanted so I'll go to college.
I don't think he had any of those two anyways. Yeah,
they Bribery should have put a call out to you know,
is Johnson or Glenn's agent and said, hey.

Speaker 17 (01:11:43):
We'd just like to get it.

Speaker 21 (01:11:44):
You know, maybe we can set something up and then
if then you find out Johnson doesn't want to do anything,
he's he has a police that he wants to go.
He probably wanted to go to Chicago many times, and
then he said now he had the opportunity, so I'll
go and take the h the job. I don't care
what everybody else thinks.

Speaker 6 (01:12:03):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 21 (01:12:06):
Glenns Glenn left, all right, he didn't sign any contract
with the Jets. Maybe he's trying to think it over
or maybe try to look yourself. So who knows what
that one. But I would me I would hire Sala
and this he let Sala pick who he wants to be,
because he when he was at the Jets, they didn't
really get a fair shake. And he's like, no, you're

(01:12:28):
going to have this offensive quarteror you're gonna have this thing,
because that's what Rogers wants. Yeah, we give Sala a
chance and see what he could do with his people
that he wanted there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
All right, Well, I appreciate that. You know, as we
mentioned before, some of that happens here in Dallas too.
I mean some of that, as you know, I have
a feeling that Schottenheimer is probably going to be here
as either the head coach or the coordinator. So you
got that going on as well. You know, you could

(01:13:04):
hire a Robert Sala or whatever, but you know he
might have his offensive coordinator already picked. Again, I don't
know that. I'm just saying. If you're saying, well, they
didn't get a fair shake with the Jets because this happened,
and this happened. Some of that's happening here. Maybe that
happens at all places, you know. I don't I can't
say that. I know that. I don't know if Ben

(01:13:25):
Johnson goes to Chicago with guys already in place. I
doubt it, at least in that scenario. But you know, again,
it's it's all, it's all still up in the air.
You know, it's going to be an interesting next few
days for sure. When the weekend hits, I would imagine
we've got some dus going on for for sure. All right,

(01:13:46):
let's go one more call here. This is Sheriff Lonnie.
He's in Kansas. What's up man?

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:13:52):
Not much. How are you doing this morning?

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
I'm good? How are you?

Speaker 9 (01:13:56):
Oh? I'm doing well? Hey? Just a quick one on
on shoty uh it. You know he's familiar they're gonna
I think I think Jerry's gonna go stay with familiarity,
and uh, like it or not, They're only gonna pay
so much money. I'd like to see Aaron Glenn maybe

(01:14:20):
come in. He is familiar and uh, but let's get
him in there and get what kind of offense they're
gonna have, defense they're gonna have, the coaches are gonna have,
and get ready to figure out who's the best pick
for the drafts. And that's all I got.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
All right, I appreciate it. Yep, Familiarity seems to be
the theme here, you know. The only the only difference
is I would say of the of the three that
they've interviewed for, I would say the top three would
be Shottenheimer, Kellen Moore, and Sala And Sala really doesn't have,
you know, have those ties like that. But that's kind

(01:15:01):
of where where it is right now. And we've kind
of you know, and I appreciate you guys for for
calling in having some some really good opinions, some some
you know, some different ideas, some out there, some some
right on the money. Who knows what what what this
is going to be? And this isn't this isn't an
easy show to do here on this Wednesday morning, knowing

(01:15:21):
that maybe by the end of the day there's going
to be some some uh changes here, maybe definitely, but
I would say definitely by the end of the week.
I think we'll we'll know something. But anything could break
here sooner than later. And if it does, then you know,
I stand right now saying that, you know, Schottenneimer is
probably the leader in the clubhouse uh as it stands

(01:15:45):
right now, But things change quickly around here, and we'll see,
we'll see what happens. I appreciate you guys, great show.
Love sixteen Calls is outstanding, and and and love to
hear from from all you guys, and and and your opinions.
I get the frustration just not knowing where things stand.
But you know, well, we'll find something out here, probably

(01:16:05):
sooner than later. So for Chris Beam, I'm Nick Eatman.
We'll see you next Wednesday. On Cowboys Storyline.

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