Draft Season | Draft Review

Tony Pauline and Eric Crocker review the 2022 NFL Draft, going through each position, and discussing the winners and losers of the draft. SUBSCRIBE NOW: AppleSpotifyGoogleStitcheriHeart Radio 1:52 - QBs 12:29 - Tight Ends 15:19 - WRs 23:34 - O-Lineman 34:33 - Surprise risers in draft 42:03 - Giants picks

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online today. Hello and welcome to draft season. I'm Tony
Pauline with my cohort Eric Cracker, will be here talking
about what happened the past three days at the NFL Draft. Now,
you may notice the most handsome member of our group,

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John Schmelt, is not with us today. John's wife had
a baby, Grant Peter Schmelk and John's in the hospital
taking care of his wife and his newborn baby. So
we wish them the best of luck. Grant Peter Schmelt
not Peter Grant, as to many of you led zep
one fans may remember. So Eric and I are going
to do our best still for the next thirty minutes,
to show not to mess things up and talk about

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what's going on in the draft. Eric, How are you doing, buddy?
Where yet? Right now? I'm doing good. I'm down here
in Dallas. I covered the draft here for the Lockdown Network.
We were at the their Tegni studios, w f A
studio or something like that. But it was awesome, something
that I've never done before. Uh, goys, I don't think
I've ever talked football for that long, that many hours straight,

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especially day three, seven straight hours on camera. A little
nerve reckon, but uh, you know, we worked through and
it was a fun experience. So you you did all
seven rounds, all three days, all the picks, every pick,
all seven days. And obviously, I mean there were some
guys that maybe we didn't talked about, especially Day three,
but for the most part, we talked about a lot
of good stuff. And we had Isaiah standing back. He

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was a draft pick by the Dallas Cowboys. Never was
he picked one oh five, so he was at the
top of the fourth round. Then now that will be
a third round pick. But it was fun. He had
a lot of good stories about his experiences, winning Super Bowl,
playing with the New England Patriots, the Dallas Cowboys. There
was a lot of good stuff. By myself. I covered
the draft. I come to the draft all weekend, but

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we did two live stream shows of Pro Football Network
Thursday and Friday night at night five and a half hours.
Like Eric, I mean it was me and someone else,
except for a quick run to the bathroom. It was.
It was basically eleven hours of NonStop go And there
are a lot of stories that we've got to cover.
I think the biggest one is the fall of the quarterbacks.
You had one quarterback selected in the first round when

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people thought you made three or have three or four.
That quarterback was Canny Pickett. People kept waiting on Friday,
when will the quarterbacks come off? One wi the quarterbacks
came off, well, three of them finally came off in
the third round Malik Willis, Matt Corral and then Desmond Ritter.
Carson Strong wasn't even drafted. So let's talk about this, Eric,
what was your initial thought when you saw only one

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quarterback selected in round one and then at the end
of the round two there's still all the top other
three quarterbacks are available. Yeah, I think this went more
towards what people thought, not what will happen, because everyone assumes, well, quarterbacks,
they're gonna get pushed up boards regardless. But I think
it went with with what should happen, right, Like, nobody

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thought that this quarterback group was great, clearly when you
see where they're drafted. Because even if you don't think
they're great, but okay, we can work on certain things.
They have a high upside whatever it is. We can
work on certain things. Those guys that still get drafted
either first round or at the very least second round,
these guys outside of Kenny Pickett didn't even go into
the third round. I do think it helped a lot
of these guys, though there's definitely not that pressure of

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coming in having to be the guy. I think it
put them in positions to where they could be more successful.
You look at where like Malik Willis went going to
the UH Tennessee Titans have being able to play behind
a guy like Ryan Tannio and eventually being his successor.
But when he gets there, although you won't have a J. Brown,
and I know we'll talk a little bit about that,

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but okay, you got trail on Bergs your receiver, but
you get to hand the ball off to a running back.
The structure is there for a team to wear. Hey,
as a quarterback, you don't have to do everything. Just
hand the ball off to Derrick Henry thirty times a
game or throw it to him out to the backfield,
and then every once in a while, I ask you
to make a throw and then build off of that,
And that kind of is the model of what does
Seattle seatles did were Russell Wilson early on, you know

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the defense, you know, on the run game, make a
throw here and there and then progress from there. So
I think he went to probably one of the better
situations for a young quarterback. And Russell Wilson was a
third round pick. And I agree with you, Eric. You know,
it's not what anybody expected, because anyone who thought said that, yeah,
this is what I thought was gonna happen is probably
a pretty good liar. But you know, it's what should happen.

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And as far as I'm concerned, it'll be interesting to
see if this is the wave of the future moving forward,
because year after year, draft after draft, decade after decade
of teams overdrafting reaching for quarterbacks and selecting them anywhere
from a half round to a full round earlier than
they should be. VISI here, we saw only one quarterback

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and going around one Kenny Pickett, and he was the
only guy in the quarterback group that was considered NFL ready.
He was further along to step on the win onto
the field you know when the regular season starts than
everybody else. Now here's my thought. Look at what's going
on in the NFL the past year. You had Jared
you had Matthew Stafford traded for Jared Goff in a
bunch of first round picks. You've had Carson Wentz traded twice.

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You had Matt Ryan traded. You had Russell Wilson traded.
You had Aaron will Aaron Rodgers who was almost traded
until he decided he wanted to stay in Green Bay.
You had guys like Mitch Drobiski and Marcus Mariotta who
have failed today or have not lived up the expectations
to day get very large free agent contracts. And you've
got Baker Mayfield, who was kicked to the carbon is

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waiting to see what's what's going on? What am I
getting at? It seems that there may be a transition
in the NFL front office is let's say, rather than
taking him reaching for a quarterback early in the draft,
we'll take these guys, whether they're supposed to be selected second,
third route, or second day at least, and we'll go
out and we will eat a trade for a big
name quarterback, or we'll give a guy who has not

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lived up the expectations but has been an elite, we'll
try and resurrect their career. That's what it seems to
be because because of the success that the Rams had,
I mean they made that trade for Matthew Stafford, they
gave away a ton of draft capital, they gave away
Jared guff and oh yeah, they won the Super Bowl.
So it'll be interesting to see if this is the
wave of the future moving forward. Our team's gonna forget about,

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you know, drafting a quarterback in the top fifteen that
doesn't even that doesn't deserve to be in the top
forty five and then getting a veteran or was this
just the exception to the rule. Yeah, And I think
that they helped a lot of young guys go into
situations where they don't have to play where they're not
ready let's say, for instance, uh, Trevor Lawrence right where.

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You know, I'm not saying he was ever gonna slide
or anything like that, but he goes first overall. Now
he has to play right away and the team isn't
necessarily set up for him to be successful. So he goes.
He gets beat up every week, he's running for his life.
And then it comes back as you know, or the
conversation or discussion around Trevor Lawrence this offseason as well,
he wasn't very good. Well, of course he wasn't good.

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Look at the situation as coach got fired mid mid year.
He didn't have any offensive weapons. At one point his
leading receiver was like Trayvon Austin or Tavon Austin. Excuse me, uh,
you know, the running game was hit or miss. A
lot of decisions they made like he wasn't set before success.
As opposed to a guy like Ken you Pickett going
into this draft. He doesn't go number one overall, right,

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they signed a guy like Mitch Trobiski who can be
a placeholder, and then you can let Kenny Pickett developed organically.
I love what Pittsburgh Steelers did around that with one
what they did last year, getting a guy like Naja
Harris who can be a three down back, catch the
ball out the backfield. And then they already had a
couple of weapons in Chase Claypool and Deonte Johnson. Now

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they add two more guys and George Pickens and Calvan Austin.
So I think whenever that is that Kenney Pickett is
ready to go and kind of take the range from
Mr Robiskie, he will be more set up for success
and you won't see him with a clock so sped
up running for his life. It would be a much
better situation for him, and I think more teams should

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probably take that approach. Yeah, and you know you mentioned
Trevor Lawrence. It's amazing how some of the teams that
had good drafts this year or good draft this best weekend.
Now the pressure is really on those second year quarterbacks.
I'm talking about Zack Wilson and the New York Jets.
We'll get into this later, but the Jets had a
phenomenal draft. I mean, this can be a transformational draft

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for that franchise. Yet so much to the success of
that team is still tied into Zack Wilson and his development.
He doesn't make a monumental step up, you know, and
really developed into an NFL passer. Jets are gonna have
a lot of same problems because you can't win games
in the NFL by score three to two or seven
to six. You know, we got to touch on one
other quarterbacks since what we are we are focusing on

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the position. What did you think about Carson Strong falling
out of the draft? But there are a lot of
people that early on we're like, okay, is he ad
top five quarterback in this class? Uh? Maybe you know,
top four in that range, And I think a lot
of people probably had them more suit as six, maybe
behind a guy like Sam how who he went pretty
late as well. And I think he went to a
great situation going to the commander of being able to

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be behind uh, Carson wins. I think that's solid. But Carson, Carson,
car Carson Strong falling out of the draft entirely, I
think that was very surprising. And I don't know if
you've heard anything. Are there any medical issues or some
things they didn't like or there's some things at the
Senior Bowl where they're like, you know what we just
didn't like Exactly what's all, I saw a lot of

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people that are like you know, we liked the arm
strength in which he showed. You know, you saw a
lot of what he did at Nevada. I thought some
things were a little bit more hit and missed, but
nothing to the extent of seeing him drop out of
the draft entirely. So that was very surprising. Well, it's
funny you should ask me if there's something I should
know when here's why Arson Strong was one of my
favorite quarterbacks coming into the season. In fact, I had

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said prior to the start of two thousands twenty one
college season that I believe that Carson Strong had the
ability to be the next quarterback from the Mountain West
Conference to be selected in the first round. Two years ago,
you had Jordan's Love if you touched a two years
before that, you had Josh Album. But Carson Strong suffered
a massive knee injury as a senior in high school.

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If you ever watched Carson Strong, he wears a brace.
I believe it's on his leftknee. Back in October, I
had reported that there was a lot of concern about
this knee injury, and a couple of scenarios were laid
out to me in the sense that it could be nothing.
It could be a situation where he needs major surgery
and misses the entire part most of the season, or

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it could be a situation where he has to have
cadaver surgery and he and he missed to fix the
knee and he misses the entire year. I've not gotten
any confirmation on exactly what it was, but the fact
that Carson Strong just fell out of the draft completely
tells me that the stories I was writing back in
October excuse me as I scratched my eye at Pro

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Football Network leads me to believe it was absolutely medical
and it and it was that left knee that kind
of pushed him out of draft, because you're right, I
mean he was hit and missed at the Senior Bowl.
He was hit and miss really the past year and
eight two seasons at Nevada, primarily because of the offense.
That pistol offense that they implemented really never developed them
as a passer. But still with a guy that that's

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with that size, with that tremendous arm talent, with the
ability to run the vertical game, for him to fall
out of the draft had to be a medical issue.
But let's talk about some of the running backs that fell.
I was very surprised that Isaiah Spiller fell as deep
as he did, and he was, what the fifth running
back that was selected, six running back that was selected,

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seventh running back that was sucked. I'm looking my board here.
I'm sorry, I'm going down the listed seventh running backs
like like that to me was very surprising. No, definitely.
I mean, he was a guy who I had as
my RB three him Breeze Hall and Kenneth Walker, and
those guys win in the orders which I had it,
but Spiller went behind both of those guys, and that

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was definitely very intriguing. Now, is it a testing thing?
You know, he had a pro day at Texas and
then he didn't test as well ran in the four sixes.
I think people thought he'd be a little bit more
explosive than that. But when you watch him on film,
I thought he ran strong. I thought it was a
good pass catcher out in the backfield, because the guy
that can't stand in there and block on third downs
in past protection and do that well, so to see

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as many guys go before him, I was very surprised
by including, like, you know, the forty nineris who I cover.
You know, having a guy like Tyran Davis's price go
before him, that was something that I never saw for
Sea coming. I wouldn't have either, and I agree with
that a thousand percent with you, and I also agree
you know what he runs. He ran a four six
three for the forty pro day. He plays a lot
faster and that initial quickness, that initial footwork, the ability

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to make defenders missed, the ability to see the whole.
I think they got a major steal with the pick
one Isaiah Spiller. We go to the tight end position.
There were no real surprises at the tight end position,
except for the fact that, in my opinion, the Baltimore
Ravens they selected Charlie Colos Charlie Colar and Isaiah Likely

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in the fourth round. I think those are both outstanding selections.
My holy question is where are the Baltimore Ravens gonna
put him? I mean, they they're strong and tight end,
and then they come in and they draft these two guys.
They're great picks. I just don't see room on the
depth chart for him. Well, I see Isaiah Likely as
a guy who can probably step in and have some
sort of role. He's definitely a terrific move tight end.

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UH flex him out there. I think the four any
time is the owning that job come down to even
the fourth round if he would have ran better, Because
to go fourth round with as poorly as he ran,
I think that's a win for him. That that speaks
to how highly I think teams view him as UH
an athletic tight end. So if he would have just
even ran better, I don't think he'd beat there in

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the fourth round. Four Baltimore. I think this was a
guy that could have tentional he went late second round
or early third round or Yeah, Trey McBride, you was
the first UH tight in off the board going the
Arizona Cardinals that pick twenty three in the second round,
And even that pick was a little curious because we
haven't seen Arizona really use a tight end as a
focal point of their office. So you know they brought

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in zach Ertz last season. We'll see how they transition
to having a guy like Trim mc bran and how
they use them. Is it more of a run thing.
Do they want to get more uh more of that
power element to their game and move guys and say,
all right, we don't want to have to spread it
out and run eleven personnel or even like a you know,
no ten personnel with no tight ends out there. We

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want to run the ball a little bit more and
maybe take a little bit of pressure off of their
young quarterback Cattermary, because I felt like they put a
lot on his plate. Maybe mcbrider could help with there
as a pass catcher. I think there's a little bit
more in them as well. I remember George Killer coming
out he ran in the low four or five and
people were like, well, who's this explosive guy. We didn't
see this at ol Stay, but then you using in

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the film four and ours utilized that. I think the
Bribe who ran in the low four or five as well.
He's a guy who can definitely have his speed to
maybe developed a little bit more as a run after
kiss guy at the time position. Yeah, I completely agree
with you about Isaiah Likely he ran like a four
eight at this protect, but he please much faster. I mean,
this guy is you know, he's one of those guys
at his football fest, not forty fest. And you watch
the film the past two years and he's a guy

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that gets into the secondary and beats safeties down the
field for deep deep passes every single game, you know,
every single series. He can do that and it's his
football speed is a parent I looked up while you
were talking. Mark Andrews and Nick Boyle, the starting UH
safety at the starting tight ends broils contract ends at
two thousand twenty three. The Baltimore Ravens have an out

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or online. Today, UH, we go to the receiver position.
I think the big topic of conversation at the receiver position,
which we touched on with John in our draft preview,
is Justin Ross falling out of the entire draft and
Justin Ross not being selected. What did you think about that.

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I think a lot of people were surprised by that.
I was surprised in the sense of him falling all
the way out. But if you were to tell me
he was a fifth round pick, where I think of
people thought he wuld probably even got higher than that.
I didn't see it. I didn't see the short area separation.
I didn't see the vertical separation. I didn't see any
route creativity with him. I think he was a guy
who you had to throw more contested passes too. I

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wasn't sure if it was him more so than maybe
the offense or with the lack of consistency at the
quarterback position. Did that hurt him? Maybe he hasn't been
fully recovered from the UH spinal fusion injury. I did
see a report that said he was playing with some
type of foot injury that made him mistery games. So
maybe that was kind of the lack of explosiveness that

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I didn't see from him. I thought I was gonna
see more from watching the film. I think the teams
there could be the injury part of it, but also
could be what they saw in film as well. I
wonder how much did they take into account the foot
injury throughout the year. Yeah, I I mean, as we
said before, when you watch Justin Ross in two thousand
twenty one, he looked like a fraction of himself, a

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fraction of the receiver that he was in two thousand
nineteen when he was making big play after big play
with Trevor Laure and throwing the ball to him. Last year,
he had a lot of uncharacteristic drops. Passes that he
would usually snatch out of the air were slipping through
his hands. He looked slow, He looks sluggish. Had the
neck injury, had the foot injury last year, had some
injuries which dragged on him. So I think it's a combination.

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And I think he ran the four sixes during his
pro day, so I think it's a combination of the injuries.
Have beaten this guy down and he really didn't look
like a very good football player in two thousands twenty one. Unfortunately,
hopefully somehow, I mean he signed as an undrafted free agent.
He's able to get it back because and he's able
to get his game back to where it was in

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two thousand nineteen. Has he signed yet? Because I was
looking last night and not is he that he signed
to anywhere? I saw him kind of trending with the Ravens,
but I didn't see that, and I don't think that's
the best scenario for a receiver trying to find his
way and be like a legit pass catcher. And I
don't think anybody you're really talking about that the receivers

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at Baltimore A lot of people blaming on their receivers.
When are they gonna start maybe pletting on the offense
a little bit? Maybe? Is there something with the quarterback
where guys aren't being as productive. That's a whole another thing.
But have you seen anything about where he potentially might go,
because that can really hurt or help him throughout this process. Yeah,
I am looking at it right here. I don't see

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anything real quick that he has signed yet. I mean
if he hasn't signed, that means he's a medical reject.
That's exactly what it means. I may have uh spoken before,
I should have done the uh my research here, but
I don't see where he has signed yet. It will
be interesting to see. I mean, the telltale sign is
after all the undrafted free agent signed. What happens is

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they usually have like a invitational camp try out where
they will invite some guys in to try out and
then potentially signed them to an undrafted free agent contract.
If he's not even invited to something like that, and yeah,
it's even before rookie manic camp, it's like you try.
If he doesn't sign it an undrafted free agent cont
he's not invited to one of those trial camps, that

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means he's a medical reject. That's That's what that means.
Some of the other receivers who were not selected, which
I was surprised Kevin Austin Junior of noted game Reggie
Roberts of SMU, even though he has had some you know,
medical issues the past two years, including knee issues. Explosive receiver.
He went from a man who was twenty one yards

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per reception to eleven yards per reception, and I was
curiousy was it the offense or what. But his counterpart
Danny Gray actually was drafted by the forty nine. I
still think Robertson was kind of the better receiver. He
was a better downfield receiver. And if you go back
really two thousand nineteen, early part of two thousand twenty,

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I'm sorry, two thousand eighteen, early party, two thousand nineteen
before the injury set in. I mean, he looked like
a Day two pick Reggie Robers but like Justin Ross,
injury setting injury set him back. I was slightly surprised
that Trade Turner wasn't selected in the draft, although he
really didn't uh really didn't impress me during the senior ball.
He did too much body catching. You mentioned Danny Gray,

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and Danny Gray went earlier, I mean to the to
the niners uh uh Khalil Shaquire going up a little
bit later. I think anybody else from the uh, one
last thing and I'll throw with you. I was very
happy to see Samari Torre gets selected late in the draft.
I think that's an excellent pick. He's well deserving of
a dress selection. Should have got invited to the combine.
As I said, you watched him at Montana, he was

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a terrific whiteout, had a decent career in Nebraska, even
though the quarterback situation wasn't very good there. Then he
had a terrific prodec anything else from the receiver position
catch your eye. Yeah, I think Ty Out of Indiana.
I thought he was a guy that could potentially at
least being you know, fifth or sixth round pick, or

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you know, even seventh round pick. But was he if
he's kind of a priority undrafted free agent signing. But
I think that was the one guy where I was
a little surprised that he didn't get a little bit
more lest Yeah, I mean if I Fried Foggle ran
faster than anybody expected at the combine because when you
watch him, he kind of fits that mold of the
bigger body went out for the contested throw type of
guy that lacks quickness. I thought that after his combine

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for the time he had a chance to be selected. Yes,
not moved through the offensive line A couple that weren't
really too many surprises, except for Cole Strange going as
early as again we spoke about that. Kellen Diche of
Arizona State not being selected. Gary Rosenthal from Kentucky not
being selected. I know the records, some character issues. Dar

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Rosenthal is a offensive tackle. He is a left tackle
Kentucky last year started his career at the l S
U played for Kentucky for two seasons. Showed some flashes,
incredibly athletic, I mean, but it's not He's not consistent
with his fundamentals. He's got a lot of inconsistency in
his game. And then there were some character issues which

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I think uh pushed him out of the draft, obeing
the ease of TCU by way of Memphis, the big,
sturdy left tackle who projects the right tackle. He was
not selected, which was kind of a surprise. Otherwise, there
was really not too much that uh that surprised me.
How on the offensive line? How about you? Ever, I
think the biggest one for me was there are a

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couple of guys that we spoke about one Donald the
West Uh, the Interior Office alignment out of Arizona State.
You predicted it. There are a lot of people that
I were saying third round pig uh, you know, maybe
early day day three, and you were like what you
saw in film? And I always said this. I told
someone Before Night people. I said, listen to tell you,
boy said, but he's thinking is more of an undrafted

(23:38):
guy that you said that that's where he felt like
he should go, and he didn't go. Undrafted Before Night
eventually ended up um bring him in as a priority
undrafted free agent. Also Poe. That was another guy we
talked about, Adam Mercer and a little under the radar
more out of that let a guy but really short stature.
Another guy for you niners end up getting clearly for
not trying to boast the interior of their officer in line.

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But that another guy we spoke about on this show
as well. But when undrafted, and I know there were
some people that were kind of high on him as well.
I was curiousteed just the amount of Interior office alignment
that we're drafted. I'm counting here right now, seven seven
Interior office alignment drafted this entire class. Now that doesn't
mean that there weren't tackles that will convert to being

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interior office alignment, but just pure guards that were drafted.
We have seven of them, two of them which were
taken in the first round. Only really what is this
two for six No? Six six Interior Office alignment drafted
and two in the first round, and then there were
a few one one day two, and then three more

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day three. But that might discourage me from wanting to
be ah an Interior office alignment. If I'm a guy,
you know, with aspirations and playing in the NFL, well,
I think, like you said, you know a lot of
these tackles projected it to guard or even center. Zack
Tom of wake Forest, who was a left tackle for
the Demon Deagans, he projects the guard center Gary and

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Kannard Uh the big right tackle from Kentucky. Everybody thinks
he's gonna be a guard and sailor the terrific left
tackle for Georgia, he also projects to guards. So I
think you'll see a lot of that. Yeah, I think
Poe has got a bit of a future. In fact,
I'll say Poe has got a better NFL future than
West of Arizona State, because as very athletic, I don't

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people saw a few highlights of them saw us. Actually
what happened was people saw us prote numbers and then
they ran to YouTube and they saw the highlights and
were like watching this three pounds I move around the field,
but as we spoke about, and you you mentioned it
doesn't bend his knees. He doesn't bend his knees and
learn the block with leverage. He's not gonna play on Sunday.
West didn't surprise me at all, because, like I said,

(25:45):
I mean, he was a small, marginally outletic guy who
rarely finished his blocks and would more often than not
fall off defenders rather than finish finished defenders. And you
can't you can't do that in the NFL when you're
a small guy, because you can just gonna get rag
doll in the middle of the line. And for for
those of everyone out there who hasn't seen it, there
are there are these videos on social media floating around

(26:07):
of Poe actually running routes and he looks as fluid
of a route runner and pass catcher of any big
guy I've ever seen in my life. Is one of
the more impressive things I've seen. He looks quick, he's
I mean, he's like running legit angle routes, flare routs
out the back field. So I don't know if he
was maybe saying, you know what, maybe a team wants
me to play fullback and he's just be a jumbo

(26:30):
fullback type guy. But after watching that, he definitely has
that type of versatility and if anyone is gonna figure
out maybe a different way to use him, it's the
forty Niners and Kyle Shanahan with a lot of the
things that he likes to do. We talked about not
really being being able to bund his knees a whole
lot on the office the line. Maybe if he's running
routes out of the backfield or blocking guy's been the
lead block, or he doesn't have to play with as

(26:50):
much lever as he would on the office line. Yeah,
and again, you know it's with with with a guy
like Poe who played for Mercer, It's all about NFL coaching,
NFL development. We'll see where it goes. A defensive line,
defensive end, defensive tackle, I'll just combine to uh edge
rusher if you like. Aren't really too many surprises as
far as I was concerned, as as as it can

(27:12):
continued as the conversation goes with players who weren't selected.
Chris Hinton, the big defensive tackle from Michigan, wasn't selected.
There may be an injury issue there. Trey Williams, an
edge player, from Arkansas who I like, was not selected,
although I think when he couldn't break five seconds in
the forty at the combine that really did him in.

(27:33):
Haskell Garrett, I was a little bit surprised, a little
bit disappointed. Would have liked to see and he be
selecting a draft. But Haskell Garrett to guy who's small,
didn't have a good year at Ohio State, kind of
played uninspired football. Two guys that were selected later on
that I was very happy to see UH get their chance. First.
Sam Roberts of Northwestern Missouri State, who has been a
good player for a couple of years, six four and

(27:55):
a half, two and eighty seven pounds. He's a guy
that if he's strong enough, if you can use him
as a two gap in and a three man front.
I see him Moore as a three technique tackle. Very
explosive office that very explosive up the field. Excuse me.
And Daniel Hardy of Montana State slipped into the very
late part of the draft. Daniel Hardy had sixteen sacks

(28:17):
and twenty four tackles for loss. He's an undersized college
defensive end that is primarily used up at the line
of Scrimmage's gonna have to stand over tackle in the
NFL if he wants to make it more than anything else.
He's gonna have to prove his work on special teams
to have a future on Sunday. But it was good
to see these small guys. Uh, these guys from small schools.

(28:38):
Not small guys, Roberts two in. These guys from small
schools get their get their chance. Anything catch your eye
on the defensive line, Veric, Yeah, I think with the
edge class all right one Sanders he went, he went,
I think fairly high for some of the fluctuation with
his weight, still having the you know, really developed as
a pass rusher. I think he has a high motor

(28:59):
and can work to around corners, but it's gonna add
that necessary strength to maybe be a three down, uh
for three defensive event or maybe he's gonna be more
of a three or four outside linebacker, or can he
be an off ball type guy as a sandbacker but
can still rush the passer. And in D'Angel Malone, both
of those guys going in the second third round, excuse me,

(29:20):
I think that was pretty good for dangel and Malone.
I wasn't as high on him as I feel like
a lot of well one the NFL who drafted on
third round, and I think a lot of the media
which really like dangel and Malone and what he brings.
I think he's definitely an explosive player, but I think
we talked about him as potentially a four or three
off off off the ball type guy who can rush
the passer if heed be almost like we saw from

(29:42):
make A Parsons who had to be a pass prusher
in a pinch when they had some injuries, said some
of the other Dallas Cowboys defensive events. I think Malone
would driving that type of role. But to see him
go as high as he did to the Atlanta Falcons,
that was a little bit surprised. You're interesting to see,
especially since uh the Falcons took uh even at day
of Penn State they in the round there earlier. They

(30:04):
went very hard in that defensive seven with Ebaget k
Troy Anderson as well as the Angelo Malone is gonna
be interesting to see how they use Malone. I know
they signed Lorenzo Carter from the New York Giants and
free agency Carter has always been a disappointment. There's been
some questions as to how much he loves football back
in his homestead of Georgia where he played the college football.

(30:26):
I think there's an opportunity there for Malone. Let's go
to the linebacker spot, and I think, Uh, the big
surprise here is nw Kobe Dean, who we spoke about
a couple of times, a potential first late first round choice.
Everybody thinks early second round. He falls all the way
into the third round, which and the Philadelphia Eagles swipe

(30:50):
him off. Now, what can I tell you about naw
Kobe Dean, Well, what we already know is that he's
five eleven and change six pounds. He never worked out
before the Combine, I'm sorry, before the draft because of
an ankle injury he reportedly sustained during that National title game.
I know that there was talk as to whether or
not he was gonna work out before the draft. I

(31:10):
was told that teams really weren't requesting that he was
going to asking him the workout. There's concerns that he
was a two down player who's more of a one defender,
running chase player. You couldn't leave him on the field
and coverage because of the fact that at five eleven
and a half. He's just gonna be overmatched by those
six three six ft four tight ends. I will tell

(31:31):
you this, there was a word out there that he
may have had a knee injury that kind of uh
you know that NFL teams knew about, which would push
him later in the draft. In fact, the person who
told me you had the knee injury also told me
a month before the draft that he wouldn't go into
the third round, which I thought was crazy at the time,

(31:52):
turned out to be true. Yeah, the injury is definitely
hampered his draft stock, and I think there are a
lot of people that are watching like where is he
going to go? And I thing for him. He went
to a pretty good situation being able to play with
the Philadeffie Eagles, the mindset that they have what they
did to beef that and tire of their defensive line
as well, going with our young guy Jordan Davis out

(32:14):
of Georgia, so having a guy like him and be
able to play behind him again and kind of maybe
free him up with some run lanes to go next
to Fletcher Cox as well. I think that was a
good spot, Like if you were gonna fall at least
fall into a situation like that where you're in potential
to be set up for success. Yeah, there was another
uh sterling, another great move by the Eagles. We saw
a couple of outstanding moves by that franchise throughout the

(32:37):
throughout the three days of the draft. Another guy who
wasn't selected to Kobe McClain. I'm told that he has
medical injuries more of a can generally effect, if you will,
which kind of caught the people by surprise. Was disappointed
that Josh Ross of Michigan did not get selected. I
know he's not the fastest guy in the world, but
Josh Ross is a real outstanding football player. If we

(32:57):
go to the secondary, we go to the cornerbacks in
the safeties. I think the biggest surprises that Mario Goodrich
was not drafted. Marie Goodrich came into the season, was
ignored by scouts, was not graded by scouts, had a
terrific campaign, ran in the four fives. UH during his
workouts really look good last year. When a guy like

(33:19):
Mario good Rich is not drafted, it means very likely
that there's an injury. Could because some character concerns, but
I'm sure if there were character concerns I'd know about
it by an hour to be out there. That was
very surprising when you look down the list. Kobe Bryant
going a little bit later, Trek Wolan, who didn't go
to what the fifth round? And we've talked about him here,

(33:40):
and you've been a big critic when everyone sworn it
forewning over Tarrek Wol and you said, hey, listen, this
guy's to all this guy's super fast, this guy's athletic,
but he's stiff, he's tight, and just doesn't project all
that well to the next level. All right, And I'm
curious to see if the team might say, you know what,
he has a link, he has athletics, or maybe we
should try on Matt safety now to think about that

(34:00):
is And and you know, I watched a few games
of him, the games I can get my hands on.
He had an issue with tackling, and one game, i'd
say even in one half, he missed about three or
four tackles and one resulting in a huge game. So
if he is gonna make that transition, which I think
he projects, I think he could play outside. He's gonna
have to learn to play with more anticipation. But he

(34:21):
also has to continue to get better with his tackling
and aggressiveness as well. I think you've got a couple
of guys that went undrafted that set out to me.
Vincent Gray cornerback out of Michigan. That was a guy
I watched and he didn't test very well. But I
thought the coverage schools was there. I thought him, you know,
competing and being competitive at the catch point where receivers
was there. His ability to run vertically with routes that

(34:43):
was there. He has a size, I think he was
fluid enough, but he goes undrafted. That was one that
was a little shocking. And then there was one other
guy that was kind of surprised. Chris Steel cornerback out
of USC. He's another guy than Jeremy and Waller. Jeremy
Waller was another guy who did not test well. He
ran very slow, but when you watch the film, you
watch him playoff. I think he does a good job

(35:04):
with some technical things with his feet. I'm curious to
see where he lands. I haven't looked to see if
he's been picked up, but he's a guy who I
would expect to be able to make the team. The
tough thing at a cornerback position. If you aren't drafted high,
you have to come in and excel on special teams,
and if you lack athleticism, it's hard to be good

(35:26):
on special teams and not be a guy who runs
very well. So that's some of the uphill battles that
some of these guys are gonna face. That's an uphill
battle that I faced as well. Vern McKinley another guy
to safety from mal ARCon who was a terrific player
but couldn't break four six five and either combine of
pro day workouts fell out of the draft. Again, you're
you're looking at a guy that's just the physical limitations

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is a real good football player, some of the guys
that were taking some of the lower graded players. That
surprised me. They were selected first to Ron Bland of
Fresno State. I've watched Ron Bland. We've got to scattering
report on Duran Bland at Pro Football Network. He's a

(37:32):
taller guy, he's flash skilled, but I don't know that
he did. You know he was good enough to be
drafted where the Cowboys selected him with pick one sixty seven.
Christian Benford of Villanova was the hundred eighty five heck
of the draft. He is a big, physical corner, a pressman,
press man best and press coverage. Uh, fluid flipping his hips.

(37:54):
It's got to do a better job getting his head
back around to locate the past. I was surprised. I
was pleased. We surprised to see that Benford got selected.
Did have a good Pro Day workout. He's got some upside.
I mean, he's one of those guys that could, surprising camp,
could make a roster as a ninth defensive act as
well as play special teams. Let's let's talk about one

(38:15):
or two teams that you thought had an outstanding draft. Uh,
definitely Houston Texans. When you look at what Houston did.
I was very excited by this. I think they legitimately
got four guys that could come in day one and start,
and not just because the Houston Texans. I think it's
because these are guys that the positions that they're playing.
I think it transitions well along with kind of where

(38:38):
they're drafted. So obviously Derek stein Lew Jr. He's gonna
be a plug and play guy day one. It helped
that they had two first round pigs because they circle
back around and got Green. He's gonna play in the
interior office, Lion Kenyan Green. Uh. I think he's gonna
start as well. And then these next two guys, Jalen Petrie, right,
people are really high on him. They lost Justin Reed.

(38:58):
They're gonna have to feel that boy on the back end.
Can Petre be a two high guy? Can he be
a single high guy? I'm not sure, but as a
flexible piece and maybe transitioned into being doing a little
bit more of everything. I think he can be that guy.
I like him coming off the edge. Kind reminds me
of a little Jamal Adams. Now he's not the prospect
Jamal Adams was, but just In the sense of how

(39:19):
Jamal Adams usages at the NFL level, coming off the
edge on blitzes in the run game, the pursuit from
the backside, doing those things. I think Petre excels at that.
And then the next guy that can come in and
play for them right away is John Metchi, receiver out
of Alabama. Now he's coming off with an injury, but
this is a team that need a lot of help
after receiver position. They have Brandon Cooks, they just brought

(39:40):
him back for a couple of years, and outside of him,
it's a little bit less than ideal at the receiver
position to have a couple of younger guys, but I
don't know if they're gonna be able to hold off
John Metchi. So again, this is a team that right
away got four guys and that Harris as a linebacker,
and then they got Pierced as a running back. I
think Pierce are gonna come in and play as well.
So I really love what they Dude, I think they
got guys that are gonna come in and contribute right away.

(40:03):
I give them credit for rolling the dice on Derek Stingley.
We talked about him here several times I mean the
two thousand nineteen film is just intoxicating. It draws you
win and when you watch it, just the exceptional ball skills, uh,
the the almost he knows when the ball is coming
in his way, he gets his head back around and
positions himself. I also love the selection of Christian Harris

(40:25):
in round three. He's not a big bulitz guy. He's
not a big flash play guy. But if you want
somebody to, you know, to play discipline, to Simon football,
to cover a lot of area, to go sideline to sideline,
he's your guy. I think this was a major steal
in the third round as far as I'm concerned. You know,
you gotta look at the New York Jets, and I
know the Jets always win in April and it always

(40:47):
looks good on paper. But as far as I'm concerned,
the Jets got the top cornerback in the draft in
the Mod Gardener. They got the top receiver in the
draft and Garrett Wilson. They come back in day two,
they get in the top running back in the draft
and Greece Hall. They move up. In round one they
get an outstanding pass rusher and Jermaine Johnson, who they
were thinking about taking with that tent selection and then
they get a real good future tight end and Jeremy

(41:09):
ruckerd I mean, this has the ability to be a
transformational drift for the New York Jets. But again everything
will be as I said earlier, everything is gonna be
tied end to the development or black the row of
Zack Wilson. So again it looks great on paper for
the New York Jets, but as Robert Salis said yesterday,
to which credit, you're not gonna know for two or

(41:31):
three years while everyone's doing backflips and popping champagne for
the New York Jets. A lot of people who talked
about the New York Jets and since of the office line,
and maybe that was something that they would addressed in
the top ten. They didn't take any office alignment until
they took Max Mitchell out of Louisiana in the fourth round.
And that was the guy I wasn't very high on.
You put on the applasta state film and how they
were able to beat him every which way. Where there's

(41:54):
with speed, where it was with power, he lived uncomfortable.
He followed that up with um a game against the
Texas long orangs, where again you saw some of those
same instants inconsistencies. So Max Mitchell, I know there are
people are high on him and some of the movement
skills that he possesses, I'm a little bit more questionable.
And I am even more questionable of them not addressing

(42:14):
the officing line until that picked. But they could just say, hey,
you know, we have some injuries along the offensive line.
We still like Beckton the way to bring the world.
Reports coming out that they were willing to move off
of Beckton. I don't know how true that is, but
if they just believe that they just need to get
healthy at the office line and that's gonna help their
young quarterback cool. I think they did a solid job

(42:35):
in this draft of kind of building some things around
their needs. Still needs some more consistency or McGovern needs
to show that he can be consistent, etcetera. Back to
Max Mitchell. Max Mitchell had a terrific two thousand twenty season.
Off the two thousand twenty film, there were there was
reason to be excited for Max Mitchell. Didn't play up
to expectations, fell below expectations. I think with Max Mitchell, uh,

(42:56):
you know, they're looking at a developmental type of guy.
What was with George Fantis is the last year of
his contract. What happens with Micky Beckton? Is he gonna
stay in shape as he's working out now or is
it gonna be a situation where you know, he's putting
a paint on the house that's crumbling on the interior. Uh.
Two last things, I think we've got to talk about
the Philadelphia Eagles since we are in New York jihnants

(43:17):
dot com. This is one of their division rivals. I
thought Philadelphia was masterful. I mean, I know that a
lot of Giant fans hate hate, will hate me to
say this, but they move up and they steal Jordan
Davis away from the Houston Texans, and Jordan Davis will
just help solidify and emboldened the that interior defensive line.

(43:38):
Maybe he's not a pass rusher, but what Jordan Davids
Or maybe he's not an elite pass rusher because I
think he can rush the passer, But what Jordan Davids
will do is he'll occupy blockers and set up a
lot of blitzes. They make that trade for a j
Brown and then they give him a four year contract
for a hundred million dollars. Although Cam Jurgens was an
exceptional pick in the second round, we talked about the

(44:00):
Kobe Dean later on they got They get Grant calca Tera,
the very productive, very outstanding past catching tight end who
came to SMU last year by way of Oklahoma. Fits
the Eagles mold, but he's had issues with concussions, which
is originally why he retired from football before coming back.
They take a roll of the dice on him in

(44:21):
the sixth round. What did you think about the Eagles,
Eric Neverely, I liked a lot of what they did,
as you said. I mean, I think you win right
away with just going out and getting Davis and then
circling back around and trading for a guy like a J. Brown,
and the only trading for a J. Brown, And you said,
giving him the contract fifty seven million dollars guaranteed. I
don't think that's a huge commitment to receiver when you've

(44:43):
seen a lot of these other guys getting seventy plus
million dollars guaranteed in their contracts. So that was a
good job by them. I want to talk a little
bit about someone with the New York Giants did, and
I know there are a lot of New York Giants
fans here obviously, going with Cavon Thibodeaux and Evan Neil
to kind of solidify that they needed pass rusher when
they needed someone to to protect the passer. So they
got those two things right away. Going with Wandelle Robinson

(45:04):
that was curious and I know there are the reports
coming up they're willing to trade to Darius Tony or
he requested the trade, so they move off with him.
Wandell Robinson, twitch up, jitterbug type guy that can give
you some similar type production, ask Darius Tony. I really
like that. Third round they got Cordell Flat. I was
high on him, and he's a little slim, but he's
the guy who can play inside. He is tough playing

(45:26):
that slot, won't have an issue with that. Cover skills
as a man guy are good. I think he anstinctly
kind of failed into that role that's going on that
l s U two W. I don't know if he
reached his full potential, but definitely a movement skilled guy
who again he's slight built, hundred seventy eight pounds or so.
It's not very big, but he plays a little bit
more physical that and I think he has high upside

(45:48):
as a covers guy. And then I like what they
did with Beaver's right going Darry Beaver's linebacker round at Cincinnati.
We we talked about him a little bit. I don't
know if he's just gonna be this off ball guy,
but if he can be a four three outside backer
kind of sandbacker and do some things as the past
rusher as well, I think he has out of value
doing that already, can back up at middle linebacker because

(46:08):
Darren Bavers is a really tough, punching amount type of
linebacker that that really gives up against the run. I
thought that was an exceptional pick in the third round.
Completely agree with you on Flot. I mean, Flat's got
nickelback written all over them at the very least time
back when you watch Flot, very effective facing the action,
terrific ball skills. I like both of the offense. Everyone

(46:28):
talks about every new They grabbed both guards out of
North Carolina, Josh is Zudo and later on Marcus McKeithen,
and I tweeted out for when they selected Marcus McKeithen
in the fifth round. You know, if you are looking
for a nasty, powerful offensive lineman that just annihilates the
opposition at the point of attack off the snap of

(46:50):
the ball. That is McKeithen. They're kind of contrary styles.
Is Zudo is more the zone blocking type of lineman
with a high upside. Also seen some action ut left tackle.
McKeithen is more your small area, you know, tough guy
who I absolutely love. Daniel Bellinger. You know, some scouts
thought third round Daniel Bellinger. He's a nice tight end.

(47:12):
I didn't see the allure in um. I know he
ran four six three at the combine. He catches the
ball well, but he's not very effective more than six
or seven yards off a line of scrimmage. He shows
good initial blocking strength, but he tends to fall off
his blox. Maybe there's the upside there later on. Dane
Belton is a real good explosive box or downhill safety

(47:34):
from Iowa, sort of that hybrid outside linebacker safety type.
Don't know that he's like flat, he can't. He's not.
His ball skills are not as good. You're not gonna
line him up over the slot receiver. But he's more
your strong safety type. Uh where flat is your nickelback,
defense back, even a free safety with flat and I
also liked the pick of J. D. Davidson in the
fifth round by the New York gihnts. This is a

(47:55):
good value pick. Davidson is one of those short he's
not short, one of those squatty hype defensive tackles, very athletic,
very quick, very smart, obstantly around the ball. So while
everyone was talking and throwing praise on the New York Jets,
I thought the Giants did a real good job too.
They got two immediate starters. At the top of the draft.
You got another guy and when Dale Robinson, who is

(48:17):
just a fun guy to watch because, as you said,
he's sort of that smaller jitterbug type guy. The thing
about Robinson when you watch him is watch how quick
he is when he catches the ball, turning it up
You watch that initial first It reminds me of Ron
del Moore, the way he's able to turn it up
field and immediately get that first step on the defenders
creating after the catch. Also gonna help as a return specialist.

(48:38):
And what do you think about I think there's gonna
be a lot of questions from the New York Giants
fans about them not going quarterback at all in these
class and they had several opportunities to maybe get a
guy like Malie Willis, who I know the fans were
kind of clamoring for a guy like even in the
top ten. So then that's not to go top ten. Fine,
but they didn't go second round or third round quarterback either.
A lot of people have a lot of questions about

(48:59):
Daniel Jones and the future of him. I know they
brought the entirod Taylor. I thought that was insurance for
Jones and if it doesn't work out, the no go
quarterback next next year. But what did you think about
the decision to say, you know what, we're gonna just
ignore the quarterback position altogether. Surprised. I thought they could
take a quarterback in round two, all the quarterbacks slid
and then they passed the quarterbacks up in round three.

(49:21):
I would agree with you. I mean, I was surprised.
I guess you know, you gotta read into it that
they have a lot of confidence in Daniel Jones. I
thought it would be good insurance just to grab one
of those quarterbacks for the future and put in this
new regime puts their stamp on that new guy in
case Daniel Jones does not pan out. Daniel Jones is,
you know, not live up the expectations as he hasn't

(49:42):
the past couple of years. But I was very very surprised,
as I guess you were. But the Giants not addressed quarterback,
especially in the third round when they had the opportunity
multiple picks and those qb still on the board. Yeah,
I'm trying to see where Malik Willison was drafted. Yeah,
so they had two shots at Malik Willis in the
third round and elected not to go with that. That

(50:04):
that is surprising. Uh. And granted, what you're gonna have
to do now is you're gonna have to see, you know,
you're gonna have to compare the career of Leek Willis
to Josh easy Is Zudo of North Carolina and Cordell
Flat And if Malik Willis turns out to be a
real good NFL quarterback, it's gonna be a would have
could have shugar, which always happens in the NFL draft.

(50:27):
Any final thoughts on the two thousand twenty two draft, Derek,
as we move forward to two thousand twenty three, No, no,
No new thoughts, but I'm curious to see. Okay, I
do have a thought on the two thousand three real quick.
A lot of people they talk about this quarterback class
that's coming up, and it's like, hey, you can pass
on these quarterbacks now because the next year's group is

(50:47):
so good and we will see. We heard a lot
about this class coming in. There are people that are
really Highland Spencer Rattler, Keith and Slova's guys like uh
Sam Howe who didn't go high but those were guys
that before I bet if you look at mark draft
for a two twenty two that started at this time
last year, those guys are going in the top ten. Now.

(51:09):
Two of them had to stay in college. Another guy
didn't go until maybe fifth round drafted the Commanders or
wherever Sam Howe went. And the guys that are kind
of carrying the next year's class is c J. Stroud
and Bryce Bryce Young And are they going to take
that next step because a lot of times when you
start to critique these guys a little bit more and

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nippick at their game, there's sometimes guys fall down a
little bit. So that next year's class I'm interested to
see do the guys end up living up to the
kind of hybrid how people view them because a lot
of people are holding out on those two guys, and
after that, I think there's a little bit of a
drop off, and I'm curious he is there's somebody that
kind of really steps up. I believe they agree with you.
I mean, if you're bypassing quarterbacks in this year's draft

(51:53):
because you think you're gonna get one of the next
year's class, that's idiot. Seat that doesn't go on in
the world room that the Giants are not saying and listen,
we're gonna asked on Leak Wills because we'll get our
quarterback next year. Well, if you get your quarterback next year,
you're gonna have the drafted in the top five, which
means you've already given up on the two thousand, twenty
two seasons. That hasn't happened. One quick word on c J. Stroud.
I know people are falling in love with him. Follow

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the Ohio State uh program very closely. C J. Stroud
had a phenomenal Rose Bowl A game, but he struggled
really during the early part of the season, where Bryce
Young was great throughout the campaign. So you know the
last time I remember a guy having a great Rose
Bowl game and everybody pushing him to the top of
the draft boards. There you go, Sam not against Theuff

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and State, which is one of the best Rose Bowl
games in recent history, and we saw how that turned out.
So you can't be passing up draft picks today because
you're gonna draft those guys tomorrow. So Eric, it's been fun,
Gotta check out the Please for all of yours. Check
out the entire draft season on giants dot com on
all your favorite podcast forms. For Eric Cracker, I'm Tony Pauline.

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