May 2, 2025 • 25 mins
On this episode of the Giants Huddle podcast, John Schmeelk chats with former NFL Quarterback, Chase Daniel, about the play of Jaxson Dart at Ole Miss, how he can transfer those skills to the NFL, and the best ways for him to develop in his rookie season.
:00 - NFL QB characteristics
4:00 - Ole Miss offense
9:23 - QB progressions
17:30 - QB developmental process
21:00 - Playing with Wilson and Winston
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
I am John Schmoll. Thank you so much for being
with us today.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Good guest, very excited about this first time he's come
on The Giants Little Podcast, and we're thrilled to have him.
Former NFL quarterback, a thirteen year starter and backup in
the National Football League, Chase Daniel. And now we welcome
in longtime NFL quarterback in the league for thirteen years,
Chase Daniel.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Chase, what's going on? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
How's it going? Appreciate you having me, man.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Hey, I'm really excited to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
You can find Chase on Scoop City, the podcast for
the athletic. You can also find them on the Facility
on Fox Sports one. How are you enjoying a football
media life?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Man, It's been good, you know, it's definitely a different change.
Was what I was used to for fourteen years or
eighteen years or how many However, many years I played
football right like, I always had an eye out and
I always respected what everyone did that covered the sport
because you know, we're taught as players. Hey hate the media.
Hate the media like they're just and it's just completely
opposite of that. You guys have a job to do.
(01:09):
We have a job to do, and without the media,
the sport doesn't get us coverage it deserves. So I
did some stuff, you know, while I was playing, and
I felt like a I either wanted to coach, which
I've had offers to coach, but my wife would divorce me.
And that's that's probably a very true statement. Or it
was like going to media. So like I always knew
(01:30):
I want to do something football. The media stuff has
been great. I mean, to get on a Fox Sports
show and then to be with Diana Verssini and then
the YouTube channel. It's just been ever evolving and we're
just continuing to grow. Man.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, you can find Chase on Twitter. He puts a
lot of great stuff up on Twitter as well, like
as Jackson darp Breakdown's up there right now from I
believe last Thursday night or maybe last Friday. That's up there,
and you cant check out his YouTube channel as well.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
All right, Chase, let's start real basics.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
When as a former NFL quarterback, when you first put
on the college tape of a draft prospect that plays
the position, what are the first few things you look
for that are must haves for you if he's gonna
have success in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, honestly, it's not even physical, Like, I don't look
at the physical. I look how he gets in and
out of the huddle. Like I got some video footage
that teams use, like how does he react to teammates
when he throws a good ball but it's dropped? How
are the intangibles are you seeing this? Are you seeing that?
How does he handle protections? Is he running a pro
(02:27):
style offense? Like? All those things are what I look
at first, And I would say a lot of times
like scouts and gms and head coaches and offensive corners
look at that. And then when you're like, okay, like
this dude understands it. He gets the position of quarterback,
because you would be surprised how many times quarterbacks, especially
they're just flying by the seat of their pants and
(02:49):
it's really hard to tell just watching film. But I've
watched enough. I've been with enough Hall of Fame coaches
Andy Reid, Sean Payton, I've been with the Hall of
Fame quarterback Drew Brees. Like I understand what should look like.
And then once I have that, I really go to
looking at how he throws the football, not necessarily arm strength.
Does he throw on time and in rhythm? Can he
(03:10):
see it well? Is he able to find holes in
zone coverage if it's man to man. Does he have
the opportunity to check to a man beater? Is he
getting to the right stuff at the right time. And
then obviously, like when you watch enough of that, you're
gonna see the arm talent come through. You're gonna see
the arm strength come through. So it's really just and
a lot of people do this. They just like, oh
(03:31):
my gosh, he throws the ball really hard. Yeah, but
did the ball go to the right spot. Yeah, it's
cover four, or it's say it's cover two. He threw
a hitch and a cover too. Ah, you know, why
do he do that in the league. You know, one
of the corners for the Denver Broncos, Patrick Stain, He's
picking that off and running it back to the house
now you can't get you can't get into that stuff
at the next level. So I think all encompassing those
(03:53):
are pretty much the things I focus on.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, it's funny chase for me and and for someone
that hasn't played the position. I'm not one of these
guys that thinks because I played Madden ten years ago.
I know how concepts work. I know there are a
lot of reporters out there that do actually think that,
which is insane and unless to me, unless I know
what the coach is teaching the quarterback how to go
through play, how am I supposed to know if he's
making the right decision. How am I supposed to know
(04:17):
if he's doing his progressions right? I don't know what
he's being taught. You have a much better shot at
that than I do. But I think it's probably even
tough for you without knowing what, no doubt coaches is
teaching the guy.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
So when you look a guy like Jackson and you
know that that type of Lane Kiffin offense that they
run down there, which a lot of time you're just
putting one guy into conflict, right, and you're trying to
work off that one guy, what do you see and
how do you think he does that in terms of
getting through his progressions.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, I think that was like when I first started
watching the film. I mean I watched about every game
last year. My favorite game was this Georgia game without
a doubt because he was hurt, competitor came back in,
got his ankle, shut up, and finished the game with
a win. But when you're looking at Lane Kiffin's offense,
I was first looking and I'm like, man, they run
the same six plays over and over again, just from
formations and different motions and stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
And I'm like, ah, if I watched that slot player
run the flag underneath the go outside one more time
and you had the deep over under the shallow cross, It's.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Like just a bunch of deep overs shallow crosses. And
so that's great. But I do think towards the end
of the season, Lane, I wouldn't say runs in NFL offense,
but I started seeing some NFL concepts where I'm like okay,
and I sort of rewatched some of the early stuff.
I'm like, Okay, I can see how this is working.
I thought Lane did a hell of a job last year,
(05:33):
and and you know, Jackson is a really competitive guy,
but he put up a lot of stats and people
are like, well, stats don't tell well, this is the
best conference in the world right now in college in
the SEC, so you definitely want to see production. And
when you're watching it, you're like, Okay, I can see
what he's seeing. I would say, the one thing, I'm
(05:54):
sure we'll get into it. But the one thing about
the offense is it's a lot of single like one one,
meaning like, hey, you're just working the left side of
the field. You have option one, you have option two,
let's take off and run. And he is a hell
of a runner, like I would say, one of the
best runners in this class at quarterback. I mean, he
averaged almost five hundred yards rushing as he's in the
(06:17):
three seasons it'll miss and over double digit touchdowns he averaged.
I did this the other night. He averaged like one
hundred and twenty one carries a year. That's a lot.
So you have to go back, how much is that
called runs versus how much is that scrambling verus how
much is that is the offense And that's a little
bit of everything. But for me, I would have loved
to see through the duration of his career, and he
got a lot better from year to year. Like these
(06:38):
full field reads in the NFL, they're so vitally important. Yeah,
you know, you can't have half field reads on under
center play action stuff. You didn't see him do that
a lot. But if he can get to that full
field reads, I liken it to what Jaden Daniels did
two years ago at LSU. People are like, Oh, he's
an amazing run. The dude was a pocket passer and
(06:59):
he got through his so quickly. I think Jackson can
do that. I just think the offense didn't really allow
for him to do that. If that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
No, I think that makes a ton of sense.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And you talk about his taking off and running and
the way I like to talk about quarterbacks first, their
pocket presence, right, how do they handle pressure? And I
like the way Jackson steps up through pressure.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yes, you know, I don't want to make this a
shuit or conversation, but he tends to run backwards when
he got pressure, right, Yep, he likes to move up
and forwards. But I do feel like and there were
a couple of plays, one at the end of that
Georgia game where he kind of threw it backwards to
the guy.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
In the flat on one of those drives.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, but he I feel like, and tell me if
you think I'm wrong. Dark tends to scramble to run
more than he scrambles to throw. You don't see a
lot of scrambling outside the pocket and making a throw
kind of on the move a lot.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, And that's and that's exactly right, Like when you
look at cam Moore, because I'm just I'm just trying
to not compare the two. But when you look at
cam Woard, cam Woard gets out of the pocket better
than probably anyone in the class. But he doesn't run.
He gets out of the pocket to throw, and so
he's always got his eyes on the field. That's like,
that's hard to teach with Jackson. He just trust his
(08:07):
athletic ability and his running abilities so much that I
don't fault him for that because he's a lot faster
and he's a lot more athletic than you look. I
like him to like, he's a more athletic bow Knicks.
But if you watch Bo Nicks in his last year
in college two years ago, he was running a lot
and he was running away from people, and it's like
sneaky athletic like comes to mind, So I don't mind that.
(08:28):
I do think the way the games go, and really
the past three or four years, really five years, I
would say half a decade. You got to have someone
to get out of trouble when the pocket collapses. Because
nowadays you have maybe two seconds to make a decision.
I would say, like a decade ago when I was playing,
it was like two and a half. That extra half
second gets on you quickly, especially with how good defensive
(08:49):
lines are getting. And I wouldn't say the Giants offensive
line was bad last year, but you have to be
able to have a guy. And I think that's sort
of what sold Brian Dable on him is not only
is he really in the pocket good mechanics when he's pressured,
but also can get out of trouble, which is so
vitally important.
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Speaker 1 (09:35):
Going through the progressions.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
The other part that I think is vitally important for
a quarterback that it's hard for me to figure out.
You have a bunch better chance of doing it than
I do is how a quarterback sees the field. And
the way I like to talk about it is can
you slow the game down? Because everything is going so fast?
But to you watching it as a quarterback, can you
slow it down and find the right player and deliver
it to them on time? When you watch Jackson try
(09:56):
to do that, what did you say?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah? For the most part good. I mean, look, the
more you play, that's why I mean, Jackson's only twenty one,
but he played three years in the SEC, so he's
at a prime spot for his growth and they can
continue to get there. But I even went into a
couple of years ago. Watch them just the growth and
development from his like second year at Old Miss to
his last year at Old Miss. Last year, it was effective.
(10:20):
Man Like I'm not gonna say he's like sees it
right away, perfect every time. But you see that growth,
and the game definitely slowed down. And the reason people
don't understand this, the reason why it slows down is
because you're a master at your offense. You're not wondering
what you're doing offensively. You know what you're doing offensively.
You can read and study defenses, and you know gone
(10:42):
through the days of this defense just sitting in a
four to three cover too. They're constantly moving. I thought
he did that really well when defenses showed him different looks.
When he had Manda man coverage, he could find a
zone beater or he could find an out if needed.
So I don't think he got tricked a lot. And
that's hard to do because college are getting better and better.
Obviously you make the jump to the NFL, the game
(11:03):
is fifty times faster than it is. So it'll be
interesting to see how early he gets on the field.
If Brian day Ball and co. Think he's ready with
Jamis and with Russell in the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Room and you're right with the shell deef, everyone starts
in too high safety now and then they post snap,
they go into different coverages.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
If he can do that, I think that'll certainly help
him a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
And I thought watching it, and after they drafted him,
I went back Friday morning, I watched his last three
games of the year, and I agree with you. I
think you did see some different concepts in there. And
I also think when that first read is there, he
does throw with anticipation, like he will get the ball
out before the guys in and out of his breaks.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, and there's no doubt about that. I think. I
think that's the biggest thing for quarterbacks, right, Like I
think sometimes that's why it's difficult for rookie quarterbacks to
have success. Now we've gotten really lucky, and we've gotten
really blessed, and we've gotten really spoiled for the last
two years. Right, you have CJ. Stroud two years ago,
and you have what Jayden Daniels and really bo nixed it.
(11:56):
That's not the norm. So all this pressure is on
these guys, Hey, you got to cut, You've got a
ball out right away. What they did is extraordinary, is
it's not normal. And so with Jackson he does see it.
If he does see it, he throws it with anticipation.
The biggest thing that I saw really that stood out
for me maybe more maybe cam Wardish maybe more than
(12:19):
any other prospect, which which like I started watching him
in February. I'm like, I put on a tweet like
Valentine's d like Jackson Dart's gonna be a first rounder
just because the lack of talent in the quarterback class.
But this one thing was he was able to layer throws. Now,
the teams play so much zone defense in the NFL
and a lot of its match outside, a lot of
its zone in between. You have to be able to
(12:40):
throw in between the numbers to be a successful offense
in the NFL. He's able to layer throws. He's got
a better arm strength than Brock Party, but he likens
a little bit to Rock Party, where he's putting over
that second level of defenders between the second and third
level before the safeties. And I think that's a really
hard skill to learn, because if you look at college
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ball these days, a lot of quarterbacks saying one, two, three,
four five throwing a go ball about fifty yards in
the air, about seventy yards down the field, and that's
just not normal, Like that doesn't happen in the NFL.
There's more of these intermediate timing throws, and I think
that's something Jackson does really well.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, I think he's accurate, and I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I think while he doesn't have a cannon arm, he
has an arm that's good enough to make all the throws.
In your breakdown on Twitter, you show the out from
the opposite hash, which is a.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Very tough throat to make in college. But I'm with you.
I think I saw.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I know they don't throw to the tight end much,
but there was one seam route I forget what game
was where he puts it right over Yeah, the linebacker's hands.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
It was like a three vertical with a shallow cross.
They run that. That's one of the plays. But yeah,
he just put it over the hook curl defender.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
And then on one of the other concepts we talked about,
when they're running that flag underneath to go outside, he
is to get it underneath that cover two shallow cornerbacks sometimes,
and he laid it over him a couple of times
on that flag rounde. So I do think the accuracy
in touch in the intermediate, and he's not afraid the
throw it to the middle of.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
The field either. I think that'll start from very well
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah, I totally agree. And look, there's things for everyone
to get better at. Right, Like you would say, his
decision making is is okay, it's not like the best
like when he gets locked on and he knows where
to go, that's great, And that's what we talked about. Right,
It's like the progression reads and the decision making and
really just and it's not just Jackson. I think this
(14:23):
is just how college ball is. Coaches like, hey, one
read if you can run take off, dude, that's not
gonna fly.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Last year when kill yeah there, it was just chaos.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
One hundred percent, and that's not how you develop. You
have to be okay sometimes, especially as an NFL quarterback,
as throwing the football away or not taking a sack
or not turning the football over. It sounds crazy and
it sounds cliche, but like when you're grading plays as
an offensive coordinator or a quarterback coach, if you come
in on Monday after you play Sunday, right, there's plus
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plays which means amazing throws, third down conversions, touchdowns like this.
Then there's minus throws like ah, you know, probably shouldn't
throw it there, a turn over, a sack, this, and
there's just zeros. It's okay to live in the zeros,
and you want to have those plus plays. The zero
plays are fine. A throwaway is not bad. Don't put
yourself in a second at long a run checking to
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a run. If you're not, that's not bad. I think
that's what sometimes these young rookie quarterbacks struggle with because
they feel like they have to make every single throw.
And you can only get better at that by the
more experience and the more playtime you have. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I think two other things that I noticed.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I think sometimes he gets a little brave and throws
the ball into a couple of team meetings. We saw
that down the field a couple of first Yeah. And
then I think there were a couple of plays too.
And this was more earlier in the year when I
watched him when his feet aren't completely set. His ball
location on some of his gos, his deep balls can
be a little bit off, and I thought he underthrew
some of those, especially on a couple of posts earlier
(15:50):
in the year. Nice late in the year down the
sideline that were great, but I thought some of his
location on his deep doughs, maybe because he doesn't have
that a plus arm we're lacking at times during the year.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, and I think I think a lot of those
if you just look, it's like every quarterback struggles with it.
But it's accuracy under pressure. Like a lot of those throws,
there's somebody in his face, and the more pressure you face,
the harder it is for these receivers in college or
SEC defenders to get open and to create space and
to really trust your receivers. I think that's probably gonna
be the biggest thing he has to work on at
(16:20):
the next level is just hey, when you are pressure, because,
let's face it, like you're facing a clean pocket twenty
five percent of the time right thirty five percent of
the time, the other seventy five percent of the time
it's a dirty pocket or you're on the move. That's
why Patrick Mahomes and all these guys are so good
because they feel good in tight spaces in phone booths.
I don't necessarily see that from Jackson. It doesn't show
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up a lot, but it's like these phone booth throws,
are you cool with everyone around you and you're able
to shortstep and you're able to fire your arm and
not be able to fall through. And are you accurate?
Usually the guys with strong arms are like that. So
Jackson struggled in a little.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Bit of that.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, all right, and now you let's talk about the
blitzpeck up. You talked about little bit how he doesn't
get fooled. How did you see him handling different blitz looks?
I know you feature a lot in that Georgia game. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Look, I think for the most part, that offense allowed
him to change protections. What I saw a lot in
the Georgia game, And a few times it was early
after he came back, they kept running half back choice
because Georgia kept blitzing up the middle and they kept
just hey, just half back choice, free release, free release release.
He knew when that was coming. And I'm like, that's
(17:26):
awesome because they just started in a two show. Look,
he knew exactly, Hey, get off the first read, get
to my heart, get off my first read, throw the flat.
And he almost was a point guard of the football.
And that's what you need to be, especially versus pressures
like hey, lock in, don't try to hold it, don't
try to make that superman throw. And I think that's
something he did really well.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
All right, Now he's in the NFL. He's with the
New York Football Giants. Explain to me and fans what
a quartermack development process looks like.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
He's fortunate to have two veterans in front of him.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yea that the Giants can play for a while if
they want. What does this development process look like for
Jackson Dart as he tries to get ready to play
in an NFL game?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Well, one, I think that the thing that I've heard,
and I think that Brian Daboll loved about him and
some other teams loved about him. That really shot him
up draft boards. As his competitiveness, right like, he is
a freaking competitor and he does not scour or look
down or dismiss any competition. And that's what it is
right now, right, I would imagine Russell Wilson will start.
Jamis is obviously a great teammate. He's in a factor
(18:26):
into that. But let's be real, at some point this year,
Jackson Dart's gonna play, and if he does play and
play well, it's all about how he's gonna get developed,
and that starts from OTAs he might not be getting
you know, the second team reps. He might be getting
third team reps, which is probably the case is gonna happen.
They're gonna make him earn his keep, which I think
is smart. But in those reps, right, you're gonna be
(18:48):
working off on the side with a quarterback coach. It's
not gonna be like it's gonna be like Jamis and
Russell obviously like quarterback coach OC day ball. They're gonna
be doing their thing. But a lot of times when
these rookies come in and they're a first shound talent,
they are like saying, hey, you have this one coach.
You first of all have to get up to speed offensively,
because the offense is completely different, probably than anything you've
(19:10):
ever done in your entire life. I would say that's
the first thing you master, and then it's like, hey,
after practices because in OTA's in training camp. You know,
depending on the rep situation, if you're the three, you
might get twelve reps a day. If you're the one,
you're getting forty. In those twelve reps, guess what six
of those are runs, the seventh one is a screen,
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and the next four or five are throws. And it
might be a stick route. It might be an hour.
You might not right be able to get these your
arm strength and arm talent all one, it's okay. Just
take it day by day, step by step, and after
practice walk through all the plays that the ones did,
so you're getting those reps with the quarterback. I think
it varies from team to team, but the teams I've
(19:53):
been with that have developed quarterbacks even starters continually, that's
that's usually the process on what they do, all right,
and then once.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
To see he's probably gonna run the scout team, I
would imagine, Right, that's probably gonna be the one practice
I would think.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
And I think that once the season starts, that's the
that's the hardest thing because you're not running the Giants offense.
If your Giants are playing at the Eagles in Week
four Jackson dart Is Jalen Hurts the whole week, you
are not going to be running any of the starting
plays at the starting office with Russell Wilson or Jamis
Winson runs. You're gonna be running Eagles plays. And so
(20:25):
that's why it's really difficult during the season to develop.
But a lot of times what you would do is
after practice is before your meetings, you would walk through
the script, which is like the practice script that the
ones ran, and you would go through all of them.
That's what I've done, That's what other quarterbacks have done,
and they would actually get those throws in real time.
So you're actually out there an extra thirty to forty
(20:47):
five minutes walking through the script with the quarterback. You're
calling the plays, you're breaking the huddle like a puddle,
and you got one receiver spotting up. I think that's
the best way to do it.
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Speaker 2 (21:10):
How much can he learn just being in a meeting
room with Russell Wilson watching him break down a defense,
watching doing board work with the coach, doing film work,
rewatching the games on Monday with the team to see
what mistakes Russ or Jamis makes and how you correct them,
what defenses are doing. How much as a young player.
Can you learn off the field in the meeting room life?
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah, I mean it's a lot. And I think you're
not necessarily learning how to play the game. You're learning
how to prep. You're you're and he should be a sponge.
He should soak in everything that Russell that jamis that
the quarterback coach at the office that they tell them,
So you're just consistently soaking up. You're consistently soaking up
to your heavy and then when you ring it out,
it's time to go to the field. Right, It's like, Hey,
(21:53):
everything I learned, let's go out there, Let's put it out.
And that sponge analogy is used from Andy Read. That
sponge analogy is used from Sean Payton and Drew Brees.
It's one of those things, Hey, I was told like
when I was the third string quarterback my rookie year
by my offensive coordinator because I was an undrafted free agent.
But I was number three behind Mark Renell and Drew Brees.
The first day because I wasn't there in training camp,
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I got cut by the Washington football team the first day.
I remember I said, hey, coach, how can they get better?
To my offensive coordinator, Joe Lombardi, who is like one
of my best friends right now in the football league.
He said, just to what Drew does, just just I'm like, uh,
all right, Like he's like, all right, let's all right,
Well I'm gonna do it. He can emulate Russell Wilson,
he can emulate Jameis Winson, but at the end of
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the day, he's got to put his own flavor on it.
And real growth, real growth made. It does not come
until you experience, and it might be a good experience,
it might be a bad experience. You have to get
onto the field and play.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
All right, Two more questions for you, Chase, is this
whole veteran quarterback mentor the young quarterback or real thing?
Or is the starting quarterback you're still obsessed with getting
ready to play the game that he can't really be
bothered with this guy over here that's trying to figure
things out out.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, that's a great question. I think it depends on
the guy. Everything that I know about Russell Wilson, he
lives like literally down the street in San Diego from me.
His kids go to the same school as my school.
Everything I've known about Russell Wilson is a teammate. It's great,
you know. At the same time, Russell's like, I don't
want you to take my job, bro, Like I ain't
gonna give you every single secret. But at the same time,
it's part of the team, so like I want to
help you, bring you along. Same with Jamis. Right, Jamis
(23:21):
is like great team one of the best teammates of
all time. You talk to any of his teammates, his
his pregame speeches might be, you know, a little much
for some people, but for the most part, like people
love him and like Jamis could be that guy, and
I think that that's the best thing for Jackson. It's
just to go in with an open mind. Man. Whatever
happens happens. But at the end of the day, man,
you're trying to compete for the starting job. You're trying
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to be the starting quarterback for the New York Football Giants, man,
and that is a huge deal in New York. The
spotlights on you. So you got to work your tail off.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
And then finally, with his skill set, how do you
see him fitting in the way Brian Dable runs his
offense and how how long that process might be from
the figure out an offense that is notoriously pretty complicated
to be yeah with.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
You, it's complicated and it's worthy. But sometimes when coaches
know that and know they're coming from a college offense,
they'll they'll tailor some things if he's the starter. So
I'm looking forward to it. Look, I know that Brian
Dable obviously coach Josh Allen for four or five years
in Orchard part with Buffalo, and I'm not gonna make
that because that's not I'm not going to make that
assumption or comparison because that's not fair to Jackson. But
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the running abilities there, like he understands Briandable understands what
it takes to do that. And if you remember, like
Josh Allen wasn't awesome, He wasn't all world beaters his
first two years. Right, I just don't know if Jackson dart,
if he plays, if he has that ability, Like he's
got to be good right away for these giants to win.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Man, So you think Halloween or Thanksgiving for a reasonable
time to get him on the phone.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Oh, it's it's before Thanksgiving. It's before Thanksgiving for sure.
I think it has to be.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
So get your Halloween mask on, folks, That's what you
might start having a little bit of fun.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Chase good stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Anything you want to tell the folks about what you're
up to before we say goodbye.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Now, man, Just the Facility on FS one every single
day ten pm ten am Eastern Scoop City podcast on
the Athletic. You can find us on YouTube and then
my YouTube channel itself. It's all the quarterback breakdowns I
post on Twitter so like that. It's just Chase Daniel show,
So check me out.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I can't believe Dana puts the phone down long enough
to do a podcast. Has she stopped the podcast in
the middle of a record to take a ball before?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yes, okay, one hundred times we just cut it out.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I figured Chase good stuff man, Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
That's longtime NFL quarterback Chase Daniel.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
You can find him on Scoop City, a podcast for
the Athletic, and you also find them on the Facility
on Fox Sports one every weekday. Thank you so much
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I am John Schmilk for Chase Daniel. We'll see you
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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with us today.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Good guest, very excited about this first time he's come
on The Giants Little Podcast, and we're thrilled to have him.
Former NFL quarterback, a thirteen year starter and backup in
the National Football League, Chase Daniel. And now we welcome
in longtime NFL quarterback in the league for thirteen years,
Chase Daniel.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Chase, what's going on? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
How's it going? Appreciate you having me, man.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Hey, I'm really excited to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
You can find Chase on Scoop City, the podcast for
the athletic. You can also find them on the Facility
on Fox Sports one. How are you enjoying a football
media life?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Man, It's been good, you know, it's definitely a different change.
Was what I was used to for fourteen years or
eighteen years or how many However, many years I played
football right like, I always had an eye out and
I always respected what everyone did that covered the sport
because you know, we're taught as players. Hey hate the media.
Hate the media like they're just and it's just completely
opposite of that. You guys have a job to do.
(01:09):
We have a job to do, and without the media,
the sport doesn't get us coverage it deserves. So I
did some stuff, you know, while I was playing, and
I felt like a I either wanted to coach, which
I've had offers to coach, but my wife would divorce me.
And that's that's probably a very true statement. Or it
was like going to media. So like I always knew
(01:30):
I want to do something football. The media stuff has
been great. I mean, to get on a Fox Sports
show and then to be with Diana Verssini and then
the YouTube channel. It's just been ever evolving and we're
just continuing to grow. Man.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, you can find Chase on Twitter. He puts a
lot of great stuff up on Twitter as well, like
as Jackson darp Breakdown's up there right now from I
believe last Thursday night or maybe last Friday. That's up there,
and you cant check out his YouTube channel as well.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
All right, Chase, let's start real basics.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
When as a former NFL quarterback, when you first put
on the college tape of a draft prospect that plays
the position, what are the first few things you look
for that are must haves for you if he's gonna
have success in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, honestly, it's not even physical, Like, I don't look
at the physical. I look how he gets in and
out of the huddle. Like I got some video footage
that teams use, like how does he react to teammates
when he throws a good ball but it's dropped? How
are the intangibles are you seeing this? Are you seeing that?
How does he handle protections? Is he running a pro
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style offense? Like? All those things are what I look
at first, And I would say a lot of times
like scouts and gms and head coaches and offensive corners
look at that. And then when you're like, okay, like
this dude understands it. He gets the position of quarterback,
because you would be surprised how many times quarterbacks, especially
they're just flying by the seat of their pants and
(02:49):
it's really hard to tell just watching film. But I've
watched enough. I've been with enough Hall of Fame coaches
Andy Reid, Sean Payton, I've been with the Hall of
Fame quarterback Drew Brees. Like I understand what should look like.
And then once I have that, I really go to
looking at how he throws the football, not necessarily arm strength.
Does he throw on time and in rhythm? Can he
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see it well? Is he able to find holes in
zone coverage if it's man to man. Does he have
the opportunity to check to a man beater? Is he
getting to the right stuff at the right time. And
then obviously, like when you watch enough of that, you're
gonna see the arm talent come through. You're gonna see
the arm strength come through. So it's really just and
a lot of people do this. They just like, oh
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my gosh, he throws the ball really hard. Yeah, but
did the ball go to the right spot. Yeah, it's
cover four, or it's say it's cover two. He threw
a hitch and a cover too. Ah, you know, why
do he do that in the league. You know, one
of the corners for the Denver Broncos, Patrick Stain, He's
picking that off and running it back to the house
now you can't get you can't get into that stuff
at the next level. So I think all encompassing those
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are pretty much the things I focus on.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, it's funny chase for me and and for someone
that hasn't played the position. I'm not one of these
guys that thinks because I played Madden ten years ago.
I know how concepts work. I know there are a
lot of reporters out there that do actually think that,
which is insane and unless to me, unless I know
what the coach is teaching the quarterback how to go
through play, how am I supposed to know if he's
making the right decision. How am I supposed to know
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if he's doing his progressions right? I don't know what
he's being taught. You have a much better shot at
that than I do. But I think it's probably even
tough for you without knowing what, no doubt coaches is
teaching the guy.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
So when you look a guy like Jackson and you
know that that type of Lane Kiffin offense that they
run down there, which a lot of time you're just
putting one guy into conflict, right, and you're trying to
work off that one guy, what do you see and
how do you think he does that in terms of
getting through his progressions.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, I think that was like when I first started
watching the film. I mean I watched about every game
last year. My favorite game was this Georgia game without
a doubt because he was hurt, competitor came back in,
got his ankle, shut up, and finished the game with
a win. But when you're looking at Lane Kiffin's offense,
I was first looking and I'm like, man, they run
the same six plays over and over again, just from
formations and different motions and stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
And I'm like, ah, if I watched that slot player
run the flag underneath the go outside one more time
and you had the deep over under the shallow cross, It's.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Like just a bunch of deep overs shallow crosses. And
so that's great. But I do think towards the end
of the season, Lane, I wouldn't say runs in NFL offense,
but I started seeing some NFL concepts where I'm like okay,
and I sort of rewatched some of the early stuff.
I'm like, Okay, I can see how this is working.
I thought Lane did a hell of a job last year,
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and and you know, Jackson is a really competitive guy,
but he put up a lot of stats and people
are like, well, stats don't tell well, this is the
best conference in the world right now in college in
the SEC, so you definitely want to see production. And
when you're watching it, you're like, Okay, I can see
what he's seeing. I would say, the one thing, I'm
(05:54):
sure we'll get into it. But the one thing about
the offense is it's a lot of single like one one,
meaning like, hey, you're just working the left side of
the field. You have option one, you have option two,
let's take off and run. And he is a hell
of a runner, like I would say, one of the
best runners in this class at quarterback. I mean, he
averaged almost five hundred yards rushing as he's in the
(06:17):
three seasons it'll miss and over double digit touchdowns he averaged.
I did this the other night. He averaged like one
hundred and twenty one carries a year. That's a lot.
So you have to go back, how much is that
called runs versus how much is that scrambling verus how
much is that is the offense And that's a little
bit of everything. But for me, I would have loved
to see through the duration of his career, and he
got a lot better from year to year. Like these
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full field reads in the NFL, they're so vitally important. Yeah,
you know, you can't have half field reads on under
center play action stuff. You didn't see him do that
a lot. But if he can get to that full
field reads, I liken it to what Jaden Daniels did
two years ago at LSU. People are like, Oh, he's
an amazing run. The dude was a pocket passer and
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he got through his so quickly. I think Jackson can
do that. I just think the offense didn't really allow
for him to do that. If that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
No, I think that makes a ton of sense.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And you talk about his taking off and running and
the way I like to talk about quarterbacks first, their
pocket presence, right, how do they handle pressure? And I
like the way Jackson steps up through pressure.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yes, you know, I don't want to make this a
shuit or conversation, but he tends to run backwards when
he got pressure, right, Yep, he likes to move up
and forwards. But I do feel like and there were
a couple of plays, one at the end of that
Georgia game where he kind of threw it backwards to
the guy.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
In the flat on one of those drives.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, but he I feel like, and tell me if
you think I'm wrong. Dark tends to scramble to run
more than he scrambles to throw. You don't see a
lot of scrambling outside the pocket and making a throw
kind of on the move a lot.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, And that's and that's exactly right, Like when you
look at cam Moore, because I'm just I'm just trying
to not compare the two. But when you look at
cam Woard, cam Woard gets out of the pocket better
than probably anyone in the class. But he doesn't run.
He gets out of the pocket to throw, and so
he's always got his eyes on the field. That's like,
that's hard to teach with Jackson. He just trust his
(08:07):
athletic ability and his running abilities so much that I
don't fault him for that because he's a lot faster
and he's a lot more athletic than you look. I
like him to like, he's a more athletic bow Knicks.
But if you watch Bo Nicks in his last year
in college two years ago, he was running a lot
and he was running away from people, and it's like
sneaky athletic like comes to mind, So I don't mind that.
(08:28):
I do think the way the games go, and really
the past three or four years, really five years, I
would say half a decade. You got to have someone
to get out of trouble when the pocket collapses. Because
nowadays you have maybe two seconds to make a decision.
I would say, like a decade ago when I was playing,
it was like two and a half. That extra half
second gets on you quickly, especially with how good defensive
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lines are getting. And I wouldn't say the Giants offensive
line was bad last year, but you have to be
able to have a guy. And I think that's sort
of what sold Brian Dable on him is not only
is he really in the pocket good mechanics when he's pressured,
but also can get out of trouble, which is so
vitally important.
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Speaker 1 (09:35):
Going through the progressions.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
The other part that I think is vitally important for
a quarterback that it's hard for me to figure out.
You have a bunch better chance of doing it than
I do is how a quarterback sees the field. And
the way I like to talk about it is can
you slow the game down? Because everything is going so fast?
But to you watching it as a quarterback, can you
slow it down and find the right player and deliver
it to them on time? When you watch Jackson try
(09:56):
to do that, what did you say?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah? For the most part good. I mean, look, the
more you play, that's why I mean, Jackson's only twenty one,
but he played three years in the SEC, so he's
at a prime spot for his growth and they can
continue to get there. But I even went into a
couple of years ago. Watch them just the growth and
development from his like second year at Old Miss to
his last year at Old Miss. Last year, it was effective.
(10:20):
Man Like I'm not gonna say he's like sees it
right away, perfect every time. But you see that growth,
and the game definitely slowed down. And the reason people
don't understand this, the reason why it slows down is
because you're a master at your offense. You're not wondering
what you're doing offensively. You know what you're doing offensively.
You can read and study defenses, and you know gone
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through the days of this defense just sitting in a
four to three cover too. They're constantly moving. I thought
he did that really well when defenses showed him different looks.
When he had Manda man coverage, he could find a
zone beater or he could find an out if needed.
So I don't think he got tricked a lot. And
that's hard to do because college are getting better and better.
Obviously you make the jump to the NFL, the game
(11:03):
is fifty times faster than it is. So it'll be
interesting to see how early he gets on the field.
If Brian day Ball and co. Think he's ready with
Jamis and with Russell in the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Room and you're right with the shell deef, everyone starts
in too high safety now and then they post snap,
they go into different coverages.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
If he can do that, I think that'll certainly help
him a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
And I thought watching it, and after they drafted him,
I went back Friday morning, I watched his last three
games of the year, and I agree with you. I
think you did see some different concepts in there. And
I also think when that first read is there, he
does throw with anticipation, like he will get the ball
out before the guys in and out of his breaks.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, and there's no doubt about that. I think. I
think that's the biggest thing for quarterbacks, right, Like I
think sometimes that's why it's difficult for rookie quarterbacks to
have success. Now we've gotten really lucky, and we've gotten
really blessed, and we've gotten really spoiled for the last
two years. Right, you have CJ. Stroud two years ago,
and you have what Jayden Daniels and really bo nixed it.
(11:56):
That's not the norm. So all this pressure is on
these guys, Hey, you got to cut, You've got a
ball out right away. What they did is extraordinary, is
it's not normal. And so with Jackson he does see it.
If he does see it, he throws it with anticipation.
The biggest thing that I saw really that stood out
for me maybe more maybe cam Wardish maybe more than
(12:19):
any other prospect, which which like I started watching him
in February. I'm like, I put on a tweet like
Valentine's d like Jackson Dart's gonna be a first rounder
just because the lack of talent in the quarterback class.
But this one thing was he was able to layer throws. Now,
the teams play so much zone defense in the NFL
and a lot of its match outside, a lot of
its zone in between. You have to be able to
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throw in between the numbers to be a successful offense
in the NFL. He's able to layer throws. He's got
a better arm strength than Brock Party, but he likens
a little bit to Rock Party, where he's putting over
that second level of defenders between the second and third
level before the safeties. And I think that's a really
hard skill to learn, because if you look at college
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ball these days, a lot of quarterbacks saying one, two, three,
four five throwing a go ball about fifty yards in
the air, about seventy yards down the field, and that's
just not normal, Like that doesn't happen in the NFL.
There's more of these intermediate timing throws, and I think
that's something Jackson does really well.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, I think he's accurate, and I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I think while he doesn't have a cannon arm, he
has an arm that's good enough to make all the throws.
In your breakdown on Twitter, you show the out from
the opposite hash, which is a.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Very tough throat to make in college. But I'm with you.
I think I saw.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I know they don't throw to the tight end much,
but there was one seam route I forget what game
was where he puts it right over Yeah, the linebacker's hands.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
It was like a three vertical with a shallow cross.
They run that. That's one of the plays. But yeah,
he just put it over the hook curl defender.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
And then on one of the other concepts we talked about,
when they're running that flag underneath to go outside, he
is to get it underneath that cover two shallow cornerbacks sometimes,
and he laid it over him a couple of times
on that flag rounde. So I do think the accuracy
in touch in the intermediate, and he's not afraid the
throw it to the middle of.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
The field either. I think that'll start from very well
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah, I totally agree. And look, there's things for everyone
to get better at. Right, Like you would say, his
decision making is is okay, it's not like the best
like when he gets locked on and he knows where
to go, that's great, And that's what we talked about. Right,
It's like the progression reads and the decision making and
really just and it's not just Jackson. I think this
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is just how college ball is. Coaches like, hey, one
read if you can run take off, dude, that's not
gonna fly.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Last year when kill yeah there, it was just chaos.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
One hundred percent, and that's not how you develop. You
have to be okay sometimes, especially as an NFL quarterback,
as throwing the football away or not taking a sack
or not turning the football over. It sounds crazy and
it sounds cliche, but like when you're grading plays as
an offensive coordinator or a quarterback coach, if you come
in on Monday after you play Sunday, right, there's plus
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plays which means amazing throws, third down conversions, touchdowns like this.
Then there's minus throws like ah, you know, probably shouldn't
throw it there, a turn over, a sack, this, and
there's just zeros. It's okay to live in the zeros,
and you want to have those plus plays. The zero
plays are fine. A throwaway is not bad. Don't put
yourself in a second at long a run checking to
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a run. If you're not, that's not bad. I think
that's what sometimes these young rookie quarterbacks struggle with because
they feel like they have to make every single throw.
And you can only get better at that by the
more experience and the more playtime you have. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I think two other things that I noticed.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I think sometimes he gets a little brave and throws
the ball into a couple of team meetings. We saw
that down the field a couple of first Yeah. And
then I think there were a couple of plays too.
And this was more earlier in the year when I
watched him when his feet aren't completely set. His ball
location on some of his gos, his deep balls can
be a little bit off, and I thought he underthrew
some of those, especially on a couple of posts earlier
(15:50):
in the year. Nice late in the year down the
sideline that were great, but I thought some of his
location on his deep doughs, maybe because he doesn't have
that a plus arm we're lacking at times during the year.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, and I think I think a lot of those
if you just look, it's like every quarterback struggles with it.
But it's accuracy under pressure. Like a lot of those throws,
there's somebody in his face, and the more pressure you face,
the harder it is for these receivers in college or
SEC defenders to get open and to create space and
to really trust your receivers. I think that's probably gonna
be the biggest thing he has to work on at
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the next level is just hey, when you are pressure, because,
let's face it, like you're facing a clean pocket twenty
five percent of the time right thirty five percent of
the time, the other seventy five percent of the time
it's a dirty pocket or you're on the move. That's
why Patrick Mahomes and all these guys are so good
because they feel good in tight spaces in phone booths.
I don't necessarily see that from Jackson. It doesn't show
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up a lot, but it's like these phone booth throws,
are you cool with everyone around you and you're able
to shortstep and you're able to fire your arm and
not be able to fall through. And are you accurate?
Usually the guys with strong arms are like that. So
Jackson struggled in a little.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Bit of that.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, all right, and now you let's talk about the
blitzpeck up. You talked about little bit how he doesn't
get fooled. How did you see him handling different blitz looks?
I know you feature a lot in that Georgia game. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Look, I think for the most part, that offense allowed
him to change protections. What I saw a lot in
the Georgia game, And a few times it was early
after he came back, they kept running half back choice
because Georgia kept blitzing up the middle and they kept
just hey, just half back choice, free release, free release release.
He knew when that was coming. And I'm like, that's
(17:26):
awesome because they just started in a two show. Look,
he knew exactly, Hey, get off the first read, get
to my heart, get off my first read, throw the flat.
And he almost was a point guard of the football.
And that's what you need to be, especially versus pressures
like hey, lock in, don't try to hold it, don't
try to make that superman throw. And I think that's
something he did really well.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
All right, Now he's in the NFL. He's with the
New York Football Giants. Explain to me and fans what
a quartermack development process looks like.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
He's fortunate to have two veterans in front of him.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yea that the Giants can play for a while if
they want. What does this development process look like for
Jackson Dart as he tries to get ready to play
in an NFL game?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Well, one, I think that the thing that I've heard,
and I think that Brian Daboll loved about him and
some other teams loved about him. That really shot him
up draft boards. As his competitiveness, right like, he is
a freaking competitor and he does not scour or look
down or dismiss any competition. And that's what it is
right now, right, I would imagine Russell Wilson will start.
Jamis is obviously a great teammate. He's in a factor
(18:26):
into that. But let's be real, at some point this year,
Jackson Dart's gonna play, and if he does play and
play well, it's all about how he's gonna get developed,
and that starts from OTAs he might not be getting
you know, the second team reps. He might be getting
third team reps, which is probably the case is gonna happen.
They're gonna make him earn his keep, which I think
is smart. But in those reps, right, you're gonna be
(18:48):
working off on the side with a quarterback coach. It's
not gonna be like it's gonna be like Jamis and
Russell obviously like quarterback coach OC day ball. They're gonna
be doing their thing. But a lot of times when
these rookies come in and they're a first shound talent,
they are like saying, hey, you have this one coach.
You first of all have to get up to speed offensively,
because the offense is completely different, probably than anything you've
(19:10):
ever done in your entire life. I would say that's
the first thing you master, and then it's like, hey,
after practices because in OTA's in training camp. You know,
depending on the rep situation, if you're the three, you
might get twelve reps a day. If you're the one,
you're getting forty. In those twelve reps, guess what six
of those are runs, the seventh one is a screen,
(19:31):
and the next four or five are throws. And it
might be a stick route. It might be an hour.
You might not right be able to get these your
arm strength and arm talent all one, it's okay. Just
take it day by day, step by step, and after
practice walk through all the plays that the ones did,
so you're getting those reps with the quarterback. I think
it varies from team to team, but the teams I've
(19:53):
been with that have developed quarterbacks even starters continually, that's
that's usually the process on what they do, all right,
and then once.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
To see he's probably gonna run the scout team, I
would imagine, Right, that's probably gonna be the one practice
I would think.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
And I think that once the season starts, that's the
that's the hardest thing because you're not running the Giants offense.
If your Giants are playing at the Eagles in Week
four Jackson dart Is Jalen Hurts the whole week, you
are not going to be running any of the starting
plays at the starting office with Russell Wilson or Jamis
Winson runs. You're gonna be running Eagles plays. And so
(20:25):
that's why it's really difficult during the season to develop.
But a lot of times what you would do is
after practice is before your meetings, you would walk through
the script, which is like the practice script that the
ones ran, and you would go through all of them.
That's what I've done, That's what other quarterbacks have done,
and they would actually get those throws in real time.
So you're actually out there an extra thirty to forty
(20:47):
five minutes walking through the script with the quarterback. You're
calling the plays, you're breaking the huddle like a puddle,
and you got one receiver spotting up. I think that's
the best way to do it.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
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of crunch time football, I'm your match.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
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Speaker 1 (21:03):
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Speaker 2 (21:10):
How much can he learn just being in a meeting
room with Russell Wilson watching him break down a defense,
watching doing board work with the coach, doing film work,
rewatching the games on Monday with the team to see
what mistakes Russ or Jamis makes and how you correct them,
what defenses are doing. How much as a young player.
Can you learn off the field in the meeting room life?
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah, I mean it's a lot. And I think you're
not necessarily learning how to play the game. You're learning
how to prep. You're you're and he should be a sponge.
He should soak in everything that Russell that jamis that
the quarterback coach at the office that they tell them,
So you're just consistently soaking up. You're consistently soaking up
to your heavy and then when you ring it out,
it's time to go to the field. Right, It's like, Hey,
(21:53):
everything I learned, let's go out there, Let's put it out.
And that sponge analogy is used from Andy Read. That
sponge analogy is used from Sean Payton and Drew Brees.
It's one of those things, Hey, I was told like
when I was the third string quarterback my rookie year
by my offensive coordinator because I was an undrafted free agent.
But I was number three behind Mark Renell and Drew Brees.
The first day because I wasn't there in training camp,
(22:14):
I got cut by the Washington football team the first day.
I remember I said, hey, coach, how can they get better?
To my offensive coordinator, Joe Lombardi, who is like one
of my best friends right now in the football league.
He said, just to what Drew does, just just I'm like, uh,
all right, Like he's like, all right, let's all right,
Well I'm gonna do it. He can emulate Russell Wilson,
he can emulate Jameis Winson, but at the end of
(22:36):
the day, he's got to put his own flavor on it.
And real growth, real growth made. It does not come
until you experience, and it might be a good experience,
it might be a bad experience. You have to get
onto the field and play.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
All right, Two more questions for you, Chase, is this
whole veteran quarterback mentor the young quarterback or real thing?
Or is the starting quarterback you're still obsessed with getting
ready to play the game that he can't really be
bothered with this guy over here that's trying to figure
things out out.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, that's a great question. I think it depends on
the guy. Everything that I know about Russell Wilson, he
lives like literally down the street in San Diego from me.
His kids go to the same school as my school.
Everything I've known about Russell Wilson is a teammate. It's great,
you know. At the same time, Russell's like, I don't
want you to take my job, bro, Like I ain't
gonna give you every single secret. But at the same time,
it's part of the team, so like I want to
help you, bring you along. Same with Jamis. Right, Jamis
(23:21):
is like great team one of the best teammates of
all time. You talk to any of his teammates, his
his pregame speeches might be, you know, a little much
for some people, but for the most part, like people
love him and like Jamis could be that guy, and
I think that that's the best thing for Jackson. It's
just to go in with an open mind. Man. Whatever
happens happens. But at the end of the day, man,
you're trying to compete for the starting job. You're trying
(23:45):
to be the starting quarterback for the New York Football Giants, man,
and that is a huge deal in New York. The
spotlights on you. So you got to work your tail off.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
And then finally, with his skill set, how do you
see him fitting in the way Brian Dable runs his
offense and how how long that process might be from
the figure out an offense that is notoriously pretty complicated
to be yeah with.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
You, it's complicated and it's worthy. But sometimes when coaches
know that and know they're coming from a college offense,
they'll they'll tailor some things if he's the starter. So
I'm looking forward to it. Look, I know that Brian
Dable obviously coach Josh Allen for four or five years
in Orchard part with Buffalo, and I'm not gonna make
that because that's not I'm not going to make that
assumption or comparison because that's not fair to Jackson. But
(24:28):
the running abilities there, like he understands Briandable understands what
it takes to do that. And if you remember, like
Josh Allen wasn't awesome, He wasn't all world beaters his
first two years. Right, I just don't know if Jackson dart,
if he plays, if he has that ability, Like he's
got to be good right away for these giants to win.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Man, So you think Halloween or Thanksgiving for a reasonable
time to get him on the phone.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Oh, it's it's before Thanksgiving. It's before Thanksgiving for sure.
I think it has to be.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
So get your Halloween mask on, folks, That's what you
might start having a little bit of fun.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Chase good stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Anything you want to tell the folks about what you're
up to before we say goodbye.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Now, man, Just the Facility on FS one every single
day ten pm ten am Eastern Scoop City podcast on
the Athletic. You can find us on YouTube and then
my YouTube channel itself. It's all the quarterback breakdowns I
post on Twitter so like that. It's just Chase Daniel show,
So check me out.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I can't believe Dana puts the phone down long enough
to do a podcast. Has she stopped the podcast in
the middle of a record to take a ball before?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yes, okay, one hundred times we just cut it out.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I figured Chase good stuff man, Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
That's longtime NFL quarterback Chase Daniel.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
You can find him on Scoop City, a podcast for
the Athletic, and you also find them on the Facility
on Fox Sports one every weekday. Thank you so much
for being with us in the Giants Little podcast brought
to you by Citizens the official bank of the Giants.
I am John Schmilk for Chase Daniel. We'll see you
next time.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
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