November 7, 2025 • 45 mins
On this episode of the Giants Huddle podcast, John Schmeelk sits down with Giants safety, Tyler Nubin, to talk about the Giants defensive play, John chats with the Chicago Tribune’s, Brad Biggs, about the matchup with Chicago, John chats with Giants rookie offensive lineman, Marcus Mbow, and Bob Papa has his weekly sit down with Giants Head Coach, Brian Daboll.
:00 - Tyler Nubin
16:15 - Brad Biggs
33:40 - Marcus Mbow
37:00 - Coach Daboll
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time to get inside the Giants. Let's Giants on
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to another edition of the Gihns Little Podcast. Our
normal Friday fair today, Folks is all presented by Citizens,
the official bank of the New York Football Giants. So
we have Bob Poppo with head coach of the Giants,
Brian Dable. I do my preview with the Bears with
Brad Biggs. I'm gonna have a quick interview with Marcus
bow who may get the start for Jamaine Lumino again
at right tackle. But we're gonna lead things off with
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our long player interview, and that's going to be my
conversation with Giants safety Tyler Nuban. We touched on a
lot of stuff, including his performance this year, the defense,
and of course the matchup against the Bears. Welcome to
another edition of the Johns Little Podcast, brought to you
by Citizens Official Bank at the Giants. I'm John Schmelk,
today's guest from the Hackensack Marine Hell podcast Sdeo Keep
Getting Better. We now are joined by Giant safety Tyler Nuban.
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New What's going on.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Man, it's good to talk to you. I'm always a pleasure.
So you're going home little in Chicago, So now you
play in Northwestern? Is this like your first like home
home game though playing in Chicago?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Honestly, yes, for sure.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Northwestern we played there a couple of times, but didn't
have too many people there because you know, late in
the season, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And it's not like in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
Yeah, you know what I mean, right.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Right right, yeah, but this this is definitely gonna hit
home for me.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
How many people you have gone?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Too many?
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Man?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Upwards of twenty for sure?
Speaker 6 (01:25):
Really?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, yeah, all right?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Is it like what like what are the emotions going
on playing there? Is it like excitement?
Speaker 6 (01:32):
Is like?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Man?
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Honestly, I've been thinking about this game for a long
time just because you know, I remember growing up, you know,
my my pops taking me to Bears games, you know,
being up there at Soldier Field, and you know, my
first memory ever, you know being in there is telling
my dad, man, I'm going to be down there one day,
And you know, my dad was like, man, I think
you think you are going to be down there one day.
I'm like six six, five six years old at this time,
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and he's like, man, it's gonna take a lot to
get there. You like, you know, it's gonna take hard words, Okay, dedication.
You know, he kind of mapped it out for me,
and you know, I took it to heart and I
believed it, and honestly, it's gonna be definitely a welcome
to the NFL, you know moment.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
For me, like when it finally like sings in, like dang,
like I really made.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
It, dude, that's awesome. Did you go up a Bears fan?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I did? Yeah, I did.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Unfortunately, Yeah, there wasn't a whole lot of joy.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So and they're welcoming home in the proper Chicago way.
We might get snow like you played in Minnesota. So
you know we're chatting before we started. This is like
nothing to you, but are you kind of looking forward
to like playing in that like Midwest weather.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Definitely.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I love playing it call way Bear than playing it hot.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
All right, so let's talk about this game. In the matchup,
you have a lot of connections with a lot of
these guys and the Bears you're in the draft class
with with both Rome and Caleb. Right in college you
played against both Money and Guy and Loveland Rutgers in Michigan.
So let's start with their passing game first. Caleb Williams,
when you watch them on tape, you did not play
him in college, But from what you know about him,
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what are the things that you guys gotta do to
kind of deal with his special skills and correct me
if you think I'm wrong. Just ridiculous arm talent. And
once he gets moving and he could be rolling left
and he throws back to the side of the field,
the ball can go anywhere right.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Like you said, he's got incredible arm talent. Man, I
think he can make every single throw on the field.
There's not a throw that they don't trust him to make.
You know, they do a lot of those you know sales,
you know come back to the field and he's he's
firing them. So, uh, he's definitely got a crazy arm talent.
But I think the thing that makes the most dangerous
is just his ability extend plays. So you got to
defend not just the first play, but the second play
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because once he breaks the pocket, they're really good at
they're scrambled rules, guys, getting open you know, guys, you know,
making sure they're giving just a little bit of space
and you know Caleb's gonna be able to put that
in there.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
So it's definitely gonna be a challenge, but it's gonna
be fun.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
Throw.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I was thinking about one to Dj Moore a couple
of weeks ago, and his roll to his left danced
around then he kind of just threw it to more
right over the shoulder. Unbelievable throw. And then they have
different weapons, right I mentioned Dj Moore, Then you're roma Duns.
He's kind of your bigger receiver than the tight ends
that can catch it. Even zakais their their third wide receiver.
He's had a really good year this year. But what
is Yeah, all those guys, what is about the variety
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of their weapons in the passing game that makes their
passing attack dangerous?
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Then there are a lot of different guys that can
do different things. Like you said Dj Moore, he's kind
of like a running back in the receiver body. Uh,
you know, Gad your guy you know, can do everything
but can still take you deep and you know, uh
make those fifty fifty catches.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Rome.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Uh, he's definitely got a bigger receiver, but he can
run every single route.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
So they definitely. They got a lot of versatile guys.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
And you know, one thing that I will commend them on,
they're they're very physical in the run game.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
All the receivers, they're willing blockers.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
You know, they're definitely gonna, you know, get dirty in there,
and you know they're not afraid to you know, uh,
go in there and throw a shoulder, throw some hands
in the run game.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
But you mentioned the run game. Let's get to that next.
They didn't have DeAndre Swift last week. Kyle Munning, guy
the rookie out of rutglers, steps in there and he
pushes for one hundred and seventy five yards. Look great
doing it too. Give you a little scattered report on him.
I looked up you played him in your junior year.
I believe in Minnesota really productive running back in college.
What are the things that maybe he and Swift do
a little bit differently, but what do they do maybe
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similarly just based on how they work their rue game?
Speaker 5 (05:08):
I think definitely they're they're both really really great vision guys.
They can make every single cut, you know they're going
one way, and a lot of their offenses, you know,
outside stretch zones that can cut back and can cut up,
giving these guys the ability to use their talents and
what their best at which is, you know, I think
is finding those creases and putting their foot in the
ground and getting north.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
So that's what makes it.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Like really really hard because you never know where they're
gonna cut it up because both of them are really
good at that, you know, finding those creases.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
So that's what I think.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
You know, both of them do really well, and you know,
both bigger guys, and they run hard.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
You mentioned the outside runs. That's something that at times
the last couple weeks have given your defense some issues. Right,
What are some of the things that you guys when
you look back and down looking ahead to the Bears,
that you need to do better on some of those
outside runs, whether again it's the outside zone, it's the
pin pos stuff, whatever the type of scheme it is.
What do you guys need to do better to prevent
some of those explosive plays which the Bears are so
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good at getting on those outside runs.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Things just playing team football, man, and just trusting and
knowing where the guys in front of you are going
to be and going to shoot your gun, not being hesitant,
you know, and letting those guys on the offensive end,
you know, come and come and knock you off because
you know, those outside runs, a lot of those linemen
they're they're running and they're they're running fast, and they're
they're coming on the B line most times they are
going to have a leverage on us. So, you know,
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getting over playing the gap in the half, being able
to be physical and be downhill, and trusting the guys
in front of you that they're going to do their
job so you can play faster in New York, so
not everybody's you know, hesitating and waiting to see where
the ball is going to go, you know, just everybody
going downhill and attacking.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, I was gonna ask you about that because people
talk about tackling. Obviously that's really important, but when you
talk about angles and getting to the area fast you
don't get blocked. How much of that is having confidence
that you know where you have to insert based on
what's going on in front of you. With the first
two levels of the defense too.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
It's everything. I think knowing where you're going is more important.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Than actually getting there because you can play that much faster,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Once you know that you know my three techniques is
going to play over this back block. I know that
I'm not worried about the ball potentially going and spilling
out front side. So now I can play back, and
I can play behind the ball, and I can be
lying right to his back hip and I know he's
probably gonna cut back right to me. So things like that,
you know a little nuances in our defense where you
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know we're playing certain things and if you know where
your guy's gonna be, you can just play that much faster.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
How can stuff like that make you either look late
or make an angle look bad just because maybe some
little detail in how the front's supposed to be played
and how you're reacting off of that. How much can
that make those other two things look off?
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Right?
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
One hundred percent?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Like everything, I think, especially for my position safety, you know,
we're the last line of defense.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
So you know on the TV copy, you know when.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
The run breaks and you know we're not there, and
you know, maybe I'm a little hesitant because you know
something happens up front that you know I wasn't expecting
that that honestly like that, that plays a huge part
into it. And you know that's what they're going to
see on the TV copy. Obviously they don't, you know, announcers,
you know, people don't know, you know, exactly what the
defensive scheme is going to be.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Right, exactly exactly.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
So so that's that's why things can look like, oh, man, like,
it looks like, you know, he wasn't in his spot.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
You know, he wasn't in his spot.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
He was supposed to be here, but uh, there's so
much that goes into it, and when not everybody's on
the same page, that's what it looks like.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
And even just things like leverage and attacking the inside
shoulder versity outside shoulder, little things like that can make
all the difference. When you have you know, Michael mcfatten
was there, he gets hurt. Dar's moose as a Now
he's hurt, and now the corner is even too, right,
being forced players on the edge, guy's moving in and out.
That can change all those angles.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Right, It's on all of us to to make sure
that we're getting ourselves prepared for those type of things,
especially with the person other we have right now, and
knowing that you know, there's guys shifting in and out
of the lineup, you just gotta be great, you know,
as a unit, just making sure that you know, we're
really emphasizing exactly where everybody's supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Now, we're recording this on Thursday, so we don't know,
but we have seen Javon Holland back on the practice
field this week. Cordo flops back on the practice field.
What do you mean to the defense? Having those guys
back out there with you?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
It'll be huge, man. They're both huge playmakers for us.
Man I called flap miss are.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Consistent because you know, he just he just does it
week in and week out, man, And you know it's
it's a sense of calm when when he's out there,
because you know, you know what you're gonna get from him.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
And then Javon, you know.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
He's he's an incredible player. Man, He's a game changer.
So having them both back would would definitely be great.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
What was the challenge trying to work with so many
different pieces? Obviously Dan is someone that you've worked with
a lot. I'm sure that wasn't that different, right, But
when you throw that in, then you're throwing you know,
Corey Black who's here as a late round pick, he
leaves he comes back, you know, Deontae coming in and out.
What was it like trying to get all you guys
on the same page the last couple of weeks, especially
even the old that Broncos game, Right, you guys go
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down the middle of the game to trying to figure
things out in the fourth quarter, trying to get you
get yourselves in sync, given we know how the defense
really has to play on a string and playing together.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Yeah, it's tough, man, I mean, this this sport. It's
really hard to just roll the decks guys in, especially
when you don't know their play style, how they're gonna play.
You know, there's certain things you know, me and Flot
do on the field that we don't even have to
communicate on. You know, he's just gonna see me do something.
I see him do something, and I'm used to seeing
him do that, so I know how to play off
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of it.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Once you get a new guy in there, it's kind
of you know, you play a little bit slower. You know,
not not just because you're worried about them, but that's
just that's just the nature of the game. You're gonna
play a little bit slower because you're not used to
playing with that guy. So it's definitely difficult, but it's
not impossible. We're professionals for a reason, so you know,
we could definitely have been way better at that making
sure that you know, we're ready to go with anybody
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who's in there. But yeah, it's definitely difficult just bringing
in new guys every week at that position, very important
positions especially.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
We talked about the team, let's talk about you. When
you've I know, it's midway point of the season, that's
not really a mid point anymore. It was the seventeen games.
When you look back at how this year has gone
for you personally so far, what have you seen when
you've kind of reviewed yourself on tape?
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Man, I feel like I've been been a little up
and down honestly, you know, not not having you know,
exactly a year I want. But you know, I mean
I feel like that's that's a part of the process,
and you know, I'm learning. You know, there's still things
that you know, I still got to go through, still
got to learn, still got to mess up in order
to you know, get.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
To be the player that I want to be.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
But you know, I got great coaches, great teammates, that
you know, keep believing in me and keep pushing me
to be great and you know, keep going.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
What are the things that you're really trying to focus
in on that maybe we're disappointed in that you're trying
to really firm up, get better, and make more consistent
for the rest.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Of the year.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Man, Just just making sure I'm you know, always being
a guy that can save today, you know, whenever whether
a run breaks out or you know, we might have
a coverage bus. You know, being that guy that's safety.
You know what I mean This safety being able to
you know, put the cap on save today at the
end of the day and do my job consistently. I
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think that's that's the biggest thing that I'm focusing on.
And getting the football.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I think that makes sense. So let's like I said,
why do you think the defense hasn't been able to
take the football as much? To take away the football
as much as year? I know that was a big
focus for you guys coming off of last year when
I think I think you had three interceptions last year,
you wanted to get more. Why do you think that
hasn't come together as a team as much as you
would have liked this year?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
I feel like it's kind of hard to tell right now,
you know, because you're in the middle of it. It's
kind of hard to you know, take a step back
and and see it from a wide angle. But the
season is not over, and you know, I'm still very
confident in our group that you know, we're we're gonna
get get our hands on the ball very soon.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
You talked about being the safety and the lot of
the lines. The Bears they want to make explosive plays.
I say the lines, but Ben Johnson came for the
Lions where they're trying to make explosive plays, right, and
that's what they're trying to do. And we talked about
the run game in the past game, the way he
marries them together, the play action, and then they try
to make big plays down the field. So it's a safety.
You combine their power run game, their big play run game,
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and then Kayler Williams can hold it that can open
things up. You got to perspect the run. You got speed,
deep sized guys downfield. As a safety, what are some
of the things that you think about and worry about
every play when you know how well Ben Johnson links
the run in the pass and uses play action at
a big personnel.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
So well, yeah, I think the main focus that you
got to have, especially as a safety, it's just eye
discipline because he's gonna make everything look the same, So
there's not really a beat that you can get too
much pre snap of what the play is going to be.
You just gotta be able to see the differences in all, right,
if he take this a step this way, it's run.
If you take step this way or back, you know,
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it's play action, you know what I mean. So just
having an eye discipline and being able to see that,
because that's exactly what they want you to do. That's
why they motion and jets so much so that your
eyes go from your key to oh wow, there's a jet.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Come hut, hut. You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Now you're you're not too focused on your on your
key and he's already flashing back.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
He's already you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
So that's that's kind of their offense as a whole,
is just making sure that your eyes are not in
the right place.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And then two tight ends that can block and catch,
by the way, which is you know you guys on offense,
did that on you're not watching Giants tape, but when
you would Bellinger and Theo Johnson the throat of the
run game, both guys can catch it. They have the
same thing with command and love one right.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Yeah, I think it's it's super tough, and I think
it's something that you know, we're used to seeing obviously
with with THEO and and Belly in there.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Uh, stuff that we've seen in all camp. But that's
what makes it super hard, because you know, you can't
have like a guy like you know, man hurts. You know,
you come come in and you're like, oh wow, it's
a run. It's a run because he's in there.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
But you know, both those guys they're they're incredible, incredible
tight ends.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Man.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Both of them can make all the catches and they're
both really physical in the run game.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
All right, and last question, and you mentioned I discipline,
So all En tier, I'm not sure any team runs
more trick plays than the Chicago bears CALEA williams our
Buddy Dan Salmon upstarts pulled. This first time a quarterback
had more than one reception in the game, I think
since the fifties or something like that. Yeah, So they
do crazy stuff as a safety and again we talk
about it last line of defense. When they do trick plays,
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you're the guy they're targeting. You're the guy they want
to mess up so they can get an ad R
touchdown catch? Do you review their prior trick plays? Like
a lot of these things are unique, so there's no
film on them. How do you get ready for an
offense that runs so many gadgets and trick plays?
Speaker 6 (15:25):
Man?
Speaker 5 (15:25):
I mean you really can't. Honestly, You just gotta be
keen and really all on your keys every single play,
and you gotta know the situations that they're they're gonna
run them in, so you know, there's there's definitely certain
situations that you can get a key on as to
all right, you know, trick play might come here.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Like midfield second and short.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Right second and short you know, down the score, you
know what I mean? That's those are things that you
can anticipate. But I don't think there's any any way
to really like tell all right, they're gonna run the
trick play here. You just you gotta play it.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I appreciate Nuben Johnson the podcast. You thank you so
much for joining us.
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attention to the Giants' opponents this week, the Chicago Bears
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in to talk about them from the Chicago Tribune Brad Biggs.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Brad, what's going on?
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Man? Well, the Bears have had a little bit of
success this season. They've got the fan base pretty fired up.
And I will say that the first year coach Ben
Jonson has done a pretty nice job to this point
in the season.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, on track for the first quarterback with over four
thousand yards and Bears history, And I guess we'll start there,
Brad on offense. It looks like your skill position guys
are all getting pretty healthy. Anyone that we should be
keeping an eye on heading up the game time on Sunday,
And even if guys are playing, is anyone maybe playing
a little bit hampered? I know Romadoonese played last week
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wasn't really productive. So what should we be keeping an
eye in terms of the injury front with all those
Bears skill position guys at tight end, wide receiver, and
running back.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Yeah, that's a good question. Denze's been bothered a little
bit by a heel, but I think he was more
bothered by d J. Turner, the Bengals cornerback last week.
One of the few promising young players on that Bengals
defense that the Bears encountered. But they've got plenty of options.
Kyle Manungai, the Rutgers product, broke out last week with
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al I think it was about one hundred and seventy
six yards rushing. So it'll be interesting to see if
DeAndre Swift, who it looks like he's tracking toward playing
after missing last week with the groin injury that's bothered
him almost most of the season. It'll be interesting to
see if both are available, How the playing time is
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divided by Ben Johnson for the two running backs. I
mean you have to imagine it's some type of backfield
share and game situation and game flow will dictate a
little bit of it. But how does Ben Johnson deploys
two running backs?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
How about the offensive line?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
To talk about what's going on at left tackle? Have
the Bears come close to trying to figure that out?
Is it's still a work in progress? And how has
the rest of that line come together with the way
Ben Johnson is using them?
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Yeah, left tackle is an issue that I don't know
that they're going to solve in season here. That could
be something that is at the top of the to
do list heading then of the offseason. They're playing THEO
Benedett there right now, who is an undrafted free agent
a year ago out of the University of British Columbia.
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He's the first UBC player I've seen playing for the
Bears in twenty five years of covering the team. But
you know what, talking to the O line coach and
some of the other assistants, they feel like it's arrow
up for him each week. Is it this incremental step
forward necessarily? No, is the degree of difficulty going to
(19:24):
be ratcheted up on Sunday against the Giants, You bet
it is. And he's there for right now. They had
Braxton Jones, a veteran there. Braxton's on ir with a
knee injury. Right now, They've got a second round pick
out of Boston College, Azzie Trapillo, who's kind of the
swing tackle right now. So that's sort of a week
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by week proposition for him. Unless theo Benedette that the
Canadian makes a huge jump forward in the remainder of
the season, it's probably at the top of their offseason
shopping list.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Where have you seen the most improvement from Caleb Williams
this year and where maybe even if have you seen
him make progress as the season has gone along.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
I think the most improvement he's made is just being
a little more comfortable playing on time, playing from the pocket,
being on schedule, and there's still a ton of room
for growth in that area for Caleb. But from the
start of the season and now too, I'd say he's
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had a lot better command of things pre snap. Yet
it still needs to get a ton better. Like you
go back to training camp and the Bears would have
difficulty getting out of the huddle on time, getting to
the line of scrimmage, getting guys lined up in the
right spot. So some of that stuff was still an
issue early in the season. They've got sixteen false starts,
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which is way too many. Nine of those false starts
have come in three games at Soldier Field, like, so
it's not opponent crowd noise that's forcing them to jump.
It's some of its cadence issues with the quarterback. So
that's something to watch here Sunday. Can the Bears clean
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up some of their penalty issues because they have been
one of the most penalized teams in the entire league.
I would imagine they're still like the net penalty difference
yards against the Bears yards against Bears opponents that was
number one in the league by a wide margin, and
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a lot of that has been stuff that they should
just be able to clean up.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
In terms of calebs, see if you can square their
circle for me, Brad right now, I saw a stat
where if the season ended today in the next gen
stats era, he'd have the longest average time to throw
of any quarterback in that era. But at the same time,
the sack rate is not bad he does a great
job of avoiding pressure. Is that just his natural ability
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to scramble and his instincts? How have the bear has
been able to kind of not get killed giving up
a bunch of sacks even though he has held the
ball back there a bunch.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Yeah, he's held the ball, But I think he's been
better at it than he was a year ago, you know.
And I'm glad you brought that up because they have
cut their sack rate in half. I it was eregious
last year. It was close to eleven percent. They've taken
that thing and they've cut it in half. So the
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time to throw thing, I personally think that can be
not always, but in a lot of cases can be
one of the most misleading statistics out there. Like, yeah,
he's got more time to throw because he's got an
ability to keep a play alive that not a whole
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lot of other quarterbacks have. Right, Jackson darts the same way. Yep,
Josh Allen can do that kind of thing. Mahomes when
he wants to write, there's a there's a group of
guys that can do that. So in some instances that's
a great thing. In other instances it's not a good
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thing because it means your quarterback or your offense isn't
able to get through the progressions one to two or
even a three and get the ball out on time.
So I try to you know, I'll look at those
numbers with time to throw in some of that stuff.
But man, the people who have a cause that they
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want to advance or drive home, that's one of those
first stats they take and they use it whichever direction
they want to go.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, and Brad, to your point at the top of
that board every year in the NFL is Lamar Jackson,
Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, right, because they move around the lot.
You're absolutely right about one hundred percent. What should I
make of this offense? And I guess maybe the Bears
team overall, Brad, Before I get to the defense, they've
had a lot of their five and three, they've had
a lot of success, but they've done it against some
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of the worst defenses in the league, right, the Cowboys,
the Bengals, the Commanders, and then they've two wins against
the Raiders and Saints. Those teams have struggled this year too.
So what should I make of this offense? Given the
opponents and the team where I think they've played well.
They've been exciting to watch, But do you really know
what this team is yet?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Given how the season's gone.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
I think you're still learning about him a little bit,
and I think they're learning about themselves a little bit.
But I tell you this much, Ben Jonson, for being
this offensive architect, act and stuff, he really likes to
run the football like he spends He'll tell you he
spends more time in play design and study and game
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planning and scheming for running the football than he does
throwing it. Like that, and he's a former quarterback, but man,
it is grounded and rooted in that running game, and
so he saw him get going against Cincinnati last week.
I know the Giants have had a difficult time this
season stopped in the run, so I think it all
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begins there. But I think it's natural the question where
these guys are going to be at offensively because of
some of the teams that have been on their schedule,
And as is the case sometimes in the National Football League,
it's not who you play, but it's when you play them.
You know they played. They seemingly had a great opportunity
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against Baltimore with Lamar out and they lost to Tyler Huntley.
Then they play Cincinnati with Joe Burrow out and boy,
they almost you know, they almost got caught with their
hand in the fire because Flaco went bonkers, especially there
near the end of the game. So they're still kind of,
I think, figuring out who they are. But oftensively, a
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lot of what they're doing is is really foundational to
the running game, and the quarterback Kayleb Williams, with his
athletic ability, can just kind of add to that. Hasn't
been every week okay, but has shown an ability to
really like I think he's faster now. I honestly think
he's faster now as a runner than he was last season.
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Like he's one of those guys that at age twenty
three or something was able to make himself faster.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Interesting, all right, let's jump to the defensive side of
the ball here, and you know you talked about it
an offense explosive plays in the run game, then they
run play actual they want explosive plays in the passing game.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Well, the defense has given.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Up a bunch of explosive plays, but they've made a
bunch of big plays with the takeaways.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
We know Dennis Allen.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
He has a long history, you know, being with the
Saints and the type of defense they run there. What
is this Giants offense going to see on the field
when they take on the Bears defense in terms of
how they want.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
To structure things and how they want to approach it.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Yeah, I'll tell you what it's And I don't know
that I've covered a defense quite like this one, and
all the time I've been doing it because they've been
so productive in some key metrics, right, like like you
mentioned the takeaways, they've been dynamite on third down, but
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some of these other things you look at, they've been
really bad, like really bad. But it's this really good
third down defense that can't rush the quarterback. Like how usually,
you know, if you want to be pretty good on
third down or if you are pretty good on third down,
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I think generally you get after the quarterback a little bit. Well,
these guys, these guys have really struggled to get pressure
on the quarterback. I will say Montese Sweat has been
better of late. He's got a sack in three consecutive games.
He's kind of come on them a little bit. But
they're desperate for a pass rush and and they've been
getting hit with with big plays. Like you know, it
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wasn't just Flaco last week, It's happened all season. Like
Flacco had ten completions of plays that went for twenty
or more yards last week. That's a recipe for losing
almost every week in the National FOOTBA League. The Lions
bombed them back in Week two, and they've been terrible
on first down, although some of the numbers look a
little bit better if you just stripped the Detroit game
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out of it all together. But like it's just it's
kind of this odd dichotomy because they're they're so good
and in some key areas like takeaways. I mean, I
go find a defensive coach and the Giants building today
that doesn't say takeaways is the number one thing for him? Right, Well,
Bear's been fantastic at that, but some of these other
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things they're they're really struggling, and they've struggled to stop
the run. So one thing to keep an eye on.
Does TJ. Edwards the linebacker play he's listed on Andrew
report with a hand and a hamstring, and they've been
significantly better when he's been on the field this season
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than when he's been out previously. The time missed was
because of a hamstring.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Interesting. All right, final question on the defense, Brad, and
then I'll let you go. I really appreciate the time,
awesome stuff the secondary, lot of vertical stuff against the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
When I rewatched that game last week.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
We know Dennis Allen will play his fair share of
man de man defense, but I was looking at some
of the metrics. There's a lot of cover two in
there as well. Naseean Wright is a guy that got
let go by the Dallas Cowboys, and we all know
what their defense has looked like this year. But he
also in a big takeaway last week. What have been
some of the areas of weakness in that secondary of
Jackson Dart wants to attack. Where should he look in
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that secondary group where the Bears have had some issues.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Yeah, well they've been like I said, the big plays
they've come in bunches against him, Like it's been a bonanza,
big place against against Right. Uh, There's been some quarterbacks
that have had some success against Tyreek Stevenson On the
other side, although Stevenson's been better this season, the Bears
have been missing their nickel corner back Tyler Gordon for
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most of the year after making him the highest paid
nickel in football. He's got He's got like a three
pack soft tissue injuries. It's unbelievable. So that's why they
went out and got CJ. Gardner Jackson, who I'm sure
has had plenty of run ins with the Giants previously.
So there's there's plays to be made downfield looking at
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the you know, I know Mike grow from his time here.
That's got to be a tough situation to be in
as a coach, uh with with no Molik neighbors, to
kind of be the player your your at least on
the outside, your rookie quarterback can lean on a little bit.
But yeah, they've been susceptible to big plays, no question
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about that. If they as can get the pass protection
to hold up Jackson Dartle have time. What's the weather
like on Sunday, I'm not sure yet that could impact
a downfield passing game.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I lied by one more quick one. I'm gonna watch
them myself later today. What do these takeaways look like?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
You know, basy The takeaways can come in different forms, right,
We know they have a bunch of plays where they're
knocking the ball out. But are these interceptions plays where
the quarterbacks is making bad throws? Are the Bears jumping routes?
Are they deflections? How have the Bears been able to
create this many takeaways?
Speaker 6 (31:33):
Yeah, it's a little bit everything for mein Edmonds, I'll
give him credit. They paid him huge money, like you know,
three years ago in free agency, basically to replace Rokwan
Smith and the big plays, the splash plays, the momentum
changing plays were few and far between the first two years.
He's been making them this year and it's been reading
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stuff underneath of being in the right place. Kevin Bayered
the safety, it's been uh, sort of laying a trap
for like he picked up Geno Smith twice. He's got
four interceptions this season where it was just kind of
laying a trap over the middle for Gino and Gino's
played a lot of football. He took the bait both times.
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So it's been heads up plays like that. There there's
been a deflection in there, a little a little bit
of a little bit of everything. And when when they
get extra possessions for that offense, they can be really dangerous.
Uh So we'll we'll see because I think, and I
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haven't seen the Giants much, but Dart's dont a pretty
good job at least to protecting the football, right yep, absolutely, yeah,
Which is that, like that's one of those pitfalls that
rookie quarterbacks can fall into in a in a heartbeat,
in an instant and really you know, crush the team's
chance for uh success. So it's it's been could play
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across the board and byered in Edmonds. Like I said,
they've got four picks each for a defense that leads
the league in the category.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Brad, tell the folks where you you'll find your great work.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
If Giant fans want to get a feel for what
they're running into in Chicago against the Bears on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
Well I'm on Twitter at Brad Biggs and you can
find me at the Chicago Tribune.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Thank you, Brad, appreciate the time you see on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Have a great day.
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good information from Brad Biggs there from the Chicago Tribune
talking about the Chicago Bears. Let's turn our attentions to
the Giants offense. I had a chance to talk to
rookie offensive tackle Marcus Bow. He started last week against
the forty nine ers. We'll see about Jamaine Luminor's peck injury.
He might have a chance to play again this week.
Here's Marcus. All right, now we're joined my Giants offensive
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tackle Marcus. Well, Marcus, So you've had a chance to
play significantly time in three games.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Now, how do you think it's gone so far for
you this year?
Speaker 9 (34:07):
I feel like it's been solid, you know, good opportunities
to get out there and get better at my craft,
get live refs when bullets are fine.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
You know.
Speaker 9 (34:16):
I think it's been good, good opportunities and to keep
trying to make.
Speaker 8 (34:20):
The best of them.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I know we talked in the preseason about it after
you got a lot of time, and we do Andrew
wasn't going to start the year. What has been different
about the regular season as compared to what you saw
in training camp? In the preseason.
Speaker 9 (34:31):
Uh, I'd say the original like intensity. You know, going
from the first day of camp from OTAs you're like, oh,
it's a big jump, all right, and then when it
goes to OTA or camp to the regular season, it's like, oh,
it's really serious. So you see the intensity change and
you see all just everything change, you know, in terms
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of the game planning and how much you put into
it and like the overall intensity.
Speaker 10 (34:56):
So yeah, what.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Has it been having to jump from like the left
to the right side and kind of going back and forth.
Speaker 9 (35:02):
Uh, it's you know, something they asked me to do,
and it's something is a challenge for me, and I
like challenges. I mean, I haven't played left tackle before,
so you know, taking that on and trying to learn
that and trying to be the best player that I
can over there as well doing it simultaneously at the
right side, So it's cool.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Is the biggest challenge to getting the feet right switching
sides or is it getting the hand placing right and
kind of getting the punches timed up with the feet?
Speaker 8 (35:27):
Yeah, I'd say I'd probably say the just the overall
consistency of the feet, Like I feel like, you know,
I can do a good job of having a good
pass set in like good hands, but like doing it
repetitively and when there's like live scenarios or one you
need to get tired on the.
Speaker 9 (35:45):
Left side, you know, just trying to.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Clean some of those things up as you move forward.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Now, just two more questions.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
What are some of the things that you are really
locky on trying to focus on and clean up and
get better at as you've gotten more reps in these
game situations.
Speaker 8 (35:57):
My when it comes to pass protection, I feel like
keeping a base.
Speaker 10 (36:01):
And keeping uh, keep keeping myself square when it comes
to standing in my punch, just staying on my kickset
one more extra extra slide and just being more.
Speaker 9 (36:12):
Consistent with that and getting too my spot being firm there.
I'd say that's the main thing I've been trying to
focus on.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
So we don't know if your mean is going to
play this week, he's dealing with this with this peck injury,
you would be back in your comfort zone and right
tackle like you were last week. What is it about
the Bears how they rushed the past or Montese sweat
when you watch them on tape that you think is
a particular challenge.
Speaker 9 (36:32):
Uh, I mean great, great player. You know, I remember
watching Montes sweat when I was in high school what NOTO.
So it's like it's it's it's cool to think about,
you know. Now we get an opportunity to play against
somebody like that. But good player likes to go speed
to power, you know, use the length and the athleticism
that he has. And overall their front is just pretty physical,
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pretty vertical, crush procket team. So it'll be a good challenge.
We're excited to go.
Speaker 8 (37:00):
Marcus pusce ed Timment absolutely, thank you.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
He's a great kid and he is a bright future
here as a member of the Giants offensive line. Now
let's go to the voice of the Giants, Bob Papa.
He's with the head coach of the NYG Brian Dables.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
As always, were joined by the head coach of the
New York Giants, Brian Dable and coach taking out a
Bears team that's won like three of their last four
since their bye. They put a lot of points up
on the board last week against Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Are they getting does it.
Speaker 7 (37:27):
Look like, at least on tape to getting a little
bit more comfortable with a new head coach, and what
they're doing offensively, especially the quarterback and Caleb Williams.
Speaker 11 (37:35):
Yeah, I think the thing that I've noticed is they've
they've won the close games, you know, and those that
game last week against Cincinnati obviously was a wild game,
but they won the Washington game, you know, right in
the end of the fourth quarter. They won the Raiders
game the end of the fourth quarter with the black
field goal. So they're making, you know, critical plays at
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critical times to give themselves a chance to get the
outcome that they want.
Speaker 7 (38:02):
The run game obviously is important for them as well,
like every team, and even with DeAndre Swift out, they
had a rookie from Rutgers, klem Manungay run the ball well.
Last week, Coach, they added Tony to their offensive line.
Just talk a little bit about trying to deal with
what they want to do conceptually in their run game.
Speaker 11 (38:24):
Well, I think you have to know which back is
in the game. I mean, they both can run both things,
but Swift is a I would say, an elite perimeter
back who when he gets out in space, has created
a lot of big explosive plays for their team this year.
I'm talking about twelve plus runs, so the toss plays,
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you know, whether cracking receivers or whether they're blocking it
like zone. The outside zone play is a staple for
that team, and that runner, their line does a very
good job of blocking it. And you know, he's a
you know, he can run it outside, but he can
run it inside. He's got very good contact balance. He's
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a tough runner. So they really they really do a
good job of affecting the width of the entire field
in the run game, and their blocking schemes are good.
You know, again, whether it's the outside zone, whether it's
they're double teams. Their offensive line does a good job
of running off the ball, and you know that's the
you know, that's where their offense starts, is the running game,
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and then they use the play action off of it.
And they're a good screen team. That's another thing Swift
has created a lot of explosives from is the screen game.
So those are three elements that we're going to have
to do a good job of defending.
Speaker 7 (39:42):
Speaking of defending, when you go on the other side
of the ball, this is a team that really has
a knack for taking the ball away. I mean they
forced nineteen turnovers this year, six recovered fumbles and then
thirteen interceptions one return for a touchdown, Right, did it
against Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
It's gotta be.
Speaker 7 (40:03):
More than just the ball bounce in their way, right,
I mean, what do they do to create some of
these turnover opportunities?
Speaker 11 (40:10):
Yeah, I'd say when they play their zone defense, they
have zone good zone awareness. I think Edmonds, you know,
was with him and Buffalo has got very good lengths
and instincts and ball skills and he has four of them.
He made a huge one against Cincinnati that you know,
he ran back at the end of the game for
a touchdown. Then they called it back you know, touchdown.
But again, whether it's tip balls, eyes on the quarterback,
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you know, Stevenson does a good job of undercutting routes,
you know there when they play their man coverage, and
it's a it's a collective, you know, collective effort. And
you know, anytime you can have nineteen turnovers and not
turn the ball over on offense, it gives it a
pretty good recipe for wins.
Speaker 7 (40:53):
So let's talk about the offense here with Jackson Dart.
You know, I don't I don't want to jinks anything here,
but he's made a lot of really good decisions, which
is one of the reasons why the turnover number is
really good. As far as a guy who's just getting
his career going, as you work with him and as
your staff works with him every week, what is some
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of the growth that you're seeing in him each and
every week.
Speaker 11 (41:21):
He just continues to get better. He's you know, he's
a very smart young man who can really absorb all
the coaching that you give him. You know, the quarterback
is a unique position and that there's a lot of
information that they have to process, and there's a lot
of information that you have to teach, and some guys
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can handle all of it. Some guys can't. You know,
he's one of those guys that can look at it
on tape, see it in a classroom, get the coaching
points of a variety of things that happen on every play,
and be able to process it out there on the
practice field, and more importantly, process it out there on
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the game field. So you know, he's a pleasure to
work with. But he's very good in that respect relative
to you can give him the information that you think
you need to give him, and his processing has been
very good. So some guys can see it on tape
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and say they would do that in the game, can't
or don't see it. He hasn't been one of those guys.
My credit, the coaches credit him, but we need to
continue to build him and make sure we're doing things
that we think are good for him and for more
importantly for the offense.
Speaker 6 (42:43):
Coach.
Speaker 7 (42:43):
Finally, from a leadership standpoint, you know the way the
season kind of started, you know, Tracy's the starter running
back and then Scataboo gets a bigger, bigger role in
Devin Singletary's role maybe not as big, but after the
Scataboo injury, devn has kind of come in there and
really done a nice job as far as that leadership
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and just making veteran like plays. And think about the
one that he made two weeks ago. Wasn't you know
it was a tough catch. It was a fifty to
fifty ball ashes string catch he made. But is that
one of the reasons is are we seeing the exact
reason why he's so important even though like he doesn't
have off the chart numbers.
Speaker 11 (43:25):
Yeah, Dev motors a pro and he's been that way
since he's been into the league, and he's got the
opportunity to learn from some good players that he's with
veteran players and that's his mindset. He's one of those
guys that doesn't focus on anything but what he can control.
And when you have players and staff members that can
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do that and just focus on your job, focus on
the things you can control and do it with the
right mindset regardless of what's happening. Those are, you know,
the mentally tough players and the leaders that you know
you cover it on a football team, and he's certainly
one of them.
Speaker 7 (44:08):
Coach, We appreciate a couple of minutes today, good luck,
and we'll do it again next week.
Speaker 11 (44:12):
Niics Pop.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
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Welcome to another edition of the Gihns Little Podcast. Our
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we have Bob Poppo with head coach of the Giants,
Brian Dable. I do my preview with the Bears with
Brad Biggs. I'm gonna have a quick interview with Marcus
bow who may get the start for Jamaine Lumino again
at right tackle. But we're gonna lead things off with
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our long player interview, and that's going to be my
conversation with Giants safety Tyler Nuban. We touched on a
lot of stuff, including his performance this year, the defense,
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New What's going on.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Man, it's good to talk to you. I'm always a pleasure.
So you're going home little in Chicago, So now you
play in Northwestern? Is this like your first like home
home game though playing in Chicago?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Honestly, yes, for sure.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Northwestern we played there a couple of times, but didn't
have too many people there because you know, late in
the season, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And it's not like in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
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Too many?
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Man?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Upwards of twenty for sure?
Speaker 6 (01:25):
Really?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, yeah, all right?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Is it like what like what are the emotions going
on playing there? Is it like excitement?
Speaker 6 (01:32):
Is like?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Man?
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Honestly, I've been thinking about this game for a long
time just because you know, I remember growing up, you know,
my my pops taking me to Bears games, you know,
being up there at Soldier Field, and you know, my
first memory ever, you know being in there is telling
my dad, man, I'm going to be down there one day,
And you know, my dad was like, man, I think
you think you are going to be down there one day.
I'm like six six, five six years old at this time,
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and he's like, man, it's gonna take a lot to
get there. You like, you know, it's gonna take hard words, Okay, dedication.
You know, he kind of mapped it out for me,
and you know, I took it to heart and I
believed it, and honestly, it's gonna be definitely a welcome
to the NFL, you know moment.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
For me, like when it finally like sings in, like dang,
like I really made.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
It, dude, that's awesome. Did you go up a Bears fan?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I did? Yeah, I did.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Unfortunately, Yeah, there wasn't a whole lot of joy.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So and they're welcoming home in the proper Chicago way.
We might get snow like you played in Minnesota. So
you know we're chatting before we started. This is like
nothing to you, but are you kind of looking forward
to like playing in that like Midwest weather.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Definitely.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I love playing it call way Bear than playing it hot.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
All right, so let's talk about this game. In the matchup,
you have a lot of connections with a lot of
these guys and the Bears you're in the draft class
with with both Rome and Caleb. Right in college you
played against both Money and Guy and Loveland Rutgers in Michigan.
So let's start with their passing game first. Caleb Williams,
when you watch them on tape, you did not play
him in college, But from what you know about him,
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what are the things that you guys gotta do to
kind of deal with his special skills and correct me
if you think I'm wrong. Just ridiculous arm talent. And
once he gets moving and he could be rolling left
and he throws back to the side of the field,
the ball can go anywhere right.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Like you said, he's got incredible arm talent. Man, I
think he can make every single throw on the field.
There's not a throw that they don't trust him to make.
You know, they do a lot of those you know sales,
you know come back to the field and he's he's
firing them. So, uh, he's definitely got a crazy arm talent.
But I think the thing that makes the most dangerous
is just his ability extend plays. So you got to
defend not just the first play, but the second play
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because once he breaks the pocket, they're really good at
they're scrambled rules, guys, getting open you know, guys, you know,
making sure they're giving just a little bit of space
and you know Caleb's gonna be able to put that
in there.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
So it's definitely gonna be a challenge, but it's gonna
be fun.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
Throw.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I was thinking about one to Dj Moore a couple
of weeks ago, and his roll to his left danced
around then he kind of just threw it to more
right over the shoulder. Unbelievable throw. And then they have
different weapons, right I mentioned Dj Moore, Then you're roma Duns.
He's kind of your bigger receiver than the tight ends
that can catch it. Even zakais their their third wide receiver.
He's had a really good year this year. But what
is Yeah, all those guys, what is about the variety
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of their weapons in the passing game that makes their
passing attack dangerous?
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Then there are a lot of different guys that can
do different things. Like you said Dj Moore, he's kind
of like a running back in the receiver body. Uh,
you know, Gad your guy you know, can do everything
but can still take you deep and you know, uh
make those fifty fifty catches.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Rome.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Uh, he's definitely got a bigger receiver, but he can
run every single route.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
So they definitely. They got a lot of versatile guys.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
And you know, one thing that I will commend them on,
they're they're very physical in the run game.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
All the receivers, they're willing blockers.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
You know, they're definitely gonna, you know, get dirty in there,
and you know they're not afraid to you know, uh,
go in there and throw a shoulder, throw some hands
in the run game.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
But you mentioned the run game. Let's get to that next.
They didn't have DeAndre Swift last week. Kyle Munning, guy
the rookie out of rutglers, steps in there and he
pushes for one hundred and seventy five yards. Look great
doing it too. Give you a little scattered report on him.
I looked up you played him in your junior year.
I believe in Minnesota really productive running back in college.
What are the things that maybe he and Swift do
a little bit differently, but what do they do maybe
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similarly just based on how they work their rue game?
Speaker 5 (05:08):
I think definitely they're they're both really really great vision guys.
They can make every single cut, you know they're going
one way, and a lot of their offenses, you know,
outside stretch zones that can cut back and can cut up,
giving these guys the ability to use their talents and
what their best at which is, you know, I think
is finding those creases and putting their foot in the
ground and getting north.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
So that's what makes it.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Like really really hard because you never know where they're
gonna cut it up because both of them are really
good at that, you know, finding those creases.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
So that's what I think.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
You know, both of them do really well, and you know,
both bigger guys, and they run hard.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
You mentioned the outside runs. That's something that at times
the last couple weeks have given your defense some issues. Right,
What are some of the things that you guys when
you look back and down looking ahead to the Bears,
that you need to do better on some of those
outside runs, whether again it's the outside zone, it's the
pin pos stuff, whatever the type of scheme it is.
What do you guys need to do better to prevent
some of those explosive plays which the Bears are so
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good at getting on those outside runs.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Things just playing team football, man, and just trusting and
knowing where the guys in front of you are going
to be and going to shoot your gun, not being hesitant,
you know, and letting those guys on the offensive end,
you know, come and come and knock you off because
you know, those outside runs, a lot of those linemen
they're they're running and they're they're running fast, and they're
they're coming on the B line most times they are
going to have a leverage on us. So, you know,
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getting over playing the gap in the half, being able
to be physical and be downhill, and trusting the guys
in front of you that they're going to do their
job so you can play faster in New York, so
not everybody's you know, hesitating and waiting to see where
the ball is going to go, you know, just everybody
going downhill and attacking.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, I was gonna ask you about that because people
talk about tackling. Obviously that's really important, but when you
talk about angles and getting to the area fast you
don't get blocked. How much of that is having confidence
that you know where you have to insert based on
what's going on in front of you. With the first
two levels of the defense too.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
It's everything. I think knowing where you're going is more important.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Than actually getting there because you can play that much faster,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Once you know that you know my three techniques is
going to play over this back block. I know that
I'm not worried about the ball potentially going and spilling
out front side. So now I can play back, and
I can play behind the ball, and I can be
lying right to his back hip and I know he's
probably gonna cut back right to me. So things like that,
you know a little nuances in our defense where you
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know we're playing certain things and if you know where
your guy's gonna be, you can just play that much faster.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
How can stuff like that make you either look late
or make an angle look bad just because maybe some
little detail in how the front's supposed to be played
and how you're reacting off of that. How much can
that make those other two things look off?
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Right?
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
One hundred percent?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Like everything, I think, especially for my position safety, you know,
we're the last line of defense.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
So you know on the TV copy, you know when.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
The run breaks and you know we're not there, and
you know, maybe I'm a little hesitant because you know
something happens up front that you know I wasn't expecting
that that honestly like that, that plays a huge part
into it. And you know that's what they're going to
see on the TV copy. Obviously they don't, you know, announcers,
you know, people don't know, you know, exactly what the
defensive scheme is going to be.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Right, exactly exactly.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
So so that's that's why things can look like, oh, man, like,
it looks like, you know, he wasn't in his spot.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
You know, he wasn't in his spot.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
He was supposed to be here, but uh, there's so
much that goes into it, and when not everybody's on
the same page, that's what it looks like.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
And even just things like leverage and attacking the inside
shoulder versity outside shoulder, little things like that can make
all the difference. When you have you know, Michael mcfatten
was there, he gets hurt. Dar's moose as a Now
he's hurt, and now the corner is even too, right,
being forced players on the edge, guy's moving in and out.
That can change all those angles.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Right, It's on all of us to to make sure
that we're getting ourselves prepared for those type of things,
especially with the person other we have right now, and
knowing that you know, there's guys shifting in and out
of the lineup, you just gotta be great, you know,
as a unit, just making sure that you know, we're
really emphasizing exactly where everybody's supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Now, we're recording this on Thursday, so we don't know,
but we have seen Javon Holland back on the practice
field this week. Cordo flops back on the practice field.
What do you mean to the defense? Having those guys
back out there with you?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
It'll be huge, man. They're both huge playmakers for us.
Man I called flap miss are.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Consistent because you know, he just he just does it
week in and week out, man, And you know it's
it's a sense of calm when when he's out there,
because you know, you know what you're gonna get from him.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
And then Javon, you know.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
He's he's an incredible player. Man, He's a game changer.
So having them both back would would definitely be great.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
What was the challenge trying to work with so many
different pieces? Obviously Dan is someone that you've worked with
a lot. I'm sure that wasn't that different, right, But
when you throw that in, then you're throwing you know,
Corey Black who's here as a late round pick, he
leaves he comes back, you know, Deontae coming in and out.
What was it like trying to get all you guys
on the same page the last couple of weeks, especially
even the old that Broncos game, Right, you guys go
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down the middle of the game to trying to figure
things out in the fourth quarter, trying to get you
get yourselves in sync, given we know how the defense
really has to play on a string and playing together.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Yeah, it's tough, man, I mean, this this sport. It's
really hard to just roll the decks guys in, especially
when you don't know their play style, how they're gonna play.
You know, there's certain things you know, me and Flot
do on the field that we don't even have to
communicate on. You know, he's just gonna see me do something.
I see him do something, and I'm used to seeing
him do that, so I know how to play off
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of it.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Once you get a new guy in there, it's kind
of you know, you play a little bit slower. You know,
not not just because you're worried about them, but that's
just that's just the nature of the game. You're gonna
play a little bit slower because you're not used to
playing with that guy. So it's definitely difficult, but it's
not impossible. We're professionals for a reason, so you know,
we could definitely have been way better at that making
sure that you know, we're ready to go with anybody
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who's in there. But yeah, it's definitely difficult just bringing
in new guys every week at that position, very important
positions especially.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
We talked about the team, let's talk about you. When
you've I know, it's midway point of the season, that's
not really a mid point anymore. It was the seventeen games.
When you look back at how this year has gone
for you personally so far, what have you seen when
you've kind of reviewed yourself on tape?
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Man, I feel like I've been been a little up
and down honestly, you know, not not having you know,
exactly a year I want. But you know, I mean
I feel like that's that's a part of the process,
and you know, I'm learning. You know, there's still things
that you know, I still got to go through, still
got to learn, still got to mess up in order
to you know, get.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
To be the player that I want to be.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
But you know, I got great coaches, great teammates, that
you know, keep believing in me and keep pushing me
to be great and you know, keep going.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
What are the things that you're really trying to focus
in on that maybe we're disappointed in that you're trying
to really firm up, get better, and make more consistent
for the rest.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Of the year.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Man, Just just making sure I'm you know, always being
a guy that can save today, you know, whenever whether
a run breaks out or you know, we might have
a coverage bus. You know, being that guy that's safety.
You know what I mean This safety being able to
you know, put the cap on save today at the
end of the day and do my job consistently. I
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think that's that's the biggest thing that I'm focusing on.
And getting the football.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I think that makes sense. So let's like I said,
why do you think the defense hasn't been able to
take the football as much? To take away the football
as much as year? I know that was a big
focus for you guys coming off of last year when
I think I think you had three interceptions last year,
you wanted to get more. Why do you think that
hasn't come together as a team as much as you
would have liked this year?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
I feel like it's kind of hard to tell right now,
you know, because you're in the middle of it. It's
kind of hard to you know, take a step back
and and see it from a wide angle. But the
season is not over, and you know, I'm still very
confident in our group that you know, we're we're gonna
get get our hands on the ball very soon.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
You talked about being the safety and the lot of
the lines. The Bears they want to make explosive plays.
I say the lines, but Ben Johnson came for the
Lions where they're trying to make explosive plays, right, and
that's what they're trying to do. And we talked about
the run game in the past game, the way he
marries them together, the play action, and then they try
to make big plays down the field. So it's a safety.
You combine their power run game, their big play run game,
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and then Kayler Williams can hold it that can open
things up. You got to perspect the run. You got speed,
deep sized guys downfield. As a safety, what are some
of the things that you think about and worry about
every play when you know how well Ben Johnson links
the run in the pass and uses play action at
a big personnel.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
So well, yeah, I think the main focus that you
got to have, especially as a safety, it's just eye
discipline because he's gonna make everything look the same, So
there's not really a beat that you can get too
much pre snap of what the play is going to be.
You just gotta be able to see the differences in all, right,
if he take this a step this way, it's run.
If you take step this way or back, you know,
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it's play action, you know what I mean. So just
having an eye discipline and being able to see that,
because that's exactly what they want you to do. That's
why they motion and jets so much so that your
eyes go from your key to oh wow, there's a jet.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Come hut, hut. You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Now you're you're not too focused on your on your
key and he's already flashing back.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
He's already you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
So that's that's kind of their offense as a whole,
is just making sure that your eyes are not in
the right place.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And then two tight ends that can block and catch,
by the way, which is you know you guys on offense,
did that on you're not watching Giants tape, but when
you would Bellinger and Theo Johnson the throat of the
run game, both guys can catch it. They have the
same thing with command and love one right.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Yeah, I think it's it's super tough, and I think
it's something that you know, we're used to seeing obviously
with with THEO and and Belly in there.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Uh, stuff that we've seen in all camp. But that's
what makes it super hard, because you know, you can't
have like a guy like you know, man hurts. You know,
you come come in and you're like, oh wow, it's
a run. It's a run because he's in there.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
But you know, both those guys they're they're incredible, incredible
tight ends.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Man.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Both of them can make all the catches and they're
both really physical in the run game.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
All right, and last question, and you mentioned I discipline,
So all En tier, I'm not sure any team runs
more trick plays than the Chicago bears CALEA williams our
Buddy Dan Salmon upstarts pulled. This first time a quarterback
had more than one reception in the game, I think
since the fifties or something like that. Yeah, So they
do crazy stuff as a safety and again we talk
about it last line of defense. When they do trick plays,
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you're the guy they're targeting. You're the guy they want
to mess up so they can get an ad R
touchdown catch? Do you review their prior trick plays? Like
a lot of these things are unique, so there's no
film on them. How do you get ready for an
offense that runs so many gadgets and trick plays?
Speaker 6 (15:25):
Man?
Speaker 5 (15:25):
I mean you really can't. Honestly, You just gotta be
keen and really all on your keys every single play,
and you gotta know the situations that they're they're gonna
run them in, so you know, there's there's definitely certain
situations that you can get a key on as to
all right, you know, trick play might come here.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Like midfield second and short.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Right second and short you know, down the score, you
know what I mean? That's those are things that you
can anticipate. But I don't think there's any any way
to really like tell all right, they're gonna run the
trick play here. You just you gotta play it.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
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in to talk about them from the Chicago Tribune Brad Biggs.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Brad, what's going on?
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Man? Well, the Bears have had a little bit of
success this season. They've got the fan base pretty fired up.
And I will say that the first year coach Ben
Jonson has done a pretty nice job to this point
in the season.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, on track for the first quarterback with over four
thousand yards and Bears history, And I guess we'll start there,
Brad on offense. It looks like your skill position guys
are all getting pretty healthy. Anyone that we should be
keeping an eye on heading up the game time on Sunday,
And even if guys are playing, is anyone maybe playing
a little bit hampered? I know Romadoonese played last week
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wasn't really productive. So what should we be keeping an
eye in terms of the injury front with all those
Bears skill position guys at tight end, wide receiver, and
running back.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Yeah, that's a good question. Denze's been bothered a little
bit by a heel, but I think he was more
bothered by d J. Turner, the Bengals cornerback last week.
One of the few promising young players on that Bengals
defense that the Bears encountered. But they've got plenty of options.
Kyle Manungai, the Rutgers product, broke out last week with
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al I think it was about one hundred and seventy
six yards rushing. So it'll be interesting to see if
DeAndre Swift, who it looks like he's tracking toward playing
after missing last week with the groin injury that's bothered
him almost most of the season. It'll be interesting to
see if both are available, How the playing time is
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divided by Ben Johnson for the two running backs. I
mean you have to imagine it's some type of backfield
share and game situation and game flow will dictate a
little bit of it. But how does Ben Johnson deploys
two running backs?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
How about the offensive line?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
To talk about what's going on at left tackle? Have
the Bears come close to trying to figure that out?
Is it's still a work in progress? And how has
the rest of that line come together with the way
Ben Johnson is using them?
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Yeah, left tackle is an issue that I don't know
that they're going to solve in season here. That could
be something that is at the top of the to
do list heading then of the offseason. They're playing THEO
Benedett there right now, who is an undrafted free agent
a year ago out of the University of British Columbia.
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He's the first UBC player I've seen playing for the
Bears in twenty five years of covering the team. But
you know what, talking to the O line coach and
some of the other assistants, they feel like it's arrow
up for him each week. Is it this incremental step
forward necessarily? No, is the degree of difficulty going to
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be ratcheted up on Sunday against the Giants, You bet
it is. And he's there for right now. They had
Braxton Jones, a veteran there. Braxton's on ir with a
knee injury. Right now, They've got a second round pick
out of Boston College, Azzie Trapillo, who's kind of the
swing tackle right now. So that's sort of a week
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by week proposition for him. Unless theo Benedette that the
Canadian makes a huge jump forward in the remainder of
the season, it's probably at the top of their offseason
shopping list.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Where have you seen the most improvement from Caleb Williams
this year and where maybe even if have you seen
him make progress as the season has gone along.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
I think the most improvement he's made is just being
a little more comfortable playing on time, playing from the pocket,
being on schedule, and there's still a ton of room
for growth in that area for Caleb. But from the
start of the season and now too, I'd say he's
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had a lot better command of things pre snap. Yet
it still needs to get a ton better. Like you
go back to training camp and the Bears would have
difficulty getting out of the huddle on time, getting to
the line of scrimmage, getting guys lined up in the
right spot. So some of that stuff was still an
issue early in the season. They've got sixteen false starts,
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which is way too many. Nine of those false starts
have come in three games at Soldier Field, like, so
it's not opponent crowd noise that's forcing them to jump.
It's some of its cadence issues with the quarterback. So
that's something to watch here Sunday. Can the Bears clean
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up some of their penalty issues because they have been
one of the most penalized teams in the entire league.
I would imagine they're still like the net penalty difference
yards against the Bears yards against Bears opponents that was
number one in the league by a wide margin, and
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a lot of that has been stuff that they should
just be able to clean up.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
In terms of calebs, see if you can square their
circle for me, Brad right now, I saw a stat
where if the season ended today in the next gen
stats era, he'd have the longest average time to throw
of any quarterback in that era. But at the same time,
the sack rate is not bad he does a great
job of avoiding pressure. Is that just his natural ability
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to scramble and his instincts? How have the bear has
been able to kind of not get killed giving up
a bunch of sacks even though he has held the
ball back there a bunch.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Yeah, he's held the ball, But I think he's been
better at it than he was a year ago, you know.
And I'm glad you brought that up because they have
cut their sack rate in half. I it was eregious
last year. It was close to eleven percent. They've taken
that thing and they've cut it in half. So the
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time to throw thing, I personally think that can be
not always, but in a lot of cases can be
one of the most misleading statistics out there. Like, yeah,
he's got more time to throw because he's got an
ability to keep a play alive that not a whole
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lot of other quarterbacks have. Right, Jackson darts the same way. Yep,
Josh Allen can do that kind of thing. Mahomes when
he wants to write, there's a there's a group of
guys that can do that. So in some instances that's
a great thing. In other instances it's not a good
(23:15):
thing because it means your quarterback or your offense isn't
able to get through the progressions one to two or
even a three and get the ball out on time.
So I try to you know, I'll look at those
numbers with time to throw in some of that stuff.
But man, the people who have a cause that they
(23:38):
want to advance or drive home, that's one of those
first stats they take and they use it whichever direction
they want to go.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, and Brad, to your point at the top of
that board every year in the NFL is Lamar Jackson,
Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, right, because they move around the lot.
You're absolutely right about one hundred percent. What should I
make of this offense? And I guess maybe the Bears
team overall, Brad, Before I get to the defense, they've
had a lot of their five and three, they've had
a lot of success, but they've done it against some
(24:06):
of the worst defenses in the league, right, the Cowboys,
the Bengals, the Commanders, and then they've two wins against
the Raiders and Saints. Those teams have struggled this year too.
So what should I make of this offense? Given the
opponents and the team where I think they've played well.
They've been exciting to watch, But do you really know
what this team is yet?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Given how the season's gone.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
I think you're still learning about him a little bit,
and I think they're learning about themselves a little bit.
But I tell you this much, Ben Jonson, for being
this offensive architect, act and stuff, he really likes to
run the football like he spends He'll tell you he
spends more time in play design and study and game
(24:54):
planning and scheming for running the football than he does
throwing it. Like that, and he's a former quarterback, but man,
it is grounded and rooted in that running game, and
so he saw him get going against Cincinnati last week.
I know the Giants have had a difficult time this
season stopped in the run, so I think it all
(25:16):
begins there. But I think it's natural the question where
these guys are going to be at offensively because of
some of the teams that have been on their schedule,
And as is the case sometimes in the National Football League,
it's not who you play, but it's when you play them.
You know they played. They seemingly had a great opportunity
(25:38):
against Baltimore with Lamar out and they lost to Tyler Huntley.
Then they play Cincinnati with Joe Burrow out and boy,
they almost you know, they almost got caught with their
hand in the fire because Flaco went bonkers, especially there
near the end of the game. So they're still kind of,
I think, figuring out who they are. But oftensively, a
(26:00):
lot of what they're doing is is really foundational to
the running game, and the quarterback Kayleb Williams, with his
athletic ability, can just kind of add to that. Hasn't
been every week okay, but has shown an ability to
really like I think he's faster now. I honestly think
he's faster now as a runner than he was last season.
(26:23):
Like he's one of those guys that at age twenty
three or something was able to make himself faster.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Interesting, all right, let's jump to the defensive side of
the ball here, and you know you talked about it
an offense explosive plays in the run game, then they
run play actual they want explosive plays in the passing game.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Well, the defense has given.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Up a bunch of explosive plays, but they've made a
bunch of big plays with the takeaways.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
We know Dennis Allen.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
He has a long history, you know, being with the
Saints and the type of defense they run there. What
is this Giants offense going to see on the field
when they take on the Bears defense in terms of
how they want.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
To structure things and how they want to approach it.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Yeah, I'll tell you what it's And I don't know
that I've covered a defense quite like this one, and
all the time I've been doing it because they've been
so productive in some key metrics, right, like like you
mentioned the takeaways, they've been dynamite on third down, but
(27:22):
some of these other things you look at, they've been
really bad, like really bad. But it's this really good
third down defense that can't rush the quarterback. Like how usually,
you know, if you want to be pretty good on
third down or if you are pretty good on third down,
(27:43):
I think generally you get after the quarterback a little bit. Well,
these guys, these guys have really struggled to get pressure
on the quarterback. I will say Montese Sweat has been
better of late. He's got a sack in three consecutive games.
He's kind of come on them a little bit. But
they're desperate for a pass rush and and they've been
getting hit with with big plays. Like you know, it
(28:06):
wasn't just Flaco last week, It's happened all season. Like
Flacco had ten completions of plays that went for twenty
or more yards last week. That's a recipe for losing
almost every week in the National FOOTBA League. The Lions
bombed them back in Week two, and they've been terrible
on first down, although some of the numbers look a
little bit better if you just stripped the Detroit game
(28:27):
out of it all together. But like it's just it's
kind of this odd dichotomy because they're they're so good
and in some key areas like takeaways. I mean, I
go find a defensive coach and the Giants building today
that doesn't say takeaways is the number one thing for him? Right, Well,
Bear's been fantastic at that, but some of these other
(28:48):
things they're they're really struggling, and they've struggled to stop
the run. So one thing to keep an eye on.
Does TJ. Edwards the linebacker play he's listed on Andrew
report with a hand and a hamstring, and they've been
significantly better when he's been on the field this season
(29:11):
than when he's been out previously. The time missed was
because of a hamstring.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Interesting. All right, final question on the defense, Brad, and
then I'll let you go. I really appreciate the time,
awesome stuff the secondary, lot of vertical stuff against the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
When I rewatched that game last week.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
We know Dennis Allen will play his fair share of
man de man defense, but I was looking at some
of the metrics. There's a lot of cover two in
there as well. Naseean Wright is a guy that got
let go by the Dallas Cowboys, and we all know
what their defense has looked like this year. But he
also in a big takeaway last week. What have been
some of the areas of weakness in that secondary of
Jackson Dart wants to attack. Where should he look in
(29:50):
that secondary group where the Bears have had some issues.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Yeah, well they've been like I said, the big plays
they've come in bunches against him, Like it's been a bonanza,
big place against against Right. Uh, There's been some quarterbacks
that have had some success against Tyreek Stevenson On the
other side, although Stevenson's been better this season, the Bears
have been missing their nickel corner back Tyler Gordon for
(30:14):
most of the year after making him the highest paid
nickel in football. He's got He's got like a three
pack soft tissue injuries. It's unbelievable. So that's why they
went out and got CJ. Gardner Jackson, who I'm sure
has had plenty of run ins with the Giants previously.
So there's there's plays to be made downfield looking at
(30:36):
the you know, I know Mike grow from his time here.
That's got to be a tough situation to be in
as a coach, uh with with no Molik neighbors, to
kind of be the player your your at least on
the outside, your rookie quarterback can lean on a little bit.
But yeah, they've been susceptible to big plays, no question
(30:58):
about that. If they as can get the pass protection
to hold up Jackson Dartle have time. What's the weather
like on Sunday, I'm not sure yet that could impact
a downfield passing game.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I lied by one more quick one. I'm gonna watch
them myself later today. What do these takeaways look like?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
You know, basy The takeaways can come in different forms, right,
We know they have a bunch of plays where they're
knocking the ball out. But are these interceptions plays where
the quarterbacks is making bad throws? Are the Bears jumping routes?
Are they deflections? How have the Bears been able to
create this many takeaways?
Speaker 6 (31:33):
Yeah, it's a little bit everything for mein Edmonds, I'll
give him credit. They paid him huge money, like you know,
three years ago in free agency, basically to replace Rokwan
Smith and the big plays, the splash plays, the momentum
changing plays were few and far between the first two years.
He's been making them this year and it's been reading
(31:57):
stuff underneath of being in the right place. Kevin Bayered
the safety, it's been uh, sort of laying a trap
for like he picked up Geno Smith twice. He's got
four interceptions this season where it was just kind of
laying a trap over the middle for Gino and Gino's
played a lot of football. He took the bait both times.
(32:17):
So it's been heads up plays like that. There there's
been a deflection in there, a little a little bit
of a little bit of everything. And when when they
get extra possessions for that offense, they can be really dangerous.
Uh So we'll we'll see because I think, and I
(32:39):
haven't seen the Giants much, but Dart's dont a pretty
good job at least to protecting the football, right yep, absolutely, yeah,
Which is that, like that's one of those pitfalls that
rookie quarterbacks can fall into in a in a heartbeat,
in an instant and really you know, crush the team's
chance for uh success. So it's it's been could play
(33:00):
across the board and byered in Edmonds. Like I said,
they've got four picks each for a defense that leads
the league in the category.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Brad, tell the folks where you you'll find your great work.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
If Giant fans want to get a feel for what
they're running into in Chicago against the Bears on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
Well I'm on Twitter at Brad Biggs and you can
find me at the Chicago Tribune.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Thank you, Brad, appreciate the time you see on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Have a great day.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
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Speaker 1 (33:33):
Hey, I can also talk long care.
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Speaker 2 (33:38):
Could help make sense of your money with citizens. Great stuff,
good information from Brad Biggs there from the Chicago Tribune
talking about the Chicago Bears. Let's turn our attentions to
the Giants offense. I had a chance to talk to
rookie offensive tackle Marcus Bow. He started last week against
the forty nine ers. We'll see about Jamaine Luminor's peck injury.
He might have a chance to play again this week.
Here's Marcus. All right, now we're joined my Giants offensive
(34:01):
tackle Marcus. Well, Marcus, So you've had a chance to
play significantly time in three games.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Now, how do you think it's gone so far for
you this year?
Speaker 9 (34:07):
I feel like it's been solid, you know, good opportunities
to get out there and get better at my craft,
get live refs when bullets are fine.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
You know.
Speaker 9 (34:16):
I think it's been good, good opportunities and to keep
trying to make.
Speaker 8 (34:20):
The best of them.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I know we talked in the preseason about it after
you got a lot of time, and we do Andrew
wasn't going to start the year. What has been different
about the regular season as compared to what you saw
in training camp? In the preseason.
Speaker 9 (34:31):
Uh, I'd say the original like intensity. You know, going
from the first day of camp from OTAs you're like, oh,
it's a big jump, all right, and then when it
goes to OTA or camp to the regular season, it's like, oh,
it's really serious. So you see the intensity change and
you see all just everything change, you know, in terms
(34:51):
of the game planning and how much you put into
it and like the overall intensity.
Speaker 10 (34:56):
So yeah, what.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Has it been having to jump from like the left
to the right side and kind of going back and forth.
Speaker 9 (35:02):
Uh, it's you know, something they asked me to do,
and it's something is a challenge for me, and I
like challenges. I mean, I haven't played left tackle before,
so you know, taking that on and trying to learn
that and trying to be the best player that I
can over there as well doing it simultaneously at the
right side, So it's cool.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Is the biggest challenge to getting the feet right switching
sides or is it getting the hand placing right and
kind of getting the punches timed up with the feet?
Speaker 8 (35:27):
Yeah, I'd say I'd probably say the just the overall
consistency of the feet, Like I feel like, you know,
I can do a good job of having a good
pass set in like good hands, but like doing it
repetitively and when there's like live scenarios or one you
need to get tired on the.
Speaker 9 (35:45):
Left side, you know, just trying to.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Clean some of those things up as you move forward.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Now, just two more questions.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
What are some of the things that you are really
locky on trying to focus on and clean up and
get better at as you've gotten more reps in these
game situations.
Speaker 8 (35:57):
My when it comes to pass protection, I feel like
keeping a base.
Speaker 10 (36:01):
And keeping uh, keep keeping myself square when it comes
to standing in my punch, just staying on my kickset
one more extra extra slide and just being more.
Speaker 9 (36:12):
Consistent with that and getting too my spot being firm there.
I'd say that's the main thing I've been trying to
focus on.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
So we don't know if your mean is going to
play this week, he's dealing with this with this peck injury,
you would be back in your comfort zone and right
tackle like you were last week. What is it about
the Bears how they rushed the past or Montese sweat
when you watch them on tape that you think is
a particular challenge.
Speaker 9 (36:32):
Uh, I mean great, great player. You know, I remember
watching Montes sweat when I was in high school what NOTO.
So it's like it's it's it's cool to think about,
you know. Now we get an opportunity to play against
somebody like that. But good player likes to go speed
to power, you know, use the length and the athleticism
that he has. And overall their front is just pretty physical,
(36:55):
pretty vertical, crush procket team. So it'll be a good challenge.
We're excited to go.
Speaker 8 (37:00):
Marcus pusce ed Timment absolutely, thank you.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
He's a great kid and he is a bright future
here as a member of the Giants offensive line. Now
let's go to the voice of the Giants, Bob Papa.
He's with the head coach of the NYG Brian Dables.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
As always, were joined by the head coach of the
New York Giants, Brian Dable and coach taking out a
Bears team that's won like three of their last four
since their bye. They put a lot of points up
on the board last week against Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Are they getting does it.
Speaker 7 (37:27):
Look like, at least on tape to getting a little
bit more comfortable with a new head coach, and what
they're doing offensively, especially the quarterback and Caleb Williams.
Speaker 11 (37:35):
Yeah, I think the thing that I've noticed is they've
they've won the close games, you know, and those that
game last week against Cincinnati obviously was a wild game,
but they won the Washington game, you know, right in
the end of the fourth quarter. They won the Raiders
game the end of the fourth quarter with the black
field goal. So they're making, you know, critical plays at
(37:56):
critical times to give themselves a chance to get the
outcome that they want.
Speaker 7 (38:02):
The run game obviously is important for them as well,
like every team, and even with DeAndre Swift out, they
had a rookie from Rutgers, klem Manungay run the ball well.
Last week, Coach, they added Tony to their offensive line.
Just talk a little bit about trying to deal with
what they want to do conceptually in their run game.
Speaker 11 (38:24):
Well, I think you have to know which back is
in the game. I mean, they both can run both things,
but Swift is a I would say, an elite perimeter
back who when he gets out in space, has created
a lot of big explosive plays for their team this year.
I'm talking about twelve plus runs, so the toss plays,
(38:44):
you know, whether cracking receivers or whether they're blocking it
like zone. The outside zone play is a staple for
that team, and that runner, their line does a very
good job of blocking it. And you know, he's a
you know, he can run it outside, but he can
run it inside. He's got very good contact balance. He's
(39:05):
a tough runner. So they really they really do a
good job of affecting the width of the entire field
in the run game, and their blocking schemes are good.
You know, again, whether it's the outside zone, whether it's
they're double teams. Their offensive line does a good job
of running off the ball, and you know that's the
you know, that's where their offense starts, is the running game,
(39:28):
and then they use the play action off of it.
And they're a good screen team. That's another thing Swift
has created a lot of explosives from is the screen game.
So those are three elements that we're going to have
to do a good job of defending.
Speaker 7 (39:42):
Speaking of defending, when you go on the other side
of the ball, this is a team that really has
a knack for taking the ball away. I mean they
forced nineteen turnovers this year, six recovered fumbles and then
thirteen interceptions one return for a touchdown, Right, did it
against Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
It's gotta be.
Speaker 7 (40:03):
More than just the ball bounce in their way, right,
I mean, what do they do to create some of
these turnover opportunities?
Speaker 11 (40:10):
Yeah, I'd say when they play their zone defense, they
have zone good zone awareness. I think Edmonds, you know,
was with him and Buffalo has got very good lengths
and instincts and ball skills and he has four of them.
He made a huge one against Cincinnati that you know,
he ran back at the end of the game for
a touchdown. Then they called it back you know, touchdown.
But again, whether it's tip balls, eyes on the quarterback,
(40:34):
you know, Stevenson does a good job of undercutting routes,
you know there when they play their man coverage, and
it's a it's a collective, you know, collective effort. And
you know, anytime you can have nineteen turnovers and not
turn the ball over on offense, it gives it a
pretty good recipe for wins.
Speaker 7 (40:53):
So let's talk about the offense here with Jackson Dart.
You know, I don't I don't want to jinks anything here,
but he's made a lot of really good decisions, which
is one of the reasons why the turnover number is
really good. As far as a guy who's just getting
his career going, as you work with him and as
your staff works with him every week, what is some
(41:16):
of the growth that you're seeing in him each and
every week.
Speaker 11 (41:21):
He just continues to get better. He's you know, he's
a very smart young man who can really absorb all
the coaching that you give him. You know, the quarterback
is a unique position and that there's a lot of
information that they have to process, and there's a lot
of information that you have to teach, and some guys
(41:42):
can handle all of it. Some guys can't. You know,
he's one of those guys that can look at it
on tape, see it in a classroom, get the coaching
points of a variety of things that happen on every play,
and be able to process it out there on the
practice field, and more importantly, process it out there on
(42:04):
the game field. So you know, he's a pleasure to
work with. But he's very good in that respect relative
to you can give him the information that you think
you need to give him, and his processing has been
very good. So some guys can see it on tape
(42:25):
and say they would do that in the game, can't
or don't see it. He hasn't been one of those guys.
My credit, the coaches credit him, but we need to
continue to build him and make sure we're doing things
that we think are good for him and for more
importantly for the offense.
Speaker 6 (42:43):
Coach.
Speaker 7 (42:43):
Finally, from a leadership standpoint, you know the way the
season kind of started, you know, Tracy's the starter running
back and then Scataboo gets a bigger, bigger role in
Devin Singletary's role maybe not as big, but after the
Scataboo injury, devn has kind of come in there and
really done a nice job as far as that leadership
(43:05):
and just making veteran like plays. And think about the
one that he made two weeks ago. Wasn't you know
it was a tough catch. It was a fifty to
fifty ball ashes string catch he made. But is that
one of the reasons is are we seeing the exact
reason why he's so important even though like he doesn't
have off the chart numbers.
Speaker 11 (43:25):
Yeah, Dev motors a pro and he's been that way
since he's been into the league, and he's got the
opportunity to learn from some good players that he's with
veteran players and that's his mindset. He's one of those
guys that doesn't focus on anything but what he can control.
And when you have players and staff members that can
(43:48):
do that and just focus on your job, focus on
the things you can control and do it with the
right mindset regardless of what's happening. Those are, you know,
the mentally tough players and the leaders that you know
you cover it on a football team, and he's certainly
one of them.
Speaker 7 (44:08):
Coach, We appreciate a couple of minutes today, good luck,
and we'll do it again next week.
Speaker 11 (44:12):
Niics Pop.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Awesome stuff there from Brian Dable and Bob Poppa. We
thank Marcus Bow, we thank Tyler Nuban, We thank Brad
Biggs from the Chicago Tribune. And that's all the time
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