October 17, 2024 • 22 mins
This week on the Happy Half Hour, Darin and Kassidy complain about parking, recap last week's loss to the Falcons, highlight a few hard workers along the defensive side of the ball, preview this week's opponent and so much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This week on a Happy Half Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Ashawn Robinson. You've heard me say a million times there's
two kind of people in the world. There's pack mules
and show ponies. He's pack mule one hundred percent. He's
just putting his head down and doing the thing over
and over again. I got all the respect in the
world for the way that guy's working.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Right now, what's the cow wha?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
It's time for the Happy Half Hour, presented by Southern Star,
an official bourbon of the Carolina Panthers. Here are your hosts,
Darren Kant and Cassidy Hill.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Hello, friends, and welcome to another edition of the Happy
Half Hour. As always, the Happy Half Hours brought to
you by our friends at Southern Star, an official bourbon
partner of the Carolina Panthers, celebrate the spirit of the
Carolinas with a little Southern Star. Matt's over there laughing
because I'm doing my best to destroy a read from
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our friends are listen.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
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Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
A friend is there for you in a time of need,
in a time of sorrow, and in a time of celebration.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Southern Star has never let me down or taken my parking.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Place, so that is I am good friend.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Indeed, feeling pretty good about Southern Star right now.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I walked in the building this morning and the first
person I saw was Brad Ezac. He would he goes, hey, Cassidy,
and I said, and I just jumped right in and
I said, Brad, when I'm president, the first thing in
this country I'm fixing is parking. And he goes in
three weeks and I said yeah, and he was like, okay,
I'll start a writing campaign. So there you go. Join
Brad Zac to start my writing campaign for president. My
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whole entire platform is built on parking.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Make America Cassidy again. What could possibly go wrong? We
could go early vote for you right now because on
the other side of our fine building here at Bank
of America Stadium, we are an official early voting site
for Mecklenburg County. So this will be my platform. I
will encourage everyone, however you vote, to just make sure
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you go vote. It is safe, it is secure. There
are many steps but in place to make sure everything
is above board and detailed. And I was trained last
week just to make sure that this is true.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
So my own little leslie note.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, so get ready Tuesday, November fifth, cash you're here
on your own in case anything weird happens on the
trade deadline.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
That's all ug wohoo.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
There's no way anything goes wrong.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
What could possibly go wrong? Now?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I do think I'll go early vote today though, because
I just don't want to get busy. That's right before
we go to Germany. I don't want to forget.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, well you got You've got two and a half
weeks to get that in so plenty of tone.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Underestimate my ability to forget something.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Funny, en have time to carefully study the issues at
hand and make sure you're making informed choices.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Don't just fill it out like it's an SAT.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Because an informed electorate is each of our responsibilities. So
at any rate, all right, so we've talked about bourbon,
We've talked about voting. I guess at some point in
this podcast about football, we are obliged and contractually bound
to talk about the football. So we should prob a
little bit. We should probably do that. It's yeah, it's
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it's rough sledding right now.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
If you're the Carolina Panthers. Specifically, if you're the Carolina.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Panthers, defense times are not good at the moment. Last
week was probably the toughest of the lot. I mean,
even Week one was so unexpected and so out of
the blue. That's when you're out there running around with
all your people, So it got to be an outlier.
It got to be a shock to everybody's system. Looking
at that game Sunday, I was just struck over and
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over with the idea that seven of the people you
were supposed to be out.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
There with we're not out there the eleven.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Seven of the eleven it is a vast majority, and
five of the front seven. Yeah, when you talk about
running a three to four defense and all four are
not playing, uh, that's problem. And it looked like it
on Sunday. I mean, the Falcons were moving up and
down the field and it got away from him in
the second half. Obviously, there there were some things about
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that game to like, but I just think the personnel
deficiencies on defense are gonna be hard to overcome for
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
They are. And you made actually a really really great
point in your mail bag this week, So thank you.
Give you the yeah about I.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Pay her to read it.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
That you know, I can always count on Cassidy, my
wife and my mother that thing he pays me.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
To read it. But the compliments are free about not
overreacting to the defense, because your initial reaction this is
is probably the vast majority of people watch, is to go, Okay,
you don't have the personnel right now, should it maybe
switch to a different scheme and not a lot of
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this zone. You've got to be so so disciplined to
play zone, and when you don't have personnel that have
played together a lot, your first reaction is to change it.
But you made a really great point about if you
change it in reaction to one or two games to
a couple of personnel groupings, when you need to fall
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back on your fundamentals, your fundamentals are not going to
be set. This is a lot of baptism by fire
right now for a group of people that even though
their experience is there other than like Trevin Wallace, Claudia
and Cherlists that they're playing together is not there. Their
familiarity is not there, and so this is forcing them
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to communicate, to learn where the other one's going to be,
to learn to lean on each other and it's rough,
Like you said, it's rough sledding right now, but you
I guess you just have to trust and believe that
it could pay off down the road. Well, especially when
you get some of those guys back.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I mean, here's what we know for sure, zero Vera
runs good defense. That was true in La, that was
true in Denver, That's been true here in the past.
What's different now is they basically started over defensively, with
some changes that were their decision and some changes that
were other people's decisions. I mean, guys like Frankie Luvu
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he left as a free agent, he chose to go
to Washington. Can't do anything about that, obviously, the Brian
Burns trade, you know, and some other moves, and you
were basically starting fresh, and they were starting fresh in
a system built around a strong middle. I mean, we
could go back, we could have podcast map pull the
tapes from back in the summer when we talked about
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what this defense ought to be good at. And the
first thing I said was run defense. And I said,
because you went out and got an old head in
Ashawn Robinson, who's just stout, and you park him on
the other side from Derek Brown, who's a Pro Bowl defensive.
You got two steady guys in Shack and Josie in
the middle, and then all of a sudden, you look
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out there last week and other than Nashawan, they're all gone.
You know, it's like the rapture has hit that defense
and there's a couple of guys standing around, uh, waiting
to see what's happening.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
But and those guys.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Are all I mean, it's nothing against any of the
individual pieces.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It's just you.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Can you can say, well, injuries can't be an excuse,
and everybody likes to say that and talk about next
man up and all that fun stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
You can say that once one or two guys.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
When it's seven starters, that's a little tougher and you're
just looking at everything completely different. So you know, I
think it's going to you know, just take time and
more people. But I do want to say before I
lose this thread, uh in my own mind, because that's
where things go to get lost. Ashawn Robinson, we did.
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I did not know a lot about his game. I'm
not going full shack. Oh you apology. I was not
familiar with your game, but I when guys are out
there on the other coast. If they're an interior lineman,
you don't always get a full appreciation for what's what
they're actually doing. That dude is a certified old head
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in a younger person's body because he's out there toughing
things out.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
He's playing through stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
He goes down, it looks like he ain't coming back,
he misses one snap and he's back out on the field.
And he's out there because he kind of.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Has to be. I mean, he knows that.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
You know, there's a bunch of backup players out there
on that line with him and Shy Tuttle, so he's
got to be the guy who carries the load. You know,
a couple of weeks ago, he played like seventy one
of seventy five snacks. Yeah, that's Derek Brown percentages. And
you know, very few people can do it the way
Derek does it. And you know, I think it's it's
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a credit to Ashawn, who's coming off as.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
A complete pro right now. I mean he is. He
is one of them old school.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
You know, you've heard me say a million times there's
two kind of people in the world. There's pack mules
and show ponies. He's pack mule. One hundred percent. He's
just putting his head down and doing the thing over
and over again. I got all the respect in the
world for the way that guy's working right now.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Yeah, I mean a snapshot of that is what he
did on Sunday. He got hurt, looked like he got
pretty banged up on the play. It was one of
those that we thought we were looking to see if
he was going to the locker room, and a play
later he was back on the field.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I mean, that's just that's not something you necessarily see
as much anymore. So all the credit to him to
your point about him being an old head and a
young man's body. He's been forty five since he was twelve.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Ah, Like, he's.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Been a deacon and had a four oh one case
since he was in middle school. So it definitely fits.
It fits this whole personality.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, I feel that that's Uh. I have entered that
stage of life where, yeah, those are the things people
say about me.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
But he's playing.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
He's playing well, he really is, and that's the kind
of thing they've got to hang on to. I mean,
you've got a couple stable veterans upfront, him and Shy
I think in terms of defense. What you've got to
really focus on and where this year becomes a valuable
tool for the Carolina Panthers is all m snaps.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Trevin Wallace is getting right.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Because there's a guy who who could end up being
your future at inside linebacker and a future signal caller,
and he's getting eleven twelve games of on the job
training at it. You know, in a perfect world, he
could have sat and it's like people talk about with quarterbacks,
you know, let him sit and learn a little bit. Well,
he was going to be able to do that behind
Shaq and Josie a lot this year until neither one
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of them are there. And now you know, he's getting
used to that green dot on his helmet, He's getting
used to doing the communicating and you know he's that's
going to benefit him in the future. And that's just
kind of where you've got to look at this thing
from a defensive standpoint with the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I'm really interested to see what Trevin looks like when
Josie is back on the field too. This and this
is no disrespect to Claudia and cherylis who has been
filling in very nicely, but Josie is what.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Is also hurt and didn't practice yesterday and may not
be able to go this week.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Correct minor detail. But Josie is an experienced guy. He's
an experienced guy in this defense. He's very very smart
how he plays, and he's a good tackler. And Josie
is somebody who has called the defense before. So, you know,
even with Trevin keeping that job, what is it going
to be like having Josie next to him on the field.
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Could that maybe even speed up the communication and not
that that's really been an issue, could have speed it
up even more? You know, can Josie kind of help
make sure Trevin is in the right position to then
rely on his instincts and maybe clean up anything that
a rookie would just naturally miss. I'm interested to see
the two of them out there together once Josie gets
back from his hamstring.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, it's definitely going to be a benefit to Trev's So,
you know, there's only so much to be said about
what's happening on that side of the ball right now.
I mean, again, when you're missing so many people. The
thing about it is they have maintained a competitive posture
throughout these games, and something happened during that game the
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other day that kind of took me by surprise. You
were looking at me like I was an idiot in
the press box because late in the second half down
twenty two to ten, and are about to be down
twenty to ten when I know what you're talking about,
and they were going into the end zone when it
lant Us heading into the end zone and Canalis is
calling time outs, and it kind of took me aback
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for a second, like, oh, what are they doing. What
they're doing is giving the ball back to Andy Dalton,
and it's not the kind of thing that you would
have always anticipated over the last five years here. And
I kind of joked about it, but I said, I'm
so not used to being in that position that it
caught me off guard seeing it. But Andy immediately repaid that.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Confidence if he got it back with a minute twelve.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, drive some downfield in a minute and a half
for a touchdown. Looked really sharp, moved the ball around
boom boom boom. So it's a big difference, especially when
Atlanta was getting the ball back to start second half.
You know, in previous iterations you were you could have
been staring at twenty nine to ten in that situation.
Instead it's twenty two to seventeen to you know, and
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all of a sudden, Carolina Panthers are right in this
state going into the second half.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
So I think it was.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
The very smart coaching decision.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It was smart coaching decision, and Andy paid it off
by being the kind of Vett we've talked about, being stable,
being normal, being able to execute the offense in a hurry,
and and there are things that we found out. I mean,
I think by and large we should anticipate the Carolina
Panthers are going to be able to run the football
this year. You know, right now it's with Juba Hubbard,
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who is about four carries here and there from four
straight hundred yard games. And Jonathan Brook started practicing this week,
and Jonathan looks good, and there's a lot of attention
on him. I think we're three weeks out from seeing
him on field. But they ought to be able to
run no matter which back is back there because of
those big boys up front, and even with two replacements
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on the field, that continued to be true against the Falcons.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Rine looked fine. Yeah, you're starting to see Xavier andly
get come into his own more. Jalen Coker, Man, what
a fun surprise. There's always one of those every year,
and I think it's Jalen Coker this year who just
kind of pops off from an unexpected place. He's so smooth,
he can he can get down deep. When you bring
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Ian Thomas back, that allows J T. Sanders to kind
of come that pass catching tight end. A little bit
more on that two minute drive. I thought this was interesting, Darren.
You've got a fourteen year vet, which is what allows
you to have the trust to give him the ball
back with a little over a minute remaining and to
have to drive the length of the field. So you've
got a fourteen year old vet. He handed the ball
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off a couple of times that you and I think
he might have had one check down to Cuba, But
other than that, all of his pass catchers were rookies JT.
Cocher Legette, and he was implementing those guys in his
clinical two minute drive. That's the kind of balance you
want to see when you're trying to bring along a
rookie pass catching class. And it's also why you know
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we can talk a lot about that interception when he
was trying to get it to Ian Thomas, and the
game was essentially over during that interception on the first
drive of the fourth quarter. But you can live if
you're the offensive side of the ball. You can live
with plays like that. Those are almost within the margin
of era because of what you can get with things
like that two minute drive at the end of the half.
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You've just got to have a defense to balance that out,
which is a lot of what J. C. Horn was
saying after the game. You know, for the past few
years it's been the defense is good, the defense is good,
we just need an offense. And he was like, now
the offense is doing their job and we're not holding
up Oar into the bar game. But yeah, you can
you can see the potential for so many things on offense.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
They are putting things together on that side of the ball,
to be sure, and they're going to have to be
tight this week. I mean, you're going to Washington on Sunday. Congratulations.
They're second in the league and scoring putting about what
is it, twenty nine and change a game on the
board fifteen yards per game, like three seventy eight. I
think the number is Yeah, Washington is on the other side.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
They just have a dan Quinn defense.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, other than that, no problem.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I mean they are off to quite a start. Jayden
Daniels obviously getting a lot of attension up there, But
there's a there's it's going to be a challenge Sunday
in Washington because they've kind of got to that point
where Andy and those guys on offense are going to
have to match points a lot of times.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
So I think we were talking about Cliff Kingsbury with
Ever earlier. You've only you've got two of the better
offensive minds for that situation there, because you have Cliff
Kingsbury calling place and you have Brian Johnson there as
a quarterback developer. Those are two of the best at
those jobs. And so of course their offense is going
to be humming. You give dan Quinn any sort of
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big boys up front, he's going to do a lot
with them. They did take a hit this week losing
Jonathan Allen, so that should make Schubo look his chops
even more.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, you should be able to Carolina Panthers feel no
sympathy for this lost.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Right exactly, And so it could end up being another
game like that Falcons game, just in the sense of like, Okay,
who's gonna who's going to keep scoring? Which defense can
make once one or two stops.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
And if you can get a couple of stops, I
think there is at least some evidence that uh Andy
knows guys on that side of the ball are able
to make a few plays and keep this thing competitive.
So anyway, so we're on to Washington. We've we've covered
at length, probably more than we should have, talked about
the Atlanta game. We talked about the Atlanta game. Uh,
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We've got a lot to do coming up the next
couple of days. So let's get on with it.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Uh the box. You had me listening to your growl
Taylor Swift again.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Yeah, we went back to Taylor and.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
The Last American Dynasty. What a cool story. I knew
the story of the woman who married the Standard Oil
air and Rebecca Harkness, Yeah and lived a full in
good life. I did not know that Taylor Swift bought
her house.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Yeah, that's that's what I was saying. You know, kind
of employees that little bit of an old country writing style,
whereas like it tells a story and then at the
end of the story, it's like, oh, yeah, by the way,
it's me.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
And so she now lives in that house. And you know,
a lot of people said when she first bought it,
because it was a lot of she was in her
mid twenties and would have massive Fourth of July parties,
that it was like it was having Rebecca Harkness back
in the house. And so I think there's a little
bit of a kindred spirit there. But love any song
that tells a good story.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah, no doubt about that, No doubt about that. So
you were listening to Frank Turner.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yes, I finally introduced you to my favorite live act
in the world.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
What do you think I liked it?
Speaker 4 (19:03):
It was very anthemy. I can see that being the
song at the concert that gets everybody really amped up
and going, especially because it was like a It is
like the song that you sing at the beginning of
a revival.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
It is into the tent.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
And again Frank Turner's I still believe it is his
love letter to live music.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
He is a Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
He is the touring artist. Touring artist. I've seen him
pushing a dozen times now and will go basically anytime
he's closed. He he did he decided to break a
record or something and did fifty.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
States in fifty days.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
And so he did Columbia, South Carolina and Charlotte in
the same day. I went to both shows, got COVID,
regretted nothing because it's just every show becomes a sing loong,
which makes it a really good place to you guess
see that being a single to get covid.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
But yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
He Frank sings about the need for guitars and drums
and day desperate poetry. It's a it's a very simple, uh,
very simple anthem. It's it's his love letter to live
rock and roll music and what it can do for
a whole bunch of people when they're doing things together.
And and as a person who enjoys the communal experience,
I am it's all for.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
The opening line did make me think of Julius Caesar.
Oh yeah, just like friends, romans, countrymen, lend me your ears.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
It's uh, it's good stuff all the way around. Let's
listen to some music that makes people happy. Uh, while
we go about our business this week, have a song
for you. It's a it is a perfect fall week.
Should we should we have some fall music I don't know. Oh,
now we go back to the jukebox again this week.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
What do you got for me? Let's listen to something
cool and good.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
We are going with a classic Southern crooner, Mississippi man,
Leon Bridges.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Have you ever heard of it?
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Yeah, likest to the song and you can say it.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
I've seen him in person. Really good.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Okay, Well, I was gonna go with River, but if
you already know that song, we can do something different.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I'm happy to listen to that again.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
That's a good one with River by Leon Bridges.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I'll listen to Leon Bridges. I am in that time
of the year where I'm running into all these shows
that I want to go see but I haven't gone
to see yet.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
And the other night I missed Gillian Welch, who is
at the night Theater Billion with a g You'll have
to look that up. You'll have to look up her
singing Miss Ohio. And I'll just leave it at that.
So we'll reminisce about the shows we missed. Let's miss
song I had said, Gillian, Well, oh gosh, Miss Ohio
okay by Gillian Welch, and you will enjoy her a
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great deal.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I believe.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
But we'll we'll get back to that, we'll get through
the music. We'll talk about the Washington game next week
and see what's coming up. You know, I got to
dig out my passport. We're we're going to Germany in
a couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
That is on our bosses desk, per his request.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
There you go, so you're ahead of me.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
We will get all our paperwork in order, we will
prepare to go overseas, and we will see you next
week on the Happy Half Hour.
This week on a Happy Half Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Ashawn Robinson. You've heard me say a million times there's
two kind of people in the world. There's pack mules
and show ponies. He's pack mule one hundred percent. He's
just putting his head down and doing the thing over
and over again. I got all the respect in the
world for the way that guy's working.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Right now, what's the cow wha?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
It's time for the Happy Half Hour, presented by Southern Star,
an official bourbon of the Carolina Panthers. Here are your hosts,
Darren Kant and Cassidy Hill.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
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Speaker 4 (01:31):
I walked in the building this morning and the first
person I saw was Brad Ezac. He would he goes, hey, Cassidy,
and I said, and I just jumped right in and
I said, Brad, when I'm president, the first thing in
this country I'm fixing is parking. And he goes in
three weeks and I said yeah, and he was like, okay,
I'll start a writing campaign. So there you go. Join
Brad Zac to start my writing campaign for president. My
(01:52):
whole entire platform is built on parking.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Make America Cassidy again. What could possibly go wrong? We
could go early vote for you right now because on
the other side of our fine building here at Bank
of America Stadium, we are an official early voting site
for Mecklenburg County. So this will be my platform. I
will encourage everyone, however you vote, to just make sure
(02:15):
you go vote. It is safe, it is secure. There
are many steps but in place to make sure everything
is above board and detailed. And I was trained last
week just to make sure that this is true.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
So my own little leslie note.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, so get ready Tuesday, November fifth, cash you're here
on your own in case anything weird happens on the
trade deadline.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
That's all ug wohoo.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
There's no way anything goes wrong.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
What could possibly go wrong? Now?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I do think I'll go early vote today though, because
I just don't want to get busy. That's right before
we go to Germany. I don't want to forget.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, well you got You've got two and a half
weeks to get that in so plenty of tone.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Underestimate my ability to forget something.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Funny, en have time to carefully study the issues at
hand and make sure you're making informed choices.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Don't just fill it out like it's an SAT.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Because an informed electorate is each of our responsibilities. So
at any rate, all right, so we've talked about bourbon,
We've talked about voting. I guess at some point in
this podcast about football, we are obliged and contractually bound
to talk about the football. So we should prob a
little bit. We should probably do that. It's yeah, it's
(03:27):
it's rough sledding right now.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
If you're the Carolina Panthers. Specifically, if you're the Carolina.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Panthers, defense times are not good at the moment. Last
week was probably the toughest of the lot. I mean,
even Week one was so unexpected and so out of
the blue. That's when you're out there running around with
all your people, So it got to be an outlier.
It got to be a shock to everybody's system. Looking
at that game Sunday, I was just struck over and
(03:53):
over with the idea that seven of the people you
were supposed to be out.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
There with we're not out there the eleven.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Seven of the eleven it is a vast majority, and
five of the front seven. Yeah, when you talk about
running a three to four defense and all four are
not playing, uh, that's problem. And it looked like it
on Sunday. I mean, the Falcons were moving up and
down the field and it got away from him in
the second half. Obviously, there there were some things about
(04:22):
that game to like, but I just think the personnel
deficiencies on defense are gonna be hard to overcome for
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
They are. And you made actually a really really great
point in your mail bag this week, So thank you.
Give you the yeah about I.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Pay her to read it.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
That you know, I can always count on Cassidy, my
wife and my mother that thing he pays me.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
To read it. But the compliments are free about not
overreacting to the defense, because your initial reaction this is
is probably the vast majority of people watch, is to go, Okay,
you don't have the personnel right now, should it maybe
switch to a different scheme and not a lot of
(05:08):
this zone. You've got to be so so disciplined to
play zone, and when you don't have personnel that have
played together a lot, your first reaction is to change it.
But you made a really great point about if you
change it in reaction to one or two games to
a couple of personnel groupings, when you need to fall
(05:28):
back on your fundamentals, your fundamentals are not going to
be set. This is a lot of baptism by fire
right now for a group of people that even though
their experience is there other than like Trevin Wallace, Claudia
and Cherlists that they're playing together is not there. Their
familiarity is not there, and so this is forcing them
(05:48):
to communicate, to learn where the other one's going to be,
to learn to lean on each other and it's rough,
Like you said, it's rough sledding right now, but you
I guess you just have to trust and believe that
it could pay off down the road. Well, especially when
you get some of those guys back.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I mean, here's what we know for sure, zero Vera
runs good defense. That was true in La, that was
true in Denver, That's been true here in the past.
What's different now is they basically started over defensively, with
some changes that were their decision and some changes that
were other people's decisions. I mean, guys like Frankie Luvu
(06:24):
he left as a free agent, he chose to go
to Washington. Can't do anything about that, obviously, the Brian
Burns trade, you know, and some other moves, and you
were basically starting fresh, and they were starting fresh in
a system built around a strong middle. I mean, we
could go back, we could have podcast map pull the
tapes from back in the summer when we talked about
(06:46):
what this defense ought to be good at. And the
first thing I said was run defense. And I said,
because you went out and got an old head in
Ashawn Robinson, who's just stout, and you park him on
the other side from Derek Brown, who's a Pro Bowl defensive.
You got two steady guys in Shack and Josie in
the middle, and then all of a sudden, you look
(07:07):
out there last week and other than Nashawan, they're all gone.
You know, it's like the rapture has hit that defense
and there's a couple of guys standing around, uh, waiting
to see what's happening.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
But and those guys.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Are all I mean, it's nothing against any of the
individual pieces.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It's just you.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Can you can say, well, injuries can't be an excuse,
and everybody likes to say that and talk about next
man up and all that fun stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
You can say that once one or two guys.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
When it's seven starters, that's a little tougher and you're
just looking at everything completely different. So you know, I
think it's going to you know, just take time and
more people. But I do want to say before I
lose this thread, uh in my own mind, because that's
where things go to get lost. Ashawn Robinson, we did.
(07:53):
I did not know a lot about his game. I'm
not going full shack. Oh you apology. I was not
familiar with your game, but I when guys are out
there on the other coast. If they're an interior lineman,
you don't always get a full appreciation for what's what
they're actually doing. That dude is a certified old head
(08:13):
in a younger person's body because he's out there toughing
things out.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
He's playing through stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
He goes down, it looks like he ain't coming back,
he misses one snap and he's back out on the field.
And he's out there because he kind of.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Has to be. I mean, he knows that.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
You know, there's a bunch of backup players out there
on that line with him and Shy Tuttle, so he's
got to be the guy who carries the load. You know,
a couple of weeks ago, he played like seventy one
of seventy five snacks. Yeah, that's Derek Brown percentages. And
you know, very few people can do it the way
Derek does it. And you know, I think it's it's
(08:50):
a credit to Ashawn, who's coming off as.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
A complete pro right now. I mean he is. He
is one of them old school.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
You know, you've heard me say a million times there's
two kind of people in the world. There's pack mules
and show ponies. He's pack mule. One hundred percent. He's
just putting his head down and doing the thing over
and over again. I got all the respect in the
world for the way that guy's working right now.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Yeah, I mean a snapshot of that is what he
did on Sunday. He got hurt, looked like he got
pretty banged up on the play. It was one of
those that we thought we were looking to see if
he was going to the locker room, and a play
later he was back on the field.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I mean, that's just that's not something you necessarily see
as much anymore. So all the credit to him to
your point about him being an old head and a
young man's body. He's been forty five since he was twelve.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Ah, Like, he's.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Been a deacon and had a four oh one case
since he was in middle school. So it definitely fits.
It fits this whole personality.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, I feel that that's Uh. I have entered that
stage of life where, yeah, those are the things people
say about me.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
But he's playing.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
He's playing well, he really is, and that's the kind
of thing they've got to hang on to. I mean,
you've got a couple stable veterans upfront, him and Shy
I think in terms of defense. What you've got to
really focus on and where this year becomes a valuable
tool for the Carolina Panthers is all m snaps.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Trevin Wallace is getting right.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Because there's a guy who who could end up being
your future at inside linebacker and a future signal caller,
and he's getting eleven twelve games of on the job
training at it. You know, in a perfect world, he
could have sat and it's like people talk about with quarterbacks,
you know, let him sit and learn a little bit. Well,
he was going to be able to do that behind
Shaq and Josie a lot this year until neither one
(10:36):
of them are there. And now you know, he's getting
used to that green dot on his helmet, He's getting
used to doing the communicating and you know he's that's
going to benefit him in the future. And that's just
kind of where you've got to look at this thing
from a defensive standpoint with the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I'm really interested to see what Trevin looks like when
Josie is back on the field too. This and this
is no disrespect to Claudia and cherylis who has been
filling in very nicely, but Josie is what.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Is also hurt and didn't practice yesterday and may not
be able to go this week.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Correct minor detail. But Josie is an experienced guy. He's
an experienced guy in this defense. He's very very smart
how he plays, and he's a good tackler. And Josie
is somebody who has called the defense before. So, you know,
even with Trevin keeping that job, what is it going
to be like having Josie next to him on the field.
(11:27):
Could that maybe even speed up the communication and not
that that's really been an issue, could have speed it
up even more? You know, can Josie kind of help
make sure Trevin is in the right position to then
rely on his instincts and maybe clean up anything that
a rookie would just naturally miss. I'm interested to see
the two of them out there together once Josie gets
back from his hamstring.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, it's definitely going to be a benefit to Trev's So,
you know, there's only so much to be said about
what's happening on that side of the ball right now.
I mean, again, when you're missing so many people. The
thing about it is they have maintained a competitive posture
throughout these games, and something happened during that game the
(12:07):
other day that kind of took me by surprise. You
were looking at me like I was an idiot in
the press box because late in the second half down
twenty two to ten, and are about to be down
twenty to ten when I know what you're talking about,
and they were going into the end zone when it
lant Us heading into the end zone and Canalis is
calling time outs, and it kind of took me aback
(12:29):
for a second, like, oh, what are they doing. What
they're doing is giving the ball back to Andy Dalton,
and it's not the kind of thing that you would
have always anticipated over the last five years here. And
I kind of joked about it, but I said, I'm
so not used to being in that position that it
caught me off guard seeing it. But Andy immediately repaid that.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Confidence if he got it back with a minute twelve.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, drive some downfield in a minute and a half
for a touchdown. Looked really sharp, moved the ball around
boom boom boom. So it's a big difference, especially when
Atlanta was getting the ball back to start second half.
You know, in previous iterations you were you could have
been staring at twenty nine to ten in that situation.
Instead it's twenty two to seventeen to you know, and
(13:17):
all of a sudden, Carolina Panthers are right in this
state going into the second half.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
So I think it was.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
The very smart coaching decision.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It was smart coaching decision, and Andy paid it off
by being the kind of Vett we've talked about, being stable,
being normal, being able to execute the offense in a hurry,
and and there are things that we found out. I mean,
I think by and large we should anticipate the Carolina
Panthers are going to be able to run the football
this year. You know, right now it's with Juba Hubbard,
(13:47):
who is about four carries here and there from four
straight hundred yard games. And Jonathan Brook started practicing this week,
and Jonathan looks good, and there's a lot of attention
on him. I think we're three weeks out from seeing
him on field. But they ought to be able to
run no matter which back is back there because of
those big boys up front, and even with two replacements
(14:11):
on the field, that continued to be true against the Falcons.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Rine looked fine. Yeah, you're starting to see Xavier andly
get come into his own more. Jalen Coker, Man, what
a fun surprise. There's always one of those every year,
and I think it's Jalen Coker this year who just
kind of pops off from an unexpected place. He's so smooth,
he can he can get down deep. When you bring
(14:36):
Ian Thomas back, that allows J T. Sanders to kind
of come that pass catching tight end. A little bit
more on that two minute drive. I thought this was interesting, Darren.
You've got a fourteen year vet, which is what allows
you to have the trust to give him the ball
back with a little over a minute remaining and to
have to drive the length of the field. So you've
got a fourteen year old vet. He handed the ball
(14:58):
off a couple of times that you and I think
he might have had one check down to Cuba, But
other than that, all of his pass catchers were rookies JT.
Cocher Legette, and he was implementing those guys in his
clinical two minute drive. That's the kind of balance you
want to see when you're trying to bring along a
rookie pass catching class. And it's also why you know
(15:21):
we can talk a lot about that interception when he
was trying to get it to Ian Thomas, and the
game was essentially over during that interception on the first
drive of the fourth quarter. But you can live if
you're the offensive side of the ball. You can live
with plays like that. Those are almost within the margin
of era because of what you can get with things
like that two minute drive at the end of the half.
(15:42):
You've just got to have a defense to balance that out,
which is a lot of what J. C. Horn was
saying after the game. You know, for the past few
years it's been the defense is good, the defense is good,
we just need an offense. And he was like, now
the offense is doing their job and we're not holding
up Oar into the bar game. But yeah, you can
you can see the potential for so many things on offense.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
They are putting things together on that side of the ball,
to be sure, and they're going to have to be
tight this week. I mean, you're going to Washington on Sunday. Congratulations.
They're second in the league and scoring putting about what
is it, twenty nine and change a game on the
board fifteen yards per game, like three seventy eight. I
think the number is Yeah, Washington is on the other side.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
They just have a dan Quinn defense.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, other than that, no problem.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I mean they are off to quite a start. Jayden
Daniels obviously getting a lot of attension up there, But
there's a there's it's going to be a challenge Sunday
in Washington because they've kind of got to that point
where Andy and those guys on offense are going to
have to match points a lot of times.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
So I think we were talking about Cliff Kingsbury with
Ever earlier. You've only you've got two of the better
offensive minds for that situation there, because you have Cliff
Kingsbury calling place and you have Brian Johnson there as
a quarterback developer. Those are two of the best at
those jobs. And so of course their offense is going
to be humming. You give dan Quinn any sort of
(17:04):
big boys up front, he's going to do a lot
with them. They did take a hit this week losing
Jonathan Allen, so that should make Schubo look his chops
even more.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, you should be able to Carolina Panthers feel no
sympathy for this lost.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Right exactly, And so it could end up being another
game like that Falcons game, just in the sense of like, Okay,
who's gonna who's going to keep scoring? Which defense can
make once one or two stops.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
And if you can get a couple of stops, I
think there is at least some evidence that uh Andy
knows guys on that side of the ball are able
to make a few plays and keep this thing competitive.
So anyway, so we're on to Washington. We've we've covered
at length, probably more than we should have, talked about
the Atlanta game. We talked about the Atlanta game. Uh,
(17:55):
We've got a lot to do coming up the next
couple of days. So let's get on with it.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Uh the box. You had me listening to your growl
Taylor Swift again.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Yeah, we went back to Taylor and.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
The Last American Dynasty. What a cool story. I knew
the story of the woman who married the Standard Oil
air and Rebecca Harkness, Yeah and lived a full in
good life. I did not know that Taylor Swift bought
her house.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Yeah, that's that's what I was saying. You know, kind
of employees that little bit of an old country writing style,
whereas like it tells a story and then at the
end of the story, it's like, oh, yeah, by the way,
it's me.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
And so she now lives in that house. And you know,
a lot of people said when she first bought it,
because it was a lot of she was in her
mid twenties and would have massive Fourth of July parties,
that it was like it was having Rebecca Harkness back
in the house. And so I think there's a little
bit of a kindred spirit there. But love any song
that tells a good story.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah, no doubt about that, No doubt about that. So
you were listening to Frank Turner.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yes, I finally introduced you to my favorite live act
in the world.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
What do you think I liked it?
Speaker 4 (19:03):
It was very anthemy. I can see that being the
song at the concert that gets everybody really amped up
and going, especially because it was like a It is
like the song that you sing at the beginning of
a revival.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
It is into the tent.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
And again Frank Turner's I still believe it is his
love letter to live music.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
He is a Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
He is the touring artist. Touring artist. I've seen him
pushing a dozen times now and will go basically anytime
he's closed. He he did he decided to break a
record or something and did fifty.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
States in fifty days.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
And so he did Columbia, South Carolina and Charlotte in
the same day. I went to both shows, got COVID,
regretted nothing because it's just every show becomes a sing loong,
which makes it a really good place to you guess
see that being a single to get covid.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
But yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
He Frank sings about the need for guitars and drums
and day desperate poetry. It's a it's a very simple, uh,
very simple anthem. It's it's his love letter to live
rock and roll music and what it can do for
a whole bunch of people when they're doing things together.
And and as a person who enjoys the communal experience,
I am it's all for.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
The opening line did make me think of Julius Caesar.
Oh yeah, just like friends, romans, countrymen, lend me your ears.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
It's uh, it's good stuff all the way around. Let's
listen to some music that makes people happy. Uh, while
we go about our business this week, have a song
for you. It's a it is a perfect fall week.
Should we should we have some fall music I don't know. Oh,
now we go back to the jukebox again this week.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
What do you got for me? Let's listen to something
cool and good.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
We are going with a classic Southern crooner, Mississippi man,
Leon Bridges.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Have you ever heard of it?
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Yeah, likest to the song and you can say it.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
I've seen him in person. Really good.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Okay, Well, I was gonna go with River, but if
you already know that song, we can do something different.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I'm happy to listen to that again.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
That's a good one with River by Leon Bridges.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I'll listen to Leon Bridges. I am in that time
of the year where I'm running into all these shows
that I want to go see but I haven't gone
to see yet.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
And the other night I missed Gillian Welch, who is
at the night Theater Billion with a g You'll have
to look that up. You'll have to look up her
singing Miss Ohio. And I'll just leave it at that.
So we'll reminisce about the shows we missed. Let's miss
song I had said, Gillian, Well, oh gosh, Miss Ohio
okay by Gillian Welch, and you will enjoy her a
(21:36):
great deal.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I believe.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
But we'll we'll get back to that, we'll get through
the music. We'll talk about the Washington game next week
and see what's coming up. You know, I got to
dig out my passport. We're we're going to Germany in
a couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
That is on our bosses desk, per his request.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
There you go, so you're ahead of me.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
We will get all our paperwork in order, we will
prepare to go overseas, and we will see you next
week on the Happy Half Hour.
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