February 5, 2025 • 45 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Cowboys, This is media Mash, a roundtable of Cowboys insiders
trumping wisdom and offering sizzling takes on the current state
of your Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Now your host new he scrugs.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Media Mash, Media Mash Today, We're gonna have some fun.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
Let's bringing that enthusiasm, joy and passion.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Baby No Backstead is talking Ron Washington today about that baby,
So joy and passions. We've got the Hall of Famer
Edwarders here. He is the author. He is John Jacques
Taylor working on a new book. That is it going
to be this year's release? I know you won't get
next year.
Speaker 6 (00:48):
Next year?
Speaker 7 (00:49):
Yes, Okay, who's the subject? Oh, we're not talking about that,
but sports.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Oh we're not sports. A sports figure, sports and leader
could be, could be a Cowboys Cowboys figure.
Speaker 6 (01:01):
John John spent a whole lot of time in college
with Coach Prime.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
By the way, when I go to the library, I still,
you know, I still I still see the Coach Prime
book over there.
Speaker 7 (01:09):
That kind of paper book should be out some Okay,
has anybody checked it out?
Speaker 6 (01:12):
It's a hard copy. I've checked it out. You've checked
it out, yes, And he also gave me an autograph copies.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Right, not me all I all the time I spent
with this young man, developing his skill set, trusting me out,
admonishing him when it was necessary, teaching him joy and.
Speaker 7 (01:27):
Passion, definitely passion. What copy wasn't much joy in that
Philadelphia press box till two o'clock while the agony writer
was arguing with the editor, and I was too new
to be like, I'm fin to take a cab, I
hollered you later.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
You gotta believe in what you're writing, man, him, and
stand for it frasier and ali over over just all
night long.
Speaker 8 (01:51):
Man.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
That's that's why I remember it so clearly, as.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
You well know from your time work, because if your inconvenience,
that's what you remember about it.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Your time working meets if I. You know, we just
got to do it. We did it, and now ed
you're over chan lay. You know there's no editor, know
that it's do it.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Yeah, what you want to say?
Speaker 6 (02:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they trust you, they'd.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Like here, yeah, remarkably, Yes, it's Super Bowl week?
Speaker 6 (02:15):
Have you really dialed into it at all?
Speaker 5 (02:18):
It's not the same as being there obviously. I mean
for twenty plus years, you know, Sal covered a team
and I covered the other team, and you were responsible
for every single thing that happened. I mean I I
covered the Raiders when the Barrett Barrett Robin's story broke
about gone game day? Where was he? Why was he
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not in the hotel? Why was he not in the country.
I also was covering the Falcons and had to wake
Dan Reeves up the morning of the game about the
Eugene Robinson arrest. So, yeah, there have been a few
things I've had to cover of some scale that are
far beyond what we're doing here today.
Speaker 7 (02:54):
He was trying to play with joy and passion.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Is that what their names were?
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Perhaps Man a year NFL Man of the Year?
Speaker 7 (03:05):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Yes, Do you feel like what we give you paid
attention at all?
Speaker 7 (03:09):
I paid one? Let me press it. No, I have
not paid any attention to it. Two. Over the years,
I have developed a real disdain for pregame chatter, like,
I don't like it at all. I don't watch pregame
shows during the season. It's just a bunch of superfluous
blah blah blah blah, blah.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
I've spent a lot of time like analyzing the matchup
and gathering statistical information that I find to be fascinating
for to share in situations like this.
Speaker 7 (03:37):
Yes, I don't mind an occasional statstat but all this,
I mean it's just too much.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
So this is beauty. This is beautiful.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
I'm glad you said it, ed because you know the
third person, Newie Scrungs, has been doing Cowboys and Luca Dutch.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
That's what my last week was.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
No, that's all Luca Baby.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
And Cowboys coaching hires and Elka being traded.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I mean, you know the hired to run back. Okay, great, Yes,
he was like, let's hear from Anthony Davis. So that's
where I've been in that. I've been in that in
that hole. So Philadelphia is a point and a half favorite.
Here are we talking enough about their defense because that
if they win this game, it's gonna have to be
with a supreme defensive effort.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Well, Philadelphia is the first team since the ninety two
Cowboys to go into the Super Bowl with the NFL's
leading rusher Saquon Barkley and the league's number one defense.
The Cowboys obviously did it with Emmett Smith and that
Charles Haley led defense back in nineteen ninety two and
they won the Super Bowl. And I mean the Eagles
have what they've got the number one defense in football
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under Vic Fangio. I think, just overall, the Eagles are
going to be a real challenge for the Chiefs across
the board. I think the thing the Eagles have to
do to win the game is force Mahomes to hold
the ball. If his first receivers open, he's going to
beat you. And and he generally has gotten it out quick.
Philadelphia has been, you know, dominant in the playoffs. I
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mean thrown on a scoring tear. Uh, They've got ten
takeaways and not turned the ball over yet. Nobody's done
that going into a Super Bowl. In fact, this is
the this is the first Super Bowl where the two
starting quarterbacks have gone entered the game having a streak
of more than two hundred consecutive passes without an interception.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
Now, see, all of that is great, and it makes sense,
and I buy into it, except at the end of
the day, you go, you're gonna take Mahomes, You're gonna
take Hurts, You're gonna take Andy Reid, you're gonna take Sirianni. Now,
Spagnola might be a push with Fangio, but still it's Spagnola.
And so at the three key spots, I picked the Chiefs.
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That's why it's hired for me to bet against the Chiefs.
And if the game is closed in the fourth quarter,
I believe in Mahomes magic. Now ain't the only one, obviously,
but that's how I get done well.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Jalen Hurts and Sirianni have not won an away game
in the postseason in their careers, and they've not won
a neutral site game yet in their careers. But they
almost did, and it was against the Chiefs.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
Well, you know, Hurts is now I say out, but
Hurts tends to be a big game player, so you know.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Well he had a historic day the last time in
the Super Bowl against the Chiefs with the three touchdown runs,
seventy yards rushing, three hundred yards passing.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
I expect the same kind of game, really the fourth quarter,
end of the game. Who got the ball, go make
it happen.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Yeah, nobody's all that. It seems all that excited about
the matchup. I know, we just saw it, but it
was a great game.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
It's a great game, man, because the Chiefs have gone
on to this other next level of it. I think
we've kind of forgotten that what Philadelphia did in the game.
I was telling somebody about Jayleen Hurtson. This guy's had
two championship games where he did all he could. The
first win against Alabama, he left the field with the
lead and then you know, de Shahn Watson just happened
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to go take Clemson right down the field and win
that football game. So it's like Jalen did, he did
his part right, he did his part. Saban's defense didn't
hold up. And then of course in the Super Bowl,
you couldn't ask him to do more. Mean he he
did his part.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
To be fumbled and it was returned for a touchdown.
Yeah yeah, you could ask him not to fumble this
time and the game could be different.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Yeah yeah, fair point. But overall, you know, you you know.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
If you're if you take that game every time, if.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
He gives you, if he came back and gave you
those same numbers this Sunday, you'd.
Speaker 7 (07:16):
Say, okay, okay, yeah, but you know, Andy Reid had
something special for him because that's what he do.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
So obviously Andy Reid is got a Hall of Fame
resume at this point time. What about someone like Steve Spagnolo, who, oh,
by the way, was the defensive coordinator for the New
York Giants when Belichick's undefeated Patriots went out to Arizona
and they won that football game and held them to
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fourteen points.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Yeah, where created all kinds of pressure on Braidon Brady
that he had not seen and did not respond well
to in the game.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Right, Where does a guy like that start to fit
in to this new NFL where they are bringing in
like we saw Dick lebou finally get into the Pro
Football Hall Fames, Like, where do we see a stee
Spagnola who's now got four Super Bowl rings as an
assistant coach.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
Could get it which is the most.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
He already has the most, and he has a chance
to get another one this weekend.
Speaker 7 (08:12):
But now I think he's finally I think I think
it all falls down to people in the league know
you're really good, you're great, and then it finally for
somebody like him, then it finally starts to seep into
the media, and then you start getting attention. Like last
in the last game they played, you know it was.
It wasn't just that he called the blitz that they
hadn't seen all year. He called a corner blitz that
they hadn't seen on Those are kinds of things you
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hear when people have respect for you and they start
talking to you and getting in teach, and he.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Saved it for exactly and yeah, the biggest moment in
the game.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
And why do we remember all of this because they
talked about it, They made a big deal about it.
So now it's kind of in your conscience, like, oh,
what's Maagnola got for him this this week? And then
what's he saved for the fourth quarter to unveil something
that Jalen Hurst hadn't seen? And will it work?
Speaker 5 (08:55):
And to the Hall of Fame question, I mean, you're right,
he could easily be elected as a contributor or as
a coach. It's still remarkable to me that. I mean,
I think this year's finalist is Mike Holmgren and Mike
Shannan's not in yet. Mike Shanahan won back to back
Super Bowls and we still see people running the Shanahan offense,
including Shanahan's own son, who's had a remarkable amount of
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success using it in San Francisco. But I think ultimately
when they debated and when he becomes a candidate, he's
going to have the backing of the New York media,
which will be a significant factor in determining whether he
gets in or not.
Speaker 7 (09:32):
Too.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
It's it's just ironic.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
And I think about even the coaching search that Jerry had,
I got like, see, Spagnola should have been on the list.
When I think about how well dan Quinn adjusted and
with his second opportunity and all that he did that
to me when I just kind of go back and
I think, but you know, Spagnol should have been a
guy that had a conversation with because.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
As he worked here before. No, okay, damn well, well, yeah,
lit were talking about.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
You're talking about the Cowboys. Should have interviewed him.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 6 (10:05):
You know what the Cowboy and other.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Teams and interview and a couple of other teams. I
think he did get a couple of interviews, not in person, obviously,
because he's been preparing a team to play the last
game of the season for the third straight year.
Speaker 9 (10:18):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
You know, I just don't remember which teams it was.
I know that, Uh, the management and ownership of the Rams,
you know, where he was the head coach and it
failed badly. They were a horrible team at the time.
I think Sam Bradford was a quarterback. You know, they've
they really advocated for him to get another opportunity as
a head coach. But obviously, unless the Saints changed their
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minds and higher Spagnolo instead of move, everybody expects it
to be Kellen Moore, It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
Now, do you think, because you spend a lot more
time covid Lee, you think Spagnola is a good quality,
is a good candidate for another head coaching job or
is he one of those cats who's just better as
a OC I mean as a DC.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
I mean so, I guess it's just hard to get
past the personality that you see on you know, the
sideline during games. I think he's very demanding, he's very creative.
He has his guys well prepared to execute the plan,
and he has a great plan. But personality wise, I
think the same questions exist about him and being in
front of the room and responsible for the offensive side
of the ball and special teams. You know, he's great
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when he's responsible for a third of the team. I
don't know about when it's the whole team, but yeah,
somebody should have probably waited and given him the chance
to explain his vision and how he's changed as a
long time ago.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
That he was the Rams coach, so Jets, Jaguars, Raiders
or those three teams. According to producer Chris had talked
to Stee Spagnell.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
But it's it's quite a few.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
It's just as it's always interesting to me and I
used to say it slim My Dear did my NBC
sports radio show. It's interesting on who we choose to
forgive and who we choose to condemn. You Boom, You're
one chance, You're done, you Hay, come on back, try
it one more day, Nor do it one more time.
Wakefield's come on one more time, you know, Eric man
Jini and don't worry about it.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Try one more time.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
It's very interesting on who gets these well, you mentioned
Dan Quinn. Obviously there's no questions about his personality in
front of a team and his ability to command and
lead a room or to engage with both sides of
the ball. And he was a successful head coach. I
mean he lost to Super Bowl, but he got his
team to the twenty Matt Ryan had an MVP season,
so there weren't the questions about him that there are
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about Spagnola. Whether they're right or wrong, I don't know.
I guess they're fair questions, and we don't know how
he answers them and how that comes across. But I'm
surprised he doesn't get another opportunity at some point.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
All right, getting ready to go to break here. We'll
dive more into the Cowboys coaching staff. But give me
your give me your Philadelphia prediction Kansas City Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
I'm gonna take the Chiefs in a historic three p
twenty seven, twenty.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
Four, JJT what you got?
Speaker 7 (12:57):
You know, it was changing my school because I think
a little too high. But I kind of like you
Chiefs thirty one, twenty nine.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Thirty one, twenty nine.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
You know what, I.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
A part of me wants to go with Philadelphia from
the standpoint of the defense. And it just so and
so many times when I started thinking about, you know,
these matchups, and I forget about think about defense. I
go back to the Denver Carolina game, and I think
about that Raider game to Barrett Robinson and we forgot
about that Tampa defense. But there's just something about Patrick
Mahomes and the only Super Bowl he lost is because
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they didn't have any tackles that day against Tampa Bay,
and they just they couldn't compete, they couldn't protect him.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
Well.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Remember remember last time these two's teams played in the
Super Bowl was on that questionable field right where nobody
could get any kind of good footing, and it really
crushed the Eagles pass rush. And the Eagles have developed
a great pass rush with you know, Jalen Carter leading inside,
and they've had trouble protecting Mahomes. Like I said, if
you can make him hold the ball, you might be
able to sack him. He's been sacked thirty six times.
I'm during the regular season.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Give me a close football game twenty six, twenty four,
Kansas City wins it at this point in time, That's
what I'll go with. But in Jerio feel really good
because you have to watch Philadelphia Boys one. But let's
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some thoughts on the running back coach, the offensive coordinator.
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During the break, we're sitting around here talking about Luca,
which was a good thing for Jerry Jones.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
Oh yeah, the very very good thing because moved.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Up the local GM rankings.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
Who thought that was possible? My man, Jim nil Steal
at the top, followed closely by he's not who's at
the top, Christian at the top, Yes, Jim Nilson, No,
he's not. I mean we could debate this debate.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Okay, sir, there's a flag flying, there's a World Series
championship that's here, that right there truck.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
I mean, what else?
Speaker 7 (17:14):
What are we doing this for?
Speaker 6 (17:15):
Right reason?
Speaker 5 (17:17):
You capitulated faster than the Lakers said yes on the
trade groom.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
And look that's because I'm uh, you know, I've got
I forgot what the stars consistency they get there, but
they delivered it ship and once they're delivered, he'll passed
around the rim.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
And so for me it was the whole. It was
twofold one. You delivered it, but also the way you did.
You went out and got Bruce Bochie and I went
out to the press conference. I was surprised at how
little of the local media were there except this. To me,
I said, this is the biggest hiring of a proven
winner since Bill Parcells came three World Series championships. Nobody
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went and got the first one against you, like this
guy's now coming here to do This.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
Is the last place last year close.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
To it, so as if he cared.
Speaker 7 (18:09):
Now Boachie does it every other year. So this year
I'm expecting big things.
Speaker 8 (18:12):
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I tend to so, hey man, well win the World
Series next your fish near last week?
Speaker 7 (18:18):
Yeah, deel, I mean, Jerry been living off his thirty
years ago.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
The rent's not been free.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
So Jerry went out and hired Brian Schottenheimer, and the
fan base was restless.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
They weren't happy.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
On Monday that we had the press conference, and Saturday
night everyone really forgot about it. Because Luka Doncic was
traded and so cover has been seen since. The Cowboys
have hired running backs coach Derek Foster in secondary slash
cornerbacks coach David Overstreet the second they're coming in here.
They also hired the coordinator of the offensive line coach
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over from Arizona. He's going to come in here and
he will be the Cowboys Clayton Adams.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Clayton Adams.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
And so the thing about Clayton and I think about
here is I thought Arizona did a nice job running,
But here comes a question that how much of it
do we talk about the running?
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Because he has a running quarterback who six of.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Us, and how much of it is? Well, yeah, he
influenced it, and he created, you know, the talent on
the offensive line developed it. But just like here, he
didn't call the plays in Arizona, and he's not going
to be calling the plays here. And I would say
this though, So I didn't get to comment on the
Schottenheimer promotion because I was out ill last week on
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the show, so I missed it. But so just real quick,
I would say, don't worry. I would note that there
Jerry's doing it in a way. That's never worked for him,
and it's not recently worked in the NFL. Like every
other team this hiring cycle, all six other teams have
gone out and hired a head coach from somewhere else.
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Nobody else promoted from within their staff. Jerry's done that
now three times. The other two times were Dave Campo
and Jason Garrett, and they combined to win two playoff
games in whatever the thirteen years fifteen years they were coaches.
Jason won two right.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Camps was five and eleven three, then he helped.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
Get the cap break, give me his credit.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Yeah, so it's not worked. And then since nine what
is what is your two thousand and anyway? Whatever the year?
In recent year, the last seven times an NFL franchise
has promoted from within that head coach has made it
done one and done four times. And only one of
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those coaches in the last five years is still with
the team as the head coach.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
If any of those coaches have been promoted from a loser,
so Todd Bowles.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Todd Bowles is the only one.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Todd Bowles is the exception that I can think of
talk about that, and he was the defensive Cordeona on
a Super Bowl winning team.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Pru Bruce Arians and then Arians retired.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
Yeah, yes, so it's not work.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
But I would say the one thing that makes sense
to me about doing it this way is moving, you know,
keeping some continuity within the offensive system, but making a
change of note as or so they believe that they have,
is that I don't think if you want to run
the football more and that be a significant part of
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your identity on offense, I don't think McCarthy was ever
going to do that. And so to me, that's the
part of it that makes justifies Brian Schottenheimer because Schottenheimer
has led the league in rushing as a play caller
twice in Seattle, and so if that's the way you
want to play, McCarthy wasn't taking you there.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Agree, it was one of the things where I would
defend Ezekiel Elliott in his contract. It's like you when
Jason Garrett was here, you ran the ball. You gave
a contract to a guy who who believed in the
run game.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
He had a guy who could run the ball.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Then he went out and hired a passing a guy
who wants to pass passing coach. And so when people
were like well, he's overpays over this mine if we
have if we're being a little bit fair towards Elliott
in the contract he was hired.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
You gave him that contract based on we're gonna.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Run Jason Garrett right, Jason the offensive line, the brandishing
run game identity, and Garrett was going out of contract
and was being forced to proof he could win. And
he prevailed upon Jerry that that's not fair to me,
to me in that situation if I don't have my
best player, Like Jason thought his best player was Ezekiel Elliott,
and Mike always believed his best player is Stak Prescott
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and that was never gonna chang. The first thing I
said to people when they hired McCarthy was, Zeke Elliott
is done winning Russian championships in Dallas. You were correct,
because Mike was somebody even in Green Bay, who talked
about the importance of running the game and what the
number needed to be every week, and that number was seldom,
if ever reached. It just was an a priority.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Won a cowboy won a game with the Cabiny the
playoffs with David Montgomery a running back, I mean a
wide receiver going running.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Back and how have Jerry and Steven experienced success with
running base man?
Speaker 7 (23:10):
Right?
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Running with football defense.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
That's what they do.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
That and just the history of the franchise back to
Dwayne Thomas, who should have been doing to be a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
Six in right, this, this is what they're there.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
I've told you they play great defense when they've won
championships and they've run the football.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
That has been the history of Cawboy.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Dak has shown you over nine years who he is
and what he's capable of and what he needs around
him to have success. And it's not throwing the ball
forty times a game.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
Nop his sweet spass about thirty two.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
You can pay him like that if you want to,
but don't play.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Him that way, isn't it almost? And I made this comparison.
Tell me if you think I'm off pointed. I said,
it's like Jared Goff. Jared Goff is a guy who
they need to have good offensive line play around him
because up the middle, he definitely can get knocked off
mark quickly and a run game. Go give him what
Brad Holmes did in Detroit. There you went from a
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guy who Sean McVay just said, hymn I'm out on
and the league was like, yeah, man, this guy can't
do it.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
He's a bridge to your next guy, right right that
he turns into a dominant player who yeah, and his
team leads the NFL in scoring. And that's that was
to me the attraction to Ben Johnson because the way
the Lions play is the way the Cowboys should play.
Like they were under center and ran more play action
than any team in football, and look at the results
they had. Nobody scored forty points more than they did.
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I mean, yeah, they failed in the playoffs ultimately, but
that's the way Dak needs to be used. He needs
to get out of being in a shotgun seventy percent
of the time. He needs to be under center and
need to run the football, create balance and help him out.
Like there are all kinds of coaches in the league
who think Dak's perfectly capable of having postseason success if
the Cowboys create the right environment and the right offense
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around him.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Oh think I think that's true because he can throw
the ball. He just doesn't need to throw it forty times, and.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
His mobility is going to be more limited than ever
we would suspect.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
But he's got all the intangibles. He can manage the game,
he can do all the stuff you need to help win,
and he's a good leader.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
And you hit on point right there that I don't
think enough people are talking about is McCarthy was here
for five years and Dak was hurting three of them
one year very significantly.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Two years he missed the majority of the games. And
those were the two years they lost ten games. When
they had Dak, they won twelve games three years in
a row.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
And the best way to try to now coming off
of you know, tore the bowing off the hammy is
is run.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
The football and not with him running the football.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Yeah, correct, correct.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
I talked to Ashton gent Friday at the Doak walker
Ward when he was here and he's like, yeah, I'm ready.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
That's my job. I'll do that job. I want that job.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Yes, yes, And I think and I set this because
I still believe they need you got to address the
D line. To me, I'm like, you know, if you
can't this division right now, if you're trying to win,
if you can't stop the run, good luck and if
Osa Diggy Zoo goes. But even if you keep Osa
digg I mean he's he's a good play.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
You've got two of the best running teams in your
division now, right.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Right, so you need to address that.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
But I could see gent at twelve because he's a name,
he's a running back. You can sell a jersey, you
know that kind of stuff that go.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
To help you win.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
And if you're Brian Schottenheimer and you want to run
the ball, can you go give me presumably the best?
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Well, what that was the argument they had when they
were thinking about drafting Zeke at four right, and the
way they got the defensive coaches to sign off because
they wanted Jalen Ramsey was you can work away. If
you're the opponent, you could work around Jalen Ramsey on defense.
You just throw to the other side. Like you can
let him take away half the field, he can't take
away all of it. Nobody can stop you from giving
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the football to number fifteen from Ohio State as many
times as we want to do it. And that's like,
this is going to help the defense. You're gonna be
on the field fewer plays, you're gonna have the lead,
We're gonna be able to help manage the game. And
that's how they sold it to the defense, and so
they can. I can you can sell anybody on a
running back if that's what if you're gonna use him
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that way.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
If you give him two hundred and ninety cares.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
So he is small, he's small.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
Hell how thick is he?
Speaker 5 (27:19):
He leads? He leads college football and breaking tackles two
years in a row. Now part of that level of competition.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
Mile is short, So so's he's short. He's short. Now.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
I talked to Dennis Thurman, who's the differensive coordinated Hawaii,
and they faced him and he told me, he said, hey.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Look he he is a good football player.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
But he said in the league, he said, he does
wonder of seventeen games like you. Basically, you got to
you gotta have somebody else like Herico coming.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
Back for million five two.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
So so let's just throw this out here. What if
he drafted two guys?
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Dude, you know, I was just about to say that,
meaning like, you take one. I don't know. There's such
a deep class and the question that event inevitably will
come up, do you have to take Ashton? Is he
that much better than the next tier? But you can
certainly take one in the first of the second round
and take another win in it's fifth and a sixth round.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Yeah, a team that has a drafted running back in
for the last five years, I'll settle for one.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
We're is trying to win over here, man.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Which I think they have a lot of holes. So
I don't know that you can devote two of your
draft picks, depending on how many they ultimately end up
with to the running back position, or if that's really necessary.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Okay, so I come back into just what you said,
if the running back position could really help you help
your defense, and we know it's seventeen games and know
just why not get two?
Speaker 5 (28:47):
And I actually need a wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
I don't know what I.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Would pay for Rico Daule at this point in time,
but I mean, I just that can and I'm.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Telling you don't have. The thing is that you can
get him. He's not gonna cause that much, I wouldn't think.
But then you don't have to spend a second pick
on the running back, and the question will be whether
you want a receiver first, or whether you want a
running back first, or whether you want a defensive tackle first.
They got a lot of holes, so go take the
best player. Yeah, they got a lot of hole.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
I A got a tight end.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
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Speaker 5 (29:19):
Here's a couple.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
Now that was who's the Who's the guy who was
killing people running routes at the Senior Bowl?
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Jack Beesh?
Speaker 7 (29:26):
Now the other guy? Oh, some other guy. I can't
remember his name, but he was the best.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
Good player too, Yeah, good player.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
It's gonna be a lot of contested catches, though he
might make most of them.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
There's a lot to look at. There's a lot to
look at.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Hey, let's get our second break in here.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
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Speaker 4 (29:51):
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Speaker 4 (32:17):
No, he scruggs right here with you on the media Mash.
We got the author, Jean Jacques Taylor. We got the
Hall of Famer Edwarder. Ed is it a plaque? I
know it's not a bus over in Can?
Speaker 7 (32:26):
What is it?
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Yeah, they didn't do for some reason, the whole cast iron,
plaster faced thing.
Speaker 9 (32:32):
You know.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
We didn't get a gold jacket from Hagar, which kind
of I like a little better line than you can
go buy one of those, but no, they yeah, they
just there's a plaque and they add your name.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
To it, don't they can't you go buy one of
those though, on your own buy a bus old jacket
gold to Hagar, buy have a gold jacket, a whole one.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
But right, Maybe I'm in.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
A great loose color. He doesn't go with anything. I
think those Hall of Fame guys are I always always
looking him to see how they have accessorized, Like does
their tye go with it? What color shirt really goes
with that thing?
Speaker 7 (33:09):
I got a guy, You got a guy, Carlton.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Carlton Dixon can make you. Carlton Dixon can make you
a gold jacket.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
I put the.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Little I only want what I've earned.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
That you've earned, they would do it to me.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
I earned having my name on a plaque, you know,
from just fifty other people have.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
The name, you know, and I'd love for you to
just show up.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
In here. Yeah no, can't do they give you free
admission to the hall. At least you know there are
There are very few perks that come with being so recognized,
but still a great honor.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
In my mind, I remembered when Cashoy was a reporter
for us A channel Channel five.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
He got one of those colonial glad jackets.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Flat jacket ward and walked around with and people just
gott the stairs.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Did he win?
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah you oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
If you're gonna get me a jacket, give me a
green jacket, I'll pretend they won the Masters.
Speaker 15 (34:07):
See that's apparently you don't have to win the Masters
to get one of those.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
That's one of those where I think somebody would say,
excuse me, sir, I mean you you know, golf community,
now you.
Speaker 7 (34:16):
Know they tell him, right, they watched TV and call
exactly somebody from Augusta will call, I mean, they will
we want that back.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
Yes, we are here, we've seen.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
I mean that we're having our lawyers call you.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll just you know, just some some
troll titled Edward's wearing a gold jacket. But then somebody
from Augusta will call you about that. They they guard
they guard it as you know, as you well know
they they they guard everything.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
But it was a nice weekend. Got to make a
little speech, and you know, Chris actually recorded that for
me without me asking, so I have that forever and
my name's on the plaque.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Did you go as long as Chris Berman did on
the speech?
Speaker 7 (34:55):
Never?
Speaker 6 (34:55):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
Burman came to me one time. I think it was
I guess it was Farvre's first game for the Jets,
and he did this really long and elaborate intro which
he's known to do and I get like forty five
seconds from my entire report.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
And I said to him on the air when he
finally threw it to me, I said, Boomer, if that
would have taken any longer, I would have had gone
in the locker room and make sure Farv didn't change
teams again. And he said, well, if you don't like it,
we'd have Rachel Nichols take it next time.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
Well, now now it's perfect boom.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Thanks.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
I'd like it a lot better knowing my options.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Super Bowl week down in New Orleans.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
One of the best sites I think if you're gonna
have Super Bowl Miami, New Orleans, LA. Otherwise, eh, but
I love those three sites there. The Cowboys have a
lot of free agents here. If you're going to throw
a franchise tag, and the players that are you know,
significant players that are up. You got your your kicker
turner a Devonte Camanti turping his up kicker, Brandon Aubrey.
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He's had another sensational You're gonna have to pay this guy.
He's such a weapon. Also, Diggy Zoo on your defensive line,
he's up your slot corner. Jordan Lewis is up here.
If you're throwing a franchise tag someplay.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Where do you go? Are those guys?
Speaker 5 (36:17):
The two special Teams guys are restricted though, right I
believe so? Yeah, so so you get a chance to
keep them if you want to. I mean, I don't
know that they other than those two guys, I don't
think they have a player that justifies using the franchise tag,
and they've not been reluctant to use the franchise tag
on this team over the years.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
I like USA, but I'm not paying those of twenty
three million.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
I was just looking it up.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
Osa.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
He's one of the biggest names in this class. He
plays a premium position. There's thirteen defensive tackles making over
twenty million a year. But are you gonna pay him
over twenty million a year? For last year he had
his best year. He had forty seven tackles, career high,
crew high, four and a half sacks, crew high, twenty
three quarterback hits. Did you ever watch a game and say,
oh my god, he's taking over this game.
Speaker 7 (36:59):
See, he had moments, but he didn't dominate games. And
he's okay to have moments, and he's a good player,
but he's not twenty three men.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
But the problem for them is, under any system, if
they lose him, they got to sign two. Now, you
gotta sign two defensive tackles right that are starting caliber.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
And Matt Eberflus the.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
New defensive quarter and we're just talking about the new
coaching staff. Ibra Flus needs a three technique tackle like
that's what he bases everything he does on.
Speaker 7 (37:27):
And if it's not.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Gonna be Osa, who are you gonna have? Well, then
Chauncey Golston is better outside than inside.
Speaker 7 (37:34):
I would do this, and he's up. I would rather.
I'd rather give us a longer term deal than a
franchise deal because at least then this cap numbers is
not bad. He's a good player, he's just not a
great player. And maybe I can get make good player
money over long term, then great player money over short term.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Is there a player on the roster you look at
and you say, I don't think he's gonna be here
next year, that the Cowboys may make a salary capboy,
And for me, I think about Terrence Steele, your right tackle,
and knowing that, okay, Geyton is going to be playing somewhere,
be it left or right tackle, and you had awesome richards.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
Last year who showed you something.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
But then again, you know, we don't know what the
new coaching staff thinks.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Say what is the new coaching staff think? But I've
got to believe that's where I kind of go back
to Shoty. I'm assuming he was in on last year
when there were times where they were you know.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
They chose not to play him at the end of
the year. They chose a dooga over him. Who's a
journeyman offensive tackle over your first round pick when they
had their choice in important games at the end of
the season. It's important as it could be for Mike
trying to save his job, that's who they trusted. The
coaches were all competing for their jobs and who did
they trust not guiding. Now, that doesn't mean he won't
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have a great offseason and won't be better in this scheme,
and maybe he does change positions and he's a better
player at right tackle than he was at left tackle,
but they clearly did not trust him as a rookie.
Speaker 7 (39:03):
No, and he you know, man, it's I had a
question about him off the rip, just because you know,
we're talking about the seventh or eighth tackle in the
in the draft that they took changing positions, and you know,
he's a guy. To me, that's why you don't want
a draft for need, because that's why they drafted. If
they didn't need a tackle, he they weren't taking him
in the first round and so you know, so I
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don't I don't have any great expectations for him.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
They could have gotten a better tackle if they'd stay
where they were, but they traded back and the reward was, well,
you get a starting center out of it, So you
take a lesser tackle potentially.
Speaker 7 (39:38):
Yeah, like I like Bebie, but I mean you still need.
I probably like Steel better than I like syl Of
Gadden right now.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
I think the guy that got a big question on
is DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 7 (39:49):
See I don't know if that's so much a question.
I think he's I.
Speaker 6 (39:51):
Wouldn't move on.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
And I just and you hope Sam Williams can stay
healthy and being better off there.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
This is one of those where this is where you
got to look at that in the draft. You know,
at twelve, I mean, how many things are in play
at twelve? Running backs in play, defensive tackle could be
in play, the tight end could be in play. Me
they've got needs all over the place, but wide receiver.
Speaker 7 (40:14):
Right. But but I corner I have.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
When I think about the totality of his career, you've
just about gotten as much as you're gonna get out
of him. His better days are gone if you bring
him back. Now, you're hoping he stays healthy.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
He's a good player on the championship team. This ain't
no championship team.
Speaker 6 (40:34):
Yeah, I just think that.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
And this has kind of been the issue with you
holding on the guys too long.
Speaker 7 (40:40):
He takes some listends from Nico. That's how you. Nico like, Hey,
I don't like you, Dug. You've served us well by bye.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
I don't care what I get back. I'm just getting
rid of you.
Speaker 6 (40:54):
I like it.
Speaker 15 (40:54):
But you'll know fully about Steel pretty early because looking
at spow track and says that his thirteen point twenty
five million contract is fully guaranteed as of March sixteenth, five.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
Yeah, so they'll be making a March call on him,
which were a month away and five weeks away from
that decision.
Speaker 6 (41:14):
But awesome Richards.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
And Tyler Guy looked like they Hearing that from Chris
makes me think that these these two good look like, Hey,
we'll do do that, Douga one more time.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
I didn't season steal one of like three players who
played every snap on offense last year in the entire league.
And he is a he is a pretty good runs
a nice so if you're going that direction, and he's.
Speaker 7 (41:37):
Three years away from his injury, so maybe he will
be what he was when they gave him his deal
and they had so much hype for him.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
But if they have money issues like they talked about here,
and you're trying to get this, you're trying to get
Michael Parsons, but you.
Speaker 7 (41:50):
Don't want to get rid of guys they can help
you and keep first round picks that maybe cannot.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
Does Zach Martin make more sense than.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
Zach Minin said something interesting the other day. Yeah, and
in Dallas or whether I'm playing, he.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
Went out of his way to note I'm a free agent,
by the way, like that was I thought that stuck
out at me. Of the comments he made about whether
he's going to continue playing and whether it'll be here,
he was the one who was pushing the whole don't
forget I can leave if I want to.
Speaker 7 (42:14):
Right, which is his way of saying, if you want
me to come back, comes come correct, and I'd be like, hey, Doug,
you got to.
Speaker 15 (42:20):
Go now in saying that about Steele his dead cap,
they release him as also thirteen point five million, so.
Speaker 7 (42:27):
Oh so it might as well keep him.
Speaker 5 (42:29):
Hey, So you keep him and you have him for
three million versus I guess you can split the cap
hit over two years the dead money.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
But you raise a good point when you talk about
his ability in the run game, run blood. Now, how
does Clayton Adams and Brian Schottenheimer see him now fitting?
And this is so just in that you know, to
make me think again, that's what we got to do
something I think I get more from think again. Okay,
then then maybe you're going to be able to put
him in a better position to take advantage more of
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his talent.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
And you say, all the chaos they had with the
offensive line and all the injuries slash year, and he's
the one guy who was there every week and every
snap of every game.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
And maybe this isn't if if Guyton doesn't get it,
then maybe Richards is the guy. And then you now
have Guitten as a swing tackle. And I mean, at
the end of the day, if you're trying to win
you're trying to, you know, figure figure this out. But
these these are the questions you have to do, and
you're not getting rid of its. Kind of like Mazie
Smith like, hey, you're not get rid of the guy
because because he hasn't so.
Speaker 6 (43:27):
Far been the player you wanted him to be. But
that's what you got to do, coach.
Speaker 7 (43:30):
To that point, that was if he's my swing tackle.
I'm just like, what d you say?
Speaker 6 (43:35):
You got three years to show us something?
Speaker 7 (43:37):
Maybe Bill Parson says, I'll take two.
Speaker 6 (43:39):
Well, Bill said he got it from Ton.
Speaker 7 (43:41):
I know, but I'm stretching on, Bill, take.
Speaker 4 (43:45):
You better show up to show something. We're gonna have
to move off. Bill was ready to move on so well,
I mean, look, Mazzie should have every opportunity to fail
and that and that's what this is your three Hey,
third different coach.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
That doesn't help for him either.
Speaker 6 (44:03):
And there you go. Let's see what the third different
coach has.
Speaker 5 (44:07):
Let's sad, a third different coach and one who really
emphasizes that position, that defensive tackle position.
Speaker 7 (44:13):
We're the one who wants you to play like your
hands on fire.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
And no better way to flush it all out. We
will know after year three.
Speaker 7 (44:20):
Now we gonna know after the first few minute cans
whether his tongue is dragging or whether he's been working
at and knowing that I is gonna be like sprint
to the ball. Sprint to the ball, sprint to the ball.
Speaker 5 (44:31):
These are good things, correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah, get up
off the ground.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
At some point in time, you got to you know,
you gotta know. I mean Jerry West, when the late
Jerry West once told me, said, the problem with general managers,
they don't want most people don't want to admit their
mistake and go handle.
Speaker 6 (44:44):
It right away.
Speaker 7 (44:45):
Nico d he thought he made a mistake. I'm finna
handle it right now.
Speaker 6 (44:52):
He didn't draft him.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
I was gonna say his mistake, his mistake was ending
it now. The beginning was of the problem. The acquisition
wasn't the problem.
Speaker 7 (45:01):
Hey man. Somebody once told me, same thing, make you lab,
make you cry. When he got when he went and
got Kyrie was yes, same thing, make you lab make
you cry.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
As Edward said at the top of the show, Jerry's
moved up to the generalman.
Speaker 7 (45:16):
He goes down at all times.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
He got dead lass with a bullet right now, hoping
this thing turns around Edwarder, Thank you, thank you, Chris Bean,
thank you. Everybody here a part of Dallas Cowboys dot
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Speaker 4 (00:25):
Media Mash, Media Mash Today, We're gonna have some fun.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
Let's bringing that enthusiasm, joy and passion.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Baby No Backstead is talking Ron Washington today about that baby,
So joy and passions. We've got the Hall of Famer
Edwarders here. He is the author. He is John Jacques
Taylor working on a new book. That is it going
to be this year's release? I know you won't get
next year.
Speaker 6 (00:48):
Next year?
Speaker 7 (00:49):
Yes, Okay, who's the subject? Oh, we're not talking about that,
but sports.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Oh we're not sports. A sports figure, sports and leader
could be, could be a Cowboys Cowboys figure.
Speaker 6 (01:01):
John John spent a whole lot of time in college
with Coach Prime.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
By the way, when I go to the library, I still,
you know, I still I still see the Coach Prime
book over there.
Speaker 7 (01:09):
That kind of paper book should be out some Okay,
has anybody checked it out?
Speaker 6 (01:12):
It's a hard copy. I've checked it out. You've checked
it out, yes, And he also gave me an autograph copies.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Right, not me all I all the time I spent
with this young man, developing his skill set, trusting me out,
admonishing him when it was necessary, teaching him joy and.
Speaker 7 (01:27):
Passion, definitely passion. What copy wasn't much joy in that
Philadelphia press box till two o'clock while the agony writer
was arguing with the editor, and I was too new
to be like, I'm fin to take a cab, I
hollered you later.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
You gotta believe in what you're writing, man, him, and
stand for it frasier and ali over over just all
night long.
Speaker 8 (01:51):
Man.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
That's that's why I remember it so clearly, as.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
You well know from your time work, because if your inconvenience,
that's what you remember about it.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Your time working meets if I. You know, we just
got to do it. We did it, and now ed
you're over chan lay. You know there's no editor, know
that it's do it.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Yeah, what you want to say?
Speaker 6 (02:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they trust you, they'd.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Like here, yeah, remarkably, Yes, it's Super Bowl week?
Speaker 6 (02:15):
Have you really dialed into it at all?
Speaker 5 (02:18):
It's not the same as being there obviously. I mean
for twenty plus years, you know, Sal covered a team
and I covered the other team, and you were responsible
for every single thing that happened. I mean I I
covered the Raiders when the Barrett Barrett Robin's story broke
about gone game day? Where was he? Why was he
(02:38):
not in the hotel? Why was he not in the country.
I also was covering the Falcons and had to wake
Dan Reeves up the morning of the game about the
Eugene Robinson arrest. So, yeah, there have been a few
things I've had to cover of some scale that are
far beyond what we're doing here today.
Speaker 7 (02:54):
He was trying to play with joy and passion.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Is that what their names were?
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Perhaps Man a year NFL Man of the Year?
Speaker 7 (03:05):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Yes, Do you feel like what we give you paid
attention at all?
Speaker 7 (03:09):
I paid one? Let me press it. No, I have
not paid any attention to it. Two. Over the years,
I have developed a real disdain for pregame chatter, like,
I don't like it at all. I don't watch pregame
shows during the season. It's just a bunch of superfluous
blah blah blah blah, blah.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
I've spent a lot of time like analyzing the matchup
and gathering statistical information that I find to be fascinating
for to share in situations like this.
Speaker 7 (03:37):
Yes, I don't mind an occasional statstat but all this,
I mean it's just too much.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
So this is beauty. This is beautiful.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
I'm glad you said it, ed because you know the
third person, Newie Scrungs, has been doing Cowboys and Luca Dutch.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
That's what my last week was.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
No, that's all Luca Baby.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
And Cowboys coaching hires and Elka being traded.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I mean, you know the hired to run back. Okay, great, Yes,
he was like, let's hear from Anthony Davis. So that's
where I've been in that. I've been in that in
that hole. So Philadelphia is a point and a half favorite.
Here are we talking enough about their defense because that
if they win this game, it's gonna have to be
with a supreme defensive effort.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Well, Philadelphia is the first team since the ninety two
Cowboys to go into the Super Bowl with the NFL's
leading rusher Saquon Barkley and the league's number one defense.
The Cowboys obviously did it with Emmett Smith and that
Charles Haley led defense back in nineteen ninety two and
they won the Super Bowl. And I mean the Eagles
have what they've got the number one defense in football
(04:42):
under Vic Fangio. I think, just overall, the Eagles are
going to be a real challenge for the Chiefs across
the board. I think the thing the Eagles have to
do to win the game is force Mahomes to hold
the ball. If his first receivers open, he's going to
beat you. And and he generally has gotten it out quick.
Philadelphia has been, you know, dominant in the playoffs. I
(05:04):
mean thrown on a scoring tear. Uh, They've got ten
takeaways and not turned the ball over yet. Nobody's done
that going into a Super Bowl. In fact, this is
the this is the first Super Bowl where the two
starting quarterbacks have gone entered the game having a streak
of more than two hundred consecutive passes without an interception.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
Now, see, all of that is great, and it makes sense,
and I buy into it, except at the end of
the day, you go, you're gonna take Mahomes, You're gonna
take Hurts, You're gonna take Andy Reid, you're gonna take Sirianni. Now,
Spagnola might be a push with Fangio, but still it's Spagnola.
And so at the three key spots, I picked the Chiefs.
(05:43):
That's why it's hired for me to bet against the Chiefs.
And if the game is closed in the fourth quarter,
I believe in Mahomes magic. Now ain't the only one, obviously,
but that's how I get done well.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Jalen Hurts and Sirianni have not won an away game
in the postseason in their careers, and they've not won
a neutral site game yet in their careers. But they
almost did, and it was against the Chiefs.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
Well, you know, Hurts is now I say out, but
Hurts tends to be a big game player, so you know.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Well he had a historic day the last time in
the Super Bowl against the Chiefs with the three touchdown runs,
seventy yards rushing, three hundred yards passing.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
I expect the same kind of game, really the fourth quarter,
end of the game. Who got the ball, go make
it happen.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Yeah, nobody's all that. It seems all that excited about
the matchup. I know, we just saw it, but it
was a great game.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
It's a great game, man, because the Chiefs have gone
on to this other next level of it. I think
we've kind of forgotten that what Philadelphia did in the game.
I was telling somebody about Jayleen Hurtson. This guy's had
two championship games where he did all he could. The
first win against Alabama, he left the field with the
lead and then you know, de Shahn Watson just happened
(06:47):
to go take Clemson right down the field and win
that football game. So it's like Jalen did, he did
his part right, he did his part. Saban's defense didn't
hold up. And then of course in the Super Bowl,
you couldn't ask him to do more. Mean he he
did his part.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
To be fumbled and it was returned for a touchdown.
Yeah yeah, you could ask him not to fumble this
time and the game could be different.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Yeah yeah, fair point. But overall, you know, you you know.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
If you're if you take that game every time, if.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
He gives you, if he came back and gave you
those same numbers this Sunday, you'd.
Speaker 7 (07:16):
Say, okay, okay, yeah, but you know, Andy Reid had
something special for him because that's what he do.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
So obviously Andy Reid is got a Hall of Fame
resume at this point time. What about someone like Steve Spagnolo, who, oh,
by the way, was the defensive coordinator for the New
York Giants when Belichick's undefeated Patriots went out to Arizona
and they won that football game and held them to
(07:43):
fourteen points.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Yeah, where created all kinds of pressure on Braidon Brady
that he had not seen and did not respond well
to in the game.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Right, Where does a guy like that start to fit
in to this new NFL where they are bringing in
like we saw Dick lebou finally get into the Pro
Football Hall Fames, Like, where do we see a stee
Spagnola who's now got four Super Bowl rings as an
assistant coach.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
Could get it which is the most.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
He already has the most, and he has a chance
to get another one this weekend.
Speaker 7 (08:12):
But now I think he's finally I think I think
it all falls down to people in the league know
you're really good, you're great, and then it finally for
somebody like him, then it finally starts to seep into
the media, and then you start getting attention. Like last
in the last game they played, you know it was.
It wasn't just that he called the blitz that they
hadn't seen all year. He called a corner blitz that
they hadn't seen on Those are kinds of things you
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hear when people have respect for you and they start
talking to you and getting in teach, and he.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Saved it for exactly and yeah, the biggest moment in
the game.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
And why do we remember all of this because they
talked about it, They made a big deal about it.
So now it's kind of in your conscience, like, oh,
what's Maagnola got for him this this week? And then
what's he saved for the fourth quarter to unveil something
that Jalen Hurst hadn't seen? And will it work?
Speaker 5 (08:55):
And to the Hall of Fame question, I mean, you're right,
he could easily be elected as a contributor or as
a coach. It's still remarkable to me that. I mean,
I think this year's finalist is Mike Holmgren and Mike
Shannan's not in yet. Mike Shanahan won back to back
Super Bowls and we still see people running the Shanahan offense,
including Shanahan's own son, who's had a remarkable amount of
(09:18):
success using it in San Francisco. But I think ultimately
when they debated and when he becomes a candidate, he's
going to have the backing of the New York media,
which will be a significant factor in determining whether he
gets in or not.
Speaker 7 (09:32):
Too.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
It's it's just ironic.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
And I think about even the coaching search that Jerry had,
I got like, see, Spagnola should have been on the list.
When I think about how well dan Quinn adjusted and
with his second opportunity and all that he did that
to me when I just kind of go back and
I think, but you know, Spagnol should have been a
guy that had a conversation with because.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
As he worked here before. No, okay, damn well, well, yeah,
lit were talking about.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
You're talking about the Cowboys. Should have interviewed him.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 6 (10:05):
You know what the Cowboy and other.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Teams and interview and a couple of other teams. I
think he did get a couple of interviews, not in person, obviously,
because he's been preparing a team to play the last
game of the season for the third straight year.
Speaker 9 (10:18):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
You know, I just don't remember which teams it was.
I know that, Uh, the management and ownership of the Rams,
you know, where he was the head coach and it
failed badly. They were a horrible team at the time.
I think Sam Bradford was a quarterback. You know, they've
they really advocated for him to get another opportunity as
a head coach. But obviously, unless the Saints changed their
(10:42):
minds and higher Spagnolo instead of move, everybody expects it
to be Kellen Moore, It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
Now, do you think, because you spend a lot more
time covid Lee, you think Spagnola is a good quality,
is a good candidate for another head coaching job or
is he one of those cats who's just better as
a OC I mean as a DC.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
I mean so, I guess it's just hard to get
past the personality that you see on you know, the
sideline during games. I think he's very demanding, he's very creative.
He has his guys well prepared to execute the plan,
and he has a great plan. But personality wise, I
think the same questions exist about him and being in
front of the room and responsible for the offensive side
of the ball and special teams. You know, he's great
(11:21):
when he's responsible for a third of the team. I
don't know about when it's the whole team, but yeah,
somebody should have probably waited and given him the chance
to explain his vision and how he's changed as a
long time ago.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
That he was the Rams coach, so Jets, Jaguars, Raiders
or those three teams. According to producer Chris had talked
to Stee Spagnell.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
But it's it's quite a few.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
It's just as it's always interesting to me and I
used to say it slim My Dear did my NBC
sports radio show. It's interesting on who we choose to
forgive and who we choose to condemn. You Boom, You're
one chance, You're done, you Hay, come on back, try
it one more day, Nor do it one more time.
Wakefield's come on one more time, you know, Eric man
Jini and don't worry about it.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Try one more time.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
It's very interesting on who gets these well, you mentioned
Dan Quinn. Obviously there's no questions about his personality in
front of a team and his ability to command and
lead a room or to engage with both sides of
the ball. And he was a successful head coach. I
mean he lost to Super Bowl, but he got his
team to the twenty Matt Ryan had an MVP season,
so there weren't the questions about him that there are
(12:23):
about Spagnola. Whether they're right or wrong, I don't know.
I guess they're fair questions, and we don't know how
he answers them and how that comes across. But I'm
surprised he doesn't get another opportunity at some point.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
All right, getting ready to go to break here. We'll
dive more into the Cowboys coaching staff. But give me
your give me your Philadelphia prediction Kansas City Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
I'm gonna take the Chiefs in a historic three p
twenty seven, twenty.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
Four, JJT what you got?
Speaker 7 (12:57):
You know, it was changing my school because I think
a little too high. But I kind of like you
Chiefs thirty one, twenty nine.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Thirty one, twenty nine.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
You know what, I.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
A part of me wants to go with Philadelphia from
the standpoint of the defense. And it just so and
so many times when I started thinking about, you know,
these matchups, and I forget about think about defense. I
go back to the Denver Carolina game, and I think
about that Raider game to Barrett Robinson and we forgot
about that Tampa defense. But there's just something about Patrick
Mahomes and the only Super Bowl he lost is because
(13:34):
they didn't have any tackles that day against Tampa Bay,
and they just they couldn't compete, they couldn't protect him.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
Well.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Remember remember last time these two's teams played in the
Super Bowl was on that questionable field right where nobody
could get any kind of good footing, and it really
crushed the Eagles pass rush. And the Eagles have developed
a great pass rush with you know, Jalen Carter leading inside,
and they've had trouble protecting Mahomes. Like I said, if
you can make him hold the ball, you might be
able to sack him. He's been sacked thirty six times.
I'm during the regular season.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Give me a close football game twenty six, twenty four,
Kansas City wins it at this point in time, That's
what I'll go with. But in Jerio feel really good
because you have to watch Philadelphia Boys one. But let's
dive into Brian Schottenheimer's staff a little bit and get
some thoughts on the running back coach, the offensive coordinator.
The Cowboys are going to be running out here next years.
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All right, media mash right here on Dallascowboys dot Com.
During the break, we're sitting around here talking about Luca,
which was a good thing for Jerry Jones.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
Oh yeah, the very very good thing because moved.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Up the local GM rankings.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
Who thought that was possible? My man, Jim nil Steal
at the top, followed closely by he's not who's at
the top, Christian at the top, Yes, Jim Nilson, No,
he's not. I mean we could debate this debate.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Okay, sir, there's a flag flying, there's a World Series
championship that's here, that right there truck.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
I mean, what else?
Speaker 7 (17:14):
What are we doing this for?
Speaker 6 (17:15):
Right reason?
Speaker 5 (17:17):
You capitulated faster than the Lakers said yes on the
trade groom.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
And look that's because I'm uh, you know, I've got
I forgot what the stars consistency they get there, but
they delivered it ship and once they're delivered, he'll passed
around the rim.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
And so for me it was the whole. It was
twofold one. You delivered it, but also the way you did.
You went out and got Bruce Bochie and I went
out to the press conference. I was surprised at how
little of the local media were there except this. To me,
I said, this is the biggest hiring of a proven
winner since Bill Parcells came three World Series championships. Nobody
(17:55):
went and got the first one against you, like this
guy's now coming here to do This.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
Is the last place last year close.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
To it, so as if he cared.
Speaker 7 (18:09):
Now Boachie does it every other year. So this year
I'm expecting big things.
Speaker 8 (18:12):
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I tend to so, hey man, well win the World
Series next your fish near last week?
Speaker 7 (18:18):
Yeah, deel, I mean, Jerry been living off his thirty
years ago.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
The rent's not been free.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
So Jerry went out and hired Brian Schottenheimer, and the
fan base was restless.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
They weren't happy.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
On Monday that we had the press conference, and Saturday
night everyone really forgot about it. Because Luka Doncic was
traded and so cover has been seen since. The Cowboys
have hired running backs coach Derek Foster in secondary slash
cornerbacks coach David Overstreet the second they're coming in here.
They also hired the coordinator of the offensive line coach
(18:56):
over from Arizona. He's going to come in here and
he will be the Cowboys Clayton Adams.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Clayton Adams.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
And so the thing about Clayton and I think about
here is I thought Arizona did a nice job running,
But here comes a question that how much of it
do we talk about the running?
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Because he has a running quarterback who six of.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Us, and how much of it is? Well, yeah, he
influenced it, and he created, you know, the talent on
the offensive line developed it. But just like here, he
didn't call the plays in Arizona, and he's not going
to be calling the plays here. And I would say
this though, So I didn't get to comment on the
Schottenheimer promotion because I was out ill last week on
(19:38):
the show, so I missed it. But so just real quick,
I would say, don't worry. I would note that there
Jerry's doing it in a way. That's never worked for him,
and it's not recently worked in the NFL. Like every
other team this hiring cycle, all six other teams have
gone out and hired a head coach from somewhere else.
(19:59):
Nobody else promoted from within their staff. Jerry's done that
now three times. The other two times were Dave Campo
and Jason Garrett, and they combined to win two playoff
games in whatever the thirteen years fifteen years they were coaches.
Jason won two right.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Camps was five and eleven three, then he helped.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
Get the cap break, give me his credit.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Yeah, so it's not worked. And then since nine what
is what is your two thousand and anyway? Whatever the year?
In recent year, the last seven times an NFL franchise
has promoted from within that head coach has made it
done one and done four times. And only one of
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those coaches in the last five years is still with
the team as the head coach.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
If any of those coaches have been promoted from a loser,
so Todd Bowles.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Todd Bowles is the only one.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Todd Bowles is the exception that I can think of
talk about that, and he was the defensive Cordeona on
a Super Bowl winning team.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Pru Bruce Arians and then Arians retired.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
Yeah, yes, so it's not work.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
But I would say the one thing that makes sense
to me about doing it this way is moving, you know,
keeping some continuity within the offensive system, but making a
change of note as or so they believe that they have,
is that I don't think if you want to run
the football more and that be a significant part of
(21:33):
your identity on offense, I don't think McCarthy was ever
going to do that. And so to me, that's the
part of it that makes justifies Brian Schottenheimer because Schottenheimer
has led the league in rushing as a play caller
twice in Seattle, and so if that's the way you
want to play, McCarthy wasn't taking you there.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Agree, it was one of the things where I would
defend Ezekiel Elliott in his contract. It's like you when
Jason Garrett was here, you ran the ball. You gave
a contract to a guy who who believed in the
run game.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
He had a guy who could run the ball.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Then he went out and hired a passing a guy
who wants to pass passing coach. And so when people
were like well, he's overpays over this mine if we
have if we're being a little bit fair towards Elliott
in the contract he was hired.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
You gave him that contract based on we're gonna.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Run Jason Garrett right, Jason the offensive line, the brandishing
run game identity, and Garrett was going out of contract
and was being forced to proof he could win. And
he prevailed upon Jerry that that's not fair to me,
to me in that situation if I don't have my
best player, Like Jason thought his best player was Ezekiel Elliott,
and Mike always believed his best player is Stak Prescott
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and that was never gonna chang. The first thing I
said to people when they hired McCarthy was, Zeke Elliott
is done winning Russian championships in Dallas. You were correct,
because Mike was somebody even in Green Bay, who talked
about the importance of running the game and what the
number needed to be every week, and that number was seldom,
if ever reached. It just was an a priority.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Won a cowboy won a game with the Cabiny the
playoffs with David Montgomery a running back, I mean a
wide receiver going running.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Back and how have Jerry and Steven experienced success with
running base man?
Speaker 7 (23:10):
Right?
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Running with football defense.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
That's what they do.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
That and just the history of the franchise back to
Dwayne Thomas, who should have been doing to be a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
Six in right, this, this is what they're there.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
I've told you they play great defense when they've won
championships and they've run the football.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
That has been the history of Cawboy.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Dak has shown you over nine years who he is
and what he's capable of and what he needs around
him to have success. And it's not throwing the ball
forty times a game.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
Nop his sweet spass about thirty two.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
You can pay him like that if you want to,
but don't play.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Him that way, isn't it almost? And I made this comparison.
Tell me if you think I'm off pointed. I said,
it's like Jared Goff. Jared Goff is a guy who
they need to have good offensive line play around him
because up the middle, he definitely can get knocked off
mark quickly and a run game. Go give him what
Brad Holmes did in Detroit. There you went from a
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guy who Sean McVay just said, hymn I'm out on
and the league was like, yeah, man, this guy can't
do it.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
He's a bridge to your next guy, right right that
he turns into a dominant player who yeah, and his
team leads the NFL in scoring. And that's that was
to me the attraction to Ben Johnson because the way
the Lions play is the way the Cowboys should play.
Like they were under center and ran more play action
than any team in football, and look at the results
they had. Nobody scored forty points more than they did.
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I mean, yeah, they failed in the playoffs ultimately, but
that's the way Dak needs to be used. He needs
to get out of being in a shotgun seventy percent
of the time. He needs to be under center and
need to run the football, create balance and help him out.
Like there are all kinds of coaches in the league
who think Dak's perfectly capable of having postseason success if
the Cowboys create the right environment and the right offense
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around him.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Oh think I think that's true because he can throw
the ball. He just doesn't need to throw it forty times, and.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
His mobility is going to be more limited than ever
we would suspect.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
But he's got all the intangibles. He can manage the game,
he can do all the stuff you need to help win,
and he's a good leader.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
And you hit on point right there that I don't
think enough people are talking about is McCarthy was here
for five years and Dak was hurting three of them
one year very significantly.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Two years he missed the majority of the games. And
those were the two years they lost ten games. When
they had Dak, they won twelve games three years in
a row.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
And the best way to try to now coming off
of you know, tore the bowing off the hammy is
is run.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
The football and not with him running the football.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Yeah, correct, correct.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
I talked to Ashton gent Friday at the Doak walker
Ward when he was here and he's like, yeah, I'm ready.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
That's my job. I'll do that job. I want that job.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Yes, yes, And I think and I set this because
I still believe they need you got to address the
D line. To me, I'm like, you know, if you
can't this division right now, if you're trying to win,
if you can't stop the run, good luck and if
Osa Diggy Zoo goes. But even if you keep Osa
digg I mean he's he's a good play.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
You've got two of the best running teams in your
division now, right.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Right, so you need to address that.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
But I could see gent at twelve because he's a name,
he's a running back. You can sell a jersey, you
know that kind of stuff that go.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
To help you win.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
And if you're Brian Schottenheimer and you want to run
the ball, can you go give me presumably the best?
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Well, what that was the argument they had when they
were thinking about drafting Zeke at four right, and the
way they got the defensive coaches to sign off because
they wanted Jalen Ramsey was you can work away. If
you're the opponent, you could work around Jalen Ramsey on defense.
You just throw to the other side. Like you can
let him take away half the field, he can't take
away all of it. Nobody can stop you from giving
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the football to number fifteen from Ohio State as many
times as we want to do it. And that's like,
this is going to help the defense. You're gonna be
on the field fewer plays, you're gonna have the lead,
We're gonna be able to help manage the game. And
that's how they sold it to the defense, and so
they can. I can you can sell anybody on a
running back if that's what if you're gonna use him
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that way.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
If you give him two hundred and ninety cares.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
So he is small, he's small.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
Hell how thick is he?
Speaker 5 (27:19):
He leads? He leads college football and breaking tackles two
years in a row. Now part of that level of competition.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
Mile is short, So so's he's short. He's short. Now.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
I talked to Dennis Thurman, who's the differensive coordinated Hawaii,
and they faced him and he told me, he said, hey.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Look he he is a good football player.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
But he said in the league, he said, he does
wonder of seventeen games like you. Basically, you got to
you gotta have somebody else like Herico coming.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
Back for million five two.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
So so let's just throw this out here. What if
he drafted two guys?
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Dude, you know, I was just about to say that,
meaning like, you take one. I don't know. There's such
a deep class and the question that event inevitably will
come up, do you have to take Ashton? Is he
that much better than the next tier? But you can
certainly take one in the first of the second round
and take another win in it's fifth and a sixth round.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Yeah, a team that has a drafted running back in
for the last five years, I'll settle for one.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
We're is trying to win over here, man.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Which I think they have a lot of holes. So
I don't know that you can devote two of your
draft picks, depending on how many they ultimately end up
with to the running back position, or if that's really necessary.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Okay, so I come back into just what you said,
if the running back position could really help you help
your defense, and we know it's seventeen games and know
just why not get two?
Speaker 5 (28:47):
And I actually need a wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
I don't know what I.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Would pay for Rico Daule at this point in time,
but I mean, I just that can and I'm.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Telling you don't have. The thing is that you can
get him. He's not gonna cause that much, I wouldn't think.
But then you don't have to spend a second pick
on the running back, and the question will be whether
you want a receiver first, or whether you want a
running back first, or whether you want a defensive tackle first.
They got a lot of holes, so go take the
best player. Yeah, they got a lot of hole.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
I A got a tight end.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
If your boy from Penn State.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
Here's a couple.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
Now that was who's the Who's the guy who was
killing people running routes at the Senior Bowl?
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Jack Beesh?
Speaker 7 (29:26):
Now the other guy? Oh, some other guy. I can't
remember his name, but he was the best.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
Good player too, Yeah, good player.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
It's gonna be a lot of contested catches, though he
might make most of them.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
There's a lot to look at. There's a lot to
look at.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Hey, let's get our second break in here.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
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Speaker 4 (29:51):
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Speaker 6 (29:55):
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Speaker 4 (32:17):
No, he scruggs right here with you on the media Mash.
We got the author, Jean Jacques Taylor. We got the
Hall of Famer Edwarder. Ed is it a plaque? I
know it's not a bus over in Can?
Speaker 7 (32:26):
What is it?
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Yeah, they didn't do for some reason, the whole cast iron,
plaster faced thing.
Speaker 9 (32:32):
You know.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
We didn't get a gold jacket from Hagar, which kind
of I like a little better line than you can
go buy one of those, but no, they yeah, they
just there's a plaque and they add your name.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
To it, don't they can't you go buy one of
those though, on your own buy a bus old jacket
gold to Hagar, buy have a gold jacket, a whole one.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
But right, Maybe I'm in.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
A great loose color. He doesn't go with anything. I
think those Hall of Fame guys are I always always
looking him to see how they have accessorized, Like does
their tye go with it? What color shirt really goes
with that thing?
Speaker 7 (33:09):
I got a guy, You got a guy, Carlton.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Carlton Dixon can make you. Carlton Dixon can make you
a gold jacket.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
I put the.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Little I only want what I've earned.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
That you've earned, they would do it to me.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
I earned having my name on a plaque, you know,
from just fifty other people have.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
The name, you know, and I'd love for you to
just show up.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
In here. Yeah no, can't do they give you free
admission to the hall. At least you know there are
There are very few perks that come with being so recognized,
but still a great honor.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
In my mind, I remembered when Cashoy was a reporter
for us A channel Channel five.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
He got one of those colonial glad jackets.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Flat jacket ward and walked around with and people just
gott the stairs.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Did he win?
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah you oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
If you're gonna get me a jacket, give me a
green jacket, I'll pretend they won the Masters.
Speaker 15 (34:07):
See that's apparently you don't have to win the Masters
to get one of those.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
That's one of those where I think somebody would say,
excuse me, sir, I mean you you know, golf community,
now you.
Speaker 7 (34:16):
Know they tell him, right, they watched TV and call
exactly somebody from Augusta will call, I mean, they will
we want that back.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
Yes, we are here, we've seen.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
I mean that we're having our lawyers call you.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll just you know, just some some
troll titled Edward's wearing a gold jacket. But then somebody
from Augusta will call you about that. They they guard
they guard it as you know, as you well know
they they they guard everything.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
But it was a nice weekend. Got to make a
little speech, and you know, Chris actually recorded that for
me without me asking, so I have that forever and
my name's on the plaque.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Did you go as long as Chris Berman did on
the speech?
Speaker 7 (34:55):
Never?
Speaker 6 (34:55):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
Burman came to me one time. I think it was
I guess it was Farvre's first game for the Jets,
and he did this really long and elaborate intro which
he's known to do and I get like forty five
seconds from my entire report.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
And I said to him on the air when he
finally threw it to me, I said, Boomer, if that
would have taken any longer, I would have had gone
in the locker room and make sure Farv didn't change
teams again. And he said, well, if you don't like it,
we'd have Rachel Nichols take it next time.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
Well, now now it's perfect boom.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Thanks.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
I'd like it a lot better knowing my options.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Super Bowl week down in New Orleans.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
One of the best sites I think if you're gonna
have Super Bowl Miami, New Orleans, LA. Otherwise, eh, but
I love those three sites there. The Cowboys have a
lot of free agents here. If you're going to throw
a franchise tag, and the players that are you know,
significant players that are up. You got your your kicker
turner a Devonte Camanti turping his up kicker, Brandon Aubrey.
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He's had another sensational You're gonna have to pay this guy.
He's such a weapon. Also, Diggy Zoo on your defensive line,
he's up your slot corner. Jordan Lewis is up here.
If you're throwing a franchise tag someplay.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Where do you go? Are those guys?
Speaker 5 (36:17):
The two special Teams guys are restricted though, right I
believe so? Yeah, so so you get a chance to
keep them if you want to. I mean, I don't
know that they other than those two guys, I don't
think they have a player that justifies using the franchise tag,
and they've not been reluctant to use the franchise tag
on this team over the years.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
I like USA, but I'm not paying those of twenty
three million.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
I was just looking it up.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
Osa.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
He's one of the biggest names in this class. He
plays a premium position. There's thirteen defensive tackles making over
twenty million a year. But are you gonna pay him
over twenty million a year? For last year he had
his best year. He had forty seven tackles, career high,
crew high, four and a half sacks, crew high, twenty
three quarterback hits. Did you ever watch a game and say,
oh my god, he's taking over this game.
Speaker 7 (36:59):
See, he had moments, but he didn't dominate games. And
he's okay to have moments, and he's a good player,
but he's not twenty three men.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
But the problem for them is, under any system, if
they lose him, they got to sign two. Now, you
gotta sign two defensive tackles right that are starting caliber.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
And Matt Eberflus the.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
New defensive quarter and we're just talking about the new
coaching staff. Ibra Flus needs a three technique tackle like
that's what he bases everything he does on.
Speaker 7 (37:27):
And if it's not.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Gonna be Osa, who are you gonna have? Well, then
Chauncey Golston is better outside than inside.
Speaker 7 (37:34):
I would do this, and he's up. I would rather.
I'd rather give us a longer term deal than a
franchise deal because at least then this cap numbers is
not bad. He's a good player, he's just not a
great player. And maybe I can get make good player
money over long term, then great player money over short term.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Is there a player on the roster you look at
and you say, I don't think he's gonna be here
next year, that the Cowboys may make a salary capboy,
And for me, I think about Terrence Steele, your right tackle,
and knowing that, okay, Geyton is going to be playing somewhere,
be it left or right tackle, and you had awesome richards.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
Last year who showed you something.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
But then again, you know, we don't know what the
new coaching staff thinks.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Say what is the new coaching staff think? But I've
got to believe that's where I kind of go back
to Shoty. I'm assuming he was in on last year
when there were times where they were you know.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
They chose not to play him at the end of
the year. They chose a dooga over him. Who's a
journeyman offensive tackle over your first round pick when they
had their choice in important games at the end of
the season. It's important as it could be for Mike
trying to save his job, that's who they trusted. The
coaches were all competing for their jobs and who did
they trust not guiding. Now, that doesn't mean he won't
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have a great offseason and won't be better in this scheme,
and maybe he does change positions and he's a better
player at right tackle than he was at left tackle,
but they clearly did not trust him as a rookie.
Speaker 7 (39:03):
No, and he you know, man, it's I had a
question about him off the rip, just because you know,
we're talking about the seventh or eighth tackle in the
in the draft that they took changing positions, and you know,
he's a guy. To me, that's why you don't want
a draft for need, because that's why they drafted. If
they didn't need a tackle, he they weren't taking him
in the first round and so you know, so I
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don't I don't have any great expectations for him.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
They could have gotten a better tackle if they'd stay
where they were, but they traded back and the reward was, well,
you get a starting center out of it, So you
take a lesser tackle potentially.
Speaker 7 (39:38):
Yeah, like I like Bebie, but I mean you still need.
I probably like Steel better than I like syl Of
Gadden right now.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
I think the guy that got a big question on
is DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 7 (39:49):
See I don't know if that's so much a question.
I think he's I.
Speaker 6 (39:51):
Wouldn't move on.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
And I just and you hope Sam Williams can stay
healthy and being better off there.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
This is one of those where this is where you
got to look at that in the draft. You know,
at twelve, I mean, how many things are in play
at twelve? Running backs in play, defensive tackle could be
in play, the tight end could be in play. Me
they've got needs all over the place, but wide receiver.
Speaker 7 (40:14):
Right. But but I corner I have.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
When I think about the totality of his career, you've
just about gotten as much as you're gonna get out
of him. His better days are gone if you bring
him back. Now, you're hoping he stays healthy.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
He's a good player on the championship team. This ain't
no championship team.
Speaker 6 (40:34):
Yeah, I just think that.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
And this has kind of been the issue with you
holding on the guys too long.
Speaker 7 (40:40):
He takes some listends from Nico. That's how you. Nico like, Hey,
I don't like you, Dug. You've served us well by bye.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
I don't care what I get back. I'm just getting
rid of you.
Speaker 6 (40:54):
I like it.
Speaker 15 (40:54):
But you'll know fully about Steel pretty early because looking
at spow track and says that his thirteen point twenty
five million contract is fully guaranteed as of March sixteenth, five.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
Yeah, so they'll be making a March call on him,
which were a month away and five weeks away from
that decision.
Speaker 6 (41:14):
But awesome Richards.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
And Tyler Guy looked like they Hearing that from Chris
makes me think that these these two good look like, Hey,
we'll do do that, Douga one more time.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
I didn't season steal one of like three players who
played every snap on offense last year in the entire league.
And he is a he is a pretty good runs
a nice so if you're going that direction, and he's.
Speaker 7 (41:37):
Three years away from his injury, so maybe he will
be what he was when they gave him his deal
and they had so much hype for him.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
But if they have money issues like they talked about here,
and you're trying to get this, you're trying to get
Michael Parsons, but you.
Speaker 7 (41:50):
Don't want to get rid of guys they can help
you and keep first round picks that maybe cannot.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
Does Zach Martin make more sense than.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
Zach Minin said something interesting the other day. Yeah, and
in Dallas or whether I'm playing, he.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
Went out of his way to note I'm a free agent,
by the way, like that was I thought that stuck
out at me. Of the comments he made about whether
he's going to continue playing and whether it'll be here,
he was the one who was pushing the whole don't
forget I can leave if I want to.
Speaker 7 (42:14):
Right, which is his way of saying, if you want
me to come back, comes come correct, and I'd be like, hey, Doug,
you got to.
Speaker 15 (42:20):
Go now in saying that about Steele his dead cap,
they release him as also thirteen point five million, so.
Speaker 7 (42:27):
Oh so it might as well keep him.
Speaker 5 (42:29):
Hey, So you keep him and you have him for
three million versus I guess you can split the cap
hit over two years the dead money.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
But you raise a good point when you talk about
his ability in the run game, run blood. Now, how
does Clayton Adams and Brian Schottenheimer see him now fitting?
And this is so just in that you know, to
make me think again, that's what we got to do
something I think I get more from think again. Okay,
then then maybe you're going to be able to put
him in a better position to take advantage more of
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his talent.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
And you say, all the chaos they had with the
offensive line and all the injuries slash year, and he's
the one guy who was there every week and every
snap of every game.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
And maybe this isn't if if Guyton doesn't get it,
then maybe Richards is the guy. And then you now
have Guitten as a swing tackle. And I mean, at
the end of the day, if you're trying to win
you're trying to, you know, figure figure this out. But
these these are the questions you have to do, and
you're not getting rid of its. Kind of like Mazie
Smith like, hey, you're not get rid of the guy
because because he hasn't so.
Speaker 6 (43:27):
Far been the player you wanted him to be. But
that's what you got to do, coach.
Speaker 7 (43:30):
To that point, that was if he's my swing tackle.
I'm just like, what d you say?
Speaker 6 (43:35):
You got three years to show us something?
Speaker 7 (43:37):
Maybe Bill Parson says, I'll take two.
Speaker 6 (43:39):
Well, Bill said he got it from Ton.
Speaker 7 (43:41):
I know, but I'm stretching on, Bill, take.
Speaker 4 (43:45):
You better show up to show something. We're gonna have
to move off. Bill was ready to move on so well,
I mean, look, Mazzie should have every opportunity to fail
and that and that's what this is your three Hey,
third different coach.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
That doesn't help for him either.
Speaker 6 (44:03):
And there you go. Let's see what the third different
coach has.
Speaker 5 (44:07):
Let's sad, a third different coach and one who really
emphasizes that position, that defensive tackle position.
Speaker 7 (44:13):
We're the one who wants you to play like your
hands on fire.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
And no better way to flush it all out. We
will know after year three.
Speaker 7 (44:20):
Now we gonna know after the first few minute cans
whether his tongue is dragging or whether he's been working
at and knowing that I is gonna be like sprint
to the ball. Sprint to the ball, sprint to the ball.
Speaker 5 (44:31):
These are good things, correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah, get up
off the ground.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
At some point in time, you got to you know,
you gotta know. I mean Jerry West, when the late
Jerry West once told me, said, the problem with general managers,
they don't want most people don't want to admit their
mistake and go handle.
Speaker 6 (44:44):
It right away.
Speaker 7 (44:45):
Nico d he thought he made a mistake. I'm finna
handle it right now.
Speaker 6 (44:52):
He didn't draft him.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
I was gonna say his mistake, his mistake was ending
it now. The beginning was of the problem. The acquisition
wasn't the problem.
Speaker 7 (45:01):
Hey man. Somebody once told me, same thing, make you lab,
make you cry. When he got when he went and
got Kyrie was yes, same thing, make you lab make
you cry.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
As Edward said at the top of the show, Jerry's
moved up to the generalman.
Speaker 7 (45:16):
He goes down at all times.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
He got dead lass with a bullet right now, hoping
this thing turns around Edwarder, Thank you, thank you, Chris Bean,
thank you. Everybody here a part of Dallas Cowboys dot
Com and we're start to talk to you later.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
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