January 16, 2025 • 42 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
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Speaker 4 (00:27):
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We're sponsored by nobody, but that could change one day.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
I'm gonna write the book on Kellen Moore.
Speaker 6 (00:51):
Maybe, Yes, Howard Eskin may fight you about it.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
He's got his own problem.
Speaker 7 (00:59):
Right now.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Yes, a job, I think, But.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Does he still have a mink cope.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
And they get it run out for burrating some female
staff or so well.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
We may find out this weekend because Philly is still playing.
Speaker 6 (01:11):
Philly is still playing.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Okay, let me make sure I get the proper things
out of the way so I don't get in trouble. Uh,
mister Werder, you had a tweet so that Dion Sanders,
I'll let.
Speaker 6 (01:25):
You go ahead and follow up.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
I tweeted that based on talking to people close to him,
which is not Jock. Jock is not my source, just
putting that out there avoid any confusion, that if Jerry
Jones offers Dion Sanders the chance to be the next
head coach, he'll almost certainly accept it. That the people
around Dion are encouraging him to pursue it, and that
(01:47):
Jerry is fascinated by the idea of it all. And
let me just let me give you a little sense
of why that might be, that Jerry's fascinated and just
the kind of impact higher this could be. So I
basically tweeted four things about the NFL and the Cowboys today.
One of them was about Bill Belichick and his contract status.
His contract apparently is not yet signed at North Carolina,
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which led a lot of people to speculate about whether
Jerry Jones might come in last minute and try and
hire him without having to pay the ten million dollars,
And that got one hundred and fifty nine thousand engagements.
I then tweeted about Dion what I basically just told
you that got one point two million engagements. Kellen Moore
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being interviewed by the Cowboys got fifteen thousand engagements. So
there's just there. There's Jerry's motivation from.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
How many followers you got?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Two hundred and fifty two hundred forty thousands a good number.
Speaker 8 (02:46):
Yeah, I got to ads to them engagement the Bill
Belichick think, let's be honest, he hadn't signed the contract,
but it quick pro quote he's he's doing, we're working
for them.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
That would be hard.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Don't forget what he did with the Jets. He took
the Jets job and then hand wrote a piece of
paper and handed it to him that he was resigning
as the coach.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
How far hard?
Speaker 5 (03:08):
What was a while ago?
Speaker 8 (03:09):
But I mean, don't want to say the time in
between taking a job and walking away.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Really close, right, this is many DZ took the job,
then ran on off and went to Miami hired working.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
So I mean college, there would be lawyers for sure.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, yeah, it'd be a lot of lawyers.
Speaker 8 (03:25):
And Lombardi is certainly who's you know, been tweeting out
pushing back on all of that.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Well, Lombardi's there. He doesn't want to lose his.
Speaker 8 (03:32):
Job exactly GM anywhere else, but exactly regarded Dion thing.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
And I respect your report.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
That's fine. You can contradict it all you one.
Speaker 8 (03:41):
I'm not contradicted of this addings, you know, just different
perspective layering. Yeah, layer, I talked to someone who spoke
spent most of the day with dealing on.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Tuesday, I was here. I just want to make sure
on my teammates.
Speaker 8 (03:54):
And he said that Dion made no conversations, never really
closed former teammates who's spent a lot of time with them,
continues to been a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Of time with them.
Speaker 9 (04:02):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (04:02):
They made no conversations about the Cowboys. They only talked
about Colorado, Colorado extension and getting things right and Travis
Hunder's situation he spent he spent a lot of time
with her. Also talked to a coach or an agent
for a coach who recently re up with them or
(04:23):
read some relip in with them, and he said, and
that's possible, So that it is.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Possible, Deane and Jerry's proven anything possible.
Speaker 10 (04:31):
Let me give you one more layer, which is you
can never forget that this man spent about thirty days
in the hospital and really nobody knew what he was
doing because his circle is that tight and that loyal
to him.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
His recent toe surgery.
Speaker 10 (04:47):
Yeah, because if if you, if you, if you breach
the trust of that circle, you will never get back
in that circle. So so the people who are the
very closest to him, that would be the that he
might discuss these things with, they ain't really talking to nobody.
And so everything we get is a word from a
(05:07):
word from a word doesn't mean it's not true. It
just means that, you know, it's been my experience that
you know, he just doesn't reveal a lot of what
his real thoughts are to people.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Now, just like y'all, I talked.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
To some people out that.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Not being said, and I went the other approach.
Speaker 10 (05:29):
Now, these people would probably be the last to know,
but I went to some of those some of those
recent recruits, some of those people that he flipped, some
of those people that he convinced to come in the
last two weeks, and they were all like, God, we
hope he stays. But he's given us no indication that
our kids having don't have any not that they really
would because these things happened. As a friend of mine
once said very early this morning in a Cloak and
(05:50):
Daggett style, and it becomes at nine o'clock he was
our coach and at ten o'clock he was not our coach.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Because why sports is fluid.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Right, right, And I'm not sure, and I think it's
going to happen. In fact, I've had people close to
him tell me they don't think it's going to happen,
and they would bet that it's not going to happen.
That would be me, but it was not you either.
But but the point is the first person that we
know Jerry reached out to, and Dion was very careful
to make sure that as you described the conversation, it
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was Jerry who initiated the phone call. And Jerry has
surprised us in this realm how many times before, Like
trying to predict his behavior in hiring a coach is
a totally dangerous game.
Speaker 8 (06:32):
No, no, no, no doubt. And you know you say enamored.
I remember Jerry being a number with Johnny Menzil and.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
It almost happened, I know, but he was stopped from me,
you know.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
And and he was also enamored with Dion as a player,
and he was almost stopped by Stephen Jones, who might be.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Trying to do this right now, en with Tarylllewans. I mean,
I'm just saying, but most recently, though that was years ago.
Most recently, you know, he's been stopped from making you
know it thinks he's been enamored with.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
I've seen nothing to suggest that what Jerry was thirty
years ago is different than what Jerry is now.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Well, let's talk.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
About this from another perspective. Why would Dion?
Speaker 10 (07:08):
What does Dion want from the job other than it's
the Cowboys job?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And is that enough to the NFL?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
It's it's the highest level of competition there is. There's
not anything in that alluding to him. That's never been
a competitor. That's never been an allure for him.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I mean, he's never he's and I've had a bunch.
Speaker 10 (07:28):
Of conversations with him over the last several years about
college football the NFL.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
And not once says.
Speaker 10 (07:34):
His whole thing has been I don't want to deal
with the professional athlete that's that's in the league today.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
I like these guys, the guys he has or just
like professional athletes.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Well, you know they're moving that way, and so that, but.
Speaker 8 (07:45):
He also has control over the money. He like to
the other day, if you're great, we're taking your money.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
If your brain's fall.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
We're taking your money. You know. He tweeted like, yeah,
he's smoking weed. You out of here. You know, he
has more control over those guys.
Speaker 8 (07:58):
He would have of NFL and the guy that's really
I mean, he's I mean, he's like he probably would
be more like Jimmy or Parcels anybody else.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
He ain't really no fun to play with in a.
Speaker 10 (08:10):
Lot of cases, play four, play four, because he's so
demanding and he don't have no filter. He's Kurt, I mean,
he's he's a He is hard on them dudes, and
you know, it would be a fascinating look to see
if it were working the NFL.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And he's gonna try us.
Speaker 8 (08:27):
And one thing that we talked about this morning, you
could expound even further, but everybody did to have a
chummy chummer relationship. Okay, he and Jerry, But having a
chummy chump relationship and working together as two different things.
Because Dion is as much a dictator as Jerry is.
He's a guy that wants final say on everything, on
everything he knows you're not getting that.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Well, then that that's.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
Part of it, you know, because he wants he gonna
want final say on the roster and different things like that.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
You got a coaching staff, not just that, he got
his own PR guy and his own camera crews, and
how does.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
That all fit with, you know, what the Cowboys do?
Speaker 10 (09:03):
And because my brand is Dion Sanders and well Off
media that my son does and we got our own
thing going over here, and how.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Does that fit into what the Cowboys doing?
Speaker 5 (09:12):
With the Cowboys's going to be more in house camera
people over here than you've ever seen in your life.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Got to sign way and now I'll be in the
locker room, even back in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
You know what, perhaps there is different.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
I'll be back in the locker room.
Speaker 8 (09:27):
But yeah, it's it's the thing that I on the
flip side. And then we talked about, you know, this
whole process. You know, usually the process when the college
coach leaves, it's in the dark of the night because
you don't really go through an interview process. You know,
my agent talked to your agent all of the sudden,
we got a deal, and you leave into all the
players or find out the last minute. With the NFL process,
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you got to do these interviews, you know, and you
go through this second round of interviews.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
How does that work with a college.
Speaker 8 (09:53):
Coach who's recruiting and got these families and players weren't
about the future. People use that for negative recruiting against you,
because the even if you talk to the Cowboys you
don't go next year, it is still on.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
The tape gets used against you.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
It gets used against you. It definitely gets you if
us but you want to stay, it's gonna be used
against you.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
Every time another coach talked to a recruit you're talking to,
you know he't gonna lead to the NFL. You see
he thought about it last year or even some of
these recruits you have. Now, I'm here this year, but
I don't know. I'm at to being the porter next
year because I don't know what Delon's gonna do.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
So I would I would argue that college players are
more like professional players now than ever before, and college
coaches have less control over their players than they've ever
had before. And I would say to the to the
point about well, he said he would only go to
the NFL to coach his sons. How do you get
around that because he can't come here and coach Shador
(10:45):
Sanders because the Cowboys are picking twelfth and they've committed
the most money ever to their quarterback and it just
starts this next year. It's one hundred million dollars to
cut Dack and you can't trade him as a no
trade claw. If I'm Jerry. The way I get around
that is, well, you're not gonna coach your kids in Colorado,
So what's the difference. If you're not gonna coach him here,
You're not gonna coach him there, doesn't make any difference.
(11:06):
Go coach him in Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
All I know is this that.
Speaker 8 (11:11):
Colorado cannot let him get get leave. I mean that
that would upset the whole apple cart there. I mean
everything about that program is centered around them.
Speaker 10 (11:20):
The great bit about that point is a lot of
people say, oh, how can you turn down the Cowboys?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Just the Cowboys?
Speaker 10 (11:26):
Just the ell, No dog, I got a whole I
can be for Colorado.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
What bar Brian is Alabama?
Speaker 10 (11:31):
Or Dabbo is the Clemson of Woody Hayes And both
simple are to U.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Shim Beckler, because I know y'all think I did really Yeah,
Woody Hayes because he started he started.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
Don't get punched. I'm gonna I'll punch you get wrong.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
And in this bare brag, do y'all have a statue wood.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
He No, we don't, Urban Meyer. We got a statue
of bucks.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Brutus is it wre noting that the only that the
two coaches Jerry's hired who were most successful with the
Cowboys and won Super Bowls were coaches who had no
NFL coaching experience and came from college or from the
had retired from college. Jimmy and Barry.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
It's gonna put Barry in it. Hired one with Jimmy's guy.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
You know how he won.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I was there. I'm just like he was an architect
or something.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
I didn't say he was an architect. I said he
did was a coach of a winning Super Bowl TA.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
He was the architect they demise.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
So let's let's dive into a little bit of what
Aikman said.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Pertain this to to Dion in college coaching, is the
Colorado job a better job because he has the ability
to have whatever say he wants at Colorado.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
Versus you come here. He's not the generalman.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
First Colorado is not a better job than the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
If you're the first coach to lead the Cowboys to
a super Bowl in thirty years, that's bigger than anything
you can do in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Okay, this is true. Is this not a better job
than the Cowboy?
Speaker 6 (13:03):
I said, based on having the ability?
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Right, he does have autonomy there, That's that's all it is.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
I'm not saying. I'm not saying. I'm talking about the
ability for you to run your own show.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, now, we talked about it. That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 8 (13:16):
That that thing that Colorado's because it's built around him, and
that's what we talked about. Everything about Colorado is built
around him. Would that be the same with the Cowboys?
Speaker 6 (13:24):
That's my point.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Does he have He'll never have the autonomy anywhere else
that he has a Colorado?
Speaker 6 (13:29):
Right, That's why I'm asked. That's my point of asking.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Is it a better job because you get to be
the guy?
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Depends on what you're in it for.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
You're not worried about you know, you're doing the radio show.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
You don't have to worry about a press conference going
on while you do that.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
I mean, from that standpoint.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
What times are practice? I got Fox at four point thirty.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
That's that's my question, not about I mean, we know
the Cowboys or the Cowboys, the Lakers of the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
I'm just saying, what you could accomplish here is far
more long standing and legendary than anything you can do
in Colorado. But he's not gonna be able to do
it his way like he ken at Colorado.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Will snatch the trophy out of your hands when they
win it.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Deon did that. He ran off the field in Arizona
with the trophy to the locker room. Did not Troy,
not Michael, not it, not Woody, Larry.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Allen, Dion Prime, Nobody could catch you. All right, let's
get a break in here. Let's talk about Keeling.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
That Stephen Jones called Kellen Moore Parcell coach Parcell.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Got to talk about more than Keeling.
Speaker 8 (14:35):
We got, you know, we'll get on the list, Leslie,
and we got Robert Saloon.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
You know you get yeah that every time you start trying.
Speaker 8 (14:42):
To produce the Keeling I'm just saying, I already got
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Speaker 5 (14:48):
I mean, you know you got a raise.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
We'll get your candidates for you as well. Okay, we'll
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Hill on new he scrugs. Okay, Kellen Moore, that's today's
latest interview that will happen. It is going to happen virtually,
I'm told so. Ed Eagles is getting ready to face
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to get further than the Cowboys have had as his
tenior here as a player and assistant.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
To the divisional championship games.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Yes, get to a championship game here and his answer.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
That's because his team beat the seventh seed last week,
like every other team, like the eight other ones, all
the way in digging all the way and just putting
it in context.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
You are you are very much. I don't know who
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The only team that lost what Dallas? Okay twenty seven
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I don't twist, I just put it in. I would
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It is?
Speaker 6 (18:48):
You mean, hey, let's shake it, shake it up.
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Sorry, go ahead, I.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Got two kids. I ain't worried. So, as it turns out,
Kellen Moore, the former offensive coordinator who relinquished his spot
here in Dallas so that Mike McCarthy could call the plays,
he winds up being the first interview known interview to
replace Mike McCarthy as the Cowboys head coach. They're going
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to interview him virtually interview can't last more than three hours.
Seems a ridiculous time for a coach who has a
big game coming up forty eight hours later to be
spending any time interviewing with three NFL teams about his
next job, when all these coaches are telling the players
to focus on what's at hand. It's an absurd proposition.
But yeah, I think he would have. He would probably
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be my favorite if I was handicapping. I think he's
the one most who best fits the criteria that Jerry
uses to determine these sorts of things. I mean, he's
almost like he's got the same biography as Jason Garrett.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Now do you think he would be a good head coach?
Speaker 3 (20:12):
That's two different conversations, I think.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I think there's two different conversations.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
I think that guy would be willing to give him
the chance.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I know.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
I mean, you can't you can't question how good he
is as a play caller.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
We've seen it.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
He has a relationship with Dak, he has a relationship
with everybody in the building. He knows how this organization
functions and dysfunctions. And I think that the biggest question
people would have about Kellen Moore is does he have
the right temperament, Does he have the right personality? Can
he really be a leader of an entire team in
the way that a head coach does. And I think
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that's a hard thing to know, because when Matt Lafleur
left Tennessee as the offensive coordinator, left Mike rabel staff
to go to Green Bay, I had people telling me
this is a huge mistake the Packers have made. This
guy cannot command the room.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Well.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
He inherited Aaron Rodgers and he's done nothing but win
since he's been in Green Bay. So, like I said,
I think that's a hard, hard thing to judge.
Speaker 10 (21:08):
I think the way you and I don't know about Kellen,
but the way you go about it is and you
can't talk to that because he's buys, but you got
to talk to everybody else who's been in those offensive meetings.
And it's not just how he drew it up and
how he installed it, but when you messed up for
the third time, did he say, hey, guys, try to
be better, or did he know jump you the way
a coach typically jumps a player when they've made the
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same mistake multiple times.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Let's be honest.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Now we've been dishonest so far.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
And I know you that if you're a cowboy faners
Kellen more excite you. No, if he wins, I'm talking
about going it.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Jerry sell it to the fan base now, not like
Pete Carroll or Dion or who else? Who else would
be a prominent John Belichick, Belichick and Vrabel. Yeah, those
would have been my first two picks, Belichick and Rabel.
If you'd done it last year, he could have probably
had either one of them.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Yeah, you know we've covered Kelly Moore. I don't know
if he could command the room. He certainly doesn't command
the press conference. He doesn't win the press commerce at all.
He's kind of mealy mouthed.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
He doesn't.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
You don't really talk with any conviction. I mean, Shoddy
is better in the press conference, if you want to ask.
And I don't know how much that means.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Nobody's better than bones.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
No doubt. But yeah, but I'm just saying though that.
Speaker 8 (22:23):
But so I wonder, uh what it would look like
him being the leader of the team. Uh his Yes,
he had success with dak under Jason's system. I know
when he went to with the Chargers had like the
twenty first ranked offense with a quarterback who's supposed.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
To be, you know, one of the most talents and.
Speaker 8 (22:46):
In Philadelphia have like the twenty ninth ranked offense and
he has two of the best receiver tandem leading of
the twenty ninth ranked office pass.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Because they got a two thousand yard Russia.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
So isn't that smart? Like, doesn't that show that he's
able to just what he does to fit the personnell
he has. Like here he's throwing the ball and Dak's
got his career high thirty seven touchdown passes. I've got
Saquon Barkley's rushes for two thousand yards. Like that's what
I want.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I agree.
Speaker 8 (23:12):
I think you will find it out a lot about
the Kellen Moore candidacy, whether they get out put out
this weekend.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
All right, so let's now move to Robert sala former
Jets head coach, was the forty nine Ers defensive coordinator
when they ended up losing Super Bowl to Kansas City.
Also was an assistant for Pete Carroll when they won
Super Bowl forty eight in Seattle.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
All right, most trusted Robert Salad, your thoughts.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
Robert Sider, legitimate candidate in my book, You know, I
think he got a raw deal with the Jets. Certainly
was very respected coming out of San Francisco when he got.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
The Jets head coaching job. He's a guy who is
part of the circuit.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
You know, he's interviewing with the Raiders, that he's interviewed
with the Jaguars, with the you know, and going to
interview with the Cowboys, and so keeping that team together.
Are dealing with Woody Johnson, dealing with Aaron Rodgers. I
think he has the temperament to handle the Cowboys situation.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
The question is who would be his offense coordinator?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Who does he didn't win.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
First of all, he hadn't been in the play He
hasn't made the playoffs ever as a head coach. No,
the defense was I'm not saying it's his fault, No,
that's not. But yeah, I think the question is does
he run the defense?
Speaker 15 (24:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (24:20):
I think he'd be great running the defense, and maybe
he's your defensive coordinator if he's not your next head coach.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Let me ask this question, because when someone was talking
to me about it, I said, because they're basically why him?
And I said, what if he's another Todd Bowles? People said, oh,
he was with the Jets topple. Oh, clearly we saw
Todd Bowles could coach. It's hard to coach the Jets
in that organization, no.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Doubt, I think. I think that's part of the conversation.
Speaker 8 (24:44):
And their defense was top five in the league when
he was coaching there, and so you know he can
run the defense. Again, it depends on who's going to
get his your offense coordinate if he's your head coach.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
But again, as Ed.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
Pointed out, and you know with the cow Boys, you
just you just don't know what the motives are. And
that's because they Yes, yes, I mean it's interesting that
an organization who's had just two minority coordinators in their
history Maurice Carthon and Brian Stewart in their history, never
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had a black head coach, especially enlightened with the sham
job that the Patriots did with their bringing in Pep
Hamilton and Brian Lefferts before they hired their guy that
they wanted to hire. The first two names that comes
out of legitimate interviews before the Keller More today was
Robert and Leslie Fraser. And as I said, Robert sala
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is a legitimate candidate. Where's Leslie and Fraser coming from
and listen knowing Leslie long time defense coordinator, head coach
of the Vacous of ten to twenty thirteen, most recently
the defensive coordinator of Buffalo from twenty seventeen to twenty
twenty two before was let go, did not coach in
twenty twenty three. Is the currently the assistant head coach
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in Seattle because they got a young coach and they
wanted him up there. But nobody has put Leslie Fraser
in any conversation.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
You can get a single interview last year the yeah.
Speaker 8 (26:16):
And so where is he coming from? Are we really
is this about the Rooney rule?
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Well, it's it could be about that, or it could
be we want to talk to you about our head
coaching job. And when you get here, what we really
want to talk to you about is being our defensive coordinator.
If we hire so and so.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Well again and to me, that's dirty pool.
Speaker 8 (26:32):
I mean, you don't bring me in to be my
defense court, don't hire, don't interview for my head coaching
job to be my defense coordinator.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I mean, that's not the spirit of the rule.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Don't want to be slick.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
Yeah, that's not the spirit the same thing with Roberts.
That's that's not the spirit, that's not what it's for.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Class.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
We're bringing you in to interview you for the general
sports columnist job. And while you're here, if we don't
hire you for that, how would you feel about being
the Cowboys beat writer.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Again?
Speaker 5 (26:58):
How much the opinion better than nothing right? Better than
no offer?
Speaker 8 (27:02):
It is better no offer. But we're talking about the
spirit of the rule and what we're trying to do.
That That's that's what I'm dealing with.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Hey, now I understand people will take those jobs.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
My other problem is this, and this is why the
process is messing for me. And we can get into
the Jason Witten stuff.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
He can say he's seriously is considering Dion for the job.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Right.
Speaker 8 (27:18):
This is this is my problem with the mess because
which has been a thirty year problem because Jerry is
trying to control things. Okay, if I'm hiring somebody head coach,
I want them to pick their coordinator. I want them
to pick their titiess coach. Don't pick nobody from my
staff before I get here. Okay, don't interview people from
my staff before I decide who I want on my staff.
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Because at most head coaching candidates, including Kellen more than
anybody else, they already got ideas who they want on
their staff.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Every offensive head coach has an idea.
Speaker 8 (27:49):
Who if I get this job, who my defense courting
is gonna be, Who my titians coach gonna be? Who
my office court, my office line coach is gonna be
every defense coach. I understand that that's my problem with
the process. But you know, when I'm talking about the process,
the rotten process way back wins, That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Well, they're talking about two different things. Ones on an
NFL level, the other ones are more local issue. We're
talking about the Cowboys. Well, but the rule is league wise.
Speaker 8 (28:15):
Listen, listen, listen, the fruit of the same poisonous tree.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Well, I mean, I mean it's two things.
Speaker 10 (28:21):
But Clarence is right, like way back when when I
was covering to beat, used to ask up and coming
assistance if you ever got a job, who'd be your guy?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
That way, when they get a job, you already got
an edge on it.
Speaker 10 (28:33):
But but you know the other thing is if you
take a bigger look at the Rooney rule and take
a bigger look, I can't remember which one is macro
not micro. But and say, how do really most jobs,
how do people get hired? They get high because ed,
I'm looking for something. Do you know anybody clans, I'm
looking for somebody. Do you know anybody you go? Oh, yeah,
(28:55):
I know Newly and I know Jacques one personal recommendation
one is fine. So some of this Rooney rule stuff
is just you know, yeah, you going in just so
you can do to Mike Tomlin, I interviewed, Well, you
didn't need me, Oh you need a coach. Oh, I
just introduce to view this young guy blew me away.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I can't. I didn't have room for him for whatever reason.
Boom and so.
Speaker 10 (29:16):
It's not the preferred method, but it's better than you
never get in front of him to talk it all.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Now, that's the spirit of the rule.
Speaker 8 (29:23):
And I'm glad we brought because Mike Tallan seemed like
he's an outlier.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
You know, only if Mike Thomin got hired.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
That way by the very people who the rule is saying.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Right, But but yes, that's the spirit of the rule.
Speaker 8 (29:34):
But what I'm saying is that's that what the patriots
did is not about getting in the room.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
And hey, I know this guy.
Speaker 8 (29:41):
It's about let's just cursory interview this guy so I
can hire my guy.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
Check hey, check.
Speaker 8 (29:45):
And my point is it's interesting that the first two
names that came out, maybe because incidentally or not.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
You think they knew Salah was a Rooney rule, KENNI.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
Yes see, they know elevenies. Everybody knows that. Yes, everybody
knows that he ain't white.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
The Patriots might have been able to make hurt round
a third round pick. The Patriots might have made it
may look better if they weren't feeling like if they
were gonna get verable, they had to act fast, right.
They were afraid he was gonna go somewhere else, right.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
And they acted. And the dirty thing about it, this
is the tweet. It was a tweet.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
It was a tweet that they interviewed these two.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
They tweeted on the same They put him in the
same to.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Everybody else got individual tweets. These two guys got one tweet.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Social media intern about to go to lunch.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Time, Hey guys who bought the black guys?
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Chris Cross two gals working to revise that each candidate
must have his own.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Tweett like really.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
Like air baths got to look at go back and
look at their social media, and everybody every other interview
got their own tweet.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
These two guys got one.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
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Speaker 6 (33:29):
Here we are back on the media mash.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
We've discussed Robert Solo, discussed us A Fraser, We've discussed
Kellen Moore.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
So I ask each panelist, if Jerry Jones called you up.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
To his office upstairs here at the Star, who would
you say, Jerry, you should hire Jack Taylor.
Speaker 10 (33:46):
I'd say, hey, man, go get Ben Johnson there, very simple,
offensive guy, his first time coach. I know you don't
like that, but get over yourself. I like the fact
that he throws the hooking ladder more than once. I
like that coaches with attitude has said, as evidenced by
the tackle Legenible plays in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
And you know, let's take a walk on a while
side and have some fun.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
Edward or Hall of Fame in which you got I.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Could have said, Dian.
Speaker 10 (34:11):
The line of my pocket I would is, I'm trying
to be a team player for Jerry.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
I'm interested in Pete Carroll, but I too would probably
hire Ben Johnson because if you no quarterback in the
NFL succeeded from under center play action passing than Jared
Goff did this year. And that's the way I think
Dak Prescott has to be used in his age thirty
two and beyond season. And I think that's what this
hire is all about. This hires all about that you're
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the last one who has a shot to get Dak
Prescott to a super Bowl. In all likelihood, he's going
to be thirty two and coming off of two leg
injuries in the last five years. Who do you want
in that position to create the right offense, to call
the right plays. And I know Ben Johnson doesn't have
any history of running an entire team, but he's been
influenced by Dan Campbell. Look with he was a heart
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of something huge. Nobody thought the Lions could be what
they are now. They're twenty seven and seven the last
two years. That's the best record in the NFL. So
for all of those reasons, I would hire Ben Johnson,
but primarily because he coaches the kind of offense Dak
will thrive him.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Now Chill is gonna say you're gonna bring out that
telling with him.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Yes, No, that's on the people here to get him
to talent.
Speaker 8 (35:20):
Or that they're good. There goes the problem I would hire.
I would say Eron Glenn. You know, I want a leader,
you know. And there's a guy who trained under Bill Parcells,
you know, and it's familiar with the.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Cowboys, familiar with the process.
Speaker 8 (35:33):
But just listening to him talk, he's a leader, you know,
and I think he can hire the right people. He
has the right temperament to coach today's athlete. That's why
I got a problem that we're all have with all
of our choices, is the rotten process the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Had dealt with because they can't talk to.
Speaker 8 (35:52):
Them to particilarly after the Super Bowl, not Ben Johnson,
not Aaron Glenn, because they waited a week because they
were by You can only get in start the process
with those guys last.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Week when they want to buy.
Speaker 8 (36:07):
Now they cannot interview them until after potentially the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
All right, I'm gonna go with a leader of men,
somebody who's been in the building. Richard Pisacia. I am
a person who believes that being able to get in
front of the room like special teams coaches do. I
think that matters.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
I thought Richard did a heck of a job.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
After that whole Grouten tobaccle happened with the Raiders, he
kept that ship afloat. They made the playoffs. They had
a heck of a game against Cincinnati, which they lost.
That Cincinnati team ended up going to the Super Bowl.
And I look at special teams coaches from the past.
Dick for Meal, NFL's first ever special teams coach, won
a Super Bowl. Bill Belichick's first job in the league's
special teams coach, Bill won six Super Bowls. Bill Kauer,
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former special teams coach, won a Super Bowl. And we
look at what John Harbaugh's doing out there with the
Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
Is it sexy?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
No?
Speaker 5 (36:59):
Is it effective?
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Is it effective?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (37:02):
I mean Rich Damn Near fought Greg Hardy on the
sidelines up in New Jersey during the game.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
He was the only one who took issue with that,
his behavior in public.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
And yeah, so to me, it's not a sexy high.
It's not a brand name, but I want some substance.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
But he hasn't even gotten interviewed anywhere, right.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
And that therein lies the problem. There in lies the
problem where if you are you need to dig deeper.
You need to look and say what rock are we
not looking under? I do believe that along the way,
how come we're seeing these special teams guys who touch
every part of your football team, who have to get
up for the football team, and they hardly ever interview them.
Speaker 6 (37:38):
I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
But Rich has done the job, and I thought he
did a real good job the Raiders, and they've been
searching for somebody to lead that franchise since then.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
And he transformed Green Bay special teams in one year.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Everywhere he goes, he wins. Everywhere he goes. He's been
a part of the winning team. So that's why I
know you roll your eyes.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
That's a client.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
Oh no, he's not.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
The problem with hiring a special teams guy like that,
or the problem with hiring a defensive oriented coaches. If
you wind up with a good offensive coach and a
good offensive player and he's not your head coach, you're
gonna lose him.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
And look, you know, I am second behind you with
Aaron Glynn. On's to get a leader of men. The
only thing with Rich is Rich has done it. Aaron
has not done it. But I do believe that both
guys because I'm not here, no offense. I ain't here
for the joystick. Guys, Jimmy ain't call no plays. You know,
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you can't have Dan Campbell's not calling any plays. Can
you get up there and lead the room? That's what
you need.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
And you're dealing with Jerry, somebody that can deal with
all that time.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Well, you talked about selling it to the fan base.
How are you going to sell that?
Speaker 6 (38:43):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (38:44):
When?
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Well?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
I mean well when?
Speaker 4 (38:47):
But you know, hey, man, he said he wanted three
sixty five days soap opera.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
So get up there, Jerry, do what you do.
Speaker 8 (38:52):
And my thing is, you know, I was talking to
a player last week and we get caught up into
familiarity and all for me, why can't the boys be
like the Rams and go outside the box?
Speaker 3 (39:03):
I mean, who knew of McVeigh.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
Thirty years old?
Speaker 3 (39:08):
You know, kay? What's wrong with out of? You know,
outside the box?
Speaker 10 (39:12):
Higher North was outside the box, higher wide receiver coach,
not to coordinated, you know right right?
Speaker 8 (39:19):
You can't find somebody like that. I mean, we can
get so caught up into.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Familiar doesn't that one more fit that profile? No, no
young offensive.
Speaker 8 (39:28):
Because because it's like said the only reason he's connected
here so strongly is because he was here.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
Well, because he performed well here is the quarterback performed
well here. We just talked about, right, talked about what
an important hire this is for Dak Prescott, and I
think Dak would react pretty well to I agree.
Speaker 8 (39:46):
I'm just saying, byside, I don't think that's outside the box.
That's not what I'm saying. That there's something that that
we we don't have a.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
Right How about Josh McCown. He was talked about three
years ago being the Texans head coach, that they were
kind of floating that out there.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Is he coaching anywhere?
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Yeah, he's with Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
I can't let us leave the show without getting the
thoughts about Jason whitting His name has been roomored out
there as well.
Speaker 6 (40:08):
That is Jason.
Speaker 8 (40:09):
But again, that's my problem when I talked about the
fact that you're already and Jason wouldn't will most likely
one day be a fine coach, and I think he's
doing a good job in college.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
But the fact that Jerry's.
Speaker 8 (40:21):
Miss high school high school, Yeah, high school, I'm sorry
that I'm sorry. Uh, the fact that Jerry's interjecting him
into conversations whether he was going to be the coaching
waiting with the parcels.
Speaker 10 (40:32):
Nobody won't win on the coach on the staff if
you're a coach, because all you can do is view
him the way people view Jason Garrett with Waye Phillips, like,
either you're telling on me. You're usually waiting for me
to fail so you can get my job.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
I like when he goes to Monday Night Football, he'll
be similarly overmatched as a going from high school, took
it to the NFL as a head coach of this franchise, right,
And I love Jason Whitten, and I have no doubt
Jerry is going to try and put him on whoever
the next coach here, He's gonna try and put him
on that person's staff, And in some places it will
probably fit, and others, like with Mike McCarthy when he
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tried to do it with Mike five years ago, Mike
saw what happened with Jason Garrett and Wade Phillips. He's
he's too smart to repeat that. Would Pete Carroll accept
him and not be threatened? Maybe with Kellen Moore, Absolutely.
Speaker 10 (41:17):
Not with Dion I don't think so okay, all right, fellas,
this was fun.
Speaker 6 (41:22):
It won't Hey man, good luck, goodluck to your buck eyes.
Luck to your buck eyes.
Speaker 10 (41:28):
Uh, you know, I handled myself with grason dignity for
most of the game, and to.
Speaker 6 (41:33):
Get pet you got time for pitty.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I was petty after the game.
Speaker 10 (41:35):
I would say I behaved myself except for when Henderson
went seventy five years on the screen and when Sawyer
returned his return the fumble.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Outside of that, I'm telling him where you were. I'll
tell him where you were.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
I was in a switep full of Texas pictures.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
You got the video too, I got a picture. Hey,
good luck to you, Good luck to you. I'll be
rooting for not to name all.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Right, that's on point some point dirty though. Yeah, I
appreciate you. O.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
Hey, let's do this again next week.
Speaker 6 (42:02):
If we're not fired next Wednesday, uh claims, will let
us know goodbye.
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Speaker 5 (00:48):
I'm gonna write the book on Kellen Moore.
Speaker 6 (00:51):
Maybe, Yes, Howard Eskin may fight you about it.
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He's got his own problem.
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Right now.
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And they get it run out for burrating some female
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out of the way so I don't get in trouble. Uh,
mister Werder, you had a tweet so that Dion Sanders,
I'll let.
Speaker 6 (01:25):
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Speaker 5 (01:26):
I tweeted that based on talking to people close to him,
which is not Jock. Jock is not my source, just
putting that out there avoid any confusion, that if Jerry
Jones offers Dion Sanders the chance to be the next
head coach, he'll almost certainly accept it. That the people
around Dion are encouraging him to pursue it, and that
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Jerry is fascinated by the idea of it all. And
let me just let me give you a little sense
of why that might be, that Jerry's fascinated and just
the kind of impact higher this could be. So I
basically tweeted four things about the NFL and the Cowboys today.
One of them was about Bill Belichick and his contract status.
His contract apparently is not yet signed at North Carolina,
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which led a lot of people to speculate about whether
Jerry Jones might come in last minute and try and
hire him without having to pay the ten million dollars,
And that got one hundred and fifty nine thousand engagements.
I then tweeted about Dion what I basically just told
you that got one point two million engagements. Kellen Moore
(02:33):
being interviewed by the Cowboys got fifteen thousand engagements. So
there's just there. There's Jerry's motivation from.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
How many followers you got?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Two hundred and fifty two hundred forty thousands a good number.
Speaker 8 (02:46):
Yeah, I got to ads to them engagement the Bill
Belichick think, let's be honest, he hadn't signed the contract,
but it quick pro quote he's he's doing, we're working
for them.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
That would be hard.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Don't forget what he did with the Jets. He took
the Jets job and then hand wrote a piece of
paper and handed it to him that he was resigning
as the coach.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
How far hard?
Speaker 5 (03:08):
What was a while ago?
Speaker 8 (03:09):
But I mean, don't want to say the time in
between taking a job and walking away.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Really close, right, this is many DZ took the job,
then ran on off and went to Miami hired working.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
So I mean college, there would be lawyers for sure.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, yeah, it'd be a lot of lawyers.
Speaker 8 (03:25):
And Lombardi is certainly who's you know, been tweeting out
pushing back on all of that.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Well, Lombardi's there. He doesn't want to lose his.
Speaker 8 (03:32):
Job exactly GM anywhere else, but exactly regarded Dion thing.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
And I respect your report.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
That's fine. You can contradict it all you one.
Speaker 8 (03:41):
I'm not contradicted of this addings, you know, just different
perspective layering. Yeah, layer, I talked to someone who spoke
spent most of the day with dealing on.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Tuesday, I was here. I just want to make sure
on my teammates.
Speaker 8 (03:54):
And he said that Dion made no conversations, never really
closed former teammates who's spent a lot of time with them,
continues to been a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Of time with them.
Speaker 9 (04:02):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (04:02):
They made no conversations about the Cowboys. They only talked
about Colorado, Colorado extension and getting things right and Travis
Hunder's situation he spent he spent a lot of time
with her. Also talked to a coach or an agent
for a coach who recently re up with them or
(04:23):
read some relip in with them, and he said, and
that's possible, So that it is.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Possible, Deane and Jerry's proven anything possible.
Speaker 10 (04:31):
Let me give you one more layer, which is you
can never forget that this man spent about thirty days
in the hospital and really nobody knew what he was
doing because his circle is that tight and that loyal
to him.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
His recent toe surgery.
Speaker 10 (04:47):
Yeah, because if if you, if you, if you breach
the trust of that circle, you will never get back
in that circle. So so the people who are the
very closest to him, that would be the that he
might discuss these things with, they ain't really talking to nobody.
And so everything we get is a word from a
(05:07):
word from a word doesn't mean it's not true. It
just means that, you know, it's been my experience that
you know, he just doesn't reveal a lot of what
his real thoughts are to people.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Now, just like y'all, I talked.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
To some people out that.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Not being said, and I went the other approach.
Speaker 10 (05:29):
Now, these people would probably be the last to know,
but I went to some of those some of those
recent recruits, some of those people that he flipped, some
of those people that he convinced to come in the
last two weeks, and they were all like, God, we
hope he stays. But he's given us no indication that
our kids having don't have any not that they really
would because these things happened. As a friend of mine
once said very early this morning in a Cloak and
(05:50):
Daggett style, and it becomes at nine o'clock he was
our coach and at ten o'clock he was not our coach.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Because why sports is fluid.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Right, right, And I'm not sure, and I think it's
going to happen. In fact, I've had people close to
him tell me they don't think it's going to happen,
and they would bet that it's not going to happen.
That would be me, but it was not you either.
But but the point is the first person that we
know Jerry reached out to, and Dion was very careful
to make sure that as you described the conversation, it
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was Jerry who initiated the phone call. And Jerry has
surprised us in this realm how many times before, Like
trying to predict his behavior in hiring a coach is
a totally dangerous game.
Speaker 8 (06:32):
No, no, no, no doubt. And you know you say enamored.
I remember Jerry being a number with Johnny Menzil and.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
It almost happened, I know, but he was stopped from me,
you know.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
And and he was also enamored with Dion as a player,
and he was almost stopped by Stephen Jones, who might be.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Trying to do this right now, en with Tarylllewans. I mean,
I'm just saying, but most recently, though that was years ago.
Most recently, you know, he's been stopped from making you
know it thinks he's been enamored with.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
I've seen nothing to suggest that what Jerry was thirty
years ago is different than what Jerry is now.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Well, let's talk.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
About this from another perspective. Why would Dion?
Speaker 10 (07:08):
What does Dion want from the job other than it's
the Cowboys job?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And is that enough to the NFL?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
It's it's the highest level of competition there is. There's
not anything in that alluding to him. That's never been
a competitor. That's never been an allure for him.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I mean, he's never he's and I've had a bunch.
Speaker 10 (07:28):
Of conversations with him over the last several years about
college football the NFL.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
And not once says.
Speaker 10 (07:34):
His whole thing has been I don't want to deal
with the professional athlete that's that's in the league today.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
I like these guys, the guys he has or just
like professional athletes.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Well, you know they're moving that way, and so that, but.
Speaker 8 (07:45):
He also has control over the money. He like to
the other day, if you're great, we're taking your money.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
If your brain's fall.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
We're taking your money. You know. He tweeted like, yeah,
he's smoking weed. You out of here. You know, he
has more control over those guys.
Speaker 8 (07:58):
He would have of NFL and the guy that's really
I mean, he's I mean, he's like he probably would
be more like Jimmy or Parcels anybody else.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
He ain't really no fun to play with in a.
Speaker 10 (08:10):
Lot of cases, play four, play four, because he's so
demanding and he don't have no filter. He's Kurt, I mean,
he's he's a He is hard on them dudes, and
you know, it would be a fascinating look to see
if it were working the NFL.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And he's gonna try us.
Speaker 8 (08:27):
And one thing that we talked about this morning, you
could expound even further, but everybody did to have a
chummy chummer relationship. Okay, he and Jerry, But having a
chummy chump relationship and working together as two different things.
Because Dion is as much a dictator as Jerry is.
He's a guy that wants final say on everything, on
everything he knows you're not getting that.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Well, then that that's.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
Part of it, you know, because he wants he gonna
want final say on the roster and different things like that.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
You got a coaching staff, not just that, he got
his own PR guy and his own camera crews, and
how does.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
That all fit with, you know, what the Cowboys do?
Speaker 10 (09:03):
And because my brand is Dion Sanders and well Off
media that my son does and we got our own
thing going over here, and how.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Does that fit into what the Cowboys doing?
Speaker 5 (09:12):
With the Cowboys's going to be more in house camera
people over here than you've ever seen in your life.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Got to sign way and now I'll be in the
locker room, even back in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
You know what, perhaps there is different.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
I'll be back in the locker room.
Speaker 8 (09:27):
But yeah, it's it's the thing that I on the
flip side. And then we talked about, you know, this
whole process. You know, usually the process when the college
coach leaves, it's in the dark of the night because
you don't really go through an interview process. You know,
my agent talked to your agent all of the sudden,
we got a deal, and you leave into all the
players or find out the last minute. With the NFL process,
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you got to do these interviews, you know, and you
go through this second round of interviews.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
How does that work with a college.
Speaker 8 (09:53):
Coach who's recruiting and got these families and players weren't
about the future. People use that for negative recruiting against you,
because the even if you talk to the Cowboys you
don't go next year, it is still on.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
The tape gets used against you.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
It gets used against you. It definitely gets you if
us but you want to stay, it's gonna be used
against you.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
Every time another coach talked to a recruit you're talking to,
you know he't gonna lead to the NFL. You see
he thought about it last year or even some of
these recruits you have. Now, I'm here this year, but
I don't know. I'm at to being the porter next
year because I don't know what Delon's gonna do.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
So I would I would argue that college players are
more like professional players now than ever before, and college
coaches have less control over their players than they've ever
had before. And I would say to the to the
point about well, he said he would only go to
the NFL to coach his sons. How do you get
around that because he can't come here and coach Shador
(10:45):
Sanders because the Cowboys are picking twelfth and they've committed
the most money ever to their quarterback and it just
starts this next year. It's one hundred million dollars to
cut Dack and you can't trade him as a no
trade claw. If I'm Jerry. The way I get around
that is, well, you're not gonna coach your kids in Colorado,
So what's the difference. If you're not gonna coach him here,
You're not gonna coach him there, doesn't make any difference.
(11:06):
Go coach him in Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
All I know is this that.
Speaker 8 (11:11):
Colorado cannot let him get get leave. I mean that
that would upset the whole apple cart there. I mean
everything about that program is centered around them.
Speaker 10 (11:20):
The great bit about that point is a lot of
people say, oh, how can you turn down the Cowboys?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Just the Cowboys?
Speaker 10 (11:26):
Just the ell, No dog, I got a whole I
can be for Colorado.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
What bar Brian is Alabama?
Speaker 10 (11:31):
Or Dabbo is the Clemson of Woody Hayes And both
simple are to U.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Shim Beckler, because I know y'all think I did really Yeah,
Woody Hayes because he started he started.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
Don't get punched. I'm gonna I'll punch you get wrong.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
And in this bare brag, do y'all have a statue wood.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
He No, we don't, Urban Meyer. We got a statue
of bucks.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Brutus is it wre noting that the only that the
two coaches Jerry's hired who were most successful with the
Cowboys and won Super Bowls were coaches who had no
NFL coaching experience and came from college or from the
had retired from college. Jimmy and Barry.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
It's gonna put Barry in it. Hired one with Jimmy's guy.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
You know how he won.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I was there. I'm just like he was an architect
or something.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
I didn't say he was an architect. I said he
did was a coach of a winning Super Bowl TA.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
He was the architect they demise.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
So let's let's dive into a little bit of what
Aikman said.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Pertain this to to Dion in college coaching, is the
Colorado job a better job because he has the ability
to have whatever say he wants at Colorado.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
Versus you come here. He's not the generalman.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
First Colorado is not a better job than the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
If you're the first coach to lead the Cowboys to
a super Bowl in thirty years, that's bigger than anything
you can do in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Okay, this is true. Is this not a better job
than the Cowboy?
Speaker 6 (13:03):
I said, based on having the ability?
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Right, he does have autonomy there, That's that's all it is.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
I'm not saying. I'm not saying. I'm talking about the
ability for you to run your own show.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, now, we talked about it. That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 8 (13:16):
That that thing that Colorado's because it's built around him, and
that's what we talked about. Everything about Colorado is built
around him. Would that be the same with the Cowboys?
Speaker 6 (13:24):
That's my point.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Does he have He'll never have the autonomy anywhere else
that he has a Colorado?
Speaker 6 (13:29):
Right, That's why I'm asked. That's my point of asking.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Is it a better job because you get to be
the guy?
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Depends on what you're in it for.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
You're not worried about you know, you're doing the radio show.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
You don't have to worry about a press conference going
on while you do that.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
I mean, from that standpoint.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
What times are practice? I got Fox at four point thirty.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
That's that's my question, not about I mean, we know
the Cowboys or the Cowboys, the Lakers of the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
I'm just saying, what you could accomplish here is far
more long standing and legendary than anything you can do
in Colorado. But he's not gonna be able to do
it his way like he ken at Colorado.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Will snatch the trophy out of your hands when they
win it.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Deon did that. He ran off the field in Arizona
with the trophy to the locker room. Did not Troy,
not Michael, not it, not Woody, Larry.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Allen, Dion Prime, Nobody could catch you. All right, let's
get a break in here. Let's talk about Keeling.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
That Stephen Jones called Kellen Moore Parcell coach Parcell.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Got to talk about more than Keeling.
Speaker 8 (14:35):
We got, you know, we'll get on the list, Leslie,
and we got Robert Saloon.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
You know you get yeah that every time you start trying.
Speaker 8 (14:42):
To produce the Keeling I'm just saying, I already got
a hefty raise, were coming in on off season.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
I mean, you know you got a raise.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
We'll get your candidates for you as well. Okay, we'll
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Hill on new he scrugs. Okay, Kellen Moore, that's today's
latest interview that will happen. It is going to happen virtually,
I'm told so. Ed Eagles is getting ready to face
play in the playoffs. This is Kellen rams his opportunity
(17:55):
to get further than the Cowboys have had as his
tenior here as a player and assistant.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
To the divisional championship games.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Yes, get to a championship game here and his answer.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
That's because his team beat the seventh seed last week,
like every other team, like the eight other ones, all
the way in digging all the way and just putting
it in context.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
You are you are very much. I don't know who
was the last team that lost to a seven seed?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
The only team that lost what Dallas? Okay twenty seven
and the last only what do you mean one?
Speaker 6 (18:28):
So as I want to add to get all as
a knife all the way.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
I don't twist, I just put it in. I would
just say that it's it's stop it talking about knives,
talking about knives.
Speaker 10 (18:41):
I was gonna say, that's that b why you met it?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
It is?
Speaker 6 (18:48):
You mean, hey, let's shake it, shake it up.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
It was nice having one off season show.
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I hope you liked it.
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it that.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Sorry, go ahead, I.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Got two kids. I ain't worried. So, as it turns out,
Kellen Moore, the former offensive coordinator who relinquished his spot
here in Dallas so that Mike McCarthy could call the plays,
he winds up being the first interview known interview to
replace Mike McCarthy as the Cowboys head coach. They're going
(19:36):
to interview him virtually interview can't last more than three hours.
Seems a ridiculous time for a coach who has a
big game coming up forty eight hours later to be
spending any time interviewing with three NFL teams about his
next job, when all these coaches are telling the players
to focus on what's at hand. It's an absurd proposition.
But yeah, I think he would have. He would probably
(19:57):
be my favorite if I was handicapping. I think he's
the one most who best fits the criteria that Jerry
uses to determine these sorts of things. I mean, he's
almost like he's got the same biography as Jason Garrett.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Now do you think he would be a good head coach?
Speaker 3 (20:12):
That's two different conversations, I think.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I think there's two different conversations.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
I think that guy would be willing to give him
the chance.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I know.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
I mean, you can't you can't question how good he
is as a play caller.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
We've seen it.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
He has a relationship with Dak, he has a relationship
with everybody in the building. He knows how this organization
functions and dysfunctions. And I think that the biggest question
people would have about Kellen Moore is does he have
the right temperament, Does he have the right personality? Can
he really be a leader of an entire team in
the way that a head coach does. And I think
(20:44):
that's a hard thing to know, because when Matt Lafleur
left Tennessee as the offensive coordinator, left Mike rabel staff
to go to Green Bay, I had people telling me
this is a huge mistake the Packers have made. This
guy cannot command the room.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Well.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
He inherited Aaron Rodgers and he's done nothing but win
since he's been in Green Bay. So, like I said,
I think that's a hard, hard thing to judge.
Speaker 10 (21:08):
I think the way you and I don't know about Kellen,
but the way you go about it is and you
can't talk to that because he's buys, but you got
to talk to everybody else who's been in those offensive meetings.
And it's not just how he drew it up and
how he installed it, but when you messed up for
the third time, did he say, hey, guys, try to
be better, or did he know jump you the way
a coach typically jumps a player when they've made the
(21:29):
same mistake multiple times.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Let's be honest.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Now we've been dishonest so far.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
And I know you that if you're a cowboy faners
Kellen more excite you. No, if he wins, I'm talking
about going it.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Jerry sell it to the fan base now, not like
Pete Carroll or Dion or who else? Who else would
be a prominent John Belichick, Belichick and Vrabel. Yeah, those
would have been my first two picks, Belichick and Rabel.
If you'd done it last year, he could have probably
had either one of them.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Yeah, you know we've covered Kelly Moore. I don't know
if he could command the room. He certainly doesn't command
the press conference. He doesn't win the press commerce at all.
He's kind of mealy mouthed.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
He doesn't.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
You don't really talk with any conviction. I mean, Shoddy
is better in the press conference, if you want to ask.
And I don't know how much that means.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Nobody's better than bones.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
No doubt. But yeah, but I'm just saying though that.
Speaker 8 (22:23):
But so I wonder, uh what it would look like
him being the leader of the team. Uh his Yes,
he had success with dak under Jason's system. I know
when he went to with the Chargers had like the
twenty first ranked offense with a quarterback who's supposed.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
To be, you know, one of the most talents and.
Speaker 8 (22:46):
In Philadelphia have like the twenty ninth ranked offense and
he has two of the best receiver tandem leading of
the twenty ninth ranked office pass.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Because they got a two thousand yard Russia.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
So isn't that smart? Like, doesn't that show that he's
able to just what he does to fit the personnell
he has. Like here he's throwing the ball and Dak's
got his career high thirty seven touchdown passes. I've got
Saquon Barkley's rushes for two thousand yards. Like that's what
I want.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I agree.
Speaker 8 (23:12):
I think you will find it out a lot about
the Kellen Moore candidacy, whether they get out put out
this weekend.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
All right, so let's now move to Robert sala former
Jets head coach, was the forty nine Ers defensive coordinator
when they ended up losing Super Bowl to Kansas City.
Also was an assistant for Pete Carroll when they won
Super Bowl forty eight in Seattle.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
All right, most trusted Robert Salad, your thoughts.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
Robert Sider, legitimate candidate in my book, You know, I
think he got a raw deal with the Jets. Certainly
was very respected coming out of San Francisco when he got.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
The Jets head coaching job. He's a guy who is
part of the circuit.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
You know, he's interviewing with the Raiders, that he's interviewed
with the Jaguars, with the you know, and going to
interview with the Cowboys, and so keeping that team together.
Are dealing with Woody Johnson, dealing with Aaron Rodgers. I
think he has the temperament to handle the Cowboys situation.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
The question is who would be his offense coordinator?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Who does he didn't win.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
First of all, he hadn't been in the play He
hasn't made the playoffs ever as a head coach. No,
the defense was I'm not saying it's his fault, No,
that's not. But yeah, I think the question is does
he run the defense?
Speaker 15 (24:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (24:20):
I think he'd be great running the defense, and maybe
he's your defensive coordinator if he's not your next head coach.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Let me ask this question, because when someone was talking
to me about it, I said, because they're basically why him?
And I said, what if he's another Todd Bowles? People said, oh,
he was with the Jets topple. Oh, clearly we saw
Todd Bowles could coach. It's hard to coach the Jets
in that organization, no.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Doubt, I think. I think that's part of the conversation.
Speaker 8 (24:44):
And their defense was top five in the league when
he was coaching there, and so you know he can
run the defense. Again, it depends on who's going to
get his your offense coordinate if he's your head coach.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
But again, as Ed.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
Pointed out, and you know with the cow Boys, you
just you just don't know what the motives are. And
that's because they Yes, yes, I mean it's interesting that
an organization who's had just two minority coordinators in their
history Maurice Carthon and Brian Stewart in their history, never
(25:20):
had a black head coach, especially enlightened with the sham
job that the Patriots did with their bringing in Pep
Hamilton and Brian Lefferts before they hired their guy that
they wanted to hire. The first two names that comes
out of legitimate interviews before the Keller More today was
Robert and Leslie Fraser. And as I said, Robert sala
(25:43):
is a legitimate candidate. Where's Leslie and Fraser coming from
and listen knowing Leslie long time defense coordinator, head coach
of the Vacous of ten to twenty thirteen, most recently
the defensive coordinator of Buffalo from twenty seventeen to twenty
twenty two before was let go, did not coach in
twenty twenty three. Is the currently the assistant head coach
(26:05):
in Seattle because they got a young coach and they
wanted him up there. But nobody has put Leslie Fraser
in any conversation.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
You can get a single interview last year the yeah.
Speaker 8 (26:16):
And so where is he coming from? Are we really
is this about the Rooney rule?
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Well, it's it could be about that, or it could
be we want to talk to you about our head
coaching job. And when you get here, what we really
want to talk to you about is being our defensive coordinator.
If we hire so and so.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Well again and to me, that's dirty pool.
Speaker 8 (26:32):
I mean, you don't bring me in to be my
defense court, don't hire, don't interview for my head coaching
job to be my defense coordinator.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I mean, that's not the spirit of the rule.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Don't want to be slick.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
Yeah, that's not the spirit the same thing with Roberts.
That's that's not the spirit, that's not what it's for.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Class.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
We're bringing you in to interview you for the general
sports columnist job. And while you're here, if we don't
hire you for that, how would you feel about being
the Cowboys beat writer.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Again?
Speaker 5 (26:58):
How much the opinion better than nothing right? Better than
no offer?
Speaker 8 (27:02):
It is better no offer. But we're talking about the
spirit of the rule and what we're trying to do.
That That's that's what I'm dealing with.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Hey, now I understand people will take those jobs.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
My other problem is this, and this is why the
process is messing for me. And we can get into
the Jason Witten stuff.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
He can say he's seriously is considering Dion for the job.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Right.
Speaker 8 (27:18):
This is this is my problem with the mess because
which has been a thirty year problem because Jerry is
trying to control things. Okay, if I'm hiring somebody head coach,
I want them to pick their coordinator. I want them
to pick their titiess coach. Don't pick nobody from my
staff before I get here. Okay, don't interview people from
my staff before I decide who I want on my staff.
(27:39):
Because at most head coaching candidates, including Kellen more than
anybody else, they already got ideas who they want on
their staff.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Every offensive head coach has an idea.
Speaker 8 (27:49):
Who if I get this job, who my defense courting
is gonna be, Who my titians coach gonna be? Who
my office court, my office line coach is gonna be
every defense coach. I understand that that's my problem with
the process. But you know, when I'm talking about the process,
the rotten process way back wins, That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Well, they're talking about two different things. Ones on an
NFL level, the other ones are more local issue. We're
talking about the Cowboys. Well, but the rule is league wise.
Speaker 8 (28:15):
Listen, listen, listen, the fruit of the same poisonous tree.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Well, I mean, I mean it's two things.
Speaker 10 (28:21):
But Clarence is right, like way back when when I
was covering to beat, used to ask up and coming
assistance if you ever got a job, who'd be your guy?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
That way, when they get a job, you already got
an edge on it.
Speaker 10 (28:33):
But but you know the other thing is if you
take a bigger look at the Rooney rule and take
a bigger look, I can't remember which one is macro
not micro. But and say, how do really most jobs,
how do people get hired? They get high because ed,
I'm looking for something. Do you know anybody clans, I'm
looking for somebody. Do you know anybody you go? Oh, yeah,
(28:55):
I know Newly and I know Jacques one personal recommendation
one is fine. So some of this Rooney rule stuff
is just you know, yeah, you going in just so
you can do to Mike Tomlin, I interviewed, Well, you
didn't need me, Oh you need a coach. Oh, I
just introduce to view this young guy blew me away.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I can't. I didn't have room for him for whatever reason.
Boom and so.
Speaker 10 (29:16):
It's not the preferred method, but it's better than you
never get in front of him to talk it all.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Now, that's the spirit of the rule.
Speaker 8 (29:23):
And I'm glad we brought because Mike Tallan seemed like
he's an outlier.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
You know, only if Mike Thomin got hired.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
That way by the very people who the rule is saying.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Right, But but yes, that's the spirit of the rule.
Speaker 8 (29:34):
But what I'm saying is that's that what the patriots
did is not about getting in the room.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
And hey, I know this guy.
Speaker 8 (29:41):
It's about let's just cursory interview this guy so I
can hire my guy.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
Check hey, check.
Speaker 8 (29:45):
And my point is it's interesting that the first two
names that came out, maybe because incidentally or not.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
You think they knew Salah was a Rooney rule, KENNI.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
Yes see, they know elevenies. Everybody knows that. Yes, everybody
knows that he ain't white.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
The Patriots might have been able to make hurt round
a third round pick. The Patriots might have made it
may look better if they weren't feeling like if they
were gonna get verable, they had to act fast, right.
They were afraid he was gonna go somewhere else, right.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
And they acted. And the dirty thing about it, this
is the tweet. It was a tweet.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
It was a tweet that they interviewed these two.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
They tweeted on the same They put him in the
same to.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Everybody else got individual tweets. These two guys got one tweet.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Social media intern about to go to lunch.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Time, Hey guys who bought the black guys?
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Chris Cross two gals working to revise that each candidate
must have his own.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Tweett like really.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
Like air baths got to look at go back and
look at their social media, and everybody every other interview
got their own tweet.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
These two guys got one.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
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Back to media Mash.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
Here we are back on the media mash.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
We've discussed Robert Solo, discussed us A Fraser, We've discussed
Kellen Moore.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
So I ask each panelist, if Jerry Jones called you up.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
To his office upstairs here at the Star, who would
you say, Jerry, you should hire Jack Taylor.
Speaker 10 (33:46):
I'd say, hey, man, go get Ben Johnson there, very simple,
offensive guy, his first time coach. I know you don't
like that, but get over yourself. I like the fact
that he throws the hooking ladder more than once. I
like that coaches with attitude has said, as evidenced by
the tackle Legenible plays in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
And you know, let's take a walk on a while
side and have some fun.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
Edward or Hall of Fame in which you got I.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Could have said, Dian.
Speaker 10 (34:11):
The line of my pocket I would is, I'm trying
to be a team player for Jerry.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
I'm interested in Pete Carroll, but I too would probably
hire Ben Johnson because if you no quarterback in the
NFL succeeded from under center play action passing than Jared
Goff did this year. And that's the way I think
Dak Prescott has to be used in his age thirty
two and beyond season. And I think that's what this
hire is all about. This hires all about that you're
(34:37):
the last one who has a shot to get Dak
Prescott to a super Bowl. In all likelihood, he's going
to be thirty two and coming off of two leg
injuries in the last five years. Who do you want
in that position to create the right offense, to call
the right plays. And I know Ben Johnson doesn't have
any history of running an entire team, but he's been
influenced by Dan Campbell. Look with he was a heart
(35:00):
of something huge. Nobody thought the Lions could be what
they are now. They're twenty seven and seven the last
two years. That's the best record in the NFL. So
for all of those reasons, I would hire Ben Johnson,
but primarily because he coaches the kind of offense Dak
will thrive him.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Now Chill is gonna say you're gonna bring out that
telling with him.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Yes, No, that's on the people here to get him
to talent.
Speaker 8 (35:20):
Or that they're good. There goes the problem I would hire.
I would say Eron Glenn. You know, I want a leader,
you know. And there's a guy who trained under Bill Parcells,
you know, and it's familiar with the.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Cowboys, familiar with the process.
Speaker 8 (35:33):
But just listening to him talk, he's a leader, you know,
and I think he can hire the right people. He
has the right temperament to coach today's athlete. That's why
I got a problem that we're all have with all
of our choices, is the rotten process the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Had dealt with because they can't talk to.
Speaker 8 (35:52):
Them to particilarly after the Super Bowl, not Ben Johnson,
not Aaron Glenn, because they waited a week because they
were by You can only get in start the process
with those guys last.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Week when they want to buy.
Speaker 8 (36:07):
Now they cannot interview them until after potentially the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
All right, I'm gonna go with a leader of men,
somebody who's been in the building. Richard Pisacia. I am
a person who believes that being able to get in
front of the room like special teams coaches do. I
think that matters.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
I thought Richard did a heck of a job.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
After that whole Grouten tobaccle happened with the Raiders, he
kept that ship afloat. They made the playoffs. They had
a heck of a game against Cincinnati, which they lost.
That Cincinnati team ended up going to the Super Bowl.
And I look at special teams coaches from the past.
Dick for Meal, NFL's first ever special teams coach, won
a Super Bowl. Bill Belichick's first job in the league's
special teams coach, Bill won six Super Bowls. Bill Kauer,
(36:51):
former special teams coach, won a Super Bowl. And we
look at what John Harbaugh's doing out there with the
Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
Is it sexy?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
No?
Speaker 5 (36:59):
Is it effective?
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Is it effective?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (37:02):
I mean Rich Damn Near fought Greg Hardy on the
sidelines up in New Jersey during the game.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
He was the only one who took issue with that,
his behavior in public.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
And yeah, so to me, it's not a sexy high.
It's not a brand name, but I want some substance.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
But he hasn't even gotten interviewed anywhere, right.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
And that therein lies the problem. There in lies the
problem where if you are you need to dig deeper.
You need to look and say what rock are we
not looking under? I do believe that along the way,
how come we're seeing these special teams guys who touch
every part of your football team, who have to get
up for the football team, and they hardly ever interview them.
Speaker 6 (37:38):
I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
But Rich has done the job, and I thought he
did a real good job the Raiders, and they've been
searching for somebody to lead that franchise since then.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
And he transformed Green Bay special teams in one year.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Everywhere he goes, he wins. Everywhere he goes. He's been
a part of the winning team. So that's why I
know you roll your eyes.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
That's a client.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
Oh no, he's not.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
The problem with hiring a special teams guy like that,
or the problem with hiring a defensive oriented coaches. If
you wind up with a good offensive coach and a
good offensive player and he's not your head coach, you're
gonna lose him.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
And look, you know, I am second behind you with
Aaron Glynn. On's to get a leader of men. The
only thing with Rich is Rich has done it. Aaron
has not done it. But I do believe that both
guys because I'm not here, no offense. I ain't here
for the joystick. Guys, Jimmy ain't call no plays. You know,
(38:32):
you can't have Dan Campbell's not calling any plays. Can
you get up there and lead the room? That's what
you need.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
And you're dealing with Jerry, somebody that can deal with
all that time.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Well, you talked about selling it to the fan base.
How are you going to sell that?
Speaker 6 (38:43):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (38:44):
When?
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Well?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
I mean well when?
Speaker 4 (38:47):
But you know, hey, man, he said he wanted three
sixty five days soap opera.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
So get up there, Jerry, do what you do.
Speaker 8 (38:52):
And my thing is, you know, I was talking to
a player last week and we get caught up into
familiarity and all for me, why can't the boys be
like the Rams and go outside the box?
Speaker 3 (39:03):
I mean, who knew of McVeigh.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
Thirty years old?
Speaker 3 (39:08):
You know, kay? What's wrong with out of? You know,
outside the box?
Speaker 10 (39:12):
Higher North was outside the box, higher wide receiver coach,
not to coordinated, you know right right?
Speaker 8 (39:19):
You can't find somebody like that. I mean, we can
get so caught up into.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Familiar doesn't that one more fit that profile? No, no
young offensive.
Speaker 8 (39:28):
Because because it's like said the only reason he's connected
here so strongly is because he was here.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
Well, because he performed well here is the quarterback performed
well here. We just talked about, right, talked about what
an important hire this is for Dak Prescott, and I
think Dak would react pretty well to I agree.
Speaker 8 (39:46):
I'm just saying, byside, I don't think that's outside the box.
That's not what I'm saying. That there's something that that
we we don't have a.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
Right How about Josh McCown. He was talked about three
years ago being the Texans head coach, that they were
kind of floating that out there.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Is he coaching anywhere?
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Yeah, he's with Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
I can't let us leave the show without getting the
thoughts about Jason whitting His name has been roomored out
there as well.
Speaker 6 (40:08):
That is Jason.
Speaker 8 (40:09):
But again, that's my problem when I talked about the
fact that you're already and Jason wouldn't will most likely
one day be a fine coach, and I think he's
doing a good job in college.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
But the fact that Jerry's.
Speaker 8 (40:21):
Miss high school high school, Yeah, high school, I'm sorry
that I'm sorry. Uh, the fact that Jerry's interjecting him
into conversations whether he was going to be the coaching
waiting with the parcels.
Speaker 10 (40:32):
Nobody won't win on the coach on the staff if
you're a coach, because all you can do is view
him the way people view Jason Garrett with Waye Phillips, like,
either you're telling on me. You're usually waiting for me
to fail so you can get my job.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
I like when he goes to Monday Night Football, he'll
be similarly overmatched as a going from high school, took
it to the NFL as a head coach of this franchise, right,
And I love Jason Whitten, and I have no doubt
Jerry is going to try and put him on whoever
the next coach here, He's gonna try and put him
on that person's staff, And in some places it will
probably fit, and others, like with Mike McCarthy when he
(41:05):
tried to do it with Mike five years ago, Mike
saw what happened with Jason Garrett and Wade Phillips. He's
he's too smart to repeat that. Would Pete Carroll accept
him and not be threatened? Maybe with Kellen Moore, Absolutely.
Speaker 10 (41:17):
Not with Dion I don't think so okay, all right, fellas,
this was fun.
Speaker 6 (41:22):
It won't Hey man, good luck, goodluck to your buck eyes.
Luck to your buck eyes.
Speaker 10 (41:28):
Uh, you know, I handled myself with grason dignity for
most of the game, and to.
Speaker 6 (41:33):
Get pet you got time for pitty.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I was petty after the game.
Speaker 10 (41:35):
I would say I behaved myself except for when Henderson
went seventy five years on the screen and when Sawyer
returned his return the fumble.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Outside of that, I'm telling him where you were. I'll
tell him where you were.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
I was in a switep full of Texas pictures.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
You got the video too, I got a picture. Hey,
good luck to you, Good luck to you. I'll be
rooting for not to name all.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Right, that's on point some point dirty though. Yeah, I
appreciate you. O.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
Hey, let's do this again next week.
Speaker 6 (42:02):
If we're not fired next Wednesday, uh claims, will let
us know goodbye.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
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