Mick Shots 12-24-24

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is nick shot streaming live on dallascowboys dot Com
and the official Dallas Cowboys have now Here are Bill Jones,
Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Well, the captain of the ship is not here today
on Christmas Eve. So I got the big boss, I
got the I got the rudder myself and with us
Everson Walls and Nate Newton in to help us.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
Nathaniel, thank you all, man. I'm glad to be here.
I'm excited. Man, I'm just I got a prediction now,
dream or fantasy, whatever you want to call it, that
the Cowboys all the least signback fifteen of their free
agent defensive player.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Well, good, because we're gonna carry Jones talked about a
bright future for this team the way some of the
young guys have stepped up and played on this day.
Bill Jones had to do a little family deal today
and so we excused him for that. Nate says, that's
a good thing. Yes, So we'll carry on here on

(01:24):
Dallas Cowboys dot Com on a very rainy Christmas Eve.
Anybody have to come in on a boat.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
M Oh no, not yet. I mean Rainy, don't bother me,
you know what I mean. I can't get to you
to give you your gifts.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Oh no, this is a tough day. You know.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
Everybody's trying to get last minute shopping.

Speaker 6 (01:45):
Yes, right, and then the rain is just out there
and I'm glad mine is done. It's good to have
a good family that likes to get out there and
shop for you. You just give them a card.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Let him go do it.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
They give him a cart in and Hopeville. Soft budget, Yeah, yeah,
you don't want you got a cat?

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yes, you want? You want a hard budget.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, there was a bunch of gifts in the locker
room today. It looked like Dak Prescott's initials were on
a bunch of but.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Uh yeah, sure need to go down. That's right. He
could get you a gift.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Troy used to get you something.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Oh yeah, we can depend on that, Yes, sir, season man,
you're gonna tell a couple of jokes man.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Santa da right, Wow, did you guys have a Santa?

Speaker 2 (02:30):
No, we did not have at.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
That didn't start we were playing.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
We did not yea, he got a member. He forgets.

Speaker 6 (02:36):
Those old days, you know, they didn't have all the
empathy and inclusion like they have today.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
And everybody didn't have shoe deals.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Now we had shoes. They were horrible deals.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
We didn't treat it. They didn't treat it, but we would.

Speaker 6 (02:54):
We would wear the wrong shoe and and we spat
our shoes and we draw the emblem on the side
that that we.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
Were beholding to right.

Speaker 6 (03:02):
And usually, you know, if you were supposed to have
ponies on, you know, you you put some Adidas on
because the Adidas.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Fit better ponies.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
People don't know what. So we drawed a little pony
on the outside of it.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
They got it. They kind of got hip to that.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
And well, the guy that's been happening trouble with his
shoes here of late is C. D.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Lamb. What's going on?

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Wearing the right cleats or the right colors? He's getting fined?

Speaker 5 (03:30):
He yeah, wait, what do you mean the white colors?

Speaker 3 (03:33):
He'd been wearing those. I don't know if it was
the color he was wearing those like, uh, bright green
and uh. He said he kept getting fine that he
had the wrong shoes on. They matched the uniform.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
That's what they have to mask them.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Well that's what he said.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Is that how it goes? Did you I guess? I mean,
I mean I wish I had that my money just
give way tonight for your charity charity saying thank you.
He needs some ride off.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
Yeah, he definitely used to use some right offs this year,
but I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
I didn't know that. Well they have.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
You know it's in basketball, you could you could do that.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Right wear whatever you want.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
I just hope we paid Chance and Gohlsen enough where
he can get him a shoe deal and get paid enough.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Yeah, yeah, I'm bro I'm stuck on that. I've been
stuck on that for like three weeks now. Watkins, Yeah,
I mean I need him back, Kendricks another year.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, I need him back.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
I need I need I need players. Man, I'm hurting
bad man. I don't want to. I don't want this
name to come down to the last five seconds every
game where you know, heart attack about to come on.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
Okay, so let me ask you this. We need to
keep these players.

Speaker 6 (04:45):
Yes, we talk about how we got the big players,
the big the big money, just a couple of guys,
and we've got all these guys down here that.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
We really need.

Speaker 6 (04:55):
We could just tie these guys in and make it
continue with the motivation and the the momentum that they've
had so far. Do they still do this thing where
you can as a player, if I'm DAK, if I'm CD, like,
hey takes some of my money and take care of
the rest of the guys.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
Well, is that something.

Speaker 6 (05:14):
That we talk about, that the true problems what you
can have, what you can do, and they will do
it with DA's press.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
I mean it's already in his contract. The mechanism probably
with CDs that you basically pay them a restructure bonus.
So whatever their base salary is, you say, okay, here's
thirty million dollars and then we'll reduce the base salary
and spread the thirty million over the rest of the contract.

(05:45):
But what happens now is if you keep putting those
voided years at the end, like adding like they did
for Zach Martin, when you get to the end, and
if he doesn't play next year or they don't sign
him to an extension, if he retires, he's gonna cost
seventeen million dollars. So at some point that money catches

(06:08):
up to you on a salary cap, but they're not
giving anything up.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
They're just getting.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Their money instead. On one eighteenth of the season. You
get it right now, right, and then whatever your base
salary becomes, then you get paid over each week.

Speaker 5 (06:24):
So I'm sure that's what we're looking at.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
So that's what will happen.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
Yeah, all the Goldsts and guys like that.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
And providing that they don't reach free agency and somebody
money whips them like they did Dante Fowler and Drance
Armstrong because Armstrong and Chauncey kind of a little bit
in the same boat, although Armstrong had more sacks.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Let me tell you what.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
If you don't sign these guys, If you don't sign
these guys, you're gonna be trying to find guys street
and you're gonna be trying to draft. We don't have
twenty five draft choices. We don't have six or seven
at the most right, So you have to, you know,
go out and sign these guys because you don't you

(07:15):
know who can play now, and you know who can't play,
and you're gonna have and you know, I understand if
we were one and now I ain't talking about one
player away because.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Parsons, as great as he is.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
I don't think he can defeat five offensive linemen by himself.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
I just really don't try you better, has tried you better.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
It is the time to bump yourself up against the
wall because these next three years are gonna be crucial
because all you have is draft picks. Okay, I'm not
if you're not gonna go out into free agency and
spend some money in free agency. Okay, I'm not gonna
argue with that, but this season cannot pass like seasons

(08:04):
has passed saying.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Well, you know, we're up against the cap.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Okay, we just let this guy go to this guy
team and they better and he's better.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
We let this guy go to this team, they better,
and they in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
We can't continue to have that roll over at some
point in some time, mister Jones and his group of guys,
when I say, you know what, Fellas, I know he
may be a little bit high, but we got to
sign some of these guys because they have shown great promise.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
They have beaten some decent teams.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
This year that the Cowboys have and what is the
reward for the fans being patient?

Speaker 2 (08:42):
You can't say to them up against the cap, gotta
let the guy go, yeah, you can'not.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
I mean, what do you want to do without go
over the cap?

Speaker 2 (08:52):
You can't? Yes, you can't. Know you can't. He may
cast you a little bit old.

Speaker 7 (08:56):
First round drift, go over the cap, Go over the cap?
I mean you not go over the cat up? No,
you couldnot go over the carapa.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
Do we have a cap raising situation?

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Otherwise they start taking guys off your roster. Not only
do they take now you're right, they'll go from the
bottom and say, okay, you're five million over the cap.
All right, this guy's making eight hundred thousand, he's out.
This guy's making a million, he's out. And they just
keep going and going until you're under the cap. If
you don't do it yourself.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
They you know what, man, I don't think it's Jones,
a tree and billion mult times.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Not about his money.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
No, I ain't talking about ain't money. Let me finished. Ain't.
I ain't talking about the money. I'm talking about his brain.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
This brain is smart enough to work this. He is
the innovator of the cap. He the one started with
the draft picks. He the one invented the car for
the draft picks. So you can't tell.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Me a man that smart. Can't figure out how we
can out smart this man keep somebody place.

Speaker 6 (10:04):
He's making a profits while still losing Pretty damn.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
I'm talking about that. These kids done grow.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
We can't let and we can't can't let it happen.
I mean, you need to go talk to mister Jones.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
There's a there, there's a market out there. You guys
wanted free agency.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
No no, no, you did. You're dead.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
You can't tell me that Detroit Lions ain't swimming in
deep waters. They got depth and they got front in
top Baltimore. You you mean yeah, So I'm saying it
can be done. I'm not saying that, uh, we'll all
be around here with no teeth because they got to

(10:47):
pull every teeth out of our head to make this happen.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
I'm talking about you.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
We got we smarted to get these Get some denters,
some backup dentchers. Come on now, I'm giving mister Jones
all the credit. I am saying that it's nowhere in
the world that if we lose three a Chancey Watkins
and then whoever else that third guy is. I don't

(11:12):
even want to imagine losing Osa. He's just starting to
find the sea legs.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
In this defense.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Right, so I give you, got to keep some of them, guys,
I give you, Okay, what if I give you, but
I can't afford chancey.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Okay, I go for that, all right, I go for that.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
That's the decisions they have. Yeah, so I mean, I'm
just being realistic.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
I understand about you. Really, you really, I ain't gonna
say listic.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
I don't. I understand about you real I'm real, but
I'm trying. I'm sorry, I derail you.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Show him sorry now is exactly I wanted to hear.

Speaker 6 (11:46):
I just when we go, when we do our Q
and A. Yeah, that's the first thing. The first question
we get all the time is why aren't we better
in free agency? So we start talking about teams that
got better and somehow still surviving under the cap. Baltimore
is one team. They've got many superstars on this team,

(12:06):
many players that are contribute to that coach, especially on
defensive end. Yet you're still able to keep your quarterback happy,
You're still able to bring in some wide receivers, and
of course you're still able to bring in Derek Henry.
So you know, we always look at other teams and
wonder how they're able to do it. And then we're
over here singing the same song, and so you can

(12:27):
imagine that's.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
Okay, I have to an Okay, so I've heard one
of our top ce ols say, we draft them, we
do velophant, and we resign them Stu.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
The resigning part, well the second quarter.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
So tell me this.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
You brought up Detroit who other than the quarterback and
the defensive end who's now on injured reserves and the
wide receiver which ride receivers making Simon Saint John Simont
Mon whatever his name, Moan and Lease, Moan and Lisa

(13:10):
signed what contracts he on?

Speaker 2 (13:12):
He's on a big soundtrack, I think, is he Look
him up? Look him up? Now go out there. And
they don't have Bill here.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Brother, I'm telling you, is he making what CD is making? No,
you don't have to make with CD's making. Well, I'm
the thing that I'm trying to list you.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
I'm listening. I'm listening.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
I am listening with one ear and talking out of
this big old mouth.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Out the side of your mouth on the other. Okay,
let me let me take my thay, Okay, go ahead
on top of me. You see walls I'm make walls.
Take me that, I'm making sure. There you go.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Okay, So you said he's not making what CD is making. No,
he's not well come because that helps their salary cap.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Right.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
The thing is, so do you want CD or do
you want uh Tobert being your number one receiver? The
thing know, it ain't by the way he said, he
it ain't.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Do we need to go to a break? Let me
let me help you. No break? Yeah, yeah, we got
a break. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Matter of fact, Tolbert said, he hyper extending his pinky
finger and the bone broke through the skin.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Now, how do you hyper extend something and it comes
through the skin?

Speaker 2 (14:21):
It had to come in. I come through. Did you
come through the bottom.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Or if it stands up one of your knuckles?

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Maybe? See that is the problem.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
You You done detoured these people off of free agency
and signing back players like Toba.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
They're salivating. Yeah, I can't salivate from me. I can't
from the shot.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
I can't talk free agency if you're not realistic.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
I'm being realistic.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
No, you're not all want sat Brown's contract? What four years,
one hundred and twenty million, okay, average thirty sick for
sixteen point five.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Okay, I'm just being out. I knew ye had signed
a seven seven guaranteed.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
I knew he had signed to make I'm gonna help you,
all right, I'm going and see. The thing that I
don't like doing is if you have a model that
has worked and nothing has been wrong with that model,
now you you do you tweaked the model.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Okay, for the.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
Last eight years, since we signed that cornerback a lot
of years ago for a lot of money, we haven't
signed a big name player.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
I'm with that.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
But if you choose not to go that route, I'm
I'm one hundred percent with you. But when you draft
a guy in the four for the sixth round and
he turned out to be better, Now you see this coming,
he's not strapped like a first rounder, you gotta figure

(15:53):
out a way. Hey, this this dude coming like Chauncey.
We didn't see this. No, I saw this that he
could set an edge and be better than an average player.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
He's good. You gotta pay him.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
You got to find a way because if you had
chance to go and and and I know OSA agents saying, boy,
you started slow, but we rolling nine, so we don't
know how that's gonna work out.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
All I told you, which one do you want?

Speaker 2 (16:23):
If they have to make a decision, give me both
of them.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Well that's not what I asked.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
I understand what if I can?

Speaker 3 (16:30):
You will if Son number one wants this fancy car
and you buy it for him, and son number two
wants the same car and you go, sorry, can't afford it.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
We see Son number one is number eleven, so it's
some number one gonna get the car son number two.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Sign number two is osa you take what we give.
See that's my point. He just made it right.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Unfortunately, Team number three says, I'll pay you what Sun
number one is getting.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Mm hmm. They ain't gonna do that.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Okay, well you're hoping. All right, We're gonna continue this
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Speaker 3 (19:39):
And we continue here on mix Shots looking forward, and
maybe we'll look forward to Sunday and the following Sunday,
because there's still two games to play?

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Is there not two games for us to win?

Speaker 8 (19:54):
Me?

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Okay, So I'm.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Glad you said that, because it occurred to me that
if they can get to nine and eight have a
winning season, this would be four consecutive winning seasons.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Wow, that'd be nice.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
The club record. We know you were part of the
end of it. Yes, right, twenty straight nineteen sixty six
through eighty five.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
The next longest you were part of ninety one through
ninety six. So six straight, the next one two thousand
and five through two thousand and nine. For five straight
two thousand and five through nine would be parcels for

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two years, and Wade Phillips for the other three. Right,
and four straight would be the next longest streak in
club history.

Speaker 6 (20:56):
That's saying a lot considering what's been going on this season, right, would.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
If you could get to nine and eight, right, and
so that's Nate's goal, win the next two games.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
This this thing to me is I've had a great year.
I think that I saw this in training camp rebuild.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, And I'm sticking to that and and I'm just happy.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
Every week I've asked almost every group podcast group, who
is the next head coach? Because everybody wanted coach McCarthy
going right now, I'm asking the same question now I'm
getting from his head on roll. He won't see the
sixth game of eight game to now if he can win,

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So it's a caveat now. So I'm like, you know what, Fellas,
you either believe in this guy, you don't, right, I
believe in coach McCarthy. Twelve and five man, yeah, teven five.
I believe in him, and I think he should be
here sign at a nice contract but a nice amount
of years. They are developing players. He's taking this and

(22:12):
put it back in mister Jones hands. He's taking his
team and put it say you know, I miss Jones.
Here you go choose who you want to sign. But
you got to give me a little.

Speaker 6 (22:22):
Bit more this house because I actually have a team. Yeah,
I actually have a team.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Everon, So when you mentioned the head coach, the two
other consecutive winning seasons were spread over two coaches. Right,
two thousand and five. We just said two thousand and nine,
ninety one through ninety six spread over two coaches. So
the only other winning streak was one coach Tom Landry,

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that's right right right now. The next streak one coach
is Mike McCarthy. If they get to nine and eight,
and that's kind of got to be the goal. I
think that's why you keep playing. That's why you're not saying, okay,
we're we're gonna see what Trey Lance has to do.
Jerry answered it today on his He basically they asked

(23:11):
him that question and he says, the priority right now
is what gives us the chance to be successful on
the next play, the next series, the next quarter, the
next game. And it's Cooper rush because they want to win,
and I think they probably have an idea what Trey

(23:34):
Lance is and they feel like that winning would be
important going forward.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Now, you guys, I.

Speaker 6 (23:43):
Think I think, considering where we are and considering what
you have to I guess play with I would use
Trey Lance a lot more in the ball game.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
So it's like, give him a series.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
I wouldn't give them a series.

Speaker 6 (23:56):
No, I would give him a play on a particular
situation that arch manning pro cheat.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
I would do that.

Speaker 6 (24:02):
I would not. I would not give him. I would
not give him consecutive plays. I might give him a
play on a consecutive series if he needs to be
you know, we're talking fourth and one. We're talking fourth
and goal or third and one, something like that.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
So like a special package package.

Speaker 6 (24:19):
For him that that we know used to do the
same thing with Cordel Stewart, right, just have a package
just for him back in the day with Pittsburgh. So
I could see them doing more of that, you know,
just to kind of give him a little taste of
what it's like to be part of this success because
right now we're exhibiting some success that we weren't aware of.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
You know.

Speaker 6 (24:38):
Cooper Rush is handling that very well. So I think
Trey getting a piece of that. I think that would
make him feel better about what's was, he who he
is going forward.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
So speaking of Cooper Rush, you want him back, want
and back where here he's a free agent next year.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
It's two things that I've never changed and I would
never change. I'm about winning and winning only.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
And Cooper Rush after that gives us the best chance
to win.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
Uh. I'm with giving Trey Lance a package. Give him
this package before the game, give him this package on
a clipboard, and let him go through series through series
and that's where he needs to stay because that's just
where album you see. Because the bottom line is this
right here in this league now.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
It ain't like when.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
We was coming through ever since where you could give
players series because you wasn't going nowhere.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
You you you you wasn't.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
I don't care what you did. Everson raised all type
of aide trade me, I don't want to be here.
I need a new contract. Trade and they just smile
at it.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Okay, he'll get over it. Give us something now. Trey
Lance is gone after this year. We did not take
his fifth year option, did we No?

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Some teams when they paid them something, okay, and they finish.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
He's finnah leave on something, right, He's gonna leave on something.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
The god, the guy is gonna leave. And So if
you believe that you prosper through this year.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
Of turmoil, these these these bad losses, these whoopings we've taken,
these experiences these kids have went through, if you believe
that you got a better term for next year, Trey
Lance don't fit. I mean it's athletic ast. The kid
is uh, it's great potential as he's he's had. And

(26:41):
I'm an advocate of you gotta let him grow, but
not right now.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
And see, every year that we hold off makes him rustier, rustier.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
And makes other talent come in saying well that Trey
Lance was the thing of the past, and its value decreased.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Its decreased.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
So you either got to put him in the game.
See I'm not like you, Walls. You either want to
put him in the game and let him play, or
if he's gonna be a.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Gadget play player, uh, let's say. Let's tell the world.
Hey man, he's a gadget player for us, like number nine.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
Is like Duce Vaughan was supposed to be. So if
he a gadget player, that's right. But if he is
seriously a candidate as a quarterback on your team.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
You have to let him play.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
So by not letting him play, what is that that hurt?

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, he's telling me, you gotta tell a Wall. I
don't want to see I don't want to see him.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
I think they're telling you what they say.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
I'm not listening. Man, If you don't, I don't care.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
So Everson really didn't have to go through this. But
what did nineteen ninety two for your team? Going to
ninety one? You finished seven to nine.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
Right, But you we was waiting for somebody else to
help us to get into the playoff.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
You had some success at the end of the year
until Troy got hurt. That's right, right, So did that
success help carry over to ninety one?

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yes it did, Yes it did.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
And once again different cecumstances called, wasn't nobody going nowhere?

Speaker 2 (28:27):
See you can build?

Speaker 4 (28:28):
Just think if there was no Sarah cap if ever
sing them wouldn't have held out for guys to have
more money.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
You know, I'm just calling it.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
Listening you would yea, when it's held out, when these guys.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Could prosper, we wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
We'll be excited this nation, Cowboy Navs would be excited
because just think if nobody was going nowhere.

Speaker 5 (28:57):
That was a coach's dream.

Speaker 6 (28:58):
Yes, it was a coaching dream, but players night there
was a players nightmare though.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah, because there wasn't for coaches dream.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Coaches dream this team.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
It was almost like at least like college where you
had four years to develop some right.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
Make who you wanted to screw over as a coach.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
This team could be loaded depending on who we signed,
who we resigned, who you rec it's see and and
I'm well aware of the Sarah cap and how you
can't go over it. But I just say the mind
of a mastermind of mister Jones, find the loophole, Stephen.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
And really that's really the when you have the best
front office.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yes, is they make some things happen, Like the hell
did they do that? Yes?

Speaker 5 (29:48):
So that's what everyone that's what everyone's crying for.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
And you can do it, but at some point you're
gonna pay for it.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
That's what I'm knowing.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
If I'm seventy years old and things all that.

Speaker 6 (30:00):
Wait, wait, so what are the Rams worried about?

Speaker 2 (30:04):
They sold us soul and they paid for it and
they got the Super Bowl though. All right, but but
they're back in the hunt now.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
San Francisco sold their souls and look where they're at.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Just now.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Injury got eight Well excuse me, injuries may.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Got us too, Yeah got them, they got us. Yeah.
But the thing is the Rams soul they sold and
was down for two years.

Speaker 6 (30:24):
That's why what if you but it worked, it's worth
it if you may be down for two years.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
If you make it. If you make what if you
would if you win it?

Speaker 4 (30:32):
If you win it ain't if with them they did it,
and they were down and they back.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Okay, they're probably one out of ten that pulled it off.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Okay, make it win a new era.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Okay. So you you're okay after winning that super Bowl
that you don't have any more winning seasons for say
four years?

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:51):
You okay?

Speaker 2 (30:52):
I think that might be. I think I might be
if you had won in twenty years.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
But what if you don't and you sold your soul?

Speaker 2 (31:01):
But you said last year or this year.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
I'm telling this right here, you have a better chance
of setting out for a super Bowl than all of
these smart people saying, hey, just lose and get first
round picks for the next six years.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Well, I don't you know?

Speaker 4 (31:19):
So, I mean it's it's Mick. Is is that what
they call it? Six on one hand?

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Half do it's got a Which one would you like? Man?
It's got to work. You know which one? I'm saying?

Speaker 3 (31:29):
What are the percentages of it working?

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Mick?

Speaker 4 (31:32):
I don't know, Mick, And you got a great point
and a great altomy. But the question I'm asking you,
we can go to break, Let's go to break the
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Speaker 4 (34:57):
Now Mickey has Mickey has made the choice off air, Yes,
which way he would like to go the quick fix
of the process. And I told him about the Philadelphia
seventy six and he said he want to go with
the quick fix.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, right there.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
And I asked her about the New York Mets too.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
It doesn't work. The only thing that can.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
At least in those sports money, well, yeah, this one
you can't.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
But the thing the only thing that works is what
Will McLay has been trying to do, and let's find
out what his coordinators and position coaches want in a
player and try to present the best player before them.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Right.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
The only problem we have is this thirty one other
teams trying to get those players.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
That's the only problem.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Though right now, because I know you get tired of
hearing people you know, lose.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
And get a better Drens. I ain't about that. Yeah,
I know.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
The Cowboys right now would draft number fourteen.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
I don't care get the best player.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
So I'm saying at fourteen, there's a lot of teams
that are a lot worse than the Cowboys are. So
this idea about losing to help your draft choice, it's
only going to be a couple of spots and ain't
gonna make any difference.

Speaker 6 (36:21):
You know, they act like they act as if you
only have so many good players out there in the
well in the.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
First round my favorite tour guide.

Speaker 5 (36:32):
And so that's what I don't understand.

Speaker 6 (36:34):
It's like you can't get the first player, so then
the whole season, the whole draft to shot.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Give these people a hand. They came out in the
rain to come to.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
How y'all doing. Y'all could have waited on a better
day to come out here, man, but go ahead on ever.
I'm sorry, I don't even know they.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
We were talking about draft choice?

Speaker 6 (36:56):
Yes, yeah, is there only just one good draft choice
in the first round?

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
I mean, they kill me with this.

Speaker 6 (37:01):
The Chicago fans upset because they you know, they're not
getting it was some team that was upset that they
weren't getting the first pick in the draft.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
The first pick is the only good pick in the
first round.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Well, Carolina did that to get the first pick, and
they gave up the first pick the next I mean,
come on, man.

Speaker 6 (37:18):
It's so ridiculous to chase that that rainbow.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
And can I give you an example of what you
just said?

Speaker 4 (37:26):
They the Bears four years ago, five years ago, got
a top pick. They got rid of the quarterback, y'all.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
This year they got another top pick. I listened to
the people's Chicago.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
They're upset not only with the coach, but the new
coach and the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
The new quarterback. I'm like, come on around here.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
I say, now, y'all, if we have a lot, if
we traged coaches and we dota a and this this
is this, I say, you know the system change. I say,
are you, as an announcer, are a talking head gonna
come on.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
And say, hey, y'all be patient.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
This is what you go through when you have a
new defensive coordinator, a new offensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Y'all wanted you wanted this guy from this place. Well,
he don't run the same system.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
So first of all, do you have the players that
are smart enough and talent enough to so? I the
question when I tell when I talk to people on
the street, when I go to asking these questions, they
won't they go from I watched the All twenty two
intelligence and.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Don't be ah, come on, man, think about what's what's
transpiring here?

Speaker 6 (38:43):
You have you know what, let me be going, well,
you know, let's let's what they want to happen. Is
kind of like what happened back in eighty nine. Yes,
just you know, sell the team. Well, of course not
doing that, but you got an entirely new staff, entirely
basically entirely new players.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
That that was. That was easy to do.

Speaker 6 (39:04):
Then, because first of all, we were only one in
fifty well three and thirteen, three and thirteen that.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
That that no matter, it was more than we didn't get.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Three seven and seven and eight went to seven and eight,
seven and nine, seven and nine.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Is that right?

Speaker 6 (39:22):
And so you know it's easy to do that, then
that that's warranted to do that then, because that's where
we were.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
These guys seem to be rebuilding in the middle of
a season. Yes, sir soft rebuild that's crazy.

Speaker 6 (39:35):
Yes, they're getting better as the chips are down, you know,
when we still have emaciated uh roster.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yes, and so you know those kind of things. Can
I stop you? Yeah? What's you lost?

Speaker 3 (39:51):
It?

Speaker 6 (39:52):
It wasn't e mascipatedd What does that mean?

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Because it's it stretched the balls? Yes, okay, geez it
sounded like something terrible. Man mind and folks up against
the walls up.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
He's the next Mark Jones, the guy that did the
s m U game. How many big five words did
he use? He used the word I think I've never
heard in a football game.

Speaker 7 (40:22):
And I said, Okay, I know you've got a great vocabulary.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Right, but the great vocabularies of the world. That's my listeners.
So you're not I'm like, do you know this ain't
Bill sitting over here anyway?

Speaker 6 (40:36):
Now that we know what that means, and I guess
I said the correct. You know we have you know,
we're not in the same position to.

Speaker 5 (40:44):
Where we can just strip the entire team, right.

Speaker 6 (40:46):
You know, Now you have to be very creative and
you gotta be you gotta be smart strategic on who
you keep and why you keep them and how you
keep them.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Okay, So having said that, and it is Christmas Eve,
I want you guys to each give the Cowboys one
present going forward.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Keep Mike one.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
Keep Mike McCarthy, okay, ever since keep al has all right.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Yes, sir, I'm with you on both of these, and
my gift would be somebody that can lay hands on
this team and get it healthy.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Well yeah, right away, Brol be hard.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
We yet go upstairs and start up prayer grab because
you know what, I watched these other games and when
I see San Francisco playing, it's all about, well, they've
had all these injuries this year. No one says that
about this, and they don't.

Speaker 6 (41:54):
You sit here with a backup quarterback, right yeah, So
it's obvious right there.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
You got a backup quarterback, You've got backups at defensive
end this past game and it worked.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
So what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Two backups at linebacker.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
So what you're saying it seems emaciated.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
So the title for this show is going to be
Amaziations of the Emaciation.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
That's what I want to say this right quickly.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
When we stripped down the team, or mister Jones them
stripped down the team back in the day, the first
two and a half years, all we heard was sending
back to Miami, we don't need no dude from Arkansas.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
I mean we heard. I mean they was ripping mister Jones.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
I mean, I'm like, hold on now, I was here
when you wanted coach and Andrey out of here.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Telling about the game is passing by.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Fans are never going to be satisfied because they pay
their money for winning, and I understand that, but understanding
this right here, ownership.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
I've heard distillers say.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
This, and I heard the Ravens management teams say this,
especially when Ozzie was with the Ravens. I don't draft
according to what the fans need. I draft according to
what this team needs to be better.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Never draft.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
We don't care what the fans think, because the fans
are going to.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Be there when you turn this thing around. To win.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
I'm telling you that's why. And I said this yesterday.
I give the fans at that game Sunday night credit
for the way they supported a team that just got
four hours early eliminated for the playoffs.

Speaker 6 (43:44):
Hey, and that team gave them all they had, right,
they were busting these guys, and they appreciated when they.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
Showed it on the field. They showed it on the.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Field, and I think there's something to be said. They've
been listening to me for those people.

Speaker 5 (43:58):
Right talking about talking about listening to.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Him, ninety three thousands have done on this little stretch.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Two things they've done.

Speaker 6 (44:09):
And you mentioned what time of possession right, and what
I always mentioned, our penalties and mistakes.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
Have got down and no turnovers Brough and no turkes and.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Mistake takeaways in bundles these last five games.

Speaker 5 (44:26):
So they've gone it started. It started with the time
of possession.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
That's the only thing that I'm just the only thing
that I'm really just pointed in.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
About this season is partially said he has signed for thirdy.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
I don't know why Jerry and knocked his house kind
of getting signed.

Speaker 12 (44:43):
Words are cheap right over, Hey, it's all years you
said you said that I don't need forty.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
Yeah, everyone heard, yes, well his age are probably just yeah,
this kid not signing for a part.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
It's one thing and everybody jumped on it, and it's
one thing to say it. That's another thing to do
it right.

Speaker 8 (45:18):
You know.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
I am so happy for this team, and I am,
but y'all know, my only goal is all season. Don't
tell me who we didn't sign. Tell me how many
have we signed. That's the only thing I want to know.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Get them back.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
That'll that will help the future. It'll help to get
injured guys back, and you know the couple. There's no
guarantees that it's all going to work out, you know,
with the Marvi and overshown right. That's that's what I
keep telling you what what what Trayvon Diggs, by the.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Way, that's what I keep telling folks.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
That that and you know that.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
And we still got the kid we lost in training camp,
Sam Williams. Sam Williams, we don't know is he still
gonna have his explosiveness. That's why I continue to ruin
everybody show, including mine, with this what I ruined y'all show?

Speaker 2 (46:14):
We today? Yeah, sign them back?

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Well you you hope you can, yes, and you hope
those guys can come back and actually play the.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Same thing if I get to Jersey sign them back.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
You know, there's no guarantee either. On now they think
Dak will be fine. I'm worried, but there's no guarante.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
I am worried about that. Well.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
I saw him come out of the press box with
all the coaches and he.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Didn't have his cane and nothing. He was just he
was going with the coach.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
The week before in Carolina he was still on crutches.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, but did he was?

Speaker 4 (46:48):
He was going yeah, Yeah, I'm like, what's what?

Speaker 3 (46:54):
He could barely walk up the stairs.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
But they got elevators. Hell, Caroline need to upgrade at
the airport.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
Yeah, Carolina, Washington, man, y'all ought to be But I'm
glad y'all voted on y'all stadium moving back to RFK
because that dump y'all built was worse than the dump.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
You got out of. Horrible. Well, I heard it's horrible. Man.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
They can't if you know how they flush all the
toilets at once. They had a major backup and it
ain't been right since.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Remind you of both of you the final game in
eighty nine when the toilets froze at Texas.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Now, yeah, wow, that was a perfect end. Should have
stayed in South DoD of perfect missus Brown perfectly into
a perfect season.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
All right, guys, thanks a lot, all right, Merry Christmas.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Thanks you man, Thank you man, Christmas Man.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Good to have you.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Coach Efverson, Joseph Nicky Joseph, what.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Oh grambling boy, you can change gears and hurry.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
That's why I don't like. That's why trying to get
rid of me on my show. He's trying to give me.
I'm ready for it. You need to give them Christmas kid,
donate by three billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
They need nil. All right, we'll be back Thursday here
on nick shots. Hopefully everybody Christmas Eve and a Christmas Day,
and don't listen to Nate all the time. We'll see
you on Thursday.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Take care, go Cowboys.

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