Mick Shots: Changing Of The Guard

Breaking news occurs during the podcast, Cowboys moving on from head coach Mike McCarthy. The guys discuss the change and potentially why, McCarthy’s accomplishments, what the Cowboys should be looking for in a head coach and the first round of playoffs.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
This is Mick Shot, streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
And as we look out over the frozen tundra here
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inside the SWBC podcast studio, Bill Jones, Everson Walls, and
the star of our show, star Vicky Spagnola.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
You talk about coming a long way. Jeez, he's a
star of his own podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
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And the weight continues about to reach a breaking point
here it appears. You think we'll see there's a deadline
staring us in the face midnight tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Right, what can happen in one day?

Speaker 3 (01:12):
What can happen one hour?

Speaker 4 (01:14):
And it always take it never does? It only happens
after our one hour?

Speaker 5 (01:18):
Oh yeah, that's what's right. Yes, I thought of that today. Yeah,
it's like at one o'clock we'll get a we'll know something,
we'll get a press conference call.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Oh okay, you're confident there will be a press call.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
I didn't say that, just judging from history.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
What kind of press conference would it be? Who would
be in attendance at this press conference?

Speaker 5 (01:40):
Well, if they're calling a press conference, they're resigning Mike McCarthy.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Guy, all right, just like in New England right now,
they're not re signing their head coach, but they've got
a new coach they're introducing to the media as we speak.
Mike Vrabel is now the head coach of the New
England Patriots.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
And that didn't just happen a tie a sport suit on.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Oh so you're telling me that he didn't wake up
like this, right, they just announced it.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
So do you think Mike McCarthy has his tie a
suit ready to get for Prescott?

Speaker 5 (02:15):
When's the last time we saw him in a tie
in a suit?

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Well since before he was calling plays.

Speaker 5 (02:24):
I'm trying to think, well, maybe his introductory that's what
I was introductory news conference right?

Speaker 3 (02:31):
All right, Well, we've got well, got so much to
ask while we await what happens behind the scenes here
at the Star in Frisco.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
By the way, since you brought that up, so the
reports on Friday and Saturday that they had begun discussions
were inaccurate.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Okay, well, let us get everybody briefed on the latest
report out there, which was forty five minutes ago posted
on x by Adam Schefter.

Speaker 5 (02:59):
Okay, complements of Don Yee the agent.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Okay, let's just get it straight right.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
With Cowboys head coach Mike McCarthy eligible to talk to
other teams after midnight Tuesday, there still haven't been any
negotiations on a new deal with Dallas. Per sources, it's
now looking like McCarthy will indeed become a coaching free agent,
with Chicago and New Orleans both expected to be interested
in speaking with him. That was posted at ten fourteen

(03:29):
this morning.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
So what's with the I don't know. It seems a
little bit inconsistent that.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
If you're going to let coach go out into free agency,
why wouldn't you just allow the Bears to talk to
him initially?

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Hey, Bill, let me give you another I've got streaking news.
We've got breaking news from producers. Supreme Tom Pelisara, I'm
just looking at it. I get this, I've got it
in front of me right now. You want me to
do it?

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Go ahead? All right.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Bills Sero just tweeted this or posted on x. The
Cowboys and Mike McCarthy had positive discussions last week about
the twenty twenty four season in the future, but McCarthy's
contract was set to expire Tuesday and the sides couldn't
work out a deal. Now Dallas needs a new coach

(04:20):
and McCarthy is expected to have interest helps so negotiations.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
So there were talks, right, There were talks, and which
tells me that they couldn't agree compensation.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, that's what those words just said. Yeah, yeah, and
that they want to see.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
Well, he already knows, right, Mike can't talk to these teams,
but the agent can.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Right.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
There's nothing against the agent doing his homework. And obviously
those teams might be willing to offer him more money
than or a longer contract than what the Cowboys are.
That's what it comes down to. I said it last week.
Somebody said, well, what's the hold up? I said, money
always always right, money talks.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
And Nepela Sero prior to that four minutes ago, said sources.
Mike McCarthy is out as Cowboys coach. The sides couldn't
agree on length of contract and McCarthy will pursue other opportunities.
He leaves Dallas with a winning record in three playoffs.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
I didn't need a source to tell you that. And
by the way, he's a really good source with McCarthy.
He gets everything first from McCarthy.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Oh right, did we have a developing situation.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, we didn't have to wait till one o'clock.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
We did not. I like this breaking news, Go ahead, Bill,
Do I need just a good thing? This shows out
eleven and not ten yep. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't be here.

Speaker 5 (05:52):
On time and it's still they still have how many
hours till midnight?

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yes? It out? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
That's the other thing is this kind of goes back
to what I was talking about last week when I
had very good sources who told me that Wade Phillips
was out at mid season, and there was but I
was you went with it that. I went with it
until it became official official. I was nervous as could
be because things can change.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
So this is not your first time being involved and
on the front end of breaking news.

Speaker 5 (06:32):
And we went over my situation with Jimmy and Jerry
that it all changed in the morning.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Well, here's the difference that evening. Here is a difference,
But here is a difference in it. What once it
got to this point and thirty six hours away from
the head coach becoming a coaching free agent, the coach
has some options as well in this deal. Right. So,

(07:02):
and by the way, the owner, president and general manager
well aware of that.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
You've got a lot of other titles, right.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
And knew that this was a possibility.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
No, Bill's getting inside information.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
I may have to go take this phone call and
y'all may have to continue without me.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
All right, Well, we'll try.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
That means we'll try.

Speaker 6 (07:31):
To do that.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
You want to take an early break, and you gotta
change something. I've got to take a phone call.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
Okay, okay, let's take an early break, an.

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We continue on mix shots Everson Walls, Mickey Spagnola, and
Bill our investigative reporter. Investigator is on it right now,
got a phone call that he couldn't refuse, so he
stepped away.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
For a second.

Speaker 5 (10:37):
After Tom Pelosero NFL Network is reporting that Mike McCarthy's
contract set to expire midnight tomorrow. Looks like what he's
reporting is that the Cowboys McCarthy have not come to

(11:02):
a contractual agreement and that it looks like that he
will be a head coaching free agent come Wednesday morning
at twelve oh one, that they couldn't get together on
a contract, and we were just discussing that since we
heard there were talks going on end of last week,

(11:27):
that this thing probably came down to years in money,
and maybe Jerry Jones was not willing to make a
long term commitment to Mike McCarthy or pay him what
some of the top head coaches in the league are making.
And there's a couple that are up in the fifteen

(11:47):
to twenty million a year range, and I don't think
Jerry's ever paid that that much for a head coach before.
So we'll have to see how this ends up developing,
and hopefully Bill Jones can bring some clarity to all
this reporting because one report said they have not had

(12:09):
any discussions, and I think Thursday or Friday we had
reports that they were talking. So this is why I
just love the off season, because everybody's got an opportunity
to throw mashed potatoes at the wall and hope something sticks,
and if it doesn't, twenty four hours later, it all disappears.

(12:31):
So we'll see you can always right, yeah, or there's
plenty of potatoes, right, I just got to mash him up.
So we'll wait for Bill see if he was able
to confirm anything stronger from inside these walls here as

(12:52):
we continue on mixed shots and so ever, since we
saw a lot of games over the last three days.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
And only one of them was really worth my time.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
Yesterday the Commanders, the Commanders and Tampa Bay. I am
going to probably now I can't. I was going to
say people out there should put money on the Commanders
because something fishy is going on with them. Really, I mean,

(13:26):
think about how they got to where they are right
now going into the wild card weekend. If you consider
one win with a tipped hail Mary Gas, another win
when New Orleans decided, no, we're not going into overtime,

(13:48):
We're going to go for two and it failed.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
And another win.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
And there's a couple more there that need to be
documented because they've had I think I heard on the
broadcast yesterday like seven games that went down to the
last possession yep.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
And then the Cowboys.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
Leading them nineteen sixteen with six seconds to go and
they throw a touchdown pass to win that game, which
solidified their sixth seed, and why they were playing Tampa Bay,
the lowest seated division champion yesterday, And then we can
go through that game, I guess we can go backwards

(14:27):
because they're lined up to kick the winning field goal
with two seconds to left left, and I'm watching the
trajectory of the kick, and I'm going, no.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
I thought it was going I thought this was hit
it head on.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
Gonzales is gonna miss this field goal?

Speaker 2 (14:44):
What was it like thirty one? Yeah or nothing?

Speaker 4 (14:46):
And it was a float there, right, So it wasn't
like he put his foot into it and drove it
in like that nice golf shot, right, you know, he
just kind of like hit it fat seemed like, and
it seemed to just kind.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Of it was fading, and it looked like it did
not want to go over the ball. It hits the
upright right on the inside, bounces in right on the inside,
bounces in.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
I'm sitting there going, oh my lord, this this team
is charmed. And not only that, if we look at
how they got to twenty twenty. They get a stop
at the goal line early in the fourth quarter and

(15:32):
they have a misconnection on an end a round to
I think.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
It's Jalen Jalen mcmilling.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
And he hits them in the hip, just like the
Cooper rest play right, same thing. How they had nothing
to do with that, nothing to do And the ball
is not only fumbled, but it it looked like Tampa
Bay was going to recover it, and it hits somebody's
foot and kind of moved to the side.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
And that's where Baker was trying to reach his hand in. Yeah,
but Wagner.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
Wagner came and recovered the ball, covered it on them.
I mean he was alert because he was on it
before Baker Mayfield was able to.

Speaker 5 (16:16):
And if it didn't hit that guy's foot, Baker might
have It's coming to him right, and they recover, and
whether they end up doing getting the go ahead touchdown
it because at that point they had only scored thirteen points. Right,
they were owning the time of possession, but they weren't scoring,

(16:38):
gambling on fourth downs, and then.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
They go ahead.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
Tampa Bay's coming back. They're gonna take the lead. It
looked like they got second and one at the twelve
yard line and they get a no gain third and
one at the twelve.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Did they lose?

Speaker 5 (17:00):
I think, oh no, no, this is the one they
lost cartage because it ended up third and one and
the center, Graham Barton, screws up the snap count he
did everybody nobody moved except he snapped the ball.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
He tried to give the ball to the running back.
Running back really didn't want the ball. Yeah, the defensive
line was all on the other side. They moved in
the backfield.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
There in the backfield, nobody in Tampa Bay moves and
they lose two yards and got to kick a field
goal to tie again. Now Washington had nothing to do
with either one of those.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
That's what Washington does. It's something about that team and order,
and it has of course a lot to do with
this rookie quarterback.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
Now he made plays to capitalize on some of those mistakes,
but they had to be handed these two mistakes to
get in position to kick the winning field goal that
goes off the upright and bounces in. Because when you
hear that thing thunk, whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
That's ago one. That's a good one. It's a thunk.
It's like, Okay, he missed it.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
I think.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
I think it's a thunk if you miss it, right,
But if you make it, it's a team the How
about that? That's it's a little bit more upbeat, a
little bit more positive. It bounced in and you don't
really see that every time it hits the goalpost. You
usually get the thunk going. It's going to come back
onto the field, right. This went through the upright.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
So there's something about them.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
And you know, it has a lot to do with
the quarterback, of course, and dan Quinn. You know, I
like the way the defense plays. His defense still just
like it was when it was here in Dallas. And
what I like about it is it's an opportunistic defense,
just like we were accustomed to for the last three

(18:59):
two years or so under dan Quinn. You saw where
guys are there opportunistic defense because their eyes are always
where the ball is. That if you're in the secondary,
their secondary is always looking back at the quarterback looking
for the ball, just like when they were here looking
for the ball in the air somewhere. We're not necessarily

(19:21):
worried about the running back or the wide receiver. We're
worried about where is that ball going to be because
we want the ball. It's kind of like the thermostives were.
They they're they're accustomed to looking back in the backfield
waiting for that quarterback to put that ball in the
air and give us a chance to make it on defense.

Speaker 5 (19:37):
All right, Our investigative reporter Bill Jones has turned.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
And did you hear their reports out there that McCarthy's out. Yeah,
that's what That's what I can say right now, according
to work under that assumption.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Okay, oh yeah, we've always I know you have.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
And uh I'm awaiting a confirmation, confirmation, confirmation.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
All right.

Speaker 5 (20:07):
See double confirmation gets double checks, not just the first.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
A measure measure twice cut once.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, there you go. So what are y'all thinking?

Speaker 5 (20:22):
Well, we we were, we were biting some time on
how charmed existence the commanders have okay, uh yeah, and
we were waiting to play.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
They play in Baltimore. No wash Mail. I was trying
to trying to get the chill charm. I was trying
to get the chilling thing off, and it didn't work.
Now it went right past quick.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
No, they're going to play in Detroit. So I am
warning the Lions right now.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Beware. Don't let them be close in the fourth court. No,
don't let it.

Speaker 5 (20:55):
Be close, because something will land in their lap.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yes, I have season long.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
You know what I had to give above too, kind
of like Bill, You've always got this ancillary information. I
like the fact that Doug Williams is really enjoying watching
this young black quarterback do well in the Washington area
just as much as he did. And yesterday was even

(21:22):
more special because he played against the team that actually
drafted him out of Gramling State University in the first round.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Bay So that was very cool on his part.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
I texted him this morning and said, you must have
felt pretty weird about that.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
He said, it was a great day. He really said,
it was a great day.

Speaker 5 (21:40):
So, by the way, since you brought up the black
quarterback and you gaze gave me hell for the black
running back.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
Right, hey, your boy, at the end of your boy,
I meant to tell you about at your white running
back came through.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
Okay, right there at the end of training camp, Oxnard, California.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
I am darker than he is. And you want to
know number two? What's number two? His mother is a
beautiful blonde. Okay, so he's half.

Speaker 10 (22:19):
Why don't Yes, it does, I said one drop, just
the way it is about Marcus Freeman.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Who Marcus Freeman, the Notre Dame coach. Oh yeah, he's black,
yeah and Asian.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yes see no, no, no, see that he's black.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
When he if something happens to him and he gets
stopped and they gave a little confrontation, he's going to
be the black.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
I get stocked.

Speaker 5 (22:49):
I'm a black driver.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
I'm not darker than it doesn't have anything. It's it's
the blood. The blood. It's only half. It's the blood,
but only half. Okay, I like next time I get
in trouble, Hey man, I'm irish. No, that don't work.
Like I was only half wrong.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Okay, give you that.

Speaker 5 (23:07):
I just wanted to make sure you challenge flag.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
You lost that challenge. No, only to you guys.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Look, my brother Greg is like, there will be a
new sheriff in town. Mike McCarthy is out. He's always
been that guy. He hates the Cowboys. I'm not listening
to him, my baby brother.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
So you got to sheriff, you want to hire Mike Tomlin,
Well he's still got a job. He's no, he can't.
He can't win a playoff game, you know, he can't.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
I'm amused by the talk about how it's Mike Commlin's
fault in Pittsburgh, you know, right, yeah, it's DoD gm
have anything to do with it there. It's all Mark Comers,
by the way.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
He just what they give him.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
He's going up He's going up against Lamar Jackson, you know,
Joe Burrow, you know, in his own division. I mean,
and if you look at the Steelers schedule this year,
it was so predictable that they were going to be
about seven and two the first nine games, and then
they were going to struggle the last half of the season.

(24:22):
That was as easy to predict a season as any
team in the league, just based on who they played
the first half of the year versus the second half
of the year. Not to mention They had a three
game stretch over Christmas where they played three games in
eleven days, all against top teams.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
I'm watching and I'm going, Okay, these sorry Cowboys beat
that team. They're in the playoffs. I'm watching the game
last night. They beat both of those teams, and one
of them's going in something and the other one is done.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
I agree with it. I was thinking that last night.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
I was going to bring that up and and and
guess what happened to Tampa Bay? They lost their cornerbacks.
How does that?

Speaker 2 (25:10):
How does that fall in your lap? In your lap?

Speaker 5 (25:13):
They couldn't cover Terry McLaurin if life depended on it.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
And it seems as if Washington gets those breaks and
they take advantage of those breaks. It seems like every
game it all comes into fruition in the fourth quarter. Right,
that kind of information right there, that that led to
them winning that game, because you it was it was
chaos in that secondary at the end of that game.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
How about the how about the.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
Was it the fourth down conversion there at the end
they had to whatever they needed to pick up? Uh,
the defensive tackles got to tackle for the loss.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
At all he does is grabbed the towel.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
He grabbed the towel.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
That's how quick this kid is.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Man, he thought he had it and then it just
took that little bit of stiff on right and it
allowed him to turn the corner.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
And boy, when that play was over, did you see him?
He was so upset? Oh yeah he was. I think
he did. He lay down. I think he went to
his knees. I mean that was an injury.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
That was just.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Frustration, absolutely amazing.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
I loved I loved watching the game, but I hated
the fact that we beat both of those teams.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
I mean we beat them.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
We beat one of them in Washington, and we beat
Tampa when they were on the road. Right came in
here and we stopped all of that. So you know,
that's the frustrating part.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
There's no rhyme or reason. Nope.

Speaker 5 (26:39):
And and I was and continue to watch those games
and the teams that were beating.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
I don't know about what Mayfield did.

Speaker 5 (26:50):
But Saturday quarterback stunk Herbert four interceptions. Now, one of
them was a tip ball off his own guy's hands,
but the other quarterbacks, Jordan loved kidding me interceptions.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
One of them he just threw right too.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
Now, these were all the quarterbacks I've seen written about
that they're so far ahead of Dak Prescott.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Right, and they they were picking Green Bay to make
the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
Yeah, in the offseason, and they talked about how Jordan
Love was just going to be so amazing looking forward
to catapulting from what he did against the Cowboys in
the playoffs last year. That's all they talked about, is
how he whipped the Cowboys and that's going to be
the springboard to them going to the Super Bowl this year.

(27:39):
There were those that thought that that was going to happen.
Smart people too, They said they were smart. They said
they were They told us they were smart.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
I was.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
I was trying to so that.

Speaker 5 (27:53):
Yeah, the Chargers that just stunk it up, and Buffalo
didn't exactly get off to wonderful start, and they won.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
They hung in there.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
But really when you look at how Buffalo won, you
look at how Philadelphia won, that's really how you play
playoff football. You know, it'd be nice to come out
there and just be like we were against Minnesota right
back in the regular season game, or the way we
were going against Tampa when we whipped them in the
first round that time. I think that was when Brady

(28:23):
was leading them. You know those are that's unrealistic playoff football.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
This is really everybody's still mad about that.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
But when you look at games like yesterday, that's how
playoffs should be.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
You shouldn't come in everything working. You should have to
grind for it.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
That's why your team should be already preparing for the
grind throughout the entire season.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
That's why you like having a running back. That's why
you like having a good quarterback.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Offensive line, defense, because that's the grind that you want
in the playoffs. Defensive line playing the way they're playing,
running back getting off in there, finding the holes, getting
the hard yards, and quarterback's been a little bit inconsistent.
But then when by the time the game is done,
the defense has settled everything down and the quarterback comes
out spelling. Michael Rose, I'll be back again, very good,

(29:15):
because I was going to point out nice Avenue Bell even.

Speaker 5 (29:19):
After the first what four or five plays, Yeah, Bo
Knicks looked like a rookie quarterback. Yes he did, right,
got it, got at one pass and then nothing.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
And then that If you're not ready, that's the way
the playoffs are supposed to treat you right, if you're
not ready. These teams come in and they did a
good job coming in, but your weaknesses are gonna show.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
It's just the way it is.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
Your weaknesses are gonna come, They're gonna come out, and
who has the fewest weaknesses, I think, is how the was.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
It's amazing how it seems like during the regular season
you can kind of disguise your weakness and then when
you get to play the best teams that made it
in the playoffs, your weaknesses get exposed.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
It's the way the Cowboys were at the end of
the season, right Our weaknesses became exposed because we really
didn't we once showed up personalel wise at all.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
We were playing well. They say spit in glue.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
That's how we were putting things together out there and
doing a damn good job of it. But because we
were so behind in regards to our talent, our playoffs
started before the end of the season. At the end
of the season was approaching, and that's when we started
playing like a team that was in the playoffs that
did not deserve to be there. That's why we got
blown out by Philadelphia the second time as well, when

(30:40):
we were really playing well before that, all of a sudden,
it just all starts to come down on you and
you can't hide it anymore.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
And as I think I pointed out last week, and
if I didn't, then I waited too long. But all
fourteen teams in the playoffs had their quarterbacks and running
backs right and the quarterbacks. The only team that went
into the playoffs that their starting quarterback didn't play at

(31:10):
least fifteen games was Pittsburgh and that was because Russell
Wilson was hurt at the beginning of the season and
he started. He nearly played one hundred percent of the
snaps the last eleven games when they kind of sprinted
into the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
So I wouldn't say sprinted, well.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
Drove, but but you got to have your quarterback. There
was no one in there playing with a backup quarterback.
And that's just and or a quarterback who missed a
bunch of snaps during the season. Jalen Hurts ended up
fifteen starts, right, and then he missed two because of

(31:52):
the concussion. The rest of those guys like Kansas City,
Mahomes and Stafford, yes, they missed the last game of
the year because they had nothing to play for of course,
so they sat him. So having a quarterback really really matters.

(32:14):
And I went back and looked. And we may excuse
me if we talked about it last Monday, but from
nineteen ninety seven on, every season since that the Cowboys
had a losing record, they didn't have their starting quarterback.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, we talked about that.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
Unbelievable. And so my bottom line is quarterbacks matter that less.
You know, that's why they make all the money.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
No, but also that's why I had to give my
boy Berline some love right when I saw him at
the Bill Bates event, right, And I had never really
talked to Steve, but I have always admired the way
he helped the Cowboy. I wasn't even the Cowboy fan
at the time because they had just gotten rid of
me and I was going to New York and all
of that and just retired. But watching him take over

(33:07):
the way he did for a hell of a starting quarterback,
Hall of Fame quarterback, and he came in and they
did not lose a beat.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
Or a game until the second round on Moto Man.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
I mean, that's just that's something that you know is special.
And I let him know, I say, hey, man, I
always want to tell you I liked your game, you know,
And he's like, he didn't know what I was coming from.
It's just some opportunity to tell you because I've never
really met you. But man, what you did because we
talk about it on the podcast all the time, and
I reminded him of how we bring up the old

(33:40):
old school days. And man, he was extremely important to
the Cowboys culture. A guy that was just here, not
long at all, but I thought he made a big difference.
Even though they lost in that second round, it helped
the Cowboys continue their ascension because even though they they
could have gone to the Super Bowl that year, at

(34:00):
least to the championship game, that season could have been
a throwaway season.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Well think about it.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
So you got talking about nineteen ninety one and they
were six and five and he had to come in
in the third quarter Troy Aikman sprained his knee and
he led him to win over Washington at Washington, which
would have that that game spoiled their undefeated season because

(34:30):
they lost the last one when they didn't play. They
finished fourteen and two, but the Cowboys beat him twenty
four to twenty one, and they went on to win.
So they got to seven and five and they won
the last four straight.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
With Berlin as quarterback.

Speaker 5 (34:50):
And I remember when they went to Philadelphia with an
opportunity if they beat the Eagles at Philadelphia, they were
going to clinch a wild card, and Jimmy Johnson basically
told Steve Burline, I don't care if you finished the
first half three for seventeen, do not take a snap

(35:12):
a sack, and do not turn the ball over it.
And I think he was like four of twelve or
something like that. But they ended up winning that game
with Berline at quarterback. Okay, investigative reporter, any.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Updates, sattus is basically quo. But I think it's well,
I know that there's a parting of the ways, okay,
and so we can turn our conversation.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
To who's the next head coach?

Speaker 3 (35:41):
That's right, Yep, that's what I'm thinking. Do you want
to do that when we come back here?

Speaker 5 (35:44):
Yes, we'll get our thoughts together, all.

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Edwarder reports Mike McCarthy has informed his coaching staff that
he will not be returning Cowboys head coaches his contract expires.
My ed sources indicate there was conflicting dialogue between McCarthy
and Jerry Jones and no contract was ever offered. Bears

(38:44):
have confirmed interest in McCarthy and is expected the Saints
will as well. And of course McCarthy worked for the
Saints and worked with GM Mickey Loomis before. It was
his first offensive ordinator going back there two thousands or so. Uh,
and Loomis has been with the Saints ever since. So anyway,

(39:09):
that's where that stands right now. And uh, now we
move on to see who the next coach of the
Cowboys will be.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (39:21):
Thoughts I want to head coach, suggestions I want to
head coach, You want to head coach.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
We talked about that last week. Head coaches versus coordinator. Yes,
elevated coach. You want to you want the analytics guy,
you want a gut punch guy.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
I want a gut punch You want an offensive play
caller guy? Or you're talking to when you say a
head coach, I'll walk around head.

Speaker 5 (39:48):
Coach if that's if that's available.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yes, and if not, many of those are left unless that.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
A former head coach, UH with an expiring kind track
on the staff. Now, who's the defensive coordinator this year?
And Mike Zimmer that's right?

Speaker 5 (40:06):
Or if I have to dip into college, okay there,
I just want somebody that has stood before. Seventy guys
in the team meeting room.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Tell you what? That not half the easy choice.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
If your Jerry would be Zimmer, right, it would Yes,
that would be the easy, safe choice.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Keep your defense in place then, and then you got to.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
Find an offensive coordinator because you're not just moving on
from the head coach, you're moving on from the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
So coordinators to me, they could be you know, gut guys,
or they could be analytic guys. But if I'm going
to have a true head coach like Zimmer, then I
wouldn't mind one of those analytic guys coming around, and
they could mix it up and have the best.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Of both world.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
You can throw names out there. In fact, there are
two who are offensive play callers in the NFC East
who are now moving on to the divisional round of
the playoffs, and that would be one with past experience
on this coaching staff and as a player here Kellen Moore,

(41:19):
and there would be Cliff Kingsbury and Washington as well
who has passed NFL head coaching experience.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
This is Cliff Kingsbury's most successful road that he's traveled
so far. Because as a head coach, they always seem.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
To start fast, finished man, and fade fast.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
Saved fast. This particular time, they have done the opposite.
Every fourth quarter. They're making all the right moves and
all the right plays, so all the way till the
end of the season was landed them in the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
It's amazing when one person reports something, then everybody else
has something.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
NFL Network mm hmmm, we were first.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yeah, we confirmed it.

Speaker 5 (42:09):
I want a leader of men, and I'll tell you
who would interest me as a coordinator to fit that
description would be Aaron Glenn. He's been here, he has
some leadership qualities in his personality.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
He's tough and no nonsense. But yeah, he's tough. That's
what I mean. He's tough.

Speaker 5 (42:39):
He was one of the better cowboy free agent signings
UH in their history, and he understands the game, not
just defense, and he understands people. He's going to get
a job. I'm not saying that's what's going to happen here.
I'm just saying somebody with that type of personality.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Yeah, he said, leading candidate in New Orleans, I would imagine.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah, Campbell knows he's losing it. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
And Ben Johnson, the offensive coordinator who does not have
head coaching experience too, And.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
I don't know anything about his personality. I know that
he devises a pretty good offense.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
But you got to be a leader. You know what
I remember most about Aaron Glenn He would do this.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
His his locker was over there at Valley ranch By
near where Darren Woodson's was, on that side of the building,
and he'd sit there and talk to the big media.
All the cameras were there, and then I would hang back,
and he looked at me and go, Okay, what do
you want because he knew I was gonna ask one
more question?

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Right?

Speaker 11 (43:46):
Speaking of Aaron Glenn last week, he was real busy.
You want to hear his schedule last week?

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (43:51):
I know.

Speaker 9 (43:51):
Go.

Speaker 11 (43:52):
So, Thursday he had an interview with the for the
New York Jets job. Friday in the am he had
he did the Saints interview. Friday in the PM, he
did the Vegas Raiders interview, Saturday morning he did the
Jacksonville Jaguars interview, and Saturday afternoon he did the Bears interview.
He was also asked to interview with the Patriots, and

(44:14):
he rejected that one.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
So he must have known Vrabel was getting, right, he
didn't want to compete against that.

Speaker 11 (44:22):
Well, I mean that was that was I mean, he
got that last week early, so I'm assuming that he
probably rejected that one because of what happened to the
last guy.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
So Tella Sero added to his report saying they couldn't
agree on length of contract.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Yeah, we said that.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Yeah, well so that and that was very predictable, right, because,
I mean, when you look at it, especially since McCarthy
was about to become a coaching free agent, and usually
a first time head coach gets a five year deal, right,
we've already gone through this even after three straight twelve
win seasons. I'm not saying this was true, but there

(45:04):
was speculation that he could be let go after a
third straight twelve win season and an early playoff exit
a year ago, but he had one year left. Well,
now you're down to no year's left, and are you
going to give a five year contract to someone who
speculation has was on the hot seat the last couple
of years. Well, it was very doubtful.

Speaker 5 (45:25):
I was thinking at best he was going to get
a two year extension because you and if.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
You compare that with the five five or that the
Bears or the Saints or somebody else might offer him.
And I think that's why when Jerry was talking with
the media for a good forty minutes or so after
the game a week ago, he started talking about incentives
and that sort of thing, and fans would love to

(45:54):
see to see a contract that is incentive based, you know,
and that's probably the best way to do it. It's okay,
you make the playoffs, you get your next year, you
get X amount of money, an increase whatever, uh, you
might go to the super Bowl, you get and so
you're basically betting on yourself, you know.

Speaker 5 (46:13):
And think about this, you mentioned length of contract. If
you only get one or two years, your assistants are
going to go follow a new head coach that just
got five right. It happened last year the coaches that

(46:33):
left here Joe Joe, he goes well, Dan five years
so I'm going there instead of staying here for one year.
Aiden Derby went to Seattle. He had a chance to
be the defensive coordinator, which that that's a no given.

(46:55):
But again, it's going somewhere where the new coach just
got hired. He's got five years. I stay here, it's
only one year. There was another guy on the assistant
that went with Quinn.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
I mentioned Joe Whitt Jr.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yeah, I thought it was somebody else other than him.
Maybe maybe not.

Speaker 5 (47:14):
And so yeah, that factors in two because if you're
a head coach and your entire staff is up, he's
going to be hired to put press to put together
the staff you had, if that's what you wanted to do. Now,
there's a lot of assistant coaches out there. Uh, since
there's what five five openings?

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Now is that what you said, Chris?

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Now there's six. Now there's the Cowboys, but there's six
was hired and right, we got it down to five.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Now we're back up to so you would have.

Speaker 5 (47:45):
Had five staffs probably to pick over.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Do you think Jerry knew this was going to happen.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
I think he knew possibility existed, the possibility.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
But yeah, no, he if he was going to roll
the dice. I think he thought he had it in
the bag that he wouldn't leave, that he wouldn't leave. No,
I don't believe that. You don't believe that.

Speaker 5 (48:04):
No.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
I think I think he's not surprised it ended like this.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Well, he should have someone else in his back pocket,
a couple of people, because things are moving real fast.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Well, and the other thing about it is the way
the you don't want to interview, well by the way
the interview process happens in the NFL is like that's
why Aaron Glenn was and Ben Johnson had so many
interviews last week. That was the window to interview assistants
on teams that had a first round by and No,

(48:37):
because he was talking with Mark McCarthy last But I
don't think he looks at it that there's any great
time frame.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
It's not like those kids.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
It's not like those guys are going to get hired
by some other team before their season ends.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Now.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
They just those were zoom interviews, their introductory that's why
Chicago's doing twenty five interviews or what ever. They're all zooms.
It's not like they're now. Some of them came maybe
on campus that had their season over. I think Brabel
may have come there, but most of them are like
two or three hour zoom interviews where you get to

(49:12):
know what the guy, what makes the guy tick, and
whether it would be a fit or not, and whether
you want to put him on your short list once
their season ends. So it's not like the Cowboys are
behind as far as any of those guys if they
want to hire them, and they've got a working knowledge
of Kellen Moore obviously, if they if that was a

(49:32):
guy that interested them. I think the intriguing uh McCarthy.
I mean, Jerry has seen what's happened with Dan Campbell
and Detroit Patriots. I think the reason that Gerrod Mayo
was let go after one year was they decided that
let's bring Mike Brabel, right, it was obvious that there

(49:54):
was going to be there. Yes, and and I think
the end.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Well, Bob Kraft came and apologize.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
There. Here's what I think the intriguing guy in this,
and it may shock people because he's been coaching high
school football. I know, I don't know where you were going,
but the intriguing guy in this is Jason Witten, and
I know how Jerry feels about Jason Witten, and with
sixteen seventeen years experience in the NFL, he wasn't just

(50:22):
a player in the NFL as far as being in
front of a room talking to a team. I mean,
Jason Garrett would rave about that sort of stuff. Now,
he's been coaching at the coaching his kids at the
high school level the last three or four years, and
a couple of state championships the last couple of years.

(50:42):
But Witten is a guy that would be It would
shock the world because it would shock it would shock
the world the hell out of me. But I think
it's an interesting candidate.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
And when he finished and all this talk came up
about him potentially being a head coach at some point,
and I remember somebody inside this organization, I said, well,
the tough thing he would have if he jumped right

(51:20):
into the NFL is putting together a staff. And a
person looked at me and goes, you would be surprised
that he knows a lot of people that he could
put a staff together. And it's somebody I trust. And
so with that opinion, yes, not that he was sitting
there thinking.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Right, I'm going to hire this obviously, he'd be a
walk around head coach. He hires offensive coordinator, hires defensive coordinator.
It might be the defensive coordinator that was here, that's
r this year in Mike Zimmer. Then you've got a
veteran former head coach who helps him along to and
then you have a senior assistant as well. Anyway, and

(52:02):
then you have to find a offensive coordinator. But what
you're doing, if you do that, you're and I guarantee
you Jerry has thought of him in terms of being
a head coach at some point. The only different the
biggest difference obviously between him and a Dan Campbell, as
Dan Campbell was an assistant coach and actually was an

(52:25):
interim head coach with the Dolphins going back twenty fifteen
or so, I think when Sperano may had been let
go whatever, and then he was under Sean Payton and
so he's been mentored along. But I think Jerry could
count his sixteen seventeen years playing in the NFL as
experienced becoming a coach.

Speaker 5 (52:45):
In the NFL, and he can do like Dan Campbell
did and just hire former players to coach for which
Campbell did initially, right.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Right, right, So anyway, just a name to keep an
eye on.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Isure is. I would be extremely surprised if this happened.
Here's your thunk. There it goes.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
It's Fadal distractable player. Mickey Spagnola is now describing weird
winning field goal by zing Gonzalez.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Get to hear me talk about it. I called it
a thunk, saying good sound.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
That's their fourth kicker.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Uh huh, that's right.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
Uh, he survived by the skin of his chin.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
All right, What else, So let's say a little something
about Mike McCarthy in our last four minutes his time here.
What do you think?

Speaker 5 (53:40):
Well, when you walked out, But it was something you
had brought up, and I went and did my research
on it. About teams in the playoffs having their quarterbacks. Uh.
And I pointed out ever since that, since nineteen ninety seven,
when the Cowboys went what seven in nine with Troy

(54:02):
Aikman starting all sixteen games, all the rest of the
losing seasons involved quarterback injuries or getting benched, every one
of them. And so Mike McCarthy has three of five
winning seasons here in the two he didn't he lost

(54:22):
Troy Aikman. I mean, Dak Prescott for the season. So
when you look back at his history here, I guess
it would be remembered as two out of three division titles,
three playoff appearances, and the fact that he didn't win

(54:46):
enough playoff game.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
No, that's gonna be the first narrative, right, Yeah, the
lack of playoff games. That's just the way it is
when you're coaching the Cowboys. I can see McCarthy coming
into that negotiation coming from a place of strength, just
like you just pointed out divisional winner, twelve wins three
years in a row, three years.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
And you know something like that just doesn't happen around here.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
The number one narrative, though, will definitely be that he
couldn't win playoff games. He's going he went into that negotiation.
I'm sure he's went in there thinking, you know, this
is what I'm this is what I'm going to tout.
You know, I'm going to talk to you about how
many other coaches have you had that have done something
like what I've done here in the last four years.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
So, as far as I'm concerned, I understand why he
came in that way.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
I'm sure Jerry was not surprised that he did come
in that way. But I'm also surprised that if Jerry
wants to go through this process based on what happened
is past offseason and everything just kind of got pushed
into the last minute, I would really feel comfortable going
into this offseason with a little bit more security.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
I don't want to go into too deep into the
off season. I know what you was saying.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
I understand that, but I don't want to go too
deep into the off season without having my team ready
coach wise for next year.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Think about what Jerry has done in the past when
he's made coaching changes. Now the rules have changed where
you've got to enter review a number of candidates. Now
you can't do what Jerry did when he and Jimmy
parted ways and thirty years ago, twenty four hours later,
twenty four hours off his couch in Norman, Oklahoma, here

(56:37):
comes Barry Switzer to the Cowboys.

Speaker 5 (56:41):
But hold that thought until McCarthy. These last three years
are going to the playoffs. Switzerland would have been the
last Cowboys head coach to go to the playoffs three
years in a row, and before that, Jimmy three years
and right before that. You have to go back to

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Landry's twenty consecutive winning seasons. And guess what I pointed
out about losing. Look at what happened to Tom eighty six,
lost his quarterback eighty seven the strike and then they
facilitated between vacillin.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Yeah, you could just say quarterbacks and the messed up everything.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Eighty eight.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
That Danny White was done and Lure wasn't ready.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
So but if you look back at his coach searches,
now the McCarthy one, it was spreading in net. But
he pretty quickly came upon McCarthy as the guy. I
think he had an idea. Yeah, prior to that, he
knew Jason Garrett was going to be the guy. In fact,
he was promoted in the middle of the season. He

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did a complete search with Wade Phillips where there was
a parade of candidates that came into Valley Ranch.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
And I think a lot of that you say, it's
different and now, a lot of that had to do
with he was picking everybody's brain and.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
That was a situation. But that was also a situation
from this standpoint with Parcels was at the end of
his four years. He could he could have stayed, and
he decided it was too much.

Speaker 5 (58:19):
Right, that lost in Seattle, That's right, and so.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
So he didn't have someone that was he had really did.
He didn't have someone in his pocket at that point
when he hired weight Okay, part when Campo was let go,
Parcells was the guy.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
He had him for the season, even right right they.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Were interviewing the Campo from chan Gaily to Campo chan Gaily.
How quickly was it that he went with Campo?

Speaker 5 (58:56):
I want to say it happened during the super.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
Bowl, okay, and then the transition from Switzer to Gaileen
took a while because there's been a mix. He thought
whether he's got a hand picked successor.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Or not any bad I think John Gruden would be
a good choice.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Gruden is another one.

Speaker 5 (59:15):
That fits that mold of being a head and coach
by the way, hasn't.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Coached, by the way. Woulden played for Gruden in Vegas?

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Interesting? Thank you? Ever?

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Said?

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Ever said?

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Did you play for Nick Saban? I? Did?

Speaker 2 (59:37):
He was? Was he the coach?

Speaker 3 (59:42):
The answer to that? What you know about Nick Saban?
Could Nick Saban?

Speaker 2 (59:48):
I said?

Speaker 4 (59:48):
I said Nick Saban about a couple of weeks ago.
If I'm not mistaken, if that was going to put
my choice in that not my choice, but who I
think would fit here, someone that could with Jerry Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
You know, Nick is the kind of guy.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
First of all, he's gonna be short with the media,
so he's not gonna whatever you guys do with with Jerry,
He's not going to give a damn. He's gonna be
stead you know, forward and straightforward and just you know,
thinking about winning games. And he's very stubborn in regards
to how he does his business. But I also think

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he's one of those guys just like Belichick was, and
just like he treated Belichick when he was under built.
Whatever my boss says, I'm going to adhere to it.
And that's what Jerry wants. A guy that thinks just
like that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
And as we said, don't think that commercial on TV
that Saban's acting, the one about Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
He said, you know that barbecue pit outside, it's a
nice barbecue pitch.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
You don't touch it, right, right, He's not acting.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Yahoo's here.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
This ain't We're not out here to have fun. That's him,
and I promise you guys he he would fit in here.
Even with Jerry being chirping over his shoulder. I don't
think it would bother him one bit?

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
How much attention would that bring?

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
It'd be something did you happen to see? And we
got to wrap up here did you happen to see?
The Athletic had a poll of coaches I think in
the NFL, which one of the open positions would be
or potentially open positions? So the Cowboys were included. Would
be the most desirable head coaching job available out there

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this year? Here? Yeah, and Cowboys were number one on
the list.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
Because think about one though. We'll go where we started
this quarterbacks. Yeah, Usually those teams that don't have a
head coach now, they didn't have a proven quarterback, right, yeah,
and that's why they all job, uh, you know, jockeying
for a position in the draft.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
So we didn't even Chicago does have Caleb Williams. They
do approven number one overall.

Speaker 5 (01:02:15):
He got somebody to work with, right, Maybe New England
has somebody to work with.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Hey, Chris, are you hungry? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
All right, are you buying or something?

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
I welcome to overtime. I was just going over the
coaching over time.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Nicky is going to continue with his podcast, ever Sin
and I we're going to all right, So there's much
to talk about, much to talk about.

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
We didn't even get to talk about the Cotton Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Oh okay, and we got to wait a week By
the way, Yes, that was the worst thing I saw
this weekend, the play call on second and goal of
the one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
You know what was worse than that? I was defending
the play call after the game in the postgame press
conference and putting it on his players for not blocking it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Hey, they didn't execute. That was bad.

Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
Well on the on the sack, fumble, the right tackle,
execute right, but they I kept reading about how yours
he he? He didn't protect the ball, he fumbled, looks.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Like he got.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
And it was fourth down. He yes, he had to
he had to hold on forever.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
That does it? And uh coach Sar can add to
the list too.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Yes, right, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
We'll talk to you next time here on mix Shots,
Oh Cowboys.

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