Mick Shots: Season Ender

A very eclectic podcast after the final game of the season with a quick look at the exit interviews, the coaching situation, what Jerry and Mike said postgame, the performance of Trey Lance and a full weekend tribute to Bill Bates as Legend of the Game.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
This is Mick shot streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com
and the official Dallas Cowboys have now Here are Bill Jones,
Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Everson Walls mugging for the camera here as we kick
off the twenty twenty five season here on Mickshall.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
How long do I do this? Guys? How long do I?

Speaker 4 (00:45):
As long as you want your fans to see you?
Just do you have a message for your fans out there?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, look at the back of my head, it's great.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
All right. We are here and there are no football
players on the football field, but there were football players
in the locker room and at the start and Frisco
earlier this morning. And I'm sure Mickey Spagnola was up bright.

Speaker 5 (01:06):
I was bright, and early eight o'clock you had some
guys in there. They came in, started their exit interviews
and kind of filtered through the locker room. We had
a nice talk with Malie Cooker, I think Michael Parsons
at the end wave to DeMarcus Lawrence came through and

(01:31):
had a really good discussion with Demarvi and overshow too,
he is just the best. He's got a big old
brace on his knee, he's on these big metal crutches
and as positive as ever.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Just give me nine.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
Months the exit interviews today, So for him, how come
I'm not in stereo. I just hear myself my right ear.
But other than that, yeah, I can hear you guys.
So yeah, there was there was guys trickling through some
just kind of you know, shooting the ball.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
And now my understanding is it wasn't the the typical
exit interviews this year. They were doing the position coaches
and and the exit interviews by requests perhaps with the
head coach whatever and so.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
But not lining up, not lining up for three ninety guys.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Usually it's a it's a process where and in fact,
I think they already know what their assigned time is
or they sign up for a time with the head
coach Monday Tuesday, sometimes it bleeds into Wednesday.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
And so that's sure they did that. There wasn't this
long gauntlet today.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Well, and the other thing that typically happens is Jerry
talks to the team in a meeting on the day
after the season and Jerry talked to the team in
the locker room after the game yesterday, right, so that
got sped up and what is normal, and that's why
the whole postgame scene took longer than what it normally does.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
Yeah, and he did a deal with the assistant coaches
probably for ten minutes or so, no Mike today, and
then the players for a while, and then they started
trickling in and out of the What.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Time did the locker room open this morning for the
media for the media eight o'clock and players were already
in there now later.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
The coaches came out of their meeting in the team
room at about eight oh five, and then the players
went in and then they started trickling through.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
So it wasn't a long meeting at all with the
head coach, it was not.

Speaker 6 (03:45):
Okay, I think we did it that way back in
the day. Did they just start doing it with this.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Interviews for it goes back throughout the Garrett time here, right,
so at least the last ten to twelve years.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
Although back then at Valley Ranch, I think that Monday,
when the season ended, however it ended, we weren't allowed
in the locker room. We had to do interviews out.
You remember those days, Yeah, in the parking.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Lot, remember that. But I also remember being in there
with cameras with players, trash bags up, getting that way.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
I just remember stopping cars kind of driving out. Somebody
were but that somebody was just wait, somebody would roll
down the window.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
That was after nineteen ninety six, I mean nineteen ninety six, Yeah,
after the Michael Irvan. Probably stuff we the Michael Irv
and stuff when we there were helicopters hovering over the
parking lot in Valley Ranch.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
And then suddenly we had rules and live shots.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
We could no longer. We no longer had unlimited access.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
It's always small.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Change we used to It was so much better.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
We used to be able to park alongside the players
in the parking lots, you know at Valley Ranch, and
we did that with the Mavericks to their practice facility
out in North Dallas.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
You know it.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
He'd be right alongside Rolando Blackman, opened up my truck
door and bang into his, you know, at stretching up
his Mercedes.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
At lunchtime, somebody somebody was in the locker room selling jewelry,
selling suits, selling.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
There. You know, Can I wash your car?

Speaker 5 (05:31):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (05:32):
Yeah, and this is in the regular season now, on
a Monday after a game, I mean, we would be
out marketplace. If Troy Ateman tweaked the knee or an
ankle in a game on Sunday, we would be out
there with our mini cams, you know, at eight o'clock
in the morning to get Troy on crutches or just
limping in, and then we'd sit in the locker room

(05:53):
for four hours until the team meeting at one o'clock.

Speaker 6 (05:57):
I mean, you know that was okay, you know it
was cool, But there's a there's a there's always a
problem with everything. I recall when we had our issues
with Tom or whoever on the season or whatever. You know,
the players trying to talk like, man, you remember this
and that, and you know we're fussing about this and
being kind of caddy of course talking about somebody behind
their backs.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
And there was always Jim Dent trying to peek.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
Around, you know, he had his ear towards you, acting
as if you didn't see him around the corner, you know,
trying to peek in on our conversations.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
I thought that was a bunch of crap.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
Well, you should include Gary Myers in that group.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Oh yeah, myus too, Yeah, myus too. He bought Well,
you know what, Marius wouldn't sneak.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
You would just go just go right up there.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
You Yeah, Jim was the guy that was sneaky.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Maus, the guy just get on your freaking nerves, all
in your face.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
And then on days when we didn't have access and
Jerry Orr was up in the tree.

Speaker 6 (06:55):
Yes, and we're trying to it's training camp. That was
a whole different thing because you got a cat just
trying to sneak out and go, you know, go to
LA and have some fun from Thousand Oaks.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, it was a good stuff. It was good stuff.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
So anyway, they the uh and because it was just
right after the game, they still had I only saw
one or two guys with the trash bags putting stuff
in to leave because they still had their game bay
bags and they out and they were processing bags. They've
got actual No, no, these were not to take home.

(07:29):
These were the ones they take to the state. And
they were taking care of the shoulder pads. Somebody was wondering,
why are they pulling tape off the shoulder pads, and
I go, it's two way tape. So the jersey sticks
to them tight, so you can't yank the jersey get

(07:49):
away with holding.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
You have to explain that to some people.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
Well, they they had never been around it was a
young person, Okay, been around the team that much.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
You were mentoring, Yes.

Speaker 5 (07:59):
Doing a good I was proud of my two way tapes.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
Okay. So do we dive into the elephant in the
room now?

Speaker 5 (08:09):
However you want to do it. You want to talk
about the game, we can talk about it.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
We'll talk about the let's talk about the we got.
We're going to go all the way till noon. Okay,
So we'll talk about the game in the next segment.
But let's get into what we needed and what do
we need to know about the head coach and the
coaching staff and the timeline and what do you anticipate
is happening behind the scenes here at the Star as

(08:34):
we speak.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
Well, after listening, well I didn't listen. I read the
transcript Jerry Jerry. Afterwards, he had a.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Couple of sessions with the media. Watch one that went
beyond twenty minutes and the other one went about twenty minutes.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
He went forty five minutes. Basically, they kept asking questions
and he's kept because he started off saying, Okay, let's
do this and get you know, real quick here. Forty
five minutes later, he's finally done answering questions.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
You know, we don't do things quick and and if you.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
Read it all, it's like, what's he talking about? I mean,
you couldn't come to what and what I meant? He
said meaningful stuff, but he didn't say what everybody was
looking for. It like, well, yeah, Mike's coming back, or
he's not coming back, or I'm making the decision tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (09:28):
So there was the word soliloquy come into play. He's like,
all of his interviews turn into that.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
You're gonna have to sit here and see if smoke
comes walking out of the window of his office.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
He just pontificates, right, what it is a lot.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
Of that And so the only person I think that
really said what he wanted to do was McCarthy because
somebody pointed out to him that, you know, you've been
linked to other jobs, would you has he uh, well,
with other openings? Okay, yeah, like you know.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
I mean just connect.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Like no one officials.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
Yeah, where if he decided he didn't had enough and
he's just gonna you know, he becomes a coaching free
agent a week from Tuesday, week from tomorrow. Who has
does he have prior relationships with? And we've talked about
New Orleans he used to coach there. Mickey Loomis is
a GM we've talked about or others have talked about

(10:32):
Aaron Rodgers and the Jets. I mean, you know, but
Aaron Rodgers probably didn't.

Speaker 5 (10:37):
Yeah, you can't count that, right, so go ask Adams, right,
but you just connect the dots with whoever he's worked
with before.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
It's oh, that could be a landing.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
So his answer to the question was do you want
to still be here? And he said absolutely. He goes
the job's not done. I build foundations, I build teams,
and we still have work to do.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
What was he doing before he came to the Cowboys.
He was.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
Doing research and practicing for a year, watching tape to
know that he would like to continue coaching, and he
didn't want to lose contact with the personnel in the league.
With what teams were doing.

Speaker 7 (11:21):
Well, how many years had just one one, one, one
and a half?

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Well, it was maybe five or six games left in
the what two thousand and eighteen season when he was
let go in Green Bay, and then he had a
group of coaches that lived in the area in Green
Bay that he had worked with previously, maybe some retired whatever.
They would meet during the season just uh, just like

(11:47):
they would have coaches meetings, you know, just going over
trends in the league and what's going on week to week.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Because he was so he basically he was still hungry.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
The coach.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Didn't have never like he's never lost the passion, and
he's got it more now than ever.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
I think, Yeah, I guess I asked that because I
would think that if we had to do a bill
place sales thing, that he would be more prone to
come back, you know, because you know, we're the ones
that plucked him out of retirement so to speak.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
I would think that.

Speaker 6 (12:19):
But but with him being still hungry when we when
we started uh engaging with him, uh, he would still
you you're thinking, I'm asking you this, would he uh
still have that hunger to coach if he were to
be let.

Speaker 5 (12:36):
Go from he yes, no doubt, that's yeah, Yeah, yeah,
I think he would. I don't think he's ready.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
To He wasn't.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
He wasn't like, yeah, no, no, he's he's on fire.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
All right, all right, that's that's the one like that
and that may.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Be and that may be what Jerry wants to figure out.
And yeah, sitting down with him this week and watch
his plan you know, going forward. You know, I look back,
remember the whole before.

Speaker 6 (13:03):
They also, I wonder if if the comfort zone here
would have a lot to do with him leaving, his
feeling about leaving, if he were to get I mean,
if he was.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
Uncomfortable he yeah, yeah, Oh, I think he's handled it
awfully well. And I think he understands better than everybody
else out there with this GM thing with Jerry. You know,
somebody wanted today make a big deal out of when
Jerry said that he was unaware that Cooper Rush had

(13:38):
another two hundred and fifty thousand dollars bonus if he
actually played the whole game coming his way, right, And
he said, yeah, no, I wasn't aware that we were
going to do what we needed to do. Well, he
and I don't know how many times we have to
say this, but Will McLay and Stephen Owns take care

(14:00):
of the day to day business, right and then he
you know, has to sign off on whatever decisions are made.
But he's not sitting there, you know, analyzing every day
how many dollars have been spent on the salary cap.
He has an idea, he gets a report, right, but
he's got a lot of other things.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
But that doesn't mean no one in the organization.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
Is it just like all that if Jerry did well,
no one else well, yeah they knew about it, but
you know so, but people that aren't around here on
a daily basis just don't understand the operation. But he's
the one out front and that's the way he wants it,

(14:43):
and that's the way it's always going to be. So
so yeah, I think from a coaching standpoint, I don't
know if it's a quick decision or what I think
he knows in his mind. I think he knows.

Speaker 6 (14:56):
Okay, So switching from him to Jerry, Jerry's always got
He's a businessman.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
He's got back up playing he's a businessman.

Speaker 6 (15:04):
Well he should yeah, So what what do you think
his thought process would be if he were to make
a drastic move and get rid of McCarthy.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
Well, I'll tell you what he probably wouldn't do is
just hire a coordinator without head coaching, without head coaching experience,
I think he wants a head coach. That's why the
other day did I say it in here? Somebody asked

(15:35):
me who do you want? And I was like, I
want a head coach. And I said, well, well, what
does that mean?

Speaker 2 (15:41):
What does that mean?

Speaker 5 (15:42):
Nick Saban, Oh, you mean that, I mean a head coach.
The last time, you know, he hired somebody that he
either wasn't totally familiar with or hadn't been here or
hadn't been a head coach was chen in the lasted
two years. So he'll say that that was a mistake

(16:08):
to get rid of him that soon. What he doesn't
point out that Chan Gaily and Troy Aikman weren't meshing
very well, and so you know, he had a different
idea of the offense he wanted to run and it
wasn't what Troy wanted to run. Plus he didn't he

(16:29):
was he was tired of Michael Irvin too, by the way,
So and then Michael Irvin got hurt and that was
the end of that season because he needed Michael Irvin.
I kind of wrote that, and he didn't like it
when he exited. Oh yeah, I wrote I wrote basically

(16:52):
the guy he didn't want was the guy he needed,
and then he lost him that early in the season,
and then they didn't have any wide receivers.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
And he was leaving. He was leaving the ranch last time,
and I was coming the other way down the breezeway
and I said one too many things. I said something like, uh, well, coach,
good luck. Then I had to hope you think I
treated you fairly, and he said you did until this morning.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
You had to make it about yourself.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
No, I just it just came out.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
You had he had the guild. It was killing although
you know what.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
I ran into him one year at the Senior Bulls
after that, and he came up and talked about me
had been together forever, and I was dreading it when
I saw.

Speaker 8 (17:42):
No, no, not again.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
You need to take some self defense classes. That might be.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
That was That was back when coaches read what the
writers said about the teams, because they got clips every
day with all the newspaper.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
They still get them, I believe me. I don't know
if they read him, but they get briefed, which was
Waite Phillips down fault. He didn't he didn't pay attention
to what was going on out there, and then he
got surprised, and then his answer was, well, I don't know.
Go see, asked Jerry. He's like, no, don't say that.

Speaker 6 (18:22):
So then Jerry is not looking at some analytics type
of guy to come in here.

Speaker 5 (18:28):
I don't look for some guy that hasn't been a
head coach. That's my percent. Yeah, like, oh, this is
the next hot coordinator.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
I gotta say, Nick Saban coming here would.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
Be pretty entertaining. It would be, well, what's he looking for?

Speaker 4 (18:45):
You've played for Nick Saban?

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah? I did, but I didn't play for Nick Saban
head coaching. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
Yeah, that guy Bill Belichick was.

Speaker 6 (18:53):
He's he's totally different from from that defensive coordinator in
Cleveland back then with Bill Belichick. No, he is totally
He has morphed into something else.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
Now, how different would this week be if Bill Belichick
was still out there? Oh gosh, if he didn't take
it to North Carolina, he.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
Did us a fall of favor. He'd be reported that
he's buying a house, right, somebody will say he's buying
a house in Dallas, which was happening. Was it after
Switzer or after Wade? No, it was before Parcels or something.

(19:31):
Everybody was buying a house here.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
So what do you think is going on behind the scenes?
Are there multiple meetings that take place with Jerry and McCarthy?
Is it one meeting? Okay, well, let's meet at two
o'clock Tuesday afternoon or Wednesday afternoon or whatever? What do
you what do you think the process? I think And
one of the reasons I asked this, you go back
to nineteen ninety four, March of nineteen ninety four, the

(19:57):
Jimmy and Jerry thing, and it was a week long
process of meetings once Jimmy became known that Jimmy wanted out,
and then they went back and forth. And you talk
about a media circus and getting back to the access
that we had at Valley Ranch back then, And if

(20:17):
we had the same media rules now that we had
back then, what we would be doing right now is
the media would be lined up in the hallways here
at the Star like they were at Valley Ranch. We
would be lined up sitting in the hallway between the
coach's office and Jerry's office, and anytime there was any movement,

(20:39):
all the video cameras would get up on their shoulders
ready to shoot. And it was a zoo where Finally,
Jimmy walks to Jerry's office and how many people were
in the hallway Probably there had It was a fairly
narrow hallway. I mean, there were fifty media members that

(20:59):
Jimmy had to walk to to get to Jerry's office.
This was like a three day long process. Jerry got
the end of his work day one day, and the
media just this swarm. Immediate was like a courtroom where
a store where a lawyer is coming out of the
courtroom and cameras are backbeddled as Jerry's walking to his car,

(21:20):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (21:20):
And there were five live cam the right side with
the antennas all the way up so people could know
when they passed by the ranch if something was going on,
because the antennas.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
Will be either that or the helicopters hovering over.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
Guess what, And they all got it wrong.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
That's right, And so yeah, exactly, that's the point.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
They said that they were coming back for another year.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
They had called the press conference. They had called the
press conference, and everyone's scrambling, Okay, which is it? Is
he stay in or is he going? And I'd say
ninety percent of them if you were guessing, if you
were in the right side ten percent that said that
they were divorcing. You were only guessing. You didn't have

(22:05):
any source to hear.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
A funny story. So I got tipped off before the
press conference, like half hour before it, and everybody had
written that they were coming back one more year. Well
and Lacewell had kind of brokened it, like okay, guys,
but's you know, And so they thought they had it brokeered.

(22:28):
And then I found out that they're going to have
a press conference in Jimmy's leaving. And it was my
first day at the ticket and they had the little
hookup in my office. We had those little three offices
right there by the door the player's entrance, and they
were going on and on and on, and I was

(22:49):
ready to do my first report and it's like, I
need to get on this thing is starting at noon.
I need to let you know what I know. And
they finally let me have the microphone and I said it,
and everybody was like, are you kidding me? I go,
this is my first day on the job. Do you
think I would hang myself on something I don't have

(23:13):
confidence in?

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Right?

Speaker 5 (23:15):
And so Hanson Dale Hanson Channel eight had to go
do a live shot and and he comes and he goes,
are you sure. I go, yeah, I'm pretty sure. He goes,
are you sure, because I'm gonna go with it. I said, well,
you give me credit and go ahead and go with it.
So he did. So Jerry starts the press conference, and
you know him, he doesn't just come out and say

(23:37):
it right. He goes on and on.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
And on, and I'm.

Speaker 9 (23:42):
Jimmy is at the press and I'm sitting there die
and a thousands of debts right and Dale is in
the back of the team meeting room up there and
he's going.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
Like, get to it right.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
It was like and he finally said it, and I
was like, oh God, thank god. But because it was
against what everybody had recorded, write all the headlines in
the paper and was coming back and uh yeah it was.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
It was a scary scary I got one on that
it was when Wade Phillips was let go. I had it.
I knew that it had been told to the coaches,
and so we went with it. And but until it
became official, I was as nervous as I've ever been
in my career because you don't know whether or not.

(24:34):
I mean, he could change his mind. You know, you
don't know for sure that it's there, and so you know,
I was working with Babeloffenbergh. Baby you heard anything, No,
I haven't heard anything. Well, I know that this is true,
that it's happened, but I there's also possibility he could
change his by it.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
You didn't have the confidence went with it.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
We went with just like Mickey I was. Everybody else
is reporting faith. But well you had enough sources that
that and he didn't change his mind on that. That
was middle of the season.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
He already h oh middle of the season when they
let him go, not.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Who they were going to hire middle of the season.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
Because when they hired him that that was a long process,
by the way, I think it lasted maybe to after
the Super Bowl, if I remember, because they had already
hired Jason Garrett as the offensive coordinator, but they hadn't
hired the head coach.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
How do you do that?

Speaker 5 (25:40):
Because he had a deadline at Miami, Jason did. The
owner said, you can talk to him, and if you
hire him, you got to hire him not as a
quarterback coach, as a coordinator. And you have until this
day and inside because I think that happened Saban left

(26:07):
to go to l s U. Right, he was one year.
He went down Alabama before that, Yeah, that's right, l
l L. Then before oh that was long cut. Yeah,
And so that was the deadline. So they had to
if they were going to hire Jason, they needed to

(26:29):
do it. They couldn't drag their feet. Funny story about.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
You got a bunch of stories.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
When he was the quarterback coach. It was his first
year full time coaching, I believe, and it was training
camp and the Hall of Fame game was being played
that weekend. They had practice like on Saturday, and uh, Jason,

(26:59):
Jason wanted to go to Troy's induction and he was
scared to death to go. Ask Saban if he can
you leave on Friday be back on Sunday? Right, So
he finally worked up enough nerve to say, hey, you
know it's my guy. I played with him. He goes
through the soul spiel and he said, I was just

(27:20):
wondering if after practice on Friday, I can fly get
the camp and I'll be back on Sunday. You think
that'll be okay? And Saban's answer is, do you think
we can't hold a practice without you? And you can
believe that, right, I.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
See it all man, Just a dead pan look on
his face too, like like what are you here? Man?

Speaker 5 (27:53):
It would be like the commercial on TV.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
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Speaker 5 (31:04):
He and his wife Anne were on the sideline.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
That's all.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yeah, he was crust just Oh my.

Speaker 6 (31:11):
I was up I was upstairs, you know, we were
in the in the suite, and I heard the ladies.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Talking about him.

Speaker 6 (31:18):
Oh yeah, Bob Lila was down there, And I said, uh, so,
you guys think about Bob liloo.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Oh he's handsome.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
You know what, he's probably still is to death.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
He Bob Lily is eighty five years young.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
Five.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
They probably probably thinks he's eighty two, but no, he's Bob.
And I don't know how, you know.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
We have to educate so many people on who mister
cowboy is and just how great Bob Lily was as
a player. Eleven time Pro bowler, a member of the
nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies All Decade teams, seven time
First Team All Pro, NFL one hundredth anniversary All Time Team.

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And if you're talking about the greatest Dallas Cowboys of
all time, it doesn't take long to call Roll before
you come to the name Bob Lilli.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
I'll tell you what, you know, how you get older
and you how to maybe shrink or shrivel up. He's
still this big, cool, larger life right.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Six five, two hundred and sixty pounds was his playing.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
Well, I bet he's six five to twenty five.

Speaker 6 (32:33):
You know, he reminds me of rifle Man. I'll just
be tall. You know, he's got the got the walk.
You know, I can just see him with that big
cowboy had on rifle Man.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
So we should talk about what we did this weekend.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Cool cool.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
Bill Bates uh was in town for to be the
Legend of the game. So you know how they have
a former player sitting up in a suite and they
show him and they got his picture and they're the
legend of the game. Well, they Bill Bates in and
here's the picture from Saturday that Everson got on his

(33:14):
phone of the group of us, and you can see
John Geesick to the left, Steve Berline, my hero Dale, Hellistra,
Michael Irvin, Chad Hennings, Everson, Ed Werder, myself, Bradsham, and
Bill Bates. And I think what everybody needs to understand

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is Bill has had health problems for the last I
don't know four five years. Oh ct is at how
we describe it, and.

Speaker 10 (33:47):
He was.

Speaker 5 (33:49):
From the time I met him two years ago to
this weekend, it seemed like he was more aware, he
was more touchy feely. Was he understood everything. Yes, he
can't verbalize greatly, but you know what, when you hug him,

(34:10):
he would.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Say, it's good to see you.

Speaker 5 (34:12):
Yes, And it was I think. I told Everson this.
I said, I don't think I've ever grinned from ear
to ear and shed tears at the same tight because
we were close to Bill right even afterwards, the things
he did. He would always be available.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
For interviews gets back to when we had access in
the locker room all the time. We actually got to
know the players and they got to know us.

Speaker 5 (34:36):
So the cool thing. And I told Charlotte this because
I found out how it all came to being. Steve
Burlin went to her and said, hey, you should do
this for Bill. They decided that they were going to
fly the entire family from where Bill and part of

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them came from, austra Okay, and not send America. No,
they sent Jerry's Lane times to Australia. Well, one group
was one of the kids was living in Australia right.
But when they took the picture at the game. I

(35:18):
swear I started counting the kids, their wives, the grandkids.
There must have been like twenty at least twenty people.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
Right, he's got five kids, kids, triplets.

Speaker 6 (35:29):
Triplets, and he's got twin grandsons.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
Wow, and they got grandsons and there's a three I
think there was three or four granddaughters. Okay, and Denise
his wife all this time. They met at Tennessee, got
married when they got here. She is an absolute saint,
is taking care of him. She's got to go everywhere

(35:54):
he goes. And uh, when I saw Charlotte and come
down to the sideline and they hugged, and she's starting
to cry, and I'm going, okay, I'm going to start right.
But I told her, I said, you guys have gone
a lot of things that people don't understand what you do,
but this one here might be the best.

Speaker 6 (36:17):
That's you know me, I'm always talking trash about Jerry.
You know, it's no big deal, but this is good stuff.
He did not have to do this, and I'm glad
you brought this up because you know, even a broken
clock is right twice as far as I'm concerned, Jerry
got this perfectly right, sending the plane over there for

(36:40):
those guys man, and you know, trying to because at
first they came to Denise and like, well, we want
to bring in your family, and Denise's like, well, I
got people in Australia.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
You know.

Speaker 6 (36:49):
One of the kids lives in Australia with his kids
and of course her grandkids, and man, they.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Picked them all up. Yeah, they picked them all up.

Speaker 6 (36:59):
Let's go, let's get it down, let's be They were waiting,
you know, wherever it was supposed to wait. They had
to get all the grandkids together and get the kids
over there.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
And so there's such a great scene.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
And going to the station. So going to the sideline,
what all them there? I was talking with Bob Lily, Yes,
and I told them, I said, you know they're doing
this for Bill. There they come to the last game
of every season. His wife Anne told me and I said,
you know they're doing this. And I said, I think
the suite they're in is like six twenty. It's on

(37:33):
the star level. And he goes, well, I'm not sure
where we're at. And then I walked over there and
I saw him and I went back to Lily and
I said Hey, he's standing over on the other side.
He goes, oh, I got to go say hi to them.
So they walked over said hi to him. Ken Norton
had been on the sideline when back for warm ups.
He came back over to hug Bill just watching that,

(37:59):
Zim came over over Stephen the whole family.

Speaker 6 (38:03):
I think that's what got maur Yes, I think that's
what got him maur Mour because he was with us
the whole time and he was just you know, happy, yes,
but he wasn't overwhelmed until we saw him down on
the sidelines and they showed the picture.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
But when he was.

Speaker 5 (38:19):
Sitting there and these guys are telling war stories, especially
Berlin and Hellastro and Novtex, and he's sitting there and
I can see he's he knows what they're talking about.

Speaker 6 (38:29):
And that's that's when Denise leaves him alone. She leaves
him alone when she's there, and he was just standing
there and it was as if he was talking, you know,
as if he was engaging. But they were talking and
he was he was engaging physically, yes, because he was
just standing there. He wasn't sitting down. He was just
standing there and you can just he was laughing. You

(38:49):
could just see him laughing, and it's hard for him
to do that, you know, it's hard for him to
even make a a other a sound. So we said
we were with each other, we were talking about something.
Then of course we embraced several times yesterday, but we
said something.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
I said something made him laugh and he said he
more than uttered. You could actually hear it. And she
said she was surprised.

Speaker 6 (39:14):
He goes, yeah, Bill, that's right, because he doesn't utter.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah, he whispers.

Speaker 6 (39:19):
At this particular time, he uttered something and I forgot
what it was.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
But you know, the small victories man.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
And the other thing I learned. So we've been here
eight years now. Maybe they don't remember, he doesn't remember.
But they took a tour of the Star in the
morning Saturday morning, and basically Denise said, that was the
first time we've been in here, and I said, get
out of here. I said, did you see you know

(39:48):
his name on the Pro Bowl wall and all that?
Oh yeah, we saw that the pictures. So when I
walked over there. You know how they have the Pro
Bowls by position and they pick out one player for
that position to highlight and then everybody else has their names.
So I said, it's down by the locker room right

(40:09):
before you get there. And uh, I said, well, I
wonder if they just did a special teams like not
punter kicker, but special teams.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Uh want to talk about the weekend?

Speaker 5 (40:23):
And uh. And so I looked and there was an
st special teams. It had Jim Schwantz there and then
it listed Bill Bates. And I'm going, well, the reason
Jim Swantz is on there because Bill Bates was the
first one to get named to the Pro Bowl for.

Speaker 6 (40:39):
That possession, right John courtesy John Madden. Yeah, courtesy of
John Madden. He always spoke with.

Speaker 5 (40:45):
So that surprised me because I see it. I don't
analyze it right, but I see it and it's like,
huh okay. But anyway, the reason.

Speaker 14 (40:53):
The guy has the pictures are the guy who has
the most.

Speaker 8 (40:57):
That's that's why they have a picture.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
So when you get the most, you get a picture,
which wants was only one year?

Speaker 8 (41:05):
Was he the first guy?

Speaker 5 (41:07):
It was his picture, That's all I know.

Speaker 8 (41:10):
I mean, Bill was first. I don't I don't know.

Speaker 14 (41:13):
I know that the picture turns into the picture of
the person when they have the most Pro Bowls.

Speaker 8 (41:19):
For the Cowboys.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
Well I thought it said Jim Schwantz nineteen ninety six.
Then it had Bill Bates nineteen eighty four, so who knows.
But anyway, I think in that case you should make
an exception, right, no doubt. Are you up there with
the cornerbacks.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
I don't even know what you're talking about. This thing
you're talking about, I.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Gotta find right we walked out.

Speaker 5 (41:41):
We're going to go take a look. But anyway, that
was a very heartwarming, uh afternoon, and then during the
game on Sunday when they had the whole family taking
pictures with Jerry and the rest of the front office
with the Cowboys, and it was pretty neat.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
We ran this last night, saw and Bill Ellis and
Arnold Payne, the photographer, our photographer CBS and Arnold Paine
with Channel eight.

Speaker 6 (42:06):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
I know they were there. Maybe been others there too.
They got an interview with Bill and Denise, but Bill
talked for he said, I'm so blessed. Okay, it was really.

Speaker 6 (42:20):
I wish they would give him more airtime. I know
he was crying when they showed it. I just wish
they because you know, when they do Legends of the Game,
they kind of they hold in on the guy for
quite some time. I wish they would have just just
a little bit more airtime because.

Speaker 5 (42:32):
They well they didn't do a live shot. They just
did the picture right.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
No, No, that was a live show.

Speaker 6 (42:38):
Oh you know why remember was just in the stadium
at the edge of the end zone.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
Oh yeah, that's right, that's right. Yeah, that's when they
because they were used to doing the guys up they
had because they had the whole family, they had the platoon.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
And it was so cool.

Speaker 6 (42:57):
But watching Denise work, uh you know the way she works,
uh and all she has to deal with pretty cool stuff.
Her and chouell uh they always had some type of
connection and uh so we were just cool that she called.
She called us, She didn't called. I wasn't the one
that was contacted. She contacted so to make sure things

(43:20):
got done. So Chuelle myself and Cherished, my daughter. We
hung out with him all weekend. Yeah, they finally met you.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
And that was that was funny. They met you. Hey,
we met Micky. Yep, that's him. Where's Bill? He's gallivant?

Speaker 5 (43:40):
I didn't that was but that was that was That
was really good.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, it was really good.

Speaker 6 (43:46):
And that was good to see Michael Irvin show up. Uh,
you know, he's got a lot of stuff not on time,
but no, no, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Mike gets there, were happy to see him.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
I'll go back one more little Bill Bates for me personally,
this was I just looked it up. The Monday night
game September ninth, nineteen eighty five against Washington. That was
the forty four to fort that was on Joe's Joseph
Thismand's birthday, and the Cowboys win forty four to fourteen.

(44:18):
I was covering that game as a cub reporter for
the TV station in Lubbock, Okay, and that was the
first time that I ever did a satellite live shot
after the game. We were working for the ABC affiliates.
So after the game, I'm live at Texas Stadium and
we needed a player to join us. And who was

(44:39):
it that comes out of the Cowboy locker room it
joins me for a live interview. It was Bill Bates,
who would have been I guess his third year in
the league now that was that would be his second year, second.

Speaker 5 (44:49):
Year, okay, eighty five, eighty three, eighty three. Did you
still have that picture on the phone. Yeah, no, no,
no one with you guys. The Thurman s thieves.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Oh no, his hunted hat the oldest, the oldest triplet.

Speaker 5 (45:08):
So they got all the guys with their hat, their gangs,
and then there's one white guy in the middle, and we.

Speaker 6 (45:15):
Touted how all of us were trying to look tough
at which we mostly did a terrible job at it.
But Bill Bates at the top of it because he's
close to the light. There's menacing shadow over his part
of the poster, and he looks cool as hell. Dude,

(45:36):
I've always said this, he's the scariest looking one on
the poster. He and Victor Scott, those two guys are
right next to each other. You're like, those are the
ones that you sitting out there when you want something done,
because they looked like real gangsters. Very cool picture.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
We're gonna talk about the game, yes when we come
back here on Mixed Shots.

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Speaker 5 (49:00):
It's always part of my celebrity needs to be a
little level couple higher. I think I wouldn't like to
go to that game tonight, but it's too cold.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
So the FCS National Championship Game, the North Dakota State Invitational.

Speaker 5 (49:14):
Right.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
State, Yeah, they are right at home.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
Then as far as the weather in the North Dakota
States here, Virtue for the last twelve years has been
there about every year.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
And I bet Trade Lance will be on the sideline his.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Brother is playing in the game.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Which one are they playing the team that has the
red field?

Speaker 4 (49:34):
No, that's uh. They were here once, Eastern Washington.

Speaker 6 (49:38):
Eastern Washington. Yes, they were here once. I saw the videos. Yeah,
that's what they have. They do a good job. They
got Eddie Robinson Award up there and the Dorris Robinson
Award at the FCS Award Bank.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
Really they have.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Yeah. I was a part of that of course, uh
for several years. Uh.

Speaker 6 (49:57):
They invite me to come back every year, but it's
always on the d I can't do it. But no,
I've you know, when you start talking about Eddie Robinson,
I think it's Buck.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Buchanan Award is part of that. Uh event as well.
So Grambling has this stemp all over that award. So
that's why I love it.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
So, Trey Lance, what did you think?

Speaker 4 (50:17):
Yeah, what'd y'all think?

Speaker 8 (50:19):
By the way, Hunter Lipke is probably going to be
there as well. Just let's stop, by.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
The way, the fact that Hunter Lipke was.

Speaker 8 (50:26):
A bigger role in the Cowboys than Trey Lance said
this year.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
Hunter Lipkey though yesterday wearing the number forty. I thought
it was great to see him get some touches with
Bill Bates number on. Okay, did I did like?

Speaker 5 (50:39):
And he ran well yep, so the deuce.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Here's the thing, the question was Lance, Trey Lance. Ah,
I was so.

Speaker 6 (50:53):
Frustrated watching him play because you see how well he
can play. You see the talent, you see the potential,
you see the probably the best looking quarterback in the
uniform in the entire NFL right now.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
But there are those moments that.

Speaker 6 (51:13):
Just frustrate the hell out of me, and he never
fails to give me those moments.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
The pass to.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
Random Cook Brandon Cook's Okay, yep, yep.

Speaker 6 (51:24):
Man, come on, man, It's like, how do you how
are you that egregious when you are so talented and
the man is so wide open you almost hurt the
camera man over there when he threw that ball on
that flag route where Cook was just wide open. It's

(51:44):
just a simple touch pass. You've seen Cooper and.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
Dak do it, and we've seen that route turn into touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
All the time. It's almost one hundred percent.

Speaker 6 (51:56):
And for him to miss it as egregiously as he
did that, just that just it just took me right
back to the preseason game. Not only that, there was
a time when Turpin was open on the scramble down
the sidelines.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
He threw off one foot. Why he when he makes
a bad pass, it's all over one. He can't throw
on the run, which is weird because he's kind of
a mobile quarterback right.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
And his arm is great for that. Now he proved
that he could do that.

Speaker 6 (52:31):
At one other point in the game, scrambled right to left,
he came back right the receiver, you know, at the
first receiver.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
Worst completion of the game, the tober. He was on
the move and.

Speaker 6 (52:46):
You could see, I mean he hit him as he
before he even broke open. The anticipation was there and
I could see that. I was in the press box
with Doug at the time. I'm like, man, that's that's nice,
you know, that's that's that's what we're looking for from him.
I'm talking with Doug Williams. And but then when you
see the the past the turpen, you brought the safety

(53:07):
over there to him, you lobbed it to him. Not
only that, and it was out of bounds. You didn't
even keep him in bounds when you threw the ball.
And of course the most egregious one was the miss
to ric o'daldle.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
I just had to start laughing and I just went.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
And once again he was throwing on the run.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Didn't stop lasting. He could have done a dag on
triple option pitch.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
To the guy she was trying to aim it and
short armed it. And because he was so wide open.

Speaker 15 (53:36):
One of the things that to me, that's a narrative,
but not the excuse.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
It's not an excuse you because he's so wide open.

Speaker 6 (53:46):
That's why you should have made that play as simple
as it was handed to you.

Speaker 5 (53:51):
One of the things we noticed in training camp before
he even played any preseason games was his accuracy was
probably not what it needed to be and his recognition.
He would miss guys. There was a couple of times
in the end zone. I think once it was turping,

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once it was I can't remember who else it was
wide open, but he never saw it. And it's like,
well you got to see that.

Speaker 6 (54:18):
And once again but when you have the basic plays, uh,
you see the talent.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
But again you see the talent.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Routes in there the right way it needed to be.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
But it's not just not playing football games. It's not
playing football practices.

Speaker 5 (54:39):
Right, you know, because the third quarterback gets nothing right
and if you get anything, it's with the scout team,
unless because he's mimicking other quarterbacks. But think about it,
had played a real game since well I got second.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
He is the same age as Bo Nick's, Jaden Daniels
and Michael Pinnis. They are all twenty four years old.
I added it up coming into this game. Bo Nicks
College and NFL has thrown twenty four hundred and seventy
four pass attempts in games. Jayden Daniels nineteen hundred and six,

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Michael Pennock seventeen hundred and fifty two, Trey Lance and
this is going back to twenty twenty twenty nineteen. He's
thrown a total of four hundred twenty seven passes in
games one season in college and which was three hundred
and eighteen passes. It wasn't even a full I mean,
he's playing at North Dakota State where they're not throwing

(55:39):
the ball like they do at other places, and in
the NFL just over one hundred going into yesterday. Basically
he's had one hundred and fifty now in the NFL now.

Speaker 6 (55:48):
And the only reason I say that that's not all
of his problems is because we've seen him perform the
way a professional quarterback performs in most normal cases.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
So to me, that part of.

Speaker 6 (56:08):
It is is that's proven for him. But that when
you miss a pass the way you did with Cooks,
when you miss it passed the way you did with Donald,
that has nothing to do with experience.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
You just got to that has nothing to do with experience.
That's something that's in here.

Speaker 6 (56:26):
You realize that that's an opportunity, and you make that play.
I don't care how much experience you have. When you
see that that's going to happen. Something in your brain,
from your brain to your feet, to your arms, whatever,
it says, Okay, that play is.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
A gimme for me. I can do gimmes.

Speaker 6 (56:43):
I don't need practice for gimmes, and those were gimmes.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
You understand what I'm saying. That's what I getse.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
Know who what trainer he works for? I mean, what
does he do in the off season as far as
like what Dak does with the quarterback school that he's
constantly Patrick mahomes with Bobby Strope who's over in West
Fort Worth. And I wanted to see Trey Lance get
with one of those guys, trainers, quarterback guys and hone.

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If you do it right, you got something exactly, you
got something there. But it's just it's the repetition of
doing it over and over and over again. And I'm
talking off season as much as in.

Speaker 6 (57:28):
So yeah, we're talking off season. Yeah, we're talking off season.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
You know what, I'd sign him, and I've never heard
this done before outside of NFL Europe days. I would
sign him at a reasonable price. Yeah, I mean a
million and a half whatever close to veteran minimum. I
would loan him to the Arlington Renegades and let play

(57:55):
ten games on loan. We're still you're still on our payroll,
but we are loaning you to the Arlington Renegades. Where
you can play ten games this spring and by what
you can develop something.

Speaker 5 (58:07):
But you know what, Yeah I saw that. Uh but again,
if you if you look at what, I think, I've
only seen one quarterback get elevated from playing that level
to the NFL. It was that PJ. Yeah Walker Walker,

(58:29):
because but offensive lines are so bad. It's like the
skilled player.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
I want him just playing it.

Speaker 15 (58:34):
I want him playing regardless of I.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
Don't care about the results. I don't care about the results.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Just play and I don't get hurt.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
And I want him under duress too. He's got a run,
he's got to scramble and my throws on the run.

Speaker 5 (58:49):
Yeah, that deep ball to Turpin. When I went back
and looked at it, he threw off his back foot
in the air, and yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
He was. He looked at him and he kept looking
at him. I think you want him to stop running.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
But but the key on that is your NFL contract
is not dependent on how well you do in the UFL.
You can't. He can't go to the UFL. I just
want him to get some experience. Come on, let's get
some experience. How's he going to get any experience?

Speaker 5 (59:16):
Because back in the day when they had NFL Europe,
you can do become him Hall of Famer. Which which
of the quarterbacks that played baseball did the Cowboys do
that with? It was the kid from Michigan, Drew Henson.
I think he went It was either him or Chad.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
Chad Chad Hutchinson, d Hutchinson.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
One of them did it. And but when you watched,
uh it was it was. I think it was Henson
because Parcels was the coach and Parcells was basically like,
you got to cut it loose, you just got it
cut it because he wanted to see everything perfect right
and he was scared to pull the trigger and quick enough,

(59:59):
which is some of what he went through. But other
than that, with three with six seconds to go, they
were beating a playlayoff team nineteen to sixteen and had
only scored one touchdown. Think about this, scored one touchdown
since Lamb went out, he played two games. They've scored

(01:00:20):
one touch on.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
Ready and their backup quarterback played better than.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
He was, diming man.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
They scored touchdowns on three out of four possessions, three
out of four possessions of the second halfdown.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
He didn't just stumble into things, No, he was I
mean even.

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
The touchdown passed that was a dime.

Speaker 7 (01:00:40):
That was a right that was and the fourth th
I don't think could have gotten that if he saw
he was covered. I don't think he got if he
was turned around, and I don't think he could have. Actually,
it was just the timing and the positioning.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
Was and then the fake on the fourth and one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Oh I do.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
How about Hooker? Yeah, let's celebrate. Did you see Hooker? Yes,
doing it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
And then all of a sudden hook relayed. Oh, I
got to save the touchdown here, I got to make
a tackle.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
That was I never saw. I got to see the
I never saw it. I didn't either I got I've
never seen the replay.

Speaker 5 (01:01:20):
I've got to see it because I saw him making
the tackle and I said, oh, it's a five yard loss.

Speaker 6 (01:01:24):
Great, great play, great play. My best players I've ever seen,
well and my best players I've ever seen.

Speaker 15 (01:01:29):
He didn't scheme wise, they didn't have the ball and
uh Micah bit down right right, and then lea foul
was Leo there? Yeah, yeah, which was a shame because
he played well too.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
They got something and Leo foul by the way, and
I think Zim pointed out that they think his futures
at middle linebacker the green dot. Yeah, and and the
fact that it seems like in these days the middle
linebacker doesn't have to be built like that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
And I thought when they drift, look at Kendricks.

Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
He's not that big, but he's smart.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
He fits the profile of Eric SAMs.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
I thought when they drafted him that Zimmer probably saw
Kendricks some Kendricks and Leophel.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
Right, yeah, and uh, and he's played.

Speaker 16 (01:02:23):
Well we're twelve o three yeah, we uh, there's so
so but okay, one last, one last, we're the only
doesn't mean you can go all day just throwing it
out that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
We got up, because we're not until next Monday at
Chris and tell me we got on prediction. Okay, all right,
what are we talking about next Monday at eleven am?

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
We're talking about Washington losing.

Speaker 4 (01:02:55):
Okay, we're talking about Washington losing.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
I think we'll talk about Mike McCarry being back.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Okay, there we go. All right, that's what I wanted
to hear. I wanted to hear you.

Speaker 14 (01:03:06):
Hutchison and Drew Henson both were out. The Cowboys sent
them to the Ryan Fire.

Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
Okay, both of them. Both of them went, I was
thinking one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
For you know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
Okay, thank you to follow up on the conversation producers Supreme,
the NFL europe historian.

Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
And we never pointed out that the Cowboys now have
the twelfth pick in the draft.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Okay, and who has the first pick all off season?

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
The first pick? New England wins the game, so they
no longer have the number one pick, and they fired
the coach and Doug Peterson got fired.

Speaker 6 (01:03:42):
You had one job expectful exactly, Well, what do you
expect from Mayo? Man, you're gonna fire this guy? What
do you expect from man? That's a black thing. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
As soon as brabel is, as soon as Brabell interviewed
with the Jets, he got he got very high on
Bob Crab's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Radar, crazy boy crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:04:02):
Well, I'll tell you what. Aaron Glenn Yeah needs a
head coaching Jay, and not just because of how he
coordinates a defense, just who he is that I think
it was just one year here, maybe two at the most. Yeah,
first Aaron O three, I know he understood the game.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
So I got.

Speaker 6 (01:04:23):
I love the Trust coaching staff. I just love the
whole staff. The guys are good they they're good. They
all it's like they all believe together, right, you know
what I mean. Dave Campbell, Dan Campbell Man, I just
I like him all. I like I like the way
Glenn coaches. I like that demir demeanor on the sideline.

(01:04:44):
That that entire team they remind me of a college team.
They remind me of college national championship team. That's that's
how they they're built.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
They've built that thing in the last four years.

Speaker 7 (01:04:55):
Nice and their first round winning and passing, pretty good
running backs.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Yes, man, good stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:05:06):
You know what he used to do to me all
the time.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
He's gonna keep gentlemen, Welcome to overtime.

Speaker 5 (01:05:13):
We're in overtime. It's either a touchdown or lose. Right.

Speaker 8 (01:05:19):
That one was for Douglas Barflow, just letting you know.

Speaker 14 (01:05:24):
He's been waiting for me to just play that every.

Speaker 8 (01:05:28):
Every day, like, hey, can you hit the hit the referee?

Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
Yeah, gentlemen, welcome to overtime.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
All right.

Speaker 5 (01:05:38):
There was there was another thing we were talking about
this Yeah, yeah, the hit that and.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
That wasn't by the way, it wasn't an errant.

Speaker 5 (01:05:48):
No, No, he was trying he.

Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
Was trying to do it was we all understand that, right,
That's why I wanted to do a pinpoint accuracy. Yeah,
all right, that does it for mixed shots and who
knows what will be talking about next Monday at eleven am,
No Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
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