July 27, 2020 • 17 mins
Larry McCarren sits down with former Packers guards/tackles T.J. Lang and Josh Sitton.
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For more than one years, the Green Bay Packers have
been a benchmark for football excellence. Thousands of players have
helped pave the way, and we're here to tell their stories.
I'm Wayne Larv. This is the Packers Alumni Spotlight prior
(00:28):
to the Redskin Game. Last season, Josh Sutton and t J.
Lang shared the featured alumni spotlight. But that's not all
they share, not by a long shot. Both came from
directional schools, both fourth round picks, both became Pro Bowl guards,
(00:52):
Both have Super Bowl rings. Both played left tackle in
a game Wow, Wolf didn't play great, but we were there.
(01:13):
Both also played eight seasons for the Packers and both
finished their careers with other teams. Sounds like a marriage
needed football heaven. But I think when Josh and I
we first became close was probably more towards my second year.
I think we knew that, you know, we had a
(01:33):
couple of guys leaving then there was going to be
a spot and I wasn't a full time starter yet
and Josh was the guy who, you know, was always
calling me and texting me and saying, you know, get
your stuff together, we're gonna need you to play. And
that for me. I think really kicked off our friendship
because it showed me, like, you know, we're not just
you know, nighttime buddies and rob rob buddies, like you
(01:54):
really care about each other as far as a professional
level as well as personal And I think that's really
where we started to kind of bond a little bit more.
I'd say, you guys were roommates, how deco Josh? A
lot of what would people be surprised to find out?
Abou Listen, there's a few stories that I could tell
(02:19):
and um, we would have to believe too many of them.
A lot of a lot of fun conversations at night,
a lot of good fun card games. And it's funny.
We were such good friends and such weirdos. We didn't
need to be roommates. They said, you can have your
own room after like you know, you're four or something.
We're like, now we're on the room. You know, we
(02:40):
want to room together. So we roomed together, I think
pretty much the whole time we were here. Um, even
though they told us to to not to, but yeah,
we we had some We had some good times for sure, um,
and some stories that I couldn't uh. Yeah, he goes
the same for me to draft. Described t J as
a player of the player always has been. He's he's
(03:03):
on the field, and I love it. So I don't
know if I can use the sword. Sorry, Um, well,
I know you gotta be a little bit of a
jerker if every for such a bas guy, he's always
getting the last playing to the echo of the whistle,
and then something about there's there's not a guy that
I would want to be on the field with when
(03:23):
I'm getting in a fight. Then t J, he's the
first one there to stick up for you, is the
first one to stick up for his quarterback, for every
other guy, his first one down the field to pick
up his running back. Um, he always just battled his
ass off And that was like the definition of t J.
And that's who he was as a player. Kind of
a kind of a badass, hard nosed um battler. Awkward
(03:47):
here and you talk about me like that in front,
can get out of your turn. Described Josh as a player, Um,
I used to be incredibly jealous of his abilities because
I don't think I've ever been around a player in
(04:08):
any position that played as consistent as Josh did in
the run game in the past game and just I
think the one thing that sticks out is how easy
he makes it look. And that was the thing that
I used to get I used to get really jealous
about because he did it with ease, and he did
it with incredible technique and hand placement and pad level,
(04:30):
and he was just you know what it was supposed
to look like. Hey, you know, from the outside looking in,
an observer would look at offensive line play and thinks,
what's fun about that? You take little measured steps, you
stick your head into somebody's chest and you battle and
all that and from the outside looking and it doesn't
(04:50):
look fun. But apparently, obviously you guys found something about
it fun. Josh, what did you find fun about it? Um?
When that clock hit zero, we won the game and
I didn't give up a sack that Sorry, it wasn't
that much fun? That much fun? I mean, yeah, it is.
It's uh. I think it's probably one of the most
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stressful positions. And you know, position you don't get a
lot of praise for and all that, and it's tough.
But the best thing I think was when you were
getting the groove of a game and you had that
feeling like, all right, I cannot be beat. I'm kicking
this dude asked all day. Uh, and it was you know,
it wasn't a rare feeling, but you know, it wasn't
(05:33):
very often that you really felt like that. But when
you had those games and you're kicking dudes butts and
you know, knocking them down, and you know you just
felt like you couldn't be beat, you know, those those
were the games that you really really really enjoyed. Um.
And then coming off the field, you know, after one
of those games, on top of a win, you know,
which we had a lot of wins here at lambeau Field,
(05:54):
those were probably the most fun. G J. Would you
like about it? I think I'm knocking guys around right
about the whistle. I think the one thing that I
enjoyed the most, and it's probably what I missed the
most of the position, is the pressure you get into
a game. I mean it's not fun, you know, bashing
your head sixty plays and running and you know your
back is tight and your knees hurt and your hips hurt.
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But those those emotions and and those you know, a
big two minute drive when you gotta go score touchdown
or a big third down where you gotta go convert.
I think those emotions get so bottled up in you
and and at the time it seems like it's a
lot of pressure and it could be stressful, But you know,
the memories you have now looking back at him, I
think that's the feeling that you're I don't think we're
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ever going to be able to recreate outside of a
football field. And I think that's the one thing for
me that I probably enjoyed the most and I think
I probably miss the most. And I'll say this too
about the offensive line. It's the only position that you
have that many guys working together, you know, from the
left tackle to the right tackle. Like we all had
to be working together, right you know. At the receiver position,
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you know, everybody's gonna be on the same page, but
you know your ex receivers running this route and this
for you know, it's kind of separated quarterbacks doing this thing.
We're a line that literally like we all have to
be on the same page and that communication part, and
we got so good and uh you know that stretched
from you know, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, whatever those years. We
had a really good line. We were so good at
(07:21):
that communication and the verbal and and nonverbal um and
I think that was really fun, like just read each
other and I'll be on the same page and we
would we would just spit things out last second and
pull it off, and it was that was fun. To
add on to that, I think it was the trust,
you know, that we had. I think that fourteen fifteen
(07:43):
where it was the two of us Bolaga backtr Corey
was the young guy coming in. I think the trust
was just I think it's something really rare, you know,
unless you have a truly veteran line that's been together
a long time in the NFL. But we used to
have games where you know, we'd be looking at each
other giving hand signals because it was good in here
(08:03):
and you know exactly that hey Brian, and I know
Dave and Josh are doing the same exact thing, you know.
And I think when you take that pressure off now
knowing that you're all on the same page no matter
what I mean, it was just it was so much
fun that you don't have to think about anything and
just go block your guy and you know, you know,
the rest of the guys in your line are doing
(08:24):
their job. I think that was a special family. Of course,
you won it all after the two thousand time season
in Super Bowl forty five. But when I hear you
guys talk, just kind of remind me. I don't think
you guys think that was your best team. Would that
be accurate? Okay, well what was the best? Eleven and
(08:49):
then ten? Yeah, and eleven was a weird year. I mean,
we're just rolling, you know, I mean it was. That
was a weird year. But I think fourteen was the
first time since the two thousand and tend season at
least where I think everybody in the building knew that
we had something special. Um we had a lot of
(09:10):
blowout wins and we had a lot of really convincing
wins over a lot of really good football teams that
I think built our confidence to say we got the
squad to do it, you know. I mean, I think
the biggest edition that year was probably Julius Peppers. On
the defense side. That was the first year that I
was like, all, our defense is really really good this year,
you know. Um, so from the top down every single level,
(09:32):
we had high level players and it was a really
good team. It was it was tough to lose that
NFC championship knowing that I feel like we were by
far the best team in the league day Despite that
heartbreaking room Seattle, Josh and TJ were big time contributors
on Packer teamship won five division titles and made the playoffs.
(09:56):
I'll franchise record eight straight seasons. Is there a key
element you've probably just mentioned to talking about their offensive Black?
Is there a key element team wide that enabled you
guys to win that consistently because it's hard to win
all the time. Aaron Rodgers Hall of Fame quarterback. I mean,
(10:22):
it's pretty much all you need in this league. Veteran team.
I think, um I always told the team and I
think everybody there stood, and I think the guys that
are still playing now, as long as you have Aaron
Rounders your quarterback, you've got a really good chance to
when every single game to take the field. I mean,
he's just that type of player and security Black. Yeah,
it's just for us. I know, you know, we used
(10:45):
to get frustrated sometimes with him, but he's made us
look better way more times and he's made us not
look good. And it's just kind of when he's rolling, man,
it's just kind of a blocker guy and get out
of the way man let him do his same, No question.
The quarterback is the headline act. But there's also a
lot to be said for the culture just organized organ
(11:12):
of the least. Oh my god, I can yeah, from
the organization top down, it's all about winning here, like
it's about winning championships. And you know, I've been other
places and it's not necessarily like that everywhere else, you know, so, um,
you understand that coming in right away, like it's all
about winning. It's all about winning championships, like you know,
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vision title, Like you know you're throwing those hats in
the trash. We're trying to win championships. You know. They
let you know that as soon as you come in
as a as a rookie, and I think that, uh,
everyone speaks that same message. So expectations are very very
clear from a minute you walk in the door. T
(11:57):
J and Josh walked in the door as four Brown
draft picks and walked out as Pro Bowl players and
Super Bowl champions. Great achievements, to be sure, but surprisingly enough,
not the ones. They're prouder stuff. You want me to
go first, you think, Um, for me, the most proud
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I think I've ever been. You know, uh in my
career was two thousand and sixteen postseason when when I
got to wear the captain patch on my chest. I
can't remember the last time we had a lineman that
got to do that in the playoffs and just to
have that was a tough year for me, and it
was a contract year. I broke my foot, I missed
three games. I come back, you know, finish out the season,
(12:45):
kind of grinded out and have um, you know, my
teammates vote vote me. Is one of the two offensive
captains that year with Aaron Rodgers was I remember. I
was more proud of that then, and that was the
same year I made my first Pro Bowl. I was
more proud of of wearing that that patch and I
was making the Pro Bowl just because, um, you just
get the satisfaction of the gratification from your teammates to
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kind of just validate all your beliefs of I'm an
older guy. I think I'm a leader, but you never
really know until you get a moment like that. That
was really special, Josh, how about you. I was gonna
say the Super Bowl, but honestly, I think the the
best moment, the best game that I remember was the
most proud that I was of us as a team
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was the NFC Championship game UM in Chicago. Like winning
the super Bowl was amazing, but the feeling of knowing
you're going to the Super Bowl was I mean, it
felt better to me than winning the Super Bowl. I
don't know why. It's it's a it's a weird thing,
but I was so proud in that moment, like noing knowing.
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I dreamt about this my entire life, like since I
was since I remember watching football with my grandfather, you know,
five years old, were watching the Saints, all my family
Saints fans, and and just to have that dream come
true is so incredible and I'm so proud to be
able to to be able to have that now, especially
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with my my children. I can pass that, you know,
these memories down to my children and they can know that, Hey,
with hard work and dedication and when you put your
mind to something, you can achieve what you want and
dreams can come true and you can do whatever you want.
So that game for me is is is probably the
most proud moment. Of course. Josh finished his career with
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the Bears and Dolphins, while t J wound his up
in Detroit. Normally that's the part that gets ignored in
a story like this, but ironically enough, it may be
the part that shows the most about the Green Bay Package.
My eight years here just felt you have so much
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invested in, so many emotions and so much sweat equity.
We used to call it invested in this building there,
And yeah, I mean it's you come in as a
twenty one year old kid and you leave when you're
thirty one or thirty, you know, whatever it was, And um,
it just felt like home, you know. And I think
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it never really felt business e here, you know, as
to where it's you kind of getting numb after a
while of seeing guys come and go and come and
go and come and go. But here it was just
like it just felt like everybody in that locker room
was just a big family. And when you leave, it's
you can't replace it, you know. And it's hard because
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you try to simulate the same things when you go
to other places and you try to fast track these
relationships and these friendships with your new teammates to try
to just get those emotions back and get that feeling
back that you've had with you know, the guys you
played with for so long, but you can't do it.
And I think that's really when for me, it was
the first time where when I left, it was the
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first time where I really felt like it was a job.
It's definitely extremely different in other places. Um, like I
said before, you know, from the top down, it's about
winning here. And you see it with the facilities and
everything they put into the football operations is all about
winning here. And you know, let's make the cafeteria the
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nicest cafeteria, Let's make the locker room the nicest locker
room in the NFL. Let's do everything we possibly can
to make this team the best team that we can
that that we can have. And you know, wasn't wasn't
like that at other places, and you saw that right away.
And speaking about the relationships, you know, you build those
relationships over time and you go in and you try
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to manufacture that when you go to a new place,
and like he said, like it's very difficult and almost
kind of it's not authentic. Yeah, almost, I almost feel
like I kind of like gave that part of my
life up with other people at other places. I was like,
I know, I'm not gonna be here for a while yeah,
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you know, like I'm like, I know, I don't want
to go to dinner with you guys. I'm sorry, you know,
like it's hard to build those relationships when you're uh
in a place just for you know, a year or
two or whatever. And I have great friends from those
places as well, but uh, it's it's hard to build
that camaraderie and manufacturer like you said, and uh, you
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know that's something that that will be you know, special
to me forever that we have here
For more than one years, the Green Bay Packers have
been a benchmark for football excellence. Thousands of players have
helped pave the way, and we're here to tell their stories.
I'm Wayne Larv. This is the Packers Alumni Spotlight prior
(00:28):
to the Redskin Game. Last season, Josh Sutton and t J.
Lang shared the featured alumni spotlight. But that's not all
they share, not by a long shot. Both came from
directional schools, both fourth round picks, both became Pro Bowl guards,
(00:52):
Both have Super Bowl rings. Both played left tackle in
a game Wow, Wolf didn't play great, but we were there.
(01:13):
Both also played eight seasons for the Packers and both
finished their careers with other teams. Sounds like a marriage
needed football heaven. But I think when Josh and I
we first became close was probably more towards my second year.
I think we knew that, you know, we had a
(01:33):
couple of guys leaving then there was going to be
a spot and I wasn't a full time starter yet
and Josh was the guy who, you know, was always
calling me and texting me and saying, you know, get
your stuff together, we're gonna need you to play. And
that for me. I think really kicked off our friendship
because it showed me, like, you know, we're not just
you know, nighttime buddies and rob rob buddies, like you
(01:54):
really care about each other as far as a professional
level as well as personal And I think that's really
where we started to kind of bond a little bit more.
I'd say, you guys were roommates, how deco Josh? A
lot of what would people be surprised to find out?
Abou Listen, there's a few stories that I could tell
(02:19):
and um, we would have to believe too many of them.
A lot of a lot of fun conversations at night,
a lot of good fun card games. And it's funny.
We were such good friends and such weirdos. We didn't
need to be roommates. They said, you can have your
own room after like you know, you're four or something.
We're like, now we're on the room. You know, we
(02:40):
want to room together. So we roomed together, I think
pretty much the whole time we were here. Um, even
though they told us to to not to, but yeah,
we we had some We had some good times for sure, um,
and some stories that I couldn't uh. Yeah, he goes
the same for me to draft. Described t J as
a player of the player always has been. He's he's
(03:03):
on the field, and I love it. So I don't
know if I can use the sword. Sorry, Um, well,
I know you gotta be a little bit of a
jerker if every for such a bas guy, he's always
getting the last playing to the echo of the whistle,
and then something about there's there's not a guy that
I would want to be on the field with when
(03:23):
I'm getting in a fight. Then t J, he's the
first one there to stick up for you, is the
first one to stick up for his quarterback, for every
other guy, his first one down the field to pick
up his running back. Um, he always just battled his
ass off And that was like the definition of t J.
And that's who he was as a player. Kind of
a kind of a badass, hard nosed um battler. Awkward
(03:47):
here and you talk about me like that in front,
can get out of your turn. Described Josh as a player, Um,
I used to be incredibly jealous of his abilities because
I don't think I've ever been around a player in
(04:08):
any position that played as consistent as Josh did in
the run game in the past game and just I
think the one thing that sticks out is how easy
he makes it look. And that was the thing that
I used to get I used to get really jealous
about because he did it with ease, and he did
it with incredible technique and hand placement and pad level,
(04:30):
and he was just you know what it was supposed
to look like. Hey, you know, from the outside looking in,
an observer would look at offensive line play and thinks,
what's fun about that? You take little measured steps, you
stick your head into somebody's chest and you battle and
all that and from the outside looking and it doesn't
(04:50):
look fun. But apparently, obviously you guys found something about
it fun. Josh, what did you find fun about it? Um?
When that clock hit zero, we won the game and
I didn't give up a sack that Sorry, it wasn't
that much fun? That much fun? I mean, yeah, it is.
It's uh. I think it's probably one of the most
(05:12):
stressful positions. And you know, position you don't get a
lot of praise for and all that, and it's tough.
But the best thing I think was when you were
getting the groove of a game and you had that
feeling like, all right, I cannot be beat. I'm kicking
this dude asked all day. Uh, and it was you know,
it wasn't a rare feeling, but you know, it wasn't
(05:33):
very often that you really felt like that. But when
you had those games and you're kicking dudes butts and
you know, knocking them down, and you know you just
felt like you couldn't be beat, you know, those those
were the games that you really really really enjoyed. Um.
And then coming off the field, you know, after one
of those games, on top of a win, you know,
which we had a lot of wins here at lambeau Field,
(05:54):
those were probably the most fun. G J. Would you
like about it? I think I'm knocking guys around right
about the whistle. I think the one thing that I
enjoyed the most, and it's probably what I missed the
most of the position, is the pressure you get into
a game. I mean it's not fun, you know, bashing
your head sixty plays and running and you know your
back is tight and your knees hurt and your hips hurt.
(06:15):
But those those emotions and and those you know, a
big two minute drive when you gotta go score touchdown
or a big third down where you gotta go convert.
I think those emotions get so bottled up in you
and and at the time it seems like it's a
lot of pressure and it could be stressful, But you know,
the memories you have now looking back at him, I
think that's the feeling that you're I don't think we're
(06:35):
ever going to be able to recreate outside of a
football field. And I think that's the one thing for
me that I probably enjoyed the most and I think
I probably miss the most. And I'll say this too
about the offensive line. It's the only position that you
have that many guys working together, you know, from the
left tackle to the right tackle. Like we all had
to be working together, right you know. At the receiver position,
(06:58):
you know, everybody's gonna be on the same page, but
you know your ex receivers running this route and this
for you know, it's kind of separated quarterbacks doing this thing.
We're a line that literally like we all have to
be on the same page and that communication part, and
we got so good and uh you know that stretched
from you know, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, whatever those years. We
had a really good line. We were so good at
(07:21):
that communication and the verbal and and nonverbal um and
I think that was really fun, like just read each
other and I'll be on the same page and we
would we would just spit things out last second and
pull it off, and it was that was fun. To
add on to that, I think it was the trust,
you know, that we had. I think that fourteen fifteen
(07:43):
where it was the two of us Bolaga backtr Corey
was the young guy coming in. I think the trust
was just I think it's something really rare, you know,
unless you have a truly veteran line that's been together
a long time in the NFL. But we used to
have games where you know, we'd be looking at each
other giving hand signals because it was good in here
(08:03):
and you know exactly that hey Brian, and I know
Dave and Josh are doing the same exact thing, you know.
And I think when you take that pressure off now
knowing that you're all on the same page no matter
what I mean, it was just it was so much
fun that you don't have to think about anything and
just go block your guy and you know, you know,
the rest of the guys in your line are doing
(08:24):
their job. I think that was a special family. Of course,
you won it all after the two thousand time season
in Super Bowl forty five. But when I hear you
guys talk, just kind of remind me. I don't think
you guys think that was your best team. Would that
be accurate? Okay, well what was the best? Eleven and
(08:49):
then ten? Yeah, and eleven was a weird year. I mean,
we're just rolling, you know, I mean it was. That
was a weird year. But I think fourteen was the
first time since the two thousand and tend season at
least where I think everybody in the building knew that
we had something special. Um we had a lot of
(09:10):
blowout wins and we had a lot of really convincing
wins over a lot of really good football teams that
I think built our confidence to say we got the
squad to do it, you know. I mean, I think
the biggest edition that year was probably Julius Peppers. On
the defense side. That was the first year that I
was like, all, our defense is really really good this year,
you know. Um, so from the top down every single level,
(09:32):
we had high level players and it was a really
good team. It was it was tough to lose that
NFC championship knowing that I feel like we were by
far the best team in the league day Despite that
heartbreaking room Seattle, Josh and TJ were big time contributors
on Packer teamship won five division titles and made the playoffs.
(09:56):
I'll franchise record eight straight seasons. Is there a key
element you've probably just mentioned to talking about their offensive Black?
Is there a key element team wide that enabled you
guys to win that consistently because it's hard to win
all the time. Aaron Rodgers Hall of Fame quarterback. I mean,
(10:22):
it's pretty much all you need in this league. Veteran team.
I think, um I always told the team and I
think everybody there stood, and I think the guys that
are still playing now, as long as you have Aaron
Rounders your quarterback, you've got a really good chance to
when every single game to take the field. I mean,
he's just that type of player and security Black. Yeah,
it's just for us. I know, you know, we used
(10:45):
to get frustrated sometimes with him, but he's made us
look better way more times and he's made us not
look good. And it's just kind of when he's rolling, man,
it's just kind of a blocker guy and get out
of the way man let him do his same, No question.
The quarterback is the headline act. But there's also a
lot to be said for the culture just organized organ
(11:12):
of the least. Oh my god, I can yeah, from
the organization top down, it's all about winning here, like
it's about winning championships. And you know, I've been other
places and it's not necessarily like that everywhere else, you know, so, um,
you understand that coming in right away, like it's all
about winning. It's all about winning championships, like you know,
(11:35):
vision title, Like you know you're throwing those hats in
the trash. We're trying to win championships. You know. They
let you know that as soon as you come in
as a as a rookie, and I think that, uh,
everyone speaks that same message. So expectations are very very
clear from a minute you walk in the door. T
(11:57):
J and Josh walked in the door as four Brown
draft picks and walked out as Pro Bowl players and
Super Bowl champions. Great achievements, to be sure, but surprisingly enough,
not the ones. They're prouder stuff. You want me to
go first, you think, Um, for me, the most proud
(12:23):
I think I've ever been. You know, uh in my
career was two thousand and sixteen postseason when when I
got to wear the captain patch on my chest. I
can't remember the last time we had a lineman that
got to do that in the playoffs and just to
have that was a tough year for me, and it
was a contract year. I broke my foot, I missed
three games. I come back, you know, finish out the season,
(12:45):
kind of grinded out and have um, you know, my
teammates vote vote me. Is one of the two offensive
captains that year with Aaron Rodgers was I remember. I
was more proud of that then, and that was the
same year I made my first Pro Bowl. I was
more proud of of wearing that that patch and I
was making the Pro Bowl just because, um, you just
get the satisfaction of the gratification from your teammates to
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kind of just validate all your beliefs of I'm an
older guy. I think I'm a leader, but you never
really know until you get a moment like that. That
was really special, Josh, how about you. I was gonna
say the Super Bowl, but honestly, I think the the
best moment, the best game that I remember was the
most proud that I was of us as a team
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was the NFC Championship game UM in Chicago. Like winning
the super Bowl was amazing, but the feeling of knowing
you're going to the Super Bowl was I mean, it
felt better to me than winning the Super Bowl. I
don't know why. It's it's a it's a weird thing,
but I was so proud in that moment, like noing knowing.
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I dreamt about this my entire life, like since I
was since I remember watching football with my grandfather, you know,
five years old, were watching the Saints, all my family
Saints fans, and and just to have that dream come
true is so incredible and I'm so proud to be
able to to be able to have that now, especially
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with my my children. I can pass that, you know,
these memories down to my children and they can know that, Hey,
with hard work and dedication and when you put your
mind to something, you can achieve what you want and
dreams can come true and you can do whatever you want.
So that game for me is is is probably the
most proud moment. Of course. Josh finished his career with
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the Bears and Dolphins, while t J wound his up
in Detroit. Normally that's the part that gets ignored in
a story like this, but ironically enough, it may be
the part that shows the most about the Green Bay Package.
My eight years here just felt you have so much
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invested in, so many emotions and so much sweat equity.
We used to call it invested in this building there,
And yeah, I mean it's you come in as a
twenty one year old kid and you leave when you're
thirty one or thirty, you know, whatever it was, And um,
it just felt like home, you know. And I think
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it never really felt business e here, you know, as
to where it's you kind of getting numb after a
while of seeing guys come and go and come and
go and come and go. But here it was just
like it just felt like everybody in that locker room
was just a big family. And when you leave, it's
you can't replace it, you know. And it's hard because
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you try to simulate the same things when you go
to other places and you try to fast track these
relationships and these friendships with your new teammates to try
to just get those emotions back and get that feeling
back that you've had with you know, the guys you
played with for so long, but you can't do it.
And I think that's really when for me, it was
the first time where when I left, it was the
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first time where I really felt like it was a job.
It's definitely extremely different in other places. Um, like I
said before, you know, from the top down, it's about
winning here. And you see it with the facilities and
everything they put into the football operations is all about
winning here. And you know, let's make the cafeteria the
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nicest cafeteria, Let's make the locker room the nicest locker
room in the NFL. Let's do everything we possibly can
to make this team the best team that we can
that that we can have. And you know, wasn't wasn't
like that at other places, and you saw that right away.
And speaking about the relationships, you know, you build those
relationships over time and you go in and you try
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to manufacture that when you go to a new place,
and like he said, like it's very difficult and almost
kind of it's not authentic. Yeah, almost, I almost feel
like I kind of like gave that part of my
life up with other people at other places. I was like,
I know, I'm not gonna be here for a while yeah,
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you know, like I'm like, I know, I don't want
to go to dinner with you guys. I'm sorry, you know,
like it's hard to build those relationships when you're uh
in a place just for you know, a year or
two or whatever. And I have great friends from those
places as well, but uh, it's it's hard to build
that camaraderie and manufacturer like you said, and uh, you
(17:26):
know that's something that that will be you know, special
to me forever that we have here
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