Patriots Playbook 7/26: Day 1 Training Camp Reaction

Tune-in as John Rooke is joined by broadcasting students from Dean College as they react to Day 1 of Patriots Training Camp and offer their outlook on the 2023 New England Patriots season.

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Speaker 5 (00:46):
Today.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
It is day one of training camp here at Jiludd
Stadium in Foxborough. Welcome inside the Patriots Playbook. This is
our July monthly edition, off season edition of the podcast.
If you're joining us for the first time, just sampling
it because you happen to be stumbled here on the
website trying to find out information on day one of
training camp. We are here at least, this particular program

(01:09):
is here monthly during the offseason, and then we go
weekly during the regular season on Thursdays, and that will
start in about five weeks, right, Matt, I think, yeah,
about five weeks from now we'll get that, we'll get
the regular season. I know, we have one more off
season show to get to, which we will do on
the last day of August, right as preseason has ended up,

(01:30):
and they'll be right about the time that the Patriots
will be wrapping up the final fifty three man roster.
There is a long way to go between now and then.
What's today today is July the what twenty seventh, twenty sixth, right, Okay,
got it? I you know, I'm lucky if I know
my name on it, old guy. Yeah, I know, thank you,
the old guy. So so that's what thirty three days

(01:54):
or so away. There is so much to do between
now and then, as I'm sure sure most everybody realizes,
and trying to form this football team. And today tomorrow, Friday,
the first three days of training camp here. You probably heard,
if you were with us at all during the training

(02:15):
camp coverage earlier this morning here on Patriots dot Com Radio,
that really the first three days are going to be
like glorified OTAs glorified you know, walkthroughs, because what they'll
be doing, and what they are doing is sort of
recertifying what they learned from the playbook during the spring.

(02:40):
They will get into meaningful competition next week where the
guys will be putting on pads or at least shells
to start. I think they're only allowed one or two,
I think two full pad practices per week, so they
probably won't even start ramping that up until either late
next week, right, Matt, Yeah, sounds about right, doesn't it.

(03:00):
Although my hip pads on Monday, damn. All right, Well
that's good, okay, all right, So that's actually a good sign.
And we will get a chance then to see guys
competing for jobs, which is I know, that's what everybody
wants to know. Who's playing well, who's not playing well,
who's living up to their capabilities, who's disappointing thus far,

(03:22):
who we expect to come into the fold, who is
gonna fall short? Do we want to go out and
you know, try to you know, scan the waiver wire
for other guys who can't make other teams and pick
them up. If we think they can fit a particular
need or roll here in New England. Okay, all of
that's going to take part, and we'll start in earnest
really on Monday. These first three days Okay, it's a

(03:44):
continuation really of what was learned and the things that
they walked through during OTAs and the spring you know,
mandatory practices. So that's kind of where we are. These
guys are going through the paces. But that doesn't mean
that we don't have things to talk about today. And
there are some key questions that we're going to talk
about today that I feel like, Look, if you're from

(04:05):
around these areas, this area, from New England, if you're
from you know, Boston, Providence, wherever, you know, somewhere in
this region, then you're probably paying attention on television or
radio or even on the you know, in their news
sites as well as to what really the key items
to call to talk about are. We will approach approach
some of those topics here today because largely I think

(04:28):
a couple of them are worth talking about, and then
I think a couple of them are just damn silly.
They're just it's ridiculous to even think of. And I'll
give you a big one. Okay, the biggest one that
I think that's just a silly, stupid question that most
of the media around here is just all, you know,
a flutter over. Is Bill Belichick really on the hot seat?

(04:50):
I mean really really? Now, I know, Eldred God bless
your son. If you're you know, listening, you know, on
your deliveries in North Carolina. He has never liked to
build the GM. I don't blame him because clearly in
the last few years it just hasn't turned out the
way that anybody would have liked to have had it.

(05:11):
But if you're gonna ask him to do a mea
culpa and say, Okay, my bad, sorry, guys, I really
screwed up on that draft, that's never gonna happen. He
hasn't even done that as well, for you know, the
coaches that were clearly a misfit, you know, within this
organization a year ago. So you're never gonna get that,
nor should he have to do that. I'm firmly in

(05:34):
the corner, firmly in the camp of the man has
enough of a track record where he has earned his
seniority and he has earned his place, and if he
wants to be here. He deserves to be here. Now
that doesn't mean that time and time again, if he
falls short, he deserves to keep the job. Because this
is after all a business, and missed Craft, John of

(05:59):
the Craft. They certainly have reiterated that fact as well.
This is a business. We are in the business of
winning championships. We're in the business of making money. We're
in the business of keeping fans happy and keeping them
coming back to our facility. Why else do we build
the kind of facilities that we have here, you know,
in Foxborough. Why else do we compete? We compete to win.
We got to spend money to win. And yeah, you

(06:20):
can be critical about the Patriots because they're one of
the lowest spending teams in the NFL, you absolutely can.
I'll leave a lot of the spending stuff up to
our good friend Pat's cap on that one, because as
you guys know, you know, Miguel probably is up to
date and right spot on with that stuff as anybody
in the NFL, for any team, He's right on top

(06:41):
of it. So I kind of leave that stuff to him.
We deal more with, you know, the personalities and the
and the you know, the execution of of you know,
the play on the field. It's like the old you
know JK McKay. John McKay, you know, saying when he
was the coach of the Tampa Bay Bucks when the
bucks Worth's expansion team in the NFL back in nineteen seventy,
he said, what did you think? You know, he was

(07:01):
asked by the media, what do you think of your
team's execution on the field? He said, I'd be in
favor of it. You got that, nobody else did. But
nowadays I'd be in favor of it. Okay, you know,
I don't think we're gonna have to go that far
with this team. I really don't. But then again, you know,

(07:23):
if this team eight and nine a year ago, you know,
with a little bit you know of a different look,
certainly coaching wise. You know, guys that you know, you
can certainly argue that maybe they were a little thinner
than they should have been. Wanted to be in several
spots on this team. Okay, it didn't work out, and
I would tell you that well. And this year, on paper,

(07:47):
at least, it looks like the schedule is a little
more difficult than it was last year. I mean, let's
be honest with each other here, all right, So it
looks a little more difficult, but that doesn't matter because
the bottom line is whether or not you win. And
Craft has already stated, you know, his goal is to
get into the postseason and win a game in the
postseason this year, and I would concur as we open

(08:08):
up training camp and start the twenty twenty three season,
hopefully it will continue, you know, in the postseason in
twenty twenty four, they have one regular season game and
then you'll get into the postseason thereafter. But for twenty
twenty three and twenty four, anything short of New England
making the postseason is going to be called a failure.

(08:30):
It just will. I could see a scenario where this
team could go ten and seven, and if they lose
on a tiebreaker to get into the postseason, all right,
at least they're back on the plus side of five hundred.
I could see that. But I'll still be personally disappointed.
I think most fans would be disappointed. We don't know
how that part of it's going to play out, because

(08:52):
that depends on so many other factors, largely the other
teams in the AFC East and everybody else on New
England schedule. That's how you determine that. I could see that.
I don't think that will happen. The AFC East, as
everybody knows, is sticked, okay, stacked, strongest division in pro football.

(09:12):
I don't think there's much doubt about it right now.
I could see a scenario with three of the four
teams in the postseason. Could definitely see that. I don't
know with tie breakers and such, it would even be
figuratively statistically possible if all four teams could get in.

(09:33):
Maybe we'll let some of our experts work on that
here during the show and see if that's even possible.
But I would tell you that I think there's a
great chance that as long as you finish in third
in the AFC East, you're probably gonna be in the
postseason dance somewhere. Probably. But then again, if you're let's
say a nine to eight team or even a ten
and seven team, and you're just squeezing into the postseason,

(09:55):
if you're not healthy enough to play and compete in
the postseason, what good are you really doing? So my
major concern here, number one is we open up training camp,
is what the depth gonna be like on this team
throughout the course of the year. I want to see
the guys who we can plug and play. I want

(10:17):
to see the guys who when someone goes down, who
steps in for the whole next man up scenario. I
want to know who the next men are up and
are they capable of doing it. This is where you
really find whether or not the Patriots coaching staff and
scouting staff have done their jobs. Say whatever you want

(10:37):
about the draft picks or you know in the last
few years. Clearly right now we'd have to say they
are trending downward. They haven't done a very good job.
We know this. That is certainly a valuable criticism. Okay,
cat argue really against that point, because the proof is
in the talent on the field. But this past couple
of years. Last year was better than we thought, even

(10:58):
though there were a bunch of no names that people
laughed at, literally laughed at. This year is different. Christian Gonzales.
Most everybody feels like the Patriots stole in the first round, stole.
We're gonna find out pretty quick because I fully expect
Christian Gonzales to win a starting corner job. I do

(11:20):
I expect it. I think we all feel like that
and that would be considered I think an upset certainly
a disappointment if he does not, because if he doesn't, well,
who the hell else is gonna I am a little surprised,
although legally speaking, has every right to be here. Jack
Jones is in the mix after his you know, off
season difficulties that he's had, you know, and we talked

(11:41):
about that last month after it happened, So I'm not
gonna get into the whole you know, Well, why did
Jack do what he did? Well, no, that's done. He's
here to practice, he's here to play. Bill obviously did
a good job. I thought it is opening press conference
yesterday to sort of diffuse that I can't speak about
it because it's a legal matter. That's an he took
the easy out, and I don't blame him because anything

(12:03):
you do is speculation and it could be wrong. So
we're not gonna speculate. The fact of the matter is
that he's gonna be in court. Jack will be his
next hearing, I believe, August nineteenth. Yeah, August nineteenth, Okay,
and we'll just wait and see what the court say,
what the law says, what does attorneys say, if they're

(12:23):
even gonna you know, be prosecuting. We don't know right now.
He's a member of the football team, and he's on
the team and he's practicing, and I fully expect him
to compete for a corner slot.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
I do.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Now, we still have the NFL to decide whether another
there's any suspension or anything warranted in that particular realm. Okay,
that's fine, but well we'll just we'll tackle that when
we get to it. So you know, I've started defense,
even though I told some guys on a main radio

(12:54):
station this morning that you know, the three areas that
I'm going to be looking at is practices, underwear on
the offensive side of the ball. You know, I want
to see if Trent Brown remembers how to block somebody.
I want to see, you know, who emerges at wide
receiver because I know that there are a lot of

(13:15):
disappointed people, and I'll throw my hand in the mix.
I'm disappointed they didn't get DeAndre Hopkins. I don't know
if he would be a quote unquote cultural fit, but
I'm still disappointed because I don't think he can have
enough toys. You know, when I was a kid, I
didn't have enough toys in my toy chest never did.
Maybe stronger, maybe tougher, Okay, but he who has the

(13:38):
most toys at the end wins. And that speaks directly
to the depth. And so that's what I'm really clued
in on. I want to see how this team begins
to build depth. Trent starts on the offensive line. We
need to make sure mac Jones has his backside protected.

(13:58):
I want to see, you know, which receivers emerge. You know,
can Taekwon Thornton actually live up to some of the
hype from a year ago because he was a speedster
coming out of Baylor and then all of a sudden,
bang he gets hurt. You know, That's that's a big
spot for me. What do they do about running back
to the depth? Do they have enough running back the depth?
I know Time Montgomery started out today, you know, he

(14:20):
spent last year on injured reserve. Thy Montgomery started out
today working out with the wide receivers, and I thought
he'd be a prime candidate to be, you know, the
third down back. We'll see Pierre Strong He'll also be
a candidate for third down back. So there are a
lot of things that need to play out. I think
that there are going to be some things over these

(14:45):
first three days that will cause us to be curious.
Didn't really see a lot today myself, Okay, didn't really
see a lot today other than I noticed Thime Montgomery
was actually, you know, working out with the white with
the white outs today. Other than that, I didn't see
a whole lot different than I thought was out of
place or a little bit unusual or it caused me
to go hmm. So again, this is more of a

(15:10):
continuation of what happened to the OTAs. So what we're
gonna do here on the show, and I want you
to know the phone lines are open and available to
you because I know you have questions, and we have
our own panel of experts here who have studied very
hard over the last couple of days, especially on this
team that we're going to share. Let you share their
your opinions with them, and their opinions with you. So

(15:31):
I want this really to be interactive today. Eight five
five PATS five hundred is the toll free telephone number again,
toll free, pick it up. It's on us eight five
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the old fashioned way, email, web radio at Patriots dot
com okay, web radio at Patriots dot com. You want

(15:53):
to hit me up on Twitter, you can It's at
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you want to post it on my Facebook page, we'll
get to it. John dot rook r Okae on Facebook.
That's where you can find me on Facebook. So those
are the ways that you can converse with the show.
Those of you who have been a part of the
show for the last seven or eight years. In July,

(16:14):
know that at this time of year, I also am
conducting which coincides with the start of Patriot Training Camp.
I also conduct a summer sports broadcasting you know camp,
if you will. For lack of a better phrase, it
sounds like and everybody's coming to camp with their backpacks
and bringing their sack launches, and not quite like that,
because I actually I put these I put these young

(16:34):
people to work. These are all aspiring sports broadcasters. They're
either juniors or seniors in high school one or the other.
So they're all getting ready to embark upon their own careers.
And yeah, when I tell you there are sports nuts,
there are sports fanatics. I ain't lying.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
Ain't lying.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
You're gonna meet three of them. Now we've got another
four who are waiting on Team two who will join
us an hour number two of the program today. But
you know, first things first, I want to make sure
that I introduce the guys to you today because we
have some questions that we're actually going to get to
and these guys have been doing their their their study
and like them, I want you to contribute your thoughts

(17:15):
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(17:37):
Patriots Playbook preseason Camp Day number one. All right, I'm
going to introduce to you Etelina Auben. She is a
junior from Win Soccer or you live outside of Win Soccer.
You live? Oh, so you are from Rnthom You just
go to school one socer, yeah, Nount Saint Cherile, okay,
all right, and you're an athlete, right, yes, Okay, what

(17:57):
do you play?

Speaker 6 (17:58):
Well, I dance for my school team and I'm also
on the basketball team.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Shoot hoop too, right yep? Multi dimensional? Oh yeah, please
tell me, okay, please tell me why in particular you
want to be a sports broadcaster.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
So basically, my dad brought me into it.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Man, she just it took her all of fifteen seconds.
She just ran you right under the bus.

Speaker 7 (18:20):
Good.

Speaker 6 (18:20):
He put me into it, and he was we were
looking at colleges and he kind of just got me
into it. And I was like, you know what, I
like sports, and I was like, I like talking to people.
I like getting out there and getting my thoughts out.
So I was like, you know, maybe this would be
a great career idea for me. So I looked for
the camp and I found it, and so far I'm
enjoying it very well.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Okay, I appreciate that, and thank you for your time
and your effort this week. It's been good thus far.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Nathan Courier. I know you like to go by Nate,
but Nathan, you're from New.

Speaker 8 (18:49):
Hampshire, right, conquered to be exactly.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Conquered, all right, and you're a hockey you know, Krishna right, yep?

Speaker 8 (18:55):
Hockey is the main sport for me. I do.

Speaker 9 (18:59):
I'm involved with lacrosse, baseball, softball, and might start getting
into basketball. But hockey is the main sport that.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I didn't hear football there anywhere? Did you guys hear football?

Speaker 8 (19:13):
I do not do any broadcasting for football.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
But you're starting today.

Speaker 9 (19:18):
Yes, I am starting today. I've been starting this week actually, okay,
all right.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
So that's good to know. All right, So we don't
have any dummies.

Speaker 8 (19:24):
Here, not at all? Okay, football fan, I never I
like it.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Never announced got another out of stater with us today,
Mario Bettingfield. Mario, I'm sorry to say this. Gang. He's
a Tennessee Titan.

Speaker 10 (19:38):
Mm yeah, twenty eighteen felt good, but hey, the franchise.
I was just looking up for the Titans. But the
Patriots got some good, some special going on here too.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
You live in Nashville then, right, yes, okay, all right? Cool?
And you are a junior or senior? Al right, so
you're considering colleges, right?

Speaker 10 (19:57):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (19:58):
What what sports do you? Really?

Speaker 7 (20:00):
What?

Speaker 2 (20:00):
What floats your boat? Mario?

Speaker 10 (20:02):
About everything? Honestly? But if I had to choose, want
to be football. My primary love since I was a kid.
Used to go to Tennessee State University games with the
Tigers or Titans games. Huge Saints fan as well, and
just been reading about football history for forever.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Are you big into the Titans?

Speaker 10 (20:22):
I it's a complicated relationship, but I try to stay
on the stafe side though.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Okay, that's fair. Well, you know you're your head coach
is actually a joint of the Patriots Hall of Fame
this year, right, Yeah, like Rabel, how do you feel
about that?

Speaker 10 (20:38):
Oh? Rabel, he's had a he's had he had an
amazing career with the Patriots. Honestly, he has more touchdowns
than the whole receiving core for the Titans of twenty two. Yep, right,
So I mean, Rabel, he cretriut a lot to that
defense with Tylaw and Teddy Bruski.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Willie McGinnis back in the day, probably before you were born,
right early two thousands, when we were born. You were
born five. Let's see, that's what I mean.

Speaker 10 (21:09):
But let me say my knowledge is older than that.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
I listen, and you have you have actually shown that
off this week. I mean, guys, on my wrong first
day of Classic him and he blew us all away.

Speaker 8 (21:19):
Oh my facts Oh my gosh.

Speaker 6 (21:21):
You can ask him anything and he knows it.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
That's what I love about it.

Speaker 9 (21:25):
We were sitting at lunch yesterday and I think we
asked him the World Series, the World Series of nineteen
eighty two, and he he knew exactly who it was.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Is your memory encyclopedic?

Speaker 10 (21:35):
My memory is a cyclopede. I won't say, is Bob
Costs is by my own team?

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Nice?

Speaker 8 (21:40):
I think it's in there. It's nice. It's deep in there.

Speaker 9 (21:43):
But he knows his sports facts, so so any fans
of any sport, you can pretty much ask him a
lot of common questions and he's got something there.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
All right, let's write down the name Mario bedding Field, right, Yeah,
I can remember. I want to remember, all right. I
like that. We're gonna put you on the We'll put
you on the other spot here, all right. We have questions.
We have questions that we're going to ask here as
a show, and our first team are opening hour. These
guys are going to attack these questions amongst the other items.
Our our number two team that will be on will

(22:11):
also consider the same questions. So this will give you
plenty of time wherever you're listening to consider them for
yourselves and join the conversation. I want you to engage
our young people because they work really really hard and
trying to formulate their own opinions and research why they
feel the way that they do in these particular issues
that we're going to be talking about. Because quite frankly,

(22:33):
I kind of took a look at what our own
media is talking about, what the NFL has thought about, Like,
if you're, you know, a frequenter of NFL dot com,
what are they saying about New England on the national websites,
on the football websites, and what are our issues? And
I've already talked about one, so I'm going to start
with that one that we talked about in the opening
moments of the show here. And the fact is is

(22:55):
that Bill Belichick should not, I repeat, should not be
on the hot seat. I don't think you should be.
I've been as critical of coach, you know, Bill Belichick,
I call him BBI, you know both, you know in
print and you know, certainly here on the show, But
not disrespectfully, I think that coach has certainly earned his stripes.

(23:24):
Anytime you've got you know, eight rings to your credit,
six of them here in New England. You clearly know
what you're doing. Now, does that excuse his performance over
the last two or three years. No, because, after all,
what I said at the top of the program today
is no, this is a business. We understand it is
a business. So because it is a business, you're expected

(23:48):
to perform. Look, if we're players and we fall short
of it, what happens to us? We get cut? Right, Okay,
Now the coach has a contract. I think he's allowed,
you know, a chance to let's just say, rebuild, maybe
a little interregnum, you know, a little you know, a

(24:08):
little down period before things come back up. And I
think most fans expect that this year would be the year,
especially because you know, they have people like you know,
Bill O'Brien to come in and actually run the offense
and coach it up. And they've got a couple of
new receivers, and they got more depth on the offensive line,
and maybe they've got more health at running back, and
maybe they got a couple of other targets at tight end.

(24:29):
You know that they can actually use to their advantage
this year. So it to me, I think the Patriots
are actually going to be a little bit better than
some expect them to be on offense. Coach Belichick is
the one that had to put all this in place.
But if this team falls flat, and I know Vegas,
Las Vegas has the over under, it's seven and a
half for these guys in terms of wins for next year. WHOA, Now,

(24:52):
I think that's low.

Speaker 8 (24:54):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
I think that's an easy, absolute easy over for me,
despite the fact that the AFC East is going to be,
I believe, the toughest division in which to compete in
the NFL this year. So what are you guys thoughts
on Bill Belichick and the fact that our media here
in New England has really put him on the hot seat.

(25:17):
Is it deserving and why? Or is it not deserving
and why? And that's the first question really to what
I think of you guys who are listening today, Whether
you're on the pod, you know you certainly send me
an email or send me a tweet, or if you're
listening live eight five to five PATS five hundred is
the toll free number you want to join the conversation.
Quite frankly, I think it's a bunch of bunk who

(25:38):
wants to start with that one?

Speaker 9 (25:39):
Ill i''m gonna go right on that. I don't think
he's anywhere near that hot seat. I mean, in the
past twenty two years, bringing the Pats to the postseason
nine times, winning six, I mean, the battles have been incredible.

Speaker 8 (25:55):
We can go back to twenty twenty, twenty twenty one season.

Speaker 9 (26:01):
Made an entrance, and then twenty one twenty two.

Speaker 8 (26:08):
Wasn't There.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Wasn't really there for anybody that you're coming out of
the pandemic.

Speaker 9 (26:13):
No, no, that that that you can't really compare that
to anything. Twenty one twenty two, I mean the tenant
seven was was a good season for for a COVID year.

Speaker 8 (26:23):
And then let's just talk about last season. Last season
might have.

Speaker 9 (26:25):
Been we were injury prone, we had some problems. But
I think there there might there might be some complications
between being a GM and the head coach in the
same realm. But I think he shouldn't like like you said,
the media should not be not even be talking about that.
That's not our big concern right now. I think Bill

(26:46):
Belichick has done an amazing job as head coach here.
He's coaches seemed well. I guess, I guess there's been complications.
Like you said, you have to perform. If you're not perform,
you're gonna go. I mean, you have a job to do.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
He really should, I think, hold himself to that standard.
I think there are some here that follow this team
fairly closely. I think there are some here that are like, Okay,
he's just hanging on until he can pass Don Shula's
record and become the winningest coach of all time. I've
always believed from day one. I've always believed that he

(27:24):
wants that record.

Speaker 5 (27:26):
I know he.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Doesn't really show his ego. He's actually, you know, pretty
self serving, but I think, deep down, I think he
realizes the magnitude of what it would mean to pass
shoeless three forty seven. And that's, you know, by the way,
you know what something silly?

Speaker 5 (27:44):
You know?

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Don Shula had that. You guys know of the shoelas steakhouses.
You ever see those? I don't know if you're old
enough to remember, probably, I think, okay, probably not Shula's had.
He had steakhouses all over the country right now. They
were called shoeless three forty seven. I never knew that
the three forty seven stood for how many wins he
had in the NFL. Is that, But that's what the
Steakhousers recalled shoeless three forty seven, Like, why do they
call it three four to seven? It's because that's how

(28:07):
many games you won in the NFL. Stupid. Okay, thank
you very much. I just killed myself. Just rollep roll
the bus back over me. All right, go ahead, I'm sorry, Elliott.
What are your what are your thoughts on whether or
not you think he's on the hot seat.

Speaker 6 (28:22):
I really like some people might not agree with me.
I think he's definitely sitting on a warmer seat this season,
and he's been there since like twenty nineteen, since Bretty departed,
and I think it's it. I don't think it's necessarily
because of how bad or how good.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
The team's done.

Speaker 6 (28:39):
I think it's he lost a lot of great players
and he's trying to build back up the team's chemistry,
chemistry with the rookies and the veterans coming back, So
it's hard going into a season and then divisions and
postseason is really up close too, so it's definitely hard
to bring that chemistry up together.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, got you. You know you are one hundred percent
that his seat is warmer, And I think that's just
that's just a byproduct of not making the playoffs and
not having won a game in four or five years.
So yeah, I mean sure, Patriots fans have a tendency
to get anantsy. Patriots fans have a tendency to think, well,
the playoffs, that's our domain. Fans here are spoiled. You know,

(29:18):
you're fan grown up with them. The Patriots have been
good your entire life, so you've known nothing else, So like,
what the heck is going on here? If they don't
make the postseason, you know, because we're too used to
it around here, and I think you know this is
this is where it requires a little bit of perspective.
When I first started with the team, my first full

(29:39):
time year with the team was not as their stadium voice,
but it was I was I was the sports guy
at the Channel twelve in Providence, and I did Rod
Rust's television show. He was the coach back in nineteen
ninety and the team was one in fifteen.

Speaker 10 (29:56):
It didn't he didn't last that long, by the way.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
No, he was one year at least one years.

Speaker 10 (30:00):
The whole franchise, though.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Well yeah, and it was that way, Yeah, Mario was
that way. They struggled for years. They you know, they
they broke through. They got to the super Bowl. They
got the Super Bowl twenty right, they got steamrolled by
the Fridge and the Bears, which I'm sure you know,
I know you don't remember, but I know you know
about Okay, and then we got back in the super Bowl,
and I say we the collective, we here back into
the Super Bowl in ninety five. Played the Packers lost,

(30:24):
but that was already after Bill Parcells had come in,
and of course then as people know, it blew up then.
But that ultimately led the Patriots to bringing in at
the time it was Pete Carroll and then bringing in
Bill Belichick and building the franchise to the point where
it is today.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 6 (30:41):
Like where he's going right now, how it looks he's
losing a little bit of respect from younger players that
they're coming in. Yeah, and I think he needs to
win the playoffs in this year's division or because he's
just going to keep losing or disrespect from and disrespect
from all these players.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Well, I think I think that's a good point because
to that end, there are those that believe that New
England is no longer a destination for free agents. Yeah,
and so free agents are like, well, I don't necessarily
want to go to New England because I'm not sure
they're going to be able to win. And I think
that was maybe even a consideration for DeAndre Hopkins in

(31:20):
the last couple of weeks when he ultimately decided on
your Titans there Mario so okay, which is okay, that's fine.
But I think there's still enough respect there for for
coach Belichick where you know me Juju Smith Schuster has
said that already. Mike Gisicki has said that some of
these guys that have come in from other organizations this
year their first time Patriots this year, they've kind of

(31:43):
talked a little about that. So all right, but how
much more has to happen for that to completely wear out?
And I think we're at that almost that breaking point.
We're almost there at that breaking point where it's like, okay,
so his street cred just isn't going to be what
it used to be because.

Speaker 6 (32:01):
He definitely go on like four years now of not
great season, right, and.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
So there are people and rightfully so questioning I'm not
saying we can't question it. I questioned it every day
when we do this show. Okay, and and listeners to
this show understand that we talk about that. We you know,
talk about that with you know, other members of the medium,
primarily on the show, other members of other organizations and teams,
so we you know that we bring them into the show,

(32:28):
you know, when the Patriots are preparing for them, you know,
the Jets, the Bills, the Dolphins, and the Division. You know,
during the course of the regular season, we'll have you know,
media people and broadcasters and writers from all the teams
around the NFL as the Patriots prepare to play them.
They'll be a part of this show. And so the
perspective is different. They all feel like, well, we can

(32:49):
knock the Patriots off now, and we've been doing it
for three years. How do the Patriots get back to
that point of almost invincibility? I see where I kind
of did that. Okay, So at any rate, do they
really put Coach Belichick's feet to the fire on this?
Should we put his feet to the fire? Mario? Is
he on the hot seat?

Speaker 10 (33:09):
I think he is on a hot seat, actually, I
think because if you take a look back at two
stretches in franchise history, the only fan the only rains
where Craft was under management with Carol and Carol and Parcels. Right, yep,
So Parcels and Carol both had four to five year stretches, right.

(33:33):
Carol got fired on an eight on a five hundred
season and Parcells got fired on a good season where
he led him to the super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
And yeah, and a lot of that is simply because
you know, he had yeah, and he had a foot
out the door with the whole Jets thing, which is
why so many people are poed at him anyway, and
why he hasn't gotten into the Patriots Hall of Fame
in my own opinion, because there's still too many people,
too many fans who you know, hate him for, you know,
running off for the Jets. And I make this case

(34:02):
every here. I'm on the Patriots Hall of Fame nominating committee,
and I'm proud to be on that because only because
I'm old and been around for a long time. But
that's part of it, and part of the argument is
and a lot of the guys in the media say
that about Bill Parcells. Of that, Look, if we don't
have Bill Parcells, we don't have the Patriots today. We
don't probably have the Hall of Fame, we don't have
a lot today. He started that mindset. He changed the

(34:26):
way the Patriots not only were perceived by others outside
of the organization, but he changed us internally. Did he
leave on unfriendly terms? Yep, he sure did, There's no
doubt about it. But for the Patriots fans that think, oh,
he should never be in because of what he did
to us, get over it. Get over it. If we

(34:48):
don't have coach Parcells at the time, there's a lot
that we don't have right now. I would tell you
that if we don't have Parcels, we might not have
had Belichick because you know, they were attached at the
hip at that time.

Speaker 10 (34:59):
Right, Yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Anyway, all right, I got off on the tangent there,
which is what we do a lot of on this show.
But the fact of the matter is is that I
would tend to agree with you. I understand where you know,
the the sense of urgency really kind of is right.
I mean, there is if the Patriots go seven to ten,
eight and nine this year, all bets are off, all

(35:24):
all bets are off.

Speaker 10 (35:25):
Okay, it's as choice at that point.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Well, sure it is. And I think maybe you know look,
he's nineteen wins away from, you know, surpassing Shula. I
don't think you're gonna get it this year. He could
certainly get it next year. So I think even Bill
knows if that's really important to him. And I believe,
for a long time, my personal belief, I don't have
the inside knowledge of this, My person belief is that, yeah,

(35:49):
that matters, especially when coach Schuli before he passed away,
dissed him and called him Belichiet. You guys probably even
remember that yourselves. So I think that's stuff. I think
that hurt. I think all he wanted was to be
respected by someone like Don Shula, and he didn't do
that because the Patriots obviously had all these controversial things

(36:11):
that they you know, went through, you know, in the
last ten years or so. And I think that hurt.
And so I think he's like, well, you know, the
only way that you can shut people up is by
you know, you know, scoreboard, right, how many did you win?

Speaker 5 (36:25):
Three?

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Forty eight? Scoreboard? Okay, did you win the game?

Speaker 5 (36:28):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Scoreboard doesn't matter how you get there. The only thing
that people remember, they don't remember how you want. They
don't remember that you want and that's what I think
matters to him, And so is he gonna hang around,
you know, a couple more years to get to that level?
And if he doesn't have success this year, are they
gonna allow him to do so? And I thought going
into the year, yeah, But if they don't become competitive

(36:52):
this year, if they don't make the playoffs, I have
to admit for the first time, I'm gonna have to backtrack,
and I'm gonna have to say he's fair game to
look at this. Is he the best option for New England,
for the Patriots organization to win going forward? It's a
fair question. But I don't really degree with I don't
really agree with degrees of warmness on the seat. I

(37:16):
think you're either on the hot seat of you're not,
so it's either blazing on fire or I don't give
a crap one or the other. And you know, and
I understand you both think that he's on to a
varying degree. And at Lina, you said, oh, the seat's
definitely warm.

Speaker 5 (37:30):
While I would.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Agree with that, it's certainly not ice cold. But I
don't think it's even a consideration for the Crafts until
this year is over. And that's really the bottom line
where I'm coming from. I think that if this team
fails to reach the goals that management has set for itself,
that there will be some introspective thinking and maybe even

(37:54):
changing in the off season. I would still be honestly surprised.
I know a couple of our guys and Patriots unfiltered,
and you know, I think a lot of I think
I think you would have to take something extraordinary for
the Patriots to fire him, be extraordinary. If they go
seven to ten, eight and nine, then you know, do
I think he'll resign and quit? You know? Well, then

(38:17):
let's say they go eight to nine again like they
did last year. That's going to leave him eleven wins short.
There's no freaking way that's going to happen. He's not
going to do it. He's going to just, you know,
put his nose to the grainstone and try to you know, yeah,
and work this out. He wants to fix the problem
before he steps out. He has enough personal pride in
what he does, and through my observations of him over

(38:39):
his twenty two plus years now that he's been here,
he this matters. He doesn't want to leave. You know,
the okay, corral with you know, dead bodies lying around.
He wants to make sure that everybody's in good work
in order that this franchise is ready to move forward.
And I think that's where he and the Craft family
are on the same page, and I think the Crafts

(39:00):
will give him every opportunity to fix whatever the issue
might be. This year will be a good first test
because you know, his two buddies and Matt Patrician Joe
Judge were off doing other things. Chris didn't even with
the team this year. Joe has called the assistant head coach.
That was one of the titles that he was bestowed
as the titles came out. You know, actually here online

(39:23):
on the website a couple of days ago in advance
of training camp.

Speaker 5 (39:26):
Here.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
But you know, they're not in the same spot that
you were in a year ago. That's why coach O'Brien
was brought in because he has an experience here. He
has experience as a head coach in the league, and
he has experiences as a good offensive play caller and designer.
That's why he's here because I think Bill had to
realize without admitting it, okay, that was not the right

(39:47):
tact to take. And I think the problem with what
a lot of people are having is is because there
are some in the media and there are fans, yes, fans,
especially when that decision was made a year ago, they're like,
what is he doing?

Speaker 10 (40:00):
I mean, look at his track record with the Houston Texans,
Bill Ryan before then. But he I think he changed
a lot of people's perspective with his offensive play calingy
in Alabama that brought him back to the Patriots only.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
So there's and and and that's why they feel comfortable
with him. And Bill knows, Uh that Bill O'Brien wanted
to get back to the NFL. I think that's been
a goal of his, you know, since he you know,
he left h you know, the Texans especially, and then
he you know, uh tutored you know for a year
two years under uh you know Nick Samon and Alabama

(40:35):
because you know, you know, these guys all know each other.
Alabama obviously, you know, clearly has some of the pre
eminent talent in all of college football. Uh. You know,
Mac Jones and Bill O'Brien were like two ships that
passed in the night. Mack had just graduated when Bill
O'Brien stepped in, so did they work with each other,
not directly, but sort of indirectly on a lot of things. Uh,

(40:56):
And now they got a chance to kind of go
back together. So I think there's some similar mindset there.
And what the Patriots want to do anyway, is similar
to what you know, mac ran in Alabama and what
Bill has done not only in Alabama, but what he
did in his time in the NFL before that. So
I think we feel like there's gonna be some synergy there.
And I think we all realized that was the biggest
area of concern going in based on how last season ended.

(41:19):
So let's give it a chance to work before we
tear it down and say, oh, this is not gonna work.
Bill's on the hot seat. He's got to go if
the Patriots don't win this year. I'm just not that absolute,
And I think if you really think this thing out,
I don't think anybody you know reasonably will be that
absolute because he's so close and the Patriots understand from

(41:42):
an organizational standpoint, okay, that if he becomes the winningest
coach of all time, and I believe you or I listen,
believe me when I tell.

Speaker 8 (41:50):
You this that matters most definitely.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
That matters. I know that doesn't matter to really probably
anybody outside of the organization because nobody else has a
chance to even come close to it. No one may
touch this record again because coaches they just they regurgitate,
they recycle themselves so often. Now, if you don't win,
you're down for two or three years, you're out. You
don't get a chance to pull a Bill Belichick when
he was at Cleveland. You don't get a chance to

(42:15):
pull a Bill Belichick and have three four down years
here in New England, you know, between you know, playoff appearances.
You don't get a chance to do that because there's
so much pressure to win. Bill is still in position
to do that because of his track record and what
he's done. And by the way, if he actually does
surpass Shula, and I think he will, that automatically, you know, hey,

(42:38):
that becomes a New England Patriots record just as well
as it becomes a Bill Belichick record. Patriots will love
the winningest coach of all time. I mean, didn't they
name a trophy after the Green Bay Packers coach? Yeah? Okay,
that's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Well, you
have a trophy named after him. Hell, I don't know,
but I'm just saying that meant something back then, it

(42:59):
means something today to the history of the league, and
I think it'll be important for the Patriots, you know,
to you know, see, if they can't get to that,
they're gonna try to do the best that they can,
you know, and fix things along the way. If Bill
is lacking in any particular area, you know, they keep
bringing in young people to sort of come in with
the scouting and remaking, you know, the drafting. And now

(43:20):
they brought in some energy onto the coaching staff as well,
and hopefully assisting him in that particular endeavor. Not that
I think he's incapable. Bill's forgotten more football than any
of us will ever learn, and I think it'll be
that way from now until Kingdom come. But every once
in a while, yeah, you need an assist and I
think those that are most successful in life understand that

(43:43):
on occasion you do need help. Okay, I think that
comes along with the table. All right, let's get onto
a couple of the subject again. Eight five five Pats
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let's start with this team after we've gotten off the
Bill Belichick hot seat here. So going into training camp,

(44:07):
what do you feel like the current greatest area of
need is on the roster. I told you at the
top of the show that one of the things that
I want to see first other team is that Trent
Brown knows how to block. Again, a couple of years ago,
I thought he did a very very good job. Last year,
Oh my god, I mean, dude led the league in
Holtz offensive holds. So I'm just like, Okay, something's got

(44:29):
to change there, because you know, somebody that six foot five,
six foot eight, excuse me, in three hundred and sixty
five bills, no need for him to hold just you know,
move your feet, get in front of somebody, and you become,
you know, literally a man mountain. Clearly something that was
amiss there. So that's to me. I want to keep

(44:52):
mac Jones's backside healthy so he has time in the
pocket to be able to find the new targets and
the old targets that he has had to point toward
over the last couple of years. And really the pressure's
on Mac Now, I think, uh, threefold, fivefold over what
it was a year ago. Because last year was a wash.

(45:13):
Year two was a wash. I think we know. And
and it's because you know that, and frankly Bill owns that.
Coach Belichick owns that he has to because he's the
one that put the position the Patriots in position to
fail like they did a year ago. Let's call it
the way it is. So this year now you got
to figure out whether or not Mac is your guy
for the foreseeable future. And you got him, you know,

(45:34):
this year, next year, under the rookie contract, before year
five you have an option usually and then boom, you
have to decide are we keeping him or are we
gonna go draft somebody else, We're gonna trade for somebody else.
So you wouldn't generally want to try to stack your
roster while you have a quarterback whose salary you control. Young,
talented can compete and be a part of it. I
don't think there's anybody in their right mind that's going

(45:55):
to say Mac Jones is the best quarterback in the
AFC East, not with Aaron Rodgers coming to the fold
in New York. But can he be competitive? Sure, we can't.
Part of that is he has to have the time
to find his targets. Trent Jones is Trent Brown is
a big part of that. What do you guys thought
on current greatest area of need on the roster And
you don't have to agree with me, by the way,

(46:15):
on the.

Speaker 6 (46:15):
Offensive line, Well, you said earlier I think that they
needed a bigger, like a new wide receiver, like that's
the greatest need. And I definitely agree with that that
last year's they had terrible receivers and mixing in that
with the new offensive coordinator, you just you need a big,
new wide receiver to come in and just change that
look for not only the team, but for Belichick.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Anyone in particular. It's term of wide receiver.

Speaker 6 (46:45):
I know they had some people going had to head
for a position battle. Yeah, Taekwon Thornton and Kendrick Bourne,
so I know they were both.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
It's funny you should bring those two guys up because
I think those guys are sort of on the ball.
H I do. I love Kendrick Born. Kendrick was outspoken
last year thinking that you know, hey, what are these
guys doing. They're not getting me the ball enough? Right,
and we talked about on this show months ago. I think,
at least based on what we've heard from Kendrick in
the offseason, he's itching to get back out there, yeah,

(47:17):
and have an opportunity to show what he does. Taekwan
should too, because in year two, you know, you're supposed
to make your biggest leap from your rookie year to
your sophomore year. That shouldn't be your biggest leap, and
his rookie year was truncated because of injury. Yeah, I
really expect those guys to try to put pedal to
metal here in training camp and let's see what they got.

Speaker 6 (47:39):
And I think I think they're both supposed to be
expected to make that fifty three man roster.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Do you think they ultimately will?

Speaker 6 (47:46):
I mean, it depends on how they do, but I
do think that they should be expected to, so they.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Won't be, you know, one of those guys that they
just kind of carry hoping that he shows up in
the regular season.

Speaker 11 (47:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
So the next month really is for those two guys.
You put it out now and play hard now and
show what you've got now or when it gets to
be a month from now, right before you know, we
get to the you know, the the roster deadline, you're out.

Speaker 6 (48:10):
They're definitely gonna push each other for playing time and
definitely gonna I'll go along with that.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Nate, what do you think current greatest area of need
on the roster?

Speaker 8 (48:20):
I think it's definitely the offense. It's somewhere on the offense.

Speaker 9 (48:23):
I think it's either like we've been talking about, wide
receiver or I think it's quarterback.

Speaker 8 (48:28):
I think Mac Jones.

Speaker 9 (48:29):
We really, we really need to take a hard look
at our quarterback. Mac has only been here two seasons,
he's going into his third. He hasn't been pushed by anyone.
He hasn't really had anyone to look up to. I mean,
like you said, I think Bill Belichick has kind of
put us put himself in this position. We no more

(48:51):
Brady they I think they could have done things to
keep people that left.

Speaker 8 (49:00):
But let's go back to wide receiver.

Speaker 9 (49:02):
I want I want to talk about Okay, Juju Smith Schuster.
I think he could be let's let's just not even
talk about player of need. I think he could be
a player a position of need and he could be
one of our key players of the season. He just
came off one of his best seasons he's played with
nine hundred and thirty three yards. I mean, Juju, I

(49:27):
want to see Georgia.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
I want to see Jujo act like a one, even
if he's physically not a one.

Speaker 9 (49:32):
If that makes sense, I agree, Yeah, it's it's it's
not not always on the field, off the field, whether
he's second.

Speaker 8 (49:38):
I thought battling with the White I.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Thought last year in Kansas City, he really kind of
picked up where Tyreek Hill had left off when he
left from Miami.

Speaker 10 (49:46):
And I thought, you feel like he stepped out of
his shell of Pittsburgh right there, Yeah, under the Tomlin
Yeah organization.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
I would agree with that he stepped out of it
because he knew there was a need in Kansas City,
right he knew he had something one more Tyreek, So
who are they gonna tiget? You know, who's Mahome's gonna
go to? And I thought he stepped up and did well. Now, again,
injuries are always an issue and they always will be,
especially we're now a seventeen game schedule. But I'd like

(50:13):
to see him assume a leadership role on the team.
On the team, you know, on the field as well
as in the locker room. Because they're gonna be a
little bit of a void there. And Frank, you know
without you know a guy like Devin mccorty who retired,
so I would tell you that. To me, I think
that's almost as big an area of need is finding
someone to assume a leadership position role again as well

(50:37):
as finding somebody who can actually, you know, step up
on the field and do it. I think that's big
because that's one of those things that sort of leads
to the and our fans know this leads to the
Patriot way, you know, where they let the veterans do
most of the talking and the lot of locker room
and everybody else follows. I mean, you guys are on
athletic teams. You've been around on athletic teams long enough,
you know this is why you have team captains. This

(50:58):
is why you have leaders to set the tempo for
everybody else to follow. You follow, you know, the leaders,
and as they try to lead by example, right, and
boy does that really come into play. I think when
it comes to crunch time in the NFL.

Speaker 9 (51:11):
I I I really think that we should we should
be seeing what his numbers last year he was in
sixteen games, he didn't get injured. He held himself really
well in all of his case games. Coming from Kansas City,
I think here in here in Foxborough, we really need that.
Like you said, we need a leader. We need someone
leading off the field, on the field, in the locker room,

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at practice, not even at practice.

Speaker 8 (51:36):
We need we need a leader.

Speaker 9 (51:37):
We need someone who can lead this team and push
players to be their best and even better.

Speaker 8 (51:44):
If we're not pushing our players, what are we doing.

Speaker 10 (51:47):
I feel like to your point date that lead that
leadership is a learn trade, not like it's not something
that's given to you based off It's not some Yeah,
it's not something that's given to you based off of
just you're there for multiple years and multiple experiences, right, Tru.
That's that's why I believe that Juju Smith Schuster is

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gonna strug He's gonna struggle with his leadership leadership roles.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
Right.

Speaker 10 (52:13):
He's he's not a Juwan Binley, of course, trying to
having the years under the Patriots Belchi Belichick knows what
to expect from him out of captaincy. Right, this is
something that Ju is gonna have to learn, and he
has contact in NFL that can make that happen to
just give him advice on that. I mean he's seen it.
He's been with Ben Rollisberger, right, So I believe to

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that point that Jujus Smith Schuster is gonna learn, I
believe this season how to be a good captain and
speak up and use his leadership skills to provide a
lot of chemistry and great field to this organization.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
For that would agree with him that one. What's your
current greatest theory of need Mario.

Speaker 10 (52:57):
Grace area need it sides with off the line? I
think I agree with you. John trim Brown is the
only safe position for me at the tackle spot. That
other tackle spot is very much up for debate. I
think Riley Reeve has a lot of experience and he
also has a great he has He has great work

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on the edge of course protecting it.

Speaker 5 (53:19):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (53:20):
Conor McDermott is someone else to also look out for.
He's a pretty he's pretty versatile. You can use him
in most spots on the field as off as an
off the line member. Mike Amolu Kid is a decent
swing as well.

Speaker 8 (53:36):
He can be very.

Speaker 10 (53:38):
I think at times he can be very spotty, but
he has a good track record Okay, all.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Right, very good. Let's do uh one more here because
before we you know, we wrap up and get to
our two of the program. I'm kind of curious what
you guys look at as this team as a whole.
All right, So what I'm i'm and I ask you
to do here is put on your thinking caps, based
on your research, based on your fandom, based on your
knowledge whatever. And I want you to tell me where

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you think the team is going to be at the
end of the season. What's the one loss record going
to be? Are you you know, have you looked at
the schedule? You know where the tough parts are going
to come from. You have to take injury into consideration. Uh,
you got to consider you know, the overall competition, uh,
you know, for positional battles and and for uh you know,

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within certainly within the divisions that you got to play
each other team in the afcast twice this year. And
then ultimately, based on the record that you think this
team will finish with, will they make the postseason?

Speaker 10 (54:44):
I'll go first. I think they're gonna be seven and ten.
I don't think they make the playoffs. The team has
a few pieces or they need a few more pieces
on defense. They haven't fully matured, to say, in the
organanization yet as a team, I think the defense has
mastered your scheme and is ready to contend. I think

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the offense doesn't have the firepower consistently to be a
double digit win season this year, or a postseason team
at that maybe at the seventh spot, Okay. I believe
they're a postseason contender about a year or two with
a solid silence upgrade this year.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Okay, all right, so you don't think they're gonna get there? No, Okay,
so that's fair.

Speaker 6 (55:29):
I agree with Mario two.

Speaker 8 (55:30):
I don't really I do.

Speaker 5 (55:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (55:33):
I think honestly the Patriots are gonna go eight and
nine again, and they're not gonna with no playoffs, and
I don't I don't see when division does come around
that they'll, Like I said before, they're gonna have a
good enough chemistry to pull something off, and like I
and I think that if they do, it will be
a shock to all of us if they do so.

(55:55):
I definitely that's how I look at it. I just
don't think based off these new players and based off
their defense and all these things contributed into one, I
really don't think they're gonna make it pass.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
We got doubting Thomas's here in the room. I can't
believe that I'm the one that's all, you know, you know,
sunshine and unicorns here.

Speaker 6 (56:16):
Do you think they're gonna make it?

Speaker 2 (56:17):
I do.

Speaker 8 (56:18):
I do.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
In fact, I think the Patriots may shock the NFL.

Speaker 8 (56:22):
What do you think the record right now?

Speaker 2 (56:24):
I think I said this last month when we talked
about the schedule. I'm going to take them at ten
and seven with an outside chance at eleven and six
in spite of the difficulty of the record, and I
think they'll get into the playoffs and depending on their matchup, yeah,
I think they'll win a game. I don't know that
they'll go beyond one game, but I think they'll they'll

(56:47):
I think they'll win and get into the semifinals in
the AFC. That's my thought because I think what they'll
end up matching up with again, it all is predicated
on injuries, you know. I think that a matchup in
the in the second round, you know, in the wild
card after the wild card weekend with either Buffalo or

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Kansas City is going to be extraordinarily difficult for them
to match up.

Speaker 10 (57:10):
So that's what I think.

Speaker 6 (57:11):
I think Bills is gonna take the Bills are gonna
take it all in the division. I think they're gonna win.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Okay, Okay, that's fair, that's fair. I do think the
Patriots get in his wildcard, so I'll take them. I'll
take them right now at ten and seven. They get
in his wild card, and then it's all about matchups.
But I'll go ahead and go out on a limb
and say they can win a game. And I think
that would be a step in the right direction. Why
Because I think they know they need to take that
step at a franchise. They're going to work hard, and

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I think everybody and I think they've got more talent
this year. There's no question in my mind. They have
more talent on this team than they had a year ago.
Now do they have the right talent, We don't know yet,
and we're only gonna be able to find that out
as the season unfolds. But I think, look, if you
look at this team on offense this year, even the
roster now with ninety eighty nine players whatever it is

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right now, based on what they had last year, it's
night and day. There are more guys that can make plays.
I loved, and I've said this to you know, our
audience here before. I love the acquisition of Gasiki. You know,
he's like a six foot six slot receiver. I think
he's gonna end up being mac Jones's Binkie.

Speaker 5 (58:14):
You know.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
I can see that it's coming Ju. That should open
up room for Juju as well. Even though Juju is
primarily a slot type of guy. I think he'll be
able to line up wide if they choose to do that.
I think you'll be able to take off with the
ball if they choose to do that. So there are
a lot of different ways that I think they'll be
able to try to utilize him. I've always loved Devonte Parker,
he just can't stay healthy enough to get out of

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his own way. I want to see him play twelve games.
If we could get twelve to fourteen games out of Davante,
you know, then I think the Patriots are going to
be right where they need to be because he's one
of those guys that can go up and get it,
throw it up. He you know, should be able to
win most one on one matchups with most corners in
the league. You're certainly in the AFC. I'm actually excited

(58:58):
about the new weapons that they have, at least on paper,
on offense, and I think it will be better than
it was a here going I'm willing to give them
the benefit of the doubt. Now now I could be
eating crow, you know, in another month here or you know,
if someone gets hurt, or in two months after we
get into the first four weeks of the season. Because
one of the things I did say a month ago
when we were talking about the record, is there's a
good chance this team could go one in three to

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start the year based on the strength of schedule. There's
a really good chance. Does that doom them? No, it
does not, It won't. Nate, what do you think?

Speaker 8 (59:33):
I think this year is gonna be a struggle?

Speaker 9 (59:35):
You said, you said we have more talent, But the
question we should be asking ourselves do we have the
right talent. We have a lot of new guys, big
new team this year. I think the start of the
season is going to be a really big struggle. I
agree with the start of the season, we're gonna go
one in three. I think it's it's not gonna be

(59:55):
a great start for us, Nor do I think we'll
be making the postseason.

Speaker 8 (59:59):
I think we'll see eight wins and we'll have nine losses.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
So you have eight and Alina has eight, Mario has seven,
So you guys are definitely not buying into the hype.

Speaker 8 (01:00:10):
No, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Become the chief waiver around here. Come on, never happened.

Speaker 8 (01:00:16):
We're all biased.

Speaker 9 (01:00:17):
We love the team, we want them to go far,
so does everyone. We're all here for the Patriots except
for Mario. Get out of here, Titans fan. But we
gotta be honest with ourself. We can't hype us up.
We can't hype hype, hype this season up too much.
We like, like you've been saying, our our division is
definitely the hardest division in sports. I mean, the Patriots

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have the hardest. We're in the hardest division, and and
are we gonna be able to battle through it?

Speaker 8 (01:00:48):
I don't think so.

Speaker 10 (01:00:48):
Okay, it's gonna be a tough fight, but I could
tell it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I mean it's fair, that's fair.

Speaker 9 (01:00:53):
That's that's why I said eight and nine, because I
I don't think we'll be able to battle our way through.
We have bills on the schedule twice, same thing. We
got everyone on scheduled twice Bills is gonna be really
tough for us. If we can pull out one win
from them, that that would be amazing, But I don't
think it's gonna happen.

Speaker 6 (01:01:07):
That'd be like a step in the right direction.

Speaker 8 (01:01:08):
That would be a great step in the right direction.

Speaker 9 (01:01:10):
We really have to look at ourselves at the end
of the season if this is how we go, If
we have a season like the Jets seven and ten,
if we go something like that, or if we even
have something like the Raiders six and eleven, we really
have to look at what we're doing as a team.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
And so then you guys firmly put coach Belichick on
the hot seat after that finish.

Speaker 9 (01:01:28):
Yeah, it's if we have something like the Raiders or
even the Broncos where we go five and twelve, we
really have to look at is Belichick the right coach
and where does he need to go?

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
That's fair, we did say that. But I tell you
one thing. These guys are not sucking up to the
professor right now, are they?

Speaker 8 (01:01:45):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:01:46):
Sorry, sorry, love you, John, but no.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
I like that. Hey Eldred in North Carolina eight five
to five, Pats five hundred, the total free number Eldred.
Where are we driving today?

Speaker 12 (01:01:59):
How do legend and the panel? I'm up in the
mount heard of a Cherokee, Yes, sir, North Carolina?

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (01:02:06):
What are gambling casinos?

Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
Yes, sir, yes, well I'm around the corner from them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Who you gambling on today?

Speaker 5 (01:02:12):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (01:02:12):
I ain't gambling. I'm I'm delivering some big man holes
because they got to do some roads on a quady
road or where that road called. They got repair that
real bad, yes, and but doing them one a time.
It's like a ghost down.

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
Now.

Speaker 12 (01:02:25):
You got tourists everywhere, bikers, you got hot pants, church
tops look pretty good a week.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
The hell with the tourists. Just you know, leave your
money out el Yeah, really, leave your money and get
the hell out right.

Speaker 12 (01:02:40):
You got that right? But I like the attraction.

Speaker 5 (01:02:41):
They're looking very well, totally totally. What's so? What's what? What?
What do you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
I mean, what do you think of what these guys
have been talking about? I mean, I know how you
feel about Bill. Okay, tell me tell me why.

Speaker 12 (01:02:54):
One? Uh? Like I said, is this the way of thinking?
And that's work good in the in the nineties when
he with the giants, But he didn't work too good.
With the with the Cleveland Brown, you know, and it
didn't work. You know, ain't working good now, you know,
because you got to play star star players. And I'm
tired of everybody's saying we didn't ever have a chance
get Yes, we did. He just didn't get them. Heck,

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he brought nine to ten up inside the buildings, worked
him out, then then pick him and last couple of
drafts they sitting right there. He got his guys what
he thinks, and he don't like paying nobody. You know,
he'll pay defense now if guns all his pans out,
which I know he will. I think I'm pretty sure
he will. He'll get that eighty to ninety million dollar contract.

(01:03:37):
He'll get it, but he won't pay that for a
star wide receiver. Yeah, you know, he won't pay that.
And another thing he won't do the people that he got.

Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
He drafts and.

Speaker 12 (01:03:47):
That core that you done made or house thanks. When
he comes to signing time, he don't want to sign him.
He did the chep him out, chip him out, or
you know he might do a sign and didn't trade him.

Speaker 5 (01:03:59):
That's ridiculous.

Speaker 12 (01:03:59):
That's your core. You know. When you was coming up,
Stevenson coming up okay, and douglah, I'll keep every one
on them. I'm sorry, that's my.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Core, okay, and I won't disagree with that. No, I
think you're I think you're right. So they didn't. They
basically didn't do enough to get them back where you
think they need to be right now.

Speaker 12 (01:04:21):
No, sir and uh Paul put something on on on
us a couple of days ago and said, if they
went all in on Brady from ninth from eighteen, nineteen
and twenty, what.

Speaker 5 (01:04:33):
You think the rug would be?

Speaker 12 (01:04:35):
So Prian said, I don't know if they went all
in on Brady and when a Mari couple came open,
when the Hawk first went and left and then a dig,
you had three more Super Bowls, you had three more.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Well, I don't know that. I listen, I don't know
that they would have done that, but I would tell
you that if they had decided to go all in
on Brady run and keep him here, then I think
they would have made an effort to keep more talent
around him.

Speaker 12 (01:05:02):
Yes, and and you don't think with that talent he
went with no talent, No talent, Like I said, everybody
has had had leborguineas and sports cars he had Tukatys
went to Zoo both the six down with us in
one six.

Speaker 5 (01:05:17):
You don't think he was.

Speaker 12 (01:05:17):
If he went all in, he would have won three more.
I know he would have. He won one with with.

Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
The with the bucks.

Speaker 12 (01:05:23):
And I don't care if it was of COVID season
we had we had't do the same thing that did.
Uh what y'all had to do with us learned to
learn office, learn to play?

Speaker 5 (01:05:32):
Yeah, I mean they got him there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Yeah, I mean it's a good argument. I mean it's
a good argument. That's obviously an answer that will we'll
never get because it will it'll never happen, right, But
I could I would certainly see that, you know, you
know COVID year, you know, look that that to me
would have been the year to do it, because you know,
everybody had struggles, so you know, if you've done a
better job of keeping talent on the team and keeping Brady,

(01:05:56):
I could see that one potentially working out, you know,
to the Patriot liking for the last couple of years,
depending upon what would have happened that year. I'm not
so sure.

Speaker 12 (01:06:06):
Well, I'm thinking, well, I'm pretty sure because that's the
greatest of all time. And everybody can get mad to
be saying this. I don't care. He didn't come to
the greatest coach that he had the greatest player.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 12 (01:06:16):
Those two go hand in hand.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Yeah I get it.

Speaker 12 (01:06:18):
You know you know that that was that andin then Brady.
You could say one thing about Brady. One Super Bowl went,
the two playoffs lost because they got I played. It
was RT or whatever, but they got I played. But
he did take him there three years in a row.
You can't say that on this end. You can't say
that you got the wrong you know, got your own people,

(01:06:40):
got the wrong people when you draft, you know, and
everybody was right there with what you needed.

Speaker 5 (01:06:44):
You know.

Speaker 12 (01:06:45):
But like I said, that's build way of thinking. You
think this way is the best way. But that's not
you know, that's not not this year or the last
couple of years football. You know they ain't playing like
that no more. But he won't change it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
What do you think, Elder, It is the biggest area
of need on the roster right now.

Speaker 12 (01:07:02):
You know I won't say wide receiver.

Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
Yeah, I'm gonna say that outside.

Speaker 12 (01:07:07):
Because if I was the defense annoying, Uh Bill O'Brien,
what do you like to do made in the middle
of the field and all that. I'm stopping in the
middle till you show me somebody on the outside that
I gotta worry about. I don't care if you do.
Gotta stu stucking around. You have picked to run the
four two. He ain't showed me nothing yet, and he
burned me a couple of times. Then I'm gonna back up,
but I'm gonna.

Speaker 5 (01:07:27):
Call out that middle.

Speaker 12 (01:07:28):
That's what I would do. You showed me something, elk.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
You guys have anything for Eldrick?

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
Do you want to here?

Speaker 9 (01:07:33):
I gotta I got a question, Eldrick. What's what do
you think the record is? I think you quickly said it,
but I didn't hear. What was the what do you
think the record for the Pats season?

Speaker 12 (01:07:46):
To win a shootout?

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
You guys cheating?

Speaker 5 (01:07:48):
Maybe?

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Did you guys cheat and call and talk to Eldrick
before we started here? Why the hell are you guys
all on the same page?

Speaker 5 (01:07:53):
And I went out in land.

Speaker 9 (01:07:54):
We love you, We've heard, We've heard some stories.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Uh, we love you.

Speaker 8 (01:07:58):
You're a fan of the show.

Speaker 6 (01:08:00):
Thank you.

Speaker 12 (01:08:01):
He's everybody too. But think about it. I'm gonna see me,
mister mister legend. If you get a shootout with the Eagles,
the Cowboys, the Chiefs, the Bikers, Buffalo Miami got Buffalo
Miami twice, and now the Jet even though they got
Aaron Rodgers. If I think Aaron Rodgers gonna fall apart,
I don't think so. You know, so you gotta win

(01:08:23):
a shootout. You ain't got the web. It's the run
hihoot out.

Speaker 5 (01:08:28):
I think.

Speaker 9 (01:08:28):
I think actually this might be one season where we
might see the Jets above us for once. They they haven't,
they haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Rogers is not all that.

Speaker 5 (01:08:38):
He's not. He's not, he's not.

Speaker 9 (01:08:40):
But they have the prospects, they have the talent. They
just need a team that's gonna work together.

Speaker 5 (01:08:45):
Need a quarterback exactly.

Speaker 10 (01:08:47):
And some love Bisola as well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
I just don't. I don't running back well, yeah, but
they're gonna get that back. I think Breess Hall is
gonna you know, he's very good. I loved him at
Iowa Stake because he was a thorn in my side.

Speaker 10 (01:08:59):
But he's very explosive.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
He's extraordinarily explosive. And if he's completely healthy, they'll have
their running back.

Speaker 12 (01:09:06):
They'll have him, Yeah, they have, And plus they got
somebody in the background there to back him.

Speaker 5 (01:09:10):
Up a little bit, you know, so he's pretty well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
They just yeah, they did, didn't they did just sign
James Robinson who we had here. I believe they did.

Speaker 5 (01:09:17):
Yes, I think they. I think they did somebody before
him that was a guy.

Speaker 12 (01:09:20):
There was a rent back before him. Yeah, that took
place for a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:09:23):
You know, he's pretty good two four minute.

Speaker 12 (01:09:25):
But all of them looking at it's the competition level,
you know, And then I know we got we got
good coaches. Now, you know we didn't have him last year.
But it's the talent thing, you know, Juju, you can
pay some million what give what call thirty some millions
and that's not not thirty but thirteen sixteen million, Yeah
to Parker, and I got, like I told you, you

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got a disgrunted rob receiver in Denver. Give a third
round or fourth front and go get a Bill And
that's such way better than Parker and younger, fast and taller,
and we'll go get it and got speed. Now they
don't give somebody on the O side.

Speaker 6 (01:10:00):
You're talking about a quarterback here. Do you think Mac
can bounce back from his season last year and grow
under Bill O'Brien, Like, what do you think about that?

Speaker 12 (01:10:11):
I think it'd be more. I think he can because
that's more like Josh McDaniel, a real offensive coordinator. Somebody
gonna get his attention, gonna work under his canic tell
him what you know this and that he didn't have
that last year And nor did Bill bring him in
the nurture that I can see, you know, on sidelines
or whatever, like he did what you call like he
did Brady, what's the thing you go talk to Brady?

(01:10:31):
He didn't do that with Matt. You know, he didn't
do that. I think he'll do a little bit better.
And like I said, you still a couple of shots deep.
Somebody can get over there, Burnham, cup of time. They
gonna make somebody back up right now. We ain't got
nobody to making nobody back up. So I'm just coming
forward that you got better corners. You got Ramsey in
there now over there with the other guy from Miami.
Then you got Sauce and this other guy they got

(01:10:52):
over there. Then you got Buffalo corners. You know, jam,
they can jam, they can run. You ain't got nobody
can run with him.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Yeah, all right, Elder I'm gonna leave you with one
more here because the guy's kind of started out with
this and I think I know your answer, but I
really kind of like for you to contribute. Here is
Bill on the hot seat? Why or why not?

Speaker 12 (01:11:12):
He's a house fit for the last hoo told seasons
with me.

Speaker 10 (01:11:17):
He is burning hot.

Speaker 12 (01:11:18):
Yeah, yeah, sir, I mean, I mean somewhere down the line.
You have to see what's going on in the NFL.
I mean, he ain't no dummy, He's smartest ay to be.
You have to see and you have to see that
your way ain't going ain't doing. You ain't working like
it did before because you had demand. You ain't got demand.

Speaker 5 (01:11:36):
Now. You can't keep.

Speaker 12 (01:11:37):
Playing like that. You can't keep drafting like that, you
can't keep scheming like that. You ain't the skiing. It's
the player and the scheme. And like I said before,
you be the greatest coach in the world. But if
you ain't got them plague, you're just a coach holding
the clipbull on the sideline. That's all you are.

Speaker 10 (01:11:52):
Yeah, for Jesus the fact, Yeah, I like that, Elder that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
I love you, brother. Thanks for calling in.

Speaker 5 (01:12:00):
I have a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Gotta go see you all right, he's gotta finish making
his load here. All right. If you're on the phones,
hang in, I'm gonna get right to you. But guys,
good job on the first hour here. Appreciate you all,
thank you. Yeah yeah, way to roll.

Speaker 10 (01:12:12):
All right, We'll see what the Patriots do this year.

Speaker 8 (01:12:15):
I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
And Nathan and Mario, all right, I'm gonna take a
quick break here, team two hour two straight ahead here
in the playbook. In the meantime. Bridgestone is the official
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Speaker 5 (01:15:30):
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here with the July edition of the Patriots Playbook. Today
was the first day of training camp here at Gillette Stadium.
As I mentioned in the opening hour of the program,

(01:16:17):
that you know, really today tomorrow Friday will really be
more glorified OTAs than anything else, just because it's a
continuation of what was learned, and then just to see
what the retention has been after having five six weeks
off since OTA has ended in June. And then they'll
get to you know, pad work and contact and yes,

(01:16:39):
true competition beginning next week on Monday. That were players
that were missing today at the opening of training camp,
Mike on when you and Calvin Anderson were I guess
the most notable absentees. When you is currently on the PUP,
the physically unable to perform list, Anderson is on the

(01:17:00):
non football illness list earlier this week was something that
was not football related O WHENU is recovering from ankle surgery,
as I know many of you were probably aware that
he had in the off season. So that's why those
two guys weren't there. I don't think that we're expecting
any difficulties or anything lingering from where those guys are,

(01:17:23):
you know, are presently. I think that's the biggest issue.
And then I also find out today Cody Davis, who's
the special teamer in safety also on the PUP, is
the only other player that was missing to my knowledge,
at least based on the start of practice today here
at Gillette. DeMarcus Mitchell was present, and I know the

(01:17:45):
Boston Herald reported this as well. He's kind of been
been moved from the NFI the non Football injury list
as well, so he's back, so that's probably good. Marte
Maphu done, the rookie from Sack State. He did not
yet a red jersey on, so that means no contact.
So I think they're just being sort of, you know,
careful with him. I mentioned, you know earlier, you know,

(01:18:07):
to radio station that I spoke to in Maine this
morning as they were all hyped up about the opening
day of training camp, that Mapoo's one of the guys
that I really am looking forward to seeing the most.
You know, there are a lot of hype here about
a guy that you know clearly played at another level.
I mean Sack State. Let's face it, Okay, it's not
Pac twelve, it's you know, not Big twelve, it's not

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Big ten. But that doesn't mean that talent doesn't exist.
And so to me, this is an example a of
a guy that might be playing a little bit more
of a chip on his shoulder, kind of like we
saw Kyle Duggart a few years ago, right, ironically that
you know, these guys will probably play similar positions, right,
number one and number two. This is a test of
the team scouting staff. This is a test of you know, hey,

(01:18:52):
these guys can recognize talent no matter where it be playing,
where it'll be playing, and whatever level it might be
located on. So Mapoo's a guy that I'm really kind
of looking forward to trying to identify and see how
he begins to make out and can he perform to
the level of early expectation for the Patriots. All right,
So before we get back to the phones, I want
to welcome in our panel for an hour number two

(01:19:14):
and again, these are my sports broadcasting students at Dean
this summer. We'll welcome onto the program Charlie Adams. Charlie's
from Do you are even Kranston in Warwick? Cranston, Right, Cranston,
Rhode Island, Okay, And so you go to Cranston East
High School? Correct?

Speaker 5 (01:19:28):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
All right, gotcha? And you remember the Thunderbird broadcast program.

Speaker 11 (01:19:32):
There, Yep, Thunderbolt Sports Media.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Thunderbolt Sports.

Speaker 5 (01:19:35):
I love that.

Speaker 8 (01:19:35):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
You want to give a shout out to coach Simone
or anything like that.

Speaker 11 (01:19:39):
Yep, mister Simone and the people over at fans Only
Sports Network give me a good opportunity to get my chops,
get my reps in in high school, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Fans Only is actually where we send a lot of
our Dean kids over to work with, and you probably
even worked with some of them, some of them. Maya galupo, Hi,
Maya Hi, So Maya tellus you are a senior getting
ready to be a senior in high school?

Speaker 7 (01:20:01):
Right, yes?

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
And where do you reside?

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
I'm in I'm near Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
Okay, so you're another out of state or here?

Speaker 6 (01:20:08):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Are you a Ravens?

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
No, I'm a Patriots fan because I'm family from here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Oh so where's your family from?

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
I think like around Natick and Lowell.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Okay, all right, I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:20:18):
If I said that, right, No, no, you did.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
That's actually a good job out of you. You know,
some people will say Natick, that's true. Some people will
say wor Chester, you know which. If you do, then
we can tell you're not from here, right, Okay, that's
all right. Uh so if you're you born and raised there?

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
Oh yeah, okay, Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
So you largely became a Patriot fan because of your family?

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
Wow, so the Patriot fan influence must be heavy in
your family, then, yes? Does anybody in your family follow
the Ravens?

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Wow, so everybody's a Pats fan?

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Oh okay, him Aya's family. How you doing? Everybody good?

Speaker 5 (01:20:55):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Zach Goldberger?

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
Zach?

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Where are you're from?

Speaker 8 (01:20:57):
From?

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Brooklyn, New York?

Speaker 8 (01:20:59):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:20:59):
God?

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
One of those Jets, Giants?

Speaker 5 (01:21:04):
Cowboys?

Speaker 8 (01:21:05):
Oh lord.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
I didn't want to say it on the podcast. I
might feel a little flamed, but uh I love that,
all right. So the obvious question then for me, Zach,
is how did you get to be a Cowboy fan
from New York?

Speaker 19 (01:21:19):
All right, so I'm a big college football fan. I'm
a big Michigan fan. Okay, and a few years back,
well over half their graduates went to the Cowboys. I
was like a right, you know, I off of all
the Cowboys and I started liking.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
The team, you know, yep?

Speaker 8 (01:21:31):
So all right, well it's not a great excuse.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
But no, no, that's fine. We You know, obviously you
and I have something in comic because you know, people
who've listened to this show for any length of time
know that I grew up, you know, with the Cowboys
in my backyard being from Texas, and so I was
a Cowboy fan. But I was a Cowboy fan pre
Jerry Jones ownership. You know, this is when you know
they were owned by you know, the Murchisons and uh
and then the Brights of the World. And when Tom

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Landry was the you know, one and only head coach
that team ever had, and you know, just the way
it rolled with me, and I stopped really being a
fan of the Cowboys, you know, when Jerry Jones unceremoniously dispatched,
you know, arguably one of the greatest coaches to have
ever you know, coached the game in the NFL. But
I can get off on a tangent on that one
if you want to, and maybe you and Isaac will

(01:22:15):
do that at some point in time. Right, we can
do that. And let's also welcome kurrent Cochley Kerrn's local midfield.

Speaker 7 (01:22:22):
Right that field twenty minutes on the road.

Speaker 5 (01:22:24):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
So, you know, I know probably why you're a Patriot, Sampit,
because you've grown up here. You're into sports in high school. Correct, Yes,
I am in the sports high school broadcasting as well.

Speaker 7 (01:22:33):
Yeah, I'm in the broadcasting as well. I do a
lot of work with Medfield TV. You're in a sports
show there called Warrior Sports Talk, and it's incredible. It's
a great opportunity to get work in and learn a
lot about the industry and the business and how it
all goes. And it's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
All right, So you guys ready to tackle you know,
the topics of the day.

Speaker 5 (01:22:50):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Before we get to them, let's get William and Philadelphia
in here, because William's been kind enough to hold on
during the break. Hey William, you're in the playbook.

Speaker 20 (01:22:58):
Mister Brook what's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
How you doing?

Speaker 21 (01:23:01):
All right?

Speaker 20 (01:23:02):
I've been trying to reach you for I've been missing.
I guess one of your shows come on and I
don't know when, I say, all right, maybe he's on
a day And I looked on the ALP and I
was like, all right, he's one if I can talk all.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
I Hey, listen, I'm I'm I'm uh welcome to I'll
shoot the bleep with you anytime you want it. I mean,
you know how to get me on social media?

Speaker 5 (01:23:24):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:23:26):
Yes, sir?

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
All right, so you can you don't have to wait
for the show. I'm glad you did though. I mean,
you know, I'm really happy that you take the time
to do it on the show. But you know, hey,
we can we can do it just about anytime. Our
show in August will be on August thirtieth, and then
the next week we start the regular season, right before
the first game against the Eagles, so that'll be the
next couple of times that we'll have the show on. Yeah,

(01:23:49):
all right, fire away, what do you got man?

Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
Uh?

Speaker 20 (01:23:54):
Well, I'm gonna say hello to the panel.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
You guys say hello to one.

Speaker 5 (01:24:00):
There we go.

Speaker 20 (01:24:01):
Hey, how y'all going do? I'm a fat just fan too, uh,
even though I look at Philadelphia, so don't judge me.
So I gotta agree with the panel seven and ten.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
To really agree with no kidding, we'll find out how
these guys you know are are opening hour. I don't
know if you guys heard of it, Uh, seven and ten,
eight and nine, maybe you know, And we'll we'll tackle
that one here shortly. But I you know, I I
feel like, what the hell am I looking at that
you guys aren't Because I've said ten and seven, eleven
and six.

Speaker 7 (01:24:32):
That's mostly our group is thinking we were Marlin Lineman.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
So you're looking okay, all right, So William tell me
why seven and ten man?

Speaker 20 (01:24:39):
Well, I'm definitely being nice. I actually want to be
worse than that, but I'll be nice about it. So
let me start. I guess let's start here your fourth season.
Then you're going in your fifth season, and it's the roster.
It's just I mean, Bill's he drops the ball every time,
and I think, what was the last storm with the
DeAndre Hopkins situation? Like you you're being cheap and you

(01:25:04):
you do not have Tom Brady no more. You have
mag Jones and he's not he's not. He's just he
needs talent around him. He don't need stuff par talent.
He needs really strong talent around.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
Him, you know.

Speaker 20 (01:25:18):
And I mean faces, figures on filter, they just they
disagree with me all the time. They I guess they
homeless bars. I don't, but I mean, look, I love
the team too, but I'm gonna call it the way
I see, you know, and we're gonna find we I'm
gonna tell you this one too that no one is
really talking about.

Speaker 6 (01:25:34):
That.

Speaker 20 (01:25:35):
You're gonna find out why Deyvin mccordy was nice, because
then mccordy was calling you know, line line the players
up and one night the Corns and everything we're gonna
miss that, We're gonna get exposed, gonna gets bad. And
just one more thing to our first game is uh
the Philadelphia eatings. I'm gonna I got one word for
the front seven for the philup you nasty?

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
Yeah? Well, I mean yeah, I mean yea. Let's face it,
that's a super Bowl caliber team right still, So, I mean,
I know the Patriots know that they have their hands full.
That's a hell of a game to for anybody to,
you know, start the year off with. And and uh,
it'd be a lot of heavy expectation because of the
Tom Brady Day thing and all that other stuff. I'm
not sure how many people really expect the Patriots to

(01:26:18):
win that game, even if it's here. You know, I
think that you're, you're, you're probably that would be money
in the bank if you could get that one.

Speaker 20 (01:26:29):
You know, I don't know how you could be even
I don't know how you can be fonditive about this.

Speaker 5 (01:26:33):
I just can't well.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
And I but I'll tell you exactly why I'm positive,
because that they clearly have more talent on the offensive
side of the ball than they had a year ago,
and I think the defense will improve from where it
was a year ago as well. So if you make
small incremental improvements, and I think they've made more than
that on the offensive side, but even on the defensive side,
if you've made small incremental improvements, I think you know,

(01:26:56):
rising tide lifts all boats, and this team could be
a little bit better now. I know the schedule's tougher,
and the schedule could clearly, clearly, you know, cause the
balance to tip either way. I think it's gonna be
that way for everybody, because the great unknown here when
you go into any NFL season, all right, and it's
more so now than at any other time in the

(01:27:17):
history of the game. This is a marathon. It is
no sprint. There are seventeen long ass weeks to this season,
and that's enough time for any team to a get hurt,
b overcome that hurt, and see get healthy again. And
so if you've got enough depth on your roster, you

(01:27:37):
can still be competitive. And that's you know, even to
the Patriots. Like I said in the opening hour of
the show, here, if you start one in three, which
I think it's it's quite possible, this team could start
one in three, could they still be a playoff team?
They absolutely could be. Now when you look at it,
that means, well, they start one in three, rook and
you think they're gonna go ten and seven, that means
they're gonna go nine and four the rest of the way.

(01:28:00):
You know, who are you fooling them? I'm not fooling anybody,
because you're still got the same talent as long as
it's healthy. And if other teams don't have luck and
it does require some of that here, if other teams
don't have that luck with health, they'll come down to
your level and you've got a chance to take advantage
of that. That's what I'm banking on. This is a marathon,

(01:28:21):
this is not a sprint. Injuries matter. I want to
see this team build up depth, and I think they've
done a much better job of trying to build depth internally.
This is why you see guys that can play two ways,
Guys that can play multiple positions on the offensive line,
the defensive line, especially in the secondary, guys that can
play corner and safety, play safety and linebacker. I mean,

(01:28:43):
we see a lot of this multi talented depth that
already exists on this roster, and I think it's a
step above where they were this time of year ago.
That's the reason for my optimism. And I'm not just
waving pompons here. This is exactly what I thought. And
I'm somewhat encouraged by this. But you know, my my
esteem panels year. They just don't seem to at least
the first hour, they don't seem to agree too much.

(01:29:08):
All right, fair enough, but I'll tell you what. I'll
tell you what we'll do, William. We will revisit this, right, yes, sir, Yeah, yeah,
all right, thank you, Thank you, buddy, appreciate it. Eight
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Speaker 5 (01:29:37):
All right, guys, so.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Let's kind of let's let's let's start with what we
ended the previous hour with. Let's talk about predicting twenty
twenty three. You know, clearly William thinks seven and ten.
The guys, your your fellow, you know, uh, students didn't
go above eight and nine. Okay, that's what they thought

(01:30:00):
all over. I get the sense that you might be
a little more optimistic and maybe we'll be agreeable, maybe not.
But I want to know why you have that optimism.

Speaker 7 (01:30:08):
Okay, go, I mean yeah, I think obviously it's easy
to look at the schedule and because seven to ten
is realistic, is it worse than that is realistic? This
schedule is leghit. There are a lot of serious, difficult
playoff teams on here. I think I got ranked the
hardest schedule in the league, as a matter of fact.
So it's no surprise to see people predicting us with
a losing record well under five hundred. And I'd be
wrong if I said I couldn't see it. But there's

(01:30:30):
also a really, really feasible way that this team can
be a competitor. They can win some shootouts with the
addition of Bill O'Brien, the addition of Mike Aseki, so
we I predicted ten and seven personally, and I think
the big wins you see on the schedule that might
be surprising. I have a win over the Cowboys, much
to the sugar of Zach over there, and I also

(01:30:50):
have us taking a game against the Jets, much improved team.
I think we're gonna split with them this year. We
could lose both games, so that also determines a lot
of where we end up. This division is tough, the
hardest division in the league easily, But I think when
you look at some of our teams outside we play
the Chargers, the Steelers, the Broncos, the Commanders, those are
all games that this team I think should be able
to handle with the death that we have, with the

(01:31:11):
talent that we have. So I have them going ten
and seven. I think realistically, if they can keep that pace,
they can keep up with the teams in the AFC East.
I see them maybe securing a wildcard spot. Maybe that's
me my Homer glasses on, but that's what I predicted.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
All right, Jack, what do you think. I know you're
chopping at the bid here.

Speaker 19 (01:31:25):
Well, I agree with ten and seven. I think it
does depend on how receivers like Taikewan Thornton and Juju
perform though to help Mac with more weapons on offense.
But I think if they can perform the way they should,
then ten and seven is a very realistic record for
them at the end of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
All right, maya any thoughts along those same lines. Are
you gonna go differently?

Speaker 4 (01:31:47):
I have similar thoughts. I do think it could be
ten and seven, but I do think there are a
few games that I was like, I could go either way.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Tell me where do you think those are?

Speaker 5 (01:31:55):
Then?

Speaker 4 (01:31:56):
The Jets, like I was thinking, we could split it
or we could lose both. And the Cowboys and the Raiders.
These are two games that I said wins, but I
could also see that be a loss.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Okay, all right, so fifty to fifty games in there.
It kind of leaves you a little bit iffy. But
it sounds to me then if you're still thinking ten
seven that they're gonna win their share.

Speaker 4 (01:32:16):
Of them, Yeah right, yeah, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
Charlie, you on the same page.

Speaker 11 (01:32:20):
Well, I'm looking at their win total over under at
seven and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
But I think are you burying the over on that one?
Is that what you're telling me?

Speaker 11 (01:32:29):
I'm not too I'm not too sure about that really.
I think we're a top four team in the AFC East,
but that's not enough to get us to playoffs.

Speaker 5 (01:32:38):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:32:39):
We need I'd say maybe even twelve wins if we're
looking at a wild card spot. So it's another season
without a playoff birth.

Speaker 5 (01:32:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:32:47):
I don't know if I can handle it being a
Patriots fan, I've only seen winning, seeing these missed playoffs.
If we do it again, I'm not sure if I
can go through that one more time with this strong
AFC East.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
Okay, I think you know that. Look, I think it's
good to be cautious. I mean my initial inclination. I
think I said this a couple of months ago, before
one of our offseason shows that we were doing earlier,
I think before we knew what the schedule was gonna
look like and how it was going to line up.
You know, I said, hey, don't be surprised if this
team goes, you know, eight to nine, nine and eight again,

(01:33:22):
because based on the opponent, we knew they're gonna play,
we just didn't when it was gonna be. Then it
looked like the schedule is going to be a little
bit tougher than what it was a year ago. And
I think obviously that has proven to be true in
this case. But I'm going strictly on a feel, and
my feel is is that I think these guys on
this team and these coaches on this team feel like

(01:33:43):
they have something to prove. This is when I'm gonna
go back to the early two thousands, before you guys
were evenna glint in your parents' eyeballs here. But I'm
gonna go back to, you know, the early two thousands
because those Patriots teams thrived on having a chip on
their shoulder. We used to call it the old boulder
on the show. You know, they really were motivated by

(01:34:03):
what other people thought they couldn't or wouldn't or never
would do. And I think we're gonna get a little
bit of that this year because I think there are
a lot of doubting thomas Is out there, and so
I think that will especially on the offensive side of
the wall, because I think they know that people are
gonna really scrutinize over them because they were so bad
last year. I mean it was it was a struggle

(01:34:23):
to watch them offensively a year.

Speaker 7 (01:34:25):
It was not good football.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
No it wasn't. And I think we're gonna all admit that.
And frankly, that keeps me from you know, going over
the top even further and sent you know, eleven and six,
twelve and five. I think, you know, no, I don't
know if I'm ready to go that far. But I look,
I'm at ten and seven. I think with a couple
of breaks, eleven and six, and I think eleven and
six is gonna have them in the hunt for the
AFC East. I do because I think Buffalo, New England, Miami,

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New York are gonna beat up on each other. It
would not shock me to see those four teams go
three and three against each other. No, not at all.
It really wouldn't shock me. And you'd say, oh, Buffalo, Well, listen,
what is Buffalo done. They haven't done anything, got worse.
I'm listening. I could think you could make that argument.

Speaker 7 (01:35:10):
I really do. I think Buffalo in terms of what
they've lost on the defensive side and some pieces on
the offensive side as well. Nahim Heines being out for
the year, Yeah, I think I think they've gotten worse.
I mean, their situation is. I don't think they're as
deep as they were last year.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
I think they're coming back to the pack just a
little bit, just a little bit. They still deserve to
be the favorite. I would still make them the favorite
because based on paper, where they've been and what they've
done over the last three years, they deserve to be
on top. I'm a proponent of, Hey, you're king until
you're removed from the you know, from the seat, right,
That's what I think. Tell you, you know, knock off the
king of the hill. The king is still the king.

Speaker 7 (01:35:42):
I think as long as Josh Allen and Digs are there,
they're the king. Yeah, you can't. You can't stop that.
Nobody can stop that. Do There's no answer for it?

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
No, I think that's true. But let's let's this is
why we have to play the games right, right, so
we kind of gotten our records in here postseason, Yes, no, indifferent.
What are you thinking.

Speaker 11 (01:36:04):
I'm looking at the last two weeks of the season,
having to face the Bills and Jets. That's gonna be
two crucial weeks if everything goes right. I think there's
a lot of things that have to go the Patriots
way to get a chance at that last wildcard spot.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
Yeah, I can't argue with that. I think at ten
and seven you make a wild card. I think anything
short of that nine and eight probably isn't gonna be
good enough this year. I know it was last year.
I don't know that it's good enough. I don't think
you can count on that eleven and six you're showing
and like I said, eleven and six, you may even
tie for the division title.

Speaker 7 (01:36:36):
What do you think, Kurrent No, I mean, I completely
agree with that. I think anything below ten and seven
you're not cutting the playoffs this year. This is such
a competitive, tough division. You're gonna be playing tough teams
all year long. You're gonna have to at least be
a couple games over five hundred to make the playoffs.
Eleven and six, I think you're right. This is gonna
be a competitive division. No one's gonna be sweeping through
the division the way the Bills did last year. They
were claiming games pretty easily. I think, you know, if

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with a tougher division, yeah, I think you could get
a wildcard spot, you could sneak in there and maybe
being played for the East. But I think below that
there's no chance.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
Zach Maya, what do you think?

Speaker 21 (01:37:07):
I agree?

Speaker 8 (01:37:08):
I agree. I think that.

Speaker 19 (01:37:10):
I do think the Dolphins are going to come in
first in the division this year. Really Yeah, I mean
the ad, the addition of Jalen Ramsey, and you know,
with Tyreek and Jalen still on the team, I think
Tua does have to step up, but I think they
could definitely have a case for the first in the
division this year. But I think the Patriots might be

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able to sneak in a wild card spot this year.
I think within the next two three years for sure
they will be a playoff team again. I think it's
going to have to come with a little bit of
time with their youngsters still having to evolve.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
Okay, all right, Maya, I show you a smile when
he said when he said dolphins. So I'm just kind
of curious what you think there.

Speaker 4 (01:37:49):
I do think it is going to be tough for
them to reach the postseason and get a wild card,
but I do think it is possible if they get
as you guys said of like ten and seven were above.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Yeah, so that would put him in there, right, Yeah, Okay,
let's go to the phones. Eight five to five, Pats
five hundred. Sasha is in southee kind enough to hang on, Hi, Sasha,
you're in the playbook.

Speaker 21 (01:38:09):
Oh yeah, what's up, John?

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
How you doing?

Speaker 21 (01:38:10):
Thanks for having me on? Yeah, sure, I just I
wanted to talk about I don't know if you've talked
about this yet, but I think it's kind of an
underrated storyline of the off season is that, you know,
I think arguably our best defensive player and offensive player
are both free agents next year in Kyle Duger and
mike on Wendon, and we haven't I haven't heard anything

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about extensions for either, and I just I'm kind of
worried that Bill is taking it too slow when we
might lose something Like I'm really high on Kyle Duger.
I think he's one of the best play making safeties
in the NFL, and that's someone who I think we
really have to make a big effort to keep. So
I don't know what you guys think about that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Well, I'll lead off with that one. I will tell
you that I think that they're already talking about it internally.
They're not gonna They're not gonna play their hand. They
aren't going to show their hand here to kind of
keeping the cards closed to the vest. But I think
they both realize. I think everybody realizes that, you know,
those two guys could very easily be, you know, part
of the backbone of this franchise for a few years

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to come, and I think we'll probably see that as
the season unfolds. You know, when you I think we
can realize is probably one of the best guards in
the NFL. Now, so you know, once he returns off
of the pup, which is what he started on today
for the first day of practice, then you know, I
wouldn't be at all surprised to see this be a
deal that just gets done under the table and gets

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you know, without a whole lot of fanfare, and hopefully
they have something to announce before all of a sudden
done Dougger. In all honesty, I you know, unless something
is already done, I can see them waiting a little
longer on Dougger. And I'll tell you why, because I
think they feel like Mapu's a guy that might come
in and he could do that what Dougger's doing, maybe
for less money because of his rookie contract. I don't

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think that means that they are undervaluing Dugger, but I
think they just mean, look, we need to do what
is the best in the best interest of the franchise
first and foremost, and if Duggart's gonna go out and
command a ton of money, then maybe we still already
have the replacement already in house.

Speaker 5 (01:40:12):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
The other side of that is is, well, maybe we
try to resent the guy before he goes out and
blows everybody away this year, and then we get him
for pennies on the dollar. See what I'm saying.

Speaker 21 (01:40:22):
Yeah, I think that. I don't. I don't think having
Marte is an excuse to not keep Douger. I don't
see like a problem with having you know, two really
like elite safeties. But I guess I think that's kind
of what Bill wanted to do, like in a lot
of places with this draft, where he kind of outside

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of Gonzales in the first round, he really drafted for
needs for next year, like White, Martin Marte obviously, and
then City, Sow and MASSI were there certain like non
needs that are going to help a team in three,
but more or less like going forward instead.

Speaker 7 (01:41:00):
Of for now.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
Okay, all right, guys, you want to comment on that
either way?

Speaker 7 (01:41:05):
No, I think I agree, And that's part of why
I like the map Who pick so much. I think
he adds this very similar presence to Dugger. He's versatile,
he goes all over the field, he's fast, he can cover,
he can rush the passer. I think he's a great addition.
And I think if you have mop who gro out
this year, he plays a good game. You can point
to him and be like, you know, yeah, we want
to pay you dugger, But we also got this guy
doing this, and that can bring Darker's value down a

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little bit, you know. So I think I think Mapu
is a great pick for so many reasons. And I think, yeah,
Owenu is a huge to keep. He's one of the
best guards in the league. His pro football focus is
off the charts, and he can play all over the line.
He's hugely valuable, especially on a really thin line right now.
So I think it's yeah. I would hope they would
get something done under the table, not a lot of fanfare.
It would be nice to move forward this year, especially

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having him signed, knowing he's a key piece of a
line because the line is so shaky right now, so
having him secured for a few years, I think it's huge.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
Yeah, anybody else want to chime in on that one? No,
you're good with that? Shall share anything else?

Speaker 12 (01:42:04):
I don't.

Speaker 21 (01:42:05):
I know a lot of people in the first hour,
like the panel was pretty negative about like how the
record's gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
Be what the what the hell will they know? They're
just a bunch of kids.

Speaker 21 (01:42:14):
Yeah, I'm definitely closer to you, John, I think it's
probably I think eleven and eleven and six is a
bit over zealous, but I think it's I'd be stunned
if we got left and eight wins, So I think
it's probably a nine or ten win win team for
this year.

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
Well, if you want to make the postseason, you'd better
be a ten. Yeah, yeah, you'd better. You'd better be
a ten.

Speaker 21 (01:42:37):
I think the problem is going to be the the
AFCs is I think too good. So I think we'll
have a winning record.

Speaker 12 (01:42:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 21 (01:42:45):
I'm I don't know about the playoffs, so I think
it might be pushing it because I just if we
if we had ended up signing or trading for like
a legit like threat in the passing game, I'd be
feeling much more confident. But I like Juju, I like
Kendrick Bourne, like I think they're good second and third receivers.

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But I don't know nobody. I don't think anybody outside
of Ramandre on the Patriots, like in our passing game
with Scar anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
Well, that's why I actually wanted them to go out
and get Dalvin Cook. I was very and have been
very much a proponent with that, because I think he
could be that kind of guy, that change of pace guy,
that could be, you know, the backup to Remondre if
he's willing to accept that role. And we don't know that,
but clearly he knows how to catch and run with
the football, and I think that would be dynamic in
the offensive backfield if they decided to go that route.

(01:43:38):
And it sounds to me like you're kind of like me, Sage.
I really wanted them to go out and get d
Hop and they just, you know, for whatever reason, he
just wasn't gonna fit here. And I think we can
probably all really kind of see the forest for the
trees on that one and just say, you know, and
been a great practicer and blah blah blah, and there's
this mutual admiration society between him and Bill and YadA YadA.

(01:43:58):
But you know, dude, if he's not a practice and
you know, you got to practice here. If you don't
buy into the Patriot way, we don't want you. And
that's just the way it is, right.

Speaker 21 (01:44:06):
I don't see how Phil and a guy who basically
takes every Wednesday off are gonna mash that well out.

Speaker 5 (01:44:12):
Yeah, I just yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
I mean, now it's different if you have a mutual
understanding you're taking a day off because they're trying to
keep you healthy, that I think is a completely different story.
But I think everybody, when you first come to a
team for the first time, you got to show that
you willing to bust some tale. All right, come in
here and bust some tale, and then maybe you get
a favor or two if you need it, especially if
you're you know, if you need to stay healthy for
the long haul, because you've got extraordinary talent that your

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team needs out on the field.

Speaker 5 (01:44:37):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
So, I just don't know. If it was a fit,
I would loved it. But you know, right now, to me,
I think they're pretty good at widout. Could they use
somebody else? Well, yeah, I can always use it, But
I'm not sure that you know anybody they could really use.
You know, is any is that much better from an
availability standpoint that is going to be able to beat

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out who they already have. To me, I'd like to
see them go out and get a guy like Cook
and see if they can't make it a little bit
better with the offensive backfield. I think that will be
a dynamic option for them should they decide to go
that route.

Speaker 7 (01:45:11):
Yeah, I mean, I fully agree with you. I think
Cook does add that layer of like a dynamic, explosive
guy on this offense. And if you're a defensive coordinator
looking at this team, like who do you who are
you scared about? Who are you game planning around? There's
not that guy? Yeah, and I think you know, yeah,
you can say what you want about how de hopo
and messed with Patriots culture if you have him on
your team and you're a defensive opposing defensive coordinator. D

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Hops the guy that you're afraid of, right, He's the
guy you're planning around. And I think Kendrick Bourne and
Juju are a great wide receiver twos and they're great
to compliment a guy like d Hop and that opens
up the game from back to find them and get
them underneath and all that. So I think you do
feel better about this team with d Hop And that's
what kind of frustrated me when we weren't able to
land them, because now I'm looking at this team and yeah,
we got some good death, but who are you playing around?
Who's explosive on this team? You don't have that guy?

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
Right all right back to the phones. Jody's in Atlanta. Hey, Jody,
you're in the playbook.

Speaker 3 (01:45:58):
Hey, what's going on, guys?

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
How you doing?

Speaker 5 (01:46:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:46:01):
Doing good.

Speaker 3 (01:46:01):
I just had a couple of points I wanted to
bring up. One of the things that you guys talked
about in the first hour was Bill Belichick on the
hot seat. Personally, I do not want to see that whatsoever.

Speaker 20 (01:46:11):
I want to Uh, people don't talk about the flip.

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
Side of it of him breaking the record with another team.
I just don't want to see that, you know. I'd
rather stick out, even if we have a couple of
rough seasons, go ahead and solidify that. In Plus, nobody
knows more football than Bill Belichick.

Speaker 20 (01:46:29):
He's a terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:46:30):
GM if everybody that and I don't really like his
uh you know, draft sticks typically these last, you know,
a couple of seasons or so. But I mean, this
year was pretty good. But I just I don't want
to see him go anywhere until that record is broken.
I'd rather I'd rather just have him with us, you
know what I mean. And then as far as like

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everybody just is going ahead and just given the Jets
the pedestal of just like they're gonna be this stuff team.
Everybody also thought that the division with the Raiders and
the Chiefs and the Broncos, that was going to be
the loaded division, and he got the Chargers too, but
that didn't pan out that way. That's the vision ended
up not being that tough. Yeah, And I can totally
see that happen with the Jets just kind of falling through.

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I think Buffalo took a step back. So I mean,
anything can happen.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
Okay, any thoughts, guys one way or the other. I mean,
anybody want to agree, anybody want to disagree? What do
you think?

Speaker 11 (01:47:26):
What do you think, Charlie Well, I think this is
really the season that everything should come together for the
new era of the Patriots post Brady. We've gotten a
couple of years. I think they outperformed expectations by making
playoffs that first year with rookie mac Jones. But now
new offensive coordinator, and we got a bunch of leaders

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like Matthew Slater and David Andrews who are just tired
of losing and they want to get back to their
winning ways. So I think this is the season where
it all comes together.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
All right. I like that, Zach, what do you think?

Speaker 19 (01:48:00):
I agree with everything Charlie just said, and I think
this is one of the years post Brady where mac
Jones doesn't have too much of an excuse, where if
he doesn't perform to a high level, he doesn't have
as much of an excuse. This year, he has guys
he can throw to more than he has in the

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past couple of years. And I think this is one
of the years where we could see the most elite
Mac Jones, but he doesn't have an excuse to fall
back to if he doesn't perform this year.

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
Okay, maya any thoughts. You've been smiling through all of this,
so I know you got something there.

Speaker 4 (01:48:36):
I agree that I think mac Jones is probably going
to do better this year, also with a new offensive coach.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
Yeah, I think it's big. I think having that you know,
somebody who knows how he feels, knows how he acts,
knows his tendencies, you know, just knows him period.

Speaker 12 (01:48:52):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
I mean there is a working knowledge there between the
two even though they never coach played at Alabama together,
but there is still that familiarity, right.

Speaker 7 (01:48:58):
Yeah, And I think I think one thing that Jody,
sorry to cut you off there, but one thing you
touched on was that the division might not pan out
the way people expected, the way it did with the AFC. Westlester,
I can totally see that that's very feasible. I mean,
the Dolphins have struggled a lot with health issues over
the past couple of years. Aaron Rodgers, I mean, I
know he's great. I know he's got a great history,
But you'd be lying if you said he wasn't a
little crazy these days. He wasn't a little he wasn't

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a little off the rails these days, and you're lying
to yourself or you're lying to somebody else. But so
I think there's a very real chance that we could
see the Jets the Dolphins like not not play the
way that we think we expect him to be, not
be this juggernaut that we're all seeing them for. I
think you're right, there's a chance this division doesn't pan out.
I don't know if it's a high chance, but I
wouldn't say it's not existing. There is there is a
possibility this division is not what we think it is.

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And if that's true, and the Patriots played what we
think they can, there's a chance that they can blow
people away.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
Yeah, Jody, what do you think what else you got?

Speaker 3 (01:49:49):
Yeah, I was also gonna say, I mean, we all
know having a number one receiver is gonna be like
extremely helpful for the team. But the other flip side
to that is, I guess there's nobody that the defensive
coordinators are scared of. But that also gives Bill O'Brien
just like versatility to kind of game plan week to
week and the defense not necessarily gonna know which direction

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you're gonna go, because I mean, like credit to the
Cam Newton gear. I mean, that roster was terrible and
they still were able to squeak out that many wins.
I think it was seven wins that season. Yeah, but
I mean they actually have a NFL roster at the
receiving corpse.

Speaker 5 (01:50:30):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
I mean they may not be the number ones that
some of the other teams have, but they have NFL receivers.
So Bill o brian's gonna be able to scheme people open,
he's gonna be able to make plays and that maybe
other coordinators might not be able to do with those
kind of players. So I don't know, there's always that
upside to it too. It's just a little bit of
being able to camouflage, which's gonna do every week.

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
Right, Okay, so what do you think so you're a
little bit more optimistic in terms of the one loss
record as well? Let me ask you another question so
I can lead into the guys with this one. Do
you think coach Belichick is on the hot seat and
should he be?

Speaker 5 (01:51:07):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
I don't, I think.

Speaker 12 (01:51:09):
I mean, I think he's definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:51:10):
Under some pressure to perform, and I don't think they
can go anything under seven wins without him being really
on on the hot seat. If something terrible like that happens,
then you know, maybe, But I think Robert Craft wants
to give him the opportunity. I think Robert Craft I
also would like to have that title, you know, of
the most the winning his coach, and most of those

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wins coming with the Patriots organization, So you know, I
think they give him a couple more seasons to let
him try to write it out and kind of see
where they go from there. And also everybody's saying, you know,
get a new head coach. I just kind of say,
put a name to the claim, like who do you
want a new head coach who's going to be a
better football coach than Bill Belichick right now, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
Our media, our media here seems to think that Gerd
Mayo has been anointed as the next head coach. I'm
not convinced to that. And I love Drudd. Okay, I
love Girod. Let me let me be very clear about that,
and I think he mean an outstanding coach. I'm not sold.
Given the set of circumstances at the time that this
comes about, I'm not sold he's the guy, And quite frankly,

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I think the guy right now with a little bit
of an edge over everybody else is Bill O'Brien because
he's got the head coaching pedigree already. And if the
Patriots have the success or the kind of success I
think they could have this year, I could see it,
if you know, I could definitely see it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:29):
I mean offensive league and drawn Mao's defensive coach. Yeah, yeah,
I'm gonna go away from Bill. Are you going to
go with the same style?

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
That's you now you're talking. I could see Bill becoming
the head coach and Grod being his DC and getting
his started that way. I could definitely see that. And
I got to tell you, I think a lot of
people would be very happy with that.

Speaker 7 (01:52:48):
I certainly don't hit it, and I think, say what
you want about how Bill did as a GM and Hewson,
that's one thing. But Bill O'Brien as a coach in Houston,
he was great and he got that. Yeah, but about
that Texans team to the playoffs, but they probably shouldn't
have been there. I don't think they were that great. Yeah,
years that he got them to the playoffs with Deshaun
Watson and Hopkins while they were there, so I was like,
as long as you don't give up Brian the GM roll,
I'm happy with him as the head coach. He knows

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is the way around football. He's coached at many levels.
He definitely can win in this league. He can get
teams to the playoffs and frankly, a playoff Berth would
make a lot of people in Mainland happier right now.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
Yep, Jody, thanks for the time today, buddy.

Speaker 5 (01:53:21):
Absolutely, guys have going Yep, you got.

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
It, guys, let me just jump right into it. Then,
So hot seat is he on it? And why or
why not should he be on it? I'm gonna start
with you this time.

Speaker 4 (01:53:33):
I don't think he's necessarily on the hot seat yet,
but I do think he has a lot of pressure
on him because he's made some questionable decisions, like last
season having Matt Patricia as offensive coach.

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
Yeah, it's I mean, what was he thinking. I mean, look,
you try something, it doesn't work, then you have to
go to you know, you have to have plan B
and C ready to go. I don't think he had
playing B and C ready to go soon enough because
I don't think he expected to go as south as
quickly as it did. And I think that's the biggest

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issue that we kind of all have with the realization
that this was not a good idea. Right, Yeah, Okay,
what do you think.

Speaker 19 (01:54:11):
Zach, I think he is on the hot seat. He's
he's on the hot seat as a GM. As a coach,
he's one of the greatest coaches of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
Well, let me let me interrupt you. Then if this team,
you know, because of personnel, fails short of their expected
goal or their intended goal, could you see maybe this
team deciding all right, Bill, you're still the coach, but
we're gonna bring somebody into GM this thing.

Speaker 19 (01:54:37):
Yes, Yes, I think you know, like I was saying,
he's one of the greatest coaches of all time. He's
the reason why Tom Brady is where he is right now.
He fully created that whole Dynasty team. But as a GM,
he's made some questionable calls. You know, he's he's had
a couple of good signs, right like Juju and Hunter Henry,
but he's missed out on you know you said earlier,

(01:55:00):
Dalvin Cook and on d Hop. He didn't go aggressive
enough and he kind of pulled the plug there. And
I think, as the GM, wait the end of the season, right,
see how he does this season, and if the team performs,
if the team makes a wild card, wait another season,
see how he does. But if they miss out on

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the postseason this year, I think you take a serious
look at other GMS, but keep him as a head
coach because he's still a great head coach. He still
makes good calls in the field. It's just him as
a GM. I don't really see it very.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
Long, Charlie, what do you think?

Speaker 11 (01:55:35):
Well, I think Billichick as a GM this season, he
seems to have taken a step in the right direction,
bringing in O'Brien and bringing in Mike Giseki to hopefully
fix the tight end position. That do what John new
Smith couldn't provide us. We got tight ends, two tight
ends who can play. We have Bill O'Brien who was

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the offensive coordinator, and Gronk and Aaron Hernandez. We're going
through all of their success on the field. So I
think with the system that they have with Bill O'Brien
at the helm, Bill Belichick should be in line for
a good season, bounce back season for the Patriots. But
would Bill Belichick want to still head coach with and

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give up some of him?

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
I don't know. I don't think he would. I personally
don't think he would.

Speaker 11 (01:56:24):
No, Yeah, after getting rid of his job as GM
and head coach, I don't know if you'd want to
stick around.

Speaker 2 (01:56:30):
Yeah, you know, Hey, if I can't do both, I
don't want to do either.

Speaker 5 (01:56:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:34):
You know what, I can't see that I would blame him,
but you know who knows. I mean, this is we're
speculating here, and you know I tend to try to
stay away from that. But it's fun to speculate about
because I know it's been on the minds of fans everywhere,
especially with the way this team is taking a little
bit of a downward turn over the last three four years.

Speaker 5 (01:56:53):
Kurrent.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
What are your thoughts, man.

Speaker 7 (01:56:54):
I mean, yeah, I kind of agree with Charlie said
for the most point, and also what Zach said by
his GM duties. I mean, I think it's interesting. I
think the New England media tends to drum up this
notion of him being on the hot seat more than
it actually is. We're a little dramatic here in New England,
but I mean there's been rumors coming out, Oh Craft's
unhappy or yadiyada'sunhappy with Belichick. I think if being part,
you know, watching the Dynasty has taught us anything, we

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don't really know what's going on internally in the Patriots organization.
We can say we do, but for the most part
that's pretty well hidden. So I think this notion of
Crap being unhappy with him is a little overplayed. But
do I think that he should at least be a
question for how he's done into GM recently. Absolutely. I
think in terms of play calling, there's nobody out there better.
He's Bill Belichick. You can't fire Bill Belichick. He is

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the Patriots franchise. When you think of the Patriots franchise,
you think of Tom Bray, you think of Bill Belichick.
You don't fire that guy, you don't put that guy
in the hot seat. But when you take a look
at his GM duties recently in terms of not getting
d Hop and you know, I think when people were saying,
when you missed on d Hop, he put too much
incentives in the contract, it was too incentive space, Like
we have so much catnext year, we're missing on receivers

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cousin incentives. Like you gotta have some question marks about
the team. Want to see them addressed the tackle position.
They addressed it by getting Calvin Anderson. I don't know
if that's the answer. So I think, yeah, if this
team on the performs, you gotta look at it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
I think, you know, I think Calvin and Calvin Anderson's
particular instance, and I know's he's not playing right away,
didn't open with camp today because of a non football injury.
But they did not make the move that everyone, I
think most everyone expected them to make because they're happy

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with what they have on the offensive line. Now whatever
that says, it says. But I think they like Reef,
I think they like Anderson. I think they like you know,
the guys that can you know, you know, mix and
match at the position. I really do, and I think
that in itself is probably a signal to the team
in that locker room that you know, hey, guys, we

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got confidence in you.

Speaker 6 (01:58:50):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:58:51):
We want you to know we're not gonna go out
there and just you know, shop the farm for whatever
it comes across the way because we like who we have.
And I think that sometimes you need to do even
though maybe the better part of valories is the discretion
and you want to bring somebody in you to cover
yourself a little bit. But I think that's big in
terms of team building, right.

Speaker 19 (01:59:11):
Yes, I agree that it is big, and you should
have confidence in your team. But at the same time,
when you're when your offensive line performs as poorly as
it did last year.

Speaker 8 (01:59:20):
You still need you still need to make the adjustments.

Speaker 2 (01:59:24):
Fairpoint.

Speaker 19 (01:59:25):
He like, like Kuran said, he didn't in the off season,
and that's a mistake on his part. It is important
to have confidence, but you also need to understand that
you have to make adjustments when a part of your
team performs poorly.

Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
All right, fair point, guys, Who've got a couple of
minutes left here on the show, So I want to
wrap it up with what you think the current greatest
area of need on the roster is you know again, uh,
you know today and over the next couple of days
of practices. It's as I described already a couple times.
If someone joined in Lake, this is really glorified OTAs

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there's no pads, there's no real competition, there's no real
contact going on here. That won't start until next week
at some point. So this is just really a continuation
of what we saw transpire over the course of the
spring during you know, all the organized team activities. So
we kind of know, but do we really know where
do you identify the greatest area of need going into

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training camp. Let's let's start. Let's start with Charlie.

Speaker 11 (02:00:29):
Well, I'm looking at the roster, looking at the depth chart,
and we the biggest gap you see is safety, where
you lose Devin mccordy, and we haven't really Brian anyone
to fill that role, fill that role on the field,
but also in the locker room. Juan Bentley is taking
over as the signal caller on the field, but we

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still need that veteran presence in the locker room to
hold down the fort. And I think you could go
out and find someone who can do both in the
Devin mccorty type role.

Speaker 7 (02:01:00):
Just to say, Charlie, I think I completely agree with you.
I think we're gonna see a lot this year how
much not having mccordy is gonna impact this team. I mean,
he was the quintessential leader. And one thing about Devin
McCarty is he was never in the wrong place on defense.
That guy knew more football than almost anybody on the planet.
So I think the loss of him is gonna be
really noticeable when we look at that secondary this year.
So he's not an easy guyer of place, but yeah,

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we need to get that done.

Speaker 5 (02:01:23):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (02:01:24):
What about you?

Speaker 5 (02:01:25):
Then?

Speaker 7 (02:01:26):
I think it goes back to the conversation we just had.
I think offensive tackles our greatest weakness, and I think
you're right. He didn't make move because he's happy with
the personnel that he has. I'm not gonna sit here
and say I know more football than Bill Belichick because
that's just goofy. But to me, when I look at
that team, I look at the depth chart, look at
the tackles, Anderson Rife, whoever they're rotating McDermott out there,
I think I saw Bill Murray was getting starting reps
to day and training camp. I don't know. I don't

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know if I trust that. I don't know if I
trust that. I was I was hoping to see him
address that need in the first round. I'm very happy
the Christian Gonzalez pick, and then I was like, Okay,
we're gonna address it in the second round, and then
we did it, and that kind of had me asking
some questions, right, like is is this the right answer here?
Like should we just go with Keyong White? Should we
trust the position? I don't know. From the outside looking in,
I think tackle, it'll be interesting to see how it shakes, Okay, Zach.

Speaker 19 (02:02:11):
I agree with Charlie and Kerrent, and I think possibly
it could also be wide receiver. I mean, you're putting
your trust in Takwon Thornton, Booty and Juju, right, and.

Speaker 2 (02:02:23):
Juju we haven't mentioned him all show. It's Kaysehan Boody.
I want to really see if this guy, you know
it is worth making the pick, and can he surprise
people and be the expected, you know, expected big play
guy that you know they thought he was at LSU.

Speaker 19 (02:02:37):
Right, right, And we've seen multiple times in history that
players don't always make a smooth transition between college and NFL.
So how you know Boody performed in college, that's one thing.
How he performs in the NFL, it's another thing. NFL
in college are two different sports. And you're also putting
your trust in Juju, who has had a couple really
solid seasons, but it's also had a couple pretty rocky seasons.

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He's a pretty inconsistent player, So it's a little tough
to put a lot of trust into Juju and into
Booty Booty just because you haven't seen him in the
NFL yet. And I think you see at the end
of the season if your wide receivers were falling up short,
that's one of your main things you have to fix
in the off season. But there is also a very
real possibility that that's one of their big strengths at

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the end of the season as well.

Speaker 2 (02:03:24):
Maya Canna saved the best from last year.

Speaker 6 (02:03:27):
I agree with Zach.

Speaker 4 (02:03:27):
I do think that wide receiver is something that needs
to be like dealt with kind of we have Juju,
and I'm hoping that we use Kendrick Bourne more.

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's that's gotta
be a universal, like we get the guy, get the
guy the ball, let him show what he can do.
I mean, he was so upset last year, right, and
we talked about that earlier today. But you know, clearly
there were some issues there because he didn't like the
way it was going. But now that you got somebody
who we all considered legit in there doing it, all right,

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let's see what the guy's got. Does he have some
of the chops left? Can he play? Can he catch
canny score? Can he playmate? Can he do in all
of this stuff? Yeah, let's get the ball in his hands.
I'm with you on that one. Okay, guys, thanks, really
good work today, Thank you, very good work. All right,
that'll wrap it up for this edition of the play
of the Playbook for July. Our training camp edition days

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two and three will follow of course here at Jillette
over the next couple of days, and then contacts expected
next week. So if you can get a chance to
get out here, hey listen, it's free, but Checkpatriots dot
com check the website here to make sure you've got
the updated training camp schedule. If you're in the area,
to come out here because there's lots of things for
fans to do, and I think there was a crowd today.

(02:04:39):
We're run eight to ten thousand or so that was
out there, so it was a pretty good crowd for
day one, and I'm sure it's going to continue to
be that way throughout most days as well. I know
we're going to be back out there on Friday, right,
so you guys are probably all looking forward to that.
I am too, because we want to get a chance
to really see these guys play up close and personal.
Our next playbook show will be on August thirtieth, Wednesday,

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August thirty will be our final off season Patriots playbook
And the best part about this is we're going to
turn it over to the podcasters. If you do a
Patriots related pod Okay, I want you to contact Marine
Matt because I want you as a guest on the show.
We're going to We're gonna oh, you know, hey, right,

(02:05:22):
I want you, That's exactly right. But I know there
are a bunch of really good ones out there, and
I want this to be an opportunity to introduce you
and what it is that you do on the New
England Patriots to Patriot fans everywhere, and we'll be talking
about all the important things on this show largely coming
up after the preseason's over and right before the regular

(02:05:43):
season starts. So we'll know a month from now, really
a heck of a lot more than we know today.
But we should know what to expect with this Patriots team,
and so it's time to opine and let us know
what you think and how you feel about it. So
we're going to bring on podcast host. If you host
a Patriots podd I want to hear from you. Let
Marine Matt know.

Speaker 10 (02:06:03):
One other quick announcement is next week, year two of
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