Patriots Unfiltered 11/19: Bengals Preview, Vrabel Presser/Reaction, Team and League News/Updates

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The World's of veget podcast Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. Urie
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to Paul Parrillo talk if you're a local any library.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
I was there a couple of years ago and Christmas,
and I was like, fine, I mean, granted, like I'm
not playing in the game, but I'm not.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Tired of all.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
But as I don't know, this altitude thing doesn't really
bother me.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Good stuff. AFC East Patriots.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Run the East. Josh Allen at six touchdowns though, so
get ready in a few.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Oh you guys, and you're get ready be here. I
don't want any piece of Mahomes. A lot of people
had pieces of him and they're beaten them.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
You want to play Mahomes in a wildcard game? I
don't know, Like just like that, you're one and done
in all this great juju that we have this season.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
So you've already lost the game.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Now you want the number one scene, right, and you
guys are afraid who's wanting to All of.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
A sudden Baltimore sneaks in or Kansas City sneaks in,
and now you're playing one of those teams, and.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Now we're going to lose. All season. We're being told
you got an easy schedule, easy schedule. Then you get
to the playoffs and you want more easy schedule. Yes,
you know who taught me that, Fred Kurk, not me,
not me. I take on all comers. Oh yeah, this
is Patriots Unfiltered.

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For deals, buy a Toyota dot com. All right, welcome
the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here at Jillese Stadium,
and it's Evan, it's Paul. No, wow, not Paul. It's
deuced to me Alex and Matt and the booth. Paul
is out. He actually traveled to New York today to
appeal the Jamar Chase uh non appeal. He wants to

(01:51):
Chase to be able to play. He can't believe that
the league upheld this.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Well, I know that it wasn't. Actually that's not the
president wasn't yet.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
Right, so right, you were saying that actually sneezed, and
it was it was snots not spits.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
But he's they're setting a real precedent with Jaen Carter.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
So now I guess this if according to Paul, now
this is the precedent, so the next time they have
to do it right because the precedent has been set. Anyway,
we kid. Paul is out though he's got some stuff
to take care of today, So it's the three of us.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
I think Alex might be joining us a little later.
I'm going to stay with you, Fred, I'm not going
to go to the locker room. We don't want to
leave leave you alone for you wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Be the first time I've done solo before.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Everyone loves f you.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
I've done so low before.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Have you thought what do you do?

Speaker 5 (02:39):
I was thinking about Nicetuff Christian ar can't have me
on last night, and I just wonderedim, like, how does
how do you do a solo?

Speaker 2 (02:45):
And Joe Murray does it? How do you do a solo?

Speaker 3 (02:47):
It's just stream of consciousness and like you're just sitting
there all day thinking about like I could talk about that.
You repeat yourself a lot.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
You need a good producer so that you can talk
at least have the producer talk a little bit. Yeah,
you know, So it's not completely.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Just overwhelming to me.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Well, and our show, it's not too bad because you know,
you've got the callers and you've got the emailers, so
they keep you company. Sure, but I've done solo before. Yeah,
that's at it's tough though, like you know, especially when
you're doing a four hour show every night.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yeah, it's tough with the you know, the state of radio. Unfortunately,
like they don't they don't have the budget for a
second chair on these night shows. So now all these
night shows are so.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, Okay, so today is our turn
the page day and Rabel what time is he today?
One ten? So we'll go to Mike Rabel Live when
he does his thing at one ten a little Lakes.
Every week, it's a little later, a little later practice
getting ready for that Monday night football game.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
I think pulling back a little bit on the schedule generally,
I think you're trying to make the most of it.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Late by a week.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
I think the team is feeling the late by, and
I think they're trying to shorten practice but still have
the ability to be you know, full speed in practice,
but maybe just not for as long because I don't
think they want to lose the speed periods as they
call them.

Speaker 6 (04:14):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
So so we do turn the page on Wednesday, and
this week when we turn the page, we are looking
at the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Let me just cross off.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
And according to Evans' game plan that I just read
that you haven't posted, Look, you're posting it tomorrow, little
sneak preview. You're not very high on their defense.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
It's hard to be.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
We were just talking about this on Catch twenty two
because Alex and I normally try to come up with
some things that the opponent could do that would give
the Patriots problems and be somewhat balanced. But with this
Bengals defense, especially without Trey Hendrickson, it's it's hard. Like
there's really they got nothing. They according to Devo, they
might be the worst defense in the history of football,

(05:03):
and that's not an exaggeration.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
So why did they get rid of Amorano or whatever
his name is, lou Anarumo?

Speaker 2 (05:10):
So I'm a rusting it was close.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
So they were bad last year on defense, but they've
gone from bad to worst, right, So they were on
twenty seventh in Dvoa, I want to say, last year,
and now they're dead last this year. So he got
scapegoaded last year for attrition talent attrition that was already
starting on that roster. And then they hired Golden who's
from the college ranks and he's come from Notre Dame

(05:34):
to be their defensive coordinator now, and now their defense
is even worse and the close defense pretty good.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, with lou.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
So good news for the Patriots. Trey Hendrickson isn't going
to be playing. He hasn't played in a few games,
but he's not going to be playing. So I mean,
if if the Bengals do score some points, there's a
possibility that even if it's a shootout, we could even
win that.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
But no, I think that's what he do. You don't
want to happen. You just don't want to get into
a shootout with these guys. That's why, you know. To me,
it's it's about.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
Stopping t Higgins now and Chase Brown and those elements.
But look, Joe Flacco has been around a while, and
if you make it easy on him, he's gonna he's
gonna carve me out.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
I just got a feeling that, you know, like Paul
said yesterday, he is the kind of guy that later
in his career, he'd have these like stretches where oh,
he's the old Joe Flacco again, and then he falls off.
We might have seen first signs of that last week
and hopefully this week, because it's not like you can't
game plan against him because he can only hurt you

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one way, and that's vertically really right and.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Well, and they don't run the ball either.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yeah, so like traditionally, like with Chase Brown, so as
it's been the biggest kind of confusing part to me
about this Bengals team is that they actually have a
pretty good running back and Chase Brown, and their efficiency
numbers are pretty good running the ball. They just don't
run the ball. So they throw the ball almost seventy
percent of the time. It's number one in the league

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in terms of pass rate number, you know, thirty second
in the league in terms of run rate. So they
don't really run the ball at all, which is surprising,
just because I think that with Flacco, you would think
they'd go under center more, they'd run the ball more.
They take a little bit off of them. His biggest
issues right now are just when he gets under pressure.
He's been one of the worst quarterbacks in the league

(07:22):
under pressure, probably because he can't get away from it.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
But if you put.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Pressure on him, it has been ugly. Yeah, if he's
kept clean though, he's been a top ten passer in
the league with the with the Bengals, not with the Browns.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
With the Bengals, and that's what sets it up interesting
to me. But Williams out how do they generate some
pass rush? Did a little bit of a dive earlier
today about just some of their pass rush stats. But
I think the hits are starting to pile up on
Joe Flacco. Last week he got really drilled. And you know,
anyone who's over forty knows it takes a while for
your body to heal, and you know, just one week

(07:55):
to get ready.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
We'll see.

Speaker 5 (07:56):
But I think it's like you said, Fred, I think
it's easy just when your hey drop back to Jamar,
Chase Thorth, to t Higgins, you know those that those
are great players, and you know some of the catches
that you've seen from t Higgins over this that's just been.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Like right, So, in the games that the Bengals have
been able to produce offensively, is it just because of
pure talent?

Speaker 4 (08:17):
Kind of I've kind of thought that way for a
couple of years now. Honestly, you know, they they run
a lot of three receiver, they run a lot of shotgun,
they don't run a lot of motion, they don't put
the quarterback under center, they don't run the ball. So
like they they really get away with the fact that
they have that three headed monster Burrow, Chase Higgins, and
how two out of the three aren't there. And I

(08:38):
actually like Chase Brown's a good player, Like I'd probably
put him as like at least three and a half
if not four in that offense, and so they've have
a lot of talent. I've never been blown away by
Zach Taylor's scheme, Like I've never thought that they come
in and throw a lot atches schematically and confuse the
crap out of you. I don't think it's that kind
of offense. But t Higgins a really good player still

(09:00):
even without Jamar Chase and Yoshivahs is like sneaky, and
I think that he's the biggest thing with Yoshivas is
he's a big slot. So if you know they line
him up inside against Marcus Jones, that's going to be
a size mismatch in the favor of the Bengals. So
that's the one thing when I look at this matchup
from the Bengals offense perspective, is I think it is
important to shadow receivers in this game and make sure

(09:23):
that you keep Higgins in Yoshiva's away from Marcus.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Put Carlton Davis on on Yeshivas and and Gonzales on Higgins,
and you know, try try Man on Man and I mean,
and put the pressure on Flaco might.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
I mean, I might flip it.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
I mean, I think both those guys are capable of
covering those guys. But I just I think with the
type of player vertically, the t Higgins is double double
him with Davis double him necessarily. But Davis, you know,
has the size and you know, the downfield ability, whereas
Yoshivas is an athletic guy and having Gonzalez's athleticism, maybe
to match that.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
A little bit but a.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Little bit more swivel Hills to play the slot a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Loose hips and flip the hips and and but it's uh,
I mean, no Jamar Chase is just it changes everything.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
So no Jamar Chase, no Hendrickson, no Burrow, but no
Milton Williams for the Patriots, what this is going to be. Well,
I mean they got through last game pretty much without him,
but what does it mean in this game without Milton Williams.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
I mean pressure on Flacco.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
That's you know, you want to get pressure on Flacco
and Milt Williams Christian Barmore are.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Right there one two.

Speaker 5 (10:28):
You know something interesting though, I thought was Barmore I
think leads the league and pressures, but get the Patriots
are pretty average their eighteenth and four man pressure, so
you know, there's just some disconnects with the defense. But
good opportunity for them, I think to to you know,
maybe tee off a little bit, Maybe give Elijah Ponder
some some opportunities off the edge, see what he can do.
You'd love to get an edge or you know, get
a little bit of a lead and allow some of

(10:50):
those younger guys to play.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Maybe you can.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
Protect Barmore a little bit because he's even more vital
now without Milton Williams in there.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
And you know, one other thing on the other side
of the ball.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
Tom Pellisara reporting that Stevenson might be back this week's
targeting with his toe injury. So okay, I think that
would be huge you know, I just I can't help
but look at the Bengals with Burrow and how set
up they were when they went to the Super Bowl
and felt like our windows open. And you know, now
Levin is talking about I mean, I don't even think
there's really an injury at running back. This is like
kind of how they want to do it and what

(11:21):
are they doing wrong? Because I feel like they are
a few years ahead of the Patriots in terms of
I know they're different teams, but having the quarterback and
feeling like, all right, we've got something going here. It
feels like they spent so much time trying to solidify
the offensive line that they kind of let the rest
of it go to crap.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Well that's the thing. You know, the Bengals have been
notoriously I don't want to say cheap, because you know,
you don't want to call any team that, but I don't.
I think that they're at a disadvantage because of their
market and their owner or the r owner doesn't have
deep pockets. He's not like an oil man like Jerry Jones.
And you know, I think that you kind of touched

(11:58):
on it right there. A lot of people never thought
they were going to be able to keep t Higgins,
let alone Jamar Chase, but they kept both of them. Yeah,
and did they do that to the detriment of the defense?
Where And I don't like, I'm not an expert on
their talent, but is is there other than Hendrickson? Are
they just really talent deficient on defense?

Speaker 4 (12:16):
And they have been for a couple of years now.
Dj Turner is like a solid corner. He's having a
good year for them. But there's really nothing else to
the right home about. You know, just texting this week
with our buddy Trags who's now covering the Bengals in Cincinnati,
Like he was talking about their linebackers and how bad
their linebackers have been all year. So they just don't
have a ton of talent on defense. They've drafted high

(12:38):
on defense. You know, Jamar Stewart was a first round pick.
He's now on ir and he wasn't playing well before that.
He also had that weird holdout. Yeah, so they I
think the way that the Bengals have been built they
is a draft and developed team. And the drafting after
the Borough Chase Higgins, you know, home runs three in

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a row there, their drafting has kind of fallen off.
And if you're not going to go out and spend
big in free agency like the Patriots did this past
offseason to you know, up the floor of the team again,
then it's going to be really hard. And so defensively,
they've just kind of fallen apart.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
I mean, I had a relative that used to be
a coach at the Bengals and he said, you know,
this is years ago, but the end of the season,
they'd hand the coaches clipboards they go scout. Yeah, they
barely had a personnel. Now that's changed, but they, like
I said, they don't have the liquidity that a lot
of these other teams have.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
But I think that they've drafted well outside of this pocket.
You know, this has been a rougher stretch for them,
but you know, you can't do much better than Burrow,
Higgins and Chase like that. Those three picks are home
runs and they just haven't really been able to build
on that. And I think most importantly, you know, D's
talking about the offensive line, like they haven't really fixed

(13:58):
the offensive line. Burrow's constantly hurt playing behind that offensive line. Yeah,
and you know that's that's a big part of it,
is the trenches and what they've been able to do
is I get.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
That, but the kind of injuries that Burrows had, one
of them happened in preseason last year. The other turf
tow doesn't happen because of your line.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
Really, I mean, but he's dropping back to pass a
million times, I know, and there's a lot on him,
and he's under siege, and it just I think it's
just adds up. Like I don't know if it's like, oh,
there is this Drew Bledsoe like hit where he got
cleaned out and and you know that sidelined him. But
over the course of this of a career, you know,
when you're behind a bad offensive line, it's what happened

(14:37):
to Andrew Luck right.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Like, and you just came he was, he got pounded.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
You keep getting hit and hit and hit then eventually
catches up to you.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
I wonder what they're going to do this offseason.

Speaker 5 (14:46):
I mean, this is you know, Burrow might come back
at the end and maybe he gives them a little
bit of a spark. But I think the bigger picture,
you're looking at the Bengals team that doesn't really still
seem like they're going to be in the conversation of
the favorite.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
I mean, we talked about it a couple of weeks
ago about what would it take to get Burrow out
of Cincinnati, and I said, you know, get him, you know,
get Joe Cool to New York. But they were talking
about it yesterday on the radio, like what would it
take to get him out? And where would he go?
Would he go to.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
LA in terms of like trade compensation.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
And would it ever? Could it ever happen? I mean,
you say, oh no, the Bengals would never do it,
But we've seen bigger trades happen, whether it's the NBA
or you know, all over the place. So in these days,
I wouldn't rule anything out.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
I'd have to ask out. Yeah, yeah, well he's from Ohio.

Speaker 6 (15:34):
And you're not.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
They're not going to willingly trade him. But if he
asks out, he asks out.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
And everybody knows what the Bengals are.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
And to your point, Fred, it felt like they had
some rookie contract guys and then they kind of reached
critical mass. They had to pay a few guys and
now they're like, all right, well that's kind of it for.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
A little while. They I mean, the running game is
is that to me?

Speaker 5 (15:53):
When you've got you can't really pass block and you're
getting your quarterback killed, like really investing in the run
game and really trying to fix that and give having
him some support, you know, And I just I look
at now, I look at teams like this and say,
you know, what can the Patriots learn from how this
is unfolded for them?

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Of course, any team that loses a guy like Joe Burrow, it's.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
Going to be bad, but right now it just feels
like it's beyond bad. And when you look at worst
defense of all time, I mean they got they got
a lot of work to do.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Yeah, I think it's you know, you have to continuously
add like you can't just get complacent and say, oh, well,
we have this ten year window because we have this
franchise quarterback, and no matter what we do, we're just
always going to have a chance if we have Joe Burrow,
because things happen, He gets hurt, his playmakers get hurt,
like whatever, Like you know, things kind of fall apart,

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and Burrow.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Doesn't strike me as the kind of person who's complacent,
Like I think he wants he wants a ring.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Right well, And that's what I mean.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
I mean He's probably looking at this defense feeling like
Christ like I'm.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Years aa he was lobbying hard for Jamar Chase and
he hes right, you know, I.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
Mean there's an element too of those three kis are awesome,
and so they're gonna get you to a certain level
of competence on offense, but protecting the quarterback, building the
team for the long haul.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
For a playoff push, being able to you know, do
numerous things.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
It's it's you know, I mean, yeah, they'll they'll win
some games chucking it up to chasing Higgins, but is
it going to be enough when they get against the
good teams down the stretch. I mean, I look back
at their defense, went to Jesse Bates was there so right,
he was one of their guys, Hendrickson and who was
the other the other bookend defensive end that they had
that was good for a while, Sam Hubbard, Yeah, he

(17:29):
you know, I think he retired, Logan Wilson got traded.
I mean they did have some pieces. It felt like
they had a moment where it was yeah, I mean.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
Those drafts right like the twenty you know when it
Burrows think was twenty twenty, So like from my twenty
to twenty twenty two. I think they drafted Higgins a
year before they drafted Burrow, and they drafted Burrow and
then they drafted Chase. Yeah, and I think the one
day now that you could say about the Bengals and
not to do this whole thing again, but they're probably
gonna have a top ten pick in the draft next year.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Right, so, like why receiver?

Speaker 4 (18:00):
You know they'll be a it's a great defense draft
this year. There's a lot of pass rush in this draft, Like,
so maybe they have a home run draft. They get
Burrow back healthy, and then all of a sudden, it's
you know, they're back in the mix. Because I do
think with Burrow is healthy, they're a contender in the
AFC until he's not.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Oh yeah, so if they.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
Can hit on some talent on defense and get him back,
you know upright in twenty six and they're gonna be
in the mix.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
I mean, I don't know how Demetrius Night's been to him.
I kind of liked him coming out second round linebacker pick.
Not great.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Yeah, him and Barrett Carter have really struggled. Barret Carter
in particular has rookies.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
Yeah, it's if you if you swapped out the Patriots
linebackers with two rookies.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
You probably see similar comment.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Yeah, and Logan Wilson was already losing time to those
guys and that's why he got traded. And then those
guys are not any better, but they're younger, so they're
trying to develop them so they're playing. Like I just
I think the other thing with the Bengals is like,
would why would you bring Burrow back? And I know
he wants to play, and I know he's a competitor
and all that kind of stuff, but like you're going
to bring him back at like three and eight or

(19:03):
three and nine to do what to win games?

Speaker 2 (19:06):
That's going to hurt your draft pick.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yeah, But and like it just I think it's good
for the culture.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
I guess. I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
I mean, your best player wants to play.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
I think I think I think there's everybody knows that
he wants.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
To But but and he's going to play like like
nothing's holding him back. I think that's that's good for
the culture. I if I was a fan, i'd like
to see.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
If I was in the front office, I would totally
agree with Evan if like, you know, don't. But as
a coach and wanting to understand where this team's mentality is,
there is some value to me as a coach. Not
looking forward to the draft or playoffs or any of that,
but you know, getting a chance to see what's this
team look like when our guy is back under center.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
If I was Duke Tobin and he comes back and
they win, Like, do.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
They play any teams down the road that are factors
with us? Like, I mean they love him to play
spoiler for us.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
I mean, they probably played Baltimore and Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
There you go, look real quick.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
But I mean, I'm sure, so maybe maybe we should.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Be right exactly going to the Patriots side of the ball.
You mentioned Stevenson as a possibility. What about who?

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, no word on who. We don't know.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
Ye well yeah, Raybel wasn't asked about him. He sounded
optimistic about Booty and Stevenson. Yeah, or at least that
they're going to practice and and we'll see.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Because I'm just thinking, you know, you when as soon
as somebody says, oh, the linebackers aren't good, I think
tight ends, Yeah, tight ends over the middle.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Well, I would say the biggest thing is running backs
with them. They've had absolutely terrible time covering running backs.
Ganewell had a big game against them.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
So you know, if Henderson can get loose a little
bit in this game, sure, Jack.

Speaker 5 (20:41):
West, uhje, but it would be nicely walking from I'm
not going to pick on Jack West.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, Travon Henderson is the type of player that has
given them problems. You know, Gan Will had two touchdowns
last week and like eighty eighty receiving yards, so that
that backs out of the backfield have been a big
issue for them.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Josh McDaniels licking his chops this week.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
I hope, So, I hope.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
So this is the type of game that I feel
like is the most fun for him because like you
can just put this defense into a pretzel.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Right. They have a lot of young players playing.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
You watch their film and there's coverage bus left and
right because they don't know how to handle things, like
you know, we're gonna motion here, We're going to release
out of a bunch there, We're gonna go three by
one and then we're gonna distribute it like this, and
like the Bengals are just like running all over the place.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
Held always get a sense when some goods coming when
the defense is all looking at Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
Yeah, you know the amount of times I almost like
screenshot the amount of times I saw palms up on
the film from the Bengals defense, being like I thought you.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Had them, you know, and real quick.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
Fred, to your point, I mean, I think Patriot fans
should should want Burrough to come back and play well
because their remaining schedu will be at Ravens at Bill's
versus Ravens at Dolphins, to Cardinals and Browns.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
But yeah, three of those games are huge for us.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
They're gonna have some impact on the Let's go, Joe,
Let's go, come on, Joe.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
It's also like you know, long game, like I would
not like the Bengals to have a great draft pick.
So you know, as a Patriots fan, it's it's double trouble. Like, right,
if I'm Duke Tobin and Joe Burrow comes back and
wins like three games at the end of the year,
now I'm picking eleventh instead of third, I'm gonna lose
my mind.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
There's gonna be a lot of jockeying at that, like
top ten picks this year. I mean, Patriots have been
in that mix the last couple of years and we
play that game of like.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Where are they going to end up? What's it going
to look like?

Speaker 5 (22:26):
But yeah, this year there's quite a few teams with one,
two wins, three wins that probably gonna be in that
mix for that those top picks.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
All right, if five pass five hundred is the hotline
podcast at Patriots dot com is the email address again,
we'll have Mike Rable at about one ten today. Evan
will be going to the locker room. Dude will be
hanging around. Alex might be coming in a little later.
Paul is out for the day. He's got some things
to attend to. So we'll we'll just have to, you know,

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carry on without him, carry on or carry car.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
We'll just have to carry on, not carry on, carry on.
One last stat this was chupped out.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
They given up six hundred and fifty rushing yards in
the last three years, and most of it was the
previous two.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Last week, I think they gave up one hundred and ten.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
But like they can't tackle ramondra Stevenson coming back at
a good time to work him in, and you know,
I'm just excited to get him back. Now that Henderson
has some juice and just to see if they can
kind of figure out how do how do we manage
these two guys, how can it work?

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Well, what's the rotation that's going to be best for
this team?

Speaker 5 (23:25):
Because you know, I continue to believe that the Patriots
are really going to make a push here in December
into the playoffs. They need ramondros Stevenson and Henderson to
be playing well and to support drake Man.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
And it would be nice to have a game where,
like the running game is consistent. Yeah you know, I'm
talking about explosives. I'm talking about over four yards to carry, yeah,
you know.

Speaker 5 (23:46):
And that's what's like kind of it's a little frustrating
because you see, you know, people on social media will
post like, you know, Trayvon Henderson's average running averages up
to this now, and it's like, well.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yeah, yeah, he had two humongous runs.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
Like can we really you know, can we all acknowledge
like averages and that stuff, Like, yes, he had.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Some explosive plays, but there's.

Speaker 5 (24:03):
Still a lot to be desired from this running game
and you know, finding that consistency.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
That being able to run when they know you want.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
To run, Yeah, I thought doubt you know they did
that a little bit against the Jets, which was encouraging.
You know, the end of the game situation where they
ran the ball on third and three and goal line,
you know, things like that. But you know, I keep
going back with Henderson and Stevenson to Montgomery and Gibbs
in Detroit, Like that's the I don't know if that
they are that both that good, yeah, but like that's

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the vision of like how to use both of them together.
Is that one is you know, you play about fifty
to fifty percent of the snaps and once kind of
year between the tackles guy and one's sort of your
home run hitter, and you mix and match it and
you go that direction, and you know, Detroit. I don't
think Detroit is at all disappointed that Montgomery plays a
little bit. Like he's a good player for them, and

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I you know, Gibbs is awesome. And I think Gibbs
not having the whole workload on his shoulders helps give
in the long run because I think he's fresh more often.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
That's where I always end up in all this you
know debate, is Henderson overtaking it? He's the number one.

Speaker 5 (25:07):
I'm like, guys like you need two guys and that's
the ideal thing. It's you know, it's not in a
perfect world that Trayon Henderson is going to carry the
ball every single time for the rest of the season,
like he's great, But I think the offense as a
hole and both of those players will be better, including
Drake May if they find some balance and they what.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
If you have some packages where both of them are
they feel the same time you have like split them
out a pony or whatever. Yeah, the pony, why not?
You know, you know, two tight ends sets, you have
two running back sets.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Let's go sets very much back pony sets down down.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
I just I and part of me is and this
is probably the wishy washy fan of like Hope, but
like there's part of me that's like, man, is c J.
Dupre gonna come in and be like a real legit
blocking tight end to help maybe unlock some of this
running game. I mean that might just be. It might
be as simple as someone wanted to sign him and
they didn't, and they promoted him and they wanted to
keep which I do think is a sign that this
place wants to save guys that they That.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Reminds me about what's the deal with Swinson?

Speaker 5 (26:07):
Yeah, that's the same That was the same thing. That
was what Mike re kind of intimated. I don't know
if there's ever a firm of h Yeah, it seems
like to sign him.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Both him and did Pre were in the same boat
that there was.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
Somebody either had eva I mean, either one could have
been elevated, right they still Yeah, it.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Sounded like it was fifty three man roster poaching going
on that bullet both those guys. I I don't really
see a path for Swinson to get playing time because
you have Landry and Chase on aren't going anywhere. Those
guys are going to play Ponders already trying to like
knock on the door and they can't really find him
snaps very consistently. They already don't play, and Ferny Jennings,

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they already don't really play Tavai on the edge. So
like Swinson's kind of like your sixth guy right now
at that position. Do Pre I think there's more of
a path, Yeah, because their tight ends have been in blocking.
It's been up and down for both Henry and Hooper.
Hooper's a little bit better, uh, you know, going into
draft season all that stuff, like getting like a really

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good all around tight end to kind of replenish that position,
but also just somebody that is a little bit of
a better blocker as well. I mean that I think
I think Drake May likes throwing the tight ends, and
I think that the tight end is a huge, huge
part of how teams are drawing up schemes these days.
So I would love to see the Patriots do that.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
I mean, those kind of thoughts going through my head
just watching some of the Bengals are playing all three
tight ends.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, they're playing a.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
Team tight ends, but you know, guys like you know,
I know, obviously he's a hell of a player, but
somebody like Tyler Warren is like now becoming one of
the more valuable chess pieces because of how well he
blocks and how he can flex out and catch the
football too. And so everybody's going to tight end. They're
going big, uh, And if you have an inline tight
end that can block and catch passes from that spot,

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it's a really really like it might even be equal
to like having like a great outside receiver.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
At this point, the defense is, you know it, they're
so reactionary and cyclical in this league, you know, offense
makes an adjustment and then defense suggests you know, I'm
talking about league wide. Yeah, and right now, like you said,
you know, uh, teams are you know, starting to get
bigger on offense and trying to play a little bit

(28:22):
more bullyball, and defenses are having to adjust.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
It was a good point of conversation on NFL Live
yesterday with Orlowsky. They were going through some of the
contenders and saying what might their flaw be, and Orlosky
is point out that the Patriots play a ton of nickel,
and his flawed for the Patriots was if a team
really commits to running the ball, And it goes back
to a little bit what Evan was saying, you know
yesterday that you know, that could be a flaw where

(28:46):
they're not they don't really have the heavy personne I
mean they're a huge nickel team.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
That was part of the research.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
I mean their third and amount of nickel twenty eighth
and base twenty first in dimes.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Okay, so the third and nickel, but what is the gap?
Because most teams play majority of nickel these days, don't they? Yes, yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
Think that Seattle plays like the most I said this
on cash point two. I like Dan. I think I
respect his opinion a lot. I think it's the total
opposite of what he said.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, because that's what I realized I was saying, because
you said on second time.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
I would be so much more paranoid about a team
that's throwing the ball on first and second down to
the Patriots then running the ball. Right, If you want
to come in here in a playoff game in the
wildcard round and try to beat the Patriots running the football,
I say, be my guest, because what you're going to
do two things. You're running into a strength of their
defense one and two you're going to keep the score down.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Right, So like you're telling me that.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Drake Ma can win the playoff game scoring twenty four points,
Like I would take that all day, every day.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
So it just but that's the league right now. The
league is a.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
It's a game of chicken, Like can you stop the
run well enough out of Nickel that you don't need
to put an extra linebacker on the field. And if
you do put an extra linebacker on the field, can
we throw out of twelve against your linebackers?

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Like that?

Speaker 4 (29:58):
That's the chess match, right now that's happening. Which is
why it's making the tight end so valuable. Is because
if you get teams into base, well now they're going
to throw against base, but you still need to put
the twelve personnel on the field to get them to
put base on the field. So like if you don't,
if you can't run the ball against nickel and run
them out of nickel, then why would they put the

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extra linebacker on the field. And to this point, at
least the Patriots, they're not a great nickel run defense,
but they're good enough that they don't need to overreact
to putting the linebacker on the field. And I think
that that's the whole thing. Like if you get them
to blink and then now you have Taviay, Gibbons and
Splaine all on the field because they can't stop the run,

(30:42):
well now they're going to throw against you.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Speaking of trends, Barton Poland writes in on May and
the lack of three hundred yard passing games. Passing numbers
are down across the entire league in recent years. It's
partly the way defenses play now, but also the kickoff
rule changes the average starting field position based jumped from
around the twenty to around the thirty in the last
ten to fifteen years. Naturally, it's much harder to reach

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three hundred yards when offenses face consistent short fields. I
honestly don't even know if we'll have a forty five
hundred yard pass of this season in seventeen games, where
when there were seasons with sixteen games where multiple qbs
hit five thousand, and obviously we are often leading in
the fourth quarter, so we don't have to pass the ball.
So he's kind of justifying why Drake hasn't had any

(31:29):
three hundred yard passing games.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Played some good defenses too.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
I mean, I think you look at the records of
the team they played, that's pretty bad, but the quality
of the defenses he played have not been terrible.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Well. He brings up a good point though, I mean,
the average starting drive it's about the thirty, about the thirty.
If that's like five more yards than it was before
the new kickoff rule, then do the math that's five
yards less, you know, eight nine yard you'll multiply that. Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Mean Drake's on pace.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
He leased the league right now passing yards on pace
for about forty three hundred, so it's not to Bart's point,
it's not. You know, you're not going to see a
five thousand yard passer in the league. But I think
the kickoff thing, not to get on a whole tangent
about the kickoff thing, I think this is a problem
that the field is shortened because the offenses are too good.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
So like now you know they have to go like
twenty five yards and you're in field goal.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
Right, because it's not only are the offenses better, but
the kickers are a lot better too. So like if
you're the Cowboys, you could start in field goal range
for Brandon Aubrey on a lot of these drives because
you're starting at like you're thirty five, you know, and
like you so, what do they need fifteen yards to
put Aubrey in field goal range? Especially inside? So I
think that as much as I liked at the kickoffs

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are back in the game and they're getting these returns,
it is a little bit problematic in terms of like
there's a lot easier to go on a scoring drive,
not necessarily a touchdown drive, but just to get into
field goal range at the end of the game or
in a two minute scenario, you need like two first
downs to be in field goal range, like the game
winning drive that Drake mayled in Buffalo. I think he

(33:05):
had two. There was two first downs, and it's like
it should be harder than that, right, Like it should
be a little bit harder.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Let's see what Michael in Texas has to say on
the hotline. What's up, Michael, Hey, thanks.

Speaker 7 (33:20):
For taking my call. It So, I've got a bit
of a concern with the offensive play, and I'm really
just curious if it justified concern or if it's just pessimism.
I did hear it brought up once before by Christian
in La, but maybe his insufferable nature led to more
animated responses from everybody and it was more of a

(33:43):
response to Christian himself than a concern. But it does
feel like throughout the game, the other team's scoring, then
they come in hot, they stay hot, and then I
don't want to say that they let off the gas,
but maybe it is more of Maybe it was Evan
who coined it as them being cute and that lending

(34:05):
itself to them not just closing out a game, you know,
for example, the Jets game. I feel like that game
should have been closed out before it hit halftime, but
it wasn't because something was happening. Maybe they were getting cute.
Things just weren't clicking right.

Speaker 8 (34:19):
But do you guys feel that that's justified at all,
that they are getting hot at a point and then
throughout the game they're starting to kind of teeter off
and letting the other game come in or is it
more pessimism.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Thanks Mike.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot going on.

Speaker 5 (34:36):
I think part of it is you've had one running
back really the last few weeks that you you know,
it's kind of all on Drake, and it's also a
young team.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Like I just I think there's going to be some incase.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
But I think there were a few games where they
did take their foot off the gas. But I mean,
teams have adjusted in the second half, and that's been
a kind of a mile concern.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
There's anecdotally, there's evidence of that. You know, the Atlanta game,
they'd score three points after halftime. Now they lost Kishan
Booty at halftime basically, and then they were down Stevenson
and Booty the rest of the way and that was
in game. Like it's one thing to practice all week
like that, it's another thing to lose your starting X
receiver in game and then have to recover from that

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against a good defense in Atlanta. I just and maybe
this is just optimism to his pestimism, Like if they
have to keep scoring, I have confidence that they're going
to find a way to keep scoring. And like I
don't know if they have to keep scoring against the Jets,
Like I know we would all love to see them
blow doors on the against the Jets and score fifty.
I get that, but like they didn't really need to,

(35:37):
so like when they when if they have to, if
they get pushed and they have to score into the
thirties to win a game, like I still think that
they could do it.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Yeah, I it'd be interesting to see it, because what
we are seeing this year is like on these third
and gotta have it plays. This is a different team
than we've the one we've seen the last three years,
or like they're making deals plays those they're making those
big plays. So if pushed, if they had to rev
it up in the third and fourth quarter, yeah, you know,

(36:07):
could they do it. I think they've got what it
takes to do it.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, that's what I mean.

Speaker 5 (36:11):
That's what I'm watching for down the stretch and into
the playoffs. Is you know, Drake may and got to
have it back and forth late in the game. You know,
need a drive those You know, we've had a few
of those moments this year, but but not a lot really.
I mean, it's been kind of like the Patriots have
been a couple of steps ahead and they've been able
to stay a couple of steps ahead, but they haven't
had that.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Right you're down in the fourth quarter, here we go.

Speaker 5 (36:32):
I mean, then it goes back to what I said
going into the season, like, is Drake clutch? That's you know,
I mean for all the MVP and everything. I mean,
he's had some clutch moments. But you know, we'll see.
I think they're really gonna have to get the best
out of him against these best teams down the stretch.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Nick writes in from Ohio, and by the way, if
you need dry wall in Ohio, Fayette Drywall one of
the area's longest lasting contractor since nineteen eighty four, celebrating
forty years. I can say that because they're not a
competitor in Ohio. Just give Nick a little shout out. Uh,
he says, I'm sure this has been mentioned, but I'm
also an Ohio native, and I'd say leadership is the

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biggest issue in the Bengals room. Not to say they
can't remember the Titans themselves and pull it all together,
but they have something similar happen as what happened with
Diggs in the sake of the humility we have seen
come into our team from a fan perspective, not saying
someone needs to get injured. I don't even know what
he's talking about. Don't use this drywall the emails, like

(37:27):
the dry I thought he was. I thought he was
going somewhere, but he kind.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Of lost I see what he's saying.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
I thought he was a culture problem and they don't
really have leadership, and without I thought.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
It was a good leader.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
I wouldn't say that like I thought he was going
front office because I know that right now the Duke
Tobin in their front office is taking a lot of
heat in Cincinnati for you know, the attrition of the roster.
I thought that when he said leadership that he meant
like organizational leadership, you know, like GM president level leadership.
I don't know what he's talking about with the roster,

(37:59):
Like I guess Chase spit on a guy so like
that's not great, but like, right, you know, in general, Kay,
Like I don't know, Yeah, Teddy Kay is like the
vice president of the Players Association, So I think that
he's a I've got a pretty good head on his shoulders.
But I think that they're GM. They have a president
and then they have ownership, and the president she's like
under fire a lot too about the roster and just

(38:22):
like about the state of the team.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yeah, you just.

Speaker 5 (38:24):
Hope that they're not just saying, well, we got Earl,
Chase and Higgins like nothing else matters, you know. I mean,
I think that's what that team looks like to me,
and as soon as you pull one or two of
those pieces out, it's pretty dreadful.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Jake and fort Rucker, Alabama. This is on the playoffs.
I was listening to yesterday's show just a bit ago,
and I was thinking on Paul's confidence in the Chiefs
making the playoffs. Originally I agreed, However, upon further review,
I'm not so sure. At five and five, the Chiefs
will still have to play the Colts, Cowboys, Charges, and
Broncos again. While I wouldn't be shocked if the Chiefs

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won all four of those games. I think they absolutely
must win at least two, possibly three, and that's just
no guarantee this year. I think the Bills are a
near lock. The remaining teams that charges Jags, Ravens, and Chiefs.
I think that of those teams, the Jags getting knocked
out makes sense, But my guess is only one of
the Ravens or Chiefs will make it. And think the

(39:19):
Ravens are more likely.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
So I think the Ravens. The Ravens might win the division.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
So I think that could like send like a whole
kind of ripple effect into this as if the Ravens
come back and actually win the North and now the
Steelers become a wild card team.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
And Mason Rudolph, Yeah, like that all kind.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
Of gets cluttered, you know. With Kansas City. Yeah, I mean,
I think most of the metrics right now would say
that they're probably gonna miss the playoffs. But it's Patrick Mahomes,
Andy Reid so great.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
It's just a great challenge.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
I mean that the Colts are what they are this season,
They're really earned a lot of the respect of around
the league that you know that they deserve, and now
to have to go into Kansas City where you feel
like you've got a dea sprit Kansas City team playing
at home against the team that's kind of a dome team.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I just it's gonna be interesting to see what the
result is.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
Is this an indie team that can travel and knock
off a team that, like everybody feels the same way.
They're like Jason boordees, like you got to kill him
till he's dead, and then you got to kill him again.
That's how it's got to be, is Daniel Jones and
you know that running game. Ready to go in there
to arrowhead and do it.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Jordan and Tampa writes in follow up question on yesterday's
discussion on worst playoff opponents. My opinion, the worst opponent
to face in the playoffs would be Buffalo. We've already
beat them in Buffalo. I have confidence that, given the
state of their team, will beat them at home as well.
But I've heard it said many times that's so hard
to beat a team three times in one year when

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they are so familiar with each other. I would be
afraid that we beat them twice in the regular season,
but they learn from the losses and get us in
the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
So I agree with his premise. But if we assume
that the Patriots win the East and the Bills are
a wildcard, the Bills are going to be the five
seed most definitely. And so like we're talking about the
AFC Championship game, and like, if that's if that's what
it is like, you're going to play a great team
at that point, and it is what it is like,

(41:15):
you take your chances and see what happens. It'd be
very unlikely that they would draw the Bills in the
divisional or the wildcard round, just because the Bills are
probably going to be the top wildcard team.

Speaker 5 (41:27):
I if they get to buy, the Patriots get to buy,
and they're one game away from the AFC Championship.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Like I don't know I've told you guys, but like
my dream is to go to an AFC championship game.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
I have never been to one. Like that to me
is you've never been to one? No, no, no, not
even a Super Bowl either. I know it's crazy, I know,
but I just think that's the ultimate football game. It's
a home crowd, it's a real football game. Super Bowl
is like an exhibition. I mean, you guys know more
than me. You've been to Super Bowl, at least on TV,
it feels like.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
The weekends and sports. The Championship. You get those two home.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
Games and the home crowd is into it and probably
a little bit of a weather game depending on where is.
But I just to me, the chance to see this
team playing in an AFC Championship, that would be you know,
deuce on cloud not. I would like to me just
whatever happens happens, but I would be really happy.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
I agree with the email in terms of it. It would
be hard to beat Buffalo again. Yeah, me too, but
I don't know when they would really see Buffalo like
the way that it goes. But the two thousand AFC
Championship Game twenty eight teen in Kansas City is the
best football game I've ever been to, and I don't
think it's going to be topped like Mahomes and Brady
in overtime of the AFC Championship Game. To go to

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the Super Bowl is also in that atmosphere or two
like that fan base is awesome game. I don't know
if that will ever be that post game my first
year on the Beat and came out and that was
my first year was covering that team.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
So there's also that my closest is the the AFC
Divisional against San Diego in two.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Thousand and six.

Speaker 5 (42:52):
But there's nothing quite like the experience of going into
a hostile stadium in the playoffs a team that has
Super Bowl aspirations and ending their season in their home.
I mean that that feeling, and I mean the Patriots
had it happened a couple of times here to them,
but that was pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
I mean the celebration after that San Diego game, all
the Patriots fans all came down. Everybody was just so excited.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
I'm sure it was the same thing there at Sports City.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
No, because there weren't, like Kansas City was not letting
any Patriots fans in the building. You know, you they
have like this like sea of red, and like when
you look out from the press box over the parking lot,
it's like a college atmosphere where like it's just a
whole parking lot's tailgaters and like that that was literally
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into the most hostile environment that you could possibly go into.
And you know, Brady winning that game was one of
his best.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Yeah, he was, I mean, helmet off and it was
bitter cold too. Yeah, helmet off, jumping in people's arms
and the mccordy twins hugging each other, you know, in
Devin telling Jason, this is why you came to do this,
David Andrews way, goodbye to the crowd.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Brady masterclass. Yeah, good'd down.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
I mean so many plays, talk about got to have
it plays and then you know, thank you Kansas City
for jumping off sides.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
That's probably the stress for a video. Like the greatest
third downs of the Dynasty. Just third downs. I mean
that Edelman probably have four or five of them.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
They just kept they kept on playing middle of the field,
They kept on playing two high safeties, and Edelman just
kept running crossers right into the middle of the field
and they just didn't cover them. And then the one
time that they did, they threw the backside slant to
Gronk and they're like they just had all the answers,
like third down. They just completely out fox the Chiefs
in that game.

Speaker 6 (44:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
I love hearing what Brady said about that game too,
just saying I knew what they were going to do
before they did it, like I studied them so much,
Like I just I knew exactly what they were doing everything, yep.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
And they got spags and then they won three Super Bowls.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Willem and philam, what's up? William's? All right?

Speaker 5 (44:57):
All right?

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Were you doing?

Speaker 9 (45:00):
All right? Just two questions? So I know about the
robbery jerseys, which those those new ones which it looks
they look so sick. Anyway, do you see the picture
is getting some new like a new home jersey for
next season, you know, something something different, I mean from

(45:21):
the blue ones that they have already. And also what
you having with the draft coming up? Basically, what do
you think the pictures would do with the first round pick?
You know what? You think they should charge it down
and Ye'll have a good day, Okay.

Speaker 10 (45:35):
All right?

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Well two questions there. One is new uniform in the works,
and what would they do with the pick that they'll have,
probably hopefully low.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
In the thirty two? I think is where the super
Bowl champ? There you go, ed Rusher?

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Yeah, I think that that will be at the top
of the list.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
You know, I think they I think best player available
that's not a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
They're gonna need some things to fill in, you know,
depth wise and other spots. But I think the cool
part about this draft, to Fred's point, is like you
kind of already have the foundation, so now you're kind
of just adding like on top of it. This is
where we used to be, right, and so now you
can really you know, the Lions had that draft where
they go Gibbs Campbell, Brian branch Laporta, and after the

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draft everybody made fun of them because they picked non
premium positions with all their picks, but they picked the
best players available and it ended up all of them
ended up being good. So I think there's an element
to that that you can kind of just whatever falls
to you and you pick that guy.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
That's what I'm excited about next year. And not to
get ahead of ourselves, but like this.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
Isn't the team yet, you know, and everybody's pretty much
coming back. There are honeywise either Yeah, I mean there's
you know, there are some holes to film and you
got to figure out you know, it's Chason going to
come come back, Tonga, you know, Jalen Hawkins starting safety.
So I mean there could be some starting holes, but
generally you're bringing back just about everybody in the core
and you just can build from there and you don't
have to be totally, you know, held to the needs.

(47:01):
And when you're held to those needs, like you end
up reaching on guys that maybe you shouldn't where it's
like to your point, Fred, it's like, yeah, we kind
of need this position, but we know that this guy
is going to be a superstar.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
And it's not a top the list, but let's just
take this.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Yeah, I just put out a edge rusher because it's
a good it's a good class. There's gonna be like
five or six of them that go early, and you know,
people are really high on the.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Class place and start.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
It looks like they'll have cash to spend too, so
it doesn't all have to come from the draft. If
you know you can get an immediate impact guy on
a rusher, do it that way.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Yeah, And I think that that's probably what will happen,
is like you won't have the spending spree like they
did this last offseason, but you might have like one splash,
you know, whether it's a free agent or a trade
or something like that where they go out and try
to add again, like just that extra piece to put
you over the top, whether it's you know, another receiver

(47:51):
or it's an edge rusher or whatever. The case may be,
but they're gonna need you know, pass rush, They're gonna
need you know, offensive line still, you know, right tackle Morgan.
This is not a spring chicken.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
You know.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
How do they sort out the interior with Wilson and
brad Bury? Bradbury, do you bring him back?

Speaker 2 (48:08):
You know?

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Do you kick Wilson to center? Then you need a
left guard. What's on win?

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Who's future? Yep, So there's still.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
There's going to be a really really interesting off season.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Tight end Seana Vancouver.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
I predict that Drake May will have his first NFL
game with over three hundred yards passing. That's not based
in my gut or a feeling. It's more this trend
of thought. Drake may leaves the NFL in passing yards.
The Bengals, how the worst defense in the history of
the NFL. When push comes to shove, it's a big
game for the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Offense, it should line up that way.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
They could also have two hundred yards rushing.

Speaker 5 (48:40):
That to me would be what would prevent Drake from
doing it is that they get the lead and then
it's reminder Stevenson, Trevion Henderson time to just do what
they've kind of done, you know, bleed the clock out
and you know, get out of Dodge with a win,
you get into December November.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
I think those things are you know, you gotta protect
yourselves a little bit.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
Yeah, I think there's there's a piece of me that
things the Patriots could you know, really blow doors in
Cincinnati because of the state of the Bengals, Like Chase
is suspended, He's beIN on a guy that's not great,
like just in general for the whole vibe, right, Joe
Burrow's not playing, Trey Hendrickson's not playing. But at the
same time, like it's been a little bit of a

(49:18):
grind here for the Patriots and they still don't know
there's still two weeks away from their bye. I do
think that there's an element of, you know, are they
fully operational right now to really like blow a team out?
You know, it might be one of those like ho hum.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
I think it's a great observation, Evan.

Speaker 5 (49:36):
It's what like kind of concerns me small seat concern
of just you know, managing getting to the buy and
then and look, we're all kind of scarred from how
things went downhill after the bye going back. I mean
a significant amount of years. But what is the team
like post by with Rabel, What does that look like?
Do they come out and really look like they're starting
to peek because I don't. I don't really think this
team is is peak yet. I don't think we've seen

(49:58):
their best with Drake and Ramandre and Keisham Bouti and
Austin Hooper and all those different pieces.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
So I still see where they can get to.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
But I just I really wonder how they're going to
manage these next few weeks with another primetime night game,
a bye week, and then some really tough matchups right
out of the buy.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Well that's the thing, is like you you have Buffalo
Baltimore back to back right out of the by, be
ready to go?

Speaker 4 (50:20):
So these games, like I'm not saying you don't put
it all in, you know, to these games, but are
you really going, you know, is this more like let's
just take care of business and get the heck out
of Cincinnati, or is this like let's beat up on
the Bangles, you know.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Mark and fall River. He says yesterday, I felt there
was a certain amount of disrespect being handed to Stefan
Diggs when the discussion came up about Drake ma and
his performance. You harped on how little talent he has
around him. I don't know about that, but there wasn't
even a cursory mention of Diggs and the impact he's had.
I'm not saying he's a top five wide receiver, which

(50:55):
is specifically what you mentioned, but he has a huge
impact on this team and still playing at a high level.
I just want to make sure he gets mentioned because
in my opinion, he's been a main part of the
offensive turnaround. Good point.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
No, that's a good point.

Speaker 5 (51:08):
And I absolutely I got asked that last time on
the radio, who's your offensive MVP after Drake May and
I said Stefan Diggs and he mentioned he's.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Been solid all year.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
I mean come back player of the yards already.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
I don't think think he's around seven hundred, yes, but
he's on pace for about over one thousand, you know,
ninety catches thousand yards. You know, really strong candidate for
comeback Player of the Year in the league, you know,
coming back from the ACL and having this year, and
there's a real chance to the Patriots could have all,
you know, coach of the Year, Assistant coach of the

(51:43):
year m VP Comeback Player of the Year, like they
could have some some awards. You know, in this offseason.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
You don't get to be an MVP candidate if your
team around you really sucks. I mean, the Patriots might
not have Jamar Chase, but still Stefan diak is a
very good player, and I mean the cupboard is not
bear right now.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
There are solid players.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
I think the point though, generally is just May is
elevating everybody. But they wouldn't be where they are right
now without Stefan Digs. It's a good shout.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Out Chris with a T I A N rights in
will this final stretch of games tell you more about
this team than the first eleven games. While the three
game road wins streak and winning in Miami, Tampa and
Buffalo are the marquee wins, I think wins against the
Ravens potentially sweeping the Bills will tell us a lot
about how far they'll go in January.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yep, absolutely that is a good point.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
But I'm kind of not saying that the rest of
the season. Regular season doesn't matter. But until we get
to the playoffs, like, you're not really going to find
out what this team is really made of. And I
just go back to twenty one, where they had a
good regular season and it looked like the arrow was
pointing up and then they got absolutely destroyed in Buffalo.
And I remember Belichick coming on the next day and
being like, is that who we are or do we

(52:55):
just have a bad night?

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Well, and I doubt that that's who they were.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
You know, I'll say this about twenty one. Some of
us who are paying attention, we saw it coming the
second half of the season.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Was from the Indian game.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
Oh everybody, Yeah, I mean everybody saw that, But like
you still came out of that season.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Until the Buffalo game.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
I think you could have still said, well, yeah, if
you keep building on this, then like you're going someplace here.
And they got their doors blowing off in Buffalo, and
now I think was a real like kind of friction
point of like, okay, maybe they the second half of
the year really was what they were and then Buffalo
was really what they were. And I think that that

(53:35):
that's when that kind of gets decided. Like if they
go this Patriots team stumbles a little bit down the
stretch but then wins a playoff game, then you're not
thinking about twenty You know, but I.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Think this stretch is important. It is important. No, I
think that you're not going to have Milton Williams. It's
been a grind. You haven't had a buy, so it's tough.
Even though you had this little mini buy. You're a
little banged up right now. So it's going to tell
you a lot about this team.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
I kind of think about the comparison between the two
thousand and nine team and how they went out.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
I mean, they got.

Speaker 5 (54:10):
Beat pretty thoroughly here by Joe Flacco and the Ravens.
I mean, I think they were in like you know
now it's in the sound Battle twenty one points down,
like how could they come.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Back from that?

Speaker 5 (54:19):
But you know that that team was, you know, been reconstituted.
It had a rookie quarterback, but they couldn't do anything.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
And so you know, it's like the oh. Nine team
felt like it needed just a couple of tweaks.

Speaker 5 (54:31):
Maybe that's understating it a little bit, but you know,
you got Gronka mccordy the next year and you really
started to rebuild. But to me, after that Oh one game,
it was like I don't know where to go, Like
they just spent everything on free agency.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
I think Max is going to be kind of limited,
and you know, you were.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
Kind of crossing your fingers and then the offensive coordinator
stuff happened.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
Yeah, I just think it's hard with this this team
right now because they already had nine wins, and let's
face it, they have four very very winnable games. So like,
even if they lose to Buffalo and Baltimore, they're still
going to be twelve or thirteen wins because they have
this Bengals game, they have the Giants, they have the Dolphins,
and they.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Have the Jets. That's at least three.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
Like, I don't know, the Dolphins are a little frisky,
we'll see, but like that, that's Dolphins hair late in
the season, right, And so like you could lose to
Buffalo and Baltimore and you're still going to win the division.
You're still going to have a high seed. In that way,
you could still go four and two, right, and you
can still be thirteen win team, right.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
But I'd rather go four and two and have one
of the losses not be Buffalo or Ravens. I'd rather
lose to the Jets in Miami than lose to those guys.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
Well, I guess it depends on, you know, how meaningful
the those Jets and Dolphins games are.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
I understand, I understand, But in terms of like knowing
who we are, I wouldn't want to go four and
two and have our two losses against the two best teams.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Yeah, he's fair. It's a good question for Paul.

Speaker 5 (55:50):
I feel like, of which of those four teams that
right now seem very winnable down the stretch, which ones
are those concerning?

Speaker 4 (55:56):
I mean said Miami, Well, they're just playing a little
bit better. Yeah, I think they on three out of four.
And but Miami coming up here in late December, early
January and the freezing cold with really and probably still
nothing to play for. Like maybe they're like in play
for the seven seed, but I doubt it.

Speaker 5 (56:13):
And I mean, and again that goes back to like,
you know, the twenty nineteen Patriots that were kind of
flawed and did had a similar situation in the Miami
with the Miami team, you know, came up here and
with with Ryan Fitzpatrick, and you know, they lose to
the you know, lose playoff seeding because of that, you know,
and that just goes back to me of what kind
of tone are we gonna set in the Mic Verbel
era of how we finished games, how we how we

(56:35):
finished seasons, how we come out of the by and
go into a really big game with playoff implications.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
You know, what does that look like?

Speaker 3 (56:42):
James has a simple question. He says, no matter what
happens in the remainder of the season in playoffs, is
this season of success?

Speaker 2 (56:49):
No, I'm gonna say pretty much.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
I mean, they look it could go sideways and terrible
things could happen, and you know, they could lose every
game on here like so it's not right locked in stone,
but like.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
They're gonna be the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
I think, aside from the worst, like you said, you
lose every game from here on in and it goes sideways,
I think it is a success because we went into
the season saying, if we see improvement and we see
that Drake May is the guy, then that's what you're
looking for. Well that's what we've got. So I think

(57:21):
it is a success. Barring something crazy like that where
you lost, we lose the last six games, everything's a mess.
Drake May has become turnover king. I don't think. I
don't see that happen.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
I'm what do you need that? What do you need
a playoff win that?

Speaker 4 (57:41):
I think that like winning a playoff game you just won,
I think goes such a long way to like establishing
your program, Like this is like sure proof of concept. Absolutely,
It's one thing to have a great regular season, but
when you win a playoff game, like you really feel
like okay, like our quarterbacks want a playoff game. Our
program won a playoff game, and that like now like

(58:03):
there's real boy.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
But like you said, you move the goal post, you know,
because that's not what the you know.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
And then I would hit my over my season expectation
in August.

Speaker 5 (58:14):
Right, But it still pains me with it all ahead
of you to say, like now it's already good, like
you know this is obviously you want you.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Want more, and then you want more. And the good
news is from what Rabel says about his players, and
they want more to they're not satisfied.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
They mean, I fully admit I'm moving the goal post.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
But now that we're like if they are nine to
two and they sput her out and they lose in
the wildcard round, and it's one of like.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
You'd be disappointed.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
As Brady said, you know, we didn't come this far
just to get this far. Yeah, all right, we're gonna
take a quick break. Rabel will be in one ten,
so when he comes on, we'll take another break for him.

Speaker 6 (58:49):
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Speaker 3 (58:49):
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Speaker 18 (01:07:00):
You know, the Celtics love to make it hard on themselves,
and you know they're doing it again, and they're blowing
opportunity with like nothing to do with the other team,
like forcing eighteen turnovers.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
It's the Celtics. That's what I was trying to tell
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when they get dominated by like the Cleveland Browns and
lose because Cleveland gives the ball away seventeen times.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Like, that's different, right, because my Patriots had nothing to
do with.

Speaker 18 (01:08:03):
But you don't beat the like the Steelers and the
Colts and the Rams all because the other seem sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Sorry theyah, the team doesn't suck. No, but they say,
teams come to me. That's what they just pooped themselves.
I just don't know what to do that Celtics.

Speaker 18 (01:08:18):
It's all about the Celtics sucking, not the Golden State
doing anything.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
That I agree with. And I also agree with the
other way too.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
That's another great moment from.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
All right back here on Patriots Unfiltered. It's good to
be having those arguments again. Why are the Patriots winning?
Is it because they're good or the other team's stink?
And uh, you know that gets to the whole easy
schedule thing and I was just thinking to myself, if
you're a bad team, there is no such thing as
an easy schedule. If you have an easy schedule, it's

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because you're good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
You're beating the other team right right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
And you know, like if the Patriots were they had it.
I don't know, if the Patriots were the where they
were last year, they'd beat four a four to win
team regardless of the schedule. But now they're good, so
they're turning this easy schedule into nine and two. Yeah,
you don't do that unless you're a good team.

Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
I mean, we knew what the schedule was coming into
the season, and we knew, you know, what kind of
team this was. I mean, the conversations we had and
you know, Paul leading the charge with they're probably gonna
go fifty to fifty. You know, that's where this team
is out there rebuilding. They're not going to win all
of these games against the bad teams. But they have
won all the bad teams, and now all of the
goalposts move and you're like, well, they haven't beaten anybody,
you know. I mean, and again they play take the

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defenses and every NFL team is good, like every you know,
every you go around It's like I said yesterday, you
go around the league, all these teams that the Patriots
have beaten have beaten other teams. It's not like every
team they play haven't won a single game. You know,
some are better than others. But again, like they're in
relegation right now, like you got to get out of
the fourth place schedule, like I get it. None of
us like watching like, oh great, we gotta go play
the Bengals this week, Like we much rather have a

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game with some juice to it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
But the schedule, you don't make it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
It's already I'll be perfectly happy beating up.

Speaker 5 (01:10:02):
Those are special for you, Fred, you know at that scenario,
all right, two and oh again then in the last
two years, you know, it's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Yeah. Eight five five Pats five hundred is the Hotline
podcast at Patriots dot Com. Momentarily, we'll be turning it
over to Mike Rabel bringing you his press conference as
we do every Wednesday. So as soon as that happens,
we'll go to him. But in the meantime, let's go
to Randall in Texas. What's up Randall? Randall, Randall and Texas. Well,

(01:10:36):
I guess I'm gonna mess with Texas. Let's go to
Randy in Providence. Hey Randy, Hey.

Speaker 19 (01:10:44):
How's it going? Guys? Listen, I'm calling in to Usk.
Do you guys think that there the Patriots are getting
enough respect with a seven and a half points.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Well, we're gonna have to put you on hold and
we're gonna go to Mike Vrabel.

Speaker 6 (01:10:58):
How are you j suspended? What you've seen?

Speaker 11 (01:11:03):
Some teeth Higgins and the rest of me.

Speaker 20 (01:11:05):
Again, talent, plenty of talent, it's just the opportunities probably
haven't been there. But when they've been given the opportunity
and they've gone to them, you know, whether that's Yoshi Vas,
that's Tinsley down the field obviously t deep threat, you know,

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took a slant to the house against Pittsburgh, tight window,
you know, split the safeties, you know. So I don't
think that they lacking talent. I think it's just been opportunity.
So again we'll have to do a you know, a
great job, you know, trying to defend them, whether that
be Brown or Higgins or anybody else.

Speaker 6 (01:11:48):
It's just a big challenge offensively.

Speaker 10 (01:11:51):
Like a question from caring for Uh cool, I'm good, Thanks,
Forssing since you became a head coach, how if it all,
have you changed how you manage your individual relationships with
players over the years.

Speaker 20 (01:12:07):
I mean, again, I'm my jobs have a you know,
a relationship or a connection with with everybody here, players
and staff included. Some of those relationships are stronger than others.
That's kind of the nature of this. But you know,
I think for me, it's just been having something in

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each room or part of the game plan in each
phase that will at least allow me to have a
conversation about the game plan, about their job or technique,
which is the best way, you know, to be able
to have that connection through the week, you know, And

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then again just try to be as genuine as I
possibly can.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
You you needed, wanted gotten when you were player, and something.

Speaker 6 (01:12:58):
You felt like it was important to you.

Speaker 20 (01:12:59):
I don't know if it was that needed. I mean,
it was just kind of different. I think it was
just different. And I haven't coached anybody any differently from
the from the three years that I spent at Ohio
State going to Houston. They were maybe a year or
two older, and back then they made more money. Now

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they're just a year or two older, and some of
them make about the same amount of money, So I
appreciate where they all come from. I appreciate their backgrounds.
You can see the type of people they are by
when you meet their families. I think that's something that
you know, really shows and the pride that they have.
And you know how you know, we we do this

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to provide for our family, so you know, outside of winning, well,
that's what's let's be honest, like, that's that's why we
do this. So I enjoy meeting their families, and I
enjoy meeting the people that they care about. And we
always said things that are important of them should be
important to us.

Speaker 10 (01:14:01):
As a player, you were known sort of as an enforcer,
and I know accountability is super important to you now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
So as a coach, you.

Speaker 5 (01:14:10):
Know, how have you evolved in creating accountability?

Speaker 20 (01:14:15):
And I think my job, I've said this is to
try to protect the team and stay consistent and try
to hold the best players the most accountable. That way,
it sets a clear message to everybody, you know, throughout
not you know, if the quarterback makes a mistake, of
Drake makes a mistake, doesn't really do me any good

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to sit there and coach up Tommy you de veto
just go right to the source. And I think the
players appreciate the consistency, like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
The stability of the offensive line in their performance.

Speaker 6 (01:14:49):
This season seems like it's like to a while team's success.

Speaker 20 (01:14:53):
Can you talk about what that group and the coaching
staff and Dog maroone has.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Meant to his success?

Speaker 6 (01:14:59):
Well, Dog, I mean that's a good group in there,
you know what I mean. Doug Doug's.

Speaker 20 (01:15:04):
In charge, but but Jason otanling Hass and you know
Kug's I think we're lucky. I think those guys really
do a good job. Like I said when I talked
about the staff, they can all take a group and
coach them and pre practice individual.

Speaker 6 (01:15:22):
Uh so you see a lot of that is.

Speaker 20 (01:15:23):
You know, split up, and guys are getting work and
reps and so there's a lot of confidence there.

Speaker 6 (01:15:29):
I think the players are building some confidence.

Speaker 20 (01:15:31):
I think that, you know, the more that we get
into this thing and they understand kind of the design
of the play and kind of how Drake's gonna operate,
whether that's you know, trying to climb the pocket or
you know, the extension and everything else, I think it all,
you know, goes hand in hand I think they communicate well,
and you know, the more that we've been able to

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be out there as a unit has led to you know,
some good results.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
And possibly during the return you've had Trayyon kind of be.

Speaker 21 (01:16:04):
That named back in the last few games.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Do you have a is there a plan kind of
to have a better balance between.

Speaker 22 (01:16:10):
The two of them when they're both ready to play
or when Rmandre is helping.

Speaker 20 (01:16:14):
I think we'll probably have to have that conversation, you know,
when it's you know certain that we're going to have
Romandre's going to work through practice today and you know,
we'll see where things go. So Travion's helped us, or
Andre has helped us, Trell's helped us, you know, disappointed

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at dearness kind of, you know, have a couple more carries,
We gained some good yards on a whatever they thought
was a holding penalty and go from there. So we'll
try to have them all help us. But it's been
good to see Travion continue to to run hard and
take care the football and everything else.

Speaker 10 (01:16:53):
Like what's been your impression of Joe Flacco and just
the way that bangled offense?

Speaker 20 (01:16:56):
Good playing, uh, efficient on time, a lot of again,
you're not gonna trick him. You're not gonna trick him.
You're gonna have to cover him, beat him.

Speaker 6 (01:17:07):
You know, rush on.

Speaker 20 (01:17:08):
The ball comes out quick, you know, doesn't seem to
get rattled very easily. It's not something that's gonna happen.
You know, arm strength and accuracy has been great. You know,
he kind of knows what he wants to do and
where he wants to go with the ball.

Speaker 6 (01:17:26):
It's a lot of command.

Speaker 10 (01:17:27):
Like he's also someone you saw as a player. I
don't know, I know all those memories are great, but
what do you remember about a young Joe Blacket on
the other sideline?

Speaker 20 (01:17:35):
I mean about the same, I mean, big, talented, strong,
probably ran a little bit more.

Speaker 6 (01:17:44):
So.

Speaker 20 (01:17:44):
Just the longevity, A lot of respect for him as
a as a person and as a player.

Speaker 10 (01:17:49):
Will give a chance to receive them how to practice theoretically.
But I talked about remondering his situation, Keishawan and Christian
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
As any pigs.

Speaker 20 (01:17:58):
Yeah, they'll all work today and we'll see, you know,
how they respond after today and kind of keep moving
from there. But no real update. They haven't done anything
that you know, we've pushed through other than that. So
hopefully they're out there and they will be and ready
to go, and then we'll see where they where they go.

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
Decision to CG to the off the cross room less
similar to the situation you kind of talked about earlier
this week.

Speaker 21 (01:18:25):
Bread and where it's someone you put time in with
and want.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
To continue working with.

Speaker 20 (01:18:30):
Yeah, there's a lot of things that go involved with that,
and you know, certainly those two players were ones that
kept showing up as the you know, show team players
or whether it's on special teams or offense or defense,
and so.

Speaker 6 (01:18:45):
There's you know, it's just.

Speaker 20 (01:18:46):
Kind of what happens when you get to this part
in the season, and you know, we'll see if those
guys can can help us. And we ask everybody to
prepare as a starter when they come in here. And
I don't think anything should change or will change for
those guys like you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
Haven't been that the quarterback of the treat concept impacted
back weeks all much It is from.

Speaker 6 (01:19:05):
You know, having yours taught to you, running to play, simulating,
doing to practice versus just.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
The players out there with high awareness.

Speaker 6 (01:19:13):
I disciplined you to the game. Well, we're not gonna
be able to show them everything. We have a lot of.

Speaker 20 (01:19:19):
Again, admiration, respect, gratitude for the players that give us
those looks throughout the week. I think they take great
pride in that we ask them to try to you know,
they're being evaluated and they're you know, we're trying to
put it in the best as we can in our
language and letting them play football and letting them compete
and you know, try to stay up and take care

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of each other. We don't want anything that's out of control.
But I think improvement has been made by players on
those units. They give us a fantastic look and all
you know, first second, third down, We get to the
red zone late in the week, so again that starts there.
And then we're not going to be able to show

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them every single play that they're going to see in
the game. That's that's impossible. Where nobody's that good. There's
things that will show them you know, that they'll be
able to recall. But then it comes down today eleven
guys out there, if there's an unscouted look or there's
a scout you know, I mean, there's a play that
you know comes up that they haven't seen or they
haven't run this year that you know, you kind of

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use your tools and use you know, kind of your
rules for the play and what your responsibility is to
to go and defend it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
Drake said on the radio the other day that one
of the concepts he's been focused on here is remaining
a passer as long as possible.

Speaker 23 (01:20:39):
Everyone needs to taking off.

Speaker 14 (01:20:40):
How much progress have you seen with that particular skill
or development for him.

Speaker 20 (01:20:45):
Yeah, I mean I think that that's something that was
you know, talked about in the off season that we
wanted to try to allow him to do and let
him work on it. And you know, example on the
sidelines there with Digs the other night, is maintaining a
passer as long as he can still threaten the edge
and then if people come out of coverage, being able

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to you know, make good decisions and great decisions with
the football and it leads to you know, fifteen extra yards.
He wasn't gonna run for fifteen yards. So again, those
are things that really can put stress on the defense
when you do them positively and you're not making bad decisions.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
He's the treats been so accurate this year.

Speaker 10 (01:21:28):
What kind of work have you seen him put in
to refine or improve that part of playing the position.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Of how much of that just might be an.

Speaker 20 (01:21:36):
Eight I think probably a little bit of both. I
think that Josh and Ashton and have tried to work
hard on that. I also think Drake is talented. And
again it's like a pitcher, And I mean, I don't
know if there was a pitching coach that was really
taught Greg Maddox how to paint the plate and put

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the ball wherever he wanted to.

Speaker 6 (01:22:00):
So I think there's some some natural skill there.

Speaker 20 (01:22:02):
But then I think that they work on those things,
and they work on platform and throwing off of different
places and still remaining accurate and climbing the pocket and
working with a base and all those things, and then
you know there's other times where it's just natural athletic
ability and hand eye coordination and putting the ball in
good spots.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
Thank you, are you running all right? That was Mike
Vrabel and Paul would have been proud, Big Baseball reference
Greg Maddox painting the outside of the plate.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
We go, yeah, it's good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
You proud of them. And we pulled that one out
of so anything notable, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:22:47):
At the end, I liked just I got to ask
this question last night. It really made me think, and
maybe I'm curious what you think, Fred was. You know,
when did you realize this year that Drake was taking
like a big leap, you know? And I said, well,
the first thing for me was in the spring, he
just looked comfortable and that was you know, but it's
Ota is mini camp.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
There's nothing really going on competitively.

Speaker 5 (01:23:05):
And I said, I didn't even know in the training camp,
like you know, we watched all those training camp practices.
I was in the you know, the joint practice up
in Minnesota, and it really to me felt like like
the win streak when it started, he just started to
string these games together. And it wasn't anything we saw
this summer that made me say, oh, yeah, there here
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
This is what it was like.

Speaker 5 (01:23:22):
He has flashes throughout training camp, but never like this,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
And you know, he didn't have a lot of play
in preseason, like you said, it wasn't until the winning
streak started that you said, whoa, he's This isn't just
one game, but I mean he's doing it again and
again and again. This is who he is. You know.
Raiders game, first game, you didn't see it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Then No, No, a little bit in Miami.

Speaker 5 (01:23:46):
I mean Buffalo obviously that was a huge win, and
you know that that throw that's still making the rounds
to Stefan Diggs.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
But no, it really was a regular season thing to me,
which is just.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
Absolutely you know it was anyone, that's all I saw it.
I saw it in mini camp, but no, there's nothing
that would have told you this.

Speaker 5 (01:24:05):
No, it still felt like you were gonna, you know,
be feeling it out a little bit. I mean, it's
it's hard to make comparisons because I think even you know,
Caleb Williams a little bit, you're seeing that too, like
he's had some great plays, but you're still seeing a
second year quarterback figure it out. And there's you know,
some episom flows to it. But I just I continue
to be amazed by you know, you watch guys all summer,
you watch training camp, you have an impression of what

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kind of team is this, and then you get into
the regular season and you know, just blows your mind
that this guy all of a sudden is playing at
this crazy level.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
And believe it or not, Like I think this offense
has a lot of room for improvement because forget about
the running game. That's that's its own thing. But it's
in terms of Drake in the passing game. A lot
of his best plays are off platform. A lot of
his best plays are when he's had to extend or
move around in the pocket because the first option wasn't there.

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I think, you know, obviously, we all want to get
to that point where that first option is there, like
you know, the play is run as it was drawn up.
And when you get to that point and the other
plays are are less frequent, that's when you're going to
see this offense really start to be a well oiled machine.
We're not there yet, belieh or not. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
That's and that goes to the question I think.

Speaker 5 (01:25:19):
I think Megan Odolini asked about, you know, just just
Drake's ability to stay a passer, and I think that's
where for me, some of the ebbs.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
And flows of his season have been.

Speaker 5 (01:25:27):
You've seen at times and contain pockets that you will
see him get a little rushed and maybe quicker to
get out of the pocket. But I thought last week
the protection was better. He got comfortable in the pocket.
You didn't see him trying to run. He was staying
in there even when there was some pressure.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
And still delivering throws.

Speaker 5 (01:25:43):
So I totally agree with your point if he can
continue to stay at that point, and granted it's probably
depending a lot on the protection, but they've been better too,
So yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
It's Randy's been on hold. I hope he's still there.
What's up, Randy? Hey, Hey, thanks for holding on listening
to Rabel.

Speaker 19 (01:26:01):
I don't know if I'm gonna be bumped for anybody,
I might as well be the car, right, Yeah, So yeah,
I just I had wanted to call it that. Ask
you guys if you feel like the Pats are getting
enough respect with the spread this week.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
At your department?

Speaker 19 (01:26:16):
Seven point five?

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
So what they're they're favored by seven and a half.

Speaker 19 (01:26:22):
Yeah, and this is against a team that's losing by
ten and a half on average.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
Well you get three, so that's kind of it is
ten and a half sort of.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
I wish Paul is here, No, I hear it just seven,
So seven and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
This is eight.

Speaker 5 (01:26:37):
Now I don't we'll go by DraftKings. But yeah, I
mean that, and.

Speaker 19 (01:26:40):
I mean, now put some numbers to it. This is
a historically bad defense, right, the nine straight games they've
given up at at least twenty seven points, and their
defensive DVOA if you're into that sort of thing, is
negative twenty nine, which is thirty second in the league.
But it's also the worst since the inception of the

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DVOA in nineteen seventy eight. Yeah, so's the worst defense
by that measurement in almost fifty years.

Speaker 5 (01:27:08):
Yeah, I mean maybe, I mean, I don't know a
lot about gambling, but I think part of it is
your team still getting a feel for what this Patriots
team is, and do they going against the terrible defense
blow doors on them, because I mean I think, I mean,
the Jets were the Jets last week, but like I said,
they've had some some good defenses that it almost scares
me a little bit, like going into a gamer and like,
all right, they better just blow the you know, hanging

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thirty forty points on this team.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
So, Randy, when's the last time you checked the spread?
Was that just today?

Speaker 6 (01:27:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:27:36):
This morning?

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
It was okay? Yeah, because I wonder if Jamar Chase,
you know, that final ruling changed anything last night, but
you said it's gone up to eight.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Yeah, that was according to eight and a half Patriots
now it's eight and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
It's moving, so it's moving up a little. Randy, you
know that some of that could be trying to get
some Cincinnati money in. But I you know, I'm eight
and a half. That's a pretty big spread in today's NFL.
But I hear what you're saying. You know, the Patriots
should be able to put up points, but aside from

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last week, Cincinnati's been able to put up points too, right,
So it's not like they true and they're at home.
So I think seven and a half eight points is
probably right. It's probably right.

Speaker 19 (01:28:23):
And so by the way, tagging on to what you
guys were saying about people knowing with May, didn't you
feel like it was kind of almost the opposite like
early in training camp, but you remember the four interception
practice that started things off, and it just kind of
felt like people were almost waiting for that again as
opposed to expecting some big leaps Like I don't feel

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I feel like you guys are one hundred percent right,
like nobody saw this sort of leap coming.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Nope, thanks for Andy.

Speaker 5 (01:28:50):
Now I gotta get sell my notes on that four
interception of practice and remember that one exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
But no, but I get the point.

Speaker 5 (01:28:56):
I mean, it was you know, and even I mean
i'd point more towards Minnesota, where you know, there were
some big plays down the field.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
I mean mac Hollins, you know, had a big play
down the field, and.

Speaker 5 (01:29:05):
So you did see some of that, but you just
don't know how it's in the trans and people.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
You know, I'm sure there's people out there saying I
knew he was gonna make this big leap. Okay, maybe
you did, but you didn't know that based off empirical evidence.
You were you had faith, you had hope it was
a big wish. Because the objective talk coming out of
last year into this year is who is Drake May

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Is he this turnover guy? Is he a guy who's
going to turn it over? Or is he this amazing
athlete who's who's doing what we see him do? Now,
no one knew for sure either way. There was just
no evidence to show you either way. Now we're getting
a string of games that game in and game out,

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he's doing the same thing, and so we can confidently say, yeah,
this guy, this is the guy.

Speaker 5 (01:29:57):
Yeah looking back at you know, I right, little just
shot down some notes after.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
A tuning camp practice, and I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:30:02):
Just you know, kind of backs up what we're saying, like,
you know, second practice.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
Another pretty efficient day for Drake.

Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
May uh you know, Drake a little shaky accuracy early on,
but still makes some late some big late down throws
down the stretch.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
So it's yeah, it was.

Speaker 5 (01:30:17):
It was you know, up and down, and that's how
I thought it would be coming into the season.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
He'd have you know, games where it all seemed to
click and he.

Speaker 5 (01:30:22):
Did well, and then there're big game where I's throwing
a couple of bad interceptions and you know, looks a
little off. I think that's more of what a you know,
a trajectory for a young quarterback looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
But he's just exceeded all those.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
Expectations and every the wins last year, like for example, Chicago,
they won that game in Chicago. D haven't really enough.

Speaker 5 (01:30:39):
Yeah yeah, no, no, you didn't see anything like this,
and that's I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
I would just point to the Buffalo game. I think
that was where it was like, oh boy, he's going
to do.

Speaker 5 (01:30:48):
This in front of a national audience against a division
rival on the road, which you know, right now talk
about like toughest important game to play every season at Buffalo,
at Miami Division games on the.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
Road, down the stretch, getting him in field goal.

Speaker 5 (01:31:00):
You win both those games within you know, and I
know what the Dolphins have turned out to be. But look,
you know they never lost the two We know what
the house ofholror of Miami has been. So that little
stretch there, you know, it was what in three weeks
that they played those two teams.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
That's to me was really really.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
Like the Miami game. You come out, you jump out
to a lead, and then you lose that lead and
it's like up here we are, yeah, right, another game
in Miami. Yeah, this is the way they go. But
it didn't know they reversed the team and Drake may
reverse that and you said, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:31:28):
And that and that drive against Buffalo at the end
where you know, my big question coming in is Drake clutch.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
I mean that was clutch I.

Speaker 5 (01:31:33):
And shaking a guy off, making throws down the field,
setting up the game winning field goal. You know, it's
said that that's the stuff. I still haven't gotten a
point yet though I've seen him out of fred of like,
you know, when you got to that point, it's certain,
I don't know what it happened for you with Brady,
where you're just like, no, he's awesome. He's gonna be
awesome every week. You know, I haven't quite gotten there
with Drake yet. And I mean I don't mean that
as disrespectful. It's just it's all so new to me.
You know, there's still a part of you waiting for

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is he going to have an off game? Is he
going to be a little you know, and and there
are been moments, but he just seems to back, you
bounce back when he has a bad throw and they
have a bad sequence, and you know it hasn't been
bad enough yet to really to lose them a game
since September.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
So you know, Darius and Louisville rights in. He's a
small sea concern, he says. I understand they haven't needed
to put points on the board, but it would be
awesome to see Drake Drake may may see Drake Drake
may may put up some big numbers. It would also
benefit him for the MVP candidacy. I don't care about that.

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When you have Josh Allen putting up six touchdowns and
other stuff, it just looks better for MVP. While we
are letting up because we can. We can. The Bills
are putting their foot on the oponent's next. Just my opinion.

Speaker 5 (01:32:42):
Yeah, I mean I would say the Bills, you know,
needed that they were in a game before Josh Allen
pulled away. But I get the point. That's why I
brought it up yesterday, is that this is the time
of year when MVPs need to do MVP things. And
you know, it's great to have a great September October,
but the guys that really excel in November December, I mean,
that's that's this is MVP time and that's what clearly.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
Josh Allen is aware of.

Speaker 5 (01:33:04):
And the offensive coaches in Buffalo are saying, look, screw
getting cute.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
We got a really good quarterback who's a battering ram.
Let's let him do it all.

Speaker 5 (01:33:12):
But I love to see, you know, It's just it's
going to be really exciting to see Drake get into
a big game, back and forth, toe to toe, down
to the end, you know. And I mean I do
have confidence, but it's you know, I'm just not the
Tom Brady like.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
No, he's just awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:33:25):
He's gonna, you know, if there's one minute left, he's
gonna score a touchdown. I don't know that yet about Drake,
but I feel really good about him.

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
Stre Carrie writes in She's from New Hampshire and she
says I am a she because we were wondering, okay
last time she wrote in, h do you have any
updates on Booty and if he has a chance to
play this week? Well, was Rabel asked about that?

Speaker 5 (01:33:45):
Well, he wasn't today, but he did say I think
on on Monday that that Booty be out there today.
So we'll get a full practice report from from Evan
once he gets back from Well, I guess not here
on the show, but later today we'll see who's out there.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
But yeah, I got an eye out for all those guys.

Speaker 5 (01:33:59):
You heard very able say, get Stevenson out there, see
how he feels and be it'd just be great to
get him back. I think that's an element that they
that they really need.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
Yeah, Hooper too, Hoop. I mean he's coming, He's come
up big in some moments they all, you know, being
full strength offensively down the stretch would be really key.

Speaker 5 (01:34:20):
And then you know they've had really good injury luck
generally speaking, and mil Williams.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
Is the first really big blow. But this is what
every team goes through. You got to handle it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
Chris writes, saying, why does Josh McDaniels refuse to use
Kyle Williams Correctly, he should be running slants, cross or screens,
et cetera, and use his yards after catchability. Joking of course,
but excited to hear what.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
Yeah, just it.

Speaker 5 (01:34:44):
Hasn't as Paul and I mean, we looked at it
a couple of times in the game on Thursday night,
you know, look at each other like it just doesn't
look right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
It doesn't, you know, you can tell.

Speaker 5 (01:34:52):
That's another thing I'm getting a sense of as you
kind of watch it more and more in practice, is
like I think Mike Vrabel said it this summer, quarterbacks
will let you know what receivers like, that's who they
throw the ball to the most. And sometimes, you know,
Williams has happened a bunch of times where it's over
the wrong shoulder, it's a little to the left, he
stops here. They just haven't seemed to get that chemistry yet.
And I wonder if it's just because Kyle Williams is

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down the depth chart a little bit. He hasn't been
getting a lot of reps with Drake. We didn't see
a ton of him this summer, and that's okay, Like
I'm not going to rule him out, but no question,
he's got some explosive to this.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
They could use something.

Speaker 5 (01:35:26):
Something's not clicking well in the season where let's everything's
kind of click with the Josh offense this year, with
Drake understanding it, with you know, Boody coming on, with
with Digs slipping right in and knowing exactly where to
be and what to do in the key moments. And
you know, but I just I continue to hold out
hope for Kyle Williams.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
You know it's got the ability, but I mentally he's
got to get it to you.

Speaker 5 (01:35:48):
Yes, that's what That's what you just wonder is is
he not quite grasping exactly, you know, the subtleties of
being a wide receiver in the NFL and how every
step counts and every inch counts, and you know he's going.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
To put the ball here, don't be over there, you
know those kind of things.

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
I mean, there's a lot of if then in Josh
McDaniel's offense, if this happens, then you do this and
you have to be mentally aware. It's not just simply
ten yards and cut in.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
Yeah, I look at it.

Speaker 5 (01:36:11):
I think a little bit about Malcolm Mitchell, who's similar
outside receiver that you saw come in and he just
seemed to get it. I mean in that Super Bowl,
he caught a bunch of passes. You know, you could
tell Brady had the trust for him. He was in
the right spot. So you know, he's one that that
it clicked for. But but I mean it was kind
of late for him too, So I haven't ruled it
out yet. I think they need that, they need that
element of him, and it's also just got a fantastic personality.

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
I still my ja just still in the ground when
I saw him catch that ball and just hammered down.
Oh my god. Bub buy zero to sixty. Anthony from
Toledo love the show listening since twenty twenty one. Maybe
I'll call in someday. Go ahead, please, random question, what
do you think of us using Drake May's locker room

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chant as our fan chant? The Eagles have one and
the Jets have one, why not us? The chant is
pats on me, pats on three one two three, pets.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
Pats on men.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
I haven't heard that yet, that's what he says, pets
On me, pets On three one two three. I mean
that's good. What about the one Diggs is doing, the
uh we all we got, we all we need.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
Yeah, it seems like they've kind of rallied around.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
I like that one because it's a it's a question
and answer or not a question, but.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Call and response, call and response, thank you right right.
You know you could do it in the whole stadium too.

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
Yeah, the whole stadium could be doing we always got
and and And it kind of lines up with you know,
Patriots fans you know, uh, thinking of themselves, like you know,
it's everybody against us, they all hate us. We don't need.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
Them, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
I like it. Yeah, we all we got, we all
we need.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
Yeah. I got Paul with a good one.

Speaker 6 (01:37:47):
We did.

Speaker 11 (01:37:47):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:37:48):
We were shooting PU one TV and we always do
a little debate segment and we had to talk about
their lack of inactivity at the trade deadline, and I
was like say with me, Paul, we all we got,
we all we need.

Speaker 6 (01:37:57):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:37:58):
But now it's a good it's a it's a good
little slogan that Diggs has come up with and people
continue to like where did you get it?

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
He's like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
I think maybe other teams have used it in the past,
but it's ours now. Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna take it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
We're gonna copyright Nowreymark.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
David, Wisconsin. With regards to the first possession defense, do
you think there's a method to the madness. I'm wondering
if Rabel is almost baiting teams to take the ball first,
knowing that they always let up a score on that
first possession because he wants to double dip at the
end of the half in beginning of the third quarter.
You think that's at all possible.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
No, I mean, I think that's funny. It's a good joke.

Speaker 5 (01:38:37):
But was asked about it on Monday and said he
had I think he had four third downs on that drive,
Like yeah, just.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
Just get to stop.

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
Just got to get off the field, get off the field.

Speaker 5 (01:38:45):
But it is hilarious, and I mean over the last
like two three weeks, I'm just I don't even flinch anymore,
Like I would be so frustrated, you know, like again,
here we go and now it happens, and I'm like, yep,
there it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
Is Okay, there, they're gonna be putting the next four
or five times.

Speaker 5 (01:38:57):
But I mean, but as we get in to games
where every possession matters, they've got to they've got to
be better.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
Yeah, Franklin and Baltimore. I partially agree that the increased
starting position starting field position with the new kickoff rule
has played some role in a decreased passing yardage across
the league. But I think the bigger factor is that
we're leaving what was quite possibly the best generation of
passers in history. When you have a prime Brady Peyton, Breeze, Rogers, Rivers,

(01:39:26):
luck for Time and Stafford all playing at the same time,
of course, that's going to skew the numbers in favor
of prolific passing attacks.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
That's a great point. That's a great point.

Speaker 5 (01:39:36):
I mean really felt like that, you know, twenty twenty,
twenty twenty one, you moved on from that era of
Brady Roethlisberger, Rivers, Peyton Man, you know, that little five
year stretch. But I think that's a that's a good
that's a good point. I mean, it's all, you know,
it all kind of adds into it. There's all kinds
of factors with it, but yeah, like it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
It'll probably next year it'll be you know, they'll be
passing all over the place.

Speaker 5 (01:39:58):
Well, you know, Jayden Daniels comes back and he has
some you know, passing yards. Caleb Williams continues to develop
Drake Obviously, this I just I think it's a great
thing for the league whenever these young quarterbacks can develop.
I just I don't root individually four teams, and I
always want the Patriots to win. But at the same time,
when you see an organization doing it right, developing talent,
finding really you know, good quarterbacks or you know, even

(01:40:20):
saving guys from the scrap heap, like Sam Donald and
Baker Mayfield, it's just it's great for the league. You
need as many good quarterbacks as you can have. I mean,
in a perfect way, you have thirty two of them.
It's never going to work out that way, but yeah,
we'll see next year if it bounces back.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
Ally's bond from Connecticut rights in. He says, they had
a thought this morning, oh, one that I could see
happening that could benefit the future years. Let's say the
Patriots go far in the playoffs, maybe even win a
Super Bowl this year. Trying not to get ahead of myself,
but it's becoming real. What I would love to see
happen is let's be aggressive and trade up in the

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first round of the draft for the offense. Let's face it,
we don't have a long term right tackle or center.
With an aging Digs, we could even snag a wide receiver.
I know it's a defensive class, but I think we
need to strike and continue to become an aggressive football team.
On another note, I think Drake throws four touchdowns and
three hundred and twenty nine yards for the first time
in his career Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
Okay, it's a great question.

Speaker 3 (01:41:18):
Straight up, get aggressive and go offense in this draft.

Speaker 5 (01:41:21):
I mean it sounds, you know, fine in theory. You
got to have the actual like nip put a name
to the player, I think as Adam as Evan likes
to say.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
But it's a good question. I wish the group was
here because how would you approach the offseason at wide receiver?

Speaker 5 (01:41:34):
You know, as all these guys are going to come back,
are you you know who are you trying to upgrade
or replace?

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
Are you you know?

Speaker 5 (01:41:40):
Are you trying to upgrade or replace Kaisham Boudi? Who's
you know, continues to get better every single year who's
on a rookie contract has another year on a rookie contract.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
You know, are you I mean, you have.

Speaker 5 (01:41:49):
To think to the future and you can't, you know,
imagine Stefan Diggs is gonna play forever. At some point,
You're going to have to develop a guy that can
have that kind of chemistry with Drake on the guy
to have a moments. But it's it's no easy thing
to you know, if you go out and you sign
a high price price wide receiver, you draft the first
pick like it's going to come at the expense of
one of these guys. And I'm not saying that there
aren't better players potentially available than some of the guys

(01:42:10):
on the roster, but right now it's all kind of
clicking and you're seeing how it all feeds into each other.
Who are you targeting to get rid of? Who would
you you know, what spot would you be looking to upgrade?
I mean, or you're gonna do it a Kyle Williams
expense to another guy who's going to come back in
year two that you hope has an offseason with Drake
and you know, has a better understanding the offense and
maybe a little bit more chemistry.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
So it's just it's an interesting position.

Speaker 5 (01:42:32):
I know everybody's desperate for wide receivers, and it makes
sense to always try to keep.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
Targeting great players.

Speaker 5 (01:42:37):
But at the same time, this is a kind of
tough answers, you know, tough, tough, tough way to figure
it out.

Speaker 3 (01:42:42):
Todd's in North Carolina. What's up, Todd?

Speaker 23 (01:42:46):
Hey, guys, big conversation with just two of you going on.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
No thanks Tod.

Speaker 3 (01:42:51):
Now three of us got two takes for.

Speaker 13 (01:42:53):
You, guys.

Speaker 23 (01:42:54):
My first point is I agree with Evan. I think
the goal posts need to be moved. I think that's
due to Drake May and of course Mike Rabell. I
think they've made it well. And let's put McDaniel's in
there too, because they've they've done it, they've worked it out,
they've got a formula there. I think we need to
I think we need to win at least one playoff
game this year to be count the sixth year as

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a success. And my second point is with Williams. I
feel like he to me, he looks like Booty. When
Booty was first year as a rookie, Booty just would
get lost on a rout. He just didn't know it.
He didn't get it. And maybe some guys that takes
the year or to get into it. I think Booty's
what in his third year now, yeah, yeah, yeah, so

(01:43:36):
maybe it takes a lot because Booty, like his first year.
You wouldn't put him out there and be dependent on
him for anything, would you.

Speaker 3 (01:43:42):
No, No, He's He's an amazing turnaround for Booty, and
I think a lot of it was growing up a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
Yeah, and he admits that's what he said too.

Speaker 23 (01:43:50):
Yeah, So maybe we need to wait for Williams and
get him to do something similar. So those are my
two thoughts. I'll let you guys talk creat you guys,
all right.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
Thanks tot.

Speaker 5 (01:43:58):
I know you guys have you If they don't bite
his puppies, they're not going to debite his dogs. But
I still think you can have a guy bounce back
after a subpar rookie year, especially when he's not getting
a lot of opportunities.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
But with Kyle Williams' speed, that's just continues to intrigue me.

Speaker 5 (01:44:13):
And as I've said many times before, I think it's
an element that this offense misses a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
With their receives.

Speaker 3 (01:44:18):
And it's not like he's dropping balls. It's that he's
not in the right place.

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
It just doesn't look right, like that's what me and
Paulky say. Just doesn't look right. It doesn't like, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:44:26):
And otherwise you see Drake putting the ball like you know,
pinpoint accuracy into a guy's hands. And then when he's
starting to Kyle Williams, it's like over here, I mean,
it's not Drake's accuracy. They're clearly just isn't that chemistry yet?
And hopefully when we see you know, this offseason, oh,
Drake and everybody's down in Georgia, you know, pontooning or whatever.
You know, you see Kyle Williams there and he's you know,
helping him and running plays and getting in the playbook.

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
Robert and Portland, Maine right sin. Everyone keeps repeating that
the Patriots are only good because of our week's schedule,
but no one acknowledges that the Patriots are supposed to
be one of those weak teams on the schedule. Paul
said himself when the season started that the Patriots should
win most of the games early in their lineup, but

(01:45:09):
he estimated they would lose fifty percent of them, that's
just how the statistics work. Then we won them instead.
If the Patriots were only winning because of their schedule,
we'd be losing half of our games right now. Also,
I didn't hear anyone acknowledged Josh Allen saying that the
Patriots were a lot better team than their record showed
during his press conference after our loss in Buffalo in

(01:45:31):
December last year. My question to you, how different do
you think our record would have been last season if
Rabel and McDaniels were coaching.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
Oh geez, that's a good question. It is a good question.

Speaker 5 (01:45:43):
I mean a lot to a lot of threads, you know,
to on pull, but I know it as was it Drake?

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
Rookie Drake?

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
And he started on the get go?

Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
Yeah. First of all, I would assume if Rabel was
the coach in the offseason last year, he would have
started Drake. May I think I think everybody on the
show at the gate, I think we all just thought
that Rake should start, not Jacoby Brissette. Right, I can't
remember I think I did.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
I don't think I did.

Speaker 5 (01:46:10):
I think I was okay, getting getting our feet wet
with Jacoby a little bit I think.

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
I I mean, I wasn't like, you know, ranting and raving.
But if I had my choice, I would have started
Drake May.

Speaker 2 (01:46:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:46:20):
I mean, you know, you know, looking at the schedule,
I mean at San Francisco, Houston was tough last year,
but you could have beat the Jaguars, the Titans, I mean,
the Jets.

Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
I don't know, but they would have won more than
four games. Yeah, let's put it that way.

Speaker 5 (01:46:36):
I mean, Indy, I mean there were some there were
definitely there were some easy schedule games last year.

Speaker 7 (01:46:40):
They know.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
Plus you didn't play Buffalo until but.

Speaker 5 (01:46:42):
Twice in the last three weeks, which is just bizarre.
But yeah, I don't know, it's I mean, it's just
tough to say. With the quarterback is.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
The biggest situation for me.

Speaker 3 (01:46:50):
Oh oh boy, Hello, I feel like we should have
some entrance music out.

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
Look, who's back from the locker room?

Speaker 3 (01:47:00):
Alex is here? Hi Alex?

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
Sorry you need a song? We don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:47:04):
You tell us where are you coming from the locker room?

Speaker 22 (01:47:07):
And so where do we start? Diggs, Scrum, Evan Cam,
you know, the drill, Eft and Chisholm and Garrett Bradbury today.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
Yeah, it was. He was very excited.

Speaker 22 (01:47:21):
Yeah, And I saw him talking to Fton and I
was like, is he actually going to be talking about
like this community.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
Angle or.

Speaker 21 (01:47:29):
That he wasn't asking about that stuff.

Speaker 22 (01:47:32):
But I definitely only heard football, but that's all I
could overhear a couple of lockers down.

Speaker 5 (01:47:38):
Yeah, great, let's talk about your would you talk to
the lock I figured.

Speaker 22 (01:47:42):
I would go into the digs scrum because we didn't
really have anyone over there.

Speaker 21 (01:47:46):
So it was actually like kind of a loaded one.
Nobody no one farted that I know, at least not
on my side.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
Thing but told us I don't know, you don't know,
was no, do you have it narrowed down to like
five people?

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
Maybe? I don't even want to, Like.

Speaker 21 (01:48:05):
You have people's arms coming out of you from either end.

Speaker 5 (01:48:08):
I mean, the girl farts smell different than boyfart's, depends
what like if it's kind of fruity or you're like that,
probably a girl fart.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
It was a little fruity.

Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
The soul for ones, Okay, all right, okay, anyways, interesting
stuff out of the Digs one.

Speaker 22 (01:48:29):
He said that he was kind of asked if Drake
was like a big lure him for him to come here,
because that's what Rabel said on the Thursday Night Football Show,
and he said it was kind of like a conglomerate
between McDaniel's rabels, Drake, and Todd Downing, who he has
a relationship with.

Speaker 21 (01:48:44):
Going back to Minnesota.

Speaker 22 (01:48:45):
He talked about how he seemed he feels like he's
like studying more film than ever before with a receivers coach.
From I hope I'm not miss quoting him. It's hard
to hear, but from like a quarterbacks perspective. And then
the really interesting one was talking about how Drake throws
a really catchable ball and it kind of has like
a basketball touch on it. And then he sneaks in

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that he had a broken finger a couple of weeks ago,
so he told Drake he really appreciates how he throws
the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
I think it was roch.

Speaker 21 (01:49:14):
She was like, wait, let's go back to that. You
broke your finger a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 22 (01:49:18):
And stuff was like, yeah, don't worry about it, And
I'm not worried about it, so you don't have to.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
Like I'm guessing he probably is still broken. It was
just a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 5 (01:49:25):
That's fine now thought wow, because it's continuing to impress
me with toughness.

Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
And yeah all, I mean that's been a really great
development this year. Is not just Digs, you know, playing well,
but the leadership. Yeah yeah, I mean that's the influence
he's had over a wide receiver room last year that
was in shambles. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
Him and Hollins too. I just think I always mentioned
both those guys. I think they're kind of a good
twosome to you know.

Speaker 5 (01:49:54):
I mean, Hollins talks a lot about him and Chisholm
have this funny relationship. But you know as firsthand, I
mean the every Wednesday Digs ready to go. You know,
people walk in the locker room, He's standing there ready
and you know, saying all the right things. And you know,
I just am so impressed with the player that he is.
When you I mean, we saw him when he was
a buffalo, and he would you'd see that you know,

(01:50:14):
four or five, six, seven, eight catches he would have
against you. But when you watch him week in and
week out, and you see the little things that he
does and the little moments and the little extra yards
that he gets here and there, or the got to
have it moment when you it's gonna probably go to Diggs,
and they still go to Digs, just like Josh Allen did.

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:50:31):
He's he's a he's a really remarkable player.

Speaker 5 (01:50:33):
And it's you know, not all these guys, like superstars
don't always have like the biggest size and the fastest speed.
Like you wouldn't really think Stefan Diggs is all that
remarkable just standing there. But the way that he tempos
his routes and the he kind of runs like you
can't get a beat on his speed. He is a
master route meet, you know, master meet and it shows
like the craft of it. It's not just yeah, just

(01:50:55):
run fast and get open and catch the ball. There
is you know, real thought that goes into it. And
he's he's among the best in the league today of
being able to get open and you know, find space
and make catches and keep the ball, keep the.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
Change of mean he's great with may imagine him with
Tom Brady. I mean, I go back to Randy Moss.
You know, Randy Moss had a high, high football IQ
and that's why right away he blended well with Brady
because they were just on the same page from day one.
And you know, Diggs is is much the same. He's

(01:51:28):
got a high football IQ.

Speaker 5 (01:51:30):
He's bringing the best out of you know, everybody around him.
And yeah, I say, you know, he's such a like
I said, m VP offensive MVP after Drake.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
You know, he's just he's he's been huge.

Speaker 6 (01:51:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
I put Will Campbell up there too.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
I thought about him.

Speaker 5 (01:51:44):
I mean I thought about him and Moses just because
what a disaster of the offensive line was.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
I mean, he's like, just for the reason alone the
last two years ago, all we talked about was like.

Speaker 5 (01:51:52):
The offensive line is such a disaster, like you can't
do anything, you know, and and and maybe to that
point when you talk about last year when they said, oh,
if Rabel was the like, is this still the same
offensive line from last year?

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
Because fair enough, maybe it wouldn't looked as different.

Speaker 5 (01:52:05):
I mean, I think Josh is pretty smart and experienced
and would maybe know how to work around that, and
maybe with better coaching they could have gotten better play
out of.

Speaker 3 (01:52:12):
Well that's a good one, because but if a coaching
staff was all the same as last year minus Rabel,
it may not be that much better because it was
a hodgepodge of coaches that Mayo had no history with.
You didn't know who they were. They were just trying
to cobble it together and it just didn't work. And yes,

(01:52:33):
we can talk about may and Vrabel a lot, but
these assistant coaches are another big reason why we're seeing
the turnaround we see it.

Speaker 22 (01:52:41):
My lunch has been so consistent. I mean last year,
how many different variations did they roll out? Like what
group went out there? More than three times altogether?

Speaker 5 (01:52:49):
Yeah, it was ridiculous, And I mean and it was
nice to hear Brabel credit the trio of assistant coaches
that are on the offensive line with Robert Kugler and
Jason o'tayling haas they call him, and Doug Moron, who
it's still like I keep reminding myself like he was
a head coach in the league. You forget that your
offensive line coach, you know, coach both in Buffalo and

(01:53:11):
and Jacksonville, and you know was in an AFC championship
here in Jacksonville.

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
I mean, they just got a lot of experience on the.

Speaker 3 (01:53:17):
Alex were you Averbel?

Speaker 21 (01:53:19):
I was?

Speaker 3 (01:53:20):
Do you know why the line of questioning to start
off was all about like you know, his relationship with
players and culture and all that stuff. Like is there
something going around that people were talking about before the
press conference that made them ask those questions?

Speaker 22 (01:53:36):
Or I wonder if it's stems from Thursday night in
the postgame show with the crew there for Amazon, just
kind of talking about how like these guys are like
a lot of them his kids age, so it's it's
kind of fun to be like coaching them.

Speaker 21 (01:53:50):
And I don't know, but I don't know.

Speaker 22 (01:53:52):
I think the beginning of the press conference took me
thrown off automatically because Karen Grigian has Jerry duty.

Speaker 3 (01:53:58):
Oh I could say, R was like.

Speaker 21 (01:54:00):
Okay, Karen's not here, looks for Sophie. I think Nicole
Yane got the first question today.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
You were like on deck.

Speaker 3 (01:54:08):
So she's still on jury because she was on Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:54:10):
Maybe she got on a jury.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
Maybe yeah, maybe she's a questered.

Speaker 21 (01:54:13):
Imagine she's on serving on the Grand Turk or something.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:54:16):
Speaking of the Amazon crew, though, Alex keep a holiday
card to Paul, and I was kind of disappointed. I
did not receive a holiday card.

Speaker 21 (01:54:23):
Always, and I printed it out as a joke.

Speaker 22 (01:54:25):
You were at your desk and I have one for
you too, but you're grinding away and I didn't want
to see you.

Speaker 21 (01:54:30):
Paul was not at his desk.

Speaker 5 (01:54:31):
I was like, this will be you got to describe
it college not even at the was it a holiday
card of a show what he wrote?

Speaker 2 (01:54:37):
You got to talk about it.

Speaker 22 (01:54:39):
We've just been having a joke, like I think going
back to early last week about like Chris Thompson, how
excited we all were to see her.

Speaker 2 (01:54:46):
Because some of us for some reasons, right next.

Speaker 21 (01:54:49):
To us.

Speaker 22 (01:54:51):
For I think more legitimate reason. Right, I had a
great moment with Carissa. We talked for a long time
after Thursday at football.

Speaker 21 (01:54:58):
She followed me back on Instagram. Big deal, A nice message.

Speaker 22 (01:55:03):
But I took the photo that we took together, and
just to be funny, I like went on Canva and
made myself like a Christmas card template and I just
said like, Merry Christmas from Alex and her.

Speaker 21 (01:55:13):
Close personal friend Chrissa, and put it on Paul's desk.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
Got a good laugh. I got in there today because.

Speaker 22 (01:55:19):
He wasn't in there to see if he did anything
with it, it's probably in the trash.

Speaker 21 (01:55:22):
It was nowhere to be found.

Speaker 5 (01:55:23):
We had a lot of fun with it, like she
was getting you know, dressed in like a little corner
of where kind of outside of where we sit, and
like I to get to Paul's office, I kind of
have to walk out, and so I kept making.

Speaker 3 (01:55:32):
The joke of like, oh did you get that thing?

Speaker 6 (01:55:35):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:55:35):
When I'd walk out, did did you see that?

Speaker 19 (01:55:37):
You know?

Speaker 6 (01:55:38):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:55:39):
But that was cool. We had a good time.

Speaker 21 (01:55:42):
One quick thing from the locker room.

Speaker 3 (01:55:43):
I'm surprised they don't have their own makeup thing when
they they have to use.

Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
They took that up shop they did.

Speaker 22 (01:55:49):
It's like a little pop up situation. They had like
two director's high top directors shires, They had lighting, and
then one to two makeup girls.

Speaker 3 (01:55:57):
You should have hopped in there like hey, get some
free makeup.

Speaker 21 (01:56:02):
No, right, makeup artists don't like that.

Speaker 22 (01:56:04):
Like if you, like are in a wedding and you
say you don't want your makeup done, and then at
the last minute you try to slide in there, They're.

Speaker 5 (01:56:09):
Like, no, is it hard though as a girl when
you get your makeup done, because you probably have like
your regime that you like and then they're going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
Like, oh, I'm giving you like a shadow or I
don't know.

Speaker 22 (01:56:18):
What totally, but you're more of like a neutral I or.

Speaker 5 (01:56:24):
I was a man of honor and a wedding with
my was man of honor and my and my friend
Ashley's wedding and they had girls do makeup for all
the bridesmaids.

Speaker 2 (01:56:31):
And they're like, you want to get your hair done?
I'm like, all right, I swear to god, they made
me look like I was on the Jersey shore, Like
they gave me this like weird haircut. And now, like
all the pictures of the wedding.

Speaker 5 (01:56:40):
I'm like, what is it like Ronnie doing in They're
like reading the you know, reading my speech, Like this
does not look right on me at all.

Speaker 2 (01:56:47):
It was totally different. Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:56:49):
Quickly though, Ramandre kind of was looking like he was
gearing up to go out to practice for sure, based
on his outfit. Yeah Hooper, I didn't see, but I
wasn't in there the whole time. I saw Christian Ellis
heaping up hands.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
I feel like it's good.

Speaker 22 (01:57:04):
Maybe not taping yourself up if you're not going to
go out and participate.

Speaker 3 (01:57:08):
Be good to get him back. Yeah, I forgot about him.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I need some depth he can, he can,
he can scoot.

Speaker 5 (01:57:14):
I mean, I think it's good against Chase Brown, who
Evan mentioned, and the Patriots have kind of struggled against
those kind of guys. I mean, I think if I
was desperate in a fantasy situation, I might like slip
Chase Brown in there just as a wild card, because
I mean, if I was Joe Flacco, I would say,
we're targeting you short.

Speaker 2 (01:57:30):
Try to you know, keep the chains moving. We push
the other guys down the field.

Speaker 3 (01:57:33):
Yep. All right, Well listen, it's been fun, but it's
time to go. But we'll be back tomorrow at noon.
It'll be Thursday, so we'll have the full crew for
a little bit. We have the picks tomorrow, so we'll
have to hurry and we'll be getting that much closer
to the Cincinnati Bungles. Let's go, all right, Thanks for listening. Hey,

(01:57:59):
this is out.

Speaker 21 (01:58:00):
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