Patriots Unfiltered 4/24: Full Day 1 Coverage of the 2025 NFL Draft

Tune-in as the PU crew cover the entirety of night one of the NFL Draft. We react to the Patriots selection of Will Campbell at fourth overall, his reaction to getting drafted, and what his talents will bring to New England. We share our thoughts on other teams' picks, trades, and discuss how the Patriots should move on day two. Plus, we cut to Alex, who reports from the Patriots Draft Party at Gillette Stadium.

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Speaker 2 (00:24):
All right, it is Draft night here at Gillette Stadium,
Thursday night, night one of the Draft. It's Patriots Unfiltered,
our special draft show, always our favorite show every year
that we do. We're gonna be here all night. It's Evan,
it's Paul, it's me, it's Deuce, it's Matt Naboof. And
we've got Alex up in the draft party. We're gonna

(00:44):
go to her momentarily. But guys, we're finally here. We've
been talking about it, talking about it, and finally we
get to do it. It is Draft night. Patriots have
the fourth pick. As we all know, early predictions. Let's
go around the table.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
Well, I gotta go with the flow. I think everybody's
saying right now, it's going to be Will Campbell. That's
what the hype and all the scuttle but is here
as we finally get to the draft. So I think
that sounds like the pick. It makes sense to me.
I know there are some concerns, but after Hunter and
Carter at the top two, there's gonna be some questions
about no matter who you pick, I think if it
is Will Campbell, I'm all for it.

Speaker 6 (01:19):
Evan, I think this is the first time that I've
seen such consensus at a pick that's not like number
one overall. Right, it just feels like everybody has penciled
Will Campbell in as a Patriot at this point. I
think the only wrench that could possibly be thrown into
this is if they trade down, and if they are
able to find a partner to trade down with. But

(01:40):
I'm gonna go with the masses because this is unprecedented
in my mind that one, two, three, and four are
pretty much all known going into the night.

Speaker 7 (01:49):
Paul, Yeah, I'm with the boys on Will Campbell. But
I just want to start by saying how happy I
am from Mike and Evan. This is, you know, basically
the culmination of.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Well of a four five months say that I can
see Evan is excited. Look out, he's dressed so Natalie,
the two of you, I'm very disappointed, very disappointed you
wear more Patriots gear and a regular. You know, Tuesday,
it's a special night.

Speaker 5 (02:11):
I thought I should dressed. I'll just to impress tomorrow
for look at that.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I went all out. I've got my Patriots baseball shirt on.

Speaker 5 (02:18):
Wait where did that come from? Fred shop?

Speaker 7 (02:21):
Was the central? I thought they played refs they playing
right and George just playing left. It was in left center.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
The tough lost International Forest products last.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Year playing softball playing right field. He had a good arm.

Speaker 7 (02:34):
Yeah yeah, So I let's put it this way. I
think we all kind of feel like it's Will Campbell.
So let's throw out a trade scenario. Is there a
trade trade down scenario that you think has any realistic
opportunity to happen?

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Absolutely? I think I listen what I haven't given my
prediction yet.

Speaker 7 (02:56):
Oh okay, thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
My prediction is plan a trade down and then trade
back into the first round. I think that's plan A
for this team. And if that doesn't work, if you
can't find a partner to trade down, it will be
Will Campbell and I'm pounding the table.

Speaker 7 (03:14):
We'll repeat my question then, So, assuming there's a trade
down to happen realistic, is there something that you guys
have in mind?

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Chicago Chicago. Well that's the rumors, right yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:27):
I mean if Chicago in Jacksonville, which is the rumor
right now, although now there's rumors out there that Jacksonville
is actually trying to go up, not down, So who
knows what's up down? I don't know anymore. If Chicago
is really as infatuated by Ash and genty as everybody
is making it sound. If I'm the Patriots, I feel
pretty comfortable going from four to ten in a draft

(03:49):
like this. You might still get your guy. You might
still get Will Campbell at ten. If not, you can
come up with a pretty good stack of players to
still get At ten. They have two second round picks
Chicago thirty nine and one, so you get an extra
second round pick, and now you have four picks on
Day two of the draft, and you could really control
Day two.

Speaker 7 (04:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
To me, Fred like throughout this process, whenever I mess around,
you do these mock drafts, you play with the mock
draft trackers, all that stuff. Whenever I traded down and
just picked up an extra second round pick, it really
just opened up everything. Those are my favorite drafts. It
gives you the most flexibility. I would trade down to ten, absolutely,
even if it meant maybe losing Will Campbell, I think
you'd still get one of those other tackles in that spot.
But as we talked about on the pre show we

(04:28):
did earlier today, it seems like they have to come
out of today with a tackle. I mean, we can
debate about what end of the spectrum we're on, but
those tackles are going to go fast. You've seeing some
of the reporting here saying that that's those are positions
that are gonna go. It's the biggest position to need
on this roster. I think they've got to figure out
a way to come away with one of those.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Guys time No, I like I said, I think plan
a trade down and then trade back in. But if
they end up with Will Campbell, whether it's four or
ten or whatever, I'm gonna be very.

Speaker 7 (04:58):
Happy with that.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
I mean, what listen, when this draft process started, the
college season ended, he was the number one tackle for
a reason, for a reason, and I think he still
is the number one tackle in my book and everything
that I've seen so far, and particularly lately with these.

Speaker 7 (05:16):
Interviews he's had. I like this guy.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
I like the cut of his Jim.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
Don't you feel like it's what the Patriots offensive line needs.
I mean, I know we can debate about how good
of a player Will Campbell, you know, will be with
whether he's left tackle. They needed an injection of a
guy like this. I feel like that's gonna kind of
be the leader you lost David Andrews. But I think
all those lines that they had throughout the years when
over there they had a little bit of, you know,
Logan Mankins, a little bit of a snarl to it,
a little bit of a personality to it. I think

(05:41):
that's something that's kind of lacking a little bit, not
you know, no offense to players like I mean, Michael,
when you kind of a quiet guy, that's fine, you
can be great and be quiet. But I just love
Will Campbell's attitude. He seems to me from the second
I heard him talk leader confident.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
I'm I'm sold. I'm like I said, whether it's btt PTT, what.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
You got to do? Get the guy here?

Speaker 6 (06:03):
So what's that?

Speaker 7 (06:05):
But this is this is interesting to me because you
know I can fabricate an argument, I'll.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Have to drop of a hat.

Speaker 7 (06:09):
So that's what I'll do. I'll do what I go.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Let's go.

Speaker 7 (06:12):
So I am I'll start by saying I am all
for the trade down, and the Chicago thing to me
makes sense because of what we've heard, all this stuff
about Ben Johnson, his desire to have that second running
back and he needs to get in front of Jacksonville
at five, New England at four to get Ashton genty.
So I think that makes some sense, and I love
Evans's idea of getting like, say forty one to go

(06:34):
with it. Now, the risk of that is you guys
are so sold that it's Will Campbell. It has to
be Will Campbell. So now you you run the risk
of losing Will Campbell. Yeah. Ten, which I'm okay with.
But it doesn't sound like you guys are the way
you're talking about Will Campbell. He's a special guy.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
No I am, as long as when you trade back
in you get somebody like Josh Conray.

Speaker 7 (06:55):
Yeah. Okay. Well, so it's not about Will Campbell. It's
about a left town. And that's where I am. No, no, no, no, no.
At four it's Will Campbell. Freddy yea, yeah, it's Will Campbell.
I'm saying I would rather the trade because I would
rather the prospect. First of all, I think you can
get Will Campbell at ten. But if you don't, I'm
fine with that. I am absolutely fine with it, because

(07:15):
I'm going to get a tackle, whether I get it
at ten. If it happens that Membo and Banks are
gone by the time you go at ten, which is
a possibility that Jets could take a tackle, the Raiders
could take a tackle, So you run the risk of
losing out on your guy. You do. No chance, no
doubt about that. But now I have that other chip
that Evan talked about at forty one that allows me

(07:36):
to get Simmons or Connolly or you know, even Ursery
or someone like that. I can get a left tackle.
It doesn't have to be Will Campbell for me. But
I do agree with you guys. I know technically you
don't have to come out of this draft with a
left tackle, but I think you really kind of need to.
And I really said it's.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
Kind of got to be tonight. I think because the
train's going to have left the station. I think we
get to the second round tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (08:00):
Yeah. I mean there's five or six starting caliber tackles
in this draft, and I say five or six because
the Josh Simmons is injury situation. But once you get
past that second wave of Simmons, Ursery and Connerly, there
are no other tackles that are grading out as starting
caliber guys. There's some developmental guys that our boom or
bust and they could hit you know, on day two

(08:21):
early day three that maybe could turn into that someday.
But for a team that when you put up the
depth chart for the New England Patriots right now and
you look at this team right now, there's just a
glaring hole on the left side of the offensive line.
The only way that's getting filled is if they take
somebody tonight.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
All right, As we mentioned, there's a potty going on
right now, and upstairs from where we are speaking, there's
a big draft party sponsored by I believe bud Light,
I'm not sure. Yeah, And our own Alex is up there.
So let's go to Alex and Alex give us the mood.
I don't see a party. I see you standing in
front of a bunch of empty seats.

Speaker 8 (08:59):
Well, listen, it's a beautiful night out. We wanted to
get this nice shot of magic Hour in the lighthouse
before it gets too dark, and then we're gonna have
a lot of time to be inside.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Okay, to the basement, So give me, give us a
little I'd love to see the insight. Can we spin
the camera and take a look I don't know.

Speaker 6 (09:17):
With me.

Speaker 9 (09:21):
And talk.

Speaker 7 (09:21):
Yeah, it's like it's like she's doing like the network news. Yeah,
walk standing walk.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, I feel like I'm on HG TV.

Speaker 10 (09:28):
Absolutely, let's let's look at the beautiful open concept there.

Speaker 8 (09:33):
We got Tailaw and Lawyer Maloy right now on Stiage okay,
And previously we had Robert Spallane and Milton Williams opening
up with Sarge. So the vibes are high, the bud
light's flowing, smells like buffalo wings in here, okay. And
I'm seeing a lot of number fifty jerseys this year.
I don't know if it's just standing out to me
more this year, but a lot of people are really

(09:55):
glad they held on.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
And how many people? Did you have an estimate of
how many people? I heard there were at least six
hundred early, but how many are there now? It's probably
over a thousand.

Speaker 7 (10:05):
Would you say you have you counted? It's higher more
than more than six hundred, being.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Told over a thousand, over one thousand, I would say
over a thousand, and we're just in the club right now.

Speaker 8 (10:18):
We haven't even gotten into the atrium.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Oh wow, so there's two sections of the draft. Wow, okay,
sound and the food's flowing, the beers, the bud light's flowing.
Sounds good. So what's gonna happen Alex?

Speaker 5 (10:29):
This second?

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 8 (10:32):
I was just gonna say. The second the elevator doors open,
it was just buffalo sauce all you could smell.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
It's in toxic.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
I love it. I love it. It clears up the sinuses.
This is allergy season. I need that. I need that
all right at exactly so you have a good time.
And what we're gonna do after the pick, we're going
to come to you for fan reaction. Whenever that pick happens.

Speaker 8 (10:54):
Hopefully we'll find you guys some characters.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, so go make some friends. I'm these people up,
and then when we make the pick, we'll come back
to you and get some reaction from the party.

Speaker 8 (11:07):
Sounds good talks here.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
All right. That's Alex up at the butt light. Drafts
pretty cool.

Speaker 7 (11:12):
I like that was pumping pumping up there. I can
actually smell she's standing in front of the seats, so
I can smell the buffalo. Yeah, buffalo.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
So when I was in the elevator, I smelled it
to a boneless.

Speaker 7 (11:23):
You know, my guess is worried about not being able
to hear. Yeah, so she wanted.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Do you remember the old Flintstone cartoon when he would
smell food and he'd start floating along. Yeah, that was
me when I smelled the buffalo.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
Yeah, he drove his feet with his cartoo. Interesting. Yeah,
Bridgestone multipurpose.

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(12:06):
So we're waiting for this first pick here. I think
the Patriots pick will be around eight forty five to
nine o'clock somewhere in that area. Yeah, maybe a little sooner,
should I should I fill out the back of my
envelope because I absolutely.

Speaker 7 (12:21):
Oh, I think I don't want to. I don't want
to before we get much.

Speaker 6 (12:24):
I don't want to.

Speaker 7 (12:25):
You just said that you didn't know.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
But I want to make sure people hear my back
of the envelope before we get into it.

Speaker 6 (12:31):
This is as last minute as it is.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
It is so I think where when we left you last,
I was talking about uh O, line and edge. R
j Oben was my last guy from Notre Dame. I
did three more positions. I have to admit I didn't
get to the defensive backs uh and I didn't bother
with center and guards. But tight ends, I just have

(12:55):
a couple. Remember these are back of the envelope. Okay,
these aren't. I think there's a lot of decent tight
ends in this draft, but these are back of the
envelope guys. I got Harold fannin junior from Bowling Green. Yeah,
six three forty one, huge, huge stats, huge stats, record breaking.
But I need him to drop to day three. I

(13:15):
don't want to take him day two.

Speaker 6 (13:17):
Yeah, he's right there on in the third or fourth
round range. The stats, like you said, are off the charts,
record breaking season last year at Bowling Green. I think
that his film against Penn State really stood out to me.
I mean, if you want to look at him against
a legitimate, you know, college football playoff caliber defense, went
for a buck twenty and a touchdown against Penn State,

(13:37):
So if you're concerned about the level of competition, he
was able to do it against an FBS power as well.
But he's a little undersized. He's kind of a tweeter
maybe h back, full back slash tight end at the
NFL level. John new Smith, I think is a comp
that a lot of people have for Harold Finns.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
Okay, I was the most valuable player first time ever
for a tight end according to Arlett's.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Okay, my second tight end back of the envelope guys
is Jalen Conyers from Texas Tech sixty three two sixty yep.
I have him down as an athlete. This guy has
rare skills for a guy that with that type of girth,
I would say.

Speaker 6 (14:14):
Yeah, you're kind of picking two of the same, similar
kind of guys. Both of them I think are probably
moved tight ends or full backs or h backs at
the next level. The thing that stood out to me
with him was straight line speed and explosiveness, like they
would set him up on you know, a little picks
coming over the middle of the field on crossing routes
and things like that, and just get him the ball
in his hands on the move. And he has a

(14:35):
pretty good top gear and like you said, he's he's
a pretty stout, you know, compact type of guy to
lead block and blocking the run game in different areas.
So a later guy than Fannin obviously, but one of
those guys on Day three that has caught some people's eyes.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
All right, then linebacker, I've got three. These are tough.
These are you know, smaller guys. My first one Small
Mondon Jr. From Georgia six five. I can't read my
writing Smrgins, I don't know, but I have him down
as an athlete and a leader.

Speaker 6 (15:09):
Yeah, so he's fantastic. I think, just a really great
hybrid linebacker safety prospect. Like if we were still drafted
in the Bill years with Dugger and Mapu and those
types of players, they'd be all over Smilmondon. I think
there's a lot of really good things to like about him.
Off the ball, linebacker play cover the slot, in man coverage,

(15:30):
whether it's tight ends, or bigger receivers out of the slot.
I thought his off ball linebacker tape was better than
Jalen Walker's in a lot of ways.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Okay, Demetrius Knight Junior from South Carolina, another six one,
two thirty five I got. I have him compared a
little bit to Bentley because he doesn't mind contact. This guy,
he's kind of a little bit of a thumper, but
he has more speed than I think Bentley had.

Speaker 6 (15:54):
So you turn on the game against Alabama for Demetrius
Knight and he makes a play against Jalen Milroe is
on the fastest quarterbacks and with the ball in his
hands in this draft in space, that's just incredible. Play
downhill trigger and just go find the quarterback and go
get him. Nick Bolton from Kansas City is another guy
that I kind of saw him as you know, downhill player.

(16:14):
You want him attacking the line of scrimmage. You want
him blowing up blocks and chasing quarterbacks and things like that.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
And then my final linebacker is Jack Kaiser out of
Notre Dame six one two one. Again, I've got him
as a leader. A lot of these linebackers end up
as captains. Ye uh, and just just a solid player yead.

Speaker 7 (16:31):
Of inherent with that position. A lot of communication involved
in that. Yeah, a good read by you.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
Yeah, really technically sound, a good scraper at the second level.
He's gonna make a lot of tackles at this level
and play a little bit on special teams too.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
And I've got three defensive tackles. Some of these guys
could end up on the outside. But the first one
I've got is uh yahaha Yahaya Black from Iowa six
three thirty six. This guy I have, you know, because we.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Got we got rid of.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Godshaw, So I think we're gonna want somebody at times
to eat up space and this guy could do that.

Speaker 7 (17:09):
You know, he's there's a need for a space eating
interior defensive lineman.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
So and he could go a little later. He's gettable.
Uh Tommy a king basodic Basodi from Maryland, Yeah, from
I don't know who that is, six three six. I've
got him as a raw talent. So this is like
a six round pick. You know, this is a special
teams guy probably well six three he's a little big force,
but you know, I think he's a raw talent's three

(17:37):
six three oh six yeah, yeah, no, yeah, so you
guys never heard of him from Maryland.

Speaker 6 (17:44):
Yeah, Maryland has a couple of defensive linemen in this
draft that are going to go probably into Day three,
early day three for one of whose name is escaping
me right now, but Phillips, Jordan Phillips, Yeah, so he's
he's the other guy. And then the guy Fred just
sort of the later day three guy as well in

(18:05):
this class. But both those guys are a little undersized
for the interior, but they're really good at like anticipating
blocks and beating guys to the spot. You know, see
all these outside zone teams nowadays, you had to be
able to move latterly and you know, win the gap
moving latterly, and both those guys can do it.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
And my final defensive lineman a little bit smaller than
the other guys, Tanka Hemingway out of South Carolina six four.
I have him down as versatile. You know at South Carolina,
as I was reading, they had him play every position
along the line, literally every position along that line. So

(18:43):
you know, he's a guy who's going to be a
late draft He couldn't even be a free agent. But
he's got a lot of versatility.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
He's built like a truck.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
That's why.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
That's why I literally when I was at the commine,
I overheard him telling the story of how he got
the nickname Tonka.

Speaker 7 (18:57):
Okay, I was part of it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
So that's my back of the people job. And I
have them written here so you know proof have the
back of the envelope and uh you know, when they
are taken by the Patriots, I'll have proof that I.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
I just like, say, fred A, I liked that you
did it on a envelope, and I also like you
weren't picking guys that you're like, I can't even say
this guy's name. You were picking the player, like if
the name was a little tough to pronounce or remember,
you didn't mind. You still went for it. Now you're
looking for quality for player.

Speaker 6 (19:26):
Don't scout the back of the jersey or the helmet.

Speaker 7 (19:28):
Right right, Well done, Frank, good job.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
So that there you go, and I the success will
be apologize for not getting to the defensive backs.

Speaker 7 (19:36):
But there's just too many of them, true.

Speaker 6 (19:38):
True, Mac McWilliams, back of the envelope for you just yeah,
but you can.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Have them, Matt McWilliams. Yeah, you see, okay.

Speaker 6 (19:46):
Mac McWilliams all right, slock corner, good player.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Okay, there sounds good. Sounds good. All right, So we're
getting closer to the beginning of this draft. Of course,
it starts at eight o'clock tennis. He's on the clock.
We all think cam Ward's a lock, right, Is that
is that true?

Speaker 7 (20:05):
Yes, it sounds it. Yeah, it sounds like they've all
but kind of signed off on it. I didn't. Mike
Berganzi actually said that they are not definitively not moving
the pick. He said, now I would assume, yeah, it's
for cam Ward.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, now, but the rumors are the Cleveland Cleveland is
shopping that second pick.

Speaker 6 (20:25):
It sounds like right now that the mood has changed
from the Jaguars going back with Chicago to actually going
up with Cleveland, and that the Jaguars and the Browns
are going to swap picks, which I just find fascinating
from a Cleveland standpoint, Like you're you're going to pass
up Travis Hunter is what you're gonna do, right, which
I think is crazy just given that their GM literally

(20:48):
called him the showe Aotania football and now they're going
to decide to pass on him at two. Overall, it
better be worth worth it. You know, it better be
a haul that they're getting.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, So I would assume Jacksonville is going to take Hunter, right.

Speaker 5 (21:01):
I would think so, yea, yeah, they're going to give
up to get them, And I mean it's a move
for them. It seems like they feel like they need
to make to get to another level. I know, Liam
Cullen being there, just I don't know. I just feel
like they're spinning their wheels always. It's never like a
direct plan. They blow it up, they start over. They
just kind of keep spinning their circles.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
But we'll see teams. I just for Cleveland at some point,
you got to pick some players, right, Like, they just
seem like this team that is rudderless, like and now
all of a sudden you have this Heisman Trophy winner,
two way superstar, and that now you're still not good enough.
We're still trading down.

Speaker 11 (21:36):
Like.

Speaker 7 (21:36):
I think it's a great spot for those two teams.
I mean, obviously, the ideal spot would have been like
last year's draft with all those quarterback options, but that's
not the reality. So I think they're both in a
good spot where they can get really good players in
Hunter and Carter and take the second swing at trying
to get a developmental quarterback, because I don't think there's
a huge difference developmental wise between Sanders in Dart or

(21:58):
even Milrowe is as Evan talked about on our show
earlier this afternoon, and just his his raw skills. I
think Cleveland and the Giants are crazy for passing up
Hunter and Carter. If they do, it's not going to
get them in trouble for something they haven't done yet.
But that's great.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Speaking of getting in trouble in the Giants, do you
hear about what the rumor is that their general manager's
son did he had I think he had. He was
doing something on Dart and he had to delete it.
Like I forget the exact story, but he had put
stuff up on his personal like YouTube site about Dart

(22:36):
and then he was told to take it there.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
This is Joe Shane's son.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Last year, get Daniels Joe Shane's son.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
They should hire Joe Shane son to you didn't hear
about this?

Speaker 6 (22:47):
The Giants thing is fascinating to me as well, because
I think there's a real divide and that in that
organization right now about what to do a quarterback like,
I think Brian Dable seems to really like Jackson Dart.
He wants to go, you know, up from the second
round into the back into the first round to get
Jackson Dart. I guess as that ownership is asking them
to please don't ten times before making the pick and

(23:11):
make sure that you're one hundred percent sure that Shador
Sanders is not going to be the next franchise quarterback,
you know, to come out of the draft. But both
those teams, I feel like are I thought I was
gonna give him a ton of credit and Paul's right,
we shouldn't, you know, get on them for doing something
wrong yet. But I was going to give him a
ton of credit for actually doing the right thing and
passing on the quarterbacks at the top of the draft.

(23:31):
And now both of them feel like they're going to
do the wrong thing because that's what they do.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
Yeah, when do you feel like they settled in on
cam Ward being first overall? Because when this whole process started,
it felt like it was Carter and Hunter. I agree,
I agree, Now Ward's the guy, Like is that just
because they sold themselves?

Speaker 7 (23:46):
I thought the combine finished and Wood was the number
one pick, But you guys would know better than I
on that, because you guys were there.

Speaker 6 (23:54):
Yes, yeah, they They seem to have fallen in love
with him more and more as the process has gone along.
And I think when you're making a pick at quarterback
like that, a lot of it is also the guy
like the person. It's going to be the quarterback, it's
going to be your franchise, so you have to fall
in love with the person as well. And his pro
day apparently was very, very impressive. He didn't do much
at the combine to really sway any teams, didn't work

(24:16):
out or throw or anything like that. But from what
all the scuttle butt is is that they really fell
in love with the person and really are comfortable with
him all around. I think there's plenty of evidence on
tape of him making some really high level franchise quarterback throws.
Is maybe a little bit more inconsistent than the guys

(24:37):
last year. Yeah, but I think that there's a lot
to like that.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
I mean, as the college season ended, my perspective, what
I was hearing was there was no consensus quarterback, and
if a quarterback went first, it would be Sanders. He
would be the first quarterback taken wherever he was taken,
not necessarily first overall, but he would be the first
quarquarterback off the board. And it wasn't until later that

(25:03):
cam Ward became the consensus first quarterback.

Speaker 7 (25:07):
Off the back or cam Ward by transferring from Washington
State to Miami, put himself in that conversation. I don't
think people were talking about him going into the season
as being a potential top five, top ten pick, but
going from Washington State to Miami, which not the SEC
but still a much better level of football, his production

(25:29):
was off the charts. That's when I think he kind
of put himself in that mix. And like I said,
I thought at the combine he came up. Maybe he
just really impressed a lot of teams at the combine
with as Evan said, you sort of you sell yourself
on the guy as much as the player, because let's
face it, the players all have ability, but at that position,
it's so important to have everything else too. Maybe they

(25:52):
were all convinced that he has what it takes off
the field to be the leader in the face of
the franchise.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
See that, to me is why I think should Or
Sanders is going to go in the top fifteen tonight.
I just think that he's going to make teams believe
so funny.

Speaker 7 (26:05):
That's why I think he's I don't think he exudes
leader in the face of the franchise.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
What you hear what that GM said about him, that he's.

Speaker 7 (26:16):
The worst interview he's ever had.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
A formal interview, the worst he's ever had.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
I mean, I'll, yeah, I like, I'll give teams a
lot of credit if they if that's if that's the
case and they don't take him early tonight. I just
think so many teams operating from a position to scared.
And I'm on your side, Paul, like I view it
the same way. But I just think that when guys
come in with so much confidence, there's always a group
of people who are going to buy it and who
are going to say he must know something, like he

(26:42):
just has something about him. I don't know what it is.
And I just I think that that confidence. I've seen
it so many times where people have so much self
confidence in what they're doing, even if they're selling total bs,
that people out there, there are people out there desperate
enough to buy it. And we'll see tonight if people
do see through it. And like I kind of to
do and I don't feel like it's real.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
But you got to combine that with the tape though.

Speaker 7 (27:04):
Yeah, the one thing I want to give Sanders a
little bit of an out forward that I don't know
is how much of the things that I You know,
this is not about me, but I'm just saying from
my perspective, how much of the things that I don't
like about him is holding the ball too long, running
around kind of aimlessly not necessarily, Like how much of

(27:24):
that is related to his personnel? Like could he be
better in a structured environment with with with a structured offense?
Like does he have the ability to get the ball
on timing back footballs out accuracy? Maybe he's better in
a better offense, and maybe he does have more ability
that I'm giving him credit for. I don't see the
physical skills when I watch him, and that's why I

(27:47):
would be passing on him and seeing if I could
get him in the second round if I were the
Giants or the Browns. But maybe I'm not giving him
enough credit. Maybe that's because of poor line play and
all the other things that go with it.

Speaker 6 (27:57):
At Colorado, it's a it's a gimmicky offense at Colorados.
There's not a ton of like NFL style dropbacks on
his tape in general, so you really are dealing with
a smaller sample size of that kind of stuff. I
think the two things that that teams are concerned about
with Sanders one his athleticism in and out of the
pocket to escape the rush. Like it just he doesn't

(28:18):
really have a ton of a you know, athleticism, sudden movement,
you know, that kind of stuff to elude sacks and
to get out of the pocket and make things happen.
There's also, you know, from a real quarterback junkie standpoint,
some concerns about his mechanics and the way that he
throws the football from a rotational standpoint that a lot
of people think that he's going to have to kind

(28:40):
of rework the way that he throws at the ball,
you know, rotating around the axis and stuff like that,
and and that that can be a real deal breaker.
You know that he might not be able to do that.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Well, we're about a minute away from Tennessee being on
the clock around seven o'clock. Adam Schefter tweeted this out.
I don't know if you guys saw it. He says.
When assessing how the top ten picks tonight will unfold,
one well placed source said, expect explosives. So I think,
you know, there's there's been a lot of talk. There

(29:12):
hasn't been a first round trade yet in this draft.
I think that's gonna change in a big way.

Speaker 7 (29:18):
Do you think that explosives means like a lot of
skilled position players going in the top ten.

Speaker 6 (29:22):
That's how I took it because I kind of felt
that way for a while that maybe there would be
a significant.

Speaker 7 (29:29):
Maybe like Travis Hunter, Ashton, gent Y, Tyler, Warren, Tep, McMillan,
Tech McMillan, maybe Colston Loveland, Matthew Golden. Matthew Golden. Yeah,
is that what he's talking about or is he talking
about like unexpect like explosive. I thought he was going
to say expect the unexpected, but said explosives.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
It's unclear what it exactly means.

Speaker 7 (29:47):
But I mean, I see it as a way, but
I mean, I'm not making fun of Schefter. That's why
he's that's why he's good. But that's like, let it
be open to the interpretation, you know, like the guy
who's consuming it could mean a lot of I.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Guess in a draft like this, maybe if you've got
to swing, swing big and take a chance on the
skill position player, and you know, if it doesn't work out,
well you took a shot.

Speaker 7 (30:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
I think that's part of the I don't know if
the word is the problem, but there's so much similarity
in the middle of this first round, into second round,
and then on into the second day that do you
really fall in love with any of these players that
are from ten to thirty five? I think you could
probably be talked off the spot on just about all
of them. So maybe teams are saying that they're just, look,
we don't love love any of these guys in the middle.

(30:34):
Let's package our two picks, go go get a guy
that we really do love and that we think will
actually move the needle instead of Yeah. I mean, I've
heard a lot of people talk about it today that
this is a solid draft, you know. I mean, we
talked about it too. I think I've had a great
way of putting it. This is a starter draft. It's
not a superstar draft.

Speaker 7 (30:50):
What is it kind of draft?

Speaker 2 (30:52):
It's a starter draft blue clothes, Well, it's a blue
qual college draft.

Speaker 12 (30:57):
Yeah, Yeah, Jeff for us, Evan, don't let them get
your dressed for the job, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
You know, any players from Sternford, you dress how you
feel and you're excited. These guys, I don't know so much.
We have a uh doctor mc cartoon.

Speaker 6 (31:19):
I mean, make much sense, Like my cold strange should
probably be with me.

Speaker 7 (31:25):
You know, yeah, right, you know that's all right, Dawes,
you've done better.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
I uh, well you got you got Evan with the
mono brow though.

Speaker 6 (31:33):
Yeah, I don't know what's.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Going on there.

Speaker 7 (31:37):
I just wonder, you know, it would have been funny
if you put yeah, it's good Lombo.

Speaker 6 (31:45):
There's just so much talent on the on the defensive
side of the ball in this draft, and the edge
rusher talent. Like I just wonder if a lot of
teams are going to ask themselves, do we really need
to take Jalen Walker, Michael Williams or one of these
guys in the top ten when on Day two there's
good to be a lutany of guys that are also
going to be available that we can just take and
play the same position. And I you know the same

(32:06):
thing as running back, right, It's kind of the same
sort of deal. There as well. And so when you
look at the skill position players, the receivers, the tight
ends that even you know go to the line and
go to left tackle, like, those are the spots where
there isn't as much depth and a draft like this.
So if you're one of these teams in the top
ten that really wants a wide receiver, are you taking

(32:27):
Ted McMillan and waiting till Day two to draft Jack
Betch or Jaden Higgins or you know, like, what are
you gonna do at that spot if you don't take
tech in the top ten.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
Yeah, that's why it's just surprising to me. I can
understand teams wanting to trade out for Carter Hunter. After that,
it's it's hard to see a team really like I
gotta go.

Speaker 7 (32:44):
That's why I'm okay with the Will Campbell plan instead
of Jalen Walker, because I really like Jalen Walker and
I'd like to take a shot at him. But I
think you guys have sort of convinced me that the
difference between Walker and someone you could get twenty to
thirty picks later at the same position probably isn't great.
I do think there's a I don't I don't think
there's a lot of tackles in this draft. I do
think there are a lot of edge guys. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Uh, Indy and Sioux City, South Dakota says that Duce
looks like he's on his way to church, which, yeah,
or at least the church dinner. You know, the ham
and bean dinner that they're having.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
Uh, you know the body of chrust.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, all right, I don't either. We got was this
Roger Goodell on a bike?

Speaker 7 (33:28):
Get it? He's very clever.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, we're watching NFL network. I'm sure they've got it on.

Speaker 7 (33:34):
If he just rode Roger off right off the stage,
I'd be a little worried.

Speaker 6 (33:39):
He tries to be coming.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
If they keep going stage so uh and now now
everybody's on a bike. Isn't that cute? That's so cute?

Speaker 5 (33:50):
These guys a little more comfortable than others on a bike.

Speaker 7 (33:53):
Yeah, a little way.

Speaker 5 (33:57):
They that that's for Will Camp?

Speaker 7 (34:00):
Right?

Speaker 2 (34:00):
How high.

Speaker 7 (34:02):
That's? But isn't like that? He's a New Orleans guy?

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Right?

Speaker 13 (34:06):
I was?

Speaker 5 (34:06):
Yeah, I saw the gable Wayne.

Speaker 6 (34:09):
Where was the super Bowl this year? New Orleans? New
Orleans guy?

Speaker 14 (34:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yeah, yeah, you want some Draft day trivia while we
wait for this pick.

Speaker 7 (34:15):
Yeah, okay, this Draft day trivia.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah yeah, the NFL has actually the draft has actually
been held in Wisconsin before I heard that. Do you
know the town that it was held in the year?

Speaker 7 (34:28):
It was Milwaukee.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
It was Milwaukee in nineteen forty, so I didn't even
know they had the draft of nineteen Who the draft?

Speaker 7 (34:36):
I actually read a story about.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
The guys, how many guys are available?

Speaker 7 (34:43):
So does this mean the draft is officially starting now?
It seems like.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
It's uh, well, the clock hasn't started.

Speaker 7 (34:48):
You know, Tennessee is not officially up yet because Goodell
usually opens the draft with this little thing that he
gets boot at, right.

Speaker 6 (34:56):
Yeah, we need like the what's the little chime?

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Something like that.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
I love that time.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Through its history, the NFL Draft has predominantly been held
in New York City wopping fifty seven times. Can you
name the cities that have hosted the draft? Second and
third most Detroit incorrect year?

Speaker 7 (35:16):
Philadelphia yes, twelve times?

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Who's after Philly?

Speaker 5 (35:22):
Washington, no big city staying I was staying in Chicago
nine times.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Since twenty fifteen, there have only been two first overall
picks taken that were not quarterbacks. Can you name those
two players since twenty fifteen.

Speaker 7 (35:37):
Oh, Mario Williams incorrect four fifteen fifteen.

Speaker 6 (35:44):
I thought we were just going in general here.

Speaker 7 (35:47):
Who's the number one overall pick? The Kenny pick a
year Trayvon Walker.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Trayvon Walker was correct twenty twenty. The other one was
picked in twenty seventeen. Still playing obviously, isn't the tackle
he is very highly Miles Miles Garrett.

Speaker 6 (36:06):
Yes, that's took me way too long.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
But got it, don't Scaret?

Speaker 2 (36:10):
I get this one's a little tougher.

Speaker 7 (36:13):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
This year, the top four picks are held by Tennessee, Cleveland,
New York Giants in New England. Can you name the
players those teams picked the last time they drafted in
those spots?

Speaker 7 (36:24):
Okay, so Tennessee one would be.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
They weren't the they weren't the Titans back then, Campbell
Earl Campbell's correct.

Speaker 7 (36:36):
N The second would that be Miles Garrett?

Speaker 6 (36:40):
No, he was one.

Speaker 7 (36:42):
Oh it's two. Yeah, so they had to be picking
Courtney Brown.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
No. I think it was was Belichick there then at
that time. I'll give you the year ninety one, yeah, probably, yeah,
not necessarily a first round town.

Speaker 7 (36:59):
Well if it wasn't the first round talent Bill pick? Right?

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Eric Turner?

Speaker 7 (37:03):
Isn't it nice that we can do that now? We
couldn't do that right for twenty years because Frederi get
mad at me.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
I'll tell you, Eric, to.

Speaker 7 (37:11):
Be honest with you. I think Bill was a good
draft for the Patriots and died. I've died on that
hill before.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
You said, very good.

Speaker 7 (37:18):
So who was it, Eric, Eric Turner? That good player?

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Not the Giants?

Speaker 6 (37:22):
Three?

Speaker 7 (37:23):
Three?

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Think think when Parcells was there?

Speaker 7 (37:27):
That wouldn't have happened if Parcells was here.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Lawrence Taylor, No, but you got the position right linebacker
Carl Banks nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 7 (37:42):
It was the third pick.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
And then who were the Patriots last time?

Speaker 7 (37:47):
They picked? Four Will.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Nineteen ninety four?

Speaker 6 (37:51):
Its are on the clock, all right, here we go.

Speaker 7 (37:53):
We officially up. Yes, the clock is okay.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
So they're doing ten minutes between picks.

Speaker 7 (37:57):
In the first draft started at eight oh eighty.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Remember it wasn't that when there was fifteen minutes between picks.

Speaker 6 (38:03):
I think there should be more time between picks.

Speaker 7 (38:05):
There should do less. Yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Everybody a baseball route.

Speaker 7 (38:08):
I think everybody should have thirty seconds to make a right,
especially in the first round.

Speaker 6 (38:13):
These are big decisions. You're making your field and trade call,
and I.

Speaker 7 (38:16):
Would hope you've already made it, thank you, Fred Kirch.

Speaker 6 (38:19):
Okay, but maybe yeah one. But like once you get
down into the into the twenty stuff like you have
to reset the board five.

Speaker 7 (38:26):
Minutes for every pick, and then once you get to
like the third round, four minutes.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Well I think that maybe I would say, Okay, they
can have they can have fifteen minutes like Eric, But
after every three minutes you have like a little shock
ding and it increasingly gets.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
I love torture.

Speaker 6 (38:42):
Yeah, we involved with the job.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
So like after ten minutes, if you haven't you get, you.

Speaker 7 (38:48):
Get ten minutes. But for every minute you take, you
lose cap space.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yeah, there you go, you go.

Speaker 5 (38:52):
I mean you need some kind of reward right now.
If Tennessee just walked right up at nine to fifty,
you know, two, and we're like, yeah, came more.

Speaker 7 (38:59):
Why are we gonna sit around if it ends up
being just for the sake of dis argument, if it
ends up being cam Ward Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, Will
Campbell right, So, in other words, the four picks that
everybody no, But if those were the four picks like
the betting like you go on DraftKings and that's what
everybody overwhelming odds. Why can't that just take the next half,

(39:22):
the next four minutes, that's what That's what TV exactly,
that's all. This is all all.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Like if I'm the Titans, though, and I really believe
in cam Ward. Pick is in like show the players
stated that you're fielding.

Speaker 7 (39:41):
No, you probably stated that.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
My guy just sitting there doing it for sale.

Speaker 6 (39:47):
The pick is not for They literally say to him,
do not call this in until two minutes are on
the clock because we want to milk it on TV.
They literally tell them like that, but you have well.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
I'm just playing. That's a cam Ward. I'm letting cam Ward.

Speaker 6 (40:02):
This is to take it up with Goodella and ESPN.
This has nothing to do with the Titans. The Titans
would make the pick right this second right. They want
to stop. Remember what they did with Bloodsoe? Did they
run the Bloodsoe pick right?

Speaker 7 (40:12):
And I wasn't. I wasn't working at the time, they.

Speaker 6 (40:15):
Weren't watching unemployed.

Speaker 10 (40:17):
The Patriots have only picked fourth overall two other times
prior to John Hannah Yes and Phil Olson and Phil Olson.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
That is correct. When was the last time the Patriots
made two picks in the first round? What year? And
who did they select?

Speaker 6 (40:32):
High Tower in twelve?

Speaker 7 (40:33):
Twenty twelve?

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Oh, come on, you know better than that two picks
in the first round.

Speaker 7 (40:37):
It wasn't.

Speaker 6 (40:41):
I just tried to bought that out. I just try
to just forget that one.

Speaker 5 (40:44):
They won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 (40:45):
I was with Evan. I thought it was High Tower.

Speaker 5 (40:48):
And yeah, we don't remember that one as well. We
don't always bring the High Tower.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
And remember that.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
Year Man twenty twelve, the trade back up they got
two players.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
When was the last time the Patriots did not make
pick in the first round?

Speaker 6 (41:01):
Twenty seventeen?

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Incorrect?

Speaker 5 (41:03):
Yeah, duggah Douga twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Right, twenty twenty.

Speaker 7 (41:06):
I wouldn't have gotten the year, but I just Kyle
Dugger was the second round pick.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
All right, Final question, We did that whole draft show.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Final question. The Patriots were one game away from having
the first or overall pick this year. Yeah, we know
in the past they have had the first overall pick
five times. Can you name the players selected with those picks?
Number one overall picks you were five times? Jim Plunkett
that's one seventy one, Bledsoe nineteen ninety three, Ken Simms, Yes,

(41:35):
serving serving Friar one more. This is back in your time,
Paul in the sixties.

Speaker 6 (41:42):
It's not time, bo Palini.

Speaker 7 (41:45):
No, first of all, Babe.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
I'll give you the year Fred not Evan.

Speaker 7 (41:51):
Keep up.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
I'll give you the year and the position. And to me,
I still wouldn't get it. Nineteen sixty four quarterback.

Speaker 6 (41:58):
It's not it's not, the guy said to Bopolini.

Speaker 7 (42:01):
No, uh, Mike Taliferro, Nope, Jack Kunk Cannon, Jack Cannon
from Boston College.

Speaker 6 (42:09):
Yeah, they're gonna take Camaron.

Speaker 7 (42:11):
Cam Ward live on sturdy in pocket, Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 6 (42:16):
I think he's a better athlete than Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 7 (42:19):
He is a better athlete.

Speaker 6 (42:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
So we're waiting for the Titans to officially make their pick.

Speaker 7 (42:24):
But I think Sanders is more like Baker Mayfield than.

Speaker 6 (42:28):
You can see that. I think when I saw you know,
I didn't watch a ton of cam Moore, but the
little bit that I did, I saw a little bit
of Russell Wilson in his game, Like they are just
spinning out of the pocket, you know, doing Russell stuff,
moving around, throwing the ball in the move, good arm strength,
good deep.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
So while we wait for this pick, let's hit the hotline.
Eight five five pats, five hundred. Luke's in Boston. What's up, Luke?

Speaker 7 (42:49):
What Hey?

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Turn it up, Matt Hey.

Speaker 9 (42:53):
We just want to call in and say, I think
there's a guy in the third round we should really
look at from Stanford.

Speaker 15 (42:59):
I mean, there's a long.

Speaker 9 (43:00):
Guy you can play on. You can blame the flax,
play on the outside. He's got great numbers, junior, senior year,
came back from an eighthl there, I think ale third round.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Of all the people, of all the people eligible in
the draft, why did you hit on this guy?

Speaker 16 (43:21):
Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 9 (43:22):
I'm from Stanford, California.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Okay, all right, I don't know who he is. You
know him?

Speaker 7 (43:27):
I believe it or not. I actually know who this
guy is. Oh yeah, I think he Stanford.

Speaker 6 (43:33):
I think he actually means he actually.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
He knows you know him personally, Luke.

Speaker 17 (43:38):
No, I don't know him.

Speaker 7 (43:39):
Okay, person you wouldn't mispronounced his name, right, that's no.
I think he's He's a guy that Evan's talked about
a lot as a potential sort of Okay, third fourth round. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (43:52):
Yeah, his tap against Travis Hunter was really good in
twenty three. That's kind of the tape that everybody holds
up with him. I compared him a little bit to
like Juju. You know, he's got like a powerful center
of gravity and good hands over the middle of the field.
He has some weird drops, but I think that he's
pretty consistent in traffic areas and things like that. Has
a little bit of juice on the outside if you

(44:13):
want him to stat, but he's not like a big
time burner. I like him at like first two levels,
you know, slants inbreakers, things like that. I think he's
got some skill there, but I would prefer somebody that's
a little bit more of a natural separator than him.
I'm worried he's gonna wear some coverage in the NFL,
but I can see where people are coming from.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
All right, thanks for the call, Luke. That's Luke's BTT
guy or PTT. Which do you want to go with?

Speaker 7 (44:37):
PTT?

Speaker 6 (44:38):
In the movie, we have a trade, We have a trade.
We got the trade. The Browns and Jack, the Browns
and Jaguars have officially made a trade.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (44:45):
Oh oh, and the Titans are about to take camp More.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Oh, okay, so we do have a trade, all right,
So we'll get to that. But here's the Titan selection.
Let's go to Roger Goodell.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
We're the first pick in the five NFL draft.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
The Tennessee Titan select Cameron Board quarterback timing. Okay, I
thought it was gonna be somebody else it wait's over
for cam Ward.

Speaker 6 (45:11):
So you want to hear the trade terms?

Speaker 7 (45:13):
Yeah, let's go, all right, they get a first round out.

Speaker 6 (45:15):
So the Browns are trading the number two overall pick,
a fourth round pick, and a sixth round pick to
the Jaguars for the fifth overall pick, a second round pick,
a fourth round pick, and a twenty twenty six first
round pick.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Wow, that's all.

Speaker 6 (45:29):
So basically the big picks here, number five, number thirty
six in the future, one going back to Cleveland for
the number two overall pick, and Jacksonville officially on the clock.

Speaker 7 (45:40):
Now, so does Jacksonville take Travis Hunter? I would think so,
you know, because you don't think they moved up to
try to make sure they secured Ashton Genty.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Dude, No, what about Carter? No, not worth it?

Speaker 7 (45:52):
Oh, he's worth it. But I would think that they're
looking offense just based.

Speaker 6 (45:55):
On everything that all the reporting is that they are
looking for touchdowns. That's the that's the verbal.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
So do you think, you know, the Jaguars have an
owner who I would call him involved. Do you think
that this is an owner saying I want the guy
who's going to sell tickets.

Speaker 5 (46:12):
It could kind of be. I mean that's what Travis
Hunter is. I mean, he's a draw. He's somebody who's
going to you know, pair him with Trevor Lawrence and
you know, now you've got a little bit more of
a spark there.

Speaker 7 (46:22):
Perhaps I like the trade for Cleveland, Yeah, I do.
That's you get an early second you said, and then
a future one. Yea, and you're just going down to
and you're just going down three spots, right.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
I think this is a hall.

Speaker 7 (46:37):
I mean the rest of that is coffee, you know,
smoke filled coffee, house craft. Those swapping of.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
The well, you're getting it to the top of it
at the top of the second round, and you're getting
your future one.

Speaker 7 (46:48):
Yeah, you are only going to You're still you're still
at five.

Speaker 6 (46:52):
But it's a two player draft, so you just trade
it out of Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter like, maybe
the Browns love genty and they're going to go down
to five and they're gonna expect the Patriots and the
Giants to do what they're going to do and then
take Gent at five.

Speaker 7 (47:05):
I wouldn't like this as much if they do that.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
That that for the Browns, they think this, that's this
is goal for them. This is they've they've hit it.

Speaker 6 (47:14):
I think that it's a two player draft and you
just trade it out of one of the two players.
It's a good haul, I suppose. I mean, it's a
decent haul, but I I if I was a Browns fan,
I'd be a little disappointed that they're going to pass
on the two you know, consensus blue chip guys.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
Well that's fair.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
I mean, I actually you're gonna have two first round picks, so.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
Yeah, I mean it's fair. This is I mean, this
is surprising to me. We all talked the last couple
of weeks. It seemed like, oh, it's chalk, we know
what's going to happen. And then here we get twenty
minutes before the draft starts and you start getting these rumors.
But you know, I just say this, we're gonna get
probably a lot of calls about how the Patriots could
have been first overall have they lost that last game,
And it just goes to show that some teams are
well still willing to make those hard decisions. It's like

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said they get out to two player draft and they
said people will pass on they had interest in one
of those two players. Yeah, so they would have been interesting.

Speaker 7 (48:03):
I think if they you know, this is something that
Evan was on Mike and you and I sort of
were met about it.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (48:09):
I think there was value in one, you know, the
one O two in the two player draft for sure, certainly.

Speaker 6 (48:15):
I mean, if they were at one overall at the
quarterback just went one overall, So you're looking at probably
an even better haul than what Cleveland just got for
the first overall pick. As a team that doesn't need
a quarterback, the Patriots probably could have made this trade
with Tennessee and and you know it only fell one spot,
two spots to probably get a future first round pick.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
All right, Uh, quickly, I do this with dread in
my heart. Christian in LA, what's going on? Quickly because
we don't know what's gonna happen here? Christian? All right, Okay,
I can't what's up? I couldn't hear. Yeah, let's go

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to uh clem in Arlington in Virginia. What's up, Clem?

Speaker 18 (49:03):
Hey?

Speaker 19 (49:03):
This is a Tim ten?

Speaker 2 (49:05):
All right?

Speaker 7 (49:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (49:07):
Hey, Fred Jan turn it.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Up, Matt.

Speaker 19 (49:12):
Yeah, I'll go really quick because I know you all
are looking at the pick. My biggest I think we're
gonna take Campbell at four, but my biggest dread is
that we come away with tech McMillan, that we're going
to trade back up. The reason is he's a slower receiver.
All of our receivers except Pop are on the slower end.
Even the Baker was like a mid four to five guy.
And I'm not saying you need to, you know, throw

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it down the field every place, but because literally all
our guys are slow, you know, the safeties don't.

Speaker 18 (49:39):
Have to worry.

Speaker 19 (49:40):
And I would really like if we get a receiver
for it not to be another guy who's his strength
does not a speed, which none of our receivers are.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Well.

Speaker 6 (49:48):
Your later well, yeah, I mean I don't think all right,
I'm talking about taking Ted.

Speaker 7 (49:53):
Fred being very dismissive of early for that. I lost
the other call too. I don't know where he went.
Fred Lake Yeah, sort's.

Speaker 5 (50:03):
Gonna be on it tonight. It's a draft.

Speaker 7 (50:04):
Maybe I want to come back with that.

Speaker 17 (50:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (50:06):
They just signed Stefan Digs He's pretty fast.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Yeah, pick us in for Jacksonville. We don't. We don't
know who it is yet. Are we tipping picks?

Speaker 6 (50:14):
I don't know. That's the question I was gonna ask you, do.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
We want to tip pick everyone but the Patriots. I
don't care.

Speaker 6 (50:22):
We don't care.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
I'm not gonna die.

Speaker 7 (50:26):
We're not tipping picks.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
So jackson They'll trade it up to get Travis Hunter,
and uh makes sense. This was the guy, probably the
best guy available in the draft overall.

Speaker 6 (50:37):
So the Patriots are on deck here.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
It's a lot of intrigue, and I mean, a new
coaching staff. Just interesting to see what they do with
Travis Hunter. We talked about if he was drafted to
the Patriots, we knew we'd probably be broken in as
a wide receiver and supplemented as a cornerback. But I
got to assume Jacksonville's bringing him there to catch touchdowns
and play on the offensive side of the ball. But
you know, it's a new coaching staff. How are they

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going to employ him? I mean Leam Collen, first time
head coach, right, I mean, it's a pretty big responsibility.
I mean that's something that you know, I thought about
the Patriots to take Travis Hunter. How these offensive coaches,
Josh muctaniels, there's a lot of pressure on them to
take this guy who you know clearly now Jacksonville has
given up a lot of capital to get this kid.
He's got to work like this coaching staff has to

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make sure that he does.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
He have to work at wide receiver.

Speaker 5 (51:24):
I mean, yes, I think, but the Patriots would have
to work about jackson I think.

Speaker 7 (51:29):
I mean, I don't know what they need.

Speaker 6 (51:31):
They need. They needed everything they need corner and receiver.
But from everything that's come out of Jacksonville and some
of the reporting out of their pre draft was that
they were looking for skilled players. And that's why Genty
came name came up. I had Ted McMillan going to
them because I didn't think that.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
By the way, Ted doesn't like to be called tet.
He's t mac. He's Ted, and I'm serious. He says
his mother would get insulted if you call him tet.

Speaker 10 (51:55):
Okay, t mac t mac is okay, She likes that, Yeah,
but not so.

Speaker 6 (52:01):
I would assume that this is to pair him with
Brian Thomas Jr. And to move forward with Trevor Lawrence
and let's.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Go to the podium.

Speaker 7 (52:13):
Let's go to the podium.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
No, okay, okay, so he's not talking, Okay, just cut
in and he just yeah, just cut me off when
when he starts talking about the pick.

Speaker 7 (52:27):
He's doing that period that Andy Hart would be disrespectful, right,
And then it's like an a wish, kids, we don't
want to do that. I didn't have to necessarily say exactly.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
While we're waiting sea bass and masses outright back at
coach Michael George Vrabel. Here, I am trying to enjoy
the evening with the family at our third home in
the Riviera, and my eyes are assaulted out here.

Speaker 7 (52:46):
We go, har arms.

Speaker 20 (52:57):
I want to say thank you to the commissioner, thank
you to the Peyton family in the NFL and nationwide,
and also too tonight. I want to encourage each player
embarking on the NFL journey to identify a passion close
to their heart and act upon it. Use your platform
to make your community, the league, in this world a

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better place as we remember Walter Payton tried to leave
a positive legacy of your own.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
We have a trade.

Speaker 21 (53:40):
The Cleveland Browns have traded the second pick to the
Jacksonville Jaguars, and with the second pick in the two
twenty twenty five NFL Draft, the Jacksonville Jaguars select Travis
Hunters Robers.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Okay, it took that Travis Hunter Jacksonville draft. Good for
Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 7 (54:06):
Joe Banner agrees with with us what he said. The
Jaguars have lost their minds and the Browns take advantage.
Really yeah, Joe Banner former, I don't.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Think Evin thinks they lost their mind Baguar.

Speaker 6 (54:18):
He think the Browns lost their minds.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Oh okay, yeah, he thinks the Browns traded out of
it two man draft.

Speaker 6 (54:24):
The Browns lost their minds.

Speaker 7 (54:25):
I don't think that. I don't.

Speaker 6 (54:26):
I would like players, not picks. I have no sense.
Send like, I don't know what that twenty twenty six
first is going to turn into. Like Jacksonville was just
in the playoffs two years.

Speaker 7 (54:35):
I don't know. But they still have the fifth pick.
They could still get.

Speaker 6 (54:38):
A player, but it's not going to be Travis Hunter.

Speaker 7 (54:40):
No, they I will guarantee you will not be Travis Hunter.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:43):
All offseason we've been talking about it's a two player draft.
They just traded out of the two players.

Speaker 7 (54:48):
I think they got a lot. I think they got
a lot for that pick.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
They did.

Speaker 5 (54:51):
For what it's worth. Andrew Brandt said Browns had to
do that an offer they couldn't refuse.

Speaker 7 (54:55):
Yeap, what Wade couldn't refuse.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Yeah. Look at Travis Hunter is just hopping to the podium.

Speaker 5 (55:02):
He knows he got drafted by the jackson Listen.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
It's it's good for him. Look at him dance. Wow,
good for him.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
He's a fun player. Look, we flirted with the idea
of him coming here during the spring when you didn't
really know what was gonna happen. And there's no question
he's gonna bring a jolt of life in many different
ways to that franchise. And then they should be really excited.
I mean, it's we'll see how it comes together. We
know it's hard to solve that problem in Jackson alone.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
So Jacksonville Jaguar was putting fannies in the seats with
the pick of Travis Hunter.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
I mean, do you think there's a chance, like just
to play negative Nelly because it's not our team now,
but like that they get caught trying to do too
much stuff with him and then he gets overwhelmed and
he doesn't really make an impact on either side of
There is a chance, you know, I worried about it.

Speaker 7 (55:47):
I don't want to come I don't think it's a
big chance. I don't want to come off as being
a fraud because I think Travis Hunter is an excellent,
excellent player. I just don't think I'm as high on
him as Evans. I don't think that he is as
good a wide receiver as Evan thinks he is. I
do think you could be as good a cornerback well,
but that doesn't seem like everybody wants to use him there.
I don't even the whole two way thing would kind

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of worry me.

Speaker 6 (56:08):
I'm not even so much as like saying that I
think that you know he's going to be a Hall
of famer. Lock it in. It's just like this draft class,
the talent drop off is significant, so you're trading out
of two of the guys that everybody agrees are blue
chip players in any draft.

Speaker 7 (56:24):
I think he has blue chip ability I'm not sure
he's going to be that though, because I think he's
going to try to do too much. I think he's
really really hell bent on playing both ways, and I
think that's going to be to his detriment.

Speaker 6 (56:34):
Yeah, we'll see. I think that he'll most likely major
in playing wide receiver, and eventually they will stack on
defense to appease him. But I don't think I think
it's going to be similar to, you know, a little
bit more volume, but like a similar idea as Marcus Jones,
where it's like, yeah, you might play you know, we'll
let you play a little bit on defense to make

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you feel good about your opposite.

Speaker 7 (56:56):
I would want to be like Marcus Jones play defense
and will let you dabble on offense. I don't think
it's going to be that way, and I don't think
he's going to be special offensively. I think he could
be special defense.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Well, do you think that the only way that you
do what Jacksonville did is is that your intention is
to play.

Speaker 7 (57:11):
Him at wide receiver.

Speaker 5 (57:13):
I would have a major in why I would think so,
but I would I would think at the same time,
I think he's a whole package too that that comes
with you know, everything that comes with what childa center is.
I just I think with Brian Thomas though there that
that helps it a little bit, just for me, how
to what.

Speaker 7 (57:28):
You said about ten minutes ago, Mike is the reason
I think they made this pick. And then it's not
good reasons. It's like, this is something you can sell,
you know, your fan base, it's a market that needs
that buzz. It might work. So the Patriots he's a special,
special player.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
So the Giants pick is it might work. The Giants
pick is in no trades, right.

Speaker 6 (57:50):
Yeah, they rushed this card up to doors. They rushed
this card up up to It's not it's not going
to be a quarterback.

Speaker 7 (57:59):
No, it's going to be car right.

Speaker 6 (58:00):
Yeah, I don't know are you tipping picks or not?
Because I don't know.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Go ahead, yeah, it'll be okay.

Speaker 6 (58:05):
So they're going to take Abdul Carter. So the Patriots
are on the clock and the exact kind of spot
that we all thought they would be in here.

Speaker 7 (58:11):
Yeah, we've already got the start of the tweets like
please don't tip picks, but oh did we Yeah, we
just got one.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
To finish up Sea Bass and mass He's very upset
with Mike Rabel being a court side at the Celtics
game wearing shoes without socks. He says, it's one thing
at the league meeting when you got Andy Reid and
his Hawaiian shirts soaking up the air in the room,
but court side of the garden during the playoffs garbage.
I say, get it out of here. I barely wanted
to see my mistress after the U and ended up

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just exchanging pictures of expensive things we own with Christian
in La. Who invented the silly style? And how did
they not think of the smell? Well, we'd have to
ask Matt no socks, I mean that's the style.

Speaker 7 (58:52):
That's that's that's.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
At the leather loafers with no sock.

Speaker 7 (58:56):
I would not say it's the style. I would say
it's it's a style.

Speaker 22 (59:00):
Cardo.

Speaker 5 (59:00):
We know there was foot socks though, right, maybe those
socks were a little low. You're still getting some socks, fairness.
I do wear those me too. Yeah, I don't know
what's in style, though I realize I'm old enough now that.

Speaker 7 (59:11):
You can't see them, right. No, you would never know
that you have.

Speaker 5 (59:14):
Long socks, short socks, baggy jeans, tight jeans. Like I've
been around long, everything comes around. I feel like you
just need one of each, and then you wait for
each trend to come, wait for them, and you just
run all back on my bag.

Speaker 7 (59:23):
You wait for the young people to tell you which
one of those things.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
They're all on.

Speaker 5 (59:26):
Baggy jeans now, baggy jeans are bag jeans. Baggye jeans
are huge.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Really, that's I mean, that's yeah, that's true.

Speaker 7 (59:32):
I have seen that. You know it's a bad look.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
I mean, you go out, you just see the young people.
They're all drastic, exactly like Carter.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Hey, all right, giant.

Speaker 7 (59:42):
So I have to be honest. Ever since that Abdul
Carter tweeted out the picture of himself and like the
l t get like, I didn't think there was any
chance at all. But that's that's the first step of
my well, probably number thirteen Mike's way with.

Speaker 5 (59:58):
Could I tee you up, though, Paul to talk unless
you your take about Abdul Carter with the giants and
you know they have to with defensive ends with burns
and thibodeaux and talk about your.

Speaker 7 (01:00:08):
Plants, something that they've done with a tremendous amount of success.
They go with the theory of you know, you can
never have too much pitching in baseball, you can never
have too many corners, and you can never have too
many pass rushers. They they did it with tremendous success,
and we have only ourselves to look at here in
the O seven Super Bowl. What was a big part
of their success that day is their dominance up front

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with Strahan and Umnyora and justin touch. You know, they
had I even want to go back to like Matthias
kewanve like they had a lot of depth at defensive end,
and it didn't stop them from continuing to draft high
on the edge. So I thought, this is something that
they've done in the past, and they would do it again.
I think, like like Evan said, with Hunter, I think

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Carter's worth it. Those are the two guys.

Speaker 6 (01:00:54):
I just wonder if Keevon Thibodeau is now a trade
piece for them, and he's now expendable and he has
an exact act lived up to the draft status of
being a top ten pick.

Speaker 7 (01:01:03):
He's been okay, nothing specially right, So there's.

Speaker 6 (01:01:05):
A chance that maybe they're not looking to pay him
long term, and whether it's this year or next year,
he is dealta to make room for Abdul Carter. But
Abdul Carter's fantastic player. He can play inside a little bit.
I don't think that's the best usage of him. But
if you wanted to try to get all three of
those guys on the field at once, Abdul Carter absolutely
can stand up over the garden center and rush from

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the interior like Michael Parsons does. You can do that
sort of thing with him on third down and it
can be a problem for guards and centers.

Speaker 5 (01:01:34):
Correct me if I'm wrong, now, isn't it. The defensive
coordator is still Rabels old defensive coordinator from Tennessee as
just the Giants defensive coordinator now. I believe if they
did not get rid of him last year, they were
the new guy he brought in. So just similar kind
of defenses we were talking about, similar kind of things
you're breaking bringing in. You know that kind of player
Abdul Carter would absolutely fit with what they were doing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
The Patriots pick is in, we will okay, So no
trade for the Patriots.

Speaker 10 (01:01:58):
So trade they did not plan a has not materialized
and your planning and we don't have the ammunition to
move back yet really without giving away assets that we need.

Speaker 7 (01:02:11):
So what we'll get, we'll wait till the pick and
then we'll get into the whole trade thing. Because we
had a good conversation today, Freddy, and I think you
came down and maybe to get in part of that.
And then you saw that we had a full house
when we did our show this afternoon. Didn't you stop it? No?

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
No, I had to do so.

Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
I was just making because I was.

Speaker 7 (01:02:28):
Actually hoping you were coming in. We had a good
conversation about the trade up from the top of the
second round back into the first What would you do
it for? Not necessarily individual, but position wise? Is there
more than one? You know what you're looking at. I
think we can get into that after we.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
See the trade up means you trade it down. You
didn't get Campbell, and then you have to trade up
to get a task.

Speaker 7 (01:02:53):
My guys, the trade up to me would be because
you didn't get a tackle and you need one, right
you can't wait.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Till But now in the first round, I got a
player and a tackle, so I'm really happy. But without
having to trade down and having those extra assets, now,
I'm not willing to give up what it's gonna take
to trade back into the first round.

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
Yeah, that's fair. I would just say I think there
are some edges that it really intrigued me that I
think would probably maybe intrigue them to trade up. And yeah,
we could wait and get one of the other edges,
but this guy's here. Now, let's go up and go
get them. But we'll see how it plays out. I
still think that that's something that that should be in
play for tonight. Seemed like last year they tried to

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do it. They made a pick early in the first
tried to get back up into the late first.

Speaker 7 (01:03:37):
So people are now tweeting it. So you know, what
are we doing?

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Go ahead, Will Campbell?

Speaker 7 (01:03:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so Freddy, Yeah, the Patriots select.

Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
They heard your table pounding in the Will Campbell, let's
do it.

Speaker 6 (01:04:03):
Okay, we're all getting We're all yeah, maybe you should
like stand in front of everybody because you're actually protecting
the franchise's.

Speaker 5 (01:04:16):
Look at this, look at this. Well uh it's you know,
I know, I know there's some questions, but let's just
say the positives with this kid tremendous locker room presence. Uh,
you know, like I said at the top, of the show.
Feel like he's the leader, kind of a tone setter
for the offensive line. Plays with that kind of snarly attitude.
It's been a left tackle since high school. This is

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all he knows. Came into l s us. You know,
it's played there three years. I think he's given up
two sacks over the last two years. So phenomenal athlete,
phenomenal off the field presence, Yes, his length will be
will be part of the question. But for a team
that has just struggled for left tackle for so long,
it feels good to feel like, all right, we got
a guid a pencil in there on that left tackle spot,
a legitimate left tackle with real athleticism that I think

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he can make some real contributions in the run game too,
getting him out in space, leading the way, leading the charge.
It's an exciting pick.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
The word over the last two years on how the
Patriots treated left tackle was neglect. That was the word.
I've heard a lot of people say they've neglected that position.
So you can't say that right now now. They used
the fourth overall pick on a left tackle, so they
are telling us, yes, we agree, it's a need and

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we got the best left tackle in this draft.

Speaker 6 (01:05:30):
Ye, it always came down to that for me, the
marriage between the gaping hole on the left side of
your offensive line and having a player like Will Campbell
who exemplifies everything that Mike Rabel wants to represent in
a football program from a toughness, in leadership and in
tangible standpoint, and also is a very good player at
the position as well. Like du said, there's going to

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be concerns. We're going to talk about arm length, We're
going to talk about you know, is he going to
last outside, and all those different types of things. But
over my entire career, this football team they have had
a need at left tackle for eight straight drafts. They
have had a need at left tackle. They have never
found a solution. They've gone year to year, They've kicked
the can down the road numerous times, and at some

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point the bucks got to stop, like you gotta find
an answer at one of the most important positions on
the football team. And I believe that they have. And
I'll just say one last thing. Two years in a
row of watching horrible offensive line play in this region,
just watching quarterbacks get really under pressure at an alarming rate,
you know, forty to fifty percent pressure rates weekend and

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week out. They had to protect the franchise, and Drake
May is the franchise, and now they have a guy
that can protect them.

Speaker 7 (01:06:41):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
So Will Campbell is a New England Patriot. I'm excited.
I'm kind of falling in love with this guy.

Speaker 6 (01:06:48):
I really am easy too.

Speaker 5 (01:06:49):
He's easy to fall in love. I mean, like I
said early in the process, the second I heard him talk,
I mean, he sounds like to me like Taylor Lawan,
who was you know, had a really close relationship with
Mike Frabel and Tennessee continues to have a close relationship
with him. He's just that kind of guy. He's that
offensive lineman and there was a deer hunter too. He's
got a little bit of that Mankins in him, and
I just I just love the energy he's gonna bring

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to that room. That room has been beaten up, and
honestly deservedly so with with how it went the last
couple of years. But the rejuvenation that I think he's
going to bring to that group and that toughness, and
I just think that alone will do a lot for
a room that really really needs that kind of presence.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
So at some point. Let's let's uh, well, first let's
go back up to the party and let's see what
the reaction is up at the Patriot No. Oh, I'm
getting ahead. Nod. No, we can't do that. Not happening.

Speaker 5 (01:07:36):
Okay, A little glimpse at the Patriots draft from.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Here, Yeah yeah, yeah. So we see Mike Rabel on
the phone. Behind him is John Stryker.

Speaker 10 (01:07:46):
Okay, and here comes Roger Goodell to the podium in
the process of being sneakers.

Speaker 23 (01:07:54):
We're the fourth pick in the twenty five NFL Draft,
the New England Patriot.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
It's like Will Campbell deck on us here.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
So the Patriots decide to go for protection.

Speaker 24 (01:08:08):
Were diamond in the rough quarterback rather than anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Your thoughts, Daniel Jeremiah of all the teams.

Speaker 25 (01:08:15):
In this draft, to me, the tackle need for the
Patriots clearing across all thirty two teams, they had to
go in this direction. They go with Will Campbell out
of LSU.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
It reminded me a lot of Michael rus.

Speaker 25 (01:08:27):
Going the way back machine as you remember him playing
for the Tennessee Tities.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
Very smooth.

Speaker 25 (01:08:31):
He's played a lot of football. He started as soon
as he got on campus. There at LSU. When guys
get into him, he does have a firm base. He
can recover as well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
The temperament to finish is outstanding.

Speaker 25 (01:08:43):
You see that here in the run game, as he's
able to displace defenders and create a lot of movement
they're at the point of attack.

Speaker 22 (01:08:50):
Much was made about the arm length.

Speaker 7 (01:08:52):
Does he need to.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Slide in and play guard. I think he can.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Hold up at tackle.

Speaker 18 (01:08:56):
But in an absolute.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Worst case scenario, you've got a Campbell's walking up to
the Young podium and it's just inside he just wants
to out.

Speaker 6 (01:09:06):
I mean he had Yeah. So there was some reporting
from Jeremy Fowler, like a couple hours ago, right before
the draft, that the Patriots, a contingent from the Patriots
went down to Baton Rouge, Louisiana and met one last
time with Will Campbell a couple of days.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Ago, spent some quality time with him.

Speaker 6 (01:09:23):
Typically, when that happens, it means that you're just kind
of dotting your eyes there, dotting your eyes and crossing
your t's on the pick. I remember hearing a story
similar about Christian Gonzalez about a week before the draft
that they went out to Oregon and did the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Well they did it with Nate Solder like a day before.

Speaker 6 (01:09:39):
Yeah, so this is uh, this has been expected, as
we all know, it's been expected for a while. But
again I I I know there's gonna be concerns, uh
with some of the arm length stuff that's come out,
But like Daniel Jeremiah just said, it was a great athlete,
a smooth pass protector, great technique. They'll be able to
figure it out.

Speaker 7 (01:09:58):
We did it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Yeah it wasn't quite you know.

Speaker 26 (01:10:01):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
All right, here's Theatress Draft party on NFL Network.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
Now, Fred, I'm so glad you noticed that moment and
like to me that these are the moments that are
some of my favorite times during the draft. We're just
noticing Will Campbell walking out and you could just see
it all sinking in, like and even just the look
wants to start.

Speaker 7 (01:10:18):
Like, man, it's like a.

Speaker 5 (01:10:19):
Kid living their dream right now. He's been waiting for
this moment, doing that long walk to the stage. Really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
And I think a guy like that to come on
a team coached by a guy like Mike Rabel, I
think I think they've from what we've heard, they've already
made a connection. And uh, it's it's probably his type
of coach.

Speaker 5 (01:10:38):
Well, I mean Evan, I mean we have when we
had Mike on a couple of times, Evan was bringing
up the chess pad and I mean, how much Brabel
likes to get in there engaged with these guys. I mean,
it's it's just it's too easy. And we're going to
see it, I'm sure as soon as next month with
him getting in with with Will Campbell and working on it.
He loves working with those guys. It seems like it's
a it's a really good match.

Speaker 6 (01:10:56):
I know everybody wants, you know about the football player,
you know, being but the toughness and the finish and
the effort that they talk about, this guy exemplifies all those.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
He's very right now he's on NFL Network and he's
he's very emotional. This means a lot to him, you
know what. I everything he does, I like him more
like I want somebody that it means a lot to them.

Speaker 5 (01:11:21):
Yeah sure, I mean, look at this kid.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Look at this kid. How do you not love him?
Come on, let's go.

Speaker 5 (01:11:28):
And I mean, and how do you not want that
kind of guy protecting Drake?

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
And he's kid that you know my job is to
protect that quarterback. I will do whatever it takes to
not get him on the ground. We got ourselves a
good player here.

Speaker 5 (01:11:42):
You can even see Jamie Erdahl's reaction like she was
kind of like a little emotional watching and I'd love
to know what she asked him or if it's just
all sunk in at that moment. I mean, we probably
were talking about the early moments when he's walking to
the stage of it all hitting him, all the questions
about his arms that he's to have to answer the
last three months. It's over. He's a patriot, He's going
to be on his way up here tomorrow, will be
on the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Stage with him.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Let's go to Alex right now, let's get some fan reaction.

Speaker 8 (01:12:11):
Go ahead, Alex, Hey, guys, how are you doing? I'm
here with that Andy Ray, Andrew Crook, Andrew how many
but heavies have you had?

Speaker 22 (01:12:21):
Does it matter?

Speaker 5 (01:12:24):
You seem don't matter?

Speaker 27 (01:12:26):
And let's will gamble. There's laying people on their back.

Speaker 22 (01:12:31):
Will all.

Speaker 27 (01:12:33):
I gearing about one thing and you know one left.
It is like do it to me by my friends
football goat, It's don't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Gay, You're how to pick them out.

Speaker 17 (01:12:48):
Will Okay, good job.

Speaker 22 (01:12:50):
Alex, I thought I thought I did a good job too.

Speaker 28 (01:12:54):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Who else do we have?

Speaker 22 (01:12:58):
Tell us your name Michael growth.

Speaker 7 (01:13:00):
This is Mike.

Speaker 5 (01:13:01):
Mike.

Speaker 22 (01:13:01):
How are you feeling coming into this pick?

Speaker 6 (01:13:03):
And how do you feel?

Speaker 7 (01:13:05):
I knew we're going to pick him.

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
Well, we'll see how he goes.

Speaker 22 (01:13:07):
I hope he does good.

Speaker 6 (01:13:09):
It's not the flashy pick, but it's it's in need, right.

Speaker 22 (01:13:12):
It's definitely need.

Speaker 7 (01:13:13):
But we'll see. You know's a nice pick. I hope
he pants out, all right?

Speaker 5 (01:13:19):
So I can't argue with the vibes are high.

Speaker 22 (01:13:21):
There are lots of cheers.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
What was that, Paul I.

Speaker 7 (01:13:24):
Said, you can't argue with that? Watch.

Speaker 5 (01:13:25):
I hope he pans high.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
With me?

Speaker 7 (01:13:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:13:33):
Where we mad?

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:13:34):
We mad?

Speaker 7 (01:13:35):
Jersey?

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Okay, all right, all right?

Speaker 8 (01:13:38):
So yeah, guys, the vibes are hot, the drinks are flowing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
I have one word, uber, You can't make me be
careful up there? Alex? Yes, are you driving home today?

Speaker 25 (01:13:49):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:13:49):
Alex?

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (01:13:57):
All right, Alex?

Speaker 5 (01:13:57):
So that guy swimming you.

Speaker 8 (01:13:58):
Don't want to snow where you.

Speaker 29 (01:14:01):
It's like I said, so I just tell all right,
So I just Alex, have fun I think I want
to use this time to openly apologize to my good
friend Evan Lazare for talking so positively about Cleveland's trade.

Speaker 7 (01:14:15):
They took Mason Graham, Oh wow, Like I just that
I don't understand. Wow, I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Okay, Well, listen, a lot of people really like Mason Graham,
and when I started my process, I really like Mason Graham.
I still like Mason Graham. I know he's a little undersized,
but I I you know, I'm I want Will Campbell
over Mason Graham. But I wouldn't mind Mason Graham on
the New England Patriots.

Speaker 6 (01:14:38):
If I was a Browns fan right now, I am glad,
I am not. I would be absolutely irate with the
decisions that they just made. Now, you can sell me
on twenty twenty six all you want. But they drafted
an undersized three technique at five overall over Travis Hunter
and Abdul Carter. Like they made the.

Speaker 5 (01:14:55):
Actual decision to do that tonight.

Speaker 6 (01:14:57):
Yeah, hey, like they decided that was the best move
for the franchise. Now they're gonna sell them on twenty
twenty six. They're gonna go after a quarterback in twenty
twenty six. They have two first round picks to make
it happen. But if you're just looking at what they
did tonight, you know, going down from two to five,
and then you don't you passed on Genty as well,
So you took Mason Graham here at five overall to

(01:15:19):
do what to stuff the run? Like, I just I
can't really figure.

Speaker 7 (01:15:23):
I've had a reasoning for being sort of enthused about
that trade for the Browns. They was, You're gonna like
you slide down a few spots and you lose out
maybe on like the diamond of Travis Hunter, but you
get like Ashton Genty or even Ty Warren right to
get an interior defensive line Like I don't. I'm not

(01:15:46):
sent telling you that Mason Graham's a bad player. I
don't think he is a bad player, But I just
you passed up special. I thought you were going to
try to get Special like I don't think Maybe I
think Ashton has a chance to be a blue chip
player draft Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Okay, if you're like, I can't argue with that.

Speaker 6 (01:16:05):
You know it's the Perton time to take Ashton Genty.
You got the package to trade down, and you just
take the blue chip player.

Speaker 7 (01:16:11):
You know that someone's probably gonna say, and you'd be
right if you did. Paul, you're being a hypocrite. You
hate running back, and you'd be right to say that.
I'm just I'm talking about just as your talent perspective here. Okay,
you passed up a special talent in Travis Hunter, but
you're gonna take a special talent in Ashton Genty, even
if it's a position that I don't think as as
as important. I don't think an interior defensive lineman is

(01:16:35):
a special talent unless it's Chris Jones or Aaron Donald.
And I'm sorry, I don't think Mason Graham is going
to be.

Speaker 10 (01:16:40):
That Ye interesting, Well, we don't have to turn this
into Cleveland Brown, can I?

Speaker 7 (01:16:47):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:16:47):
At six overall, just to say quickly that the Raiders
did take Ashon Genty.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
All right, let's go to Mike Rabel with the media.

Speaker 24 (01:16:56):
You know, this is uh, this is a young player
who cares deeply about the team.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
You know, is a leader in that room.

Speaker 24 (01:17:06):
And but to compare him to me or anybody else, no,
I mean, but we love his football character, his play demeanor,
his play style, how coachable he is and and you
know a twenty one year old, you know, player that's
started thirty eight or forty games in the SEC.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
Is is something that you know is impressive.

Speaker 11 (01:17:30):
Mike lennonhow that will cement himself as the pick for
you guys in this process?

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Well, I think probably okay, So we're gonna go out
of Rabel. We're gonna go to Cam Williams, uh, director
of college scouting for the Patriots. Uh, we'll have Mike
Rabel in its entirety. After we speak with Cam, Cam,
how you doing?

Speaker 22 (01:17:52):
How are we doing? Team?

Speaker 7 (01:17:53):
We gave ourselves a congratulations after we made a pick
because I know that's what you're supposed to do in
the war room. So we wanted to be away you.

Speaker 22 (01:18:02):
Guys, that's the way to do it. We're having fun
in there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
So as they say in in the betting world. Uh,
so far the draft has been shocked one through four.
We all thought you guys were gonna take Will Campbell.
You took Will Campbell. How excited are you? And have
you talked with Will yet? And how excited is he?
Or is it too soon?

Speaker 22 (01:18:23):
We're pumped. We are absolutely pumped. He's he's a stud.

Speaker 30 (01:18:27):
He we did a ton of work on him, starting
with Alex Brooks, our area scout in the Southwest. You know,
we followed him along the way and and he checked
so many boxes for us and it became a no
brainer and just just really excited. I talked to him,
I called him when you know, we were we made
the decision to pick him, and he was excited. And

(01:18:47):
you know, he was pretty stoic when I first got
on the line, but it looked like he got really
emotional in the interview once he hit the stage, so
it was pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
Yeah, that was That was my next question. I wonder
if you saw that, because I love that. That tells
me he he's as excited about being here as we
are about having him here. And that's what you want,
right you want players who who just want to who
love football.

Speaker 30 (01:19:10):
Yeah, we definitely felt you know, for me, I felt
a connection with him and it felt mutual that he
wanted to be here, and he was fired up to
play left tackle, and you know, he was excited to
help our team. So there was, you know, a definite
connection that he had here and he embraced that.

Speaker 6 (01:19:30):
Kim, you just mentioned it, play left tackle. I think
you know, that's that's been a big question about will
And I assume you guys have evaluated him the entire
time as a left tackle.

Speaker 30 (01:19:41):
Yeah, that's that's where he played, and you know that's
you know, that's that's where he's comfortable. So that's about
my pay grade where he's gonna play. But I thought
he was a really good left tackle when I scouted him,
and and I thought he could do that.

Speaker 6 (01:19:54):
Yeah, what made you think that he was a really
good left tackle? Just some of the specifics that you
saw on the tape.

Speaker 30 (01:20:00):
Yeah, he checks a lot of the boxes. Man, He's
he's big, he's athletic, he's really instinctive. He's just he's
so advanced for a player at that age. He's only
twenty one years. He's a true junior. But for a
guy at his with his youth, he's played a lot
of football in the SEC, with multiple, you know, over
thirty five starts in that SEC playing left tackle. So

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he's just a really consistent, dependable, high level pass protector
that gives you a ton of nastiness and physicality in
the run game and plays with the play demeanor that
that we would want.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
So he checked a.

Speaker 22 (01:20:34):
Lot of boxes.

Speaker 5 (01:20:35):
Could you talk a little more about that play demeanor. Cam,
it seems talking to some of your coaches here the
last couple of weeks we hear a lot about violence
and that's what they look for. It seems like Will
Campbell's got that for a tackle.

Speaker 30 (01:20:44):
Yeah, he oozes toughness like you see it on tape,
The way he finishes plays through the whistle, the violence
that he plays with his hands and and and he continues.

Speaker 22 (01:20:55):
I mean, he'll drive his legs through players.

Speaker 30 (01:20:58):
He's a he's a clean player, but he's he's a nasty, physical,
offensivelignment and that's you know, he's wired the way you
want them to be wired.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
All right, Cam, I know you've got work to do.
The night's not over yet, so we're gonna let you
get back to the war room. But congratulations on the pick.

Speaker 22 (01:21:14):
I appreciate it, looking forward to it, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Thanks for joining. It's Cam Williams. It's Cam uh director
of college scouting for the New England Patriots. Thank you
for joining us. And you know, once we have it
queued up and Rabel's done, well, we'll get him. So Matt,
you know, no no rush, Just let me know when
you're ready.

Speaker 7 (01:21:31):
To go.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
So we also want to get Rabel's take on the pick.

Speaker 5 (01:21:35):
Guys, you a quick aside. I'm still can't get over
that guy that probably spent an hour to two hours
painting his whole head. Knew it was gonna be Will Campbell,
and he's like, yeah, we'll see, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
We'll see.

Speaker 7 (01:21:45):
Maybe he'll pan out. Yeah, maybe it'll pan out.

Speaker 6 (01:21:47):
Sorry, I just.

Speaker 5 (01:21:47):
Couldn't get that on my head.

Speaker 6 (01:21:48):
That's what's sticking out to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
You, all painted up for us, like you just hope that.

Speaker 5 (01:21:52):
We can't get too excited, you know, we just got
to see how pans out. I'm gonna get taken out.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
While we were doing all this stuff, the Raiders did
pick Ash.

Speaker 6 (01:22:00):
Yes, the Jets are on the clock now at seven.
Mason Graham ashing genty were the next two picks. I
think what Cam said there, you know, well, people layed
left tackle like that's where we evaluated him. That seems
to be the overwhelming consensus about Will Campbell. I don't
think there was a ton of talk amongst teams about
ever moving him inside until he fails frankly on the

(01:22:21):
outside right, And I don't think there was ever any
real conversations about the arm Land and all that kind
of stuff that we all got into on this side
of things about him ever playing another position besides left tackle.
So I his reaction to that was like, well, yeah,
I meanwhere else is he gonna put Because.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
I've read everything you guys have read about the number
of people out you know, below thirty three inches who
have made it, you know, have done well. And there's
a hand there's like three or four in the last
twenty five years or whatever. But how many guys would
sub thirty three inch arms were considered first round talents?
I mean, in that way, Campbell is an outlier from

(01:23:00):
get from the get go right.

Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
Well, I mean he's also an outliar because of his athleticism.
I mean, his athleticism score puts him in a you
know above I mean I think what it was like
fifteenth since nineteen eighty eight in terms of, you know,
raw athletic score. What does it mean? I don't know.
But if you're gonna have to bet on somebody that
maybe has a measurable that's a little bit below the bar,
he has the athletic talent that's worth betting on. And

(01:23:21):
I think that's the thing that got lost a little
bit over the course of all the draft discussion, is
it's just all anyone talked about was his arms and
his wingspan and well how long, like you're losing track
of the fact that this guy's a really good player.
He's got excellent, excellent feet to move with guys and that,
you know, and that's the biggest thing at left tackle.
I mean, you know, you look at like Vederian Low.
I know he's a little bit of a punchline, but
you know, still it's just he's not this massive guy.

(01:23:44):
They're looking for athleticism, and that's the thing that I think,
you know that Will Campbell really has and that's going
to help him and that'll be what he's able to
succeed with, is he's moving his feet and be by
the steam.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
I go back to what I've always been saying. From
the moment this process started, he was the number one
rated tackle and despite all the talk, he hasn't veered
from that.

Speaker 5 (01:24:02):
I mean, I saw Paul Grimace a little bit, which
he likes because I started.

Speaker 7 (01:24:08):
I think Will Campbell became the number one tackle again
at the combine, kind of like cam Ward. I think
Kelvin Banks during the season was considered that, and those
two guys were neck and neck in the SEC. They
shared a lot of awards. But I just would say
that the whole like athleticism thing to me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
But that's how you make up for the you know,
eighth of an inch shorter arm.

Speaker 7 (01:24:33):
I guess I don't know that that's true, but I
am concerned. I love this pick because of the obvious reasons.
Like I just I wrote about it. Evan said it
about twenty minutes ago, like the need is gaping. What
did you said, like eight years of draft we've been
looking for this and you made a comment that we've
been using the word neglect. Yep. This tells you that

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they know that they've neglected it and they did something
about it. I love this pick because of how much
of a need it is. But there's a risk that
he's not a left tackle and I and I'm not
like ignoring that. I'm I am. I am very much
into the history.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (01:25:12):
And thirty three inches or smaller. You can count on
one hand the amount of guys even been able to start,
let alone succeed. There's been nobody who's been the bble.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
But this guy has this guy, would you know.

Speaker 7 (01:25:25):
Whether you best the best tackle in a bad draft, this.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Guy, whether you want to believe the pro the Pro
Day measurement or the combine.

Speaker 7 (01:25:32):
Contents thirty three, thirty three or smaller, no one's done it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
Thirty three, no one, no one, but no one at
thirty three has been a first round talent.

Speaker 7 (01:25:41):
That's what I'm saying is but I would argue that
this is another year he may not have been. Well,
he wouldn't have been Joe Walt or all over channel
last year.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
But despite all that, he was the best tackle in
this draft, despite the thirty three inch arms, And that
tells me that he's figured out a way over the
course of his career to overcome that.

Speaker 7 (01:26:00):
And I think that again, Isaiah Winn did that too
when he was a first round pick, but he couldn't
play tackle in the NFL.

Speaker 6 (01:26:08):
Well, the Jecks just took membo. I think the biggest
thing that I would just say about the thresholds and
all that is that there's such a knee jerk if
he's under the threshold to immediately move the player inside.

Speaker 7 (01:26:19):
And that's why I say, like I don't care about
the draft, and like the first round pick, I care
about what they do when they play right.

Speaker 6 (01:26:24):
But I think the biggest thing to the point I'm
trying to make is that who has even been given
the chance to play tackle at thirty three year euld
here because there's always this instant reaction of this player
needs to move inside because of the length. So the
sample size is so small. Now, Peter Skoronsky played at
an All American level at Northwestern, the second of the
Titans drafted him. He was playing left guard.

Speaker 7 (01:26:46):
Because he got dominated in camp. No, he never played
the same tackle. He never put the guy in Washington
that he never played who got dominated Brandon Sheriff, who
got dominated by Ryan Kerrigan in practice. They let him
do in practice and they can't.

Speaker 6 (01:27:01):
Okay, well, I haven't seen any reporting about the Titans.

Speaker 7 (01:27:04):
Well, I mean I've heard. So let's forget about Scarnsky.
Let's go to brand. Why is that most.

Speaker 6 (01:27:10):
Because he was drafted by Rabel two years ago.

Speaker 7 (01:27:12):
And he said that he couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Yeah, exactly, but because now a contradiction. This is a
different player.

Speaker 6 (01:27:19):
And he's also got longer arms.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
But that's besides.

Speaker 7 (01:27:21):
So if he's playing guard in training camp, what do
we say? What are we going to say?

Speaker 6 (01:27:24):
I say, then I say, but this isn't the point
that I'm making.

Speaker 7 (01:27:28):
I am going to say that I said, okay, yeah,
the point that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
I don't believe that's going to be the case. But
if that happens, and I'll be I'll be really disappointed.

Speaker 7 (01:27:37):
I just think that I don't I don't know how
to put it, like because I really and people are
going to make fun of me. I know it. I
know how these things work. I sort of see the
criticism coming before it comes. This is the pick I
would have made. I think this is a roll of

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the dice worth taking. That he can play left.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Well, every one of these guys after the.

Speaker 7 (01:28:01):
First people are whispering past the graveyard that it's going
to be an easy thing because he's athletic, and I
don't think these most tackle.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
It's never easy for any of these guys coming into
the NFL. But I don't think it's all like you
mentioned Isaiah Win, Isaiah Win went back and forth in
college garden tackle. This guy has done nothing but played
left tackle his entire football career.

Speaker 7 (01:28:23):
So what does that mean?

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
That was.

Speaker 7 (01:28:28):
Now unless he was pretty good, not as good as
Georgia well they're good, you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Know, so like there was never any no one ever
doubt he never showed any reason to play him in
any other position but left tackle in his college career
or you know, or below. So like I think it's
different than Isaiah Win. Isaiah Win didn't always just play tackle.

Speaker 6 (01:28:49):
Well, Isaiahen was tiny six was an undersized player by all,
you know, in all walks like size, weight, all you know, heightweight,
all of it. I think, you know, the thing about
you know, what Paul is saying is fair. But the
point I am trying to make with the threshold is
that everybody kicks all these guys inside instantly, and then

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we look around and say, why are there no good
tackles in the NFL? Well, maybe if you had given
the college tackle a chance to actually succeed at tackle
before you kicked him inside and not half the teams
in the league would be searching for left tackles every
single year because there's a dearth of tackles. Well, there's
a dearth of tackles because every single Peter Scaranski gets

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automatically moved inside. And with Campbell, I think they're gonna
give him a chance to succeed at tackle. Now. I
put the onus now on him succeeding at tackle, especially
early on in his NFL career. On the coaching staff
Josh McDaniels and and Doug Moron, like, they are going
to have to recognize that this player is going to

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have some deficiencies out of the gate with his arm
length and pass protection. So if it's chip health, if
it's sliding, the detection towards him so that the guard
is there for him to protect against the inside move.
That's his biggest issue. He oversets to the outside because
he doesn't have the length to get out to the
speed and then those guys inside counter him.

Speaker 7 (01:30:12):
Right, Guy's not getting a chance. Yeah, I do. I
like that argument because you're probably right. There's probably a
lot of guys that maybe could have done it, but
they just said nope, can't.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Do it with some patients and coaching, right, So you know, I.

Speaker 7 (01:30:26):
Think that's the strongest argument yet efinitely.

Speaker 6 (01:30:28):
So the Colts have done this. Bernard Raymond and Brandon
Smith both their tackles have under thirty three in charms.
They're both starting caliber tackles in the league. Bernard Raymond's
like a top ten, top fifteen tackle in the NFL.
I think if you're looking for a good comp for
Campbell succeeding at a high level at left tackle, it's
probably Raymond. He's probably the best example of this. And

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the Colts said, be damned about the arm length. These
two guys have done it. They can play the positions
right and left tackle, and they've succeeded. They've done just fine.
Mashaan Slater thirty three on the money. He's been awesome.
You know, everybody says nobody under thirty three because it's
very convenient. You just cut out Rashond later period, well,
Rashond Slater and under, so you know he's he's a

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thirty three on the money tackle arm length, and he
has been a high level player for the Chargers into
the day that they drafted him.

Speaker 7 (01:31:19):
I think, let's let's let's let's hope that this guy
is is an outlier. That's what you have to hope,
because I don't like the whole notion of well, you know,
the worst case, like Daniel Jeremiah started to say as
we potted down, the worst case is a guard and
that's that's not good. No, I don't want Quentin Nelson,
who is a top five guard. He's great, great player.
I don't want him.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
And I did say that about when I said his
floor is a pro Bowl guard. I said that on
the day that they drafted him, because it was not
a good guard. There was a lot of questions about him,
you know, more so about playing tackle than I think
Will Campbell.

Speaker 7 (01:31:56):
So you guys, you guys have made me feel better.
Membo went to the don't want it to and the Panthers.

Speaker 6 (01:32:03):
There there's no concern because I've talked about the concern.

Speaker 7 (01:32:07):
Yeah, you didn't completely eliminate because you know me, I'm
from New England, I have I have.

Speaker 6 (01:32:12):
Small but there's there's ways to help him, like, okay,
you know you know it's third down. Uh, we're gonna
have Hunter Henry or Austin Hooper give the end a
little bit of a forearm shiver on his way out
into the pattern, so you don't have to overset because
you're gonna get out because we're going to have the
guy chipping. We're gonna have the guard slide in that
direction to help from the inside counter Like those types

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of things that the coaching staff that they used to
do around here that they haven't been doing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
Around and reason don't have to do that all the time.

Speaker 6 (01:32:41):
I think as the rookie, they're going to have to
do that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
But I hope that until he figures he can play
on that island.

Speaker 6 (01:32:47):
Until he figures out how to play on that island
at this level with deficiencies that he has, they're going
to have to do stuff like that.

Speaker 7 (01:32:53):
That's why I don't think they're done with the offensive
line as well, because if you're going to ask the
guards to do some different things for you, you might
need an upgrade. I mean, they have Leyden Robinson City,
so Cole Strange. Maybe a three man fight for that
left guard.

Speaker 6 (01:33:08):
Spot, would you say, yeah, agree, right?

Speaker 7 (01:33:10):
But I mean I'd like to add something to that
because I don't love Garrett Bradbury at center either. So
those two spots to me, I think you have three
spots filled now. The offensive line is imminently better than
it was on paper. Yes year, oh yeah, on paper,
it's imminently better. And that's that had to be priority one.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
Don't make plans for January, Paul, don't make plans for
jan February. No January. I'm not saying February yet. I'm
just saying January.

Speaker 7 (01:33:35):
Oh, are you you're actually saying the opposite of what
I think I thought you were saying.

Speaker 5 (01:33:38):
Okay, it's echo what you're saying. Though, when Evan was
talking like that, that's where the spotlight goes. Now there
were the spotlight what for me on the whole at
left tackle and now it goes to left guard and
a little bit of Man.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
Don't you think what we have we can find one right?

Speaker 5 (01:33:54):
But but you know, but it's I don't want to
do a little more important now though, you know, to
help Will Campbell and try to get somebody that you know,
in a perfect world, Leaden Robinson is that guy, and
they're they're together for at least the next few years
when they're under rookie deals together. But at the same time,
you'd love to have a veteran left guard in there
that you're like, all right, this guy's going to take
care of him. He's going to make sure he's okay.
So you know that's how it works for it. Just

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go whack them and we're like, all right, right, left
guard's good. Now, we're left tackles good.

Speaker 7 (01:34:18):
Now we're okay.

Speaker 5 (01:34:19):
But I and one more thing I'll say Paul Is.
I'm not whistling past the graveyard of anything of this.

Speaker 7 (01:34:23):
But I don't think I don't think we no question
about it. I think the collective we in New England
is my.

Speaker 5 (01:34:28):
Biggest point is there are traits at least to bet on,
you know, whereas Isaiah Win and you know he's small
all around, like you know it's Will Campbell, he's tall,
he's big.

Speaker 7 (01:34:36):
In My bottom line is I really like this pick.
And I think you know, sometimes you just have to
take your medicine. You've you've screwed something up and you
need to do something to address it, right, right, That's
a great.

Speaker 5 (01:34:46):
Way to put it. Yeah, And that's why it's it's
it's we talk about. Evans calls it in your vegetables.
I used to call it putting wheels on your car,
tires on your car. These are the kind of things
for you.

Speaker 7 (01:34:55):
Just because I have some concerns doesn't mean I don't
think it was the right call. This is the right
call in my I mean my humble opinion.

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people asked.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Him add and will.

Speaker 24 (01:35:41):
To our football team is that it's about a foundational piece,
a young twenty one year old that's mature beyond his years.
He's a leader, he's durable, he's physical, dependable, you know, accountable, study.
We spent a lot of time with him, and whatever

(01:36:03):
mistakes that showed up, which they all do, he's he
recovers quickly and and can fix those mistakes. And you know,
we we we spent a lot of time and we
looked at a lot of other players and worked a
lot of other players out, and you know, he made
he made a huge impact on us and and we'king
you know, We're excited about adding him and look forward

(01:36:23):
to seeing him and his family here tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
So with that what he got, Karen.

Speaker 22 (01:36:29):
Was it a situation where.

Speaker 26 (01:36:34):
The need on one hand and the best player available
to line it?

Speaker 24 (01:36:38):
Yeah, I mean I think that that's certainly, you know,
the easiest way to look at it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
That that that's.

Speaker 24 (01:36:47):
That's how the board fell, and that's kind of how
we anticipated it going for for quite a while, and
that's kind of where we targeted. We had some conversations
to make sure that we were prepared those those situations
that we talked about a few weeks ago prior prior
to the draft that we went through.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
On on Monday.

Speaker 24 (01:37:06):
And you know, this is this was a very very
easy pick for us.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
What does uh?

Speaker 31 (01:37:13):
Will he who spoken up?

Speaker 22 (01:37:14):
He reminds you of like a younger Mike Rable.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
A tough.

Speaker 24 (01:37:19):
We're we stay out of the comparisons in that business.
You know, this is Uh, this is a young player
who cares deeply about the team.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
You know, is a leader in that room.

Speaker 24 (01:37:33):
And but to compare him to me or anybody else, no,
I mean, but we love his football character, uh, his
play demeanor, his his play style, how coachable he is
and and you know, a twenty one year old, you know,
player that started thirty eight or forty games in the
SEC is is something that uh, you know is impressive.

Speaker 11 (01:37:57):
Mike Lennonhow that will cement himself as the pick for
you guys in this process?

Speaker 24 (01:38:04):
Well, I mean I think probably last week when Elliott
and I and Ryan uh and a few others went
down and spent time with him and and worked him out,
you know, and then went and worked out a few
more players the same day, and we you know, we
made a circuit and I think when we came back
and we slept on it and then had you know,
the conversations about where it would be if he was

(01:38:26):
on the board, and.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
You know, I think probably then.

Speaker 32 (01:38:31):
Like a left tackle.

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
Yeah, I mean that's where he.

Speaker 24 (01:38:34):
Started, and he's a left tackle, and you know, that's
that's what he's played, that's what he's you know done,
and so he'll come in here and he'll compete, uh
to be the left tackle, just like everybody else is.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
Going to compete for their spots.

Speaker 24 (01:38:47):
That's that's what we're trying to create here, is something
that there there's competition at every position, and that that
our players believe that the best players are going to play.

Speaker 22 (01:38:57):
You said throughout this process that Arl.

Speaker 11 (01:39:00):
Wasn't the thing super problem for you guys in terms
of overall evaluation.

Speaker 22 (01:39:05):
When when when you met with the will.

Speaker 11 (01:39:08):
How come fitment at the course, you're kind of getting
to know him, kind of understanding who he is this player.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
You know there.

Speaker 24 (01:39:16):
Everybody has a play style, everybody has a skill set,
and it's what you do within that skill set and
the tricks that you learn in his business and how
you play and how you do your job right, and
so I think he's learned a lot of those. And
it's a player on that on the left side and
to pass protect and you know, for for a taller player,

(01:39:39):
he sinks his hips in a run game and is
able to stay attached in the in the past game
and and and widen the pocket and and create the
width of the pocket and get out on the perimeter.
So you know, it's a it's a total package, right.
And if you drop back and you throw the ball
forty times in this league, it's going to be it's
tough sledding for anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
Right That's let me just tell you that.

Speaker 24 (01:40:02):
Like that's if you if it turns into a drop
back passing game in the National Football League.

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
You know, it's going to be an issue for for anybody.

Speaker 24 (01:40:09):
And when when you talk about play style, it's you know,
how is he going to be able to you know,
create that and and and be able to you know,
for offensive linemen, it's so much about a reaction of
resetting your hand, chopping the arm down, all these tricks
of the trade that they use, and they have to
be able to to make great decisions and split second decisions.

(01:40:30):
So you know, his body of worker is out there
on the left side against a lot of really good rushers.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
They're all going to get beat.

Speaker 24 (01:40:38):
Okay, so we can watch every time that a left
tackle gets beat. They all get beat. I've been in
this league for twenty five years and but but I'm
just I'm confident in how quickly he is able to
process and change and have a lot of different pitches
at such a young age.

Speaker 33 (01:40:55):
Right, I'm curious, you run and Morgan, how important is
it much a better a kind leader in the room
at tackle and a younger John and will.

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
Pay the more leadership that we can have, the better.

Speaker 24 (01:41:08):
And I've appreciated Morgan since the time that that I've
known him personally. There's a lot of people around here
in our building that had a high affinity for him,
you know, going through the free agency process, and you know,
it became evident to me quickly that this was the
type of person and player that we wanted on our
football team. And and these going to help not only Will,

(01:41:33):
but everybody else in that room and anybody else that
will add through the course of three days. So he
I love everything that Morgan is about as a person,
you know, as a father, and he communicates with me.
You know, he's raising three boys, three young boys, and
that's that's probably his most important job right now, and
I would agree with that.

Speaker 18 (01:41:53):
Do you talk to him a little during that process
of about the tackle and his sports, that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
Type of the household or anything, got.

Speaker 24 (01:42:04):
No, I mean I have a pretty good idea. I
think Elliott has a pretty good idea. I think Ryan
and everybody else in our personnel department has a pretty
good idea on what to look for when you're talking
about offensive linemen. And but we value you know, again,
we value all our players' opinions on things, and you
know they all have them.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
Some are better than others.

Speaker 22 (01:42:26):
There's there's been a lot of discussion about movement in
the first round. Obviously the crowd streight to find a
deal it too.

Speaker 4 (01:42:32):
Did you guys receive any offers at the point?

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
No, you know, we we you know, I think at
this point in time it was pretty quiet.

Speaker 14 (01:42:39):
You know.

Speaker 24 (01:42:40):
I think we would have entertained anything that anybody offered us.
But but it was pretty quiet. I mean, I think
everybody was going up for for two players and one
was already there and they didn't have to move, and
the other team that wanted to get to to two
got there. So we would have been open but excited
to be able to get you know, stay there and

(01:43:00):
and get and get will like.

Speaker 5 (01:43:02):
With the chips, you have the expert third round kick
that you had to state, And I said, we'll just
try to get back in here.

Speaker 24 (01:43:09):
I think the right players are there, you know, I mean,
give us something to do tonight, so we're not just
sitting there watching and uh but but just not to
to go up for just to for just to go up.

Speaker 1 (01:43:19):
So if somebody is.

Speaker 24 (01:43:20):
There that that we have rated at at a great
spot at a great value, and I think then we
could go back up. But we'll see as the draft
goes on and who comes off the board and whether
we just sit there and wait till tomorrow, like if.

Speaker 22 (01:43:36):
If Will eventually has to move inside. Is this a
misevaluation this high in the draft and fourth overall?

Speaker 24 (01:43:46):
You know, I think that what we're focused on is
where he's going to be tomorrow and the next day,
and not what the misevaluation is.

Speaker 1 (01:43:53):
Like we we coveted this player. This was a very
good football player, and so.

Speaker 24 (01:44:00):
I think part of the draft is adding great pieces
and great players to your roster, which is what we did.
So he hasn't even shown up here in Foxboro, and
we're not going to talk about where he's gonna play
or what he's gonna do. I'm going to let everything
really speak for itself and let his play and what

(01:44:20):
he does in the community and most importantly on the
field before we start talking about that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
You know, I mean, I just think that that's you know,
that's not fair. I've never thought about that one time.

Speaker 24 (01:44:32):
You know, We've watched every game that he's played, put
a lot of work into this, and we're all excited
and happy that he's here.

Speaker 5 (01:44:39):
In terms of his.

Speaker 22 (01:44:40):
Character, he pick the Bowl over what you're looking to
him as.

Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
A play style, there's a play demeanor. And I'll just
tell you this.

Speaker 24 (01:44:46):
When we went down there to work him out, Uh,
he showed up with one purpose, and that was for
us to pick him. From the time that we walked
in the building to the time that we left and
got on the plane. Uh, he he had one objective
and that was to to prove to us that he
was the right player for us. I'll say that, and
I can speak for everybody else that was there.

Speaker 22 (01:45:07):
What is the I don't want to say what is
the timeline for him?

Speaker 20 (01:45:11):
But with a young player at a premium position like that,
how important is it to take your time in terms
of his development to get him ready to eventually play
left time?

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
Cool the time. I mean, it's just block your guy.

Speaker 24 (01:45:21):
I mean when you talk about coming from the they
threw the ball a time, like let's let's not kid ourselves.
Like he had more drop back snaps than pretty much
anybody else in college football. Like they threw the ball
fifty times. It wasn't RPOs like everybody else. So he's
past protected, he's run blocked. He's coming out of a
pro system. The terminology He's already been through it, I

(01:45:44):
don't know how many times with our guys and with me,
and I think.

Speaker 1 (01:45:47):
It's going to be a quick learning curve as far
as the scheme.

Speaker 24 (01:45:52):
And then again there's gonna be a learning curve and
adjustment to everything that he does. But he's coming from
a great program, am one that's you know, built similar
to to to pro football. You know, football is is
very important to him. And but but we'll also, just
like every other player, will give them exactly what they

(01:46:13):
can handle.

Speaker 15 (01:46:14):
Is a report that you involved in the worked out last.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
Week you throw a blocking pad on.

Speaker 7 (01:46:20):
Why is that important for you to be vault in that?

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
Well?

Speaker 24 (01:46:23):
Who made that report? And then I'll answer the question. Okay,
well you know Pete's mister college football.

Speaker 13 (01:46:30):
Yeah he he.

Speaker 1 (01:46:31):
They all knocked me around pretty good. I realized I'm.

Speaker 24 (01:46:34):
Close to fifty and if that tape ever gets out,
there's gonna be people are gonna have some problems.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
So I uh, I hope that tape never sees the
light of day.

Speaker 24 (01:46:45):
But I think it was important for me to get
out there and feel them and feel every every player
that we evaluated at the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 22 (01:46:53):
What if anything has surprised you about just talk.

Speaker 1 (01:46:57):
Oh no, I mean it's not like I just showed
up up here in January for the first time, you know.

Speaker 24 (01:47:01):
I mean I've been in the league a long time, so, uh,
nothing surprises me in this league anymore. There's just you know,
distractions that are going to happen throughout our team with
our season.

Speaker 1 (01:47:13):
They're unavoidable.

Speaker 24 (01:47:14):
So I hope no one ever says, hey, we want
to eliminate distractions, because I would say that that's impossible.

Speaker 1 (01:47:21):
We just want to handle them the best that we
can and be ready for him and be prepared for him.

Speaker 6 (01:47:25):
How important is it to have the kind of vinegar
and brings the.

Speaker 22 (01:47:30):
Table for an office one.

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
Like that's you know, one of the only ways that
you can survive.

Speaker 24 (01:47:38):
It's as as a player in this league at the
line of scrimmage, the play, demeanor, the finish, the effort.

Speaker 1 (01:47:45):
I mean, it's the guys on the other side are talented, dude.
I mean, it's just it's how it goes. You know.
We think we can all see that.

Speaker 24 (01:47:52):
And so there's a lot to you know, playing this
game other than just you know, looking good and having
great technique, you know, and so we we we valued
that and we're going to continue to value that. The
ability to to finish and to grind through when it
gets tough is something that we're we're.

Speaker 1 (01:48:13):
Going to be excited about.

Speaker 24 (01:48:15):
And uh, we're going to give him every opportunity to
develop and you know, push, push him as fast as
he'll let us go.

Speaker 14 (01:48:23):
Thank you, have a good night.

Speaker 22 (01:48:25):
Thanks enjoying the free food we got food for him.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
All right, that's Mike Brabell talking to the media. Yeah,
I mean pretty interesting. I think the media they pretty
much asked all the questions that I think should have
been asked, right, yeahs of just people asking about trades.
He said, you know, it was it was pretty quiet.
We were willing to listen, but it was pretty quiet.

Speaker 6 (01:48:50):
Yeah. I thought the one thing he did mention, just
from you know, a technical standpoint, the fact that Will
Campbell didn't play in one of these gimmicky r p
O you know, college style offenses, something that I've written
about and talked about. So, you know, PFF tracks what
they call true pass sets, which takes RPOs, screens, all
that kind of stuff out and really looks at the

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plays where the quarterbacks actually holding the ball. For more
than two and a half seconds and you have to
pass protect. And Campbell had the most pass sets out
of the top six tackles in the class that they
deemed true pass sets, two hundred and twenty nine of them.
On those two hundred and twenty nine, he allowed twelve
pressures the entire season against SEC competition. So that's a
big difference between some of these other guys that were

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in those gimmicky type of offenses that the ball was
coming out so quickly that you see some really fluffed
up pressure numbers from different players because their quarterbacks are
just not back there for very long. Campbell that was
not the case, especially last year with ness Meyer replacing
Jaden Daniels. So it's a good point there with you know,
Campbell that separates some of his pass blocking tape. You

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can really see translatable NFL caliber pass sets against NFL
caliber competition.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
And you has that story's been posted, Yes, so you
posted your excell and O's take on the pick with
some film. So if anyone wants to get more of
what Evan's talking about, just go to Patriots dot com
right now and you can see some tape. You can
see Evans analysis and backing up what he just said.

Speaker 5 (01:50:16):
Yeah, good stuff from Faebele. I mean I like the
defense of him and clearly will Campbell want them over.
With everything we've been talking about, not just the experience
on the field, but also the demeanor off field, it
just always seemed like a match to Mike Vrabel from
me and that press conference is.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
Can we got our guy? Let's see. One of our
emailers says, those two fans that Alex chose perfectly showcase
the two types of Patriots fans. One the absurdly optimistic
belligerent who thinks every move is a slam dunk, and
two that we'll see pessimists who views everything we do
as a mistake. It couldn't have been more perfect well done.

Speaker 3 (01:50:52):
Only in New England is another AFC championship considered a loss.

Speaker 5 (01:50:57):
Guy who spent three hours painting his head, but still
he's not sure about it though, We'll see.

Speaker 7 (01:51:01):
Yeah, that was the part that was a little bit
sort of like I know for Alex, you know, yeah, yeah,
Well I liked listening to Mike talk about you know,
sort of his you know, his demeanor as a as
a teammate, you know, his passion for the team and
his commitment is accountability those kinds of things, because as

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a rookie left tackle, you're going to have some some
you know, bumps in the road. So I think you
need to have that kind of mentality. You know, it's
not the same, but you know, kind of like when
we talk about cornerbacks needing to have short memories, you know,
and Mike said it, if you're going to make a
living in the NFL dropping back forty times every game,
they're gonna be bumps. And uh so it sounds like

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he has that kind of demeanor that that can handle it.
So m last year at LSU, they.

Speaker 6 (01:51:52):
Dropped back forty times a game, and he's got Nick
Gorton and Shamar Stewart coming off the edge at him
and they're just dropping back and dropping back. And he
was able to you know, there were some works. You know,
there's some some losses, no doubt about it, but he
was he was able to hold his own more more
than hold his own.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
I would say, Gary writes in Fred in particular, but
all of you agreed said you don't need stars in
the offensive line. You need guys who are good and
play together as a unit. You got four good guys
right now and lots of candidates for left guard. Looks
fine to me.

Speaker 7 (01:52:22):
They have three I think we have two questions that
you don't like center.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
Well you're not sold on center yet?

Speaker 7 (01:52:28):
Well, I mean, I'm just going off of last year. Yeah, yeah, right,
I mean I think that the I think the Patriots
aren't sold on center. They're looking for him, you know,
they they signed one, and I think, I mean, would
you be surprised if it was cold strange? Like, I
think there's going to be a cop. I think there's
going to be a competite center. Yeah, it's going to
see competition. Yeah, I mean the odds on favorites brad Berry,

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I would say, just based on the fact that they
signed him. But wait, did he rank last year in PFF?

Speaker 6 (01:52:56):
Yeah, I would have a I don'd have a tough
time saying that anybody's gonna unsee Bradberry for next year.
In past protection, he has issues, you know, it's with
size and power on the inside and his ability to
pass protect at a really high level. But I think
his movement skills and his experience are just going to
put him over the top. I've been saying since the

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beginning that left guard is the spot that I would
look at in this draft in particular. I think there's
a lot of really good guard talent in the draft
this year. If you want to add another one in there,
I think there's a chance that you could add one
on Day two that would start over everybody on Day
that you have on your roster right now. But if
you just want to take a guy in the fourth
round or the fifth round as just an added player

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into that competition and throw his name in the hat
to I think he could do that as well and
feel pretty good about him potentially coming out as the starter.
But there's a bunch of really good early Day two
guards as well if you wanted to go that direction. Now,
I'm not necessarily saying you should or need to, but
I think that there's a way to elevate that room
even more.

Speaker 5 (01:54:00):
Sorry, can I just say, like I just still can't believe,
like col Strange was the first round pick three years ago,
and like we're like kind of just throwing him to
the side now, right Like no one's expecting anything from him.
No one's really expect like maybe he wins the center job.
No one's expecting him to take back the left guard job,
you know, in any capacity.

Speaker 7 (01:54:17):
It's just it's crazy to me, Like I don't like,
Oh yeah, I'm not. I think there's gonna be a
first round pick three years.

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
I think this is gonna be competent.

Speaker 7 (01:54:25):
Yeah. I think there's gonna be competition for those two jobs.
I really do. I think that's what Mike Rabel and
you know, Elliott Wolf and Ryan Cowden to trying to
create competition for these for these spots.

Speaker 2 (01:54:37):
Let the survivor.

Speaker 5 (01:54:38):
I have to say one more thing, just on MIKEL Williams,
who just went to San Francisco, which I He's one
guy that I really thought was gonna go much higher
than some of the projections I saw through. I just
loved him.

Speaker 7 (01:54:46):
I thought he would have.

Speaker 5 (01:54:47):
Been a great pit fit for the Patriots. I camped
him to Willie McGinnis a few times. You know, has
that ability, could be a hand down guy, can stand up,
really athletic, just scratching the surface. He's not gonna be
twenty one till May twenty years old. He was just
one of my favorite guys. I think that forty nine
has got a really good player.

Speaker 6 (01:55:02):
It's almost unfair that the forty nine ers are picking
eleven because obviously last year they had like a rash
of injuries that went through their roster and is the
only reason why they weren't in the hunt for the
super Bowl again. And now they're gonna add Michael Williams
to Nick Bosa and the rest of the guys that
they have on the defensive line. I mean, forget about it, Like, yeah,
he's a really good player. They run that four to

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three defense there in San Franco. He's going to be
a four to three end, which is his best natural position,
opposite of Nick Bosas. So there's going to see a
ton of one on ones I'm sure on that uh
weak side.

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
Let's forget we get the Dallas war on.

Speaker 5 (01:55:36):
Here we go. Where's the day?

Speaker 6 (01:55:41):
We don't even know yet, we don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:55:43):
But whatever they got, so they got.

Speaker 6 (01:55:47):
They took Tyler Booker. So they took a guard.

Speaker 2 (01:55:49):
Okay, wow, yeah, look at they they're doing hands hands
for guard.

Speaker 7 (01:55:53):
I wouldn't be doing that for a guard.

Speaker 6 (01:55:55):
They the Cowboys have a type they they love to draft,
road grading offensive lineman. Just powerful, downhill gap scheme offensive lineman.
That's exactly what Tyler Booker is. I thought that he
would slip a little bit because of his athleticism. He
really tested poorly, should not test like a first round pick.
But if you want to get somebody on a gap scheme,

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right Paul and get some duo, get some double teams
and run the ball downhill. You got your guy.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
Joe Wrightson, I absolutely love Evan's ability to cope. Boston
sports people are whiny and negative constantly. Not Evan. Evan
finds a way to be informed and entertaining without being
a black rain cloud.

Speaker 7 (01:56:36):
So there you go. I want to second that for
a second. And it was when Rabel started to talk.
I was I was sort of patting Evan on the back.
In less than thirty seconds. He like really diffused me,
Like because I'm you know, I do. I know. I
make fun of myself all the time, but there's truth
in every sort of exaggerated joke. I get concerned about

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a lot of stuff because it's just inherent. I grew
up a Boston sports fan, and I'm not really used
to the way it's been the last twenty years. I'm
used to the way it was the first thirty five
years of my life. Right, I always think something bad
is going to happen, and I worry about the arms
and the history and everything, and like that Peter Scaronski
thing that Evan threw out there like really diffused me,
like calmed me right down. Well, I just think and

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it was logical, Like that was a great argument and
it totally made sense.

Speaker 6 (01:57:24):
This has gotten my backside for a while now about
the NFL is that every single tackle in college that
has short arms, it's just automatic guard. It's just automatic
and no matter what guard. And then we all look
around in like you know, Week sixteen, and nobody has

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any left tackles and they're like, where are all the
left tackles. It's like, well, you move them all inside
to guard. So like maybe if you actually give these
guys that really excelled in the FBS at playing tackle
a chance at tackle, their natural position, then they wouldn't
have an issue at tackle like every other.

Speaker 2 (01:58:01):
And I wonder, like, not only is there a dearth
of left tackles, but is there a shortage of good
offensive line coaches? I wonder how many of these organizations
have an offensive line coaches? No, no, no, bring them
to me. I'll make sure he can play left tackle.
I wonder if there's not a lot of that going
around in the NFL too.

Speaker 6 (01:58:20):
Yeah, and I just look at the Skeronski pick even
further and and like he hasn't even been very good
at guard, and and the natural instinct, you know, like
we we we talk about, is that, oh, he'll be
an All Pro guard.

Speaker 7 (01:58:33):
Right, that's the part that I'm saying. I'm gonna still
put my I'm gonna put my foot down about that.
I'll let you know when he's an All Pro guard,
that's it, and that's his basement.

Speaker 6 (01:58:40):
What like, what if he actually what if Peter Skeronsky
actually would have been a better tackle because he played
there in the Dallas NFL career. It drives me nuts
that this is what they do.

Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
And yeah, there is Dallas party. Drake may Scott in
the UK says, it's not sexy, it's one for five
and am here and we picked a tackle. It's not sexy,
it's not clever, but it's necessary. I wasn't sure he
could play ot in the NFL. But if Scar who
was absolutely consulted, thinks he can, I'm all in. If

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he ends up at guard, this pick is a failure,
I'm hopeful that won't happen. Love his attitude after being picked.

Speaker 5 (01:59:22):
I just to your point to have we went through
how many guys there were that in this draft class
that even have a chance to play left tackle out
of the gate. And it's almost more selective than the
quarterback position right now, Like there are guys that at
least some of the quarterbacks like Sanders, like, well we'll
give him a chance, right, Like some of these guys,
like you said, they're not even getting a chance because
of their physical measurements. Whereas at least some of the
quarterbacks are going to get a chance. At least three

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of these guys are probably going to get a chance.
But after the three that are already off the board,
now we don't know. There's a whole bunch of big
questions now with like Erstree and everybody else that's coming
down the pipe, and all.

Speaker 6 (01:59:53):
Three tackles are gone, right, so so Membu, Banks and
obviously Campbell are off the board. And we talked about
this the top of the show. If you didn't get
the tackle.

Speaker 7 (02:00:02):
Now like wish my drop dead spot. Yeah, I didn't
want to go lower than ten because now if you
think about it.

Speaker 6 (02:00:09):
And really you would have, you wouldn't have gone anybody.

Speaker 7 (02:00:10):
Well, but if Chicago went from ten to drop there
taking someone different, you still you took one of the three. Right,
So there's one of those three is still available? Probably
yeahs because they're not. They wouldn't have moved up to
take a tackle. They would have moved up to take genty.

Speaker 2 (02:00:25):
Hey, Matt Morrell, are we do? We have Will Campbell? Ready?
Did I wake you up? I'm sorry, he's nodding his head. Yeah, Okay,
let's go to Will Campbell talking to the meet. Let's
hear from the guy himself.

Speaker 22 (02:00:45):
Hi, Well, congratulations, what's going on?

Speaker 14 (02:00:48):
Thank you?

Speaker 34 (02:00:48):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 23 (02:00:51):
Guys, we're gonna we'll go ahead and start with questions
in the room here and then we'll possibly go to
ones that are online. So go ahead and all wait, guys,
produce yourself as you asked the question.

Speaker 4 (02:01:02):
Well, Mark Daniels to cover of the Patriots for Mass Live.

Speaker 22 (02:01:05):
Coach Rabel told us that he got.

Speaker 9 (02:01:07):
To works on last week and there's a report out
there from Pete Themmeill that you put Rabel on his butt.

Speaker 22 (02:01:15):
Just curious on what it was like working with your
working out with your new head coach.

Speaker 34 (02:01:19):
Yeah, I mean it was amazing.

Speaker 7 (02:01:21):
Uh.

Speaker 34 (02:01:21):
You know, him and some of the other staff came
in and you know, we had a great work out,
got some good work in. They taught me some some
new stuff and yeah, I mean I got him.

Speaker 5 (02:01:31):
Uh, I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 7 (02:01:32):
I got him on the ground.

Speaker 5 (02:01:34):
Uh.

Speaker 34 (02:01:34):
And then we had a great lunch after a bunch
of great guys. I'm just super excited for this opportunity.

Speaker 6 (02:01:41):
Well, what was it, Sophie.

Speaker 22 (02:01:43):
I reported on the Patriots for eight Z Sports.

Speaker 6 (02:01:46):
I'm just curious what it.

Speaker 33 (02:01:47):
Was like to hear your name called and what it
means to play for an organization like the Patriots.

Speaker 34 (02:01:52):
I managed everything. I played for a historic program at LSU,
and now to play for one in New England. You know, Uh,
I guess I'm lucky. But I'm just super excited and
thankful to wear that logo and on the side of
my helmet and across the front of my chest is
a complete honor and I'm just excited.

Speaker 22 (02:02:11):
Well, Chris Price with the Boston Globe, I'm curious.

Speaker 35 (02:02:14):
I know that you have a relationship with Keishan Boodie,
but in terms of guys who are already in the
New England locker room.

Speaker 22 (02:02:19):
Have you been able to connect with any of them,
and who might some of those guys be.

Speaker 34 (02:02:24):
I've had a chance to you know, I know Jacquelin
Roy as well. He was one of my teammates. Him
and Kashan Boudier, you know, the two that I know
the best.

Speaker 36 (02:02:33):
Uh.

Speaker 34 (02:02:34):
You know, I've seen some of the other guys around
the facility when I was there on my Top thirty visit.
But you know, I'm just super excited to get up
there and meet the rest.

Speaker 36 (02:02:41):
Of the guys.

Speaker 33 (02:02:44):
Hey Will congratulations, Nicole Miner would have in Providence.

Speaker 22 (02:02:47):
How excited are you to work with Drake May and
ultimately to protect him on the field.

Speaker 34 (02:02:52):
Yeah, I'm super excited. He's a heck of a player,
a heck of a leader, and you know he's the
commander of our offense. I only excited to play with him,
but you know the rest of the team. I'm excited
for the future that we have in Foxborough and I
think we got a special season coming.

Speaker 22 (02:03:10):
And well, congratulations. Sam Knox with wpr I TV and Providence.
What were your oppressions watching the Patriots growing up? Any
memories that kind of stick.

Speaker 7 (02:03:18):
Out to you? Yeah.

Speaker 34 (02:03:19):
I mean they always used to just dominate. Every time
that I turned the TV on and the Patriots were playing,
they were dominating whoever it was, you know, Tom Brady,
Danny m Mondola, Julian Edelman, Gronk, all those guys just
dominating throughout the years that I was growing up. So
that's all I remember is them just winning.

Speaker 33 (02:03:44):
Hey, will nicoleang Boston Globe, When did you know that
you were gonna be drafted by the Patriots.

Speaker 34 (02:03:51):
This is where I've wanted to be since the start.
Elliott Wolf came to my practice whenever I was probably
about week five of the season, and I told him
this is where I wanted to be.

Speaker 31 (02:04:01):
Uh.

Speaker 35 (02:04:02):
And you know, we parents, I know, it's about the
appreciating their son grow up. That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:04:12):
Yeah, it's an interesting thing because a lot of times
this day and age, some of the parents can get
a bed, that's for sure.

Speaker 13 (02:04:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:04:30):
So there, sorry about that. No, it's all good.

Speaker 6 (02:04:34):
Sorry. Well, so you were saying that Elliott game twenty
of your practices in week five and he told them
you wanted to.

Speaker 36 (02:04:38):
Be in New England.

Speaker 34 (02:04:39):
Yeah, I mean I told him, and you know, our
area scout Alex Brooks that I wanted to be a
Patriot and that happened in the middle of the season.
I've had great interactions with you know, everybody throughout the process,
a lot of them, you know, private workouts, thirty visits,
just being up there, getting to meet everybody, and you know,
it's just where I wanted to be, and you know,
I'm just super excited to get there.

Speaker 26 (02:05:02):
Hey Will Karen greg gave from mass Live.

Speaker 8 (02:05:06):
If you were to describe your playing style to the
New England fan base, how would you describe it?

Speaker 36 (02:05:13):
Nasty?

Speaker 34 (02:05:14):
Uh, you know, I'm going to go out there and
give everything I have, every single play to you know,
protect my teammates, protect my quarterback, and just put the
you know, the Patriots in the best position possible to
you know, help win games.

Speaker 22 (02:05:27):
On Sundays, he will Chris Mason with Mats Love. You
said a few times that New England is where you.

Speaker 14 (02:05:34):
Want it to be.

Speaker 7 (02:05:34):
Why is that?

Speaker 34 (02:05:36):
I just think that the culture and you know, the
New England Patriot logo speaks for itself. I believe in
the guys in that locker room. I believe in the
quarterback and coach of rabel Is. You know, my kind
of guy. He's all ball, no bs, and that's what
I want to play for. He's very hands on, he
loves the players that he coaches, and you know, I

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just want to be a part of that.

Speaker 1 (02:06:03):
Well.

Speaker 23 (02:06:03):
Greg Goodard from Boston Sports Journal, with all the discussion
about your arm length, whether you can play left tackle
in the league, are you.

Speaker 22 (02:06:10):
Entering this league with more of a chip on your
shoulder than probably normal.

Speaker 34 (02:06:14):
I'm just excited to, you know, get any opportunity that
you know, presents his self to, you know, help the
team in any way that I can, wherever that might be.
And I'm just excited to be a Patriot.

Speaker 26 (02:06:28):
Hey will thank you for twelve Sports in Rhode Island.
I don't know if you've had a chance to talk
with coach Kelly at all. He's a New England guy.
Did he give you any tips about what to expect
in New England? And I don't know if he showed
you that New England accent.

Speaker 22 (02:06:41):
I know people pick on.

Speaker 13 (02:06:42):
Him for that.

Speaker 34 (02:06:45):
Yeah, I mean, Coach Kelly's whole his Both of his
sons have been telling me that their uncle lives up
there right outside of Foxburg, and he's gonna get me
set up and coach. Coach Kelly told my dad he's
gonna have to cook y'all some gumbo. So we'll see
what that's about.

Speaker 3 (02:07:01):
Anything else, Guys, Will Nicol Valley from mass last you've
spent much time for any outside of the visits in
New England up north of the Massachusetts area.

Speaker 37 (02:07:11):
Do you have any connections up here?

Speaker 14 (02:07:13):
No, sir, I do not.

Speaker 34 (02:07:14):
You know, whenever I came up on my thirty visit,
that was the first time that I had been up there.
That was awesome place. I'm super excited to get there.

Speaker 7 (02:07:24):
Will.

Speaker 22 (02:07:24):
We'll see you tomorrow morning.

Speaker 34 (02:07:25):
Yes, sir, sounds good. Thank you. I appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (02:07:28):
Have a great night.

Speaker 23 (02:07:29):
You've got a lot of media stuff to do while
you're there.

Speaker 22 (02:07:32):
But talk about toughness.

Speaker 2 (02:07:35):
To me, I feel like, all right, that's that's Will
Campbell and straight from the horse's mouth, as it were.

Speaker 7 (02:07:42):
Yeah. So I'll tell you the thing that he said
that I liked the most, And it wasn't necessarily that
Will Campbell said it.

Speaker 5 (02:07:47):
He put on his butt.

Speaker 7 (02:07:51):
He's all ball, no bs. Yeah, And I think that's
the thing I'm probably most excited about the twenty five
Patriots about it.

Speaker 2 (02:07:57):
I mean and Will Campbell smacks of someone who can
has a good BS detector.

Speaker 5 (02:08:02):
I mean it's like him and Verybell cut from the
same cloth. That's why, like this whole story coming out
of him putting Rabel on his butt and Rabel, I
mean we talked about it before it even was out
like that. That's how Rabele is. He gets to get
in there, and clearly Will Campbell respects that as well.
I mean it's I think it's a really good match
for a head coach. It's just a weird thing to say,
like a it's a great match for the offensive tackle
and the head coach. But it is like these two

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guys seem very much alike, and I think it should
be a good match.

Speaker 6 (02:08:27):
Yeah, you have a you know him talking about Elliott
Wolf going there in week five of the season.

Speaker 2 (02:08:31):
And save us. Can you come out now?

Speaker 26 (02:08:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (02:08:34):
Right, and already at practice. And I believe him when
he says that he wanted to be New England the
entire time. I think that that was genuine. And you know,
you go back to well, you know, when were they
convicted about the pick and you know, were they one
hundred percent sold? Well, I think Elliott Wolf being down
in Baton Rouge in some random week of the college
football season, tells you that they they had had their

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eye on Will Campbell for quite some time.

Speaker 7 (02:08:58):
Oh, no doubt.

Speaker 5 (02:08:59):
We got to get rid of the Jets green suit.
He's got on though, that that green that's get.

Speaker 2 (02:09:04):
Some So as as they said on the call, we'll
have Will Campbell here in in the house tomorrow. He'll
do the car car wash at all our first round
picks do, including being out in the field with the
crafts and holding up the jersey. We'll have him in
our studio. We'll do a one on one with him,
and we'll bring him in here. Yea, so we'll get

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to see him live and in person. Yeah, so I
can gush all over him.

Speaker 7 (02:09:31):
You can.

Speaker 2 (02:09:36):
He took it. He took it in a dark.

Speaker 7 (02:09:39):
Place, negative, sneaky, dirty.

Speaker 2 (02:09:44):
The guy that looks like he's going to church, you know.

Speaker 7 (02:09:50):
Gosh, you can tell him how he was banging the
table guy.

Speaker 2 (02:09:59):
Yeah, we have a thing we call it bt T.
You're a bang the table guy.

Speaker 5 (02:10:04):
You banged it before the thing even started. You were
banging the table for him. So I'll be good tomorrow.
It's so fun.

Speaker 7 (02:10:11):
I mean, not Mike, I love tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (02:10:14):
I love. It's one of my favorite. The day is nice,
the weather's getting nice, is there, leaves are coming out.
We got a new guy, we got a left tackle.

Speaker 7 (02:10:22):
Finally, you can set a farmer's almanac. So this is
what will be the nicest weekend of the spring every year. Thursday, Friday,
late April Saturday supposed to be supposed to be little Raneus.
There there you go, which makes sense since it would
be an early day for us.

Speaker 2 (02:10:39):
So let's catch people up. Ted McMillan, we went went
to Arizona. I believe you went to Carolina. H Kelvin
Banks went to the Saints. Colston Lovelin went to the Bears.
That's a surprise. Paul's guy, MIKEL. Williams went to the
forty nine Ers. Mike's Mike's guy.

Speaker 7 (02:10:56):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:10:57):
Tyler Booker, the guard went to the Cowboys. We talked
about that. Kenneth Grant, the defensive tackle went to the Dolphins.

Speaker 7 (02:11:04):
Goes back to back with to the only two real
surprising picks. To me, yeah, I thought that that's a
little early.

Speaker 2 (02:11:10):
For over that.

Speaker 7 (02:11:10):
I love the Dolphins man the Tyler Booker, they reach
on every.

Speaker 2 (02:11:14):
Pick and Tyler Warren. The tight end went to the Colts.

Speaker 7 (02:11:19):
Yeah, and the Colts haven't had a tight end and forever.
So that's a good picture.

Speaker 2 (02:11:23):
Will say, I'll give you bred to Paul's instincts so
far or right when it comes to Sanders, Yeah, no,
he's right now.

Speaker 7 (02:11:30):
I had Paul to win the bet fifteen to Oh yeah,
we say.

Speaker 2 (02:11:33):
Top fifty, top fifteen. The Falcons aren't taking them in
top half of them.

Speaker 5 (02:11:38):
I have to buy apaulow jersey, although that jersey might
still comes through and then maybe we all get we
all get each I.

Speaker 7 (02:11:43):
Just gotta I gotta sweat out of trade.

Speaker 6 (02:11:44):
But I really love the Falcon to fit for Colston
Loveland in Chicago. Sam Laporter, right, yeah, I didn't know
if they were going to have the kahonas to draft
him that high with the injuries that he has the
ac joint, but he is a Sam Laporta clone. You
put him into Ben Johnson offense and he's going to
be a dynamic pass catcher. I mean, that's a.

Speaker 7 (02:12:05):
Group that what Chicago was doing. I gotta be honest.

Speaker 6 (02:12:09):
Yeah, they have a lot of talent, you know, I
don't know if they're going to get the coaching, but
they have a ton of talent.

Speaker 2 (02:12:13):
Are you surprised that Loveland went ahead of Warren a
little bit?

Speaker 5 (02:12:16):
But I'd keep Evan credit on that. I think he
was all over Loveland, and you know, I think a
little bit about him going above Warren.

Speaker 7 (02:12:23):
It was fit. He's like you know, and Evan talked
a lot about this. I don't know. It might have
been Mike when you were I think it would have
been Tuesday when you and I were talking, Like in
a certain system he fits better than Warren and other systems,
it's Warren over Lovelan. So it depended on you sort
of the eye of the beholder.

Speaker 6 (02:12:39):
Yeah, Loveland is a more dynamic receiver. He's a more
dynamic playmaker. Uh, definitely a dynamic, more dynamic route runner
than Tyler Warren. Tyler Warren is a little bit more
well rounded. But if you kind of put them in
those two buckets, like the Travis Kelcey and the Kronk bucket,
you know, Loveland's Travis Kelcey, you know, and and Warren's
more Gronkowski or you know, really with Loveland, I would

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say brought Bowers right, Like that's the type of player
that you're getting with him if he is healthy. If
I'm a Patriots fan right now, I'm feeling okay about
what the other AFC East teams did. Armond Membu to
the Jets makes a lot of sense for them to
round out their offensive line. That's a fine things.

Speaker 7 (02:13:19):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (02:13:20):
Kenneth Grant though, to the Dolphins, just I chuckled at
that one, because all they do is is draft athletes.
They don't really care about anything else. They just care
about athleticism. He is a freaks list athlete, but he's
an interior run stuffer. He didn't ever really rise to
that level at Michigan and really play to his athleticism fully.

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Did in spurts, didn't flashes, but wasn't overall consistent. But
this is a big interior run stuffing defensive lineman. They
needed it, like it was a need for that team
in terms of shoring up the middle of their defense.
But it's not a guy that I'm like, Oh, the
Dolphins got Kenneth Grant, like we're in trouble.

Speaker 5 (02:14:00):
They just like, oh, what's the local kid on the
Michigan kid?

Speaker 14 (02:14:02):
Right?

Speaker 5 (02:14:03):
They went to the to the Raiders, that's Christian Wilkins. Yeah, sorry,
not a Michigan kid. But still that's just like that's
what you get in Like you had that guy, then
you let that guy walk, and then two years later.
I mean i'd say Wilkins is. I mean, he's a
proven pro, but I think he's the more well rounded
player than what they're getting with Grant. Not exactly the same.

Speaker 6 (02:14:21):
Like I would say right now, just looking at the board,
Booker and Grant going back to back picks are the
biggest reaches so far. Just based off the consensus boards
in the media, most people thought Kenneth Grant would be
you know, in play maybe the Buffalo.

Speaker 7 (02:14:34):
I thought people said Buffalo at the end of the rounds.

Speaker 6 (02:14:36):
Yeah, and Tyler Booker two, you know, thirty thirty one
on most consensus.

Speaker 7 (02:14:40):
Yeah, just like you know with the Loveland and Warren thing,
I'm just looking at Dane Brugler. He had Warren eight
and Loveland eleven. So I mean that's pretty close. Yeah,
it's not. You know, some people like to love one better. Yeah,
and I think certainly you made the argument with the
way Chicago wants to use that guy.

Speaker 2 (02:14:58):
Yeah, do that. I think them picking Loveland a skill
position player gives any credence to them also having been
interested in gent like we need weapons for Caleb Williams.

Speaker 6 (02:15:10):
Which is so crazy to me because they just drafted Romadonsay.
They have DJ Moore like they have DeAndre Swift in
the backfield tight end was a spot that they have
Cole Kamed like, they have a pretty good starting tight end.
Now he's not as dynamic as love one, but I
just look at it and it's interesting. You know, different
ways to build around the quarterback, right, you know, they're

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they're loading up on skill players in Chicago, they have
a big.

Speaker 2 (02:15:34):
Hole lesson Ben Johnson.

Speaker 6 (02:15:36):
Well they did it last year too, so you know
they they drafted Williams and and Romaduonsay, you know, back
to back, you know, in the first round one and nine.
So yep, that's just the way they're building it.

Speaker 2 (02:15:47):
Let's go to the phones. Eight five five, pats five hundred.
Shawn's in Connecticut. What's up, Sean, Sean? Sean, He's gone,
He's been holding on for a what can I say?
Cam's in Bedford, mass what's up?

Speaker 7 (02:16:03):
Cam? Bedford? All Right, he's got We're not hearing the
volume now they're not there.

Speaker 2 (02:16:11):
Okay, the fall for.

Speaker 6 (02:16:12):
Jalen Walker finally ends, so he's going here to it
Atlanta at fifteen. I think this is a more comfortable
range for Jalen Walker. I never really bought all the
hype of him being an option at four overall, maybe
that some of that smoke was about a trade down scenario.
I always just viewed him as too much of a
tweeter linebacker to take him that high. Like, I didn't

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think he was a full time edge player like some
other people did. His size, you know, six one, two forty.
I just don't think you can play three downs on
the edge in the NFL like that. And him at
fifteen feels a lot more realistic and comfortable than taking
him in the top five.

Speaker 5 (02:16:48):
Yeah, does this start some of the edge run now
with guys like you know, Mike Green, Shamar Stewart, Scordon.

Speaker 7 (02:16:55):
He's my guy though, I really I really like him.
You talk about all the other stuff, non football stuff,
you know, in terms of leadership and character and all
that he has that off the charts. I really like
that player. I think he's going to be good Christians in.

Speaker 2 (02:17:08):
LA He's been holding on for a while. What's up, Christian?

Speaker 16 (02:17:12):
Hey, you guys good evening, and thanks for taking my
call here from La where it's sunny. But I'm a
little bit a little bit hotter than the collar. Hey, listen,
I like what Masan Graham stands for. I mean, what
Will Campbell stands for. I like that he fits the knees.
What I don't like is, as Darante Sarnecki said, if
you're picking within the top five, you better take someone

(02:17:34):
that puts the ball in the end zone or puts
quarterbacks on their butt. I think I'll get Will Campbell
a chance. He might not be a great guy to
protect Drake me left side. So let's move on and forward.
And I don't even know who you guys think. Then,
now that we believe we have someone to protect Drake May,
who do you think is a weapon that we can

(02:17:56):
bring in or the highest rated weapons you guys have
that now we can bring again to give drink someone
who drove the ball to my first guy. I would
like to see the third round, maybe without maybe without
second pick. In the third round, if the kid named
Dentony Thornton get some tape on sick with five everyone

(02:18:16):
four three he played Metcalf but a little faster.

Speaker 2 (02:18:20):
Yeah, he's on my back of the envelope like a
faster you can.

Speaker 6 (02:18:23):
If they take.

Speaker 7 (02:18:25):
He's gonna go around after Metcalf.

Speaker 6 (02:18:27):
Now, if they take Dante Thornton in the fifth round,
I'll say, nice, nice fly, right, like nice nice dart
throw here, not the third round pick.

Speaker 7 (02:18:36):
Terrific skills in all seriousness, but I just hasn't really
put it together.

Speaker 6 (02:18:40):
Yeah, I understand what Christians saying about you to those
you know, touchdowns or sack producers, But I would just say,
the guys you have on the team that are supposed
to score touchdowns can't score touchdowns to the offensive line
is as bad as it was last year. And that's
what we consistently saw. So the guy that's gonna score
touchdowns is Drake, and now he has somebody that is

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going to allow him to operate to score touchdowns, you know.
And and it's just that's the way you got to
look at it.

Speaker 7 (02:19:07):
So hopefully Christian's still listening. I know, Fred let him go.
I would just say, like, let's we're gonna get to tomorrow.
We're gonna see who's available and then sort of identify
maybe a weapon that we think makes some sense. It's
kind of hard to just say, well, that's the guy
that they need to target. When you're literally I could say,
Matthew Golden, you know, get twenty picks away. Does Matthew

(02:19:27):
Golden slip or sliders somewhere?

Speaker 6 (02:19:29):
Well, I think he's already kind of sliding a little
bit here, and and maybe some of these receivers, you know,
Golden Buka, I think we're going.

Speaker 7 (02:19:36):
And you know what happened as soon as one gets taken.

Speaker 6 (02:19:39):
I would say early twenties. You know, one of these
guys might go and maybe you know a little bit
earlier than that, and then you'll see Golden Abuka. But
Burden is the one that I've had circled the whole time,
you know, with his character issues and some of the
things that teams have concerns about in terms of what
happened last year at Missouri. Does he fall into the

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second round because of that? And at that point at
thirty eight, as a team that needs special and needs
playmaking on offense, do you just take a little bit
of risk on with that kind of stuff and just say,
you know, it's just a little bit of a diva.
You know, he's a wide receiver, right he wasn't getting
the ball, they weren't winning. Yeah, you know that sort
of thing.

Speaker 5 (02:20:19):
I also just think that it's got to be one
of these next three picks. If you're a serious one
of a receiver that you want to maybe contribute to
the team, it's got to be in these next three picks.
And you have diminishing returns as you get into the
third round. I've said I wanted some speed, and I
think that's an element that you can still find in
the third round. But I don't really care about a fourth, fifth,
sixth round wide receiver, a flyer. You've got nine wide

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receivers on the roster. That's the point where just let
the guys you already have compete, unless you're bringing in
somebody in the next tomorrow. Let's just say bringing somebody
tomorrow that has something unique about them that gives them
a chance to succeed in this room as it's currently constituted,
because you're quickly going to get out of a space
where these guys are going to even have a chance
to go against you know, guys in the second year.

Speaker 7 (02:21:01):
I want to give them happen it breathe and you know,
and if like listen, there's guys. Plenty of guys get taken,
you know, third round, fourth round, fifth round. They work out.
But to your point, Mike, and I agree with what
you're saying. You can't rely on that it might happen.
You might you might hit it. You might find one
of those guys that slip for a you know, Terry
McLaurin that just sort of slips for whatever reason, it

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turns out to be a really really good receiver. I
think McLaurin was a third or fourth round guy. Wasn't
it third round or third round guy for Washington. It happens,
you can get one, but yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:21:31):
But it slowly gets tighter. And I mean, i'd just
rather say you get into day three now we're talking
about running backs, like there's gonna be some good running
backs left then. You know, that's how you have to
balance things out with how these groups are stacked. And
you know, like I said, we're getting into Fredzep, We're
getting into some wide receiver run, maybe some edge run.
You know, these are things I think that should definitely
interest the Patriots wide receiver defensive end if they're thinking

(02:21:52):
about trading back up here at the end, as we
enter the second half of the first round here, like
there could be some guys that they could target to move.

Speaker 6 (02:22:00):
Yeah, I would just worry, you know, at the wide
receiver position and draft like this. You know, we talk
a lot about the Terry mclaurin's and stuff like that
that those are an exceptionally deep wide receiver classes. That
day you often find those hidden gems like this one. Yeah,
this is not that right. This is not a receiver
class that's thought of as highly as that class was
or some of the other classes where that has happened.

(02:22:22):
So I look at this and say, you know, if
you're really going to get a guy that's going to
come in here and have a chance not to just
compete for a roster spot, but to be a top three,
you know, impact receiver, it's going to have to come
quickly here. Otherwise you're kind of getting what you already have.
You know, you're you're just sort of putting another name
in the hat.

Speaker 5 (02:22:41):
Snow guy, the big guy that you know, the big
guy that can jump, I can't really run, the little
guy that can run.

Speaker 2 (02:22:46):
But they do that.

Speaker 7 (02:22:49):
If they do take a flyer.

Speaker 6 (02:22:52):
And it's like Nolan, who is it?

Speaker 7 (02:22:56):
If it is a flyer on a Day three guy.
I wouldn't mind Christians guy like something like that. Like,
like Kevin said, that's when you go for the like
the the toolesy kind of guy who for whatever reason
does have the production that matches.

Speaker 6 (02:23:08):
Yeah, I would say my l for a reason, it's
an earlier or late thing at wide receiver. In a
draft like this, you're either taking a guy at thirty
eight that you feel like is going to come in
and immediately contribute and having a high impact, or you're
waiting on thorin. Isaac Teslaw is another guy from Arkansas
that's gotten a lot of love. It's a really good
athlete and you might be able to hit another level
in the pros.

Speaker 7 (02:23:28):
Veric Dedholme really likes.

Speaker 6 (02:23:29):
Yeah, you know guys like that. You know those guys
you know, fourth fifth round that you can get that
have some upside, that have some real athletic tools. But
then there's like this dearth in the middle. There of
guys that are just kind of like what you got.

Speaker 5 (02:23:43):
You guys are saying dearth a lot, because I've heard
earth come out of twice from you when you just threw.

Speaker 2 (02:23:46):
A dearth too, So I've been.

Speaker 6 (02:23:49):
It's a dirty draft.

Speaker 5 (02:23:51):
It's a dearth of dearth mentions here on the show.
I just say that, like in terms of the weapons,
like I'd rather take a shot on a running back
where you have two guys entrenched in you know, Terrell,
what's his face like, you know, or even the tight
end position where there at least is a theory that
there's some room to operate and to compete, whereas the
wide receiver room, like there's like I said, there's nine

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guys probably six of them right now that you could
at least say could be on the team. Like, so
that's just I know that that's not a high end group,
but I want to give some room to breathe to
some of these younger prospects.

Speaker 2 (02:24:22):
Craigan's central mass. Don't ignore Paul's concerns. The man has
great negative instincts. He called the Joe Milton issue. Before
the season, Fred and Tamara mocked him like he was
a pouty child. He ended up being right. However, I
think Campbell will figure it out, just.

Speaker 7 (02:24:37):
Like he hasdous negative is a great freaking line.

Speaker 2 (02:24:42):
I think Campbell will figure it out. Any chance they
go with Tyler Booker in the second round, to build
the left side that's intimidating and violent.

Speaker 7 (02:24:51):
I'm going to say there's a zero percent chance of that.
I'm going to assume that he was taken after that
email came in, But he was taken twelve.

Speaker 6 (02:25:00):
Yea was yeah, very high. I agree with a lot
of Paul's concerns about Will Campbell. I just think at
this point, like they picked the guy, so like, now
let's see what he's made of, right, Like.

Speaker 7 (02:25:11):
That's been around for a few years now, he knows
how we do it on Sunshine dot Com. We picked him.

Speaker 6 (02:25:16):
Now, well, it's just like what the debate's over, right, Like,
this is the player they picked, right, So this is
the this is the one you're going to the dance with.
So like, when we get out there in training camp,
I'm sure my binoculars will be on the left tackle
and I'll tell you all about his past sets and
his run.

Speaker 7 (02:25:32):
I thought it would be hilarious if we're on like
the upper deck and Evan's got the buyo's out. It's
like a telescope all the way down and like Harold
Landry comes in does a quick you know, one of
those quick you know, step outside, quick slant to the inside,
which is supposedly what he had some trouble with, you know,
that quick inside move and all of a sudden he
gets by him and Evan goes gotta move in the guard.

Speaker 6 (02:25:57):
Well, I also do want to put that out there,
like he's gonna lose some blocks right like and so
like let's not you know, well, we're not gonna see.

Speaker 7 (02:26:06):
It in practice because they don't have like an electric
pass rusher like Harold Landry is a good solid workman like.

Speaker 6 (02:26:15):
They don't yet, No, like, where are they going to
get it about? Loaded with pass rushers? We got plenty, I.

Speaker 5 (02:26:25):
Tell you, though. My radar is still way way up
for this tonight, like I still think I do.

Speaker 7 (02:26:31):
So that's good. Let's get into that. Yeah, this is
where I facilitate for.

Speaker 2 (02:26:35):
This is where you go to a break and then
you come back.

Speaker 7 (02:26:39):
Okay, so they took Will Campbell, So now the need
for the tackle isn't there. That was my reason for
trading up back into the first round. I don't really
see the need to do that. I agree. Okay, Well,
Mike and Evan sort of they want to they want
something else. I think Mike wants an edge. But if

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there one want to give up those ass Okay, I
thought you were just saying I messed it up.

Speaker 6 (02:27:08):
No, No, But like we're very much our types. And
Mike is an edge guy and I'm a wide receiver guy.

Speaker 7 (02:27:13):
That's really interesting defense.

Speaker 2 (02:27:15):
I don't know if what listen, I think if Matthew
Golden all of a sudden is available at thirty maybe, yeah,
maybe he's a guy you would do it.

Speaker 38 (02:27:23):
That.

Speaker 2 (02:27:23):
That's just where I wonder, why is he available at thirty?

Speaker 6 (02:27:27):
Yeah? Get your head right that that that's where my
head is at with wide receiver. You know, I just
kind of talked about how you know some of these
day too wide receivers. I'm not like crazy about a
lot of them, right, you know, I really like Noel,
I really like Kyle Williams. Like those are the two
guys that I would say, you know, I would gravitate
towards on day two. But if there's these uh you know,

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a Buka Burden Golden, these guys start to slide a
little bit. You know, that's a way to really get
it high impact receiver out of this first round. And
if you're the Patriots, you know, at age, like my
whole take on edge and has just been such a
deep class that there'll be an edge at sixty nine
or seventy seven that could come in here and contribute
to the Patriots.

Speaker 7 (02:28:06):
And were just sort of starting to get to the
area where you're starting to say, is X sliding? This
is kind of what we thought that maybe I thought
Jalen Jalen Walker, I thought was ide receivers. That should
have been I should have been more clear.

Speaker 6 (02:28:23):
Yeah, I think we're getting to the point now we're
in golden territory. You know, realistically I thought he would
go a little higher than this potentially, But like I'm.

Speaker 7 (02:28:31):
Looking at the Beast, he had him fifteen on his
top one hundred lists. So what are we are We sixteen?

Speaker 6 (02:28:37):
Now we're at seventeen.

Speaker 7 (02:28:40):
Who was sixteen Falcons? Oh okay, that was sixteen, and
they took Nolan. It's official MIC number thirteen. Mike's way,
no tomatoes, parties, please pickles and onions.

Speaker 36 (02:28:54):
But I got you.

Speaker 6 (02:28:55):
So I'll just click the red to the Beast, you know,
took Stewart.

Speaker 2 (02:29:04):
Yeah, yeah, here we go, and then Mike Green will
probably go.

Speaker 6 (02:29:07):
So if you want any hope, you know, any hope,
if you want to really sink your teeth into some
Will Campbell tape. I would say, Shamar Stewart, who is
a freak athlete with like thirty four inch arms, you know,
the type of guy that's supposed to give Will Campbell problems,
right long, explosive edge rusher. I thought Will Campbell completely
shut him down.

Speaker 7 (02:29:27):
Who's the guy from South Carolina, Kyle Canard?

Speaker 6 (02:29:30):
I like, yeah, yeah, he did a nice job. Yeah,
well later in that game. Yeah, but Shamar Stewart, you know,
he should have been the guy that you get the
arm length extension, you get the speed off the edge,
like the power and all that stuff. I thought Will
Campbell did a really nice job against him. Uh in
that game, not so much with the you know, deuces

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guy scorting over there, but I thought he was good
against Stuart. And you know, I think this pick for
the the Bengals again, and we're getting into that territory
this class where a lot of this is just betting
on traits and upside. You know, Stewart's production in college
was not very good, but he's a traits you know, toolsy,
high end athlete, one of the best athletes to ever

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tested the combine, you know, really high end athlete, and
they're they're gonna hope that they can get it out
of them.

Speaker 2 (02:30:17):
All right, let's get back to the phones. Let's start
off with Willem and Philim. What's up?

Speaker 7 (02:30:23):
William?

Speaker 36 (02:30:24):
What's up?

Speaker 28 (02:30:25):
How you doing?

Speaker 2 (02:30:26):
All right?

Speaker 6 (02:30:27):
Uh?

Speaker 36 (02:30:28):
I understand the will the will Campbell pick.

Speaker 2 (02:30:30):
I get it.

Speaker 36 (02:30:31):
You know some of the fans was not really happy
about it. You know, the reaction was just crazy tout.
I understand. We need to keep drake me up right.
I totally understand it. So to Evan, you've been cramming
about this idea about tackle all year because they didn't
do it last year, so he did this year. So
I want to know you're gonna get on board one
wide receiving there. So we only got the quarterback you

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got to tackle. Are you gonna get on board and
wide receiving there.

Speaker 6 (02:30:57):
I'm always on board with wide receivers. I'm just the
guy that I build through the trenches. I want to
build up front. I think those are the teams that
are the most sustainable. Do it that way. That's just
my preference of how to do it. But I'm not
anti wide receiver by any means. I just think that
those guys. Uh you know, typically you can find those
guys like we've been talking about, and I think tackle

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it was more important this this offseason, more pressing needs.
If you want to go get a wide receiver, now
have at it. You know, you fill the need and
now you can add add on top of that.

Speaker 1 (02:31:28):
Right.

Speaker 36 (02:31:29):
So okay, So this just I'm gonna put this out there,
real fan, y'all always say that the pace of that
the receiver is always out.

Speaker 39 (02:31:38):
There day two, day three, day four, you are heavy.

Speaker 36 (02:31:42):
I don't think y'all have I think basically y'allmight forgot.
It's the New York Patriots have not been proven yet
jugment that you can draft, build, or even fire one. Okay,
I'm sorry, that's just a fact.

Speaker 7 (02:31:59):
Okay, So why do you want to draft one early?

Speaker 1 (02:32:01):
Then?

Speaker 7 (02:32:01):
If they can't do it, then why do you want
to take one early? If they can't do it.

Speaker 36 (02:32:07):
I'm not saying I don't want to take one take
one early. I'm just saying I'm just saying there, look
at their history.

Speaker 7 (02:32:14):
No, but you criticized Evan because he wanted to build
through the trenches, and you think he's ignoring wide receivers.
I don't think Evan is ignoring wide receivers, But when
do you want to take one if they if the
Patriots can't take one, like, why are we gonna? Why
are we wasting our time?

Speaker 36 (02:32:31):
Right, Paul, you're twisted my words. Listen to what I
just said.

Speaker 28 (02:32:35):
You was right there.

Speaker 36 (02:32:36):
The Patriots history. Yes, that's not improving, sir. They cannot
draft develop one.

Speaker 7 (02:32:43):
Okay, So I'm gonna I'm gonna go on Patriots history.
I'm gonna I'm gonna play Devil's advocate here, Okay, because
I get a little annoyed with this line of thought,
namely the Patriots wide receiver that failed that Mike Rabel picked.
Mike raf just got here, right, So why are we
worrying about? Like what you know, what happens with nikkil
Harry that Bill Belichick took?

Speaker 36 (02:33:06):
That's true interest? What about when Ellen Worth picked jal
and Pope?

Speaker 7 (02:33:09):
Yeah, but Elliot Wolf isn't in charge now, Mike Rabel is.
So I mean you have to figure out something like
you either say that they should take a wide receiver
or they shouldn't take one because their history says that
they're not good at it.

Speaker 2 (02:33:25):
But even even say both, But even then like I
was thinking to myself on my long commute about tight end.
And this is during the Belichick era. They needed a
tight end and they picked you know, Graham, who was
a good blocker, but pretty much that's it. They kept trying.
They go after Ben Watson, great athlete, Wasn't that great

(02:33:46):
of a tight end though. That was the problem. They
kept trying, and then they took a flyer on Rob
Gronkowski and bang they hit. You got to keep trying,
you know, even if you have the same regime, even
if it was Drod Mayo still here, to keep trying
to get a wide receiver, you know.

Speaker 7 (02:34:02):
And that's all I'm saying, William Is, I agree with you.
They need weapons. They need a number one wide receiver
like Stefan Diggs is going to be a good stop gap,
but they need a number one wide receiver. But I
understand the history has been bad. That doesn't mean you
can't you can't find and plus.

Speaker 2 (02:34:19):
Like Paul said, it is a new guy in charge.
So you know, I.

Speaker 7 (02:34:25):
No, we're all with that. We're all in the same page.

Speaker 6 (02:34:29):
Well, William Is, can I and you know I can
talk to I can talk.

Speaker 7 (02:34:32):
To you William differently, than I talk to other guys
because you know, we we go back along with it,
so I can go back at you, and just like Eldrid,
I go at Eldrid too because he's my boy.

Speaker 2 (02:34:41):
No, listen, we know we it's been a while. It's
been a minute since they picked a true w R one.

Speaker 7 (02:34:49):
There's a lot of them out there in that one
a minute WR one, Freddie, there you got a man
of the young.

Speaker 2 (02:34:54):
Thanks William.

Speaker 6 (02:34:55):
I just wonder, you know, it's kind of what Paul
is saying, and I feel the same way about William.
We love William as much. You're a great listener, so
that we're not going Adam too much. But unless, like
they you know, let's take Travis Hunter out of it,
because clearly that wasn't having it. Like were they supposed
to take tet at four like or sorry t mac
right his mom, Like we're supposed to take you know,

(02:35:20):
were they supposed to take McMillan like that? That was
really the only other option, right if you if you
wanted to build from the outside in, then you could
have taken McMillan. But if you didn't want to, you know,
take McMillan, then you're kind of you know, who are
you going to take, Like you were going to take
Matthew Golden at four. Overall, he's still on the board
and we're at eighteen. So I just think that at

(02:35:41):
this point, you know, those were your two options. Maybe
if Tet was even in play at four, which I
don't think he truly was, But there was no Malik Neighbors,
there was no Marvin Harrison Junior in this group to
go out in there and say we're going to take
this guy at four. Right, So now you're in the
position that you're in. You're looking at thirty eight, maybe

(02:36:01):
coming up from thirty eight and trying to get the
receiver then. But like Deuce has been saying, I wouldn't
be surprised if they went edge with that pick. Like
they've talked really extensively about the trenches and the importance
of building at the line of scrimmage. So to come
up from thirty eight to draft a receiver, you know,
Deuce could be right, it could be a defensive lineman,

(02:36:21):
you know, to continue building up and fortifying the offensive
and defensive line. So it's just that's where they're at
right now.

Speaker 2 (02:36:28):
We had a first guard taken Gray's Abel second second, Oh,
second guard. Oh okay, Tyler Booker, Sorry, I love the Seahawks.

Speaker 6 (02:36:38):
Yeah, Grays Abel's he's going to be an absolute stud.
I don't know if he'll play center or guard. It'll
be either or I personally would play him at left guard.
I Joe Tunium I turned him right into it.

Speaker 2 (02:36:48):
I think they're going to have to place center.

Speaker 6 (02:36:50):
He's uh, he's a phenomenal, mocking great, great athlete, great
grade zone blocker, high level pass blocker. I mean some
of the things that he did at the Senior Bowl.

Speaker 2 (02:37:01):
What's up, Sean and Connecticut you're on.

Speaker 13 (02:37:05):
I was just thinking, as like a fun hypothetical, what
would Belichick do with this draft, because I think honestly
he though for a dual Carter and trade up kind
of because the Lawrence Taylor thing. But I was wondering,
way you guys were thinking.

Speaker 2 (02:37:20):
Who's available from Rutgers.

Speaker 7 (02:37:22):
I think he would have sold his soul to move
down out of the top ten.

Speaker 1 (02:37:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:37:27):
I don't know if he would.

Speaker 7 (02:37:28):
I don't know if he would have been able to
because I don't know if he would have found a partner,
But I think he would have been hell bent on
getting out of the top ten in this draft.

Speaker 5 (02:37:35):
Yeah, I agree. I mean, I can see some trades
that he would like with Campbell, But I agree with Paul.
I think it's probably too high and he'd be like
a lot of the teams right now that are selecting
that don't love these guys' first round picks, but they're
solid players. And see Bill just wanting to have like
fifteen picks in this draft and try to spread them
all out.

Speaker 7 (02:37:54):
But when you hear people say, you know, whatever the
number is, twenty to seventy is the same. Yeah, doesn't
that sound.

Speaker 2 (02:38:00):
Like that's up?

Speaker 7 (02:38:03):
Sure? Yeah, traking down down. But there's no difference between
a you know, a bowl full of fifty players and
I can get five or six of them sign me up.
That's built.

Speaker 2 (02:38:14):
Yeah, that's been his m O forever.

Speaker 6 (02:38:17):
So I think we should say just you know, getting
into nineteen now with Tampa Bay, we're starting to get
into the Shadoor Jackson Dart territory of the draft. And
you know, Pittsburgh's at twenty one. That that's the team
that everybody feels like they need to get ahead of
on if you want Shador Sanders or Jackson Dart really

(02:38:37):
both these teams coming up, Tampa Bay and Denver both
don't need quarterbacks, so I'd be interested to see Tampa.
I brought it up because the clock is going all
the way down. They just finally got to pick in.
But my guess is that they've been on the phone
trying to the trade out of this pick.

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Yep, let's go to Ted and Cumberland, Maine.

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Speaker 5 (02:40:24):
Yeah, the Bucks took a Mecca like Buka.

Speaker 6 (02:40:26):
So likeg Buka, the second receiver off the board, you know,
non Travis Hunter category. So Matthew Golden is still on
the board and he was not the second receiver taken.
There are conversations that he was going to be the
first receiver taken and now he's gonna be at the
most the third receiver taken. So we haven't heard anything
about Matthew Golden in terms of like injury or anything

(02:40:46):
like that. But we're getting to the territory now or
you start to wonder if there's something underneath the surface
that didn't come out pre draft with Golden. I mean
he doesn't play it at forty times, but I still
think that I would have taken him over at Buka.

Speaker 7 (02:41:00):
Like both of those guys. A wide receiver that you
know Golden and Burden. I would take either one of them.
I don't know if I would trade up for him
for either one of them, but I but I guess
if if you get close enough, you know, like Fred said,
you know, like with thirty I have to think about it, right.

Speaker 6 (02:41:19):
Like, if you're not giving up a significant amount to
make it happen, I really want the guy. Yeah, maybe
it's one of six. You know, you're giving up thirty
eight and one of six.

Speaker 5 (02:41:27):
I'm just I'm interested with the Bucks though, I mean
they you know, have long time had of course, you know,
Chris Godwin and Mike Evans. Last year you had the
other kid from Washington.

Speaker 7 (02:41:37):
J and had had a really good second half of
the season, and.

Speaker 5 (02:41:40):
Now you got another. You know, this is a little
bit of a pick in William's territory of just continuing
to hammer the wide receiver position.

Speaker 7 (02:41:46):
I don't know how they found about the resident god
went a little bit, you know, getting a little bit
longer to stay ahead of it. Yeah, trying to stay
ahead of it. But I don't know, Like I don't
know enough about Tampa to know how much their defensive needs.
But you know, no corner, you know, the Texas kids
still there there? Yeah, thank you Mike and Will Johnson.

(02:42:08):
I don't know again, I don't know enough about the
depth chart for the Bucks to know what their specific
needs are on defense. But it does seem like an
extra pick.

Speaker 1 (02:42:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (02:42:18):
Will Campbell on the stage, Well.

Speaker 5 (02:42:21):
Of course, let's go aspiringly good clip of Will Campbell
on stage.

Speaker 33 (02:42:28):
Will you are, mister Louisiana, But you just got a
love letter from the New England Patriots. You haven't stopped
smiling since you heard your name.

Speaker 17 (02:42:35):
What's behind that smile?

Speaker 38 (02:42:37):
Man?

Speaker 22 (02:42:37):
Just all the hard work.

Speaker 4 (02:42:44):
Congratulations.

Speaker 23 (02:42:58):
I worked in the entire life.

Speaker 5 (02:43:00):
Be up here.

Speaker 34 (02:43:01):
It's able to get my name called bo franchise like
it means everything too.

Speaker 22 (02:43:07):
We can feel that, we absolutely can feel that. Well,
you are brought to New.

Speaker 3 (02:43:11):
England to protect Drake May.

Speaker 33 (02:43:13):
What kind of tone are you going to sit on
this offensive line?

Speaker 7 (02:43:16):
I'm a fight and uh to protect them with everything
like that, I will fight and die.

Speaker 2 (02:43:26):
I love that he's one of the original minute men.

Speaker 7 (02:43:30):
He's ready to go, much like I said when Jamal
Adams had a similar kind of comment, Well they don't
think there's a need for that, just saying.

Speaker 2 (02:43:37):
But he is ready to go.

Speaker 7 (02:43:39):
But all right, but the emotion was real though.

Speaker 6 (02:43:43):
It's authentic. I was just about to say that, like
I know, some people probably think, all right, it's like
calm down. But that's him, like dad, that's authentically him.

Speaker 7 (02:43:51):
Everything you hear about make fun of him.

Speaker 6 (02:43:54):
That that was real, That is authentic. He is that
kind of guy.

Speaker 2 (02:43:58):
I remember back in the day when ourselves was here
and early, you know, when he got here in ninety
five ninety four. That's what he was telling his offensive
lineman about Bledsoe. I don't care what you have to do.
You need to keep him clean. He would hammer that home,
you know, to those guys. Yeah, oh yeah, but I do.

(02:44:20):
I remember in particular the way the way Parcels would
do it. It was almost like he was saying, well,
I don't care if you have to die, he better
be standing up at the end of the play, you know.
But the way he said it, I will fight and die.
I mean, let's go, let's go, come on. I mean

(02:44:42):
every corny line, oh, I love it. I'm a sucker
for it.

Speaker 5 (02:44:46):
So you know how it is like I mean, Ivan
speak this too, Like you go through this whole process
and you try not to get too attached to certain
guys because you know, you like you guys, you don't
I might end up on the Jets, but then you
meet this guy and now you can all right, now
I can him and he gives you back this stuff
and you know, this is stuff I love about the
draft Dough. It's just regardless, these people, these kids living
their dreams, all this that they've worked so hard for

(02:45:07):
and now they get to achieve it in front of everybody.

Speaker 2 (02:45:09):
And it's just that type of attitude is becoming more
and more rare in sports. Forget about just football, you know,
but the Nils and it's all about me, me the
most mind guy, Like I'm willing to give my life
from my quarterback and I know it's it's you know,
not real perpectly.

Speaker 5 (02:45:25):
We need to like cut into Drake Mami, like you
know Drake too much, just just.

Speaker 2 (02:45:29):
Just saying that the way he said it, that let's go,
let's go.

Speaker 6 (02:45:34):
It's a good point about like the whole process. And yeah,
the first time I posted on my Twitter about Will
Campbell was on November twenty six.

Speaker 7 (02:45:42):
Yeah, and you know him on the back we go
too far away, Thanks for doing God's work.

Speaker 2 (02:45:48):
We go through it.

Speaker 6 (02:45:49):
We go through this whole process though, and then like
that you poke all these holes and all these guys
and all the But my thoughts on November twenty six
were stud. Like the first time I watched the tape,
I was like, this guy's a stud. And then we
know we've poke holes the arm length and this and
that and the other thing. And sometimes it's just best
to like go back to your initial gut instinct after
you watched him the first time and look at it

(02:46:10):
that way. And that's what I was getting at, was
not you know that, oh I had him first, like
you know, but yeah, he you know, you go back
to those types of things and you're like, all right, no,
this was this is what I thought when you know,
just without knowing if his arms were thirty three inches
or thirty two and five.

Speaker 2 (02:46:27):
A's well that's kind of like like we've been kind
of going around circle saying it but in different ways.
But like the tape says this, this is what you
saw on tape, and then you start punching all these
holes and you're like, okay, despite all that, the tape
says this, yeah, you know.

Speaker 7 (02:46:43):
But and I'm going by Evan here yeah, because I
call Evan the ball nowhere in the same situation.

Speaker 6 (02:46:50):
Now you're now you're making up for making fun of me.

Speaker 7 (02:46:52):
No, no, no no. The tape says the arms are
an issue. He gets beat because of the arm length
at times on those inside.

Speaker 2 (02:47:00):
When he has issues, it's because but right, do.

Speaker 7 (02:47:02):
You think that that might be more or less often
in the pros.

Speaker 2 (02:47:05):
I think it's it's gonna be a little bit more
because he's gonna, you know, go up against guys who
are bigger and.

Speaker 7 (02:47:11):
Longer, more athletic.

Speaker 2 (02:47:14):
Right, But he's gonna get better too, you know, and
he's gonna get good coaching. And I hope, you know,
because that's that's part of it. We've talked about. And
he's got to get good coaching. He's gotta be he's
got to be good. Yeah, he's got to be.

Speaker 7 (02:47:26):
Yeah, he was taken with the fourth pick. He's it's
it's on him. He's got to be a good player.

Speaker 6 (02:47:30):
I just I do wonder, you know, with the overseets
and the things like that, Like it'll be great to
talk to Doug Moron about this now that he's actually
a patriot. I think, you know, when he's not, you
kind of can't really talk as in depth about it
when he's on your team yet, but you know, there
has to be ways technique wise to help him not

(02:47:52):
drift in his past sets and open up the inside. Like,
there has to be ways to help him.

Speaker 13 (02:47:57):
You know.

Speaker 6 (02:47:57):
Maybe it's helping him, like I was saying earlier, with
chips and stuff like that, so he's not feeling the
speed as much.

Speaker 2 (02:48:02):
And I'm not I'm not the tape grinder that you are, Evan,
But in the little that I watched of him, I
noticed that he's very quick in his backstep, and that
gives him time to not allow the longer armed guys
to get into his chest so quick. He gives him
time to kind of set that base and he's got
the quick feed. I noticed that right away. He's got
very quick feet to form that foundation so that he

(02:48:25):
can absorb whatever's coming, you know, whether it's outside or inside,
and and give himself time to get ready for that
initial hit by maybe a longer player. So I think
he over time, he's learned that and you know, hopefully
he's gonna get even better at that. But yes, he
has to compensate a little bit. He doesn't have Tyron
Smith with that initial hit, which I you know, I

(02:48:48):
would love watching him because he would just stone the
guy once he got his hands in there, he would
stone the defensive player. That's not Will Campbell. He's gonna
win a different way. He's gonna win a different way.

Speaker 6 (02:48:58):
He's got really strong hands once he gets his hands in.

Speaker 2 (02:49:03):
Like like hands yeah, likeney honey, like huge.

Speaker 7 (02:49:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:49:07):
He's got great grip straight So once he gets his
hands on you, he can control blocks and really hold guys.
That's that's not the biggest issue. You know, I want
to keep laboring the point. But you know, all that
you see on him on film where he loses reps
the most consistently is that the speed guys will come
off the edge on him and so he doesn't have
the reach to get out there. So he has to

(02:49:29):
overseet to get out there. And when they anticipate that
he's going to overseet, they'll hit him with an inside move, right,
they'll spin or they're whip inside or whatever the case
may be. And there's just a gap there. You know,
there's a there's a bigger area there to to get
through to the quarterback. So he sees a lot of
that of his on tape, and the question is can

(02:49:50):
they coach it out of him? Is there a way
to coach it out of him right? Or can he
coach around it right? You know, like those are the
two things you know that you can look at it.
But I think in general we're talking about two to
three plays a game. But unfortunately, for an offensive lineman,
that can be a strip sack that changes the entire game, right,

(02:50:10):
And that's just the way of the world for offensive line.

Speaker 2 (02:50:13):
And Rabel said it. You know, if you're going to
drop back forty times in the game, everybody's gonna get
beat a few times. You know, that's just the way
of the NFL. But okay, David, and Texas is on
the line.

Speaker 7 (02:50:26):
What's up, David?

Speaker 2 (02:50:29):
Ah?

Speaker 15 (02:50:29):
Yes, not to bring it back from what Evan was
talking about earlier, but he was talking about bringing or
building from the outside in on the receivers. My question is,
would you have traded what Jacksonville did to trade up
to get Jacksonville or I'm sorry Travis Hunter and I'll.

Speaker 22 (02:50:50):
Take it off there.

Speaker 7 (02:50:51):
Okay, thanks David.

Speaker 6 (02:50:52):
No, I would not have done that.

Speaker 7 (02:50:54):
I would not have either.

Speaker 6 (02:50:55):
I think the Patriots have too many needs.

Speaker 2 (02:50:57):
Well, you wouldn't have had to give up as much
as jackson I mean as yeah, as much as Jacksonville did, right, what.

Speaker 7 (02:51:03):
Was different for one spot would have been pretty similar?

Speaker 2 (02:51:07):
Yeah, similar, But they gave a haul. If you think
that they'd have to give up the same, yeah, I
wouldn't have done it either, but maybe a little less.

Speaker 6 (02:51:17):
Maybe some of those Day two and Day three picks
would have been a little less. But you're giving up
the twenty twenty six first.

Speaker 7 (02:51:22):
I hate doing that. The second, Yeah, the picks. What
might have been different, Yeah, but I don't think you
can two to four to two is going to be
a similar haul.

Speaker 6 (02:51:31):
And I think if it was a situation where you
know they you're it was a quarterback draft and you're
making that trade for a quarterback, that's a different thing.
This isn't a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (02:51:41):
I wonder, I wonder if there was competition there that
forced Jacksonville to give up even more.

Speaker 6 (02:51:48):
It's possible. I mean, I don't know. I everybody keeps
on disagreeing with me on this one, so I guess
I'll just be in the minority. Like I just still
don't understand what what the Browns are trying to accomplish,
Like I I'm just a little lost on Cleveland, and
then to take Mason Graham there at five, it's just
I question.

Speaker 7 (02:52:05):
Yeah, I don't love the pick.

Speaker 6 (02:52:06):
Like, and everybody's saying, oh, they had to make this trade.
Well not really, like they didn't have to make the trade. Like,
so you go into twenty twenty six, Jacksonville probably feels
pretty good about their team. You know, if Jacksonville's a
wild card team again like they were a couple of
years ago, Like that picks in the twenties now, like's
not that's not you know, the asset that you necessarily
think you're getting.

Speaker 7 (02:52:26):
But they'll have an extra first round pick to move
up if they need to.

Speaker 6 (02:52:29):
Well, they're gonna be picking number one overall with the
team that they have, like Cleveland.

Speaker 7 (02:52:34):
Cleveland's not bad. Cleveland doesn't have a quarterback just like
everybody else. But they're not a terrible team.

Speaker 6 (02:52:39):
They're just picking two overall.

Speaker 7 (02:52:40):
I mean, removed from being a playoff team with no quarterback. Yeah,
I mean that's not a terrible team.

Speaker 2 (02:52:46):
I think they were competitively competitive defensively, but yeah, their offense,
they don't have.

Speaker 7 (02:52:52):
Have a quarterback. Yeah, and if ken Ticket plays like crap,
they'll be a top ten team again. Yeah, and they'll
be able to see a radically to be in line
to get a quarterback in the next draft with two
first round picks to move where they need to get.

Speaker 5 (02:53:06):
Wait till next year.

Speaker 7 (02:53:06):
Now, if they win too many games and they get
into mediocre purgatory, which is where I think they're probably
gonna end up, like in that seven win area, which
isn't going to get you high enough.

Speaker 5 (02:53:17):
But still, like to Evan's point, I can't name one
guy on their offense right.

Speaker 7 (02:53:20):
Now, Like who who Harry Judy?

Speaker 5 (02:53:22):
I mean Nick Chubb, you know, Bick Chubb.

Speaker 7 (02:53:23):
No, Nick Chubb.

Speaker 6 (02:53:24):
No, he's a free agent.

Speaker 5 (02:53:25):
Yeah, he's a free agent. But I mean if Jerry Chubb,
if they want him, yeah, I mean, if they want him,
but just here strong he's probably you know, to me,
to Evan's point, that's the move for the Browns to
redefine your offense. Nobody's talking about Yeah, No one's talking
about de Shaun Watson anymore. You bring in Travis Hunter,
now you know you have a new energy about your
offense a little bit.

Speaker 7 (02:53:45):
I think that that move could be I just don't want.
I mean, I think it's off the board. Pard maybe
he's maybe he's much better than I'm giving him credit
for and he's just going to be a disruptive, you know,
interior defensive lineman. You know you've got Miles Garret the
outside and all of a sud and you got a
really really good defense look at us.

Speaker 5 (02:54:04):
So the offense probably they didn't know.

Speaker 6 (02:54:08):
They took Derek Harmon, the defensive tackle from Oregon, So I.

Speaker 5 (02:54:11):
Saw somewhere at comp that's like this guy was made
to be a Steeler.

Speaker 6 (02:54:13):
Yeah, no quarterback to their feelings would look I think
the biggest thing with the Browns. If they had made
that trade and they had taken genty at five, then
I would have said smart trade.

Speaker 7 (02:54:27):
I would have liked it a lot better that way.
But if they if they stayed pat and they took
Travis Hunter and you think that they're in the line
for the first overall pick, where does Travis Hunter put them? Well?

Speaker 6 (02:54:38):
I think I think the difference is, though, is what
Deuce is saying, right, Like, it's just you can't get
excited if you're a Browns fan for Mason Graham, you
can't and like you can you can sell them on
the right. But there's just a different juice, Like there's
just a different energy to the offense into the room.
Like if you have Travis Hunter and then you're able

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to get one of these quarterbacks, it's going to go
in the early second round of Shadora, Jackson Dart something
like that, like that that you can sell, like that
that you can cook with.

Speaker 7 (02:55:07):
I mean, were we ten picks away.

Speaker 6 (02:55:08):
Yeah, so now they're going to get the door and
then Mason Graham like, you know, it's just not the
hal that I would have expected.

Speaker 7 (02:55:14):
But if they can, if they can get a developmental quarterback,
maybe you feel a little bit better about it. And
you have that pick, you know, that extra pick for
next year, and you have two second round that.

Speaker 6 (02:55:24):
Regime Andrew Berry and Stefanski, they better hope that Travis
Hunter is is not what everybody thinks he's going to be.
You know, like if he goes to Jacksonville and he's
as good as he was in college, like they're they're
going to be in trouble.

Speaker 2 (02:55:37):
All right, let's go to uh George, Rhode Island. What's up, George?

Speaker 40 (02:55:43):
Hey, guys join the conference. Patriots, Fancy is a ticket
oldest eighty three And for me, we're in year two
of what I hope is a multi year, multiple player,
three to five year window of successful draft picks. I mean,
in my lifetime, we had fair Banks drafts from seventy

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three to seventy eight, parcels from ninety three to ninety six,
and then Bellichick. I guess what would you say two
thousand and to five, maybe twenty ten to fifteen. But
this is like year two where we've got to stack
multiple players coming out of multiple drafts to have the
sustained success that I think Rabel is looking for.

Speaker 2 (02:56:26):
Right, Oh, sure, you got to build through the draft, Ye,
you have to have.

Speaker 7 (02:56:29):
You better hope this is year one of that. Because
last year was considered a good one.

Speaker 6 (02:56:36):
You have to continue it.

Speaker 7 (02:56:37):
But that'd be a lot better than that, right, I Mean,
I've pushed back on the notion.

Speaker 41 (02:56:40):
That they're like three years away, Like if this draft
is this, if George is on board here and they
get you know, two, three, maybe even four players this
year that are good, Yeah, absolutely can be accelerated.

Speaker 2 (02:56:53):
It could be the edge of the playoffs.

Speaker 6 (02:56:54):
They should be you have him in the playoffs, they
should be competitive this year. Like I'm not saying they're
gonna win.

Speaker 7 (02:56:59):
A Super but it's a terrible, terrible schedule they're going
to play. And I know Fred hates when I do that,
but they are playing a terrible schedule, terrible.

Speaker 2 (02:57:07):
In that it's tough.

Speaker 7 (02:57:09):
No, no, and it's easy.

Speaker 2 (02:57:11):
Oh you think it's easy.

Speaker 7 (02:57:12):
Okay. They have a lot of teams that are at
their level. Okay, So let's go from a personnel standpoint,
and I think their coaching is going to be better
with Mike greebel.

Speaker 6 (02:57:20):
Right, the better coaching, the free agency hall that they had.
You know, if they have a good draft, like everybody
keeps telling me that it's a three to five year rebuild,
If this takes three years, then this regime is going
to be blown out. Like they're not going to have
three years. It's not the NFL anymore. Like these teams
turn it over quickly.

Speaker 2 (02:57:37):
You have to be competing really quick.

Speaker 7 (02:57:39):
I would just say that if this is all contingent
on on Drake may making a progression, yes, and if
he does, then you should absolutely be competitive this year.
Seven eight wins, six six seven wins. I don't think
that's out of the question.

Speaker 2 (02:57:54):
It better not be Robins than Fort Lauderdale.

Speaker 7 (02:57:58):
What's that, Robin, Hey.

Speaker 18 (02:58:00):
Guys, can you hear me?

Speaker 10 (02:58:02):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (02:58:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (02:58:03):
Yeah, like the win.

Speaker 16 (02:58:06):
Before I knew.

Speaker 32 (02:58:08):
Paul big fan here back in the day, there was
a rant you did about you and your son going
to ducking donut. If you can put that that on
the website, then I'm sure. I don't speak for myself
that that would be really cool. That just cracked me
up for years.

Speaker 7 (02:58:24):
I appreciate it getting getting to my point, and this
is the point I want to make real quick because
I know you have other calls.

Speaker 17 (02:58:32):
And I love the pick we needed Will Campbell. I
really think here's been the problem full time with everybody. Rabel,
Bill Edelman, Grunk. They all think that, and yet they
were great contributors to our success. But it was Brady.

(02:58:53):
We don't have Brady anymore, Bill, Mike Roberts, everybody need Yeah, okay,
enough with getting the good guys, the guys that that
are good, coachable. We need playmakers. We need game changers.
Look who won the Super Bowl last year, Philly, And.

Speaker 18 (02:59:13):
It's a young man's game.

Speaker 6 (02:59:15):
We need talent.

Speaker 17 (02:59:17):
Talf's out here no more and worked with Tom.

Speaker 6 (02:59:19):
He could he could turn Who's disagreeing with that to
chicken bleek?

Speaker 28 (02:59:23):
Who he need talent?

Speaker 6 (02:59:25):
Who's saying any differently than that?

Speaker 7 (02:59:26):
Why?

Speaker 6 (02:59:27):
Okay saying any different?

Speaker 28 (02:59:29):
Why?

Speaker 17 (02:59:30):
And why this aversion to to to drafting playmaking game?

Speaker 2 (02:59:36):
Who should they have taken it for?

Speaker 9 (02:59:38):
Me?

Speaker 7 (02:59:38):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (02:59:39):
Who should have they have taken.

Speaker 17 (02:59:40):
It for I'm not talking about for I'm glad you
got before you built the house.

Speaker 16 (02:59:44):
He needs the foundation. I'm talking about.

Speaker 17 (02:59:46):
When was the last time.

Speaker 16 (02:59:48):
Gentleman, all of you media.

Speaker 17 (02:59:50):
Anyone who's listening, when was the last time New England
and Bill, I'm talking to you, especially a quiet or
drafted game breaking talent. And the reason you didn't is
because when Tom was head, you didn't have to flash
for everyone in patriotsation.

Speaker 42 (03:00:10):
Tom is not here.

Speaker 17 (03:00:12):
We need draft James.

Speaker 7 (03:00:15):
Robin, I have another news flash, Bill Belichick isn't here
anymore either.

Speaker 2 (03:00:22):
Do you think Drake May has the potential to be
that guy?

Speaker 1 (03:00:26):
Right?

Speaker 2 (03:00:26):
Robin? Do you think?

Speaker 7 (03:00:28):
Okay? Do you do you think that they've tried not
to draft like do you think that their their goal
was to like have an aversion to playmakers?

Speaker 18 (03:00:37):
Like?

Speaker 7 (03:00:37):
Do you think when they drafted Nikhil Harry in the
first round. They said, we're going to draft him because
he's not a playmaker.

Speaker 2 (03:00:43):
No, listen, Robin, you're right, they need more talent, But
do you think Drake may can be one of those people?

Speaker 28 (03:00:50):
I love Drake.

Speaker 17 (03:00:51):
I'm not talking about d Okay drafted Drake May.

Speaker 7 (03:00:55):
I agree with that, but like the whole like they
haven't drafted a playmaker. I agreed, they've made bad picks,
but you're making it out to be that they're trying
to make bad picks, like they don't want playmakers because
they had Brady all those years.

Speaker 17 (03:01:09):
I'm saying, gentlemen, that they think that Tom is still
here and we'll just draft some good guy that we
can just coast and then.

Speaker 7 (03:01:18):
What what are you basing that on?

Speaker 17 (03:01:19):
But work with Tom?

Speaker 18 (03:01:20):
He's not here anymore.

Speaker 7 (03:01:22):
But what are you basing that on?

Speaker 1 (03:01:23):
That?

Speaker 7 (03:01:23):
That's their mentality. They're trying not to draft playmakers because
they still think Tom is I think, why are you
basing your what are you basing your opinion on that?

Speaker 17 (03:01:30):
Paul, I'm gonna ask you my question, why was the
last game breaking, young explosive game breaker in the last
fifteen years that this organization is drafted well?

Speaker 2 (03:01:42):
They they made bad picks.

Speaker 7 (03:01:44):
Tom, They've made bad picks, but they've tried, Like, you
don't think that they thought they were drafting a guy
like that with Taekwon Thornton. You don't think that was
the idea. This is like the fastest guy in the draft.
He's a game breaker. They've just.

Speaker 2 (03:01:59):
I'm sorry, Oh, I'm always gonna think I did call back,
call back guys.

Speaker 7 (03:02:03):
Those are my kind of argue, called back guys.

Speaker 6 (03:02:06):
I just don't know who he's yelling at, Like, I like,
are any of us saying you're sitting here saying they
need better players? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (03:02:13):
I don't know, Like that's why.

Speaker 2 (03:02:15):
And I think they agree with that too.

Speaker 7 (03:02:16):
By the way, are we like, when was the last
time they drafted a game breaking player? I don't know.
But do you don't think that they've tried to do that.
Do you think that they drafted Taekwon Thornton with the
idea that we don't need a good player because we
have Tom Brady.

Speaker 2 (03:02:30):
The problem with his argument is he went back to
Tom Brady, and during the Brady years, you couldn't make
the case that they didn't have to They didn't feel
like they had to spend the money on these top
guys because we had Brady, and Brady by the way,
caught onto that or you know, that's the narrative that
Brady was getting a little impatient with that as well.
But since Brady, I think they realized that we can't

(03:02:53):
depend on our quarterback anymore. You know, we've got to
surround whoever it is with talent. I think they they
they're missing.

Speaker 7 (03:03:01):
They've missed too often. I don't think it's a mentality.
I think it's a misavaluable.

Speaker 13 (03:03:05):
Now.

Speaker 6 (03:03:06):
The one thing that I would say for the caller
who I don't know who he's yelling at, because we
all want them to draft game breakers and playmakers and
all those types of things. But I think what he
was trying to say was like Jalen Polk, Jalen Polk
was considered they missed, but he wasn't considered.

Speaker 7 (03:03:22):
A game breaker. But he wasn't a game breaker.

Speaker 6 (03:03:24):
He was considered a high floor player that was going
to be a nice plug and play number killer receiver.
Argument right, Like, That's what I think he's trying to
say is that they need to take on some risk
on somebody that has that game breaking upside now to
Paul's point, they did with Taekwon and it failed miserably,
So right.

Speaker 7 (03:03:42):
The argument that he should have come back with is
why not take a shot on Pickens or even Alec
Pierce or who is a game breaking kind of player?
Now he's not a volume guy like Pickens is much
more productive than Alec Pierce, but Alec Pierce is a
home run hitter.

Speaker 2 (03:03:56):
Or do what you had to do to get Lad McConkie,
Well that.

Speaker 7 (03:03:58):
Was last year. You have to do anything that you
had to do. All you had to do was pick right, right, right?

Speaker 6 (03:04:02):
But I think that you know the caller's point. The
guy in this draft is to make it about this
draft and not ten years ago with Tom Brady.

Speaker 7 (03:04:09):
But I would even make an argument that Lat McConkie
is not what he's He's not a game breaker, but
he would have been a much better pick than Jalen pol.

Speaker 6 (03:04:16):
The pick that he wants them to make is Luther Burden, right,
like who is well, Matthew, But I think Burden is
a true game breaker. But you're taking on a little
bit of risk that he's not. He's not Will Campbell, like,
he's not a football high football character type of player.
So you're taking on that risk. But to the caller's point,
like they want to take you know, he wants them

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to take risks like that on guys that have.

Speaker 7 (03:04:39):
That the passion as you know, you guys know why
you can hung up.

Speaker 5 (03:04:45):
I just liked mean to hang up.

Speaker 6 (03:04:47):
Yeah, I just would say, well, Mike, you know that
better than anybody.

Speaker 7 (03:04:50):
Like we have a news flash to Bill in everybody
that Tom Brady's not hit him. Like Bill's coach in
North Carolina. He's not here either.

Speaker 6 (03:04:59):
Speaking of North Carolina, Marion Hampton just went to the
Chargers at twenty two, which that's an interesting pick for them,
very Jim harbup. Oh yeah, So we have Jehade Baron
to Texas from Texas to Denver, the Broncos at twenty,
Derek Harmon Pittsburgh from Oregon, and now a Marion Hampton

(03:05:20):
at twenty two to the Los Angeles Chargers. Still no shador.
The Giants, I guess, are purportedly trying to trade back
in though still into the first round to take a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (03:05:30):
All right, Tim and California, you got big shoes to
fill after that last call. What's up, Tim? Yeah?

Speaker 28 (03:05:37):
With the guy for Port Lauderdale related to the person
that Alex interviewed, Aah.

Speaker 2 (03:05:42):
I think actually it was more coherent, but that's okay.

Speaker 28 (03:05:47):
Anyway, Well, hey, thank you all for what you've been doing.
Really enjoyed everything leading up to the draft. I think
Will Campbell's great each fan. My question is should we
trade back in to try to pick up Matthew Golden
out of Texas?

Speaker 2 (03:06:03):
Is that worth it or Well, we're at twenty three now.
I think it's a little early, but like we were
talking about, if he's around thirty, I'm tempted.

Speaker 6 (03:06:11):
Yeah, we're getting too that fringe now that if you
were willing to throw seventy seven into the trade, the
Matthew Judam pick they have in the third round, which
is number seventy seven, you could probably start to get
up to this point of the draft with that pick.
This is about that range. Would they feel that Matthew
Golden is worth it is a totally separate conversation, but

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if they wanted to start to think about trading back in,
we're getting there. We're getting into that range where they
could consider that. I think the thing with Golden to
me is, you know, he didn't really play to a
four to two nine on tape. If you asked me,
he's much more of like a technician of a route
runner in great ball skills. Kind of reminds me a
little bit of Stefan Diggs honestly, but just not necessarily

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the guy that like, you're not drafting a field stretcher,
like you're not drafting a true four two nine type
of player. But he's a very talented receiver and I
would definitely be into it if they did it.

Speaker 2 (03:07:07):
Thanks, Tim, appreciate the call. Let's go to Andrew in Portland, Maine.

Speaker 7 (03:07:13):
Hey, Andrew, you.

Speaker 13 (03:07:15):
Do you hear me?

Speaker 7 (03:07:16):
Yep?

Speaker 14 (03:07:18):
I thank my call.

Speaker 37 (03:07:19):
Uh you guys talking to Will Campbell tomorrow and I
Christian boy. Have you guys seen the video of him
going alligator hunting?

Speaker 2 (03:07:27):
Have we seen the video of deer hunting alligator? Alligator hunting? Okay,
have you seen it? I have not, no Rod.

Speaker 37 (03:07:37):
You gotta go on your phone as soon as you
can and watch this twenty minute video.

Speaker 43 (03:07:40):
You can go an alligator hunting.

Speaker 2 (03:07:42):
So give us a synopsis.

Speaker 7 (03:07:44):
What did you like to pretend that I've seen it?

Speaker 17 (03:07:47):
It's the lobster on it.

Speaker 37 (03:07:48):
Because there's like a boat and uh, they've got a
trap set off with these guys go up there and
they're making true and lasting the entire time. The entire
time I'm watching it, I'm scared to death of their lives.
The basically is pulling up alligators. Their mountains are bound.

Speaker 2 (03:08:07):
He's got a bad connection.

Speaker 7 (03:08:08):
That's why I'm just so sure.

Speaker 6 (03:08:09):
Yeah, he wrestled an alligator. It was it was fine.
I don't think you need to go run home and
watch it. It was like, it's cool. I hope he
never does it again.

Speaker 2 (03:08:20):
Like contract When I was a kid, we were on
our way to Disney World and we stopped in Saint
Augustine at the Alligator Farm. I mean there's like thousands
and there's a technique to wrestling these things so you.

Speaker 5 (03:08:34):
Don't get bid.

Speaker 2 (03:08:34):
Yeah, well, like and how to approach them and all that,
and the way their jaws work and everything like that.
So if you know what you're doing, obviously it's still dangerous.

Speaker 5 (03:08:43):
But it's not like stop off with the wife and
the kids and like, all right, we're gonna give you
a five minute lesson on geeta wrestling. All right, go ahead, hoping, yeah,
there you go.

Speaker 2 (03:08:52):
So anyway, Jr. It's in Florida. What's up, j R?

Speaker 7 (03:08:57):
Who shot you?

Speaker 16 (03:08:58):
And what's going on?

Speaker 18 (03:08:59):
Guy?

Speaker 7 (03:08:59):
Hey?

Speaker 18 (03:09:02):
Okay, So I'm gonna be the one to say that
I really didn't care for the Campbell pairs for the
simple fact that if if it is that he he
can't perform there because of his arms or whatever it is,
and they gotta they gotta slide him over to tackle guard,
that means that he's not performing well this year, and

(03:09:24):
that's not good for Drake May number one. Number two. Also,
when the guy that was just going crazy about the
star players or the game breaker players whatever he was saying,
I kind of got his point. And you guys have
brought up you know, you don't think that's what they
did with Taekwon Thornton. Tae Kwon Thornton at that point,
he was a reach, you know. I know he had

(03:09:45):
the fast forty time and all that, but he was
a reach. He wasn't he wasn't doing anything special at.

Speaker 7 (03:09:50):
Baylor right where he was a reach as a game breaker. Yep,
they reached for a playmaking player and it didn't work.

Speaker 18 (03:09:59):
Yeah, but Pickings went right after that and he's the better.

Speaker 7 (03:10:03):
Pick, right, Which is my point, Jar that they've misevaluated,
they haven't necessarily had a bad mentality. They're they're just
not picking the right guys.

Speaker 2 (03:10:12):
Yeah. So, I guess our point against Fort Lauderdale was,
it's not like they disagree with you, mister fort Latter,
they agreed they need these guys, they're just missing.

Speaker 7 (03:10:22):
I'm with h JR. Yeah, I'm with you JR. I
think that they do. They need these players badly.

Speaker 17 (03:10:28):
Their failure to evaluate talent, yeah, I agree, it's really
killed them at.

Speaker 18 (03:10:32):
Those at those stark positions, you know, the positions where
we needed them to hit Me. Personally, okay, I feel
like the Campbell pick is a gamble. Okay, Personally, I
think they should have took gend if they were going
to stick and pick it for I would have loved
for them to trade back. If they couldn't have traded back,
I think they should have stuck the pick and took

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Genc because he's going to be able to bail out.
He's going to be able to bail out May in
certain you know and so areas and take some sort
of load off him.

Speaker 7 (03:11:02):
I don't I don't hate it.

Speaker 18 (03:11:03):
A guy like Ersery or or or Connorley even if
you've got to move up a little bit, maybe if
Simmons is still sitting there, you still get you know,
one of those guys. I just I think it's too
much of a of a risk with Campbell, with the
state that this team is in that if he does
start getting burned at left packle, we're in big trouble

(03:11:23):
because bigs A loan doesn't move the needle.

Speaker 7 (03:11:26):
Yeah, I don't hate you, don't hate your theory. I
mean I like the Campbell pick, but you know that's
the mic. That's the mic to show theory. You know,
get the playmaker again, to go back to you know
j r. And was the Fort Lauder deal guy.

Speaker 6 (03:11:41):
Which is okay, we're calling him Brady's not here.

Speaker 7 (03:11:45):
That's a playmaker. Genty is a playmaker and he's a
game breaking type guy. And he would be.

Speaker 2 (03:11:52):
To hear from if you if they had picked Genty,
would he be like, Okay, So that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 6 (03:11:57):
It's a it's a The draft is always about like
coin flips of like you could have done this, but
you did that instead. That's the coin flip for this draft.
You could have taken Genty and traded back.

Speaker 7 (03:12:06):
Up we're twenty three and all of those tackles that,
like the secondary tackles are still available. So you probably
could trade seventy seven. Yeah, you know, you fit to
go from thirty eight to twenty five. You could probably
trade seventy seven.

Speaker 6 (03:12:23):
Maybe Matt get Helden just went to the Packers.

Speaker 7 (03:12:26):
Maybe you'd have to throw something else in, but you
could have gotten in a position to take Connorly or
Simmons h or you know. You know, and because I'm
going to guess those guys are going to come soon, yep.
You know Minnesota as a team that they had some
tackle issues last year. They had to bring in the
guy that everybody wanted to just Cam Robinson. So maybe

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they're going to be looking to do something there that
you know, with Deriso coming back off injury, go to
green Bay.

Speaker 5 (03:12:53):
Stacking guy, green Bay. I mean suddenly green.

Speaker 7 (03:12:56):
Bay taking receivers in the first round. My mind's blown.

Speaker 5 (03:12:59):
Yeah, it's his face, Christian Watson probably out most of
the yearnet right, but they continue each year. I mean,
I I just I respect the Packers with the way
that they continue to always try to stack these receivers
the tight ends. They you know, they don't they never rest.

Speaker 7 (03:13:16):
On that, and I wonder if they've maybe a little
bit leary of which one was the one that gave
him some problems with you know, he can't end up
coming back, but they had some issues with him. Maybe
they'll look to maybe they look to move.

Speaker 5 (03:13:28):
But it's like but it's like every year, it's like
Dobbs Jaden Reeve Christians, and they're always taking Day one,
Day two receivers.

Speaker 7 (03:13:35):
Watson. I think Mike is right. I think Watson's seasons
in Jeopardy.

Speaker 2 (03:13:40):
We've had some good calls. Let's see if we can
keep up. The had some really excellent Tim's in Seattle.

Speaker 7 (03:13:47):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (03:13:47):
Tim?

Speaker 5 (03:13:48):
It was a duncan.

Speaker 7 (03:13:50):
Yeah, being challenged.

Speaker 14 (03:13:52):
What's going on?

Speaker 36 (03:13:52):
Guys?

Speaker 17 (03:13:53):
Hey, I was thinking.

Speaker 44 (03:13:56):
Maybe trading up into getting a second second round pick
and picking up a defensive end, So maybe getting a
wide receiver at thirty eight or getting a high end
defensive end here in the second round.

Speaker 39 (03:14:12):
Okay, still seeing.

Speaker 14 (03:14:14):
Some guys on the board here that I'm interested in.
What do you guys think?

Speaker 7 (03:14:19):
Sure?

Speaker 5 (03:14:19):
I agree, I think those are the two positions the
most interest to me.

Speaker 7 (03:14:22):
If they they I know that's for you.

Speaker 5 (03:14:24):
Edgen receiver edgen receiver.

Speaker 2 (03:14:26):
I mean those are I knew.

Speaker 7 (03:14:28):
I knew one of my expositions would be edge.

Speaker 5 (03:14:29):
Yeah, I mean, and maybe maybe dark Horse a little
bit with the running backs kicker, I think those are
coming a little later. Kick, but those are the spots
in need that that's still interest me the most.

Speaker 2 (03:14:39):
So I agree. So it sounds like we're best player available.
Let's forget it, We're just going for a need right now,
Is that right?

Speaker 7 (03:14:45):
Well, I think that you're marrying the two.

Speaker 2 (03:14:48):
Yeah, it was a blend.

Speaker 7 (03:14:50):
That means. I mean, on Brugle's broward, Mike Green is ten.

Speaker 1 (03:14:54):
Now.

Speaker 7 (03:14:54):
I know there's some off field more I've never bet
I'm going to guess, but I'm gonna guess is legit
since he's ten on the Beast's list and we're in
the mid twenties. Yeah, and he hasn't gone yet, so
I'm going to guess that some of the teams, you know,
either have him off the board or I have some
serious red flag.

Speaker 6 (03:15:11):
Yeah, like the top two edges right now. You know,
James Peers from Tennessee is not quite the same category
of concerns as Mike Green, but has his own kind
of like character red flags, motivation stuff and things like that.

Speaker 7 (03:15:24):
Is Ezraka a guy that you'd like here, the envelope
guy Freddyman?

Speaker 6 (03:15:28):
Yeah, yeah, I would definitely love Azraku. You know, I
think that, you know, Scorton's still there, obviously, Princely is
still there from Ole miss I just.

Speaker 7 (03:15:40):
I think you can beat Matthew.

Speaker 6 (03:15:43):
I like that. I think you can be patient at
that position, like I wouldn't. I wouldn't jump at EDG Dresser.
I just think there's too much talent on the board
at that spot, so I'd be patient there. Like I
think you could take one at thirty eight, but I
don't think you need to trade up from thirty eight.
You know there'll be somebody there that can contribute, that'll

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Speaker 22 (03:20:13):
Let's well gamble.

Speaker 27 (03:20:14):
There's lighting people on their back, will all on garanou
one thing?

Speaker 14 (03:20:22):
Have you know?

Speaker 5 (03:20:23):
One left?

Speaker 2 (03:20:24):
Like to buy my phone?

Speaker 27 (03:20:27):
Football code?

Speaker 25 (03:20:28):
Man?

Speaker 2 (03:20:29):
It's do you how to pick them out? Are you
driving home today?

Speaker 40 (03:20:37):
No?

Speaker 2 (03:20:39):
Not alexy.

Speaker 5 (03:20:45):
To hurt someone.

Speaker 6 (03:20:47):
Here come the Giants.

Speaker 7 (03:20:49):
Okay, wow, all right, go yeah, Viking selection is in.

Speaker 2 (03:20:59):
Yep, Viking took Donovan Jackson guard Ohio State.

Speaker 6 (03:21:03):
It's a good pick a he's a good player. It's
a little high.

Speaker 2 (03:21:07):
But you say the Giants are trading up.

Speaker 6 (03:21:09):
The Giants are on the clock.

Speaker 2 (03:21:11):
Okay, so they're taking the Texans pick correct, And.

Speaker 7 (03:21:15):
I'll tell you Cassio learned that the the Belichick school.
He loves to trade.

Speaker 5 (03:21:22):
Yeah, yeah, just f y. Drake May putting out a
tweet with Will Campbell's reaction to being drafted when he
got teared up, saying love this guy already LFG. So
Drake put it out there that emotional moment for Will
Campbell too. So I think he moved all of us.
It's pretty cool. Maybe we can make him cry.

Speaker 14 (03:21:40):
Tom.

Speaker 2 (03:21:40):
I think, well, I think you know we have we
have we often have the call to the hall. I
think now we have the call to the.

Speaker 5 (03:21:46):
Draw, call to the draw.

Speaker 6 (03:21:48):
So the question is there the Giants trading up for
Jackson Dart or Sanders.

Speaker 5 (03:21:52):
That the Dart would That would be a severe blow
to Shard because there's.

Speaker 6 (03:21:56):
Certainly some buzz that they like Jackson Dart more than
should do.

Speaker 7 (03:22:00):
So I'm going to officially feel bad if this is
for Jackson Dart.

Speaker 2 (03:22:04):
You don't have feel bad for Dion.

Speaker 7 (03:22:07):
Not for Dion, don't worry about it.

Speaker 2 (03:22:10):
I'm surprised that Dion hasn't gone to social media by
now right.

Speaker 1 (03:22:16):
I know.

Speaker 6 (03:22:17):
So the trade, which I think is important if the
Patriots are going to try to get up here in
the first round, back into the first round. The Giants
sent thirty four, ninety nine and a twenty twenty six
third round pick to come up from thirty four to
twenty five, sonety nine and seventy.

Speaker 7 (03:22:37):
Seven was gonna well, they didn't have, They didn't have
seventy seven.

Speaker 6 (03:22:41):
Still could do it, Still could do it, okay.

Speaker 7 (03:22:45):
Because I thought seventy seven would get you to twenty five,
but clearly they they needed ninety nine and a third
round of next year. That's more than just seventy seven.

Speaker 6 (03:22:53):
Well, it's twenty two pick difference, right between seventy seven
and ninety nine.

Speaker 7 (03:22:57):
No, no, no, but they're going from thirty four to
twenty five. We would have going from thirty eight to
twenty five. Sure, I thought seventy seven would get that done. Yeah,
you probably would have had to throw a future third
rounder or something in there.

Speaker 6 (03:23:07):
Maybe one of six or one of the fifth higher
fifth round pick.

Speaker 46 (03:23:13):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (03:23:13):
Back to the phones we go, and it's Jonah.

Speaker 7 (03:23:17):
Buffalo trade chat is not always full proof.

Speaker 2 (03:23:19):
What's up, Jonah?

Speaker 28 (03:23:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (03:23:22):
Howother going?

Speaker 7 (03:23:23):
Guys?

Speaker 38 (03:23:23):
Okay, So I'm a big fan of Evan and I
really want Noel.

Speaker 7 (03:23:33):
Same really the second round Jalen Nolan? Is that what
you're saying?

Speaker 16 (03:23:38):
And Josh McDaniel's offense.

Speaker 6 (03:23:41):
Yeah, yeah, Sam, Yeah, and I think he's a great fit.

Speaker 7 (03:23:44):
I think that, you know, we're really not changing the offense.

Speaker 5 (03:23:47):
Well, no it guys.

Speaker 7 (03:23:49):
You guys are telling me.

Speaker 6 (03:23:50):
I don't think it's fair. I don't think it's fair
to call call He's not Julian Edelman or Wes Welker.

Speaker 7 (03:23:56):
He's more of a speed slot.

Speaker 6 (03:23:57):
Yeah, speed slot, Tyler Lockett.

Speaker 5 (03:24:00):
When you say power slot better, that's my power slots.

Speaker 7 (03:24:05):
But I agree with Evan. I watched a little of
him because you guys been talking about them so much,
and he does he gets downfields a little bit. I
you know, I dared to compare him to Mount Cook's.
Yeah there you go, Yeah, Kirk. Maybe Kirk is not
bad din Store.

Speaker 6 (03:24:20):
I don't know if he's going to play as much
on the outside as Brandon Cooks has in his career.
He's definitely more of like a zero slot receiver that's
going to move inside and move around the formation. But
he's got juice he can get open.

Speaker 2 (03:24:32):
You know.

Speaker 6 (03:24:32):
I think between him and Kyle Williams are kind of
my two Day two crushes right now. If you want
game breakers, as the callers have told us, it is
what they want, I think if you're not getting burdened,
then those two guys are kind of the next two
great game breakers on the board. And it's Jackson Dart
by the way to the Giants.

Speaker 5 (03:24:51):
Wow, I feel bad for him. You're gonna send him
some cookies or something?

Speaker 7 (03:24:56):
Do you not like? Do not ever? Do that.

Speaker 5 (03:24:58):
No, I kind of think it's funny when guys are
just like, wow.

Speaker 7 (03:25:01):
Ouch, it's not so sneaky anymore.

Speaker 6 (03:25:04):
It's kind of funny when guys slide.

Speaker 5 (03:25:06):
Yeah, the guys that is just like I mean, the
way he was at the podium where he's like you
told me that he's going to repeat itself.

Speaker 7 (03:25:12):
You know, it's kind of funny. It's kind of funny
when someone works their whole life to do one thing
and one moment comes and all their dreams get crushed
and they have to wait a little longer.

Speaker 2 (03:25:20):
But you notice, like early, I just kind of feel
bad wherever Sanders is, they had a camera they haven't
been going to. I wonder if they said get out.

Speaker 7 (03:25:31):
Well, he has his own party, he has.

Speaker 6 (03:25:33):
His own party. I'm sure he has jurisdiction over when
that came exactly turned on and when it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (03:25:38):
That's what That's what I must say. And is Jonah
still there?

Speaker 16 (03:25:43):
I'm still here?

Speaker 2 (03:25:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (03:25:45):
Okay, So we all like Jalen Noel no no, no,
no no no. I think I called him Noel and.

Speaker 5 (03:25:52):
I've called it months, but it's no the first Noel,
second one, there's there's she don't care Paul, worry about him.
He's finally get the fan cam there in can'ton.

Speaker 2 (03:26:02):
Taste Joel not Noel, and san Antonio writes.

Speaker 7 (03:26:06):
You know him anymore? You haven't down here, Joel.

Speaker 2 (03:26:10):
And san Antonio just a quick comment. I don't get
all the negative people calling tonight because we pick what
we needed. Perhaps this pick is a gamble, but you
know what also is a gamble trading down hoping that
some other guy you want is there. How's that worked out?
For the past few seasons, Campbell has been a left
tackle all throughout. He knows the position. Obviously, haven't even
seen him on the team, and y'all are already switching

(03:26:32):
him inside. Calm down, y'all are being hysterical and a
bit of a listener on listener crime the la guy, dude,
every time you try to explain to defend your comments,
you're just digging a deeper hole. Put down the shovel
and stop explaining or justifying your positions. We already don't
like you and love you at the same time. No,

(03:26:54):
he says, we like you in love, you.

Speaker 6 (03:26:57):
Don't even think of trading going on. The Falcons are
now on the clock at twenty six, So they made
a significant trade.

Speaker 5 (03:27:02):
Up here to get back on Sure, wow, who could
that be?

Speaker 6 (03:27:07):
For the Falcon's next pick is forty six, so this
is a pretty significant move here, forty six to twenty six,
twenty picks.

Speaker 5 (03:27:20):
Mike Green would could that be possible?

Speaker 6 (03:27:24):
Could be possible?

Speaker 2 (03:27:25):
Jeremiah says, I can't believe us winning against the Bills
cost us a haul of picks in such a weak class.
Sadly everyone was wrong about being stuck at number one
was a bad thing. However, can't complain about the past,
and I'm hyped for Will Campbell.

Speaker 6 (03:27:39):
Not everybody was wrong about that.

Speaker 7 (03:27:41):
Appreciate you moving on.

Speaker 5 (03:27:42):
I also giants, they did add little Jordan Humphrey, he
made he made the graphic as issues.

Speaker 7 (03:27:50):
I think they could have made a trade if they
had the number one pick, But like, I don't necessarily
know what. Like I liked the Cleveland trade, but I
don't necessarily think that that was like highway robbery or
anything you like, I don't know, I don't know people
would people have been clamoring to get up to get
cam Wood.

Speaker 5 (03:28:11):
That's what I was just thinking.

Speaker 7 (03:28:12):
Now, maybe like you know, you could tell us you
could have gotten up to get the Evan Lazar Travis
Hunter package. Yeah, but I don't know.

Speaker 6 (03:28:20):
I don't know if clamoring is the right word. But
I still think you would have gotten something for the pick.

Speaker 7 (03:28:26):
You absolutely would have gotten something.

Speaker 6 (03:28:28):
I don't think you're going to get an RG three
level you know packages, or the Bryce Young package or
anything that crazy, but I think you still would have
gotten a sizeable package to move off the pick.

Speaker 7 (03:28:41):
I agree. So if you're Joe Shane and Brian Dable,
like this is probably the best of both worlds. You
were able to take the player who can help you immediately.
You got two veterans in that, you know, holding down
the fort. You have to hope that they play decent
enough that you can win a couple of games to

(03:29:01):
stick around. And you have a developmental guy who's not
probably going to be asked to play right away, but
you have that, you know, to start. Hey, mister Marra,
this is our guy. We just he's not quite ready yet.

Speaker 5 (03:29:14):
Table getting them.

Speaker 7 (03:29:15):
There is that any chance that they saved their jobs?

Speaker 5 (03:29:18):
Well maybe a little. I mean, I look how you
laid it out, like how you laid it out. I just, uh,
I don't know, I get I get. I get a
vibe from Jackson Darth. It's just I don't know, he
seems a little hair Zach Wilson to me.

Speaker 7 (03:29:28):
I don't know. There's a lot going on there those
whole miss guys.

Speaker 6 (03:29:32):
But but this is my whole point to keep going
back to trashing the Browns. But like that that this
is my whole point with the whole thing about the Browns.

Speaker 2 (03:29:39):
So how is the Giants war room situation? Looks like
they're at the counter of a McDonald's waiting to water, Like,
what are they doing?

Speaker 5 (03:29:48):
Look like that, guys, the friar laders broken. It's just
gonna be a few minutes ago.

Speaker 7 (03:29:53):
That you forget about the Sunday that ain't working.

Speaker 6 (03:29:55):
I was gonna say the ice cream machine is the
one that's broken.

Speaker 5 (03:30:00):
No mcflurry.

Speaker 7 (03:30:01):
Now there's a quarterback room.

Speaker 6 (03:30:03):
Wow, looks good.

Speaker 2 (03:30:05):
That is that is quite quite the room? Oh my god,
I doubt to Tommy Dona and that's.

Speaker 6 (03:30:10):
The that's the I'd rather be the Giants and the Browns.

Speaker 7 (03:30:13):
Tommy Colors, Okay, Jamis James, everybody, And we've officially reached
that time of the night.

Speaker 2 (03:30:22):
Hey, Jason and Chiba writing and just check it in
from Japan. Thanks as always for the great draft coverage.
Great to be able to listen live. I tried to call,
but my phone plan for whatever reason, wouldn't connect me.
As always, less of me, more of you, Jason and Chiba,
well and Kanagawa today.

Speaker 7 (03:30:37):
Good to hear from you, Jason. We haven't heard one
of the Chiba one of the originals.

Speaker 5 (03:30:42):
Yeah, yeah, I love when they pop up up to
you guys, but it seems like guys disappear and then
all of a sudden you're like, oh, yeah, we haven't
heard from that guy in a few years.

Speaker 6 (03:30:48):
And the Falcons made a huge trade, so they traded
their twenty twenty six first round pick to move up
twenty spots with the Rams. So it's the Falcons getting
the twenty sixth pick in a third round pick this
year and the Rams getting forty six at twenty twenty
sixth first and the seventh round this year. So they

(03:31:09):
gave up a future first round pick.

Speaker 2 (03:31:10):
For who we do not know you.

Speaker 6 (03:31:13):
So it's not the Rams, right, No, they have Pennix.

Speaker 5 (03:31:16):
Rams sucking draft picks.

Speaker 2 (03:31:18):
Wonder who they would have could be that value.

Speaker 6 (03:31:22):
I don't know. The Falcons took James Pierce, the edge
rusher from Tennessee who a lot of people coming into
this draft process thought that he was the best edge
rusher in the class. Now he had a down year
and he's also kind of a head case. So we're
here at twenty six. But he's a Barth guy.

Speaker 5 (03:31:44):
Yeah, guy, I thought Barth loved James Pears. He's one.

Speaker 6 (03:31:47):
He's one of those guys that you know, Barth like
he's ahead of the curve on all these guys. So
like going into the college football season last.

Speaker 7 (03:31:53):
Year, you've ever said about Bart, You're right.

Speaker 6 (03:31:56):
Going into the college football season, like I said, Pierce
was considered to top five top ten caliber players. So
he probably told me about James Pierce like last August
and was like, this is one of the guys in
this year's draft.

Speaker 5 (03:32:08):
And you're like a watch list for us, like in
like you know, like late August. Just give me a
list of guys and be like, here're the guys.

Speaker 6 (03:32:15):
Just just because I can't, like I have to make
fun of him a little bit. One of the most
annoying things that he does is he'll search our texts
and like pull up like you know, oh, I mentioned
this guy two years ago, Like you know, I got
that would annoy me, right, and I'm like cool, dude,
like cool, like you were on, don't.

Speaker 7 (03:32:32):
I don't need to have the stupid things that I
said one day that but you know, thrown back in
my face. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:32:37):
Yeah, he was like I tried to tell you about
this guy six months ago, Like all right, Bart, thanks.

Speaker 5 (03:32:42):
It is interesting though with Peers because I kind of
grouped him with Green a little bit together as edge
guys with maybe some off the field questions.

Speaker 2 (03:32:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:32:48):
That's funny to me though, that you would make that
kind of a trick because that's a significant trade, huge
trade to move up that far. Yeah, I mean, I
don't think they gave up too much to move up
that far, but like it, it's just such a weird
guy to leave him to target like that.

Speaker 5 (03:33:02):
Even James Pierce can't believe it.

Speaker 6 (03:33:04):
He was like, what really, Yeah, I mean if this
was like the Browns coming up to.

Speaker 7 (03:33:09):
Draft, they know for sure he wouldn't be available if
they just sat tight, right, Well, twenty pix is a while, no,
I know, but like I mean, I guess you have
good intel.

Speaker 5 (03:33:18):
They probably wait a few I mean, they must thought
he's he's going like, yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:33:21):
They must have good intel to know that, you know,
like so and so is going to take him if
we don't move up.

Speaker 5 (03:33:25):
Is he a Baltimore kind of guy?

Speaker 7 (03:33:26):
It seems like a little bit Baltimore. There is one
of those guys. I think they're gonna they look like
they shop in a way. Yeah, I think so. Maybe
they're looking to upgrade.

Speaker 6 (03:33:36):
I think, you know, with James Pierce, he was one
of one of the stories that you heard which is
so like draft right, apparently like he would like stand
alone on the sideline a lot, like just like a
man on an island, like away from the whole rest
of the defense and the whole rest of the team,
and like it's a.

Speaker 7 (03:33:53):
Sneaky one of those positions.

Speaker 6 (03:33:54):
Yeah, And like the scouts that would you know, the
area of scouts and stuff that were actually go to
the game and boots on the ground with like write
in their reports like he's kind of a loner, like
you know, he kind of you know, stands by himself
all this. It's like they see the type of stuff
that turns teams off.

Speaker 7 (03:34:09):
And I didn't read something about the falcons. I want
to say schefter on Monday when he had that like
grab bag of all draft tidbits. The Falcons pass rush
has been absolutely abysmal for like ten years. They haven't
had a guy with like more than six sacks in
the season and like forever. And you know, they doubled
up on edge guys in the first round. They got

(03:34:29):
Jalen Walker too with Pierce, so clearly they thought that
was a major, major need and they that's a lot
to give up to.

Speaker 5 (03:34:37):
Get a guy like that in my in my view, yeah,
I mean, they probably feel like they've got Bijon, they've
got Pennix in place, you know, Drake London on the
outside that they've got the pieces on offense for the
most part, but felt like the.

Speaker 7 (03:34:49):
Penny can play, They certainly have the pieces on offense. Yeah,
and if their coaches can coach, that's another good point.

Speaker 6 (03:34:55):
Yeah, big.

Speaker 2 (03:34:56):
If Tim in California on the hotline, what's up?

Speaker 7 (03:34:59):
Tim?

Speaker 28 (03:35:01):
I had to call back in I got cut off
there at the end of the first call. I traded
back into ask this question for y'all with our number two.
Should we if Josh Simmons is there or Luthor Burden's there,
who would you rather take.

Speaker 7 (03:35:20):
Luther Burn Luther Burdens, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:35:24):
Would you rather take.

Speaker 28 (03:35:28):
I'm kind of thinking that if he sits for a
year and then you develop them, and Will Campbell doesn't
work out at left tackle, then you will inside it
and then you have your left tackle. Or if Will
Campbell does work out, then you trade them for something
for next year. But again, it doesn't help our immediate needs.

(03:35:48):
So I'm kind of leaning towards Luthor Burden as well.
But I know you've had some character issues, so kind
of worried about that.

Speaker 6 (03:35:56):
Yeah, if you want to do that sort of thing
with like a Charles Granter and the Belton or one
of these developmental tackles, and you want to just head
your bets a little bit by drafting one of those
guys in the third or fourth round, I'm all for that.
I don't think you can draft two guys.

Speaker 7 (03:36:11):
Yeah, and I don't. I mean, Mike Reached threw that
out there earlier this week about Simmons. You know, if
you took him and then it's kind of kind of
insurance you have two tackles, But I would worry that
one of them wouldn't have the ability to play the
right side if you needed them to you know, let's say,
you know, because I don't like the idea of I'm
going to take Simmons in case Campbell doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (03:36:32):
I don't want to.

Speaker 7 (03:36:33):
I don't I don't want to continguency. I want to
be all in, you know, and that that it will
work him at left tackle. So I don't want to
be in a situation where if everything goes the way
I wanted to go, now I have a dilemma. I
got to move one of them, either position wise or
to another team. I don't want to do that.

Speaker 2 (03:36:50):
No, Okay, Jr. From Florida's back on the line. What's up, Jr?

Speaker 7 (03:36:56):
Multiple callers.

Speaker 18 (03:36:57):
Yeah, Hey, I got cut off from you guys last time,
end of my call. So I figured I'd just give
you guys a call back at this point. Okay, how
we were talking about before I had got cut off,
you know, about the game breakers and this and that.

Speaker 2 (03:37:12):
Oh so this is are you the guy from fort
No no, no, no, no, no, no, okay.

Speaker 18 (03:37:20):
Anyway, I think at this point I would be thinking,
wouldn't you want to try to move up for somebody
like Trey Yon Henderson with him still on the board,
and if you like I know we we need a
wide receiver, but I'm thinking I would go heavy on
offense in the beginning of this draft because I think

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the defense is going to stand up with what we
got and they're gonna be They're gonna be productive.

Speaker 2 (03:37:47):
Well here's the thing, j are if if if you
you know, listen, I'm not ruling out running back, but
you can stay where you are and get a pretty
good running back in this draft. You don't need to
move up.

Speaker 18 (03:37:59):
You think any of them are going to be Like
Traveon Henderson.

Speaker 28 (03:38:02):
He just for me.

Speaker 18 (03:38:03):
He does it all, you know what I mean. He's
just I love his past catching ability and we all
know that McDaniel he loves. He loves the back that
can catch the ball.

Speaker 7 (03:38:13):
You know, we think he'd be available at thirty eight block.
Huh do you think he might be available at thirty eight?

Speaker 18 (03:38:21):
You want to take that chance?

Speaker 7 (03:38:23):
Sure?

Speaker 6 (03:38:23):
Yeah, he would. I love Traveon Henderson. He was one
of those players that I didn't really feel like it
made sense for the Patriots, but he's so damn good.
I couldn't keep him off the big board.

Speaker 7 (03:38:35):
I was I have to have this do You'm not
telling him I don't like the player I'm saying, I
think he's I think he could be available at thirty eight.

Speaker 6 (03:38:41):
Yeah, he's, Uh, he's Jamior Gibbs, light like he's He's
got that kind of skill set, that kind of game
breaking speed if you will, that has that type of gear,
no doubt about it. I mean, he's an awesome back
to watch and he's explosive as hell. But I don't
know if he needs trade up. I mean, the Baltimore
is about to take Malchi, Starks are not going to
take a running back. Detroit is probably not going to

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take a running back.

Speaker 7 (03:39:03):
You know, Washington, I guess could you have to worry
about teams jumping up, you know, in front of you.

Speaker 6 (03:39:09):
But Houston, I would say, is for one of those
tackles you know they're gonna they're gonna take at the
top of the second round. You know, Look, I don't
know if he'll make it all the way to thirty eight.
If he's there at thirty eight and they picked him,
I wouldn't be mad at all.

Speaker 7 (03:39:22):
Yeah, it's surprising that Houston not just thinking about that
because they do have that need to fill tunsil spot. Yeah,
and they decided to trade down yeah, so they must
not love the Connorley Grocery Simmons.

Speaker 6 (03:39:35):
Well, Kansas City is gonna probably you would think, would
take one of those those tackles. Right, they're at thirty one,
and then Houston will will have their one of the three,
right like they'll they'll be able to pick one of
the three at the top of the second now right, yep,
they're right there at uh at thirty four, so that
they'll be able to pick. They'll they'll get one of

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those guys at that spot.

Speaker 2 (03:40:00):
Max in Mexico City writes in at podcasts at Patriots
dot Com. He says he's written in four drafts in
a row and looking forward to many more. First off,
Will Campbell's attitude is contagious and truly patriot, like Matthew
Slater would be proud. Next the question, since we're looking
to completely renovate our wide receiver room, we need to

(03:40:20):
take some trash out. If you had to release a
wide receiver, who would it be and.

Speaker 7 (03:40:24):
Why I had to release a wide receipt.

Speaker 2 (03:40:27):
I released one, just release yeah anything.

Speaker 7 (03:40:31):
Jon Baker would be the one I would too if
I had to, So.

Speaker 5 (03:40:37):
A lot of people who would cry out at that
and be like what I would.

Speaker 7 (03:40:41):
Now, I wouldn't want to because I would want to
see him go through the whole offseason and see if
he's matured and there's anything there. I like, I believe
in the ascending second year player much like you know, dude,
you are out this week when when Evan and I
talked about Adam Schefter putting case Sean Boody on his
list of young players that teams might be looking to

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move on from. And I am not a huge Kishan
Boody guy by any means, but I thought it was odd. Yeah,
like I do think that he had He showed some
signs of maturing last year, just the way we're talking
we hope to see from Javon Baker made some place
and that wasn't perfect. I think he had some comments
after games at times that I thought were odd, But

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he made some plays, had some production. Why wouldn't you
roll the dice that he could build on that and
be even better in year three?

Speaker 1 (03:41:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (03:41:32):
Absolutely, I mean that's to me, Like I said before,
giving room to breathe to some of these young players.
Offensive lineman Kayden Wallace, Leyden Robinson, you know that the
book hasn't been closed on those guys yet, and I'm
still hopeful that you're going to get an unexpected return
from a place you didn't really expect to get it.
Maybe it's that left guard position with Layden Robinson, you know,

(03:41:52):
maybe it's even just Kayden Wallace being a serviceable swing
tackle backing up you know, the right side of the
line for this year and maybe, you know, maybe he
steps into a starting role coming down the line. But
it's just a balance trying to like not oversaturate a
position where you feel like, man, you got twelve receivers, now,
how would we ever gonna be able to tell?

Speaker 14 (03:42:11):
Bet?

Speaker 5 (03:42:12):
You know, between that and you know, other positions where,
like I mentioned running back, there's just not a lot
of depth there. There's not a lot of bodies. There's
easy to take one of these guys, slide him into
that group and say, this guy's gonna not only make
the team, but he's he's probably gonna contribute in a rotation.

Speaker 6 (03:42:26):
Right now, Yeah, I admit I Kaishan Boody has kind
of won me over, like not saying that I think
he's gonna be a star, but I was totally not
sold on Kishan Boody being an NFL player like this
time last year.

Speaker 7 (03:42:39):
I would agree, Yeah, I thought he was going to
get cut before, you know, heading into training camp, I
thought he was cut. I'm sure I had him up
with what six hundred yards or so, comeback player of
the year, come back from what most improved it. I
give you what you want, bro, I I.

Speaker 6 (03:42:56):
Probably had him as a cut like late into training
camp last year times right, like on fifty three man
roster projections, and you know we've talked. We talked a
little bit about it on Tuesday. But if you're looking
for that X receiver to just kind of be a
sacrificial X receiver that's just going to run go routes
on the outside and clear out coverage and catch an
occasional you know, deep shot every once in a while

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the game. Yeah, that's exactly Like, isn't that Keijon Booty?
Like you're not asking him to be.

Speaker 7 (03:43:22):
The star in a while? You look up, but he's
three yards behind Derek Stingle right exactly.

Speaker 6 (03:43:27):
And you know, if that's the role that that's going
to be, which is what it's bent historically with McDaniels, Like,
then do you really need to move on from that
and then draft another one that's just going to do
the same exact thing.

Speaker 5 (03:43:37):
Like you already have such a great point, I feel
like this is something we should I'd love to get into,
like a more extensive conversation about because what you just
said about how Josh is, you know, like Jojo Lafel,
same thing, right, he was just Malcolm Mitchell outside guy,
go comebacks. That's pretty much it did that, you know?
And is that the right way to look at it,
because it feels like it's almost like a nothing position

(03:44:00):
where you're broadcasting what you want to do with that
player on the outside, where I think a lot of fans,
including the callers, would say, get them someone more dynamic
out there. Don't get somebody who's just out there to
do two things. Do somebody who's really going to move
the needle and affect the defense. And for too long
we've had you know, all these guys don't affect the defense,
they don't take the top off the defense. They're they're
all crowded the line of scrimmage and what Mike they're

(03:44:21):
they're hard, not hard to defend.

Speaker 2 (03:44:26):
Mike and the OC thanks for the coverage tonight. Special
shout out to Alex for braving the drunken fans. I'll
be disappointed if we don't trade up for Burden. I
was disappointed last year when we didn't trade up for
Xavier Worthy. I hope we don't make the same mistake again.

Speaker 6 (03:44:41):
Yeah, yeah, I mean we've said a lot of really
nice things about Luther Burden. I think it's a great
list litmus test of they drafted a guy at four
overall that you would say is a Rabel guy, you know,
the high character, the love of football, you know that
kind of stuff. Luther Burden would be the opposite by reports, right,

(03:45:01):
you know, in indications of what he's like, uh, kind
of a diva like would they take a player like that?
And I think that they probably should take eventually takes
some risk, right and and take on a play.

Speaker 7 (03:45:14):
I think you'd have to trade though, because I don't
think Detroit necessarily, but Washington could be in, yeah, in
the market for a receiver.

Speaker 6 (03:45:22):
So Baltimore took Malachi Starks. We kind of glossed over
that because it's not really relevant, but that the Baltimore
Ravens like annoy me how good they are at this,
Like it just kind of pisses me, somebody stud just
falls into their lap and they just sit there and
they do they do the smart they do the smart thing.
They don't reach on some random player. They're just like, oh, yeah,

(03:45:43):
Malachi's is here. We're just gonna take this guy stud.

Speaker 7 (03:45:47):
Like Hamilton and Malachi Starks. I mean, it's just annoying.
I have a crush on Kyle Hamilton. That's longest that
which terrific player.

Speaker 6 (03:45:54):
Them in Philadelphia. You know, like there's there's like the
some stuff out there about Williams, about Philly and Howie
Roseman that teams like won't even pick up the phone
to deal with the Howie Roseman because they're so worried
they're gonna get swindled by Howie Roseman. But they're like
afraid that, Like, well, if you want, I'm like what
it was, like, what right?

Speaker 1 (03:46:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (03:46:17):
And I feel the same way about Bill probably had
a period of time with that too, you know in
the mid two thousands where teams were just like, oh God,
he wants to take one of our guys.

Speaker 7 (03:46:23):
Out of the Yeah, it never showed like they I know,
they kept giving Randy Moss for but they traded with
him constantly, So I don't think people ever thought that
they lost the trades because they kept trading with them.

Speaker 2 (03:46:34):
Just be a little wary.

Speaker 7 (03:46:34):
You know that guy wants one of your players.

Speaker 2 (03:46:36):
Well those are low, late round picks, but yeah, they
they had. He had a string of trades with Philly.
How many years was it?

Speaker 7 (03:46:42):
I forget, Oh, I didn't mean yes with Philly, but yeah,
you're right, he had a thing with Andy Reid.

Speaker 5 (03:46:48):
Right, So just a little light connection with the Patriots here,
you know, with Terrell Williams leaving Detroit as the defensive
line coach and now you know Detroit obviously had a
bunch of defensive injuries last year, couldn't really stick hanging
there towards the end of the season. But you know,
going and getting Williams from Ohio State, big interior presence, Uh,
they'll probably get Austin or Austin What am I saying?

(03:47:09):
The edge guy that broke his leg. That was disgusting
agents Sorry, Aiden Hutches, thank you. He's fully helped a
little bit of a little bit of a rebuild there.
They're they're focused on defensive side of the ball.

Speaker 7 (03:47:19):
That's I mean, I don't know how great Williams is,
but that's certainly the area that they should be looking at.
They need to show up the defense and building the
trenches up front, in particular.

Speaker 2 (03:47:29):
Jonathan's in Miami Jonathan before the goo, Hey, guys, how
y'all going?

Speaker 36 (03:47:34):
All right?

Speaker 42 (03:47:36):
I had a little quick silly comments for you guys.
Do you guys know how long John Barron has owned
the Giants?

Speaker 7 (03:47:43):
How long the Mara family is on the Giants for
a long time?

Speaker 42 (03:47:49):
Okay, So I wanted to say, you guys remember the
story that happened to be me Brian and the Giants
back when he was getting drafted. No, No, as far
as Prime telling them that he's not going to be
there when they're picking, even talking.

Speaker 7 (03:48:06):
To them, who said, yeah, I don't know the story.

Speaker 42 (03:48:12):
Oh Prime said that thunders Prime thunders.

Speaker 7 (03:48:16):
No, No, I understand what you're saying. I don't know.
I'm not familiar with the story. So deone Sanders got
drafted one like the late eighties, and he wouldn't meet
with the Giants because he was going to be picked
before the Giants picked. That happens a lot. Abdual Carver
did that this year.

Speaker 2 (03:48:35):
Yeah, he only went there first.

Speaker 7 (03:48:37):
Four teams because he said he wasn't gonna be going
any anymore.

Speaker 14 (03:48:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 42 (03:48:42):
My Still the comment is, do you think that has
anything to do with what the Giants are doing to.

Speaker 2 (03:48:50):
Okay, I don't.

Speaker 7 (03:48:52):
They wouldn't. They wouldn't have met with Sanders if it did.
They met with Sanders extensively.

Speaker 6 (03:48:57):
Yeah, I hear, good connection. Yeah, I think that. You know,
there is a lot of reporting that came out that
the scenes of the Father they really like Jackson Dart.
Like I think one of the reports is that like
Brian Dable was like kind of infatuated by Jackson Dart.

Speaker 7 (03:49:12):
Yeah, now I would. I would have said, you know,
if if someone took Shudeah Sanders like two picks later,
thanks John, Chinese didn't want him at three, I'm jumping up.
You know, Pittsburgh just jumped up sixteen spots to get
to four or five or whatever and took him, then
I would say, oh, maybe maybe there was something to that.
But he's still available, yep. And he's not going to Washington,

(03:49:32):
he's not going to Buffalo, and he's not going to
Kansas City. So borrowing a trade or the barring.

Speaker 6 (03:49:37):
A trade, Yeah, Cleveland with the first pick in the
second round makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (03:49:44):
You know, he went first.

Speaker 5 (03:49:46):
Overall on day two.

Speaker 7 (03:49:48):
I mean, you got to you gotta sweat out if
anyone's gonna move up.

Speaker 2 (03:49:53):
But yep, Mel's and Sacramento.

Speaker 7 (03:49:57):
Hey, Mel Sacktown, Yeah, I'm here. Thanks.

Speaker 14 (03:50:04):
I think you guys are doing the great jobs covering
the draft. Me too, super excited about our fourths pick.
I think he's going to be a stud. However, I
do think, you know, we do need some dynamic players
to the point of the guy who called earlier and
Dante would have been sort of an out of the
box pick. So where do you see them going in

(03:50:26):
the second round? Try to achieve that getting someone that's dynamic.
Is are there any available players that you think they
can go to meet that status a game breaking type player?

Speaker 6 (03:50:41):
Yeah? Absolutely. I mean I'll have best available at the
end of the night. You know, for day two, I
could say Luther Burden right now and I'll go to
Washington right so I would like to see at the
end of the night. But you know, Burden's obviously when
we've talked a lot about tonight, Knowle's another one we've
talked a lot about tonight. You know, Kyle Williams from
Washington States, another four to four you know, speed type

(03:51:02):
of receiver that's a game breaker. Caller called in about
Trevon Henderson Quinn Shawn Jukins, you know, his teammate out
of Ohio State. Two backs with a really great explosiveness
and great speed as well, big playability. Uh, Dylan Samson
from Tennessee. Like, there's there's explosive guys, there's playmakers on
offense still available. I'm not at all like worried that

(03:51:25):
they've missed the boat on that at all.

Speaker 2 (03:51:28):
One of the Scataboo's still on the board.

Speaker 6 (03:51:30):
Scatta, we might be there at one of six.

Speaker 7 (03:51:33):
Josh Connolly, All right, thanks, thanks for the call.

Speaker 2 (03:51:40):
Sayn went to the.

Speaker 7 (03:51:41):
Conny went to the commanders, so that that bumps Brandon
Coleman officially inside, I guess go inside.

Speaker 6 (03:51:49):
Yeah, well, so ten they trade for Tunzel right.

Speaker 7 (03:51:52):
Uns and and Connory. You know, there's no need to
even think about it.

Speaker 6 (03:51:56):
So I would assume that they're going to try to
play connorly at right tackle, and it was not pretty
at the Senior Bowl with him at right tackle. Like
that's the clip that went around with Mike Green running
them over. Is him playing right tackle like which everybody
kind of said, well, it's not his position. He plays
left tackle, so he's playing out a position.

Speaker 7 (03:52:13):
They also could look at as you know, what are
you gonna get another? You may get a year or.

Speaker 6 (03:52:17):
Two of them, and maybe he plays right to start
and then flips back over once tons.

Speaker 5 (03:52:22):
Moves has been left the whole time as he's tackle.

Speaker 2 (03:52:27):
Bills around the clock. Who are the Bills interested?

Speaker 6 (03:52:30):
Their fans really wanted them to take interior defensive line.

Speaker 5 (03:52:35):
They're funny, They're dying. These are my people.

Speaker 2 (03:52:40):
I'm telling you so funny.

Speaker 6 (03:52:43):
I was actually joking with a couple of them. Uh,
I'm friends with being like interior defensive line like that.
Like they're all like like we're pounding the table for
offensive line. They're we need stuff, we need.

Speaker 7 (03:52:55):
Now all the Bills. Yeah, just let Josh Allen you know,
have Khalil Shakir and Luther Burden just like skitter scatting
around all over the place.

Speaker 6 (03:53:07):
Yeah, I hear you. I think it's funny, you know,
like that that that's what they're clamoring for. But just
in general, like in all seriously like defense, like and
I think their defense.

Speaker 7 (03:53:18):
Defense, and the one thing I would say is if
Will Johnson can run. I mean, clearly there's some concerns
about his name for him to be still on the board.
If they feel good about his medicals, he'd be a
good pick too, because they need they need secondary Hill.

Speaker 18 (03:53:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:53:33):
Absolutely. I I just think, you know, the tables have
turned with Buffalo in a lot of ways, but their
mindset with Josh Allen is like, well Josh, we'll just
he'll figure it out, right. We don't like we need
like the defense has holes now we need the best
year ever with nothing right. We need we need to
fix the defense, like there's enough on offense with the
MVP of the league that like will score points, Like

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the defense has a lot of holes.

Speaker 2 (03:53:56):
Trey's in Tampa. Hey, Trey, Hey, how y'all doing.

Speaker 39 (03:54:01):
Appreciate y'all letting me on. I don't know if y'all
blocked my other number, so I had to call from
a different phone. I was unable to get through. After
my last falling preseason last year about spread talking about
pile the other filling holes and creaming guys, I thought.

Speaker 16 (03:54:14):
I might have been blocked.

Speaker 39 (03:54:14):
I called off my other number got through, but my
dream scenario for the rest of the draft is Luther
Burden in the second round, we get Darius Sampson out
of Tennessee and Josiah Stewart out of Michigan in the
third round, and then going into the four beyond, walk
out of and tuk me would be breaking off of
me and.

Speaker 17 (03:54:32):
Then sign no Evan.

Speaker 16 (03:54:34):
But we did the full mister the off season.

Speaker 39 (03:54:36):
So I need you to show up the gilest of
that CNX and Mossbowl and give you a review on
the podcast.

Speaker 16 (03:54:41):
It won't be much talk about around that time, but
I appreciate y'all.

Speaker 2 (03:54:44):
Let me fall in all right, Yeah, I didn't hit
up the tray, you were not blocked.

Speaker 7 (03:54:50):
I will.

Speaker 6 (03:54:50):
I will definitely give a review of the Kendrick Lamar concert.

Speaker 5 (03:54:55):
You can take your day off afterwards.

Speaker 6 (03:54:56):
Taken the day off afterwards, and I'm thinking that I
might take the train in on the special event train
from South Station and then come into.

Speaker 2 (03:55:07):
Putting one on.

Speaker 7 (03:55:09):
Well, this is like taking the day.

Speaker 6 (03:55:10):
This is my this is my favorite artist because he
who should not be named is no longer acceptable to
be my favorite artist. So this is my number one
favorite artist in music right now.

Speaker 2 (03:55:21):
Easy, easy.

Speaker 7 (03:55:24):
I was I was going to say something else, but
I probably should bring his name up.

Speaker 2 (03:55:29):
Let's go to Toronto.

Speaker 38 (03:55:30):
Hey Kirk, Hello, Hi, Hey, how's it going. I really
like a pick tonight. I just want to start saying, Hey,
I met you guys in Mexico. I met Fred in Mexico,
and I think Mike was there.

Speaker 14 (03:55:47):
Too, and a couple of it.

Speaker 5 (03:55:49):
And I remember being in Mexico.

Speaker 2 (03:55:50):
Okay, I drunk, I did.

Speaker 16 (03:55:54):
I did meet Fred and uh in the hotel.

Speaker 2 (03:55:57):
Lobby in Mexico City.

Speaker 38 (03:56:00):
Yeah, Mexico City for still game. But yeah, I think
the pick is a great pick. I thought that my
first choice was the trade back, and second was to
get Will Campbell and third was Jen. But I think
there's a lot of I know, a lot of the
fans out there wondering about the you know what playmakers

(03:56:22):
we can get. There's a there's lots of them.

Speaker 16 (03:56:24):
As far as pass.

Speaker 13 (03:56:25):
Catches, Uh, I like Jayden Higgins, also.

Speaker 38 (03:56:29):
Like Kyle Williams, Jaleen Noyle and later on David Streppo
even though he's not too fast, and Harold Fanning Jr.

Speaker 7 (03:56:39):
Yeah, and like all those guys.

Speaker 38 (03:56:45):
As far as far as running backs, I think, uh,
there's a little so deep Cam Skata Bowl and R. J.
Harvey and also very late even uh jar kids.

Speaker 6 (03:57:01):
Yeah, I don't know Auburn. Yeah, we're all really good names.

Speaker 7 (03:57:04):
I didn't know that one.

Speaker 6 (03:57:05):
Uh all really good names. I think, what's uh, what's
fascinating to me? You know you mentioned both both Iowa
state receivers, and one's an inside guy, one's an outside guy.
One's six foot four, one's five to eleven, you know,
a buck ninety. Like what is their type?

Speaker 5 (03:57:22):
Now?

Speaker 6 (03:57:22):
Like, what what's what are they targeting? You know, what
kind of receiver are they looking for? Because I think
both those players on my are very very equal, like
they're graded out very very equally. And so now it's
at the point where it's just, you know, do you
want the big outside guy or do you want you know,
a true separator like Jalen Knowle. So it would be
interesting to see what what they go for if they,

(03:57:43):
you know, draft one of those guys.

Speaker 2 (03:57:46):
All right, John and La writes in the Bill Selections
in John and La says, I'm having PTSD pre traumatic
stress disorder. That case will steal luthor burden from us.
I think Rabel expects to have alture that can handle
a diva wide receiver fingers crossed love the Draft show
and the throw to Alex was iconic, iconic. I'm on

(03:58:08):
board with Bill Campbell LFG. Okay, who's the Bills take
the Bills?

Speaker 6 (03:58:13):
We don't know. The Eagles did jump Kansas City, which
is interesting. So maybe the Kansas City was gonna was
getting calls to move out of the first round, and
Philly said, well, we want our guys, so they they
swapped picks. So the Eagles are now they could go
for Burden of course, because.

Speaker 5 (03:58:31):
And then they'll trade j Brown to the Patriots, right,
you know, that's.

Speaker 7 (03:58:34):
How it works. Make it so the Eagles are trading
thirty two and one sixty four to the Chiefs for
thirty one, So one sixty four to move up a spot,
that's not too bad.

Speaker 6 (03:58:46):
So the Bills took Maxwell Harriston the cornerback from Kentucky.

Speaker 7 (03:58:50):
Sah yeah, then gets by Paul Yeah, a good player,
fast corner.

Speaker 6 (03:58:57):
Really kind of rose up the board here a little
bit to this uh spot. I would I'll give the
Bills credit for you know, a couple of years ago
they took Kyrie Elam in the first round. It was
like a physical pressman corner that they drafted to play
in his own scheme, which I'd never understood, Like I
didn't understand why they would do that. Maxwell Harriston is

(03:59:18):
his own corner that they drafted to play zone. So
this one definitely fits their style of defense and what
they want to do. He ran a four to eight
in the forty yard dash. Is a really fast player
as well. But I totally understand this from Buffalo's standpoint.
Fills a need. Style of player fits. Uh, this is
a This is the first time in the while that
I've actually liked a Bills pick. I think they've I

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liked the.

Speaker 7 (03:59:40):
Way he just you know, you guys like to talk
about the reaction.

Speaker 2 (03:59:44):
Yeah that was to touch the logo.

Speaker 34 (03:59:47):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (03:59:48):
Yeah that's good.

Speaker 5 (03:59:49):
Too bad he's gonna like Starks with his mom to
why he assume it was his mother, you know, like
May December.

Speaker 7 (03:59:59):
That was That was kind of a cool moment too,
Like if we're just talking about it.

Speaker 5 (04:00:01):
I know, well that's and that's what I said, Like, yeah,
I look forward to hating Maxwell Harriston when he's playing
for the Bills in a few months, but like for now,
I can appreciate like this is great.

Speaker 7 (04:00:10):
You know, like the beauty of me is. By the
time the season rolls around, I'll forget that. Maxwell Hairston
was a person let alone to his mom, let alone.
A first round pick, all right, So that's the Bills pick.
So let's get into this little trade here. Let's get
onto it.

Speaker 2 (04:00:26):
So it was going to be Kansas City at thirty
one and Philly at thirty two, but Philly they swapped.
So now it's Philly picking at thirty one with the
Chiefs the last pick in the first round. Who is
it that they I wonder if Mike Green the City
was on the phone.

Speaker 5 (04:00:42):
With wonder, Oh, Mike Green they lost, you know, Joshua right, Like,
is that you know, kneeding an edge?

Speaker 7 (04:00:48):
Philly's also not afraid always Burton pushed the envelo.

Speaker 2 (04:00:53):
You don't think it was us that was trying to
move up that just got.

Speaker 5 (04:00:58):
I don't know, and then that would perhaps it could be,
but I don't know, to be honest, I'd be surprised
if they moved up. For for who's there right now? Yeah,
I just don't disrespect to Burden. I think he's you know,
has a lot of what they need. But I think
everything Evan said just an extensive resources, a guy that

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maybe has some question marks. You're trying to rebuild the program.
I don't know that. I'm gonna say they're probably gonna
stay put.

Speaker 7 (04:01:25):
I just thought that is not the reason, that's all.

Speaker 6 (04:01:28):
I thought it was iffy that he would even be
on their board to begin with, and so did have
them trade up for the player. Now, if they they
sit there tomorrow night and Luther Burden falls to thirty
eight and he's just sitting there like, you might have
to just throw out the fact that you think he's
a little bit of a diva and make the pick.

Speaker 7 (04:01:44):
So I'm going to lean on you guys, because you
guys know this stuff. You guys told me about Isaiah
Bond today, I was like a whole week behind. Right,
that's a tough one. No, that's a whole different thing. Though.
If that's what we're talking if we're talking about that's
why he's off someone's board, like he'd be off my board.
Fred will tell you, I like my team would stink.

Speaker 5 (04:02:03):
Yeah, a little bit of a diva though, you know.

Speaker 7 (04:02:07):
Of America. No, no, no, Isaiah Bond had like a
sexual assaulting or something like, so like that I want
no part of. But if Luther Burden's like issues at
Missouri last year, like he was kind of difficult fight
in a diva and that's why you're off the board,
I'm not on board with that. Like that to me

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is something Yeah, you know he's he's he's got some
maturing to do, and we're a good culture fit for that.
We we we bring those players in, Like that's why
you know, Randy Moss came here, who supposedly didn't like
football anymore and set the all time NFL touchdown record
receiving record in a single season. And Mike Vrabel himself
talked glowingly about Randy Moss before that, remember when that

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clip that made the rounds, you know, when he was
still a player. So I would I would be disappointed,
not if they didn't trade up because of it, but
if they had him off his off the board because
of being a diva.

Speaker 5 (04:03:02):
Right, that was a big point spectrum of that too
though of like yeah, he's a diva. But then there's
also just like he just doesn't like football, he doesn't
really get it. He's more talented than everybody, he doesn't
really have any interest in working at it when it
comes to him. That would just if you put.

Speaker 7 (04:03:16):
Him off the board because of that, Like I want
to work with talented guys and get him on the
right page. Like that's all. Like I don't necessarily I'm
not telling you I want to trade up for him,
like I want to go out of you know, like
I want to go out of my way to get.

Speaker 5 (04:03:28):
There's a certain point where that value you don't.

Speaker 7 (04:03:30):
Care and you're just going to do I just want
the talent, and I want to say what he plays.
He plays like Abdual Carter, Like that's what people were
talking about him.

Speaker 6 (04:03:38):
Yeah. A lot of the things that you hear about
with Burden are just you know, Monday through Saturday. He's
not going to be a hard He's not going to
practice hard. He's not going to study hard. He's not
going to work out, he's not going to show up
at the facility early. Like he's just not a rat,
you know, he's not a gym rat about it. Yeah,
because the Eagles, just like the Ravens, will just continue
to just draft good players and have them fault to

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them at the end of the first round. With Burden,
you know, you also hear a lot about last year,
and it didn't go as planned, like for the entire program,
Like it wasn't just him, but he had a bad year.
Brady Cooked, the quarterback at Missouri, had an awful year
and his stats weren't the same as the twenty twenty
three season. He took a big step back, yep. And

(04:04:20):
so there's there's questions just about what went wrong at
Missouri last year. Well, you know, he I think the
comparisons that you hear about, you know, from a character
standpoint a lot, like you hear a lot about deva
receiver here here, Odell Beckham, right, like guys like that,
you know, maybe a little bit of Stefan Diggs, like,
you know, things like that. And that's that's what teams

(04:04:40):
have been concerned about, you know, coupled with the fact
that the year last year was by his standards, kind
of a disaster, honestly, Like.

Speaker 7 (04:04:48):
He just finally took a step back. And he's a
guy that I really really liked, and I watched a
little bit last year because I had liked him from
the previous year. They played BC early in the season,
I got a chance to watch him. He played well
in that game. But I just like Evan just rattled
off a couple of names, like I would take Odell
Beckham and Stefan Diggs coming into the draft in a

(04:05:09):
heartbeat with these kinds of diva character issues, you know,
like that. I can live with that. Now if he
did things off the field that I don't want, you know,
I don't want to put in my program. You know, guns,
you know, drugs, you know, obviously violence against women. I
don't want those, those them, you know, Fred says I

(04:05:30):
want all boy scouts. Yeah, No, I think I can
find enough players that don't have lengthy criminal rental records.

Speaker 5 (04:05:36):
Yeah, I'm just kind of interested in drafting Campbell though.
For the Eagles, where they had Zach Bond breakout year
last year, resign him. You still got Dean Kobe, Dean
coming back from an injury.

Speaker 7 (04:05:48):
If you get injury though, maybe they're worried about him.
So maybe they also had a ton of Injuriesane Hot
a little bit off the edge, a little bit like
he did. Yeah, just an interesting player, I mean, but
not an obvious Oh, they have a higher rate of
everybody's board. So Mike Green is probably the only other one.

Speaker 6 (04:06:04):
Yeah, so Gi haid Campbell had a shoulder injury that
he just got surgery on. He tried to go through
the pre draft process first and do all the workouts
and all that kind of stuff, and then he had
so shoulder surgery. So most people think that he's going
to start the year on pup and maybe it might
not play right away out of the gate. But if
you're the Eagles, like, what are you worried about that?

Speaker 1 (04:06:24):
For right?

Speaker 7 (04:06:25):
Like you have all the leaders know what kinds of
picks the Patriots used to make routine now because they
could and Harvey Roseman's not going anywhere.

Speaker 5 (04:06:32):
I have such a different guy doesn't work out. I
have such a different perspective now on how the draft
kind of works because I realized, as much as it's
hard to be in the twenties and have to watch
the draft unfold, it also just kind of makes your
decision easy where oh yeah, guess what this awesome linebacker is,
the one who made it through the gauntlet and fell
to you. You never could have staft for the last
two months and been like, I want Campbell at thirty one.

(04:06:52):
I want Campbell a thirty one. Vince will right, you're
able to sit back, and but it's also it seems
like if you start missing on those picks, it can
start to rattle up fast because you're picking lower and
all of a sudden you are left with some of
the leftover. So if you're picking the wrong leftover as
you get into the position like the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (04:07:09):
Yeah, and if you're picking in lower twenties, it you're
probably a good team. Question is how long are you
going to stay a good thing?

Speaker 7 (04:07:16):
Who do you think that might have been interested in
that guy Campbell that caused the Eagles.

Speaker 5 (04:07:21):
To Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:07:23):
Yeah, somebody was obviously, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:07:25):
Definitely, I mean I can see why. I mean, it
makes it makes sense. He could fit probably just about anybody.

Speaker 7 (04:07:30):
No, I mean, Campbell's a good player. But I just
wonder if people think he's going to start on pup. Yeah,
they had to have some a I mean, I know,
it's only the one hundred and sixty fourth pick. What's
that like, fourth round or fifth rounder? Fifth rounder? I guess, yeah,
I'm lost. Yes, I'm tired.

Speaker 2 (04:07:48):
No, it could have been anybody.

Speaker 6 (04:07:50):
That's a good question. He's a really good player, and
I don't think that the shoulder injury is necessarily like
long term concern. But he's you know, like I said,
he's probably going to not going to be healthy to
start the year. But he's a top twenty player in
the class. I mean, he's taking those sec guys. I
compare him a little bit to Tremaine Edmunds. You know

(04:08:10):
Bills now bears great athleticism, great coverage player, great in space,
can rush a little bit off the edge. I just
think that he's a heck of football player.

Speaker 2 (04:08:20):
All right, So the final pick, City Chiefs pick is
in quickly. Let's get to a couple more phone calls
before we wrap up. Get ready for tomorrow. Daves and
the Philippines. What's up, Dave?

Speaker 18 (04:08:34):
Oh not much.

Speaker 2 (04:08:35):
How you guys doing all right?

Speaker 17 (04:08:36):
Great great show, great show.

Speaker 28 (04:08:39):
Just my first time calling in. I've been watching you
all forever.

Speaker 7 (04:08:42):
Thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 28 (04:08:44):
First off, I'm.

Speaker 31 (04:08:45):
Really excited about the first pick.

Speaker 17 (04:08:49):
The way the.

Speaker 16 (04:08:51):
The kid's emotions were after.

Speaker 18 (04:08:55):
The pick and being interviewed, it got me exciting.

Speaker 28 (04:08:58):
That's what you like to see from somebody.

Speaker 16 (04:09:00):
Either get to picked.

Speaker 17 (04:09:02):
Knowing that the trade are difficult to come by, especially
this season.

Speaker 18 (04:09:09):
Now we have what two picks in the second.

Speaker 2 (04:09:11):
Round, no one pick in the second round, two third.

Speaker 7 (04:09:17):
Okay, so it's thirty eight, sixty nine and seventy seven,
I believe.

Speaker 18 (04:09:21):
Okay, then in the second round, mainly what would you
like to see and who would you like to see
them pick? And I'll take that off there.

Speaker 7 (04:09:33):
Okay, thanks Dave.

Speaker 2 (04:09:35):
So second round, Yeah, you're looking at I like, I
kind of like would like to see them take a
running back stick to offense unless Burden's there, you know,
and his off field things don't, you know, preclude him
from being taken. I'd like to see a wide receiver,
but I think there might be more value at running
back at that point.

Speaker 7 (04:09:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (04:09:57):
Yeah, no, I think I think there's definitely value of
running back right now. I like next Gordon. I've talked
about him all spring. He's another top of the second round,
kind of an edge guy that I think fits what they.

Speaker 7 (04:10:08):
Won't get off the defense.

Speaker 5 (04:10:10):
I know, but I think that's that's that's one of
my guys right now.

Speaker 7 (04:10:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:10:13):
Yeah, Donovan Azaruku is still there. But the BC kid, Yeah,
the BC kid. You know, I think we've talked a
lot about Doud you know, thirty eight, Like you're gonna
be kind of in a group of edge rushers and
defensive lineman. Like, that's just where the strength of the
draft is at this point of the draft. So you know,
as Iku is still going to be there. You know,

(04:10:34):
Mike Green's probably off their board. Uh, Derek able to
take Jack Sawyer, Darius Alexander. I think he's a little
early for Jack Sawyer, but at that point, you know,
maybe you could get into some of the receivers and
tight ends too. I wouldn't rule out tight ends either,
but you know that it's it's one of those spots
where I think the talent is going to be there

(04:10:55):
on defense once they get on the clock. But we'll see,
I mean we'll we'll see, I'm sure.

Speaker 7 (04:11:02):
Is what's up? Real?

Speaker 1 (04:11:05):
Oh?

Speaker 43 (04:11:06):
Are you doing this evening, gentlemen?

Speaker 2 (04:11:07):
Ok? Yeah, big side.

Speaker 43 (04:11:10):
I just let out my third loud exploitive of the
night when the Eagles took jo Hot Campbell. He and
Gray's Abel were my two favorite players in this draft.
But I just want to touch on a couple of
points and ask a question.

Speaker 7 (04:11:23):
First is I.

Speaker 43 (04:11:25):
Talked with Evan on catch twenty two yesterday and he
called me out a little bit about wanting to move
out of that fourth spot. Uh, saying, you know, is
that I don't like the player or I just didn't
want to, you know, eat my vegetables and draft to tackle.
And I'm a guy who's pounded the table for building
in the trenches. So it's one hundred percent not that
I just I don't care for the player that much,

(04:11:47):
but you know, I gotta hope he's an all Pro
tackle at this point. The second thing is this round
two pick, Jaydon Higgins is there.

Speaker 7 (04:11:56):
He's my guy.

Speaker 43 (04:11:57):
I like him a lot. But two names I haven't
heard brought up really at all connected to the Patriots,
and I think especially the first one I'm gonna mention
is going to be a Rabel type guy.

Speaker 28 (04:12:08):
Uh.

Speaker 43 (04:12:09):
Carson Schwashinger, you SLA linebacker looks like you know, human
heat seeking missile. And h nicki Minmoor, the safety South Carolina.

Speaker 45 (04:12:20):
Like.

Speaker 43 (04:12:20):
I I know they're defensive players and he needs some
offensive talent, but I just I don't know they look
like Patriots.

Speaker 7 (04:12:26):
I like the safety a lot.

Speaker 6 (04:12:28):
Yeah, who is the safety?

Speaker 7 (04:12:29):
He said that?

Speaker 6 (04:12:33):
I actually, I actually think that he's my least favorite
player in the draft.

Speaker 7 (04:12:36):
I like him. He's one of the first guys we've
disagreed on.

Speaker 6 (04:12:40):
He his tape was awful. Like I'll just say it,
I like him awful, Like, now he's a great athlete.

Speaker 7 (04:12:47):
Maybe that's why he trips over.

Speaker 6 (04:12:50):
Sorry, I don't mean to be rude. It's kind of late,
but I just I really.

Speaker 2 (04:12:55):
Did not care for the film with him that the
Patriots take him and everyone's like, well, you know, he's
a good a god.

Speaker 46 (04:13:02):
He runs really effectively with both left feet, so it's
funny like he had a rep where he was like
trying to Yeah, he's trying to fall underneath the crosser
as a roboting across or is what they call it
in the in the lingo, and he literally tripped over
himself trying to do it.

Speaker 6 (04:13:20):
Like he's he's just not very coordinated. Great athlete though,
But uh, yeah, I didn't mean to pick on Rio.
I just I kind of felt like this and as
we're kind of like wrapping it up, I just kind
of felt in general that it wasn't sexy, it wasn't exciting.
You know, it's hard to get it really excited about
an offensive lineman. Like I I get that, and I

(04:13:42):
get that that's not really everybody's cup of tea. Maybe
Will Campbell's not your cup of tea, but they had
a glaring need and he was the consensus best player
available to fill that need and they went out and
that's what they did. So when he will get the
rest of this first round, you know, Josh Connerly is
now gone, Josh Simmons just to Philly, I'm sure Houston
is going to take ursery or a tackle there at

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the top of the second round. So yeah, they could
have traded back up. But we've been down that road before,
Like we've been down the road of let's try to
trade back up, and you can't always do it, like,
you can't always pull it off. They tried it last
year and they didn't pull it off. So how would
all of us have felt if they had taken you know,
a different player at four overall, Ashton genty or whatever,

(04:14:26):
and then we got to Day two of the draft
and they still didn't have a left tackle.

Speaker 7 (04:14:29):
It's easy to sit here and say those tackles went
very late, but that doesn't mean you could have gotten there, right, yeah, right, right,
don't so it doesn't mean you could have gotten there.

Speaker 5 (04:14:38):
And I would just say, I mean, the only Evan
laid it out pretty well. But I would say I
am excited about Will Campbell, And I mean some people
may not get excited about tackles, but I think he's
the kind of player that I can get excited for.
I'm excited to add him to that group, which I
just think, as I said, when they picked him, desperately
needed kind of a tone setter, kind of a guy.
And you could just see I mean everything. I mean,
we're looking again. They just showed another clip. I mean,

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it was one of the moments in the night was
Will Campbell getting teared up so excited to meet him tomorrow,
excited to get him here, and I think it's the
pick they needed to make and hopefully it works.

Speaker 7 (04:15:07):
Out all right.

Speaker 2 (04:15:07):
Well, that's a wrap on Round one. The Patriots have
Will Campbell. Tomorrow's a big day. Will Campbell will be
here and we'll have him in studio. We're gonna tape
an interview with him that we're gonna play on the
show later tomorrow night. We're gonna be live tomorrow starting
at seven o'clock for Round two. So join us then. But,

(04:15:30):
like I said, a big day of content here at
Patriots dot com because Will Campbell's in the house, so
we'll follow his journey all the way from Green Bay
back to here and everything that he does when he
gets here, including again stopping by the studio for an
interview that we'll have. Those are rowa was good meeting
that first round pick for the first time in person.

(04:15:51):
And then we'll be back here on the show at seven.
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