Patriots Unfiltered 4/25: Day 2 of NFL Draft, Will Campbell In-Studio, Ryan Cowden Interview

Tune-in as the PU crew covers the entirety of the second night of the 2025 NFL Draft. We react and discuss as the Patriots continue to bolster their offense, adding a running back, wide receiver and center to help Drake Maye. We give our opinions on moves being made around the draft, or lack thereof with Shedeur Sanders still undrafted. Plus, VP of Player Personnel Ryan Cowden joins the show at the end of the night to discuss their decision making behind the picks.

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Speaker 4 (00:15):
Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. How is the Giant's war room situation?
It looks like they're at the counter of a McDonald's.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Wait until water, guys, the friar leader's broken. It's just
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Speaker 5 (00:26):
Okay, Patriots Select, they heard your table pounding in a
Will Campbell. I'm a fighting ut to protect them with everything.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
We call it BTT. You're a bang the table, guys.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
You banged it before the thing even started.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
We'll have him in our studio. We'll do a one
on one with him, and we'll bring him in here,
live and in person.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Great day.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
Yeah, so I can gush all over it. He took it.
He took it in a dark place. Yeah, guy, that
looks like he's going to church. Let's get some fan reaction. Andrew,
how many have you had? This is Patriot's Unfiltered.

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Speaker 4 (01:20):
All right, Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Friday night.
Two of the NFL Draft. We're back and we'll be
back until ten o'clock tonight, maybe a little later depending
on what happens. Well, you know, we'll kind of play
it by youar. You know, things start to go berserk,
we can't just abandon shit, right.

Speaker 5 (01:38):
Zirk, and at least wait out our picks, right seventy seven?

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Yeah, it's Duce, it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, and
we're still glowing with the pickle. At least I am
of Will Campbell and we had a chance to sit
down with him today. So when we feel like it,
we'll play that for you. That was really cool.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
When are you gonna play it, Mike, when we feel.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Like we feel like it? When Fred decided but he
was making the rounds today with the crafts and his
family was here, mother and father, brother, girlfriend, a couple others. Agent.
I guess agents. Yeah, he's so good. He has two agents,
big guy. You know what, Freddy, good kid, good kid kid,
good kid, good stock comes from good stock. So we'll

(02:23):
play that interview, and uh see who else they picked tonight?
The Patriots, Sarah have the sixth pick in the second round,
and uh, I'm thinking I said before the show to
the guys, I think we're going to go offense tonight.
We're going to continue. We're picking with me for the.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
You into my role.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
We have AFS fourteen game.

Speaker 7 (02:45):
Yeah, I think it's a really important night though for
the team. Nice pick with Will Campbell filled a major need.
But tonight, I think is where the rubber meets the
road and you really need to hit some of these
picks out of the park.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
This is, you know, D two.

Speaker 7 (02:59):
This is where the good teams find the good players,
the guys that maybe have some wartz or have something
that's caused them not to be first round picks. This
is where your scouting staff makes their money, finds the gems.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
And I hope tonight that they do a little do
a little better.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Should it strictly be best player available from now on?

Speaker 8 (03:18):
I think so. But I think Duce just said exactly
what I was gonna say, very well said it. This
is this is where the men separate themselves from the boys.
That's what Fred likes to say. This is when you
know you got to get picks on Day two of
the draft are huge, Like it's one thing to sit
up there and take Will Campbell at four.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
Right.

Speaker 8 (03:37):
You know a lot of people could have done that. Now,
this is when you go out there and find those
hidden gems and find those guys that slip through the
cracks a little bit and be able to hit. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
I like the way you put it too. It's a
you know, the day two picks. You know that's you
gotta find players. It's a difference between making a good
pick in the first round. Like last year, everybody's happy
with Drake may it's a good pick, but they didn't
augment it with really much else. You need to find
some players tonight. Yeah, three picks you got thirty eight,
sixty nine, seventy seven. Got a hit on two of them.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
At least the same thing with two years ago.

Speaker 7 (04:11):
I mean, they've done a good job the last two
years hitting on these first round picks. I've had some luck,
some players have fallen to them and have picking in
the right draft year. But this is where you know,
these aren't the guys that aren't necessarily the gems or
the low round guys that you really need to you know,
sift through so much informa, Like, these.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Guys are all pretty good players.

Speaker 7 (04:31):
These are players that in the right situation, could be
star impact kind of players if they get around.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Whatever their concerns are.

Speaker 7 (04:37):
They were a little slow, they're their physical measurements were
a little bit below the standard or whatever it might be.
But there's a lot of good We don't have to
go through the list. You know, every year there are
great players that are drafted in the second and third round,
and then it's time to get some of those guys.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
Bill Belichick used to talk to us a little bit
back when he used to talk to us right, and
he would explain, he explained to Brian and I once
one hundred years ago, the third round in particular was
full of first round talents that for whatever reason are
not first round picks. That can be injuries, you know,

(05:10):
injury histories, you know, character issues. You know, maybe something
from a physical standpoint that doesn't quite measure up. You know,
something like just to use something near and dear to
our hearts, like arm size for a tackle. You know,
maybe the guy didn't quite measure up to the the
you know, the standard norm. So he's a third round pick,

(05:32):
but he's good enough to be a first round pick.
And he said the third round in particular was littered
with those guys you just got you gotta find them,
and you got to find the ones that that hit.
You know, you got to find the gronks in the
second round and you know instead of you know, a
guy that maybe you took a chance, you know, like
a Malcolm Mitchell in the third round, who had came
in with injury problems. Clearly had the ability to play,

(05:54):
but the injury problems weren't enough. You know, he wasn't
able to overcome them enough to be a long term solution.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
I think that the ability for players to move around
the transfer portal makes it easier or harder to to
scout them and to judge them and project them into
the NFL, because now they can get to a situation
where I can play now, you know, like I don't
like the reps I'm getting, I don't like where I
am on the depth chart. I can move to a
team and you know, start or whatever. That is that

(06:24):
better for the NFL scouts.

Speaker 7 (06:26):
I mean, I've got a lot of different thoughts on that,
on both sides of the equation, because I think on
one hand, you look at players maybe, oh they're facing
some adversity and they're not really going to have to
face it. They're just going to pick up, you know,
and go and go somewhere else. But I also think
you have bigger sample size on guys. You have them
playing for different coaches, different systems. They're you know, sometimes
guys are going from small leagues to now they're playing

(06:47):
in the SEC. You know, a player had one year
in the SEC and now you get a look at
him against the league competition. So it's a great question.
It's a great question, Fred, because I see both sides
of it. I think, ultimately, though, you want more of
a sample side on the player, and you just want
to expect that if they face the adversity.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Okay, I would not hold like you mentioned, like, oh,
it faces adversity just you know, takes his ball and
goes home. I don't look at it that way. I
look at it as I want to play. I want
to play, and for whatever reason, the coach thinks this
person is better than me. We've all been through it.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
I don't think that's the majority of guys that transfer,
You don't think. I don't think they transfer for playing time.
They transfer for money.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
But I, oh, yeah, yeah, but they you don't get
the money unless you play.

Speaker 5 (07:32):
No, you get more money when you transfer to another place.
There's open bidding for these guys in the portal. That's
what it's all about.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
So you don't think that they do it because I want.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
To, you know, because I'm not telling you this is
zero like you. I thought Mike made a really good
comparison guys that transfer up a level, and I just
blurred it out. Jared Versu in the middle. He went
to Albany and the CIA, and then he ended up
transferring to Florida State, which put him on a much
bigger scale and a bigger spotlight. That worked out for him.
I would say it's probably harder for the NFL teams

(08:03):
to scout the guys, but it's definitely better for the
players because they get more of an opportunity to play.
Like Freddie is saying, you know, maybe they're not used
the right way. Some guys, I'm sure transfer for football reasons.
I think it's a small percentage. I think it's mostly
financial nowadays, the last three or four years, since the
advent of the nil stuff. I think they're just going

(08:25):
to the highest bidder, especially in basketball, but football too. Quarterbacks. Yeah,
I mean, look what the Tennessee kid just did trying
to hold his school up for hostage. You know, Nico,
I'm not even gonna try to pronounce the last name.
But from a I think from a scout standpoint, that's
probably difficult because you develop relationships with coaching staffs. You know,

(08:47):
you're scouting in an area, you know those teams. Maybe
I'm following this guy in my area and now all
of a sudden, he's not in my area anymore. So
I have all this information on this guy, and now
I got to send him to the different scout he's
got to. So I think it's probably harder to establish
those consistent relationships with it. You know, how does this
guy fit in Nick Saban system? As an example, Now

(09:08):
all of a sudden, he's not a Nick Saban system anymore.
You know, probably makes it a little bit more challenging
for teams.

Speaker 8 (09:14):
Yeah, I would think that it would be harder to
Paul's points, but I'd have heard that there's people that
feel like learning how different players are going to assimilate
to different situations can be a good way to just
see how to guys adjust, how do guys learn new systems,
how do they absorb playbooks, like how are they able
to get themselves up and running in a different system,

(09:37):
in a different scheme, and that can be good from
that standpoint. Or maybe you know, you really like the
small school guy. You thought that he was kind of
like a hidden gem. He's Jared Verse. He goes to
Florida State and now you get to see him against
even better competition. But I'm surprised that there are a
lot of people out there in the scouting community that
actually like it because of the diversity in the assimilation process.

(10:01):
And they say it's a lot like the NFL. You know,
you're negotiating a contract essentially in the NIL portal and
you have to go it's basically going through free agency,
but just in college, and that does maybe help.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
And Paul's probably right, and probably a lot of these
guys do it to make the money. But for those
guys who like they're not happy with they're playing time
and they want to move to I get that totally.
I think to come to college to spend all this
all my free time being on the sports team to
just watch I want to play. I want to play.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
We are underway, by the way.

Speaker 8 (10:34):
Yeah, the Browns have made a pick.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Oh they had Okay, Yeah, so.

Speaker 8 (10:37):
The Browns took Carson Sweeshinger linebacker Linda from New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Wow, it's interesting.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
So you don't like him, no.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
I mean he's an interesting story.

Speaker 7 (10:48):
I mean he was basically a special teams player the
last year and then he had like, you know, one
hundred and fifty tackles or something crazy like that. I
think he led fbs in in in those but I
don't know, just an interesting pick.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Again, defensive side of the ball.

Speaker 7 (11:00):
You just took Mason Graham, now you're going to put
him in that So, I mean they seem really focused
on their defense, which I thought was pretty good, and
that again the offense.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
I just who's on the offense still, Jerry Judy, that's
what we got. We got to joke. That's a good
one too.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
So a lot of people speculated yesterday that now that
Cleveland got what they did in the first round, now
they'll take Sanda, Right, that's what it's kind of. But
that may not be the case.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
I think that they told you and the top of
the first round they're not really interested in Sanders.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Well at the top of the first round.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
No, but I don't I think if they liked him
as a quarterback, you take them. Yeah, I think someone will.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Probably take now it's more like a Garoppolo.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
I think someone will take Shad with Sanders tonight. But
I don't think it's going to be like.

Speaker 8 (11:46):
Yeah, you know, well at this point too, you know,
just there's only so many musical chairs, right, like if
you're there's only so many teams that need the quarterback,
that are looking for quarterbacks, and so if the Browns
keep passing on them, that's one that needs a quarterback. Pittsburgh,
I guess, is the other team that needs a quarterback.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
I don't pick until the round round three, right, right,
but maybe New Orleans.

Speaker 9 (12:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (12:07):
Yeah, New Orleans is a chance, but he could be
a third round pick.

Speaker 7 (12:10):
And so like so it's like, let's say shut goes
above him, or like, at what point do we say,
why do we spend so much time talking about sdor Sanders?

Speaker 4 (12:17):
Now?

Speaker 1 (12:18):
So that's not that good round pick.

Speaker 5 (12:20):
And I was telling you guys, it was listening to
some of the stuff this morning, the passionate arguments saying
the exact same words but with two completely different meanings.
We're only talking about him sliding because of his last name,
as opposed to weren't taken was because of his last name,
like both sides so dug in that it's he got

(12:43):
snubbed because he's a Sanders or we're only talking about
him because he's a Sanders, you know, and who knows
who's right. You know, it's totally diametrical opposites.

Speaker 8 (12:53):
So the pick is in now for the Texans, So
we're moving pretty quickly. They did not take an offensive,
and they took Jayden Higgins from Iowa stay, they took
a wide receiver, they.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
Took the guy out.

Speaker 8 (13:09):
So now it looks like Ursery might actually end up
being on the board at thirty eight. At this point,
I mean, we'll see if he goes in the next
couple of picks, but that'll be one second, guess, you
know it look back on it to kind of compare
and contrast.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
And we think we have a trade. The Seahawks have
traded with the Titans.

Speaker 8 (13:29):
Yeah, the Seahawks are on the clock.

Speaker 7 (13:30):
Yeah, yep, So maybe that's maybe that's Ursery, But I mean,
I think you saw Houston last year after they lost
Tank Dell really struggled Stefan Diggs left, he's here now.
It seems like they're you know, continuing to stuck up.
I just always think it's interesting what Nick Cassario's doing
with his background here and how he kind of views
the draft.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Seeing some of the trades that all. That seems kind
of Belichick.

Speaker 7 (13:51):
But I mean maybe this is kind of a sweet
spot though for Patriots type thinking for wide receiver. I mean,
I always like this little place right here for the
wide receiver. I think it's a it's a good spot
for them.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Continue.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
So who do you think the Seahawks moved up for.

Speaker 7 (14:04):
I mean maybe Ursery. It's as good a bet of
any It's hard to see.

Speaker 8 (14:09):
The ed drushers. They are still there potentially too. But yeah,
I like where your headsat with Jayden Higgins, Mike just
Tank Dell goes down, that Nico Collins goes down last
year too, you lose to Von Diggson free agency. You know,
Higgins can play off of Nico Collins is more of
like a big slot potentially, you know, chain mover, possession
receiver doesn't have to be the downfield guy in that offense.

(14:31):
I can see what they're going for now they I'm.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Going to study your size.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
I'm going to stun you because you know what I
think of you know, the offensive line. But wasn't the
biggest problem last year that could not protect CJ. Stroud
and they got rid of arguably the best offensive lineman
and they haven't.

Speaker 7 (14:47):
I mean we all kind of assumed, oh, they're going
to just swap them out and put one of these
other tackles.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
The pick in for Seattle, you know.

Speaker 8 (14:52):
Yeah, so they traded number fifty two in number eighty
two to go to number thirty five.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
Okay, fifty two. Any chance that Seahawks are in the
door Sanders market?

Speaker 5 (15:06):
Sure, yeah, I mean absolutely. I don't know why you
would trade up for him, but yeah, they could take absolutely.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Cleveland is right behind him, so maybe.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
But I think Cleveland is like Cleveland is broadcasting to
everybody that they don't want them, Like why wouldn't you
take them if you wanted them?

Speaker 4 (15:22):
Because you didn't want to spend you didn't want them there,
I don't.

Speaker 5 (15:25):
Know, four picks, two picks later, you want them.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
I mean, I'm sure that, like I keep bringing up Garoppolo,
I'm sure the Patriots like Garoppolo, they're just never we're
going to take them. In the first round, but we'll
take them in the second round.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
I mean, I just but they just took a second
rounder and didn't take them. This is what I'm trying
to say. They're trying to let people know that they're not. Now,
maybe they're just trying to I could, I could. I
could absolutely see Seattle taking them. No, I mean, you
signed Sam Darnold.

Speaker 7 (15:50):
Well, i'd feel bad for him. What did you like, Sam,
here's the guy, but now you got this thing hanging.

Speaker 5 (15:55):
Here's the quarterback. But you know, you take a developmental backup.
I mean, that doesn't I don't think that that necessarily
makes anything bad for.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
By the way, last night's show we got the numbers in,
was the highest watched draft show that we've ever done.

Speaker 5 (16:11):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
So I want to thank everybody for watching last night.
The highest draft show that we've ever done. We've done
a lot of draft shows. We've done a lot of.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
You gotta think Rivers and Tides was high. But that's
just me.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
Well, if people had known we were going to get
into that fight at.

Speaker 8 (16:26):
The time, and so the Seahawks picks in, it's Paul's guy,
Nick Amnewery. Oh there you go, out safety goes to Seattle, so.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Woh, treat it up.

Speaker 7 (16:36):
Gotta have them, gotta have them, have them, gotta kid
not get them.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
A lot of guys had a first round grader and
just because Evan didn't like, I mean, no one else.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
Bugler had a He was in the top thirty two.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
Number seventeen.

Speaker 8 (16:51):
I will fully be accepting that I could be very
wrong about him. Besides the athletic testing, I just didn't
see it on the field.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
It so it's funny I'm to be in full disclosure
here because everyone was so adamant last time. I was like,
may maybe I'm just I missing. So I read a
little bit of stuff about him today and about the
only real negatives I could find was that some people
question how he would sort of take some time off,
like it wasn't didn't always play with the same urgency,
you know, so maybe the motor wasn't always there, not

(17:22):
a Mike Verbel guy. But what, oh Jesus when when
we when we played, Because you know, there's a lot
of coaches in the league that like players who take
time off some more forgiving you know what, I don't
need you in the second quarter. I don't worry about
the first case yourself. So I did. I did read
that as a negative that you know, sometimes he plays

(17:42):
like a bat out of hell, coming up and stopping
the run, and other times, you know, sort of allowed
himself to get blocked and wasn't quite as noticeable. But yeah,
when you see him play and you watch his highlights,
I was really good.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (17:55):
I think that the things that I saw with him
were just when he was basically playing in space as
like a free safety type or even in the robber role.
You know, the more in space he was, the more
rigid and stiff he was as a mover. If you
play him in the box close to the line of scrimmage,
you play him over the slot, have him covered tight ends,
like do that sort of stuff like almost like you know,

(18:16):
a Kyle Duggar or a.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
Jeremy Chin against Mason Taylor in one.

Speaker 8 (18:21):
Yeah, I think he could do stuff like that if
you ask him to ballhawk and like play over the
top of the defense or play in the middle of
the defense as like a zone defender. I just thought
that the tape was pretty was pretty rough, and I
didn't see the open field speed you know that he
tested with really translating I'll be wrong on him if
I'm wrong on him. I just I think that there

(18:43):
he got really hyped in this process because of how
good of a workout he had at the Combine, and
I thought that he was kind of in this range
more than where he was being discussed.

Speaker 7 (18:52):
Do you see like a fit for him in the
Mike McDonald ravens kind of style of defense.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Well, they're probably.

Speaker 8 (18:58):
Thinking that he's Kyle Hamilton to point zh and I
just thought Kyle Hamilton's instincts and ability to play in
space were way better than I'm and worry like, I
think like he's more like Jamal Adams than he is
Kyle Hamilton. But we'll see.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
So do we know who these Seahawks picked?

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, that's that's some worry, right, Yes.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
Okay, the player we just spent the last time I
talk about. So, I just I really did you know?
Cleveland came right back up and I was really sweating
it out after. I was so adamant to you that
they weren't going to take Sanders and they didn't. But
another strange pick to me, Quinn John Judkins instead of
Travon Henderson.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Oh that's what.

Speaker 5 (19:37):
Yeah, I took Quinn Judkins at thirty six that I
was like to me, it's almost like I thought they
should have taken genty at five. You could have gotten
genty light. Yeah, right at whatever the thirty six and
they went with kind I mean good running back. John
Kins is not a stiff. I don't want to make
it out to be that. I think he's He's not good,
but I think Anderson is the better player than.

Speaker 8 (19:59):
You guys a little bit. Yeah, I think they were.
It was a coin flip for a team, Like a
lot of people had them kind of neck and neck
and sort of a flavor thing like Judkins is more
kind of one warrant. Yeah, Judkins is an angry runner,
like he's a downhill angry runner. He's gonna run people over,
he's gonna wants.

Speaker 5 (20:16):
Yeah, he's a tone setter.

Speaker 8 (20:18):
Henderson's uh, you know, Breese Hal Jamir Gibbs. Like he's
a space player. He's an explosive player. So if you
if you wanted you know more of I think Judkins
can probably fit more in like a volume role as
an early down running back and somebody that could probably
tote the rock a little bit more. But Henderson's going
to be the guy that's going to make the bigger plays.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
So so who on uh the Twitter is getting the
picks early?

Speaker 8 (20:41):
A lot of people are a lot of people. Yeah,
I think most people try to stay off tipping, uh
you know, on night one, to just kind of let
the spectacle happen. But now tonight, I think all the
gloves are off.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yeah, just kind So the Browns have picked their guy,
The Raiders are up the hole, and then the Patriots
Patriots are on deck as we speak.

Speaker 5 (21:02):
So I mean, because there a guy for the Patriots
and I know they're only on deck, but guy that
you'd really like to see Jalen Nole.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Uh Ezeraku Scordon, those are those are the two?

Speaker 4 (21:15):
Pretty nice to take the BC kid, Yeah, I think
the Jalen Knowle here, Yeah, I would.

Speaker 8 (21:20):
Luther Burden is still there. I think I assume that
Luther Burden is off a lot of people's boards.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
I like, but I'm just assuming that, yeah, something's up,
he's off.

Speaker 8 (21:29):
Yeah, yeah, Azeraku makes a ton of sense.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
I would rather pick Burden. I just want to state
that before we make the pick. I don't want to
get called a fraud when we pick Burden. I'm like
oh great, yea, because I like Burden better. But clearly
there's something about him that's causing him.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
Get a wide receiver room that you think needed some maturity.
Maybe he's not the best person to bring into it.

Speaker 7 (21:49):
Yeah, ye I've you've added digs though, and I would
hope that you know he's going to bring in just
an element of setting the bar high and reinforcing some
of those expectations.

Speaker 8 (21:58):
Yeah, I think ask who you know makes a ton
of sense for them. Boston College kid, they had probably
a great intel on him, tested really well, had sixteen
sacks last year at BC, second in the FBS and sacks.
I think that he has the type of play, you know,
style that fits him. I actually compared him to Harold Landry.

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I think they're similar players in the way that they run,
they Russian in the way that they win. So I
could see that making a lot of sense.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
You know.

Speaker 8 (22:26):
When we were at Boston College for his pro day,
Bill O'Brien said that Doug Marone did a lot of
behind the scenes stuff with Eziraku and was working with
him behind the scenes on this is what the linemen
are going to do to you? So how do how
are you going to counter what an offensive lineman is
going to do to you, that type of thing. So
he has a pretty good relationship with the player, knows

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him pretty well. So if I had to guess if
they're going to go edge, I think as Iraku makes
a ton of sense. Maybe running back here, maybe they
go Trayvon Henderson.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
What I hope for? Yeah? Wait, a couple emails at
podcasts at Patriots dot com, Ryan in Nebraska, here's what
I'd like to see in wonder your thoughts at thirty
eight or a slight trade back og preferably Ratledge from Georgia.
But I'm intrigued by Millim in savanaa running back top
of the third. My prediction, however, at thirty eight is

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an Ohio running back. So despite what he wants, he
thinks they're gonna take an Ohio State running back Henderson. Yep, yeah,
I wouldn't hate.

Speaker 5 (23:28):
I wouldn't hate that bit.

Speaker 7 (23:29):
I'd I just I think it's a little soon for
another guard. Yeah, just at some point you gotta let
those guys compete. I'm not against it. Maybe a little
bit farther down, but for right now, I want I
want to take a swing.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
Maybe Andre in New Jersey. First thing, Evan was on fire.
And I'm not just saying about his heated arguments, but
the way he dressed yesterday was very sharp. Unlike the
rest of you guys, they will say, I'm very disappointed
with the wardrobe. I know Paul can't afford a new car,
but I expected better of him. As for the pick,
I loved it. We needed a stud and that's exactly

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what we got. As for the fans that call in,
why the hell can't you ever be pleased and always whining?
Just be happy with the pick and for May not
to be killed this season. Also, Evan, happy that you
get to go to Kendrick Lamar and I'm going next month.
He's my second favorite rapper behind eminem.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Oh good picks.

Speaker 8 (24:23):
Thank you for all the compliments.

Speaker 5 (24:24):
I appreciate you love the chastising with the people who
don't agree with him. Why can't you just be happy
with the pick? I don't know.

Speaker 8 (24:33):
Yeah, no, that that's That's exactly what I was going
to say, Like, it's not not everybody has to be
happy about the pick. If you didn't like the player,
you didn't like him, you know we're all happy.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
It doesn't mean, you have to be negativity that's in
this town sucks.

Speaker 10 (24:46):
I agree.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
Rick Rick backer from Uvalde, Texas Dolphins, are the trade
the Dolphins traded. Okay, a while back, you wondered how
different mock drafts from December January were to the actual draft.
This is a mock draft by Field Yates from December eleventh,
twenty twenty four, which means the draft order hadn't been set.
Interesting takeaways Number one Giants Chador Sanders, two Raiders Cam Ward,

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three Patriots Travis Hunter in forour Carolina Abdul Carter.

Speaker 7 (25:16):
So yeah, that was I mean, that was the period
where you feel like we're feeling out the quarterbacks. And
we talked about a little yesterday, we're cam Hoard all
of a sudden, because I would say after that, there
was i'd me when you thought it was Carter.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
At the end of the football season, it was Sanders Ward, Yeah,
and then once you got into combine season, it was
Ward Sanders in the quarterback rankings. Now, Sanders I think
has continued now once you started getting into the combine
in the interviews and then the thirty visits and everything else,
I think Sanders has gone even lower.

Speaker 8 (25:50):
So Patriots are on the clock. Dolphins have made the pick.
They're taking Jonas Savanilla, the guard from Arizona. So they
jumped the one up to above the Patriots to take
a guard. So the Patriots are now on the cloth.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
It feels like we're a little all over the place.

Speaker 7 (26:05):
I mean, I'm just I got Brugler's top one hundred
years to cross off and kind of keep track a
little bit. But you're getting now into guys. It seems
like as as we knew coming into this draft, a
lot of people set it in the lead up that
there's just a lot of similarities in this would second
like right, so it's it's I think you're gonna sit
st jumping all over Fitz draft.

Speaker 8 (26:23):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, seventy is a perfectly
fine player. I think it's interesting in that offense because
he's a big dude, like he's kind of built like
Mike onn Wentu. So outside zone scheme with a player
that's playing at three thirty, three hundred and forty pounds
not typically the type of lineman that those types of offenses
like to take, so it's an interesting fit. You know,

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he's a really good athlete, but he's still built the
way he's built. I'm interested to see what are there
going on.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
I like that trade because I was worried that the
Raiders would take a receiver. Okay, so I'm glad that
Miami jumped in front of him and took a guard
because I don't think the Patriots would take it guard right.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well, I mean some people think they would.

Speaker 8 (27:04):
I guess maybe the Dolphins did. I mean, seventy is
their type of player. He's more their type of player
than Miami's type of player. That's why I'm kind of surprised.
I think he's a good player, So I'm not trying
to kill the player.

Speaker 5 (27:14):
Yeah, I'm not killing the pick.

Speaker 8 (27:15):
I don't I don't understand the scheme when you see
big and powerful and you see three hundred and twenty
four pounds next to his name, and then you're gonna
put him and have him running in that offense like
we went outside zone and trying to get outside the
hashes and and run the ball to the perimeter and
things like that.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
He's a big boy, big dude, so he's one to have.

Speaker 7 (27:34):
Like he's one right right tackle in college and he
just going right inside the guard, there's not even a question.

Speaker 8 (27:38):
With Yeah, most likely. I think that if he was
in the right type of system, like if he was
in a downhill scheme, then he probably could have played
right tackle in the NFL. He's got the length, he's
got the athleticism for it. But my guess is that
he's probably going to be best at guard. But I
think he probably could have held up at right tackle
if a team wanted to keep him out there.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
Yeah, there's been a lot lot of offensive eyes just tweeted,
you know, if the Dolphins needed linement and they were
running out alignment, So maybe that's why they just said
we got to go up and get one. Yeah, before
they're all gone, I'm just just sing them with ursery.

Speaker 7 (28:09):
I mean, that's, you know, another potential option for them
that they passed on.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
But Patriots are on the clock. Reck writes in from Dallas,
fantastic show. It's obvious why the viewership grows every year.
You guys are by far the best draft coverage out there.
Can you expand on anything you're hearing on the potential
for Cavan Tibbitt, the bow Thibodeau being available if the

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reporting is true and he might be available for a
third or fourth, should the Patriots have any interest.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
I don't know about that. I thought I saw reporting
last night that they were still planning to pick up
his option, and.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
I know that he was very excited about the pick,
at least publicly.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
NASCAR package.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
Yeah, I mean, I made that comment last night. The
Giants have had a lot of success with multiple edged
kind of players.

Speaker 8 (28:57):
Yeah, I mean, I can see it. Like I said
last night, Abdul Carter is one of those guys that's
a chess piece. You move them around the defensive front.
He doesn't have to just rush off the edge. He
can play off the ball, he can play inline over
the garden center like he's a Micah Parsons. He's a
chess piece.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
And one of the things that people have been critical
of Carter about, you know, in terms of his red
flags his character, he doesn't you know, play the run
as well. Yeah, he's not as not as committed to
play in the run. So well, maybe you don't ask
him to, at least initially, and you ask him to
be strictly a pass rusher off the edge, and you
play Thibodeau more on the edge on early downs, and

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I don't think Thibodeau is necessarily known as a run
stopper either, But I think you can find a way
to get three talented players on the field.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (29:44):
So, yeah, the clock is they're letting the clock tick
a little bit with this pick.

Speaker 7 (29:48):
Seems like there's a lot activity going on with trades
and stuff. I assume they're probably taking calls trying to
measure what.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, we're under.

Speaker 8 (29:53):
Two minutes on the clock right now for the Patriots and.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Pedro and Rio. Evans comments yesterday about some players not
getting the opportunity to attempt to play tackle even though
the league doesn't have enough made me change my opinion
about Campbell.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
That's what he did to me.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
One, not about Campbell, but about the whole Dutch, the
whole history of the short arm tackle.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
One thing is for sure, his body is odd. Doesn't
look like a tackle. He looks like a chubby kid
that got put on a man's six y five body,
and yet somehow he's one of the most athletic tackles
ever based on combine numbers. Now, I'm all for it.
Evan's comments really hit me. Get me a wide receiver today.

Speaker 8 (30:27):
Yeah, I don't think he's chubby at all. I mean,
he was in here with us and he's that's a
that's a Charle Taldrins.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Sort of a cherubic face.

Speaker 8 (30:35):
Yeah, well he is only twenty one.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Yeah, he's young.

Speaker 8 (30:38):
Yeah, but he I mean he's all he's every bit
of six six three twenty when he was in here
with us.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
The fact that he's like my son's age is really
kind of blown me away, a little bit, a little old.
He's like six months older than my son.

Speaker 8 (30:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what cock's still ticking?

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Louis wants to know what.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
He blames a lot on genetics.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
So Louis wants to know what it would take to
move up to get Luther Burden. I don't think you're
gonna have to. If you want him him right now,
you want him, you can have him.

Speaker 7 (31:06):
Oh there's there's no socks, no socks live.

Speaker 8 (31:12):
You're right right in the corner waiting. I don't know,
this is interesting. We're under a minute. Yeah, they're really
taking We're.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
Going to pass. Belichick is back. We're going to pass.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
So I have this google sheet that the NFL maintains,
and I can't make any changes to it. It's a tracker,
but I can see when the person's about to do something,
and he just highlighted the Patriots block for the player.
But because now I don't see any typing yet in yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
The red light is on him.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Is I know it is. I don't know it is
trying to stay off. I did not have it. Have
it broken you by slack or Twitter?

Speaker 5 (31:56):
But uh, there's nothing on it, Mike.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
Yeah, there's something going on.

Speaker 8 (32:03):
So I think that we're going to get some help
for Drake may.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Oh and.

Speaker 8 (32:14):
Not just say it. Yeah, go ahead. Traveon Henderson running
back from Ohio State. So explosive, big play running back.
I've compared him a little bit to Jamiir Gibbs. I
don't think he's quite Jamiir Gibbs, maybe more in the
breeze hall mold, but that similar archetype of those two guys.
He's a explosive, big play, loose mover. I mean, this

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guy can catch the ball out of the backfield. He's
gonna hit big plays in the run game. This is
a really nice pairing. I would say with Ramandre Stevenson,
you know, a little thunder and lightning action going on here.
I would assume that he's going to play a lot
on third down. His pass blocking tape was pretty solid
as well. I love the player. I'm really crazy about
the player. I had him on my big board. I

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didn't know they would go running back this early. I did,
but I was just so infatuated with the player that
I felt like he had to be on there and
I would be really excited about it. So I love
this pick for the Patriots. I loved him before the draft.
It's a big play machine, so they got some explosiveness
that coming.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
I like to pick a lot.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
I mean, even though it's a running back pall.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
It's a playmaking running back though. And this is where
like I didn't use the fifth pick on the fourth
pick to get them, I'm getting him in the second round. Okay,
perfectly fine. I think it's a really good pick.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
We've talked a lot about the running back position in
the draft. How do you manage it?

Speaker 7 (33:33):
Said over the last few days, they've got to come
away with a running back in this draft. Whether it's today,
whether it's tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
There's a lot of good backs.

Speaker 7 (33:41):
I like what they did just this is kind of
what we talked about with teams at the end of
the first round where you see what falls through the
cracks and then you make a move on what makes
the most sense of your team. I think this is
like Evan said, I think it's a slam dunk for them.
It's another help for Drake.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
May NFL draft the New England Patriots select.

Speaker 7 (34:14):
But I go back to I go back to last year,
you know, with Elliot Wolf saying needed to weaponize the offense,
and I feel like that's.

Speaker 5 (34:20):
That's weaponized offense, you know, with digs.

Speaker 7 (34:23):
With this now with getting protection, feels like they're checking
the boxes that they really needed to check in.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
You know, I still think there needs to be filled.
But this is a guy who moves the needle for
the team.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
See that first thing that he wrote there, Freddy, what's
that elite pass pro? Okay, so what does that tell
you for Josh McDaniels.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
He wants him as his passing.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
Back, speedback, passing back playmaker who can pass protect.

Speaker 8 (34:45):
I mean, when this guy can literally make things happen.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
That's a route down the field. It's not just like
you know, tell people what you There was a little
double move on the outside, kind of reminiscent of James White,
where you know, sort of lining up one on one
with a linebacker, abusing them with a pass route, not
just swinging out of the backfield, and kept in sixty
five passes for sixty eight yards the way they've done
in the past, the recent past, with their backs. This

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guy's I really like this pick a lot for You're
not gonna make me like.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
You're not putting me in a corner.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
No, I didn't like.

Speaker 5 (35:18):
I like it because because you always tried to start
at the beginning of this show telling me I didn't
like the Will Campbell pick, which I did.

Speaker 8 (35:25):
Yeah, I just I think when you watch, you know,
running backs like Jamior Gibbs, running backs like Burisse Hall
around the NFL, and you see guys that can get
into space and just make things happen. And that's what
Traveon Henderson is. He is a space back, he's a speedback.
He's an explosive, big playmaker. I really just thought watching
him on tape in the College Football Playoff, in particular,

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the way that he was destroying pursuit angles by really
good defenses and really good high level of competition was
extremely impressive. And I love the pick. I love the player.
I'm pretty excited about what they're doing here offense because
Will Campbell a really good run blocking left tackle as
well as a good pass blocker. Now you get a

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speedback in the backfield too, Like this is trying to
help out Drake May. I know it's not a receiver
per se, you know, a classic pass catcher, but all
these pieces that they're adding are helping Drake May.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
So barring any trade, we've got a ways to go.
The Patriots will pick fifth in the third round.

Speaker 7 (36:23):
If I may, Fred, if I may. The NFL just
made an announcement about some new uniforms that are coming
this year. Oh you don't mind if I'm sure there
will be many fans interested in this because the AFC
East is in fact one of the first teams. I'll
just read it a little bit about it. NFL and
Nike launch rivalries program with new uniforms and fan gear
inspired by communities.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
What's to know Rivalries. The NFL and Nike's.

Speaker 7 (36:46):
New uniform and fan gear program will elevate NFL rivalry
games over the next four seasons. The first cohort of
rivalry teams are from the AFC East and the NFC West.
Will wear uniforms born from local community insights during select
home games.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Against division right, like City connect for like City Connects.

Speaker 7 (37:02):
So the Patriots, yes, folks, they will have new uniforms
in this rivalry program.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
How often are they going to wear them?

Speaker 1 (37:08):
It sounds like over the next four years and select
home games against division rivals, So Patriots against the throwback.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Is an addition in addition to Color Rush.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Well I don't know color Rush exists anymore, but yeah,
well throwback sure, And it said over the next four seasons,
so they'll be releasing I guess two divisions each year.
But yeah, Patriots are first up.

Speaker 7 (37:32):
And so yeah, guys, we are getting some new uniforms
for the twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Wow, that's exciting. I know everyone everyone's been clamoring.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
I know, I know.

Speaker 7 (37:40):
Well it's some big news there too. So yeah, back
to back, get a ring back, you get a new uniforms.

Speaker 5 (37:45):
All right, like a whole new uniform or a new uniform.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
It's called the rivalry uniform.

Speaker 7 (37:50):
And again Paul inspired by the community, so inspired by
New England.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
As okay with these, so we're gonna have like lobsters
and right, just be a giant lobster uniform.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
All right, so the only drawback here is a difficult
first name to type. Now, I'm not happy with the
random capitol letters.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Hey, you go.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
It's not that. It's not that bad.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Thanks, I'm gonna need device myself.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
Fuess not that.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
So we've added a left tackle and we've added a
running back. Uh, and that'll be it for a while.
We've got a you know, Patriots next pick is at
sixty nine. There could be a trade, you never know,
you could. You can come back up. They have two
picks in the third round. But in the meantime, as
I said at the top of the show, we did

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have a chance to sit down with Will Campbell earlier
today as he made his rounds through the building and
Matt Morrell, if if we're ready to go, let's let's uh,
let's watch that number one pick, fourth overall, Will Campbell,

(38:59):
Will welcome to the Patriots. I know you've been through
the car wash, so I know it's been a long day,
so we're not going to keep you too long, but
we appreciate you stopping in.

Speaker 11 (39:07):
Yeah, no doubt, I'm super excited to be here. It's
an honor to represent this organization. And I just can't
wait for the future.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
So it's Mike, it's Evan, it's Paul, I'm Fred. We're
in house. So you're you're safe here. Don't worry about it. Safe,
no doubt you were. We have what we call BTT guys.
Would you happen to know what that is? That's a
bang the table guy. So we were banging the table
for Will Campbell before the draft.

Speaker 11 (39:35):
I'd like to hear that.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
Yeah, I like to hear. We were all sold on
you being our left tackle, so we're excited about that.
So guys jumping, I mean, I gotta jump in.

Speaker 7 (39:43):
Well, just we watched you last night, right after you
were selected, and we watched you walk to the stage
and you were interviewed briefly and then you got emotional.
I think we've felt the emotion there for you. I mean,
just now we have a little bit of time away
from that.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
What was last night like for you?

Speaker 1 (39:57):
What a whirlwind it all was?

Speaker 11 (39:58):
He I mean, it was amazing. I put a lot
of work into, you know, last night, and you know,
for me to be able to hear my name and
hear my name called early and you know, be able
to represent you know this organization, you know, with the
history that's behind this place, the championships, be able to
play for coach Variabel. It's everything I could have asked
for to, you know, be in this best position possible.

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And I'm just super excited to get to work, meet
my new teammates, meet all of them, you know, build
that relationship with not only them but the coaches, and
just get back to playing ball.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
So I'm trying to wrap my head around Will Campbell.
How do you describe your play style? I'm violent, nasty,
you know, really physical player and this common measured, you know,
sort of way that you you answer the questions, and
you're really thoughtful and just even killed. How do you

(40:52):
mix those two things on and off the field. It
seems like your personalities are very different.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
You can see that switch under his armpitch.

Speaker 11 (40:58):
Okay, okay, yes, my dad always talked about you got
to be able to flip the switch, be the cool, calm,
collected guy off the field. But whenever it's time to go,
they need to see a different you. And that's just
what I try to do. I try to be the
guy you know that's just a normal dude off the field.
I'm just like everybody else. I want to, you know,
be able to interact with people. I want people to

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you know, know that I'm personable. I can really conversate
with whoever it might be. And but on the field,
you know it's time to go. And that's just kind
of the mentality going.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
To try that, Freddy, I'm always Paul goes from zero
to high like that.

Speaker 8 (41:33):
We've heard the story now a million times about you
putting Rabel on his butt during the workout, which I love.
But I remember watching your tap against Texas A and
M and you took Nick scoring and you tort them
right out of the gap. He's two hundred and sixty pounds, right,
So when I heard that story about Rabel, I thought
of that block. But is there any other blocks that
stand out to you in your career at LSU that

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are some of your favorites or to highlight reels or
anything like that.

Speaker 11 (41:58):
I mean, I feel like I had a couple of
good ones. I don't really remember you know each of
them specifically, Yes, you do, not not enough, you know,
but Uliss, she was everything I could have ever asked for,
you know, in a university. I tried to represent it
in the best way possible, and I'm just super thankful
for everything that they did for me and my family,

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you know, my three years there, and you know, even
though I'm a long way from Louisiana, I will still
represent the right way.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
Yeah, forget about football for a second. I want to
talk about the sporting goods compy store that you've been
in your family for a long time. How cool was
that growing up? Like you just walk inside, I need
a new baseball club. And my father owned a hardware store,
so all I could get was paint, you know.

Speaker 11 (42:39):
So you know, yeah, no doubt. I mean, whenever I
would go in and I'd be like, Mom, I need
new shoes, she'd be like, that's not.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
How it worked.

Speaker 11 (42:49):
That's how it's working today, you knew, and she would
she would usually take care of me. But yeah, it
was definitely pretty cool. My grandpa started that. I think
he had probably about seven or eight stores now is
down one right down the street from my high school,
probably about three or four minute drive from my house.
My mom, you know, a few other people have been
working there for a long time, so it's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
Yeah, that is I think that'd just be cool. And
you get a lot of friends too. Hey, well, can you.

Speaker 11 (43:13):
Be all the drama goes out?

Speaker 5 (43:15):
Ye?

Speaker 11 (43:16):
Hear everything in there.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
The high school stuff. I wanted to ask you about
Andrew Whitworth and your he I think he went to
the same high school. Now we went to Rival okay
Rival High School, but he was someone you really looked
up to, you know, being from your area.

Speaker 11 (43:31):
Yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
I think.

Speaker 11 (43:32):
You know, whenever you're a young, aspiring offensive lineman and
you know you want to be the best, you look
at guys like him and Cam Robinson, even though they
went to the rival high school that I don't really
care for too much. I'd probably say some vulgar words
about him if we weren't on air, but yeah, I
mean they did it the right way. They went about

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their business from a young age in high school to college,
even though Cam went to Alabama. But you know, whenever
you look at guys like that, they've been successful at
every level that they played at. They've also been great
in the community, and that's something that I wanted to do.
So I really looked up to both of those guys.

Speaker 8 (44:10):
Well, you were asked about working with Duke Manniweather this offseason.
Everybody that doesn't know is a very well known offensive
line guru trainer. Just what have you guys been working
on to get ready for your rookie season?

Speaker 11 (44:21):
Yeah, I mean really just everything. You know, he's the
best I think, you know, this past offseason or this
past season, he had eight or nine Pro Bowlers that
you know he trained specifically. So that's something that I
want to be a part of any way that you know,
he can critique my game and help me put the
best product on the field. It's something that I'm interested
in every off season. So I've really enjoyed the time

(44:44):
that I spent with him so far. He's taught me
a lot, just you know, expanding my game in every aspect,
and it's something I continue to look forward to.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
I have a quick question for you, you know, kind
of off the beaten path. We live here in New England.
We have Boston College, but we don't really have what
you guys have in terms of college football. You're in
the SEC, which is the NFL of college football. What's
the best venue besides LSU? What's the best venue if
I wanted to see if I could go down and
take a trip to watch a major college football game,

(45:13):
which I've never really done. What would you recommend?

Speaker 11 (45:16):
Really honestly, you know, every venue in the SEC except
maybe two or.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
Three are at Vanderbilts out.

Speaker 11 (45:23):
I'm not going to say anything, but I mean, like,
I played at some really cool places. The most underrated one,
I feel like, in my opinion was Auburn at Jordan Hare. Yeah,
that's a pretty electric environment. Florida has a great environment. Uh,
Texas A and M. I never played at Tennessee, but
I kind of figured that Tennessee is probably number two,

(45:45):
right behind us, and then Kyle Field and then probably
Bryant Denny Cool.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
So really a lot to choose from.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Yeah, how did you feed off that environment?

Speaker 7 (45:54):
There's so many clips that I've seen of you leading
the true leading the Tigers out of the locker room,
you know, out of the eye black line, you know,
going into battle. It just seemed like that really you
were in your element in those moments.

Speaker 11 (46:03):
Yeah, no doubt. I mean, if if you can run
out in front of you know, that many people and
not get some chills on your spine, you're not a
human being.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
That's what it's about.

Speaker 11 (46:12):
And you know every you know, Saturday, we just want
to represent the state in the best way that we
possibly can, you know, just go out there and put
the best product on the field. And but yeah, I
mean it's it's amazing. You know, playing an SEC is
everything I could ask for.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
So are you going right home after this? You're going
out to dinner tonight? Like, what's what's the plan?

Speaker 10 (46:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (46:30):
We're actually staying here tonight. I can't remember the name
of the restaurant. It's right here in Patriots Place. I'm
gonna go where you did.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
If it's Davio's. They make good steak, that's right.

Speaker 11 (46:38):
I actually went there on my thirty visit. That's where
I'm going. Uh, went there on my thirty visit. They
tried to get me to try a clam chowder.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
I didn't do it. It's good you should.

Speaker 11 (46:47):
We'll see.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Have you had lobster?

Speaker 4 (46:49):
Yeah, like like lobster okay? Oysters? Yeah?

Speaker 11 (46:52):
Okay, all right, but I whenever you know, Bravey, when
them came down, I put them on some real char
grilled oysters. There you go, the butter, that cheese, all that.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
Oh all right, Well listen, well, I know it's been
a long day. We really appreciate you coming in and
we're really excited about you being a Patriot.

Speaker 11 (47:10):
Yes, sir, I'm super excited.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
Thank you welcome Yeah, thanks, yeah you too. All Right.
That's Will Campbell. Yeah, he's he's everything they said he's.
He's a great kid, a.

Speaker 7 (47:25):
Little bit of a serious football guy my SFG rating,
which I like about him, certainly an offensive football guy.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
I've had that one for a little bit.

Speaker 7 (47:33):
But I just you can see the switching him of.
And I was saying to Paul in between the interview
and coming back on the air, like that guy's got
to deal with some tough, big, mean dudes.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
Every snap is a battle. Every snap is against.

Speaker 7 (47:46):
The toughest guys that there are in the NFL. I mean,
a lot of those edge players are among the biggest, fastest,
meanest guys out there. So you know, I get I
lot of respect for anybody who's going to go out there.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
And line up against those kind of guys.

Speaker 7 (47:57):
And he seems like he has the demeanor to deal
with it and excited. Just love that energy that he's
going to bring adding it to that offensive line room.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Yeah, we got to get him laughing though.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
You got them a couple of a little bit, Yeah,
a couple.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
Of yeah, you he cracks him up with the bang
the table. I think he kind of chuckled at that,
and then you're you're talking about you know, all you
got was painted and the hard waist. Think you liked
that one too.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
So yeah, so he's going to be a leader in
this locker room, I'm sure.

Speaker 10 (48:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (48:23):
The only question I was just curious to ask him
about it to get a chance was just wearing the
number seven on his jersey.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
I was going to ask him that too.

Speaker 8 (48:30):
How did I forget that?

Speaker 4 (48:31):
Is that the kid?

Speaker 1 (48:32):
So yeah, that's an explosive playmaker. I think it is
a playmaker.

Speaker 5 (48:35):
It started with Patrick Peterson, you know, at LSU, and
they have it, you know, a small seven on their uniforms,
and I just wonder I wanted to ask him, you know,
sort of the history of it, how rare is it
is it to get it for an offensive lineman. I
think he is the first one, you know, and that
that's kind of what I was interested in. I know
that they have like a lot of college programs. I
think the number eighteen is sort of special at LSU

(48:58):
in terms of you know that the a variety of
different positions can wear it, but like for an offensive
linemen to get a playmaker designation has to be kind
of rare.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
So, you know, I go back to like the videos
that we had early in Brady's career when he was
just starting out and him going out with the lineman
and trying to keep up with the lineman drinking and
all that. There's always been this like perception that the
linemen hang out together and they go out and they
just they drink, right, And I wonder if that's still true,

(49:30):
and if this kid is one of those guys who
like he's, like you said, serious football guy, but when
it's time to like go out in the bar with
the friends, like he has a good time. I wonder.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
I don't know, you know what I'm gonna say.

Speaker 7 (49:43):
For I think some of the case with those kind
of guys, I feel like, oh, yeah, they're there, they're drinking,
but you would never know it. They're completely level headed
as well. He's had twenty five beers and he's just
sitting there kind of enjoying the music.

Speaker 5 (49:55):
So I'll tell you who he kind of reminds me
of is Mankins.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. With his low he
like just over and.

Speaker 5 (50:04):
I was just watch I was just watching Matt. I
was just watching Matt, you know, you know, punches, punch
him on the head, you know, just like no, no,
big woo.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
So okay, good stuff. So while we were doing that,
we did have some picks here defensive Luther Burdens gone,
he went to the Bears. Uh and guess who's not gone.
Sanders is still out there.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
Guess who is gone? Tyler another another quarterback.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
Quarterback went over Sanders. So that's that's is he going
from legendary to like just pretty good. So what we're
talking about Sanders, like he calls himself.

Speaker 8 (50:47):
Legend Yeah, I feel like his handling of the pre
draft process is what's really coming back to bite him.
I don't think there's anything to do with Dean or
anything like that necessarily, other than.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
The fact, either I think if he was really good.

Speaker 8 (51:03):
Yeah, other than maybe the fact that Dion is the
one advising him. You know, he he handled this process
like he was a top quarterback, like he was Drake
may or Caleb Williams or Jaden Daniels. You know, didn't
throw at the combine, didn't work out anywhere, threw at
his pro day, and you know, like all these other
top quarterbacks do and didn't interview very well. And so
here we are in the second round, and the other

(51:26):
Tyler Shook, who's like twenty seven years old or something
like that, is going ahead of him, whose.

Speaker 5 (51:30):
Dog is very excited that he just got drafted.

Speaker 8 (51:32):
Good for the dog.

Speaker 5 (51:34):
He wanted, he wanted in on the celebration.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
Good for the dog, Good for good for the dog.

Speaker 8 (51:39):
Tyler Shuk's twenty five years old. I'm sorry I aged
him a little bit.

Speaker 5 (51:42):
He is one of those six or seven year college.

Speaker 8 (51:45):
Seven year senior.

Speaker 5 (51:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he went to the Saints, who
was another team that needed a quarterback. So listen, I
don't know about trades and what can happen, but the Jets.
I suppose the Jets could take a quarterback of the
future if they're not necessarily sure that Justin Fields is
going to be there for long. But I don't know.

(52:07):
There's a lot of teams that would necessarily look at
this and say I need to take Sanders. Yeah, you
could be looking at the third round.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
Isaac writes in Patriots have chosen, But what's your take
on Burden versus Henderson. This is my first draft. My
son happy to have a New Patriot in my family,
and thank you for being so amazing. Greetings from Winnipeg.

Speaker 5 (52:26):
I would have been just as happy if they had
taken Burden, Yeah, I would have. But I really like him.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
I just wanted offense.

Speaker 5 (52:32):
I want I want playmaker offense. It's not like, you know,
maybe he can develop into a possession receiver. I wanted
a playmaker. That's why the more that Mike and Evan
talked about Jalen Knowle, the more they were selling me
it's not just like in a nine yard per catch
slot guy. He's a downfield slot guy. So absolutely, I
mean I was wrapping my head around that too. I

(52:54):
wanted a playmaker.

Speaker 8 (52:55):
Yeah, we'll see what happens at sixty nine and seventy seven.
Like I'm not going to come on right now and say,
what a horrible decision to take Henderson over Burden, because
they could check Jalen Knowle in the third round or
Kyle Williams in the third round, which were very similar
type of players that are going to accomplish similar type
of things with their skill sets. So we'll see. But

(53:15):
I think the one thing we were kind of talking
about this when the interview was going on Paul Is.
Clearly Luther Burden had something going on with teams behind
the scenes because he was not the thirty ninth best
player in the draft. He was a much better player
than that. So let's just put our thinking caps on
here for a second and ask ourselves why did he

(53:35):
fall to thirty nine? Then well, if the Patriots are
gonna be about culture and they're going to be about
these things, then that's probably not the type of guy
that they're going to draft.

Speaker 5 (53:44):
At least not yet.

Speaker 8 (53:45):
They're not right for that yet, right or wrong, Like,
maybe it will be coming back to bite them that
they didn't take Burden, but that type of guy clearly
was not on their board.

Speaker 5 (53:56):
So you know what I think is funny just looking
a couple of things league wide. So you know, we
talked about and Evan just talked about him sliding a
little bit because of you know, potentially some character issues.
He goes to Chicago and you know, there's been a
lot of criticism for the Patriots. You know, certainly at
the end of the Belichick era, they want to win
every game seventeen thirteen or thirteen ten. Is Rabel doing

(54:17):
the same thing? You know, all the free agent signings.
You know most of them are on defense. Well, Ben
Johnson's trying to win games forty five to forty two. Yeah,
you know, he's taken, Colston Loveland, he's taken now, Luther Burden.
You know, they already had roma Dunes last year with
the rookie quarterback. They loaded up on their offensive line
and free agency. I don't know if they're going to

(54:38):
stop anybody, but they're going to be able to score
some points. With Ben Johnson one of the more creative
offensive minds and a really good cast of skilled position guys,
they're going to score. You know. That's the way Detroit
kind of played last year. Now, part of it was
because of the injuries on defense, but the defense wasn't
very good. They got they got out to Leeds, they
did the old time sort of Patriots thing. They bludgeoned

(54:59):
you with offense and made their defense look better as
a result. That's what looks like Chicago's trying to do
right now. That's what Cincinnati, yeah does So it's different.
Yeah sort of mindsets.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
I like those.

Speaker 8 (55:12):
It's fascinating because they did. Two teams just took quarterbacks
last year right at the top of the draft. So,
I mean the Bears in the Patriots are. We're in
the same exact position a year ago, two teams that
needed quarterbacks, and to Paul's point, they've built it differently,
and now we'll find out in a year or two
you know which team is building it correctly. Yeah, it
can go either way.

Speaker 5 (55:32):
You could put Washington in that mix too. Yeah, they've
sort of, you know, focused a little bit on trying
to get some weapons around Jayden Daniels and we'll see
if it works.

Speaker 8 (55:42):
It's interesting.

Speaker 7 (55:42):
I wonder how much of this, though, is in part
motivated from Ben Johnson coming from Detroit and being like,
it's stupid for me to try to think I'm gonna
stop that offense. I know what they're capable of. I've
got to play on their terms if I'm going to
want to beat those guys. But I wonder how it's
all gonna come together at the receiver position. You know,
you said said the same thing with Houston. You're seeing
some of these teams that you might look at on

(56:05):
the surface and think they got their guys. They seem
like they got you know, Nico Collins kind of a
number one like, but these teams are continuing to try
to stack wide receivers. And it's clearly a prevalent philosophy
out there amongst NFL teams that you can never have
too much explosiveness at wide receiver. And I mean, I
think it speaks to a lot of what we've talked
about with the Patriots, and you know, philosophically, what directions
should they go. Some teams, clearly though, are are taking

(56:27):
that very seriously and they're hoarding it.

Speaker 5 (56:29):
I just I like to look at different ways because
I get annoyed with what you got to build in
the trenches. Or now you need a strong defense. If
you can't stop anybody, you can't win. Defense wins championship.
Or maybe we're just gonna try to we know we
have problems on defense, We're gonna try to compensate with just,
you know, explosiveness everywhere. I think there's a lot of

(56:49):
different ways to win.

Speaker 10 (56:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
Now I'm not telling you one ways, right, because I
think there's a lot of different ways to win championships.

Speaker 7 (56:56):
Yeah, And I mean it's easy to see Bill Belichick
might be in that position and say and really relish
the challenge of I got to try to slow this
Detroit offense down.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
How am I going to build the defense too?

Speaker 5 (57:05):
You know, good pick for the Jets. Who they get
Mason Taylor. Yeah, that's a good pick for them. Yeah, No,
you don't like Mason Taylor, He's fine.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
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Speaker 1 (57:29):
Oh, there we go, We're back. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
And you know what's easy bud Light. Yep, it's easy
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beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. So Mason Taylor
tight end goes to the Jets.

Speaker 8 (57:48):
Yeah. I liked Mason Taylor. I feel like he was
a little bit overhyped. You know, there was a lot
of conversation about him potentially going in the first round.
But looking back on you know where I had him
like this is this is a good spot for the
Jets to.

Speaker 5 (58:01):
Take for your second round.

Speaker 8 (58:03):
Yeah, this is about where he probably should have gone.
There was a lot of conversations about him going higher
than this, and I thought he got a little bit
overrated during the process. But this is a good spot
for him. What I do like about him is just
a natural hands catcher and really good straight line speed.
But you see him go through that gauntlet drill at

(58:23):
the combine and it was like, that's you put that
on the teach tape of how you run that drill.
So he's got a lot of natural talents, obviously got
the bloodlines. So good player, good good draft so far
for the Jets. Membu Mason Taylor not a bad haul
so far for that.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
Adam from Louisiana says, as an LSU alumni, I'm well
versed on the numbers, meaning for the football team, seven
represents the best playmaker on the team. It has generally
gone to a wide receiver defensive back. It has never
gone to alignment before Campbell. Number eighteen is given to
the leaders of the team. Going back to quarterback Matt
malk In two thousand and three, you go, but basically

(59:01):
everything you said, but now it's confirmed. Spiin Fresno, right, sin,
can we put a hold on accepting Evan Scornsky argument
at face value, Paul wilted into Evan's soft lawnmower free
hands too easily. While it's a thoughtful, intriguing possibility to pose,
I like some verification that coaches are really not giving

(59:21):
these measurably challenged college tackles adequate shots at that position
before shoving them into the guard role. It seems just
as plausible that those guys aren't living up to their
tackle billing in pro practice situations. Need more evidence and
definitely need more frothing at the mouth counter arguments from
the former fattest man in town.

Speaker 8 (59:42):
Oh, I think that was a compliment.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (59:46):
I just want to state it for the record. Now
I'm getting made fun of for not arguing enough.

Speaker 8 (59:50):
Right and also for being skinny.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Paul.

Speaker 5 (59:53):
I don't mind the skinny because I'm still not skinny,
but I'm getting in front of for not arguing enough.
No one's ever said that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
To me before. Al from Wisconsin Times like this. I'm
so thankful for Fred. You guys spend five minutes talking
about the guy the Seahawks picked, only for Fred to
immediately chime in and say.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
So, do we know who the Seahawks pick, so Henderson
was the fourth running back taken. Right, there was two
in the first round and then the two Ohio State
guys tonight.

Speaker 8 (01:00:21):
Correct, Yeah, yeah, I had Henderson real quick. I had
him as my running back three. I had him and
Henderson and Judkins were really close for me. I thought
both those guys were. It's a flavor thing, you know.
I preferred the speed in the big playability. But if
you preferred the power and the angry run ability, as

(01:00:44):
Deuce's friend Kyle Brand likes to say, then you know,
Judkins is more your flavor. But I thought both those
guys were a top of the second round. I had
Henderson thirty second on my board and the Patriots picked
him at thirty eight, so they I thought they got
pretty good value with the pick here. But yeah, I
had him as a top four running back and they
took him as the fourth running back.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
Joe in Darkness says, stop tipping picks. I want to
listen to your stream, but this is a buzzkill, Like, well,
so if you're listening to us, you're getting it, Like, like,
what else are you doing that we're ruining right now?

Speaker 5 (01:01:16):
I don't understand how that's tipic, Like, if you're listening,
I don't know this. This argument has never made sense.

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
To Like what if you're saying, I want to wait
until the commit or you know, the TV announces it, So.

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
Why don't you go with the commit the commissioner for
tipping picks right? If you're finding out for the first time,
it's not tipped right. Why do you care where you're
finding out for the first time?

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
Like, if you're listening to us, where your source?

Speaker 5 (01:01:41):
Like if if we would if we were watching a
game right now and you were watching the game on
TV and we were there alive and we were telling
you what happened in the game before you're seeing it,
that's tipping what's happening? You get like, that's ruining it.
I get it. Yeah, you're hearing information for the first time.
Why do you care where.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
We get it for the first where the like why
can't we be your source?

Speaker 8 (01:02:02):
I also just think it's hard for us to have
a show and then to put the show on halt
to follow the TV. We would still be on the
you know, five picks ago if we were matching up
with the TV. So to keep the show moving, we
kind of have to tell you what's going.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
But I'm open to like the reason why this is
ruining it for you? I don't understand, because like, if
you're listening to us, we're now your source to stick
with us.

Speaker 6 (01:02:24):
Yeah, and so it got to be listening along while
watching and just here.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
But like, what are you getting from watching that makes it? So?
What is that? Why is it better to find out
there than here?

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
I just don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
I'm asking you know, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:02:39):
Yeah, And I, like I said, if if we were
ruining something that you didn't know was come, Like, so
we scored a touchdown and you don't know we score
a touchdown because you're watching on TV and we just
ruined it for you, right, I totally get that.

Speaker 10 (01:02:55):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:02:55):
I don't know what's the difference of Roger Goodell tells
you who.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
Kush and you're in your example, we're ruining the action
for you. There's no action, you know, like the action
is the this is the actions? The action's right here?

Speaker 8 (01:03:07):
What's that from?

Speaker 7 (01:03:08):
I was going crazy when we're waiting for this pick
to come in because I didn't see it on our
slack channels.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
I didn't see I wasn't looking at Twitter, like I
had no idea.

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
The show just kind of grinds to a hall for
you know, a minute.

Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
Evan, Evan got it. What did you get it on Twitter?

Speaker 8 (01:03:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
Yeah, And I hadn't seen it on my feed, so
I didn't know. I learned it from watching.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
I learned it from watching you.

Speaker 8 (01:03:31):
Well, that's just my point, Like you know, Due just said,
the show grinds to a halt, like if we just
sit here and wait for the pick to be an
ass on TV, and we're gonna be sitting here twiddling
our thumbs in between all these picks.

Speaker 5 (01:03:40):
Children who drew drugs have parents.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
Who right there it is.

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
It just comes out, and it's the other way around.
The parents are just.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Like I can make an ocean wave way. It's like
the television from.

Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
The eighties just built balk like a penguin.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
From Burlington, Ontario rights in. He said, you guys, give
me eighteen vibes or ocean eight, Ocean eight, like Crew
Paul's face in or Brad Pitt.

Speaker 8 (01:04:03):
Oh geez, oh wow wow.

Speaker 5 (01:04:06):
If I had known that I was going to get
to the action, I done lost waye long ago.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
Fred Is Hannibal for George Clooney, Wow, take it. Evan
is Murdoch or Matt Damon.

Speaker 5 (01:04:16):
Means a lot less now George.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
Evan is Murdoch or Matt Damon and Mike is be
a baracas for jet Lee except I think you all
talk Fred out of a tucks this year. Anyway, I
think Cleveland is trying to tank for Manning next year.
That's why they're taking solid role players who aren't win now, guys. Plus,
they got the Jags picked next year and that might
be number two again.

Speaker 5 (01:04:39):
Oh see. I think the Jags are probably going to
be okay. But I do think that there's some validity
to they're playing for the quarterback next year.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
I think he's right, could be and I don't you know.
Now it's dangerous though, it's very dangerous.

Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
And Evan's point is, you know, like Berry and Stefanski
might not be around to do that, so it is
the roll of the dice. But I, as a.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Rock would just get taken Yeah by Dallas, good pick.

Speaker 5 (01:05:05):
I think there is risk that I think Everyan is
correct in that, but I feel like they really believe
in Stefanski.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Yeah they do, I know, you know, and I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:05:15):
Two years removed from going to the playoffs without a quarterback, right,
you know who's to say, can he Pickett and Joe
Flaggo can't hold it together for a year and have
them win nine or ten games. Yeah, I don't think
that will happen. I'm not predicting that by any chance,
by any means, but it could.

Speaker 8 (01:05:32):
I just think that. You know, my whole thing was
with Cleveland first of all, Like, no one knows if
arch Manning is any good. Like arch Manning hasn't played
any college.

Speaker 5 (01:05:40):
But no one knows if arch Manning is going to
come out of the draft. It's not uncommon for the
Mannings to stay or.

Speaker 8 (01:05:45):
Even be good.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
Like he's more money.

Speaker 8 (01:05:47):
He's played one game at Texas, full game against I
forget which team it was, but it's like Texas. Yeah,
like one of those Like I'm pretty sure he's going
to be good. He might be good, but he might
not be We don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:05:59):
There's no guarantees.

Speaker 8 (01:06:00):
Hey, there's no guarantees. So I don't think any team
is preparing like, oh, like next year is like the
Andrew Luck or the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes, and we're going
to get in on that and if I was Cleveland.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
Yeah, I don't mean necessarily a notch maning. I'm saying
they're going to be in position to get the best quarterback, right.

Speaker 8 (01:06:17):
But do they want to put that quarterback in a
position to succeed and like draft players this year to
set up that quarterback in twenty six. I don't like there.

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
I definitely don't like the Mason Graham pick, right, you know,
and I would have taken Anderson and not Judkins. Yeah,
but that's just my that's why they've made bad picks.
I don't think that their strategy has been bad. If
that makes sense, Yeah, that that made me makes sense.

Speaker 8 (01:06:41):
I just if you take Travis Hunter, like, yeah, the
brown he probably doesn't make the Browns a winner overnight.
But now when you draft the quarterback in twenty six,
you're drafting him to throw the ball to Travis Hunter.
So because you already have that piece in place, you
can't throw the ball to Mason Graham.

Speaker 5 (01:06:56):
But what they're trying to do is increased their odds
to be able to get that quarterback next year. Taking
Travis Hunter. That leads you only one opportunity you'll pick.
They're trying to up the possibility, Like if if we're
not in position to get that quarterback, now we have
two picks to get in position to get that quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
That's what I think was part of I don't hate
the trade. I still and I know that. I mean,
am in the vast minority. Everybody is with Evan on
Jacksonville made a great move. I think Jacksonville will actually
be decent. I don't think that that's a that's a
team that had a bad record last year. Everything that
could go wrong did. I don't think that that's a
bad team. I really don't. And I think it put

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a couple of things in place, and if Liam Cohen
knows what he's doing, he can fix Trevor Lawrence. I
don't think it's out of the Roman possibility. They win
nine or ten games and they compete for the AFC
Cell title. I don't think that that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
The Boston College Edge Ezeraku went to the Cowboys.

Speaker 8 (01:07:56):
A nice picked by them. You like this guy, yeah,
I do like Jt're going to try to pronounce his
last name. Yeah, heavy handed? You know stout edge defender,
a good athlete, really good college football playoff performance and
against six sacks in the College Football Playoff. Throughout the
couple games that they played, I really liked him a lot.
I thought that he would be on the Patriots radar.

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You know a lot of people obviously think that the
Patriots are going to draft Jack Sawyer. I kind of
thought that JT was a better player than than Jack Sawyer.

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
I totally agree.

Speaker 8 (01:08:26):
Yeah, but I don't know if the Patriots thought that.
But I thought he I had a higher grade on.

Speaker 5 (01:08:32):
So the other guy I wanted to get your thoughts
on because AFC East is TJ. Sanders.

Speaker 8 (01:08:37):
Yeah, so t J Sanders, you know, penetrating three technique,
you know, a little bit of a one of those,
you know, Milton Williams types of players. Yeah, Ed Oliver
maybe you know that's kind of like the top of
that archetype, you know, if you will. But I thought
he was a sturdy player. I thought he had some long,
long arms. I can think he can shoot gaps. I
think you can penetrate the line of scrimmage, do that

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type of stuff. But I also think he can win
with power and win with speed. To pick for Buffalo,
I think this is a better pick than their first
round pick. Yeah, I got Sanders was a pretty solid
player and it fits there for three. You know, whether
they play him a three technique or or the one shade.
Either way, I think that he's going to be a
pretty good player for them.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
Andrew in La says, please stop talking about the draft.
I want to talk about Dev's batting average. This is
a caller on Coller crime.

Speaker 5 (01:09:28):
I'm here for Coller on Coller Crime.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:31):
I would also say, at the risk of I'm going
to knock on wood here, I'm appreciating that the pick
seemed to be coming at a pretty good clip.

Speaker 8 (01:09:40):
Yeah, Terrence Ferguson, what is it seven minutes this round?

Speaker 5 (01:09:44):
I believe it's seven minutes this round, and then it
goes down to five.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
We're already like on pick fifteen.

Speaker 5 (01:09:50):
Now, yeah, we're about halfway through, almost halfway through the
round or hour.

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
Ethan in La says, anyone listening to this live, why
are you listening to anything else? Keep tipping the picks.
I don't want to wait the extra two minutes for
the pick to be told.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Fair enough, that's and.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Joe says, yes I am. I follow up by yes,
I am watching the broadcast and listening to you. Uh.
The answer to Fred's questions, it's fun, okay, well, and
Norman says, I disagree with anyone annoyed by tipping picks.
I want to know as soon as possible. You guys
are doing a great job, keep it up, best draft
coverage without a doubt.

Speaker 5 (01:10:24):
I just would need a BIB for Fred. But I
would just wonder, like I like Fred, I think you
put it perfectly. I don't really understand if we're telling
you what the pick is, why that's considered tipping.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
It, all right, But because that's not action.

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
Tipping the pick would be like we knew an we
knew an hour ago.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
I start the pagers are gonna pick tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
On the other hand, Dan says, the drama of hearing
the stage announced the pick is on the TV broadcast
is much more entertaining than hearing one of you guys
blurt out the pick randomly. It's just the way it is.
I'm wanted to mute you guys for a couple of
minutes before pick is in fair enough.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Maybe were pump pumping, stir circumstance when we announced the picks.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
Then you know, I like this one. Joe says, I
can't explain what you're doing is tipping picks. I just
know I don't want to hear it from Deuce first,
something about his face.

Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
It's just punishable.

Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
Just kidding. I love dudes. I'm just writing to take
credit for paul Is losing weight months ago, and also
to say there's no shot. Tides was a higher rated
show that was a Day three joint. That's true, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Was it day three that?

Speaker 10 (01:11:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:11:32):
I was in the middle of the draft party that
was day one because people were looking at you guys like,
are you crazy. I've heard the story.

Speaker 8 (01:11:42):
I'm not heard yelling at each other.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
This is supposed this is supposed to be a draft party.
We're having fun. Yeah, they're yelling about Tides.

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
Yeah, so a lot of people tipping picks, tipping picks.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
Maybe we just put a warning up before we tip anything.

Speaker 4 (01:11:56):
Harvey and Maine, what are we going to do about
wide receiver? Do we move up a bit or wait
until sixty nine and seventy seven? Seems to me like
we're waiting a bit too long.

Speaker 8 (01:12:08):
We'll see. I think that, you know, one of the
things that they were they were trying to prioritize from
all the reporting that we heard is you know, players
that play outside the numbers at wide receiver. They wanted
to get a bigger you know what, a Paul's guy.
It's a bigger X receiver. Some of they can play
out outside the numbers and compliment what they have was
Stefon Diggs and the Mario Douglas and those types of players.

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You know, Trey Harris from Ole, miss is probably the
best player in that mold. That's still on the board.
Jalen Knowle still on the board as well. Jack betch
is still on the board. Kyle Williams still on the board.
You know a lot of people like Jalen Royals from
Utah State. He's also still available. So there's still wide
receiver talent available. I don't think that that's a there's
any reason yet to be worried that they're going to

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miss the boat on adding someone with some upside and
some talent. If they draft Kyle Williams at sixty nine,
we're all going to be happy. So let's just wait
and see what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
You got to defense already, Evan, Can we have some
for the defense please?

Speaker 5 (01:13:04):
I mean how many? Well sign how much?

Speaker 10 (01:13:07):
How much.

Speaker 8 (01:13:10):
For these defensive guys I need like seven edge rushers.
Like now you'll have your three, and you'll.

Speaker 5 (01:13:14):
Be got a lot more.

Speaker 8 (01:13:17):
But I always kind of felt like this would maybe
be how the board fell at edge, because there's gonna
there's so many talented edge rushers in this class that
your third fourth round range you can still get a
guy that you feel like has some developmental upside and
starter upside. Or maybe it's a guy that's more specialized,
you know, like a pass rush specialist, like a Jusiah
Stewart from Everett, Massachusetts and also from Michigan. Like maybe

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it's one of those types of players where it's okay,
we're envisioning him in a third down role instead of
a full time role, but you're still so much talent
on the board of that particular position that I do
think you can get one sixty nine, seventy seven, one
oh six even.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
Yeah, it might be okay with that.

Speaker 7 (01:13:53):
Like I think even the not Joshua specifically, but that
josh type where maybe you don't work out as a
three down layer, but you can come in and bring
some juice on third down. So we don't have I mean,
you can't rely on Harold Landry and claveon Chase on
to play all three downs. You know, they need some
other rotational piece there, preferably some young, lively.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Legs that they can get off to the edge and
get off to the quarterback.

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
We're going to really have to remember Josiah Stewart because
he's going to be the last one. Yeah, it would
be my last. Every guy for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Really, No, that was when you stopped coaching in the
town and at the town level.

Speaker 5 (01:14:25):
Just I never coached any of these boys.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
I'll just recruited as far as you know. Let's see
eight five five past five hundred is the hotline. Let's
go to it. Sean's and Vancouver. What's up, Sean?

Speaker 5 (01:14:38):
Sure on?

Speaker 12 (01:14:39):
Hey everyone, happy draft?

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
Thanks for holding on.

Speaker 12 (01:14:43):
Yeah, thanks, no problem. As Mike, as you're saying earlier,
you know, you didn't want it to be like a
draft the last two years where we picked well in
the first round, player that everyone thought you should and
then it kind of fell off in there. It seems like, now, no,
that's not the case. We got something in the second
round who has a lot of ups I who thinks
like one of the players that probably fell to us.

Speaker 13 (01:15:03):
So that's that's a good thing.

Speaker 12 (01:15:05):
And and the other thing that I look at is
the free agency. I mean, before well this offseason, there
were thirteen real needs for this team, and not to
say they filled them all, but it looks like they
at least addressed eleven of them. And the other two
needs you can get late Saturday night full back and
kick her. So right now, it's all about building.

Speaker 5 (01:15:27):
Did I miss the wide receiver fillings?

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
Say it again, well, Sean, you said the two needs
are kicker in full back.

Speaker 12 (01:15:36):
Yeah, those are the receiver well guards, so that at
least I'm not saying they then they at least dressed
it right. So yeah, I like that, Like maybe Noel
will be there in the third round and that's that's
just the player i'd like to get.

Speaker 5 (01:15:49):
If you still there, Oh okay, I missed that part.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 12 (01:15:52):
No, I wasn't getting there, but yeah, I've not you. Yeah,
you could get players that are going to help your
team that aren't huge need, and you know you can
get the kicker and the fullback and undrafted for you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if thanks Sean,
I don't know if fullbacks a need and or if
it's even on the table of a position on the team.
I hope it is a lot of people are assuming,
you know, if Rash McDaniels and he likes using a
full back, but Will Johnson, I don't know. I don't
know about that. Oh Will Johnson just went Okay, I
don't either.

Speaker 7 (01:16:24):
I would say that if they had heavy plans for
a fullback, there probably would already be one on the roster.
You're not going to wait to draft a Day two
or three full back and expect that person to be
a significant part of the offense. Look at how long
it took James Devlin to even like break into that role.
It's there would be a veteran. I think I think

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they're gonna just go for it with what they got.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
I don't think the fullback's coming back.

Speaker 8 (01:16:48):
If they if they really are looking at true full
backs like Yakub Johnson, James Devon, like you, those guys
go undrafted, like you can get that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:56):
Guy in the That's what Sean was saying. You're a
kicker in a full back and you get them as undrafted.

Speaker 8 (01:17:01):
In the seventh round. I mean, I think right now,
you know you look, you're still looking at wide receiver.
Is the obvious one. I still think you gotta tap
that class at some point right on the.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Edge, ducee, Like, at some point class you gotta.

Speaker 8 (01:17:13):
Add a defensive lineman and a loaded group like this,
you want to do that, and then I think that
you're you could add another offensive lineman guard guard, you know,
but you have three more picks in the top one hundred,
you know, right, So so those picks like.

Speaker 5 (01:17:30):
Would be sixty nine, seventy seven and one oh six.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
It's the top one hundred, pick seven, we got the
top one hundred.

Speaker 8 (01:17:37):
Well, you know that somebody that is in the top
one hundred is probably going to slide a little bit,
because somebody always does.

Speaker 5 (01:17:42):
That's good people.

Speaker 8 (01:17:46):
So I will say that they made a top one
hundred pick when they picked somebody in my top one hundred.

Speaker 5 (01:17:52):
It's my charge exactly. It's like when Parcels used to
say about going for two, is that that's not what
the chart says. It's my chart. How do you know
what my chart says?

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
Owen's a dublin, Hey, Owen.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Dublin.

Speaker 14 (01:18:07):
Fred?

Speaker 5 (01:18:08):
How are you doing good?

Speaker 13 (01:18:10):
How are you guys?

Speaker 15 (01:18:11):
Listen? Long time, long time listener and.

Speaker 16 (01:18:14):
Make twenty five years so to listen to you guys, and.

Speaker 15 (01:18:17):
Then I'd like to ask a couple of questions. Really,
I'm kind of happy with happy with the pick. Was
I'm a bit worried that Evan thinks that he's going
to need somebody to hold his hands on the outside.

Speaker 8 (01:18:31):
With Will Campbell you're talking about yes.

Speaker 15 (01:18:33):
Well obviously, well we only picked one player, now, Evan
the first round.

Speaker 8 (01:18:37):
Yeah, I got you.

Speaker 15 (01:18:39):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 (01:18:39):
I mean?

Speaker 15 (01:18:40):
Should should he have to have somebody to hold his
hand on the outside?

Speaker 8 (01:18:44):
You mean like chipping and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
We talked about last night's number four in the draft.

Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
I mean, now I hear what you're saying. Oh, and
I you know, like you're saying, if you're going to
take him forth, like just get him in there and play,
and if you have to do all this, Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:19:01):
I think he should be able to do that. Still, Fredge,
you know what I mean? Yeah, shouldn't somebody to hold
his hand?

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:19:07):
I think, Well I'm not forever.

Speaker 8 (01:19:09):
Yeah, I look, I don't know if he'll necessarily need it.
I'm just saying that they're the way. The point I
was trying to make with that is that there are
ways to schematically help the tackles, right, there are there
are ways to do that that aren't a total detrimental
to your offense, whether it's chipping you know, at the
backs and the tight ends or whatever the case may be.
And when I don't care if he's the fourth overall

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pick or the fortieth overall pick, when you're a rookie
offensive tackle in the NFL and you're, you know, going
Week one and you're facing you know, an all pro
edge rusher potentially coming off the edge, like he's a
he's a twenty one year old kid that's never played
in the NFL before, Like he's gonna need to have
some you know, dipping the toes in the water here.
We're not going to just put him in the in
the deep end and hope that he sinks like or swims.

Speaker 5 (01:19:51):
You know that.

Speaker 8 (01:19:52):
To me, that's what good coaching staffs avoid. They good
coaching staffs coach around that. They they help guys, And.

Speaker 4 (01:19:58):
I get it, but I get what I want to say.
If we're halfway through the season and we're constantly needing.

Speaker 8 (01:20:04):
To te okay, go ahead.

Speaker 15 (01:20:07):
But nobody did anything like that last year to move
anybody around, And there's a compete disaster. So do we
think the coaching was so bad last year?

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
I think that was part of the problem, But I
also think.

Speaker 15 (01:20:20):
That I mean, I understand we've got way better coaching
this year, but it's going to improve that movement and
the blocking so much better now.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
Yeah, I think the coaching was bad last year. I
think the talent wasn't up to par. I think your
overall thing, though, I hear what you're saying. If we're
halfway through the season and we're constantly having to chip
keep in a tight end Max protect because there's a
deficiency there, then that's a problem. But I think it's worth.
I think this guy's worth, you know, doing whatever we

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can to make him succeed, because if he ends up
being your left tackle for ten years, it'll be worth
this early type of help that you have to give him.
And I'm not saying you're gonna have. Like I was
watching a thing with him on Twitter today where he
was analyzing his own game with somebody and he was
actually breaking down his own tape. I mean, he knows
what he's doing out there. Yeah, and he knows what

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he needs to do, even though even if right now
he needs to work on some things.

Speaker 8 (01:21:14):
Yeah, I hear Owen's point about he's a fourth overall
picture and he'd be good enough to just do it
on his own. But I think in this league, these
pass rushers are extremely talented players, and there aren't a
lot of tackles that do it on their own for
four straight quarters and have no help and have no

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schematic tweaks or you know, tricks of the trade when
they first get in the league.

Speaker 5 (01:21:40):
Right, I was just gonna say, like, if you're gonna
on one hand, say that they were pully coached last year,
and then on the other hand, you're going to say, well,
they can't, you know, try to help them this year. Well,
that's part of the reason why that I didn't think
they were well coached last year is because they too
often just put them out there and left them on
islands and they weren't good enough to do it that.

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I mean, I don't know if they were pully coached
in terms of teaching techniques and teaching, but like when
it came time to solve a problem in a game,
they seem powerless to do it. They're asking like Demontra
Jacobs to block Nick Bosa as an example in San Francisco.
That's asking for trouble. That to me is why they
were let down by the coaching. Not because Scott Peters

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didn't know how to teach the you know, hand placement
of you know, the punch and all that kind of stuff.
I'm sure you know, I'm I'm sure he understood, you know,
the fundamentals of blocking. I just think schematically, they had
problems and they didn't adjust to them. I think Josh
McDaniels will do a better job of that.

Speaker 8 (01:22:43):
That's the point I'm making as well. I don't think
it's as much of a knock to say that, oh,
if you're facing Nick Bosa in his third career, start
that maybe we'll send the tight end over there and
have him chip him on the way out into the
pattern every once in a while to try to help
him out. Like that's what smart coaching staffs do.

Speaker 5 (01:23:04):
There was a game that Houston, oh they got uh.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Waited till the NFL announced it.

Speaker 5 (01:23:11):
Good job, Mike. But there was one specific game sort
of later in the year here at home where I
think Lowe had to leave the game and number seventy two,
whose name is escaping me right now, how to go
in for him.

Speaker 8 (01:23:25):
Is that Zach Thomas.

Speaker 5 (01:23:26):
Zach Thomas's yeah, he was here for like and it
was like they were lining up at the batrack for
a chance to rush the passer against him and there's
no help Like that's I don't look at that as
a negative for the player. I look at that as
lack of adjusting from the coaching staff.

Speaker 4 (01:23:42):
Right, it's very you know, I remember back in the day,
there would we'd go against certain teams that had known
sack artists. Clay Matthews is an example for the Packers,
and I remember Belichick would say, we're just not going
to let him beat us today. He's not going to
rate a guy. They would have it didn't let kill Right,
they'd have a special plan for Clay Matthews or JJ

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Watt that included whatever, chipping, leaving guys in, you know,
giving help.

Speaker 17 (01:24:11):
In.

Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
It worked.

Speaker 8 (01:24:12):
Yeah, I'll give you another example.

Speaker 4 (01:24:14):
But if you just leave the guy out there, he's
gonna like, these guys are gonna win sometimes.

Speaker 8 (01:24:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, as you guys would know
better than me, Like Matt Light had a ton of
trouble with Jason Taylor, like had a lot I had
a ton of trouble with Jason Taylor. And I don't
think I'm saying anything love Matt.

Speaker 5 (01:24:32):
I'd like to tell you exactly what Jason Taylor did
to give Matt Light trouble. But any anytime those games happened,
I never got to talk to Matt Light after the
game because there was no where to be found.

Speaker 8 (01:24:41):
Okay, Well, he gave him a ton of truck That's
what you've heard a time or two. And I would
say Dwight Freeney also gave him a lot of problems too,
But those guys are Hall of Fame caliber edge rushers.

Speaker 5 (01:24:51):
And for the most part, Bill made sure that Daniel
Graham right.

Speaker 8 (01:24:55):
So what did Bill do. He took his two hundred
and sixty pounds tight end. He put him right next
to Mat And anytime Dwight Freeney or Jason Taylor tried
to come off the edge and turn the corner, Daniel
Graham would would chuck him. And that's what you do
for tackles, to help him out. Like Matt Light is
a Patriot, Hall of Famer, he's a really good player.
He those guys were better a lot of the time.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
I remember Bruce Smith and Bruce Armstrong would have epic
battles Bruce Smith is I mean, Bruce Armstrong is in
the Patriots Hall of Fame. But he would lose a
lot to Bruce Smith, and sometimes he'd win and sometimes
he'd get help, you know, in certain games. Yeah, but
Bruce Armstrong was one of the best left tackles we

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ever had.

Speaker 7 (01:25:39):
Another element, though, to me, is just the uncertainty of
left guard. And as I said last night, in the
perfect world, you'd love to have a veteran there that
that can be that calming presence next to Will Campbell.
Now you're gonna be having basically an open competition at
left guard for all we know, with Leyden Robinson over
there Cole Strange City. So so how how do you

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build up some continuity with Will Campbell and help him
out a little bit when there might, at least early
in training camp be kind of a revolving door next
to him on the right. Like, I think it's something
they have to think about just how to manage and
hopefully somebody's emerged in the spring that they believe in
and in a perfect situation they're going to start off.
Let's just call it Leydon Robinson there's And that's a really.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
Good point because as we've been told by you know,
Scarneki and others, it's all about a lot of it
is cohesion and communica. Yeah, and like having that the
same guy next to you, snap after snap, I think
can only be a benefit. And when that guy's changing
in and out, it stunts growth I think, I mean,

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and not just of an individual of the whole line.

Speaker 7 (01:26:43):
I mean points to you know, Logan Mankins, who I mean,
I don't know if he's ever been asked about that,
but I would probably consider him being a key part
of that transition of going from Matt Lte to Nate's
solder and helping Nate Solder along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
I know that. You know there were some.

Speaker 7 (01:26:55):
Injuries as well that added into that. But it's never
going to be perfect. You're never going to have every
element that you want along the offensive line. But I
do think, as I said last night, it puts a
little bit more of a spotlight for me on that
left guard position and how they approach it in the spring.

Speaker 8 (01:27:07):
Yeah, I do wonder, you know, to that point, use
there's a lot of talented interior offensive lineman and I've
made that point numerous times, and it seems like they
kind of want their guys, you know, like Trayvon Henderson
instead of Antonio Gibson, right, you know, Will Campbell comes
in obviously that's a little bit of a different situation.
But they keep on turning the roster over to bring

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in Rabel guys and Rabel identified people. So at left guard,
are we waiting on a left guard pick here tonight
because it kind of feels like they might not love
Cole Strange and City So and Leyden Robinson. That's not
Mike Rabel and Ryan Cowden's pick, Like, that's not their guy.
So maybe it's going to be a guy that they

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draft tonight or early tomorrow that's going to be that
the left guard instead.

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
So I know you need bodies in camp, but if
you do pick a left guard with in a third
round here to clear the decks a little bit and say, Okay,
he's gonna be our left guard and let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
Oh yeah, I mean to be hard the third.

Speaker 5 (01:28:06):
Round, the third round, yeah, sight unseen. Well, like if
he if he trust no, but if he turns out
to be Joe Toney and he just emerges as the
best one in camp, Yeah, by all means, but he's
got to win a job.

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
I mean, sure, but I'm talking to start.

Speaker 5 (01:28:20):
But there's going to be on the team as a
third round pick.

Speaker 4 (01:28:22):
But until you get rid of everybody, because you need bodies,
you need depth on the offensive line. But right now,
this seems like a backlog.

Speaker 5 (01:28:29):
My guess is I hear if they draft a guy
in the third round, somebody, probably City So is going
to go.

Speaker 8 (01:28:36):
I would think, Yeah, they have three guards right now
with Robinson, Strange and So that are all here, that
are all competing for one spot. So your point, Fred,
if they draft a guard here in the third round,
that that's a top seventy five, top eighty pick in
the draft that you're probably thinking as a starter. You know,
you're you're hoping that as a starter.

Speaker 5 (01:28:56):
Yeah, I'm just not saying that. In year one, No,
he's not. He's not plugging plays as a third round pick,
but in this at that position, you might be. I
think he might end up being but he has to
win it.

Speaker 8 (01:29:07):
Sure.

Speaker 5 (01:29:08):
I just proved that he's better than the first round
pick that's already on the roster.

Speaker 7 (01:29:14):
Could I share just a few things share on Henderson
from the Beast that I found interesting just showing through
his blurbs.

Speaker 4 (01:29:20):
Patriots running back pit.

Speaker 7 (01:29:21):
Yeah, this is two point one percent of carries and
twenty twenty four resulted in gains of ten yards or more,
which was third best in the FBS, speaking to how
explosive he is, trusted blocker, consistently puts defenders on their backside.
Credits faith for his maturation.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
Motivated by his mother, he used his nil money to
help her retire last piece. Unselfish teammate voted twenty twenty
four captain. He told Ryan Day to quote do what
is best for.

Speaker 7 (01:29:45):
The team when Ohio State was considering adding quin Shawn
Judkins in the transfer portal.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
Excuse me, so.

Speaker 7 (01:29:52):
That, you know, seems like a leader that kind of
you know, another culture fit, and I think it's I
just think it adds another l of intrigued too, is
I think about it a little bit more. You guys
pointed out the obvious piece of it, which is Antonio
Gibson receiving role. I think last year we just saw
more of a balanced rotation and maybe that's a Josh
thing that they were getting away from. Maybe they'll get

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back to it. But when they brought in Antonio Gibson.
I thought, oh, he's going to be the passing down back,
But it just seemed like they kind of rotated those
guys liberally and there was no you know, obvious code
like there was when it was all right, Sony Michelle's
out there, they're gonna run it. James White's out there, they're.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
Going to pass it.

Speaker 7 (01:30:27):
But I just I wonder how Henderson's going to push
those guys, because I see him pushing Stevenson too. I
think he's in the mix for you know, he can
do it all, and certainly the explosiveness is brillian appealing
for this team.

Speaker 4 (01:30:39):
Travis and West Virginia props Fred on the use of
the word cherubic earlier. I'm sure you've addressed this, but
remind me again why the Patriots don't have the fourth
pick in the second and third rounds like they did
in the first.

Speaker 5 (01:30:50):
Yeah, they're all tied and it rotates, right, so you
get it. The tiebreakers how unfolds and the very first
round and then the rotation among those teams that ties
sort of flip flops by round.

Speaker 4 (01:31:06):
So we were at fourth this round, we were six six,
and then we're gonna go up to fifth in the
third round.

Speaker 5 (01:31:12):
Right, because which I think we tied with three it's
a three way tie or four way? Is it a
four way time?

Speaker 10 (01:31:16):
No? Three way?

Speaker 4 (01:31:17):
Eventually we'll get back to fourth.

Speaker 5 (01:31:19):
Yeah, all the four and thirteen teams that tied rotate.

Speaker 8 (01:31:23):
Yeah. I just think it will be really fun with
Henderson and Stevenson. I think it's a perfect pairing between
the two of those guys. I go immediately to David
Montgomery engineer Gibbs, like, you have a guy that's between
the tackles, bruiser, a real sledgehammer with Stevenson. And we've
talked a lot about the fumbling issues with Mandre and
I think a big part of that is just how

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much volume he's taken on over the last couple of
years of trying to be really a three down player
in the offense because they haven't had a true change
of pace back that can kind of take some of
the pressure off of him. So having a fresher mare
Stevenson having less on his plate, does that make him
a better player? Does that make him a less stepped
world of fumbles and having ball security issues. I think

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that two of those guys together, it's not redundant at all.
You can see how they can kind of fill in
each other's holes and be, you know, a little bit
more explosive in the passing game than Remandre is.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
The home run threat.

Speaker 7 (01:32:18):
That that, to me, is the huge piece of this puzzle,
and that I think we get in so many debates
about running backs and teams trying to build themselves around
the run, but having that explosive element of the running
game that that's.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
Promising to me.

Speaker 7 (01:32:30):
I think that Vrabel and this new regime, they understand
how they have to win games, and that's with with
Drake May's arm ultimately, but building a complimentary running game
that can take a little bit of pressure off him.
I mean that these are the things we talked about
when we're throwing genty out there, of ya, you know,
and obviously these are different players, but but not that
much really. I mean, I think the elements of genty
that we're appealing in, if it all worked out perfectly,

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are a lot of what Henderson will bring to the table.

Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
Did we get our first reach with the Bengals taking
Demetrius Knight Junior.

Speaker 5 (01:33:00):
Yeah, A lot of people sort of talked about that.
Obviously a player they really like though.

Speaker 8 (01:33:06):
My boy, I think what we're at the point, you know,
just looking at a lot of these picks, Like Terrence
Ferguson I had as like a fringe top one hundred
guide probably a little early for him to but really
what we're getting at now is just everybody's board is
so widely different in a draft like this, and like
there's not a ton separating some of these guys at
this point. So if that's your fit, if that's your

(01:33:28):
type of player, then you're just taking your guy and
you're cool with it. The other position that I think
is a little bit you know, getting passed on right
now is corner. There's a lot of corners out there still,
you know, Ben Morrison's out there. Trey Amos I don't
think has been picked yet. He hasn't as a rate.

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Thomas from Florida State. I'm terrible with names. Chavon Revel,
East Carolina is coming off an injury, but he a
lot of people thought he was like a top fifty guy.
So corners are getting pushed down the board by all
these ed dressers. It seems like right now on the
defensive side of the ball. I'm shocked at Amos as
in gonyet so to.

Speaker 5 (01:34:05):
Be honest, like I expected a lot more of that, Like,
you know, someone's top hundred might have five or six
guys taken that warn't in there because of the way
everybody talked about this draft.

Speaker 4 (01:34:16):
But it hasn't yet.

Speaker 5 (01:34:17):
It's going to be wildly similar from twenty to seventy
or something whatever, Right, But so far, most of the
boards have been pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
Yeah, and Mike Green's still out there right.

Speaker 8 (01:34:26):
Like, yeah, Mike Green.

Speaker 4 (01:34:28):
Well, Nick Courton just went when Dylan writes and he
wants to know why we think Mike Green is falling?

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
Oh boy, sexual assault allegation.

Speaker 4 (01:34:37):
H he's got some off fields.

Speaker 7 (01:34:38):
I said to Evan, I've never been to the commine
where I heard a guy at the podium and I
just was walking by and all I heard him saying
was like I've never been formally charged with anything.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
I'm like, oh, that ain't going good over there.

Speaker 7 (01:34:49):
Have you guys seen something like this, like when do
we get into uncharted territory where a guy who every
mock draft was a first round pick is now really
I mean, when is he going to go?

Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
It's what point is it working?

Speaker 5 (01:35:00):
I mean, I'm sure that the draft knicks would tell you,
but I just can't think of a name right now.
But it happens, yeah, usually, you know, I remember, like
Nikobe Dean was the guy that all of a sudden,
like the draft came around and it was like what
wasn't broken on him? He had like a shoulder problem,
the knee problem, and he had a lot of injury
red flags and it's kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
A first round some people.

Speaker 5 (01:35:22):
A lot of people thought him first potential too, and
he fell. But in terms of red flags, I mean,
I don't know where a d. Mitchell was supposed to
go last year.

Speaker 8 (01:35:32):
Exactly, probably higher than he's.

Speaker 5 (01:35:35):
Definitely higher than he did. But I don't know if
he was supposed to be this his round pick.

Speaker 8 (01:35:38):
Yeah, but this is for almost forgetting for two rounds
the day that's a good pick by Tennessee. Uh yeah,
I were Mike Green. I don't at this point like
this is Mike getting drafted, Like yeah, I don't know.
I mean, just watching the edges fly off the board
like one after another and it's not him.

Speaker 5 (01:35:57):
I I just wonder if there is a chance that
you don't see him at all and then someone just
you know, takes a sixth round flyer on him or
something says, you know what's the worst if if he
has what you know, he's on a zero Tarnlan's policy
and one one strike and he's gone. But you lose
nothing because six or seventh round pick.

Speaker 4 (01:36:15):
Craign's central mass. You guys are peaking professionally tonight Deuce
got new uniforms, Fred got the topic pick the top
pick to laugh at a joke about paint. They're talking football,
so Evan is happy, while Paul was only slightly negative
about the second pick, complaining that his first name is
hard to tell.

Speaker 5 (01:36:31):
Thank you, my god, I can't remember liking to pick.

Speaker 4 (01:36:36):
That much anyway. When do you see the center from
Georgia going? And is he worth investing a pick in
to take the job from Bradbury next year? Tip them picks?

Speaker 8 (01:36:45):
He says, well, sorry, who was the first center from Georgia?
Jared Wilson really talented player. I think that he's going
to be a starting center for sure, maybe even as
a rookie. I would say that we're getting into Jared
Wilson territory now. He's probably back into the top one
hundred kind of guy. If you're drafting Jared Wilson. Noah,
this high, like he's starting year one, Like that's not

(01:37:07):
maybe not day one, but I would be surprised if
if you keep him off the field. You're drafting a
center at sixty nine is high, you know, if you're
gonna go that position. So I would think that that
would probably be off their board just because of that.
It's a little aggressive at center.

Speaker 4 (01:37:23):
Right, All right, let's get back to some phone calls.
Eight five to five, Pats five hundred is the hotline.
Christian is a LA. What's up? Christian?

Speaker 13 (01:37:32):
Hey, you guys, thanks for taking my all this afternoon
on Draft stay two here in La Los Angeles where
it's sunny. But I am definitely cloudy. I I don't understand.
I don't I don't get it. I know they got
Mike Rabel, and I know exactly who he is and
exactly what he's doing. He's building the Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 16 (01:37:52):
Again.

Speaker 13 (01:37:52):
I know what he wants to do. He wants to
run first, play good defense, and win seventeen to fourteen.
We are no longer in a seventeen fourteen lead. We
are in a lead where you have to put points
on the board all right. And I don't mind the
kid Tevon Henderson. I don't mind him at all. But
he is not a lead.

Speaker 4 (01:38:10):
Okay, so what would you what should I'm up there, okay,
I'm just and I get it. So what should what
should Rabel have done of that? That?

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
You what?

Speaker 4 (01:38:20):
What didn't he do that you think he should have done?
So far?

Speaker 13 (01:38:24):
He should not have taken a running back with our
second pick when we have two. Oh, they're not superstars anymore.
But Mandre has this problem. And I told you and
get it. He's okay, I get it. They're not superstars.
We do not need a running back. We need a
impact player that could play.

Speaker 4 (01:38:41):
Put a name to it, put a name to it.

Speaker 13 (01:38:44):
I don't mind Jalen Nolan. I don't mind somebody's got.

Speaker 8 (01:38:48):
Well, he's still on the board watching well.

Speaker 4 (01:38:50):
He thinks they should have taken him.

Speaker 8 (01:38:52):
Yeah, but he's still They could take him at sixty nine,
I know, but he's still on the work.

Speaker 4 (01:38:55):
But he may not be sixty nine, but I I
so fifty something.

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
There we are.

Speaker 13 (01:39:01):
He's building a team for a league that does not
exist anymore.

Speaker 8 (01:39:05):
League Christian Christian Christian Christian Trayvon Henderson is not that
type of running back. Dude, he's pass He's not. He's
not Derrick Henry, right, can I We're not He's not
five three yards in the thought of dust. He averaged
seven yards of carry last year. It's an explosive running
back is a playmaker.

Speaker 13 (01:39:23):
Reason why kids and and Montgomery able to do what
they do is because they have a sievers that can
back up the linebackers that can back up the safety.
I don't care about this kid. When the safety is in,
the linebacker are going to crash. The box's not going
to It's not that good league. And I'm so mad.

Speaker 5 (01:39:39):
Okay, all right, can I just go on recres. I
don't believe. I don't know. I don't believe any bit
of that.

Speaker 4 (01:39:50):
That's l A. I'm sorry, but I like it, Christian.
I love it. Good stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:39:58):
Let's just wait to the end the night, Like, let's
see what they do in the third round, Like there's
still receivers out there.

Speaker 5 (01:40:03):
I really like Jalen Knowle too, right, Yeah, I was thinking,
you know, thirty eight, I would have liked him. Well,
we'll like fifteen twenty picks after that. He's still on
the board, so maybe you know, I know this is
hard to maybe I'm wrong, yeah, but you know, maybe
you know, no one else thought he was worthy of
a pick yet.

Speaker 4 (01:40:21):
Either, But you know, I'll play the game. Let's just
say that that is truly you know, rage coming from
Christian But like I like it. They needed a left
tackle too, right, Oh yeah, if you don't take a
left tackle, then that word neglect comes back into play.

Speaker 5 (01:40:36):
I would just argue that I get the whole thing
about trying to win games, you know, strictly on defense,
and I hate it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:45):
You guys know that, right, they just took offensive players.

Speaker 5 (01:40:48):
But I think that the the offensive player that they
took you can easily put into that category. Oh, they
just want to run the ball and stop the run. Now, Like,
I don't think that's this kind of running back.

Speaker 4 (01:41:00):
He's two oh two, he's a fast guy.

Speaker 5 (01:41:02):
I think he's a home run here. I think he's
a big play guy that they're going to look to
try to make some plays with.

Speaker 8 (01:41:06):
Right, They're going to try to get this guy the
ball in space. You don't have to go three yards
in a cloud of dust. Like you can make big
plays in the passing game. You can, you know, sort
of try to you know, have a big play running
attack too. I mean, I'm not suggesting you give this
guy twenty five carries a game.

Speaker 5 (01:41:23):
I don't want to do that, but can can you
you scheme up some stuff and get him in space?

Speaker 8 (01:41:29):
He's not even that kind of guy, right, Like, you
want to get this guy like ten to twelve touches
a game where.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
He's in a lot of tools going for ten yards plus.

Speaker 8 (01:41:35):
Right on right, And I would just say, you know,
fair or not, Luther Burden and Travon Henderson will be
Lad mccacky and Jalen Polk right like there we are
going to compare those two players. They got picked back
to back. The Bears picked Burden, the Patriots picked Henderson,
and whether it was fake or not, if Luthor Burden
goes on to have a great career and Travon Henderson doesn't,

(01:41:58):
then then Christians outrage will be warranted like that.

Speaker 5 (01:42:02):
That's how it works.

Speaker 8 (01:42:03):
Yeah, those are the coin flips, and that that was
a coin flip.

Speaker 5 (01:42:06):
And by the way, if you're allowed to be outraged
before it happens too, I mean I remember being sort
of outraged on the Taekwon Thornton pick with all the
receivers that were picked right around him. All the receivers
picked right around him weren't all good. It was one
that was much better than him, one that was good,
and one that's kind of done nothing. Sky Moore. Right,

(01:42:28):
it was George Pickens, Alec Pearce, and sky Moore. Now
I would take all three of them over Taekwon Thoharton.
Don't get me wrong, but sky Moore has really done
nothing in one of the best offenses in football. So
you never know.

Speaker 4 (01:42:42):
Patty, let's see. You gotta get my mouth, Patty's inn agawam.
What's up? Patty?

Speaker 5 (01:42:47):
One sure signing note?

Speaker 4 (01:42:55):
Okay, fair enough.

Speaker 14 (01:42:57):
I want to I want to get into some of
the ways I know, like two of the guys. I
really like to hear some Jalen noell are on the board, Evan.
I wanted to ask you, have you watched any film
on Yes, his name's escaped me.

Speaker 5 (01:43:11):
The kid from Utah State, Jalen Royals.

Speaker 14 (01:43:14):
Jalen Royals. Yeah, because like I've only seen highlights. He
looks like he's a little deliberate when he's running his route,
but as soon as the ball gets in his hands,
like he like kicks into another gear. And then I
don't know if I'm just seeing stuff I want to
see if you see the same thing, and Mike listen,
calm down, buddy. By the end of the night, the
Patriots will have Jack Sawyer on the team. Oh I

(01:43:35):
got let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:43:37):
Thanks.

Speaker 8 (01:43:38):
Yeah. Jalen Royals fits right into that same mold with
Kyle Williams and Jalen Nole, Like they're all kind of
speed slots. I would agree with Patty good good scouting. Patty.
I think he's better with the ball in his hands
than he is as a route runner in terms of
his play speed. But he reminded me a little bit
of your guy, Jayden Reied. He reminds me a little
bit of him, a similar type of player. So he's

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still out there if that's their their pick. And again
it's it's kind of uh Noel, Kyle Williams, Jalen, Jalen Royals,
you know, used to be Isaiah Boss. I'm just going
to say for one out, but all four of those
guys were kind of in a cluster and it was
sort of just pick your flavor, pick your choice out
of that group.

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
I like those guys. Be happy with any of those guys.

Speaker 8 (01:44:21):
Speed now, but good players well as long as they
have speed. Yea, they have speeds.

Speaker 7 (01:44:26):
That's what we've been saying since I think the end
of last season was that's the element you need in
that room. I think they've got a lot of guys
in that room that you know, do certain things well,
but they don't have anybody who can chew up the
field and really.

Speaker 4 (01:44:38):
Ce j and Case. I just want to say how
pumped I am for the Henderson pick. Solid pick that
can help Day one. I can't remember the last Ohio
State player the Patriots pick, but I hope that changes,
especially since their wide receiver you now, I hope we
aren't in a position to pick Juremiah Smith in a
couple of years when he's available, but I maybe give
up the whole twenty twenty seven draft to move up

(01:44:59):
and get him. Thanks for the great draft.

Speaker 5 (01:45:02):
Coverage that be Andy katziwhere.

Speaker 4 (01:45:07):
Katzimore was. Yeah, Terry Glenn was the best probably that
they picked for Ohios.

Speaker 10 (01:45:12):
Stay.

Speaker 8 (01:45:12):
I'm glad there's one. There's one sooner than Cats and Moore. Nate, Yeah,
I think it might be Nate Ebner. I'll look it up.

Speaker 7 (01:45:20):
With Belton going now though it's just this is what
we talked about. Now, now you're trying to project tackles,
and it's a tough spot to be in right now
if you felt like I need to get a left
tackle or you know even really at this point, right
tackle that can play. And now you're crossing your fingers
and hoping that one of these guys is gonna make.

Speaker 8 (01:45:38):
A k Yeah. I mean I didn't even think Anthony Belton.
I didn't have him in my top one hundred picks.
So like you're already starting to kind of like get
into that Kiden Wallace territory of like we're reading out
tackles because we need a guy. Now. The other side
of it, Ery did make it to thirty eight. Yeah,
so you could have done Ash and Genty Ursery instead
of Will Campbell Traveon Henderson. So that's another one that

(01:46:03):
we'll look back and we'll say, you know, which would
which one would have been better? Would Urcery and Genty
would have been better or Henderson and Campbell. It's kind
of funny that they're both tackles and running back, so
we'll have an exact now, different teams.

Speaker 4 (01:46:15):
Interesting, but yeah, tweet that out.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
I bet that would get some traction.

Speaker 8 (01:46:18):
Yeah, I think I'm gonna keep that one.

Speaker 4 (01:46:20):
Yeah, I think yeah. Let's go to Ray and Dedham.
What's up? Ray?

Speaker 9 (01:46:28):
Hey, Hey, what's up guys?

Speaker 4 (01:46:30):
Great show? Thank you.

Speaker 9 (01:46:32):
First of all, Henderson was a great back. Okay, so
you know together previous caller, I think he's a little
you know, all off face there. But two picks later, uh,
the Saints picked Tyler Shaw as quarterback instead of Shador Sanders. So,

(01:46:53):
I mean that was kind of like a holy, holy
crap moment because Tyla Shaw I was expecting him to be,
you know, in that mix. So why is should Sanders
falling so far?

Speaker 4 (01:47:06):
Yeah, it's a good question.

Speaker 18 (01:47:07):
Ray.

Speaker 4 (01:47:08):
I mean we've heard, we've heard everything in this pre
draft process from people are not understanding his gifts, that
he's talented and it was a product of the system
that he just couldn't, you know, be that quarterback on
tape that you know, with all the refinement that he
had to do what he did. And then the other
side of the argument is that he wasn't you know,

(01:47:30):
he didn't have that thing, that he doesn't have the
patience he got out of you know, off platform too quickly.
He was you know, he didn't give the play chance
to develop. He was and he doesn't have that great
an arm. So you heard both sides of it. And
I don't know who to believe because I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:47:46):
Not physically he's not great now. I think he's probably
a better player than Tyler Shuck, but yeah, I mean
he's not.

Speaker 8 (01:47:54):
He's not a first round talent that too, Tyler Shucks.

Speaker 9 (01:47:57):
So if he falls of to the third round, Cleveland
has a couple of picks in the third round. They
can wait till like ninety four together because nobody else
needs a quarterback at this point.

Speaker 8 (01:48:10):
Yeah, I could. Yeah, I stun Thanks for everything that
I hear heard about your door going up to this
is just how awful his interview process was.

Speaker 4 (01:48:21):
That didn't hurt, that didn't help.

Speaker 8 (01:48:23):
Yeah, I think that that's a big party. Why like
what was it just or just yeah, one of the
entitled like one of the worst interviews of this, like
these executives' careers, you know in the NFL, you know.
And I'm not saying that that's true, like this is
all anonymous sourcing and all that kind of stuff with
all these reports, but that's what's being said about.

Speaker 4 (01:48:45):
It, even in like third round or fourth round. You
take this guy and you have to realize there's going
to be a constant drumbeat by maybe half your fan
base and certainly his dad that he should be playing
right now.

Speaker 5 (01:48:57):
Yeah, so I've I was thinking about that for some
of these teams that aren't necessarily looking to plug him
in as the starter right away. What's he going to
be like?

Speaker 4 (01:49:06):
Is like he's the Giants.

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
My chance was my chance?

Speaker 5 (01:49:09):
You suddenly Joe Milton's a problem. He's a Dallas cowboy.
This is this is this is time it all comes around.
I'm not going to blame you because you were on
my side last year when we had this conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:49:22):
This is where we were.

Speaker 8 (01:49:24):
We were called.

Speaker 5 (01:49:24):
Baby, I was called a baby. I was I was
told to take my ball and go home if I recalled,
and once again I was right. So tired of being right.

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
I'm tired of it too. Because the Patriots have been
four and twelve.

Speaker 8 (01:49:40):
You wanted to get rid of Tom Brady, all right.
You invited thists because of you.

Speaker 5 (01:49:47):
You are the reason you invited you. This is this
is on you.

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
This is why they sent me over here.

Speaker 8 (01:49:54):
Really quickly, Trey Harris went to the Chargers. So he
was sort of the other ex receiver that we were
talking about earlier. Uh so you know there are some
receivers that are starting to go slowly here off the board.
Uh if you're I was a Trey Harris guy too.
I liked him.

Speaker 5 (01:50:08):
Another local product went too.

Speaker 8 (01:50:10):
It was kind of like Ted McMillan, Uh, Jayden Higgins,
Trey Harris, like those were kind of the three tiers
of that type of player. So, uh, now we're getting
into the Dante Thorntons and the Isaac Teslaws and like
those types of guys if you want that true outside
the numbers.

Speaker 4 (01:50:26):
Ethan in La says Henderson hasn't fumbled since his freshman year,
perfect third down back. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:50:32):
Yeah, it's got a lot of like Bill and that,
Like just reliable team guy.

Speaker 10 (01:50:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
It's just it seems like he's checks a lot of
those off the field.

Speaker 5 (01:50:39):
But I just need him to be a playmaker. That's
all I'm working for. I want someone that can put
some pressure on a defense. So, Mike, they're not easy
to you. Yeah, I was saying. Another local guy, Ozzie Trapilo,
went to the I thought for him though, I thought
he had Patriots written, well, yeah, this is he's going

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to go tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:51:01):
He was.

Speaker 5 (01:51:01):
I would have been shocked if he didn't go tonight.

Speaker 7 (01:51:03):
Okay, Yeah, Bears their interesting team this saf season. I
mean I almost forgot that they had gotten Tooney. I mean,
they're they're going to try to make some noise there
and that and that Tony Domon you know, and uh
that other Jonah Jackson. I mean it kind of likes
just the philosophy of let's solidify our aligne with with veterans,
and let's just keep adding youth and explosiveness to our weaponry.

Speaker 5 (01:51:24):
And big play guys, you know, with Lovelins to go
with Caleb Williams. I mean, let's face it, you could
talk about all this stuff. If Caleb Williams doesn't have
some development in year two, just like we're talking about
here with Drake May, it's going to be all or not.
You can do all the right things, and if your
quarterback doesn't develop, you're going to be limited.

Speaker 8 (01:51:42):
Uh'd be interesting to see where he plays Trpillo because
he played right tackle at Boston College. Most people think
that he's best at right tackle. They have Darnell Wright,
who they dis drafted in the first round a couple
of years ago was their right tackle and they had
more of a whole Chicago at left tackle. So are
they thinking of trying to flip Trpillo to left tackle?
You know, he's probably the best tackle on the board

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to if you're going to do it, I understand thinking
that way instead of overdrafting a tackle. Now it's really
a Day three guy that you're drafting here just because
he plays on the left side.

Speaker 7 (01:52:13):
I'm blanking on his name. The mercurial receiver from the
Bears who was on Carolina.

Speaker 8 (01:52:17):
Dj Moore.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
I think they tried to move him maybe, Like I
don't know, it's just I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:52:21):
I wonder if he's on board now with all these
moves eyeballs for Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:52:25):
Yeah, it seems like, I mean he was. He was
kind of pouty last year, right, nothing crazy, Yeah, No,
he was.

Speaker 5 (01:52:31):
Yeah, And you wonder how much of that pouting was
because of Caleb Williams, Right, And if that was, you know,
he didn't like playing with Caleb Williams, then maybe you
try to move him.

Speaker 10 (01:52:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:52:39):
Tate Ratledge to the Lions. Nice, really good player, really
nice pick for the Lions. I didn't really love Tate
Ratledge for the Patriots because he's been a solely a
right guard at Georgia and has never played any left guard.
I think there was a lot of people that did
really like him as a Patriot fit. But I think
it's like something like forty careers starts all at right

(01:53:00):
guard at Georgia, so he would have had to. We
were all anti flipping the tackles, and so it kind
of has to stand the reason that we're anti flipping
the guards also right So a good player though, that's
a good pick.

Speaker 4 (01:53:12):
By the line, Oh boy, this this one this email
or Paul writes in curious if the listeners feel the
same way I do. Fred, Paul and Mike are conversational.
There is a nice flow of ideas. It's like hanging
out at a bar with your friends. Evan, on the
other hand, is lecturing people when he talks in an
angry manner. His opinion is the only opinion. Did Eric

(01:53:33):
return with football knowledge? If someone could remove the stick
from Evans took us, he may relax and be a
good listen. Long live Barth. So I wonder if this
is Bartha's burner. This could be Bartha's berner.

Speaker 5 (01:53:46):
I really like that email.

Speaker 8 (01:53:47):
Yeah, I apologize for taking it too seriously. I'll take
it less seriously, and there we go. I'll take it
less seriously for the email. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'll
put my notes away and I'll just you know, Mike.

Speaker 5 (01:54:03):
You and I sit down and watch football with Fred.
It's sort of just a free conversation because I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:54:08):
Know what the hell I'm talking about.

Speaker 8 (01:54:10):
I am one hundred percent not conversational when it comes
to this. I fully admit that I let you guys
handle the conversational and you know you call on me
when it's my turn.

Speaker 4 (01:54:19):
All right, that's why those ball are you gonna like
go in the corner?

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
Now?

Speaker 8 (01:54:23):
Apparently I just won't cover the draft when when we
come on the clock at sixty nine, I'll come back.

Speaker 4 (01:54:28):
And I used to do that once in a while.
All Right, I just won't talk.

Speaker 1 (01:54:30):
Fine, Yeah, I won't share my gift half.

Speaker 5 (01:54:33):
I'm not doing it with down.

Speaker 4 (01:54:36):
Eric returned with football knowledge.

Speaker 8 (01:54:38):
I mean, at least he said I had football knowledge.
Like I guess there's that.

Speaker 5 (01:54:42):
Nope, that's the funniest part right there. Like the fact
that he got made fun of is of no consequence.
The guy, the guy.

Speaker 4 (01:54:50):
The guy said, I had football college.

Speaker 8 (01:54:54):
Oh yeah, I absolutely do not care if I am
conversational or not during the draft. No, this is gott
this is too important.

Speaker 1 (01:55:01):
We got to get it out.

Speaker 4 (01:55:03):
Clinton, Omaha, Clinton Henderson about Henderson, really impressed by his
willingness to block, as well as the eleven plus yards
per catch. Josh should be able to take advantage of that.
Trey Harris seems like a shaky pick, very limited routree
at Ole Miss. His best take may have been at
Louisiana Tech. Yeah, I prefer.

Speaker 7 (01:55:24):
William mental pick. Though I think, you know, there's a
lot appealing about Trey Harris. I think off the bus
he looks just like, well, there's your guy. It's not
built like but like a lot of.

Speaker 5 (01:55:34):
Stuff they said about DK Metcalf and AJ Brown. Oh,
I don't know. How about the rout tree. You know,
because if you remember, if you thought that DK Metcalf
was better than Kenei ol' harry, you're an idiot.

Speaker 8 (01:55:45):
Yeah. I don't know if he's as explosive as those
two guys, but there's no problem of him being a
limited routree in Los Angeles. His job is going to
be the run routes on the outside and let lad
McConkie do Lad McConkie things. So like, it's not like
they're asking him to go out there and run like
these option routes in this diverse rout tree. He's gonna
run go routes. He's gonna run nine stops, he's gonna

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run in cuts, and they're gonna feed lad maconkie the ball.
They needed an outside receiver, they needed somebody that complimented
lad and and Cray Harris definitely does that.

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
Quentin Quentin Johnson.

Speaker 5 (01:56:18):
You don't have to rely on him as much. He's
too he's not reliable. Yeah, I mean he can make
some plays, but he drops too many balls and he's
not consistent. So now you have someone else take that out.

Speaker 4 (01:56:27):
You have a little insurance. You know, some Christian hate.
Can we give Christian an adderall Ethan? What a freaking boom, Christian? Please?

Speaker 5 (01:56:37):
Christians made the heel turn, he's embracing the heel turn.
He's in his Uh, that's Austin's Christian.

Speaker 4 (01:56:45):
Please to filling up those until you get that big
acting break and stay away from anything football, or at
least watch the videos or something. Can we petition a
sponsor lunches to never take another call from him again.
But if I don't take calls him, then you have
nothing to be mad about. And if you have nothing
to be mad about, it's not fun. So people hoping

(01:57:08):
for Osio Trapillo, he got taken, so we can't. We
can't get him. Sorry, sorry, Darius writes, in any chance
we skip on drafting a wide receiver because Rabel and
company have faith in Poke and Baker. Maybe he thinks
they can play, but wasn't developed and coach correctly. By
the way, I still have faith in Baker. He was

(01:57:30):
a dog in college and can learn from Digs hopefully.

Speaker 1 (01:57:34):
I mean, I get what he's trying to say.

Speaker 7 (01:57:37):
And that's why I would just say, like, I want
to add a receiver, but somebody that brings something different
of the party. I don't need to just add a
receiver to say we added a receiver. And that's why
I was kind of out on you know, guys like
Jack Bash or I mean, Ristreppo is kind of even
ridiculous out of the conversation now, but you know, early
on there were conversations about him, all these inside receivers
who aren't going to run the fastest, but they're reliable, Like,

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we don't need to do.

Speaker 1 (01:57:58):
It just to do it.

Speaker 7 (01:57:58):
If there's a guy with some speed that you feel
like brings a new element to the offense, I'm all
for it. But I don't need to see another guy
where he's probably gonna be the inside guy. He might
struggle to separate. I don't want to hear those things
about they don't need.

Speaker 1 (01:58:09):
It, they have If that's the case, like you said,
just let them fight it out with the guys that
they have and hope somebody emerge.

Speaker 5 (01:58:15):
And I would say, like, why can't you do both?
Why can't Mike ra Abel look at it and say
we're gonna do a better job of developing Polk and Baker,
but we need to get better.

Speaker 1 (01:58:22):
Yeah, and push them too.

Speaker 5 (01:58:24):
I mean, i'd say, because I think if Baker and
Polk develop, you still need playmakers. Like the best that
Polk is gonna be is sort of a possession receiver,
complimentary piece. They need playmakers. So why can't you look
for both? Why can't you hope that those guys are
better than they looked last year and want to get better? Yep,
And yeah, Jags is only going to be around so long.

Speaker 7 (01:58:46):
And I think that goes back to the heart of
the running back conversation, where it's like Henderson is not plotting,
you know big all right, We're gonna just ground him
into the ground.

Speaker 5 (01:58:54):
The previous email a eleven yards a catch.

Speaker 4 (01:58:57):
That like for a running back's that's good, that's off.

Speaker 5 (01:59:00):
That's better than slut receiversh Aaron Wright.

Speaker 4 (01:59:03):
So now that you're on video, I no longer need
to watch the draft somewhere. I do have some suggestions
to improve the draft show and eliminate some of the
whining about tippicks. One next up ticker to show who's
picking next two Evan's best available picks ticker sidebar. So
basically he wants to turn us into ESPN.

Speaker 8 (01:59:22):
Sure, I do like the best available because it's my
best three.

Speaker 4 (01:59:27):
Less Deuce and Evan, more Paul and Fred because this
is just because I am too old for less football,
more nonsense, and five. Tell me the pick sooner so
I can make money betting off my friends.

Speaker 8 (01:59:39):
So Jack Besh just went to the Raiders, and I'm
glad you brought Jack Besh up because I really liked
the player. But like He's he's a power slot, right
he A, He's a power slot, That's what he is.
And it just felt very redundant to me. It's another
guy that had, you know, issues or concerns with top
end speed and that sort of thing, and I just

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I didn't really love the fit because of that. You know,
if you're gonna add another receiver, I want to add
a guy that's got big playability.

Speaker 7 (02:00:09):
It's funny, like your Raiders unfiltered, what are they saying,
We got Jacobe Myers and I got another Like it's
kind of what I was talking about. It's, you know,
not completely redundant love. Jacoby Myers a reliable guy, but but.

Speaker 5 (02:00:19):
He's how much longer Seacon? I mean, there's a that
position gets a lot of wear and tear. So I
don't think that most of them lasts very long. They're
probably looking to move on.

Speaker 8 (02:00:32):
Yeah, here comes the should they call him? Jacoby Myers
calls uh, Mike Green is going to Baltimore. So the
Ravens have the.

Speaker 1 (02:00:41):
Zoo Boy and to work out for the rage.

Speaker 5 (02:00:45):
There's only three, four, five teams that can say, Okay,
I took him and then he got in trouble and
I had to cut him. Yeah, what are you gonna
get rid of? You know that that whole regime with
Harbaugh and and what's his name? Into cost But I
just say, why am I blanking Costa?

Speaker 10 (02:01:04):
Right?

Speaker 5 (02:01:05):
Costa?

Speaker 2 (02:01:06):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (02:01:07):
Those guys are entrenched. They do it as well as anybody.
They're not. They're not going to lose their job over
one bad pick, right, just and it doesn't work out.

Speaker 7 (02:01:13):
Another great moment here with best They'll getting drafted, fantastic.
You can see the joy in that family's face after
what they've been through over the last five months. It's just,
you know, it's another moment in the draft that's just
you know, heartwarming and nice to see and the reason
why you just you love the sport.

Speaker 1 (02:01:30):
This is what it brings out of people.

Speaker 8 (02:01:31):
NFL route runner like really good route runner physically.

Speaker 5 (02:01:34):
Alan Robinson to use young No, I could use some
young Allen Robinson coming out of Penn State.

Speaker 7 (02:01:41):
Was I was just laughing at physical yeat because physically
and a couple of physical yacts in college after some
long nights of party and you don't want to be
the physical.

Speaker 5 (02:01:49):
After some struggles on PP two Rolling Rocks you p
P two.

Speaker 4 (02:01:55):
Uh, Tim's in Seattle. What's up, Tim, Seattle?

Speaker 19 (02:02:00):
Big guys, I'm still seeing Kyle Kyle Williams from Washington State. Yeah,
I caught some of that guy out here. Obviously a
local guy to me at least, I actually kind of
see a bit of Steph Diggs in him, a little worried,

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just gonna get taken here. What do you guys think
about trading up? I guess you know, I could see
actually Vegas maybe taking him. But what do you think
about getting ahead of some of these.

Speaker 4 (02:02:32):
Other teams here and to get Kyle Williams.

Speaker 8 (02:02:35):
Yeah, I mean I'm a big fan of Kyle Williams' game.

Speaker 5 (02:02:38):
Vegas did not take him, they took back.

Speaker 8 (02:02:42):
Well, they have another pick, that's what he's saying they
do in the third round.

Speaker 4 (02:02:46):
Yeah, right before us.

Speaker 8 (02:02:49):
Right, but they're not going to take another receiver to
Paul's point, but I mean that that would be the
guy right my point that I would.

Speaker 5 (02:02:57):
Take things not loading properly because I have the Raiders done.

Speaker 4 (02:03:02):
But the Raiders just picked back, but they have another
pick before us.

Speaker 5 (02:03:08):
Yeah, it ends my round, ends mind.

Speaker 8 (02:03:11):
Jalen Nole also still available. Yeah, so between those two guys,
if they picked either one of those guys, I'd be
really happy with that.

Speaker 4 (02:03:18):
You guys want to hear from Trevion Henderson, Sure, yeah,
what's let's let's hear it.

Speaker 20 (02:03:22):
Matt Hey Trivia. Welcome to New England. My name is Andrea,
worked for the Boston Herald. First of all, how you feeling, man.

Speaker 2 (02:03:30):
I'm feeling. I'm feeling amazing, man, I'm feeling I'm excited. Good.

Speaker 20 (02:03:35):
Can you take us through from when your college season ends,
obviously with the championship, all the way through tonight. The
times you've spoken with the Patriots met with them, Where
were you what did you talk about?

Speaker 21 (02:03:46):
Yeah, I think only did one zoom meeting with the
running backs coach, and so other than that, you know, honestly,
you know, I had I.

Speaker 2 (02:03:56):
Had no clue that you know, New England was going
to be the spot. Uh, it was definitely. It was
definitely a surprise for me.

Speaker 5 (02:04:07):
Tan you're gonna your head coach is Mike Rabel, who's
in Ohio state along then must excite you.

Speaker 4 (02:04:12):
A little bit.

Speaker 21 (02:04:14):
Oh yeah, most definitely. You know, I know, I think
I'll watched the video. You know, he's trying to rebuild
the culture there and so man, I'm excited, you know,
I'm excited to be a part you know what what
he's what he's looking to accomplish.

Speaker 2 (02:04:29):
Travion.

Speaker 3 (02:04:29):
For those who don't know you, how would you describe
your game?

Speaker 21 (02:04:35):
I say, I'm fast, I'm explosive. You know, I'm good
and one on one matchups, you know, my receiving, the ability,
my blocking, you know, I'm pretty I pretty much.

Speaker 2 (02:04:45):
Can do it all.

Speaker 18 (02:04:49):
Him. I'm Sophia, but a I'm just curious.

Speaker 8 (02:04:53):
What are you familiar with trait May at all? His
style of play, and just what's your level of excitement
to kind of get in here and with.

Speaker 13 (02:05:00):
Him as your cornerback.

Speaker 21 (02:05:02):
Yeah, I'm familiar with him. Great, great player. You know,
I'm excited, you know, to play alongside of him, and yeah,
you know, I just I can't I can't wait to
get started, you know, to get there and get started
to get to work with him.

Speaker 22 (02:05:14):
Trevian, how did your experience the last four years at
Ohio State prepare you for this opportunity?

Speaker 9 (02:05:20):
You've had some ups and downs, but how did that
experience prepare you to play in the NFL.

Speaker 21 (02:05:25):
Yeah, you know, man, I'm thankful. You know, I heard
a lot you know from the players in the past.
You know who played in the past, you know who
played their NFL careers. How they said Ohio State did
a good job of preparing him for what's next. And
so you know, all the meeting is pretty much this
whole draft process. I can say, you know, Ohio State
prepared me for that, and you know, I'm believing, you know,
what they put us through will prepare me. You know,

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have prepared me for you know, when I take those steps,
you know, and get there. You know, the New England
and so.

Speaker 20 (02:05:56):
Trivian, how familiar are you with Josh McDaniels and how
he used it running backs within his offense.

Speaker 21 (02:06:04):
Yeah, I'm not too familiar with it, but I'm looking.
I'm excited, you know, to learn, you know, to get
coach Bob and so yeah, you know, I'm excited. You know,
I'm just excited to.

Speaker 2 (02:06:16):
Learn and grow, Trivia.

Speaker 23 (02:06:18):
One of the big things we've seen go through notes
is ball security and how well do you took care
of the ball to Ohio State? How important is that
for you as a player?

Speaker 2 (02:06:28):
Very important?

Speaker 21 (02:06:30):
You know, one of the something we did almost every
week at Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (02:06:33):
And I know we put the ball on the ground.

Speaker 21 (02:06:36):
You know, it's the high possibility you're coming out and
you're probably not playing a game, and so that encouraged
me a lot, you know, to hold on to the
ball because it can cause the team, especially in those
big matchup games, and so you know, that's something that
I'm looking forward to carrying on to the next level
as well, just holding.

Speaker 2 (02:06:49):
On to the ball.

Speaker 23 (02:06:51):
I also want to know about how good is your
trophy security, because you showed that at the White House
with the fumbled JD Vans.

Speaker 3 (02:06:58):
Is that something you can promise to Patriots fans?

Speaker 2 (02:07:02):
Uh, you know, I can't.

Speaker 21 (02:07:03):
I can't make a promise, but uh yeah, I'll just say,
you know, I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (02:07:07):
Give it everything that I got to hold onto that ball.

Speaker 20 (02:07:11):
Just going back for a second, so you said you
have the zoom call with coach dous Nothing, it's combined,
no proda if you if you ever talked with coach Rabel.

Speaker 2 (02:07:19):
No, I don't.

Speaker 21 (02:07:21):
I don't recall having a meeting with them.

Speaker 2 (02:07:24):
Yeah. No, there was honestly a surprise. It is a
surprise for sure, Trevian.

Speaker 23 (02:07:29):
How much do you know about the running backs on
the Patriot's roster Remindra Stevenson and Antonio Gibson, And what
are your thoughts about joining that room.

Speaker 21 (02:07:36):
Yeah, you know, I'm excited to really learn from those guys. Man,
I'm excited to be part of that room. And yeah,
looking to build and grow with those guys. You know,
I'm looking forward to that.

Speaker 24 (02:07:47):
Trevian, generally running backs some bit of a transition or
a struggle to pick up pass protection schemes, blitzes.

Speaker 4 (02:07:55):
You seem to be really good at it.

Speaker 16 (02:07:56):
How did you get to be just good at it
at this stage your career?

Speaker 21 (02:08:00):
Yeah, getting developed at Ohio State, you know, the coaches
there and just competing against some of the best players
every day in practice, you know, help helped me out
a lot. And so that's something I continue to look,
you know, to work at and bring on to the leaders.

Speaker 2 (02:08:13):
You know.

Speaker 21 (02:08:13):
I know that's very important, you know, as a running back,
and so that's something that I got to definitely continue
to work at and making sure I'm staying on top
of trivia and with.

Speaker 22 (02:08:21):
The Zoom meeting.

Speaker 23 (02:08:22):
When was that and what else do you remember about that?

Speaker 21 (02:08:27):
I don't remember when it was. It was more so
I believe it's like early on you know, after the
after the combine, I believe, and so you know, it's
more so just getting to know your background, seeing how
well do you know ball, how fast can you pick
up the system?

Speaker 2 (02:08:41):
And I believe I did a pretty good job.

Speaker 21 (02:08:43):
You know, I don't if I if I did a
bad job, I don't know if they would have picked me. So, yeah,
I think I did a good job.

Speaker 22 (02:08:52):
This through just the whole moment.

Speaker 4 (02:08:54):
Who was with you and you got the call and
just what your reaction was like when you saw the
number come.

Speaker 18 (02:09:00):
Across your screen.

Speaker 21 (02:09:02):
Yeah, I was with my mom and dad, my grandma,
both of my grandmothers, and my brother on the couch, and.

Speaker 2 (02:09:09):
Yeah, when I got that call, it was It's crazy.

Speaker 21 (02:09:12):
I didn't I didn't even know who had who had
to pick at the time as well, because I forgot
what was on the TV at the time.

Speaker 2 (02:09:18):
And so when I was.

Speaker 21 (02:09:19):
Getting a call, you know, I was I was shocked.
I was definitely shocked. And yeah, the excided. You know,
I prayed on this. You know, there's been a lot
of sacrifices, you know, a lot of hard work, and
so you know, I'm just thankful that God has put
me in this position and that he's leading me to
New England. You know, I know it's for a great reason.

Speaker 2 (02:09:37):
And so.

Speaker 17 (02:09:39):
I did touch Rabel have a message for you when
when you were picked.

Speaker 2 (02:09:45):
Yeah, honestly, I'm not gonna lie to y'all.

Speaker 21 (02:09:48):
The moment went by so fast. I barely I barely
remember too much. I was so I was so excited.
It was going by so fast. Yeah, there was just
some you most as I barely remember. We're going to
finish up with two final questions from online here, So
we're going to start with Taylor Kyles Travion.

Speaker 2 (02:10:09):
Thank you for your time. Man, Welcome to New Witlntngrats
on getting drafted.

Speaker 21 (02:10:13):
I read in the scouting report that said that you're
motivated by your mother, So I'm curious. Can you tell
us a little bit about that relationship and why she
inspires you so much? Yeah, she she inspires me a lot,
and definitely definitely when I was younger, you know, seeing
all the sacrifices, everything that she had to sacrifice to
help her out from me and my other two brothers.

Speaker 2 (02:10:33):
You know, she she worked really hard.

Speaker 21 (02:10:35):
And you know when Tom got tough, you know, she
she didn't give up, you know, and so that was
more so my encouragement. You know, when I first got
to Ohio State, when Tom got tough, you know, just
seeing everything that she went through and her not giving
up and encouraged me.

Speaker 2 (02:10:49):
You know, when Tom got tough to I give up.
And so yeah, I'm thankful. Thank you again.

Speaker 18 (02:10:55):
Sorry.

Speaker 25 (02:10:56):
The final question from Chris Ryan.

Speaker 26 (02:10:59):
Hey, congrats, that's welcome to UH to New England. Just
what excites you the most about this particular opportunity and
what kind of your initial thoughts on what this team
is and what you can bring.

Speaker 21 (02:11:12):
Yeah, what excites me the most, you know, is just
being part of the culture. You know, I'm just excited
to learn about the culture, to learn about what they're
trying to do there, and I believe, you know, they're
trying to you know, they're trying to compete for Super Bowl,
and so you know, I'm just excited to come there,

(02:11:32):
and I know God is leading me there for a reason,
and so you know, I'm just walking by faith, and
you know, I don't I don't understand it all now,
but you know eventually I will, you know, eventually, I will.
So yeah, I'm just I'm honestly just excited, you know, and.

Speaker 26 (02:11:47):
How do you feel that you're run with Ohio State
kind of prepared you for a playoff type football, the
type of you know environment this team is looking to
you have to get to where you guys faced a
lot of adversity this year, particularly after the Michigan game.
But what did you learn about, you know, what it
takes to win in those types of situations.

Speaker 2 (02:12:04):
Yeah, you know, I think the biggest thing is just.

Speaker 21 (02:12:08):
You know, at Ohio State we talked about the brotherhood,
and last year the brotherhood was really special. You know,
when times got tough, you know, we stayed together. And
I believe a big part of that is because of
our faith in Jesus and so, you know, I'm just.

Speaker 2 (02:12:24):
That's that's the most important thing.

Speaker 10 (02:12:25):
You know.

Speaker 21 (02:12:26):
It's just you know, we have to be willing to
love each other, to fight for each other, to be
all you know, brought in and have the same goal
in mind. And yeah, you know, I'm just decided how
I can be part of that, you know, how I
can learn, however I can grow, you know, That's what
I'm That's what I'm willing to do. You know, they're
willing to help the team however. You know, however, I
can so thank you, yep, thank you, thank.

Speaker 25 (02:12:48):
You very much for your time and congratulations.

Speaker 2 (02:12:51):
All right, thank you so much, appreciate John.

Speaker 4 (02:12:53):
Okay, all right, that's Trevon Henderson, newest running back for
the New England Patriots. And I have a question, so
does the obviously he's probably doing this from his home.
I would imagine does the league send every player of
thirty two caps so that whoever picks them they can
just throw on a cap.

Speaker 8 (02:13:12):
I do believe they do. Yeah, I think that the question.
They send a box of thirty two of them, but
not to I don't think it's to every prospect. It's
probably just like the consensus top one hundred guys or
something like that. I don't think the guy's picking in
the seventh round or getting hats.

Speaker 7 (02:13:28):
I had a similar question for about the Jerseys and
how the guys were able to get up there and
they already and they had a little behind the scenes
thing on the NFL about they have like the jersey
printer in the back right there and as soon as
the pick is like coming in, they tell the guy
and he's putting it together right away.

Speaker 4 (02:13:40):
So yeah, maybe that's why they need to delay before
they announced it so they can get the jersey right right.
Maybe we've collected we've overthought it. We think it's always
about rating. No, it's about getting that damn jersey right.

Speaker 1 (02:13:53):
The jersey is ready all right.

Speaker 4 (02:13:55):
We already knew that, So that was What do you
think after listening to him?

Speaker 1 (02:13:59):
Yeah, I mean that's about what I expect.

Speaker 7 (02:14:01):
It sounded like, you know, well spoken guy and a
guy who really seems to understand himself his role in
the offense and what he does well. And I'm excited
to at him, you know, into the mix. I think
it's always hard with like the first thing I always
think about is getting first glimpses of these guys. And
it's so hard to get excited about running backs in
the spring and summer when you really can't tell till

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you get into the game.

Speaker 1 (02:14:22):
So there's that part of it.

Speaker 7 (02:14:24):
We'll see some intrigue probably maybe during training camp when
the Pats come on a little bit, but you don't
really get a sense of what these guys are going
to contribute till you get to the game. So they'll
be an element of unknown with Henderson, how big his
role is going to be, how they're going to divide
up the carries once we get to the regular season.

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Speaker 27 (02:18:38):
Buddy, we're happy as hell and we're excited for you.
Make sure you thank everybody that that helps you get here.

Speaker 10 (02:18:44):
Okay, sir, family, how you.

Speaker 5 (02:19:01):
Doing man, I'm doing good. Hey, this is Cam.

Speaker 1 (02:19:04):
Williams from the Patriots.

Speaker 28 (02:19:05):
Man.

Speaker 4 (02:19:06):
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Speaker 10 (02:19:07):
He's on the line. He's ready to fulfill you in
on some things.

Speaker 29 (02:19:10):
Yes, sir, congratulations man, we're gonna make you our first round.

Speaker 10 (02:19:15):
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Speaker 4 (02:19:16):
You're in New England, Patriots Man, Thank you.

Speaker 29 (02:19:18):
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Speaker 10 (02:19:24):
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Speaker 10 (02:19:36):
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Speaker 27 (02:19:38):
So, yes, sir, well, we're looking forward to seeing you
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Speaker 10 (02:19:43):
And and we're excited to have you. Okay, yes, sir,
thank you, I appreciate it. Well, just thank everybody that
helps you get here. I'm gonna let you talk to mister.

Speaker 11 (02:19:52):
Kraftar Okay, yes, sir, thanks will Yes, sir, Well what's
going on?

Speaker 10 (02:20:01):
Congratuately, I'm excited to be there. Yeah, we're gonna You're
gonna hopefully help us to strengthen that person. And I
look forward to meeting you in person. Thank you. I
appreciate it. All right, you'll be well.

Speaker 4 (02:20:28):
All right back here on Patriots Unfiltered. That was a
little inside the draft room after the pick of what's.

Speaker 5 (02:20:36):
The first time I've seen that? Yeah, yeah, I hadn't.

Speaker 4 (02:20:38):
You don't go to Patriots dot com anymore.

Speaker 2 (02:20:40):
I do.

Speaker 5 (02:20:41):
But we've been busy.

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Speaker 1 (02:20:45):
Yeah, got home, reviewed all the content.

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Speaker 5 (02:20:48):
I went home, went to sleep.

Speaker 4 (02:20:50):
I went home and tried to get to sleep.

Speaker 8 (02:20:52):
Yeah, right, it's not easy.

Speaker 4 (02:20:55):
Okay, So, and we're probably gonna have something similar tonight
after the Henderson call in the draft room. So look
for Patriots dot Com and Patriots Social all night and
tomorrow for for some great content.

Speaker 7 (02:21:11):
It's always a great sign when your two n e's
are on the ticker. You can see the last two picks.

Speaker 5 (02:21:16):
Now or are there so tons.

Speaker 1 (02:21:19):
In sight of this round? And I agree to get interested?

Speaker 5 (02:21:23):
I agree that just gives you a little at the
end of the tune.

Speaker 4 (02:21:27):
Yeah, we're heading to the beginning of the third round.
The Chiefs selections in and they were at sixty three.

Speaker 5 (02:21:34):
Would they take.

Speaker 4 (02:21:36):
Yes, they took Omar Norman Lott.

Speaker 8 (02:21:39):
A lot of those defensive linemen Ano they're penetrating, you know,
up the field player good uh, back to back Shamar
Turner Omar Norman Lott. I basically thought they were like
Spider Man meme style, the same players. They both played
in the SEC. They both played the same exact way,
and they both went like within the like what two

(02:22:00):
picks of each other, three picks of each other? So
similar players. But you know, sh we do a little
best player available right now and with pop Patriots get
getting close here. Darius Alexander, I think is probably the
best player from Toledo defensive tackle. Jalen Knowle appreci out there.

Speaker 1 (02:22:18):
I appreciate that of.

Speaker 8 (02:22:18):
Him, you know, Jalen Royals, Kyle Williams. A couple of
receivers still out there. Jordan Burch from Oregon I think
is a solid edge rusher Landon Jackson Ano. There could
be another variable kind of guy, you know that that
type of personality, that type of play demeanor. A couple
of corners that are still out there as well. Savon
Revel dropping because of that injury. He's coming off a

(02:22:40):
torn acl so that's why he's still available. First for
top fifty talent, still available because.

Speaker 24 (02:22:45):
Of the injury.

Speaker 4 (02:22:46):
Dennis Wright saying, he says, just to balance the critics,
I enjoy Evans' comments and knowledge. Deuce is quiet and
gets talked over by everyone. Fred is always defending himself.
Paul and Bart just like to be heard and argue
a lot, and I both unfiltered and Cash twenty two
my fiftieth year as a Patriot.

Speaker 5 (02:23:04):
Thank you, Alex. He likes to argue a lot. Yeah,
but like I have to keep that mind because I
commonly do some things on Sundays with Barthy and I'll
look to take advantage of that.

Speaker 4 (02:23:17):
Not always he's take guy. He likes to come up
with a take and then defend it.

Speaker 8 (02:23:22):
You know, that's the sports that way. Yeah, yeah, I
mean he's a sports radio guy. That's what he does.

Speaker 4 (02:23:27):
Do you watch his Sunday morning I listened to a
Sunday morning show.

Speaker 8 (02:23:30):
I don't usually listen on Sunday, but I do listen
to him whenever he's on during during the day, like
on the.

Speaker 4 (02:23:36):
I listen because I'm usually like driving around doing errands
Sunday mornings.

Speaker 5 (02:23:40):
I do a lot of Saturday mornings, but I don't
hear a lot of Sunday mornings.

Speaker 4 (02:23:43):
And he's got a two hour show on Sunday.

Speaker 5 (02:23:45):
No, I know, I got to do this Sunday for
four hours with Big Joe Murray. Oh we'll be talking
beast bro.

Speaker 4 (02:23:51):
Oh so you're on that show.

Speaker 5 (02:23:52):
I'm on ten to two on Sunday. But yeah, absolutely, no,
you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (02:23:58):
A lot of probably, Yeah, yeah, I'll.

Speaker 5 (02:24:01):
Be tapping into Mike dude, you got you got forty
five minutes.

Speaker 4 (02:24:05):
I was actually listening home last Sunday because I was
outside painting, and so I had him on and he
was going on a rant about re enactments. Oh no, no,
you know what that was Big Jim Murray that was
doing that. He went on a rant about reinact like
the you know the Lexington I was just there, like
why are they doing this? You know the guy I
covered it. I did Winslow that he gets shot and

(02:24:27):
then he gets back up and like somebody said, what
do you expect them to like really kill him. He's like,
if you gotta do it, do it.

Speaker 7 (02:24:33):
I'm going to defend reenactments little bit because I've never
really been to a real reenactment, but we went Kellen
and I. We were there four in the morning on Saturday,
uh full reenactment in Lexington for the two hundred and
fiftieth anniversary. There was a little bit of pomp and circumstances,
but like I was telling Paul, it was so cool
to see the actual you know, the American military, I

(02:24:56):
guess at that point just calling us like lining up
and there's like twenty of them. And then to get
the visual sense of the British Army marching in all
in the red coats, they're all uniform, they're all in file,
and it just you can read it one hundred times
in a history book, but until you're like standing in
the actual place that had happened two hundred and fift
years ago to the minute, and you see exactly and
he's right though, there's like I noticed there was one

(02:25:16):
guy right before the British charge they put their bayonets
on and that's when the Americans were like, all right,
let's scatter, and then a shot goes off.

Speaker 1 (02:25:23):
You don't know which side. That's the history, and then
they opened fire. But right as that.

Speaker 7 (02:25:27):
Happens, one of the British reactors like runs.

Speaker 1 (02:25:30):
Up and like fake staffs one of the guys.

Speaker 4 (02:25:32):
On the ground.

Speaker 1 (02:25:32):
I'm like, oh my god, this is really it's kind
of funny.

Speaker 7 (02:25:35):
And then for the next ten minutes, the guy's got
to land on the ground, right, you know, in this
awkward position that he happened to choose.

Speaker 1 (02:25:40):
So I get what he's saying.

Speaker 7 (02:25:41):
There is some comedy there, but I still think it
was pretty cool to kind of see what it actually
looked like in the place that it actually.

Speaker 4 (02:25:47):
It's so excited about it, like history, you were there
for the morning.

Speaker 1 (02:25:51):
We were there for them.

Speaker 7 (02:25:51):
Well, I mean they had to do the real time,
which it started like five point fifteen.

Speaker 1 (02:25:55):
But you know, first it's like and this is mine
on the women and children then went to this place
and then you see like a bunch of women that
old kind of run across.

Speaker 7 (02:26:01):
The field with some stuff, and you know, like it's like,
just get to the shooting part to come on, I want.

Speaker 8 (02:26:05):
To see it.

Speaker 5 (02:26:06):
So but it was cool. It was cool.

Speaker 1 (02:26:07):
We got some shots, you know. I mean, because of
course we're the Patriots. They're like, what who are you with?

Speaker 7 (02:26:11):
And I'm like with the New England Patriots, the football
the football Patriots.

Speaker 4 (02:26:15):
There you go.

Speaker 5 (02:26:16):
So we are officially through round two.

Speaker 4 (02:26:18):
Okay, all right, so the Patriots.

Speaker 5 (02:26:21):
Are Andrew h Safety from Texas. I hate the Eagles, wife,
I'm taking good players.

Speaker 8 (02:26:27):
Yeah, it's just like, all right, that's up one time.

Speaker 4 (02:26:31):
Wait for the Patriots to get the clock here. Let's
go to our phones. Dave is in the Philippines. What's up, Dave? Oh?

Speaker 28 (02:26:42):
Not much? Good morning guys for you.

Speaker 4 (02:26:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 28 (02:26:47):
I like the first two pick so far, and I
love the interview with Will Campbell. It seems like he's
a really good guy. I really called because I want
to vent if that's okay with you guys. I went

(02:27:09):
to YouTube after y'all's draft show yesterday and I started
watching clips of reactions to the draft. The first one
I watched was EEI and there were four guys there
and they seemed like they really hated the pit. Full disclosure,

(02:27:31):
I didn't watch the whole clip because I got really
foed about what they were saying. Then another clip I
watched had Sims on it, and this is the one
that really got me because the first words out of
Sim's mouth is he's a guard. He's a guard. He's
never I won't say he's never. He's played left tackle

(02:27:54):
the whole time he was in college. They picked him,
and I trust the coaching app they picked him to
be the left tackle. And the first word out of
Sim's mouth is.

Speaker 9 (02:28:06):
He's a guard.

Speaker 4 (02:28:08):
So well, yeah, I would take that and I would
play it for him, and I would say this, you know,
prove this guy wrong.

Speaker 28 (02:28:19):
I look at it is the scouts and the coaching
staff have spent a lot more time, in my opinion,
a lot more time watching this guy and and evaluating
this guy, and they do it as a left tackle,
and all of a sudden, Sims just says he's a guard.

(02:28:41):
That really just it frosted me.

Speaker 4 (02:28:44):
That's why I wanted. That's exactly the reaction he was
looking for, Dave. He that's why Sims has done that before.
He likes to, you know, come out with those takes.
But that's he's looking for that visceral reaction that you.

Speaker 5 (02:28:57):
Don't think that he thinks that he's going to be
a guard.

Speaker 4 (02:28:59):
I think I think I think if he's being honest,
he's like he could play tackle. But I think he
wants to have a definitive take to get a reaction.
I think it like, how can you be so definitive
Paul about either way?

Speaker 5 (02:29:14):
I don't know because I'm not a football guy.

Speaker 4 (02:29:17):
Right he is, I know, but but.

Speaker 5 (02:29:19):
Like, I don't think that he would just like sacrifice
his reputation by saying he's a guard if he doesn't
think he's going to be a guy.

Speaker 8 (02:29:25):
And this was the same guy that had Drake Man
is the sixth best quarterback in the class last year.

Speaker 5 (02:29:29):
Anybody can be right around to sacrifice. I don't how
do you know what he's not going to be?

Speaker 8 (02:29:33):
But right I know what he's talking about.

Speaker 4 (02:29:34):
He could be.

Speaker 8 (02:29:35):
How do you think he's going to be the sixth
best quarterback in the class?

Speaker 4 (02:29:39):
Drake possibility?

Speaker 5 (02:29:40):
How do you know the possibility?

Speaker 4 (02:29:41):
There is no But but.

Speaker 5 (02:29:43):
You don't think there's a chance that the other five
guys turn out to be better than Drake?

Speaker 8 (02:29:46):
May hell, no, possibly the other five guys. He said
he was six, but I think he had another guy
in there.

Speaker 4 (02:29:54):
I think that's the point.

Speaker 5 (02:29:56):
There's a possibility there was six guys taking in the
first round last year?

Speaker 1 (02:29:59):
Correct, right?

Speaker 5 (02:30:00):
He Chris Sims, not Paul Parola. Before this one blows
up on me. Yea, Chris Simms thinks he's the sixth right?
Is that impossible?

Speaker 4 (02:30:08):
It's not impossible, but it is impossible.

Speaker 5 (02:30:11):
Is it unlikely?

Speaker 8 (02:30:12):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (02:30:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (02:30:13):
And I just can't take someone's opinion seriously that evaluated
tape and said that that's all. And I didn't have
Drake as the best quarterback in the past. I'm not
saying that.

Speaker 5 (02:30:22):
An opinion, okay, But but I can't take anybody seriously.
I don't have to agree with him. Melt Kuiper said
that Shauel Sanders was the best quarterback in this draft.
I don't completely dismiss melt Kuiper because I disagree with
his opinion.

Speaker 4 (02:30:34):
You don't dismiss it. But you can get mad about it.

Speaker 5 (02:30:37):
You could do whatever you want about it. Yeah, Like
I'm not here to tell you how to.

Speaker 4 (02:30:41):
My point is that's what these guys.

Speaker 5 (02:30:43):
But I just don't think Chris Simms just made up
that he thinks this guy's a guard because he wants
to get attention. I don't think I think that he
thinks he's going to be a guard.

Speaker 4 (02:30:52):
But I think if he's a reasonable he could be wrong.
But I think if he's a reasonable person, he can
say I think he's a guard, but but it's not.
It doesn't make any sense for him to say, but
he could play tackle. You just finish it there. You
don't leave the room for doubt. This is my opinion,
and that's it. But I think being a reasonable person,
he would have to admit, yeah, he could end up

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playing tackle.

Speaker 1 (02:31:14):
I mean, you're just you're not supposed to say.

Speaker 4 (02:31:15):
It's like, I'm a reasonable person and I say, I
think he's a tackle, but I don't know for sure,
Like maybe you know he could play guard, but I'm.

Speaker 5 (02:31:23):
Yeah, I mean I get that. Like i I'm like, like.

Speaker 4 (02:31:26):
I said, if he's wishy washy.

Speaker 5 (02:31:28):
Yeah, I just don't think that that's why they have opinions.
I don't think that they Chris Sims's opinion is born
on like, well, it won't really make much sense if
I say, well, he could play tackle, but I think
he's going to be a guard. So I'm just going
to say he's a guard. I don't think that.

Speaker 4 (02:31:41):
That's what they know, that's what they do.

Speaker 5 (02:31:43):
Maybe they do. You know more about this behind the
scenes stuff than I do.

Speaker 7 (02:31:46):
It sounds like he's responding to like the dismissiveness of
just like in fact, he's a guard.

Speaker 5 (02:31:51):
But let's let's call it what it is. He had
an opinion that he didn't like, and so he just
like dismisses it.

Speaker 4 (02:31:57):
We all, we all do it. Well, he hadn't dismiss it.
Do it?

Speaker 5 (02:32:00):
You get mad about it? And again, I'm not here
to tell people how to feel. It doesn't bother me.
When someone doesn't think like me, that doesn't bother me
in the least. You know, I am here to have
different opinions forged. I am very comfortable in my own.
But I think, but I don't think that Mike is wrong.

Speaker 4 (02:32:16):
ESPN likes it when Dave gets mad, you know, that's that's.

Speaker 7 (02:32:20):
I mean, I just personally, I think Chris Sims has
had a history of stupid takes, and I just I
don't really even qualify anything he says.

Speaker 1 (02:32:26):
I think a guard great, Like I just some of
the stuff in this.

Speaker 8 (02:32:29):
What happened to me, Like we've all been very wrong
about the draft a million times, and Chris Sims and
I are in the same boat on that. Like I'm
not trying to say that that he's you know, I
probably shouldn't have said that. I I don't take them
seriously because I do take everybody's opinion somewhat seriously that
I feel like has some credibility. But my my only
point with with all of this is is that it's

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just one man's opinion. Okay, that.

Speaker 5 (02:32:55):
That line of work that I don't really take overly seriously.
And he hasn't been around much lately, but Merril Hodge, Yeah,
I used to like because I just was like, this
is a guy that I was consistently seeming like. I
was like, I don't look at anything his way, and
I was like, yeah, you know what, I might I
might feel better about it if I feel opposite him,
because maybe he just looks at football in a different way. Now,

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do I know as much about football as Merril Hodge?
Of course, not the guy played.

Speaker 4 (02:33:20):
But these guys are they're paid to have opinions. No
one wants to hear them, you know, through their top
five with seven guys, you know like some like, some
of them.

Speaker 5 (02:33:30):
Do right, But they're paid to have opinions. And he
would be paid just as much as if his opinion
was will Campbell will be a tackle?

Speaker 4 (02:33:38):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (02:33:38):
Yes, he wouldn't make any less or more if there's
very thin he thinks that he's going to be a guy.

Speaker 4 (02:33:44):
I think that. I think he believes the chances are
he's going to be I do believe that.

Speaker 5 (02:33:48):
I don't think that the money for him is like
I can make more, I can get more attention. If
I say he's going to be a point.

Speaker 4 (02:33:53):
Is Dave wouldn't have been as mad as if he said,
I think he's going to be a guard.

Speaker 5 (02:33:59):
We're coming up here too, we should get we should
get ready.

Speaker 4 (02:34:01):
Yeah, but you know you have to be definitive on
these shows. You can't be wishy washy.

Speaker 7 (02:34:07):
Well, I mean it's also too sorry, but how many
NFL executives that are making picks today are making horrible
mistakes that we won't know about for the next year
or two. But it's just how it works. Like, yeah,
that's the NFL, even the teams that study this stuff.
Like I just to joke around, like we kind of
costplay it like we do our own little research. Ultimately
we're not picking any players. But these people whose jobs

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depend on it, they.

Speaker 1 (02:34:30):
Screw it up too. It's it's so far from it.

Speaker 5 (02:34:33):
That's when I get mad, is like it, you know,
but these guys they don't even know what they're doing. Like,
of course not. It's just like the teams like they're
I mean, they obviously come from it with far more
information and far more, far more experience, and there's all
kinds of missteps all the time because it's a hard

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thing to do. So like I don't know if that's why,
Like I love to tease myself about the Vernon Golstons
of the world so that I completely we missed the
boat on. But like I'm not seriously mad about it.

Speaker 7 (02:35:05):
I mean, how you million this job and talk about
it for X amounts a week and write all these
different big boys and not have some dumb wrong things.

Speaker 5 (02:35:15):
Because let's hope that Chris Simms. This is one of
the silly things that we can make fun of him
about in two years, Like this guy didn't even think
he could even play tackle and now he's a Pro
Bowl attacker. That's what you gotta hope.

Speaker 8 (02:35:26):
I'll give him credits. He definitely goes against con consensus
with a lot of his rankings, Like he's not afraid
to buck trends and like have Drake may as the
sixth best quarterback in the class last year when everybody
thought he was the third.

Speaker 5 (02:35:40):
And he really liked Mac Jones coming out, didn't he
He tended that one.

Speaker 8 (02:35:44):
And I'm not saying this is as a knock on him.

Speaker 5 (02:35:46):
But he we all loved Chris Sims.

Speaker 8 (02:35:48):
Then he tends to gravitate towards more of the pro
ready guys, right, Like he was really high on Bo
Nicks because he just thought that Bo Nicks was ready
for the league from a quarterback technical standpoint. That that
that tends to be his m O with quarterbacks, his
you know Nicks, that makes sense, Nix like those types
of Matt Jones was.

Speaker 5 (02:36:08):
More NFL ready when he came out.

Speaker 4 (02:36:10):
He was. That's what his that was. That was the
highest floor of the quarterbacks, but maybe the lowest ceiling
at the time.

Speaker 5 (02:36:19):
Turns out both right, So Wilson he is better than Zachs.

Speaker 4 (02:36:29):
The Browns pick is in. That means the Raiders are
up next, followed by your New England Patriots in England.
So that's coming up quick. So we'll go to a
phone call or two before we get there. Colleen's in Houston.
What's up Colleen?

Speaker 18 (02:36:45):
Hey guys? So, uh, my question is are very good
tackles in college boys to be right tackles? Because it
feels like any good tackle is the right tackle except
for Will Campbell, who then there's a problem with him

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because of his online and I just I want to
know what you guys think about that.

Speaker 14 (02:37:15):
Thank you.

Speaker 8 (02:37:16):
Okay, there were some there were some, you know, left
tackles in the top of this draft that all went
in the top in the top ten, Kelvin Banks, Josh
Simmons at the end, and Connery at the end, and
the nursery went today, you know those That was the
group we talked about. That group A Ton Membo is
the right tackle, you know?

Speaker 5 (02:37:34):
That was the only highly right am I missing one?
He was the high the only high lead.

Speaker 8 (02:37:39):
Radio I mean, big Oz was wash the.

Speaker 4 (02:37:43):
Back of the envelope. Guys just went Harold Fann and Jr.
Went to the Browns.

Speaker 8 (02:37:49):
So, I uh, the Patriots are on the clock, and
I just got to say, I think we're gonna love
this one.

Speaker 5 (02:37:55):
I'm gonna say it's Jalen Nole based on L like
this close.

Speaker 1 (02:38:00):
You're close.

Speaker 8 (02:38:02):
Oh yes, they're kind of cooking.

Speaker 7 (02:38:05):
I mean yeah, I just I'm gonna go back to
what I I mean. I just think we've done a
good job of prepping the fans and our viewers for
what's happening here in this draft tonight, and I like
that it's probably about.

Speaker 4 (02:38:20):
No, let's wait a little bit.

Speaker 8 (02:38:21):
Okay, we'll wait a little bit on this one.

Speaker 1 (02:38:23):
Okay, I'm excited though.

Speaker 8 (02:38:25):
This is Paul did like the lap around yet last
night with Will Campbell. This is a lap around type
of guy for me personally, I'm I mean, I'm pretty
jacked up about this one. Dude. I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 4 (02:38:39):
Robin san Diego. Deuce is quickly becoming one of my
favorite Peu personalities. I'll be honest. At first, I wasn't
a fan. I usually perform when Fred and Paul swaps
stories about parking lot arguments in middle school fights from
decades ago, rather than diving into the data. But with
Do stepping up and sharing more from his father's athletic
history to possible family ties to Canada, his new appreciation
for historical rhann actors, and especially the wide range of

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careers pursued by his cousin, He's really started to come
into his own rate drafts. So far, I can't wait
to see what they do next. What we're about to
see pretty quickly here the Raiders selection is in. Who
the Raiders take the Raiders hasn't been listed yet. Who

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did the Raiders take.

Speaker 8 (02:39:25):
The Raiders have? Yeah, we don't know yet. Oh really,
we do not know yet. The tipping has been a
little bit. People kind kind of gave up a little bit.
I think tip they took Darien Porter.

Speaker 4 (02:39:36):
Okay, the cornerback out of Ioasa State and New England
is on the clock. Might not be on my list
Darien Porter.

Speaker 1 (02:39:44):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (02:39:46):
I think he's outside of the Beast one hundred.

Speaker 8 (02:39:51):
He was right on the fringe of my top one hundred.
Really good combine tester, high weight, speed, exact exactly what
I was about to just say that that's what he is.
He's a little bit of an older prospect though, and
I think that that, you know, hurt him in a
lot of people's eyes. He's like twenty four, but he's
he's a good zone corner, good athlete. Tested. Well, there's
like some like Tyreek Woolland type vibes with him. That's

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all I got.

Speaker 4 (02:40:15):
Okay, Yeah, let's go to Aaron in Utah. What's up Aaron?

Speaker 13 (02:40:21):
Hey, guys, just real quick, Keith Tippet picks.

Speaker 10 (02:40:25):
We love it.

Speaker 13 (02:40:26):
All the haters hate it, but whatever.

Speaker 12 (02:40:29):
Really, it's only thirty seconds a minute difference.

Speaker 13 (02:40:32):
Tops you know, it's not a big deal.

Speaker 5 (02:40:34):
Evan, You're only getting hate just because you're knowledgeable and you're.

Speaker 29 (02:40:38):
Bold and you know what you're saying, and you're not
couching it, right, So you're not saying I think this.

Speaker 5 (02:40:44):
I think that he's obviously he's also hateable it more.

Speaker 13 (02:40:48):
It's only one opinion, so okay.

Speaker 9 (02:40:52):
And then last thing, if you guys could come away
with one guy or one position out of the next
two picks, what would it be?

Speaker 10 (02:41:00):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (02:41:03):
I'm going to sound like a fraud, but wide receiver.

Speaker 4 (02:41:06):
All right, so let's let's uh, they.

Speaker 5 (02:41:08):
Took a wide receiver and all this is the I
to answer that question, that's the position I would have.

Speaker 4 (02:41:14):
Said, one wide receiver would they pick?

Speaker 8 (02:41:17):
The Patriots have picked Washington State wide receiver Kyle Williams.

Speaker 1 (02:41:21):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:41:22):
Fantastic pick again by the Patriots, who I think. Now
I can safely say I'm really loving the draft honestly,
like this is not it's been. I really like what
they've done so far. Everybody has been clamoring for speed
and explosiveness at the wide receiver position, and they got
a guy and Kyle Williams who ran a four to

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four forty yard dash and can absolutely fly with the
ball in his hands as well, big playmaker, great separator,
one of the best pure separators in the entire draft.
So this is a really exciting pick to me, another
big board guy. So that's three for three.

Speaker 1 (02:41:57):
You're one up on me.

Speaker 8 (02:41:58):
Yeah, so we're doing well.

Speaker 4 (02:42:00):
They were going to go offense big yeah so far,
and they have.

Speaker 5 (02:42:04):
I like the pick of Kyle Wins too. I just
said I needed a fast duty to make plays. This
is two in a row, two playmakers.

Speaker 4 (02:42:11):
Yes, okay, okay, yes, So give me some stats.

Speaker 8 (02:42:14):
Yeah, so he can play on the outside and and
on the inside. I think that was what I like
the most about him. That maybe tip the scales for
the Patriots a little bit over Jalen Knowle, who was
really a slot only type of player. This is a
guy that can play on the outside and actually want
to go round against Travis Hunter at Washington State, let's
go to the podium.

Speaker 30 (02:42:33):
In the twenty five NFL Draft, the New England Patriots
select Kyle Williams, wide receiver, Washington States.

Speaker 7 (02:42:47):
Yeah, you see, I mean, you know, five ten and
change a little under five to eleven one ninety's that's
the thing with him. But you know, even just pulling
his best stuff up here, and then the thing is
sticks out his quick uncover, guy who gets open, guy
who can get off the Travis Hunter by that talking about.

Speaker 8 (02:43:05):
Him, And he can also you know, catch and run
with the football very well too. This is a guy
that can create plays with the football in his hands
as well.

Speaker 5 (02:43:12):
And Wood throwing him the ball to that that I
think was from.

Speaker 8 (02:43:15):
N He can take short passes and he can turn
him into longer gains. But I think what the thing
that really stands out above the rest with Kyle Williams
is his ability to separate. This guy is a true separator.
We're not talking about somebody. We have a speed in
size concerns.

Speaker 5 (02:43:30):
We have a slate.

Speaker 1 (02:43:32):
Henderson Digs Williams.

Speaker 8 (02:43:34):
You have two guys here and Traveon Henderson and Kyle
Williams that can eat up grass man Like. These guys
can fly, they can make big plays. They are explosive
chunk play artists. So if you wanted speed, you wanted
big playability, you wanted separation on the outside at wide receiver,
you got it. You got it with both these picks.

Speaker 1 (02:43:55):
I'm excited.

Speaker 7 (02:43:55):
I mean, I just you know, I'm just I guess
I'm proud that we've been talking about this guy all night.
We've talking about what we want. I mean, been saying
we want speed the whole time. Like you said, Evan,
like I don't want to you know, you feel like
you need to say, I'm not I'm not lying. I
got really am excited, like I've been saying for months now,
like this is what I wanted them to add speed
at this wide receiver position. Kyle Williams brings what this

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wide receiver room doesn't have right now, which is that
quick uncoverability, the ability to get downfield. It's a huge
thing with Drake may. We saw how many goal balls
did he throw last year in practice? Few in the
game too, uh, mostly to Kaysehan Boody. But he has
that ability to hit downfield. It's an element that their
offenses lacked. And I think, you know, the excitement's really
building for me too. And now you have one more

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pick coming up, chance to really you know, put an
exclamation on these first two rounds. And like I said
at the top, you know, I feel like these are
the days you really need to move the needle, and
I think.

Speaker 1 (02:44:46):
They've done that with these first two picks here on
day two.

Speaker 8 (02:44:48):
Yeah, absolutely, dude, skeed some of your edge guys here.
Maybe at seventy seven.

Speaker 4 (02:44:52):
Throw me a bone, Notott, I know.

Speaker 8 (02:44:53):
I mean, look, I got what I needed, all right.
Like if you're Josh McDaniels right now, you're sitting back
there and you said you got me a I've tackled
and two big play skill players, Like I'm good, Like,
go get yourself some pass rush because I'm all set
over here.

Speaker 7 (02:45:08):
You know, can our friend in La I wonder can
he call back in does he want to tell us
how he's feeling now about you know, I mean the
little bit when you really sit back and evaluate the
Henderson pick, you know, instead of just looking at it
as a running back, looking as you guys said, what
it is a three down guy, a guy who can
catch the ball, a guy who can.

Speaker 1 (02:45:24):
Make big plays consistently.

Speaker 5 (02:45:26):
And now another rest And I look at the collectives
like they needed playmakers. These are playmakers. Yeah, that's how
you know. Like you can sit there and say they're
trying to win game seventeen thirteen, but their acts belide
that line of thought. They're trying to playmake.

Speaker 4 (02:45:40):
If you want to make more plays, you.

Speaker 5 (02:45:42):
Got to get playmakers, right.

Speaker 8 (02:45:44):
I think. You know what I also just really love
about this pick here for the Patriots is you know,
they didn't reach on him like they will let him fall.
They let him wait. They waited for the right area
to pick him at sixty nine. I had him in
my last last mock draft to the Patriots at thirty
eight because I felt like they were going to like
the player, but I thought that they would take him
around earlier than this. They waited for him. They got

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him where he probably should have gone. But Fred, you
asked for some stats. He had twelve hundred yards and
fourteen touchdowns last year at Washington State on seventy catches.
So that's seventeen yards per catch that he averaged last
year at Washington State. So I again, what I really
thought separated him from some of this group. You know,
we talked a little bit about Royals, We talked a

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little bit about nol his ability to play on the
inside and the outside. This is a guy that can
line up on the outside and win on routes and
win on vertical routes and stretch the field a little bit.
So I think that probably separated him from that group.
Among that group, really good release package, really good ability
to stack corners on the outside. Fun player, like fun

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fund tape, fun player.

Speaker 1 (02:46:49):
This was the gronk pick who wasn't This was at
least got a little gronkn.

Speaker 4 (02:46:55):
So are you in touch with Barth? What's he saying?

Speaker 8 (02:46:58):
Well, bar I gotta tell you to give him his props.
This was Barr's guy. Bart told me about Kyle Williams
when I went down to Mobile for the Senior Bowl
back in January, and he said, do me a favor
you know, watch the Washington state wide receiver and let
me know what you think. I think that's going to
be like my my mid round, you know, sleeper type
of guy. He was all over it with Kyle Williams

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and I was late to the party compared to him,
and he he put me on him, so I'm the game.

Speaker 5 (02:47:26):
Oh sorry.

Speaker 8 (02:47:27):
He absolutely is married to the game.

Speaker 5 (02:47:29):
And I did hear him on one of my shows
talking about that. He's like he came back from the seaboy.
He's like he couldn't understand why more people weren't talking
about him. So he was someone that really stood out
to him in those practices. And then all of a sudden,
as the process continued, he started to rise and he
was like, Oh, I'm glad that I'm not crazy with

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this guy.

Speaker 1 (02:47:50):
Yeah, I mean, I don't want to give anything.

Speaker 5 (02:47:52):
We have him.

Speaker 1 (02:47:52):
But weren't you talking to people who told you that
Kyle Wims was.

Speaker 5 (02:47:55):
Going to go a lot higher than people were Yeah?

Speaker 8 (02:47:57):
Expect Yeah, I mean he started the process of three
pick and then he just quickly rows up the board.
Great week down in Mobile, he puts down a four
to four in the forty yard dash at the combine,
so he checks off the speed box, and like I
keep saying, I think the thing that's so exciting about
the pick is that this is a guy that can
really get open, Like he can really separate, and he

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can really run routes and create separation, which frankly, some
of the picks they've made at wide receiver lately, we've
had that concern. You know, we had that concern last
year with Jalen Polk, like that, this is not Jalen Polk.
This is a different type of receiver than Jalen Polk
and more complete receiver than like a Taekwon Thorton, you know,
not just a one trick pony. So it's an exciting pick.

Speaker 5 (02:48:40):
He's almost five eleven, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:48:42):
Five ten and a half, one ninety. You know we're
in a four to four. Uh you want his wingspan
speed slot.

Speaker 5 (02:48:51):
I love Evans terminology that I'm going to go with
speed slot.

Speaker 1 (02:48:55):
Speeds got good speed.

Speaker 8 (02:48:57):
Like I said, I think he can play some on
the outside, Like I don't think that's his best usage
is probably to move him around and let him hunt
matchups and hunt space and let him get open off
the line of scrimmage. But I love to fit for
Josh McDaniels. McDaniels is gonna move this guy all around
the formation. He'll get him off the line. He'll use
stacks and bunches and pick plays and things like that

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to get him free. You get him catch and run opportunities.
He's really a burner, a really explosive player. And I
just both guys that they picked today, Trayvon Henderson and
Kyle Williams, are gonna make big plays.

Speaker 4 (02:49:32):
No Jeremiah wants to know if Noel's there at seventy seven,
do you double dip Personally, I would strongly capital letters
consider it.

Speaker 5 (02:49:39):
I don't know. Now you're in ten. That's a little
replication to me. Yeah, they're similar players, and yeah, they've
deemed that Kyle Williams is a better player. Yeah, I
think you have other needs. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:49:52):
Yeah, Like I said, I think Kyle Williams is the
more complete receiver in the ability to play on the outside.
I think that's what changes it a little bit. I
think Nole's probably a little bit more highly touted coming
out as a slot receiver. But if you wanted a
guy that could play some reps on the outside and
be maybe more of like a fifty to fifty split

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inside outside. Then this is a player that can do that.
So I just look at all the things that they
missed on on wide receivers in the past, and I
think that this is this shows me that it's a
little bit of a different scout, is a little bit
different player.

Speaker 4 (02:50:27):
Dana Virginia, Michigan says, Patriots pick a fast wide receiver.
I wouldn't want to be someone driving in front of
Eldrid's truck right now. Yeah, yeah, Eldred you listening. What
do you think.

Speaker 1 (02:50:45):
It always works so flawlessly?

Speaker 7 (02:50:48):
Yeah, I say Josh mctanna is probably probably Owes, Ryan
Couten and Mike Frabile, Elliot Wolf maybe at dinner tonight,
because I mean, just what fun I've been a lot
thinking about that. It's just where Josh is at, how
he's going to Taylor of the offense, to Drake May
and there's just some fun stuff to play with now,
I mean across the board from Stefan Diggs to you know,

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I just I'll throw the rookie, you know, the rookies
from last year in there too. I'd be excited to
try to get something out of those guys. I think
they're they're more talented than they showed last year. I
don't know how talented they could be, but Josh gonna
have some fun.

Speaker 4 (02:51:20):
Cathal and Ireland wants me to tell you, Evan that
Chris Simms had Williams at his WR as his WR
two he did.

Speaker 1 (02:51:27):
I love Chris Sims.

Speaker 5 (02:51:29):
I mean, I just Christims. But that's the crux of
my argument, Like I don't just dismiss when I don't agree, right,
but like sometimes you agree sometimes.

Speaker 8 (02:51:40):
I said earlier with Chris Simms that he doesn't shy
away from being different, Like he's not a consensus guy
when he makes his rankings, and having Kyle Williams at
high as certainly not the consensus.

Speaker 4 (02:51:53):
Yeah, and he's made a reputation in a in a
career at being dumb. So let's go to uh kidding Chris,
we hired him in a presonnel department Landon and Jackson
to Buffaloedo.

Speaker 5 (02:52:05):
I didn't the Patriots. Patriots is weed. I know, like
you're not supposed to do that in the media. But Dave,
let's speak grown ups and say it's weak.

Speaker 4 (02:52:14):
David writes in uh, he says, we all know the
next pick will be Jack Sawyer book.

Speaker 8 (02:52:19):
It honestly though, like I wouldn't hate it. And at
this point I'm being sincere dude, like I would say
that getting back to the trenches. You know, you got
your skilled players, you got your speed and your explosiveness
on offense. You needed to do it. Now go back
to the trenches, you know, get an edge, get it,
Get another offensive lineman, you know, whether it's a tackle
or guard or both, you know, and try to beef

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up the trenches again now because I think you know,
these two guys are are going to be fun to
play with, but you gotta keep Drake May upright to
play with them.

Speaker 1 (02:52:47):
I mean, I think Paul laughed at me.

Speaker 7 (02:52:49):
We had I had a question on my ask me
anything in the newsletter and someone was like, you know,
what what four things have to happen for you?

Speaker 4 (02:52:56):
Or not?

Speaker 7 (02:52:56):
I don't know if they said for there's what would
you what would have to happen for for this to
be a good draft for you?

Speaker 1 (02:53:00):
And I said, final.

Speaker 7 (02:53:01):
Left tackle, a wide receiver with speed, one of the
running backs, and one of these edges.

Speaker 1 (02:53:05):
And they've hit three of the four right now. I
won't lie.

Speaker 7 (02:53:08):
I mean I'm a little bit less enthusiastic now about
some of the edge rushers for three down potential than
I was earlier in the draft. But you got to
give to get and you know that's something that we'll see.

Speaker 5 (02:53:20):
Guy just went too with Landon Jackson Jackson.

Speaker 7 (02:53:22):
But I still say, you know, I'm still open to
a guy like Josiah Stewart who probably not gonna be
a three down defensive end, like I thought a guy
like Nick Gordon could potentially be for this off for
this defense. But I think you would fill a need
and bring some juice to the pass rush. That's I mean,
when I look at this team right now, it's one
of my biggest remaining concerns. We know a lot of
what their concerns are, but invigorating that pass rush, making

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sure that pass rush is elite, not you know, Chase
on Harold Landry. They'll bring they'll bring some juice in experience,
and they'll run stunts and they'll get some pressure. But
who's that guy who's gonna come off the edge and
have some speed.

Speaker 4 (02:53:55):
I think it's necessary our next pick has to be
scat of a. I mean, come on, right.

Speaker 1 (02:54:00):
I mean right, we do I think I don't know.

Speaker 8 (02:54:02):
I think I would just love to see them go
back to the trenches now, like use seventy seven and
one oh six offensive line, defensive line. You got your
you got your toys, you got your skilled players, you know,
go get.

Speaker 1 (02:54:16):
Like corner, Like is there some value at corner right now?
Or there's some guys that have fallen because of the corner, Like,
I don't know. I don't think did Revel go yet?

Speaker 7 (02:54:24):
I mean, I know he's the guy that he's supremely
I think.

Speaker 8 (02:54:31):
He's about to do go now, Thomas, I think the Jets. Yeah, No,
Jacob Parrish from Kansas State, it's another guy I've really liked. Uh.
You know, can see him playing in the slot. Comp
him to like a Jonathan Jones type. Uh. Shavon Revels
like a size speed prospect, you know, coming off that injury.
Quincy Riley's got good ball skills, good good on ball production.

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Noel Williams is the guy people really like from Cal two.
There there definitely are corners out there to be had,
for sure. I mean just looking quickly here at the
edge rushers. You know, Jordan Birch and Brady Swinson are
two guys people like Princey's still out there as well
if they wanted to go that direction, and Jack Sawyer
and Baron Sorel as well. So I think there's still

(02:55:15):
plenty of talent on Edge two. And you know, I'm
sure there's still plenty of talent at like Interior Offensive Line.
You know, Mylom's still out there, fair Child, Mabou Frasier,
you know those types of guys.

Speaker 4 (02:55:29):
Let's see, I gentleman, says Katina. She's from Houston. I
don't mind when people disagree with my opinions, but respectfully,
I can't take anything. Chris Simms says seriously, as far
as I'm concerned, he lost any legitimacy after his time
as QB one at UT where for the most part
he behaved like that animal Fred called Richie Campanella. Until

(02:55:52):
proven otherwise, I shall be cautiously optimistic about all our picks.
I love that the one word Will Campbell used to
describe his play was dirty. I've heard nasty, I heard violent. Also,
I don't think dirty dirty. I want the Old Line
to be full of intimidating dudes, even if they look
like giant man babies when they take their helmets off, Chub. Indeed,

(02:56:13):
can we focus on some defense now? All right? Yeah, yeah,
now you've got Duce listening.

Speaker 5 (02:56:19):
I think they did plenty of focusing on the defense.

Speaker 4 (02:56:22):
And that's the free agency with.

Speaker 5 (02:56:23):
Milton Williams and Carlton Davis and Harold Landry and Robert Splaine.
I mean they signed four starters and I thought they
even got the what's his face the defensive tackle Kyries.

Speaker 7 (02:56:34):
Tonga, Like, seriously, for you.

Speaker 4 (02:56:40):
One young edge.

Speaker 1 (02:56:41):
I want one young edge.

Speaker 8 (02:56:42):
I'm with.

Speaker 5 (02:56:44):
He would be sick of taking take another guy like
I love, I liked you a plan of the two guys.
You know it's the trenches. Yeah six yeah, sure, line
defensive line.

Speaker 8 (02:56:56):
I disagree with a lot on this because it's a
really great it's a really great edge class. It's it's
the strength of the draft. Is these a rushers? So
I just grab one of them, like it doesn't you know,
have to go crazy and draft when early, like you know,
some some people are maybe suggesting they should have done.
But I just go get one now.

Speaker 7 (02:57:16):
I mean I wouldn't be appost to Jack Sawyer. I
mean he was He's the big board guy for me.
I just a little more pass rush juice.

Speaker 1 (02:57:21):
That's you know, the.

Speaker 7 (02:57:22):
Way I'm leaning, I'd probably said like more Jesiah Stewart
right now than Jack Sawr. But I would definitely take
a guy like Jack Sawyer, who I think you know
could play early downs, and then I paul your thing,
allow Chase On to be the past rush guy and
let him do that specially.

Speaker 5 (02:57:36):
Yeah, that's that's fine. I just don't want him playing
every down or anything like that.

Speaker 4 (02:57:41):
Let's go to Andre in New York. Hey, Andre Dello, everybody, Hey,
happy draft Dave.

Speaker 29 (02:57:50):
Yeah, I wanted to say thank you guys for all
if you do when it comes down to breaking down
statistics and everything. I'm kind of new to football.

Speaker 10 (02:57:58):
I got a thing.

Speaker 29 (02:57:59):
It's a two thousand and eight so I love watching
all the dissection of the Patriots that my squad since
two thousand and eight. Any Who, I wanted to know
I love the draft picks first of off, and wanted
to know, if you think we get a fullback and
get back to like running the ball, we can get
another thousand yard rusher. I don't think we had one
since Lamango twenty two, so I think that would help

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Drake May a.

Speaker 4 (02:58:22):
Lot Okay, So will we get a fullback? I don't
think so, and I hope that that's not what's required
in today's seventeen game season to get a thousand yard rusher. Yeah,
you know so, Like, but Josh McDaniels has loved the
fullback in the past. But I don't think that that's

(02:58:42):
gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (02:58:43):
I mean, I said it before. I just think he'd
already be here.

Speaker 7 (02:58:45):
You're You're not right, Oh, our whole offense is gonna
run through a Day three rookie Like I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:58:50):
It's just hard to see.

Speaker 4 (02:58:51):
Yep. So the Patriots are getting close. The Broncos pick
is in, then come the forty nine Ers Cowboys, and
then the Patriots. So we're getting close to that second
pick in the third round. This is the Matthew Judon pick.
Tim's in Seattle. What's up? Tim?

Speaker 10 (02:59:09):
To me?

Speaker 2 (02:59:10):
Hey, Hey, I'm.

Speaker 31 (02:59:12):
So happy they took Kyle Williams like I said they should,
didn't have to trade up and his uh felder would day.

Speaker 19 (02:59:19):
I felt a little tingle.

Speaker 4 (02:59:21):
Okay, something moved, something move, That's right.

Speaker 19 (02:59:26):
I'm pumped.

Speaker 13 (02:59:29):
So I'm just curious here best available.

Speaker 31 (02:59:32):
What do you guys think in Jordan Birch here or
Jack Toyer, let me know what you think.

Speaker 1 (02:59:37):
Yeah, something something like George Sanders.

Speaker 8 (02:59:40):
Yeah, Jordans Jordan Birch is a is a good good
shout here.

Speaker 2 (02:59:44):
You know.

Speaker 8 (02:59:45):
Joshua Farmer is another guy that they had in for
a thirty visit. And uh, you can play into your
defensive line or play end. Probably a hand in the
dird type of player. But if they're gonna run that
like four to three style defense, then maybe he can
be a four three n for Vrabel Brady's Brandon Swinson.
Sorry I keep saying his name wrong from LSU's a

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sort of in that category of more stand up edgreshers
as his princely who I am not going to try
to pronounce his last name is I said, I always
butcher it. So yeah, there there's a lot of edge
talent here. I would say safety still may safety yeah
maybe yeah, safety yeah, free Safety's I.

Speaker 5 (03:00:24):
Also think Mike is right about corner you can you
can use another corner too, and there's a handful available.

Speaker 4 (03:00:29):
But what about Xavier Watts.

Speaker 8 (03:00:32):
Yeah, I'd like Xavier Wats a lot. I mean, he
plays with his hair on fire. He's a really aggressive player.
Really just flies to the football.

Speaker 4 (03:00:40):
See more of a strong safety.

Speaker 8 (03:00:42):
I would say so. Probably. There are some concerns about
his top end speed and is a range from center field,
but he plays with great instincts in a great motor
and almost makes up for it with just being there
all the time.

Speaker 1 (03:00:56):
You know, trade it back, did they?

Speaker 7 (03:01:01):
Well, they moved so all of a sudden, they're they're
about eight picks ahead.

Speaker 4 (03:01:06):
Now, well, waiting on the forty nine ers Cowboys? Oh
oh yes, what happened here? Where do we go?

Speaker 5 (03:01:12):
Don't see us?

Speaker 4 (03:01:13):
No?

Speaker 10 (03:01:13):
Wait?

Speaker 4 (03:01:13):
Where did we go?

Speaker 5 (03:01:14):
Till we go? Out of the third round?

Speaker 1 (03:01:16):
Seven ten picks? Now in between Tampa and the Lac.

Speaker 5 (03:01:20):
Tampa and the Lack.

Speaker 8 (03:01:24):
They traded with the Patriots. The trade is seventy seven
for eighty five and one forty six. So the Patriots
now have one forty four and one forty six and
one seventy one all in the fifth round. So they
added a fifth round pick here.

Speaker 4 (03:01:40):
Okay, And so the next pick that the Patriots have
is number eightighty five in the third round?

Speaker 8 (03:01:47):
Correct, yep?

Speaker 5 (03:01:49):
So what do they have? Eighty five, one forty four
and what else?

Speaker 1 (03:01:52):
One forty six?

Speaker 8 (03:01:53):
Yeah, so there are now there are picks that are
left are eighty five, one oh six, one forty four,
one forty six, one, two twenty, and two thirty eight.
So they have one, two, three, four, five, six seven
picks left.

Speaker 4 (03:02:05):
Now what they picked up more picks? Paul love It.
Are you happy with that trade down?

Speaker 7 (03:02:15):
I don't know, generally, no, just because I wanted to
like make the pick and like put a bow on
the evening, but I wasn't like, Oh man, I hope
they're gonna be able to get a certain player that's
right here. So I guess they probably see a lot
of guys similar right now, which is generally how it
seems like the rest of the NFL is viewing the
board here in the middle of the third round.

Speaker 1 (03:02:33):
So I guess it's just it is what it is.
We'll see, we'll see what they're waiting on.

Speaker 5 (03:02:36):
Woild you say one forty six and one seventy one, Okay, yeah,
it's just one forty six they added. Yeah, correct, So
they moved from seventy seven to eighty five and got
one forty six to do that correct the fifth rounder?

Speaker 4 (03:02:49):
Okay, um, you're killing me, very you're killing me. Okay,
So what do we do Should we stick around?

Speaker 1 (03:03:00):
Is just stick around?

Speaker 10 (03:03:01):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (03:03:01):
Who was the trade wind go by Quick?

Speaker 8 (03:03:03):
It was with the Panthers. Al Yeah, I mean I
just rattled off a bunch of names at this point
in the draft. I think, you know, there's a lot
of players that are similarly graded at this point, and
you know kind of all I would say heavy, heavy
on certain positions as well. You know, edge corner. There's
obviously a million running backs left still that they're that

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running back run really hasn't fully started yet. So the
Patriots probably felt like they were going to get the
same player that they're gonna they were going to pick
at seventy seven, at eighty five, and they had.

Speaker 4 (03:03:37):
A pick Tom and Melbourne says this emails for Mike
to so suck at Mike. I love you, but hearing
you whine about front seven for two years as we
watch perhaps the worst offense in the NFL has been
very annoying. I'm glad they've totally avoided making a front
seven pick so far. You will deal with Keon White
starting in week one, and you will like it. Seriously,

(03:03:58):
did that guy run over your or something? Now that
the joking's out of the way, loving the draft coverage
and thanks for all you do.

Speaker 1 (03:04:05):
Yeah, the defense was thirtieth and dv away, so I
get it.

Speaker 7 (03:04:08):
But the defense was terrible too, So don't fault me
for want defensive guals.

Speaker 5 (03:04:12):
I'm making fun of you because I believe that they've
significantly addressed the defense, not because I think you were
wrong about criticizing the last defense.

Speaker 7 (03:04:20):
I mean, I don't think I'm wrong to say to
look at the defensive front. Oh god, no, this is
a veteran defensive front that you're gonna get a year
or two out of it best.

Speaker 5 (03:04:28):
And the guys that people love that have played have
been responsible for the thirtieth dv away right right, And
so they needed to get better, like I just think
they did right well.

Speaker 1 (03:04:37):
Well, I mean, Landry was released, he could have signed anywhere.

Speaker 4 (03:04:41):
He's a lot of money.

Speaker 7 (03:04:42):
In the defense, they did, But I'm just saying the
most what's the most important part of a defense their
pass rush.

Speaker 1 (03:04:47):
Right, Do you feel great? I mean, yeah, I don't
feel great.

Speaker 5 (03:04:50):
I don't feel great about the pass rush. I don't,
But I don't feel great about guys that you're going
to draft in the third round for your pass rush.

Speaker 7 (03:04:55):
But that's but that's what I'm banging the table for.
I'm just asking for a pass rusher in the around,
and you guys are acting like, no, we've done too
much on.

Speaker 5 (03:05:02):
Because I don't think it's really worth wide receiver. Like
I would rather have Harold Landry than the third round
pass rush if you wanted to find process.

Speaker 1 (03:05:13):
No, this is fine.

Speaker 7 (03:05:13):
No, when you're talking about how they think, well you
were team Herold Landry and Chase on this.

Speaker 4 (03:05:20):
No, this was great.

Speaker 1 (03:05:21):
We got all we need with pass rush. Now we're
gonna be fine.

Speaker 5 (03:05:23):
For the record, I haven't mentioned Chase on and I won't, Okay,
So it's.

Speaker 1 (03:05:32):
Just like one of their defensive ends period.

Speaker 5 (03:05:34):
I don't like any of them.

Speaker 4 (03:05:35):
You don't.

Speaker 5 (03:05:36):
I think that you're right in saying that they need
edge help. I think they needed wide receiver help and
playmaker help in general more than they needed edge help.
And you can't. I've said this from the start. You
can't fill every hole.

Speaker 4 (03:05:50):
We're coming close.

Speaker 5 (03:05:51):
But still if they take if they take an edge
guy here, I'm not gonna sit there and say what
a waste of a pick. They need edge help. I'm
just not expecting edge help now.

Speaker 8 (03:06:03):
I think I think I think you're under selling the class,
like this class is really You've.

Speaker 5 (03:06:07):
Seen a lot of guys taken in the hundreds and
they generally hit or miss. And I'm going to these
guys are going to be in that that range as well. Okay,
So you can go one hundred and six is in
the top hundred. I can't say eighty seven is like
one hundred and eighty five. Okay, So anyway, I like plan.
I like Evans' plan of the trenches more because I

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do think you can get lineman at this stage that
can contribute. I would think that the edge guys are
more skilled guys and the best ones are gone now
and now you're just kind of taking flyers. Look, here's
the odds, but I won't hate it if they take
an edge guy. They need edge helps.

Speaker 4 (03:06:48):
Realistic. The odds of any draft is the deeper you get,
the less the odds. And we're really counting on these
first three picks hitting. And if the first three picks
of anybody's draft hit, that's a great draft, that's a
great draft. And the odds of now four or five
hitting your not round, but your fourth and fifth pick.

Speaker 5 (03:07:10):
So I'm also.

Speaker 4 (03:07:10):
Hitting the odds are starting to decrease right now.

Speaker 5 (03:07:13):
But I like to make fun of Mike and defend
him at the same time because he's right, Like this defense,
everybody just has been pounding on the offense, and with
good reason because it's so obvious that they can't score,
and people don't realize that the defense has been every
bit as bad. Well, no, don't see, that's the right.

Speaker 4 (03:07:30):
The offense doesn't help.

Speaker 5 (03:07:31):
It, and the defense doesn't help the offense. Well, I
think they get no help from either because they were
equally bad on both sides.

Speaker 4 (03:07:37):
Of the bay. So you think they're equally bad.

Speaker 5 (03:07:39):
They're horrible on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 4 (03:07:41):
I would say, until Drake May got here, the offense
was worse.

Speaker 5 (03:07:46):
The offense was worse than what.

Speaker 4 (03:07:48):
Then the defense.

Speaker 5 (03:07:50):
But they're both last, So what's the difference?

Speaker 4 (03:07:52):
No, I know, But like as Parcels would say, you know,
one side gives the other side hope.

Speaker 5 (03:07:56):
Right, and they get no hope from either side. Right,
But they can't get off the field and they can't
stay on the field. So it's a bad combination. If
a Mike is right.

Speaker 4 (03:08:04):
If I have to say which one is was worse,
I would say the offense.

Speaker 5 (03:08:08):
I don't know how you can watch a team run
the ball twenty times in a row and say that
the offense is worse. The offense went out in that
game and scored ten points the first two times they
got the ball. Did they get any help from the defense? No,
Brian Thomas got a bomb on the next play, and
all of a sudden it was floodgates open. They got
help from the offense for at least a quarter. They
stunk on both sides of the ball. They can't score

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and they can't stop you from scoring.

Speaker 1 (03:08:32):
They needed.

Speaker 5 (03:08:32):
This is why I'm gonna make fun of you for
looking for like a star at eighty five. But you're
not wrong. They need edge help, No, I mean, and
that's like I mean, they need they need somebody to
be able to rush the passer. But I don't know
where I Evans think about trenches. They need, they need.
This is why I said, like, if they don't get
a left tackle, yeah that was it'd be a disaster.

(03:08:53):
But like, I'm not expecting to fill the fifteen holes
that they had to fill. They didn't have more than
five or six quality the NFL starters. Now, I think
that they're starting to fill some of those gaps. I
just would say, like, don't kill that buzz I like
this draft, don't get a bus star here, and like
the eightieth pick. But I look at what the needs are.

Speaker 7 (03:09:14):
I look at the deeps and I say, I'd like
to at least put an iron in the fire.

Speaker 1 (03:09:17):
And you're right, maybe it'll work, maybe it won't.

Speaker 5 (03:09:20):
And that's why I will not make fun of you
if they take an edge, because they need an edge.

Speaker 7 (03:09:23):
But I still think, like a guy like Josiah Stuart,
it's an easy right into the rotation.

Speaker 1 (03:09:28):
Hey buddy, you're gonna go rush the passer.

Speaker 5 (03:09:29):
You're gonna do what you do best.

Speaker 1 (03:09:30):
You're super athletic, you got speed around the corner.

Speaker 7 (03:09:33):
That's exactly what we Lackett makes some older edge players,
and I was just you know, looking at I mean,
they were thirty second and pressure rate on offense thirty second.

Speaker 4 (03:09:40):
Thirtieth on defense.

Speaker 7 (03:09:41):
So if you believe in pressure counting, they were terrible
on offense, they were just a little bit less terrible
on defense.

Speaker 1 (03:09:47):
So I appreciate all the love.

Speaker 8 (03:09:48):
And I'm not say they were less snaps for deuced.

Speaker 5 (03:09:51):
I'm not even saying. And because I think. I don't
mean I don't think they were a little bit worse
on offense.

Speaker 4 (03:10:01):
They don't.

Speaker 5 (03:10:03):
It's like a poetry, poetry.

Speaker 4 (03:10:06):
Musicians musicians stopped.

Speaker 8 (03:10:09):
That's that's how I say. I'm agreeing with you.

Speaker 5 (03:10:11):
I think the defense awful. Did another one of your educations?

Speaker 8 (03:10:15):
Come on, Paul, and you're just jinxing it now.

Speaker 1 (03:10:17):
I mean, he was the one that was going to
be good.

Speaker 5 (03:10:19):
I was just they just Lostrell Sus and just crime,
we're having fun.

Speaker 8 (03:10:26):
Okay, I'm not saying that fifty I'm not saying any
of these guys are going to be Terrell's Suggs. But
this was the strength of the draft. This was the
depth of the edge class, and the depiction of one
was the strength of the of the draft. And that
means that in the third round at this point, there
are still players that people are really excited about as

(03:10:47):
prospects and are really high on them as prospects. Again,
I'm not saying that they're going to be stars, but
like Kyle Canarden in South Carolina last year had a
huge season in the SEC. Like he's a good pass rusher,
he's a good player.

Speaker 4 (03:11:00):
That was in practice.

Speaker 8 (03:11:01):
I wasn't gonna go there. But that's that. This is
exactly what I was hoping that they were gonna do,
was they were going to target some of the positions
that were thinner at the top of the draft. And
now just let the edge guys fall to you, right,
Let the guys at eighty five and one oh six
fall to you that have some upside and have some
tools and have some ability, and give them to Terrell
Williams and Mike Rabel and let them develop them and

(03:11:23):
see what happens.

Speaker 4 (03:11:24):
Dan and Boston says, tell Paul to get off his
high horse with his crimson, Chris Sims. Take Paul's the
guy who's most dismissive of other people's opinions, but in
this case he's on Chris sims side because he's so
enlightened and everyone else is stupid.

Speaker 5 (03:11:36):
Chris Sims loves Kyle Williams, so you hate him.

Speaker 4 (03:11:38):
The only reason I hate him on that because he
likes to be the contrarian. Good job, Paul, you went.

Speaker 8 (03:11:43):
So Jalen Knowle is going to the Texas Shy.

Speaker 1 (03:11:47):
I like that for them.

Speaker 5 (03:11:48):
Take you a little binkie and go home.

Speaker 1 (03:11:49):
But again, isn't it funny do you feel like Nickosaria
had a heel turner and he was like, I don't know,
we got draft wide receivers, like we.

Speaker 8 (03:11:54):
Yeah, well they drafted both Iowa state wide receivers.

Speaker 5 (03:11:57):
I actually don't love this because I like, they just
signed Christian Kirk. He's Christian Kirk.

Speaker 4 (03:12:02):
That's true, Jalen Noel.

Speaker 1 (03:12:05):
Yeah, you didn't even put Christian Kirk on the ground.

Speaker 5 (03:12:07):
Look, he just got bumped off the graphic.

Speaker 8 (03:12:09):
Yeah, well he got Christian. Christian Kirk's kind of running
out of steam at Christian Kirk's best football is behind him, probably.

Speaker 1 (03:12:15):
And Tanked Eli probably out for the year.

Speaker 8 (03:12:18):
Yeah, Tanked's probably out for the year. And maybe you
don't know long term at all what's going to happen.

Speaker 5 (03:12:23):
And just to clarify the whole Chris Sims thing, I
disagree with him. I think that Mike Rabel thinks that
he can play tackle. I just don't dismiss people's opinions
that are different than mine, that's all. You don't I don't.
I don't agree with them, and I'm not afraid to
tell you that I don't.

Speaker 4 (03:12:40):
Agree with Oh that's okay, then that dismissing it.

Speaker 5 (03:12:42):
No, no No, doesn't because I'm not telling you I'm right.
I thought Vernon Golston was like a unbelievable people Chris Sims.

Speaker 4 (03:12:50):
Are they dismissing him or not agreeing with no?

Speaker 5 (03:12:52):
Like I got so mad I had to turn it off?
Why because he said something I didn't agree right?

Speaker 4 (03:12:58):
Well, why would you get mad and turn it off
if you agree with him? Of course he disagreed with.

Speaker 5 (03:13:01):
Him, But you're turning it off like you're not going
to get Why Why wouldn't you turn it off if
you disagree with him? That Kyle Williams is a really
good prospect because he's he's saying something good about your guy.
Oh yeah, that's that's what that's that's my only point.

Speaker 4 (03:13:15):
With the guy. Why are you getting mad?

Speaker 5 (03:13:16):
But what if you disagree with him? But it's but
it's positive for your t if you're not going to
get mad about it. Oh well, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe
Kyle Williams really is good. I didn't like him, but
Chris Sen's likes him and the Patriots picked him.

Speaker 4 (03:13:27):
So yeah, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (03:13:29):
That's you know, that's how you form your opinions.

Speaker 1 (03:13:31):
Okay, you people, you guys have somebody who's on first.
That's how your opinion.

Speaker 8 (03:13:38):
You know, you know that it's ten to fifteen on
day two because we're getting.

Speaker 5 (03:13:43):
It's not it's not that's what. That's how you people
your opinions. They said something beautiful the guy we drafted.

Speaker 4 (03:13:50):
Are they good player? Are they Jets having a good draft?

Speaker 1 (03:13:54):
Haven't all right draft?

Speaker 8 (03:13:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (03:13:55):
All right?

Speaker 5 (03:13:55):
But I think Houston is having a memb draft. But
I think the Patriots have a Jets I think you
said Houston.

Speaker 4 (03:14:00):
I said the Jets down.

Speaker 5 (03:14:02):
They got Membo, Membo and Mason Mason.

Speaker 8 (03:14:06):
Taylor, Taylor and as acause Kentucky Pos helped me cope
with this Jets draft feels like it's wicked good.

Speaker 4 (03:14:12):
I'm worried. Break it down for me, please, Really it's wicked, wicked.

Speaker 5 (03:14:17):
It's a good draft.

Speaker 8 (03:14:18):
But if Justin Fields can play, they'll be they'll be Yeah, no,
they they've they've picked good players. I mean, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (03:14:25):
It doesn't it doesn't like it doesn't bother me.

Speaker 7 (03:14:28):
Like sometimes when I feel like the Ravens do it
all the time, Ravens draft a bunch of my guys,
it bothers me.

Speaker 5 (03:14:33):
If Justin Fields can't play, it won't matter.

Speaker 1 (03:14:35):
Right, that's I mean. And if he makeson Taylor great
great stats hasn't really ever lived up to.

Speaker 5 (03:14:40):
What he But this is Fred's theory on defense. I
think the Jets have the pieces to have a good defense.
They seem like they're always flaming out and playing terrible
defense by the middle of the year because they never
get any support from their offense. If Justin Fields can
play with Bryce Hall and Garrett Wilson and now Mason Taylor,
and you know, they've got a few pieces in place,

(03:15:01):
maybe they can be Okay, Dylan Fair, they have a
good offensive line interior.

Speaker 4 (03:15:07):
Rio's in Texas. What's up?

Speaker 5 (03:15:08):
Rio?

Speaker 16 (03:15:11):
And good evening, gentlemen.

Speaker 4 (03:15:12):
How you doing good?

Speaker 10 (03:15:14):
Great?

Speaker 16 (03:15:16):
I just kind of want to take a little bit
of a victory lap and offer a bit of constructive
criticism for Evan Okay, on the victory lap. First time
I called in to catch twenty two is to discuss
Kyle Williams absolutely loved that pick. I'm gonna declare here
now they broke the wide receiver curse. This guy is
gonna play. It's gonna be good. Okay, I know barth Is,

(03:15:40):
you know on Cloud nine, Ron.

Speaker 4 (03:15:41):
I'm not mad at you because I agree with you.

Speaker 5 (03:15:45):
You and Dave in the.

Speaker 16 (03:15:45):
Philippines, right, well, I would hope not. But on that topic,
that was my criticism for Evan. And again I have zero,
zero problem with Evan's steaks. I think he's really good
at what he does, but he does tend to come
across a little bit dismissive when somebody brings up something
that he's not on board with.

Speaker 5 (03:16:08):
I called you that's why he got mad at the take.

Speaker 16 (03:16:13):
That because Chris Sims is a douche.

Speaker 10 (03:16:17):
I hate there.

Speaker 4 (03:16:18):
You go.

Speaker 8 (03:16:19):
Yeah, No, I don't agree with other people.

Speaker 5 (03:16:21):
I do like all the Texas guys that het Chris
Sims because which what do they hold against it? What
did he? And he was entitled, yeah, I get it.

Speaker 10 (03:16:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (03:16:33):
No.

Speaker 16 (03:16:34):
Aside from that, though, I called you guys last night
and I listed off some players as my top players
at the top a round two Carson Schweesinger that you
guys didn't actually say anything about. He went at the top.
Dan Higgins was my favorite X in this draft. Kyle
Williams is my favorite receiver, but specifically for the X,
I like Higgins. But then I brought up Nick em

(03:16:57):
and Morey and Evan looked like, you know, somebody shot.

Speaker 8 (03:17:00):
His dog and don't talk about my dog, not well.

Speaker 16 (03:17:06):
Your imaginary dog. And you know that was Yeah, that
was That was the sort of thing where you know,
I think for about the third or fourth time you said,
well I'm not picking on Rio, well a little bit
you were. So I'll take that big by leap when
he's making you know, splash play after splash play in Seattle, okay,
but to to kind of take off, take way off

(03:17:27):
of that, I still think I'll agree with Deuce that one.
They need an edge like that's They've got some temporary
pieces there now, but they need somebody long term to develop.
But I think there's another position where that's really true.
And I've brought it up a bunch of times and
I haven't really seen anybody addressing in. It's a safety position.

(03:17:48):
To me, they've got two box safeties. And I think
Douger is done, Like I just don't think he's coming
back from that injury. I think his brain's broken, honestly,
the way I saw him play last year. What do
you guys think of Xavier Watts?

Speaker 10 (03:18:01):
I have never dame.

Speaker 16 (03:18:02):
I think you know, he's poor opposite of them and
Worry But you know, I think he's the kind of
guy that might have feeled a rabel.

Speaker 4 (03:18:08):
Yeah, we just talked about him a little bit.

Speaker 8 (03:18:10):
Yeah yeah, thanks for real and honestly real. We we
actually agree on more players than you think. We like
a lot of the same players, just not not Am
and Worry who I've argued with this one about too,
So it's not like this one.

Speaker 5 (03:18:23):
This one so I hate I can't listen to him
anymore because he he disagrees with me.

Speaker 8 (03:18:28):
Yeah, no, it's okay. I agree with the caller. He's
one hundred percent right. Like if we have a disagreement
on a player, I'm not going to agree with you,
like I'm going to disagree. I'm gonna stick to my guns.
I don't think he's a good I didn't like him,
didn't didn't like the tape. What can I say?

Speaker 5 (03:18:43):
I don't need to take it, and I don't need
you to take a victory lap either, if you're right, Well,
if anybody should take a victory lap on Kyle Williams,
it's Bart.

Speaker 8 (03:18:50):
I mean, Bart told me about Kyle Williams a year ago.
So like, if anybody's going to take a victory lap
on him.

Speaker 5 (03:18:55):
It's real.

Speaker 8 (03:18:56):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 4 (03:18:57):
Willson, k cod Hey, will Hey, how are you?

Speaker 9 (03:19:03):
I know it's been a long night. Thank you for
the hard work.

Speaker 32 (03:19:07):
First of all, you know, I'm very happy with the
Kyle Williams pick. I'm still con get some speed and
I like Henderson too. For sake of argument, with Dylan
Sampson still being on the board, would you have preferred
getting Burdened and Sampson? I mean, I might have, but
I'm fine with this as well.

Speaker 13 (03:19:23):
And I was wondering if you got songs.

Speaker 32 (03:19:25):
That Steve Smith Senior compared Kyle Williamston himself. I thought
that was pretty high praise. And I still like a
lot of players that are available. I know Paul was
a little you know, he didn't.

Speaker 24 (03:19:36):
Really like the edges that are still there.

Speaker 32 (03:19:38):
But I like Jasiah Stewart, I like Mila mc guard
I think that's some good players to get here at
eighty five.

Speaker 5 (03:19:44):
Okay, you guys to get the other line.

Speaker 8 (03:19:47):
Winston, yeah, Winston, Yeah, he's a he was a fun study.
He's got hurt, but he was gonna be a higher pick.
I think if he didn't get hurt, but he.

Speaker 1 (03:19:58):
Had that Jalen Walker presence vibes. Just this guy's a dude, and.

Speaker 8 (03:20:02):
He's super athletic too, and just really fluid, loose mover
in space. Like I really liked what I saw out
of him if he didn't get hurt. But he played
like three games last year and then then got hurt.
So who is the player? He said, I'm sorry, I
totally forgot.

Speaker 5 (03:20:22):
And there's still going to be more good players taken.
I didn't, you know, like just just just to stay like,
there will be guys taken, you know, in the next
one hundred picks that will be good players in the NFL.

Speaker 8 (03:20:35):
Are you sure?

Speaker 5 (03:20:37):
I am pretty sure.

Speaker 4 (03:20:37):
Show from the Darkness. The way everyone talks about Kyle
Williams sounds like a first round pick. What's the catch?
Why is he a third round guy?

Speaker 8 (03:20:45):
Yeah, so's older player. He's twenty three, you know, six
year player in college, so that that definitely hurt him.
He is not the biggest guy. I would agree with
that as well. You know, probably not going to be
a full time X or outside receivers, probably more of
a zero move receiver at the next level. I would

(03:21:06):
say age position, you know, flex would probably be the
two biggest.

Speaker 1 (03:21:09):
Things, no special teams something, Yeah in the beast.

Speaker 8 (03:21:13):
Yeah, there was like he's a great separator. I wouldn't
say he's a great route runner, Like he's not a technician.
He's just got great burst and suddenness and separation ability.
So there were some drifting on some of his routes
I saw on tape, especially you know, coming across the
middle of the field, Like things will have to clean
up in terms of his route running. But he's got
great natural separation skills to him. So I'd rather do

(03:21:36):
that I have to fix that, then have to fix
well he's running a four five five, you know, so.

Speaker 4 (03:21:41):
Kendall in San Diego, Stefan Diggs, Kyle Williams on the outside,
the Mario Douglas in the slot. How's the offense looking now?
What do you think?

Speaker 8 (03:21:52):
Feel much better about it?

Speaker 4 (03:21:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (03:21:54):
I mean I think it comes back to the thing
that Paul keeps saying, like, at this point, you have enough,
you have enough, you know, toys to play with, but
it's that next step for Drake May. Like, if Drake
May takes the next step with the pieces that they've added,
then they should be marketably better.

Speaker 1 (03:22:10):
That's connected.

Speaker 5 (03:22:11):
That's a Patriots running I mean, that's a Pittsburgh running
back Johnson.

Speaker 1 (03:22:14):
Yeah, well he's squaring Iowa in colors. But shoot, I
just forgot what I was going to say.

Speaker 5 (03:22:21):
It's my fault.

Speaker 1 (03:22:21):
What did you say, Evan, What were you talking about?

Speaker 8 (03:22:23):
I said, toys to Drake May?

Speaker 1 (03:22:25):
Now, yeah, yeah, I said.

Speaker 7 (03:22:26):
It goes back to I think, which is Paul said
about the Jets, like, if Justin Fields can play, that'll
be pretty good. If Drake May takes a step this year,
cuts down on the turnovers in clutch time, he's making
plays to win games, then they're going to be good.

Speaker 4 (03:22:38):
Uh, Anthony Seattle, I'm watching you guys on TV following
along Anyway, I just want to say how pumped I
am that we're addressing needs with name brand players. No
head scratchers, no trying to be smarter than everyone else.
Thirteen points per game, can't protect that quarterback. We went
protection explosion, explosion. It's officially a new regime.

Speaker 8 (03:22:58):
So Patriots traded down again, yep, So we're never getting
off the air. It seems like they're still in the
third round though, based off of that, but Kansas City
is now on the clock at eighty five. They have
made a trade with the Patriots, and the Patriots have
traded down. I'm wait there though, I'm trying to figure out.

Speaker 4 (03:23:17):
And filled in yet.

Speaker 5 (03:23:18):
Yeah, it's.

Speaker 8 (03:23:22):
Rights wherever the Chiefs were in the third round very five.

Speaker 5 (03:23:26):
I mean I think that that's.

Speaker 33 (03:23:27):
Where they are, but I'm positive we are at ninety five.
Now ninety five it is okay, Well we're doing a marathon.
And they bucks took Jacob Parrish as a player. I
really liked to play the nickel for the Patriots, So
good pick by Tampa. The Guka picked by Tampa was
kind of weird to me, like they they just paid
Chris Godwin and now they have redundant Chris Godwin because.

Speaker 5 (03:23:51):
I really like Jalen McMillan. Yeah, they had two older receivers,
a good young receiver, they get a good time, you know,
decent tight end, yeah, Kate Auton.

Speaker 8 (03:23:59):
So I actually really like this trade of the Patriots
just made. Uh they actually added a pick in twenty
twenty six.

Speaker 1 (03:24:06):
Hey, what do we got?

Speaker 8 (03:24:07):
So the Patriots have moved back ten spots to ninety
five overall and added a twenty twenty six fourth round
pick from Kansas City. So they added a fourth round
pick next year to this trade, so I actually kind
of like.

Speaker 4 (03:24:21):
That fourth So it was it was that a third
this year paul or pickswap and then they got a
fourth round I believe. So. Yes, so they got nothing
extra this year for it.

Speaker 8 (03:24:31):
They did not. They got a twenty twenty foururth round pick,
so they probably would have gotten a.

Speaker 5 (03:24:35):
They probably would have been a third round pick next year.

Speaker 8 (03:24:38):
Well, they would have gotten a fifth round pick this year.
So they got a fourth round pick next year. Oh wow,
so they actually that's actually pretty good value. What do
you think about it?

Speaker 5 (03:24:46):
I guess Yeah, Evans having a good weekend selling me
on stuff, and I'm really tired, so I'm just gonna
go with this.

Speaker 8 (03:24:54):
But the pick in the year ahead, Yeah, usually.

Speaker 5 (03:24:59):
You get an extra round the other way. Yeah, didn't
it go the other way?

Speaker 4 (03:25:04):
He's saying. He's saying, to drop.

Speaker 5 (03:25:06):
Down ten spots, it would have caught you a fifth
round pick, is what you're saying. So instead of that,
they got a fourth thron pick next year. That's what
I said. He's doing a good job selling me and stuff. Okay,
I gave him credit. You explained it to me in
like fifteen seconds.

Speaker 1 (03:25:19):
See now I'm too tired to do these things.

Speaker 4 (03:25:22):
Let's go to Florida. Daves there, what's up, Dave?

Speaker 24 (03:25:26):
Hey, guys, what's it going?

Speaker 4 (03:25:27):
Hey?

Speaker 9 (03:25:29):
I got a question.

Speaker 24 (03:25:30):
Am I living in the twilight zone? Because this might
be the happiest draft Patriots Unfiltered I've ever tuned into.
And I'm actually happy myself. This is very streme feeling
for the last five.

Speaker 5 (03:25:41):
This is an old school Belichick draft for me. I
haven't been happy like this since like the heyday.

Speaker 4 (03:25:46):
Of Fat lost his weight and he lost all his anger.

Speaker 5 (03:25:48):
So I haven't lost the anger. But I like this draft.
I like this draft a lot.

Speaker 24 (03:25:54):
I mean when you also add real quick yeah, I
got to disagree with Mike real quick on. I feel
the field to play as well for the Jets. The
Jets will be good, Fred, You'll be with me and
Jets will never be good.

Speaker 9 (03:26:05):
Yeah, take it off here, fair enough.

Speaker 1 (03:26:06):
I'll take that, right.

Speaker 4 (03:26:07):
There's always something with them, that's right.

Speaker 1 (03:26:09):
I forgot about that.

Speaker 4 (03:26:10):
Yeah, No, I think when you pair this draft up
with the addition of Mike Rabel, Josh McDaniels is back,
all you know, new coaching staff. What they did in
free agency, and now you know three people that on
paper are going to help this offense. I think there's

(03:26:30):
a lot to be excited about.

Speaker 7 (03:26:32):
I do two unfortunately, I don't know, but you can't
be you know, no, no, but that's I mean, but
those are long term needs, and you know, at this
point you're just trying to say, like what makes sense
to grab and that, you know, so it's not like,
oh my god, the season hinges on if they get
a third round defensive end. But I just say, I'm
gonna give Paul a little credit right now, because I
think last.

Speaker 8 (03:26:51):
Year I had a credit going around, yeah studying, Uh
you know last.

Speaker 1 (03:26:55):
Year, I mean, he was right.

Speaker 7 (03:26:56):
They didn't really change the team, like the team that
came back three twenty four essentially the same team.

Speaker 5 (03:27:02):
And it's two things from last year.

Speaker 7 (03:27:04):
And now I understand a little bit to some extent,
which I think Paul would probably agree with, that you know,
they had to keep some of those guys, like it
makes sense to some of them, probably.

Speaker 5 (03:27:12):
Not Henry, Like I wasn't opposed to bringing any of
them back, and then they just brought.

Speaker 1 (03:27:18):
All of them back, right, And so you know, they
didn't really do that this year.

Speaker 7 (03:27:22):
They've changed the team, they've added some new elements, they've
added some things that we don't know how it's gonna
work out in a good way.

Speaker 1 (03:27:28):
You know, it's like you have some options.

Speaker 8 (03:27:30):
It's not like.

Speaker 7 (03:27:31):
Jesus God, please Kendrick Bourne come back and be healthy.
Last year, you know, like that, you were so reliant
on that, and now it's all right, Well, maybe it
all clicks for Javon Baker. Maybe not, but then maybe
Kyle Williams, maybe he pops up.

Speaker 5 (03:27:43):
Instead of going into a season having to rely on
one of those things happening, well, no, I'm probably gonna
rely on having Stefan Diggs and Kyle Williams to go
with the Mario Douglas as opposed to Javon Baker and
Jalen Polk getting it. If they get it, great now
I have a really strong wide receiver room.

Speaker 1 (03:28:02):
But all the pressures on them to do it and
to prove.

Speaker 5 (03:28:04):
It and if not, they're going to go.

Speaker 4 (03:28:07):
And you know, Rabel said when he first got here,
this team's gonna look really different in August, and we're like, okay,
let's see and it.

Speaker 7 (03:28:15):
It will it will I mean, I mean, you guys
are writing me and going back to you know, teasing
me about the defense, like you're right, Like I mean
they the defensive front.

Speaker 1 (03:28:22):
The front is going to be completely different.

Speaker 5 (03:28:24):
And it's not done here. That's why I keep saying,
like I'm not gonna be like upset, and you know, say,
forget about what I said about how good the draft is.
If they start taking some defensive players. They need help
there too. I just don't expect to fill all the holes.
I think that they've only won eight games the last
two years, and I think they have significant ground to

(03:28:46):
make up. I think they've done a good job of
starting to make up some of that ground. I don't
think it's gonna be magic that they're gonna win ten
games this year what like this, Like they have a coach,
so all of a sudden, you know, you're not going
to lose all these games. You probably are, but you're
going to be much more poised to compete with the

(03:29:12):
Milton Williams. You're going to see Houghton Davis, you know,
and Roberts Spelaane's of the world as opposed to just
running it back with you know, all the same cast
of characters.

Speaker 7 (03:29:22):
Yeah, and then having really no depth once injuries struck
the defense. I mean, I think that's what exposed them.

Speaker 5 (03:29:28):
Those are things you can and by the way, right
now that's going to be an issue too because you've
you've replaced players, but again when those players inevitably start
to get banged up, you have to stack these kinds
of classes.

Speaker 1 (03:29:40):
Yeah, and it's I mean, I just to get depth. Yeah,
I mean the easiest way I say it right now
is you have splane.

Speaker 7 (03:29:46):
But you also you know, went and got what's his name,
Jack Gibbons as well, like another similar company. You know,
you're building some depth, You're building in some options, and
I think they've you can see like what direction they're going,
They've got a style they they have.

Speaker 1 (03:29:59):
It's just I mean, I.

Speaker 7 (03:30:00):
Don't want to I don't want to crap on last year,
but just this year, you really feel a sense of
they lost their.

Speaker 4 (03:30:05):
North star last well, he's not here anymore.

Speaker 8 (03:30:10):
I just liked the process of what this this offseason has.
The way that they've got about the offseason, I think
it's been you know, they've targeted players that fit the
style of play that they want to play, and they've
targeted guys that were at the top of the market
in free agency and they were able to actually actually
able to sign some of those players and convince some

(03:30:31):
of those guys to come to New England and be Patriots.
And then here in the draft, I just think that
they've they've played the value pretty well and all we
can grate them on right now is the process. Like
we'll see what happens with all these picks, you know,
over the course of the next two to three years.
But I said it earlier, like I feel like Kyle Williams,

(03:30:52):
in other years, they would have picked them at thirty eight,
like they would have reached on Kyle Williams, and they
would pick them around earlier than they had to, you know,
Jalen polk taikwon Thornton like they would have reached on
the player. And this year they they've been they've been
good at sticking true to the board. You know, Henderson
was the best player available for most people at thirty eight,
and they took the best player available at thirty eight.

Speaker 4 (03:31:13):
So they've traded down twice. Now, are in all fairness,
are there players that they passed up during this trade
down period that you're like, I wish they had taken.

Speaker 8 (03:31:24):
They look I mean, so let's see.

Speaker 7 (03:31:30):
Seventy seven Birch Noel yea, I already got a guy.
Winston probably wasn't really a fit, yeah, I mean not really.

Speaker 8 (03:31:38):
Yeah, it was really princely Birch. Noel Waley, Fairchild, Kevin Winston,
Caleb Johnson, Jacob Parrish, Noel Williams, and Jamari Caldwell have
gone so far in this this stretch of picks from
seventy seven to eighty five. Uh, Jacob Parrish was a
player I really liked. And they were sitting there at
eighty five and he went eighty four, and then they

(03:31:59):
traded out of eighty five. So if you wanna maybe,
if you want to kind of sit here and play
that side of the fence, you know, was Jacob Parrish
their guy, And when he got taken by Tampa Bay,
they traded out again. Yeah, I think that that could
be possible. He's a slot corner man, coverage corner. I
compared him to Jonathan Jones. I think he can play

(03:32:20):
a similar style. Play like that would have been a
nice like complete secondary at that point with Gonzo and
Carlton Davis on the outside and Jacob Parrish playing the nickel.
So maybe they they wanted Perish and he went there.
You know that pick, So that would be the one
guy that I would look at in nat cluster and say,

(03:32:40):
if there's anyone that I thought that they might actually
draft coming in, it was probably Parish. And it does
make sense, you know that they picked him the pick before.

Speaker 4 (03:32:51):
Adam and Louisiana. I emailed him to PU earlier this
year about how I thought the Giants had to take
Sanders to three overall to save their jobs. On reflection,
there was a lot of coping going on in that
line of thought. He might not go in the first
three rounds much less the first three picks. Love the
draft coverage and this slow decent descent into insanity on

(03:33:12):
the air.

Speaker 1 (03:33:14):
We'll get there.

Speaker 7 (03:33:15):
Yeah, it's gonna un out of a runway to trade
down though. So but we're gonna get an interview too,
aren't we. Uh, after the conclusion that yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:33:22):
Do we have something ready? Yeah, let's uh, let's looking.

Speaker 5 (03:33:28):
After we make the pick, we have that interview?

Speaker 4 (03:33:30):
Well we have Yeah, we're gonna have Ryan Cowden after
our last pick on this show. That's kind of a
reason why we have to stay in the air. But
also do we have. We don't have Kyle Williams yet.
I could get it ready, Okay, yeah, that'd be nice.

Speaker 8 (03:33:43):
So Saveon Williams just went to the Packers just to
fill to fill a buster here for a second. So
the Packers took Matthew Golden in the first round and
then they took save On Williams here in the third round.
So clearly the Packers thought they had to completely rebuild
their wide receiver room because they just double dipped a
wide receiver. Save you On Williams a really fun player. Uh,
kind of like a Corderio Patterson type of player where

(03:34:05):
you know, scheme touch guy and big, fast, explosive receiver.
Probably needs to be like schemed, open and helped and
things like that. He's not a pure receiver, but he's
a fun player and with the floor and his creativity,
I'm sure he'll be able to figure out ways to
get the ball in his hands and how to use him.

Speaker 1 (03:34:22):
Say Cordell Patterson.

Speaker 8 (03:34:24):
Yeah, yeah, Cordill Patterson. You know, Bishard Perryman, you know that,
those types of guys.

Speaker 1 (03:34:28):
Yeah, he was a fun He was a fun guy
to watch. I was like, what's this guy doing? I mean,
I don't know why to figure what the number is
with a handoffs.

Speaker 8 (03:34:33):
That, oh yeah, and straight out of the backfield too,
like as a running back. And I think the one
thing that really could put him over the top is
is that he has better contested catch skills than I
would say Patterson did. Like he can climb the ladder
and catch the ball over guys and use his size
in that way. But it's funny because they'll he'll drop
like a five yard slant where he's uncovered and there's

(03:34:55):
nobody around him, and he'll just drop the ball and
then he'll go and moss somebody on the next play.
It's He's one of those kinds of guys.

Speaker 1 (03:35:00):
Did you guys look at what's happening in the NFC
West a little bit as like an arms race. It's
an arms race right now there.

Speaker 7 (03:35:06):
I mean, all these receivers have gone. I mean, Detroit
super explosive offense last year. Chicago seemingly can't get enough receivers.
We've seen Packers have added a couple as well. You know,
I just I wonder how much the team inside the
division kind of dictates how the rest of the team's
kind of play. Like when the Patriots were dominating. I
always felt like the Jets the Bills there always how

(03:35:27):
do we get to Tom Brady? You know, we would
get interior pressure? Do we try to target those guys?
I just I wonder in that division if Detroit's really
kind of set in the bar and all these other
teams are, like, man, we are going to have to
score a bunch of points to keep up with those
guys the way they play.

Speaker 4 (03:35:40):
Yeah, Chad Atlanta. Will there ever be an answer, a
true answer to the exposition exposition for the Patriots? Yeah?

Speaker 21 (03:35:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:35:50):
Evan says Kyle Williams can play on the outside, but
he's a small guy. Are they really going to go
into the season with thirty one year old Matt Collins
at that spot?

Speaker 8 (03:35:59):
I would say that, Uh, just because the guy is
not six foot four, it doesn't mean he can't be
an X receiver. You know, Stefan Diggs has played X
receiver plenty of in his career in Buffalo, especially in
Minnesota when he was playing next to THELN, So like,
it's not it's not just a size thing. Like you
can play on the outside with a different set of

(03:36:20):
skills than just being a big body X receiver that
can play outside the numbers. So in this kind of
offense with McDaniels, I mean, there's a lot of guys
that that weren't big guys that played the X for
Josh McDaniels. Like I go back to like Brandon Lloyd
was like he was what one hundred and eighty pounds
soaking wet, like, I mean, he was not a I.

Speaker 5 (03:36:40):
Mean, I Fell was bigger than Lloyd. But even you know,
Josh had got a good year out of Bourne. And
I know he's not he's not an X like, he's
not really in that, but he's not afraid to be unconventional. Yeah,
And I think Josh likes Kendrick Bourne for whatever reason,
Like I like, I we talked about this. I would
make him expendable before I would make a younger guy

(03:37:02):
expendable Budger. I don't think Josh looks at it that way. Now,
and someone's going to go now, I mean they added
Kyle Williams, Someone's going to go.

Speaker 7 (03:37:09):
I mean to me, it's just about I'd like a
spectrum of options, and you know, of course, competition's got
to be part of it, and you want to let
these guys all duke it out and there is some
overlap with the position group, but you know, I want
a guy with speed. I want a guy who you
know good after the catch. I want some size like
with Mac Collins. I mean, you joke about it, but
Mac Collins being like your fifth receiver and being a

(03:37:31):
key special teams guy like that's an important role on
the team. And you know, somebody who can contribute in
both phases. So and that's why I'm excited about Williams.
I mean, I set up before they picked him and
wanted a guy in that mold.

Speaker 10 (03:37:42):
That was what I was.

Speaker 1 (03:37:42):
Interested in this year. Not the not the little slot guys,
not the tough guys, but the guys who's just going
to bring an element of separation and speed. And that's
and I think they've really.

Speaker 4 (03:37:51):
Got a good spectrum in this room. I don't know
how it'll work out.

Speaker 1 (03:37:53):
I don't know who the one and then the two
and all that stuff will be, but I think they
have enough to work with that fosters some competition the
summer camp, get some joint practices, start to see you
know who who stands out.

Speaker 5 (03:38:03):
Like Rise And again I keep saying it, you can't fill.
They probably still have a hole there at that one,
but you can't fill them all at once. Someone wrote in,
you know, like a half hour ago, you know, the
idea of digs with Kyle Williams and to Mario Douglas,
it's not the worst this room for a one there
to knock all those guys down a spot, but that's

(03:38:25):
better than they've had out there the last couple of years.

Speaker 10 (03:38:27):
Sure.

Speaker 8 (03:38:27):
Yeah, And like you said, Paul if Stefan Diggs is
just like a bridge one for now, you know. You
know this year he's a bridge one and you got
the left tackle this year. Maybe next year in the
first round there's a stud wide receiver that comes out
that you feel is worthy of a pick, you know,
in the wherever they.

Speaker 5 (03:38:44):
Let's say that you get better and he's a bridge
guy one year, but you're picking in the teens next year.
You can be in line to get a you know,
a top wide receiver. You know, maybe not like a
Marvin Harrison Myleak Neighbors type, because they're going to go
at the top of the round, but you can get
a player in the teams at that position. You gotta
feel you got to take him as they come. You know,

(03:39:06):
it's like Cleveland's not forcing the quarterback. They still need
a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (03:39:10):
You should yet you know, oh my god, Wownderson comes
in and has forty catches this year. Maybe what what
does that mean?

Speaker 1 (03:39:21):
Who gets forty catches?

Speaker 8 (03:39:24):
Yeah, that would be awesome. I don't know if he's
gonna have forty catches, but that would be great. I mean,
he's got that kind of ability, There's no doubt about it. Like,
he's got that kind of past catching ability. And you know,
if he's truly good enough in pass protection and they
keep aces the test mentally in that respect, then they
can keep him on the field for third downs and
and maybe, like it's possible.

Speaker 7 (03:39:45):
It's kind of an interesting experiment. I mean, you guys
would you guys would know that. You know, it took
some time for Sane Vereen to kind of develop with
Kevin fall.

Speaker 5 (03:39:52):
I was just going to say, took some time, you know, for.

Speaker 1 (03:39:55):
James White to then develop.

Speaker 5 (03:39:56):
Both of those guys basically red shirted offense for that.

Speaker 1 (03:40:00):
Yeah, but but Henderson has like pass protection skills.

Speaker 5 (03:40:03):
He comes in with that probably at a higher level
than most.

Speaker 1 (03:40:06):
So it's it's, you know, it'll just an interesting experiment.
I don't know how it's gonna work.

Speaker 4 (03:40:09):
When Veren came, it was fun, and then when when
White came, it was Ververen. So they had to wait
their turn. Yeah, am I right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:40:16):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 4 (03:40:17):
I mean, uh, this guy doesn't have to wait for anybody.

Speaker 7 (03:40:20):
No, No, I mean, and I mean, and I kind
of like Antonio gets. I mean, you know, I was
probably liked him a little more than anybody else, but
young legs and running back.

Speaker 5 (03:40:28):
He's not ready. He's not ready.

Speaker 8 (03:40:29):
Yea, yeah, no, I but I think you're gonna as
a team like the Patriots that that are starving for
big plays run offense, You're gonna want to find ways
to get Trevon Henderson the ball in space, like, even
if it's has to be really orchestrated because he can't
handle just playing every single third down right out of
the gate with the pass protection responsibilities. I think you're

(03:40:52):
still going to try to find ways on first and
second down, throw them screens, throw them passes into the flats,
you know, swings, things like that, and just to see
if you can get them and get him, get him
into some space.

Speaker 5 (03:41:02):
Yeah. And I think if they felt like Shane Vereen
was ready, like Kevin Falk did nothing really that last year.
Got heard that twenty eleven year he didn't. It wasn't
really a big part. I don't think he was even
active in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (03:41:12):
Yeah, well they had Danny Woodhead kind of had the.

Speaker 7 (03:41:14):
Like would stop gap a little, right, It was Woodhead
that he got aways too.

Speaker 1 (03:41:18):
Yeah, and then Veren was really good in that strol.

Speaker 7 (03:41:20):
But then I remember you get to twenty fifteen and
and then the playoffs in twenty fifteen and James White
had like fifteen targets or something crazy.

Speaker 1 (03:41:27):
Like that, Like me just a bunch of touches, had six.

Speaker 5 (03:41:29):
Didn't you have like a million catches in that Denver game?

Speaker 1 (03:41:31):
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (03:41:32):
Yeah, yeah, soft for that wheel route, right, And I.

Speaker 1 (03:41:35):
Remember kind of like going into that.

Speaker 5 (03:41:37):
I remember going to that offen amazing, how Brady's never
made a bad pass.

Speaker 4 (03:41:41):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 7 (03:41:41):
It's it's funny, is I remember being kind of frustrated
by that game and like, what are we doing?

Speaker 5 (03:41:45):
We're trying to force the ball that James White targeted
him a million times.

Speaker 7 (03:41:48):
Cut to one year later in the Super Bowl and
James White is you know, got two point conversions in
the game when he touched down.

Speaker 1 (03:41:54):
You know, it's it's funny how it works out.

Speaker 4 (03:41:56):
Ryan says, saying the Pages would have picked Kyle Williams
in the second is outrageous. They would have picked Nick
Nash in the second, Let's be honest.

Speaker 8 (03:42:04):
Yeah, I said this before the draft, and I just
that's why I think I'm I'm mostly excited because you know, Paul,
you say this a lot, but like, we don't really
know what these guys are going to turn into. Like
we all hope that, we have hope that they're going
to turn into great players. But they've stuck to the
board here, like Campbell Anderson, Williams, is they all they
picked them exactly where everyone had them projected to go,

(03:42:26):
you know, first, second, third round, and there's no reaches,
there's no wait what they picked who in the second round?
Like there's nothing going on like that. You know, that's
that's a refreshing feeling because I didn't really necessarily feel
that way the last couple of years.

Speaker 5 (03:42:39):
Yeah, and again, we don't know that the projections are right.
But there's two things. Number One, you you inherently feel
better when they're picking guys that you're really familiar with
at you know, in the school positions.

Speaker 1 (03:42:51):
Oh yeah, oh yeah sure.

Speaker 5 (03:42:52):
Will you be talking about running back a wide receiver?

Speaker 8 (03:42:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (03:42:55):
Like I know these guys, I know these names. I
watched the highlights, these guys as to the guard that
like there is.

Speaker 1 (03:43:03):
I know, well that was last year with like what
day two when they had you know, a bunch of
guards going and they're.

Speaker 5 (03:43:07):
Like yeah, okay, wait yeah road grad. Yeah it looks
like but it's harder, it's harder to make the projection.

Speaker 4 (03:43:13):
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Speaker 4 (03:48:19):
All right back here, Jalen Milroe just got taken. Hey, thanks,
and Shador Sanders is still out there. This is a
repeat at this point, it's like not even like a story,
you know, It's like, oh, it's a story.

Speaker 5 (03:48:33):
Like for these NFL people that are like a gash,
I wonder are they are they talking? Like on Twitter
they keep writing all like the players that are available
at all, and every one of them, you know, He's.

Speaker 7 (03:48:44):
It's a little bit of a psychological experiment to me
because after I heard Sanders talk at the combine and
just you know, couldn't have been more self assured, more
confident in himself.

Speaker 1 (03:48:54):
And it's like, this is going to go one of
two ways. And now I just want to see how
he deals with this.

Speaker 10 (03:48:59):
What's this?

Speaker 1 (03:49:00):
You know, what does this do to him?

Speaker 7 (03:49:02):
He seemed to completely believe that he was ready to
come in and turn a franchise around, and now he's
going to have to, you know, take a long look
at going into a team and working his way in
waiting for an opportunity, trying to get better. It's I
think it's a lot different. I just can't imagine that
there was anyone telling.

Speaker 1 (03:49:16):
Him that he was going to end up being a
Day three selection. I mean, I made a bet with
Paul He's going on the top of it.

Speaker 4 (03:49:20):
But like, I didn't think he was that great. But
I think he's better than Jalen milroeh. I just you know,
I mean, I'm pretty.

Speaker 5 (03:49:26):
Sure, so I think he's better than Jalen Milroe as well.
But Jalen Milroe is a vastly superior athlete. And if
you don't think that Sanders can throw well enough, he
doesn't have the physical skills to make up for that. Now,
I think that Sanders is better than Milroe, but I

(03:49:46):
could understand why someone could look at Milroe and say,
I can lamar Jackson him. He's special, He's got a
special skill that Sanders doesn't.

Speaker 8 (03:49:54):
Special runner and and really good arm like you know, yes,
very inaccurate, but really good armed strength and power in
his throes. Better at both those things, I would say
than Chador. But sure Chador is definitely a better pocket passer,
like he definitely has a better innate feel for playing
the position for sure.

Speaker 5 (03:50:12):
I am just fascinated by if this was just about
the interviews and all that, which a lot of the
talking heads are intimating, like, oh, this is all deon Sanders.
You know, they don't they don't want the cocky, brash attitude.
He rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. That
that can't be. It like it, it has to be.

(03:50:34):
People aren't sold on the skills. And then they're saying,
I'm not going to bother taking a flyer on a
guy who has limited skills because of how poorly he interviewed.
It's it's not worth it. It has to be a
combination of the two.

Speaker 7 (03:50:47):
That way, I kind of respect the NFL teams for
doing it. I just I thought they'd all be duped.
I thought they'd buy the confidence and they would just say,
we don't think this guy can really play.

Speaker 1 (03:50:55):
But it's Dion's kid. He seems like he really is confident.
He seems to believe in himself. I think we need
a quarterback. Let's just pull the trigger. That's how I
saw it unfolding. But I think you're right, Paul. I
think teams just scared away.

Speaker 4 (03:51:05):
So the Saints pick is in, then it's the Browns,
and then it's the Patriots at ninety five in the
third round, and.

Speaker 5 (03:51:13):
That ends the third round.

Speaker 1 (03:51:14):
No, No, still about seven. There's still a chance they
could trade back down or trade back in.

Speaker 8 (03:51:21):
Two picks.

Speaker 5 (03:51:22):
So that's why I was asking, well, they do have
oh yeah, you haven't even gotten to the compensatory picks yet.

Speaker 8 (03:51:27):
They do have three fifth round picks now because they
added a pick, and they have the two seventh So uh,
in theory they could.

Speaker 4 (03:51:35):
I forgot about the comp pe Yeah, the third round
at one O two and the Patriots will be at
ninety five. Ker went to, Uh, the Saints, Virginia.

Speaker 8 (03:51:51):
You want two guesses at the Patriots pick. I'll give
you two guesses.

Speaker 5 (03:51:54):
Well, one of them.

Speaker 8 (03:51:55):
Joshua Farmer from Florida State, defensive end, play a little
bit of tackle as well, long arms on arm length
with the Patriots. I think he has like thirty five
inch arms like, he's got real long arms. He's got
good power, good two gapping ability. The other guy, similar player,
similar position, Baron Sorel from Texas. Really raw, toolsy, high upside,

(03:52:18):
very athletic defensive end, four to three end. I think
he plays me and he plays nasty, angry effort, finish
check check. I think both those guys make a lot
of sense for them right now at this spot in deuce,
will finally get a player on defense.

Speaker 1 (03:52:34):
Yeah you think so, No, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (03:52:36):
It's just my guess.

Speaker 5 (03:52:37):
We're just trying to play k I.

Speaker 7 (03:52:39):
Mean, just a little little highlight for tomorrow, so you know,
fourth round kickoff things that I guess at noon, fourth
overall pick, and then in the in the fifth round
if you don't want to do the math.

Speaker 1 (03:52:49):
They'll pick eighth or sorry, sixth and eighth, and there
should be one more so.

Speaker 8 (03:52:54):
The Browns have taken a quarterback. It is not or
they have taken Dylan Gabriel, the quarterback from Oregon. So
Dylan Gabriel is like five eight five nine, like legitimately
like he's he's tiny.

Speaker 5 (03:53:09):
So there's a guy with probably less physical skills like that.

Speaker 8 (03:53:13):
They just really did not like Shdoor Sanders like that.
This is a complete I mean, Dylan Gabriel, this highest
is honestly kind of crazy. I think this is kind
of might just.

Speaker 4 (03:53:22):
Burn this league down.

Speaker 10 (03:53:24):
He might.

Speaker 4 (03:53:24):
He might go to war with the NFL.

Speaker 8 (03:53:26):
The Patriots are on the clock.

Speaker 1 (03:53:27):
By the way, is it too late for Shure to
go back to Colorado since they retired his number?

Speaker 4 (03:53:32):
Ah? Well, you can always unretire what you retire, I mean,
just wear a different number. Right, I can do whatever
he wants. Okay, So the Patriots are on the clock.
The pick is in for Cleveland, so we await the
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hours here. This is bonus cover, bonus coverage.

Speaker 7 (03:53:58):
I want to shout out to a the caller or
email or that you know picked the bone with me
and then you guys for you know, kind of pile
on me a little bit because I feel like it.

Speaker 4 (03:54:06):
You know, it is the juice we needed.

Speaker 5 (03:54:10):
That.

Speaker 1 (03:54:10):
I'm thanking you. I'm thanking you for for getting me
a little angry. And you know it's not easy to
do to get you know.

Speaker 4 (03:54:16):
The duce fired up, but the deuce, but they did.

Speaker 5 (03:54:20):
And the third person, I like it.

Speaker 1 (03:54:24):
It's lau.

Speaker 5 (03:54:25):
She brought some passion to and otherwise attack the defense.

Speaker 1 (03:54:29):
I gotta respond, you know, It's just it's how I.

Speaker 5 (03:54:31):
Am Freddie trying to tell you the defense wasn't as
bad as the offense really got any got.

Speaker 1 (03:54:37):
At any point of that, did he turns to you
and give the eyebrows thing?

Speaker 5 (03:54:40):
He didn't know? He didn't, although at one point we
both did look at each other and say how great
it was that you were as passionate as you were there. Right,
Is that that's acturate?

Speaker 2 (03:54:50):
Right?

Speaker 10 (03:54:50):
Right?

Speaker 1 (03:54:50):
No, it's good, it's good. We needed we need a
little kick in the pants there.

Speaker 8 (03:54:53):
Post ten PM, I still can't believe they took Dylan Gabriel. Yeah,
I mean that's crazy that that's absolutely crazy.

Speaker 5 (03:54:59):
Like Dan Gabriel is the ultimate college quarterback.

Speaker 8 (03:55:02):
Yeah, most people had Dylan Gabriel like just pulling him
up in the beast right now, Dylan Gabriel had a
fourth round grade. I'm in the beast. So Dame Bruger
had a first second on Shador Sanders and they took
a guy with the fourth round grade instead.

Speaker 1 (03:55:16):
So this is just basically four is having the draft
party again tonight or is that that was just last
They don't have like a he's just sitting at home.

Speaker 5 (03:55:28):
Yeah, this guy, he's just like throwing dirt right on
the grave.

Speaker 4 (03:55:32):
He's not dead.

Speaker 1 (03:55:34):
He's gonna get a chance.

Speaker 4 (03:55:35):
But I don't know, is he I don't know.

Speaker 5 (03:55:39):
You think he goes on drafted period?

Speaker 10 (03:55:41):
No, damn?

Speaker 1 (03:55:42):
I mean at what point does he start wishing for that?

Speaker 5 (03:55:45):
Take him at North Carolina?

Speaker 8 (03:55:47):
I would have to think Pittsburgh. Maybe at some point
in the when maybe Brady.

Speaker 1 (03:55:53):
Brady gets the Raiders to help him out.

Speaker 4 (03:55:54):
His boys should But now like again, well maybe he's humbled.
I don't know, but like now you pick him in
the fourth round, the fifth round as this project. But
the clamor is going to be get him out there,
get him out there, and do you want that?

Speaker 1 (03:56:10):
Well that's a good question, Fred, I mean, do you
think if he's taken.

Speaker 8 (03:56:13):
Uh, Patriots pick us in.

Speaker 5 (03:56:17):
We don't have only only an hour over.

Speaker 4 (03:56:20):
It'll be the center of attention when we talk about
very good food wild.

Speaker 5 (03:56:29):
Uh yeah, Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 4 (03:56:34):
Yeah, oh yeah, Okay, I guess I should don't care.

Speaker 8 (03:56:40):
Quarter back, Yeah, speaking of centers.

Speaker 4 (03:56:46):
Not happy, speaking of centers, all right, Evan Happy? Yeah, yeah,
you know, it is what it is. Who was that
five ninety five? Yep? So why don't we just talk
about it?

Speaker 8 (03:57:00):
All right? So well, we're going to be the first
one to talk about it.

Speaker 4 (03:57:04):
Just oh really yeah, no one else is not, okay,
so let's wait, yeah, let's wait. Wow, I can't believe that.

Speaker 7 (03:57:11):
Yeah, well, maybe just you talk a little bit about
David Andrews retired this year, obviously a great player from Georgia.

Speaker 1 (03:57:22):
Snap the ball, all right, I mean I.

Speaker 8 (03:57:28):
Show I tried to play.

Speaker 9 (03:57:32):
I tried to play.

Speaker 7 (03:57:34):
Because I just wanted to honor David Andrews and the
great job he did as a center from Georgia for
the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (03:57:40):
Adam and We said, the networks are absolutely talking about
Shador Sanders slides, so much so that NFL network was
discussing if he could return to college and he can't.

Speaker 1 (03:57:53):
Oh, they were bringing that up too.

Speaker 5 (03:57:55):
So I I wonder the team that I would really
wonder about is purg because of Tomlin and his strong
like I'm talking about the teams that need a quarterback,
but his strong program. He can take him. And I think, Fred,
you might be right, like this might end up being
something that could be beneficial for him if he allows

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it to be and have it humble him.

Speaker 4 (03:58:18):
A little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:58:20):
And then for any of these people that are talking
about how poorly he interviewed, you can't interview poorly in
that regard after getting you know, you know, snubbed for
three rounds. Right, So maybe Pittsburgh looks to pick him up.
And you know, even if they do end up signing
Aaron Rodgers, you know, it's only a one year thing

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more than likely. So you let him learn and let
him be humble, yep, and let him, you know, get
himself prepared under a guy like like.

Speaker 4 (03:58:50):
Let's go to James White. Yeah, at the podium, he's
going to be announcing the Patriots pickerta to see them right.

Speaker 17 (03:58:56):
Now as the pass ninety fifth overall selection.

Speaker 4 (03:59:00):
What's going on Wesco?

Speaker 10 (03:59:03):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (03:59:04):
Yeah, with the ninety fifth pick in the twenty.

Speaker 20 (03:59:06):
Twenty five NFL Draft the sixth time Super Bowl champion
New England, Pagris select Jared Wilson center Georgia.

Speaker 5 (03:59:16):
Oh, this is so.

Speaker 4 (03:59:18):
We talked about it. Could they take a center in
the third round and they did? They stick to offense. Dudes,
I'm sorry now, it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (03:59:26):
That's all right.

Speaker 7 (03:59:27):
I mean I do think I mean I would almost
put the need at center vaguely in the position of
where the edge need is. But I think at this
point this is the kind of position where I think
I'd rather they go and get the player and not
kind of sit there and wait. We've talked a lot
about the depth that they have there, but is there
really any depth there?

Speaker 1 (03:59:47):
We don't know for sure. You know, behind Bradbury, what
they have in Cole Strange, you know what they might
have in Jake Andrews.

Speaker 5 (03:59:56):
So they don't have a ton invested in Bradbury. It's
a two year deal, there's some guaranteed money. It's like
three million. He's going to be on the team, yeah,
you know, barring something you know, unforeseen. But goes back
to Fred's thing last night, like if they it might
have been early tonight. I don't know. It all blends together.

Speaker 1 (04:00:11):
We run there so long.

Speaker 5 (04:00:13):
If they took a if they took a center, you know,
is that like a plug and play kind of a move.
And yeah, I think this competition. I mean, do I
think that Garrett Bradbury is the starting center? Yes, I do.
But if this kid comes in and he's he's really
good and he makes Bradbury expendable, I don't. I don't
think that that's out of the Roman possibility Fred's theory.

Speaker 10 (04:00:35):
No.

Speaker 7 (04:00:35):
I mean it's look, Patriots no strangers to having centers
come in and start as rookies, right, And I think.

Speaker 5 (04:00:40):
Evan you probably were right. They're moving down with a
n eye on a player that they probably knew a
center is going to be available. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (04:00:48):
So I really thought that Jared Wilson uh graded out
really highly for me. I mean he was my sixty sixth,
sixty seventh player on the board. Obviously he plays center,
so you know, probably docks them around or so there
with that, but a fantastic combine nine point nine to
eight relative athletics scorer out of ten. That's elite athleticism

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at the position. Wide body, good athlete, stout, anchor to
them and pass protection, you know, and head up rushers,
you know, zero technique nose tackles, try to bowl rush
him and push them in the pocket box with a
nice low center of gravity. I really think this is
a starting center of the future, like a guy that
has starting center caliber upside. Now, he only started one

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year at Georgia, so you know, the Garrett Bradbury of
it all, he's a pretty inexperienced player, especially for his center.
You know, centers usually you hear about centers have been
starting forty fifty games in college and you know their
cerebral and they understand how to run the line of
scrimmage and how to communicate pre snap and do all
that different type of stuff. So for now, Jared Wilson

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is you know, a guy that maybe they develop in
the short term and maybe get him in there midway
through the season, late rookie season, maybe even your two
and like Garrett Wilson, Garrett Wilson, Garrett Bradbury, show him
the rope. I don't think he can play guard. That
would be the one thing that I would say, Now,
could he play it? And could they give him a chance? Like,

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of course they could always give it and play it
a chance, But I had him as a center. Dan
Bruger had him as a center. Pretty much everybody you
you know, look across the board, everybody in the draft
community had him as a center. So I think he
is a true center prospect. But like I said, it's
what I like about it is that you know, you
have Garrett Bradbery right now that can start day one,

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you know, week one in September, and then Jarrett Wilson's
got that upside and got that physical tools to potentially
be the starter in year two or maybe halfway through
his rookie season or something like that. Yeah, but he's
got upside. I think he's got tremendous upside with that athleticism.

Speaker 4 (04:02:55):
Logan and Myrtle Beach right, Sid, I don't understand how
you can't like this draft. They acknowledged and went for
guys that positions of need. Given not every prospect will hit,
but the guys they've taken fit obvious holes they had
on the roster. I think they couldn't have done much
better with the issues they needed to fix. LFG Go
Patriots Nation.

Speaker 5 (04:03:14):
I think we're all in the same patro change.

Speaker 1 (04:03:15):
Yeah, just except for the edge position.

Speaker 4 (04:03:17):
But that's fine.

Speaker 8 (04:03:18):
Yeah, I would say, the one thing you know about
this pick to douce his point over there. You know,
I don't know if Jared Wilson is an immediate contributor.
You know, I think the first three picks that they
made are certainly the first two or immediate contributors. My
guess is that Jared Wilson is more of a developmental play.
You know, he's a younger player. Like I said, he
hasn't started a ton of games. That's not a position

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that you know you're gonna make all the line calls
and do all You don't just throw those guys into
the into the fire too often at that spot. So
this is the first one out of the guys that
they've taken that I feel like is we're more talking
about the long game with a guy like Jared Wilson.

Speaker 4 (04:03:55):
Gary and Ireland. Jared Wilson not the sexy pick, but
a very good pick. He'll be there at center for
the next ten years.

Speaker 5 (04:04:04):
I don't know about ten years, but people love to
use that line and it makes me laugh. For the
next decade, Well, you just pencil them in for the
next ten years again about it? Like you see these
poor guys like Ryan Ramschiks for like New Orleans excellent
offensive lineman. He just had to retire because it's like
kneezer shot. He's been in the league like seven years.

Speaker 4 (04:04:23):
I know, but you do realize that this is a
show for Patriots fans.

Speaker 5 (04:04:26):
No, no, no, no. But I'm just saying, like, do
you know how hard it is to play for ten years?
That's what my point is, not that these guys aren't
good players in the NFL right and nowadays like they're
starting to make money so they don't have to play
that long like that offensive lineman, especially Emery Ratt wants to.

Speaker 4 (04:04:45):
Know, does this mean cole Strange goes back to left guard?

Speaker 8 (04:04:48):
I think that Cole Strange is going back to left
guard regardless. You know, I thought, I've thought since the
moment they signed Bradberry that he was the leader in
the clubhouse to be the starting center unless he had
like a real drop off in training camp and was really,
you know, having a tough time of it in training camp.
So that guard competition, you know, it's it's Robinson, it's

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Cold Strange, it's City. So right now, I think one
of those three guys they hope we'll emerge out of
the out of the the camp battle.

Speaker 1 (04:05:16):
A couple just beasts.

Speaker 7 (04:05:17):
No, sorry, Evan, if I didn't, if I didn't hear
you mentioned this, but led all offensive linemen in the
forty yard, dashed to the combine four point y four
and hit twenty one point zero four miles per hour,
the fastest ever for a center.

Speaker 1 (04:05:29):
So we can run. He'll be running up those hills
pretty good, pretty fast.

Speaker 8 (04:05:32):
Okay, little nuggets.

Speaker 5 (04:05:34):
So we got that.

Speaker 1 (04:05:34):
Go on gets from the beast, which is nice. Which
is nice, be running.

Speaker 4 (04:05:37):
Fast, little run on safeties Xavier Watts, we talked about him,
Notre Dame. Then Jalen Smith from USC earlier, Jonas Sanker
from Virginia. So three out of the last six picks
were safeties.

Speaker 5 (04:05:52):
There's Jonas soft j yogging.

Speaker 4 (04:05:56):
I'm just kidding, Raiders have two picks.

Speaker 5 (04:05:59):
I'm not completely out of the San.

Speaker 4 (04:06:00):
Francisco's got to pick the Eagles and then Minnesota and
that closes out the third round. So we're getting close.
Let's see. Jeremiah says, I don't understand the Sanders fall.
I can someone understand the argument for Jackson Dart being better,
but I don't see it. Every other backup after that.
Just seems like the league has this unreal dislike for him.

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It would seem that way for whatever reason that dislike.

Speaker 5 (04:06:27):
Yeah, I just think it's born out of ability, because
I don't think you just don't take like three rounds in, right,
you know, just because you don't like someone. Yeah, like
that might be why Aaron Rodgers dropped from the top
of the first round to like the middle of the
first round or the end of the first round, because
he rubbed people the wrong way. But obviously the ability

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is we're gonna take him. He's too good to pass up.
Someone took him.

Speaker 4 (04:06:50):
He's a super athlete. All right, Let's see for Deuce.
Ethan says, Sand's actually had a draft room built for
the draft. It's on Twitter. Check it out.

Speaker 1 (04:07:04):
Really, you could shot him just sitting in there and
by himself right now. But I don't know.

Speaker 7 (04:07:09):
I mean, interesting guy, and I just love to see
people put in challenging situations, and that seems like this
is kind of like the exact kind of challenge that
should or Sanders needed. And I don't know, maybe maybe
the best will come out of this, Maybe he'll be
humbled a little bit, and you know, he'll come in
and then he'll keep his mouth shut and work hard,
and then that's what teams.

Speaker 5 (04:07:29):
Are hoping for, that's what he needs to do.

Speaker 1 (04:07:31):
Yeah, I mean, I hope. I think teams are probably
hoping that a he doesn't, you know, get.

Speaker 7 (04:07:35):
Drafted in whatever day three somewhere and still come in
with that kind of confidence on his shoulder. But also
too that the fan base doesn't do like we talked
about before the show with Malie Cunningham and with Joe Milton,
that there's always an intrigue with the backup quarterback and
the second there's some kind of you know, something going
on with the starting quarterback. It's going to start with
drum beats, and you know, are there going to be

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fans of this team even though should Er sanders Fellow
the third round on the NFL tells you what they
think of his potential at least out of the gate,
and still kind of like expect him to be like, well,
they got him waiting, let's get him in now, you
know that kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (04:08:08):
Let's see, let's go to the phone and we'll go
to Alex in San Francisco. What's up, Alex?

Speaker 1 (04:08:16):
I got a lot of Freezency, alex.

Speaker 4 (04:08:20):
Is alex there.

Speaker 7 (04:08:22):
It was like me last night with the Peterski Your
line should have been you got Milton Williams, just shut up.

Speaker 4 (04:08:28):
You got a lot more than Milton Williams gave and Maine.
I love this draft so far. It seems like the
team finally realized that the days of finding diamonds in
the rough are over. Rabel probably gave Elliott one pick
to use as he sees fit, and that's how they
got the wide receiver. Rabel made the rest of the
picks and went with guys that are good at football.

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Now pick Sanders as the late round quarterback and we'll
be all set. I think he's kidding. I hope.

Speaker 8 (04:08:54):
I don't know who's making the picks, but I keep
saying I just love that they stuck to the board,
like we still have not had a Patriot reach yet
and that that is just awesome, Like that's great. Like
Jared Wilson. I just looked it up. Dame Bruger had
a second round grade on Jared Wilson.

Speaker 5 (04:09:11):
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 8 (04:09:12):
He had him firmly in the top one hundred.

Speaker 5 (04:09:14):
So he has him on his beasts at fifty seven.

Speaker 8 (04:09:18):
I had him at sixty something.

Speaker 5 (04:09:19):
Now on the other side, Kyle Williams was down in
the nineties ninety one, but still in the same round. Yeah,
you know, so like we're not talking about like Tevon
Wilson kind.

Speaker 1 (04:09:31):
Of you know, like what Jordan Richards, you know where
the rounds off, that's where they belong. I mean, they're
all cold strange easy.

Speaker 7 (04:09:39):
When these guys have all been picked, it's been easy
for us to say, this is why they made the pick,
this is how they fit in, this is why we're
excited about it.

Speaker 1 (04:09:47):
And I think in the in.

Speaker 7 (04:09:48):
Years past, there have been picks that have been really
hard to explain it or even to ourselves understand, Like
why why cold strange?

Speaker 1 (04:09:54):
Right here, I explain it to me. I don't understand it.

Speaker 7 (04:09:57):
But there's no explanation needed for the picks that they've made.
I think they all are seriously going to help this offense,
and I hope that they're going to be able to
get them out of the basement because that's what they
were last year.

Speaker 1 (04:10:07):
So they've got some options to play with.

Speaker 8 (04:10:09):
Yeah, the only position. And I don't mean to keep
on supporting deuce over here, Like I one of those six.
I really feel like the cherry on top right now
would be an edge rusher, like just to add one
of these guys that's going to slip through the cracks
here in the third round. You know, Jack Sawyer still there.

Speaker 1 (04:10:25):
At at Jack Sawyer right now.

Speaker 7 (04:10:27):
I mean, just again, like Rabel, what I like about
this is just going back to when they signed those
free agents and we met those free agents, and you
watch how Robert Spoline plays, and you watch how Milton
Williams plays, and then you look how all of these
players play, and you talk to will Campbell today sitting here,
and it's clear that they have a type.

Speaker 1 (04:10:45):
They know what they want and they're trying to build.

Speaker 7 (04:10:47):
And I think, you know my experience professionally when you
actually know that there's a vision and somebody you know,
driving the bus and saying this is the kind of
guys I want, this is how I want to play.
You know, ve Abel talk to the fans up at
the party said, you know, we're going to be the
kind of team that you guys understand and can get behind.

Speaker 1 (04:11:01):
Them, be proud of. And you know we have a style.

Speaker 7 (04:11:03):
And I think you just you see that coming to Fruition.
It has to translate onto the field. Of course, that's
what's important. But I just think all these pieces, they
all fit together into a puzzle, and it's it's easy
to see the picture that Mike Rabel and company are
putting together.

Speaker 4 (04:11:15):
Yeah, it is. You know, all all coaches want that
they want to build a culture, they want guys to
be proud of playing for the team and and all that,
but not all that they can do it, you know obviously.

Speaker 1 (04:11:31):
So it's hard. I mean, I think you need to
have a you know, a unity of vision.

Speaker 7 (04:11:35):
You need somebody at the top of the pyramid that
can really communicate what they want, and you have people
below you that understand.

Speaker 1 (04:11:43):
And support what you're looking for as well. So it's
just it seems like.

Speaker 7 (04:11:46):
They've they've really had a good first off season here
under Mike Rabel and you know, to reset, recalibrate the
whole direction of the franchise. And I would hope that
that Patriot fans out there, I would hope the majority
of them are pretty excited.

Speaker 1 (04:11:57):
It's it's it seems hard to.

Speaker 7 (04:11:58):
Be you know, miss after this offseason between Milton Williams,
Stefan Diggs, you know, Will Campbell up top the Kyle Williams,
the guy we talked about for what two hours leading
up to when they finally took him. We had no
idea that they liked him as much as we did.
You know, It's just it's it's all coming together. It's
it's pretty exciting.

Speaker 4 (04:12:15):
To see three more picks, and then this round is over.
The forty nine ers pick is in or no, they're
on the clock, but probably in. Then it's the Eagles
and the Vikings.

Speaker 10 (04:12:26):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (04:12:26):
And then we're supposed to be talking to Ryan Cowden,
so right after.

Speaker 5 (04:12:30):
I don't worried about that at the stitch.

Speaker 4 (04:12:33):
No, yeah, last night I heard it was still happening.

Speaker 1 (04:12:35):
Okay, all right, keep us trying to trade it. He
wants me, he wants that last two picks.

Speaker 4 (04:12:39):
Yeah, I mean, well you never know, they could trade
back up. Who knows.

Speaker 1 (04:12:42):
I mean at this point, I take it get a
couple of fifth rounders tomorrow, you know, yeah.

Speaker 8 (04:12:47):
I do wonder. You know, there was a lot of
conversation about like who was truly running this draft, right,
you know, who was really the guy that was making uh,
these these final picks. And I got to say, like
a lot of these guys is like feel like Rabel picks,
you know, and I know that that's sometimes not the
best way to read it, but it's just it just

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feels like, you know, some of these players that they've taken.
I mean, it took Campbell, who was just such a
Rabel guy from uh through and through, and then they
took an Ohio State guy, you know, with the next pick.
So like that feels like it, you know, you go
back with with the center there in the fourth round,
you know, I just I feel like this, you know,
to douce his point, a lot of these guys are

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sort of building that identity and building a vision of
the type of players that he's looking for. And you
can tell that his fingerprints are all over a lot
of these And I said to go back to the trenches,
and they did. I didn't think it was going to
be a center, to be honest with you, but they
did go back to the trenches.

Speaker 4 (04:13:44):
So John and La says that pick from k C
is I'm told the fourth k C gut from the
Bears for Tuny, so it's better than a k C fourth.
Can you confirm then discuss?

Speaker 1 (04:13:59):
I can't confirm that.

Speaker 8 (04:14:00):
Yeah, I haven't seen any information yet on which fourth
exactly it is, but I'll try to figure that out.

Speaker 7 (04:14:09):
I love when you get into the trades and then
you start to actually calculate, like, well, how bad are
they going to be?

Speaker 1 (04:14:13):
Like how good is this going to actually be?

Speaker 31 (04:14:15):
In the round?

Speaker 1 (04:14:16):
So it matters.

Speaker 5 (04:14:17):
They're talking about the future one yeah, and they think
at Chicago's So you're assuming Chicago will finish behind Kansas
City in terms of record. Maybe it would be a.

Speaker 1 (04:14:27):
Higher pay, maybe not that far though, it could be
thirty two and like twenty seven.

Speaker 5 (04:14:32):
Yeah, I mean Chicago, I don't know how good they'll be,
but they should be better. I mean, what do they
they would ten this year in the draft? Yeah, they should.
They should improve.

Speaker 4 (04:14:42):
David in Madrid loving this draft. If the Patriots get
the massive Holland Pierce, the big ex Thornton Junior, and
a tight end like Gunner Helm, I'll give this draft
a ten out of ten. An edge guy from Mike
that I like as a lottery pick is Ahmed Hassanane.
You heard him.

Speaker 5 (04:15:00):
I just threw his hands up in discuss.

Speaker 10 (04:15:02):
Now.

Speaker 2 (04:15:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (04:15:02):
I mean we're getting the day three I don't I'm
not going to cling to know. Everybody try to get
those first, like one hundred picks. Know those pretty well
inside and out. But there's a lot of dudes, a
lot of dudes, and then you know, on Sunday, get
some U DA phase and then you just try to
forget everything that you've done the last couple of months.

Speaker 4 (04:15:19):
Let's say this is Jessica. She says, I'm the wife
of Anthony and Seattle. I saw you guys read his
email on air, and.

Speaker 8 (04:15:25):
I thought it'd be fun if I could get my
email read too.

Speaker 4 (04:15:28):
So you just did good for you.

Speaker 1 (04:15:30):
J happy couple out in Seattle.

Speaker 8 (04:15:32):
Yeah, your husband's name Evan On the phone.

Speaker 4 (04:15:37):
On the phone, it's Spee and Fresno. What's up, Spee.

Speaker 24 (04:15:41):
Wow, you guys got me a little, a little deep
in the bottle, but it's all right. This is great, awesome.
I'm happy with the draft. I wanted to It was
a little bit too cerebral for the moment, but I
wanted to ask. So you know you're thinking that Will Campbell,

(04:16:03):
I guess you're saying that maybe he sets ab outside
it's noticeable, and then guys make a little moves inside so.

Speaker 16 (04:16:10):
They get around him.

Speaker 24 (04:16:12):
If I heard that right, So if if you're trying
to scheme for a player in the in the in
the first round like that, you're like you're asking coaches
to fix a player like that. Is there a downstream
effect of that? So you'd almost have to be able
to set it and forget it for a premier position
in the first round. But like, like if you start
to have to sort of scheme around somebody at that position,

(04:16:34):
is there a downstream effect where like now you have
you can't make as many adjustments for other guys at
you know, maybe on as inherently talented at lower positions.

Speaker 4 (04:16:43):
That make sense, Oh it does? I mean, listen, if
you have to, like yes, if you have to like
help out a tackle or any guy in the line
that's taking up a body, that's that's suggesting that's not
giving you as many options as you would have otherwise.
But hopefully even with you know, if that's true, it's
not every game against every player he comes up with.

(04:17:06):
There's just going to be certain players in this league
that I think unless you're you know, Jonathan Ogden, you're
gonna have trouble with and we you know, we mentioned
Matt Light. If you know Matt Light had trouble with
Jason Taylor, and I'm sure the Patriots at times had
to listen, he's getting killed. We got to help him
out here. You know, you can't just like be blind

(04:17:29):
to it. He's going to have trouble against certain guys,
you know, at least at first, there's you know, that's
just the way it is. And yes, there is a
trickle down. You're right, there is, And it's a sacrifice
that you make when you when you have to, you know,
set leave somebody in for max protect or whatever that
that limits your offense. It takes things away.

Speaker 8 (04:17:51):
Yeah, I mean I can.

Speaker 24 (04:17:52):
I guess the idea is that's like if it's a
first round pick, you'd hope that you wouldn't have to
make that many adjudgments.

Speaker 8 (04:17:57):
Yeah, no, you you hope that you don't have to.
You hope you don't have to, man Like, you hope
that you don't have to. But like if you do.
I'm the only reason why I brought it up is
because if you do, it's not impossible to do it.
That that's all. That's all I'm saying. I'm not hoping
that they're gonna have to do it, isntreams Well, I

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would say the biggest consequence.

Speaker 24 (04:18:21):
That at that point is does that mean like it
takes away.

Speaker 8 (04:18:24):
Yeah, let me answer your question, it does. I think
the biggest thing that you look at is that if
you're the tight end is chipping, then he's not releasing
into the pattern right or he's not releasing into the
pattern right away, so it's like a chip and release.
So basically you're you're running four guys into the pattern,
or you're running four and a half if you want
to call it that way, because once you chip and release,
you're probably only going to release the guy into the

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flat as kind of like a checkdown on the backside
type of thing, So you're you are taking a receiver
in theory out of the pattern. But that, like Fred said,
it doesn't have to be every single play and it
doesn't necessarily have to be at all. The point I
was just trying to make was that if it does
come to that, that I have faith in the coaching

(04:19:06):
staff that they have now in place, especially Josh, to
be able to do stuff like that like they used
to do in the past. I mean, there's a million
examples of them doing this in the past with Bill
where they faced a dominant edge rusher, and they just said,
you know, we're going to put two guys on this
guy and we're going to make sure that he doesn't
wreck the game. You know, It's it's just that's the
way it is. You know, some guys are just that great.

Speaker 13 (04:19:30):
And then let me ask you one more questions.

Speaker 24 (04:19:31):
So, like, given that we just drafted a center, right,
and so now we're talking about center a little bit.
Like so now we're talking about the left guard helping
the left tackle and those specific situations maybe like here
and there, but like what what if the center needs
them help? You know, what if like what what is
the left guard doing to like if the left tackle
is dragging the left guard out a little bit of

(04:19:55):
help or or the tight end or whatever in that situation,
does that create an imbalance?

Speaker 8 (04:19:59):
Now, like you're sure or under well, yeah, so, I
mean not to get too bogged down in all of it,
but you know, basically, most most standard pass protection systems
run a half slide protection, right, So you're gonna have
the center fan out with three guys to one side
and then you're gonna block man to man on the
other side. So in theory, you know, you can kind

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of bump over a gap right with every guy that's
in the slide side of the protection, so the center
can bump over, the guard can bump over, and then
the tackle can set out and bump over. So you
can go about it that way. And you know, maybe
in just saying if it has to come to that,
then like you have Mike on money and Morgan Moses

(04:20:42):
on the right side, who are two guys that are
veteran players that you feel pretty good about being one
on one and you trust those guys to win their blocks,
you know, and that's what it comes to. But like
I keep saying, I'm not saying that it's automatic that
that's gonna have to happen. I'm just saying, if it
does have to happen, it's not the end of the world.

Speaker 24 (04:21:00):
World and miss Dante, it would be good you get
to have that man here. But anyway, this is awesome.
Thank you so much, guys, awesome, awesome shows.

Speaker 9 (04:21:08):
Rock and roll.

Speaker 24 (04:21:09):
I love to pick rock and roll.

Speaker 4 (04:21:11):
Okay, thanks, thanks me.

Speaker 8 (04:21:14):
Some real balltop Thearris speed I like to no, I.

Speaker 4 (04:21:16):
Mean, listen, he's of course, when you have to adjust
for somebody not being able to go one on one
that takes away from something else. There is a trickle down,
and if.

Speaker 5 (04:21:26):
Every offensive lineman that they have needs help, then obviously.

Speaker 4 (04:21:29):
You need upgrades on your offensive right now.

Speaker 5 (04:21:31):
Yeah, I think that it was one of those things
that Evan sort of brought up last night that is
sort of mushroomed into something. I don't think you intended
ev correct that he's going to be a rookie who
might need some help with specific matchups. If we need
help on every play every game, then he ain't the

(04:21:52):
right guy, right, And I don't think that will be
the case. I don't think he'll need help all the time,
every game against every match out right. So I don't
think that you necessarily intended it that way.

Speaker 28 (04:22:03):
No.

Speaker 4 (04:22:03):
I mean, if he can come in, like, think of
it the other way. If he comes into this league
and he never needs help against anybody, we've just got
a Hall of Famer, Like, I don't think that's the
case either, you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 (04:22:15):
Yeah? Yeah, And Paul's right, Like, I didn't intend to
like alarm anybody that he was gonna constantly need help.
The only point I was making was that, you know,
kind of what Fred just said, is that a lot
of great tackles have needed help against great pass rushers.
You know, there's a lot of great pass rushers in
this league, and it's really a time right now where
there's particularly a lot of them, and sometimes everybody's gonna

(04:22:39):
need a little bit of help for the most part,
you know. I mean, Tristan Wharfs probably doesn't need any help.
But we're talking about the best left tackle in football
right And I don't know if Will Campbell will be
day one that he's not going to be the best
left tackle in football, But eventually, hopefully he gets to
the point where he is on an island a Tony
Lsu left him on an island a ton They left

(04:23:00):
him one on one on the backside all the time,
and he held up in the sec So hopefully that
skill translates. That's what we're all hoping for.

Speaker 4 (04:23:08):
One thing we know about him is whatever he needs
to do to get there, he's gonna be willing to
do it. He's he's gonna work hard, so and he's
gonna probably take the coaching really well. And I think
as compared to the last couple of years, I think
we've got some better coaching along the offensive line.

Speaker 8 (04:23:25):
Yeah, yeah, and I'm optimistic, and you know, I'm sure
that people that are way, you know, smarter about this
type of stuff than me, you know, Doug Maron and
Mike Rabel and those types of guys. I'm sure there
are ways that they can coach his technique and help
him protect the inside a little bit more consistently than
he did at LSU. That was just that was the

(04:23:46):
fatal flaw on tape with him.

Speaker 5 (04:23:47):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (04:23:48):
Ryan Counten, Okay, so let's go to Ryan there. He
is Ryan count and Vice president of player Personnel for
the New England Patriots. Hey, Ryan, thanks for joining us.
I know it's been a long night for you.

Speaker 22 (04:24:00):
Oh that's okay, it's great, appreciate you having me. It's
good to see you guys. And hello, I guess as
some of you haven't actually met in person yet with
everything going on.

Speaker 4 (04:24:08):
Yeah, so it's Mike do So, Evan Lazar, Paul Parolo, myself,
Fred Kersh. I'll just start it out. When the when
this night started out, did you know you were gonna
go all offense?

Speaker 22 (04:24:20):
I think I think that the great thing about the
draft is you can always have a plan, but ultimately
the draft creates situations where you have to react. I
don't think you ever go in saying, man, we're gonna
we're gonna hammer this out on one side of the
ball or the other.

Speaker 12 (04:24:34):
Uh.

Speaker 22 (04:24:35):
The key is following your board, trusting the board, and
leading yourself to the picks based off where you've evaluated players.
You never think, I'm gonna go heavy on this side.
So it just sometimes works out.

Speaker 4 (04:24:47):
Just turned out that way, yep.

Speaker 7 (04:24:49):
Yeah, Ryan One to actually just about this running back group.
We've been talking about them all spring. Everyone talked about
how there's gonna be good players from you know, top
of the draft with genty all the way into tomorrow.
How did you guys land on Hender and make him
your guy out of that big, you know, impressive group.

Speaker 22 (04:25:03):
Sure, it is an impressive group. And you know, I
think with Trevion, Trevion has been and a really explosive
player his whole career at Ohio State. I know there's
been times in his career where he's worked in tandem
with other backs, but I think one of the things
that jumps out is his ability to flip the field,
his ability to create explosives. You know, I think this
year he took a really a huge step in his

(04:25:26):
pass protection. You'll find some evidence of him on tape
not afraid to deliver a blow to play square. And
I think over his career he's grown as a player.
He's gone through some adversity in his life. He's dealt
with some stuff on the field off the field, just
that's hard calloused him. And I think this year he
was just a guy that he's a real matchup problem.

(04:25:48):
And I think when he's on the field, defensive have
to account for him.

Speaker 4 (04:25:51):
Right.

Speaker 5 (04:25:51):
The next pick you guys made was was Kyle Williams
the wide receiver. What specifically attracted you guys to him?
And what about his skill set did you guys like?

Speaker 10 (04:26:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (04:26:01):
So, I think when you take a look at Kyle
like there's an explosive, dynamic playmaker element to his game.
I think if you look over the last two years,
you know, he played with cam Ward last year after
transferring over from UNLV to Washington State and played with
Cam last year. I think Cam probably heavily tried to
recruit him to go to Miami as well, but you know,

(04:26:22):
Kyle stayed and this year he had a great year.
I think he ended up somewhere around close to twelve
hundred yards and fourteen touchdowns, And I think when you
watch what he does in the way he runs routes
and there's a suddenness to his game. And I think
as receivers one of the biggest things their job to
do is is we always say a couple of things right,
ones get open and the others catch it. And I think, Kyle,

(04:26:45):
when you look at the get open face, Kyle has
some unique skills physically to really create windows for the
quarterback to throw to him.

Speaker 5 (04:26:53):
Do you see a little versatility there in terms of
his alignment? Can he go inside outside maybe a little bit?
Or do you like him just as a slot No?

Speaker 22 (04:27:01):
You know, I think actually probably Kyle. You know, I
don't ever want to try to pigeonhole guys. I think
the biggest thing is playing receiver. And I know that
sounds like a very generic idea, but I think when
you say he's an inside guy, he's an outside guy. Well,
formations dictate a lot of different things, and sometimes outside guys,
you know, you go inside for a matchup or then
you get into saying what do you want certain plays

(04:27:22):
to look like? What are you going to ask from
those roles. I think Kyle does not his physical skills shit,
don't limit him to either inside outside any of that
stuff in my opinion.

Speaker 8 (04:27:32):
So, Ryan, what can you tell us about Jared Wilson?
And you know, with Garrett Bradberry obviously on the roster already,
how do you kind of envision that center position looking
right now?

Speaker 22 (04:27:44):
So it falls into jar jareds a young player, you know,
stepped in this year his first year to start in
the SEC.

Speaker 1 (04:27:51):
Had a good year obviously.

Speaker 22 (04:27:53):
You know, everybody can point to some of the testing athletically,
what's in his body, what he's capable of, and I
think he's a player that's it's just kind of scratching
the surface. Speaking to the guys on our team, you know,
we have a bunch of guys or a handful of
guys that you know will compete at that center position,
and I.

Speaker 2 (04:28:09):
Think Jared falls into that mix.

Speaker 22 (04:28:11):
I think anytime you're you're trying to do this in
the draft, you're all you're always trying to create competition,
and I think if we don't do that, then it's
a flow on our part to create as much competition
as possible across the board. And I think we just
see that there's a lot of upside to Jared's game.
We have some veteran guys that you know, we just
envisioned those guys competing, and as you guys know, with

(04:28:32):
coach ray Wood, I really think the way it should be,
competition across the board is what's going to bring out
the best of all of us, and I think he'll
just add to that room.

Speaker 8 (04:28:41):
Does he have it? Do you think he has any
flexibility to play some guard or do you guys see
him as a center only prospect?

Speaker 22 (04:28:47):
He has some experience playing guard. I think again that's
one of those kind of similar to the receiver part.
Anytime we, you know, try to take offensive lineman, you
would love the versatility, right. You don't want as many
guys being stuck in the one spot. Whether that's how
it factors into your game day stuff, how you can
manipulate stuff in practice, how you can work through injuries.
Jared has experienced playing guard, obviously started this year playing center,

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So I think we would look at both those things
and wind up doing ultimately what's.

Speaker 2 (04:29:14):
Best for the to get the best five.

Speaker 4 (04:29:16):
And his rotation how we see fit. All right, Well,
we'll let you get back to work. I know you've
got to restack the board, get ready for tomorrow. Tomorrow's
all defense, right, I'm only.

Speaker 22 (04:29:27):
Well, yeah, you want to just counter that by saying
defense right, right? You know it is, though, Tomorrow's exciting,
you know what. I think everybody does get caught up into,
you know, in the first round, and rightfully so, and
then tonight and I think, you know, fortunate for me.
I think this is my twenty sixth draft, and I
think the fun part is tomorrow. And not only is

(04:29:48):
it with the draft selections, it's it's what happens after
the draft. There's an organic part discounting that happens after
the draft, and there's a lot of work by our staff.
I've been impressed with with the college staff pro staff
over my couple of months here, the time they put in,
and just really excited to see them kind of go
to work tomorrow through the post draft and that's where you.

Speaker 4 (04:30:08):
Can make a difference.

Speaker 22 (04:30:09):
And I'm excited to be able to do that tomorrow
with this group.

Speaker 4 (04:30:12):
Well, Ryan, thank you so much for joining us.

Speaker 5 (04:30:14):
Thank you guys.

Speaker 4 (04:30:15):
Have a great night, Okayry Ryan Counton, Vice President of
Player Personnel for the twenty.

Speaker 1 (04:30:21):
Sixth draft too.

Speaker 8 (04:30:22):
Yeah, well you're just like Ryan Cowton.

Speaker 5 (04:30:24):
I don't look as young as he does. That I'll
tell you that.

Speaker 4 (04:30:27):
Well, he was three years old start at the Herald.

Speaker 5 (04:30:30):
You know, I didn't count those drafts. Okay, yeah, that
would be like thirty six drafts if I counted the Herald.

Speaker 4 (04:30:35):
I'm just saying that, you know, your career at the
Herald preceded all this.

Speaker 5 (04:30:38):
Yeah right, yeah, yeah, So.

Speaker 4 (04:30:41):
Okay, So that was good to hear from him.

Speaker 8 (04:30:43):
Yeah, yeah, I've I've been impressed with him. You know,
I got to talk to him at the Senior Bowl
for the first time, and I think him and Elliott
Wolfer both kind of cut from the same cloth as
like true scouts like him talking about undrafted free agency
is his favorite part, right, Like that that that's a
true scout, Like these guys like that element of it,
I think more than anything of just going on the

(04:31:04):
road and scouting players and stacking boards and you know,
finding those hidden gems. So it's cool to hear hear
what he has to say about that element of it.

Speaker 4 (04:31:14):
All right, So the Patriots book had it's late. The
Patriots ended up with three players tonight. They got a
running back, they got a wide receiver, and they got
a center. Tomorrow is the rest of the draft rounds four, five, six,
and seven. We will be on at noon tomorrow for
at least a couple hours. These guys eventually have to

(04:31:35):
do some other work, you know, start writing about these
guys sleep. Yeah, yeah, but we will be back at noon.
Thank you for watching and listening tonight. We really enjoyed it.
I hope you did too. See you tomorrow. Hey, this
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