Patriots Unfiltered 4/26: Day Three of 2025 NFL Draft Coverage

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Speaker 3 (00:20):
I really like this pick a lot pretty and you're
not going to make me like you're not putting me
in a corner because you always tried to start at
the beginning of this show telling me I didn't like
the Will Campbell pick, which I did. So the only
drawback here is a difficult first name to type. It's
not that it's not that bad. Thanks.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
I definitely need more frothing at the mouth counter arguments
from the former fastest man in town.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
I just want to state it for the record. Now
I'm getting made fun of for not arguing enough.

Speaker 5 (00:47):
Right and also for being skinny.

Speaker 6 (00:49):
Paul.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
I don't mind the skinny. I was called a baby,
I was told to take my ball you go home
if I read it, and once again I was writing
I'm so tired of being right.

Speaker 7 (00:59):
Yeah, I'm tired of it too. Because the Patriots have
a four and twelve.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
You wanted to get rid of Tom Brady, all right.

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Speaker 4 (01:33):
Welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is day three of the
NFL Draft. It is Deuce, Evan, Paul, myself. We're gonna
be here for a couple hours today. Patriots have the
fourth pick in this current round, the fourth round, so
we're going to be right at it. I think the
reviews are in, and I'll speak for myself. I thought

(01:55):
they had a good day yesterday.

Speaker 7 (01:56):
Heck yeah, yeah I did too.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
I mean, I think the reviews in general are overwhelming,
really positive.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:01):
It's my favorite part of the draft is when you're
here are your four guys now you can really dig
in on them.

Speaker 7 (02:06):
Watching some of them last night.

Speaker 8 (02:08):
Henderson Man, he's just I think, lean mean, big play machine,
that guy. I mean, what a fun player to watch.
I also love that he wore thirty two. It's just
like a running it's a real running back. Number thirty
two is available. Movie and talk to d Mac.

Speaker 7 (02:20):
And see if he'd be okay with that.

Speaker 8 (02:21):
But I'd love to see bring thirty two back at
It'll get it on a running back. But and I
just say two on Wilson, who I didn't.

Speaker 7 (02:26):
Really watch a lot of.

Speaker 8 (02:27):
I mean, he's a center, but what a big dude,
big athletic dude. Really liked the promise of him. That's
always been a spot. You know, David Anders are really good,
but you know, he always felt a little bit undersized.
And I mean just the combination of athleticism and size.
I mean he looks a little bit like on when
you like it's just got that square build. So he's
a really promising guy, really interesting, And we talked so

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much about the offensive line.

Speaker 7 (02:50):
Just have some promise there in the middle. It's it's encourable, it.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Seems right now, all of a sudden, there's some depth there. Yeah,
the offensive line something to play with. Yeah, there's something
to play with here. And hopefully they saw it out
quickly so we can get those best five on the
field together as much as possible, so when September comes around,
they're playing as a unit.

Speaker 7 (03:07):
Yeah, yeah, that's the plan.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
Yeah. I'm intrigued by the fact that they feel like
Wilson can at least compete potentially at guard I think
he's a center probably long term. That's what Elliot Wolf
said last night, was that they see his long term
future most likely at center, but if he can play
guard then great. You know, that's great flexibility. And you
mentioned that he was kind of Georgia's sixth offensive lineman

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two years ago. Last year he started. In the year
before that, he was their top backup on the interior,
so he did practice at all three spots on the inside.
So maybe there's a little bit more flexibility there than
I initially thought. But I think in general with the draft,
you just really like how they've played the board. I
think they've had a much better feel for the board
this year than they did last year. And I think

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it all kind of starts with the fact that they
took Will Campbell at the top allowed them to not
reach at it on a tackle on Day two, so
they were kind of chasing their tail at that position
for the rest of the draft. So we get to
the point now where you know, some people might have
been a little bit surprised about taking a running back
that early, but he was the best player on the board,

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so they just took the running back. You know, they
wanted to take a running back at some point, and
they made the pick there and took the running back
over a wide receiver because the rest of the wide
receivers didn't really go until the third round, so you
would have been at that point, you know, drafting a
little bit, you know, overdrafting at that position. So I
just really like how it feels like they have a
much better feel for the board and aren't reaching on

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any of these picks and have been pretty good about that.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
And that was a phrase that i'd heard a lot
late last night on the ride home before the local
show has sort of ended and the national guys came in,
and then I heard it again this morning, you know,
people talking about staying true to the board, whereas that
they felt like last year they were a little bit scattered.
So I do think that, and it's kind of funny.
I felt like this year might have been a little

(04:59):
bit more difficul called to stay to Who's board, because
I think the board's probably varied greatly because of the
stuff that we've been talking about the whole draft process.
But I do feel like the guys they took were
in rounds that most people thought they would go.

Speaker 7 (05:13):
Yeah, absolutely, and you like.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
When you hear things about other teams being interested in
the players that you're interested in, you know, And I
know that that sounds funny, Like what do you care?
You should have strengthen your convictions. But isn't it you know,
would you rather have Sean McVay And let's need laughing
about Cole Strange or talking about how much they like
Trevon Henderson too. I'll take the ladder, you know. I

(05:36):
like when guys sort of feel, oh, they got a
good one. We wanted him, we missed out on him.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
And you know, like we always talk about Bill and
how the quirkiness of his drafts usually came because he
wanted to do somebody a favor, Like I like this
coach and I'm going to do his program a favor
by you know, picking somebody from his school or you know,
something like that program. And you know, here Rabel went

(06:03):
to Ohio State. So if you're gonna do favors, let's
do it to like one of the bigger schools that
have like the most talent, you suckers, right, So I
kind of like that.

Speaker 7 (06:13):
It was it was a funny. I was thinking about
the same thing last night.

Speaker 8 (06:15):
Fred was with Bill's drafts, like he had so much
success that you had no choice but to kind of
acquiesce and say, well, yeah, you must see something. And
you know, as we got near the end, more and
more you said, well, geez, I'm not trusting these as
much as I used to.

Speaker 7 (06:31):
Now with this draft, it's easy just to go home
and be like, yeah, this just makes total sense. Like
this is what we've.

Speaker 8 (06:36):
Talked about for three months of what we want to
see them add, what we think that they need. They
see it similarly, the expulsiveness at running back, the explosiveness
at receiver, adding depth along the line.

Speaker 7 (06:46):
Uh, those are the big positions we've been talking about.
It just you know, that's it sounds weird to say,
but it just makes sense.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:52):
Yeah. We had a caller, Robin called in and said,
you know, it was very animated about watting game breakers,
and yesterday they went out and they added two potential
game breakers with Williams and Trayvon Henderson. So if that
was what you were clamoring for you you wanted speed,
you wanted big playability. I mean, we'll see if they
pan out, but you have a four to four receiver

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and a four to four to one running back. I
think that they got some speed on the field.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
And I know he shouldn't need motivation, but doesn't this
like really motivate your young quarterback to see what they're
doing in this draft? It's like, Okay, I got to tackle,
I got a dynamic running back and a wide receiver.
We already signed Stefan Diggs. Let's go, you know, let's
get out there. I want to be out on the
field today.

Speaker 8 (07:36):
I mean, you know, I think it's the same thing. I mean,
and maybe even a tight end in the mix too.
It seems there's you know, a number of names that
could possibly make sense here on Day three, So I
don't even know if they're if they're done. I know
Elliot Wolf commented that they're going to go to defense.
I think the way he put it was, there are
some spots we feel like we need to shore up,
which is you know how I feel too.

Speaker 7 (07:54):
Uh, we'll see what they do here at the top
of the fourth.

Speaker 8 (07:56):
But as I went back and kind of looked through
some of the prospects and haven't brought up Kyle Canard,
who we talked about a little bit going up up
against Will Campbell.

Speaker 7 (08:03):
Given Will Campbell some problems.

Speaker 8 (08:04):
Uh, you know, guy, there are there are some guys
out there on the edge that that still intrigued me.

Speaker 7 (08:08):
So I'm not quite not that I haven't given up.
I haven't given I haven't given up.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
That will be somebody that's gonna come at you with that.

Speaker 8 (08:14):
Well, I just I'd like to have somebody that i'm
I'm familiar with and a little bit excited. But as
you get further down the board, it's more and more like, oh.

Speaker 7 (08:21):
I missed this guy, or you know, this guy fell
through the cracks.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
I'm surprised to hear you talking about tight end off
the top before before the edge guys.

Speaker 7 (08:28):
Oh sorry, I'm trying to you know, I don't want
you guys are yellowing me.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Elliott talked about, you know, evandon yell Elliott talked about,
you know the fact that with the trade downs, they've
got some extra picks in the fifth round, which might
allow them to make a move if they see fifth
So you know, we could see them going back into
the fourth round using up a couple of those fifth
picks or whatever if they see a guy you know

(08:54):
that you.

Speaker 7 (08:54):
Like, yeah, hopefully highlight.

Speaker 8 (08:56):
But they also have no picks in the sixth round.
So it's the doughnut. I mean, that's a big, big
way to go.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
See.

Speaker 8 (09:02):
Yeah, so they're they're picking fourth in the fourth, then
they're picking sixth, eighth and thirty fifth in the fifth.
No picks in the sixth and then fourth and twenty
second right now in the seventh.

Speaker 7 (09:11):
Uh So you know there is there is a hole.

Speaker 8 (09:12):
I could see maybe a trade down where they you know,
try to maybe package some picks and fill that gap.
But there's still you know, promising players to be had today,
not necessarily players that you're going to say, these guys
are going to come in And actually, this is a
question I was thinking of for Elliott last night, would
have just been do you still feel there are players
on the board that can compete for starting jobs? Like

(09:33):
you said, these top four picks that you've made can
all come in and compete for starting jobs. I think
that'd be an interesting question just to hear his perspective
as we get into the fourth round. Are there still
competitive guys that you feel like, can you know, play
with the guys.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
That Dyke went to the Tennessee Titans Decay? Yeah, Okay, sorry, no,
that's Okay, I just trying to have a little accent
over the East saying that word DK. Yea, so he
went to the Titans wide receiver out of Florida.

Speaker 5 (10:05):
That was one of your guys, Fred back of the
envelope guy, I believe. So I'm pretty sure I don't
have my I mean, I remember, I remember you may
say the name the way you said it once before.
So I yeah, explosive player, really four to three speed, good,
good athlete. I thought I thought he kind of that

(10:28):
was late to him. I was impressed by what I saw,
but you know, just kind of a one trick pony.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
He wasn't one of my guys.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
I thought I couldn't sworn we talked about him.

Speaker 8 (10:36):
We might have talked about I mentioned Hi because we
had to correct him too talented.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, I had, oh I see he's yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
So I had Tory Horton, uh, Lambert Smith, ty Felton,
Nick Nash who still there's still home, Thornton Junior and
Isaiah and those guys.

Speaker 5 (10:56):
Yeah, uh yeah, I was kind of interested in DK
if they decided to to not take a receiver on
day two, you know, as in this range, you know,
maybe a little earlier than I expected, but a fourth
fifth round flyer on just some upside and some tools
and speed.

Speaker 8 (11:12):
It would have been fun with Eldrick because we've been like, hey,
they got DK.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
They got the fastest, one of the faster guts in
the draft.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't get that at first. I'm
already out.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
I do think there's some edges for you dudes that
that could that can contribute, yeah, and that can play.
I think that that spot we all knew it was deep,
and we all knew that there would be guys early
on Day three that would still be able to come
in and contribute. Obviously, Jack Sawyer is still out there,
which is probably the biggest Rabel connection ever in this draft.
And uh, you know, I really liked Kyle Canard. I

(11:47):
thought Kyle Canard was a was an easy top one
hundred guy in this draft. You know, great college production,
uh really well schooled pass rusher, good length, good ability
to win in the run and the pass game, good
stings could you knows for the football. So I'm really
hoping that one of six is an edge pick. I
really think that you know that that kind of puts

(12:08):
a bow on the draft. To me, is if you know,
they're able to take one of those edge guys.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
I missed some of the picks, you know, crossing them
off my list as the as the night went on
last night, is the L s U kid the edge
guy that you I think since he did get save.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
On Jones, there's two of them.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
You're talking about Swinton, Yeah, and you were talking about
him a little bit.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
Yeah he's still there.

Speaker 7 (12:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
I mean I get intrigued by the schools too. You know,
I'm not going to pretend to know a lot about
these different guys at this stage, but I remember that
name from when Evan was talking about him last night,
and yeah, the L s U.

Speaker 8 (12:43):
I like the other one, Savian Jones and I last
night as I was regrouping, and then I didn't realize
the same thing. I didn't realize he had gone to
k C. But he would have been one of those
guys I figure right here as what we're coming up on.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
Yeah, is the Michigan kids still there now?

Speaker 5 (12:58):
Okay, So the the Jaguar took Bishal touton to running
back from Virginia Tech, who is one of the more
fun studies of this running back class in my opinion,
just absolutely dynamic mover, great speed, you know, four to
three level speed and a home run hitter. He can
catch the ball a little bit out of the backfield.
You know, we talked about stacking the speedbacks in this class.

(13:21):
You know, Treyvon Henderson was certainly at the top of
the list, but guys like Tuton, Dylan Samson, R. J.
Harvey from UCF, you know, Bishard Smith maybe a little
bit later, like those were the guys that that we
were talking about in that mold, and the Patriots took
took the top one, they took Henderson button. I'm sure
if they hadn't taken Henderson when they took him, then

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Teuton was probably on the board at this range for them.

Speaker 7 (13:44):
A good question for you guys.

Speaker 8 (13:45):
Just going through Elliot Wolf's press conference, he said there
was a little bit of debate on the pick that
ended up being Henderson. Were you know, speculating and they
said though it was good, there was some disagreement and
they had some back and forth. I thought that was interesting.
We were kind of speculating who it might have been.
I think we thought maybe Jaden Higgins could have been
the player that they were also considering at that spot.
But now it seems like they're all you know, smooth operation.

(14:08):
They're all getting to know each other. But I thought
that was interesting that they were, you know, kind of
sharing that that it isn't all sunshine and.

Speaker 7 (14:14):
Rainbows and yeah, that's what we agree. You know, there
has to.

Speaker 8 (14:17):
Be some you know, give and take. So I think
they're all getting to know each other. I mean, even
with Ryan Cowden or Assus Elliott, you know, thanking all
the how hard it is for that coaching staff to
come in and they've got a new scouting staff and
you've got to get everybody up to speed. So I
think it's it's probably been a little bit of a
challenge for them getting everybody on the same page.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
The other story, I'm sure we'll talk about probably after
the Patriots pick, because there's gonna be a big gap.
Is this shedor Sanders thing. I mean, he's still on
the board, We're now into the fourth round. There's all
kinds of speculation as to why, and it is kind
of a head scratcher, it really is. I mean, how

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can so many people have thought that at least he
was second round talent, at least, you know, thinking he
can play in this league. And yet he hasn't been
picked yet. And the only thing I can come up
with is just the baggage is not worth the talent.
But you know, a lot of people are saying that

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an established program like the Rams or the Steelers should
be able to absorb a guy like that until you
know he is in fact ready to play and keep
down the distraction. But the teams that you know, really
really need a quarterback are passing him up.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
That's why I brought Pittsburgh up last night for that reason.
They do need a quarterback, and I feel Tomlin is
strong enough. Yeah he's not. I don't think that Tomlin
would say I'm not taking him because I worried about
the bag. I mean, it's the guy who had Antonio Brown.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
For Yeah, maybe he's done with all that I'm not
going through.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
That could be. Maybe he's you know what Bill used
to say, that it's toward the end of his tenure.
I want to cover I want to coach guys. I like,
you know, maybe he doesn't want to deal with those
kinds of headaches anymore, but I don't. I don't feel
Sanders is that kind of a problem, you know, like
in air quotes problem you know, he's not been in
any kind of legal trouble. He's not you know, he's

(16:13):
he's committed football player. Stataboo Giants and all that stuff.
You know they're going to take a running back now, Patriots.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
I don't care what he is. I want him on
my team. I just want him as my mascot.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Okay, no, I just I mean, I just thought it
would be very unlikely that Patriots would take You have
to take in travy On Henderson. Well, you don't think
that kind of gets.

Speaker 7 (16:33):
Scat special guy, special player.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Uh, he's breaking tackles in his.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
I think the Giants just won the NFC.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
I like I do. I so badly want to make
fun of Fred right now, but I'm kind of with
him on this guy. I think he's he's a really
good football player. I don't know how long he's going
to be in the NFL playing. Watch some of these runs.
You won't see him like all of these highlights that
they show, Like the Virginia Tech guy they just showed,
he's like one cut into space. Gone, Yeah, doesn't do that.

(17:03):
It's it's one cut.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Let me see if I could find another guy to hit,
he'd be like you know in the locker room having
those slap fights, you know, like boo, you slap the
guy and.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Oh my god, yeah, I like scataboo. I think he's
probably gonna be in the league for about three years.
He's gonna be broken down.

Speaker 8 (17:20):
But you know, just real quick one back to Shu
or Like it almost feels like performative for the media
with some of these like outraged takes, and I just
can't help but wonder if it's making them look bad
because they spend so much time hyping him up, hyping
his potential.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
I totally think that, like he didn't go in the
first round because the thirty two teams that picked didn't
think he was good enough. To the fact that he
hasn't gone since, you can make an argument is about
more than that. Like I'll listen to that, but don't
tell me that no one took him in the first
round because of Dione Sanders. I don't believe that if
he was good enough to go in the first round,

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someone would have taken him. Well, there were three or
four teams that needed a quarterable, it would think. But
now you can make an argument that I mean Dylan Gabriel,
but you know and and he's not going to go. Now,
you can make an argument that it's about.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
But there were enough ballnoers who said he was the
first round talent to say what's going on here?

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Like, but who were the ball knowers that were saying
it because the teams didn't What do you mean the
team said he's not going.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
No, No, I'm not talking about I'm talking about like.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Mel Kiper did. Yeah, yeah, he was out of his mind.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
I'm talking about the draft analysts.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah I think they were wrong.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
Yeah, but like how how are they so wrong?

Speaker 3 (18:32):
I don't know. Like Dame Brugal had him in the
second round, he wasn't wrong.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
Yeah, well he was so far.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
But I again, he wasn't a first round talent.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
The rest of this could be about you know, it's
just like Mike Green. Well do you think he was
Green's first round talent but in the second.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
Round he had something going on?

Speaker 10 (18:50):
No?

Speaker 4 (18:50):
I know, yeah, but so do you think it was
just like the name Sanders actually helped him? You know,
like right now it's hurting him, we say, but could
it have also helped him to be he thought of
as a first round talent?

Speaker 3 (19:02):
That's the thing that I was joking about last night.
There is a lot of people passionately saying that no
one would be talking about this drop if it wasn't
for his last name, and a lot of people would
say he wouldn't have dropped like this if it wasn't
for his last name.

Speaker 11 (19:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
I don't know who's right, but both of them are
arguing strongly on both sides.

Speaker 8 (19:19):
A lot of relationships to be managed, a lot of
relationships good way with crime as well.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
And I do feel like that's part of this. I
think that people that are strongly in the He's getting
screwed camp or carrying favor with Dion.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
So the Patriots pick is in, it is Yeah, yeah,
it's it's I think it's a safe pick.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Okay, yeah, this is not a head scratch.

Speaker 8 (19:45):
I'd say this is the first pick that I have
been a little bit interesting, makes you think.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
A little bit sounds like yeah, this is uh so
the pick is in. It's Craig Woodson, safety from California.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
Yeah, yeah, so a true free safety. And I think
that that's something that we talked about that you know,
is a potential need for this team somebody that can
play at the top of the defense in center field.
I think he's probably at his best playing in more
split safety coverage or rotating down in that robber role

(20:17):
or into that you know, short zone distribution. But I
definitely think he can play up top and play the
deep role as well. And I'm sure they feel that
way too. You know, we've talked numerous times about them
needing like a Deron Harmon type of safety that you
can let Kyle Dugger and Jabriel Peppers play closer to
the line of scrimmage, play in the box, especially on
third down and obvious passing situations. I feel pretty good

(20:41):
about Woodson potentially competing for that sort of third safety role.
I don't know if he's going to be a starter
in the NFL, you know, long term, but as a
depth safety, somebody that can rotate in on third down
passing situations, play center field. I think that he can
do those types of things. And they obviously felt like
this was a need. It seems like they felt like

(21:03):
safety was definitely on the radar for this draft.

Speaker 8 (21:07):
Yeah, well, Marcus EPs, you brought back Jalen Hawkins as well. Yeh,
I said earlier in the show. Do you still feel
like there are guys who compete for starting roles. I
don't know if I qualify this. I think have you
put it pretty well that he'll compete to be a
rotational piece. But I do think that the signals are
pointing towards we need another option. We don't want to

(21:27):
play Dugger and Pepper's together, you know. I think that's
what we all kind of acknowledge that those two guys
are going to be at their best when they're free
to move around make plays on the second level instead
of you know, like what darn Harmon did so well,
but that's a very specific kind of job. So maybe
if if he's able to do that and be that
third safety on you know, third downs end of games
when you're trying to play.

Speaker 7 (21:46):
A lot of coverage on the back end, and it
could fills a need.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
Yeah, six foot around two hundred pounds ran a four
four five, so decent speed for safety.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
So yeah, yeah, I would also mention, you know that
there's there's maybe potentially a little bit of nickel corner
flex here. I think he could probably do that as
well and play over the slot if they wanted him to.
So there's some flexibility with him as a player I
would say, just to full disclosure, I had him as

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much further down, and so did the Beast, you know,
had a sixth round grade on him. Dame Breuler had
the same. So I'm a little surprised. It's a little
earlier than I expected him to go. But I think
we're at the point of the draft now where a
lot of it is just fit and scheme and culture
and character and all that kind of stuff. So where
you see guys on day three, maybe.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
This is where you'll see that stuff that I was
talking about earlier about, you know, the the eye of
the beholder. Yeah, you know, there's going to be some
probably variations.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
Any any col connections in our draft room, not that
I know of, No, No, all right, all right. Jack Kaiser,
linebacker from Notre Dame, went to the Jacksonville Jaguars. So
you know, barring a trade, we're we're not up until
the fifth round. But like Wolf said, they do have

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now some amo to go back up into the fourth
if they see somebody.

Speaker 7 (23:14):
Yeah, stay ready, stay.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Ready, keep an eye open. Yeah, it's we two picks
that are quick, right.

Speaker 7 (23:20):
Yeah, fourth, sixth and eighth pick in the fifth round.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
But you got probably about thirty plus picks to get through.

Speaker 7 (23:26):
I think there's thirty six picks.

Speaker 8 (23:28):
I believe in this in this fourth round, maybe thirty
nine actually, So yeah, this is this is what.

Speaker 7 (23:36):
Watching that ticker waiting for any to paba.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
So we have a lot of emails coming in. And
by the way, last night again was huge numbers.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
And for the show, the listeners really bringing it too,
like so a lot of good calls, a lot of
good emails, and.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
We get criticized sometimes for the callers. Uh and you
know sometimes it's the same people and I get it,
but I think of them credit for I think there
was a lot of energy last night, a lot of takes,
not saying they were all good, but a lot of takes.
So keep it up. Let's go. Also, podcast at pages

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dot com is the way to email the show. We
got a ton of emails coming in. Jared Wright said,
I absolutely love the Henderson pick. I can't help but
think back to James White McDaniel's offense, not saying Trey
will be James White, but can definitely see him being
used the same way. Yeah, we see him as a
you know, a third down back as well, passing back,
helping out in the passing game.

Speaker 7 (24:31):
Yea.

Speaker 8 (24:32):
Elliott said they kind of view all those guys as
three down backs, and I think we talked about it
last night when they made the selection that in recent
years they had gotten away from that. It hadn't been
the pure early down, third down kind of split between
the running backs. I think that's what they're trying to
stick with. I think they like all those guys to
be able to play on all three downs. And I'm

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wondering if that's part of what Josh McDaniels and I
don't want to say it's him evolving, because for all
we know, it might have been how Bill wanted to
play things, you know, and he was here before. But
I do wonder a little bit if it's maybe Josh saying,
you know, we got to get away from so much
specialization in the backfield. We need guys that are threats
to catch the ball or run the ball and make
and make plays. I do like though, I think as

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Evan said, you know, they do compliment each other pretty
well with ramondre his hard running style, but I just
the way ramondre plays it just doesn't serve to run
him into the ground. He's gonna get hit a lot.
He's gonna break tackles. So I just think Henderson's in
a nice would you say, thunder and lightning kind of
kind of.

Speaker 12 (25:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (25:30):
Yeah, I love James White. Everybody here loves James White.
I think Travon Henderson has got the potential to be
a much more well rounded player than James White was.
Like James White was a true third down running back,
you know, past catching back, receiving back, third down running back.
I think Travon Henderson's got a little bit more of
a complete skill set.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
I would oh, poor, poor, poor biggie.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
Oh Dante Thornton.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Dante Thornton just went to the big Shock the Raiders. Yeah,
but I would just say I agree with you one
thousand percent on James White, the New England Patriot. James
White coming out of Wisconsin was more than just a
third down pass catching back. So we'll see what Henderson
ends up being. Yeah, I think Henderson's probably resume at

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Ohio State is more impressive than White's at Wisconsin. But
White was more than a third down back of Wisconsin.
And that's a team that you know, right, they kind
of played old time Big ten football, and he was
between the tackles option there as well.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
Yeah, I just I think that, you know, James White,
just from what he was with the Patriots, was that
of a specialized player.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Definitely.

Speaker 5 (26:40):
I think this guy Henderson has the ability to do
a lot more.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Me too. But if you would ask me, and I
do remember when when James White came out, I remember
doing his profile, I wouldn't have said that that's what
he'll he'll be strictly this third down matchup guy. I
wouldn't have thought that that's all he would be. I
thought he would be more of a change of pace
running back, yeah than he was.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. That's how
I see Henderson as a true change of pace back. So,
you know, certain game plans, certain game situations, certain packages,
even you know, eleven personnel packages, spread the field type
of offense like that, they're gonna have him be the
feature guy. You know, he'll be the number one running
back in that type of vein. So I see him

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much more as like a one B to Remondre Stevenson
than just a third down running back.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Like, just as a point of comparison, James White his
last year at Wisconsin at two hundred and twenty one
carries for fourteen and forty four yards and thirteen touchdowns.
That like, so what he was as a Patriot wasn't
what he was coming up. I mean he also at
thirty nine catches, so he obviously had that ability. But
James White was a big time player at Wisconsin.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
Yeah, the pills have traded up into one oh nine,
So it's always interesting to see what our AFC East
rivals take.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Maybe they take Sudoy Sanders good. Uh no, I mean,
like Fred brought up, like the teams like those are
the Philadelphia Kansas City, Yeah, Pitch, those are the teams
that are strong enough that we can take him. He's
not gonna play No one's gonna say he needs to
play over Josh Allen. We can just be patient with him.

(28:22):
I mean, I'm not expecting that. I'm just saying those
are the kinds of teams that could take Shedoys Sanders.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
But you know, listen, you guys say, well, he's not
going to play with Josh Allen, right, but you put
him in your system. He's a good citizen for a
year and now other teams warm up to him.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Maybe you can second.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
Third round pick for him or second, you know, or first.

Speaker 8 (28:43):
I just say on on Buffalo's draft looking through them
right now, I mean Walter Nolan, Will Johnson, and Jordan
Burch all defensive picks thus far for the Bills.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
So there it made sense. Their defense has evan't put
it out Thursday night. Their defense has taken some steps back,
and it's.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Notable to know that they just over the Jets.

Speaker 7 (28:59):
Some of the Bills.

Speaker 5 (29:00):
No, that's their Arizona.

Speaker 7 (29:01):
Oh shoot, sorry, I apologize.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
Yeah, well well Johnson, I know, went to Arizona.

Speaker 7 (29:06):
Yeah, yeah, you're right. Sorry.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
They took the Kentucky quarterback.

Speaker 8 (29:11):
Kirston Sanders, Lana Jackson. Yeah, it's still the same point though,
all all it all defensive players Lana Jackson, big big dude,
like jumped out of the RCA dome.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
There.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
They are crazy Buffaloes. They are they are.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
It is funny though, Another big, big defensive player, Dion Walker.
Oh yeah, Deon Walker is a weird player though, because
he's like three hundred and fifty three hundred and sixty pounds,
but he plays he plays end like he's.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
That's a great clip right there. They just showed up.
He just likes it. Get out of my way.

Speaker 5 (29:44):
He's just oh yeah, no, he's he's a man amongst
boys in that respect. But he plays better I would
say at defensive end. Then he does a nose tackle
because of his pad level, he gets really high up
and pops straight up out of his stands. So he's
not the best at leveraging box in the run game,
even at his size. So he's actually better, uh, you know,
rushing the passer and playing a little bit in space,

(30:07):
which is interesting.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
That's interesting they took two defensive tackles that are very
very different. Yeah, because you said Sanders if all the
kind of athletic interior guy, and this guy is just
huge monster.

Speaker 5 (30:19):
Yeah, Dion Walker. I think a lot of coming into
this process. He's probably rated a lot higher on a
lot of people's boards, but he's really fallen down because
of you know, really digging into the tape and pad level,
leverage concerns, motor concerns at that size, like things like that.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
What's interesting they hopped over the Jets, So I'm wondering
if the Jets were they got win that the Jets
might have been interested in this guy. Jets, Jets are
on the clock.

Speaker 7 (30:46):
Yeah, certainly a traits kind of.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
I am a little surprised that, I mean, not surprised
with all the defensive picks, but just that they hadn't
targeted at least one sort of weapon on offense, because
I do think they were kind of a weapon away
last year offense. Then they had a good offense, and
they don't get me wrong, I mean, but they just
relied so much on Allen.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Eight five five past five hundred is the hotline. Let's
go to Nate in Connecticut. What's up Nate?

Speaker 12 (31:13):
Hey, guys, can you guys hear me?

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Yep?

Speaker 13 (31:16):
I just had a couple of quick thoughts.

Speaker 12 (31:19):
I remember I called it.

Speaker 13 (31:20):
Probably about like a month or two ago, saying that
any of you were opposed to take a running back?
And I remember Fred said yeah later in the draft.
And I was watching the draft yesterday and I didn't
really expect to take them a running back in the
second round. But this dude seems like pretty legit. And

(31:41):
my question to you guys is do you think that
there's going to be a big competition between Stevenston and
Henderson or do you think the workload will be sort
of even fifty fifty?

Speaker 12 (31:54):
Thank you guys.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
Yeah, so how are they going to use these guys.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
Yeah, I don't of competitions necessarily the right word, because
I think they're so complimentary that they're each going to
have their roles and their situations that they're going to
be playing in game to game, So they're gonna just
kind of be a duo or tandem. You know, I
don't know if it's going to be necessarily you know,
deeper than that, right, like in terms of competition. So

(32:20):
you know, I've made the comparison to you know, you're
trying to it's obviously a ceiling of what it could
potentially be. But you know, David Montgomery and Jamier Gibbs
and Detroit like, those two guys both have roles, they
both have, you know, what they do best, and they
use them in that spot. You know. The Jets kind
of have like a watered down version of it with
bres Hall and Braylen Allen like that. That sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Absolutely, just real quick on the previous pick that the
Patriots made Craig Woodson, I just saw raw buddy Bryan
Hines put a tweet out with a quote from Daniel
Jeremiah who talked about I guess he was on move
the sticks. Somewhere in the pre draft process, he says

(33:02):
this of Craig woods and he's one of those guys
where I don't kind of know what I'm missing, Like
he's got enough size, he takes the ball away. He
ran in the mid four fours. I talked to the
guys at CAL, like he's a super smart, great leader.
Cal's been a sneaky good secondary factory over the years.
He's one I think to me, I haven't liked the
early third early mid third round. And maybe he goes

(33:22):
in like the fifth round, but when all was said
and done, I think you'll look up and he'll be
starting next year. So like that, Daniel Jeremiah is pretty
high on Craig Woodson. He goes in the fourth round,
and you know he liked him. Maybe in the middle
of the third he thought that maybe he projected to
the fifth maybe a little bit later, but he thought
he was one of the better late round players on

(33:42):
his board. I mean maybe, and Daniel Jeremiah is pretty good.

Speaker 8 (33:45):
Yeah, maybe this will end up being kind of a
barometer pick because the previous four picks, I think we
all kind of felt like this is best player available.

Speaker 7 (33:53):
This makes sense.

Speaker 8 (33:54):
You know, maybe this is the player that we're going
to look back and said, wow, they kind of found
a gem that was off the beaten path a little bit.

Speaker 7 (34:00):
It not too much.

Speaker 8 (34:01):
I mean we all acknowledged the need for a free
safety type, but still I think that's where you give
guys more credit, players like this who aren't. I mean,
everybody you know knows exactly what the players.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Thanks for Buddy Bryan Hines for yeah, putting that out
on Twitter.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
You do. Also you wonder what it means for both
Kyle Dugger and Jabriel Peppers, and they've been really big
on competition in all areas of the roster, and Dugger's
coming off a really down year, coming off an injury.
I didn't get what you were expecting out of him.
And then obviously with Peppers, with what went on off
the field, I don't think that those two guys are

(34:37):
as certain as maybe we thought they were this time
last year. So yeah, if you're surprised that they added
a safety, I think that it comes down to that.
You know, they didn't get the production out of those
two players that they were expecting, so you have to
add competition. I think it's similar as running back where
ramondro Stevenson did not have the year that they were
expecting him to have last year, so they drafted running

(34:59):
back high and in some competition.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
Mike's in Puerto Rico. Hey, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike's not there.
Let's go to Boston Cream. Hey, Boston Cream.

Speaker 14 (35:13):
Hey guys, great stop show. I'm kind of catching up
on the podcast. But quick question, I don't know if
it's been brought up, but do we know that this
is the last player drafted from Washington State since Drew.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
Bled stuff for the Patriots and Cowboy.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Yeah, I don't don't know off the top of my head,
but we will never know.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
He's asking or he's telling.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
Molloy was Washington, right, Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 14 (35:41):
Sorry, I'm telling I'm just not sure if it's been
brought up. So I'm wondering if Paul has a special
connection to this player.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Now No, probably, yeah I do.

Speaker 14 (35:50):
And also, is the last safety pick a little we
are considering Billy Bowman was on the board.

Speaker 5 (35:58):
Yeah, I think that those were the it's a fair question.
I've gravitated a little bit more towards Billy Bowman and
Malachi Moore in the similar role that they drafted Woodson
to play. So I would be interested to know what
they saw in Woodson that they didn't see in those
two guys. My guests, just total guests. He has a

(36:19):
little bit more size than those two players. Those two
guys are a little bit undersized for the position, So
maybe that's what they're thinking. But I had more on
my big board. I was a big fan of Billy
Bowman's as well. Similar type of players, similar type of roles,
and I would have personally drafted one of those guys
over Woodson. But they obviously liked Woodson.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
So here we are Boston Cream is correct Drew Bledsoe
nineteen ninety three. No Patriot chosen out of Washington State.
Since okay, it's a draft history.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
Did you like Arian Smith wide receiver because he went
to the Jets?

Speaker 5 (37:00):
That's funny why I thought Arion Smith can be like
a seventh round pick. Oh yeah, So so you know,
we're getting into the range of the draft now where
I feel like we're kind of a little bit all
over the place with where people's boards are, like Deon Walker,
Ty Robinson to Philly, Like those picks make sense in
this range to me. Arian Smith. That does not That

(37:21):
does not make much sense to me.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Okay, and I don't know which one this is. George's
receiver struggled this year. I saw a number of Georgia
games where they just could not hold on to the football.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
Yeah, catching the balls challenging.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
I don't know if he's one of them.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
He is. Yeah, he's got a lot of athleticism, a
lot of you know, traits that you like in terms
of separation, but he had trouble catching them.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Reading his analysis on ESPN, Smith is a lean receiver
who was plagued by ugly drops. In twenty twenty four,
he averaged seventeen yards per catch outstanding combine workout explodes
out the line that maybe maybe he's one of those
guys that focus drops as they like to say, yes
and if he can fix that. But I watched Georgia
quite a few times this year, and I don't love

(38:05):
their quarterback play. I didn't love Carson Beck, but they
did not get a lot of help from their receivers.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
John Wrights instance, I know Paul likes games. This game.
You choose which one of these seemed more ridiculous coming
into the draft. T Mac falling out of the top ten,
or Matthew Golden being the first receiver taken. What was
what would be more ridiculous. I don't think either one
of them are really ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
No, I think I think that both of those guys
got taken around where people thought they would get taken.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Yeah, one of the top three tackles fall.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
I mean, didn't t Mac go eight?

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Yeah, I think so something like that.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
He went to the Panthers at eight. Right, that's somehow
like where everybody thought he was going to.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Go one of the top three tackles falling to the
late twenties, or New England trading out of the pick.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
One of the three tackles falling to the late twenties.

Speaker 12 (38:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
But who do you consider the top three? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Assume he's talking Campbell, Banks and Membo. Membo.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Those are the three times one of the top one of.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Those top three falling into the twenties would have been
I think probably pretty unrealistic.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Evan wearing a suit to a blue collar draft or
Duce getting upset that his defense didn't get any help
to in the first two days.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
He got over it. He did a good job of
getting over.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
It and ps, I'm low key starting to hate Christian
in LA but I still have a lot of hate
for Patty taking ten minutes to ask his questions.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Wow, yeah, it's good sell caller on color Crime. I'm
here for it. Sure always.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
Let's see. I know Evan, this is Michael. I know
Evan wants the edge, but Farmer might be a good
value here with his Barmore comp Joshua Farmer.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
Josh Yeah, I don't see Barmore when I watched Joshua Farmer.
But I've heard that comp. And I'm like coming at
the emailer for making the comp. I don't see that
kind of player.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
And I mean value wise, I mean he's up on
a lot of these lists as one of the guys.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
No, I thought that he was among the best available
talent under I.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
Thought that he was maybe in play there at one
O six.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
And yeah, and in fairness, I'm sure that email came
in before they actually made the pick at one O six.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
Most storing interesting Patriots fan in the world, James Pettigrew says,
dare I say it are the days of being scared
of the draft over? I remember being in studio for
the Razi Dowling pick and I was forever scarred.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Yeah, this is uh, this is as good as I
think we've collectively felt about a draft.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
Sean and Vancouver Mike Jack Sawyer is still there LFG.

Speaker 7 (40:44):
Yeah, I'd be I'd be yeah, I'd be happy with that.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
I don't think that's Mike's favorite option. Well, he wants
an edge, but I mean.

Speaker 8 (40:51):
Look, I got to be consistent with what I said,
and I think the issue that I just am concerned
with his past rush death and I banged that drum
last year and what happened Matthew Judong got traded and
all of a sudden, I mean they had no I
mean thirtieth and pressure rates, so you know, with a
hugely important part of the defense.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
And you know, I think their defense is just as
bad as.

Speaker 8 (41:11):
That as the great ben Volan pooned out. I mean
they've picked what thirteen picks, and the fourteen last picks,
one of them has been on the defensive side of
the ball, you know, I know, Well that's you know indeed,
but it's it's it's Look, there's been plenty of attention
on the defense and free agency, but going back to

(41:32):
last year too, you know, just.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
Want I hear.

Speaker 7 (41:39):
Day three flags of this defense.

Speaker 8 (41:41):
I think everybody acknowledges though at a certain point this
will catch up. You need to continue to stock some
young talent and hopefully they draft some guys here over
these last few rounds that do.

Speaker 7 (41:50):
Develop into something. But as as.

Speaker 8 (41:52):
I've learned working with Paul and then this is you know,
it's hard to expect anything out of anybody drafted from
this point on.

Speaker 7 (41:58):
It's great machine.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
You get any greats. Don't confuse, not expect, but.

Speaker 7 (42:03):
Just don't pencil this guy in as as.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
I think a lot of times fans look at the
position that they took and they drafted him, so that
means you addressed it. Whereas the vast majority of the
guys that you take in those with those picks will
not address the need. But that doesn't mean that they
never will. You know, Michael Wenu was a Day three
guy he addressed indeed like it happened, But.

Speaker 8 (42:23):
It's more like you know, like you said, like you're
present pleasantly surprised instead of sure, okay, Michael, And when
you asked six round pick, he'll be He'll be.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Starting to writeuard how many how many wide receivers have
they taken in the sixth and seventh round that have
been considered.

Speaker 8 (42:35):
To be at many so many to go down the list, well,
I mean just recently had the I mean Ermi Gallan Nixon, but.

Speaker 7 (42:43):
Even yeah Tree Nixon was the one I was I
was talking about.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
No, Devin Lucien.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
I would just I just I like some of the
talents still on the on the board here at edge,
and I think some of these guys can really play.
And this class is just unique in that respect that
it has, you know, a loaded group at that position.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
So you might have been very high on the edges. Yeah,
for a long time.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
You know if you look at you know, Jack Sawyer
still there, as we've been saying, Brandy and Swinston still
there from Lsu, Baron Sorel from Texas, Kyle Canard from
South Carolina, like if Deuce wants like just a pure
pass rusher, like you're saying, Kway Robinson from Alabama has
some of the most fun pass rush tape out of
any of these guys that are still available. Antoine Powell

(43:24):
Ryland from Virginia Tech's another guy that can really rush
the passer. So I still think that there's like four
or five guys that are true edge rushers that can
rush the passer and rush the quarterback and have a
third down roll. David Walker from Central Arkansas is another one,
small school guy that's still out and available. So I

(43:44):
would like to see them grab one of those guys.
I think that this their rookie class looks great. Their
draft picks look great so far, but it's it's missing
that it's missing that that player on the edge, and
hopefully they get it. CJ. West really good pick by
the Niners.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
You know what I did, I would tell you my
my big, big guy with the small number theory.

Speaker 7 (44:02):
I love those.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Guys, big guys, small numbers. You know what it means
to me, Mike, is it means that that guy is
a really good athlete. I'm that serious.

Speaker 13 (44:12):
I'm not.

Speaker 7 (44:13):
This is not it's not just the visual thing.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
It's not.

Speaker 7 (44:15):
It's the contrary.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
There's the reason that he had that number because but
he had the number when he was smaller and more
something something. It's not typical that like these three hundred
pound guys or you know, we're number eight. You know,
there had to be some reason.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
I think, like Brian Morey was seven at BU.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Almost almost almost universally, those guys are more athletic than
their position. And that guy, the Indiana guy, CJ.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
West, he's a game pretty good player. Yeah, he's a
really good player and penetrating nose tackle. You don't see
a ton of those like this. Is not a space eater,
he's an up the field nose tackle, really good online games,
really good at penetrating the line of scrimmage. He was
one of my favorite guys in this draft.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
So, Mike your your defense thing, you know, And I
again I totally agree with you and Evan when you
talk about the need to continue to address I just
feel like they had no options in some of these
spots on offense. What they've done on defense is they've
put stop gaps in. So I think that you're serviceable

(45:20):
in need of more. On offense, you didn't have a
left tackle, you might not have a guard, you know,
you did not have a playmaking wide receiver. Really, you
have a stopgap in digs and that's about it. So
you have to hope to your point, they had they
let go of Matthew Judon, Harold l Andry's got to give

(45:42):
him some something, you know, in the pass rush, and
then you have to look ahead and say, Okay, that's
going to be on a small list of things when
we're talking next November, December, January, hopefully not till January
when we start talking about the draft next time that
you know it's going to be an edge guy. Yeah,
it's going to be a top flight weapon wide receiver.

(46:03):
You know those are you know, hopefully you can pigeonhole
it and find some dynamic play players at those positions.
But I wouldn't necessarily be in despair, like where's the
pass rusher? You know? Like, and I do think they
have some stop depth. Robert Splain will probably give them
a little bit of a.

Speaker 7 (46:20):
You you laid it out. Yeah, you laid it out wonderfully, Paul.

Speaker 8 (46:24):
And I even add another to that, it's like, oh,
by the way, Douce, they signed Milk Williams, who was
the best pass rusher available in this free agency class
and is you know, an absolute terror. And they also
might be getting that Christian Barmore. So you know, it's
you're always chasing. You're never gonna have everything right.

Speaker 7 (46:37):
There's always going to be you.

Speaker 8 (46:40):
But what you just said, Paul about next year we're
probably talking about now it's time to find that number
one receiver and the edge like and.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Again that doesn't mean that I don't want to do
the Evan Mike thing and and get one of these
guys on my l s U guy or Jack Sawyer.
I mean, you know, somebody just if it's that, if
you guys are writing there is that much depth at
the edge.

Speaker 8 (47:00):
I mean not to oversimplify it, but you know, I
always talk about the big five positions, and right now
you feel like a quarterback. They got Drake May at cornerback.
They have Christian Zalaz at left tackle. Now they have
Will Campbell, and you know what's left is really we
could talk ourselves into Diggs. Maybe maybe he still has
some of that juice of being that guy, but is
there a long term elite edge presence. I think those

(47:22):
are the five positions, So those last two are you know,
and I think they've done a lot of wide receiver.
They've done enough to make me feel like they have
some players that are going to be able to change
this offense to make it more explosive. And that's the
exciting fact. We've talked all the last two days about it.

Speaker 7 (47:37):
This is an offense league. This is about scoring.

Speaker 8 (47:39):
This is about the passing game, and ultimately that's where
you're going to live and die. I don't need to
stock up on defense and make that the focus. This
offense needs to catch up to the rest of the NFL.
We've been saying it too long, So in that regard,
totally get it. It's just I'm always going to be looking at, well,
where's the need, where's the potential flaw? Where are we
one injury away from oboy Because I mean, honestly would

(48:00):
say if Harold Landry got hurt, oh yeah, that's a
big that's a big deal, right, and they get hurt,
they've addressed a lot of vacant needs, which doesn't necessarily
give you any depth.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
It just gives you some players that are plugged in.
You're right, if they were to lose, you know, some
of those guys that they brought in as free agents,
if they if one or two of those guys get hurt,
I think they're really relying on those guysat up a
lot of snaps.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
Well, you know, when you talk about depth out, that
was basically what Elliott Wolf said last night about today,
and that was we still feel like we have some
holes on the depth chart. Uh, you know, in terms
of depth on defense, not necessarily our frontline starters, but
you know, developmental free safety, right you know, backup safety. Uh,
maybe a rotational edge rusher or a backup edge rusher

(48:46):
rep there. You know that that type of stuff is
I think where they're trying to go today. And they're
not gonna be stars, maybe none of them will be stars,
but can they be your third safety? Can they be
a rotational pass rusher on third down off the edge?
You know that that's what they're kind of looking for
right now today. And I just listening to Deuce talk about

(49:07):
his concerns about the depth there in the pass rush.
It really brings back, brings me back to Keon White.
Like Keon White, I feel like needs to be uh,
he needs to take a next step as an outside rusher.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
I don't think it's fair to to put it on
him to like be a pass rusher. He wasn't in college.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
Well, he's an interior. It's an he's an interior pass rusher.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
He's a he's a pocket pusher. He can be a
disruptor for sure, but he's not a sack guy.

Speaker 5 (49:34):
I don't need him to be a sack guy. I
need to I want him to pressure the quarterback like
I think Carold Landry's here to to sack people. I
mean that that's a guy that can get up to
double digit sacks. But you want, you know, Milton Williams,
Christian Barmore, Keon White, you want those guys being the
one that are pushing the quarterback towards Harold Landry so
that he can go ahead and clean it up. And
I look at Keon White as a player that right

(49:57):
now probably has the highest upside to be what Deuce
is looking for on the current roster. Him and I
have been kind of lockstep on it, thinking that he's
not really that kind of guide like your point, Fred,
you know, especially coming off the edge, like it's just
not really been his strong suit since he's been here
or even in college. But you know, maybe with Terrell
Williams and Mike Rabel, they're able to school him up

(50:18):
and they're improve Yeah.

Speaker 8 (50:21):
Yeah, I mean I think at this point you're probably
looking more at key On White as your right defensive
end on early downs and you, as Paul said, rotate
in chase on on passing downs and you know, I
don't have anything against ke On White. I think he's
really good inside. But they have Mount Williams, they have
Christian Barmore. There's only so many gaps on the inside
of the offensive line that you can, you know, put

(50:41):
rushers over. So I hope they find a way to
use him. I hope that they're able to unlock him
a little bit. I know he's a unique player played
on the offensive side of the ball. So there's a
lot of intrigue there, no question about it. But it's
up to Terrell Williams to find what I just like.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
Like they're building a roster on defense that looks like
they're going to be able to take advantage of some mismatch,
you know, and create some mismatches and really, you know,
be a defensive team where, you know, certain games, depending
on what the offense is, we're gonna be able to
use key On White a certain way. In this game,

(51:19):
Milton Williams is gonna eat because there's something going on
in the middle there that he's going to be taking advance.
And we've got enough complimentary players we're building that toward
being able to take advantage of situations.

Speaker 7 (51:32):
Yeah, I'd like to.

Speaker 8 (51:33):
I mean, you'd like to spread the offense out, and
it feels like right now the offensive line can focus
on the middle and focus on giving help to protect
against what Milton Williams and Christian Barmore are so good at,
which is getting upfield being disruptive. So in my mind,
it's just if you have that speed guy on the outside,
now it's like it's hard to give help to the

(51:54):
tackle and the guard, and you know, you start to
spread it.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
Out even more. So it's all it's about matchups.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
Yeah, there's a lot of riding on Harold Landry, you know,
to go back to the rusher he was two years
ago and Rabeles last year in Tennessee last year. There's
two ways looking at it. You can either say that
you know, he's starting to hit the wall a little
bit older in his career, you know, later on in
his career, or you could say he changed systems. It
wasn't a fit for him what they were doing last

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year in Tennessee. And now he's going to go back
to playing in the Mike rabel defense that he thrived
in as a Titan, and he'll be the player he
was in twenty twenty three instead of the player he
was in twenty twenty four. And if they get that
Harold Landry, then at least for next year. It's kind
of like with Stefan Diggs, like you feel a little
bit better about the outlook of the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
Matt writes, saying, I'm not sure what our obsession is
with smaller wide receivers that are quick. I wanted a
Horton type wide receiver who was still available when we
drafted Kyle Williams. Do you think Horton has a better
chance of being an actual starter versus Kyle Williams.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
I think Kyle Williams is fast. I don't think he's
just quick.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
Yeah. I had a tough time with Tory Horton because
he had a big twenty twenty three and then he
got hurt last year and missed most of the season
last year, and everybody kept on telling me go back
to twenty twenty three and watch him then and all that.
And I thought that he had some flashes, but I didn't.
I didn't swoon over Tory Horton. I wasn't crazy about

(53:23):
him as a player. I thought he was pretty raw
as a route runner. You know it doesn't really do
it for me. If you're just running crossing routes, you know,
away from defenders and catching balls and tons of space
like that, I want to see some technical savvy, some
route running ability, you know, that sort of thing. I
think Kyle Williams is a better route runner than Tory Horton,
and in.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
General I liked the email because I kind of feel
like that I want faster guys with some size over
the smaller, quick guys. But I think that Kyle Williams
is getting sold short in that description.

Speaker 8 (53:54):
You know what impress me watching a little Kyle Williams
last night was the contested catchability. That was something that
didn't really stick out to me initially, but number of
downfield catches where he's got some guys on him, and
for not being the biggest player, seems to have a
pretty good knack for high pointing the ball using his
I mean, the separation is apparent.

Speaker 7 (54:13):
I've and look at the Travis Hunter clip. We put
that on loop.

Speaker 8 (54:16):
But the second you take a wrong step on Kyle Williams,
he's going the other bit.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
A while since, we've had a guy who when he
comes to says, this is a guy who can get open.

Speaker 8 (54:26):
And that's what I'm so that's what I'm interested to
see in camp, you know, because I talk all the
time about when we went to the Raiders joint practice
and I'm watching DeVante Adams.

Speaker 7 (54:34):
Like, so, this is what it looks like when you
got a dude.

Speaker 8 (54:37):
Not that I'm expecting Kyle Williams to be that player,
but just to see what that speed looks like. We
drafted Taekwon Thornton in four to three, what's.

Speaker 7 (54:44):
This look like?

Speaker 8 (54:45):
Didn't ever really look I mean, other than warm ups
maybe when he was running over those cones, they were like, oh,
Taekwon's opening it up, but you never saw it really translate.
And this is something that I'm sure you guys watch
plenty with guys like Edelman and Welker, just guys who
they're going the other way, and it's all of a sudden, there's,
you know, couple feet of separation.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
Nick and the Poconot's rites in great show last night,
especially enjoyed the after show. I was enjoying the late
quiet of the night when everyone is asleep and no
one needs anything from me, and suddenly I heard Evan's
voice on a hot mic between Deuce dropping f bombs
and Evan complaining about the heat and his lack of
remaining players on the big board. It was an entertaining listen.
I was impressed on how quickly they transitioned to the

(55:22):
professional recap when the camera started rolling, and chuckled at Evan,
marveling that it didn't go off the rails at the end.
It was great insight into your process. Thank you for
all you do. Fred turned down the thermostat was that
your wrap up shot?

Speaker 7 (55:35):
That was a wrap up show that we shot, which
is which goes by?

Speaker 3 (55:38):
I didn't get.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
What are you doing, Matt. You're getting these guys.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
On the streams.

Speaker 7 (55:42):
The streams are on, the streams are open.

Speaker 5 (55:45):
That's okay. We were just talking ball so nothing.

Speaker 7 (55:48):
So if you're ever listening to any of the shows,
just let it go for a little while. You never
know what you might get.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
But that was the real friends someday who knows.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
I don't think I've never done anybody go recently that
of note. Trevor Ettn went to Georgia back, went to
the Panthers.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
Yeah, Woody Marx went to the Texans, who I really
like what he marks a lot. He reminds me probably
the most out of anybody in this class of James
White like that that type of player, really good change direction.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Nick cRIO really liked him because he moved up.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
Yeah yeah, run run on running backs if you will
now come in. So you had Skataboo at the top
of the round, uh, Trevor Etn, Woody Marks, and now
Jarquez Hunter from Auburn just went to the Rams. So
a good fit for the Rams, you know, outside zone back,
duo back, good downhill runner, one cut ability. I like

(56:49):
to fit for them as well. But Houston's drafted a
couple of guys, as they tend to do, that could
have been Patriots in an alternate universe. They drafted both
Iowa state wide receivers, they drafted Arianti ursery tackle, and
now they drafted Woody Mark. So four guys that I
easily could have seen being Patriots by the end of
this drafter are Texans. So you can tell that there's

(57:12):
still They're still kind of great and on a similar
scale those two teams, it feels.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
Like Mitch and Albany. Do you guys also hate all
the special announcers for just about every pick. I understand
why they do it, but it really drags on and
slows everything down. Also, would be completely unprecedented for Shador
to go totally undrafted.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
I think we're kind of in unprecedented territory now for
a guy that was so universally considered a first round
pick to have not been taken at all for no
like arrest. You know, we're not talking about legal issues
off field. I don't know if can you think of
anybody that was this universally considered to be first second

(57:56):
round at worst.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
To go solo to go not well. I mean there's
been guys like Aaron Rodgers. You could consider he's slided,
but he was still in the first round.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
He slide it.

Speaker 7 (58:06):
Do you think this is having a snowball effect though?

Speaker 8 (58:08):
Where the longer it goes, the harder it is for
a team to draft him, because now you're not only
getting that circus, you're getting the circus.

Speaker 7 (58:15):
Of why did you?

Speaker 4 (58:16):
Why?

Speaker 7 (58:16):
What made you tra? You know, it just gets harder
to explain, you know.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Albert Breer actually tweeted a little while ago what we've
been talking about. He said, there's two realities that could
be at play. One is Sanders fill out of the
first round because of talent and performance. Two he's still
available now because of everything else. It's kind of what
we've been touching on here. Uh, you know, is at
this point of the draft, teams are looking for depth
and developmental players. If you're taking in the third round,

(58:42):
of the fourth round and the fifth round, you're going
to be working in the background. That would make Sanders
a backup. Backup quarterbacks need to blend in with the furniture,
you know. It's It's kind of why Tim Tebow and
Colin Kaepernick and even guys like Jay Cutler and Cam
Newton had trouble extending their careers. I wonder if you
know that's part of the fear, now what you just said, Mike, Yeah,
you know, so, I think Albert might be honest.

Speaker 8 (59:03):
The other the other funny part of this whole thing, though,
is that, of course, like Paul, you and I, we
don't really often have bets, and yet somehow I bet that.

Speaker 7 (59:10):
Ship Nord Sanders was going to go in the top fifteen,
and I owe you a sandwich.

Speaker 5 (59:15):
Yeah, I think you might know him three at this point.
I so Billy Bowman just went to the Falcons, which
is one of those safeties that I was talking about earlier.
It'd be interesting to see, but they put it up
there on the screen. You know, he's five nine one ninety.
The Patriots guy Woodson that the Patriots drafted is a
six feet two hundred pounds, So I think that's probably

(59:37):
where where their mind was at with liking Woodson over
some of those other guys. But I really liked Billy
Bowman on tape. I think he's going to be a
good player. But they I think they liked the size
and the speed a little bit better with what you.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Know, some of the things with the guy that we took.
You know, people say he does need to get a
little bit more physical. He has trouble tackling at times,
although he had seventy tackles last year, so yeah, it
seems like a physical guy too.

Speaker 5 (01:00:02):
But yeah, I think the only concern that I had
it with him was, you know, true range over the
top to play center field, Like does he He tested well,
he ran a four four five, so it looks like
he has that kind of speed, But will he that
that speed translate? You know, he played in the system
that wasn't quite a post safety system. He played much
more split safety there at cal So, you know, is

(01:00:24):
he going to have that ability to play a true
center field post safety role. We'll see.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
We'll see the hotline eight five to five pats, five
hundred Robbies in California. What's up, Robbie?

Speaker 15 (01:00:38):
Hey, guys, really enjoying this show.

Speaker 14 (01:00:43):
A couple of comments and a few questions for you guys.

Speaker 15 (01:00:47):
I really enjoyed.

Speaker 10 (01:00:48):
I really liked the draft so far. The first couple
of days really good. The I'm comment about the Trador
standards if I was kind of enjoying him not getting
drafted because I don't like Deon Sanders and all the
theater that follows him, but now I'm starting to feel

(01:01:10):
bad about the poor guy. The I will be disappointed
if they don't come out with this draft with a
couple of edge rushers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
And I see that.

Speaker 16 (01:01:24):
In the fifth round they have a couple of graph
picks in the fifth In late in the fifth round,
I wonder if they're going to package at least one
of those up to move.

Speaker 12 (01:01:34):
Up for someone.

Speaker 14 (01:01:35):
I wonder who would they move up for?

Speaker 12 (01:01:36):
Would it really be Jack.

Speaker 14 (01:01:37):
Sawyer or somebody like that?

Speaker 13 (01:01:39):
And the second question for you guys is they.

Speaker 10 (01:01:42):
Have a couple of crowded rooms, wide receiver and offensive line.
I wonder how do you see the I know it's
a little early, but how do you.

Speaker 12 (01:01:50):
See the two rings shaking out?

Speaker 14 (01:01:52):
Who's going to be sort of left out as a team.

Speaker 7 (01:01:55):
Thanks Robbie Elliot Wolf was asked about that last.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
The offensive line where it is crowded, don't necessarily think
the wide receiver room is. But Evan's been talking about
that competition at guard. I think, you know, the city,
so someone's got to go.

Speaker 8 (01:02:10):
Yeah, I mean it might even be somebody that we
don't talk a lot about, like Tyrese Robinson.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
You know, but about Iman out of the.

Speaker 8 (01:02:17):
Strange, so Robinson and Andrews that for some of them.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Yeah, and now you throw you know, Wilson and Bradberry
in there.

Speaker 5 (01:02:24):
Yeah, especially if Wilson proves that he can play some guard.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
I mean there's definitely a world where they say, well,
Wilson's one of our best five guys, so maybe Bradberry's are,
you know, also one of our best five. So we'll
have Bradberry play center and Wilson's gonna play left guard.
But that means that those three guys that Paul's mentioning,
now you know, you only really need one interior backup,
you don't need three. So at some point one of the.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Strangers, so do they both go like, because I agree
with Robbie, I think that's a little crowded right now.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
Yeah, I mean, I guess in theory you could if
that does my situation does happen, then you know, Bradbury
gets hurt. You can bump Wilson going to the center.
But I do wonder if that helps cold Strange a
little bit because he can play a little bit of center,
so he can kind of back up three different spots
there on the interior. Whereas you know So and Robinson
are true guards. It's hard to keep a guy that's

(01:03:13):
a one position backup on the offensive line. You usually
have to be able to play multiple positions.

Speaker 8 (01:03:19):
Can I ask a question, how crazy am I if
I hold a very small flame of Cold Strange being
a good starting left guard this year, like highly athletic.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
I don't think. I don't think that's out of the
Roman possibility. But if you know whoever it is, take
the other guys that you know the Jake Andrews is
in the city sows and they got to go like, sure,
you know, I think Laden Robinson is a year two
guy is going to be given an opportunity, you know,
to see if he can do the you know, the

(01:03:50):
year two And I thought, I don't think he's going
anywhere either, for the same reason. You've got to make
sure that he has an ample opportunity to show what
he has.

Speaker 8 (01:04:01):
That's why I think Evan made a good point one
of these shows earlier, just about city, you know, maybe
fitting gap schemes a little bit better. Feeling with Josh
might want to do a little bit better. Not the
best suited for the for the wide zone stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:04:13):
But I just like.

Speaker 8 (01:04:15):
Cold, strange, super athletic, Like I is there really nothing
there is there.

Speaker 7 (01:04:19):
I mean, he's had.

Speaker 8 (01:04:20):
Little flashes where he looked solid, but it's such a
wild card.

Speaker 7 (01:04:24):
I said it a couple of shows ago, like four
years ago.

Speaker 8 (01:04:26):
He's a first round pick and you're telling me this
guy couldn't just be at least a stop gap at
left guard.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
For a year, and you know he had And I
was like, you know, Bill saw so much more on
him than than a lot of other people. How he
couldn't have been that wrong?

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
So, and I know that sounds like I'm taking a
shot at Bill. I know it's actually right. I think
so much a Bill that I can't believe that he
was that.

Speaker 7 (01:04:48):
I love how you put it that way.

Speaker 8 (01:04:49):
That's it, because that's just that little like, like I said,
I'm holding this little flame of just.

Speaker 7 (01:04:52):
Like he can't just be okay, like you know, if
he's really.

Speaker 8 (01:04:56):
Athletic, I'm with you, like I think that the there
is that, and he has some experience at center, which
offers some versatility as a backup.

Speaker 7 (01:05:05):
So, as Evan said, backups need to play multiple positions.

Speaker 8 (01:05:09):
So how strange wild he's my wild card this year
in camps.

Speaker 7 (01:05:14):
You know, could he emerge in But.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
It's going to be interesting to see how those positions fall.
And my guess is one or two of those guys
won't even make it to training. Sure, you know they're
going to go through the spring and you're going to see,
like the May twenty fifth, the Patriots have released some
guy that you know the name, right, But.

Speaker 8 (01:05:35):
There's no question, I mean, Doug Marone comes in every coach.
There's players you like, there's players that you don't really
think can do what you're gonna ask them to do.
And I'm sure those opinions are starting to form right
now with him, and who knows what will go into it,
but I think I think you're right, Paul. They might
be a little bit heavy there and there's only so
many reps to go around.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
Yeah, I really feel that the center flex for cole
Strange is what's going to help him the most. Like
the fact that he truly probably could play all three
interior spots where those other two guys really can only
play guard. You know that, especially with a rookie that's
a twenty one year old and had one season as
a starter at Georgia and Jared Wilson and Bradberry's uncertainty

(01:06:14):
in terms of, you know, where he's at in his career.
You know, if anything is going to save cole Strange,
to me, it's it's that he can play a little
bit of center and guard.

Speaker 8 (01:06:21):
I mean, it's just interesting if you think about the
line that way of having you know, Mike on when
you on at right guard, you know, but having these
athletic guys on the left side, so on the right side,
you know, you you you've got Morgan Moses in and
when you kind of big rogue grading guys. And then
on the other side you might have Cole Strange, who
might be the most athletic guy on the line. I mean,

(01:06:42):
that's what his thing was, was that athleticism. But again
it's how does the scheme fit into this? What are
they going to ask these guys to do? But it
certainly would be intriguing to me thinking about Will Campbell
with his movement skills and Cole Strange being able to pull.

Speaker 7 (01:06:55):
Those guys, get those guys out in space.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:06:58):
Meanwhile, while you're just you know, paving the rod on
the right side of the line.

Speaker 7 (01:07:01):
It's an interesting balance.

Speaker 5 (01:07:03):
They've done that in the past too. You know, I
always go back to Solder, Tuney, Andrews, Mason, Cannon right
like that, and they had on the right side you
had two bulldozers and Mason and Cannon, and then on
the other side you had two really good athletes and
Solder and Joe Toney. So that that's typically been how
McDaniels has balanced the line. You know, on the back side,

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on the left side, you want to have athletes, past protectors,
you know, guys that can do that sort of thing.
And on the other side is what you run behind,
so that that's what they did for years.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
Ben and Brooklyn says, if sanders fall is based on
lack of athleticism, does that make Travis Hunter's accomplishments all
the greater.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
I think that that might be part of it with
why people are having some skepticism around Sanders. He had
the best player in college football that was making plays
for him all over the place. You don't think that
that happens. Yeah, I think it's happened with LSU in
the past. You try to figure out, well, yeah, Zach

(01:08:03):
the good guy. Zach Mettenberger is the quarterback at LSU,
and you know he has Jeremy Hill in the back
in the backfield, and you know was justin Jefferson there?
What what? What? What iteration of stud wide receivers did
he did he play with at the time? You know,
like and then you start to say, like, well, is
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(01:08:25):
of some great uh position positional play skill position guys
around him? Now it's one guy here for Colorado, not
a stacked offense like LSU has had in the past.
So I'm not saying his apples to apples. But you
don't think that some people are looking at that and saying,
Travis Hunter make anybody complete seventy four percent of his
passes with those ball skills that Travis.

Speaker 7 (01:08:46):
Huntra has saw that one catch you jumps back.

Speaker 5 (01:08:50):
And hands store things annoying me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
I think, well, and it's funny because I'm on Twitter
and I'm like just reading, and it's so funny how
different people are in such different camps. Adam Shine and
Jeff Donninson a going back and forth talking about how
the Dolphins might be a good landing spot for him
because they like to have guys with similarities to tours.

Speaker 5 (01:09:10):
Burgh's picking right now. They might be a good lie.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
See if I were Pittsburgh, I would take him. But
they're talking about they want to have similarities with Tua
because Tua misses time obviously to his strength what accuracy,
So Sanders' strength accuracy, you know, good developmental guy. And
then like Joe Banner, who is obviously on the opposite
side and very bitter. I don't know if you follow

(01:09:34):
Joe Banner at all, He's a bitter follow on Twitter.
I enjoy it the amount of time on Sanders, who
the league thinks won't even be a quality backup is crazy.
The media created this non story and they just can't
let it go.

Speaker 5 (01:09:48):
Pittsburgh took Jack Sawyer. They got our guy, got our guy.
So yeah, the fact that Pittsburgh keeps passing on Shador
is kind of crazy. Like they their quarterback depth chart
is is nobody like they they literally Now I assume
they're playing as Aaron Rodgers and they know that and

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they're just going to sign him after the draft. But
I would think that even with Aaron Rodgers, and maybe
it's Paul's thing that it's he's just too much of
a distraction as a backup. Like, but if you sign
Aaron Rodgers to a one year deal and you're inviting distractions,
and then you say you draft Shador and then Chador
sits a year behind Aaron Rodgers and then it's Chadors

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Show next year.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
I would have taken him. I would if I were
Mike Tomlin, very secure, sure, you know, strong, strong willed
head coach with a good program, as Fred says, I
would have taken him right there.

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Speaker 7 (01:10:58):
It's a great time.

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we'll see that's the Patriots get closer to the fifth round.

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Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
History. I saw Eric before we went to the break.
You were shaking your head. What are you upset about
the Bengals?

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
Yeah? I can't deal with him if he's going to
be like this all weekend. Fred I needed a buy
a weekend, Paul.

Speaker 4 (01:15:26):
We know that the Bengals already gave Joe Burrow his jersey.
Why hasn't the pickmen made we're five minutes in.

Speaker 18 (01:15:31):
Let's go to make he's tired.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
He needs his rest.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
It's getting close tired from we haven't done anything in
seven weeks.

Speaker 7 (01:15:38):
I'm not Eric, who is.

Speaker 5 (01:15:40):
Never suddenly bored waiting.

Speaker 8 (01:15:42):
For yes, Yes, I am board, Megan O'Brien, you're right, Megan,
we finally found something that bores me.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
The friggin' Bengals.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
That's another great moment from.

Speaker 4 (01:15:54):
All right back here and Patriots sunfiltered eight five to
five past five hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Five minutes into the draft, he went on.

Speaker 7 (01:16:01):
Will this thing just be over?

Speaker 5 (01:16:02):
God? Could two people be more alike and more dissimilar
than me and Eric? Like, well, we are kind of
alike in some ways.

Speaker 4 (01:16:10):
But you love the subject matter, right, He hated the subject.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
That's they're in lies the problem. You know there in
lies the problem.

Speaker 7 (01:16:19):
You need to be a character.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
You know you didn't like football, so what are you
doing working for the team?

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:16:25):
Literally?

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
Not even he.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Thought Fred and I and especially Andy were so beneath him.

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh you were.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
Un beneath everybody. That's why everybody's passed me by. We
had another visit from a former Patriots employee this week.
If we'll a member of the media relations department, Casey
O'Connell hasn't been with the organization since like two thousand
and eight. It's like a partner in a law firm now,
just like you had another one just past, a much

(01:16:54):
better living, a much better like well put well put well.

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
Everyone's been waiting to hear his opinion of Kyle Williams.
Eldred from North Carolina is on the line. What's up?
Eldred have been either, oh, you're driving on Saturday?

Speaker 7 (01:17:09):
Huh, Yeah, Yes, I worked.

Speaker 11 (01:17:11):
I worked two through stairs.

Speaker 20 (01:17:12):
I'm up on Sundays and moneys, I can watch the
football game, okay, and and love Henderson Pet because I
like I said, I like Ohio State. I like them
running back to new receivers Kyle Williams, Well, I would
you would have got Trey Harris or maybe purpose even
though ANTHONYE was talking about him, you know, doing the

(01:17:33):
thing out sort of looked at them a little bit more.

Speaker 12 (01:17:35):
Yeah, Kyle Williams. They said, it's stilling.

Speaker 6 (01:17:37):
The number three receiver. Don't we have enough number three
on the on the roster?

Speaker 5 (01:17:43):
Yeah, I don't know. You know what Warehome stacked up.
You know, I couldn't tell you that today, but I
I what I like so much about him is is
that he brings a level of speed and separation that
U in a bigger frame than somebody like a Pop Douglas.
See the only guy on the roster they have that
separates like him as probably Pop. But Pop's five nine

(01:18:04):
and eighty pounds. You know, this guy's got some size
to him compared to that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:08):
Got an inch over yea.

Speaker 6 (01:18:10):
I love the draft so far, you know, but I
wish insteadn't getting it at thinner. I wish he got
an edge rusher or maybe another wire is either. I
hope they get throwing in the poor for the field.

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
Everyone's gone, yeah, he got Draftedting's gone, Yeah, your boy
got got drafted by the Raiders.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Very cliche and one of the more predictable things.

Speaker 5 (01:18:31):
Well I'm gone, Thanks, thanks, dipping in his voice.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
All right, let's go to Tim and Phoenix. What's up Tim?

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
I was hoping he'd be more excited about Kyle Williams.

Speaker 11 (01:18:42):
Good morning, Philips?

Speaker 7 (01:18:43):
Are you good morning?

Speaker 11 (01:18:46):
I gotta say I like the fact that we're trading
our checker pieces for some chest pieces.

Speaker 12 (01:18:51):
Oh.

Speaker 11 (01:18:52):
Very happy with the draft. I got two things. One
from Deuce. Have you heard anything about this rivalry gear
and these uniforms and fan gear?

Speaker 7 (01:19:00):
Yeah, I have, what's going on with that? Yeah, so
new uniforms this year.

Speaker 8 (01:19:06):
Yeah, the AFC East, so all four teams will have
a uniform that they'll wear I believe once, just once,
I think, but against each other within the division. So yeah,
it'll be a new uniform. I think it's out this
summer sometime is when they'll reveal it. But yeah, they
got all kinds of swag and everything. It's a it's
a whole new deal.

Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
Yeah, it's a whole program that the league is doing,
uh to create these rivalries and AFC East and what
was the other conference the division that Yeah, so they're
the only two divisions that are going to be wearing
them this year, but they'll bring in the rest of
the league over time. So I don't know, it's like
it's one game, but there is like merchandise tied to

(01:19:43):
it that you'll be able to buy starting this summer,
so we'll see what it looks like. Hopefully it's pretty cool.

Speaker 11 (01:19:49):
You guys, did you guys hear the report from Nesson
about the division over the second round pick and the
Patriots draft room.

Speaker 5 (01:19:56):
It wasn't a report. Elliott Will told everybody at the
press conference last night. Did that happened?

Speaker 7 (01:20:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:20:03):
He didn't say who the the debate was about, just
that the pick was picked before. Yeah, and so we
don't know. But I'm curious, what do you guys think?
What were the the sides? I guess you could say
he was on what side? Where do you think the
division was in that room?

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
I have no idea.

Speaker 7 (01:20:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:20:23):
I don't know, like in terms of like the wanting
to say if we were going to say it was
Jade Higgins, I think that was what we were kind
of speculating.

Speaker 5 (01:20:30):
Yeah, I mean that would make sense just because they
took a receiver in the next round, so you would
think that, you know. I also thought Jonas Savania from
Arizona is another guy that that could have Patriot potential
written all over him, you know, tackle guard, flex, someone
like that. So maybe they wanted to were considering at
least you know, going trenches again and really beefing up

(01:20:51):
the offensive line. Then they ended up taking you know,
Wilson a couple of picks later, so they ended up
taking an interior offensive lineman as well. Interesting those two guys,
like Tim said, who wanted who?

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
Then who helped the tie? You know, like, was it
verbel in fact that said, Okay, this is what we're doing.

Speaker 7 (01:21:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:21:11):
You know the report that the person that the debate
was was picked before the Patriots pick came up, so
the debate was kind of ended.

Speaker 5 (01:21:18):
Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that's what yeah said. So yeah, yeah,
So Jonas Savina, the guard from Arizona, was picked thirty
seven by the Dolphins, and the Dolphins traded into that
pick to take him.

Speaker 4 (01:21:32):
Oh that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
It stands to reason the Patriots were probably interested in him.

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
Yeah, all right, Tim, thanks for the call. Appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (01:21:41):
Doug Marone wanted him?

Speaker 5 (01:21:44):
Yeah, I mean I'm not going to speculate who wanted who,
but if I had to guess, I would put my
money on one of those two guys, Higgins or Savana.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
Martin writes in it's really nice to watch the draft
with all of you, especially for your live reaction. I
have two suggestions to make the listener experience even better.
For the people whining about being tipped before the main
TV show in the first round, you could only you
could tip the pick, but in a more theatrical way,
like by saying it the way they do on the stage,

(01:22:16):
maybe with the draft chime. Also more often than not,
I'm an act an archive listener, and it would be
nice if you could tell the pick position all the
time when you announce them. This way, it would be
easier to scroll through the show for certain parts of
the draft. Or you could make matt work more and
have them add the latest pick at the bottom of
the screen.

Speaker 8 (01:22:36):
Okay, and I did do you think there'd be an
appetite at all for Hey, I like the sound an
appetite at all for a video just best moments from
the draft shows. Maybe go through and do like a
five minute little cut up of you know, funny laughs
and announcing the picks and.

Speaker 7 (01:22:51):
You know, something like that. Maybe the fans, maybe you
like that, Guys, let us know.

Speaker 4 (01:22:54):
Sure, let's see, Jason writes in Guys, Kyle Williams something.
He is not small. He hasn't quotes as he's about
six feet. Well, no, he's five to ten.

Speaker 5 (01:23:08):
Right almost, yeah, change, he's about my size.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
He's almost almost five eleven.

Speaker 5 (01:23:15):
So he's almost six feet If.

Speaker 4 (01:23:18):
He's closer to five eleven, then he has six feet Yeah,
he's under five eleven, right, Yeah, And another point of
some comfort is he was widely viewed positively by the
media scouts like Daniel Jeremiah, Mike Renner. The pick was applauded,
whereas when Taekwon was picked, all of those raised eyebrows
and on Shador. Now you're talking about drafting a backup,

(01:23:40):
and would any team want their backup to bring that
kind of attention to the team, right, That's that's the problem.

Speaker 5 (01:23:46):
Yeah, Jalen Travis interesting interesting pick. Developmental tackles are starting
to go now. But yeah, I mean we none of
us have to be sold on Kyle Williams. I think
we all are pretty excited about you.

Speaker 7 (01:23:58):
We can spend like two hours talking about him. Yeah
before they picked him.

Speaker 8 (01:24:01):
Yeah, I'm just laughing those like you know here and
Evan random names pop up.

Speaker 7 (01:24:05):
Now I'm starting to be like, I don't know who
these guys are.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
You are at that points?

Speaker 8 (01:24:09):
How doesn't like to believe wet I got there late
last night, But now I'm wondering a couple of guys
I did not, like.

Speaker 7 (01:24:14):
What do we do? What do we do with Eric?
On day three? Like what what like he didn't even
have the day.

Speaker 5 (01:24:19):
On Jalen Blane.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Eric came on dating.

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
I thought Jalen Travis would be an interesting pick for
them as like a flyer at tackle, developmental tackle, A
huge dude, like six six three forty three fifty good athlete.
I was interested in him at this point of the draft.
Maybe a little bit later as if they wanted to
double dip and get you know, the shirt thing with Campbell,

(01:24:45):
but maybe get like a developmental tackle on day three
with some tools, some upside.

Speaker 7 (01:24:49):
I like this kid, Jalen Lane too.

Speaker 5 (01:24:51):
He's fast.

Speaker 8 (01:24:51):
It was one of my want fast guys. I know
that's and that's he was. He was on my BB
same thing though, the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
We've been talking even in fourth round. They get up
in Yeah a fast.

Speaker 5 (01:25:01):
Guy like kind of a gadget player is a little
little Mikole hardenan to.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
On the front.

Speaker 7 (01:25:07):
H Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
Remember we used to do the movie review with Larry Yeah,
random moments with Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
He was a big, big movie guy. Kirk writes in
Happy Saturday. He's from Burlington, Ontario. Thought we could have
picked better than cals uh Woodson. I thought Ransom is better.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
He got Yeah, he got taken within ten picks. Also
fire of State safety, right Ransom.

Speaker 4 (01:25:35):
Yeah, I also thought David Walker was the best defensive player.
He reminds me of Elvis Dumerville.

Speaker 5 (01:25:41):
Yeah, David Walker is a free really small school prospect
from Central Arkansas. But when you watch those guys, you
want them to dominate, and especially with power. He dominated.
I mean, he would just ragged all dudes at that level.
I Ransom was was Luke worm on him. He He's
not a great athlete, you know. I think he's more

(01:26:02):
of a box safety, you know, close to the line
of scrimmage. I think Woodson is more of a guy
that can play from depth and play deeper down the
field and maybe even playing center field.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
He went about six fifteen, sixteen picks after.

Speaker 5 (01:26:14):
Yeah, no, that it's a fair point about the safeties,
you know, I keep saying, Billy Bowman went Lantham Race
and went Patriots took Woodson at the top of the round.
And it will be interesting to see, you know, in
two years, which which ones end up being better. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
It's funny though, is something tells me that won't generate
the amount of attention of like the wide receivers you
know everybody can rattle off the wives. Well, I mean
we all remember that, you know that treat that trio
was Safeties that went in the fourth round, you know,
back in twenty five.

Speaker 5 (01:26:43):
Well, because we're absolutely absolute sickos, Catch twenty two, h
Well we'll we'll talk twenty minutes about them taking Billy Bowman.

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
Yeah, like the mid eight that your tagline Catch twenty too,
will remember.

Speaker 7 (01:27:01):
Yeah, did you did you check in with Barky on
your ride home last night?

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
It was no, We know he.

Speaker 5 (01:27:06):
Was still working, so I tried calling him, but he
wasn't ready to talk yet, so probably talk.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
To ready to No, No, I'm not there yet.

Speaker 4 (01:27:17):
So I know nothing will be you're ready for your
close up after you phase after nothing will.

Speaker 5 (01:27:22):
Be the cold, strange draft. And him and I spent
about an hour and a half on the phone trying
to top each other off the ledge and uh and
the two of us and and Jesson is sleeping in
the other room and she comes in and she's like,
you're screaming, it's two o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 7 (01:27:37):
Like can we go to bed?

Speaker 5 (01:27:39):
And I was like, they drafted the card.

Speaker 7 (01:27:45):
She still gonna be made.

Speaker 5 (01:27:50):
This is ridiculous. I remember I remember her looking uh
into I think we were on FaceTime or something. I
remember her looking at Alex and being like, he's going
to bed now, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
And they're doing enough FaceTime so they can see each
other married.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
Or of facial expressions are important.

Speaker 5 (01:28:08):
We were we were.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
You just saying you like the pick or do you
mean it? I need to see your face.

Speaker 5 (01:28:13):
We were in a tough spot that night. We were
we were in a down boy, don't.

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
Do what to say.

Speaker 5 (01:28:20):
Oh no, the Patriots have drafted offensive lineman Cole Strange
from Chattanooga. Okay, we don't need to get it gets
worse from your.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
That is that his ransom?

Speaker 4 (01:28:32):
Yeah, black little blackmailed compromise. Kirk also says, I hope
they consider Tory Horton. His cop is DeVante Smith, and
if he didn't get injured, he would be a top
wide receiver in this draft. Do we agree with that? Assessments?

Speaker 8 (01:28:47):
Do you think you ever gets to the point where
the general sentiment be like they drafted too many wide receivers, like.

Speaker 7 (01:28:52):
They just people will never ever ever have enough.

Speaker 8 (01:28:55):
Wide receivers, like could just always give them.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
Concerning Sanders, I don't think any coaches signing off on
this legendary player because if they pick him, then in
one year Dion may be lurking around the corner for
their jobs. Of course, I.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
Do think that that's an element of this.

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
Yeah, of course, that's just part of it. The entitled
attitude is the main issue. I thought he was accurate
as I watched quite a few of his games. He
holds onto the ball because he thinks he can be
the hero and make every play.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
Did he say he thought he was inaccurate?

Speaker 4 (01:29:25):
No, he thought he was accurate.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
That's the one thing that most scouts are one hundred
percent agreement.

Speaker 4 (01:29:31):
He thought he was accurate. Do you think Dion has
the capacity to, on reflection say, you know what, I
might have really hurt my son.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:29:42):
No, yeah, yeah, I just wonder.

Speaker 7 (01:29:44):
I think the trains left the station on that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
Maybe in my enthusiasm because I think I actually hurt him.

Speaker 8 (01:29:52):
I mean that's I mean, as a dad, that's a
hard place to be, feeling like you screwed up your
son's chance at his tree.

Speaker 7 (01:29:59):
Like that's a really really hard place to be.

Speaker 8 (01:30:02):
I don't know, but it's hard to see him having
that kind of reflective attitude, and.

Speaker 7 (01:30:07):
Ultimately I think they're just going to blame the media.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
You know, and say it'll be it'll be someone else's fall.

Speaker 5 (01:30:13):
So the Jets are taking Malachai more the safety from Alabama,
so we'll remember Billy Bowman Malachai Moore. Yeah, go later
in the fourth round. So a little run on safeties
here in the fourth round.

Speaker 8 (01:30:28):
And what do I see on the track the ticker
there It is n E coming down the.

Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
Bend Teddy Buchanan.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
Yeah, ted Y. So you saw some reports periodically over
the course of said like the last six months where
what would make sense is, you know, hiring Dion and
then letting him be you know, like make it, make

(01:30:57):
it a package, you know, the giant, you know, get
rid of the table and let him. I don't think
that that's not part of this now. So I'm going
to have him as my backup quarterback and then head
coach and winning. Now, all of a sudden it doesn't
go well and I'm out, you know, and he's waiting
in the wings.

Speaker 7 (01:31:15):
And then the ownership's got to interview head coach candidates.

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
And I don't think that that's all that far fetched,
that that's I'm not telling you. That's the reason I'm
saying that some percentage.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
I heard somebody say, well, he's not going to do that.
He's got enough on his plate being the head coach
of Colorado. He'll find time. Oh yeah, he'll find time
to get involved.

Speaker 8 (01:31:35):
I mean, the whole Belichick at Falcons thing, I think
is a little bit of an example of that of
where the front office revolts a little bit because they
see it as a power play and that they're going
to lose power.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
They're going to lose my jobs.

Speaker 4 (01:31:46):
Yeah, and believe me, these guys are worried about that.

Speaker 7 (01:31:49):
Every day.

Speaker 4 (01:31:50):
Every day is an opportunity or a reason to it's.

Speaker 7 (01:31:54):
And it happens so fast.

Speaker 8 (01:31:55):
I think, like I really noticed it going to the
combine for I guess for five years or whatever it's
been now that it's just all of a sudden, there's
a new guy. Oh now, and now this guy is
the new head coach, and it's all it just.

Speaker 7 (01:32:05):
It changes so fast in this league.

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
It wouldn't be a show if we didn't have Christian
from LA and from LA to enrage everyone. What's up Christian?

Speaker 21 (01:32:15):
Yeah, hey you guys, good morning or good afternoon. Out
there where you guys are. I am in of course,
La La Land, where it's raining today, just like me,
and I just want to.

Speaker 15 (01:32:24):
Say this to the La and Christian La haters.

Speaker 21 (01:32:28):
I am not an actor. In case you guys having
been listening out there in radio land, I am the
owner of a personal assistant app called Wait Number for Me.
I am not an actor.

Speaker 15 (01:32:39):
I am in tech.

Speaker 4 (01:32:40):
I thought yesterday's performance was either alcohol infused. I thought
it was a little bit put on Christian.

Speaker 21 (01:32:48):
Whether you thought or not, I was angry because I
saw this team going in the wrong direction. I've been
a fan of team since nineteen seventy nine. I've met
Mit the Craft person, had a conversation with him. I've
been listening to this show for ten years. I've been
calling into this show for five years. And if I
was angry, it was because I thought Bravel doing what

(01:33:08):
I thought was going to make Tennessee Titans two point zero,
and it em raised me. Because I love this team.
I am in for this team and I will die
for this team on the football if I could, but
I can't. So the most the most I can do
is call and express myself, reprect my opinions. Now with that, says,
and I'm going to load my blood pressure. I do
like what we're doing. On the back end of the

(01:33:30):
of the draft. I'm turned around completely, Brabel, You're back
in life, good grace.

Speaker 15 (01:33:35):
I will say this, Williams meakingly. Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:33:39):
Tom Brady has secretly those two of my picks. I
do love wims that he's going to be a big
star for us. But I do wonder do we have
an aversion to guys that are six foot and above?
Why can't we ever draft a receiver of who's above
six foot?

Speaker 5 (01:33:53):
Would you rather above six foot receiver that can't get
open or a sub six foot receiver that does get open?

Speaker 4 (01:34:00):
And I but he's not alone a lot of no,
I'm not saying. But the thing is the six foot
plus receivers that that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
Can't get over those are the first round picks.

Speaker 6 (01:34:10):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
Well, that's that's my point, right, you know, like you're
not going to in the third round, you weren't going
to get Hey, you're not getting you know, Dk Metcalf
in the third round. That's the reason.

Speaker 15 (01:34:20):
Just for DK Metcalf Part two.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
Who you're talking about, Dante Thornton.

Speaker 15 (01:34:27):
This guy's DK Metcalf. Part two.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
Okay, based off what we'll see, maybe maybe there's another
guy like that that ends up happening. I think that
DK Metcalf is a little bit of an outliar, but
we'll see. Maybe this guy will be the DK Metcalf
Part two.

Speaker 5 (01:34:40):
You might be right, d DK Metcalf had much better
college production than done. Here's a much.

Speaker 21 (01:34:45):
Better college k Metcalf did not run three for either.

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
Yeah he did, Yeah he did.

Speaker 21 (01:34:51):
But so on Kyle Williams, before I go, do we
have that can keep hand fighting? Because that seems to
be the thing on kylein Williams that he good is
a great separated but he separates with his feet instead
of his hands at the line. You are why receiver
coaches have they had the sort of like it's part
of their background that they were good hand fighters at
the line.

Speaker 7 (01:35:11):
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:35:12):
I'm well, he's got a nice release package to his game.
But I would say to him, Christians is right that
I wouldn't call him a physical player. I think he's
he does. He wins with his feet, he wins with
speed and separation.

Speaker 8 (01:35:27):
Yeah, I'm like, I've been dying for this for years.
I have a guy who can win with his feet,
like you know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
No DeVante Parker, like just throwing balls up to him
and hope that he can out jump a guy or
you know, win a battle.

Speaker 7 (01:35:40):
Out physical people.

Speaker 3 (01:35:42):
Yeah, I'm not going to get bogged down. And you know,
well he needs to have better hand fighting at the
line to get off press. Man. If I watch him
at training camp and he doesn't look like he's one
of those guys that gets open. Aaron Dobson was a
guy that I watched in college. I didn't like him
because he didn't ever seem like he was open, whether
he used his hands or try to get open with
his feet, however you tried to do it, he didn't

(01:36:02):
get open. This guy when I watch him on highlights,
admittedly highlights which you're seeing a lot of good stuff,
he gets open.

Speaker 8 (01:36:09):
I mean, it's it's so simplified, but it's so true.
And I can't tell you how many training camps have
sat through where it's just you know, we watched the
practice and then we all meander down as we're waiting
for the interviews to begin, and you just hear that's
nobody open. Nobody can get open, like you just hear
people always saying that, and that's going to be the
number one thing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
That's there, goes Paul again, making fun of.

Speaker 7 (01:36:31):
I was thinking, to g gard is a big no
one's open guy. Yeah, I mean, he's all no One's open.

Speaker 5 (01:36:37):
I would just to you know, be tell the complete
story here about like that. That is the one concern
that you have is like playing through contact and play
strength and you know, dealing with physical coverage at this
level and all that kind of stuff. If he doesn't
work out, that's probably going to be why. It's probably
going to be because he can't get off press and

(01:36:58):
he can't get off physical coverage. So once we get
out the training camp, in real training camp with the
pads on and all that kind of stuff, let's see
what he looks like against Carlton Davis. Let's see, you know,
what he looks like against a physical corner that has
that kind of skill set, and we'll see if he
can get open against him. But that if that's what,
you know, that's the smallest he concern right now with
Kyle Williams in terms of you know, you look at

(01:37:19):
every prospect like if this guy fails, what will the
reason be If he fails, it's going to be you know, playstrained,
finishing through contact, that kind of stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:37:27):
Well, I mean put it in context too. You you
spoke yesterday about what they might need to do to
help Will Campbell out a little bit. And that's what
I think I'm hopeful with Josh McDaniels is that he's creative.
If Kyle WiM's having trouble getting off press or getting
and he's gonna get him away, he's gonna motion him,
he's gonna buy him some space so that he can
maybe build up some speed. So I have confidence that,

(01:37:48):
you know, Josh McDaniel's gonna be able to put these
pieces together.

Speaker 7 (01:37:50):
But man, he must be in the lab right now
just looking at Henderson. Oh yeah, we go this guy here,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:37:55):
What it's a great point about, you know, moving him
around the formation, and that's probably where his best long
term role is is playing off the line and letting
him you know, release off of stacks and bunch of
alignments and out of the slot and things like that
where he's going to get away from the physical coverage
a little bit and allow him to just get off
the line quickly. But you hope that he's able to
be pressed on the outside like he did a little

(01:38:16):
bit in college, and then that now that's a complete receiver.
Like now we're talking about a guy that can do
a little bit of everything that elevates his ceiling even more.
He showed flashes of it certainly at Washington, Sam he
ran right by Travis Hunter. Like I know we keep
bringing it up, but like that's those are the reps
when you watch him on the outside, when he beats
Travis Hunter and press and runs right by him, that

(01:38:38):
you say, well, if he can do that at the
next level, then this guy's going to be a real player.

Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
Scott and san Diego writes, And here's the transcript from
Christian from LA's conversation with mister Kraft. Christian, I own
six homes, including a villa and burritz in a mountain
estate and Aspen. Mister Craft, I don't care, pack up
your pup tent and get off my lawn. I think
something like that.

Speaker 7 (01:39:00):
I think Christians really leaned into into his.

Speaker 4 (01:39:03):
Well, that's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
I told you he's taking a heel turn.

Speaker 7 (01:39:05):
It's good.

Speaker 4 (01:39:05):
He's become a carriage.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
John Cena is like he's going hell all this.

Speaker 7 (01:39:10):
Time that I haven't heard before that.

Speaker 4 (01:39:12):
It's just we've had a couple of those over the
you know, Mark in the Bay was one embracing the embrace.

Speaker 3 (01:39:17):
He didn't take a heel turn though, he was just
always a heel.

Speaker 8 (01:39:20):
Yeah, he was harassedteric right, Mark with rank Ye, it's
like blood in the water.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
But these guys that are getting taken right you know,
late day two, day three wide receivers, they're they're they're
going to have like in the negative call, you know,
the strengths and weaknesses. The weaknesses are going to be visible.
That's why they're there. You know, the guy that everybody
wants this, you know, perfect prospect in Dante Thorton. What's
his negative I don't know. He caught like twenty passes

(01:39:51):
last year, but twenty five. Like, if I'm going to
have a guy that has some weaknesses, at least give
me some production and and Kyle Williams had that. I
would much rather have Kyle Williams than Thornton one hundred percent.

Speaker 5 (01:40:05):
I mean, I was totally on board with taking a
flyer on Thornton today, Like if they hadn't taken a
receiver yet and they just wanted to throw a fifth
round pick.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
On Dante's story, I'm enamored with that skill set, like
I like. I like the big as much as you
mock me, Mike. I like the big X. I like
the big outside guys that would get down the field
and the top off the defense and all that stuff.
I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:40:24):
But Calvin Johnson's is are hard to find.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
But you need to have some production to go with it.

Speaker 5 (01:40:29):
Yeah, I understand, you know, if you look at just
the raw measurables of him, you know, being similar to
the DK Metcalf strictly from a size speed ratio. But
DK Metcalf was the only reason why DK Metcalf fell
to the second round was because of injury. He had
an injury in college his last year, and so he
fell to the second round. He was a much better
prospect than Dante.

Speaker 4 (01:40:49):
Thorton, Brian says, whose attitude is were Shador Sanders or
Christian in La.

Speaker 5 (01:40:56):
I was gonna save me for a second.

Speaker 3 (01:40:58):
It's funny.

Speaker 5 (01:40:58):
I thought I was gonna say me, all right, that's good.

Speaker 4 (01:41:03):
See we laugh. But all these emails are coming in
about Christian from La.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
No. I know, you know, that's why I think he's
taking a heel turn.

Speaker 4 (01:41:11):
Good for him, engaged engagement.

Speaker 7 (01:41:13):
I like it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:14):
Henry writes in from Montana to the last callers point
that we can't draft a receiver over six feet the
kil Harry is six to Taekwon Thornton was six two.
How those picks go?

Speaker 5 (01:41:25):
Yeah, yeah, ye, though I've always just been I always,
I'm always just a sucker for the guys like Kyle
Williams like this, this the separators, the speed, good with
the ball in your hands like that. I would much
rather build around that kind of guy.

Speaker 12 (01:41:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:41:42):
I don't know if it's I've been scarred by some
of the Patriots picks, but for me, like the contested
catch guys, when that's their big trade, I just I
shy away from it. I feel like that's very specific
skill set that's hard to.

Speaker 7 (01:41:56):
Be consistent and sustain.

Speaker 8 (01:41:58):
And people talk about it like we absolute, well, you
need a jump ball guy, right, Like why why not
just have.

Speaker 7 (01:42:05):
Guys that can catch the ball and run with it?
That That to me is yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:42:08):
I mean, I'm not saying that if you want to
round out the room so you have one of those
guys in the room.

Speaker 8 (01:42:14):
Sides, But I'm find with Mac Collins, like, great, we
got a tall receiver who's playing special. Teams will throw
them on the outside for a couple of snaps the game,
but you know, for the most part, you want to
be doing it with your volume guys, and especially after
the catch. That's just where I think they've really struggled
to produce. I mean, I you talk about catch the
ball fall down with you know, back in the day,
with what was my old guys, Philip Dorsett.

Speaker 7 (01:42:37):
He was.

Speaker 3 (01:42:38):
Used to I like, I like how Dion did catch
the ball, get down, stayed he stayed healthy at least.

Speaker 4 (01:42:46):
Eddie and La. To the people upset about Kyle Williams size,
did they forget about Max Hollins. I know he's probably
reached his ceiling as a player, but he's still a
guy who proved himself for the league. And I'd rather
have Hollands than take a flare flyer, a big wide
receiver in the third round or after.

Speaker 5 (01:43:03):
Yeah, I just there weren't any receivers. And I said
this before the draft like numerous times, like the big
outside X receiver did not really exist in this draft
past Ted McMillan and Jaden Higgins, like those were the
two guys. I guess if you like Trey Harris from
Ole Miss, you could throw him in there too, But
he went fifty fit to the Chargers. You know, he
went early, so like there weren't a ton of that

(01:43:25):
in this draft. There was a lot more, you know,
Jalen Royals just went you know, obviously the Patriots drafted
Kyle Williams. Like there was a lot more of that
kind of receiver in this group, and there was like
the big outside guys. That's why Thornton went early. Like
Thornton went probably around earlier than I think he probably
should have, because they wanted that type of receiver and
they're just asn't any of them available, so they ended

(01:43:46):
up taking him a little bit earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
Royals to the Chiefs too, so.

Speaker 5 (01:43:50):
That's a good pick by them.

Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
Yeah, Jared Wright said, I checked out of the podcast
and following the team after the end of the season,
but I'm back now.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
Oh nice, right.

Speaker 4 (01:44:00):
Bottom line for me, we were the worst in our
division last year. Where do you think we are now?
I think we're a number two with a sniff.

Speaker 8 (01:44:09):
With a sniff, I mean, I would hope that they
can get ahead of the Jets with Justin Fields. I
just Miami to me is the interesting one because I
find Miami so frustrating because.

Speaker 7 (01:44:22):
I can't beat Tua.

Speaker 8 (01:44:24):
And but for some reason, Miami can never beat good teams,
you know, so the Patriots have never really been.

Speaker 7 (01:44:29):
A good team against Tua overall.

Speaker 8 (01:44:32):
But if there's something that Mike Vrabel wants to hang
his hat on with this team, I would hope it's.

Speaker 7 (01:44:36):
Beating a team like Miami at least here, especially if
it gets cold out.

Speaker 8 (01:44:40):
But you know, that's the toughness and you know, trying
to slow them down.

Speaker 7 (01:44:44):
They've just been powerless against you.

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
I think Miami's predict because you just don't. I think
there's so much uncertain Tyreek Hill.

Speaker 7 (01:44:50):
Back, Is he not back?

Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
Yeah? If Tua, if you're gonna tell me Tua is
gonna like be there, be dependable and be reliable and
they know it and everything falls accordingly, then I think
there'll be a tough out.

Speaker 4 (01:45:04):
But like, here's what you can't do that. Here's a prediction.
In April prediction for the twenty twenty five season. By November,
no later than Thanksgiving, we're gonna be talking about Mike
McDaniel being on the hot seat.

Speaker 5 (01:45:17):
Clay Robinson to the Broncos those edges.

Speaker 3 (01:45:21):
I'm not throwing my eyes. I think he was on
the hot seat last year. I just don't think it's
all that, you know, bold of a pit. I mean,
I gets hurt again he's going to be on the
hot seat. I mean he just signed an extension last
year and he was on the hot seat. Daniel.

Speaker 8 (01:45:36):
We get so many calls like acting to predict, like
what the record's going to be, what's the floor, what's
the ceiling?

Speaker 7 (01:45:42):
All that, like maybe to oversimplify it.

Speaker 8 (01:45:44):
And I'm a big look at the division guy to
the playoffs, goes through the division, you win your division,
you get in. But I look at Miami as maybe
like a good barometer this year, like can you can
you get over that.

Speaker 7 (01:45:54):
Hump a little bit? Can you figure out to can
you solve that?

Speaker 8 (01:45:57):
Because they just whenever that offenses humming with Tua, the
Patriots have just seemed like, man, we can't like he's
completely like ninety percent of his passes, like it's just drop.

Speaker 5 (01:46:06):
The game down to Miami. Last year was brutal.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
I mean I was fairly competitive, and I don't.

Speaker 8 (01:46:11):
Get it because then you watch another team that's good
and they go up against them, and you're like, where
is this Miami team when the Patriots play them? Somehow
the Patriots could never force them to be that team.
And you know, with very able the toughness, the speed
that they're adding the aggressiveness on defense. I also wonder
we talk about this a lot with the Patriots defense
in the past, relying more on two gapping when you

(01:46:31):
have Tua who gets the ball out quick and you're
not even in the zip code of disrupting him when
he's getting that ball out under two seconds. Maybe now
with this defensive shift, they're going to be more aggressive
getting after him. You're gonna have Milton Williams, Christian Barmore
getting up field and causing that kind of quick hesitation
where you see then it unravels for Tua in some
games that the Patriots frankly, just haven't been able to

(01:46:52):
get them to.

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
I think the Patriots will have every opportunity to move
ahead of the Jets and the Dolphins, but I'm not
telling you that they will. I mean there's a lot
of uncertainty, and we're talking about Toola being hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:47:04):
Well, I'm what.

Speaker 3 (01:47:05):
If these other guys for the Patriots that were relying
on get hurt, Like last year the Patriots had some.

Speaker 4 (01:47:10):
Injuries, then I'll have an excuse they would have no.

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
No, no, I know that I'm this is like, this
is sort of answering the email. Not you know, you're
like unabashed if you can't do that on draft weekend.
I mean, really, there's no call for that. If you
can't do it.

Speaker 8 (01:47:27):
Now, there's been some pretty bad dress I wasn't wooing
that much, but.

Speaker 5 (01:47:32):
I don't know. It does make me feel optimistic, though,
because we're so close to the Patriots and so close
to the team that sometimes it's it's good to listen
to what some of the national guys feel about what
they've done and they're especially at the end of last night,
there were a lot of people that I saw Brett
Coleman he posted the Patriots offensive depth chart, and we're like, okay,

(01:47:53):
like they I can see, you know, where they're kind
of going with this, Like there's some pieces here now
that I like, and and so that's always good to
see people on the national stage that have no allegiances
whatsoever to the Patriots and have no you know, fan
in there. I just feel like there's a.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
Lot of that, and I see, I feel we talked
about this before the show. I feel there's way more
excitement around the Patriots right now in this you know,
in the Vrabel sort of clarival than there has been
in recent years. But like, I can go back last
year and find the Sports Illustrated guy Connor or who
picked the Patriots to win the division, you know, And

(01:48:32):
I'm just like I could do that too. I work here,
and I can get on board and I can be all,
you know, over the top enthusiastic and you know, embrace
mysunshine dot com persona. But I just don't believe that.
I never believed that the Patriots were in the same
stratosphere as the Bills. So how am I gonna put
pick them to beat the Bills last year? I'm not

(01:48:53):
even talking about now, this was two years ago. Like
there's no way.

Speaker 12 (01:48:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:59):
So, I I don't really like the fact that that
national guys are embracing what they're doing. I don't really care.
But around here I do care, yea. And the groundswell
of sort of enthusiasm and excitement with the people that
the same people that have been really down the last
two years, winning four games each of the last few years.
Those same people are now starting to say, hey, there's

(01:49:21):
a chance. There was an argument between Mark Bertrand and
Phil Perry the other day yesterday about where the Patriots
could potentially be picking. Beatle was saying that they should
have been interested in that kind of a trade that
the Browns and the Jags did, right, and his reasoning
was they shouldn't be expecting to have a high pick
in next year's draft. They should be expecting to win eight,

(01:49:42):
nine ten games and be in the playoffs. And Phil
Perry said, wow, I mean, that's really optimistic that you're
potentially giving away another top ten pick, and that was
sort of the crux of their argument. No, it's not
going to be a top ten pick, and it was
a legitimate argument that Bertrand was saying, No, they're not
going to pick in the top ten next year. They've
done too much much. Not that I'm taking their word

(01:50:05):
as gospel, but I'm much more interested in those guys
because those are the guys that have been really down
about the state of the team and where it's been
in the lack of talent, because they see what they
did in free agency, and they're heading into a draft
where they get Will Campbell and now they pick up
a couple other pieces on Day two. I think there's
legit excitement and enthusiasm. Our numbers is showing it. Yeah,

(01:50:27):
especials that are listening and watching way higher than last year.

Speaker 5 (01:50:30):
Especially the it's easy to forget about what they did
in free agency and the fact that they went out
and signed Milton Williams, who was probably the top free
agent in the entire class this year. And they added
Carlton Davis too, as a starting caliber corner on the outside. Like,
they added the pieces on defense that got the defense operational,
and now you hope that these picks work out and

(01:50:53):
they hit on a couple of these guys on offense,
and then the offense is suddenly operational as well. So
there's a lot of reason to be very like I
I kind of come down on it. You know, I
was talking to Barth about this yesterday. I kind of like,
we're almost afraid to be too excited about what they've
done because you don't want to get too worked up
about it and too you know, pom pom wavy. But

(01:51:14):
the point is, I like I've loved their drafts so far,
like I really have. I think they've done a really
nice job like that.

Speaker 4 (01:51:20):
That's the whole thing. It's it's you see the vision,
you see the method, you know, whereas in the past
is like it was, okay, you know, we rightfully questioned
like what are we doing? Like where's the plan?

Speaker 7 (01:51:35):
That's right, I mean, but you see.

Speaker 4 (01:51:36):
Some logic to what's happening here.

Speaker 8 (01:51:39):
I think there's just momentum building, and it's been building.
I mean really since the team hired Mike Frabel, who
is beloved around here, who I think is really seen
as one of the key pieces of the dynasty and
and really representing what people love most about that early
Patriots dynasty with the first three championships. But between bringing bringing,

(01:51:59):
in between the free agency period and now the draft,
they've really stacked some some strong moves that that I
think everybody.

Speaker 7 (01:52:07):
Sees the method of the madness we traded.

Speaker 4 (01:52:10):
Yeah, I think we we might have a little action.

Speaker 3 (01:52:13):
We are on the board. We are on the board
right now.

Speaker 4 (01:52:15):
Okay, we are.

Speaker 5 (01:52:18):
Give me that edge. Give me that edge, Elliot.

Speaker 4 (01:52:22):
We traded with Seattle to get to one thirty seven.

Speaker 5 (01:52:26):
All right, give them to me.

Speaker 4 (01:52:28):
Okay, and we hopped over the forty nine ers.

Speaker 7 (01:52:31):
Yeah, it looks like they still have that eighth pick
in the fifth round.

Speaker 4 (01:52:34):
So we got some action here, pick us in, pick
us in.

Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
All right, the red light is on and okay tell
me now, you just tell me.

Speaker 4 (01:52:44):
Who I'm told that. They're on the phone with the
player right now. So good stuff. Re action at the
end of the hour here.

Speaker 7 (01:52:52):
See Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:52:54):
Yeah, the action is the juice.

Speaker 8 (01:52:55):
Action is the Jews wondering maybe they they maybe they
ditched that.

Speaker 7 (01:52:59):
Uh that's third fifth pick that they had.

Speaker 4 (01:53:02):
Pick is in.

Speaker 7 (01:53:03):
Who's it going to be?

Speaker 3 (01:53:05):
We don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:53:08):
Okay, there's the room, we're still waiting.

Speaker 7 (01:53:11):
Where's no socks? They got them out, they kicked them
out today.

Speaker 4 (01:53:14):
Yeah. I think this is a I think this will
be a good harvest this pick. Oh, yes, you know,
you reap what you sew.

Speaker 7 (01:53:24):
Then, like in Iowa.

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
Maybe oh the tight end from Iowa. Watchy ch wlackie.

Speaker 4 (01:53:31):
I'm not I'm not saying.

Speaker 3 (01:53:33):
They traded one for four and two thirty eight for
one thirty seven according to the Twitter machine.

Speaker 8 (01:53:43):
Okay, thirty eight, that's that was their last pick of
the draft. Correct, So they ended a little earlier, preparently
Old McDonald, I'm gonna guess that I don't know with
the player.

Speaker 7 (01:54:02):
I don't know the player the Freds.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
With Fred's, we're definitely into the point. The only guys
I know now with skill, guys like the Stanford receiver
I knew, I O manner Yoh okay.

Speaker 5 (01:54:16):
The phone call us concluded, well, I have the trade details,
but we do not have the player that they pay.

Speaker 4 (01:54:22):
Well, okay, well, I could be getting wrong information, so
I don't want to throw it out.

Speaker 7 (01:54:30):
I hope you're not Fred. That would be oh wow,
oh wow, oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:54:38):
Oh have a draft. Let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:54:42):
Heck yeah, okay.

Speaker 7 (01:54:45):
Heck yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:54:47):
The pick is in. Uh it's Joshua Farmer.

Speaker 5 (01:54:50):
Joshua Farmer from Florida State. Elliott Wolf and Mike Rable
take a bow. You got Deuce his edge rusher. He's
happy over there. We're all happy about this one. A
couple of things that stand out to me about Joshua Farmer.
First of all, we talk a lot about arm length
in this draft class for a good reason. There at
the top, Joshua Farmer, I believe I'm pulling it up

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right now, has thirty five inch arms, So this guy
has a ton of length. Is a developmental prospect, I
would say, with great raw measurables six foot three, three
hundred and five pounds, thirty five inch arms. I wrote
a plus play strength, snap quickness, good initial get off
and pop into engagements on the line of scrimmage. So

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this is a guy that can really get up the field,
separate get off blocks and has a lot of developmental upside.
I think there's some technique things that he's going to
have to improve upon as we progress here. But all
Deuce and I wanted was somebody that Terrell Williams and
Mike Rabel could sink their teeth into and develop and
get the most out of potentially down the road. And

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Joshua Farmer certainly checks all of those boxes. A guy
that's got some real upside to his so.

Speaker 4 (01:56:02):
On on on the TV Leo ortiz Uh he plays
for Flamenco. I think is the one of the top
Brazilian soccer teams announced the pick from Brazil.

Speaker 7 (01:56:13):
That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, I like it.

Speaker 8 (01:56:17):
I mean it's looked still some uncertainty with Christian Barmore
as well, and you know, adding in another layer of this.
I don't know if he's necessarily you know, you're gonna
play pure edge. Seems to me a little bit more
like an interior.

Speaker 3 (01:56:29):
Guy I listened as a defensive tackle.

Speaker 8 (01:56:31):
Yeah so, but but even still, I think this is,
you know, just getting some youth, getting, as Evan said,
a piece of you know, raw guy that that they can.

Speaker 4 (01:56:39):
I like our draft room, they're not all like, well
they already did it. Now there's first stop it.

Speaker 3 (01:56:46):
On the first pick, they all got up because we
saw no socks. He was part of it. Yeah, they
all got up and they were all shaking hands and
hugging and stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:56:53):
I was like, we've just produced daft up.

Speaker 3 (01:56:55):
And no, no, no, no, he was there in the background.

Speaker 4 (01:56:59):
So everybody is wearing these orange T shirts and all
the draft rooms it says your light lives on in
all of us. And then it's the initial CCT under it.
So but this is like league wide, like I see it.
It's in all the draft rooms. So I don't know
who or what CCT is. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:57:19):
So just to let everybody know, the Patriots still have
the eighth pick and the fifth round. Yeah, they're coming up,
so we'll coming back up. Can we make an executive decision?
We'll hang on to this pick, Freddie. Yeah, I know
we said we would be done at too, but we
should probably stick around. We got one and then it's
to the top of the fifth round and then you
got the mic just so donut.

Speaker 8 (01:57:35):
Yeah, well, I think they still have thirty five in
this round.

Speaker 7 (01:57:39):
So it is I mean, it's a little bit of
it the whole sixth.

Speaker 4 (01:57:43):
So in that case, let's take a break, Matt. We'll
come back. We will. It's one fifty seven, but we're
going to stick around until that that other pick in
the fifth round for the Patriots, but they've added Joshua Farmer.

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Speaker 7 (02:03:11):
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Soak it up in the hotel.

Speaker 4 (02:03:13):
Absolutely, that's it. Okay, So Joshua the latest.

Speaker 3 (02:03:19):
Mister Kraft.

Speaker 4 (02:03:20):
The fourth round has ended. We're now in the fifth round.
The Patriots are at and now we're at pick.

Speaker 3 (02:03:32):
If Fred. Here's your thing with the T shirts.

Speaker 4 (02:03:35):
So what does it mean though, that's a that's a
person something from Nolins.

Speaker 3 (02:03:40):
I think it's all over the league. Yeah, that's Indy.

Speaker 7 (02:03:44):
It's out for Shudure.

Speaker 4 (02:03:46):
So maybe somehow they stacked.

Speaker 3 (02:03:47):
Their board vertically and horizontally.

Speaker 4 (02:03:49):
There Pete Carroll in the shirt. So maybe somebody who
is listening to the broadcast can tell us what it means.
We have is CCT we would know.

Speaker 8 (02:04:02):
Yeah, they had his name up briefly the picture of
Oh I per see that it was.

Speaker 7 (02:04:06):
Yeah, I'm not sure who he was though.

Speaker 4 (02:04:07):
Okay, it's very nice to day there in Green Bay. So,
as I said, the fourth round is over, we're into
the fifth round now. The pick is in for the
Panthers at one forty The Patriots are sitting at one
forty six. So it's just a matter of time now
before we have our our second, our third pick of the.

Speaker 3 (02:04:31):
Two picks in the fifth second already, Yeah, third of
the third pick of this.

Speaker 5 (02:04:35):
So they have one forty six in one seventy one
in the fifth round, and then two twenty round out
the draft.

Speaker 4 (02:04:41):
So we've picked a safety, we've picked a defensive tackle
or defensive line.

Speaker 7 (02:04:47):
I think he's I think he's just an interior.

Speaker 4 (02:04:49):
So Elliott talked about going defense on Day three so far.

Speaker 8 (02:04:55):
Yeah, I mean, look, look, I will be consistent, like
I do, like that they draft the defense. But again,
like my concerns is pass rush and not that you're
going to have elite pass rushers here as we get
into the fifth round, it's not really it doesn't matter
now to it doesn't matter, probably probably missed your run though,
because you guys, you and haven't seen to be talking
about a different edge guy.

Speaker 3 (02:05:15):
They're in the middle of that fourth round. Every pitch scene,
you know, look, but they trade it so.

Speaker 7 (02:05:20):
Maybe you know, if they're gotten a little bit.

Speaker 3 (02:05:22):
More aggressive, they're going to trade it up a little higher.
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (02:05:25):
Yeah, yeah, I mean he's certainly not a pure edge
guy like this isn't a screamer off the edge, you know,
two point stance or anything like that kind of guy.
But I do think he's disruptive, and he uses his
length well to just separate from blocks and has good
upper body twitch and strength to be able to shed
and do those types of things on the interior. And
they they are going to be a four down defense.

(02:05:46):
They're going to play a lot of traditional four to
three if you want to call it that, and they're
gonna need lineman that can play with their hand in
the dirt, and that's certainly what Farmer is. I think
he can play some end as well as play some
defensive tackle. You'll play some three technique. But I like
his versatility up and down the line of scrimmage a lot,
just not He's not going to be all the way

(02:06:07):
outside the tackle, you know, rushing off the edge. That's
not going to be his game.

Speaker 4 (02:06:11):
Let's go to the phones while we wait for the
Patriots pick. Here in the fifth round. Q is in Atlanta.
What's up? Q?

Speaker 15 (02:06:20):
Hey, I got some caller and caller smoke.

Speaker 22 (02:06:22):
Okay, nice Christian in LA. But this is this is
more for all the Twitter gms and everyone that, oh,
this player can't do this and this player can't do that.

Speaker 15 (02:06:33):
Before they even hit the field, guys, just please stop it.
You guys are not gms, you're not coaches, you don't
talk to scouts. Those guys would stop it at least
like these guys get on the field seat, but they
can do first and then secondly, what do you think
that we should do at kicker? I don't know if
you guys remember with Mike Rabel kind of hinted that
he's had kind of bad LUCKI kickers.

Speaker 23 (02:06:54):
Do you think they.

Speaker 15 (02:06:54):
Go with a kicker today if one of them goes undrafted,
or do you think they go to night game?

Speaker 12 (02:06:59):
Thank god?

Speaker 4 (02:06:59):
Okay, kicker. It's definitely in need right.

Speaker 3 (02:07:02):
Yeah, Yeah, they'll definitely add one to the roster. I
don't know if they'll draft one or if they just
signed one, but they're not gonna go with just the
kid that finished the season on the practice.

Speaker 5 (02:07:14):
Yeah, there are some draftable kickers in this in this draft,
better called Miami, better call sauls is out there, Ben Saul's,
Andre Borgalis is from Miami, Ryan Fitzgerald from Florida State
or the three guys that I think most people believe
are draftable. And maybe with that seventh round pick, you know,
they they traded to thirty eight, their very last seventh

(02:07:36):
round pick, but they held on. They still currently have
two twenty, so you wonder if that pick might be
or marked for one of those kickers to take one
of those guys. But Borgalis is considered the best kicker
in the draft. He's the most consistent within fifty yards.
But he's he's might might go a little bit earlier
than that. Like the fifth round tends to be a

(02:07:57):
specialist round, and I could see him coming soon. But Fitzgerald,
all three of these guys, they worked out all three
of them, so they've showed some interest in all the kickers.

Speaker 7 (02:08:07):
I believe they'll draft one.

Speaker 8 (02:08:09):
Just listening to Jeremy Springer a couple of weeks ago,
it seems like they're taking this very seriously, trying to
find the next kicker, trying to find some stability long
termam at that position, which is something they haven't had.
I guess, I mean, I guess Nick Folk was here
and that was fairly consistent. Not here that long, but
he was a consistent kicker for him. But I think
it's a goal of this organization to get some stability

(02:08:30):
back in that position. They could wait till undrafted and
sign one of these guys, but I think how they've
talked about it.

Speaker 7 (02:08:36):
It seems like they might see a guy want him and.

Speaker 4 (02:08:39):
Just tim and California fills us in on the shirts.
The Colts on Saturday honored CHORL. Turpining, the late wife
of Colts director of college Scouting Matt Turpining, by having
staff in their draft room wear shirts reading your Light
Lives Lives in on all of us during the fifth
round of the twenty twenty five NFL Draft. She died

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on April twelfth in Louisville while attending a volleyball tournament
with her daughters. Those looking to honor Turpening's legacy can
donate to the Hamilton County Human Society. You can read
her a bit. Okay, so there's links, but that's the
story behind the shirts.

Speaker 3 (02:09:16):
That's awful.

Speaker 8 (02:09:17):
Yeah, yeah, I mean you notice as soon as the
fifth round started, it seemed like teams started putting those
shirts on.

Speaker 4 (02:09:22):
Yep. Cynthia says, we can get the kicker from the
UFL ask barth.

Speaker 5 (02:09:32):
I'll leave the kickers in the UFL.

Speaker 12 (02:09:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:09:34):
I'm not going to get into the individual one, but
I would just say in terms of draft not draft.
If there's one guy that they've identified this is the
guy we have to have, then draft them. My guess
is that's not the case, and you just you know,
figure out who's left and then and be aggressive and

(02:09:55):
sign one.

Speaker 7 (02:09:56):
Offer the opportunity to compete.

Speaker 5 (02:09:58):
I mean, I asked me Springer when we talked to him, Uh,
when was that a couple of months ago now? And
I said, do you guys see draftable kickers? You know,
do you have draftable grades on any kickers? And uh,
he said, you know, draftable and undrafted. And he made
a point to mention that they've also been looking at
guys that they project as you know, rookie free agents

(02:10:19):
as well. So I think they are probably He made
it sound like they're comfortable going either way, you know,
if they have to if it ends up being a
ud FA, they they're prepared for that.

Speaker 4 (02:10:28):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (02:10:29):
Good either way. They if they like one enough to
draft them, then draft them. Don't don't leave it for chance.

Speaker 8 (02:10:34):
It's the fifth round the spot, isn't it isn't there
like a history of drafting kickers in the fifth round.

Speaker 5 (02:10:39):
Sam Howell got traded. Cool Sam Howel and the Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (02:10:44):
Yeah, he was with Seattle.

Speaker 5 (02:10:45):
Yeah, now he's in Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (02:10:48):
Okay, oh that makes sense for both both teams. That
might be quite a bit of a glut.

Speaker 8 (02:10:53):
Good friends with Drake may right, and maybe we have
they're shoint practices this year at Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (02:10:57):
And something that's look at that they have, you have
something to so they have that friends. So Drake, you
know him, right, they're like best best friends. Your banner
is right next to mine at the stadium.

Speaker 5 (02:11:12):
Like like vacation together. Tight.

Speaker 3 (02:11:15):
Yeah yeah really yeah that close.

Speaker 4 (02:11:16):
Yeah, let's see. Walter R. Walker writes in from Berkshire County. Uh,
the skill set of these draft picks are strikingly different
than previous years. I'm excited Rabel really understood that the
offense needed the first four picks. Henderson and Williams are
surely electric. Offensive line improves vastly. McDaniels is back. This

(02:11:39):
is most certainly an LFG moment for Patriots Nation.

Speaker 5 (02:11:43):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:11:43):
And by the way, this whole Sanders saga is so interesting.
I can't help myself. It started as a humbling experience
and now it's turning into this. It's funny and terrible
drama at its fine at so many layers, so much drama.
Never seen anything like this, I agree, I haven't either.

Speaker 8 (02:11:58):
I mean, geez, we're in the fifth round now, which
just makes you think that's unprecedented. Yeah, there's it's not
just about the player, you know, on the field, what
he did.

Speaker 7 (02:12:09):
Yeah, hey, is that Germany?

Speaker 3 (02:12:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (02:12:13):
Is that just now than.

Speaker 3 (02:12:17):
Madrid?

Speaker 4 (02:12:17):
Yeah? Yeah, very different. That's right. The Dolphins are getting rid.
I haven't announced who they're playing yet, right, No.

Speaker 8 (02:12:25):
No, no, So that's the schedule that they announce. The
schedule's gonna come out with what May fourteenth?

Speaker 4 (02:12:29):
I think was that what the day was, So that's
what they're saying. Yeah, yeah, good.

Speaker 3 (02:12:34):
Dolphins have another guy named Jordan Phillips.

Speaker 5 (02:12:36):
At one point, there's another Jordan Phillers, maybe on the
Bills at least twice.

Speaker 3 (02:12:40):
I think he was on the I thought he was
on the Dolphins.

Speaker 7 (02:12:43):
He might have been a cup of coffee.

Speaker 4 (02:12:45):
So Miami's pick at one forty three, Patriots is sitting
at one forty six, So we're getting closer.

Speaker 7 (02:12:53):
Just a few picks. Uh, yeah, he was. He was
one of my other one of my big board guys,
what's the same, same kind.

Speaker 3 (02:12:58):
Of started his career in Miami.

Speaker 5 (02:12:59):
Yeah, I liked I could see them. Farmer and Phillips
are are a little similar. Farmers longer, I think that
that's that's sort of what tipped me towards him a
little bit, has a little bit more length and ability
to get off blocks. As a result, I like both
of them, though. I thought Phillips was a fun player
to watch too.

Speaker 4 (02:13:19):
Trade Alert Walter in Ukraine. When was the last draft
results for the Patriots that we were this excited about.

Speaker 3 (02:13:27):
I don't really time.

Speaker 5 (02:13:29):
Yeah, not since I started covering the team, Like you
have to go back to when Belichick was Yeah, when
he was on a roll.

Speaker 3 (02:13:37):
You know, I was pretty I was pretty first round
picks Yeah, yeah, that might be.

Speaker 8 (02:13:42):
One Jones and high Tower. I mean, you really just
remade the front of the defense with that first round
of that draft.

Speaker 4 (02:13:50):
Ryan and Colorado wants to know what Jared being a
physical freak, any chance he could play some full back
if he loses the center battle.

Speaker 5 (02:13:58):
Maybe yeah, maybe some unbalanced line, you know, six sixth
offensive lineman. No, no as any experience, but running out
of the backfield. But I could see him, see him
playing on the end of the line as a jumpo tight.

Speaker 7 (02:14:11):
I'm really intrigued by him.

Speaker 8 (02:14:12):
Like he wasn't a guy I spent much time, you know,
in passing looked at, you know.

Speaker 7 (02:14:16):
Just his blurbs.

Speaker 8 (02:14:17):
But just like I said at the top, the combination
of size and athleticism just really intriguing. You're only scratching
the surface one year starter. You don't even know what
he possibly could be, but he has all the traits
that you're looking for at that position.

Speaker 7 (02:14:30):
And again to just stress the size of it, like there's.

Speaker 8 (02:14:33):
So many monstrous interior players when we talk all the
time about the guys that like whole strange struggle with,
you know, to have that kind of size in the middle,
I think would be a real, real benefit for the offense.

Speaker 4 (02:14:46):
Yeah, let's get to the phones.

Speaker 3 (02:14:49):
We'll go to hold place on the walk again. That
Cleveland Brown's trade at one overall to select anyone.

Speaker 4 (02:15:03):
So the Browns did, in fact finally get Schador Sanders.

Speaker 5 (02:15:07):
So they took Dylan Gabriel and Shadoor Sander. They took Dylan,
so they took Dylan Gable first when most people had
Shador as the better prospect right than Dylan Gabriel. So
now they took two backup quarterbacks essentially. But good for
good good thing.

Speaker 3 (02:15:23):
I'm glad you got drafted, and I'm glad we can
finally stop. But uh, it is kind of interesting, like
Dylan Gabriel. If they didn't take Dylan Gabriel, I'd say, wow,
Cleveland really worked this perfection. You got a guy that
someone thought they could have taken it with the second
pick of the draft in the fifth round. Yeah, so
it sounds like double dip backup quarterback.

Speaker 8 (02:15:45):
It's I mean, it's fascinating, like you know, he's the
third string behind another rookie. Like I mean, you guys
know how these things like reps are divvied up a
certain way like all these.

Speaker 5 (02:15:53):
Yeah, I mean it's not quite as Uh, he didn't
have quite as big of a fault, but it reminds
me of Malik Willis, Like and that's why I pulled
it up. But Blake will Willis went in the third round.
He went eighty sixth overall. But there was a ton
of talk that Malik Willison in twenty twenty two is
gonna go number one overall in the draft, and he
ended up falling all the way to the third round.
It's very similar to me in terms of the hype

(02:16:14):
from the media of what they everyone thought the player
was going to be and then where the player ended
up actually going is similar to me to Malik but
even later for Shaudor.

Speaker 3 (02:16:24):
Also, the fact that they traded to get into the
spot is interesting to me.

Speaker 8 (02:16:29):
Cleveland maybe they thought, now you have to have them.

Speaker 5 (02:16:34):
It's going to take them.

Speaker 3 (02:16:35):
You had all those chances to take and you were
telling everybody right he didn't care. Yeah, it's it's an
interesting trade for me. Hmm.

Speaker 4 (02:16:47):
Okay, So Cleveland takes Shador Sanders.

Speaker 7 (02:16:50):
I mean, I can't wait to see what he has
to say, how they roll them out.

Speaker 5 (02:16:54):
I'm not ruling out that Shador goes on and has
a serviceable NFL career as a starter. I know, going
into fifth round makes it sound like there's no chance
of that happening, because its very seldom does. But I
don't rule it out with him that he could actually
end up going to have having a decent career.

Speaker 7 (02:17:13):
And Who's who's the Browns quarterback right now?

Speaker 3 (02:17:16):
Kenny Picknick, Joe Flacco, Kenny pick At, Dylan Gabriel, and
Shedas Sanders is their depth chart right? So I don't know.
I think I think it's it's interesting.

Speaker 8 (02:17:31):
Yeah, I mean it's and it's just kind of starting
like how this has all started off. I'm just I'm
so curious to watch Howard unfolds me knowing last year
not entirely same situation, but just what we talked about
with Drake May and Joe Milton in the same building,
in the same draft class, and I just know.

Speaker 3 (02:17:45):
Pittsburgh's like lost an opportunity. I think you had the
best of both worlds. You can get that guy who
might turn out to be something developmental wise without having
to use a significant pick. I just feel like that
was a lost opportunity.

Speaker 4 (02:18:00):
Let's go to the podium and here the reaction, uh
to the announcement.

Speaker 1 (02:18:04):
Right on the clock one they passed on Shador one, two, three, four, five,
six times and including the leading and Annolly Gabriel last
night ninety four to complete the Heisman Trophy finalist quartet
from Manhattan being drafted in this draft the other.

Speaker 4 (02:18:22):
So they said reaction, the reaction in.

Speaker 2 (02:18:28):
The draft Hall says.

Speaker 4 (02:18:30):
It all figure car.

Speaker 3 (02:18:32):
They didn't know, they didn't know who was gonna.

Speaker 19 (02:18:34):
Do it, and by we, I'm I'm in putting every
human on the screen, every single person whos been watching
the draft cover which anyone else's grawership around draft well.

Speaker 6 (02:18:49):
Happen.

Speaker 4 (02:18:49):
Maybe if you're a fan, you think you just got
the steal of the draft.

Speaker 5 (02:18:52):
Yeah, I can hear.

Speaker 4 (02:18:54):
You know, like, based on the pre draft analysis, you
can make that case very easily that this was the
absolute steal of the draft.

Speaker 7 (02:19:04):
I'm sure there's interestincs that that that he is.

Speaker 5 (02:19:07):
I I it's a it's a fair point. Like, I
definitely feel like he was docking multiple rounds from whatever
happened in the pre draft process from January to now,
you know, whether it was the interviews, whether it was
Dion wh whatever it was, I think it docked him
at least a couple of rounds easily. So you might
feel like, would you feel a lot different as a

(02:19:27):
Browns fan? You know, if you drafted him in the
second or third round and then the fifth probably and
if you think that he probably should have gone in
the second or third round instead, then you feel like
you might have gotten a guy.

Speaker 4 (02:19:37):
Well. The only thing I'd be upset now if I
was a Browns fan is well, we could have had
another player instead of Gabriel instead of Games, right, the
Gabriel pick was strange.

Speaker 3 (02:19:45):
It's more strange now, but it was strange when they
made it. Agree It's like he's really small, Yeah, yeah,
Gabriel so and he's lefty.

Speaker 5 (02:19:54):
Oh he's fast though, he's a good runner.

Speaker 7 (02:19:57):
We likes that Patriots are on the clock.

Speaker 4 (02:19:59):
Yeah, Patriots on the Eagles pick is in. What do
you think sticking with defense here?

Speaker 5 (02:20:06):
Tight end?

Speaker 7 (02:20:08):
I think tight ends a good call.

Speaker 5 (02:20:09):
Tight end.

Speaker 7 (02:20:09):
I think tight ends a good call.

Speaker 3 (02:20:10):
Tight ends.

Speaker 5 (02:20:12):
There are some tight ends left. Gadson from Syracuse's left,
Mitchell Evans from Notre Dame, who's coming off that injury.
H CJ. DePree, Thomas Fadoni. Uh, but Mitchell Evans, I
think is really interesting if they do go tight end.
I have no idea if they will, but if they do.
He had the torn a cl in twenty three, so

(02:20:33):
he had last year was the first year back from
the a CL. So you hope that, you know, maybe
with some space in between it, then you know he'll
be the player he was before the a cl injury.
He was thought of as a as a guy that
was going to go pretty high when he you know,
was coming out and developing at Notre Dame mac McWilliam

(02:20:54):
is a good pick by Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 3 (02:20:56):
You just said you don't even have to look at
the team. Yeah, you see that the players come up
that you know at this stage of the draft, and
you're like, well, Baltimore took him.

Speaker 5 (02:21:03):
I could have seen the Patriots taking him, you know.
So I'm not surprised that the Eagles took him the
pick before the Patriots. But Woodson I think maybe ruled
that out, and you know, picking kind of a nickel
safety already, they probably weren't going to double up on that.
But I really liked mac McWilliams at the senior.

Speaker 7 (02:21:18):
Parts a lot about him.

Speaker 5 (02:21:19):
Yeah, scrappy player, really good cover corner, could play in
the slot and probably at the NFL level.

Speaker 4 (02:21:27):
Let's see Connor Wrights. And not only did the Browns
draft dealing Gabriel before Shador Sanders, but they also traded
out of Travis Hunter. I can't stand Dion in all
the hype and nonsense around this whole thing, But I
hope Chador can find success after this. Maybe he's humbled
and a little embarrassed and can turn it into motivation.
The Browns, as always make head scratching decisions.

Speaker 3 (02:21:50):
I like everything they did except for the Gabriel pick.
I can be absolutely talked into the trade that they
made early in the I know I'm in the minority,
and that's okay. You have you got the ability to
get a developmental quarterback anyway. I just I think they
could have gotten a player that might have been able
to help them instead of Gabriel.

Speaker 5 (02:22:12):
I mean, obviously they had to have thought that wasn't
going to be here, right.

Speaker 3 (02:22:16):
Yeah, I mean I think, I mean this is hindsight
because you don't know at the time, but I just
thought that Gabriel was a kind of a Gabriel to
me was a seventh round pick. Yeah, if he were
going to do it, I agree. So small, and he
was very productive in college. He was he was good
at in all three schools that he played at. He
was a good player.

Speaker 5 (02:22:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:22:33):
I think you started at UCF right, and he went
to Oklahoma in Oregon. He's a good college player. I
just think he's going to be too small.

Speaker 4 (02:22:41):
Yeah, the Patriots pick is in, so we'll we'll hear
what it is momentarily.

Speaker 8 (02:22:48):
Yeah, if i'm if I might just share in a
quick story that Alex if I may Alex shared looking
up a little into Joshua Farmer. He lost both his
parents by the time he turned eleven. His father when
he was two after complications from a botch of stomach surgery.
His mother passed away from brain aneurism. He was raised
by his grandmother and older siblings, So a lot of

(02:23:09):
a lot of adversity there for him. Long track in arts,
is you like these stories? You realize what it means
to get to this point?

Speaker 4 (02:23:15):
Yeah? Uh, I think it was. Was it Elliott who
was in his press commerce talking about Henderson saying that
he had a lot of adversity? I think, so do
we know what that was?

Speaker 7 (02:23:26):
I have to look, I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (02:23:28):
That probably the beast it has it.

Speaker 7 (02:23:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:23:32):
A lot of these guys have stories that, you know,
required them to overcome something that you know, lesser people
wouldn't be able to overcome, you know. So, uh, all right,
so the Patriots pick is in.

Speaker 24 (02:23:46):
We should be getting it anytime now, checking my phone
any day now, Okay, Yeah, I think.

Speaker 4 (02:23:57):
I think, uh, Deuce is gonna like that one.

Speaker 7 (02:24:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, I think this is gonna like this?
How much am I gonna like it? Am I gonna
like it?

Speaker 3 (02:24:05):
Yeah, how much can you like one and forty six pick?

Speaker 7 (02:24:08):
Oh, I can like, well, I had him on the
Big Boy, then I'll really like him.

Speaker 3 (02:24:11):
And I'm hoping the Big Boy even even Paul like this.

Speaker 5 (02:24:18):
Yeah, so this is a real edge rusher, right, So
they're they're happy. I'm happy hitting tapping that class for
deuce over there. So speed to power rusher, good thickness
sixty three to two fifty five, another guy with longer
you know, arms above average length over thirty three inches,
and I just look at him as somebody that can
really get extended and convert speed to power coming off

(02:24:41):
the edge. And had a really great production last year
at LSU. Sixty total quarterback pressures at LSU last year
and thirty one stops in twenty twenty four against the run.
So productive player, uh, physical player, I would say, you know,
as that burst in that energy off the snap to
be able to win with pure speed. But I think
he's at his best, you know, pressing the pocket with

(02:25:03):
his power in his length. I thought that he was
going to go much higher than this. You know a
lot of people had him projected in the top one
hundred of this draft. So you wonder there what was
the situation.

Speaker 3 (02:25:15):
You know exactly.

Speaker 5 (02:25:17):
I don't know if there's an injury there or something
like that that that pushed him down the board. But
like I said, sixty total pressures in college and what
twelve games is that's a lot that that's getting after
the quarterback. So you want to pure edge rusher, a
guy that can really get after the QB outside the
tackle and win and pressure the QB that way. That

(02:25:38):
this is it.

Speaker 8 (02:25:39):
It got him, know Will Campbell pretty well imagine there
was some good, good battles there in practice.

Speaker 7 (02:25:44):
So yeah, now this is uh, this is good. I
like what they're doing.

Speaker 8 (02:25:47):
You know, acknowledging day three, these are flyers, but still
the traits are there. I think it would have been
a mistake to get through this edge class and not
take at least these guys coming from a big program.

Speaker 7 (02:25:58):
So that's funny how how these things were?

Speaker 6 (02:26:00):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:26:01):
Oh, just how the board fell?

Speaker 7 (02:26:02):
Please?

Speaker 5 (02:26:04):
Yeah, I mean I know that we it's day three
and all should keep that in perspective. But I really
thought that Swinson had had upside to be a potential
starter in the league. Like you know, a lot of
people had him in the top their top one hundreds.
You know, third round pick territory. Like usually when you
draft a guy in the third round, you're thinking that
maybe that guy could develop into a starter. So this

(02:26:26):
is what I've been talking about with the depth of
the edge class. You know, some of these guys just
got pushed down the board here pretty significantly, and he
was he was kind of the last one of the
run here and the Patriots get him. So good stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:26:39):
Let's get to the phones. We'll clear them out before
we say goodbye for today. Scott's and Dudley. What's up Scott.

Speaker 25 (02:26:47):
And gentlemen, thanks for your service today. So I have
a couple of different things. The first thing I was
going to ask about is our defensive line or front.
Most of these guys are strong on the pass rush,
but I don't know how strong.

Speaker 12 (02:27:05):
They of them run. What's your take on potentially getting
somebody I know they just got farm up, but getting
getting a little bit more heft in the middle to
make sure you don't get run on.

Speaker 8 (02:27:19):
I mean, I feel pretty good where they're at right now.
You know, between Tonga and Farmer, you have some some
size there to play with. You've got you got a
lot of holdover guys.

Speaker 7 (02:27:29):
In there too.

Speaker 8 (02:27:30):
I don't know if they'll get anything out of Jeremiah Farms,
Eric Johnson or Jaquelin Roy or Marcus Harris or Titus Leo.
You know, they have a bunch of names there, But
in terms of the guys that they've drafted and actually
signed up, I mean I feel okay, I think I'm
kind of in the Paul camp of like, we'll figure
out how to stop the run.

Speaker 3 (02:27:46):
Well, I think Tonga was was acquired with that kind
of thing in mind.

Speaker 8 (02:27:50):
They needed a big space eater. There's always those three
hundred and thirty pound guys like, you.

Speaker 3 (02:27:53):
Know, if you're gotchaw, they let go. So yeah, I
mean they got He's right, they got run on last year.
I keep saying the defense was just as bad as
everything else.

Speaker 4 (02:28:03):
Last says, you know, worry about the run on your
own time, you know.

Speaker 8 (02:28:08):
But if anything, if you have you can find big,
big fatties to put in the middle. I think there's
always like they're always finding the Carl Davises of the
world or you know, those kind of guys.

Speaker 4 (02:28:16):
But there are those times where we get frustrated because
they're not they're getting run over.

Speaker 8 (02:28:21):
Well, I mean but I would say, I mean, I
would honestly say I think some of their run problems
last year was as much about having linebackers that can't
get to the ball, can't get off blocks, can't get
through blocks, can't get a round blocks, and.

Speaker 3 (02:28:32):
Just ask you know, right, I'll tell you.

Speaker 4 (02:28:35):
Let's go to Rio and what's up Rio?

Speaker 23 (02:28:41):
Hey, gentlemen, appreciating the coverage here, enjoying Day three. Nice
picks and one in particularly really got my my mind
turning when they took Josh, a farmer like me, He's
a hybrid guy. In my comp for him, they came
up right away was Red Bryan's gap, and I'm wondering

(02:29:02):
this is going to be a little bit more for
the ball Nowork crowd and maybe Mike, he loves this defense.
But do you see them maybe trying to bring in
some of the principles of that Seattle cover three, Because
now you've got a guy that can play that that
big end, you've got your explosive free technique, you've got
a bunch of guys just they drafted Swinton and Head
in that Leo role, and then you've got a couple

(02:29:23):
of box safeties where you know they can really get
them down close to the line of scrimmage and force
the run while keeping some athleticism on the field.

Speaker 4 (02:29:30):
Thrown around the HR, you're trying to recreate that a
little bit.

Speaker 7 (02:29:34):
I followed it all. I felt pretty pretty good about that,
you know.

Speaker 8 (02:29:38):
I I I just the least moved away from that,
that cover three defense. It's a lot more match quarters
that kind of stuff. So I'm not sure in terms
of like what kind of coverages they're primarily going to
be running.

Speaker 7 (02:29:50):
It's it's a it's a good question.

Speaker 8 (02:29:52):
I'd especially tie in the safeties to that. I don't
know how they plan on balancing that out is you know,
do they have that true free safety Earl Thomas tight
who's just going to play back there?

Speaker 3 (02:30:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (02:30:03):
I don't see it quite one.

Speaker 8 (02:30:04):
For one, again, I know the least gotten away from
that that style of defense. Even Pete Carroll was getting
away from it at the end, so I guess it's
not the end he's renewed now. But no, it's a
really good question and something I'm fascinated to see because
you know, even last year you had the same safety
coaches and defensive back coaches, you had a lot of
the same coverage philosophies.

Speaker 7 (02:30:24):
I would say, do those change, I will see.

Speaker 5 (02:30:26):
Yeah, they're going to be an up the field defense.
We've definitely talked about that, and they're going to be
a four to three They're going to get up the field.

Speaker 4 (02:30:33):
You know.

Speaker 5 (02:30:34):
Swinson, I think, will be more of a third down
situational pass rusher. We've talked a lot about Chase on
today is maybe in that role for twenty five, but
maybe you hope that that Swinston can either push them
or or maybe be a long term play. They're in
that type of role for them, But I don't know
if they'll necessarily go Seattle three. That's not really what

(02:30:55):
Rabel was doing in Tennessee. But I think they're going
to play a lot of man coverage in New England.
I think you're gonna play a ton of man.

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