Patriots Unfiltered 4/29: Post-Draft Recap, Expert Grades, K'Lavon Chaisson In-Studio

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Speaker 3 (00:25):
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the small number theory big guys, it's small numbers.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
You know what it means to me, Mike, is it
means that that guy is a really good applete. It's
not typical that like these three hundred pound guys or
you know, we're number eight.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
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Speaker 5 (00:43):
Paul, You and I we don't really often have bets,
and yet somehow I bet that ship Nard Sanders was
going to go in the top fifteen, and I owe
you a sandwich.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
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round back in twenty five because we're absolute sick of
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will remember, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:04):
Did you check in with Barky on your ride home
last night.

Speaker 6 (01:06):
And tried calling him but he wasn't ready to talk yet,
so probably talk.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
To ready to dere No, No, I'm not there yet, so.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Nothing will be that you're ready for your close up
after you da phase it.

Speaker 6 (01:20):
Nothing will be the cold, strange draft. And him and
I spent about an hour and a half on the phone.
Jess is sleeping in the other room and she comes
in and she's like, you're screaming. It's two o'clock in
the morning.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
I was like, they drafted the card.

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Speaker 2 (01:42):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
at Jillette Stadium. We're back to our normal routine after
a big week the NFL Draft the Patriots. I think
the consensus is that they had a pretty good draft.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I think they brought in some players, at least at
the time of that draft that have a chance to
really contribute right away in areas of need. So I'm
very excited. I don't know if you guys share my enthusiasm.
It's Deuce, it's Deven, it's Paul. We might have a
guest in a little bit, so waiting for him to
show up. But in the meantime, let's let's talk about

(02:18):
what transpired over the weekend.

Speaker 5 (02:20):
Yeah, it's it's a funny place to be because I
think we were used in the draft being like, well
I wanted them to do this and they didn't quite
do that.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
I mean, I you.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
Know, we talked so much about the draft leading up
to it, and I just feel like the positions we
talked about, the players, we talked about, the needs that
we talked about, the positions that we'd like to see
them fee like they check kind of all my boxes.
Like I have a couple, you know, the safety a
little bit of a Okay, I know I wasn't really
on him, but I understand it. What I've liked a

(02:48):
edge rusher, maybe a little bit early, maybe you know,
just a developmental guy. Sure, but when they you know,
ended up getting Swinson in the in the later rounds,
like you know, that's what I was talking about, it
just reinforced the pass rush a little bit. So for me,
they checked all the boxes and we everything we've talked
about is on YouTube and on Patriots dot com ad nauseum.
So it's just it's, uh, it just feels good to say,

(03:10):
you know, it feels like we were on it. We
knew what they what they needed with they and that's
kind of what they ended up doing. So I just
it's satisfying and it's it's exciting for me.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah we didn't there were no head like real head scratch,
just cread.

Speaker 6 (03:21):
The safety was a little like.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
Yeah, okay, yeah not you know, but other I mean,
and that's not really a criticism. I mean that that
happens should happen a lot in a draft where you're.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Like, who's this guy?

Speaker 8 (03:30):
You know?

Speaker 5 (03:30):
But otherwise, every guy they took, I mean, you can
only talk about Kyle Williams for so long, and then
they took Kyle Williams. You know, we were just we
were on those guys so and then as you get
to dive into the film of especially Henderson and Williams,
I just think that's what the excitement mostly, a lot
of the excitement comes from you put the tires on
the car with Will Campbell, but you added some explosiveness,
and that just is this season ended. That's what we've

(03:52):
been saying, This offense needs to hit a new level
and hopefully that they'll.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Be able to do it with somebody's little analogy on
the fly, then yeah, you're putting the higher on their car.
Frett helps them out with the absolutely Toyota's well done.

Speaker 6 (04:10):
You can strap it up. I've it's been a while
since the Patriots have had uh glowing remarks across all
It's not just us, like it's one thing for us
to say it, but all these other places are saying
it too, that they had one of the best drafts
in the league. And I can't remember a time that
they had a consensus top five draft in the NFL,

(04:31):
some places even grading them as the best draft in
the entire league out of all thirty two teams. So
that's a that's a different feeling. I normally you see
some some head scratchers, some guys that you weren't expecting
to go that early, or positions that you weren't really
thinking about going into the draft, or whatever the case
may be, classic reaches and things like that, and there

(04:54):
really weren't any besides you know, maybe maybe Woodson in
the fourth round. But there were people that liked that
pick too, you know, Daniel Jeremiah is very complimentary of
that pick. So it's kind of uncharted territory for me.
I feel kind of weird that everybody's like, oh, wow,
no great draft guys, Yeah, so cool.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Oh, Paul bring you back down.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
No, not at all, and it will did they my
show gave me.

Speaker 6 (05:20):
Okay, they gave it what I'm talking about, cheap.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
Yeah, this is going to go down to me. We're
going to look at those first three guys, the offensive picks.
The offense badly needed some some help. And that's where
I think this this draft is ultimately going to be defined.
Now assuming that those guys pan out, you can really
make it special if you find a way to hit
on on a couple of the other picks that Mike,

(05:46):
you know, brought up earlier with the day three guys.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
That's how you take a good draft.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
And make it really you know, one of them that
that stands out and makes it special. So, you know,
Mike and I bickered a little bit as the weekend
went on with the Edge, and if I had known
it would be so easy to get Mike excited, you know,
we'll just pick one in the fifth round, I wouldn't
have you know, even I wouldn't have wasted my time

(06:11):
arguing something, Well.

Speaker 6 (06:13):
He's one of the best values in the draft just
based off of the consensus and where they ended up
getting him. Swinson was for me a top one hundred
player for a lot of people, a top one hundred player,
and he fell. And there's some things in the beast
about you know why he fell, maybe some brush ups
with coaches and things like that in his past, but
it sounds like it none of it was performance related

(06:34):
at LSU, and certainly the numbers backed that up. So
they kind of got a guy that was projected as
like a third or fourth round pick by most people.
In the fifth round. So you know, for Deuce that
that's your developmental edge, Like that's that's the guy with
some tools and some pass rush ability.

Speaker 5 (06:49):
Yeah, I mean, I will say and I said it.
We did a shot a little draft recap which will
be check it out on our YouTube channel and probably tomorrow.
But I took a little glance forward at next year's class,
like I just, you know, people come up with these
stupid mock drafts, but I feel like for somebody like me,
it doesn't know a lot of college football, it's like,
all right, well, just get a sense look at some
of these guys putting mock drafts together, at least to
put a list of players together. And there were a

(07:10):
number of edge players next year, which it seems like
it'll be another strong class for that position. So that
was a little bit, you know, it made me feel
a little bit better. I mean, and I get Paul's point,
and I mean, to be honest, like, I still think
that they have depth issues along the line, a little
bit in the defensive line, so you know that. But look,
it's I like what Ryan Cowten said. Like Ryan Cowten,

(07:30):
I think at the end was like, you know, we're
gonna finish up here and we're gonna start looking at
the roster and be like, all right, where are we weak?

Speaker 1 (07:35):
What do we need to do?

Speaker 5 (07:35):
And I you know, that's kind of where I where
my head was at too. You're not going to get
everything you need. I said on the Draft Show, I
would have liked to have a developmental defensive end to
you know, develop behind you know, Chase On and Harold.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Landry didn't get that.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
But still you ended up got a guy who can
help with the pass rush off the edge, and I
think that's what Swinson is known for. He's got some
juice around the corner, and I thought that was the
biggest element they needed just to reinforce the depth.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Just come on, un clarify. So you're looking at it
a little bit differently, like a like a Harold Landry
and this guy. Then what do you mean so you
said you were looking for a developmental backup defensive end.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
You don't pitch Swinton, Well, I picture.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
I see him more as a stand up pass rusher,
gonna come.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
On on third downs.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
And I don't know, I mean, maybe you know, in
a in a perfect world, he develops into a three.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Down kind of a guy.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
But we haven't seen what kind of defense.

Speaker 5 (08:28):
Yeah, we haven't seen. I mean we have a feeling
of what they're gonna run on defense. But I just
think they're gonna have four down lineman. They're gonna have
a down defensive end. I I don't know if that's Swinson.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
I mean I look at four down lineman, the guys
on the in this.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
I mean, you know, I'll defer to you two, but
in this I I look at those Those two guys
on the end might be down lineman, but.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
There their edge rushers.

Speaker 8 (08:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Yeah, you know Harold Landry, I mean, yep, Chasing's not
an every down player. I mean I I don't think
he's been that in his career. Now, maybe he will
be that with the Patriots. We don't know what his
role is going to be here. It's gonna be different
system for him. But I look at him in his
career as kind of one of those situational edge kind
of pass rushing types.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
I know, I know guys have always played on the edge,
but when did the term edge like really come into vogue?

Speaker 8 (09:12):
Right?

Speaker 6 (09:13):
It's more definitely more of a draft term than it
is because you know, you have four to three defensive
ends and then you have three four outside linebackers and
some guys can kind of do a little bit of both.
So like, how did you really categorize those types of players?
And like each scheme is different, So like in Bill's
three four, like those guys would be outside linebackers, but

(09:34):
in the four to three those guys are defensive ends.
So in order to catch all you just say edge
didn't screen.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
A guy like Dietrich Wise defensive is more of a
Ty Warren.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
They were like three four end types, right, And then
you get a guy on the edge.

Speaker 6 (09:50):
Like I would put I would say Wise is a
defensive lineman, like I would put him in the interior
defensive lineman category, where where like Joshua Farmer is gonna be.
Swinson is more of an outside linebacker edge rusher type,
and to douce his point, I don't know if he's
going to be able to play with his hand in
the dirt on first down, right, Like, I don't know
if that's going to be him. It's probably the biggest

(10:12):
knock on his tape is the run defense consistency and
anchoring and that kind of thing. But he's got all
the tools to be a great pass rusher. So if
they can just develop his play strength a little bit,
his technique on the run defense side, like, maybe he
could emerge a little bit there. I think with those
two guys, in addition to what they already have with
Milton Williams and hopefully bar More and Keon White, like

(10:33):
their defensive line, it looks pretty good in terms of
the depth on paper. I'm not too concerned about it there, No.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
And I think I think I've summed it up well.
Let's I kind of see Swinson as an outside linebacker.
I see Chase On and Landry as defensive ends, and
I think for their three down purposes they want a
defensive end. That's why I like MIKEL Williams. I feel
like yes, he could stand up, but he could also
be that hand down kind of guy that they needed.
So in a perfect world, that would have been the
guy that we got. Is it developmental? But again, I

(11:00):
don't know if I would have been fully happy because
I thought.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
The pass rush was the biggest issue.

Speaker 5 (11:04):
It's kind of two things competing for me. It's pass
rush and it's defensive ends.

Speaker 6 (11:07):
They kind of combine them into one player, Like they
combined like Farmers kind of well like sort of what
you're talking about with his hand in the dirt. But
then Swinson's kind of the guy that's got the juice
off the edge, So like maybe they're thinking Farmer plays
early downs. You know, Swinston's a rotational edgeresher on third down.
Farmer's more of a rotational early down player, and they

(11:28):
kind of got, you know, both those guys to combine.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
I love this stuff. Can we just keep this defense
rolling through the little show?

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Fred?

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (11:33):
Sure?

Speaker 6 (11:33):
Just my favorite pick of the drafts. I gotta defend
my guys.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
It's good and it's good.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Maybe I had such great numbers over the weekend, you
want to just kill it right now.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Wow, we don't even mention.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
But you mentioned YouTube. I just want to remind folks
that YouTube, the Patriots YouTube channel is really becoming kind
of a place to go. I mean, you've got the
Patriots app obviously in Patriots dot com, but you know
the YouTube channel. They've been posting a lot of really
cool stuff there. So if you're not already a subscriber
to the Patriots YouTube channel, you want to do that.

(12:09):
There's already a bunch of stuff there, and as this
off season progresses and we move into training camp, there's
going to be a lot more posted there. So you
want to make sure you're following the Patriots on YouTube
as well.

Speaker 5 (12:21):
I was going to say, my son is my son,
he's thirteen now, he's gonna be thirteen a couple of weeks,
but he signed up. He's follows Patriots on YouTube. And
he came out to me the morning the draft and
he just said, Dad, what's Fred's back of the envelope?

Speaker 8 (12:31):
Guys?

Speaker 5 (12:31):
He was looking for next nation.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
So yeah, he's uh so it's good. We'll get lot
of stuff out.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
There, good stuff, all right, going viral?

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Fred? Yeah, when the kids are talking going.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
So what was your your was your big story other
than the Patriots of the Shouduar Sander thing over the weekend.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
I mean that was wild, sure, I mean going to
the milk Hiper followut is still happening.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Talking about his reactions too.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
I'm wondering if there was some behind the scenes pressure
put on the Brown to take him, because to take
the other guy first and then Sanders in the fifth rounds?

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Do you think the miserable reaction of the draft room.

Speaker 5 (13:09):
Yeah, and then they signed Deontay Johnson too.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
I mean it was clearly nationally for the draft. That
was the story of the weekend. We talked about it
a lot on our shows too. What I wasn't aware of.
I mean, you know, you're sort of seeing on Twitter
the reactions of different people, but when you actually hear,
like how like Melkiper could be as offended by this

(13:37):
as he was, makes me wonder what his motivation is. Yeah, Like,
I if you think that he should have been a
first round pick, I'm not here to tell you you're wrong.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
That's your opinion. You evaluate, fine, But why are you
so angry about it?

Speaker 6 (13:51):
It's embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
It was like it was like it was personal for me,
mel Wiper.

Speaker 6 (13:54):
It kind of is personal you know, in a way,
you know, when you put yourself out there and you
great player, and you ranked players, and you publish mock
drafts and you publish big boards, and then you have
a guy going third overall and he drops all the
way to the fifth round like that. Your reputation is
built on being accurate with all those types of predictions
and some for mel Kuiper, like that was a big issue,

(14:17):
but embarrassment that he went as late as I did.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
But my point would be, so I made these evaluations
and I got it wrong. That's not what mel Kuiper thinks.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Well, he didn't get it wrong there wrong in terms
of where he thought it was going to go. He
got it wrong, but his evaluation could still be right correct.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
But he's killing the league.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, he's killing Dare you disagree with me?

Speaker 4 (14:41):
It's not personal Mel. Well, listen, due they didn't take
him because they wanted to stick.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
It to mel Kuiper.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
I think Mel's on there, he wants to be.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
That's how that to me, the story became mel Kiper.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
That's you know, it's all about the drama.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
And I do think that you're you're right about that.
I think the networks uh, you know, in this case,
ESPN kind of lean into it a little bit and
they they I think that they sort of recognized we
got a guy that's a little unhinged. It's probably not
bad for ratings, right, you know, And listen, I have
a lot of respect for mel Kiper. I think he
does a really good job. No one gets the most,

(15:17):
no one in that business has a squeaky clean record.
His performance over the weekend wasn't That.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Was a guy in ESPN who's a multi millionaire in
his nickname's mad Dog. So I mean, that's kind of
all you need to know.

Speaker 5 (15:31):
And then did you guys see the what is the
jeff ulbriks Son then found the number of s Sanders
and that.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
That was really stupid. I mean, that kid, he just
embarrassed his father to no end.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
He did, and he's obviously, you know, paying the price
for it. But my god, like, it was a stupid
childish prank, Like, can we not put him in prison?
Like the reaction, My god Like, if my kid did it,
believe me, they'd be serious repercussions. My kid wouldn't have

(16:05):
gotten away with this. And I'm sure that he's not either. Yeah,
because You've put it perfectly, Freddy, he barrassed his.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Father and works for an NFL team, right, have some
respect for your dad.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
My god, was no one ever twenty one before and
you never do anything stupid? Oh yeah, Like like am
I wrong? Like the reaction was like you know this guy,
like we got to lock him up and throw away
the kate.

Speaker 6 (16:26):
I do wonder that, like why does the defensive coordinator
of the Atlanta Falcons, why does he have access to
the phone numbers? Because he's not calling Shador Sanders to
like as like a scout to like evaluate him.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
I just wonder if there's like a like some kind
of a master.

Speaker 6 (16:44):
Right, But like shouldn't that master she'd have a little
bit more restriction in terms of who has access to it,
Like why not every single coach on the coaching staff
needs to have because once you start to branch out
the numbers, like the more and more people that have it,
the more likely it is that something like this happens.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
So like, I mean, do you have to take in
consideration that you don't want something like this to happen?

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Like is that something that you need?

Speaker 2 (17:07):
But but I mean, the whole he got prank called
The whole idea these numbers is that so when the
player gets the call, he knows it's from somebody that's
authorized to call me from the team.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Uh Jesus, if the Jerky Boys were all today, we
have kind of a throwback to when prank call still happened,
Like we have to, we'd have to go with a
whole new routine on pregame shows, like we can't do
what Jerky Boys anymore.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
Those guys would be in prison, like Star six nine,
like all those things are lost, like what Star six
nine is?

Speaker 3 (17:38):
All right, I'm not Please, don't misunderstand this. I'm not.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
It was a dumb, dumb thing and it was mean.
It was flat out mean, and Shadua Sanders did not
deserve that now, But I mean, it just was a dumb,
stupid prank. Like I just I think we've gone a
little bit overboard.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
Did they like actually talk to him and all or
I didn't I didn't see any of the actual calls,
so they call.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Oh really yeah?

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (18:07):
And you know, Sanders kind of handled it really well,
you know, like he didn't get outraged or anything.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Like no, everybody's getting outraged.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Four Yeah, I give him credit, but it's yeah, you
just feel bad because you hear all these players talk
about shoot.

Speaker 5 (18:21):
I forget which of our draft pics it was, but
somebody said, like I saw Foxborough pop up and I knew,
and I just had this rush of emotion. So you
know that that's the start of it. And so he must
have gotten that rush of adrenaline thinking this is it,
it's happening, and then you know that's that's.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Where you're taking advantage of somebody in kind of a
tough spot.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Absolutely, Ye, like I said it was, it was mean.
It was flat out mean, all right.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
A five to five pass five hundred is the hotline
podcast at Patriots dot com is the email address. We
got a lot of emails coming in, we got calls
coming in. Chances are we're going to have a guest
at some point soon. So while we're waiting for him
to come in, Uh, let me get my mouse working here.

(19:05):
Uh it's not working, all right? The good radio, Well
maybe we'll go to wemails.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Now, can you punch up radio calls from that's all right?

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Phone calls, it might be a bad battery.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
I mean, you can do it like they do on
my shows. I'm frozen. Jimmy, I'm frozen. Can you can
you punch up line?

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Here we go. I gotta go, and I gotta go, and.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
I do that right from the dead.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Let's go to uh. We'll start with you hate them?
Cole in Minnesota? What's up? Cold good?

Speaker 8 (19:37):
Hey?

Speaker 9 (19:37):
Yeah, So I'm called back a few months back free
free agent signing, Paul. I'm excited because everything has happened
so far. Maybe defensive, you know, reload the offensive line,
wide receiver death. I got my major question today for
you guys, is you know, all the things we did

(19:59):
are all kind of dependent on one coaching step and
two whether Drake may think that next week's Steven is
there something that you could see get hits off more
year that may I can take a step back from him,
Like if he goes on another you know, ten twelve
interception one. Is that kind of where we take a
step back or do we just say.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
All, well, okay, thanks for the call. If he if
he throws for forty touchdowns and has twelve interceptions, I'm
fine with that. It just depends on his production.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
Twelve interceptions is not no, that's not all. That's not
a bad that's not terrible. I mean it's not great,
but it's not a bad number. But especially second year.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
But if you only have fifteen touchdowns, then it makes it.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
That's not so good, you know. And he's not making
any place right.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
So but if he's making plays left and right and
he has those types of intercepts, that's okay. We can
live with that.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
You just don't want the mac jones back across the field.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Just dumb decisions, good play, right, you know.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
I think the same things that we saw to see
those cleaned up.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
I mean with Drake we May sprays. I mean there
are are case and all, whoa, what was that?

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Not too consistent? But it's a huge question.

Speaker 5 (21:04):
I'm not sure, like step back like I don't I
look at more.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
You got to take a step forward. I agree, that's
what it is.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
He's got to cut down on those turnovers and he's
got to prove it in clutch time.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Those are the two big things, right.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
But Cole's bigger point that this season is mostly dependent
on coaching and Drake May's development. I agree with that absolutely.
I agree with absolutely.

Speaker 10 (21:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (21:24):
Yeah, Deuce's point about clutch like we don't really know
what it looks like for Drake may in a meaningful
game when it's you know, they're down three two minutes left,
like can he orchestrate like we saw so many times
with Brady, Like can you orchestrate those types of drives?
You really didn't have the pressure of that moment too
often because of the you know, the failures of the

(21:45):
team last year, So we don't know like that. That's
the unknown in so many of these games right now
are decided by one score. So if it comes down
to that and he doesn't have that it factor yet,
then they're gonna lose those coin flip.

Speaker 5 (22:01):
I mean, you call it the if factor, and that's
really to me everything. It's there are a lot of
good quarterbacks in the league. There are a lot of
starting quarterbacks in the league, but the special quarterbacks are
the ones that when it's all on the line, they
make the plays. And those are the guys that win
playoff games and win Super Bowls. And how many times
you have to see Patrick Mahomes do it, you get
to a certain point, like with him and Brady, where

(22:21):
you know, teams are just not comfortable at all until
the clock hits zero. And I hope that that's what
kind of quarterback Drake. Make him be the guy and
the guy that you have to put every single nail
in that coffin because if you leave one of them out,
he's gonna bust out.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, yep, let's go to Fidel in Tampa. Hey, Fidel, guys,
doing good.

Speaker 11 (22:42):
Good you talking about the YouTube channel growing. My favorite
video so far has been the draft reaction. So drafting
Will Campbell. The very first thing you hear is Bred going, wow,
it looks like his brother. Okay, he looks like a
Batman villain.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Well, the suit absolutely, the pit strike suit.

Speaker 11 (23:06):
Yeah, there's no clappang, no nothing, just like it looks
like his brother.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Okay, well he did.

Speaker 11 (23:14):
But it is good. I love the draft. I think
Kyle Williams, I think it's probably one of my favorite picks.
I thought it was funny that we were in the
same scenario as we were when we drafted Sonny Michelle
and Nick Chubb with the brown and it splits, and
now they draft the running backs person we drafted Trayvon,

(23:37):
So I was wondering, what do you think. Do you
think we're gonna come out on the edge this time
and have a better producing running back or do you
think this fakes the same.

Speaker 6 (23:46):
Yeah, it's a good question. You know, Quentin John Jenkins
and Travon Henderson were neck and neck for everybody. It
was a coin flip of which guy you had over
the other. Jenkins is a little bit more of an
angry runner, downhill runner, you know, once to seek contact
instead of avoiding it.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
You know.

Speaker 6 (24:02):
Traveon Henderson is more of a space back, a guy
that excels with you know, in space and with speed
and that sort of thing. So they're they're different but
similar because they both have good speed at the end
of the day, but they play differently. So it'll be
interesting to see which one ends up being better. I mean,
I personally preferred Henderson, and this was before he became

(24:23):
a Patriot. I personally preferred Henderson, but it was it
was really close. It was a toss up.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
I remember you've being surprised when Judkins went first.

Speaker 6 (24:31):
Yeah, yeah, because I just think that he's he's a
guy that, like I said, he seeks contact, like he
wants to run you over. I personally would rather the
guy that runs around you instead of over you because
of the wear and tear and exactly that.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
It is funny that he brought it up because I
kind of thought of Chubb and Michelle in a similar fashion.
I thought Michelle was more of the third down type
you can get, you get the ball in space a
little bit and use him as a receiver.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
He was not that as a Patriot.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
Now, what we didn't know to the extent was just
how injured he was coming out of Georgia. And obviously
Chubb had a far superior career. But I think that
I felt like there was a difference between Chubb and
Michelle each other, difference between Judkins and absolutely and I
would have taken Michelle. Then I was wrong, just like

(25:23):
the Patriots were in terms of the skill set. I
like the skill set now. Chubb I think was a
better player at Georgia. I think Henderson was a better
player at Ohio State. So in one regard, I'm saying
I like what the Patriots did now I didn't like
what they did then.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Different guys, but they're different guys.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Ryan and Watertown says, speaking of the draft LFG Aside
from the long snapper pick, I love pretty much everything
the Patriots did. My question this week is about the
wide receiver room. I know it's early, but who do
you think might be gone once the regular season rolls around.

Speaker 6 (25:58):
That's gonna be a popular question.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yeah, started already yesterday.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yeah, I really look at I love how you know
all of those guys, Yeah, started already yesterday.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
Did that's none of the topics the roster.

Speaker 6 (26:14):
Yeah. I would say two guys I would look at, uh,
you know, Kendrick Bourne. Is there is there a spot
for him, especially with Digs and Kyle Williams probably being
you know, base receiver types that Kendrick Bourne is like
it is there really a role for him? And then
Javon Baker I think is the other one. And I'd

(26:35):
probably put kish On Booty in that conversation too. But
I see a lot of people just because Javon Baker
was a fourth round pick last year, I think he's
going to be on the roster over Booty. But Booty's
got a lot more NFL production and flash, you know
to to his game. I mean, Javon Baker's done nothing.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
I'll give you that.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
For Polk, I think the fact that Polk is a
second years, second round pick probably gives.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Him a leg up.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
Yeah, not for a fourth round pick. There are plenty
of fourth round picks that wash out quickly, and I
agree with Evan.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
I have a little bit of question on Bourne, just
because if Digs isn't ready to go, what makes sense
to keep and have some veteran reliability.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
There another good point.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
I just looking at the depth chart immediately, it's like,
you know, I feel like at X they can run
anybody out there, but you know, to hang on to Bourne,
who had a great year.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
In McDaniel's system, it might.

Speaker 5 (27:26):
Be a little bit more explosive, this little more reliability.
Maybe that's how I could see him. But I agree
with you on Booty. I think all those guys and Baker,
especially Baker's got to have it like a flawless camp.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
I feel like he's got to come out and put
it all together.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
And we all know those guys are going to have
to win jobs. Yeah, yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
And they did get rid of you know, a half
dozen players yesterday. Because all that, I think, I think
there's like seventeen undrafted free agency, so to get to
I think it's ninety one because I think one of
those is an international player.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
It's not he's not an international player.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
No, Okay, I thought I read yesterday somewhere on Twitter
that he was, but so some guys had to go.
I don't think that, like Polk Baker, Boody Born. Chances
are those guys we are going to make it to
the spring and get to the camps and figure it out.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
You know.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
I know that Booty is a guy that Adam Schefter
throughout there was a trade candidate. Anything could happen, sure,
but they're not all going to make the team coming
out of training camp.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
So let the competition. This is what this is what
Rabel kept.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Talking about from the day that he signed, had his
introductory press conference. I think they I think they've created
all the competition, you know, in a number of places.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
I don't know how good.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
You know, like Mike started off when you're talking about
the draft, like there's still holes with depth, and I
agree with that, Like don't confuse you have a crowded
room with a lot of players in the room, Like
they have a lot of players at wide receiver. They
have a lot of offensive linemen right now. You know,
there's another one, you know, and Marcus Bryant is added

(29:09):
in with Cayden Wallace, you know, and Will Campbell with
you know, with these tackles that doesn't mean you have
a crowded tackle room, like you have to figure out
who can play before you say, oh wow, they're gonna
have some tough choices to make because you know, anyone,
you know, with Marcus Bryant who played left tackle at Missouri,
with you know, a very highly regarded right tackle at Membo.
Maybe he's a diamond in the rough seventh round pick

(29:32):
and maybe he's better than Kayden Wallace, who knows.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
You know, And we have to keep our eye on
digs like is he even going to be ready to
be in training camp? And maybe he starts the season
on pup or something like that, and you know it,
it opens up a spot for someone who otherwise would
have had to go. So you know, we'll see what
his status is. But right now he's looking good from
the videos anyway.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
How did well Welker came right back?

Speaker 8 (29:57):
Right?

Speaker 3 (29:57):
I mean Welker played Week one.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Some people are built different.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Well was injured later. That's right, he was injured in
the last game of the season.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Smaller, so it's like to feal faster.

Speaker 6 (30:07):
I think the tough part about it, we'll go with
that of the receiver room is I don't think there's
a lack of depth. I think there's a lot of
lack of top end talent. So, like, all these guys
that we're talking about are kind of the same talent level.
So which one do you pick that's that's right point?
Right when you get into you know, kay Shan Boody,
Javon Baker, even Kendrick Bourne, like these Jalen Polk, like

(30:29):
these guys are all kind of the same. So who
wins out is going to be interesting. You know, Kyle
Williams is going to be on the team as a
third round pick. Diggs is obviously going to be here
in some capacity. Mac Collins I assume will be on
the roster, and I think Pop will be on the roster.
But like, those four are really the only guys that
are safe. You know, if you told me that it

(30:50):
was Javon Baker and not Kai Shan Boody that makes
the final cut, I couldn't argue with you. Like it's possible, it'd.

Speaker 5 (30:57):
Be fun to see a locked in Javon Baker. That's
like really getting it. I just I think he's got
a lot of talent and I don't know how it
would all manifest itself if it did all come to fruition.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
But you know, you see how the guy moved.

Speaker 5 (31:09):
Off the line last year, and that's a lot where we
talked about with Kyle Williams' ability to separate quickly, and
you know, it's just the concentration drops. It felt like,
I mean, it's remember like just Drake kept throwing them bombs,
throwing them bombs. He's dropping it. He just you know,
they just couldn't seem to connect. But maybe maybe he
comes out He's like my wild card, you know the
other guys. I feel like, you know what Booty kind
of is. I mean, I think Paul, you made a

(31:30):
good point. Agree with you on the radio. I think
I think you made it on the radio saying not
that I made a good point. Well that that you know,
Booty had a really good jump from first year to
second year.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
He emerged. No one thought he was really going to
do anything.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
Why not have some hope that maybe he continues to
make a jump and it takes another step forward.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
I it was a good point, but your baker point.
I do I.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
Feel like his skill sets different than the others. And Evan,
you just talked about all those different guys that to
me are all similar. Yeah, yeah, I don't think Baker.
You know, if you're asking me what I think is
going to happen with Baker, I don't think it's going
to click.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
I think there's some maturity issues there.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
I think there's some focus issues there, and I think
those are going to hold him back. I think it
held him back at Alabama and caused him to, you know,
have to sort of go to a smaller program. I
think it knocked him into the fourth round. So I
don't think it's like a new thing. He got to
the NFL and suddenly lacked focus. I think that's plagued him.
So I'm skeptical on him. But in terms of skill set,

(32:31):
he might be a little different and have a little
bit higher skill set than that group that he's competing with.

Speaker 5 (32:38):
Yeah, that's I mean, that's exactly what motivates me the
same boat. I'm not confident, not bt BTT.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
I'm not banging the.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Table or PTT pound the table that one.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
That it's going to have. I'm not pounding or banging.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
I just say I hope that he's I hope he's
locked in because I mean, I think we had you
know vibes immediately with him from you know, the wheelchair
comments and all that stuff right out of gate that
you're like, dude, you know, and even his comments after
the year, not really understanding how much scrutiny everything he
said would be under And so you know, I don't
rule him out because some of these guys, it's their kids,

(33:12):
they're coming out. I mean, how many kids come out
of school in the first year of their job. They
don't really know what they're doing. But it's got a
click for him quick or else he's he's going to
quickly be off the team.

Speaker 6 (33:19):
Yeah, it's too bad because there's me. Listen, the bar
wasn't very high last year, but there was a lot
of people in the building that thought that he was
the most talented receiver in the entire room last year.
But he just doesn't have the maturity and he doesn't have,
you know, that whole thing to realize his potential. But
there's no question that he's a really talented player. I
don't think anybody's ever doubted that, even you know, going back,

(33:42):
like Paul said to Alabama, like he's an extremely talented athlete.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
DARPin or Dupon from New York City says, congrats on
the awesome draft coverage. Mike's increasing annoyance at the team
for foregoing defense on day two to help our promising
young quarterback was my highlight. Me too, Mike, It's too
early to op hating Drake or to start hating Drake
fair enough. My takeaway for the Pages draft is that
they are not trying to outsmart everyone. They kept it simple.

(34:09):
Nita left tackle, grabbed the consensus number five player that's
sitting right there, historic draft class at running back in
D line. Make sure to grab some and most important,
respect the consensus rankings for at least the top one hundred.
Don't reach into the early rounds like the old regime Belichick,
let's forget about Mail. Last year regularly did maybe because
they thought their evaluations were so much better than everyone else.

(34:32):
Not worried about the alleged reaches on day three. There
is no such thing as a reach on day three.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
In my humble opinion, I love the first part of
that about you know, the consensus was they were strong,
say edge strong running back, and we're gonna lean into that.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
We're gonna we're gonna look at you know.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
I remember the different years like well, this is this
is like a legendary wide receiver class. We're gonna zag
We're gonna take a wide receiver the following year like that.
That's something that the Patriots did routinely in the latter
part of the Belichick era. The the way they're consensuously ranked,
I don't care as much about because I go by

(35:10):
the NFL teams, not by you know, the mel Kipers
of the world. Now, certainly great when when they marry
and they're they're similar. But these two guys have been
talking to me about running backs and edge guys for
you know, a couple of months, and they they targeted
those positions. I think that that's to me, that's smart.

(35:33):
That's not trying to outsmart everybody, right, that's saying I agree,
these these spots are talented and they're deep, and we're
going to make sure we get somebody that is in
that talented and deep crop. I think that's smart drafting.
It doesn't mean it's gonna work, no, but but there's
logical and I can understand.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
What they think.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
Like you just said it, Paul, that was I think
I said in Day three. It's just logically everything makes sense.
You know, I think you got to a point where
some of Bill's drafts where you knew there was always
gonna be one pick that like, it's not a need,
it's a guy that was way down everyone else's draft boards.
But Bill must see something, and you know, we all
respect him. So let's just hold our breath and see
what happens. But it was a little harder to talk
glowingly about Tavon Wilson, you know, than it is talking

(36:17):
about why they took Trayvon Henderson or why they took
Kyle Williams. It's just clear needs, and you know, especially
when just everything we talked about like they need to
get explosive, they tried to get explosive. So I just
I there aren't gets nitpicks. I mean making fun of
me about the defense.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
It's nitpicks.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
It's not like you're not going to get everything every year.
And if you had to like punt on something, all right,
well you're not going to get one of those edges
that this year.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
It's fine.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
And frankly, this team can't afford to take chances. Yeah,
they needs enough talent that you know, forget about the
developmental guys. Take the guys with the talent or on
tape and then coach him up when they get here.
Floyd and Redford, Michigan. I'm impressed with the draft, but
he says in capital letters. How do we says whether

(37:00):
or not Will Campbell will be a good or bad pick?
If he stays at left tackle and at least becomes
Nate's solder, is a good pick to me. Having to
move him to guard means we once again need a
left tackle, which is not okay with me. How do
we fairly assess Will Campbell?

Speaker 3 (37:17):
I mean, if he had to move to guard, he
was an exceptional guard, he was like an all Pro guard.
I mean that's not terrible.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
I don't think that's like a bust, but it.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Does mean we still need a tackle.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Right, And that's the unfortunate part. But I think he
needs to be.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
I think he would need to be a good tackle
to take with the fourth overall pick. You know, is
Nate Soldier good enough?

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Probably?

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Probably? Right?

Speaker 6 (37:45):
Can we get Matt light out of it?

Speaker 5 (37:48):
When I went on a Hearty show the other morning,
Michael Holly asked me if, like, well, if he gets
like one Pro Bowl and he has like ten years,
is that okay, and so I had to go. Look,
so Matt Light and Nate Solder had a Pro Bowl,
just one betweading me Matt Light went once. So if
he is.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Our left tackle for ten years, it's a good pick.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
I mean, come on, you shored up a position and
now Paul will say, well, does he play well for
ten years? Well, I believe if he stays for ten years,
he's playing well.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
And I'd have a hard time arguing with Yeah, there's
no way he's going to keep his job for ten
years if he's just like you know, twenty fifth and
ps off every year.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
You've shored up a position of need for ten years,
right pick.

Speaker 5 (38:28):
I would say where some of the nuance might come
is maybe kind of how Paul you felt about Matt
lighte where there are certain matchups, perhaps that as you
get going, you know, this week, we might have some
problems this, you know, like having it to single him
out for help or those kind of things like not ideal,
not ideal, you prefer not to have to worry, or
we got a really long edge.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
Rusher because you know, you know, I've been awfully, awfully
positive about his draft, and I feel that way I'm
not putting on an act. I feel strongly that they
took playmakers, and they needed playmakers. What I would be
concerned with is like, if he plays like Matt Light
when at Soldier, how much did Tom Brady make those
guys better than they really were?

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, yeah, bust the balls out.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
So that's a need.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
I need the fourth overall pick to be a better
player than Matt Light. Yeah, you know, ideally, Well that's
and that's what you would hope the fourth overall pick,
that you can stick him on an island with the
best pass rusher in the league.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
And I mean is that realistic? Probably not, But.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
If you're maybe the gate, But that's if you play
ten years.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
I don't want to be having to put Daniel Graham
next to him every time they play Jason Taylor, right right.

Speaker 6 (39:33):
Yeah, I mean I don't know. It depends on how
you to answer the question, like how does it look like?
How do you know what's he is?

Speaker 12 (39:39):
He?

Speaker 6 (39:40):
The player that I compared him to is Jake Matthews
in Atlanta, who is one Pro Bowl ten years, but
he's held down left tackle in Atlanta for a decade
and he's been a really good player. For the Falcons
to take it and a captain and all that kind
of stuff. And you know, the thing that you keep
hearing from everybody, I'm you know, I'm writing the future
on Will Campbell for the website, and people I've talked

(40:01):
to already at LSU and other places, they're just, you know,
this guy comes in and changes the culture of the
offensive line. You know, they really feel like he has
that kind of leadership that he is going to come
in and set a tone and you know, be an
example of work ethic and effort and toughness and all
the things that you look at. Now, if that ends

(40:22):
up manifesting itself in a guard, like is it that
might still be worth it. Like if he's still driving
the rest of the room the way that these people
describe him as, then he could be Zach Martin And like,
are we gonna come here ten years from now and
say bad pick as he's fitted for a red jacket,

(40:42):
Like if he's.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
An exceptional guard, Yeah, I'm not gonna kill I'm not
going to kill that pick.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Fred.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
I know you've been on that throughout the process, and
I've sort of gone back and forth with you a
little bit on it. But if he's that good as
a guard, you got to find a tackle still. But
at least you got a really really good guard. And
guards are important to uh, they matter, they matter. You
just don't want to have to take one at the
top of them. Have you hugged the guard, you know?

Speaker 6 (41:09):
But if he's like the left tackle, like just for
argument's sake, if he's the left tackle for like a
year or two and he's solid, but clearly it projects
that he'd probably be better off inside. And they just
get into a situation where a premium left tackle kind
of falls into their lap. But he held down the
position for a year or two, and then they kicked

(41:31):
them inside because a you know, a Tyron Smith level player,
it just happens to be on the board for them
one year.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Right, Like I then okay, right, he can't argue with that, right, you.

Speaker 6 (41:41):
Know, because that's what I see potentially if he's going
to move inside, I think that's what would have to happen.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
So in other words, not necessarily, because he just failed
and played the position, you got you had, okay, a tackle,
and then we got an opportunity to upgrade there, and
now we're going to strengthen the left side of the
line by having both of them.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
On the left.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
Yeah, my algorithm has somehow picked up a bunch of
like Will Campbell high school training videos like that must
be one of his coaches posting him dripping sweat, holding
like a forty five pound plate, like doing leg kicks.
I mean, it looked like Dante Scarnekia putting him through
the drills. And just for me, it kind of brought
everything full circle because when he got so emotional about

(42:22):
everything he had been with, you don't really know what
these guys are doing. But when you see here's Will
Campbell in high school when probably a lot of his
friends weren't doing what he's doing, and he's, you know,
lugging a forty five pound plate up and down the field,
you know, you just it puts a little more context
into his journey. And I just keep going back though
with him. As soon as I heard him talk, I'm like,

(42:43):
this guy is Mike Rabel, Like he is a Rabel
kind of guy. And when you heard Rabel call him,
it sounded exactly like you. You do things the way
we want to do it, and not to me, aside
from the physical talent, just such a culture fit and
such a what like what Evan said, what's needed. It's
like an anchor for this offensive line and to give
them some identity.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Well you you definitely see with how they're building the
roster so far that one of the high priorities is
building that culture. Yeah, absolutely setting up that culture.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
I mean, just real quick, I got to see one
other thing, like just contrast last year, and I mean,
I hate to I'm not gonna compliment you again too much, Paul,
but like you know, it was like you just.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Look at the difference between a new regime.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
A new regime came in.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
This year and it is a totally different team that
they're going to put on the field this year. I mean,
it was we want to put our stamp on it,
and when you look at it in contrast to last year,
it was we're going to try to hold on to
a lot of the pieces and kind of make a
version of what it previously was without you know, doing
what Rabel's doing, which is I'm going to make this
my team. I'm gonna put my stamp on it. I'm

(43:46):
going to put all my guys into into positions to
be successful. So at that to me is just really
been remarkable as we look at the off season as
a whole, with free agency in the draft.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
Talking about it a little bit right as 're Abel
took over and Fred, I think you and I did
the two thousand and one thing, Like we talked a
lot about this.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
This is going to be an overhaul.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
They're gonna there's gonna be a lot of guys that
you're not necessarily expecting to not be a part of
the equation. And there have been a few of those already,
and I think there'll be more Bentley, you know, there'll
be more of those those guys like that. You know,
some that they let go as free agents, Son that
they let go not as free agents, like Andrews and Bentley,
and you know, I mean you just look at the draft.

(44:28):
I mean that they're drafting a kicker, They're drafted a
long snapper. Is probably going to be some of the
specialists are going to turn over to So I'm not
surprised by that. You know, Mike was part of that
two thousand and one class and probably was the the
poster child for that two thousand and one free agent class,
and he saw the impact that it had on the
team right away. Yes, Tom Brady was largely responsible for

(44:51):
the success, but that team was better, well, an old
team was a lot better in one than it was
in two thousand, and that's because Bill a completely overhauled
the roster.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
Yeah, why do you think Bill, I mean maybe he didn't,
But why do you think Bill waited until the next
year to do it?

Speaker 2 (45:05):
I didn't do a good question.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
I'm sure he had enough time, yet he didn't get
all the red tape handled until it was like February.
By the time he really died, he was able to
dive into it. And I also think.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
By red tape you mean the league stuff.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Yeah, right now.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
I mean clearly he was looking at the Patriots roster
before that. I'm not naive, but I think there were
also some veterans that were involved that maybe he wasn't
necessarily looking to.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Just get get rid of immediately. Some he did. I
think Coats went right away.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, but you don't think Earthwind Morland was you know
that was later?

Speaker 3 (45:40):
That was like four was that?

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Who were the guys in two thousand that were like?
Who are these guys? I forget like he mentioned some
of the names.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Like well, I was thinking more of like the Chris
Slades and the Bruce Armstrongs of the world.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Yeah, probably seen better.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
They were right, and you know, and it took him
a little bit to figure out, Okay, this one can
stay out. One needs to go that one in then,
you know, I think it was mostly yeah, you're right,
mostly all one that he got, like the Anthony Pleasants
and the Rick Lyles and the Bobby Hamilton's his guys.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
I just remember was that Thanksgiving game in two thousand
in Detroit. What a miserable game. And to me that
was like epitomize like the dearth of talent that that
team had.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
They just struggled.

Speaker 6 (46:21):
They had some salary cap stuff too, right, and two
thousand and kind of reset the books that year. Maybe
that was why it took a year, because back then
the salary cap was.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
A little it's possive, it was a little tougher.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Yeah, it was meaningful then because there was much smaller.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
David Bethlehem This is for Evan. Has anyone done retrospective
studies on how various draft rating lists compared to actual
PFF ratings after one year two years? Uh?

Speaker 6 (46:47):
Yeah, I mean there are studies that have been done
like that, and nothing is ever perfect like drafting. If
they just took like someone's consensus media board and drafted
off the consensus media board, there's going to be hits
and misses, just like there are doing it, you know,
a more scientific way. But I will say in recent

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years it's been the teams that have drafted based off consensus,
and then also the teams that have had good draft
grades that are mostly based off of what we all
thought of the class going in to the draft, that
have done pretty well for themselves. Not all the time,
but there's data that suggests that that the consensus board
is just as good as NFL evaluators, which is kind

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of crazy.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
So I was kind of interested in that email, and
I think Evan answered it one way, and I'm wondering
if he was looking for it a different way. He
kind of said, if anybody has ever done any analysis
on the player rankings, you know, the pre draft rankings
and then looking at PFF. So in other words, as
he's saying, like, so they had Will Campbell as you know,

(47:53):
ot one as you kids like to say, right kids,
and then you go, you know whatever, you know, let's
go Campbell, Membo Banks Simmons Now when we look, say,
after two years of PFF rankings, is Campbell the highest
ranked out of that class?

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (48:15):
You know right, that's what I was wondering, if he's,
if he's, if anyone's ever done it.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Two years?

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Yeah, I mean as opposed to like teams that follow
the board right how closely?

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Because I think that's a thing too.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
I think a lot of people starting to analyze is
there a close they are?

Speaker 2 (48:32):
I know the pro football focus, is there a college football?

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Does college?

Speaker 6 (48:35):
Yeah? They do college now, which is actually really helpful,
but yeah, they there's been studies done by the kids
these days as politics to call them, Uh you know,
that suggests that for the most part, the consensus, not
every individual media guy, but the consensus of one hundred

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different media people tends to be pretty accurate, right, and
so if you ask the data, you know, That's that's
why these consensus boards have become so popular is because
it's pretty good, Like it's not perfect, but it's pretty
good at judging who the best players are in a
draft and just looking you know, anecdotally, because someone asked

(49:17):
me this on Twitter, so I just kind of looked
back at some of the draft grades in recent years
of Patriots right now have the consensus number one draft
class in the NFL, but how accurate is that really
to projecting forward? And the last couple of years it's
you know, been the Jets in twenty twenty two, that
Garrett Wilson Sauce Gardner draft. You know, twenty three was

(49:40):
Pittsburgh or no Philly sorry, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith. So
a lot of it's like two first round picks or
two high picks, you know, at the top of the
draft at help. But for the most part, you know,
they it's been pretty pretty good. And then the teams
that draft the most based off the consensus, Philly Baltimore
like teams like that are some of the teams that

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we all consider the best drafting teams going in the NFL.
It always seems like Baltimore has some consensus great player
that you know as their first round pack. It was
Malchi Starks this year, and he'll probably be just like
Kyle hamilton'll they'll both be studs.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Right.

Speaker 6 (50:14):
So I'm not saying it's perfect, but there's a good day.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
I can tell you definitively. I've spoken to people inside
the building. They do analysis of the Monks.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
You know, when when the draft is over, they get
a bunch of different you know, you know, the higher
profile guys in some of the lower profile guys, and
they figure out who was close and who wasn't, and
they lean on that data moving forward.

Speaker 5 (50:42):
I just keep thinking about a player like Josh Simmons, though,
who wouldn't have made sense for the Patriots, but could
end up being the best tackle in the class. And
then when you look back on it, well, did they
have the ranking wrong or you know, was.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
It just special circumstance.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
Gronk exactly like Gronk everybody loved except for Greg Bdard.
And you know, obviously I'm not killing all the teams
that didn't take Gronk.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
In the first round. There's an obvious.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
Reason why Gronk wasn't selected in the first round, you know.
So that's that part that has to be part of
the equator.

Speaker 6 (51:13):
George Pickens is another one. Like everybody looks back on
that Taekwon draft and George Pickens. I think Pickens might
have went to pick after two picks later. It was
very very clear.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Wide receivers right after.

Speaker 6 (51:24):
But at the time, you know, in the moment. Pickens
had some real concerns about his character and about his makeup,
and it was you know, it was a young football
team and a team with the second year quarterback, and
they just didn't feel comfortable. And I'd say the same
thing about Luther Burden, Like Luther Burden might very well
go on in Chicago and be a hell of a
football player, but he had concerns coming out of college.

(51:46):
There was a reason that they passed on Luther Burden
and took Treyvon Henderson. It wasn't just because they thought
he was a better.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Player, right Luther. Thinking of Luther Ryan and Atlanta, I'm
super happy with the Pagris draft. They did a job
getting good players at good value. And I can't remember
when the national media was this high on the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
My question, Nobe, the last year Belichick was here, Elliott Wolf.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Looked like a different person in the media this year
compared to last year. Do you think he sticks around
after what seems to be a successful draft cycle. I
do so. I wanted to bring this up. I mean,
he he said that for him, this regime made the
process that much easy for him, Like it was just
much more organized than last year. So that was Elliot

(52:31):
Wolf talking about the effect of the new regime at him.
And I've also heard insiders say that Elliott Wolf did
an amazing job with this draft that you know, he
ran that room. This was this was his draft. You know,
we all talked about, oh, you know, Rabel has the
final say, I'm told Wolf ran this draft and this
was his draft, and so all signs point to him

(52:55):
going nowhere.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
Yeah, I mean he's the first guy talking to the
to the prospects right when they were have to you know,
first from him to too Rabel and onto mister Kraft.
So yeah, I mean I think he's here to stay.
And it seems like from the weekend they talked about
having some discussion about we want this guy with you know,
active productive disagreement, which is the next step in this.

(53:17):
When they all started, they said, you know it's not
going all be sunshine and rainbows and'ro can agree on everything.
So it seems like this group's coming together. You've heard
it from Cowden and Vrabel. It is a miss a
mishmash of you know, some different holdover people, people that
like Ryan Cowden was with the Giants, So you have
a lot of different pieces coming in, had to expect
to take a little time to settle in, but successful draft.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
That's a good sign.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
PS from Ryan. Can someone tell Felga to quit complaining
about this draft class, especially when he can't even enunciate
the player's names correctly. I feel like all that guy
does is spread pessimism over the team and he will
never be happy with what they do. Paul, Yeah, tell
them to be accurate.

Speaker 6 (53:56):
That's it, That's all I asked for. He can have
whatever opinion you want. But when he says, oh, you
know they draft a kicker and a long snapper and
they only had eight picks, well, no, they had eleven picks.
They didn't have eight picks, you know, Like it just
things like the difference. Yeah, Like that's a big difference
when you use a seventh round pick on a long
snapper and you've already drafted ten guys, Like it's not

(54:18):
really like you're you're wasting.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Such a golden gem.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
And you know me, I can get wound up about
it pretty much anything. I just can't lose my mind
over like these like sixth and seventh round picks, Like.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
You like, do I think they should have taken a
long snapper. No, but who cares? Like, why are you
so upset about the two hundredth pick of the draft?

Speaker 5 (54:39):
Well, you're consistent, Paul, because a lot of people go
the other way and are like, we got.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
This guy in the seventh round.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Manah, I don't know the little flyer every guy.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
That's why it was only a little bit tongue in cheek,
like when was the last time they were universally applauded,
Like Belichick, I'm telling you, year after year after year,
would you draft these guys? And it was like hey, hey, hey,
because Bill took them and they had to be really
with day with diamonds in the rough on Day three,
even though the last ten years of his tenure there
weren't too many diamonds on the rough. Coming out of

(55:07):
the draft. He was struggling. As Mike, you know, has
gone to great links to point out over the years.

Speaker 6 (55:13):
Well you just can't have it both ways, Like you
can't get on them for drafting a long snapper. But
then also every six and seventh round pick is meaningless, right,
Like you have to be consistent.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
Well, that's why that's why I don't care snapper and
I don't care about six and seventh row.

Speaker 6 (55:27):
But for every time that you know, someone comes in
here and hypes up a di Mario Douglas getting drafted
in the sixth round, and you get, oh, it's a
sixth round pick, Like, what does it matter? And then
like some of the Mike on Wendy, like some of
those guys do go on to be decent football players.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
And that would be my argument he cannot take in
the long snapper would be that like, yeah, I know
it's a one out of ten, one out of twenty,
but I'll take that. Like whereas my long snapper, I
can just sign. There's a million of them out there.

Speaker 13 (55:53):
Now.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
Again, the kicker, to me is a little different. The
kicker was a little different. You didn't really have a
kicker on the roster. And if you identif find this
guy as the best, which as Evan has said, we
talked about it in our show that we did before
a pre show, everybody had that guy number one. So
if you thought he was that much better than everybody else,
take him what he had eleven picks, use one of

(56:15):
the thing and make sure.

Speaker 6 (56:16):
You get tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Baltimore was probably gonna take you.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
So the only thing the only thing I would worry
about again, because you know, I'm contractedly obliated to be concerned.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
He's a kicker from Miami. He's got a kick up here.
It's a big difference, that's true.

Speaker 6 (56:30):
It's got a boomer though.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Yeah, it's a big difference though in the elements.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Good one?

Speaker 8 (56:39):
Hey today, good.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Question.

Speaker 14 (56:44):
I know it's already been hacked. You bring it, but
out here I get you well anyway, wide receiver room,
and he was talking about the undrafted the day sign
and some of them gave him raised on the receivers
that they did get so, and I don't think Met
Collins might be out no besides the original ones, or

(57:08):
do you think anybody else in the class might just
step up and show him to eight. I'm here and
now take it off there.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Okay, have a good day now you too.

Speaker 6 (57:18):
Yeah. So the receiver he's talking about is Efton Chisholm,
who they signed from Eastern Washington as an undrafted free agent.
And I watched a little bit of his tape yesterday
and he's a McDaniel's jitterbug slot Like this guy is exactly,
Like it's like shades of like Riley McCarron, right, like
all over again, great like agility testing at his pro

(57:41):
day iran a sub seven three cone you know, eightieth
percentile type agility numbers really quick, not fast, but quick,
and you know, jitterbuggy and tough to cover in tight spaces.
Like literally every cliche that you could come up with
is what Efton Chisholm is like, So you know he's
he's McDaniel. Like, there's no doubt in my mind that

(58:04):
Josh McDaniel scouted Afton Chisholm and said, can we side
this guy?

Speaker 2 (58:09):
And don't forget once training camp's over, they're gonna have
to fill out a practice squad. Yeah, you know, so
these guys may not make, you know, wide receivers, they
may not make the roster, but you need to have
that practice squad too. I just think, how big is
it now?

Speaker 5 (58:21):
Sixteen sixteen Again, when you're desperate, you need to throw
a lot at the wall. And that's why I like
having a packed depth chart. Doesn't mean any of those
guys are going to emerge, but maybe the competition will
be enough that like again, the message to Javon Baker
is like, dude, you better bring it because if you don't,
you're going to be out.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Let's go to Arizona.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Cole.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Cole?

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Hey?

Speaker 15 (58:46):
How you doing? Can you guys hear me? Okay, yeah,
I'm sorry sport to start off by saying, I second
that ps about Felder. It's about the millionth power. But anyways,
about why I called I of the Will Campbell pick
day one after the draft last year, I was baying,
I was btt in the table for him, and then

(59:06):
watching Venerian Lowe and Montre Jacobs last year just solidified
my opinion on that pick. And then so I got
a question going into the Gonzo Draft, if I would
have told you three years straight you would get your cornerstone, corner, quarterback,
and left tackle. I know that's a little bit fold
on Will Campbell, but you know, if he is like
that Jake Matthews type that Evan said, I will sign

(59:30):
up for that.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
I will sign up for that. If they get three
cornerstones and threat drafts. Right now, I'm pretty sure they
have one of those three.

Speaker 16 (59:38):
Yeah, yeah, I would agree with Dotto, And I know
take that with a grain of salt. Those other picks
haven't been let's just say the best. But and I
got one question, then I'll take it off air. When
can we get harder on the show? I miss him,
just him his fency humor, picking on Eric. I'll take
it off air.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
But who did he say? Who called hardo? Oh? Is
that okay? Heart?

Speaker 8 (01:00:02):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
I just you know, because we were talking about the
roster and stuff, we should probably just give a little
uh the release of the six players yesterday it was
it was Jake Andrews, Marcus Harris, Jaquay Jackson. That's Mike's
favorite because Mike is evidently goes well down the death
shot at wide receiving Mike Uh, Titus Leo, Mark Perry,
and Giovanni Ricci.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
So of course they got to get rid of the Italian.

Speaker 6 (01:00:24):
He's he's like a full back, and they they're signing
brock LAMPI.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
I saw, you know the name full back back baby.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
Okay, it's amazing they didn't have to use like a
fourth round pick on that nice stunner.

Speaker 6 (01:00:35):
I saw yesterday. You know, they ran a power lead
and then they ran play action right after off the
lead action, and I was like, yeah, full back's back.
There we go.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Have you have you watched any of it? Was it
lann len Larisson? Is that?

Speaker 6 (01:00:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
A little bit?

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:00:51):
You know, it's funny because like I compared Chisholm to
like Ryley McCarron and those guys. This guy's like Danny
Wood Danny Woodhead, right, Like he's just another one of these.
Uh you know why bug small school running backs did
have some pretty good tape against cal So, Like he
had like one FBS game from last year. I was
able to get my hands on that he he played
pretty well in. But it's like all it's too funny,

(01:01:12):
Like all of those stereotypes are coming back now that
Josh is back. It's you know, the Danny Woodhead running back,
the Ryley McCarron, you know, Austin Carr, Gunner Ol Chefsky
slot receivers like that. It's all all of those things
are back.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
You know how I give you the I played the
hits of the slot receivers. Evan plays a whole different cast.
That's how many of those guys that I've had, Yeah,
the Austin car and Gunneryl Schevsky.

Speaker 6 (01:01:37):
Yeah, this guy reminded me of so much of like
Riley McCarran. Like, I was, like, this is a carbon
copy of Riley McCarron.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
All right, Uh so we're all gushing about the draft, Trevor,
and Missouria is going to bring us back down to earth.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
I think we have a visitor.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Oh okay, well we'll hold off on reading that email.
We've got somebody here, okay, so why don't we bring
him in? Hi, come on, hey.

Speaker 7 (01:02:04):
That guy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Hey, guys, bring him in. Open the door.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
All right, Aaron there you.

Speaker 8 (01:02:12):
Right, curse right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Nice to meet, and thank you for saying your name
because I've heard it pronounced about a million ways Kylevon
so Calevon.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
I told you don't ever know the name. I told
you don't trust those pronunciations.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
I know you're right. Well, welcome, thank you, thanks for
joining us. So how's it going so far?

Speaker 8 (01:02:41):
Fantastic, fantastic. I'm excited to be a part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
You got some tigers coming in.

Speaker 17 (01:02:46):
Yeah, we're going big with it. I feel like Boston
has a thing for about your baby. Hell yeah, bring
them on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
In one my l s U.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
I have a lot of them. Have a purple one,
a grayish one with some yellow color.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Big Tiger.

Speaker 8 (01:03:00):
That's go and do that. Do that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
That's a tough gold.

Speaker 8 (01:03:03):
That's a that's a tough gold.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
I gotta tell you Yellow.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
So have you had a chance to talk to Campbell
at all? And just like you know, Tiger to Tiger, No,
I haven't got a chance. I wanted to catch him
in the build. I'm sure his phone going crazy.

Speaker 17 (01:03:18):
Yeah, there's a bunch of contexts and so I definitely
want to catch him in the building and just obviously
get good introduced into each other. Obviously, I kept up
with him through his time and other shoes, so super excited.

Speaker 8 (01:03:27):
To have him.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Did you have any relationship with any of the guys
you know? No, not five years.

Speaker 17 (01:03:32):
Yeah, I didn't get a chance to go back and
get it go back obviously and be with the team
as much as I wanted to. But I'm super familiar
with the guys, so I always get good a chance
to watch the game. So I'm huge fans of everybody
that's getting chance.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
I know these guys are going to have some more ski.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
I know you'll have scheme related questions, but I want
to ask you specifically.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
He doesn't know yet. They haven't started.

Speaker 6 (01:03:51):
Okay, I got past.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
Questions real quick though with the l s U stuff,
because we talked a lot with Will and then he
has like the number seven. It's like that playmate thing
that started with Patrick Peterson. You were eighteen.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Isn't that a significant number for LSU two?

Speaker 8 (01:04:06):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Can you explain that a little bit?

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
No?

Speaker 17 (01:04:08):
Most definitely, So eighteen I was I was voted on
upon the team, the team and guy and staff and
around the building and just it definitely it solidifies and
it kind of shows and me and another guy, little
Christian Berry, I was centered.

Speaker 8 (01:04:20):
We both we shared it that year.

Speaker 17 (01:04:22):
But it just kind of exemplifies the leadership and the
character that that the LSU Tigers kind of trying to
represent and we try to implement. Obviously just going through
the program. So obviously it was a super super appreciative
thing and grateful to be able to just receive that.
Called me off guard a little bit and not saying
that I didn't feel like I was truly available capable
of it. But when you think of it, man, it's

(01:04:44):
just a great guys. They got a chance to wear
that and you don't take that, take that, take that
for granted. So to be able to be a part
of that history to wear that number just and always
be ish and Stoneman.

Speaker 8 (01:04:55):
I'm super grateful to be a part of that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
I love those traditions on the sucker for those Yeah,
absolute the college number thing that you know, like William
McGinnis fifty five with your junior says of those traditions.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
I got an issue with a duel carter, but he
did all right, that's for another that's for another show.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
He basically said, I shot my shot.

Speaker 8 (01:05:13):
I heard shot that was.

Speaker 17 (01:05:17):
That was a full court shot.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
A good way to put it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:24):
Paul's being modest by the way. He loved you coming
out of the draft, and he when we signed you
as a free agent, Paul is like he finally came
back around.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
There.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
He got people making fun of me for being a fanboy.

Speaker 6 (01:05:40):
I just I did want to ask you about some
of the early impressions of coach Rable and coach Trell
Williams and all the guys and everything. What are your
early impressions since you've been in the building of the
coaching staff.

Speaker 17 (01:05:52):
Man, super appreciated to be around coaching staff like this.
A lot of former players, a lot of guys who
know the game real well be able to teach you
way that allows you to implement your own style and
still get the job done. So obviously, with very well
being the ex player, a guy who's played my position,
who's who's one who's who has some success and longevity
in the league, he understands that the al the job

(01:06:15):
can be done in many ways. You know, obviously that
there's a certain style and identity that we want to
play with, but obviously there's a technique that there a
lot of everybody obviously, when it comes to the physical
skill set and just kind of what you possess and
kind of how you see the game, you kind of
just everybody kind of has their own way of going
about it. So and he allows that, He allows the
room to kind of just be yourself and kind of

(01:06:35):
go out there and play ball. So super pleased to
to to have that and have that that that longer leash,
as you may say, to kind of go out there
and to be dominant.

Speaker 8 (01:06:46):
And it's been great so far.

Speaker 17 (01:06:48):
Man, He's been such a huge help him, Coach Williams,
my coach, coach Smitty just kind of just being there
step by step. Man, I feel like I'm kind of
being just that annoying pest a little bit, just asking
so many questions, just trying to especially the vaibel. I mean,
you've done it, you know what I'm saying. Like, you've
done what I'm trying to do. You've been next to
obviously another great pass rusher itself and kind of just

(01:07:08):
being dominant. So you know what it takes to win
championships and get there. So man, I'm soaking in everything
about this moment and I love everything that came with it.

Speaker 6 (01:07:16):
I've ever heard that he's so hyper detailed that like
he'll have something about like your hand placement or your
footwork or some of minute detail. Has he done anything
like that with you yet?

Speaker 8 (01:07:27):
Definitely? Definitely. Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:07:28):
So it's just hand placement, like as you're speaking of
pad level, Like he'll just will be in admitted any
drill and he saw something that was in special teams
and he's like, hold on, hold, let me step to
the side, and kind of just I can't get it
off my mind. I got to show you. I got
to make sure you know the right way, and because
it will be a failure on both our parts. In
his part, he feels like itself. You know what I'm saying,
if he don't give us the right technique and the
right you know what I'm saying, right skill sell or

(01:07:49):
the tool bag to go out there.

Speaker 8 (01:07:50):
And out dominant perform.

Speaker 17 (01:07:51):
So, Man, he's been super super critical in detailed when
it comes to the minor things and what you should be. Obviously,
it starts nowt it starts to so when everythings kind
of get tough or whatever, we hit our adversity and
whenever it comes during the season, we just go back
to this time of the year when we just dig
into our foundation that we building, our fundamentals and everything
and take care of yourself from them.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
I want to ask you about last year, I mean
your most productive year in the league. What kind of
came together last year for you and how do you
feel like you can build on it here in New
England this year?

Speaker 8 (01:08:19):
Definitely.

Speaker 17 (01:08:20):
I'm just getting a chance just to take in the
nuggets that I've been gaining all over the years. Man,
each I've gotten a chance to play next to a
pro bowler and Josh Allen, Man I've gotten checks.

Speaker 8 (01:08:29):
And play too.

Speaker 17 (01:08:30):
I think it's a future Hall of Famer and Max Crosby.
So each person that I'm getting a chance to be
I'm getting great coaches and I'm just taking nuggets. I'm
putting them all in my toolbox, and I'm just trying
to figure out which way is my way and that
can get me to have the success and for personal
and team success. So last year, getting a chance to
have that opportunity to go out there and perform it
definitely helps. Having a dominant pastres on opposite in and

(01:08:53):
gain that attention where you have these one on one
battles and then you just have to go out there
and just be better than the man across you. And
I feel like my coaching and my preparation is definitely
put me in a way of walking out dominate my
opponent in any one on one matchup. So when it
came to last year, it was definitely just a sense
of this man, understand which opportunity is and go produce.

Speaker 8 (01:09:10):
So I was super excited for it.

Speaker 17 (01:09:12):
I didn't make sure I didn't take anything anything for granted,
and I just went out there and tried to give
everything I had.

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
Were the differences in the schemes that you had in
Jacksonville as opposed to last year.

Speaker 8 (01:09:22):
Yeah, Yeah, definitely a difference. Last year was a four
to three defense.

Speaker 17 (01:09:25):
Jacksonville was a multiple defense, so it was a lot
of outsiur linebackers kind of like somebody's going somebody's not
a hybrid. They played out, but I mean even still
just kind of nowadays, everybody's kind of playing more sub front,
you know, just kind of getting down to the fidawn front.

Speaker 8 (01:09:38):
But how it was.

Speaker 17 (01:09:40):
Just last year in Vegas, It's like, man, there's no
even thinking about it. You got the best pass rushing
in the league. They fell in Max Crosby and you
have another pass rusher and they feel like it's dominant
as well. They can win the one on ones. Let's
start with their and that'll erect the game itself, and
we're kind of figure out everything else on the back end.
So obviously the team's successful is where we wanted to be.
But when it comes to I feel like the Pastors

(01:10:02):
production that it definitely produced a lot for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Do you like coming off the left or right side?
What do you prefer?

Speaker 8 (01:10:08):
I like getting to the quarterback matter, just know where
I'm at.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Okay, off the field. Have you had a chance to
settle into New England yet? How familiar were you with
the area before you got here? And what's your impressions
of living in New England so far.

Speaker 17 (01:10:24):
I'm still justin. I'm still adjusting. I'm trying to figure
it out. Definitely trying to figure out the weather here.
I think that's just something I'm just gonna have to
just accept whatever the day comes with. But then I'm
still adjusted, just trying to get familiar with the areas
around and kind of where to be at and not be.
But everybody's been super nice and definitely accepting here, and

(01:10:48):
I'm super appreciative. I think I get a chance to
go to my first Celtics game today, so I'm looking
forward to seeing what that atmosphere is like and kind
of just.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Don't mess around down.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Have you watched that Celtics City documentary that's on HBO
now didn't get a chance to, Well, if you wanted
a good history of the Celtics, I would recommend it.
I'm gonna have to definitely put that on the team.
Are you Are you an NBA fan? Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:11:16):
Yeah, I'm a huge You.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
Would be in the NBA if you weren't playing in
the NFL. I assume, like all the rest of the players.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Since you've never lived here, I'm assuming Celtics. What's who's
your team from Houston? So I'm always rocking with the Rockets, man.
So we took it up yesterday. But we got a
game tomorrow, man, so looking forward to seeing how we
come out. Okay, I would have to. I was there.

Speaker 6 (01:11:39):
You got one of ours an email coaching the thing.
Who was that sidebar?

Speaker 5 (01:11:46):
That was?

Speaker 8 (01:11:47):
Never mind?

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Like three rawlins he was playing for Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Went, I thought it was Houston. Never mind.

Speaker 8 (01:11:53):
We got a pololize about that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Yeah, that's tough keeping the dream, that's all.

Speaker 6 (01:11:58):
Yeah, t mac man, come, I'll ask football.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Drag us down.

Speaker 6 (01:12:10):
Uh used the double swipe a lot, and I'm just curious,
you know what, what do you like so much about
that move? And what's it like? Sack and Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 17 (01:12:28):
But I mean, don't it's a it's a great move.
I think it's an opportunity. They get a chance to
get your shoulders towards the quarterback and get you to
see the quarterback. That's the biggest thing part of the
past shorts and kind of just knowing obviously you're going
to get somebody who's back towards quarterback. He never knows
where he's really stepping up, stepping back, moving. So once
you kind of get those shoulders and those hips turned
towards the quarterback, and that kind of puts you in

(01:12:49):
a great position how you want to go power, go
outside of still, or kind of take it back inside
wherever you may go.

Speaker 8 (01:12:55):
So it gives you a lot of options.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
For sure.

Speaker 6 (01:12:57):
I think the Chiefs they signed the tackle and they
drafted because you kept on, we got it, we gotta
do something.

Speaker 8 (01:13:04):
You got to fix that. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Well that's great, listen. I know you've got other things
to do. You're busy, but we really appreciate you coming
in and now that you know we're here, anytime you
want to stop it.

Speaker 17 (01:13:15):
Yeah, I'm definitely getting a chance to come by here more.
I do appreciate that we do restaurant.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Reviews, movie reviews, whatever you want.

Speaker 8 (01:13:21):
I need the restaurant list, for sure.

Speaker 17 (01:13:23):
I need to get that kind of start from there
and give me all the Boston history. I'm starting with
the what's it called Celtic Celtic City. Yeah, I'm gonna
start with that. I'm having to maybe catch it on
the plane ride and kind of see it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
It's good. I think it's like eight nine episodes.

Speaker 8 (01:13:40):
Keep you busy for that's good work. That's good work
for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Okay, hey, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:13:46):
No, I appreciate you guys, thank you all so much.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Thanks for coming in.

Speaker 8 (01:13:49):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
There's the door my food.

Speaker 6 (01:13:58):
All right, I don't give.

Speaker 5 (01:14:02):
Keep your playbook away from them.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
All right, thank you all right. Kalavon, Kalavon, Kalavon, Chason,
thank you for coming in. We're going to take a break.
When we come back. More in your calls and emails
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Speaker 8 (01:16:00):
What's going on? How y'all doing?

Speaker 13 (01:16:02):
First off, for any questions, I just want to, you know,
say a special thank you to the Crafts, the entire
Patriots coaching staff. It's a complete honor and privilege to
represent this organization. I'm super excited to be a part
of this and I'm looking forward to what the future holds.
And Wing open up with some questions.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Well, I quote very passionately sorry about that night. Last night.

Speaker 10 (01:16:32):
You spoke very passionately about a conversation you had with
Elliott Wolfe in week five of last year where you
said New England is where I want to go to.
New England is where I want to play. What was
the spark maybe behind that passion? And given the fact
that there's a whole new coaching staff here, I don't
think Drake had even played at that point. What caused
you to think that way? And I guess that is

(01:16:54):
this the culmination of that conversation?

Speaker 13 (01:16:56):
Yeah, I think you know, the biggest thing for me
was I wanted to play for an organization that had history,
that cared, that wants to win. That's the thing for me.
I want to come in and I want to win,
and I want to do whatever it takes to help
the team win. And you know, Drake is a heck
of a player. I'm super excited to, you know, build
our relationship. Coach Brabele is a guy that I want

(01:17:19):
to play for. This is an organization, you know, the
proof is in the pudding with this place, and that's
something that I want to be a part of. So
for me to be able to represent you know, this
organization where that logo on the side of my helmet
and on the front of my jersey, it's everything I
could ever ask for.

Speaker 20 (01:17:37):
You go ah, hey, well over here, welcome to New England.
Congratulations and getting drafted. Coach Rabel told us yesterday about
your workout. You know, we know we had the blocking
pad if you put them on the ground. Setting that aside,
he'd also expressed he could tell in your eyes you
made a point that day to get drafted number four overall.
Can you provide some more detail what that visit and

(01:17:58):
workout was like you did to obviously deliver yourself as
a number four pick.

Speaker 13 (01:18:03):
Yeah. I mean for me, it was just coming out
there and you know, giving them everything that they flew
down there to get, showing how intent I was, how
coachable I can be, and just really having all lives
on what they wanted to see whatever they wanted to see,
I was willing to do no matter what it was,
and that's something that I just wanted them to know

(01:18:24):
because I'm going to do whatever they asked me to
do to help this team win in any way that
I can.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Well.

Speaker 21 (01:18:34):
Congratulations, Welcome to New England. Mike Rabele was saying yesterday that,
you know, sounds like you're probably going to play left
tackle here at least give you that opportunity. What does
that mean to you and how important is that to
you to play left tackle?

Speaker 13 (01:18:46):
Yeah, I mean it's a pretty cool opportunity to have.
You know, I'm just super thankful for them giving me
this opportunity, to them believing in me. I'm super excited
for what the future holds here and I really just
can't wait to get back out here after today and get.

Speaker 8 (01:19:02):
Back to work.

Speaker 22 (01:19:06):
Hi Will, congratulations on getting drafted. I'm just curious. I
know you were number sixty six at LSU and it
seems like you're gonna wear that here as well. Just
what's the significance of that number for you?

Speaker 13 (01:19:18):
Yeah, I mean it's just something I started wearing my
freshman year in high school. That number is going with
me as I've grown as a player and I continue
to grow as a player. So I'm just super thankful
that Wes was able to, you know, let me wear
that and then it all just worked out. But yeah,
I'm just looking forward to.

Speaker 23 (01:19:38):
It real nice to meet you. Congratulations. What has today
been like for you? What have you been doing? You know,
you got on the plane, you came here, what did
you do with the ownership group? And what have you
done since you've gotten here to Foxborough?

Speaker 13 (01:19:55):
Yeah, I mean we flew in this morning, had some
breakfast things like that. It's just been really everybody meeting
my family. You know, we're out of the you know,
it's that interview process now it's you know, it's over.
So now it's all about, you know, the next step
and that's us getting ready to go play this coming
up season and you know, just being up here, you know,

(01:20:16):
still building a relationship with all the coaches and things
like that, meeting some of the guys. Uh So, yeah,
that's really what Canday has consisted of.

Speaker 24 (01:20:26):
Hey, well, congratulations, welcome to New England.

Speaker 23 (01:20:29):
I'm curious what does it make for you working with
Duke manny Weather.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
I know you guys have been doing some stuff together.
And how do you feel like he's helped you advance
your game in the time that you have been together.

Speaker 13 (01:20:37):
Uh, yeah, for sure. Duke is the best I think
when it comes you know, offensive line training. You know,
the guys that he trained speech for themselves.

Speaker 8 (01:20:45):
I think.

Speaker 13 (01:20:45):
You know this past season he trained eight Pro bowlers,
So you know, that's something that I want to be
a part of, you know, and he's very you know,
hands on. That's what I like.

Speaker 8 (01:20:53):
That's what I like about coach Rabel.

Speaker 13 (01:20:55):
Too, And so for me to be able to go
and work with him, I had the opportunity whenever I
was in college, and I knew that after the you know,
those two days they're training with him, that that's where
I was going to be as long as I'm playing, you, sir,
I will congratulations.

Speaker 23 (01:21:12):
I'm just curious as you walked in today, your first
thoughts of Jillette Stadium.

Speaker 8 (01:21:16):
That's awesome.

Speaker 13 (01:21:17):
You know, whenever I came here for my thirty visit
right after the NFL Combine, you know, I walked in
here and came in right over there.

Speaker 11 (01:21:24):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (01:21:25):
You know, whenever you come up here, you always see
it on TV and all the history, you know that
comes with this stadium. For me to be able to,
you know, put that jersey on and run out of
that tunnel here coming up soon is going to be
pretty special.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
Well, welcome to New England.

Speaker 24 (01:21:44):
Just wondering Drake May posted last night on on X
he said love this guy already after some of your
comments last night, Just two questions. Have you had the
opportunity to speak with Drake May and just generally your
reaction to his comments.

Speaker 13 (01:21:59):
Last Yeah, I mean that's my quarterback, so I'm just
super excited to continue to build the relationship with him,
get to know each other as People's something I'm looking
forward to. I'm a quarterback guy. I care about him
a lot off the field and on the field. And yeah,
we were able to talk. He met my family, so
that was pretty cool. We just talked for a little bit.

(01:22:22):
He had to do some stuff and things like that
and we had stuff to do. But you know, it
was short and sweet. But you know that relationship will
continue to grow, you know, as more as I'm up here.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Hi, Well we'll come to New England.

Speaker 21 (01:22:36):
I'm just wondering if you have a talk to Josh
McDaniels and how do you see yourself faking his offensive?

Speaker 8 (01:22:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:22:42):
I was able to talk to, you know, coach McDaniels
whenever I was up here on my thirty visit, and
you know, he's been here for so long. I mean,
it's just an honor to play for him. He's coached
a lot of good offenses, you know, in his years here,
and I'm just super excited to get to work with him.
I'm gonna do whatever you ask of me, and I'm
just really honored to be able to play for him.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
And now great moments in.

Speaker 6 (01:23:10):
History, you know, when we go to Ford Field to
play the Lions. Yeah, and they do that pregame show.

Speaker 24 (01:23:15):
There's that kid who was like in his early thirties
maybe at most at most, and.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
He's like, Hey, everybody, welcome to Ford Field. We're gonna
be talking about the dry Lions that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
We're gonna be talking about the Ford travel Yeah, Like why.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
Do they do that?

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Like why did that become a thing?

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
It's always been that way.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Hi, everybody's Beth Mullions in the Angele's Chargers.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
But it lets me go to bed of the Bride.

Speaker 7 (01:23:43):
And it's more that it looks a little cold today.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
That was like a mix voice and Harry carry right,
I would pay you.

Speaker 19 (01:23:52):
One hundred dollars to do the rest of the show
just like that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
I love that's pretty that's what she said. That's another
great moment from all right back here on Patriots on
Phil to Klevan Chasing joining us.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
No, I think that's it.

Speaker 6 (01:24:11):
I think no, I think he got it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
I think I don't know what what he what should
have said?

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
That's what he said, he did.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
He's a cale, he said.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
It's Caleb.

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
We could go back WorldWind the tape of what it's like.

Speaker 6 (01:24:27):
We have the tapers.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Chason came in.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Thank you to Chase on for coming in. But No,
that was good to see him. First time I've talked
to him.

Speaker 6 (01:24:34):
First time, we'd Yeah, first time any of us have talked.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
Yeah, so you know I would thought you were going
to be more excited.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
I was mad at him.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
He's an edge guy.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
No, I was excited now that any noises an edge guy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
He's That's why I asked.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
Him about having a good year last year. You know,
it seemed to come together a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:24:51):
I mean, I give him a lot of credit for
kind of tip of the cap.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
Max Crosby on the other side of rushing. It does
make things a.

Speaker 5 (01:24:56):
Little bit easier when you're going across from that guy.
But but now it's pressed with him, and yeah, I
mean they need him this year. Hopefully he can build
on what he did last year.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
Energy.

Speaker 4 (01:25:05):
I think it just is another example of sort of
changing things over and trying to create a different culture
than what they had.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
You can hear it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
You can hear the enthusiasm and the energy in his voice.
Now that doesn't mean anything, I know for you get
that scoffing. Look, if you can't play, he can't play, right.
He's going to have to produce on the field, right.
But I just I kind of like the vibe of
these guys that are coming in to talk to us,
some of them we haven't ever met before.

Speaker 5 (01:25:32):
I like the vibe and see why he would want
to be here because there's tons of opportunity for him.
I mean, if he wants to build on that year,
if it all wants to click for him, and I
guess this year six, I guess you know he's gonna
have the opportunity.

Speaker 6 (01:25:42):
To signed a one year deal too, so he might
hit the market again next offseason if he has a
good year here and then he had one of his
very years last year. Then the Zach Patrick mahomes a
couple of times.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
It looks like your people are going to have a
tough time figuring out who the good Guy of the
Year award is. Oh yeah, sounds like we've got a
lot of good guys.

Speaker 6 (01:26:01):
Yes, we have a lot of a lot of good guys.
That's true in some uh, you know, good guys that
have now departed so like they're out of the running
for the good Guy Award. They're still good guys, they're
just not lost three really guys.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
The media does an annual good Guy award, the guy who.

Speaker 6 (01:26:19):
Maybe this year will get you know, ahead of time.
I will find out five minutes before.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
It's all right, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Spiing Fresno says Paul is now responsible for elaborating on
what a tough gold looks like? Is it mustard yellow?
Has the gold worn down with time and use? Maybe
light is refracted differently now that Paul's clothing rests more
vertically than horizontally. As Linda Richmond would say, talk amongst you,
that's yellow. He snapped, Oh no, he corrected me quickly,

(01:26:51):
Oh yeah, true, L s U.

Speaker 8 (01:26:53):
Gold.

Speaker 6 (01:26:55):
It is funny, like those.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
Are the types of make up play Terry Clinton, what
are we doing a play on ball?

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Nobody knows what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
Just threw a showing Aaron Glenn highways on on NFL network.

Speaker 6 (01:27:07):
You know, Aaron Glenn was the coach of the Jets,
and I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
I didn't know if it was true or not, but
it is.

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
Hates everybody and everything in the league, especially the seventy Steelers.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Oh no, everybody and everything.

Speaker 6 (01:27:20):
Way to get me started on the seventy Steiers. I
heard the ball boy got into the Pro Football Hall
of Fame on the seventies Steelers.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
That's true.

Speaker 6 (01:27:28):
You know us we're we're trying to you know, the
Patriots dynasty. It's like trying to pull teeth. But you know,
I heard the third string long snapper and the seventy
Steelers in the Pro Football Fame and the.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
Water blay on the Steelers had like a six gallon jug.
He was just walking down with one armhold.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
He's got a bust and can You're right there was
too much uh, too many Steelers got in at that time.
I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
Would you care to elaborate, No, I just think there
was which one, A lot of all of them, A
lot of them. That's what I was getting at all
of them.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Not even.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
A great player I.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Would shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 6 (01:28:05):
Lin Swans.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
I think Stalwart has a better case than Swan.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Well, then they both shouldn't be.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
I think Star Wars should be like.

Speaker 5 (01:28:12):
The classic one of the tastic guys that should like
the people say it should.

Speaker 6 (01:28:16):
And it's also different, like a Julian Edelman.

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
It's like a very different wow, wow, wow, very different
era of football. They didn't throw it as much. Their
numbers would be dwarfed by guys that will even won't
ever sniff the Hall of Fame. Now those two, but
I mean Jack Lambert, I didn't say anything about Terry Bradshaw,

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Like those guys aren't Hall of Famer.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
Reno from Knoxville, Tennessee. I haven't been this static about
the draft class since Chandler Jones High Tower. I'm really
happy we got Campbell. I can't decide if I like
Henderson or Williams. Pick more. If we can hit on
three or four of these picks, that means we're headed
in the right direction, and I'll be so full of
joy and hope. Also, you all were great over the weekend.

(01:29:05):
I didn't listen live because I love watching it on TV,
but I listened the next day and so I could
listen to your reactions. Keep up the great work. Well,
thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:29:16):
I don't care with the I don't care when you listen,
just so you get three or four guys that turn
out to be frontline players.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
That's how you that's how you rebuilt quickly.

Speaker 6 (01:29:23):
I feel like the guy that doesn't get mentioned because
of the position that might have the cleanest path besides
Will Campbell is Jared Wilson. Like Jared Wilson, for most
people believe that Jared Wilson is going to be a
really good starting center in the NFL. Now it's a
center versus hitting on a wide receiver. I understand that.
But if there's a guy other than Will Campbell who

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I feel like is going to be a starter in
this league for a decent amount of time, it's going
to be Jared Wilson. So don't don't sleep on him either.
I feel like he's absolutely Yeah. They talk a lot
about the skill players, but not so much about center.

Speaker 5 (01:29:57):
I mean, what are some of the good h petitions
position competitions. Left guard feels wide open. Center maybe not
wide open, but Brad Berry is there as a placeholder.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
Roles aid receiver, Yeah, roles that receiver is a good
way to put it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
A little bit of roles at running back, but not
so much.

Speaker 5 (01:30:15):
Tight ends pretty much set, you know, defensive front probably
pretty much set, just because you have a handful of
guys that are the guys.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Slot corner maybe that's a that's a question.

Speaker 6 (01:30:24):
Corner corner.

Speaker 4 (01:30:25):
That extra safety, I don't know if if that's going
to be, you know, if they'll have like four corners
and two safeties or if they need you know, Jalen
Hawkins or Craig Woodson or whoever.

Speaker 5 (01:30:36):
Else another kicker competition this summer. I kind of enjoy those.
I mean, it's just adds a little bit of flavor
to the very end.

Speaker 4 (01:30:44):
Ink wasted on that every year founds me. I mean,
I I write it every day. I right the wrap
up of the field goal kicking results every day, and
so I do it too. I'm guilty.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
I wonder everybody else, I wonder how practice will look
compared to past years, because we sort of like last
year was pretty similar to you know the structure of it,
but I.

Speaker 4 (01:31:06):
Last year was a noticeable difference in how long it
took them to start practicing. It seemed like they were
on the field for like somewhere between forty five minutes
and an hour and fifteen minutes with.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
Just dropped throughs and stretching and drills before they actually practiced.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Seven on seven or eleven on eleven. Yeah, so I
wonder how Vrabel will do it this year.

Speaker 6 (01:31:25):
Yeah, I definitely look at the back of cornerback competition.
You know, you have Alex Austin, Isaiah Bolden, Marcella's Dial, Uh,
you know those guys, And I was kind of reconfiguring, uh,
you know, the depth chart and the roster last night.
I was looking at that and it's like, all right,
you feel really good about Christian Gonzalez and Carlton Davis obviously,

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but the depth behind that, you know, someone's going to
have to kind of step up and be that third corner,
you know, because you assume Marcus Jones will probably play
a lot in the slot. So you know who's is
it Austin, is it Bolden? Is it Dial? Is it
when we're not thinking about it's it's a little thin there.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
If I had even I mean, maybe he's in the
next Yeah, probably a little high for him.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
But Iowa Tim writes in there was not any pick
where it said what the crap are they doing? All
the way to the end, I got it. It made sense,
getting what is needed today and tomorrow. Notice they are
cleaning house already. A bunch of guys gone. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:32:22):
Do you guys remember off the top of your head
any Belichick drafts that made no sense at the time,
and then between a year to two later you were like, oh,
now I get what he's going for, because I honestly don't.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
I don't either.

Speaker 4 (01:32:34):
I mean I can think of a lot of guys,
you know, and everybody would make fun of us because
Fred was part of this too, Like we would sit
there and say, Duke Dawson, you know, Juwan Williams. I
can remember a lot of those kinds of picks that
raised our eyebrows and didn't pan out ras I Dowling,
you know, like what like that seemed like three rounds early?
You know, I think a twenty two drift maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
Like dron Harmon.

Speaker 4 (01:32:58):
Doron Harmon's a guy that I think that we all
were like that seems a little early for him, and
he turned out to have, you know, a pretty solid career.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
Yeah, maybe he'd be an example of that.

Speaker 5 (01:33:06):
Yeah, seems more and more of that as he got
into the twenty tens. I mean Fred mentioned Rossie Dowling
twenty eleven.

Speaker 4 (01:33:12):
I think, yes, absolutely, And I say this all the time.
There's a I think a revisionist history with the Devin
mccordy pick that you know, and I saw it actually
repeated recently as this pre draft period came up. Devin
mccordy was scheduled to be a late first early second
round pick. His profile talked about how he would be

(01:33:34):
effective on all four downs, and people glombed onto that
last part of me like they drafted a special team.
No one really said that, but it was kind of
like a mocking punchline, and then all of a sudden,
it was like building it again.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
Well, I like everybody did question the pick.

Speaker 4 (01:33:56):
They did, but not where he was taken, like people
questioned the Jordan Richard's pick because it was five rounds
before everybody else thought he was going to go. Devin
mccordy went when exactly where he was supposed.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
That might be true. I mean, it's the same with
Kyle Dugger. People were like, oh, but he was scheduled
to go where he went. But I do remember, guarantee
you they got an A on the draft. I do guarantee.
I do remember at the time people questioning the mccordy pick.
I remember, he's not really good at anything. He's not
good enough at anything to be a first round pick,

(01:34:27):
is what I heard.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
I don't remember hearing.

Speaker 10 (01:34:29):
I do.

Speaker 4 (01:34:30):
I remember people questioning the pick because they wanted somebody
else that's different. But like Jordan Richards, Tavon, Wilson, Strange,
Cole Strange, these are guys that were drafted and everybody said, like,
what are we doing? Though everybody else has these guys
as day three guys, and we're taking him early day two.
That I remember, I mean mccordy, I don't. I remember

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people not necessarily loving the mccordy pick. Fred's right about that,
but not like, what are we doing? We picked a
third three guy in the first round, like I don't
remember people doing.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
Vohmer was questioned he was a second round pick out
of Houston.

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
Volmer was definitely questioned he didn't. He wasn't invited to
the combine. He had the back problems. Uh, they thought
he was a project. I remember he was asked specifically
in the post draft press Carmence. Bill was asked, if
you know, is this guy kind of a project for
round two? And Bill got his back up. No, it's
not a project.

Speaker 5 (01:35:22):
Maybe I'm wrong here, I'm just kind of flying off
the cuff, but it seems like when you look at Bill,
some of his best performances weren't necessarily pulling performances out
of players he drafted, like we're talking about. It was
more pulling those performances out I would say, like free
agents and guys that were acquired that way, you know
what I mean, like like a sterling More type, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
Like like just some of those years when he knew
they didn't have the horses.

Speaker 5 (01:35:45):
It was never that, Oh, now all of a sudden,
Tevon Austin has stepped up and played well. It was
you know when they did out guys step up and
play well.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
I felt like, I don't know, I.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Mean, I feel about every team has those though.

Speaker 4 (01:35:57):
They would they would find they would find some guys
on the scrap heap, and I think Bill would identify
a specific skill set that he had that would work
for him, you know, like Kyle Van Noy as an example.
You know that that came over a key Mayers did it.
You know, it wasn't a great player, but I think
Bill asked something very specific out of him that he
could do for sure, and he contributed. You know, you

(01:36:19):
know Mark Anderson the year that he came in and
had like ten sacks.

Speaker 6 (01:36:22):
Yeah, yeah, is a good one that I remember Kyle
Van noy is saying, you know, Detroit was asking me
to do ABC. Bill grabbed me and asked me to
do X y Z, and I was better at X
y Z, and so it automatically just.

Speaker 4 (01:36:36):
I think he's good at that. I think that was Bill,
And I think Bill was one of those guys that
could sort of better extrapolate from guys that were in
the NFL. Yeah, those skills transit.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
There's a few like Steven Neil for example, he did
a good job at like identifying the skills required.

Speaker 4 (01:36:53):
I give that Dante okay, but only because he identified
a skill set and put him on the defensive line.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah, it was Dante
that said, you know, let me work with them, Okay,
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
And then and then of course Edelman in the seventh
round picking a quarterback from Kent and knowing he's not
gonna be a quarterback, but he.

Speaker 4 (01:37:12):
Can pay what you're gonna do. He can play football,
you know, and you don't tell anybody what position you're playing.

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
We don't know.

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Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
How old do you have to be, Fred, you know,
I think eighteen.

Speaker 6 (01:38:03):
Yeah, I don't even getting kids down here. I think
Bart was younger. I think he might be sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
Was he the bartender at that time?

Speaker 6 (01:38:10):
No, because he's too young to sell alcohol. They had
him selling like cracker jack, so really yeah, yeah, he
used to do that at the stadium.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
You mean like at a concession booth.

Speaker 21 (01:38:19):
No, he was.

Speaker 6 (01:38:21):
Hawker. Yeah, yeah, you know, he grew up in Sharon,
so he grew up right down there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
So like, would he get into arguments with people like
you know that? I don't know, but you don't really
don't want to combine pepsi with that, you want to
get a pepsi with this.

Speaker 6 (01:38:35):
I'm sure he, you know, cheated on a bunch of
occasions and actually was watching the game instead of selling.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
I thought, you're going to start eating the food he
was trying to.

Speaker 6 (01:38:44):
I mean maybe that too.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
Yeah, did you do Patriots Schames?

Speaker 6 (01:38:47):
He were Patriots Schames or yeah? No, I think I
think a little bit of both. Yeah. Wow, he's told
the story before. On When I read that ad the
first time, I was like, this is you Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
So his career is going downhill?

Speaker 6 (01:39:02):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
Iggy Iggy from Spain Madrid writes in best draft coverage ever,
Good Chemistry and the Crew. The reference that Paul made
to Rivers and tides maybe laugh epic discussion onto the draft.
I like it because it is logical. Needed a left tackle,
drafted one, needed help it, half back, wide receiver, drafted

(01:39:25):
two players. Of course, you never know. If the guys
can't play, this would be a horrible draft. But doing
logical things normally bring better results than doing illogical ones
like drafting cold strange in the first round. I also
noticed a lot of people in the war room. Was
it more crowded in the Belichick male era or is
this a wrong impression? I think it was more crowd

(01:39:49):
think it was a little bit more now now, yeah,
from what I heard, I never sort of looked to me,
I never go down. But from the people who were
there every year, they said they probably were more people there.

Speaker 4 (01:40:01):
So Iggy's comment, I would have to say, is that's
a paraphrasing of the comment that I've received the most.
I would say in the two or three days, people
that are asking me, you know, friends on the street, whatever,
people on Twitter, you know, what do you think logical?

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
I've heard that word a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:40:22):
The picks made sense to people, and Iggy's right, you know,
it made sense to draft a guard when you didn't
have a guard you needed to plug one in, but
it wasn't the.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
Right guy well, and it wasn't the right place, right. Yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
It can all make sense and not work. But I
think that that's probably the comment that I've heard the
most was I get it. These picks all made sense
to me. They didn't reach, they stuck to the board.
They took positions of need that were deep positions of talent,
and I think people are excited about that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
I think it's to me too, it's more than just
the positions.

Speaker 5 (01:40:56):
It's the type and that, like I've been saying the
whole time, like I want to fast wide receiver, Like
we talked a lot about types of wide receivers, and
not only did they add the explosive wide receiver, but
they add an explosive.

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
Running back too.

Speaker 5 (01:41:07):
So it's the traits to me too, that are really
checking the boxes that I feel like they needed to check.

Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:41:13):
You know, Elliott Wolf talked about or being more organized,
and some people took that certain ways, and like, I
just feel like it's a nice mix of personalities that
they have right now, of like guys like Rabel and
guys like Stretch, who's more of like administrative football and
Ryan Cowden with his experience, it just it seemed like

(01:41:33):
it helped Elliott Wolf kind of settle things down in
terms of, you know, delegating and you know, really being
able to trust people to help him, be able to
kind of see from the thirty thousand foot view, because
I think he's always been, at his heart a scout
and I think Elliot Wolf does have an eye for talent,
but maybe needed some help with like sort of you know,

(01:41:55):
organizing the process. And I think that that's where a
lot of these guys that they've added to the to
the room now, you know, it seemed like it was
really the those guys in the Loonzo Highsmith that we're
doing the real heavy lifting for the draft, and it
seemed just so much more fluid and organized with that group.

Speaker 3 (01:42:12):
I think very what I heard.

Speaker 5 (01:42:13):
Yeah, Abele just seems to have a vision of what
he wants, and I think that makes it just easier
on everybody because you know what you're looking for, you
have your marching orders, you know which guys should be
in and what should be out. And I think it
seems like he's communicating that clearly to the staff and
that's what you get it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
Yep, Sean and Vancouver on the hotline. What's up Sean.

Speaker 16 (01:42:34):
Hey, I'm just gonna take you up baker phone. Trying
to get a couple of things. So when people are
talking about this draft, uh in glowing terms. You know,
you're getting these amazing ratings from from the media. Uh,
not to say that this is going to be what happens.

Speaker 15 (01:42:54):
We don't know.

Speaker 16 (01:42:55):
We have to wait and see how to play. So
but this is what I wanted to see, something that
aligns more with the consensus, big bore. And that's why
they're getting the grapes they're getting because the players that
they selected were ones that are falling to them, the
ones that they expect, not the head scratchers that been
made in the past. So it's more like drafts that

(01:43:18):
the Eagles and Ravens have been doing, going along that
kind of approach. Now, the other thing I want to
say is like when I called in on Thursday and
I mentioned the fullback, what I meant wasn't that we're
going to go back to Dublin and running the fullback
on most of our basic plays. I meant more like,
you know, six to ten plays a game, more like

(01:43:39):
a Tory Carter because one area the Patriots really needed
help in last year was in short yardage and maybe
this could also help Drake, may do some more play
action or just quarterbacks seeking and stuff like that, even
when you have the fullback in there. So that's what
I was trying to get at, that they were going
to take up undrafted free a.

Speaker 8 (01:44:00):
And they still.

Speaker 16 (01:44:01):
I know, Devan, you were kind of time and cheek,
but yeah, I think that that might be important to
player just for a two plays.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
All right, thanks Sean.

Speaker 6 (01:44:08):
I'm an advocate for the fullback. I love fullbacks. I
think they bring a lot of schematic advantages to not
just a run game, but also a play action pass
offense as well. And nowadays you see different formations where
the quarterback is in the gun or in the pistol
and they still have an offset lead blocker in the
full back and you call it a sidecar formation, and

(01:44:32):
like you can do that now or you're not under center.
But the ability to have the full back go in
either direction and add blocks onto either side of the
formation with that unpredictability, and then to sequence that together
with the same look. But it's play action, you know,
those things can be really difficult to decipher for defenses,
so I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
I don't think it's worth having a full back for
five or six plays a game.

Speaker 6 (01:44:55):
I think a full back, you know, certainly for a
short yardage like that could be worth. But the teams
that that implement a full back and use it to
maximize our teams that like base with a full back
on the field, right, you know, like the forty nine
ers or the Miami Dolphins or teams like that that
really use the full back, like I was saying as
as sort of you know, a schematic ring Mike Alstott. Oh, yes,

(01:45:21):
well Mike all Star was also running.

Speaker 3 (01:45:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:45:24):
But yeah, I understand that Paul is saying in terms of, like,
you know, those guys don't bring a lot, you know,
to the passing game.

Speaker 4 (01:45:31):
In terms of just thinking those guys are special, like
Kyle Yushchik is a special player. Yeah, Like, and that
allows you to open up a lot of things for
your offense. I would never argue with you on in
terms of the creativity that that allows you. But I
think those guys are special.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:45:46):
I don't think that James Devlin was capable of opening
that up for you. James Devlin was a plow horse
who helped you in the running game. Absolutely twenty eighteen.
That was a big part of their power. And not
to get I'll have it on you, you know, like,
but that was a big part of the running game.
And that's fine, you can do that. I don't want
to play that way, but that's me. I'm stubborn, but

(01:46:08):
you know, totally admit that I'm stubborn.

Speaker 6 (01:46:10):
They averaged over eleven yards per play action pass attempt
with Devilon on the field in eighteen because they they're
showing the same formation and the same look to the defense.
So when he leads up through the hole, the linebacker
is going to come down to try to meet him
in the hole. And then it's Brady still got the
ball and he's throwing it right by his ear right.
And those types of things are Josh McDaniels. You know,

(01:46:31):
Josh McDaniels loves himself some iso like just run the
full back right through the middle of the line of scrimmage.
The bat goes right behind him. Like that's a staple,
day one install type of play for McDaniels.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
When it works, it works.

Speaker 5 (01:46:44):
Who's this guy on NFL Network comparing travon On Henderson
to Marshall Fock.

Speaker 6 (01:46:49):
I don't know, like this is the type of draft
analysis that just drives me crazy, Like this is how
you set up people to fail, you know, and you're
you're saying, like Ashton Gent is going to be the
next Ladanian Tomlinson, like.

Speaker 4 (01:46:59):
They said Jones Drew, Yeah, that was that was his
that was his compln Dons Philly Hey Don, Hey.

Speaker 25 (01:47:10):
Guys, I just want to say love to the draft
and obviously hindsight is twenty twenty, but just wanted to
bring up two hypotheticals and you know they are mutually
exclusives to take it for what it is, but so
we took Campbell and Henderson. If you look back, would
you have preferred having gens a nursery you wouldn't have

(01:47:33):
had the trade up. And then, like I said, it's
mutually exclusive. If you go from second to third round pick,
would you rather have Luther Burden and Dylan Samson or
keep Henderson and Kyle Williams Nanks guys.

Speaker 4 (01:47:47):
Yeah, and I've heard that before, like the second ones
are gonna be yeah, worth keeping an eye on.

Speaker 2 (01:47:51):
But the whole thing you know genty and nursery, I
get it. But if the Patriots had taken genty at four,
other things would have happened, you know, the butterfly effect.
Ursery may not have been available, like you don't know,
like if they had taken they would.

Speaker 3 (01:48:07):
Have been more likely to be available because it would
be an extra tackle.

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
And I don't know, I don't know, like things happen like.

Speaker 4 (01:48:13):
So it adds a tackle to the available I understand
it's kind of illogical that a tackle was available even
when Will Campbell did get taken.

Speaker 3 (01:48:22):
Wouldn't be available if he hadn't.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
Yeah, but butterfly effect thing like things.

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
I think.

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
The second part of that I think is going to
be worth keeping track of. It's going to be this
year's version of Tayekwon Thornton instead of George Pickens and
Ale Pierce in Scott. You know you're going to have all, yeah,
paulkan McConkey, all my references that's, you know, instead of
the one that's right in front of me from last year.

(01:48:47):
The second part of that, when he's talking about Dylan Samson,
you know how much difference is that, you know, could
could you have done better? Why would you rather have
the better wide receiver in the lesser running back, or
the better running back and the lesser wide receiver. Like
that's basically what you're coming down to.

Speaker 15 (01:49:03):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:49:04):
Ideally you hit on both, and Kyle Williams is going
to be a better wide receiver than Luther Burden, who
has character issues, and that's the reason why he would
have been available to you at thirty eight or whatever
it was that we picked thirty six thirty thirty eight,
So you had an opportunity to pick him. If he's
better than Kyle Williams, that's a that's a legitimate second guess.

Speaker 6 (01:49:23):
Well, I mean, yeah, yes and no, because I don't
think they were ever going to take Luther Burdens.

Speaker 3 (01:49:30):
But that doesn't mean they're right, like you put it,
but they got on you do not draft list. That
doesn't mean that you were right to do that. If
the guy has a ten year career, never has any problem.

Speaker 6 (01:49:38):
Sure, sure, I just I look at the process and like,
like Urser, I think is the same, is similar, but
not quite as egregious as Luther Burden. Maybe, But I
think there were a real uh you know, kind of
hearing some of the stories of about Ersery It kind
of reminded me of Trent Brown, right like.

Speaker 4 (01:49:56):
Just like so effort and I would also say, and
I'm gonna lazy out of the street. Yeah, I didn't
really hear a lot of people telling me that Ersery
was on a level with Will Campbell, right Like, I'd
heard a lot of people telling me that Luther Burton
is arguably the best wide receiver in the class. So
I think, even at full strength, high motor, Ursery, I

(01:50:17):
don't think is as good as Will Campbell. You add
in all the stuff that Evan just talked about, that
makes it a no brainer.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:50:24):
In other words, if I'm sitting here telling you that
Ersery should they should have waited for Ursery, like, that's
twenty twenty hindsight. That's not what anybody. Anybody thought. Now,
there's a lot of people that thought Kyle Wims good
wide receiver. There are others that are better. So if
they end up being right, then you might have missed. Now,
this is the flip side of that is trevi On

(01:50:45):
Henderson as the as the caller said, is he that
much better than the guys that go after him? Because
there was a run on running backs shortly after the
Patriots took him. I think Henderson's really really good player,
but that doesn't mean we're right. And what if some
of these guys that that they could have had in
the third round or the fourth round or better.

Speaker 6 (01:51:03):
Yeah, I just wish that there was an there never
will be. So this is just a me thing.

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
But it's just one of those.

Speaker 6 (01:51:09):
But like, but like the context has always missed when
we when we go through these in hindsight of like
the Patriots were never going to draft George Pickens, Like
I don't George Pickens was a much better prospect than
the guys that were going around him.

Speaker 2 (01:51:22):
He went where he.

Speaker 6 (01:51:23):
Went because of the of his character, I agree, and
because of the red flags, so he he was not
on their board, like they were never going to draft him.
I feel that. I don't know for a fact, But
I feel the same way about Luther Burden. Like I
don't think that they passed on Luther Burden because they
thought Treyvon Henderson was a better player. I think they
passed on Luther Burden because he wasn't a programmed guy
and it wasn't get through.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
You're evaluating the draft five years from now, right, You're like, well,
were they wrong and having Luther Burden on their.

Speaker 4 (01:51:49):
Board, And that's my point, like they've taken guys that
other teams have had off their boys right right, that
haven't worked out. And I don't think I need to
say names specifically. I think you guys can fit figure
it out here.

Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
Sure, So one that's part of the everybody, Yeah there's
a couple, but I don't say that name.

Speaker 4 (01:52:08):
There's like that's part of the dram with Fred. I
think that's part of your draft evaluation, right, did you
get the character right too?

Speaker 8 (01:52:15):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:52:15):
I mean you got the talent right, But will you
right to say I'm not going to take him at
thirty eight?

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
He's off my board, right.

Speaker 6 (01:52:22):
I just am preparing Luther Burden unless he goes. Luther
Burden's gonna have a good NFL career, Like he's going
to be a good player. He is a good player,
and they're going to be just like George Pickens, there's
going to be bumps along the road where it flares up,
so I would know and will put that into context,
like it's just going to be they missed on George
Pickens again, and in this time it was Luther Burden.

Speaker 4 (01:52:43):
You're right, that is what But I will not do that,
and I will actually give deuces flowers who was really
on the George Pickens bandwagon when it when it happened
about this guy's this guy's tough. You read a lot
about this guy. I don't know if that's that's the
guy you want to bring in. I would say, based
on what's happened so far, if the Patriots in fact

(01:53:05):
did not have Pickens on their board, I would say
they were right because these are the kinds of things
that they were worried about, and they have happened. Even
though he's productive, No one doubted his talent. He's been productive,
but he's a handful. And I agree with Evan there's
context to this. If Luther Burden is like Pickens, I
would say, no, like he's been Okay, he's produced, but

(01:53:29):
he's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
And you know you mentioned the word context. Even five
years from now, you have to remember what the context
is back then and right now we're building a culture.
Maybe they didn't think they could absorb somebody like a
Luther Burden. Where five years from now, assuming everything goes
right and they've got that culture, then okay, now we
can bring in a player like that, so it context

(01:53:53):
has everything to do with it.

Speaker 4 (01:53:54):
I agree with your point, though there's nuance to all
and it's too often it's black and white.

Speaker 3 (01:53:59):
That guy's a good player, like last year.

Speaker 6 (01:54:02):
You know, I personally feel like medical is a little
bit different. But Lad McConkie did have injuries in college
that people were worried about. We're gonna carry over to
the pros. There's no doubt about it that Lad McConkie
looks like a much better football player than Jalen Polk.

Speaker 3 (01:54:18):
But well, let's see in like after four years, maybe
the medical concerns end up.

Speaker 6 (01:54:24):
But in that one, I steer more towards like they
missed the evaluation me too, But like when it didn't
when it comes to character stuff. But like this is
just all the little things that you know, they have
to take into consideration that when I'm doing a mock draft,
if Lad McConkie pulls a hamstring like it doesn't you
know what difference does it make?

Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
But I just evaluate the guy.

Speaker 6 (01:54:42):
Right, I just watched the tape, right, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
Right, Tony's in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 26 (01:54:46):
Hey, Tony, Hey was going on guys, I got two
questions and just some stats to read off to you guys.
Do you guys agree that this will be a make
or break year or training camp if he makes it
out of training camp for the Mario Douglas And also,
despite Drake having a terrible line, the Mario Douglas was

(01:55:11):
still on the field. He ranked eighty first and touchdowns
with three sixty first and yards with six hundred and
couples and also thirty ninth and receptions with sixty six.
And these guys agree that Kendrick most likely is out
of the lineup.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
I I kind of agree with Bourn what makes makes
sense with with pop, I would say that last year
it was hard to evaluate because the room wasn't that
good and he seemed yeah, he seemed like one of
the best of that room. But now you know, now
you have Digs in here and Kyle Williams, Now it

(01:55:54):
might be a better comparison and tougher form. But so like,
if he is the fourth receiver on this team, that'll
be fine.

Speaker 6 (01:56:04):
Yeah, he was a sixth round pick. I don't know
what you were expecting him to be any better than that.
Like the numbers are that of like a third or
fourth receiver, which is all he really could have expected
him to be. So I think right now he's way
over performed his draft slot. Like he was drafted in
the sixth round, but he's an NFL player.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
We're comparing him like the room last year wasn't that good.

Speaker 4 (01:56:24):
But I think he I'm I'm not the biggest Jamario
Douglas guy. You guys know that, you know, But I'm
not talking about the person. I'm talking about the player.
He's what Evan just said, He's a fourth receiver, third
or fourth guy at best.

Speaker 6 (01:56:38):
He's a slot guy on But he's a sixth round.

Speaker 3 (01:56:40):
Pick who played two years. Why are we ranking him
among the entire NFL?

Speaker 4 (01:56:48):
How many sixth round picks from his draft class were
better than that? Like, let's compare him to what he
should be.

Speaker 2 (01:56:54):
Yeah, Like, well it's it's it doesn't matter what you know,
what you do when you get here.

Speaker 4 (01:56:59):
Yeah, And I think he's done well. He's in the NFL,
But I don't think there's a lot of guys that
are in the NFL that get drafted.

Speaker 2 (01:57:05):
Where he is. No, But my point is, at some
point you got to forget about where he got drafted.

Speaker 21 (01:57:09):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:57:09):
Fred I'm not talking about he's a star. He's not
a star.

Speaker 4 (01:57:14):
I'm saying he's a complimentary piece. That's what you hoped
that he'd be. That's exactly what he's He hasn't like outperformed, underperformed,
like you hope that you have some depth pieces when
you pick in day three.

Speaker 3 (01:57:28):
That's what he is.

Speaker 2 (01:57:29):
Well, that's why I said, if he ends up being
the fourth receiver of the team, that's great for that's
what that's really good.

Speaker 4 (01:57:35):
I just feel like if you're expecting him to be
more than that, I don't know what you thought you
were getting.

Speaker 6 (01:57:40):
Yes, make or break, I like, I don't. I'd like
I think that he is who he is, Like he's
a complimentary piece, like he's a he's a slide, like
a third receiver.

Speaker 4 (01:57:50):
For respecting him to catch one hundred and twenty balls,
well I mean I know, But I mean I just
would hope that having better receivers around him will just
make life a little bit easier for him, maybe take
some of the heat off of him to have to
be the constant guy getting open.

Speaker 8 (01:58:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:58:03):
But he's not gonna rise up the rank like the
caller was ranking him. That's numbers aren't gonna increase because
he has better receivers around him. I think he might
be more effective in the role that he is if
it's a fourth receiver, but these other receivers are gonna
have better or not.

Speaker 6 (01:58:18):
I mean, just looking at it, like his receiving yards
and receptions against his draft class, like they're guys that
are that were drafted. I mean, besides Puko's just turns
out to be a freak. But like all these other
guys that are in the same territory of him were
top one hundred picks and he was drafted at two
hundred and ten and they got a player. You know,
Quinton Johnson was drafted twenty first overall, and Pop has
better production than Quinton Johnson does.

Speaker 2 (01:58:42):
He did, but again, would you have that production if
the room was better?

Speaker 6 (01:58:45):
So you think he's like a good stats, bad team
kind of guy.

Speaker 2 (01:58:49):
It was default don't.

Speaker 4 (01:58:50):
But I don't even I just don't know what you're expecting.
Do you watch him play? Forget about the production, the
numbers whatever. People think that this is the next Edelman
and Welker, That's not what he is. Like, watch him play.
He doesn't have that kind of ability like, I think
he's been perfectly fine, but I think that people are
expecting him to be the next in line. Yeah, this

(01:59:12):
like unbelievably productive.

Speaker 6 (01:59:14):
He's a really good man coverage, you know separator. His
feel for his own coverage needs work, and like if
he can develop.

Speaker 3 (01:59:21):
His catch radius is so tiny.

Speaker 6 (01:59:23):
Yeah, if he can develop, like you know, knowing when
to settle down and know, you know, finding those like
that's what Edelman and Welcome we're so good at. We're
like finding those little soft spots. If he can take
that next step, then maybe there is more production for him.
But right now, he's really just like you know, if
they play man to man, then he's a guy that
can get open against man coverage. That that's what he
does best.

Speaker 2 (01:59:43):
All right, Well, listen, that's going to be it for
this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. Remember go to that YouTube
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Speaker 6 (01:59:58):
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Speaker 2 (02:00:01):
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Speaker 6 (02:00:01):
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Speaker 2 (02:00:06):
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Speaker 6 (02:00:09):
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Speaker 2 (02:00:11):
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