Patriots Unfiltered 6/10: Minicamp Day 2 Wrap-Up Show, Anfernee Jennings In-Studio, Training Camp Dates

Tune-in as the PU crew recaps the final practice of the spring offseason program. They share observations on top performers, atmosphere, and more! Anfernee Jennings stops by after practice to share how he feels after spring practices, his mindset ahead of the break, and how he prepares for training camp. Plus, the guys react to the freshly announced official 2025 training camp dates!

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Speaker 5 (00:22):
Are all right, we are live again practice wrap up.
It's Paul, it's me, It's gonna be Deuce and Evan.
We might be joined by a special guest. We'll see.
But it is day two of the mini camp and
it's gonna be the final day of practice, so we're
gonna be here for the next hour or so wrapping

(00:44):
up everything that we saw. I didn't I was busy,
but Paul was there and Evan and Duce, so they'll
have everything to say.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Now they move practice indoors.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Doors, so it was a little bit tougher to sort
of decipher everything that's going on. I thought ev was
in a better spot than Mike and I were, but
I would say, and again, I wasn't there yesterday. You guys,
I'm sure had your rocket shots about that. From what
I read and determined from yesterday, it was a pretty
positive practice for the offense. Drake May in particular, I

(01:16):
would say this wasn't quite as good as that. I
thought the defense made more plays today than it sounded
like they made yesterday. All that said, it was telling
Fred as we were getting ready to start, I just
find watching Drake May this like more of a comfort
level that I didn't really see a lot at this
time last year, which makes sense. Last year he was

(01:37):
sort of deferring to Jacoby Brissette. This year he's the man.
I just I feel like they're in and out of
the huddle, quicker crisper. There's not a lot of you know, no,
you're supposed to be over here, You're supposed to go
over there. Okay, now you go in motion. The players
are getting run with an efficient pace. Again, I thought

(01:58):
the defense sort of controlled things a little bit today.
But to me, the bigger picture item here is the
offense looks to be a little bit more cohesive.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Than it certainly did at this time last year.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, maybe you could make fun of that and say
that's a low bar, you know, be that as it may.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
I think they're they're getting there, getting up to speed.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
H So we'll we'll break all that down with Evan
and Deuce as well, after practice it was player availability
and Stefan Diggs had his first player availability, uh you know,
in that type of setting, and so we'll break down
everything that he had to say when the guys get
back as well.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, and so they had a good mix of some
veterans and Rooked I know, I think Hunter Henry spoke
for a little bit. Diggs was scheduled to speak, and
then they had some rookies. I think Mike was talking
to Trevion Henderson as I left to get over and
help you out, Freddy. So some of you know, I'm
not sure if Will Campbell's going to talk to you, Okay,

(02:54):
So yeah, be curious to see what the guys say,
you know, went on with some of that media availability.

Speaker 5 (03:00):
Oh and guess who's walking into the room. It's Jenny
all right, good to see you.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Have a seed.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Have a seed? All right?

Speaker 5 (03:12):
Well to what do we owe this? You know, you
just decided to come in. Nobody asked you.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Yeah, no, no request, mate.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
You saw the on air outside, said I'm coming in.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
What's going on in there? It looks fun?

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, Well thanks for coming.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
So Paul you probably know, Paul, I'm Fred appreciate you coming.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
By How was practice today?

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (03:33):
No, gun after you know, the last day this spring,
you know, uh, next time we come out, we're gonna
be in training camp and you know, get ready for
the season.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah. So like, how does that feel to you?

Speaker 5 (03:44):
Because I know tomorrow you're probably still gonna be here,
but you're not going to be out in the field.
And then you're off right until training camp until you
have to report the training camp.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Like, how do you know, keep that focus during that
time off and get ready for camp?

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Happened? You know?

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Coach Rable was saying today and his.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
Press conference, like, you know, ten days before camp starts,
you start to get a little cranky because you start thinking,
all right, I gotta I gotta get my mind right,
Like you've been through this before this break?

Speaker 2 (04:12):
How do you deal with it? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (04:14):
I mean for me at this point going into your
six you know, you kind of use O t A's
mini camp to you know, just see where you're at,
how you feel, you know, if you put on weight
or mostly like you know, where do you think you
need to be there by the season. You know you're
trying to you're trying to fine tune those things over
the break, you know, so you can come back training
camp full speed.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
And so where are you? How do you feel about you?

Speaker 6 (04:37):
I feel great, you know, uh, you know, a bit
different you know system over the defense that we have,
uh then we that we have had since I've been
here in the past.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
But uh, you know, I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 6 (04:50):
You know, we had a lot of chemistry this this
off season, you know, with the coaches and the playoffs.
You know, just looking forward to it.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Man, you're talking about the differences defensively and the system.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Can you sort of explain something?

Speaker 3 (05:01):
It is as simple as you guys are a little
bit more aggressive in getting upfield.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, I get in the back.

Speaker 7 (05:07):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
You know, it's just you know, we got new coaching
stuff obviously.

Speaker 6 (05:11):
Uh you know, you know they believe in you know
what they believe in, and you know it's different than
the past coaching stuff that we have. But you know
that the you know, the main thing, the main thing,
you know, playing together and playing fast and you know
that's that's all that we really want to do.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
So with the new DC Tourell Williams, he hasn't been
here because he had his health scare that he talked about,
but has he been in touch with guys, like, you know,
is there any communication between him and the players or
the position coaches.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, definitely. You know, he's still eat locked in every day.

Speaker 6 (05:43):
Uh you know, he kind of reviews the film, give
us feedback and you know, just like.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
He would if he would if he was here.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
Yeah, you know, so, Yeah, I'm eager to get him
out here because I hear he is a really good
position coach too. Like, I'm sure he's going to be
doing more than just d C. He's going to be
in the trenches.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
With you guys. Yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 6 (06:02):
I mean that's that's how all the coaching staff, you know,
they they kind of made it a point of emphasis,
you know, coming in here that that they want to
be you know, not not just you know, telling us
what to do, but they want to you know, walk
with us.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
You know, so I think that's used and you know,
that's that's been good to screen.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
So we talk a lot about when the system changes
on the offense and how difficult that get gets a
lot of attention. You know, Drake may having to learn
another offensive system with Josh mcdenniel's coming in.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
I'm curious to.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
What it's like for a defensive player you've been you mentioned,
you know, different from the local coaches. I know you've
done some two gapping and you know it's a different
mentality up front. And you even had that in college
with with Nick. So how much of a transition is
it for you?

Speaker 5 (06:43):
Man?

Speaker 1 (06:43):
At the end of the day, I feel like I'm
a ball player, you know.

Speaker 6 (06:45):
So you know I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna adjust
and I'm gonna, you know, learn the schemes.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (06:51):
You know, I'm gonna just pick it up. You know,
some days better than others. You know, it's all a
learning process. But you know, at the end of the day,
you know that's that's what that is. That's it's something new.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
We all learning it together, and you know, we moving
forward every day.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
Coach Rabel came in just from day one. He says,
you know, we're building a culture here.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Do you sense that? Do you sense that?

Speaker 5 (07:12):
You know he's putting his thumbprint on this team and
you're starting to build a culture together with your teammates.

Speaker 6 (07:17):
Yeah, one thousand percent. You know, it's it's day, day
by day. Uh, you know, And like I said, man,
we had a good spring. We've grown a lot as
a team. Uh, you know, learning a lot about each
other personally.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (07:31):
You know, it's just looking forward to it, man, looking
for training camp and you know, preseason into the season, man,
and you know, see what things are.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
So Fred and I have works here for a long time,
both of us for over twenty years. But we we
kind of agree that we've we've sent a different sort
of energy in the building since Mike came in. And
I'm just wondering if the players feel like that too.
I Mean, it's not anything that Gerard Mayo didn't bring,
because we sent some you know, newness and excitement last
year as well. But we just feel like there's a

(08:00):
different energy in the building.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
And do the players feel that? Uh? I mean, like
I said, man, we we we've we've.

Speaker 6 (08:07):
Had to you know, learn a new scheme, new system, uh,
learn new players.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (08:12):
And you know, just you know, we've grown over the spreen.
Like I said, Uh, you know, we're all excited. Man,
we're looking forward to it. We know that the standing
around here and you know that's what we're looking forward
to get back to.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Uh. So we're excited about that.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
I mean, everyone's held about the defense. You've got some
some really good players I think on the team and
maybe no better than the two corners that you guys have.
So as the front seven guy, when you think about, hey,
we got Gunzo on one side, we are Carlton on
the other side. They're gonna lock down, how does that
make you feel?

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Like?

Speaker 5 (08:46):
Does that get you excited about the freedom that it's
gonna you know, the complimentary football, but it's gonna give
the front seven.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Uh.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
You know, just like you said, playing compromentary football, sometimes
the rush have to help out the coverage and sometimes
the cover have to help out, you know, the rush man.
You know, having guys like that back then, man, and
you know seeing them compete at a high level. I
mean you look at our dB room like all of
those guys you know, competitive and you know can play
and could be no more guys anyway, Like, so you know,

(09:15):
looking forward to that man, and you know, just having fun, man,
playing together, playing fast and having fun.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
That's what we're trying to get back to it.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
I know you're a much different kind of player, and
you know your game is about power in the front
seven guys, but you ever watch a guy like Gonzo
and just say, man, yeah, guys, it's not fair that
he's that. I mean that interception you had down the sideline,
it was just.

Speaker 6 (09:34):
Like yeah, I mean like I was looking at that too,
and I'm like, man, you know, but you know, that's
the type of stuff he's been doing off spring. You know,
Cards and you know, funny funny about cardson Me and
him played in the All Star Game in high school,
coming out of high school together, you know, in a
simplified deals in California game and you know, him going

(09:55):
on to go go and play for Auburn US being
robb Ree, you know what I'm saying. So I kind
of had a relationship with him, and then you know
him now being here, you know, looking forward to it. Man,
you know, I know how what type of competitor is.
I know what type of competitive guns are with.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Oh oh god man, the guys ready to go.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
That's awesome. So I know you've got other things to do.

Speaker 5 (10:15):
But before you go, breaks coming anything, playing any trips,
anything's fun that you're gonna do just to kind of
get away from football for a little bit.

Speaker 6 (10:23):
Yeah, I mean I'm hanging around with family, spend a
lot of time with him, or they just moved a temple, so, uh,
you know, just hanging out Tampa. Yeah, and uh, you
know training and during that time with the film and
you know, getting ready to lock you in here and
you know, just go do what we gotta do.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Okay, times goes by fast, you'll be back here.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah. So relative all right, Anfrety, thank you so much
for coming by.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Appreciate thanks for stopping.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
All right, all right, Anthrethy Jennings on Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
That was nice.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, absolutely, I find it interesting just you know, sort
of the changes defensively and we we keep talking about
our man abstracts. You know, it's like, well it's going
to be more of an aggressive, penetrating defense. But it
kind of struck me in the middle of talking to
him that it's really not any different than what we
talk about with Drake May. Right, you know, you're asking
Drake May to learn different things. Well, he's you know,

(11:17):
Jennings has done things a certain way for five years
and really for him, going back to his college career
was with Nick Saban a very similar kind of mindset.
Now you're asked to do it in a whole different way,
and it's going to take some time, I think, to adjustin.
You know, we'll see how it all unfolds with these guys.
I think there's a lot of new you guys. You
also mentioned all the newness on defense, so there's a

(11:37):
lot of moving the.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Lazar joining us. Now, wow, what Evan has turned.

Speaker 8 (11:47):
Has turned practice?

Speaker 2 (11:52):
All right?

Speaker 7 (11:53):
Evan, what did you see a little bit of a
bounce back day from the defense today? That we had
Jalen Hawkins in here yesterday and he tipped the cap
to the offense on Monday and said they were doing
their thing today. But I felt like today a little
bit of a bounce back. You guys are talking to
Anthony about the Christian Gonzalez his interception and the red zone.
They tightened it up a little bit, I thought today

(12:15):
compared to yesterday. So that's good. You want that back
and forth. You don't want one side of the ball
to dominate play, you know, for multiple practice brow. So
a little bit of a nice bounce back today for
the defense.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
I was out there for a little bit in the
beginning of clustrophobic being inside. It's just too many people
for you know, especially this time of year. When it's
ninety guys, just just too much for just that field house.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah, I would agree.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
And you know, I'm sure that Mike had his reasons
for switching.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
You.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
I don't understand him, no, but I'm sure he has
his reasons.

Speaker 5 (12:47):
And no, I know, but like if it was a
downpour and it really impeded you from teaching and learning,
I could get. But it was just a miss, you know,
unless they were just a no no, unless they were
not happy, unless the forecast really did call for downpours,
and that's why they just didn't want to have to
switch mid stream.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
But on the on the positive side, Friday, there was
a food truck available. Yeah, outside of practice, which the
media was allowed to partake in.

Speaker 7 (13:12):
Nice eventually, Yeah, because they enjoyed it.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
Marketing had a bunch of rookie season ticket members out there.
Is that the gaslines were full of people watching practice, and.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
So one of them could have been might do so,
that's true, that's right, rookie season.

Speaker 7 (13:27):
That was one of the more bizarre practices I've ever
been to. Because of that, they had the rookie season
ticket holders apparently with the marketing guests and then all
the media all trying to stand on the sideline but
not beyond the sideline because you want to be too
close to the field. And it was a little bit.
It was tough. It was there's a lot of people
inside that place today and even the organization, I think

(13:49):
they had to the team had to go off script
a little bit to fit everything in because of the space.
So that made it a little bit different.

Speaker 5 (13:58):
Yep, we should probably talk about Stefan Diggs. Were you
at his scrum for a little bit, Yeah, And what
was that all about? And you know, tell me what
he had to say.

Speaker 7 (14:10):
Yeah, nothing, nothing to headline graby from Stefan Diggs, But
I think the overall message was, you know that he
feels good and that he feels like he's progressing the
way that he would want to be. And he, you know,
was asked a little bit about Drake May and Mike
Rabel and playing for him, and you know, he said that,
you know, Rabel, there's definitely some carryover from being a

(14:33):
player that he can feel that. But you know, there's
also an authoritarian aspect of being the head coach as
well that comes into play too. But I think with
Drake May, you know, he was honest, and he just said,
you know, he looks great, but I'm not out there
with him yet, so I don't really know, you know,
quite yet about playing with him, because I haven't been

(14:54):
able to play with him yet. But I think overall,
the optimistic tone about his health and his knee in
the conditioning that he's in and all that good stuff,
it seems like it's moving in the right You.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
Say, nothing really headliney was was he at liberty to
even guess at his own timetable or no?

Speaker 7 (15:12):
I mean, I'm sure he if he wanted to, he could,
but I didn't hear him talking about timelines or anything
like that right.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Now, I think, And no one asked him.

Speaker 7 (15:22):
I wasn't there for the entire thing, so I had
full disclosure. I don't know if Dus and I were
off with the rookies for a little bit of it.
It was a pretty big media scrum around Diggs. As
you can imagine. He wasn't at a podium, so it
was not exactly an easy seat to get in front
there and everything. So but yeah, and the a couple

(15:43):
of minutes I listened to him was pretty normal.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
It's very charming.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
I found him he just he knows he's one of
those guys who can turn it on whenever he wants
and be fun and affable.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
And I think he was. I caught a brief bit too.
I ended up kind of having a one on one
with Travon.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Henderson because none of that one phoning it out to
the social media team.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
I said, look, my boys all grows up being a journalists.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Oh you know.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
I mean it's a capital Jake journalist thing going on
over there. Pr came walking over with him and everyone's
it digs and it's like, you know, the poor kid.
So he's a really nice kid, trad and Henderson really enjoyed.
I hadn't talked to him yet, you know, just small stuff.
Ask somebout was past blocking and you know what it's
been like in the room. But he's been an impressive
player through these OTA practices. Every time he touches the ball.
I felt like today you were closer, you get a

(16:25):
little bit better sense of his speed, and man he
is he's just like I said, yesterd he floats. That
stood out to me as well. And that was the
one thing you and I agree with you, Fred about
the claustrophobic nature. Of being indoors with all those people.
But the one thing that you do sort of get
a look at standing so close on the side at
field level is just how big they are and how
fast they are.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
You know't want to get in their way.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
He was one of the guys like he caught a
little swing in front of Mike and I a little
swing pass, turned it up field and you know, put
it in full throttle for a second. Was like, yeah,
you know, like you can just you get a real
sense of just how athletic they are.

Speaker 5 (16:59):
I mean, and remember back in the old Foxboro Stadium
at the end of games, you know, we would have
to be standing up literally on the sideline for the
last five minutes of the game. And like Paul said,
when you're down there, I feel level that close you
realize the collisions that they have, like these are these
are car wrecks, big dude, these are these are high

(17:21):
speed collisions. And it's it's no wonder that the injuries
happened and that these careers the average career is like
three years. Yeah, you know, because the size of these guys,
the speed of these guys combined with the collision, it's
it's incredible to see up close.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yeah, yeah, no question the size of the guys, and
that was a little different being inside today. But I
don't know if you got I'm sure you guys already
wax poetic about what you saw.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
It just felt like, well they did.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
I just I thought the defense, you know, bounced back,
and not that I hate saying bounce back, but just
defense had a little more success today and there's just
a lot of good energy. I think that was my
biggest takeaway was just I don't know if I remember
it feeling this like guys really into it and you know,
yelling for deflected passes, and you know, you could feel
the competitiveness off the field, especially on defense. Another thing

(18:08):
I noticed with them was just we talked a little
bit about the offense looking a little smoother in the
operation yesterday and I think a little bit today as well.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
But defensive communication, I think.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Last year noticing some of the we're still trying to
get calls when the snap goes, and it seems like
these guys this year very much got their communication down.
They're getting everybody's on the same page, you see, you know,
you get that feeling where everybody talks, they do the
thing and then boom, they're all locked in right before
the snap. Thought that was a positive sign for Evan.
One of the things I said to Fred that I,
you know, I basically I wasn't there, so I didn't

(18:39):
see it yesterday. But based on what I read and
then what I saw again today, I just feel like
even when the plays aren't successful, there's a crispness, like
they're not in the huddle for a long time. There's
not a lot of reorganization at the line. You know,
guys go in motion when they're supposed to. And I
don't know if you guys have noticed the same thing.

(19:01):
I don't want to say that, well, look at how
much better it is now, because I don't know, we
haven't seen the results yet. But operational last year it
was false start, false start, someone not lined up in
the proper slot, he's on the wrong side, or it
didn't go in motion was when he was supposed to.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
I don't see a lot of that.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
No, no, yeah, And I think that's been a purpose
efficiency to the way the plays get run.

Speaker 5 (19:23):
I think I think that's Rabel and I think it's
the it's McDaniels just prepping these guys off the field
so that when they get on the field they're ready
to go.

Speaker 7 (19:33):
Yeah, you can see the build up in the way
that the practices are scripted. So I'm sure they go
in the classroom and they teach these plays on the
board and you know, on video, and then they go
onto the field and they do it and walk through form,
and then they go from walk through to like a
jog through where it's against a defense, but it's not
an actual live period, and then they go to the

(19:55):
live period where they're running all the same plays, right,
but they're sort of progressively building them hustle memory of
what is this place supposed to look like? So I
think you once you get to the live eleven on
eleven's like they've already repped that play sequence like two
or three times in the day already, so by the
time you get to that point, you really should know

(20:16):
what you're doing and have everybody lined up. There was
one rehuddle today, which was the first time that I
even really took note of that. Pretty much all spring
that I don't recall that they had one. It looked
like that may be a little bit of a slow
defensive substitution on their personnel package like are we you know,
what package are we putting on the field type thing?

(20:36):
But overall, I I agree, just such a smoother operation.
I just think in general too, there's so much further
along offensively with the install now compared to the last
couple of years. And all this is mental stuff, like
none of this is actually, to Paul's point, like the physical.
Can they go out there and make the plays. But
you can see how they're adding on a little bit

(20:58):
and adding on a little bit, you know, to there
was some more stuff in the red zone that they
didn't do yesterday that they added on today, and.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Some no huddle stuff early in practice even and they said,
you know, Rabel said before practice that it was actually
no huddle and uh silent count.

Speaker 7 (21:12):
They were doing silent count stuff in June, you.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
Know, Was that why they were blasting the music?

Speaker 3 (21:17):
But even louder like as soon as they get to
the line, they were like increasing the.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
Old guys that were standing right in front of the speaker.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Was it was struggling And I will say the very
few nitpicky things that I would say, that's what it resulted.
It looked like there were times where there may have
been a false starter to or not a penalty fall start.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
But not getting off on the snap. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you know a couple of those. I thought the defense
got that.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Doug Landry and Keon White a couple of times got
the edge on tackles because it looked like the tackles
weren't off at the snap. Yeah, you know, and that's
part of the communication stuff. But nitpicky, nitpicky things.

Speaker 7 (21:56):
Yeah right, maybe they jumped off side too, you know,
I never.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Know absolutely, And I thought there were a couple of
possible fall starts on offense that they just ran the place.

Speaker 7 (22:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
It wasn't like a guy jumping a full snap count ahead.
It was you know, the what's the jump? It was
what's what's the guy, uh the Kansas City guy to want?
Is it ty Taiwan Taylor? What's the guy that always
wants to Juwan Juwan? Not Taiwan Jawan Taylor. I thought
there were a couple of those today on the Patriots
that didn't get called.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
Yeah, I noticed yesterday. I don't know if you got
speaking of you know, the snap and getting jumps. Moses,
is he a guy that he's a snap type of
timer and gets off a little bit early right on
the edge of you know.

Speaker 7 (22:40):
Yeah, I haven't necessarily seen that in his tape in
the past. I mean it's not I haven't looked for
it either, so you know, you know, I don't know,
but uh, there could be some of that, you know
with him. He's getting older and might feel a little
bit slower out of the stand. So anything that you
can do to kind of steal half a foot or
whatever at this point of his career might be worth it.
But I I one of the things that you know,

(23:02):
just from a after practice standpoint, that Moses was has
been holding court all spring after practice, and that group
has grown considerably as the spring has increasing, and now
it's like the whole offensive line is like staying late
to like work on stuff. I saw Mike on went

(23:23):
who was like going through some stuff with some people too,
some guard you know, into your line stuff, and Moses
is standing there, but don is the shirt off, like
standing like you know, going through things with guys, and
he is constantly Moses is constantly giving pointers. I love
constantly coaching. Just it's pretty it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
That that tells me a couple of things.

Speaker 5 (23:46):
One he knows what he's talking about and people are
realizing that and they're they're listening. Is like I said,
his flock is growing. Also, he's confident in himself and
his role on the team. Like a lot of guys
they come in on it's like, I don't have time.
It has been that I got to worry about my
own job. He's not seeing it was seemingly worried about that,
Like he knows my time in this league is limited.

(24:08):
You know, I don't have much left, so might as
well give it.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
Back pour into these young kids, I mean, stiff diticks.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
I heard him say similar things about the receiving room,
like we got a lot of young guys in here,
and I want to help.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Them come along. So it's a great sign.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
I think they needed that, And especially when they cleaned
out a lot of their old leadership, a lot of
their old captains are gone. There's a bit of a
void right now for leadership, and those guys are stepping
up and hopefully it pays dividends.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
So maybe he's an early candidate for captain.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Oh I thought I would say early candidate to be
a guest star on Father Fred. He said, flock and
who is.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Moses Okay, I thought you said Diggs, Yeah, I would.
I would think Logan Moses would have a chance to
be I thought you were talking about the wide receiver
room and then we're talking about you have an older
guy and digs in the wide receiver room because they're
all young.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
That's exactly what Mike just said it but literally just
said that, and then Fred tack back to Moses.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, yeah, I miss you tack back to Moses because
I was reading a Stefan Diggs tweet off of what
Mike was talking about with the wide receivers and just
nothing earth shattering, but he just says he he still
believes he's the number one receiver in this league and
that his goal was to play in Week one. So
I don't know if he got into anything further timetable
wise than that, but you know his goal is to

(25:22):
be ready by week one. You Know what I liked
from Diggs was Tommy Kerr and asked him if he
still wore a chip on his shoulder from being a
fifth round pick, and the cliche answer is like, of course,
like and he was kind of like, I don't know,
that was a long time ago.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
It's kind of funny like, you know.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
He's established himself now, it doesn't seem like he's still
motivated by being that.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
You asked that.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Same question as Tom Brady, and no, right, well that's
what I was expecting, Paul.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
That was of course. Tom Brady's like, I never forgot that,
and I remember the name of everybody that did it.
It says it all the time. A certain point, you're
the goat and you have to forget about us.

Speaker 7 (25:54):
I think Tom Brady's still mad about it, right, pretty clear.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
He's like Giovanni piece money.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
From grade school, like people like, he just hates grades,
right right, Well.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
He's like you. You and Tom have a lot in comment.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
And Richie Campanella, you know, I don't forget.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
I don't forget, all right. So what else from practice?

Speaker 4 (26:18):
You talked about the Gunzales interception?

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, we did in poetry. Actually asked Anthony Jennings about it.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
I was basically like, you know, is it annoying when
you watch a guy that's like that athletic just shoots
his hand out just like he was like just like
someone tossed to you a piece of paper and you're like, oh,
he was like you know, covering Kyle Williams down I
saw some tweets that Evan put out after after the
practice too, and I agreed that there were some we've
been talking about the defensive plays.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
The quick little slant.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Or in cutting route to Pop Douglas in the red
zone was was a highlight, as was the the play
Hunter Henry, and I know you mentioned.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
Both of those.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
So there was some plays too in a great I
mean it was like secondary groups. But I think Dobbs
hit John Giles on a really nice right right at
the pile on the front pylon and in the corner
in the red zone at the end of the game,
that that kind of closed practice on a real high
note for the offense. It was to Mike's point about
the amount of enthusiasm that's going into these plays. The

(27:15):
defense is really celebrating every pass breakup, and the offense,
like all eleven of them were really really into that.
That Actually wasn't Dobbs, it was the other guy was Woodbridgeridge.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
What do I call him? Woolridge not Woodbridge and a
different guy, so different line.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Is that enthusiasm all Vrabel or is it also his coaches?

Speaker 7 (27:35):
Well?

Speaker 3 (27:35):
I thought it was a good sign because I found
myself wondering without Terrell Williams here, does the defense lack
a little bit of their identity of who they're going
to be when you have the actual defensive coordinator who
the team often kind of rallies around. And I thought
it was a good sign that you felt like the defense.
And I don't know for sure, but it seemed like, hey,
the offense had a pretty god day against this yesterday,

(27:57):
let's bring the energy today. So maybe it is Rabel,
but I just see it as a really positive sign
that the defense is.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
If Terrell Williams is like in touch, and he said, yeah,
he's looking at the film every day. Yeah, he's you know,
giving us feedback. So he's, you know, as we expected. Yeah,
he's up on everything.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
I'm sure he's got to be dying to.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
I mean, I can't imagine like I would be like
kind of feel like fomo if I.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
You know, I wasn't here to watch it, which I don't.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
I don't even know I'm important to that, But to
not to be the defensive coordator, to not be able
to be there with your guys and to put your
stamp on this team and it's your first chance.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
I'm sure it'll be great for them when he finally
does get back.

Speaker 7 (28:31):
Yeah, a lot of the energy Bill Belichick would had
that football life thing. I think it was where he
talked about like celebrating your success, like being excited about
making good excited, right. But I feel like when the offense,
you know, the last couple of years in training camp,
the offense has struggled, Yeah, and it's hard to just

(28:52):
manufacture excitement and manufacture energy when you're going out there
and you're not doing well and you feel like you're
swimming upstream and.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Plus have that one good play and then it's ridiculous,
right right.

Speaker 7 (29:03):
And so I feel like maybe this this competitiveness that
we're seeing in the energy is because it's more of
a back and forth. You know, there's a legitimate back
and forth between the two, uh, and and that is
going to bring out competitiveness and guys don't want to lose,
Guys don't want to be on the wrong end of plays,
and you know that sort of thing. So I think
that's good that that's what we've seen in the past,

(29:24):
when you know, the Patriots were at their best where
camps like this, where the camp was energetic, and there
was back and forth and there was competition.

Speaker 5 (29:32):
What did you guys think about being indoors on a
day like today.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
I like the burger aspect of it.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Yeah, otherwise it was it was.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
It was.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
It's hard to.

Speaker 5 (29:40):
See any more clarity as to why. Like I was
telling Paul, like I could see if it was a downpour,
and it's really impeding us teaching them learning, you know,
because this isn't like getting prepared for a game yet,
where you.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Know, it's you don't care about the weather.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
I think there's like trying to get things installed and everything,
but like it was just frizzling.

Speaker 7 (30:01):
But there's little things nowadays with these players that if
you can give them a practice where they don't have
to practice in the rain in the middle of June
when you're really not trying to do much like don't
be a hardo about it, you know, like don't don't
be don't be the other way, because I think that
as a player that can be like really like we
have to go out in the rain and it's June

(30:24):
tenth or whatever it is, Like I don't it's not
like they're preparing to play a game on Sunday and weather.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
No, I get I get that, But at the same time,
I don't think there was anything in today's weather that
kept you from doing what you needed to do, whereas
I can say going indoors did because it's limited.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
It's more, you know, you're packed in, so.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
That's kind I don't know how I felt fred walking in.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
We talked about it before we went over with the
weather hamper what they're doing.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
I totally hear everything Evan said, totally true. But I
felt when I was walking in kind of like, this
is the perfec like light rain, that it'll stress a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Of snaps and you know, just just put enough stress
on the team that it would be an extra challenge
that I think you might like to see how they do,
just to just to ratchet up the intensity that the
difficulty just a tiny bit.

Speaker 7 (31:15):
I just have to pick your battles, Yeah, I mean,
I have to pick your battles. With today's athletes, I
wonder what the players would have wanted.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah, I think there's probably an argument to be made
that the inside the bubble makes it harder, stuffy, and
I'm sure they don't like practicing on the turf if
they don't have to.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah right, yeah right.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
So I mean I could see it. I could see
it both ways.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
I kind of agree with Evan and that it's not
a huge deal to me either way. And I know
that some as I'm looking at my shows, probably will
make a big deal out of it, like oh, they're soft,
Like it's not because they're soft, it's not. There's no deep,
you know, hidden meaning behind it, probably other than what
Evan said, like, yeah, it's June tenth, we really have
to like if it's at all gonna win PS. Now,

(31:58):
as it turned out, I think Fred, you're right. The
weather really wasn't an impediment at all. But maybe this
forecast was for a little bit heavier rain and they
felt like we probably can get more accomplished going inside.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
Maybe it's also kind of nothing.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
Some early injuries too, someone slipping and we don't have
blown down in Achilles.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Sure, I mean, and there were some competitive plays out
there in practice. I mean Coltin Davis it seemed like tackled.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
Well, he didn't, he did not. He did not tackle,
he did not. They went down in a heap.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
There was there was some like like but a distance
it looked like, but they just they're playing hard, they're competing,
guys are going to fall down.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
Sometimes.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
I would worry more about the injuries on that turf
than than anything on grass. But again, I'm sure that
Mike had has reasons.

Speaker 7 (32:47):
I just said, like, it's not even the injuries thing
to me, it's just I don't know, it just picked
your battles, like this is not the time where we
need to be putting guys out there in the pouring ring.
Like if we get into training camp and every single
time there's a there's a you know, cloud in the sky,
they're moving the practice inside, and that's a different story.
But I just don't think that you need to push
it with this sort of thing.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Cut some newsful, Fredy, I read that, you read it, Okay.

Speaker 5 (33:12):
So the Patriots have just announced their training camp dates.
So these are the dates that will be open to
the public. These aren't all the training but these are
the dates that the public will.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Be invited to watch.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
And the whole thing starts on Wednesday, July twenty third,
So get your pen and paper. July twenty third, the
twenty fourth, the twenty fifth, and the twenty sixth, that'll
be open practice. Then it resumes on the twenty eighth,
the twenty ninth, the thirtieth, and the thirty first, those
will be open practices, and then it resumes again on

(33:49):
August fourth, fifth, and sixth, and then the final open
practice will be August.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Tenth, and the one on the sixth, I believe is
the joint just with Washington.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
Yeah, solo. Yeah, So if you're choosing one, you can
only go to one. That would be a good one
to go to August sixth.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Important to note, practices are at ten o'clock on this
so that's a little bit different than years past. I
think at that point they might be nine or nine
thirty somewhere in that range maybe, so a little bit
of a different practice schedule, probably ten to ten o'clock.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
And obviously, you know, weather could change that in going
in the bubble and all that, but you know, ten
o'clock that could be good for this show because we
might be able to get some guys right off the field,
you know, twelve thirty or so sure to come into
the show. So that that's that'll be good for us.

Speaker 7 (34:37):
So remember, first handful of practices are nonpadded, just like
what we're watching in the spring right now, So maybe
you're looking for like the real padded practices. You got
to kind of wait till the second.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
Week of training that Monday, maybe that would be.

Speaker 7 (34:51):
There's some NFLPA math that I practice, but probably Sunday
Sunday ramp up period. It's a whole thing.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
So if you miss the dates, be up on Patriots
dot com. But training camp dates have been an ounce
so that's exciting.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
So Wednesday, July twenty third, right, so that's the opening practice.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, perfect, twelve days.

Speaker 7 (35:13):
Twelve days of open practice will be in Minnesota for
a couple so.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Right, yeah, and then and then it's then it's just
kind of open to the media there at the end
they'll be there's like a handful more h after, but
not to the fans. Yeah, no, I should be good.
Go to that joint practice if you're looking for something
to do. I can't recommend it enough. Joint practice is
a usually usually fun time. You get some ratcheted up
competition levels, get to see some other Washington, You get

(35:38):
a chance to see you know, Jayden Daniels.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
Are you at all curious like in the past when
they had joint practices it was usually two days.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, and this is only one.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
Yeah, last year they.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Just did a lot of teams have been going to one.
They did they we only did one with Philly last year.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Right, it was brutal, it was enough it.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
I was just going to say, like with two is
it because like you know, because they tempers flair.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
I think that's why teams have the decided to go back.

Speaker 7 (36:04):
Yeah, I think that they're it's they're great in terms
of in really all angles like fan experience, our experience.
Obviously they get good work in, but the league does
kind of have to get a hold of the fights
that break out at these practices, Like there's skirmishes at
pretty much every single one of these things, and whether
it's finding people or or docking practices or whatever the

(36:25):
case may be. They we're getting to the point now
where they might need to step in.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
Last year, the year before where Green Bay almost went
into the where the fans were.

Speaker 7 (36:34):
Yeah Carolina, right, oh, yeah, that was here green Bay
two years ago.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
I saw that one day two years ago.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
The second day, it was like seven fights within the
first like eight snaps, Like yeah, that skirmish, skirmish and
this bad And I think that's part of why they
moved in one day.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
But I'll be curious that they're going to stick to
one day with Minnesota too, or if they're gonna maybe
they double.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
I heard that was scheduled for two days, but I'm
not sure.

Speaker 7 (36:58):
Yeah, I would hope. So if they're on all the
way to Minnesota for the week.

Speaker 5 (37:02):
More than one, I mean, Washington could say the same thing,
you know, So.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
I mean, you go for the practice and then the game.

Speaker 7 (37:10):
Yeah, yeah, but then the.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Same as Washington, Like they're coming here for one practice
and then they're gonna have to walk through. No, there
might be, but I'm just saying I don't have to see,
you know, in terms of a mentality.

Speaker 7 (37:22):
I mean, well for them, I'm just selfish.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
I mean, if they if they do two practices, they
do two practices. But you know whatever, it's the same
same thing, all right, all right? What is going on
on the warming It's like an eighteen wheeler, Like the
right outside.

Speaker 5 (37:43):
Of the weekend is warming up outside. They have a
concert tonight.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
And when you find that ironic, Fred that the weekend
is warming up on a Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Tuesday, get started early, you know, can.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
I can I say one more thing? I just say
a lot of things, Mike.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
You know, Paul and I were watching and I think
we mentioned before that we felt like Christian Barmore looks
like he's in pretty good shape. And I just saw
one play kind of stood out to me. For the
passing play, Barmore rushes the passer complete passing the flat
and Barmore peels off and pursues.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
All the way down.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
You know, I just that to me stood out as
a mini camp effort play. I just wrote good shape,
you know, dash energy like it just seems like he
had a lot of energy. And I was reading Mike's
transcript from yesterday and he mentioned that, you know, you
guys have seen Barmore, you know, chasing down plays or.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Something along those lines.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
And I was thinking, to myself, I missed that, and
then sure enough I watched the practice today and that's
exactly what Mike was talking about.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Was the play that just mentioned.

Speaker 7 (38:42):
Got right in on the backfield on beat. Mike on
went who on a pass play too? Got right in there.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
Him and Milton.

Speaker 7 (38:48):
Williams are like the two amigos inside there. They they
are separable and then in a good way, a lot
of those guys are coming after a lot of Yeah yeah,
I mean just the things that you can do, even
as lightning and lightening, like having those guys like you know,
draw double teams and stuff like that is just going
to make like Keon White and Harald Landry and Chase

(39:08):
On and those guys are just gonna have one on
ones for four straight corners.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
White have a good one around the edge.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Seemed like they ratcheted up the pressure a little bit
more with like the linebackers and you know in the
b gaps and the gaps I should say double mug
looks and stuff.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
So you know, they seemed like the defense was thank you.
I guess let's you know, I.

Speaker 7 (39:26):
Defense I had a little bit enough of yesterday. I
think defensively, they were like all right, that's yeah. They
were doing three man rushes in the red zone and
you guys completed some passes, so we'll dial it.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
Look at those.

Speaker 5 (39:41):
So people are watching right now and they see the
triple box with all the camp dates right there, so there.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
You go, beautiful, ye look at this good stuff all.

Speaker 7 (39:53):
At once to to like, you know.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
I used to be like they tell you Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
and then he'd wait.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Well, there's some fine print underneath as subject to change.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Yeah, and you know gates opening.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Gates open at nine to fifteen, practice approximately ten fifteen.
So it's you know, now like those are the twelve
dates they're going to be, you know, scheduled to practice.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
You know, it's a plant plan. Accordingly, get there early.
I'll get you, you know, pumped up with speech. They're
not still going to do that. I'm going to have you.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
I'm sure they.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
He's the hype man. And I'd run out there with
the finger in there him and serge.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
You do some Jaws trivia right by the way he
let me die, I repriment it. I said, no more
appearances than ninety eight point five if you're going.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
To perform like that.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
You know, he let me down today knowing that the
license right now, Louisiana, I know, I said, Jersey, Yeah, Fred,
take my Jaws card. And then it didn't get the
second one either, h Well, which one was that one?

Speaker 4 (40:52):
That was the name of the the doctor.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
And yeah, the doctor that they paid.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
No, No, that would be a past.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
That one was impossible that, like I said to Mike Spielberg,
would have gotten out one, but the Harbormaster.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
I knew that one. Frank Silva. Frank Silva. Now I
just watched it Saturday, okay, because.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
You need it a sense groove text you text you
want on her, AMC. It had just started, I said,
Jaws Alert, AMC. I did do a quick impression of
right as that text came in, sitting in front of
the TV like this. So so the funny part of
that is I I had to go. You know, it's
his grad grad party season, so I had to go

(41:36):
to a graduation party. I watched probably the first maybe
forty five minutes of Jaws, took a shower, got dressed,
went to the party. I come back and Death at
this time is now home from work and Will is
with her and they're watching just three because it just
it just just kept going, and Will was watching Jaws
with me. It just kept watching, and they were up

(41:57):
to the three Diva, which was just so bad. Like
the three and that was just so bad, like especially
in the climax and like lou Gossip Juniors in like
slow motion and it's just so clearly projection.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
Of a start coming out and it just stops that
it's Quade though, good stuff, good stuff. Did not see three.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
I know, I never saw three.

Speaker 7 (42:18):
I've never seen two.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Two was so bad.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
I was like, I'm so two.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
It's not anywhere near as good as the original, but
as far as like cheesy Hollywood see but it looks
like Jaws right, like I still got that smar as
cheesy Hollywood sequels go. It wasn't bad, but we was
just an abomination. Not this again, Brody, come on, like,
you know, don't he believes them?

Speaker 4 (42:39):
It was so bad.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
Three, Stevie writes in I was wondering how different are
the wide receiver drills compared to years past. It doesn't
look like it will translate better than years past.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
They're definitely different. They're definitely different.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
I think every coach has different drills, but how they
translate to the performance on the field.

Speaker 7 (42:59):
Like like about the drills though, and they even the
conditioning at the end. Everything's competitive, like everything's a contest.
It's not just like we're just going through drills, like
you know, they do some of that stuff, but the
wide receivers in particular, like they're racing there, like you know,
who can get through the cones the fastest? And like
there's always some sort of back and forth.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Even the last thing they did today you talk about
that a little bit.

Speaker 7 (43:24):
Yeah, that was cool. They were pushing a sled, you know,
it's like the across different Yeah, it's not even position.
It looked like they were competing, right, like who could
get the sled to the end of the of the
field the fastest, And you know, one guy would push
it as far as he could, and then the next
guy and then the next guy, and they kind of
kept building it up and like there it was gamifying. Yeah,

(43:45):
it was a game. Yea.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Also see that that it's not even a drill.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
They just kind of all line up and then it's
like a scatter sprint where some guys are sprint into
the far corner, other guys are going.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
Right across the sideline. You just see guys running full
speed a lot more for whatever.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
That's worth a lot more than and I haven't seen
and I think it's probably.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Part of the whole process.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
I haven't seen this much in terms of the after
practice conditioning running as we've seen in the past, because
I think they're running full speed constantly during practice. They
get they're getting their conditioning while practicing. The receivers. We've
mentioned this several times. They run full throttle all the
way to the end zone on every rep, you know,

(44:27):
in the pre practice sort of portion when they're running
against the air and whatnot. I don't remember seeing that.
I remember, you know, the receivers taking the ball all
the way to the end zone. You know, they might
go sixty yards all the way to the end zone.
But this is clearly one full tilt to the end
zone and it's every single guy. So if you have
five guys that are running out and only three guys

(44:48):
are throwing passes, all five guys are going all.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
The way to the end zone full speed every rep.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
I mean, that's something Rable might be saying.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
It's like, if I see that you guys are going
all out during practice, we're not doing sprints.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
Exactly what my hockey coaching college used to do.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
We would do in between drills, you do two quick laps,
and so between every drill you'd have a sprint and
by the end you just need to a couple. So
we've had now five because we had three ot as
that we watched in two mini camp practices plus rookie
mini camp. And I would say that I saw sort
of traditional runs after after the practice is over, maybe

(45:22):
twice one that I can think of.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
I'm saying, I'm figuring I might have missed one where
they went to the hill. Yeah, like it, you know,
just usually they just do not even to the hill.
I think they did it in the end zone, like
across the you know, across the field, shorter shorter ones.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Yeah, the one that that Drake laid Yeah, did speak okay,
speaking of false starts, by the way, that one was
he's calling the signals, he's getting a jump Oh no.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
He gets a jump out, still leading right the quarter.
But talk about making something out of nothing.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
He's the leader, he's halfway there, and he's.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Like, he's you know, the pace. I know when I'm
gonna saying, can you give him? You know, give it
to him?

Speaker 8 (46:04):
It was, it was.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
It was funny though, because a lot of people made
I shouldn't a lot of people made a.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Big deal out of it, and I was just like
to ask you a quick questions, how does this make
like him?

Speaker 2 (46:13):
What about?

Speaker 4 (46:15):
How does how does this Martian stuff make you feel
about it?

Speaker 7 (46:18):
I don't want to talk about okay, I think.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
It's great comparison to Brady, like are you happy for him?

Speaker 7 (46:23):
Like I love Brad Marshan, I I have nothing nice
to say about the Bruins.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
See the difference to me is I really don't like
Florida and I had nothing against the Bucks. So look
like Brady's success in Tampa didn't bug me. This is
kind of bugging me. I don't like I don't like
the Anthers, and I don't like the way the oil
is played.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
The other night, is that last time.

Speaker 7 (46:46):
Publicans said four goals he might win the cons mic,
he literally might win.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
The co.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
Pittsburgh had a question about Drake May and whether we're
seeing any signs so far that he will be doing
more instructure running this year since he does not have
the physique of a Josh Allen Jalen Hurts. Do you
think this team will be running tush push or QB
sneak type plays and are there other high percentage, low
yardage plays this team could or will run with Drake May.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
It's a tough question to ask, that is, I wouldn't
say any of the You don't see sneaks in practice.
They don't run quarterbacks sneaks, especially, you know when they're
not in pads, so you wouldn't even work on like
a tush push at mini camp.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
We have no idea. Do you think that I wore?

Speaker 3 (47:36):
I would think that Josh McDaniels likes mobile quarterbacks. He's
never really had a chance to fully embrace one, with
the exception of the COVID year with Cam Newton and
he ran came a lot so Camelot, So I would
I would expect to see some design runs for Drake may,
especially in.

Speaker 7 (47:57):
The low red zone area down by the goal line
where if he's going to keep it, he's probably gonna
hopefully like walk into the end zone and there won't
be much contact there. And if it is, it's out
in space with like a corner or something like that,
and it's not We're not talking about a head on
collision with a linebacker and the hole type of thing
like they did with Cam where he is more of
a battering ram. But I definitely think you're going to
see some of that with sneaks. I don't know. I mean,

(48:20):
like Paul said, we haven't done that at practice yet.
I wouldn't roll out. You know, a lot of teams
use their tight end now like a hunter, Henry, you know,
they'll put the quarterback in the gun and then the
tight end motions under center and then they snap at
the Chiefs do that with Travis Kelcey doing it in
seaid them a home, so and yeah, it's a save
the injuries so or the risk of injury. So yeah.

(48:42):
But the design quarterback rounds I think are going to
be in their back pocket. How much they're going to
use it.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Something we talked about a lot last year.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
I think we can all get on the same page
for in the red zone where you're gonna limit the
amount of hits he's going to take. Like Evan said,
that was something we were talking about last year, Like
that's a spot work, just it's too hard for the defense.
So I would work more about him physically on scrambles
because he never pulls the plug, you know, on a
on a zone read like like Evan just explained, on

(49:08):
a design like you know, you're running, you know, like
you're sort of protecting yourself. It's not an ad lib,
you know, and if it's in the red zone, hopefully
you're ending up in the end zone and you're not getting.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
Hit at all.

Speaker 5 (49:19):
You know, you can sort of justinger what Rabel said about.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Most of the red zone plays that happened, it's one.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
To one till bailout.

Speaker 7 (49:31):
In part of me nodding good, mic, I would say
that's most of the plays. Forget about red zone. Like
the NFL has just turned into that, and you can
blame the guy in Kansas City a little bit if
you want, Like that's that's a lot of the league is.
You know, they have a primary read and then they
have a secondary read off of that, and then it's
just makes something happen. You know, the quarterbacks are so

(49:53):
athletic and they have that improv skill and all that.
You know, you can probably count on one hand the
amount of time you see quarterbacks get through an entire progression. Nowadays,
a lot of times they just don't have time. Yeah yeah,
I mean get a dodge.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
But it's not like these offensive lines are you know,
the Wall and Game of Thrones.

Speaker 7 (50:11):
I can definitely tell that we're gonna have some debates
about this quarterback run thing, because like I'm squarely in
the camp of he needs to run, Like if you
are going to take that out of his game, then
he's not going to be And why would you take
away that threat?

Speaker 4 (50:25):
Why are we going to debate, Well, I just I
know what.

Speaker 7 (50:28):
People get bothered by it because it's the risk of
injury and they don't want to get hurt. And it's like,
I get that, But if you're he that is a
superpower of his right. If you take that superpower away
and you try to make him into just this pocket
stationary pocket passer, like you're not, he's not going to
maximize his skill set. He's not. You're not going to
get the best out of it.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
I would just say that if he gets blindsided in
the pocket as a stationary pocket passer and he gets hurt,
it's not going to make me feel any better than
then I will if he gets hurt running his own
read Right now, I think that the sign of progress
will be the old gains, the first down slides pops
up does the little thing. To me, it's it's the scrambles.

(51:06):
It's not even the zone reads like you know you
you're running and I know that he I think he
had like a forty yard touchdown run last year. You know,
and I understand those plays are possible, but hopefully the
offense progresses to a point where you won't need those
kinds of plays. And you know, if it's third and
eight and you get ten, get down, yep, you know

(51:26):
there's no no need to take those extra hits there. Yeah,
but I would be strongly on Evan's side debating people
that Jalen Jaydon Daniels not run. I mean, and this
is part of what makes them special. The guys that
run effectively in that league are are extra good because
of that element that they're bringing. It's not just their

(51:48):
passing ability. I find it so demoralizing when that happens.
We talk about it all the time over the years
of third and long. You got everybody covered and he
just gets the first down. It does a little celebrat
thing he did best last year backbreaker, just get down.

Speaker 7 (52:02):
Could he get that Patrick Mahomes thing going where Patrick
Mahomes just runs just fast enough to run everybody and
you get out of bound. Yeah, he always Now he
sometimes takes dives out of bound, but often I have
no problem with that either.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
You know, he he's like master unless is cheap.

Speaker 7 (52:19):
He's mastered scrambling without taking hits like Patrick Mahomes truly
has mastered that, and so that that that's an element he's.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
The master of frustrating, Like, you're right about that. Mac
Jones used to annoy me the way he used to
fling his body out of bounds as if he got hit,
but he didn't get hit, right, But that's the only one.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
It was just mock.

Speaker 5 (52:37):
Okay, Tim our friend from Duncan about the training camp days,
he said, should I assume no season ticket holder practice
this year?

Speaker 4 (52:44):
No, I would not assume that. I just don't know
when it will be.

Speaker 5 (52:47):
Yeah, that wasn't in the group of dates that we gave,
but if you are a season ticket member, I'm sure
they'll be in touch with you shortly about that date.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
So he's also Foxborough residents as well.

Speaker 5 (53:00):
Josh from Virginia writ sin, does Drake may give off
little brother energy?

Speaker 2 (53:07):
What does that mean?

Speaker 7 (53:07):
Well, he is a little brother, so a little bit
to his own family. Yeah, I mean I think that
that's what they like about him, is that he's the
youngest of a bunch of athletic brothers.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Is that like a puppy, Like he's a puppy with
that kind of energy? Boundless energy? Or what does he
mean by.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
Tom Brady was a young brother too. He had sisters though,
so I don't know I don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
What it means. I just don't know what little brother energy.
You know what he wants us.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
Let me try and coach.

Speaker 6 (53:33):
I'll get in there.

Speaker 7 (53:34):
I can do it.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Like that's I mean, not that I play I play
Bobby extra scrappy because you've always had a fight for
just playing time or like that part of it.

Speaker 7 (53:43):
But it is not when they draft kind of sweat.
I'm not sure exactly when they drafted him. That was
an angle, like I was saying it was the only
reason they drafted him. But his brothers were highly successful athletes,
especially Luke May, who was like a North Carolina basketball
legend and he was always getting beat up on by
his older brother. And he's going to probably be the
best athlete out of all of them. Is the best,

(54:03):
I mean, is the best?

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Doesn't want them play like basketball in japano Luke.

Speaker 7 (54:08):
Yeah, But he's I mean Drake May in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
So it's a joke.

Speaker 7 (54:14):
He did hit like one of the biggest shots, right
up there with Michael Jordan's game winner.

Speaker 5 (54:19):
You know, uh eight five five past five hundred is
the hotline Christians in LA.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
What's up, Christian? What do you have to say today
to make everyone.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Master good, Christian good good.

Speaker 8 (54:31):
Hey. So on the Drake May running project, it was
surprising to me, but actually turns out statistically that Drake
May was one more efficient than Jayden Daniels in his
run too, had a better average her run than Jadeen
Daniels than three, had more closive runs than than Jadan Daniels.

(54:55):
I don't know when they got the batom I was
breathing and on what it was biggest today I found
hard to believe, but I gets that those are that.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
I don't find it hard to believe at all. But
he was not as effective as a runner is You
can make a big part of the offense.

Speaker 7 (55:08):
Case that he was the best scrambling quarterback in the
league last year.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
I believe he was.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Yeah, just statistically, I would say that the difference is
Jayden Daniels ran by design.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Drake May didn't.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
That's why the efficiency numbers aren't the same. But in
terms of effectiveness, Jayden Daniels was far more effective running.
He's a huge part of the It's a huge part
of the Commander's offense was designed runs by him. But
like getting getting two yards on fourth and one is
a much better run than getting thirty yards on a scramble.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Why we have a paul and they didn't result in wins,
so like.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
Does not commit.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Obviously, you know that that that didn't make sense what
I just said. I just want to correct myself before
that one gets out of it gets away from me.
The thirty yards obviously is a great run. But what
I'm what I'm saying is that was a big part
of Washington's offense was Jayden Daniels's legs. It was not
a big part of the Patriots offense by It was
more by running for his life. So you could say,

(56:04):
like the efficiency because he averaged more more poor carry.
Sure you could have all those numbers, it wasn't as.

Speaker 8 (56:09):
Good, But doesn't that get credence to the fact that
we should then begin to incorporate drink.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
Mate, Christian, We're all with you. That was Evan's big,
big point to st We're all with you.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
You gotta you gotta establish the threat of him running
on a design play that's only gonna be good for
the rest of the offense.

Speaker 7 (56:29):
I mean, last year as Christian Buffalo, after everybody made
a whole stink about it in Arizona that they weren't
running him by design, and he had one on fourth
down where he just waltzed to a first down and
he slipped down, and it was that's what we're talking about.
We're not asking him. There weren't enough gap and like
you know, have to take on the linebacker and the hole,

(56:50):
like you know that. That's what Cam Newton used to do.
And Cam Newton's a totally different athlete, like we're this
is about getting him out in space and against smaller
guys and and getting them down on the ground.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
Sometimes I say things that are so stupid they even
be shipped my own head.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
That was one of them that we know that line.
I know, I know you know what I meant, But
I could just see that one getting out of control
on me.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
Those are really dumb. Three yards, two yards, thirty yard
runs not that was that was worse than Deuce is
twelve and four. That's good. I'm gonna keep that on
the back back yard run like you. I corrected myself. No,
that's it's too many, too many. Yeah, that was a
stupid comment.

Speaker 5 (57:27):
All right, So we'll end on that note on a
stupid comment. Okay, all right, So that's it for mini
camp for all intensive purposes.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
They were intensive purposes and heart used to say.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Intensive purposes when I was young.

Speaker 5 (57:42):
I wrote that once in an essay. It felt so stupid,
you know, got the big red mark.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
It's intensive purposes. Okay, my lesson.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
They'll be here tomorrow, but they won't be out practice,
and if they are, it's news to us.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
We won't know.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
We won't be out there with them. And then I
think rookies are hanging around a little bit.

Speaker 7 (58:02):
Yeah. Well, Campbell said he's going to be here for
the majority of the time. Yeah, maybe like a week off,
you know, just to take some time to reset, but
he's going to be Yeah, all.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Right, but that's it now. These are the true dog
days of the end of the void. Yeah, but we'll
fill them.

Speaker 5 (58:18):
We'll still be here on our normal schedule Tuesdays and
Thursdays up until training camp, and that's when some fun begins.
I won't say the real fund does that happens in September.
All right, Thanks for watching, Thanks for listening. We'll see
you next Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
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Speaker 4 (58:50):
Thanks a lot,