Patriots Unfiltered 6/5: Minicamp Preview, Roster Building, Offseason Topics

Tune-in as we discuss the past week inside Patriots Nation. What are we most looking forward to as minicamp approaches, and what should be expected of the coaches, players, and more. We dive into the receiver room and speculate who could make the final cut. Plus, we discuss first dates and more offseason topics!

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Some of the content of Patriots Unfiltered may not be
suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
The World's original podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Good news, everybody.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Drake May's back.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
Drake May's back, Drake May's back, Have no fear.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
We got our quarterback. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 5 (00:28):
Even Rusty, you can tell how smooth he is.

Speaker 6 (00:31):
Just Mike was like, so that's what it's happening. I
gave you a half hour of you know, all the
things that were great. I would agree with that. The
best stuffn there's Paul.

Speaker 7 (00:41):
I do have a bone to pick with Evan off
about Kendrick Bourne Christian.

Speaker 8 (00:46):
When did I talk about Kendrick Bourne like it was Randy
Mo even't won't shut up a libout Kenneth forrn.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
Yeah, Evan, you'd be honest.

Speaker 7 (00:52):
Every time we talk about Kendrick Bourne, who's the only
one that.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Defended defending Evan?

Speaker 5 (00:56):
Are you trolling?

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Evan? Stop?

Speaker 7 (01:00):
Everything was Kendrick Bourne comes up? So you are primarily the
only one to bending him.

Speaker 8 (01:04):
I mean, I had a nice practice last week, but
I was just evaluating practice.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
I don't know I'm gonna do some yardwork too wack.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
This is Patriots Unfiltered, presented by Toyota's official website.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
For deals, buy a Toyota dot com.

Speaker 9 (01:25):
All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
at Gillette Stadium. It's summer has finally come.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
He's gonna be like eighty eight degrees here.

Speaker 9 (01:36):
In Foxboro today, beautiful, nice and monkeys scorch you.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
Yeah, the guys are walking off to practice. It felt
like training camp so high. I just feel his heat
coming into this.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
You just want to be outside, not yet, I don't.
You just want to I want to be out there
side right.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
Yeah, maybe next week we'll do that.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Can't wait.

Speaker 9 (01:54):
All right, it's Paul Evan, Alex Deuce, Matt in the
booth talking Patriots for the next two hours and whatever
else comes up.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I'm sure. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:05):
So the team's still practicing. We haven't seen a practice
since Monday. But next week is a big week because
it's mandatory mini camp and we'll be out there on Monday,
Tuesday and Wednesday as long as they have practice doing
our live shows, uh, starting probably around eleven thirty on
both more, you know, on Monday and Tuesday, Rabel will

(02:29):
do his press conference. We'll cover that live and then
we'll go to practice and we'll cover as much as
they allow us to cover with the cameras. When they
turn tell them to shut off, we'll shut off. We'll
end the show. But we will have a wrap up
show after practice, so you know, probably around two fifteen
thirty or so.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
Will we wrap up in here, Fred or are we
gonna wrap up it?

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Oh, we'll wrap up in here.

Speaker 9 (02:51):
Yeah, we'll come down to the studio after practice after
player availability.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Okay, so big week next week.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
Huge, I mean things just ramp up during Mini camp.
I mean, Paul tell you they jump from OTAs to
mini camp.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
It's quite The level of intensity is palpable.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
It goes from about a four to five.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
They go from just shorts and shorts in mini camp.

Speaker 8 (03:13):
And the attendance has been really good for the voluntary
part too, So it's not even like we haven't seen anybody.
I know that you're looking forward to its being there
on Monday. He was kind of the last one, so
we've we've sort of seen everybody too. Yeah, he was
at the very first practice and he hasn't been there, but.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
Even some of the guys that weren't there on Monday.
I've seen around. We did media day yesterday, right, everybody's kind.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Of you mentioned yesterday was media Day.

Speaker 9 (03:38):
That's the day that all the players and as many
as that can be here have their photos and videos
taking for the various broadcasts. So we take care of
all those photos that you see, like in NBC when.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Somebody says, hey, I'm you know next up?

Speaker 9 (03:56):
You know, we film all that in the office season
and ship that off to the various networks. As well
as the stuff that we use in stadium during the
games and the big board. We take care of all that.
And we did all that yesterday. So some pretty cool stuff.
And I saw a lot of people noticed that they
were wearing their gray slacks.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
I realized that halfway through, halfway through the we were there,
and then all of a sudden, I turned down and like, oh,
they're all wearing great pants, right, so.

Speaker 6 (04:25):
Interesting, the same uniforms, the same as the ones we
were last year, the dirty ones, I.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Think, so yeah, but they know they like me.

Speaker 8 (04:33):
They liked the gray pants though that they like the
gray pants with the blue but much better than the blueberries.
So we're moving, moving in the right direction.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
It's the stripes on.

Speaker 8 (04:41):
The shoulders that they gotta. You don't like the stripes
too big, too much stripe? Really Yeah, it's a big
point of contention.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, I like the stripes.

Speaker 9 (04:49):
It's like a lot of the SEC teams like Auburn
have the stripes.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
I think it could they could be smaller.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
But LSU has the stripes.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
L s U has the stripes.

Speaker 8 (05:00):
This is a big bone with the fans. The fans
do not like the stripes.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
I like.

Speaker 10 (05:05):
So is it that they don't like the stripes or
is it that they don't like the stripe blueberries with
the silver pants because it's a different kind.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Of spe is because they don't match.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (05:15):
I think if the stripes were redone in a more
aesthetically pleasing way, then they would get the seal of approval.
But just these stripes with this color coordination just doesn't work.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
Okay, that's all. I had kind of a tough experience yesterday, Fred,
I like you shared with the group. That's unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Well, little background, you know.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
I think I like to pride myself that I can
throw a football a little bit. I've been told, been
told by certain NFL Network commentator played football at Princeton
that wow, dude, you got a pretty good arm. He
said that, quote direct quote. A couple of summers ago.
You might remember I fell.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
I do remember this.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Remember I fell on the beach.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
You were talking about when he fell down.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
Well, I was playing football with my son and I
jumped into a sandbar. I thought it was an ocean.
It was.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
And we were at training camp.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
A football rolls by my feet and I was like,
time to shine, pick the football up, try to throw
a rib gear. I was like, oh, and it was
a terrible throw. So yesterday who walks into my area?
We're doing some videos, but my god, Gibril Peppers walks
in and so we have these kind of silver footballs
that we were using and June he was like, Douce,
do you want to throw Gabril the football?

Speaker 2 (06:21):
And I was like absolutely.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
So I'm standing there, Gabril is standing there like, all right,
throw it to him. And as I go to throw it,
like the silver paint on the football is slippery, and
again I just like and it's like.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I did I think I did?

Speaker 5 (06:38):
I felt like I did at least side, So I
think I think I think Gabril was disappointed in me.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
I could see it on.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
His face to get one chance.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
I know when I thought I was really gonna pop
that one off, like I was, you know, Everett High
at circa eighty five, Like.

Speaker 11 (06:53):
But I played catch a little with the ball too.

Speaker 10 (06:55):
It was I mean, granted I got a okay from
Splaine passing it to Junior, but there was a little
bit of like attackiness.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, dou just threw up his mom's spaghette.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
I did was because because the other guys were all
going to underhand, the underhand kind of you know, and
I was like, I'm not doing that. I'm going to.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Like, let's go.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
No.

Speaker 6 (07:17):
No, he just was like, well I ran the PP
two and holy so is it?

Speaker 9 (07:21):
So is it going to be your mission this year,
one of these years, on another occasion where you can
throw him the football.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
At least somebody at least somebody. I mean I said
it many times during the warm up SEC session of practice.
I think I'd be great at like when the DB's
just dropped back and the coach just loves it to
them and they you know, grab it, Like I think
that would be really good for me. But I got
to prove myself. One of these days a football will
roll to my feet.

Speaker 10 (07:43):
And I'm Matthew Slaters, not no longer here as a
coach or a player. So you can take the role
of when his children would catch the balls at training
camp for the punters and then instead of throwing it
back to the special teams, guys just like.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Just watch and then I'm like, no, no, no, no,
I'll throw it back.

Speaker 9 (08:02):
I always had this fantasy that the Patriots were playing
a lefty quarterback one week and Belichick scept fred, I need.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
You and.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
You know had that same rotation.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
Do you think you would have been better than just
a random guy they got to just throw with his
left hand like a random NFL athlete.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Oh right.

Speaker 9 (08:19):
I had a catch with Edelman when we did the
uh the schedules video, and I was, I was, you know,
do you ever have a catch with Drew Paul?

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Did you ever get that opportunity catch?

Speaker 12 (08:30):
Not?

Speaker 5 (08:31):
I'd just be curious what it's like to catch a
ball front Drew or Brady like a real NFL quid.
Hurt your hand exactly like I've just hurt Like how
I mean, is it just do you feel, you know,
come off.

Speaker 6 (08:42):
We talked about this during Monday's practice when we were
on the you know, we're.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
Watching and they were doing a.

Speaker 6 (08:47):
Quick drill with the I think it was the DB's
and they had the judge machine and it was pretty close.
It was probably within fifteen yards, would you say, And
they had you know, click on the line and they
were turning. It was basically it's like you were almost
a linebacker dropping into his own, you know, so quick
reaction CROs get and it was like four or five
go by.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
And I looked at Mike, I go, you think you
could catch one of those?

Speaker 2 (09:09):
No doubt?

Speaker 4 (09:10):
And he said no, and I doubt. I agreed.

Speaker 6 (09:14):
I think coming that fast, I'm not sure because I
pride myself the hand eye is elite.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
I have an elite hand eye.

Speaker 13 (09:23):
Especially when it comes to always says it about himself
like he's wrong. I have a elite handy and the
remote correct another another point in my.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Face going to streaming services. But that's fine.

Speaker 6 (09:35):
I don't think though, from that close, at that velocity,
I don't think, you know, so I wouldn't necessarily want
to play catch with.

Speaker 9 (09:42):
Speaking of fast, I came out to practice Monday and
they were doing you know, some punt returns and whoever
was operating the drug machine had that thing on eleven
because that thing was coming out like a freaking rocket.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Good good, Yeah, get working, guys. Catch that ball.

Speaker 8 (09:59):
I I would like to try, you know, maybe run
like a sixteen yard dig and just tell Drake may
like just rifle it, like just throw it, throw it
like you would.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Throw a helmet.

Speaker 8 (10:09):
You might need a helmet, and like, I just want
to see if it hits me in the face and
puts me into next Tuesday, like, you know, give me
your best throat.

Speaker 6 (10:17):
We're watching Zoe on on the Sports Hub on the
TV in the studio and he he broke someone's finger and.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
I park a lot at the Sports Hug. They just
playing catch.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, so that's a good point you break up.

Speaker 6 (10:29):
But I don't think I don't think he was throwing
it like as hard as he could or anything.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
That's that's that point different, right, That's what I'm cured
ready for it. And I've had plenty of catches with
my son, and that's that the thirteen year old don't
throw it like you, But just what's you feel like
coming off the off the hand. It's a fastball, Like, whoa,
this is different.

Speaker 9 (10:45):
I mean they're probably throwing what's sixty seventy miles an
hour off football?

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Sixty sounds about right. I mean, not like I could
bring it in baseball.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Of course, not you got to wear the gloves.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
That was a video.

Speaker 6 (10:56):
I told you that at Miami, right, woman up in
the bullpen at Miami. Know, so I would be I'd
throw a pitch and they would go throw it back
and they go.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
Every pitch good someone unnerving.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
That's funny. I use that tonight in my son's base.

Speaker 9 (11:14):
That's a good trash talk maneuver. All right, all right,
So we had a media day yesterday. We're gonna have
mini camp next week. What else do we have to
talk about today? I do have one thing I want
to clear up. And I appreciate Morgan for Vermont clearing
up something, because I didn't know if I was going crazy.

(11:35):
We're talking about wings, the drumstick part. And he said
the guy who wrote in on Tuesday saying drums aren't
wings should probably stick to eating crayons. Drums absolutely are wings.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Fred was right.

Speaker 9 (11:46):
The drum is separated from the flat, but both pieces
make up the wing without question. I would like to
thank the guy, though his blind stupidity makes me feel
really smart. I knew that they were one piece that
got separate. It's like the shoulder, right, it's the shoulder.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
And that's all we need to do is we just
had a call out.

Speaker 11 (12:06):
I was listening to the show after the fact to
pull the clips.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
In Renaissance like skills.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Chicken Anatim, she's got it all.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
So we did we needed you?

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Were you?

Speaker 3 (12:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
On Tuesday, I was just going to bring up Evan
and I were talking that report. This morning, Patriots hired
a director of coaching analytics. Uh, analytics, a director?

Speaker 4 (12:27):
You did not say that, are we.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Point? They did not have someone.

Speaker 8 (12:33):
No, they this is their fourth person on staff and
their analytics department, And uh, I have what I'm saying,
director because Marshall is the main guy in our analytics department.
I'd have to look up his exact title, but he's
he's uh, he's.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Been around for a little while, Marshall.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (12:53):
And then they hired somebody from Joe McDonald who was
previously with the Red Sox. Actually that's making the transition
into football from baseball. About six months ago, maybe ended
towards the end of the season last year.

Speaker 6 (13:06):
I believe he's director of football strategy. Marshall homes yeah,
is it home.

Speaker 8 (13:10):
Yeah, strategy yeah, okay, director of football strategy yeah. And
now this guy from the forty nine ers would make
four people in our analytics department. And you know, that's
an area of the team that has come under some
criticism for being behind the times and not having these
types of people. And what I liked about this hire's

(13:32):
background is that he not only does he do you know,
coaching analytics, so like scouting, you know, advanced scouting for
opponents and things like that, and you know, charting tendencies
and all that good stuff. He's also worked in the
personnel side with the forty nine ers as well to
work on you know, using analytics in terms of scouting

(13:55):
and evaluating talent and players. So that's all good stuff
for the Patriots. And some of the best teams in
the league have some of the most robust analytics departments.
Philadelphia is probably the number one team in the league
in terms of department. They have about eight people eight
people in their department. Their assistant general managers and analytics
guy as well, so is it.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
Like the Red Sox they have about one hundred.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
What I'm saying, and the Dodgers I think have even more.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Right, Yeah, yep.

Speaker 8 (14:25):
So McDonald came from from the Red Sox, directly from
the Red Sox to the Patriots and hopefully to maybe
not necessarily do football scouting per se, but to bring
the systems up to date with what the industry is
doing at this point. I know a lot of people

(14:46):
hear about this kind of stuff and don't like it
and don't want you know, the fourth down decision making
it all be based off of win probabilities and stuff.
But that's not all that they do. You know, that's
probably five percent of the job that gets ninety five
percent of the attention and just because it's you know,
presented that way on game days. But really the more
of the stuff that they do is is scouting, advanced

(15:09):
scouting of opponents, scouting yourself and your tendency.

Speaker 9 (15:13):
Always done that. How does analytics change the way they scout?

Speaker 8 (15:17):
So I would say that in a couple of different ways.
You know, player tracking data is probably the biggest one.
I mean, so all the players have you know, the
chip in their their pads or somewhere on their their
person and that stuff tracks everything from like straight line
speed and max speeds to you know, how explosive you
are in and out of your cuts if you're a

(15:38):
receiver or cornerback or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
I mean you can't tell that by looking at him.

Speaker 8 (15:44):
Well, it just is a way to like tangibly put
a number to what you're watching. So that that's a
big part of it. I mean you could say that.
But then like the Patriots probably thought Sony Michelle looked
pretty fast at Georgia and like how did that go?
So if they had this type of data, then they
would be able to say, well, the data doesn't really

(16:05):
support that. So then you can go back and watch
the film again and make sure that your eyes aren't
deceiving you about certain players.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
So yeah, all that stuff is good.

Speaker 8 (16:15):
Like they needed this, They needed to kind of bring
that department up to standard, I would say. And like
Mike Rabel I think is a really good person because
he's going to still be at his heart of hearts,
is going to be a football guy, right, Like he's
not going to let the nerds infiltrate the organization. But
it's a great resource to have.

Speaker 10 (16:34):
I don't think dis guy's your average nerd either. Like
he played linebacker at the University of Toledo. He has
a pretty cool stories from Nigeria. Originally was born in Lagos,
got a Baucher's of Engineering and Bioengineering, Masters of Science
and Data Science from DePaul.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
My boy's wicked smimt.

Speaker 11 (16:51):
He's wicked smile and he doesn't look like a nerd.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Like no.

Speaker 11 (16:57):
Locker and beat them on a test.

Speaker 8 (16:59):
Some of the things that he didn't with the forty
nine ers was actually creating their own metrics in terms
of like value and stuff like that to assign values
to players, whether it's like free agency or or the
draft too. So he did a lot of R and
D work on that kind of stuff as well. So
I'm like interested to see where they go with that too.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
I have an analytics request from the nerds.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
Yeah, can we get a football fast stat which they're
tracking guys on their shirts? Yep, we know what their
time forties are. But you watch enough of these games,
you should get enough of a sample size that you
know which guys run routes the fastest and which guys
could actually oh yeah, he only runs a four to
four to eight as a receiver. But on the field,

(17:42):
he's been running this mile proud, you know, he's football fast. Like,
can't we get that kid.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
To get that?

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Well, they have that.

Speaker 8 (17:48):
But I think what's cool about where we're going now
with all of this is that it's not just straight
line speed, because I think that's deceiving because if a guy,
different guys run forty yards and some guys may never
run forty yards in the straight line. So like, how
could you say that, you know, this slot receiver, like
you don't know, right, Like that's a different skill set.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
They're not running go routes. They're not.

Speaker 8 (18:09):
You know, every single year when you look at like
next Gen and who's the fastest players, it's always like
gunners on on like punt team right full, and it's like, well, yeah,
they're get to run the sprint down the field. That's
what the forty yard dash is for. It's actually why
it was created. So like all these things are like
kind of okay, but now we can measure speed off
the line of scrimmage and their acceleration, how quickly they

(18:32):
build up speed with the football in their hands after
the catch. You know, that was something that Travis Hunter
was like off the charts at was his build up
speed with the football. So you can kind of break
it down into separate parts now, So like they can
sit there and say, like this player, you know, breaks
at the top of the route at this acceleration, and
that's how he creates separation, and like that might change
in terms of like your role in an offense, how

(18:55):
important that is or isn't. So all that stuff I
think is really important as well.

Speaker 6 (19:01):
The least surprising thing was that evn't knew that much
about the Patriots analytics to it.

Speaker 9 (19:07):
But I wish there was a way we could go
back in time and put these numbers on people who
we thought were like Barry Sanders, what would his numbers
have been?

Speaker 4 (19:20):
So we can do it.

Speaker 8 (19:21):
I think we can do it with the video of that,
And then you can get like an estimated number by
basically looking at like you know, feet per minute or
per second I guess would probably be the more accurate measurement,
and then kind of computing Okay, well what's that equal
in miles per hour and what's that?

Speaker 3 (19:39):
But like it's not you know, they don't have.

Speaker 8 (19:41):
The chip right, and Barry Sanders so it's an estimate,
but they do. There are analytics houses that do things
like that that are able to kind of just look
and based off them.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
And so when they do that, do the numbers bear out?

Speaker 9 (19:53):
Like, yes, the people that were great then would have
had great numbers.

Speaker 8 (19:58):
Now I haven't necessarily seen at like Barry Sanders or
you know, someone like that, but that they do that
with the current players now, stuff like that.

Speaker 9 (20:08):
Like Aston what do you know have any idea what
his numbers are?

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, Ashton denty.

Speaker 8 (20:14):
You know, he was more about like you know, I
was talking about like off the line of scrimmage, Like
his speed was more of his burst, like the first
ten yards and not necessarily you know, he has breakaway speed,
but he's not you know, necessarily.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Not worried about that.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
It's yeah, so he was.

Speaker 8 (20:29):
He graded out pretty well in those types of metrics
and things like that. So look, I get it. It's
you know, not everybody's gonna be on board with it.
You know, it has its role. It's not it shouldn't
be the entire piece of the puzzle, but it's a
piece to the puzzle. And I just think a lot
of the teams that are embracing it. Are some of

(20:52):
the teams are some of the best scouting teams in
the NFL, especially through the draft. You know, the Rams
are probably the poster child right now success stories like
the Rams. Do they draft Puka Nakua without player player
tracking data? Probably not, you know, so like those are
the things that you can look at in terms of
like when it works out. But you still have to
you know, football is football. You still have to scout it.

(21:13):
You still have to, you know, really do your due
diligence and watch the tape. And the tape is king
And I don't think anybody's arguing with that.

Speaker 9 (21:20):
Yeah, And I think, you know, it's one thing to
get this tracking data when they're in a sterile environment,
But what's that tracking data look during a game?

Speaker 2 (21:30):
To me, that's the most important part.

Speaker 8 (21:32):
Well, that's what it all is. Yeah, none of us
so like that. You know, teams like the Rams and
now the Jaguars who are following in the rams footsteps.
The Rams don't even go to the combine. They don't
pay attention to a single thing that happens at the combine.
They don't send anybody, they don't do any of the
interviews they don't look at any of the on field
drills because all of their data is in game tracking. Right,

(21:54):
how fast is this guy with pads between the lines?

Speaker 9 (21:58):
Not?

Speaker 3 (21:58):
I don't care what he runs in? A forty in spandex.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Still sounds stupid to me.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
I think that's dumb.

Speaker 6 (22:04):
Just go like, if you want to everything that Evan
just said about the data, if you want to accentuate
that data, by all means you accentuate that data.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
That's what I believe in. Why would you not go into.

Speaker 6 (22:18):
So why would you not utilize all the possible information
that you can everyone else you want to lean on
all of the numbers that you get on your own.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
Fine, but why wouldn't you go and talk to somebody?

Speaker 6 (22:30):
Why wouldn't you use the opportunity to meet with as
many players as you can to get to know who
they are.

Speaker 8 (22:35):
Well, to take it a step further, they don't do
thirty visits either, So.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Like, I think that's insane, it's kind of arrogant.

Speaker 6 (22:42):
So it's very ary, and I you know I'm saying this.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
You know that I'm a believer in McVeigh.

Speaker 6 (22:48):
Yeah, I think he's exceptional, But I think that's that's
closing the door to information. I don't know why you
would ever do that. I would say the same thing
to the football I used to criticize Belichick for completely
being so anti analytical, even though I am more anti analytical.
Why would you close the door to information that can
possibly help you right, use it all and then determine

(23:09):
on your own what you think is more important.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Right.

Speaker 8 (23:12):
So the reason why they don't not not that I
necessarily agree with it, but the reason why they don't
do interviews is because they don't want to develop bias.
H Yes, they don't want get clouded towards the individual players,
Like they don't want a player that's just a great
talker to just talk them into drafting him if he's
not a great football player. So they that's how they
view it is that when you meet somebody in person

(23:34):
and you hit it off with that person, then maybe
you get clouded in terms of your judgment that we
just like this kid, so we're just gonna draft him
over you know, drafting somebody else who's actually got better
tape in it, a better football player.

Speaker 6 (23:46):
My argument against that would be, have you never had
a I'm going to leave out my example, but that
I just thought of that maybe, chuckle. Have you ever
had an experience with somebody that was sort of average
on paper that was made to look better when you
got to talk to them and they turned out to Wow? Boy,
Am I glad I got to know that person because

(24:08):
they offer so much more than they're quiet.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
There's a lot right right?

Speaker 6 (24:12):
You tell me there's no example of a player who
has average skills but is put over the top because
he's incredibly prepared and instinctive and you know, leader, you
know leadership. You can't use a player like that that
maybe doesn't have the perfect numbers that you're looking for. Again,
if you want to accentuate the numbers, that's your prerogative.

(24:34):
I don't think that that's wrong. You utilize all the
all the analytical data that you can. But I don't
know why you would not want you know, am I
going to be afraid that I'm going to say, Well,
this guy flat out can't play, but he was a
really good guy, so I'm going to draft him.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
I don't think that happens a lot.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
It's interesting that they came to this though, probably during
that period, but they didn't really have a lot of
high round picks, but the proof is in the pudding.
They've drafted really well the last couple of years.

Speaker 6 (24:58):
They cannot do with the program, or as I like
to said, the program the program. Yeah, and argue with
their their success rate.

Speaker 8 (25:04):
Yeah, I don't necessarily agree with their interview process. I
think they do a great job though, of and they
show it a lot with some of the Rams behind
the scenes stuff where it's like less Need and his
kind of group, less Needs their general manager. He kind
of brings like that sort of analytical approach, and then
Sean McVay brings the football right, and so Sean McVay

(25:25):
will come in and less Need will say, well this guy,
we like this guy because of this, this and this,
and then Sean McVay will come in and say, well
I can use them like that, and I'm going to
use them like this and this is he's gonna be
a great fit because of the X, Y and Z and
they've that's I think how they kind of put it
all together. But you know, the Rams, uh, the the Eagles,
the Lions, the Ravens, certainly like these teams all have

(25:48):
great strong analytical departments, you know, big staffs, all of it.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
That have a huge role in what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (25:58):
The personal department also promoted someone to replace Cam Williams.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Did hold police have that name right here? That would
be Tony K.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
And he was with.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
So that's a pro personnel.

Speaker 5 (26:13):
That's the director of college scouting.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
College scouting switched I think from pro to replace Cameron.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
He's been around a little bit. I think he was
with Tampa for a while.

Speaker 9 (26:22):
Okay, Jack and and Arbor warns us about having a
catch with a pro quarterback. He says, Stuart Scott, he
has been an ankerman. Before an NFL game, Scott asked
a quarterback to throw him a pass.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Uh. The quarterback through the pass aimed directly at his head.

Speaker 9 (26:39):
Not realizing how hard the QB throws of football, Scott
couldn't catch it, went through his hands, hit him in
the eye, partially blinding him.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
That is correct. I remember that story. That's yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
I didn't know that. I thought that was just a thing. Yeah,
that was an accident.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (26:56):
Do you know what quarterback it was?

Speaker 4 (26:57):
I don't, Yeah, I don't. I don't remember.

Speaker 6 (27:01):
Remember our old security guy broke a finger catching a
pass from from you. The Zolac blood cell right that
former security guy. Yeah, bro, I think he broke a
finger catching a pass from either Bloodsoe or right, Frank, Frank,
you don't remember that?

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, I don't remember.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
No, no, no, maybe I'm just maybe I'm making stuff.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Up, my frank.

Speaker 9 (27:25):
Uh. Uh. Story was we were at Bryant College and
uh that's where that happened during training camp. Okay, so
another thing happened there. He started riding a bike everywhere.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Do you remember that?

Speaker 9 (27:37):
Ye, I don't know what happened, but I think he
felt Yeah, he went he went after somebody and the
bike just like did a wheel and he fell off
the back of it.

Speaker 6 (27:49):
He got he got mad at us when we wrote,
we wrote about the guy running on the field, right,
he got home made all right?

Speaker 9 (27:57):
Eight five five past five hundred is the high Line
podcast at Patriots dot com. Is the email address uh
newsletters coming out this week. You can subscribe to the
email by the newsletter by going to Patriots dot com
slash pu newsletter. You definitely want to subscribe to that.
It's a lot of fun. We make fun of each

(28:19):
other on that. Alex puts a.

Speaker 8 (28:22):
Little trouble last week because of the newsletter. No I
did personally at home. Yeah, oh yeah, so you know
we put that that story in the newsletter, the off
air story. And I went to go pick Jess up
from somewhere. She gets in the car and she goes
saxophone huh, And I was like, I was like, you
knew I played.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Played this.

Speaker 8 (28:43):
I played the saxophone and she was like, I didn't
know why. I was like, it was twenty years ago.
I think we've moved on.

Speaker 11 (28:51):
The part that didn't make it in is your rock band?
You were in a rock band.

Speaker 8 (28:55):
I wasn't a rock band ish. I mean, like I
like cause played it was of it.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
We didn't have a name. You have a name, I know,
it didn't analytics. We never named it.

Speaker 9 (29:05):
So when you say you were a rock band, you
were a bunch of guys that played together in the
garage or did you actually.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Have a we know, we only had like one or
two gigs.

Speaker 8 (29:13):
And it was like kind of like an after school
program thing, and uh my mom and dad wanted me
to do it to keep it on my college resume,
and I didn't want to do like high school band anymore.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
I was kind of over it.

Speaker 8 (29:26):
And so we were just like jamming this dude's garage
that ran this after school program.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
I did some neither brass on the band or is
this what do we Yeah, we had it.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
We had a whole whole horn.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Second, you were like Parliament.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
We were like we.

Speaker 8 (29:41):
Liked to you know, more like Bruce Springsteed in the
EA Street Band. You know that was sort of what
we We thought that ourselves were hard fancy.

Speaker 11 (29:50):
That last time we touched the sash man should.

Speaker 10 (29:53):
Break it out at your wedding, high school, your reception,
break it out, and I think that'd be a good time.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
That is right there, surprised for j I'm the wedding,
bust out the sacks and and give her a serenade
her with sacks.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Right, you're saying sacks sat.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
Not like sacks of the quarterback player. Some sacks. I
think that's a good idea.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
She would love it. What song would you play?

Speaker 3 (30:15):
I can play Sweet Caroline on there. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Red Sox remember.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Right now his music is Eric trying to play the piano.

Speaker 9 (30:31):
That was funny, yeah, so Eron he insisted. Eric always
told us, oh I can play the piano. So we
were at a super Bowl. It was in Atlanta, and
I had an electric piano there because we're going to
use it for media night for one of the players,
and it was just set up, and so I Eric
go play the piano, keyboard and spot and he just

(30:52):
couldn't play. And then who was it that just jumped
out Jamie Jamie one and just bangs out of it.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
Was like.

Speaker 9 (31:03):
You ever see those those those guys who are like, oh, yeah,
I can play the guitar, So you hand him a
guitar and they spend like twenty minutes and they never
get to anything. That was what everyone was doing.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
It was just like.

Speaker 9 (31:15):
It's like, if you really know how to play the piano,
you just you just start playing.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
That was the Atlanta super Bowl, right, Yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
You just that was That was what he did.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
That's that's what he did.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
That's what he did.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
That was Yeah, my guy.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
No artistic, no kidding.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
I had training on the saxophone.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
A lot of you played the play of an instrument though,
and you're like that you have to have a go
to song of just like here's the one I worked
on for a year that.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
You know you have to figure Hollins open, right, that.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
Just sounds like he's just like, so, I just I'm
not literally a bully play I'm not being a bully.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
They were a little bit of a bully.

Speaker 9 (31:56):
But he invites them, Like if you if you tell people, oh, yes,
I played a piano in in such a way that
you know, yeah this way? Yeah yeah, like you better
be able to play the piano.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
I can push the keys down.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
I'm not telling you I can.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
That's all. That's all he was doing. I can was
just like randomly hitting keys. He claimed he knew how
to play right, and he didn't.

Speaker 5 (32:18):
Did he clam up or did he walk over there
with confidence and was ready to just know?

Speaker 2 (32:21):
I had to coax them to the tails, like yeah right.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Ferre still has the actual video of it.

Speaker 9 (32:29):
Yeah, it's it's I don't know. It's like if you
tell someone, oh, yes I speak Italian, you better be
able to speak Italian.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
I'm fluent.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
Yeah. Well, if there's ever a guitar around and you
want me to pick it up and play an acoustic
version of Pink Pony Club, I've got that in my repertoire.
Now you can do.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Clubs, So you're still really.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
I am being serious about the music hall on the side,
the musician or sorry trump.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Not the trumpet.

Speaker 8 (32:58):
Trumpets gross, like to get those all caught in there
objectively cool, thank you.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah, I picked the trombone. I had no idea what well.

Speaker 9 (33:07):
Yeah, the sax is cool because you don't look like
weird when you're playing it.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
When you're playing the trumpet, your cheeks around like this.

Speaker 9 (33:12):
But I don't know, you can kind of be cool
playing the saxons.

Speaker 10 (33:17):
That sounds so good too, Like do you know Joey
Sacks that the Celtics games befriended him just after a
couple of times there when he has like when he
plays outside of TD Garden after a concert or something,
it's electric. Like he did a Celene Dion song after
Selene concert. It went so viral because he was so good.

Speaker 8 (33:35):
That's like why I stopped playing in the school band
was because we we were doing all the classical stuff
and it was like, wasn't fun, Like I yeah, I
think nowadays they try to do it a little bit more.
We were actually playing songs, you know, like it's way
more exciting when you're when you're actually playing a song
than it is like when you're like going back and
playing like some like symphony or something, and.

Speaker 11 (33:56):
The college marching bands do all of the lights.

Speaker 8 (33:59):
Yeah, right, Like I hear that a lot more now
that they do, Like they do actual songs that are
popular and stuff, which is much more fun.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
Do you remember, like all the songs that your band
used to play, Like during football games in high school,
there was just like a repertoire of.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Like, you know, certain field.

Speaker 5 (34:14):
You were paying attention to the cheerleaders in the band,
like me, why do you play?

Speaker 4 (34:18):
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 6 (34:19):
I was about quarterback for a while. I had the
baseball hat in the EyeBlack.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
I was looking so so our band sometimes they didn't
this is high school. They didn't travel. But one kid
was really into it, the trumpet player, and so you
just had the trumpet guy go and he for like
away games, he would just trumpet.

Speaker 14 (34:36):
You know.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
It was a trumpet guy.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
It wasn't his name was Cliff.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
It wasn't as exciting, but just a trumpet, you know.

Speaker 9 (34:43):
But Jeremiah says, if we're giving suggestions for a song
that Evan should play at his wedding, on his sacks,
I suggest Careless Whispers just sits at the middle of
a dance as he circles.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
I wouldn't pay.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
What's that song?

Speaker 4 (34:58):
It's about cheating?

Speaker 5 (34:59):
Oh it is, Oh.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Caroline, that's not nice, Jeremiah.

Speaker 5 (35:06):
It's a great sacks.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
It's definitely it's a great SAXA my uh, it's cheating.

Speaker 8 (35:12):
My grandparents were massive Neil Diamond fans, huge, and so
at their fiftieth wedding or anniversary, I performed Sweet Caroline,
and I practiced for like weeks in advance to nail it,
and they had a little band with me and everything
to fill in.

Speaker 14 (35:28):
And of course did they do the oh yeah, yeah,
so good, so good, so good, you know, you know,
and I'm just wailing.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Speaker 15 (35:39):
I know.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
Alex said that I don't think saxes are cool. They
just like silly to me, like walking out on it.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Like who's doing that?

Speaker 4 (35:47):
The Battle of the Fans dancing.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
Do you remember the guy in The Lost Boys who
played the sacks with like he was like shirtless with
like a leather pants and like a ponytail.

Speaker 11 (35:56):
That was the only wedding there's a sax player. And
then like the after hours at the reception.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
See that's where I'm going out, So I have as
I played.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Hockey with a.

Speaker 5 (36:11):
I'm just saying this is where it all comes from
from me. I have an old friend from college who
that's what he does.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
He moved to San Diego.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
He plays the sacks at weddings and that's what it is.
It's like him like getting into it.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
I don't know what this move is. I've never seen
anybody that plays the sas you know what you.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Got to hear and.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (36:31):
I don't know what in the USC martching band on
the Tusk video for that would back.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
It's a lot.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
You want to be more.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
You want to be slower with it.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Dude, you're like jerking it like you don't want to
do that.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Oh wow, you don't want to do that.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know what moves you don't.

Speaker 14 (36:51):
I don't mean your strim songs, all right, I don't
know honestly.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Like I'm sure I could like charge like five grand
in appearance.

Speaker 8 (36:59):
I'm sure I could make like I could play it
was in like I still would know the mechanics of
like if I picked one up, I could you know,
make noise and like things like that, But I can't
like actually play anymore.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
I played in Saxon O's like x's and o's with Saxon.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Oh that's not bad.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
You know your your two favorite things.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
The brass knows all right, that's also very good.

Speaker 9 (37:23):
Podcast at Patriots dot Com, Eric from Nashville has a
couple Would you rathers Okay, little football.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
Good games, good job, good job.

Speaker 9 (37:30):
Would you rather relive the two thousand and one, two
thousand and five Patriots or the twenty fourteen twenty eighteen Patriots.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
One one one.

Speaker 11 (37:42):
Young, so I was too young to truly appreciate game?

Speaker 9 (37:46):
Okay? Would you rather relive the seven to twenty eleven
Patriots with the extreme highs and lows? Or the twenty
twenty twenty twenty four Patriots with just the expected lows?

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Even better to have been there and lost than never
to have been there.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
I would agree, better.

Speaker 11 (38:05):
To watch Randy Moss than whatever those years were.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yeah, you lose, you lose too soon? I mean, how
as opposed to not making the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
They won more than twelve games, though it's too much,
too many games he.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Probably wants to watch now.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
I mean, I'm just so tired of going twelve.

Speaker 9 (38:19):
And lastly, he says, to get Paul a new car
has anyone suggested pimping him out with his new body.
He surely has someone in his family that knows where
to start. Oh that's terrible, man, But I am.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Very James Street, very popular.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
That's down by Park Plaza. It's notorious.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
What we could do, no crap. You know you don't
have to leave your house anymore.

Speaker 15 (38:49):
Though.

Speaker 5 (38:50):
I think he just only fans it up. You know
you got good, you got good feet can.

Speaker 11 (38:54):
Money to be made.

Speaker 10 (38:55):
They just sold for nine billion dollars. It's cheaper to
buy only fans. It's cheaper by the Boston Celtics.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
I don't think. I don't think there's money to be
made for for me.

Speaker 11 (39:04):
You never know, there's some freaks out there.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
There are a lot of You're very popular with the sixteen.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
I've seen.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
I'm not.

Speaker 5 (39:13):
I've seen.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
You should see him on game day sometimes the women
come calling.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
They do that.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
The draft party this year. Really, I think it hurt
you because we were down down here, weren't able to be.

Speaker 14 (39:27):
Well.

Speaker 11 (39:27):
He signed.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
And that, Oh my god, he is.

Speaker 9 (39:36):
Trying to find some football questions. Curtis and Saint Louis,
which positional battle do you think will be more? Have
the more surprising outcome as it comes to making the
roster slash Day one starter the wide receiver room or
the interior offensive line, which will have the more surprising outcome.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I might go in. I might go guard left guard,
surprising like a Tyree Robbins.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
Okay, I'm gonna go guard to.

Speaker 5 (40:02):
I think like I kind of have a sense of
the wide receivers, one or two guys, maybe some questions.
But well, if if.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
He doesn't, if he doesn't end up starting at this point,
I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Be surprised he doesn't up to be surprised.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
The way the way it's been written and talked about,
man hates in the wrong place. There. Do not put
my don't assign my hate to Chisholm.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
You don't.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
You don't because I have. You don't even spoken to
the man.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
You don't like the mold. You don't like this.

Speaker 11 (40:34):
No, I don't like the reaction, the manufactured hype.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Correct, that's doesn't like people who try hard.

Speaker 6 (40:40):
No, no, no, no, try hard doing this. Do not
do this about the player. I don't know enough about
the player know if I like him or not. I
haven't really seen him. It's the gross overreaction to everything
that I sort of pushed back on. Okay, enough, there's

(41:00):
no like, and he doesn't like people who try hard.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
There's a lot of guys who try hard. Come on,
all right, don't be like.

Speaker 9 (41:08):
Curtis also said that second question, agree or disagree? If
Gonzo has a similar or better season this year, signing
him to an extension next off season is top priority,
the top priority.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
But is the extension eligible?

Speaker 4 (41:23):
I don't think he can.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
That'd be his third season.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
I think, don't you have to wait till the fourth.

Speaker 6 (41:29):
I think they would always forget that, dang right, But
then he would be eligible after the third season. Oh wait, no, no, no,
he's right, he's right. Yeah, talk myself out.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Of that.

Speaker 6 (41:40):
Change because Brady did it after his third Well, yeah,
the rules have changed. Okay, but but the emailer is
right because he's talking after this year. That would be
after the third year. Yes, you can decide on the
fifty year option.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
And you can extend that. Yeah, I got all very well.
Might be that is very difficult for Paul.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
I could see it being the top option and one
of the top options. I mean, I haven't looked too
far down the road with the free agents and everything.
But absolutely, and it seems like from what we've seen
with this regime that that would be on the docket.
With Bill, I don't feel like there will be any
way that they're going to up him until you know,
last minute. But with Wolf, I mean, they certainly seem

(42:18):
to have the cap space and all that stuff to
be able to handle it handle a big contract like
that at that point, and who else is it going
to go to? So yeah, I think it's definitely something
to watch out for.

Speaker 9 (42:28):
Okay, Steven and Ireland A quick question, will we ever
see a Patriots Unfiltered Slash Cash twenty two crossover show
where Barth comes on? Love those shows for their different styles,
but just to see once a mashup of both of
you at the table.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
Also, Alex had on a Wednesday during the season we had.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
Barth come in.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
He did well.

Speaker 5 (42:49):
I remember Fred like waving Barth in. I think to
like talk about something.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
I think it was Kickers.

Speaker 9 (42:54):
I think I might also Alex name dropping Isaiah Rashad
last week as the great last great music to come
out was so on the money.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Kudos Alex, thank.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
You for that.

Speaker 5 (43:05):
Who's that?

Speaker 11 (43:06):
I don't know, I don't know You're very good hip
hop artists.

Speaker 9 (43:09):
Yeah, okay, Jeff in Canada. A couple off season conversation starters. One,
what is the best Patriots team from any era that
didn't advance to play in a Super.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
Bowl, AFC Championship lost in any era?

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Seventy six, seventy six?

Speaker 5 (43:28):
I mean, yeah, they were loaded.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
I don't know what did what did we actually asked
Steve Nelson that question?

Speaker 5 (43:34):
Did we not what was better?

Speaker 4 (43:35):
Who was better seventy six or seventy eight? And what
did he say? Did he say seventy eight was better?

Speaker 9 (43:40):
Don Brocher, the late great equipment manager here, he said
seventy eight was a better team.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Okay, So I would say seventy eight.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
Then, yeah, that was the rushing team, right, that was
the scene that said the rushing record over two thousand
rushing arts. Yeah, I would say I would.

Speaker 9 (43:56):
Say either of those teams, seventy six or seventy eight,
relatively speaking, a loaded team.

Speaker 6 (44:00):
Because I think the teams in recent and you know,
the recent past that fell short of the Super Bowl
probably got as far as they should have got. Like
I don't really remember them getting upset in a conference change,
like maybe the.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Baltimore Universe they would have that they had they.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
Were That team was overachieving like crazy, right, I'm just saying.

Speaker 8 (44:22):
I would say the twenty fifteen team, probably when Baltimore
won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
That's a twenty fifteen team. That's a good Edelman got hurt.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Was that the year that Manning was.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
They lost, And.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
That's a really good one. I think rock instead of
I think that's the answer.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Yeah, that team was a wagon until they people started
getting hurt.

Speaker 6 (44:43):
I would say the seventy six and seventy eight teams
were better than that personally, but in their era.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
One of them had Tom Brady fifteen teams.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
Like, I'm not comparing talent on teams. I'm comparing like that.
Fred said, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
The other one, I would say.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
So just like the seventy six team. This, you know,
and a good friend g.

Speaker 6 (45:04):
Matt Jerry told me to make sure you explain when
you do, like the little cart into the history way
back machine. Yeah, so seventy six, just let everybody know
the Oakland Raiders won the Super Bowl that year. They
lost one game all year, they went thirteen and one,
They went through the playoffs, they rolled to a super Bowl.
They really weren't tested. The one loss was a forty

(45:27):
eight to seventeen loss to the Patriots here in Foxborough
and the playoff, the one close playoff game was a
game that a lot of people think was stolen away
from the Patriots fan and wild card game. Yeah that
was rough in the passer Yeah, rough in the passer game.
So that tells you how good that Patriots team was
relative to the rest of the league. No one else
could play with Oakland. The Patriots pounded them once and

(45:50):
was We're up twenty one to ten in the fourth
quarter of the playoff game in Oakland and couldn't hold on.

Speaker 14 (45:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
That was part of my conversation with Steve Nelson. I
asked him if beating the Raiders in eighty five still
had some meaning after what had happened previously, and you know,
he said yes, And that's something I think that gets
lost now we're so used to free agency and teams
changing so much that he kept playing into you know,
ten plus twelve years because they had been with all

(46:16):
those guys like it just it felt like that was
a continuation all through the early eighties, that it was
kind of the same team, the same players. You know,
a couple guys would changed here and there, but he
still felt that in eighty five, like we're the same
team where we have all the pieces. We just they
think eighty one eighty two, those seasons they had winning records,
they just didn't make the playoffs. They were an okay team.

(46:36):
So I think that gets lost. But it's it's so
different watching those teams and looking at the teams around them.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
There was no turnover.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
It's pretty much the same who that's your team.

Speaker 6 (46:43):
And yeah, draft want to say in that era, you know,
so seventy eight was really good. They won eleven games.
Seventy nine I think they fell off a little bit
because that was the year that you know, Fairbanks had
gone ron Orheart took go over. Eighty I think they
won ten games, didn't make the playoffs. Eighty one they
fell apart. Yeah, they went two and fourteen in eighty one,
but then they recycled and went to the playoffs in

(47:04):
the strike year of eighty two. Ron Meyer, you know,
came in sort of built them up. Then he left
and Barry got them to the super Bowl in eighty five,
went to they won the division in eighty six, so
they would they did. I know, everybody just thinks that
always sucked in the eighties, but they did have some
good teams.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
They did.

Speaker 5 (47:21):
That defense was outstanding. I mean watching it now, I
have a whole new perspective on how good they were
across the board, and not only.

Speaker 9 (47:27):
What do you think was parcels here as a line
in eineteen eighty eighty and Nelson said, I think they
went ten and six that year and didn't make the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
Yeah, I mean Nelson that year he had been I
think seven years pro That was his first Pro Bowl.
I think he was fifth place in Defensive Player of
the Year voting. You know, he said Bill Parcells was
was the best coach. But that eighty five defense was stacked,
and they also had guys that just played great that
season two like Fred Marion came on and had so
many cut, clutch interceptions. I have such a new perspective

(47:56):
on it after kind of watching those games.

Speaker 9 (47:58):
It's a Jeff saying, sir, is the twenty ten team
that was fourteen and two.

Speaker 6 (48:03):
I was a good but that's a good addition. I
think that's another team that overachieved like crazy.

Speaker 8 (48:09):
I would say out of the dynasty teams, like six
twenty fifteen, would like qualify for that.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
Yeah, it's a good addition to it.

Speaker 8 (48:16):
They had they still had no business losing to the Jets,
like they killed the Jets in the regular season.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
Shouldn't have watched the Jets. I just didn't think they
were They weren't a fourteen and two team. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Yeah, I don't know if they would have won it all,
but they should not have lost the guests.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Second question, what is different right now?

Speaker 9 (48:31):
If Rabel was hired last January when he was available
after Bill and Robert parted ways, good question.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
We have varied now, it would be a very different
gone differently I think.

Speaker 5 (48:42):
I mean, I think this is kind of a pall thing,
but I don't think he would have run it back
with all the Patriot players probably.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (48:48):
I think that's that's the biggest thing, is how many
guys would have gotten rid of last.

Speaker 5 (48:51):
Year declined to resign.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Yeah, Yeah, I think I think that's a good one.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
You know, mre to tension a year early. I mean
that's a question maybe, but there's a lot of things
they did last year that I think he probably would
have come in and wanted to put his own stand.

Speaker 9 (49:08):
Yeah, Jeffrey says, I think for Vrabel, the male year
is the best thing ever because it removes the pressure
of being the guy who followed bets.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
So but we might have signed Derrick Henry so Deuce
miss that I didn't even think of that, and thank
you good email, Jeff Good.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
I think it was a shoke brought that point. I'm
sure I was talking to him about. I mean, unfortunately
for Mayo, he kind of became the buffer year and
there's no real comparisons now to Rabel and and Belichick.
He kind of has carte blanche.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Now that's true.

Speaker 8 (49:40):
I mean like they tried that with Cam though, and
then like you kind of you were trying to clear
the decks for Mac, but like it still felt like
Mac was the successor to Brady because and I wonder
if it ends up feeling that way with this will
be like the.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
Trivia thing they're like who coached in between?

Speaker 8 (49:55):
It will be if if, especially if it works well
to bring it to some other local Boston sports news.
You know, the Bruins hiring Marco Sturm now are just
like on this trend of every hire as a former
player who played for the team that hired them, and
so yeah, it was like the only one, right, but
the you know, the Celtics have Sam Cassel on the
staff who played for them, so like they it's they

(50:17):
have like every team now has a guy that has
a connection to to the team as a player. And
all three Bruins, Red Sox, Patriots, they all played in
the same era in Boston as well, you know, and
their respect team.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
So it's cool.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
It's so funny by talking about this with my hockey
buddies this weekend about just how different the public and
sports fans view football coaches who are geniuses and the
ones who make it work and hockey coaches who get
fired left and right. They're just kind of there for
a little while to see if they can motivate guys.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
But there's no you don't the way you hold up
you know, the.

Speaker 5 (50:55):
Like the greatest football coaches of all time, Vince Lombardi,
Like you don't look at Scotty Bowman and say like
he was a genius, like he was a great coach.
But there's not that pressure on football coaches where they've
got this secret playbook, they've got all the answers, and
I don't know where you guys, find Basketball falls in that,
but it's such a different perspective, Like how many teams
is Peter Laviolette my cousin Pete coached or you know,

(51:16):
Mike Sullivan's got another job, Like they just go from
place to place. Football, you get maybe two chances and
then that's it.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
You're out.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
It's weird.

Speaker 8 (51:23):
I would say basketball has it's it's fair share, like
Red Hour back off the triangle offense with Phil Jackson
pat Riley, Like those guys are.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
How smaller guys you do set up plays Hockey it's
their plays, and there's defenses and offenses, but it's so
much more fluid that you're more training guys to react
on the fly rather than get in position and go
to these exact spots. It's not like that.

Speaker 11 (51:46):
The more basketball evolves to the less that becomes.

Speaker 8 (51:49):
Yeah, I mean current coaches like Rick Carlisle now taking
the Pacers to the finals is like one of the
best coaching jobs I've seen in a long time in
the NBA, And that's pretty rare that you say that.
Don't really say that too often, but basketball too, you
have all the college coaches, you know, John Wooden and
coach k and you know, uh rupped from Kentucky and
like all like those guys like that's also a big

(52:11):
part of it in basketball too, because those guys coach
in college basketball for like twenty thirty years.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
Some of them stay at the same school. So it's baseball's.

Speaker 5 (52:20):
Weirsi too because you're kind of like part of the game,
but you have to you know, you're controlling the flow
a lot more in baseball, I would say than maybe
other sports. You're able to you know, it's it's you're
constantly chiming in with what are we doing in this situation?
What guy am I going to hit here? They're this matchup?

Speaker 8 (52:37):
You know.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
All reprimanded me the other day for talking baseball.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
Oh, it's a sport.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
He's a hall of reprimanded.

Speaker 9 (52:43):
I was talking about Brian Bao, Say I look good.
I said he was getting stronger as the night. When
I said, he's at his best when that fastball has
that late.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Paul's like, okay, I don't know. I don't one gets
to baseball.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
No, no, I wouldn't.

Speaker 6 (52:57):
I certainly wouldn't say that any pitcher for the Red
Sox is better when that fastball like that was the
part that made me last it's true.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
I'm an observer of sports.

Speaker 6 (53:08):
I would I would say that in general terms, coaches
all four sports are vastly overrated in their like tactical approach,
like the x's and o's not football, I think I
think it's I think they all run virtually the same stuff.
It's all about feel and when you're calling plays and
how you're exploiting mismatches and what I'm going to call

(53:28):
this play against this defense because I know it's gonna work.
Like they're all running the same place, like the same
kind of concepts. In general, I think that what separates
guys is their ability to connect and motivate and lead.
And that's why to Evan's point, like Mike Krzyzewski and
all these guys like, it's not because Mike Krzyzewski's running

(53:51):
a different offense than Rick Patino is running, right, No,
it's they all have their different philosophies and systems.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
College.

Speaker 9 (53:59):
It's the more success you have, the more obviously stability
you have, the more the school needs you to stay
because for recruiting.

Speaker 6 (54:07):
It builds on it, you know, it builds on itself,
it sustains itself. And I do think in basketball because
there are a fewer players, it's less important as.

Speaker 9 (54:16):
To what you see, Well, the player is the less
correct if you're if Lebron's on your team, right, you
have less of an impact than Rick Carlisle has because
Halli Burton is probably their best player, but he's not
really a superstar.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (54:27):
Well, I think that's the cool part about what's happening
in the NBA now is that it's really everybody's calling
it like the weak Link era, because like, really it's
like you need to have five really good guys and
it's not so much about it. It's not like a
Lebron dominating the league anymore. It's like which team has
the best one through five in the league, Like Oklahoma seven,

(54:48):
Oklahoma City is gonna win and there they have the
best starting lineup and really the best like top five
or six guys out of any team.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Now they also have the MVP of the league.

Speaker 8 (54:57):
But like SGA is not going to go down as
like a Lebron James, right, Like he's not going to
be like an all time great player. But you know,
the Celtics were kind of the same way last year,
where Tatum is their best player and it's arguable where
he ranks and the pantheon, so that it's a different
kind of era in basketball now.

Speaker 9 (55:15):
Tim our friend from Duncan writes in the Patriots seventy
sixteen is one of the greatest teams to not reach
a Super Bowl. I was at the forty eight seventeen
game the hated Raiders. The roughing, the passer call that
lost the playoff game was one of the worst in history.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
That game would have been over. That is why the
tuck rule was so satisfying to me.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
The funny thing is is you watch that play now,
that's a penalty all day, long time, right right back
in my seventies.

Speaker 6 (55:42):
But it probably wasn't a penalty in the seventies, right, Fred,
you hit him in the head?

Speaker 5 (55:47):
Yeah, you hit him in the head.

Speaker 9 (55:49):
Follow up from last show, Fred, you're thinking about bars
of soap is all wrong. The soap companies will never
change the shape or style because they don't care about
the little nub that you have to deal with at
the end of the bar. With how much you hate
that left over piece, you're still giving them your money
regularly they've won and you've lost. Unfortunately, Also, the rest

(56:09):
of the Guys that say they're using a loofah are
probably just using a bath scrub as Loofahs are actually plants.
They used to be used in its shower, but some
cultures eat them in soup, stews, et cetera.

Speaker 5 (56:20):
That's it's not really I just used plastic, not as
much as I should, but I actually I actually drown
it in soap every day. So I'm hoping that that
maybe helps kill things out.

Speaker 11 (56:36):
A lot of bacteria.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Well, no problems, Yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
I only use it for my my man bits and
you know.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Information you can't notice.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
You gotta you gotta save your soap. You can't wash
your hair that much.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
It's something I've discovered later in life.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
It's it's dries you out right.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
That's my problem, right, It dries you out.

Speaker 9 (56:58):
Soap, Uh Christ and Colfax. The subject line says, Paul
hates fun. I would love to see how long Paul
would hold out on hating Julian Edelman if you were
drafted to the team now exactly how he was out
of Kent State. Also, Will Campbell is one hundred percent
the guy Paul was thinking about swaying the coach staff
in an interview.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Well, I can see that.

Speaker 6 (57:21):
I'm you know, yeah, I'm not necessarily saying that. Actually
he has me confused with Fred and Mike, who were
both anti fun. You can't celebrate good plays, you can't
do anything fun. No, but the Edelman comparison is actually
a good one because the email is right. I was
very slow to come around on Edelman and Welker, and Welker,

(57:43):
but I would say, I will do it when you
give me reason to. But they're both right. I was
very late to the party on both guys because I
wanted to see it. Don't just tell me that this
guy's great, like sight Onseen Julian. Edelman's first training camp
was a disaster. He couldn't catch the ball in practice,
he was dropping punts, he was slipping all over the field.

(58:05):
Then all of a sudden, he goes out in a
preseason game and electrifies with a punt return for a touchdown.
You're like, h, maybe this guy's got something. Who you know,
And I don't sit there for the next seven years
and say he's not that good. No, that's part of
like sort of adjusting, admitting you're wrong, admitting this guy's
got a little bit more to his case and you know,

(58:26):
maybe learned something at the NFL level.

Speaker 5 (58:29):
Yeah, I mean in your defense too, how many of
those guys were billed as the next Welker or the
next Settlement or the next Troy Brown and your time here,
they're probably.

Speaker 6 (58:36):
I'm telling you that this is at least thirty long
three that did it. Sheky's another one.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
Everybody told me how graat he was, how Mike every
single told me, this guy is this, this guy's don'tbelievable.

Speaker 6 (58:53):
He's the next one, you know, Jeremy Eber, Jeremy Gallon,
TJ Mole like like this is that you fell in
love with from Miami. Jeff Thomas, Uh Thomas another one.

Speaker 8 (59:06):
But not in that mold Jeff Thomas was. But Brad
Barrios ended up having a pretty solid career. He has
had a pretty solid career.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
Stiff, so stiff. He's a borderline NFL player.

Speaker 10 (59:17):
No, everybody said, I feel like if he wasn't dating
Alex Always.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Still I'm not saying around the least.

Speaker 8 (59:26):
I'm not saying he's a Hall of Famer. But but
Bradson Barrios has carved out an NFL career like.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
It's not like some of these guys that I'm talking
about kicked around.

Speaker 6 (59:34):
Isn't like Austin another one he played for the Saints,
like you had an NFL career, I think they said.
But they all said they were Welker and Edelman, and
it's so disrespectful to Welker and Edelman, those guys with
special players, and none of these guys has even approached that.
But I'm telling you there's at least two dozen that

(59:55):
I could give you that that everybody told me we're
going to be.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
That Matt and for Worth Texas.

Speaker 9 (01:00:01):
Like so many other loyal listeners of PU, I look
forward to your show every week, and you guys truly
help me and so many other listeners get through their day.
That being said, I feel compelled by a sense of
duty and responsibility for every other PU listener to call
out our common enemy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Christian in la oh Man, please waiting now?

Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
I now I reach it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
You're in Hollywood, Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
You should know now. I recently left the Marine Corps
after seven years.

Speaker 9 (01:00:30):
And the only reason I bring that up is to
say I've been through many, many situations that are extremely
mentally and physically demanding, and none of it comes close
to the pain and suffering I endure whenever a Christian
in LA decides to pipe in and run his mouth.
Every single show, I ran the math on how big
of a problem this specific caller is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
In a year, there are about one hundred and twenty
PU episodes.

Speaker 9 (01:00:53):
Assuming Christian in La calls in and rambles for two
to four minutes an episode over the course of one
year is a time accumulates to four to eight and
a half hours per year.

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
Now, PU is it my show?

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I think that.

Speaker 9 (01:01:08):
That this egregious amount of time needs to be curtailed.
Christian in La. This is semi lighthearted. Please stop with
so many rambling, dumb questions and so.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
As in Rebuttal. I have Christian LA on the phone
right now. Christian, what say you?

Speaker 7 (01:01:25):
I say I should ramble and.

Speaker 16 (01:01:28):
Go on tangents because apparently there are people out there
in Patriots nations that do not like Patriot fan. I
am a Patriot fan and whover you are if you
don't like that? I think about my questions first as
to not waste the guys I'm at the babe, just
maybe have another.

Speaker 17 (01:01:48):
Angle on what our patriots are doing that you and
my friend should become a death band and be surest
to the losers.

Speaker 7 (01:01:56):
That's my rebuttal for that guy.

Speaker 17 (01:01:58):
Okay, now onto my daily ramble, keeping on, keeping on subject.
If you guys had to do a karaoke song like
pictured the Wind the Soup Bowl if he did, what
would each of your ghost songs be? And part B
of my rabling questions based on their personality we can

(01:02:22):
know about them? What karaoke song do you think, Bill, Tom,
Julie and Gronk with you? And yes, I'll take it
off there so I can listen to it. The rest
of the people hate on Christians.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
From la good okay, all right, and Christian's defense.

Speaker 8 (01:02:38):
He called into Cash twenty two and apologized to me yesterday,
oh for his Kendrick.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Bourne, who did he?

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
Have?

Speaker 5 (01:02:44):
You mistaken?

Speaker 18 (01:02:45):
It?

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Actually your doppelganger, Scott Zolac.

Speaker 8 (01:02:48):
So he said that it was Zoe, which didn't surprise
me because he called us we're at noon, and I
guess is from ten to noon he might have been
listening to Zoe and Beatle and her dad.

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
So he said it was so I respect that I
do not remember you waxing poetic about Kendrick Bourne. Yes,
and you guys know me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
I remember.

Speaker 9 (01:03:11):
One thing about Christian is he has the moniker of
the worst caller.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
And he owns it. He does, he loves he is
the worst call takes.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
It right, proves it right. Just kidding Christians.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
So what would be your go to karaoke song?

Speaker 11 (01:03:25):
Alex all Right? I got two?

Speaker 5 (01:03:28):
She's ready.

Speaker 10 (01:03:28):
I've won a couple of karaoke contests and Monday.

Speaker 5 (01:03:33):
I heard her sing the other day. She's a soprano.
It's she's a wonderful voice.

Speaker 11 (01:03:38):
I have a good karaoke voice.

Speaker 10 (01:03:40):
If I I wouldn't actually pursue singing because I would
be like the tryhard girl.

Speaker 11 (01:03:44):
But I think I I'm pretty good karaoke. My mom's
a good singer. I don't know musical household. I want
to dance with somebody, Whitney Houston. I won a Carrie
I know. I want a karaoke contest in New Orleans
at the cast.

Speaker 10 (01:03:56):
Me out with that song, A number two that's music
exactly why not?

Speaker 11 (01:04:03):
Sadly? Number two?

Speaker 10 (01:04:06):
Dirty Little Secret by the All American Rejects. It's pretty unexpected,
but it kind of like.

Speaker 11 (01:04:11):
People get riled up by it. I put a lot
of thought into this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
You've already in Nashville.

Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
We've done a couple.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Yeah, I mean I did bust a move in Nashville
for for the boys. That was it was.

Speaker 6 (01:04:23):
It might have been the fact that I had twenty
seven beers in me at the time, but yeah, I
thought you did.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
It well, it was actually for you, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
We haven't gotten into it yet.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
I used to do the Wanderer a little bit.

Speaker 19 (01:04:33):
I want to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
And I also did a.

Speaker 5 (01:04:38):
Big one at the at the at the Woodshed is
Amy Amy, Peer Prayer, Prairie League, what you want to do?
So those are the ones I've done before, but I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
I'd like to.

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
I'd like to do some Neil Diamond. I think I
could do Crackling Rosie.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
I could do that one, okay, Evan smash mouthed All Star.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
Would you play your sacks with it too?

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Or is that one.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Very easy?

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Like no, not a lot of range on it, you know,
and big sax and the verses are the verses are
basically rap.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
So it's like I've been singing a monotone song and
I just.

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
Have and I just haven't played whispers.

Speaker 8 (01:05:17):
So yeah, I have no vocal range whatsoever. I cannot
sing for my life, so I usually stick to some
sort of rap. But like you can't play some rap
is inappropriate, so you have to play, you know, friendly rap.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Yeah, the Kids Fall roller Coaster by Ohio Players.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
No, I can't. You guys know how bad I am.
You guys can't You got to have a go to
the only song I've ever done ane Fever and karaoke.
I told you it was like a virgin, like a
virgin college.

Speaker 6 (01:05:45):
I don't have a go to karaoke song because I
am legitimately one of the five worst singers in the
history of the world.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
To be honest with you, I can see that.

Speaker 11 (01:05:55):
Jackson five, I want you back.

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
Oh that's a great song.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
I think that's what I should do.

Speaker 11 (01:05:59):
You can take it from me. It was my honorable mention.

Speaker 5 (01:06:01):
I don't think you can hit those noseball Sorry, No,
that's Michael Jackson.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
I love to sing, I just I just can't do it.

Speaker 6 (01:06:07):
I had Beth very very concerned that I was going
to sing reasons at our wedding, and I think at
the like, I just kept saying it, knowing like you know, I.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
Don't know if you know the song like you talk
about range.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
And notes like you be talking to Kuba Stank right.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
Now, Like I could not.

Speaker 6 (01:06:23):
I could not have done it, but I think at
there was a point like I finally I said, no reasons,
but yeah, okay, it is I just can't, Like there's
no possible.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Way I would be able to sing that a different song.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
And I finally, like a week before, I was like,
you know that, I'm not really going to do that, right,
And she's like, oh, I didn't think you were going to.
But I was kind of getting worried.

Speaker 6 (01:06:43):
About it, like no, I can't sing at all ruin
the wedding, but I sang like a virgin at Teas
pub been.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
Like ninety maybe eighty eighty eight eighty nine.

Speaker 5 (01:06:54):
They still talk about it was that, like it was
it ironic?

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Like is that what you were going?

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
I was that was a little bit of a slow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Did it work?

Speaker 12 (01:07:02):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
It was a message?

Speaker 5 (01:07:05):
It was more like karaoke is a message to the
female population of Boston University.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
A few other drunk baseball players doing the same time.

Speaker 9 (01:07:13):
I was at a bit of I was at a
bar in the Cage and a friend of mine who
thought he wasn't good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Singer was up there and he did.

Speaker 9 (01:07:20):
Carry So I rolled up a cocktail nap and wet
it and you know, threw it at his head and
like you know, so he stops and yells at me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
The next thing, you know, the whole bar is throwing
stuff starting. But the thing is, he keeps singing.

Speaker 9 (01:07:36):
He's hiding behind this half wall, and every the whole
bar is just like the air is full of just
debris being thrown at him while he's time.

Speaker 6 (01:07:47):
Letter a few weeks ago about who would be the best,
the best, like backstory or.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
Ever. I was just like Fred Fred has done.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Oh I have karaoke.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
BA.

Speaker 9 (01:07:57):
When I got arrested in Dallas after I sang karaoke,
he broke all the windows.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
Did not know that one.

Speaker 11 (01:08:10):
What's your song? Fred?

Speaker 9 (01:08:11):
I would say it's either Mac the knife, Oh that's good,
or the way you look tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Great? Great?

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
So I could do I could probably try to do
a frank Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
I was going to say something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
I feel like that summer wind.

Speaker 11 (01:08:23):
That's a good key. That's an easy key for the
voice to sing.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
Yeah, yeah, I could do summer wind.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Could I could?

Speaker 5 (01:08:28):
I tell the mccallen's story real quick with great songs.
Just a quick story from Media DA yesterday. So they
play music for all the stuff that we do, and
guys come in and they want their different songs and stuff,
and you know, try to be accommodating and getting them
in the mood and stuff. And and so finally mac
collins comes in here the end of the day and
they're like, listen off all the stuff they've been playing
for his teammates, and he was like, oh, man, I
hear that stuff a practice all the time. Put on

(01:08:50):
some Frank Sinatra. So he's got like that first song.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:08:53):
It's a duet, let's say I love you, I forget.
I don't know what the title was. But then as
he was walking, I make sure you lead that on
for all the rookies too. So it's just kind of funny.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
He's a cool dude. I like, I like my car.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
I thought you shoes on, yea, he toal, I thought
you would do one of your Fred Zeppelins.

Speaker 9 (01:09:10):
Fred Zeppelin, Hey Mama, say the way you move gonna
make you sweat, gonna make.

Speaker 20 (01:09:15):
You love zepp Freepplin, Uh Sam and Charlotte speaking of
media Day, when did the helmets change color?

Speaker 9 (01:09:29):
It looked more gray than silver and Facebook. To me,
I think that's your face, just the same helmets.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
Just your Facebook.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
All right. You know what, It's time for a break
because your foods here. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:09:45):
A lot more emails, a lot more calls. I see
the call line filling up. We'll get to that right
after this. Whether you're in the game or betting on
the game, you'll need a game plan. DraftKings Sports Book,
the official sports betting partner of the New England Patriots,
provides you with everything you need to build your arsenal
betting game plan so you can get in on all
the action while practicing safe bets. Visit DraftKings dot com

(01:10:07):
slash Responsible dash Gaming to learn more about all the
safe betting tools DraftKings has to offer. Hope is here
eight hundred three two seven fifty to fifty or gambling
Helplinema dot org must be twenty one plus, play it
smart from the start game. Sincema dot com physically president Massachusetts,
see DraftKings dot com slash Responsible dash Gaming for details

(01:10:29):
and statespecific responsible gambling resources.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Isn't it time to get exactly what you want.

Speaker 21 (01:10:36):
Welcome to red Hot Deal Days from Verizon, where you
get your pick of our best deals, like my plan,
where you can pick the perks you want and save
on everyone for limited time. Bring your own phones to
a Verizon store and you can get my plan for
our best price ever. Get exactly what you want on
your phone plan and only pay for what you need.
Bring your phone to you or Verizon store to day

(01:10:57):
and get my plan. These deals won't last. It's your Verizon.

Speaker 22 (01:11:04):
With FedEx one rate, you can ship to your student
for a simple, predictable flat rate. Send a box full
of home baked treats that say your father and I
miss you, or send a box full of instant noodles
that says your father and I would like you to
stop asking us for money. Either way, one rate fits all.

(01:11:24):
FedEx one rate, two day shipping, one flat rate starting
at fourteen fifty is it FedEx dot com splash one
rate for details. Exclusions apply.

Speaker 18 (01:11:33):
I think you have to have a starting point, so
there's going to be a way to speak, a learning
of the language. We talked about that, you know, maybe
a couple months ago, and then really it's just going
to be about giving them some things to go out
and do on the practice field and then learning what
they do well, how much they can process what style

(01:11:57):
we should play, And I've always kind of believe that
the players.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Will dictate what that ends up being. We don't know
that today. I can tell you that right now, there's
a lot we still haven't done.

Speaker 18 (01:12:10):
For the first time, we're just getting into third now,
we haven't got into the red zone. I mean, there's
so many other situational things that we haven't even touched
on yet. So we're still in the learning phase of
our of our offense. Guys getting great opportunities to go
out and I feel like at this time of the year, Uh,
it's either a good play or we're gonna learn from it.

(01:12:31):
So there's a positive result either direction. And that's the
kind of mindset that we're taking. How long do you
take to Josh A long time? You know, we we
know when the games start. Look if if it could
be done by now, you know, we would snap our
fingers and have it be finished.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
But I would I would say that's been true.

Speaker 18 (01:12:52):
But for every season that I've ever been a part
of a team and an offense, it's just whether you're
coming back with a bunch of guys that are returning
and they kind of know it or you're not. There's
always a period of relearning and recommitting yourself to the
little things, the details that it takes to run a

(01:13:13):
good play, let alone a good you know, drive, or
a good practice or a good game. There's so many
little things that everybody needs to do. There's a trust
that's being built right now on the field. The more
we do well, the more guys can trust each other.
And uh, we're continuing to focus on those things and
emphasize the kind of identity that we want to create here.

Speaker 17 (01:13:34):
Hell eons has been different thing as you guys have thought,
how concerned you about that missed the time?

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
And what is he missing right now?

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
You just mentioned you know this is it's an important
time to kind of developed that together news.

Speaker 12 (01:13:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
I again, it's a voluntary part of the year.

Speaker 12 (01:13:50):
We know that.

Speaker 18 (01:13:52):
I don't I don't know if we've ever had perfect
attendance at these things in general. As a coach, selfishly
love you love it when they're all here because you
feel like you got them all in the classroom and
all on the field and all the rest of it. Uh,
he's here today, and we're excited to have an opportunity
to work with the guys that are out here and

(01:14:13):
available to us. So I know he's staying up on
the information and the material, and there's so many, so
many things and opportunities for us to teach all our
guys going forward between the rest of the practices here
in the spring and then going into the summer, and
and you know, the many days we have before we
actually kicked the ball off in September.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
So I'm not concerned about Steph in that regard.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Josh, how was a drake ack commanding to your system
thus far? And we'll spend sort of your biggest pitching
on the point with.

Speaker 16 (01:14:41):
Him in the spring.

Speaker 18 (01:14:42):
I mean, he's doing really well. He's very smart, works
really hard. I think the quarterback room in general is
really really good in terms of putting the time and
effort in at this point in time of the year,
you know, And and like I said, we either make
a good play or we learn from the result. And
so sometimes as a coach, and nobody wants to hear this,

(01:15:03):
but sometimes as a coach, the negative results can actually
be your best teachers because you have a play where
something didn't necessarily go your way or the right way,
and then you learn from it. And then the biggest
key for us as we go forward is when we
learn from a mistake, is can we go out there
the next day and not repeat the same error. And
so I think he's doing a really good job of

(01:15:26):
digesting the information, processing the corrections when there is a
correction to be made, and they go out there with
a great attitude, mindset the next day and excited.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
I'm excited for today. Say time time he's been repeating
any error? Not many, not many?

Speaker 18 (01:15:45):
Yeah, he's no, he's you know, he does a generally
he does a really good job of listening to it,
and then when you go out there the next time,
you know, and you see the same kind of look
or the same problem that the defense present to you
that was presented previously. Generally speaking, he's a quick study
on that. And that's a good thing for a young player.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
You've been on this in this league for twenty flast years.

Speaker 23 (01:16:10):
You know the expectations in May, June, July, August, when
teams and people Whitecott start saying, this guy's going to
have a great year, that's going to happen with Brake
because of the improvements you guys have made on.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
The field, in the sidelines, etc.

Speaker 23 (01:16:23):
And because he's a second year player, how do you
prepare him for what could be extremely lofty expectations that
people are going to expect a return with.

Speaker 18 (01:16:31):
I think if I know him very well, which I'm
learning more and more about him every single day, he's
going to place high expectations on himself.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
I know that for sure.

Speaker 18 (01:16:42):
We're certainly going to want to try to get the
best result out of our quarterback position every play that
we can, and I think that's all we can control.
We can't really control outside expectations. We're certainly going to
try to do the very best we can with our opportunities.
And I see a guy that has a great attitude
and mindset about coming out here and trying to be
the best version of himself that he can be. And

(01:17:04):
I know that that's what he can control. It's what
we can control as coaches, and hopefully we meet our expectations,
which will eventually meet yours.

Speaker 17 (01:17:12):
In terms of the offense overall, how have you films
about the unit's ability to learn for the mistakes and
continue to grow and how helpful has it been having
some veterans who've been in the system maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Helps some better invests.

Speaker 18 (01:17:20):
Yeah, I mean it's again, I think the mistakes are
are opportunities. That's how I look at him at this
time of the year. You know, if we make them now,
you hope that we learn from them, grow from them,
and then eventually don't make them when when they start
keeping score. So I think the veteran guys that have
had some experience in our system have have been very helpful.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
You know, they're working hard.

Speaker 18 (01:17:44):
They give some little bits of advice here and there
when when it's necessary or applicable. But everybody's going out
there trying to do the best they can with their opportunities.
Everybody's getting reps right now, which is the great part
about this year, about this time of the year, and
go out there and make some good plays and if
we make a mistake, we learn from it and you
get better.

Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
And now great moments in.

Speaker 5 (01:18:18):
History.

Speaker 9 (01:18:19):
That wasn't a trick play, by the way, that's a
that's a pass to your full back.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
It's a little bit of it, a little bit of it.

Speaker 5 (01:18:25):
Not a trick, of course, it is.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
It's a pass to a defensive player. No, just like
it's a past. Just like the Bills play. It's not
a trick play through the ball to the tight end,
but it was a tackle. It's a trick play.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Yes, this guy was in the game as a full
back and the.

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
Tight end, Dawkins was the tight end on that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
So if Devlin was, if it was Devil, would that
have been a trick He's a.

Speaker 5 (01:18:47):
Fullback, so is the land and Roberts.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
Okay, okay, so the so the Bills to play it
wasn't was it was a tight end.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
Yeah, that was a trick of.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
Course it was, of course, But that was that was
the guy playing out of position.

Speaker 5 (01:18:59):
That you're through Rob's place all the time as a
full back, and you don't think the guy in my
buffalo is the extra tackle all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
This is not a trick play. It's not a trick play.

Speaker 5 (01:19:08):
So no answer the question. The guy in buffalo is
not the extra tackle.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
They had too eligible tackles on that play. That was
a trick play.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
Of course.

Speaker 4 (01:19:15):
It was a trick play, just like this one was.

Speaker 5 (01:19:16):
Yes, this was your fullback.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
He's always eligible.

Speaker 5 (01:19:19):
Okay, So he has to wait a minute, he has
to report is eligible because of his number. What is
the definition of his number?

Speaker 4 (01:19:25):
What is the definition of a trick play to you?

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Yes, razzle dazzle, you know that type of thing.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
There have so many rules I can't eveners.

Speaker 5 (01:19:33):
That's another great moment from.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
I know I was right because Eric was on the
other side of the park.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
I'm on your side.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Landon roberts had been established as a full back.

Speaker 6 (01:19:50):
Was that the fullback is always always eligible, so was
the tight end? Yeah, so when a tackle is playing
tight end, he's.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
Always he's always out.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
I understand.

Speaker 4 (01:19:58):
But in this it was a argument or no, this
is the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
In this case, a.

Speaker 9 (01:20:03):
Landon Roberts had been established as a full back. If
you had scouted in the way.

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
In the extra tackle, was a tight end has established his.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
So maybe that's not trickery either.

Speaker 9 (01:20:12):
Okay, So if you said scouted the Patriots like, oh,
if the Landon robertson as a full back, they throwed
them they you know, that's not a trick once.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
It's not a trick once.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
Paul is right about that.

Speaker 8 (01:20:24):
But I agree with Fred because he was playing full
back regularly and it wasn't like a tricky formation or
anything like that it was. He leaked out in the flat,
nobody covered him because he was a linebacker playing full
back and he was wide open.

Speaker 6 (01:20:37):
My argument was that it's either a trick player or
it's not. There's no differentiation between like the tackle is
the third tackle, like like Nate Soldier, was that not
a trick play when he caught the touchdown and I Championship?

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
If if you say no, then I'm fine with saying
that that this is indeed.

Speaker 8 (01:20:53):
Them Sure I would say that that's more of a
trick play, but that was that's mostly because they're going unbalanced,
and like it's a formation like this was.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
This was a regular formation.

Speaker 5 (01:21:04):
I think it's kind of Tricky's three.

Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
That's what I think. There's similarity.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Also, was playing kind of the same position he usually plays.

Speaker 6 (01:21:12):
Right, doesn't usually play full back. He played like fifteen
plays a fullback.

Speaker 5 (01:21:16):
He threw it to him once.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
That's a lot fifteen plays.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
He played a lot of sort of tackles.

Speaker 6 (01:21:20):
But the third tackle with it, you don't think they
did it fifteen times last year with a third tackle?

Speaker 5 (01:21:25):
Yeah, tackle eligible right right.

Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
And they throw it to you once, but you're out
there a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Yeah, it's different.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Well, this is one of those times where we agree.

Speaker 8 (01:21:38):
I I would say that also a Landon Roberts uh
delivered one of the best quotes of all time for
any page. Yeah, but he was about to run through
my m effing face one time because I asked him
about playing full back and he did not like the
line of questioning.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
He did not like, he did not want to I'm
a linebacker. Don't ever refer to me as a fallback
at so.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
But I was like, bro, you're doing great at fullback.
He just kind of touchdown.

Speaker 4 (01:22:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:22:08):
Yeah, And I had a great.

Speaker 8 (01:22:09):
Relationship with him, but that I remember being in those
scrums where he was like my position out literally like
stopped calling me, like, don't ever refer to me as
the fullback.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
I was like, dude, you're kind of killing it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
They like, what do you mean? You got to touch
the ball?

Speaker 4 (01:22:22):
That's a good thing.

Speaker 6 (01:22:23):
Yeah, Funny I missed a lot not being in the
locker room when we started doing the pre and post games.

Speaker 4 (01:22:28):
I missed a lot of that.

Speaker 8 (01:22:29):
Just for the record, Landa. Roberts great guy. I'm not
I don't want to get the wrong He was great.
You know, he's from He went to Houston. He what
an unbelievable rundown. He gave us where to go in Houston.
Oh yeah, you know before that Super Bowl he was great, nice,
really nice guy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Marcus Jones does not his and Landa Roberson a tense guy.

Speaker 8 (01:22:49):
But Marcus Jones also like when you ask him, like
you ever think about playing receiver full time, He'll immediately
shut that down too.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
He's like, no, I'm a corner. Yeah, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Shut your mouth. I eight five five pass five hundred
is the hotline. Let's go to it. Dominiques in New York.
What's up, Dominique, y'all?

Speaker 15 (01:23:06):
How you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
All right?

Speaker 12 (01:23:08):
They're good, all right.

Speaker 19 (01:23:09):
First and foremost, there's a little bit of soap talk already.
I got to stay and recommend to anyone if you're
still using the loofer or body strip or whatever, make
sure it's silicone. It works perfectly.

Speaker 9 (01:23:19):
Well.

Speaker 19 (01:23:19):
I can't get so much in the soaf totate because
I'm like a body watch guy, so mesa man phenomenal
doctor Burner's phenomenal phenomenon in.

Speaker 15 (01:23:28):
That you know that's that?

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Okay silic?

Speaker 19 (01:23:31):
Yes, I gotta try, but you're just a quick question.
So but y'all, I know the NFL has a has
awards for obviously offensive player of the year, defensive player
of the Year. I think they have the Big Suckets
Awards for the pros as well. I know they do
it in college. Would you like to see other awards
similar to the Big Buckets awards, like applied to the
sensor backfield, running backs, wide receivers, et cetera, et cetera.

(01:23:55):
Or do you think that would like kind of make
it a little bit too crowded in terms of wards
giving out the of the year and then just the
last point, Alex is great. This raised my favorite album
for the squad, and I'll.

Speaker 9 (01:24:08):
Take it off, all right, thanks Domini. So expanding the
award categories in the pros so they added a.

Speaker 8 (01:24:14):
Protector of the Year award, but often single individual offensive
line award, which is I think more than enough.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Like I think if we do every position, it's getting
a little crazy.

Speaker 9 (01:24:23):
In college when they have like the Dick Buckis Award,
is there also like a committee and a dinner and
a way to make money off of that too.

Speaker 8 (01:24:31):
Yeah, And like there's like the Mackie Award for the
tight ends, right, the Billet and cop for the receivers and.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
Every position.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
Quarterback one. I forget what it's called.

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
Is it Doak Walker or one of those?

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
Maybe? Yeah, it might be probably not.

Speaker 5 (01:24:46):
I agree with Evan generally, I would say i'd be
opening like a Kicker award. I think that'd be kind
of fun.

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
Like Kicker, I think there are too many awards.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
Pull back.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
What would you pull back on?

Speaker 5 (01:24:55):
Offensive and Defensive Player.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
Of the Year. What would I eliminate in the NFL
come Back the Year?

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
Yeah, what are you coming back?

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
What are you coming back from?

Speaker 5 (01:25:03):
Well, that one's like war.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
I think.

Speaker 11 (01:25:07):
I can't say.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
I can't somebody went.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
Rocky if it's coming back round, right.

Speaker 8 (01:25:19):
The issue with that award is that it it some
people get nominated that are really most improved and not
necessarily comeback. So NBA has the most Improved Player Award,
which I think might be more what the NFL is
going for, But they just call it the Comeback Player
of the Year, and usually it's somebody coming off a
major injury as bounce back.

Speaker 5 (01:25:41):
Smith should have got an award came back complete football
and a mangled deform lower leg like that that almost died.

Speaker 8 (01:25:48):
Yeah, guys, I don't care for offensive and defensive Rookie
of the Year.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
There's one. To me, there's one Rookie of the Year.

Speaker 8 (01:25:57):
I like, like, I don't I don't under stand that
why we differentiate offense defense.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
It's like m v P. Right, there's not offensive m
VP and defensive MVP. There's just m v P. Yeah,
So like, I don't know why that award is split
into two.

Speaker 8 (01:26:10):
But I do like the offensive line award because they're
never going to win any of these things, So like
have award that just recognizes offensive line because they're never
winning Rookie of the Year.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
They're winning MVP.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
Because they're never going to be in line for any
of those awards, so give them an award.

Speaker 10 (01:26:25):
But I think you could also argue that it'd be
way more rare for a defensive player to win Defensive
Rookie of the Year if it's not separated.

Speaker 11 (01:26:33):
That's like it would just go defall to offensive.

Speaker 5 (01:26:36):
Yeah that's flashy, Yeah you're gonna get all right.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
No, see, I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
You can get a DePoy without leading.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Maybe like a corner if he has like a picks
and pick sixes.

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
Like I think a defensive player could have been the
Rookie of the Year.

Speaker 5 (01:26:53):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying you would have to agree,
like m VP would be hard to do.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
London is in Great Barrington. What's up London?

Speaker 24 (01:27:04):
He know, guys, Yeah, no, no fight, I mean today,
you know, I mean, it's too beautiful to be angry.

Speaker 19 (01:27:10):
So yeah, but I just wanted told you guys a
little bit about the wide.

Speaker 24 (01:27:14):
Receiver room, Like how do you guys see that shaken out?
You know, how many players do you think they're gonna carry?
Because I don't know Evan. I don't know if you
followed Pat stuff, but he's a really good follow Like
he just guys, I don't know if he's a.

Speaker 15 (01:27:25):
Conned theologist or what, but this guy really gets into
like the you know, the disp body mechanics of each
players at that. Yeah, just to shout out another guy
in the community, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
I wouldn't have gest that, you know, he would be
running but.

Speaker 15 (01:27:43):
But yeah, he said something about Shawn Boobie or whatever that. Yeah,
he played, but he's like better at leveraging going inside,
like on flats and stuff, you know, like he's like
a poor man's landry on the Browns or like Juju
Smith Schusta, if you will, But as one of the
how you see that shaking out? Like especially with like

(01:28:08):
he had Polk And what's the other guy that we.

Speaker 7 (01:28:12):
Just picked up, the free agent Holland Bill?

Speaker 15 (01:28:16):
He had Holland's on the starting off on the pub,
you know, and could I just wanted to wondering, how'd
you guys see that shaking out? Kendrick I'm Warris to
Kendrick Bourne. I think I think he would be good
because he had a great yield.

Speaker 7 (01:28:30):
How many is he goes? All right, just curious about
your opinions.

Speaker 15 (01:28:33):
On that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Okay, all right, thanks London and Great Barrington. I think
it's all on.

Speaker 9 (01:28:37):
Threw me off because I said, okay, his name is London,
but it's from Great Barrington, Rhode Island. But then he
came on and he had like a UK accent, so.

Speaker 11 (01:28:46):
Could be Great Barrington Mass to.

Speaker 4 (01:28:50):
Mass.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
How many great great parenton Mass but only one is great?
How do you feel the wide receiver room will shake out?
I think it starts with Health million dollars.

Speaker 5 (01:28:59):
Yeah, I starts with Health with Diggs because I think
that's a spot that if he starts on pup, they'll
have an extra spot to carry someone else.

Speaker 9 (01:29:07):
So you really have to look at like, how will
it look in November, because I think he'll keep these guys,
could start on pup that he mentioned.

Speaker 4 (01:29:14):
Yeah, that's definitely a possibility.

Speaker 11 (01:29:16):
Makes a decision a little easier for them, and.

Speaker 6 (01:29:18):
I feel come off as really disrespect The only thing
I really concerned myself with is Digs is if he
is good enough to be their best I don't care
who the other five are. If he's not, then they
have trouble. That room is not good enough.

Speaker 5 (01:29:34):
Yeah, I think I think there's always a there's a
place for Pop. I think there's definitely a place for
for Polk.

Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
I don't. I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:29:39):
I think he's trending towards being ready.

Speaker 4 (01:29:41):
I'm not sure that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
I think Kyle Williams is a lock.

Speaker 8 (01:29:47):
Yeah, Kyle Williams and Diggs are going to be on
the team. Whether Dig starts on Pop will find out.
But I think everything else is That's what I was
going to say.

Speaker 6 (01:29:56):
This is what I like about it is what we
talked about last week is let them compete and let
it be survival of the fittest, and if Booty is
better than Born, then he stays. If he's not, then
Bowen stays. Or if they're both better than Polk and Baker,
then those two stay. And like I can make an
argument for any of those players. And we talked a

(01:30:17):
little bit about Douglas and Chisholm last week. If Chisholm's
better than Douglas, keep Chisholm.

Speaker 5 (01:30:23):
Yeah. I'm a little disappointed in how we've seen limited
three practices, but just a little bit disappointing Jabon Baker.
I was hoping that maybe he'd turn a page and that,
you know, so he's still got some time, but it's
it's it's tough. They realized there's twelve guys in the room.
Six probably are going to stay. I think Mac Collins
is probably more of a lock than than some people think.

(01:30:43):
I think they have a specific purpose for him.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
Is it one of your guys, Paul? I think maybe
Gilardi said that he could be.

Speaker 6 (01:30:49):
I've had a couple of people tell me that they
have him as a surprise cut candidate. Mac Collins, I'd
be I'd be genuinely surprised, and I'm not making fun
of that. Well, that's the you don't say a surprise
cut is you know, John Giles, that's not a surprise cut.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
Right, But I would just be I'm aduced with Matt Collins.

Speaker 8 (01:31:10):
He might not be one of the five or six
best guys, but I think his leadership and his like
veteran experience is something that they genuinely surprised, right, so
they if it's close between like him and you know,
one of the draft picks from last year or something
like just having the veteran in the room and the
adult in the room by just I feel like that's

(01:31:31):
why he's here. He's kind of here, like no offense
to his skill set or anything, but he's kind of
here to to babysit a lot of these.

Speaker 6 (01:31:38):
So we'll see how it works out. We'll have a
chance to watch, you know, the entirety of training camp.
But just spitballing Diggs, Williams, Douglas Booty.

Speaker 5 (01:31:54):
That's the four.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
I would say, that's you know, that's Matt.

Speaker 6 (01:31:57):
Collins and has five chishm is six, So no room
for Baker Baker Born.

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
Yeah, we're all okay.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Now I know I'm going to go.

Speaker 5 (01:32:10):
I'll go down with a ship on Polk. I think
he's gonna make it. I think he'll I totally respect
the debate on that.

Speaker 6 (01:32:16):
Another thing that I've been hearing a lot, and I
heard this on my shows as I was driving home
last week. A lot of people they don't have room
for Polk on the roster. So I don't know if
this is coming from inside.

Speaker 4 (01:32:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:32:27):
People are just like throwing it out there because I
think it's easy to watch these Ota practices and Polk
isn't physically ready to play yet, so you put him
on the back burn and you say he's not going
to make it.

Speaker 4 (01:32:37):
That's not fair. He hasn't really practiced yet.

Speaker 6 (01:32:42):
But I there's too many people telling me that they
don't think Polk is a lock for the roster for
me not to think I don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:32:48):
He's a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
I don't know if he's a lock.

Speaker 5 (01:32:51):
I just my opinion. I think he's going to have
a good camp and he's going to make the team
and he's going to contribute.

Speaker 25 (01:32:55):
I look at it, well, I think if if like
I'd be, that's coming from it, that he has a
good camp, it makes these no no that Polk wasn't
a rabel guy last year, like usually your second round pick,
you give him a couple of years, and I think
those people are saying Rabel has no connection to him.

Speaker 4 (01:33:14):
Yeah, I think he'll make the team.

Speaker 6 (01:33:16):
Yeah, I'd be stunned if he's really I don't really
good he's going to make the team.

Speaker 11 (01:33:20):
And not only to that point you just made Fred.

Speaker 10 (01:33:22):
Not only does he have no connection to him, but
you can go back and see how he kind of
handled adversity in his rookie year and I mean left
a lot to be desired in my opinion.

Speaker 5 (01:33:31):
Yeah, I'm giving him a chance again. I I mean,
I look at it. What skill sets do these guys
bring to the team, And in a perfect world, I
think you want Jalen Polk's skill set on this team.
I think he's one of the bigger, stronger receivers that
they have. Now, again, he hadn't d Alex's point. He
didn't live up to that last year. We saw a
little bit of it in training camp. But I think
that's a great player to debate about. I mean, you

(01:33:52):
can say, I don't think. I'm not saying he's a lock.

Speaker 15 (01:33:54):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
You know, I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:33:55):
I don't other than the four guys you said, But
I do believe in his skill set, and I think
he has something to offer.

Speaker 9 (01:34:01):
This discreper Anthony from Cape Coral right said, player one
has thirty seven catches, four hundred and eighty one yards,
two touchdowns. The player is Nico Collins. Player two has
forty three catches, five hundred and eighty nine yards and
three touchdowns. The player is Kayshawn Bouody. My point for
this is all the people that want Booty gone, he

(01:34:22):
has shown progress. Why would we not let him continue competing.
It's possible he could continue to develop into a more
productive receiver.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
Not saying he's Nico Collins or what year with those
I don't know. It doesn't say.

Speaker 8 (01:34:34):
Nico Collins early on in his career at his slower burn.
But year two there's there's Dagus Mills quarterback. And there's
also different compare like the situations in the rooms were different,
Like kay Kasehon Boody had the opportunity, you know, right
out of the gate, whereas I don't think that was
the case for Nico Collins with Houston.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
You know, Nico Collins kind of had.

Speaker 8 (01:34:55):
To earn a role, whereas last year that's like you
look around in the wide receiver room and it's not
much competition, right, So, but I hear what he's saying
on like, I don't want to give up on Kijan
Booty either, But I don't necessarily look at Keisean Booty
and say, well, he's going to take another step and
all of a sudden he's going to be a thousand guy.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
This is kind of what he is.

Speaker 4 (01:35:15):
The more I see Booty, the more he grows on me.

Speaker 11 (01:35:18):
Yeah, he's I think he's really making the most of
OTA's right now.

Speaker 5 (01:35:21):
He Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:35:22):
I just don't.

Speaker 6 (01:35:25):
Collins thing to me falls flat. They're not They're not
similar in any way, like they're not really it's easy to.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
Pull the stats.

Speaker 5 (01:35:32):
I mean, and Nico Collins had that breakout game here, right,
was that in the preseason where all of a sudden
he just seemed like it was really starting to click
for him like that Maybe that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
Was just for me, but that's what we're going on.

Speaker 15 (01:35:40):
Like c J.

Speaker 6 (01:35:41):
Stroud came in and all of a sudden he became
a reson game. I wonder how that works. But Booty
had Drake May, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:35:48):
And Booty is the most of the Booty and and
Drake May I think have developed a pretty nice chemistry,
which is one thing that's in his favor, you know,
as a holdover from last year, and they have a
little bit of a rapport. He runs the routes, Drake
May likes to throw you know, out on the outside,
whether it's the go routes or the corners or things
like that, so they have a nice feel to their
game together. I'm not ready to give up on Keijh.

(01:36:09):
On Booty, I just would say five hundred and six
hundred yards is kind of where I think his career
is going to be. Like, I just don't necessarily think
that there's another step for him, but maybe there will be,
and I would keep him on the team as of now.
I just think, you know, with Jalen Polk, it's not
even health. I just there's just no precedent for having

(01:36:30):
the rookie season that he had and then being good.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
Well, let's put it this way.

Speaker 9 (01:36:34):
If if it's Digs and Kyle Williams and Booty has
five hundred six hundred yards, that's great.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 9 (01:36:42):
Right, let me know what Digs and Well, no, then
you're one and two and they have one and two
receiver numbers.

Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
So you think Williams and rookie Year is going to
be more than six hundred yards.

Speaker 5 (01:36:52):
Yeah, maybe, Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:36:54):
If it'll be that good, But like I always think
about it, like you know, with Booty, you know, can
he be Dante's stall Worth to you know the rest
of the group, like in the seven right where he's
really he's truly the third or fourth guy, but he's
out there and when he's open, he gets.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
The ball and he makes plays, makes them plays like that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:12):
That's how I view Booty, Gaffney Stalwart.

Speaker 5 (01:37:15):
Yeah, yeah, he might even be the better one.

Speaker 4 (01:37:19):
Those guys were good value.

Speaker 5 (01:37:21):
Yeah, Digson Williams. Digson Williams are the only two that
I think are one hundred percent absolute locks. And I
would hear other comments on any of the other receivers.
Doesn't mean I don't like Booty. I think I grew
with Paul. He's really came on in this cam. Like
Paul said, let him compete, Yeah, no, survive be injury
you don't see coming.

Speaker 11 (01:37:39):
Let him say, have any inclinations. What Polk's even dealing
with right now?

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
It's his shoulder and.

Speaker 5 (01:37:45):
He got in a little bit with a yellow pinion
into one of the team periods.

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
So I think he's trending towards being ready.

Speaker 8 (01:37:50):
Yeah, it's not even like I said, it's not the
injury like I think he'll be. He'll have his opportunity
to try to make the team and make.

Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
A push and and all that.

Speaker 8 (01:37:58):
I just, you know, just I've looked at the numbers
and like a guy that catches twelve passes.

Speaker 5 (01:38:03):
And a.

Speaker 9 (01:38:06):
Last year was an abject failure for him, but it
was there was something going on and maybe he can
turn it around.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
I'm not saying he can't.

Speaker 8 (01:38:13):
I'm just saying he would be an absolute anomaly to
go from the production he had last year to a
productive NFL player.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
And I don't know if they have the time, but
along those.

Speaker 5 (01:38:23):
Lines, like he's an absolute anomaly already for me, in
the production he had in camp to absolutely doing nothing.
So I don't know, it's just it's weird.

Speaker 6 (01:38:30):
I watched the Taekwon Thornton. Yeah, I watched the same
thing with Tyekwon Thornton when he was a rookie. He
he was very productive campressed with.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
So hard running, but he didn't catch a lot of
balls in camp.

Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
Yeah, caught everything thrown his way.

Speaker 6 (01:38:46):
He didn't catch the four yard passes that Polpe did,
but he went down the field and car I wasn't.

Speaker 11 (01:38:50):
Impressed that taekwon to It's like a thing of physics, like,
how can you be that skinny?

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:38:55):
No, no, I'm just telling you. As a rookie in
training camp, he looked a part.

Speaker 6 (01:38:59):
I did not call him a bust based on his
rookie year, and I just I wasn't overly impressed with
Pop's training camp. Last year was another one that I was,
you know, off in the ether, the old guy yelling
into the you know, the.

Speaker 4 (01:39:13):
Wilderness that no one was listening to.

Speaker 6 (01:39:15):
I would agree with Evan. I'm not telling I don't
predict the future. I can't tell you what's going to happen.
I'm just telling you based on what I've seen, I
don't see the ability. That's why i'd be surprised if
he was overly productive. I don't see like, not to
go all analytic, I don't see a plus skill set.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
What is it?

Speaker 4 (01:39:32):
What is it that he does?

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
Really?

Speaker 4 (01:39:33):
What It's like the Red Sox right now? What did
a Red Sox do well?

Speaker 12 (01:39:36):
Nothing?

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
They do nothing? But what.

Speaker 6 (01:39:41):
I thought he was gonna be sort of like a
physical possession kind of receiver. He started dropping the ball
all the time, so I'm not even sure he does
that well. I don't think he runs away from people.
I don't think he runs great routes, and I don't
think he has a great attitude. So I'd be very,
very surprised if he turns out to be a productive player.

Speaker 8 (01:39:58):
The separation stuff in college was the big question if
he was gonna his success or failure was going to
hang on whether he could get open at this level,
you know, with his speed and with his athleticism, and
that that piece of it didn't necessarily translate. So now
everything is finishing through contact at the catch point, right,
He's going to be in crowds, he's going to have

(01:40:18):
coverage on him, and can that skill set translate the
hands and the play strength at the catchpoint, And when
it didn't as a rookie, like to Paul's point, that
was just worrisome. So if that's not going to be
his calling card is the strong hands and the ability
to box guys out and things like that, and he's
not going to separate, you know, then how is he
going to be ultra productive in the NFL. I'm not

(01:40:39):
trying like I'm not trying to bury the guy.

Speaker 4 (01:40:41):
But I just.

Speaker 5 (01:40:43):
Right. But last year they said to themselves that they're
thrusting him into being like the guy, and he couldn't
handle it, so it mentally fell apart. I think Fred's thing.
If Diggs and Williams are productive, you don't have to
worry about him running away from guys. He can work underneath.
I like him in a call implementary role more than
I like Booie.

Speaker 6 (01:41:02):
I would I would worry about his mentality if he
was that. I think he thinks he's much better than that.
I worry about him, But.

Speaker 5 (01:41:09):
I also think you're basing that. I think you're basing
that on him, saying I think I have the best
hands in the NFL, and and that you catch a
rookie in a bad moment, trying to stay confident, and
I believe in myself and I can do what I
want and you want, and you can take that as that,
or you can take it out. This guy's head's in
the clouds and he has no idea what he's doing.
I took it that now, this is a rookie kid

(01:41:30):
who's not who isn't quite polished. He's having tough times
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
And he misspoke a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:41:35):
I'm not holding that against Parabot.

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
Was like a one time thing that he misspoke a
little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:41:40):
I think he had had his feet down, he said
I I never even put on a game uniform. He
told the media that he didn't need the fans with
them because they're not with them. If you're not with them,
we don't need you, Like he rubbed me the wrong
way before.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
Before.

Speaker 10 (01:41:53):
The first thing for me was when he undermined the
head coach. When the head coach was trying to smooth
over take the pressure off him. There was some undermined
mayo and it's like your coach is trying to keep
you a foot here with the media.

Speaker 11 (01:42:07):
Just go along with it, don't.

Speaker 6 (01:42:09):
And I also want to be fair because there are
things that worry me about Booty in that regard too.

Speaker 4 (01:42:14):
And he had another one.

Speaker 6 (01:42:16):
That I thought showed a lack of sort of awareness
last week in the aftermath of the Digs thing. I
think he spoke that day and he told us all, yeah,
Diggs hasn't been around much. I don't think that he
should have said that, like something I just I worry
a little bit about the mentality.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:42:37):
The reason I'm okay with Booty it is because I
think he's produced. Yea, so he might not always talk
the way I think that the maybe it's I've been
ingrained and listening to Patriots talk over the years. Well,
Polk has sort of put his foot in his mouth
a few times, and he hasn't produced. You know, he
insisted that he caught the ball in San Francisco, he didn't.

(01:42:58):
He insisted that he caught the touchdown in my against Miami,
he didn't. I think Alex brings up a great point
about Gerard sort of saying, you know, you're kind of
like mentally he's fighting it a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:43:09):
No, not like I don't. I don't have mental problems.
Like there were a lot of examples.

Speaker 6 (01:43:14):
Of him showing the lack of awareness and maturity last year,
not just the one time where where he claims he
had the best hands in the league.

Speaker 10 (01:43:22):
And it goes back to you, this is part of
why mac collins is here this year. Like, maybe with
better leadership, none of these issues maturity.

Speaker 8 (01:43:29):
But I don't think that you know that none of
the reasons why I am concerned about Polka's foot, Paul
is necessarily saying, I just we knew coming into the
league that he wasn't going to be a great separator.
And if his hands are not what's carrying him and
his play strength and his physicality is and what carrying.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
Him, then what's carrying him?

Speaker 12 (01:43:48):
Right?

Speaker 8 (01:43:48):
And like that, that would any player that you have
to have a carrying trade, like what's the one thing
that you do better than everybody else that makes you
can hang your hat on and say that this is
how I'm going to succeed in the league. And if
that comes back around, if he goes back to playing
the way he was at Washington in terms of the
physicality and the hands and all that good stuff, then
he could definitely start to come on.

Speaker 3 (01:44:11):
I just I haven't seen that yet as well.

Speaker 6 (01:44:13):
Yeah, and just to be clear, the other stuff that
worries me is in the scenario that Mike sort of unfolded,
if all these guys come in at the top and
they push him down, I don't know if he's a
guy that would, like Matt Collins, is perfectly content to
go out there and catch the one target he gets
a game. Yeah, I'm not sure. Polk fits that kind

(01:44:36):
of mold. I think he thinks he's more than that,
and I would worry about him. If he's the fourth
or fifth receiver and you're not asking him to do much,
does he go in the tank?

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:44:45):
Well it's interesting because when the off field stuff, would
he learned humility.

Speaker 8 (01:44:48):
Because he was he was in a crowded room at Washington.
So that's like what makes it interesting, Like he clearly
was not the number one at Washington, like real Madoonese
was the number one.

Speaker 6 (01:44:58):
And Jalen McMillan was the number two into we got hurt, right,
Otherwise we wouldn't even be talking about.

Speaker 8 (01:45:02):
Yeah, So I find that part interesting because he has
been sort of not necessarily complimentary, is probably a little strong,
but he has been part of a group instead of
just being the guy like a lot of guys like Jalen,
you're at a different something, if you're at a different school,
then Jalen Polk is the number one receiver in college,
but he wasn't, so I don't know a bad school.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
I'd be curious.

Speaker 5 (01:45:25):
I'd be curious what Josh thinks of him as a
player and how Josh thinks he could use him. But
I think an element we're not talking about is the
fact that they had a terrible offense last year with
not great coaching as well. So you know, those weren't
the guys to pull him out of a funk, and
clearly they pushed the wrong buttons to get him.

Speaker 9 (01:45:40):
Let's go back to what Elliott Wolfe said at the
end of the season. You know, we were counting on it,
and he was talking about the coaching.

Speaker 5 (01:45:48):
No and he's primably sample and everything Paul said is right,
Like I mean, you know, you can read into it.
I think I air sometimes more on the side of
these are young kids all of a sudden thrust in
the spotlight, and they're trying to project confidence in themselves
and their team, and you know, we were doing this
together and they have that mindset, and it comes across poorly.
Sometimes rookies are best seen and not heard less is more,

(01:46:11):
those things are always going to be true for the rookies.
So it's it's a fascinating player. I mean, I think
it's really fun to watch him this year because he
did catch a lot of balls last summer. Does he
not do it again or does he Let's go to.

Speaker 2 (01:46:20):
Dave in Toronto. What's up, Dave? Wendy up there?

Speaker 5 (01:46:23):
Huh No, you're on top of the ctower fining go
on the road.

Speaker 15 (01:46:28):
That might be it.

Speaker 26 (01:46:29):
Okay, I've been listening for seventeen eighteen years, half of
my life.

Speaker 12 (01:46:34):
I'm thirty four years old.

Speaker 26 (01:46:35):
It's a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
First time, Wow, where you been?

Speaker 7 (01:46:40):
I couldn't get through for.

Speaker 12 (01:46:41):
The first couple of times I tried, and I figured.

Speaker 16 (01:46:43):
Listening is just easier afterwards.

Speaker 26 (01:46:44):
Okay, A couple of questions for you guys, Evan. Do
you guys have access to the tracking data for the
college receivers. Is that something you guys you know see
before pre draft in terms of you know, speed and
and you know how fast you're going on the field,
or is that just NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:47:03):
Teams some of it?

Speaker 8 (01:47:05):
Yeah, you know, some of it trickles out through different
resources and things like that. But not like a database
where I could pull up any player anytime.

Speaker 24 (01:47:13):
No.

Speaker 26 (01:47:14):
Yeah, it's not something that's publicly available data. But that
is something that is out there in the ether somewhere right.

Speaker 8 (01:47:22):
Yes, yes, that's true. This is like real analytics or
Zebra or whatever.

Speaker 27 (01:47:28):
Yeah, m okay, I'm just like backing up you know,
you see the speed times, but then you see the
real field of speed times that sometimes there's a big
discrepency between those two things. And then I have another
question about the defense if you don't mind, and what
Babel wants to do. I think is really standing a

(01:47:49):
lot of pressure, especially down to the middle through Million
Williams and that middle of the middle of the field
or the middle of the defensive line.

Speaker 26 (01:47:57):
Does that mean that ends are going to be pulled
back a little from really getting after the quarterback? Just
kind of secure those ends?

Speaker 27 (01:48:04):
Are all four of those guys really getting after that
quarterback and that linebackers left to kind.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
Of clean up with me?

Speaker 3 (01:48:09):
B Yeah, second one for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
Yeah, thanks Dave.

Speaker 8 (01:48:13):
Yeah, I think all the defensive linemen they're going to
be four down and they're gonna be attacking. They played
a lot of like you know, unbalanced lines where they
had like three guys on one side of the center
and then just one guy on the arm side of
the quarterback. And they're running games and stunts and things
like that, and they like to get after.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
It to get creative.

Speaker 5 (01:48:30):
But I still think it's going to be a totally
total departure from what we're kind of used to, especially
on early downs where it's stop the run on the
way to the quarterback, get off the snap.

Speaker 9 (01:48:39):
Well, I'm excited because with Carlton Davis and Gonzalez, how
that opens things up other people.

Speaker 3 (01:48:45):
Yeah, the four down stuff's exciting.

Speaker 8 (01:48:46):
Like we haven't really experienced the defense that plays four down,
defensive line and hand in the dirt, teeing off like
that's not really a Bill thing, So we haven't really
seen that in a while around here.

Speaker 5 (01:48:57):
I think the part of that is going to be
there'll probably be some big plays and they're going to
be from time to time they're gonna get gash, they're
going in the sky ahead, Yeah, and they'll be there'll
be seams that they get exploited. But I think you'll hope.
The hope is you make more place than you give up.

Speaker 2 (01:49:10):
Chris is in England.

Speaker 12 (01:49:11):
Hey, Chris, good afternoon, good evening.

Speaker 2 (01:49:16):
Good afternoon, good evening.

Speaker 12 (01:49:17):
Yes Da from Toronto stelled my thunder because it's been
fifteen years. They'll be listening and it's the first time
I've called I think seventeen. First of all, just wanted
to say love the show as obviously listening for fifteen years.
You should to enjoy listening to it. Fortune in Foxborough

(01:49:38):
was great, thank you, although everybody, I think it will
be pulled a bit dirty when he had his part
and didn't nobody spot the wild hair that was floating
off the top of them at the point.

Speaker 4 (01:49:50):
Yeah, yeah, is what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
A straight here.

Speaker 12 (01:49:56):
I just wanted to talk about walk on music.

Speaker 7 (01:49:58):
If my name?

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
What's that?

Speaker 12 (01:50:03):
I wanted to talk about walk on music?

Speaker 2 (01:50:05):
Walk on music?

Speaker 12 (01:50:07):
Yeah, you were talking last week about walk on music,
so I thought I would tell you what my English
football team, Tottenham Hots there recent European champions, come out to.
And I also have another song which I think will
make you quite a music Ford. So we come out
to Duel of Fates and Star Wars.

Speaker 5 (01:50:26):
Okay, that's like.

Speaker 12 (01:50:33):
The other song that we have that is sometimes played
on the PA but also just sometimes the fan sing
it is from your good friend Barry Manilo mhm me
and the idea.

Speaker 5 (01:50:45):
Of what it might be pop. You just saw him
perform live. Now what'd he come out to?

Speaker 12 (01:50:53):
So I'm going to have to sing it because we
have that. We've sort of interjected with the chart of Tottenham,
so it's you know, small.

Speaker 7 (01:51:08):
Fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:51:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:51:10):
So when you sing it, do you have your arm
on each other's shoulders and you go back and forth
a big single yeah along the scarfs yep, the scarfs yep,
and then you beat the crap out of No. I
like it.

Speaker 12 (01:51:23):
I like it, but also the last one doesn't get
many shouts out, but I'd like to congratulate him. A
couple of weeks ago you had an irishman and I
don't think he was talking much then, and Mac, assuming
Matt is the person doing it, he cleverly put on
thanks for nothing from Caddy shot.

Speaker 9 (01:51:44):
Maybe chuckle everybody, Thanks Chris, Thanks listening for fifteen years.

Speaker 8 (01:51:49):
Absolutely a couple of years for Tottenham recently, not exactly
at the top of the.

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
Taste that scouts team.

Speaker 4 (01:51:55):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
His was Chelsea, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:57):
It's a wagoner I've ever seen one I remember.

Speaker 2 (01:51:59):
Just tell about the Bundesliga. I'm like, what is that?
The German leg That's not That's why we were for
Bayern Munchin although they didn't win last year.

Speaker 3 (01:52:10):
Was it a Burusha Doorman one?

Speaker 2 (01:52:11):
I think so? Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:52:15):
Bill Wright saying if you could go back and watch
one game live for the first time, which is it one?
The Patriots Squished the Fish Game eighty six, Conference Finals,
the Celtics bird steals the ball versus Detroit. The Bruins
come back versus Toronto down three goals in Game seven
twenty thirteen, the Red Sox Game four versus Yankees to

(01:52:35):
start the comeback, or BC Flutie Hail Mary versus Miami.

Speaker 4 (01:52:40):
Definitely the Bruins.

Speaker 11 (01:52:43):
That Bruins game was unbelievable.

Speaker 8 (01:52:44):
I'll never forget, Like, I feel like i'd want to
go back to like squish the Fishers on.

Speaker 10 (01:52:48):
But do you remember watching that live? Like, yeah, into
the late hour. Oh god, I got to break curfew
that night.

Speaker 5 (01:52:55):
Mine would be bird Steal Detroit.

Speaker 3 (01:52:59):
It's a good one.

Speaker 6 (01:53:00):
She was just to make me feel so bad about
myself that you had to break curfew to watch.

Speaker 11 (01:53:05):
I was in high school. Yeah, I was eighteen.

Speaker 4 (01:53:08):
I was in Washington, d C. I actually didn't see
it live.

Speaker 5 (01:53:11):
Thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
Yeah I watched that one.

Speaker 8 (01:53:13):
Yeah, I definitely saw that one live. But I've seen
that one so like I would want to go back
to the games.

Speaker 4 (01:53:17):
No, But I mean I get what your point. I'm
going to go to something.

Speaker 6 (01:53:21):
I'm going to lean to it something I hadn't seen,
but he was saying, if you had a chance to
watch it, as if you had never seen it, I
live it as if you've.

Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
But also like the tough part about that one is
I know they don't go on to win the Cup.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
So it's just like that was bitter.

Speaker 5 (01:53:34):
Yeah, like if you would enjoy the moment, well, it's
it's a spoiler, like they didn't win the Super Bowl
in eighty five either.

Speaker 10 (01:53:39):
The eleven run where they had a game was it
also against forget Who, but it went into like it
felt like seven overtimes.

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
They've had in the Cup Final.

Speaker 8 (01:53:49):
They've had quite a few games run the multiple, So
thirteen against the Blackhawks, they had a free overtime game.

Speaker 11 (01:53:56):
It was more than that the one I'm thinking of, I.

Speaker 3 (01:53:58):
Think the Blackhawks it was three.

Speaker 6 (01:54:00):
I think they had a triple overtime game in the
ninety finals against Edmonton.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
Peter Kleima, Peter Klema.

Speaker 4 (01:54:08):
Yeah, lights and the end of the was not the
lights out wasn't the lights out game? No, the lights
out game was eighty eight.

Speaker 5 (01:54:14):
Oh that was two days.

Speaker 9 (01:54:15):
Okay before h Dan and Virginia Michigan, while surprised this
is for Evan. While surprising your bride with a musical
performance would generally be a good thing, I would encourage
Evan to crunch the numbers on this one. If Jess
associates his saxophone with one of his former girlfriends, she
might regard Evan breaking out of sacks at the wedding
as if he thought along, as if he brought along

(01:54:39):
the old girlfriend.

Speaker 5 (01:54:40):
No, no, he's writing, he's writing wrong.

Speaker 8 (01:54:42):
Just for the record, was not an old girlfriend I
wish was an old your girlfriend?

Speaker 4 (01:54:48):
Doubling down that girl?

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
But amazing because I think what the sacks? Maybe probably
I said she was she was out of my leaks.
It was Jess, But like you know that one I
got lucky dated drummers. Yeah, maybe that was what it was.

Speaker 9 (01:55:04):
Speaking of Evan's dating life, I suggested on X that
Paul and Deuce should have a movie date with Evan
to go see Jaws at fifty, the definitive inside story.
Then I remember that movies actually aren't the best dates
because you can't talk to one another. So, as an
off season conversation topic, what are your ideas for a
good date or what's the best date you've been on?

Speaker 8 (01:55:25):
That's a bad take movies are a great date great
like not like if it's like a first date, but
like if you if you're great date.

Speaker 5 (01:55:33):
First date, coffee, get coffee and talk first.

Speaker 6 (01:55:35):
Date, I think, yeah, something very low key, low pressure,
like not a full dinner. Yeah, just to sort of
get to talk and get to know each.

Speaker 5 (01:55:43):
Trying to myself. Like one time in life before texting
and stuff, I like walked up to a girl that
I kind of had been talking to and just asked
her out on it, like you want to go out
on a date, And she was not that excited.

Speaker 4 (01:55:53):
About I have to set before yet this is a
different girl.

Speaker 5 (01:55:56):
This is post that was post girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
This is a you know, trying to But then that's
what we did. We just had coffee.

Speaker 5 (01:56:03):
We didn't hit it off, it didn't it didn't go anywhere,
but I was proudly at least one time in my
life I walked up to a girl in person and
was like, would you like to go out on a
date with me? You know, I think it's hard to do.
I think young guys are terrified.

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
I think we need to get out of they don't
perspect it, they don't do it.

Speaker 5 (01:56:16):
No, And now it's all easy because you just text
and you're like, you know, like you don't have to
ever have thesee they haven't been on an actual date
a long time.

Speaker 10 (01:56:24):
Like I like a sports game honestly because you can,
like if the conversation dies off, you can watch the
game and tiland.

Speaker 5 (01:56:32):
For a golf date.

Speaker 3 (01:56:33):
Oh yeah, golfs like but then you're stuck.

Speaker 11 (01:56:35):
I'm a whustler for like, I'm a hustler golf.

Speaker 4 (01:56:39):
It's like I've got made fun of for saying miniature
golf is a great.

Speaker 5 (01:56:42):
That's a great.

Speaker 4 (01:56:44):
People have made fun of me. That's good. I used
to do that from time.

Speaker 2 (01:56:47):
So when you did it, did you try to win?

Speaker 21 (01:56:50):
No?

Speaker 11 (01:56:50):
You just have it's not too long too. You get
an ice cream cone after the.

Speaker 4 (01:56:56):
One for French Richardson's down.

Speaker 10 (01:56:58):
I used to be like, Okay, if you're you're not
taking me out to dinner on the first date, you're
scrub and you're not trying hard enough. But then I
realized my time is way too valuable to be locked
into a dinner date.

Speaker 4 (01:57:08):
That why would do the dinner followed by the miniature
golf a lot?

Speaker 11 (01:57:12):
If it goes well, you say, hey, let's scrub dinner
and if not see.

Speaker 5 (01:57:16):
I think minister is great for a little flirty back
and forth like oh you got this one?

Speaker 2 (01:57:19):
I don't know, you know, like.

Speaker 3 (01:57:20):
It's a lot then there is.

Speaker 4 (01:57:28):
You really are something else. It's supposed to keep us
out of trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:57:31):
Well, there's like a lot of.

Speaker 9 (01:57:33):
Stuff going on with miniature golf. There's holes, there's putters,
you know, there's.

Speaker 5 (01:57:36):
All kinds of What was the argument for people saying
that miniature golf is a bad date because I think
that's an excellent first.

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
Day, you know what they say, stupid, I agree, but
a good first date.

Speaker 4 (01:57:46):
Yeah, I'm glad.

Speaker 3 (01:57:48):
Because it's like an activity.

Speaker 2 (01:57:50):
What about taking her to a sporting event?

Speaker 4 (01:57:54):
That's what I said, Thanks for listening.

Speaker 10 (01:57:55):
And then I get to be like, hey, I'm cool,
I actually know stuff about the sports.

Speaker 8 (01:57:59):
Well, I feel like an activity, like you know, it's
probably best because like if you can't, like the conversation
dies down and sitting across the table from her, like
then what are you what next?

Speaker 3 (01:58:09):
Right now?

Speaker 8 (01:58:09):
So if you're mini golfing or something like that, then
that occupies some of the time and maybe gets some
of the awkwardness out.

Speaker 3 (01:58:15):
You know, Okay, this is my bar should listen to
this part of this.

Speaker 4 (01:58:21):
Travis was the kids thing to do, like, you know,
adults don't do that, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:58:26):
I think that was kind of like the pushback and
it wasn't a lot but what But I had mentioned
it a couple of times and I was like, minute
golf the wrong So now I was like, why.

Speaker 11 (01:58:36):
Would you want to be with someone take them?

Speaker 2 (01:58:37):
Tis that?

Speaker 11 (01:58:38):
Seriously?

Speaker 6 (01:58:40):
I never had a girl say like, no, I'm not
doing that, even like like my college girlfriend was like
the least athletic general Nina. Sorry, not all Italian girls
are the same. And she loved it, like you used
to go minute a golfing all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:58:57):
She loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
I used to go with old very at the end,
what could be better?

Speaker 4 (01:59:02):
We could be?

Speaker 9 (01:59:04):
Afterwards, chrissed, I love it this those days, Travis in
West Virginia, as I want to do, I'm asking a
non football question today since Alex is there, I figured
I get a more balanced answer. A co worker of
mine and for me that she has four best friends.
I told her that wasn't possible. You can only have
one best friend.

Speaker 2 (01:59:23):
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (01:59:26):
Girls do this a lot?

Speaker 11 (01:59:27):
Girls do this I'm guilty. I'm so guilty.

Speaker 9 (01:59:29):
Actually, freshman year of college, everybody becomes the best friend
by November.

Speaker 2 (01:59:33):
They hate each other.

Speaker 10 (01:59:34):
Well, I have Morgan, we've known each other since first grade,
and it's college together, my best friend. But then you
have like your work bestie, your adult bestie, your college bestie,
Like I don't know, I have, I have a like
I have a group of four and the four of
us are super tight. They're my four besties, including Morgan, Morgan,

(01:59:56):
and then but then, like I was with all my
high school friends this past weekend and like, we've all
known each other twenty years. We were talking about this
and it's crazy and we're all still pretty tight too.

Speaker 2 (02:00:08):
I gotta get this out quick.

Speaker 5 (02:00:10):
We're out of time. But I have such a ran
on this. I hate when people are like, I want
my wife to be my best friend. I'm like, you can't.
Your spouse can't be your best friend. Your best friend
needs to be somebody different than your spouse. Your spouse
is your spouse.

Speaker 4 (02:00:19):
It's another window into the deuce.

Speaker 5 (02:00:20):
I got, I got Passionate knows my feelings on this.

Speaker 2 (02:00:24):
Your spouse, you're not your best friend. You have to
have a best friend and a spouse.

Speaker 5 (02:00:28):
Your spouse is your spouse. That's even more special than
a best friend, So don't try to like combine them
into two.

Speaker 4 (02:00:31):
You need a best friend too, Okay, on that note,
it's a complicated I like the.

Speaker 11 (02:00:37):
Movie I Love You Man where paul R. Have you
guys seen it? Paula doesn't have a best that's the
best one, though, do.

Speaker 2 (02:00:45):
Your stupid bat's rough wice like?

Speaker 5 (02:00:46):
And I want someone who's not only my best friend
but also my soul.

Speaker 4 (02:00:52):
My best friends every ye, but you missed it. You
always have to start with foot.

Speaker 9 (02:00:57):
Those of you who don't, All right, well listen, that's
gonna be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. I
hope everyone has a great weekend. I know I'm going to,
no matter what I am, savor these weekends. They're gonna
be We're gonna have run out pretty soon.

Speaker 4 (02:01:15):
Only four grand parties this weekend.

Speaker 2 (02:01:17):
All right, We will see you next Tuesday.

Speaker 5 (02:01:22):
Hey, this is Deuce. Thanks for tuning into the show.
If you really want to help us, make sure you
like us wherever you get your podcasts, like Apple Podcasts
or Spotify. Also make sure you follow us on the
new England Patriots YouTube channel to see this show and
everything else that we do here at the Patriots. Thanks
a lot.