March 31, 2025 • 29 mins
Jaguars Head Coach Liam Coen meets with the media in a press conference at the 2025 NFL Annual League Meetings.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All good. I haven't seen since the COMMA. Yeah, what
do you think your roster now for here doing? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I think at the end of the day, what we
really look to do is try to continue to raise
the floor of the organization, Right, how do we continue
to get better consistency, good sound football players that love
to play the game. Really, that's all we were really
trying to do. And I think that ultimately they'll come
in and mess really well with some of the players
that we already have in our locker room.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Guys want to get better.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
We've felt that, we have felt that throughout this offseason.
Guys are eager to get in the building as we
are as coaches.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Man, it's happening fast.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So really excited about the collaboration we have had with
some of the drafts, some of the free agency.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
In our current roster, things are going pretty well so far.
Then you think it through some of the much I
like about this free age place.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, I think if you literally look, we you know
with the four oh, well, really those guys at the
end of the day, with McCary, Tuma Adoga, Robert Hainsey
and obviously.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
With John and their Fred guys. These guys are.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
They love to play the game, They love what it's
about to be an O lineman, right, That's kind of
who they are at the core. Hainesy's been in the system,
So now you have two O linemen that have been
in your system now some version of it with Luke
Fortner and now Hainsey. That'll help spread out to a
lot of our players.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
They'll be able.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
To understand system a little bit quicker coaches.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
It's gonna help from so many different ways.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
So you look at obviously the OL and then you
know on the offensive side as well, at a receiver
with deanbi Brown with getting some speed right, somebody else
that can go down the field, so BT is not
always having to be that guy on the top shelf.
And then on the defensive side, man, you really look
at Jordan Lewis and being able to bring another veteran
defensive back in there help settle things down in the back.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
End and create some competition with Eric Murray.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I think we've done a nice job with being to
get those players that will help settle things in and
be able to create that kind of balance football club
that we're looking for. Arey too, Yeah, that was a
great point is it so many guys that's familiar toy,
but you man, it's on.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
The coaching staff too.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
That's the beautiful part, right, We've been able to get
onboarded so much quicker just because man, look at the
offensive staff, they have almost all been in a version
of this system. So as much as being a head
coach for the first time, it has been amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I haven't been able to do as much football as I'm.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Used to, but to hear the conversations that are happening
in the building, be able to go in there and
hear the dialogue and the presentations. It's pretty cool because
I'm familiar with that flow and so many guys just
getting protections on boarded. All three of the quarterback ol
running back coach have all been in this protection system.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Think about how much quicker that is to be able
to onboard the calendar that takes out game and got
a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
We've spent almost every waking minute together throughout the last
few weeks. Honestly, it's really just been us together with
the help of some mothers as well that have been
part of this problem process.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
But it's so easy to talk to him.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I mean, he breaks things down to such an elite
level of simplicity for me because he's a lot smarter
than I am, and so he's able to break down
the draft understand it as well as anybody I've heard
had these conversations.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
We've got guys in buckets to where we're trying to look.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
For him, and he's been able to map things out
for me to be able to understand at a high level.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Was the collaboration piece chip.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
That was a huge part.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I mean, obviously I was with him for a short
time in LA that helped bridge that gap a little bit.
And I can't think bigger enough for what we were
able to do last year.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
That was such a cool year and he was such
a big part of that.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Maturing off the field man, he became a father, he
became a husband, like he has really been able to grow.
He understands the game at a high level. I think
he's a little underappreciated from.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
That aspect of his game.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
We were able to have really good dialogue, which only
helps being on the field and having communication and his
leadership goes, you know, without saying so, it was easy.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
To have those dialogues.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, I think just being able to have honest conversations,
like we had some real hard at times honest conversations
that allowed us to in times of crisis be.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Okay right, in times of adversity, have real fluid.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Conversations because it gets heated. You know, Bakes yelled at me.
I was okay with that. You know, we had a
good conversation.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
We moved on. But you know, every relationship is different, and.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I think that's what's important is you learned something from
Matthew Stafford, from Jared Goff, from all these guys in
Baker to be able to take for these relationships moving forward.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
In your draft process kind of in a truncated start
point here.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Have you noticed anything about the way, if there's a.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Way that James has packed a lot of information into
that truncated area.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, I think you look at the buckets, right, We've
really kind of started to put players in buckets, and
it's each round has too so we're able to have
enough buckets there where it's not too much, but we
do have enough on the board now also merging you know,
all right, players that were off their board in LA
that maybe we have to have conversations about here. It's
(05:16):
been so organized The way he kind of has things
is like a call sheet, like an offensive or defensive coaches.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Call sheet, not your typical draft.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Board, if you will, So it's easier for me to
read and understand, which I think is really cool. He's
a coach's kid, so he wants to do things that way,
which I really appreciate.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
About of your staff as a first time that coach.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
What did you learned putting his staff together?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Or shoot, yeah, that's a great one, Sarah. That was
probably what took up the most of my time early on.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
That you you're ready for because you have a board, right,
a coach's depth chart that you've been kind of creating
over time, right over the years of doing this, you're
banking them and then finally getting them on paper.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Well, you don't just get the pick them. It's not
the draft. You have to go get them. And so
now you're recruiting against.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Another coach and multiple maybe the other places, college, NFL families.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Everything you have to sell. You're back in recruiting mode.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
So hey, it was just in college not too long ago.
Gott in a mode real quick and we were rolling.
I mean that was the hardest part though, was getting
on those calls.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Being able to recruit two AM on the West coast
zooms it was a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
It was a lot, but man, it really pleased with
the staff we were able to put together and that
was the most stressful part though from Sean.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Well, how would you describe him as a recruiter.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
And what did you learn from Sean about the people
he surrounded himself within.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
La Yeah, people that were you know, really when I
walked into that building in two twenty eighteen, I had
never felt anything like that before. Just the continuity, the positivity,
the true like, man, hey, how are you like? It
actually meant really meant something. I just felt like he
stepped in that building was truly himself every single day.
(07:03):
That was something I've really learned last year was I
wasn't trying to be somebody else.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
That was really just trying to be myself. And everybody
does that.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Good things typically happen and you build good relationships, and
that's what he's always done. You have a real conversation
with Sean McVay every time you guys see to interact,
and I think that that's what ultimately makes him a
great recruiter and surrounds him with unbelievable people.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I think we are. I mean, if you look at
the way we set things up, like there is I
don't want to say a succession, but it's it's built
for people to elevate and grow. Like that's what we want.
We want to win games right now for the Jacksonville Jaguars.
That's priority number one for these coaches.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
But I'd be silly not to say that. I want
them to, you know, develop and evolve and grow. That's
the goal.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Like I want these guys to be able to go
off and be successful. That means we did something right.
But for right now, their focus is on uh, you know,
winning games for the Jacksonville Jaguars and that. Man, I've
been really happy with their flowing. Anthony Campinelli is a
first time defensive coordinator. I went and sat in a
defensive staff room and that was being run like the
players run there. It was he was making a call.
The defensive staff is going all right. I got I
(08:11):
got the cloud, I got the flat, I got the
hook curl and it's like pup, pup up.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I was like, oh shoot, it was moving. It was good.
So really impressed. You know, some of them are in
good situations.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
But when I come to this, hey, man, Like you know,
I was able to go to the rams and learn
what I thought was like getting my PhD in coaching.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Right, I'm not Shawn, and this is a version of
that place. Right.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
But maybe if you haven't been in this system or
been a part of it from you know, whether you're
more in it, you know, you just haven't had.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
An experience of working under one of these coaches yet.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Hey, come just be bold, man, like, come do something different,
Like come be a part of something that may not
be what you're used to. And you know, Jacksonville doesn't hurt.
Being this, you know, tax free state doesn't hurt. But
really it's part of starting something new and truly, like
I'm really saying, is like build it the way you
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want to be able to build it. Do things that
you know are hard. It's gonna be hard, but uh,
that's what's the fun part.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
Well, we'll talk about the learning curve for you making
that transition from offensive coordinator the head coach, and also
what does a typical day look like for you in
the offseason?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Man, that's I just got to ask that question. It's
a really good one. No, No, it's a great one.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I really do because you're as in oc you're managing Okay,
you know ten coaches, players, a little bit of staffing,
but not you know, that's basically about it. Now there's
other parts to it, and you just it keeps adding up,
right with defense, special teams, a little bit of the
situations outside.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
But that's the beautiful way of how we structure this.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
With myself, James Tony BISSELLI, I'm able to truly focus on.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
The staff like that's it. Like I don't keep the
main thing the main thing. I'm a football coach. James
does personnel.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Tony is able to help with so much of the
support staff and communication. So yeah, the I'm his double.
I haven't done a lot of ball, but it's been
really cool. I think with the players coming in soon
be able to do a little bit more. But a
normal day right now starts with about you know, six
am that they have a schedule for me every day
and then I go in with James for the rest
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of the day.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
So that's where we've been at right now. What wasn't
about your one year what you wanted to bring with me? Okay,
you know, you get in there and.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
They had struggled to run the football for a few years, right,
and he had been the center of that, and that
was not something he was just like, you know, ecstatic about,
right he had he he took that personal. He was
really one of the voices in that room that I
thought stood out all the way through and consistent as
a leader and as somebody that does things the right way,
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communicates at a high level, and when he does get
on the field, plays his ass off and that's what
he's done. So, you know, and obviously worked with Robert
for the last year, really feel strongly about his leadership,
the communication, and when he played for us this year
against the Saints, go and watch that tape and you
could see he.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Was playing to prove it, right. He was playing to say, man,
this is who I am, this is how I play.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It didn't work out for him this year ends up
you know, grand barr And wins the job and plays.
But how he mentored that situation in that relationship while
also communicating to the rest of the offense, that was really.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Why we ended up wanting to go and do that.
I'm want to defend out help trembling center already known
the audience.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, that's both those guys, as I mentioned with him
and Luke, having a version of the system is.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Going to help those guys, especially Trevor. But we can't
use it as a crutch though, right.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Everybody's gonna have to dive in, learn it at a
high level and commit to it. But obviously having that
relationship and that communication will help out for sure.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
You've talked about dark You've talked about the willingness to
adapt to maybe change the scheme for the Why even
when and where did you sort of learn that willingness
or or the importance of that willingness and how do
how do you see the players maybe responding.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
To the Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
He's always like my dad, even like as a kid,
they were in the wing t so we had like
a lot of different skill players right on the field
at once. He might not be just a wide out
right or just the tight end or just a running back.
Was three different skill players that ultimately can do different things.
And so when you watch that growing up and you
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see the usage of it, I ays.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Was impressed by the misdirection.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Of the wing tea and how everything looked the same
but ended up different. And then I get to the
rams and I hear the exact word of the illusion
of complexity. Hey, same plays, but we're making them just
look different. So it was already in my mind from
what I saw growing up.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
And so then you're able to apply it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
And especially at the college level, you know, you know,
you've got to be able to adjust to the players,
right because they're.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Both their capacity and what they can handle physically.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
And then obviously in LA in twenty two we lose
every olignment and have a million injuries, and we still
had to compete, guys.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I know, we didn't win, but we still had it.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And so that was a fun experience, although not the
best year in my life.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
How some players sort of like respond to that willingness
to adapt to change all that I think.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Look, I mean, I think every coach does try to
do that right at some capacity.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I think you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
But I felt last year, you know that those guys
were pretty bought in, you know, early on, right when
just the way that maybe you introduced the system, the
way that you incrementally put it in.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
And show them the why. I'm not just telling you
what's black and white.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I want them to know the why I want them
to then ask me about the why I do. Now
there's a certain point where hey, guys, this is the
way where we're doing things.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
You still have to have that, but I want the inclusion.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I wanted to hear Mike Evans tell me how to
he runs that route, so that not just me I
can learn, but the other guys in the room can
learn as well, and it creates better dialogue.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
What is the time? Need to a finer go faster?
There's a man, a guy like this? You I out
of there? Yeah, I think you know. We've talked about
in tangibly risk, like really good.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Football players is what we're trying to find. I mean,
that's guys that truly love and live playing football right
to that extent, right, we want them to be both
mentally and physically tough. Those are things that are gonna
be kind of non negotiables for us when it comes
down to it.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
The rest man, fast, strong, long, Like.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
We're not even trying to use those adjectives or you know,
those words in this whole deal. We're really just trying
to say, like do we want them or not? Like
do we want the player or not? Do we want
to coach this player or not try to keep it
there and then be able to get into it so
mentally and physically tough guys that love to play that ultimately, man,
they're they're just loving to compete, you know, coming from
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maybe some good programs that have.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Won, that know how to do things, that do things right.
Felt like that was something in Tampa last year that
really helped that rookie class.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
They all came from really good programs to help them
get onboard pretty pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Players with this where are they walking into legative energy?
You know, that's the first thing when we're really trying
to place is just feel guys like this is good stuff.
It's great to be back. We're doing football. Guys. How
many of us get to do this?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
We we get an opportunity to do this every single day.
There's so many that don't. And so how are we
going to approach this thing? I think they'll walk into
that kind of feeling and you know.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
We'll meet.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
We'll just do meetings obviously throughout phase one, introducing our
systems while we at the same time start to introduce
our culture, the way that we're going to be, the
way the way we're going to talk to each other,
the way that we're going to communicate with each other,
how we're going to treat one another. That'll go hand
in hand with the systems.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Can you rams overhaul their team building strategy to overhaul
through the draft, specifically James being the strategies when you
reconnected with him, How is he different.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
From what you get for? Man, it's not like that
was the thing. Like James and I weren't just like
we weren't like homies, you know, like we work together.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
He was leading always the undrafted free agent process after
the draft, and he's spearheaded it like he talked.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
He was the guy communicating to both the coaches and the.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Scouting department, right, that was what he did. He was
in charge of it and led it. And I was like, man,
this dude's impressive.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
You know, like this isn't easy to communicate.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Bullets things are flying in that moment and he's able
to keep his head so cool, communicate at a high level.
And then man, go back in twenty two and he's
now doing that with the draft and he's really hand
in hand with Less and working with Sean and those
guys in that process.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
That.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I'm like, whoa, Okay that that happened quickly, and man,
his just ability to communicate with all walks of life
is really cool and his organizational skills have helped me
out tremendously.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
He turns up stuff the team and going into Shawn's environment. Yeah,
I wouldn't would you every time there? And how are
you trying to hear that? It's a great one. Gary.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Like I remember being in my third or fourth month
working for Sean and I'm just drawing. I'm a drawer, right,
I'm just like here drawing plays, trying not to deal,
just getting away, and uh, he comes by my office
one day.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
At like six pm. I'm just I'm just studying.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It's the off season, and uh, he walks by my office,
comes in and it's like, hey, man, just really want to.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
You're doing a great job, and I appreciate you being here.
I'm really happy you're here.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
And that was out and I was like, oh, okay,
you can be told you're doing a good job in
this sport because all the other places I'd meant and
how I had grown up.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
It's like, hey, you just do what you're told when
you're told, and you don't do it because somebody said,
good job.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You do it just because you're a coach and you're
just you're a little bit more of a soldier mentality
that it was just a different feeling that you're like, oh, okay,
it's okay to.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Tell guys, hey, man, I love you. It's okay to
open up and be actually a human being too.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
And so that was always the culture where you felt like, man,
all right, I have to be at a high level
while i'm here, but man, I can be myself.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, I'm talking about energy and when they come back.
But what's the key just sustaining that it's not just.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
The Yeah, it's just incrementally inputting the culture. So it's
not just man culture overload day one, when you're like
as a player and coach and staff, it's like, man,
that was way too much, Like this is a lot, hey,
incrementally really just man, because it's it's culture, is how
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we truly just are, how we talk to each other,
how we hang out with each other, the way we
hold meetings and gatherings together. So it's just incrementally, let's
have these conversations about trying to do more of this
instead of this right at the end of the day,
how do we connect closer? And you know, players, you
have to show them, you truly have to lay. Let's
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show them examples of what we.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Want this to look like.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I remember Harvard did a study a few years ago
on the Boston Celtics and the Lakers on the power
of touch. You know, when you shoot a free throw
and every single dude right you see them all dat
people up in the basketball world. The power touch is
so huge in terms of the best teams that year
that touched the most in terms of the connection, the
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high fives, all that stuff. There's the Lakers and the Celtics,
the best teams in the league, and so there's a
whole study about it. I thought was interesting because it's
like man, for us to actually be connected, we've got.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
To be able to high five and man, celebrate and
have a good time together. That's what we're trying to do.
We talked a lot about what stages sport.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Now, how would this early stage can you build what
Trevor this early stage, how are.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
You able to build or haven't been able to build?
The truck has some.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Really good conversations, you know, and not being able to
work with them quite yet. But man, we had went
out to dinner a few times and I saw the
vision talk to a guy that I know right off
the bat is physically and mentally tough.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I believe that about going and so that's how I'm
excited to work with him about it. He's open. He
just wants to play at the highest level as he can.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
He just he wants to accept as much as coach.
He wants to be coached hard, and he wants to
do well. So those are the great conversations that he's open,
he wants to work, and he's been willing to work.
H really excited about those.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Is going forward. We were talking earlier about from the
follow up year you were looking forward and it wasn't.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
Necessarily out you know, a certain physical template because one
of your free agency.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Does he kind of fit into that undersized he seems competitive, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Mean Jordan lewis Man broke my heart last year. We're
going down to win and take the lead against Dallas.
Last year, we throw a kind of a post to
Jalen McMillan. It looks like we've got it.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
We're gonna take the leader at least I at that
point and j Mack has.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
It, Jordan takes it out at the last minute and
ends up being an interception for a touchback, and you're
just like, man, that's who he is.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
That's the way he competes. It's too and through the whistle.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Like those guys that do it like that at a
high level and are able to communicate as well at
a high level, those are the guys that we're trying
to bring in.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
He's completely what we were looking for and really excited
to have him.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
When you're talking about the culture and recruiting players, we're
a big thing is guys wanting to play for Sean.
Are there any examples you have or just that you
saw regents come in and say like, yeah, this is
the guy that.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I want to play with.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, I think if you look obviously it's probably clear
to look at Robert, you know, coming from Tampa, but
like just to follow up maybe and here the way
that he was able to communicate some of that you
saw maybe bleed into some of like you know with
Patrick McCarry, some of our conversations Diamie Brown, some of
those conversations what we just had with Jordan Lewis, Like
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you know, those were open and honest really quickly, and
you feel guys that did want to be a part
of change. And ultimately that's cool where you're able to
have those relationships at other places with people they talk
like those guys talk BT talk to Mike Evans like
they talk. So at the end of the day, like,
that's what you want, that's gonna help you.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I want those players to go call those.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Guys in Tampa and see what they'd said. You know,
it's only gonna help out how much going off I
think that's you know, yes, physical is a mass and
size issue, but it's also a mentality. It's also uh,
the way it's coached, the way it's taught, the way
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it's pret So I'm kind of gonna hold on evaluating
that part.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
So I think we got competition in depth. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I think we got some good, sound, solid players that
are gonna help elevate that floor. But let's go wait
and see what it truly looks like when we actually
go and compete and and do things the way we're
gonna do.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
We added a bunch to the offense, Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Old familiar looking to add some competition in there. We've
got some really good players down there. I think, you know,
we've got three first rounders right on our defensive line currently, so, uh,
three guys that are gonna have some good years hopefully
they're hoping, you know, elevate that room and we'll continue.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
To evaluate it.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
But uh, yeah, absolutely you're looking to add definitely somebody
to the dealer. However, that thing plays out inside.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Or outside.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
Conversations with Trevor and he's frustrated with his inconsistent hungry
Like how would you modify his mentality four.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Years in year?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, I think pretty mellow in a good way though,
Like it's yeah, you feel a sense of urgency from
him without it sounding like a panic, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I mean, he he knows. He's confident, man. He loves
to play. He doesn't want to be hurt. He doesn't
want to be not in the game like that. That
means a lot to him.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
And so when you start there and that's the floor
of the conversations, man, you feel so good about where
it's gonna go because it's honest, you can feel it
from him. So, uh, he's hungry though, I would say
that for sure, he's putting in time right now on
his own without any sort of a he's doing it
on his own, maybe twice a day right now, doing
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stuff to help him get better. I think the fans
should know, like that's that's this guy's work ethic, that's
the way he does things.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah, he's getting better.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
He's throwing a little bit and and you know he'll
be able to get going in the spring and be
able to throw a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
But man, he's getting better and better each deck He'll.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I think, Yeah, I mean some of it's just okay,
getting used to two plays. They did a good amount
of it last year, but it more in the past
game at times. But it's more just getting used to,
like almost that's just being a normal rhythm and routine
of how we kind of operate.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
And you know, it's just repetition, man, It's just a
ton of repetition.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Once you're able to visualize the formation's motions things like that,
that's when it becomes so much easier to call it
to where you can start to visualize it, it won't
happen for a little while. We had a little bit
of a bridge in Tampa with Dave Canalis running a
version of this system helped that bridge.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
It wasn't like we were going in completely putting in
something new.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
This may be a little bit more that way, just
because it was a different it was a similar system, right,
they did similar so many players with the same guys, Right,
it's just what we call them and getting through that
way we kind of.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And Britain plays the game the right way. I'll say
that for sure. I love the way he competes.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Through the whistle, right, he does it through the whistle,
plays with an edge, He's got some.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Twitch, he's strong, he's got to get his hands on
in the blocking. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Uh yeah, he'll elevate just by alone getting more reps
and getting them on the Field's a good thing for
and you can tell he's hungry, wants to continue to
get better and showed some really nice things last year,
especially after the catch, doing some nice things and break
and tackles and get extra yards.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
And Christian Kirk just what's the challenge there now for
you guys to get to that level.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Again and to move forward?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, always hard letting go of good football players. Man,
have a ton of respect for both of those guys.
You know, I'd done some really good things here that
those were not easy decisions and ultimately hate to let
go of good football players. But you know, production right,
those guys did have a good amount of targets, receptions,
you know, some critical plays in different moments of different years.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
So there's some chemistry, some camaraderie there. I'm sure that
we have to, you know, continue to work on.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
But I think you saw what BT and Trevor were
able to do last year, and then obviously with some
of the guys in Parker Washington had a great connection
and you start to.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
See some of these guys evolve.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
We're like, okay, you know, this allows us to do
some different things within our roster structure and feel confident
about where it's going moving forward.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
And minutes their coach Thompson drug free Agency, you all
picked up. So what you see in me and with
kind of leg you.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, I mean you look at somebody that's able to
attack the field at all three levels. He can go
down the field on the post and the go and
the pylons and be the top shelf. But also you
can throw him a screen and you can go and
do something with him, right, Like I can't coach that.
I can't coach you to go and make three people
miss after you've caught the ball. We could try I'll
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teach the synops of the porch and open field, running, sideline,
stiff arm. But at the end of the day, we're
getting the play, so you can go beat you with
the ball in your hands. And that's what he can do,
hopefully be able to help us at all three levels.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
And he's hungry. You know, he's coming off of a
successful end of the year. He wants to continue to
do that. And uh, you know that's been what's been
fun about having those conversations with him. Coach.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
Usually your wife and your sons are getting settled in
the Jacksonville area. What are some of the tourist attracts
from the restaurants or fun things to do that you've discovered.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yes, I mean we've gone out to plant of these
a number of times out there.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I went to V's Pizza a few times. My son
Pepperoni and cheese feets is his favorite, So we're there
a few times. I have been there already a number
of times. But it's been it's cool to just get around.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
You can tell you can feel people do love football
in the area. You know, you can feel that, like
going out to go get breakfast, going out to you know,
get coffee, Like you can feel people and that's really cool, right,
Like ultimately I love like I'm passionate about football and
if you are too, that's cool with me and I
appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
So I have really enjoyed our time so far. Kids
aren't my son, Jackson's in school, and and it's going
well to maybe each tray.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Off.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I mean there are any conference.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Studios, Yeah, We're have an opening conversations and at the
end of the day we'll we'll continue to have those
and you know, James and TONI and I will have
those conversations as we go for sure.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
You.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Got you got.
Speaker 8 (29:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I've had some conversations with Trey, like sounds like he
you know, We've had a number of hour long conversations where, man,
I feel a guy that wants to go be great,
you know that that wants to continue to take the
next step and dominate.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I could feel that from him.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Sounds like a guy that just wants to work, does
things the right way. So I'm excited about working with him.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Man, He's He's really been pleasant to talk to him.
All good. I haven't seen since the COMMA. Yeah, what
do you think your roster now for here doing? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I think at the end of the day, what we
really look to do is try to continue to raise
the floor of the organization, Right, how do we continue
to get better consistency, good sound football players that love
to play the game. Really, that's all we were really
trying to do. And I think that ultimately they'll come
in and mess really well with some of the players
that we already have in our locker room.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Guys want to get better.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
We've felt that, we have felt that throughout this offseason.
Guys are eager to get in the building as we
are as coaches.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Man, it's happening fast.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So really excited about the collaboration we have had with
some of the drafts, some of the free agency.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
In our current roster, things are going pretty well so far.
Then you think it through some of the much I
like about this free age place.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, I think if you literally look, we you know
with the four oh, well, really those guys at the
end of the day, with McCary, Tuma Adoga, Robert Hainsey
and obviously.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
With John and their Fred guys. These guys are.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
They love to play the game, They love what it's
about to be an O lineman, right, That's kind of
who they are at the core. Hainesy's been in the system,
So now you have two O linemen that have been
in your system now some version of it with Luke
Fortner and now Hainsey. That'll help spread out to a
lot of our players.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
They'll be able.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
To understand system a little bit quicker coaches.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
It's gonna help from so many different ways.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
So you look at obviously the OL and then you
know on the offensive side as well, at a receiver
with deanbi Brown with getting some speed right, somebody else
that can go down the field, so BT is not
always having to be that guy on the top shelf.
And then on the defensive side, man, you really look
at Jordan Lewis and being able to bring another veteran
defensive back in there help settle things down in the back.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
End and create some competition with Eric Murray.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I think we've done a nice job with being to
get those players that will help settle things in and
be able to create that kind of balance football club
that we're looking for. Arey too, Yeah, that was a
great point is it so many guys that's familiar toy,
but you man, it's on.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
The coaching staff too.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
That's the beautiful part, right, We've been able to get
onboarded so much quicker just because man, look at the
offensive staff, they have almost all been in a version
of this system. So as much as being a head
coach for the first time, it has been amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I haven't been able to do as much football as I'm.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Used to, but to hear the conversations that are happening
in the building, be able to go in there and
hear the dialogue and the presentations. It's pretty cool because
I'm familiar with that flow and so many guys just
getting protections on boarded. All three of the quarterback ol
running back coach have all been in this protection system.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Think about how much quicker that is to be able
to onboard the calendar that takes out game and got
a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
We've spent almost every waking minute together throughout the last
few weeks. Honestly, it's really just been us together with
the help of some mothers as well that have been
part of this problem process.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
But it's so easy to talk to him.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I mean, he breaks things down to such an elite
level of simplicity for me because he's a lot smarter
than I am, and so he's able to break down
the draft understand it as well as anybody I've heard
had these conversations.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
We've got guys in buckets to where we're trying to look.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
For him, and he's been able to map things out
for me to be able to understand at a high level.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Was the collaboration piece chip.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
That was a huge part.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I mean, obviously I was with him for a short
time in LA that helped bridge that gap a little bit.
And I can't think bigger enough for what we were
able to do last year.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
That was such a cool year and he was such
a big part of that.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Maturing off the field man, he became a father, he
became a husband, like he has really been able to grow.
He understands the game at a high level. I think
he's a little underappreciated from.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
That aspect of his game.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
We were able to have really good dialogue, which only
helps being on the field and having communication and his
leadership goes, you know, without saying so, it was easy.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
To have those dialogues.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, I think just being able to have honest conversations,
like we had some real hard at times honest conversations
that allowed us to in times of crisis be.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Okay right, in times of adversity, have real fluid.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Conversations because it gets heated. You know, Bakes yelled at me.
I was okay with that. You know, we had a
good conversation.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
We moved on. But you know, every relationship is different, and.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I think that's what's important is you learned something from
Matthew Stafford, from Jared Goff, from all these guys in
Baker to be able to take for these relationships moving forward.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
In your draft process kind of in a truncated start
point here.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Have you noticed anything about the way, if there's a.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Way that James has packed a lot of information into
that truncated area.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, I think you look at the buckets, right, We've
really kind of started to put players in buckets, and
it's each round has too so we're able to have
enough buckets there where it's not too much, but we
do have enough on the board now also merging you know,
all right, players that were off their board in LA
that maybe we have to have conversations about here. It's
(05:16):
been so organized The way he kind of has things
is like a call sheet, like an offensive or defensive coaches.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Call sheet, not your typical draft.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Board, if you will, So it's easier for me to
read and understand, which I think is really cool. He's
a coach's kid, so he wants to do things that way,
which I really appreciate.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
About of your staff as a first time that coach.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
What did you learned putting his staff together?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Or shoot, yeah, that's a great one, Sarah. That was
probably what took up the most of my time early on.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
That you you're ready for because you have a board, right,
a coach's depth chart that you've been kind of creating
over time, right over the years of doing this, you're
banking them and then finally getting them on paper.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Well, you don't just get the pick them. It's not
the draft. You have to go get them. And so
now you're recruiting against.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Another coach and multiple maybe the other places, college, NFL families.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Everything you have to sell. You're back in recruiting mode.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
So hey, it was just in college not too long ago.
Gott in a mode real quick and we were rolling.
I mean that was the hardest part though, was getting
on those calls.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Being able to recruit two AM on the West coast
zooms it was a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
It was a lot, but man, it really pleased with
the staff we were able to put together and that
was the most stressful part though from Sean.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Well, how would you describe him as a recruiter.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
And what did you learn from Sean about the people
he surrounded himself within.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
La Yeah, people that were you know, really when I
walked into that building in two twenty eighteen, I had
never felt anything like that before. Just the continuity, the positivity,
the true like, man, hey, how are you like? It
actually meant really meant something. I just felt like he
stepped in that building was truly himself every single day.
(07:03):
That was something I've really learned last year was I
wasn't trying to be somebody else.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
That was really just trying to be myself. And everybody
does that.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Good things typically happen and you build good relationships, and
that's what he's always done. You have a real conversation
with Sean McVay every time you guys see to interact,
and I think that that's what ultimately makes him a
great recruiter and surrounds him with unbelievable people.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I think we are. I mean, if you look at
the way we set things up, like there is I
don't want to say a succession, but it's it's built
for people to elevate and grow. Like that's what we want.
We want to win games right now for the Jacksonville Jaguars.
That's priority number one for these coaches.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
But I'd be silly not to say that. I want
them to, you know, develop and evolve and grow. That's
the goal.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Like I want these guys to be able to go
off and be successful. That means we did something right.
But for right now, their focus is on uh, you know,
winning games for the Jacksonville Jaguars and that. Man, I've
been really happy with their flowing. Anthony Campinelli is a
first time defensive coordinator. I went and sat in a
defensive staff room and that was being run like the
players run there. It was he was making a call.
The defensive staff is going all right. I got I
(08:11):
got the cloud, I got the flat, I got the
hook curl and it's like pup, pup up.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I was like, oh shoot, it was moving. It was good.
So really impressed. You know, some of them are in
good situations.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
But when I come to this, hey, man, Like you know,
I was able to go to the rams and learn
what I thought was like getting my PhD in coaching.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Right, I'm not Shawn, and this is a version of
that place. Right.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
But maybe if you haven't been in this system or
been a part of it from you know, whether you're
more in it, you know, you just haven't had.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
An experience of working under one of these coaches yet.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Hey, come just be bold, man, like, come do something different,
Like come be a part of something that may not
be what you're used to. And you know, Jacksonville doesn't hurt.
Being this, you know, tax free state doesn't hurt. But
really it's part of starting something new and truly, like
I'm really saying, is like build it the way you
(09:03):
want to be able to build it. Do things that
you know are hard. It's gonna be hard, but uh,
that's what's the fun part.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
Well, we'll talk about the learning curve for you making
that transition from offensive coordinator the head coach, and also
what does a typical day look like for you in
the offseason?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Man, that's I just got to ask that question. It's
a really good one. No, No, it's a great one.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I really do because you're as in oc you're managing Okay,
you know ten coaches, players, a little bit of staffing,
but not you know, that's basically about it. Now there's
other parts to it, and you just it keeps adding up,
right with defense, special teams, a little bit of the
situations outside.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
But that's the beautiful way of how we structure this.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
With myself, James Tony BISSELLI, I'm able to truly focus on.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
The staff like that's it. Like I don't keep the
main thing the main thing. I'm a football coach. James
does personnel.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Tony is able to help with so much of the
support staff and communication. So yeah, the I'm his double.
I haven't done a lot of ball, but it's been
really cool. I think with the players coming in soon
be able to do a little bit more. But a
normal day right now starts with about you know, six
am that they have a schedule for me every day
and then I go in with James for the rest
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of the day.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
So that's where we've been at right now. What wasn't
about your one year what you wanted to bring with me? Okay,
you know, you get in there and.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
They had struggled to run the football for a few years, right,
and he had been the center of that, and that
was not something he was just like, you know, ecstatic about,
right he had he he took that personal. He was
really one of the voices in that room that I
thought stood out all the way through and consistent as
a leader and as somebody that does things the right way,
(10:48):
communicates at a high level, and when he does get
on the field, plays his ass off and that's what
he's done. So, you know, and obviously worked with Robert
for the last year, really feel strongly about his leadership,
the communication, and when he played for us this year
against the Saints, go and watch that tape and you
could see he.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Was playing to prove it, right. He was playing to say, man,
this is who I am, this is how I play.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It didn't work out for him this year ends up
you know, grand barr And wins the job and plays.
But how he mentored that situation in that relationship while
also communicating to the rest of the offense, that was really.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Why we ended up wanting to go and do that.
I'm want to defend out help trembling center already known
the audience.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, that's both those guys, as I mentioned with him
and Luke, having a version of the system is.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Going to help those guys, especially Trevor. But we can't
use it as a crutch though, right.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Everybody's gonna have to dive in, learn it at a
high level and commit to it. But obviously having that
relationship and that communication will help out for sure.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
You've talked about dark You've talked about the willingness to
adapt to maybe change the scheme for the Why even
when and where did you sort of learn that willingness
or or the importance of that willingness and how do
how do you see the players maybe responding.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
To the Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
He's always like my dad, even like as a kid,
they were in the wing t so we had like
a lot of different skill players right on the field
at once. He might not be just a wide out
right or just the tight end or just a running back.
Was three different skill players that ultimately can do different things.
And so when you watch that growing up and you
(12:21):
see the usage of it, I ays.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Was impressed by the misdirection.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Of the wing tea and how everything looked the same
but ended up different. And then I get to the
rams and I hear the exact word of the illusion
of complexity. Hey, same plays, but we're making them just
look different. So it was already in my mind from
what I saw growing up.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
And so then you're able to apply it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
And especially at the college level, you know, you know,
you've got to be able to adjust to the players,
right because they're.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Both their capacity and what they can handle physically.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
And then obviously in LA in twenty two we lose
every olignment and have a million injuries, and we still
had to compete, guys.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I know, we didn't win, but we still had it.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And so that was a fun experience, although not the
best year in my life.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
How some players sort of like respond to that willingness
to adapt to change all that I think.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Look, I mean, I think every coach does try to
do that right at some capacity.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I think you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
But I felt last year, you know that those guys
were pretty bought in, you know, early on, right when
just the way that maybe you introduced the system, the
way that you incrementally put it in.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
And show them the why. I'm not just telling you
what's black and white.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I want them to know the why I want them
to then ask me about the why I do. Now
there's a certain point where hey, guys, this is the
way where we're doing things.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
You still have to have that, but I want the inclusion.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I wanted to hear Mike Evans tell me how to
he runs that route, so that not just me I
can learn, but the other guys in the room can
learn as well, and it creates better dialogue.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
What is the time? Need to a finer go faster?
There's a man, a guy like this? You I out
of there? Yeah, I think you know. We've talked about
in tangibly risk, like really good.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Football players is what we're trying to find. I mean,
that's guys that truly love and live playing football right
to that extent, right, we want them to be both
mentally and physically tough. Those are things that are gonna
be kind of non negotiables for us when it comes
down to it.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
The rest man, fast, strong, long, Like.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
We're not even trying to use those adjectives or you know,
those words in this whole deal. We're really just trying
to say, like do we want them or not? Like
do we want the player or not? Do we want
to coach this player or not try to keep it
there and then be able to get into it so
mentally and physically tough guys that love to play that ultimately, man,
they're they're just loving to compete, you know, coming from
(14:49):
maybe some good programs that have.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Won, that know how to do things, that do things right.
Felt like that was something in Tampa last year that
really helped that rookie class.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
They all came from really good programs to help them
get onboard pretty pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Players with this where are they walking into legative energy?
You know, that's the first thing when we're really trying
to place is just feel guys like this is good stuff.
It's great to be back. We're doing football. Guys. How
many of us get to do this?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
We we get an opportunity to do this every single day.
There's so many that don't. And so how are we
going to approach this thing? I think they'll walk into
that kind of feeling and you know.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
We'll meet.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
We'll just do meetings obviously throughout phase one, introducing our
systems while we at the same time start to introduce
our culture, the way that we're going to be, the
way the way we're going to talk to each other,
the way that we're going to communicate with each other,
how we're going to treat one another. That'll go hand
in hand with the systems.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Can you rams overhaul their team building strategy to overhaul
through the draft, specifically James being the strategies when you
reconnected with him, How is he different.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
From what you get for? Man, it's not like that
was the thing. Like James and I weren't just like
we weren't like homies, you know, like we work together.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
He was leading always the undrafted free agent process after
the draft, and he's spearheaded it like he talked.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
He was the guy communicating to both the coaches and the.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Scouting department, right, that was what he did. He was
in charge of it and led it. And I was like, man,
this dude's impressive.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
You know, like this isn't easy to communicate.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Bullets things are flying in that moment and he's able
to keep his head so cool, communicate at a high level.
And then man, go back in twenty two and he's
now doing that with the draft and he's really hand
in hand with Less and working with Sean and those
guys in that process.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
That.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I'm like, whoa, Okay that that happened quickly, and man,
his just ability to communicate with all walks of life
is really cool and his organizational skills have helped me
out tremendously.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
He turns up stuff the team and going into Shawn's environment. Yeah,
I wouldn't would you every time there? And how are
you trying to hear that? It's a great one. Gary.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Like I remember being in my third or fourth month
working for Sean and I'm just drawing. I'm a drawer, right,
I'm just like here drawing plays, trying not to deal,
just getting away, and uh, he comes by my office
one day.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
At like six pm. I'm just I'm just studying.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It's the off season, and uh, he walks by my office,
comes in and it's like, hey, man, just really want to.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
You're doing a great job, and I appreciate you being here.
I'm really happy you're here.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
And that was out and I was like, oh, okay,
you can be told you're doing a good job in
this sport because all the other places I'd meant and
how I had grown up.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
It's like, hey, you just do what you're told when
you're told, and you don't do it because somebody said,
good job.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You do it just because you're a coach and you're
just you're a little bit more of a soldier mentality
that it was just a different feeling that you're like, oh, okay,
it's okay to.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Tell guys, hey, man, I love you. It's okay to
open up and be actually a human being too.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
And so that was always the culture where you felt like, man,
all right, I have to be at a high level
while i'm here, but man, I can be myself.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, I'm talking about energy and when they come back.
But what's the key just sustaining that it's not just.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
The Yeah, it's just incrementally inputting the culture. So it's
not just man culture overload day one, when you're like
as a player and coach and staff, it's like, man,
that was way too much, Like this is a lot, hey,
incrementally really just man, because it's it's culture, is how
(18:38):
we truly just are, how we talk to each other,
how we hang out with each other, the way we
hold meetings and gatherings together. So it's just incrementally, let's
have these conversations about trying to do more of this
instead of this right at the end of the day,
how do we connect closer? And you know, players, you
have to show them, you truly have to lay. Let's
(19:01):
show them examples of what we.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Want this to look like.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I remember Harvard did a study a few years ago
on the Boston Celtics and the Lakers on the power
of touch. You know, when you shoot a free throw
and every single dude right you see them all dat
people up in the basketball world. The power touch is
so huge in terms of the best teams that year
that touched the most in terms of the connection, the
(19:25):
high fives, all that stuff. There's the Lakers and the Celtics,
the best teams in the league, and so there's a
whole study about it. I thought was interesting because it's
like man, for us to actually be connected, we've got.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
To be able to high five and man, celebrate and
have a good time together. That's what we're trying to do.
We talked a lot about what stages sport.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Now, how would this early stage can you build what
Trevor this early stage, how are.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
You able to build or haven't been able to build?
The truck has some.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Really good conversations, you know, and not being able to
work with them quite yet. But man, we had went
out to dinner a few times and I saw the
vision talk to a guy that I know right off
the bat is physically and mentally tough.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I believe that about going and so that's how I'm
excited to work with him about it. He's open. He
just wants to play at the highest level as he can.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
He just he wants to accept as much as coach.
He wants to be coached hard, and he wants to
do well. So those are the great conversations that he's open,
he wants to work, and he's been willing to work.
H really excited about those.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Is going forward. We were talking earlier about from the
follow up year you were looking forward and it wasn't.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
Necessarily out you know, a certain physical template because one
of your free agency.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Does he kind of fit into that undersized he seems competitive, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Mean Jordan lewis Man broke my heart last year. We're
going down to win and take the lead against Dallas.
Last year, we throw a kind of a post to
Jalen McMillan. It looks like we've got it.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
We're gonna take the leader at least I at that
point and j Mack has.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
It, Jordan takes it out at the last minute and
ends up being an interception for a touchback, and you're
just like, man, that's who he is.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
That's the way he competes. It's too and through the whistle.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Like those guys that do it like that at a
high level and are able to communicate as well at
a high level, those are the guys that we're trying
to bring in.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
He's completely what we were looking for and really excited
to have him.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
When you're talking about the culture and recruiting players, we're
a big thing is guys wanting to play for Sean.
Are there any examples you have or just that you
saw regents come in and say like, yeah, this is
the guy that.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I want to play with.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, I think if you look obviously it's probably clear
to look at Robert, you know, coming from Tampa, but
like just to follow up maybe and here the way
that he was able to communicate some of that you
saw maybe bleed into some of like you know with
Patrick McCarry, some of our conversations Diamie Brown, some of
those conversations what we just had with Jordan Lewis, Like
(21:54):
you know, those were open and honest really quickly, and
you feel guys that did want to be a part
of change. And ultimately that's cool where you're able to
have those relationships at other places with people they talk
like those guys talk BT talk to Mike Evans like
they talk. So at the end of the day, like,
that's what you want, that's gonna help you.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I want those players to go call those.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Guys in Tampa and see what they'd said. You know,
it's only gonna help out how much going off I
think that's you know, yes, physical is a mass and
size issue, but it's also a mentality. It's also uh,
the way it's coached, the way it's taught, the way
(22:36):
it's pret So I'm kind of gonna hold on evaluating
that part.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
So I think we got competition in depth. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I think we got some good, sound, solid players that
are gonna help elevate that floor. But let's go wait
and see what it truly looks like when we actually
go and compete and and do things the way we're
gonna do.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
We added a bunch to the offense, Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Old familiar looking to add some competition in there. We've
got some really good players down there. I think, you know,
we've got three first rounders right on our defensive line currently, so, uh,
three guys that are gonna have some good years hopefully
they're hoping, you know, elevate that room and we'll continue.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
To evaluate it.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
But uh, yeah, absolutely you're looking to add definitely somebody
to the dealer. However, that thing plays out inside.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Or outside.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
Conversations with Trevor and he's frustrated with his inconsistent hungry
Like how would you modify his mentality four.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Years in year?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, I think pretty mellow in a good way though,
Like it's yeah, you feel a sense of urgency from
him without it sounding like a panic, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I mean, he he knows. He's confident, man. He loves
to play. He doesn't want to be hurt. He doesn't
want to be not in the game like that. That
means a lot to him.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
And so when you start there and that's the floor
of the conversations, man, you feel so good about where
it's gonna go because it's honest, you can feel it
from him. So, uh, he's hungry though, I would say
that for sure, he's putting in time right now on
his own without any sort of a he's doing it
on his own, maybe twice a day right now, doing
(24:18):
stuff to help him get better. I think the fans
should know, like that's that's this guy's work ethic, that's
the way he does things.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah, he's getting better.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
He's throwing a little bit and and you know he'll
be able to get going in the spring and be
able to throw a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
But man, he's getting better and better each deck He'll.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I think, Yeah, I mean some of it's just okay,
getting used to two plays. They did a good amount
of it last year, but it more in the past
game at times. But it's more just getting used to,
like almost that's just being a normal rhythm and routine
of how we kind of operate.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
And you know, it's just repetition, man, It's just a
ton of repetition.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Once you're able to visualize the formation's motions things like that,
that's when it becomes so much easier to call it
to where you can start to visualize it, it won't
happen for a little while. We had a little bit
of a bridge in Tampa with Dave Canalis running a
version of this system helped that bridge.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
It wasn't like we were going in completely putting in
something new.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
This may be a little bit more that way, just
because it was a different it was a similar system, right,
they did similar so many players with the same guys, Right,
it's just what we call them and getting through that
way we kind of.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And Britain plays the game the right way. I'll say
that for sure. I love the way he competes.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Through the whistle, right, he does it through the whistle,
plays with an edge, He's got some.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Twitch, he's strong, he's got to get his hands on
in the blocking. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Uh yeah, he'll elevate just by alone getting more reps
and getting them on the Field's a good thing for
and you can tell he's hungry, wants to continue to
get better and showed some really nice things last year,
especially after the catch, doing some nice things and break
and tackles and get extra yards.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
And Christian Kirk just what's the challenge there now for
you guys to get to that level.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Again and to move forward?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, always hard letting go of good football players. Man,
have a ton of respect for both of those guys.
You know, I'd done some really good things here that
those were not easy decisions and ultimately hate to let
go of good football players. But you know, production right,
those guys did have a good amount of targets, receptions,
you know, some critical plays in different moments of different years.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
So there's some chemistry, some camaraderie there. I'm sure that
we have to, you know, continue to work on.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
But I think you saw what BT and Trevor were
able to do last year, and then obviously with some
of the guys in Parker Washington had a great connection
and you start to.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
See some of these guys evolve.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
We're like, okay, you know, this allows us to do
some different things within our roster structure and feel confident
about where it's going moving forward.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
And minutes their coach Thompson drug free Agency, you all
picked up. So what you see in me and with
kind of leg you.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, I mean you look at somebody that's able to
attack the field at all three levels. He can go
down the field on the post and the go and
the pylons and be the top shelf. But also you
can throw him a screen and you can go and
do something with him, right, Like I can't coach that.
I can't coach you to go and make three people
miss after you've caught the ball. We could try I'll
(27:36):
teach the synops of the porch and open field, running, sideline,
stiff arm. But at the end of the day, we're
getting the play, so you can go beat you with
the ball in your hands. And that's what he can do,
hopefully be able to help us at all three levels.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
And he's hungry. You know, he's coming off of a
successful end of the year. He wants to continue to
do that. And uh, you know that's been what's been
fun about having those conversations with him. Coach.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
Usually your wife and your sons are getting settled in
the Jacksonville area. What are some of the tourist attracts
from the restaurants or fun things to do that you've discovered.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yes, I mean we've gone out to plant of these
a number of times out there.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I went to V's Pizza a few times. My son
Pepperoni and cheese feets is his favorite, So we're there
a few times. I have been there already a number
of times. But it's been it's cool to just get around.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
You can tell you can feel people do love football
in the area. You know, you can feel that, like
going out to go get breakfast, going out to you know,
get coffee, Like you can feel people and that's really cool, right,
Like ultimately I love like I'm passionate about football and
if you are too, that's cool with me and I
appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
So I have really enjoyed our time so far. Kids
aren't my son, Jackson's in school, and and it's going
well to maybe each tray.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Off.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I mean there are any conference.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Studios, Yeah, We're have an opening conversations and at the
end of the day we'll we'll continue to have those
and you know, James and TONI and I will have
those conversations as we go for sure.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
You.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Got you got.
Speaker 8 (29:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I've had some conversations with Trey, like sounds like he
you know, We've had a number of hour long conversations where, man,
I feel a guy that wants to go be great,
you know that that wants to continue to take the
next step and dominate.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I could feel that from him.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Sounds like a guy that just wants to work, does
things the right way. So I'm excited about working with him.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Man, He's He's really been pleasant to talk to him.
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