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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, the NFL Scout in Combine in Indianapolis. J P.
Shadwick with the Great Charles Davis. You do it all
NFL on CBS, NFL Media, Serious XM Radio. You're doing
the Combine broadcast. I mean, yeah, you've got it all.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
How lucky am I that people will will allow me
to do all this type of work.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
I'm pretty fortunate. Really. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I know it kind of sounds trite because we're kind
of joking back and forth, but you know what it's
like in our business. If someone wants you to work,
consider yourself fortunate.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah, and then go work. Yeah, go do it. Go
do the job. I'm not coming back.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
You do job best you can and hope they want
to keep you around.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Oh, you do the fantastic work on all of them.
So we've got plenty to discuss around the Jaguars, of course,
new leadership across the board three pronged approach with Tony
Basselli is the executive vice president handling everything outside of
picking players. Well, he might be involved in that too.
But there's a GM in Gladstone who's thirty four. Liam

(00:58):
Cohen's thirty nine years old. Youth movement is here in Jacksonville. Yeah,
it really is.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
And I like how you described him with a three
pronged approach, and it certainly sounds like that's how it
is set up. And having Tony Basselli back involved, I
think it's just a home run for the Jacksonville franchise.
And this is something he really wants to do. Oh yeah,
you know, and when you see that and you hear
that the passion that he's going to bring to this

(01:22):
job because this man loves the Jaguars, he loves the organization.
He wants to be part of a group that gets
them back to where things were when he was rolling
out there. So yeah, I really like where they're going.
I don't know James Gladstone as well as I hope
to down and down the road and kind of Liam
Cohen I was able to meet last year as the

(01:44):
offense coordinator of the Buccaneers, and I could not have
been more impressed. I came away from that one going
whoa first time I'd ever met him and spent time
with him, and I was juiced coming out of there.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
I be interesting. See obviously he did great work in
Tampa with Baker. Yeah, that's the idea with Trevor right, Okay,
work this offense around him. There's six years left in
his contract. Yeah, Trevor's not going anywhere. We get him going.
And that's the number one priority for this team is Trevor.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
It certainly is. And typically when you take these jobs
of Ben Johnson to the Chicago job, because Kayleb Williams
was there, so he knows what his priority is, and
Kayla Williams needs to know what his priority is is
to meet Ben Johnson, you know, not just halfway, but
be all in with him. I would say that's the
same thing for Trevor Lawrence. And you know, I don't
know Trevor as well as others, right, I'd know him

(02:32):
well enough that he's a very nice young man and
his talent is you know, there's a reason he went
number one in the draft. They didn't just like his hair. Okay,
he could play, but he also is at that point
in his career where he really needs to to hit it,
like he really needs that whatever Liam Cohen is bringing,
whatever he's going to bring to the table, they need

(02:53):
to be successful together for Trevor Lawrence to have the
career that we're expecting him to have because it's still
out there for him, but you can't keep waiting for it.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Charles, you mentioned that you don't know James Ladstone. I
don't know anybody that knows. You know, it's just tough.
That's how some of these guys I've heard, I've.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Heard so many good things, and they move up.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
These organizations and you never hear them talk. You don't
know those guys are also they're a GM.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, And and part of that is the good organizations
make sure that they have that one consistent voice. I
don't think it's as as how would we say it
like in college, where it's like there is one voice.
If I hear one other voice, everybody's gonna They're gonna
be else or everyone's gonna lose. I don't think it's

(03:37):
quite like that. But at the same time, you want
a unified organization, you're gonna defer. The good ones will
defer to their GM, to their head coach, whoever.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
It is.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
That sort of a deal. But from everything I understand
about him, you know he's been less needs right hand
for ages and has been groomed for this and has
absorbed it and been involved in the whole thing and
was raised up the ladder and less spoke up for
him when he thought he was ready, not just hey,
I got a guy when he thought it was time
he was ready to speak up for him. Is what

(04:07):
I've been told on this, and let me tell you
some Let's need and bleep those picks is maybe the
most misunderstood chapter we've had in recent NFL history, because
he knew what he was doing in the short term,
but at the same time he had a long term strategy.
And we've had what one losing season after bleep those
picks and everything else has just been contending or going

(04:30):
to the playoffs. Come on, let need knows what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
They're hitting all the picks that they did have remaining.
Oh yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, but these picks now they've used them quite well.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Huge. Charles Davis with us from everything he does everything
in the NFL, including the combine this week, So give
us the strongest combine position group. What are you most
excited to see?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
I think you've probably heard it how many times you
want to say it together? Defensive Yeah, d line, right,
that's kind of where it goes. Plenty of offensive linemen,
a deep running back group, I believe always gonna be
a bunch of receivers, although maybe not as sexy at
the top. Again, amazingly enough. Right, so you have that

(05:20):
quarterbacks not the same as last year, but you have
two that that people are saying, Okay, they're probably gonna
go high for teams at need quarterbacks, and we're trying
to fare who the third quarterback is, right, is there
that third guy? Well, we'll see. It remains to be seeing.
Different teams have different flavors. This combine will help do it.
On the defensive side of the ball, corners in safety

(05:41):
is good group, but again not quite as sexy as
maybe we've had in the past. Linebackers good group, but
no one talks about linebackers have become running backs on
the defensive side of the ball, and then the defensive
front and edge rushers. I think, much more interior defensive
line than the edge guys. Although a dual carter might
make up for a pretty good number of people buy them.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
So it's pretty decent. He's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah one, Yeah, he could he could go number one,
depending on how Tennessee values things. Depending on what kind
of offer Tennessee might get, someone might come up to
go get him as opposed to a quarterback. So there's
there's a lot of that that goes along with it.
But yeah, and even if he doesn't go number one,
he might be the best player in this draft, you know, him,

(06:24):
Travis Hunt, depend on how you want to look at it,
but they would be vying for that. Like remember when
jay Len Carter was the best player in the draft
but got in trouble but we were here.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, that's right, but.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
It all came down here and that led to him sliding.
I'm doing Joey Triboni air quote, sliding to nine.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
And look at him now, right, he's doing just fun.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
I think he's doing pretty darn but he's really good.
I mean, just think he barely comes off the field
at that size. I watched him in a Divisional against
the Rams when the Rams had that last drive that
could have changed the whole balance of power and on
third down they gets a setting. On fourth down, he
affects the throw and Philadelphia escapes and goes home. The
best game that they had in the playoffs, the toughest

(07:06):
game they had was that game of the Rams.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Love that. Charles, Who are the Jaguars picking at number five?

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Oh, that's a great question. I know you're gonna ask
me something like that. That's a really great question. I know.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
That's why I asked her.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, I know, I know, well, I know you have
an answer. I don't have an answer. I think that
for them. You know, obviously I have no idea. But
where James Gladstone wants to go with this, I have
no idea where the organization wants to go. But you're
looking at a group that I don't know that there's
anywhere you go that you don't have an opportunity to
say he's so the trite answer is best player available. Okay,

(07:42):
who's on your board? That's the best player available? Who
do you go get? But you've got to find a
way to get Trevor kickstarted. It's got to be someone
who can give him something. Do you have a receiver
that's so dynamic like a Jamar Chase that you turned
down the best off it's to tackle.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
It's tough.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Do you think Will Campbell is that guy at LSU
people talk about arm length that maybe they move him
inside other people. No, no, no, no, he'd be fine. Rashaun Slater,
armlength isn't that great, but boy, no one, no, one's
Bob Bothering Slater at left tackle. So this is these
are the types of questions that are going to come up.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
And we just talked about this.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
But to me, to me, everything is about Trevor. But
I'm also having the conversation Trevor, you're coming along for
this right, like you're all in right because I gotta
have you.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
We just talked about with similar conversation with Bucky earlier.
And Okay, maybe there's a receiver there or somebody that
can help score points. Yeah, but at some point to
build the offensive line, like they've talked about, you have
to make picks to build the offensive line.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, it does it. Talking about doesn't quite get it
done right. And Cincinnati, the thing we have to remember
is when Cincinnati decided to go Jamar Chase, Joana Williams
was there on the roster and they decided that was
going to work for us. Who's your left tackle right
now with it? Walker Little?

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Okay, so Walker Little's your left tackle right now? Will
James Gladstone and group believe he is the left tackle
And if so, maybe you don't have to do that.
And I don't know if you're drafting Will Campbell and
just automatically making him a guard, maybe because he's pretty
darn good. Like the Titans took Peter Scronsky at seven
and made him a guard right away. We're not even

(09:26):
batting an eye anymore. How much money did the Panthers
spend last year on the two guards of a free agency,
Robert Hunt and Damian Yeah, a lot of money. But
guess what they feel comfortable with those guys now, and
they have those big, strong people in front of their
short quarterback, and the short quarterback play pretty well down stretch.
They're hoping to continue to see that growth. But that's

(09:47):
the old Sean Peyton model. That's how he did it
with Drew Brees and those guys in New Orleans help
to have success for Drew.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Last thought with you to get you out of here.
I know you're busy, been busy all day. Gladstone has
said it, Liam Cohen said it. This is not a
four win roster. Do you believe that.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
You've seen me around your squad for the last two
three years. I am as much surprised as anyone that
the last two years have gone the way they've gone.
I really have no answer for it. I'm not close enough.
But I just know that two years ago my broadcast
crew we were with Jacksonville a decent amount because we

(10:26):
were expecting yeah, and it didn't happen. And then last
year justle was we didn't see them, We didn't see it.
But I thought last year was a chance for a
bounce back. Yere, it just didn't happen. There's talent there,
but you know how it goes to when things start
to go south and and the losing kicks in, sometimes

(10:47):
it's really hard to dig out of it, depending on
who your leadership is, how people handle things. Do people
believe the coach is going to be around, because that's
a big one because once a team Blavez coach isn't
going to be around. Good luck with that.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
It's hard to get that back.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
And I think I got the vibe that they thought
he was gone way earlier than it ever happened. So
you weren't getting anything out of them. You weren't getting
them back last right.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
You see the NFLPA rankings, they they've said that pretty
much in the coaching part of it.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Really, yeah, I didn't see that.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Right it came out today, I think, oh wow.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
So you know, hey, those things can be valuable if
you go and take a look at as an organization,
but fresh start yet again. Wish everyone luck there because
I don't mind coming to see the Jacksonville Jaguars. That's
an easy drive for me. Plus, you know, I like
the people, I like the organization. It'd be a lot
of fun to see them back playing. Well.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
It's always a lot of fun to spend time with you. Charles.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Thank you, sir. Great to see you.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Thanks for you. I have a great day. I know
you're worn out today. You're the star of the show that.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Could be out somewhere breaking rocks, you know, right, Yeah,
you and I are sitting here talking ball. How bad
any air conditioning? Right? Because anyone who's watching us, they're like,
oh really, it's that tough. And believe me, folks, we understand.
We work in the toy department. We get it.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Charles Davis, NFL on CBS, NFL Media. You'll see when
the Combine covers this week, sirius XM Radio. And that's
it from the Combine at Indy JP Shadwick with Mark Cross,
NFL media analysts. Good to see you again.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Good to be seeing, good to be back for I
don't know, twenty seven to twenty eight of these, I don't,
I lose track, it's that many. Yeah, I think my
first one was in nineteen ninety seven and a little
different times, well, completely different, I mean is back then
we just kind of and get our work done, get
out of here. Now it's just all the media and
the setups and fans here and all of that.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
And it's going to keep getting worse too. Yeah, and
hopefully it stays in Indy. That's always kind of the talk.
Is going to get sold somewhere else and the highest bidder.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Yeah, this is the perfect It is there, it really is,
and of course they want to move it, generate more.
But for the working people, for everybody, this is the spot,
you know.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
And there's an argument to be made that the working
part of it, the scouting part of it, but hey,
you know you could do a lot GPS wise now.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Yeah, this is all the scouting and the secondary This
is all media that now built around some guys running
around on the field.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Let's cuss your thoughts on the Jaguars organization. Mister Kahn,
the Jags owner, has made more changes coaching. GM are
out and now here's Liam Cohen in from Tampa Bay.
Here's James Gladstone, a thirty four year old general manager,
and here's Tony Boselli as the executive vice president of
football operations. Over your years in personnel departments and such,

(13:35):
I'm sure you've seen a number of different setups. How
does this one compare and why could this be the
one that works? Could?

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Could it could be the one that works? Well, let's
say let's start with that. Then youth brings about and
I'm all for youth. I started in the in the
NFL young, I was twenty three years old, became a
director of twenty eight, So youth, I'm all for that.
So this could be you know, new fresh ideas, guys
that have been at winning organizations and working together with
the same vision and goal. That's why it could work

(14:05):
because it seems as if, okay, these two young guys
know the pressures on, know how to work together to
build consistency. What I think that's really what the Jacksonville
is looking for is some sort of consistency and not
every couple of years we have change.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
How it's been really for the last thirteen years especially,
and that's got to stop at some point. What do
you like about Liam Cohen as an offensive mind.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
Yeah, he did a lot of good stuff with Bake.
I mean when you watch you know, you can watch
certain offenses in the league and it's quarterback driven, and
it's a lot because what the quarterback does to make
the offense great. But when I watched Tampa, he did
a lot of neat stuff and you're and and put
Baker in positions to succeed and uh so just a
lot of I just they were fun. They were fun
to watch the stuff he did and always seems as

(14:52):
if he had an answer to what the defense was doing.
So they definitely were every every week watching Tampa's like, okay,
we're going to see some points and going to see
something innovative here.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
I'm excited to see what the next step is for
Trevor Lawrence. I think everybody is, you know, because he
obviously was the number one pick and was one of
the highest read prospects in a long time and has
the talent to do a lot of things, just hasn't
been able to live up to that. Year over year.
It was ascending a little bit and then it's gone
away and now another change on offense. But he's under
contract for six more years. He's gonna be a Jaguar, right,

(15:25):
He's getting his money. How do you make the most
out of Trevor? And what are your thoughts on the quarterback?

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, I mean it's really he comes down to when
I watched Trevor, it's it's him, you know. I mean,
there's talent around him. He has to just iron out
the inconsistencies. I mean, that's going to be the word
of the day, well not the word of the day,
but our of our discussion here is just the inconsistencies
of the Jags organization and the inconsistencies of Trevor Lawrence

(15:51):
where you see the flash. And I think that's one
thing that people missed in the evaluation draft, evaluation process
of Trevor. And I was kind of on a boat
of my own where I did not think he was
this generational prospect and there were major concerns that I had,
and that the concerns I've seen them with him there.
It's just you've guys seen him spray balls and you've

(16:14):
seen him not see people, and it's it's that consistency
with the vision, the accuracy, the playmaking, and crucial situations
that he has to get to and of course his
playmaking group and the old line everybody has to get.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Better with that.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
But I think the more Liam can get out of Trevor,
then everything else will flow from that.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
You know. I've also seen a lot of drop passes
yeah for his receivers too.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
Brian Thomas not throwing other people, yeah, and he didn't
really do that this year.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
That's the other part of this thing. All the balls
to Brian Thomas, Caper mac Jones, right, So at some
point they've got to get together. And that's a great
opportunity for a quarterback to get on track when you
have a guy like Brian Thomas junior. And the way
he ascended is the season went on spectacular.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yeah. I during the draft process, I had Marvin one,
and then I had Ryan and and Elk and the
league right right right behind neck and neck. When I
watched LSU tape is like you go back and forth,
like which one of these guys I like better, so
that it's not a surprise at all that Brian Thomas
and then just watching him weekend and week out, like, man,
this guy is fantastic, as you guys see, and ain't

(17:16):
getting involved more. You know those jet sweeps you ran like,
he didn't do that stuff at Lshu. That was malite
that did all that stuff. So it even opened up
more of his bag of what he could do. And
I think there's even more ascension for him and more
talent that he's just going to explode. Schaguars defense was
right near the bottom in most every metric last year
and they've made changes there certainly, and they can make

(17:41):
a whole lot more on the personnel side, like the
middle of the defense, the D line, there was inconsistent
linebacker play.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
And the safety play. When you're bad up the middle,
it's just tough to be a good defense.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Yeah, Yeah, there's just a lot of holes there, not
just up the middle, but even on the edges and
the consistent pressure and yeah, it was just again, you
gotta get better players in there. You gotta draft better,
you gotta make better free signings. And it then from that,
the it'll it'll grow. You hope, it'll be more stable

(18:12):
and you'll get better. And so there is hope. There
is hope because you know that Eagles d that what
they've done and put together over a year. You know
they were struggling last year and then they put it
together and had a fantastic year. So it seems as
if their pieces are there for the Jags to make
a run, and especially with that division. But it just
has to they have to make the right decisions and

(18:32):
have some consistencies.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Trayvon Walker had ten sax agon last year. Where were
you originally on that number one overall pick being Trayvon
instead of Hutchinson and what have you? What do you
like or not like about Trayvon's definitely was on the
hutch train on that one. A lot of people.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
Yeah, I think maybe the Jags might have been the
only ones not But you know, I think Trayvon has
been good and the numbers kind of may not. I don't,
but I don't watch them, and so you know, he's
he's really up there just wrecking Havoc all the time.
You know, there's those flashes and he makes some good
plays here and there. But as far as okay, every

(19:09):
game we have to account for treybon Walker and double
him and chip him and all that, I still don't
see that. I like the energy, I like the toughness,
I like, you know, the second effort and all that.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Stuff.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
But as far as an elite guy, I still don't
see that in him.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, a pure edge pass rusher is not him and
I'd hate to have to block him all game because
he's a big, physical.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Yah h yeah, you love that and uh, now, just
get some other pieces so that he doesn't have to
be that that guy.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Let's talk about some of these other pieces. NFL Draft
coming up. Jaguars have the fifth pick. Uh do you do.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
Mock drafts like No I's three thousand mock draft. That's
one of the great the things we talked about things
changing back in the day was you know, one mock
draft the USA today had theirs and then uh Bushbomb,
there was like a couple and now I was like, okay,
here's more. Where now there's I mean, everybody has a
mock saying how many.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Money you can do a mock draft for twenty six draft?
Right now. I don't know how people do that. I don't.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
It's you picked this one seven round mock drafts and stuff.
It's it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
What I was gonna ask you, who the Jags picking
it five or have you really even thought, yeah, I
don't the best player they should pick the pick the
best player available.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
Well, you just have to look at the landscape. Okay,
they're not picking a running back. Uh, they're not going
to pick They're not going to pick a receiver because
I don't there. They've got a bunch there. And and then okay,
do we need O line as an O lineman that
worth that?

Speaker 1 (20:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Okay, corners, a great group of corners need some help
there as you mentioned, Uh, some some intriguing D line
type of players. So you know, whoever falls there with
the best value, the BET's who, that's who they should
take the new era here with the Jags as far
as take a great football player.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Love it. What's the rest of your day? Look like?
This was my last interview?

Speaker 4 (20:55):
I think so yeah, this is my last interview and
got a meeting with the network and maybe hit happy hour.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
I don't know. I might see you there, may maybe not.
Who knows? Mark, thanks a lot man. Mark cross Winning
is from NFL Media Here at the Combine from the
NFL Scouting Combine and Indianapolis JP Shadwick with Mike Tannenbaum,
former Jets GM and front office insider for ESPN. Great
to see you, How are you good? To be with you. JP. Yeah,
busy day for you, busy week here at the NFL

(21:23):
Scouting Combine. Busy a couple months for the Jacksonville Jaguars
yet again, another offseason of change and really a three
prong front office now head coach, the GM, and EVP
of football operations in Boselli. Is that is that the
right way to go about it? I mean, there's different
ways to go about it and have winning results, but

(21:44):
this is one it feels like that mister conn has
not tried yet. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:48):
Actually, Irockily, I've been part of two different structures. I
was the GM of the Jets. I was Executive VP
of for operations for the Dolphins, and there's pros and
cons to both. I think Tony Bocelli will do a
great job. These jobs have become much more vast, much
more complicated when you think about sports performance data, things
like that, analytics, So there's a lot to the job.

(22:10):
You know, the salary cap is now two hundred and
seventy five million dollars, having somebody on top of that
all the time, not to say that they had it
in the past, but I could see, you know, league wide,
if we're sitting here three to five years, JP that
more teams would be doing it right.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
James Gladstone, thirty four years of age, director of Scouting
Strategy for the Rams under less snead there for nine years,
kind of worked his way up in that organization. What
do you know about James? I mean, because it's not
like everybody, He's not a household name.

Speaker 5 (22:39):
Yeah, yeah, you know, to be I don't know a
lot about him, but you know, to be with an
organization for nine years and move up, that says a
lot about him. Obviously, coming from an organization that has
a lot of success and more fundamentally, more so than
what anybody else thinks, Like Liam Conan had been with
him in the trenches, so obviously there must be a
lot of trust there.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Right. What's the the biggest roadblock something ahead that might
trip up a young GM and his first opportunity. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
I ran it to a young GM this morning and
we had a very similar conversation. I was the assistant
GM of the New York Jets for five years, and
when I became the GM, I had no idea what
I was getting myself into. So I can't even imagine
the guys that have to actually go to a new organization.
You just unless you sit in the sea, it's hard
to understand. But five things could come up about you know,

(23:29):
the West Coast scout doesn't like his title, or you
know the budget was X but it's going to be
why and your best player's you know, wife is pissed about,
you know, not having the right parking spot, and you
know you have to do a one on one with
you know, the in house media people, and the owner
wants to know what's going on today, and you know
that's before nine am, like so, and you want to

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come in and watch film and start building your strategy.
And you know two people in your building are leaving unexpectedly,
and that's just running an organization.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
What's wrong with the in house media people? Come on, Mike,
what are we talking about here? Come on, man, of course,
Mike danim on from ESPN Liam Cohen, and I guess
it's a pretty good sign when a head coach now
but an assistant before had been to a college team,
went to a pro team, went back to the same
college team, same head coach, and then went back to

(24:20):
the same pro team again. In the Rams, it means
that he kind of left things in a right spot.
If he's leaving an organization. Going back twice, what is
your understanding of how Cohen goes about his business on
a day to day basis.

Speaker 5 (24:33):
Yeah, well, look, as a umask, I have a big
Lion Cone fan. You are so uh Look, I think
at the end of the day, you could look at
what they did on the offense last year in Tampa.
They were tough, they ran the ball, Baker Mayfield got better,
and I'm sure you know, from an ownership perspective, they're saying, Hey,
you know Trevor Lawrence, as you know, we could argue
has he been a B B minus? He hasn't been

(24:55):
what everyone thinks and hopes he can be. And I'm
sure a lot of the lens of like, hey, look
at what Lee and Cohne did with Baker Mayfield, Imagine
what he could do with Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
You know. And a lot of that, though, was injury induced.
In Tampa last year, they had to shift to the
running game and figure it out. Wide receivers are heard,
how do they adjust? And obviously it worked out well.
But on Trevor's part of it, he's been injured a
lot too. He hasn't been on the field. Some of
that is his own doing with head first diving, and
you got to coach him a little, you know, maybe

(25:24):
from himself a little bit. A lot of that's the
offensive line. There's a lot to be built on the
offense here in Jacksonville. Where would you begin if you're
crafting it around Trevor the holes on Jacksonville's offense.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
Yeah, that's easy. It's it's upfront. My first draft is GM.
We drafted to Berkershaw, Ferguson, Nick Mangold, and they were
foundational players for the next decade. And you know, you
show me a good offensive line' let'll show you good offense.
You know, we could talk about Jalen Hurts and how
he was a second round pick. It all starts upfront
with them, with Jordan Malatta and company. So you know,
to me, it would be the offensive line. The offensive line.

(25:57):
The offensive line. I thought, you know, Brian Thomas, good player.
You know they have some your weapons there. But until
they get the offensive line solid fide, none of that's
gonna matter.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
You know, we've been talking about different players at number five. Oh,
could it be the guy from Colorado? Could it be
the defensive tackle all this, But if you're gonna build
the offensive line, you gotta just build it, you know,
no matter. At some point you've got to start picking
these guys early in drafts.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
Yeah, that's the wild Campbell's of the world and the
Banks from Texas, like you know, Josh Simmons from Ohio say,
I think some people will have him in that conversation.
But you get a building block up front. That's a
great place to start. You know, you could look at
what if there was a similarity to the Chargers, you
know they had Herbert Jacksonville has Lawrence Harbrough comes in.
You know, they take all which was a pretty you know,

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you can kind of see that coming. And you know,
Joe All should be a long time player for them.
And likewise, with Lie and Cohen coming in, you know,
go get, go, get you know, a foundational offensive lineman.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
All right, give us an AFC South picture of front
office stability right now, Let's go through the teams, if
you will, Uh, because Arie and Houston and what they've
built down there seems to be pretty good.

Speaker 5 (27:03):
Yeah, they hit a grand slam when you think about
Damico Ryans and look CJ. Stroud, maybe took a little
bit of step back, but they should have tremendous stability
between you know, Nick and Dimico for years to come.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Indy they got questions at quarterback and Chris Ballor has
been around here for a little bit. Now where's what's
the status in Indie?

Speaker 5 (27:21):
Yeah, I think the big question is who's competing with
Anthony Richardson. You know, are you bringing in Gardner Minshew
or are you trying to go out and get Matthew
Stafford or Kirk Cousins Because you know, the quarterback position,
you know, it doesn't develop in a straight line, but
it's really important that you know, at the end of
the day, like they get winning quarterback play.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
In Tennessee, a new world, Chad Brinker has the final
say according to the owner, and Mike Borganzi, there's the
GM and a couple of layers there.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
In Nashville, it all comes down to Will Levis.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
You know how well he plays.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
And I think if I'm you know, Tennessee, I'm the
juxtaposition of cam Wards Door Sanders against what Will loves
could be.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
And then in Jacksonville, of course we know the new
world here thirty third teams going pretty well you guys
are involved in the Jets search.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
Yeah, yeah, that was a great opportunity for us. Learned
a lot and hopefully, you know, we help them make
some really good decisions.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Final thought with you here, who will the Jaguars pick
at number five?

Speaker 5 (28:17):
Yeah, I'll go back to your the best offensive lineman available,
you know, maybe that's Will Campbell. You know, again, get
a foundational offensive lineman that'll make everything better.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Thanks, Mike, appreciate you, Thank you, appreciate Youake Tannonbaum, front
office insider with ESPN from the NFL scouting Combine and
Indianapolis j P Shadwick with Greg co Sell of NFL
Films and NFL matchup. Always a pleasure. I feel like
Combine is the place where we always get together.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
I know, I feel like the super Bowl just happened yesterday.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
We'll just wait until they move that back.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Away, I know. God, yeah, I think the super Bowl
will be July fourth soon.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Right right right into the off season for our.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Memorial Day weekend, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Amazing change in Jacksonville. We've heard that before. Yeah, it's
happened a good bit over the last fifteen years or so.
But now the three headed front office here, Liam Cohen,
the head coach, James Gladstone, the GM. Tony Bisselli is
in there as the EVP.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
You remember when I interviewed Tony Bisselli and Mark Brunell
as players years and years ago in Jacksonville, and Jimmy
Smith and Keenan McCardell and Jeff Lagerman. Yeah, us, yeah, yeah,
when I was dead this guy, Hey, you know, Tony Bisselli.
I thought, you know, it's obviously he didn't make the
Hall of Fame, but I always thought that Tony Bisselli

(29:37):
and I don't fancy myself an offensive line guru, but
I thought he was the best left tackle that i'd seen,
you know, since Anthony Munos. And it's just a shame
that his career was cut short. He was for a
guy who was that big. It looked like his waist
was like thirty one inches, you know, I mean, it
was unbelievable. It still looks that way.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Well for a while, doesn't. Okay, another story. Did you
hear he blocked Bruce Smith in a game. We've heard that.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
A lot, you know what, I'm familiar with that, ok Yeah,
we heard right right right right every week? See the
thing is I've been around long enough to have actually
seen that.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, yeah, funny. All right, so let's get into Liam Cohen,
and you know, we know the how it all kind
of went down, the process of the interviews, that's all
in the rear view. Now he's here his impact last
year in Tampa Bay with that offense in Baker Mayfield.
They had some injuries last year receiver and they started.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
To run the football they did, and well.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
So that helps obviously the quarterback a good bit. What
stood out the most about their offense and Liam and
what he put in there.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Well, it's funny you say the run game because obviously
most people know that he cut his teeth a bit
with the Rams. He actually was at Kentucky the year
that Will Levis had a terrific season at Kentucky. So
but what struck me about the Bucks run game last
year was how multiple it was. Because you know, everybody assumes, hey,

(31:04):
he was with the Rams, so it's the zone run game,
you know, the McVeigh run game. But I thought they
did a really really good job with the multiplicity of
the run game and the way they got to base run.

Speaker 6 (31:17):
See.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
The main thing in the run game there's not a
thousand run concepts, so it's really how you get to them.
It's funny. I had this conversation with a coach this
morning because and I even asked him. I said, you know,
you hear people say so and so it's a really
good run game. Coach, like, what does that mean? You
know you're a defensive guy, what does that mean? And
you know, he talked about how teams get to runs, formations, motions,

(31:41):
you know, misdirection looks, you know, but the then when
the run happens, Like I said, there's not a thousand
of them.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
There's only a few holes there. We got to hit
one of them.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, you know, there's their zone concepts, there's gap scheme concepts,
there's you know, duo, there's you know, there's not there's
not so many concepts. So it's how you get to them.
Do you use a lot of motion? Do you get
to them in semi unconventional ways? You know? And I
thought Liam Cohen did a really really good job of
that last year because the reality is Bucky Irving is

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one hundred ninety five pounds, so you know, you have
to find ways where you're not just running him up
into the line of scrimmage, you know, So I just
thought that, you know, most people probably think of Liam
Cohen pass game, Rams McVeigh, what he did with Will Levis.
You know, I'm sure that's all been documented, you know,
in Jacksonville. But you know, the run game I found

(32:31):
to be really fascinating, and.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Then Baker off the run game.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Yeah, there's you know, the play action element, which you know,
I'm a believer, you know again, you know, maybe it's
my personal point of view, but I'm a believer in
under center play action. And the reason I am is
because it takes longer to get to the mesh point.
Because what are you trying to do with play action.

(32:55):
You're trying to cause indecision and conflict for players is
on defense that have both a run and a pass responsibility.
So the longer that you can create that indecision and conflict,
to me, is better. Whereas shotgun runs. I'm not saying
you should never have a shotgun run game, but it's

(33:16):
so quick, it's so quick sense there's there's almost really
no indecision and conflict that's presented to those players. So
I'm a big believer in the under center what I
call the conventional play action pass game, and I think
you'll see that Greg.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Co Sell with U NFL Films. Trevor Lawrence has six
years left on his.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Contract, which I had six years left on my contract.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, so he's here, He's gonna be here.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
He's the Oh no, he's the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah yeah, what did you what what stood out the
most during the pre draft process about him? That you remember,
where has he met some of those criteria and where
has he lacked? And you know what's.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
I can remember the pre draft process very well because
it was not his fault that people started saying he's
a generational player. I would never use that term about
anybody that's never played in the NFL. That's not his fault.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Clearly the best quarterback of that draft.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Though I'm trying to remember who was in that draft.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Would have been look it up because we were just
thinking about number one.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Well, the point is is there were a couple of
things I thought that he needed to clearly work on
when he got to the next level. He's a big,
long kid, so he's a strider, okay, and guys who
were striders, I always think about how they're going to
function in squeezed pockets, which you see far more of

(34:45):
in the NFL than in college. I actually remember talking
to a coach who was in the NFL at the
time he's not now, who had done you know, he
was a quarterback coach, so he had done all the quarterbacks,
and he had said that there was so much in
the Clemson offense that was just not really NFL stuff
that it was hard in some ways to really get

(35:08):
a feel for some of the things you knew he
would have to do in the league. He didn't make
many throws at Clemson where there were squeeze pockets. Now,
I watched probably ten games his last year, and I
think I even watched some of his tape the year
before because I'm trying to find those plays. And because
he's such a strider, there were times I thought that

(35:28):
the few times that he did face squeeze pockets, that
he would hurry himself because he's a strider. You know,
he's not the kind of guy. He's not compact, and
he needs space, so he would hurry himself and that
would lead to a little bit of inaccuracy, less than
precise ball location. So I always thought that that was
something that I'd be very curious to see in the NFL.

(35:51):
And I think he has a good arm. But I
remember talking to a coach who coached him, he was
on staff in Jacksonville, and he said, you know, he's
got a good arm, but he does not have a
big arm. And I remember saying that a couple of
years ago, and of course on social media people acted
like I didn't know anything, and I felt like saying, yeah,
a guy who coached told me that. So I didn't

(36:11):
say that, but I mean, you know that's you know
how that goes, you know, yeah, no, no, no, So,
so I mean he's got he can you know. The
other the other phrase I love and which means nothing
to me, is well he can make all the throws. Well,
that's not necessarily true. I'm not saying this about Trevor,
but you know people say that about guys. Did you

(36:34):
ever notice they say that about guys who can't make
all the throws? You never hear someone say Matthew Stafford
can make all the throws. Because Matthew Stafford can make
all the it's like not even a question. It is
what it is. It's the guys that can't make all
all the throat. Right, it's the guys that have arms
that are not quite there that people say, well, he

(36:55):
can make all the throat. Well, no he can't, or
you wouldn't have to say that, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Other quarterbacks in that draft class, by the way, Zach Wilson,
Trey Lance right, justin fields.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
He was the best quarterback in the draft class. Mac Jones. Yeah,
he was the best quarterback in the draft class. And
I'm not sure there was a question. I mean, Zach
Wilson probably had a stronger arm, but he wasn't as
good a quarterback prospect overall.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Greg go Sell with us NFL Films Brian Thomas Jr.
As the season went along, loved him. They didn't throw
him the football the first time.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Well, it's funny because you know what I said in
my evaluation of him. I said, because obviously played with
Malik Neighbors, who was the bigger prospect, and obviously Mylik
Neighbors turned out to be very good as well. But
I said that Brian Thomas would be an as sending
player and he'd get better as he played in the league.
So that's the way I felt watching his tape, and
obviously it worked out that way, you know. And he

(37:49):
worked with TJ. Houschman Za. I don't know if you
knew that. Yeah, And I know TJ well, and we
talked about him last year at the Combine. And TJ,
who I respect greatly, obviously knows more about the receiver
position than I do. He said to me, said, you
watch Brian Thomas. I'm working with him. This kid's going
to be special. So when he told me that, you know,
that even raised my belief that, you know, this kid's

(38:10):
going to be a really good pro quickly.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
A lot of his touches came from mac Jones at
the end of the sea. Yeah, he's got to get
on the same page.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
For well, you know that's got an off season now
for that with a new coach. I mean, you know,
that's the way it.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Works, how I mean, this is going to be the
third offense in the NFL for Trevor. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
And and and by the way, that's an issue, you know,
because every time you have to learn a new offense,
it's like learning a new language. I mean, I've had
coaches tell me that, you know, you know, you come
in a coach coaches, he's teaching you French. If that
coach gets fired the next year, you have to learn Spanish.
Then if he gets fired the next year, you got
to learn German. And you know, people just assume that
that stuff's easy because the concepts are not necessarily totally different.

(38:48):
You know, in some cases they're the same, but the
presentation of them is totally different.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
You got to establish This is what they're establishing now, right,
all the coaches just fired. They're having staff meetings here
at the Combined or to work.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Who's who's the o C Grant Yudinsky was with the
younger right twenty nine? Yeah, you all right, you know,
and I have no problem. I mean, well, let me
put it this way. Who's the quarterback coach? You know?

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Whipple? Spencer Whipple?

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Was he the son of Mark Whipple, the old I believe,
so okay, yeah, he might be young too.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
They are all young.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
It'll be interesting to see how that works, you know,
we'll see how that all works out.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yeah, it's it'll be fascinating to see. Let's go through
the AFC South quarterback situations quickly before we get out of.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Here, and there was only one that's really good Houston, right, Yeah,
Jacksonville's not really good. No, I mean of the other teams. Okay, yeah,
you were saying the AFC. We just finished talking. I
assume we finished talking Jacksonville. So when you said AFC South,
I thought you meant Indy, Tennessee, and Houston.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Those are the teams in the South. Yeah, start with Houston.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Yeah, and they got out. They got a good quarterback.
I think he went through a little bit of a
learning process this year and figuring some things out, and
I think he will figure it out. He had to
play this year in his second year out of more
squeeze pockets than he did as a rookie, and he
started to play a little fast at times, and he
missed some routine throws which we never saw him miss
as a rookie. So I think he you know, he

(40:16):
went through a learning that's the nature of the NFL.
I mean it's not easy. So but he's a good player.
He's not going to be a bad player.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Here in Indye news this week that there's gonna be
a competition with Anthony Richardson, and I mean the competition
so far has been Richardson, is he going to be
on the field or not. He's been banged up, he's
been inconsistent when he's been out there. What's your fee
or your feel on Richardson's future.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
I'll answer it this way. I remember a number of
years ago at a Super Bowl having a great conversation
with Troy Aikman, and he said something that totally resonated
with me. And I've said it many times through the
years because it is one hundred percent true. And that
happens a lot. You know, someone a coach or a
player like Troy, who's obviously very smart, says something and

(41:01):
as soon as they say it, it's like, yeah, that's right,
but they say it in a way where it just,
you know, resonates in your brain til you've had that,
it just resonates differently. Yes, And he said to me,
you can do everything right as a quarterback, but if
you can't throw it where you want to, you've got nothing.
And unfortunately Anthony Richardson can't really throw it where he
wants to do. And I'm not trying to be funny, no,
he you know, same thing in Florida. Yeah, I mean

(41:23):
he just can't really throw it where he wants to
with enough consistency and regularity and obviously he's got a
running element, and the thought was that that could help
him as he grows into being a better quarterback.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
But he just.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Misses too many throws. I mean, when you design plays
and call plays and put it to game plan together
and you feel like, hey, we've got a really good
approach against this defense, We've got really good route concepts
against what we know we're going to face from such
and such a defense, and your quarterback just misses routine throws.

(41:57):
It's just too hard. And I don't know if that
can be fixed. Maybe it can, maybe. I mean, I'm
not a coach, I'm not with him every day, but
right now, you know you'd see him. You know, I
think I've watched every game he's played in the in
the league, and I think his last year at Florida,
I watched nine or ten of his games, and you know,

(42:18):
he'll make some throws that are truly wow throws. You
kind of go, oh my god, that's just a ridiculously
good ball. And that happens, you know, once every three weeks,
and it's just it's just not good enough. I mean,
and I'm look, Shane, I'm not saying anything out of
school here. Shane Steichen's pretty much said that it's not
good enough. That's why there's a quarterback on Petiuly, Yes,

(42:39):
it's not good enough.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
It's where they are. Yeah, that's where they are in
Tennessee right now too, Will Levis.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
And that's I mean, I think it's it's kind of unspoken,
but we all know that. I don't think Brian Callahan
thinks Levis is their answer. So they have the first
pick in the draft. You know, this is the beginning
of the process. We'll see do they keep it. If
they keep it, do they draft a quarterback? If they do,
they trade it, and who knows. We don't know the
answer to that, but I don't think I think they've

(43:06):
made it kind of clear without you know, putting up
a big sign that they preferred not Will Levitch to
be the starter.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Week one final thought with you Jaguars at number five,
who's the pick?

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Oh, I don't know who the pick is. Come on,
we gotta now, we gotta start walking through the roster.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Well, we got all day. We say, you're all day.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
I mean, I think they probably would look at corner,
you know, I don't know, you know, I don't know,
you know, where Travis Hunter gets drafted, and I like
Travis Hunter is a corner. I don't think he's the
level of prospect, for instance of Patrick's Ertan, but I
think he's a good corner prospect. I'm trying to think
of that.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Rodre are you on defensive tackles, Mason Graham, they need
some girl in the middle.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
You know.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
I had this conversation with his scout the other morning.
We had breakfast, and he's been a personnel director, college
pro he's been in the twenty six years, and we
had a great conversation about Mason Graham. Because I like
Mason Graham, but I don't love Mason Graham. And I
can and you know me well enough to know I
always have a reason. Doesn't mean, hey, I can be wrong,

(44:14):
you know, but I don't just say, oh, I don't
like a guy. There's a reason. Think about the best
d tackles in the NFL. They all have a power
element to their game. Mason Graham does not have a
higher level power element to his game. He's so much
fun to watch because he's a movement guy. He's quick,

(44:35):
he's explosive, he's he almost plays like a running back.
But there's not a big time power element to his game. Now,
he's a young kid. I hear, he's a great kid.
I'm not gonna sit here and say that in three
years he's not gonna be great. But right now I
don't see that, and that just I don't want to

(44:55):
say it worries me. But you know, I just the
great ones have power elements in their game.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Got to see you bull rusher guy, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
You got you know, you got to be able to
be the guy there. Yeah, yeah, you know, not constantly
work half a man and work around him and you know,
you know it was a.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Good power players Trayvon Walker, he's the one that, yes,
they are all the time.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
I mean, think of guys in your division. Just think
how country strong Jeffrey Simmons is. Yeah, I mean you
can just move people absolutely, yeah, I mean yeah, all right,
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
There's the answer.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Hey, so I have a reason. Maybe I'll be wrong.
You know, it wouldn't be the first time. And believe me,
if I'm wrong, I get told about it, you know.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Uh huh, just go on Twitter.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Yeah, people, Well I love when people tell me JP
that that's an interesting take. I don't really do takes.
You know, I watched I watched the tape. You know,
I worked seventy five hours a week watching tape. I
don't really do takes.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Greg, you're the best. All right, thanks for the time.
All right, Greg, here at the combine nnd JP Shadwick
with Ret Lewis of NFL Media. Let's go. It's been
a day for you. It's coming to a close. Thanks
for stuff and buy.

Speaker 7 (46:03):
Oh my pleasure man, love to talk some duvall and
uh and see what's going on and picked number five
and with a brand new power structure.

Speaker 6 (46:10):
I mean, there's so much to be excited about.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
You said it, right, Yeah about that, you know, but yes,
I gotta work on it with it.

Speaker 7 (46:17):
It's a yeah, I think we understand. But there's always
room to grow, you know, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
It's it is a new era, clearly three pronged new
era from the Jaguars, Tony Boselli, Gladstone, yeah, and of
course Liam Cohen. So let's start with Gladstone.

Speaker 7 (46:31):
Sure, what do you know about this guy other than
the Rams absolutely adored him and that he really you know,
kind of built his his own path there. And I
think that's, uh, that's to be commended. In this world
where a lot of people, you know, land on third base,
and I think they had a triple right, And this
feels like a guy who's obviously still you know, young
in his journey, but you know, it's been a rapid

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riser and I think has learned from some really savvy
people uh in Los Angeles and has learned you know,
in the last couple of years. Probably wouldn't impact just
pounding the draft with with big guys up front on
the defensive side of the ball, what that could do
for your fortunes and winning with you know, day two
and Day three picks, and it doesn't have to all
be about first rounders because as you know, sometimes you

(47:16):
got to have those picks.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
That's what they did, yeah, a little while, and then
but you got to hit the other picks for you
to do that, and that's that's also a job. Yeah,
you know, he's strouting all those guys exactly. So now
he's got his own job here now, Liam Cohen. You know,
it's a good sign if you've gone to a place
left and then get to go back to a place twice. Yeah,
he did that at Kentucky, he did that in La Yeah,

(47:39):
and then of course, had his own OC gig in
Tampa and got Baker going.

Speaker 6 (47:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
So now Liam Cohen a thirty nine year old head coach,
and you know what was it about last season in Tampa?
How did he turn Baker in that offense into what
they were? And can he replicated something like that here?

Speaker 6 (47:57):
Well, I think they got better run in the football.

Speaker 7 (47:59):
They were good running the football, and and I think
that that you know, obviously drafting and hitting on Bucky
Irving was was incredible to and and it kind of
felt like it brought the best out of Rashad White
at times too. So you know, if I'm Travis etn,
I probably feel pretty good about this, about the way
that that run game. And look, I think you know,
Liam probably also saw the benefit of a young Studeley

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offensive line. And you know, looking at the way that
the jack that the Jaguars have tried to kind of
fortify that group, and you know, whether you want to say,
couldn't get them get the most out of Cam Robinson,
you know, and now he's off in Minnesota or you know,
like and now can you find a way to retool
that group kind of in the way that that Tampa

(48:45):
had You know, right before Liam got there, and that
was one of, now one of the best.

Speaker 6 (48:48):
Units in the league.

Speaker 7 (48:49):
So I think, you know, continuing to fortify an offensive front,
finding backs that fit the way that you want to
run the football, committing to it. I mean, look at
Helps having a Hall of Famer in Mike Evans, you know,
and so you're building that profile with Brian Thomas and
what BTJ did as a rookie, I mean is extremely
attractive to me now in Liam's system, and.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Think about with with Brian most of his looks with
Mack Jones sort of the football late in the season
that wasn't early there was a one game three.

Speaker 7 (49:19):
Times right right, and yeah, early on it kind of
mimicked what we saw with Marvin Harrison, you know out
in Arizona, like it had you know, had some flashes,
but couldn't consistently.

Speaker 6 (49:28):
Get that that high level production.

Speaker 7 (49:30):
So I man, just just really intrigued there with with
where they're at. And I think, you know, obviously, anytime
you get an offensive minded head coach that comes in,
you know, makes you really intrigued what that first draft
pick is going to look like. But again, you know,
bringing James Gladstone in also, you know, kind of paints
a picture of what he kind of came up into
and how they work together. And this is a lengthy process,

(49:52):
right that. Yeah, and so it did not have you know,
kind of just happened upon this lightly. So it it
feels like they're going to have really solid bond in
relationship on what each fields they need to get this
team back to a consistent championship level.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Gladstone was what offered Friday, excepted Saturday and reduced Monday
in Jacksonville.

Speaker 7 (50:13):
Here we are here. Tuesday, he was here. It was
here again.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yeah, So it's one of those whirlwind moments. It certainly
it wasn't like the cleanest end of the season. Doug
Peterson gets fired and then they go through the first
round and then Balkey gets run out. So now we
are here. Welcome, Welcome to the table.

Speaker 6 (50:29):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Brett lewis with us in NFL media and the Baselli
part of this thing is intriguing too. Yeah, first ever
draft pick in team history. He's been a contributor to
the team media side for the last ten twelve years.
But I get a lot of stuff going on outside
the building too, and has to give it all up.
Because this is a dream opportunity for Bisselli to be
part of this process. And how much of it we'll

(50:51):
see as it goes. But hey, he's the EVP.

Speaker 7 (50:54):
And look, I think this is a this is the
guy that's obviously built a life in football and you know,
has been around when things were really good in Jacksonville,
and you know, knows what the potential of this franchise
can be when it gets back to that spot. And
then it's obviously seen it, you know, as you mentioned,

(51:16):
you know, whether it was on you know, Westwood calling
games or whether it was you know, when Tony was
up there, you know, in the booth, or you know,
has seen and stayed with trends that work in the league.
And I think that's obviously really important too. When you're
bringing back a legend, you know, is it a figurehead
or is it a guy who's actually still been connected
to the game.

Speaker 6 (51:34):
And that's obviously what you got in Tony.

Speaker 7 (51:36):
So you just added in another kick ass you know
football mind, Like let's go. You know, it's like that's
your I don't I don't say this comparison lightly, but
it's like you're you're Tom Brady almost you know with
the Raiders, like, why would you not knock down the
door and find out what Tony thinks about all these players,
about all these opportunities in the same way that the
Raiders are doing with Brady feels a little bit like

(51:56):
layaway with the Bronco.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Yeah, that happens. Yeah, almost a minister of culture if
we were in that would be his title. Let's get
to this draft now, and you know, well the Jags
are in the top five again, yep, yep, what it is.
We know the needs right defensive line, Yeah, safety, corner, interior,
O line. Are those stacked positions?

Speaker 7 (52:22):
D line certainly stands out the most. I imagine I'm
not the first person to sit in this seat and
say that, and I imagine I won't be the last,
although maybe, But I mean that group and and that
is that is a chance now for uh, for Jacksonville
to get the best player at the deepest positioning group,

(52:44):
deepest position in the draft, and that's Mason Grant from Michigan.
I'm sure you've heard that name a million times. It
would just it would make a ton of sense to me. Again,
you go back to the way, uh, and look, I
know this signed Eric Armstead and and you know, you
you try to tried finding ways to get in, you know,
to bring that group up. And you know you draft
obviously in Josh Allen and and and Treyvon Walker and

(53:08):
so it feels like you spend a lot of resources there, right,
But don't let that sway you from spending another big
one on a guy who could you know, again be
another ten year.

Speaker 6 (53:17):
Pro Bowl type player. Look at what the Eagles do?

Speaker 7 (53:20):
You know, we keep coming back to that as kind
of the north star of this draft process, considering they
just you know, won their second Super Bowl in five years,
and they keep they kept hammering up front, right, just
kept hammering away, both on the offensive end defensive runt,
but specifically on the defensive side of the wall, both
in the first round and then into even Day three
where they got Josh Sweat, Right. So I think that

(53:41):
is that is a formula that has proven time and
time again to work in this league.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
If Travis Hunter is there at five, though, can you
resist that?

Speaker 6 (53:51):
Do the Jaguars vieume as a defensive backers or receiver?

Speaker 7 (53:55):
I think is a big question there, right, you know,
because you just you know, again, you took a marquee
player with a marquee resource at at the receiver spot
a year ago, and he turned out to be a
pretty dang good player.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
And Brian Thomas, they traded back twice what yeah, twice
to get to him.

Speaker 7 (54:08):
Yeah, still got it and still ended up getting him.
I think if you view him as a defensive back
that it certainly fits because he will still help your offense.
I think if you view him as a receiver, I
find it harder to be a receiver and go spend
some time on defense than to be a dB and
spend some time on offense. So if they view Hi

(54:30):
as a receiver like the Browns do at number two one,
maybe he's not even on the on the board at
this point, but I would, I guess, feel a little
bit more comfortable with making him the pick. If it's
all right, we're gonna run him at dB and then
let's see what happens after that.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Yeah, I mean, you played college wide receiver. Can you
believe what this guy's doing? No, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 7 (54:46):
Yeah, I mean, like i'd get winded in a you know,
a sixty places scrimmage, much less playing one hundred and
twenty five. You know snaps in an actual game, so uh,
credit to him. Incredible athlete. I think you worry about
durability a little bit. He is a slender frame, but
most dudes don't touch him, you know. But again, you're
gonna have to get physical at corner, and so how
do you hold up on that front?

Speaker 6 (55:06):
And in this league? I think it's a question.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Let's finish up here with the offensive line, and the
Jaguars are pretty much set up at the tackles seems
like at least for the short term future left guard
has a contract center and right guard or veteran guys
who knows how long they're going to play, and the
eleventh year guys Mitch Morrison, Brandon Sheriff. So what about
interior offensive line in this draft? What what stands out

(55:29):
the most there? Where would you begin?

Speaker 7 (55:31):
Well, I think you're you're less unless you you pull
the trigger. It's at at five. I think you're gonna
miss on on Gray's Abel from North Dakota State, who
is probably the best interior offensive lineman in this draft.
Booker from Alabama is a is a good player too
at the guard spot. Is Abel, though, is probably the
best center in the draft. I think you can play anywhere,

(55:51):
and kind of helps you that way with his versatility.
I think further on down the line, i'd look at
a player like like Joonah Manheim from USC. Uh has
played all over the offensive line at USC but really
found a home at center. So I think that that
could be something day two, maybe later later on in
day two, that would make some sense there. I think

(56:12):
you had a pretty good Senior Bowl.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
That's the thing with this. With the Stakes team, they
don't have developmental lineman right now, guys that are on
the shelf waiting that they've been developing. So they need deep,
you know, later round guys to work on.

Speaker 7 (56:27):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. And look, it's hard. It's hard
in this this is not a developmental league like yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Better went back, yeah, exactly six years.

Speaker 6 (56:36):
It's it's it's hard to do that.

Speaker 7 (56:39):
But you know, I think you know, Kelvin Banks, you know,
could be you know, Nimbu from Missouri is a guy. Again,
these are first round type of players, so I think
you're gonna you'd be hard pressed there unless you're moving back,
you know, which could certainly happen.

Speaker 6 (56:53):
I just don't know.

Speaker 7 (56:53):
There's a ton of guys who want a ton of
teams who want to move up in this draft.

Speaker 6 (56:57):
Everyone's talking about trades.

Speaker 7 (56:58):
Only two quarterbacks, right, they really worthy of moving moving up?
What it would take to move up, or you're getting
a bargain moving up this year because you know the
class isn't quite what it was in recent years. So
I think it's a lot to kind of consider on
that front. But there are there are definitely interior offensive
linemen in this group, and there's definitely some that you're
gonna be able to find beyond Day one. Paths to

(57:18):
the Draft give us March Arny first. We're starting it up.
We got a big first week. We're gonna in week
one with Shredeor Sanders Pro Day from Colorado, so we'll
have that in addition to a path episode. We also
have Cam Wartz Pro Day coming up before Path starts,
so we got a lot of draft stuff hitting the
airwaves here and at NFL Media.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
You're true for man. Thanks to stop about it a
long day anytime, JAP think you about j P. Shadwick
was Cynthia Freeland, NFL media analytics expert. That's not all
you do. You have more roles than that.

Speaker 8 (57:51):
How are you I'm great, how are you well?

Speaker 9 (57:53):
I always forget like you, I should have you do
my like voicemail outgoing message like you say.

Speaker 8 (57:58):
My name perfectly.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
We can do that. I love that.

Speaker 9 (58:01):
And it's the problem is is I don't want those
random people who get your phone number to know it's
actually me, you know, so I have to keep this
the number one on there anyways, but I wish next
time I get one where it's like I'll get a
phone renewal.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
That's what happens to you're a big star. No, you
don't want no just in case.

Speaker 9 (58:18):
No, it's like random's who like are like I are like, hey,
can you get me tickets to the Super Bowl? I'm
like nope, I don't get to like are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Like?

Speaker 8 (58:27):
Sure, you know what, let me do.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
This, really make a phone called random person.

Speaker 9 (58:32):
That I haven't talked to since whatever? You know, So
I just never changed my phone number.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
So anyways, they come out of the woodwork. I hear
you another new world in Jacksonville three headed front office
now head coach GM and an EVP and Tony Boselli.
Is that the right approach is that too much? Is
it too little? What's the it's the approach they're going with.

Speaker 9 (58:53):
I kind of feel like, given the fact that like
you have a nice blend, like kind of like in
team building, you have a nice end of like established newer,
different thinkers, more legacy thinkers. So as long as they
understand whose job is what, and no one like how
do your vent diagrams overlap? Then who are we to

(59:13):
say it's not perfect? Because I think you should have
some like you know, like the gym's not the oldest
person in the world, you know, I don't think I'm
saying something crazy here before kind of a baby, you know, young,
not thirty four years of experience sometimes whatever. So look,
my point is is like it's nice to give him

(59:33):
twenty Bistelli who understands all of the different logistical aspects
that maybe he hasn't experienced James Glaston hasn't experienced yet
in his career.

Speaker 8 (59:40):
So I like that part.

Speaker 9 (59:42):
And then let the coach do his thing because I
kind of I kind of believe in that, like work
together and figure out who does what.

Speaker 8 (59:48):
But sure, I'm I'm here for it.

Speaker 9 (59:51):
Like if they think it's gonna work, great, you got
to give something to try, like might as well shake
it up, you know, like if it's if it's not working,
make it fit, make it how you want it.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
And mister has had all different types of setups for
a front office. He's had a veteran GM and a
veteran coach. He's had first time head coach with an EVP,
you know, and he's had all these different things. So
totally now he's going on the younger end of that
and give him an opportunity. So that's how it goes.

Speaker 9 (01:00:17):
I mean, you have a guy on your staff that's
from my high school, so you it must be good.

Speaker 8 (01:00:22):
Oh yeah, well I mean John van Dam Baby, he.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Went to high school together. Yeah, together together, same time world.

Speaker 9 (01:00:29):
Yeah, it's his real name too. People was like, actor,
why would he change his name? It was going to
change you would you think John Claude van Dam. But no,
John van Dam. He's awesome, wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Looking forward to me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Yeah, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Gladstone's experience is mostly in LA with the RAMS worked
his way up. He was scouting strategy. What do you
know about their operation there with Les lead and the
way Les need the GM there and what do you
think he will be able to late from the Rams experience.

Speaker 9 (01:01:02):
There's two words that come to mind, like my word
cloud with with the LA experience and potentially what James
Cloudstone is gonna bring. One is trust. They have a
lot of trust in each other. Obviously they didn't have
first round draft picks for a long time and they
rebuilt their defensive front without Aaron oronold.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
F those picks, right, that's what they said.

Speaker 8 (01:01:20):
They did say that, Okay, but.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Then you have the other picks.

Speaker 8 (01:01:24):
You got a pick, right, yeah, got it? F them picks.

Speaker 9 (01:01:26):
But I was always like, Okay, I'm pretty sure people
would rather want to have whatever good for them, make
it make sense and so.

Speaker 8 (01:01:34):
And the other thing is system.

Speaker 9 (01:01:35):
And I think obviously in espressor you heard these, but
I believe it, Like I think that the system that
he will be able to bring into place will be
one that is at least a way to surface where
things are not right quickly so you can address them,
and it will help provide things, you know, in a
in a way that makes sense and keeps making sense.

(01:01:57):
So I think a system helps form an ide identity,
and identity is really hard to keep over time, especially
you know when you've had different people rotating through for
a while, then it's hard to have an identity. So
I believe that focus and that system and that structure
creates a nice foundation to work from. That's that's where
I think you will know what is a jag, right,

(01:02:20):
Like how what are the traits that we what is
our emission statement? What are you know we always have
at this combine? Here is like next is now or
now whatever it is. But the truth is is somebody
really puts a lot of time, effort and thought into
like all of these tag works that we have, Like
you know, I think I like the one that was
like make good decisions. Remember that one anyways, but it
was like like anyway, being great as your choice. It

(01:02:41):
was it was being great as your choice. And I
was like, so you're telling to make make a decisions anyways.
But people are really thoughtful about like you know, galvanizing
us around a topic, you know, and and we're a
lot of people. I mean, I was curious how many
credentials or issues is like a billion? But like you
know that whole thing, Well, that's how teams.

Speaker 8 (01:02:58):
Good teams are built.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
So why there's a Minister of culture now basically in
Boselli to kind of start that and the GM on
that part of it on the football side. And then
there's Liam Cohen, a guy who went back to the
college team he was at the first time, went back
there and then went back to the Rams again. That
tells you left both in good graces to be able
to come back in both organizations. Then it goes to

(01:03:21):
Tampa and they had some injuries, but they worked around
it and got the job done. With Baker and everything,
what stands out, what do you like the most about
Liam Cohen?

Speaker 9 (01:03:30):
It feels like Liam Cohen is able to take what
a player does best and get the most out.

Speaker 8 (01:03:36):
Of them, and it's a lot of people.

Speaker 9 (01:03:38):
Baker has a really great arm and a lot of
people were trying to rely too hard on it back
in his previous life and then giving him some.

Speaker 8 (01:03:47):
Quick, easy tempo, quick easy temp.

Speaker 9 (01:03:49):
They didn't really have a great run game to begin
you know, a couple of two seasons ago, and they
figured it out even without that. So finding solutions to
get someone in rhythm, get them in their flow, get
them doing the thing they're so then when he does
take those deep passes to Mike Evans, everyone feels more confident.
It's it's not about asking him to do throw me
a thirty five yard or on everybody. No, it's about

(01:04:11):
trying to figure out the right flow tempo, thaying Okay,
I see this defense grade, I can recognize it, and
I'm gonna beat you over the top. Whatever it is, Like,
there's like a pretty good I guess about to be
second year receiver. I still feel like we're in I
still feel like Myrdups Junior is a rookie because it
was like five minutes ago that he was a rookie.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
But well he was here doing combine stuff. Is here.

Speaker 8 (01:04:31):
It's like crazy, Yeah, he's I'm like a huge fan
of his.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
And he got so much better as the season went on,
and he's throwing the ball at first half at least
get like three looks a game.

Speaker 8 (01:04:39):
I know, I know, well I don't.

Speaker 9 (01:04:41):
I don't mind that they gave him a minute to
like figure it out, Like in general, I don't mind
that strategy, but like you know, especially with figuring out
like how to get chemistry with a new like I
don't know play calling with long story short is, I
think there's gonna be a great opportunity for him to,
like if I'm a fan n player, and I love
the Jags like I'm telling all of my friends that

(01:05:04):
I hate him, and I'm not.

Speaker 8 (01:05:05):
Gonna I'm not gonna drop that. I snatch him round one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
I love that, Love that Cynthia Freeland with this NFL
media Jags defense was among the worst in the league
last year. They blew that whole staff out and brought
in company Lay and they've got first round talent on
the defensive line. On the edges, they were at soft
in the middle. Linebacker play was inconsistent at times, they
were rotating guys in and then the safety play was

(01:05:29):
far to be desired. So there's a lot of work
to be done on defense, but there there are some
cornerstone guys at least on the edges you can build
around here heinz Allen and treyvon Walker.

Speaker 9 (01:05:39):
I think that this is a great time. So number one,
this is a better defensive class than it is offensive
in my opinion. I don't think it's a great on
line draft class. I don't think it's a great quarterback class.
I don't think it's a great wide receiver. I think
that you're gonna be able to get a nice corner
that Jaggs be able to be like great, Okay, got

(01:06:00):
me a corner.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Something Campbell on one side and whoever it is on.

Speaker 9 (01:06:03):
The other exactly, I'm not exactly sure which one because
at some like there are some very we'll see after
after this week kind of where some of these chips
fall when it comes to the course. But I think
this is a good time to need pieces on the defense.
Like this is not this is a weird free agency
class in general. This is a like there's some weirdness
this year that's just like not not normal, not normal
stuff that we're seeing. But I think defense is a

(01:06:24):
good a good area to like, if you need a
wide receiver Laska year rough, if you need a quarterback, eh,
I don't know. Your guess is as good as mine,
you know, Like so so that's kind of that's kind
of I'm like better to need defense.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Okay, let's get into some of the technology aspects of
the football these days. There's the GPS stuff going on,
body scanning is starting to become where you can figure
out weaknesses and all these things. And what's next, Like
what do we what's the cutting edge of technology and

(01:06:58):
football these days coming up?

Speaker 9 (01:07:00):
What I really like to see and this doesn't have
as much to do with the NFL as it does
the college level. But now that so we're in this
like weird era of like nil transfer portals out of control.
And the interesting part for me is I now believe
if I'm any of these agents, I'm pushing on the
colleges to start them on much better training regimens when

(01:07:23):
they're younger. Like the variability between what happens between colleges
is insanity, and so I believe getting them on more
regimented training programs earlier will help get rid of some
of the problems we're seeing from all this different moving
around business.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Yeah, but if the player is going to move in
a year, how do you start a.

Speaker 9 (01:07:43):
Program for Well, I think to me, and maybe I'm
being political here, what I don't mean to be. They
have to there to me their employees, and they need
to sign a contract just like you and I are adult.

Speaker 8 (01:07:52):
Are you an adult? If I can give you three
million dollars, you're an adult? In my book?

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Like?

Speaker 9 (01:07:58):
And then people and people say, well, if you're a
math major, you can switch college, Like, yeah, I am
paying to be the math major, true, right, Like, who's
got the leverage here? Anyway, so I think, but I
think that's gonna and or agency will agencies will start
having to do that something like that. Like, so I
think the technology will trickle down better into the college
programs because what we're seeing now is like there's just

(01:08:19):
such a big like the learning curve is so massive
into the NFL. It's making it hard and harder and
harder for scouts to be able to accurately say, like
what is this person's resume? Because if you're playing at
for different places like it games here, it games, it
like I don't know what I'm looking at to, you know,
like maybe scouts do, but I don't think they do.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
What's your opinion on this idea of no chain game
next year? I hate it.

Speaker 8 (01:08:44):
I think that.

Speaker 9 (01:08:48):
I don't think it's no right because there's like so
much like subjectivity when it comes to like where's the
line to gang?

Speaker 8 (01:08:54):
Like what?

Speaker 9 (01:08:55):
So if you have that mental reference, like I just
don't think like my peripher vision matters, right, So if
I'm only saying like this, like this Hawkeye is going
to do that, I think it should help you in
case when it's like really off. But there's some subjectivity
into you know, when forward progress was stopped. But I
think your peripheral vision needs to have those orange markers
so that you're more like you have to have you

(01:09:18):
have to have a tether point right. It's like, you know,
like if I tell you to turn on the right bar,
like the red barn, like you kind of like you
need to have, you know, visual mapping to be able
to do it. So I don't think that that would
help much. But I do think in certain cases, having
the ability to use the technology when something looks very
wrong to double check it when it's not like game
changing or something like that.

Speaker 8 (01:09:38):
That's helpful. But there's so much subjectivity.

Speaker 9 (01:09:41):
I don't think you can get rid of the mental
reference points on the side.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
I mean, the best thing I can probably compare this
to is like in tennis, right, they do the review
of the in and out, Yeah, and it's the whole thing.
They clap. There's the drama, okay, But I love the
drama of the old guys bringing the chains out and
the car stretched it and Stereotaur doing the card like.
I love that.

Speaker 8 (01:10:00):
I like it is great TV.

Speaker 9 (01:10:02):
I'm with you on that, But there's always there's always
gonna be subjectivity, you know, like, I don't want it
to not be like the to me, the challenge. The
only time I want to use a technology is when
on it looks like it's like four inches different three
you know what I'm saying, Like where you're like, that
is clearly a first down.

Speaker 8 (01:10:21):
I don't understand. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Well, then you got to figure out the spotting more
than the measurement, correct.

Speaker 9 (01:10:26):
But I think you need those. I think you need
the what is it like temporal reference? But whatever you know,
you're you need.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
That, Like I don't even know what you're talking about.

Speaker 9 (01:10:33):
Right, you need to see the orange, but I think
you I think you mentally need to see like the
orange over there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Yeah, I think that's still gonna stay. You still have
to know where to go.

Speaker 8 (01:10:43):
It's got but I think they're gonna I want the drama.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
To final thoughts with you here A favorite part of
the combine week.

Speaker 8 (01:10:50):
I'm getting to see everyone. This is my favorite. Everyone
thinks they can win the Super Bowl, which who am
I to say they can't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
You know a few teams that can't, but you know
we have Jags can, But of course other teams.

Speaker 8 (01:11:02):
Have you seen your division?

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Of course I'm aware of the defict.

Speaker 8 (01:11:04):
All you need to do is make it to the playoffs,
win the super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
That's what they said last year didn't make the playoffs
four and thirteen.

Speaker 8 (01:11:11):
Well, all you can go is up, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Oh you can get worse. They can always get I know. Yeah,
the team that head back to back number one picks
Jaguars at five. Who are they picking?

Speaker 8 (01:11:22):
Who do I want them to pick?

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Who are they picking?

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Hmmm?

Speaker 8 (01:11:28):
Who's available?

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
See, nobody has just a straight answer anymore. Everybody's got
all these you.

Speaker 8 (01:11:32):
Know, variable I might be in the minority.

Speaker 9 (01:11:36):
I think the Michigan corner would be a really good
pick for you guys. I think it'd be a really
nice fit. I think that in your division it would
be a really solid But people like.

Speaker 8 (01:11:44):
He's not worth that I have a pick. I don't
give a crap.

Speaker 9 (01:11:47):
If he's going to really help your team, I would
just take him there like, or you can try to
trade down and get extra equity for it.

Speaker 8 (01:11:51):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
I like.

Speaker 9 (01:11:52):
I like the Michigan corner a lot for you guys,
maybe love it? Does that not make you happy?

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
No, it makes me. It's your opinion.

Speaker 9 (01:11:59):
I'm going to tell you though, if Will Campbell's there
still from lsu'd be really hard. That's like the one
offensive tackle that I really like. I don't think he'll
be there still, which is why I went with the corner.
But if, well, if LSU offensive tackle is there, please
do not let him not fault. I mean, that's like
truly the only one that I actually think. I could

(01:12:20):
say I feel it very strongly as a starter day
one and like the contributor in this class a line's crazy.

Speaker 8 (01:12:26):
But then after that, I would say, Michigan Corner.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Love it, Cynthia, enjoy your work. Thanks for coming on
with it anytime.

Speaker 8 (01:12:33):
Tell Bucky April first, him and I to the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Path to the oh yeah, path to the draft.

Speaker 9 (01:12:41):
And then you know what we do it after that.
But it's still called paths to the draft. No one
knows why that happened, even though the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Draft is over. Path to the next draft or reviewing
the path that we just took to the draft.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
I really know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
As long as the check clears said, don't ask questions,
I'm not.

Speaker 8 (01:12:56):
That's way above my pay grade.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Great to see you since the free NFL media here
at the combine.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
M hmm,

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