October 3, 2024 • 23 mins
The 3-1 Seahawks will look to start another winning streak when the Giants pay a visit to Seattle this Sunday. Jen Mueller and John Boyle preview Week 5 at Lumen Field. Today’s show: Seahawks offense vs. Detroit (01:47), offensive play calling (03:58), taking responsibility on defense (07:36), how the defense can get better (10:32), Fantasy Insider Scott Engel (14:26), and two things we need to see (20:37).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Now here's your host, Jen Mueller.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
We knew the Seahawks were going to face a test
in Detroit. They certainly did. But John Boyle, that offense
comes through with flying colors. I know that you wanted
that one. I know that it would make a big
difference in how you feel going into this week's game.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I can't be upset by what I saw from the
Seahawks and Detroit.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, I mean, look, it wasn't their best game. They
were missing a lot of guys on defense, and I look,
pardon me, is like, that's a good sign that expectations
are high, that fans are upset about losing on the
road to a really good team missing half your starting defense.
But I look at it as the offense was great.
I am willing to give the defense a pass until
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we see it back to something close to full strength
at some point this season. I do want to see
that defense close to full strength going against a really
good offense like Detroits or whoever it may be. But
I'm not gonna make too many judgments on a game
where the situation is pretty weird for that defense.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Well, and you have some franchise setting numbers, I will
be honest by the way that the hustle boards are,
so in case you're not familiar with that, during the game,
the hustle boards would be you know where you're looking
at total yards, rushing yards, passing yards, that sort of
a thing. Every stadium does it differently. I couldn't find
it in Detroit half the time. So when I look
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at the final numbers and I'm looking at five hundred
and ten yards of offense sixteen excuse me, I shorted
them six yards.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
That was like shocking to me.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, and thirty eight first sents. That's the most enfranchised
history in a game, so, and I think the most
in the league in like a decade.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
So they did. They did a lot of really good things.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
We saw Geno Smith, you know, pass for career high
end yardage and franchise records of completions. We saw Kenth
Walker really get going in the second half and get
the run game going. So yeah, I mean I come
out of that game being like this team can really
move the ball on just about anybody and as versatile
on offense. And again, let's look, coaches and players can't
use injuries as an excuse. They can't say, oh, we're
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missing X, Y and Z. That hurt us because a
it makes the guys who are playing feel bad of like, oh,
they don't trust us, and be then what do you
say if those guys are out again this week? It
makes it sound like we don't trust anybody to get
the job done. But an objective observer can look at
this game and say, you're missing five of your best
players up front, and then you lose Julian Love in
the back end. And by the way, their two biggest
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explosive players in the game happened after Julian Love left.
I'm not saying for sure he stops that, but we
just don't know.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
We know that he is a high level communicator back there,
and we know that he is not only like a
safety but position but he is a safety valve just
in the way that he plays. You're right, you don't
know if those plays would have happened, or if they
would have been shorter, if you would have you know,
been able to hold him to a field goal. There's
a lot of if as Buds would I should have
cut as that sort of thing. But going back to
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the offense, here's what I want to point out. The
Seahawks have totaled more than three hundred yards of offense
in each of their four games this year. They are
one of six teams in the NFL to do that.
When you start to look at the numbers, they are
averaging thirty nine.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Passes a game.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Now, John, that is amazing to me because we have
seen some games in recent years where they have only
had I don't know, forty five offensive plays in a game.
So you are getting a significant just number of plays
in the game. The thirty nine passes a game is
surprising to me because it does not feel like this
is a one dimensional team. You still have ken Walker
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contributing and you are still calling run plays. It is
one of the reasons why I asked Mike McDonald just
about how how he sees this offense being called right now.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Yeah, there's no we're not shooting for a number of
passes or whatever going into each game. I think it's
just what it takes to be successful, trying to put
our guys in best positions. I think Gino's operating the
offense at a really high level where we're getting in
and out of certain plays that that'll dictate some runner
pass in certain situations. But I think the guys are confident.
I think there's a lot of great execution out there.
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So seeing the old line start to come together, so
it's we're moving in the right direction and we'll see.
You know, I'm not really worried about the pass play
numbers right now, but yeah, you're right. Does It just
doesn't feel that many The way this game played out,
you know, turned into a dropback fest, which it needed
to be, you know, for or have a chance to
win the game. So some you know, some games kind
of dictate those terms.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
A couple of things that stood out to me. One,
I like that both Gino Smith because he's you know,
making justice of the line, but especially Ryan Grab your
play caller. I don't feel like either of them are
going to be like they're going to say what's the
defense doing and here's how we attack it, and not Okay,
we need to establish a run, so we're going to
be stubborn and run it. That defense, they saw some
opportunities in the passing game, and obviously it showed up
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in the numbers, so they went after it. I also like,
I think there's this traditional notion of you run to
set up the pass, you run, run, run, and we've
seen them do the opposite of like, Okay, we're going
to run like crazy or throw like crazy if that's
what you're giving us, and then as you adjust, boom.
Kenneth Walker has this big second half. So I think,
you know, both can help each other, complement each other
and doesn't necessarily have to be in the traditional order
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of we're going to run early.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
And it is also worth noting that the Seahawks have
gone one hundred or more yards rushing in three of
their four games played. The outlier was that game in
New England.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Which was all just out of whack. Yeah, in general,
so there's that. I went up to Ken Walker this
week and I apologized.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
I first of all, felt terrible about the interview that
I did postgame not because he wasn't gracious, but I
really I had a few more things to get to
on my list. I totally forgot, including the front flip,
the backflip, staying up and getting the first down play.
You and I were talking about that and get on
the bus.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And I'm like, gosh darn it. Like it was on one.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Page anyway, it doesn't say gosh darn.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
I did say gosh darning. So I walk up to
Ken in the locker room this week and I'm like,
I am so sorry I didn't ask you about that play.
And he looked at me and goes, oh, oh, yeah,
I totally forgot about that way, And I'm like, you,
there's no way. So if I would have asked you
about this after the game, he goes, well, no, I
would have. If you would have asked me about it,
sure I would have talked about it. I was like, okay,
so in the moment, did you know that you've front
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flipped backflipped and that you weren't He goes, of course,
why do you think I kept moving? I knew that
I could get the first down. And I was like, okay,
I'm sorry, and maybe I'm glad that we didn't have
this conversation on the record, but anyway, yes.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, it was pretty impressive. I had a similar conversation.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I was like, we could you tell what was happening
as I was going on or were you just kind
of throwing your body And he's like, no, I knew,
and I knew I wasn't down, so I got up.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
He did say.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
He's like he was pleasantly surprised that they didn't blow
it down, just because it looked like the kind of
play where, oh, he must be down. So he was
glad that they gave him a chance to make what
was one of the stranger plays I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
In a football game.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
And I really wish that it happened on the Seahawks
sidelines because it was far sidelines to keep going, wait a.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Minute, what and you're looking at the replay, but well
in the.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Can you imagine the reaction if you had that rightline? It
would have been fun.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
It is.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
He is incredibly strong, and I'm really glad that he
is back on the field. There week one flipped the
dude trying to tackle him. I know, yeah, I know,
I can't tell wild movies here. Maybe he's just trying
for his own personal best highlight reel.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Maybe probably.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Meanwhile, things on the defensive side of things, well, look,
I don't even know what to make of it, because,
as you pointed out, you finished the game down six
starters on defense. So do you like forty two points
given up? No, you don't, but you still had some
pretty big plays overall, though, Mike McDonald, he is the
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one that is going to step up and take responsibility
for this.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
Look, whatever shows up on tape is my responsibility point.
I mean, at the end of the day, I'm responsible
for what goes on out there. And uh, I got
our guys are fighting their tails off to go do it.
No player is ever going to show up and want
to do it the wrong way. Everybody wants to win,
everybody wants to be productive, everybody wants to have success.
The secret sauce is when you can get it coming
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to get when you can get it playned together and
they're playing for one another and they're excited for everybody
else's success. I think, you know, that's what we're building,
and that's what we're trying to create, and I think
I have to do my part to make that happen.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
That was in response to a question about him, You know,
talk about mistakes, but not naming the individual players. You
can talk about, oh, a tackle was missed or a
blown assignment, but he doesn't say so and so did this.
And that's it's interesting because that was something Pete Carroll did.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Really well as well.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Like in all the years we covered him, you almost
never heard him, in a negative sense name a player
about a play. And I think that's a really good
take for a coach to be, like, Look, a player
might have messed up on that play individually, but it
was our job all week to get him ready to
make that play, either to get him the fundamentals right
to make the tackle back in training him, or to
scheme him to be in the right spot here. So ultimately,
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when you're the head coach, as Mike McDonald's said, he
has to answer for it. So I like that, I mean,
just overall, bigger picture. I really like what we've been
hearing from Mike McDonald after the game on Monday when
he did his radio show. Now and we didn't know
this was his first loss as a head coach, you
just never know how he's going to take it, and
I think you know he's he's mixed in accountability with
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finding kind of the bright spot in it and not overreacting.
So I just I really like how he's handled his
first loss as a head coach.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Do you think the culture has changed or.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
It's just the coaching staff has changed, because I think
you and I have talked about this before, but now
that you're four games in, we have a better picture
of what this actually looks like. During the season, and
people keep talking to me about They're like, oh, the
culture's changed, the culture has changed.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, I mean the cultures changed. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
He puts his own spin on things, and he coaches
the team at differently and players might respond to things differently,
but like bigger picture culture, there's still a lot of overlap.
And even I mean the day they hired him, he
talked about that of like he knew he was stepping
into a really good situation with what Pete and John
had built. You know what, really going back to Paul
Allen buying the team, like what the culture in this
building has been for decades has been really strong, and
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he understood, like I don't need to come in and
blow it all up. I'm going to come be myself
and coach football the way I know how to coach football,
but also embrace what's been here already.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
And this week he is coaching the defense towards getting
those takeaways, something that we have not seen since week one. Now,
I will tell you that the numbers for the Giants
could make this a little bit difficult, but here is
how Mike McDonald wants to see them get better.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
How can we get incrementally better in all the processes coaches,
How we organize things, how we walk through players, how
we take meetings, how we communicate meetings. Just how can
we take intercremeral steps throughout the week, you know, to
put ourselves in a position mentally so we can go
out and play our best football and then endgame. How
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we're commuting as coaches, communicating as coaches, how we how
we adjust all those things, I mean, all those things
around the table. We've talked about them. Unfortunately, it's just
a it is creating an opportunity for us to, you know,
to really face those things head on. And that's what
we're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, and again this goes back to how, you know,
how is he handling this first loss? How will the
team handle it? And you know, It's still early in
the week when we heard from Mike the first time,
so he maybe doesn't have a great feel for his
players and how they're doing it yet. But I think
to his point, like, if we stay consistent in our
messaging and how we do things, you know, no one's
pit panicking about what happened on Monday.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
They wanted to win that game.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Of course, but it didn't go their way, and they're
looking to just sort of stay the course, do what
got them their first three wins and and just looked
to improve.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Yeah, but like I mentioned, some of those Giants numbers
is going to make it tough for the defense to
do the things and to have the game changing plays
that they want to have. We know the quarterback Daniel Jones.
We know that he is working behind a retooled offensive
line the Giants bring in three veterans. As a result,
he has been pressured a career low thirty four percent
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of the time. Prior to this, in four of his
first five seasons, it was forty percent or higher. So
as a result, he is staying up right, but on
most of his yards are coming through these short, quick passes.
He is not completing things deep downfield. So where are
you gonna get the takeaways from this week?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah, I mean they, as Mike McDonald told us, like,
that's you know, you can't consistently win football games losing
the turnover battle, and they want to start getting those.
They have three the first game and nonsense. So you know,
they got to figure out ways. I mean, the pass
rush for the Seahawks, especially when they were healthy, has
been really good. They have one of the highest pressure
rates in the league. So I would have a hunch
they feel like even against a good line, they'll take
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their chances that they can get after the quarterback some
and hopefully forced Daniel Jones into some bad decisions. But also,
you know, there's got to be opportunities where you got
to look for a chance to get the ball out.
We've seen there's been some close moments where you watch
play like ooh man, some whether it's Spoon or whoever
coming in and just missing the punk. So they're going
to keep trying to find their ways to get it out.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Well, so here's kind of part of it is Daniel
Jones has been forced to throw the ball because they
don't have much of a run game. Yeah, and the
just over a yard averaged against Dallas a week ago,
did not help their overall average, which is one of
the lowest in the league. I think they're at three
point four yards a carry, So if the ground game
isn't going, he's going to have to go through the air.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
Now.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
I don't know if you watch the end of that
Dallas game, but I thought the play calling was baffling.
And I never say this about coaches because I don't
know everything in the game plan, but you could tell
when he was trying to get the ball down field that.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Wasn't his style right.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
In fact, Daniel Jones has only completed two of thirteen
attempted passes where it has gone more than twenty yards
in the air. Now, think about how great Gino throws
that deep ball.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
That's not going to be Daniel Jones strength. However, he
is tied for.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Lamar Jackson with the most completions thirty six of over
ten yards. So when you start go went into that short,
quick game, now you are finding.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Success, although they could be without their top process.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I was gonna say it'll be a big, big question, Marcus,
whether they have the leagu neighbors who's just been outstanding
the Zeroki, but unfortunately suffered a concussion last week, so
got to see if he's back, because yeah, he's been
a huge part of their passing game so far.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
You know what, if we're gonna talk about wide receivers,
I think it is time to take a quick break
and to bring in our Fantasy insider, Scott Ingel.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
Thanks Jenning John, and welcome to Week five of fantasy football.
With four teams on a bye, we have to give
you those streamers, and we start with Jackson Smith and
Jigba of the Seahawks on the field for eighty four
percent of the snaps last week. Continued opportunity will lead
to continued production. Also, Courtland Sutton of the Denver Broncos
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catching his first touchdown pass of the season last week
against tough New York Jets secondary like them against Las
Vegas this week. And running back Kareem Hunt emerging as
the number one running back for the powerful Kansas City
Chiefs offense, which should start to rebound and beat potent
again under Patrick Mahomes. Go to Seahawks dot com, go
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to the Fantasy Insider page under the news temp and
find out why you should still have confidence in Mahomes
as a fantasy player. Also at running back Chuba Hubbard
of the Carolina Panthers last two weeks one hundred plus
rushing yards in each game and two TV's from scrimmage.
It's tight end. We're all scrambling for help. Take a
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shot on Tyler Conklin of the New York Jets against
former team, the Minnesota Vikings, who ranked twenty eighth in
fantasy points per game allowed to tight ends. For more
of my work, check me out at rohdebowler dot com
and also on the Athletic Back to you Jen and
John for Week five Seahawks and Giants.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Thank you Scott Okay Seahawks wide receivers. Seahawks offensive scheme.
Does it get better than Jason and Jack's Zach Sharbonay
combined it for a trick play.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
In week four?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
That was so fun.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
That was so fun in Week four.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Yeah, and they've had that in their back pocket, yeah
for weeks.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I think somebody like, oh, they're copying the Lions, because
the Lion's just somewhat Somebody's like, no, they've been working
on that longer than that.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
It's every team.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Every team has different variations of those plays, but it
just looks so like it wasn't like some trick plays
they developed slowly and you're like, oh, what's going to happen?
But that was just like they made a look routine.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
It was pretty impressive.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
And also when that play gets called, you get one
shot to execute that.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
If you don't execute it, that's it.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Like you can't run that play again because now you've
already shown it. I say that maybe they could, I
don't know, but generally with a play like that, you
don't show it again. So if that is not a
successful play, well, not only did you just kind of
waste down on that one, but you wasted the chance
for that.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, you got to capitalize on those. So unfortunately they
did not score on the drive, but that did.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Help flip the field and you know, late in a half,
so it's still probably helped them avoid you know, giving
the ball back too early and anything like that.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
With what third and sixteen, I don't remember what.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
It was a low percentage play, but they sure made
it look easy.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
They figured it out.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Is Jackson Smith and jigbaw or DK Metcalf the better
wide receiver right now?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I mean, they're both really good I'm going to give
the nod to DK. I mean the guys he they're both.
I don't want to sound like I'm saying one guy's
not good, but like DK Metcalf is on that level
of like he's just a huge problem for every NFL defense.
You see teams scheming specifically to stop him. And he's
still got three straight one hundred yard games, which, by
the way, no one's done that in franchise history. Okay,
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so weird.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I know, how is this possible?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
He retired is the all time leading receiver in NFL
history when he left the game, and I think it
was nineteen ninety I'm doing But anyway, my point is
Steve Largent, all time great, never had three straight hundred
yard games. DK Metcalf just did it last three weeks.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Now Here's what I think I might end up to
be wrong on.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
And also I did intentionally such up to pick one
over the other, just to see what would happen. I
would say Jayson, and I know that he has always
been kind of that shifty slot guy, but what I
saw on Monday night, it just feels like he is.
I don't know if he's even more competitive there or
if he's even smoother, but there's something different to his
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game where Look, I'm not saying Tyler Lockett's not a factor,
but I really do like the youngster working inside and
keeping Tyler on the outside. Yeah, I mean, you just
you're gonna have to save those places to Tyler.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
And he's also what Jason is doing on third down.
He's just like so many third downs, he's taking that
where he maybe doesn't have as many big plays over
the course of a game, but he's a guy that
Joe Smith has figured out he can really make things
happen on these third down conversions.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yes, but here's where I might be wrong.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
When people were asking me who's going to be like
the top offensive player, and they want fantasy advice, which,
by the way, I do not give Scott Engele gives.
That's I defer to Scott. I said, look, I don't
I don't know that I would pick any wide receiver
because there's so many options in so many tools. I
think that the yards are just gonna get spread around
too much. I think I might be wrong on that.
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Now I know that we're only four games in. I
think I might be wrong based on what DK is doing.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yeah, I mean, we'll see over the course of the
season how plays out. But yeah, well he seems to
be taking his game to another level where and you know,
maybe some of this is the play caller too, of
Ryan Grubb and Gino Smith, just looking like, hey, this
guy's too good not to feed the ball to X
number of times a game. But again, like if teams
are trying to take that away, we've seen games where
there's a lot of attention on him and that's when
the other guys might feast, which you know, again from
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the fantasy standpoint, might be tricky because yeah, you know,
some teams have like a clear number one and that's
all they go to and the guy's gonna get fifteen
targets no matter what. Whereas there's gonna be games the
decayed Metcalf might feel more quiet, but man, he's been
he's been phenomenal so far.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
He can be quiet and all it takes is one
deep shot for seventy yards and suddenly he's right back
up there at the top of the stat sheet. So
I'm not worried about it. I just find it really curious.
So I don't know, we'll continue to watch those numbers.
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Speaker 5 (20:38):
All right, John, we have reached that point in the
podcast where I need the two things that you need
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Speaker 3 (20:48):
What do we got we talked about earlier? I want
I want to get those turnovers. Yeah, I'm going to
be greedy here and say the Seahawks are currently minus
three this season. I want them to get all the
way back to even I'm to win a turner about.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
By three by three. Yeah, like I said, I'm getting greedy.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
But okay, yeah, you know, maybe maybe that's.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
We'll see, well, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Okay, but you know, especially if you get ahead and yep,
put them in a bad spot.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I think you can do that.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
The other one, when you look, the Giants have struggled
in a lot of areas. They're one and three, but
their defensive front is pretty nasty. They got some guys
that can really get after it. Dexter Lawrence one of
the best interior linemen in the NFL. So offensive line
is coming off a strong performance, especially when you consider
fifty six drop backs, like that's tough to block. I
want to see the offensive line, you know, continue to
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progress and keep Geno Smith clean and minimize the hits
that he takes.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
You know what, that defense is really good at doing
keeping points off the board. In fact, they are among
the best at red zone defense, allowing opponents to score
just about forty percent of the time that they are
inside the twenty. So for the Seahawks, I want to
see points on the board. I'm not even going to
say it's suttling if you kick a field goal, but
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you got to get points on the board. Maximize those opportunities.
The other part for the Seahawks defense. This might be
greedy on my part. I want to see a season
low in rushing yards allowed, which is a little tricky
because it was only sixty five against Miami. But make
this team one dimensional and then that feeds into your
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turnover point and I think that that all comes out
pretty well. Well, great, we've schemed this up perfectly. Yeah,
I think if you listen to.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Us, Mike's going to put on this podcast and.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Oh, I mean, we just saved the coaches so much time,
score in the red zone and get the ball.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, this seems brilliant.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
I'm sure that you agree, and I'm sure that you
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Now here's your host, Jen Mueller.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
We knew the Seahawks were going to face a test
in Detroit. They certainly did. But John Boyle, that offense
comes through with flying colors. I know that you wanted
that one. I know that it would make a big
difference in how you feel going into this week's game.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I can't be upset by what I saw from the
Seahawks and Detroit.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, I mean, look, it wasn't their best game. They
were missing a lot of guys on defense, and I look,
pardon me, is like, that's a good sign that expectations
are high, that fans are upset about losing on the
road to a really good team missing half your starting defense.
But I look at it as the offense was great.
I am willing to give the defense a pass until
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we see it back to something close to full strength
at some point this season. I do want to see
that defense close to full strength going against a really
good offense like Detroits or whoever it may be. But
I'm not gonna make too many judgments on a game
where the situation is pretty weird for that defense.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Well, and you have some franchise setting numbers, I will
be honest by the way that the hustle boards are,
so in case you're not familiar with that, during the game,
the hustle boards would be you know where you're looking
at total yards, rushing yards, passing yards, that sort of
a thing. Every stadium does it differently. I couldn't find
it in Detroit half the time. So when I look
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at the final numbers and I'm looking at five hundred
and ten yards of offense sixteen excuse me, I shorted
them six yards.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
That was like shocking to me.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, and thirty eight first sents. That's the most enfranchised
history in a game, so, and I think the most
in the league in like a decade.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
So they did. They did a lot of really good things.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
We saw Geno Smith, you know, pass for career high
end yardage and franchise records of completions. We saw Kenth
Walker really get going in the second half and get
the run game going. So yeah, I mean I come
out of that game being like this team can really
move the ball on just about anybody and as versatile
on offense. And again, let's look, coaches and players can't
use injuries as an excuse. They can't say, oh, we're
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missing X, Y and Z. That hurt us because a
it makes the guys who are playing feel bad of like, oh,
they don't trust us, and be then what do you
say if those guys are out again this week? It
makes it sound like we don't trust anybody to get
the job done. But an objective observer can look at
this game and say, you're missing five of your best
players up front, and then you lose Julian Love in
the back end. And by the way, their two biggest
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explosive players in the game happened after Julian Love left.
I'm not saying for sure he stops that, but we
just don't know.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
We know that he is a high level communicator back there,
and we know that he is not only like a
safety but position but he is a safety valve just
in the way that he plays. You're right, you don't
know if those plays would have happened, or if they
would have been shorter, if you would have you know,
been able to hold him to a field goal. There's
a lot of if as Buds would I should have
cut as that sort of thing. But going back to
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the offense, here's what I want to point out. The
Seahawks have totaled more than three hundred yards of offense
in each of their four games this year. They are
one of six teams in the NFL to do that.
When you start to look at the numbers, they are
averaging thirty nine.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Passes a game.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Now, John, that is amazing to me because we have
seen some games in recent years where they have only
had I don't know, forty five offensive plays in a game.
So you are getting a significant just number of plays
in the game. The thirty nine passes a game is
surprising to me because it does not feel like this
is a one dimensional team. You still have ken Walker
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contributing and you are still calling run plays. It is
one of the reasons why I asked Mike McDonald just
about how how he sees this offense being called right now.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Yeah, there's no we're not shooting for a number of
passes or whatever going into each game. I think it's
just what it takes to be successful, trying to put
our guys in best positions. I think Gino's operating the
offense at a really high level where we're getting in
and out of certain plays that that'll dictate some runner
pass in certain situations. But I think the guys are confident.
I think there's a lot of great execution out there.
(04:24):
So seeing the old line start to come together, so
it's we're moving in the right direction and we'll see.
You know, I'm not really worried about the pass play
numbers right now, but yeah, you're right. Does It just
doesn't feel that many The way this game played out,
you know, turned into a dropback fest, which it needed
to be, you know, for or have a chance to
win the game. So some you know, some games kind
of dictate those terms.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
A couple of things that stood out to me. One,
I like that both Gino Smith because he's you know,
making justice of the line, but especially Ryan Grab your
play caller. I don't feel like either of them are
going to be like they're going to say what's the
defense doing and here's how we attack it, and not Okay,
we need to establish a run, so we're going to
be stubborn and run it. That defense, they saw some
opportunities in the passing game, and obviously it showed up
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in the numbers, so they went after it. I also like,
I think there's this traditional notion of you run to
set up the pass, you run, run, run, and we've
seen them do the opposite of like, Okay, we're going
to run like crazy or throw like crazy if that's
what you're giving us, and then as you adjust, boom.
Kenneth Walker has this big second half. So I think,
you know, both can help each other, complement each other
and doesn't necessarily have to be in the traditional order
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of we're going to run early.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
And it is also worth noting that the Seahawks have
gone one hundred or more yards rushing in three of
their four games played. The outlier was that game in
New England.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Which was all just out of whack. Yeah, in general,
so there's that. I went up to Ken Walker this
week and I apologized.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
I first of all, felt terrible about the interview that
I did postgame not because he wasn't gracious, but I
really I had a few more things to get to
on my list. I totally forgot, including the front flip,
the backflip, staying up and getting the first down play.
You and I were talking about that and get on
the bus.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And I'm like, gosh darn it. Like it was on one.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Page anyway, it doesn't say gosh darn.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
I did say gosh darning. So I walk up to
Ken in the locker room this week and I'm like,
I am so sorry I didn't ask you about that play.
And he looked at me and goes, oh, oh, yeah,
I totally forgot about that way, And I'm like, you,
there's no way. So if I would have asked you
about this after the game, he goes, well, no, I
would have. If you would have asked me about it,
sure I would have talked about it. I was like, okay,
so in the moment, did you know that you've front
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flipped backflipped and that you weren't He goes, of course,
why do you think I kept moving? I knew that
I could get the first down. And I was like, okay,
I'm sorry, and maybe I'm glad that we didn't have
this conversation on the record, but anyway, yes.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, it was pretty impressive. I had a similar conversation.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I was like, we could you tell what was happening
as I was going on or were you just kind
of throwing your body And he's like, no, I knew,
and I knew I wasn't down, so I got up.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
He did say.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
He's like he was pleasantly surprised that they didn't blow
it down, just because it looked like the kind of
play where, oh, he must be down. So he was
glad that they gave him a chance to make what
was one of the stranger plays I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
In a football game.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
And I really wish that it happened on the Seahawks
sidelines because it was far sidelines to keep going, wait a.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Minute, what and you're looking at the replay, but well
in the.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Can you imagine the reaction if you had that rightline? It
would have been fun.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
It is.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
He is incredibly strong, and I'm really glad that he
is back on the field. There week one flipped the
dude trying to tackle him. I know, yeah, I know,
I can't tell wild movies here. Maybe he's just trying
for his own personal best highlight reel.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Maybe probably.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Meanwhile, things on the defensive side of things, well, look,
I don't even know what to make of it, because,
as you pointed out, you finished the game down six
starters on defense. So do you like forty two points
given up? No, you don't, but you still had some
pretty big plays overall, though, Mike McDonald, he is the
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one that is going to step up and take responsibility
for this.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
Look, whatever shows up on tape is my responsibility point.
I mean, at the end of the day, I'm responsible
for what goes on out there. And uh, I got
our guys are fighting their tails off to go do it.
No player is ever going to show up and want
to do it the wrong way. Everybody wants to win,
everybody wants to be productive, everybody wants to have success.
The secret sauce is when you can get it coming
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to get when you can get it playned together and
they're playing for one another and they're excited for everybody
else's success. I think, you know, that's what we're building,
and that's what we're trying to create, and I think
I have to do my part to make that happen.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
That was in response to a question about him, You know,
talk about mistakes, but not naming the individual players. You
can talk about, oh, a tackle was missed or a
blown assignment, but he doesn't say so and so did this.
And that's it's interesting because that was something Pete Carroll did.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Really well as well.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Like in all the years we covered him, you almost
never heard him, in a negative sense name a player
about a play. And I think that's a really good
take for a coach to be, like, Look, a player
might have messed up on that play individually, but it
was our job all week to get him ready to
make that play, either to get him the fundamentals right
to make the tackle back in training him, or to
scheme him to be in the right spot here. So ultimately,
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when you're the head coach, as Mike McDonald's said, he
has to answer for it. So I like that, I mean,
just overall, bigger picture. I really like what we've been
hearing from Mike McDonald after the game on Monday when
he did his radio show. Now and we didn't know
this was his first loss as a head coach, you
just never know how he's going to take it, and
I think you know he's he's mixed in accountability with
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finding kind of the bright spot in it and not overreacting.
So I just I really like how he's handled his
first loss as a head coach.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Do you think the culture has changed or.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
It's just the coaching staff has changed, because I think
you and I have talked about this before, but now
that you're four games in, we have a better picture
of what this actually looks like. During the season, and
people keep talking to me about They're like, oh, the
culture's changed, the culture has changed.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, I mean the cultures changed. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
He puts his own spin on things, and he coaches
the team at differently and players might respond to things differently,
but like bigger picture culture, there's still a lot of overlap.
And even I mean the day they hired him, he
talked about that of like he knew he was stepping
into a really good situation with what Pete and John
had built. You know what, really going back to Paul
Allen buying the team, like what the culture in this
building has been for decades has been really strong, and
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he understood, like I don't need to come in and
blow it all up. I'm going to come be myself
and coach football the way I know how to coach football,
but also embrace what's been here already.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
And this week he is coaching the defense towards getting
those takeaways, something that we have not seen since week one. Now,
I will tell you that the numbers for the Giants
could make this a little bit difficult, but here is
how Mike McDonald wants to see them get better.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
How can we get incrementally better in all the processes coaches,
How we organize things, how we walk through players, how
we take meetings, how we communicate meetings. Just how can
we take intercremeral steps throughout the week, you know, to
put ourselves in a position mentally so we can go
out and play our best football and then endgame. How
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we're commuting as coaches, communicating as coaches, how we how
we adjust all those things, I mean, all those things
around the table. We've talked about them. Unfortunately, it's just
a it is creating an opportunity for us to, you know,
to really face those things head on. And that's what
we're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, and again this goes back to how, you know,
how is he handling this first loss? How will the
team handle it? And you know, It's still early in
the week when we heard from Mike the first time,
so he maybe doesn't have a great feel for his
players and how they're doing it yet. But I think
to his point, like, if we stay consistent in our
messaging and how we do things, you know, no one's
pit panicking about what happened on Monday.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
They wanted to win that game.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Of course, but it didn't go their way, and they're
looking to just sort of stay the course, do what
got them their first three wins and and just looked
to improve.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Yeah, but like I mentioned, some of those Giants numbers
is going to make it tough for the defense to
do the things and to have the game changing plays
that they want to have. We know the quarterback Daniel Jones.
We know that he is working behind a retooled offensive
line the Giants bring in three veterans. As a result,
he has been pressured a career low thirty four percent
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of the time. Prior to this, in four of his
first five seasons, it was forty percent or higher. So
as a result, he is staying up right, but on
most of his yards are coming through these short, quick passes.
He is not completing things deep downfield. So where are
you gonna get the takeaways from this week?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah, I mean they, as Mike McDonald told us, like,
that's you know, you can't consistently win football games losing
the turnover battle, and they want to start getting those.
They have three the first game and nonsense. So you know,
they got to figure out ways. I mean, the pass
rush for the Seahawks, especially when they were healthy, has
been really good. They have one of the highest pressure
rates in the league. So I would have a hunch
they feel like even against a good line, they'll take
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their chances that they can get after the quarterback some
and hopefully forced Daniel Jones into some bad decisions. But also,
you know, there's got to be opportunities where you got
to look for a chance to get the ball out.
We've seen there's been some close moments where you watch
play like ooh man, some whether it's Spoon or whoever
coming in and just missing the punk. So they're going
to keep trying to find their ways to get it out.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Well, so here's kind of part of it is Daniel
Jones has been forced to throw the ball because they
don't have much of a run game. Yeah, and the
just over a yard averaged against Dallas a week ago,
did not help their overall average, which is one of
the lowest in the league. I think they're at three
point four yards a carry, So if the ground game
isn't going, he's going to have to go through the air.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
Now.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
I don't know if you watch the end of that
Dallas game, but I thought the play calling was baffling.
And I never say this about coaches because I don't
know everything in the game plan, but you could tell
when he was trying to get the ball down field that.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Wasn't his style right.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
In fact, Daniel Jones has only completed two of thirteen
attempted passes where it has gone more than twenty yards
in the air. Now, think about how great Gino throws
that deep ball.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
That's not going to be Daniel Jones strength. However, he
is tied for.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Lamar Jackson with the most completions thirty six of over
ten yards. So when you start go went into that short,
quick game, now you are finding.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Success, although they could be without their top process.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I was gonna say it'll be a big, big question, Marcus,
whether they have the leagu neighbors who's just been outstanding
the Zeroki, but unfortunately suffered a concussion last week, so
got to see if he's back, because yeah, he's been
a huge part of their passing game so far.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
You know what, if we're gonna talk about wide receivers,
I think it is time to take a quick break
and to bring in our Fantasy insider, Scott Ingel.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
Thanks Jenning John, and welcome to Week five of fantasy football.
With four teams on a bye, we have to give
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Jigba of the Seahawks on the field for eighty four
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It's tight end. We're all scrambling for help. Take a
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shot on Tyler Conklin of the New York Jets against
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and also on the Athletic Back to you Jen and
John for Week five Seahawks and Giants.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Thank you Scott Okay Seahawks wide receivers. Seahawks offensive scheme.
Does it get better than Jason and Jack's Zach Sharbonay
combined it for a trick play.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
In week four?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
That was so fun.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
That was so fun in Week four.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Yeah, and they've had that in their back pocket, yeah
for weeks.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I think somebody like, oh, they're copying the Lions, because
the Lion's just somewhat Somebody's like, no, they've been working
on that longer than that.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
It's every team.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Every team has different variations of those plays, but it
just looks so like it wasn't like some trick plays
they developed slowly and you're like, oh, what's going to happen?
But that was just like they made a look routine.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
It was pretty impressive.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
And also when that play gets called, you get one
shot to execute that.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
If you don't execute it, that's it.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Like you can't run that play again because now you've
already shown it. I say that maybe they could, I
don't know, but generally with a play like that, you
don't show it again. So if that is not a
successful play, well, not only did you just kind of
waste down on that one, but you wasted the chance
for that.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, you got to capitalize on those. So unfortunately they
did not score on the drive, but that did.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Help flip the field and you know, late in a half,
so it's still probably helped them avoid you know, giving
the ball back too early and anything like that.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
With what third and sixteen, I don't remember what.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
It was a low percentage play, but they sure made
it look easy.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
They figured it out.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Is Jackson Smith and jigbaw or DK Metcalf the better
wide receiver right now?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I mean, they're both really good I'm going to give
the nod to DK. I mean the guys he they're both.
I don't want to sound like I'm saying one guy's
not good, but like DK Metcalf is on that level
of like he's just a huge problem for every NFL defense.
You see teams scheming specifically to stop him. And he's
still got three straight one hundred yard games, which, by
the way, no one's done that in franchise history. Okay,
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so weird.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I know, how is this possible?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
He retired is the all time leading receiver in NFL
history when he left the game, and I think it
was nineteen ninety I'm doing But anyway, my point is
Steve Largent, all time great, never had three straight hundred
yard games. DK Metcalf just did it last three weeks.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Now Here's what I think I might end up to
be wrong on.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
And also I did intentionally such up to pick one
over the other, just to see what would happen. I
would say Jayson, and I know that he has always
been kind of that shifty slot guy, but what I
saw on Monday night, it just feels like he is.
I don't know if he's even more competitive there or
if he's even smoother, but there's something different to his
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game where Look, I'm not saying Tyler Lockett's not a factor,
but I really do like the youngster working inside and
keeping Tyler on the outside. Yeah, I mean, you just
you're gonna have to save those places to Tyler.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
And he's also what Jason is doing on third down.
He's just like so many third downs, he's taking that
where he maybe doesn't have as many big plays over
the course of a game, but he's a guy that
Joe Smith has figured out he can really make things
happen on these third down conversions.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yes, but here's where I might be wrong.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
When people were asking me who's going to be like
the top offensive player, and they want fantasy advice, which,
by the way, I do not give Scott Engele gives.
That's I defer to Scott. I said, look, I don't
I don't know that I would pick any wide receiver
because there's so many options in so many tools. I
think that the yards are just gonna get spread around
too much. I think I might be wrong on that.
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Now I know that we're only four games in. I
think I might be wrong based on what DK is doing.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yeah, I mean, we'll see over the course of the
season how plays out. But yeah, well he seems to
be taking his game to another level where and you know,
maybe some of this is the play caller too, of
Ryan Grubb and Gino Smith, just looking like, hey, this
guy's too good not to feed the ball to X
number of times a game. But again, like if teams
are trying to take that away, we've seen games where
there's a lot of attention on him and that's when
the other guys might feast, which you know, again from
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the fantasy standpoint, might be tricky because yeah, you know,
some teams have like a clear number one and that's
all they go to and the guy's gonna get fifteen
targets no matter what. Whereas there's gonna be games the
decayed Metcalf might feel more quiet, but man, he's been
he's been phenomenal so far.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
He can be quiet and all it takes is one
deep shot for seventy yards and suddenly he's right back
up there at the top of the stat sheet. So
I'm not worried about it. I just find it really curious.
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podcast where I need the two things that you need
to see on Sunday for a Seahawks win.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
What do we got we talked about earlier? I want
I want to get those turnovers. Yeah, I'm going to
be greedy here and say the Seahawks are currently minus
three this season. I want them to get all the
way back to even I'm to win a turner about.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
By three by three. Yeah, like I said, I'm getting greedy.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
But okay, yeah, you know, maybe maybe that's.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
We'll see, well, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Okay, but you know, especially if you get ahead and yep,
put them in a bad spot.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I think you can do that.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
The other one, when you look, the Giants have struggled
in a lot of areas. They're one and three, but
their defensive front is pretty nasty. They got some guys
that can really get after it. Dexter Lawrence one of
the best interior linemen in the NFL. So offensive line
is coming off a strong performance, especially when you consider
fifty six drop backs, like that's tough to block. I
want to see the offensive line, you know, continue to
(21:32):
progress and keep Geno Smith clean and minimize the hits
that he takes.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
You know what, that defense is really good at doing
keeping points off the board. In fact, they are among
the best at red zone defense, allowing opponents to score
just about forty percent of the time that they are
inside the twenty. So for the Seahawks, I want to
see points on the board. I'm not even going to
say it's suttling if you kick a field goal, but
(21:58):
you got to get points on the board. Maximize those opportunities.
The other part for the Seahawks defense. This might be
greedy on my part. I want to see a season
low in rushing yards allowed, which is a little tricky
because it was only sixty five against Miami. But make
this team one dimensional and then that feeds into your
(22:20):
turnover point and I think that that all comes out
pretty well. Well, great, we've schemed this up perfectly. Yeah,
I think if you listen to.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Us, Mike's going to put on this podcast and.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Oh, I mean, we just saved the coaches so much time,
score in the red zone and get the ball.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, this seems brilliant.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
I'm sure that you agree, and I'm sure that you
will be back next week for a brand new edition
of the Seahawks Insiders podcast.
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