May 8, 2025 • 39 mins
Dale and Matt share some of their music tastes to kickoff the show, discuss the Steelers' track record of moving on timely from players, and chat about next year's draft in Pittsburgh.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
At least.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven home of the Black and
Gold in Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly. He
is the Matt Williamson. It is a beautiful It really
is Thursday today.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, wow. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I am efforting to try to get down to a
CDC at ACTU. Sure, and I'm not sure I'm be
able to swing it, but a couple of my buds
last minute, Hey you want to go. I'm like, what
an awesome night that would be, you know, yeah, trying
to make that happen, right, had.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
These things people who sell tickets.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I know, I'm just I got a lot of balls
in the air and I'm not sure I can get
down there in time.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
It was last minute.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
We called an audible to the line of scrimmage, right, Okay,
I'm not saying I'm doubtful, but I'm highly questionable.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
I know that's one of your bands, oh, top five
for sure, yep.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
But we'd like to get down there. But I'm gonna try.
It's a Thursday, the Thursday, right, beautiful?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah? What's shaking? Oh? Not much?
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Are Matt Williamson's top five bands.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Ooh, number one is clearly Zeppelin, too, is Guns N' Roses,
threes Floyd. It's funny I actually thought about this recently.
Otherwise I would be this good at it. I would
say a CDC's four. Then I don't know how about sales.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I don't know the order. Let me kick some things
around here.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
But I think I go through different phases. Right, You see,
mine are all pretty much the same genre, right.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I have a bunch of Like, I listened to a
lot of different stuff at different times, particularly in my life,
but right right, bands that I go back to all
the time, Pearl Jams one.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
They wouldn't be my top five. If you're strong, they're
always there.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Joy Division Slash New Order, and they got jobbed in
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year. They
should have been in those guys. If you go back
and listen to early Joy Division, early New Order, whether
you like quote unquote post punk new wave music or not,
they set the stage, set the stage for everything that
(02:24):
came after it in the eighties everything.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
They were big time trendsetters, huge, huge, listen to that
all time. But they're definitely your top five, Oh without
a doubt.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Okay, Yeah, if I had like five albums that I
had to go live on an island and I got
these five albums, there would be a there would be
a New Order definitely one of them.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
The Wall would be my one. Well yeah, but I
also cheat and you get a double double, you.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Get a double.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I would take like Substance by New Order, which is
a double album that's not cheat of all their it's
a they don't call it the greatest Hits album and
like it came out in like eighty six, what kind
is Okay? They just remixed a bunch of their songs.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Yeah, they do that a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
So you get the the double album greatest Hits. See
that's sort of to me.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
That's not cheating because the plane's going down, your CD
collection is floating away, and you can only save one.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Right, I'm taking like I'm gonna have to swim to this,
swim to this island, right, holding this right CD or
tape or album the waters I swim.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yeah, you will grab the double, but that's it's not
any heavier to carry, you know, to swim to shore. Yeah,
so you grab the wall and you're like, oh physical
Graffiti's right, there is a double two. But oh well,
I gotta pick between my kids.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
You know, Zeppelin will be high on my Zeppelin will
be high on my list.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Yeah, what's that three?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Let me thinkly considering Van Halen is my fifth spot.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I'm a big Van Halen fan, particularly, I like the
early stuff better. But I mean that's I cut my
teeth on that. Like one of my first albums I bought.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Was Yeah, yeah, no one you know, hm, anything that
I had a tape of was. I was like one
of the first people I knew who went to CDs,
So I only had like fifteen tapes. Yeah, and I
didn't invest heavy and then I was like, oh CDs
I went crazy on.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Now they're Frisbees, Tom Petty and Heartbreakers. I was just saying, Petty,
You've you bring up a lot. Yeah, Like if I'm
driving around with you often, like on the radio, you'll
put the Petty station on.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, fantastic, fantastic.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
I mean like beetles and stones or it's almost like
cheating like that right right now. Yeah, but I think
they need to be mentioned.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
They do. They're like I thought about.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
The WHO classification of the who's very yeah, very popular,
very good. My fifth, I don't know my fifth would
be fifth. I have to look through my well, you
don't have I have. I still have all my old
tape and record and yeah, yeah, and CD collection I
probably caught. I'll bet you I had. I have spent
(05:12):
in my lifetime twenty five thousand dollars on music, which
for young people like justin over here, we're looking going,
are you out of your mind?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Twenty five thousand songs and ninety nine cents each.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, I just I have albums I have. I have
a ton of tapes. Yeah, I've got two hundred CDs.
You know, I just I like music back to.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
A CDC They would not have been in my top
five ten years ago or so. They clearly would have
been when I was like high school, you know, teenager
learning about them. But I kind of burned out on them.
And we actually had this conversation walking out of here
yesterday or the day before, because to pull back the curtain,
(06:00):
when you walk into here, DV is playing.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
We always get DV, and nine times out of ten
it's and a.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
CD is definitely the tune that I listened to most
before and after the drive, not to.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
My own long Time, Long Way to the Top.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
The theme song of our show is one of the
which is one of the they don't play it. They've
never played they don't play it in concert.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
So if you go, you don't, don't behold your A
long Way.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
To the Top because that's a Bond Scott song.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
That then they do play Bond Scott tunes.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
They do, but they don't do that one because that
one is kid like, like he learned to play the
bagpipes for that.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Song, gotcha, gotcha?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
So they just they don't.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
We used to have it. We have to wait until
the bagpipes came in.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
There's a long it's a long way to get to
the start of the shows, A long way to the top.
You gotta wait for the bagpipe. Yeah, if you want
long time listeners of the show will know this, like
you had to wait for the bagpipes to start.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
If you want to rock and roll, you gotta wait.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Fifth Man one, that's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Ben Halen's making a strong case in the battle. Hmm.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I go through stretches where I really like you too,
I don't like you too, Yeah, back and forth with that.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Hmm.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I never owned a lot of Motley Crewe discs, but
there are ten best songs I appreciated Strong, real Strong.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You know you know who else I really like Bob
Seger Strong too. This never saw him catalog like Pursuit
to Saw. I never got to see Segar live either,
but PURSUEA saw him on his final tour. Bob Seger
turned eighty earlier. His name was in the news story recently.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
And he said, you know, I wasn't a huge Seeger fan.
And then he went out and played for like two
and a half three hours and every song.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Was a hit.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Every one of my buddies I saw him have said
the exact same thing, like, just go see him live
and you'll you'll move him up a tier in your well.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
I forgot about that one, right, yeah, I forgot about
that one.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And you know every tune, Yeah, they've all been on
DVD a thousand times. Yeah right right.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
But I lived next door. So when I was a
kid growing up in tiny Freiburg, PA, I lived next
door to my mom's family. My mom was the oldest
oh yeah yeah, her two younger brothers, one was ten
years older than me, the other one was five years older.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Than me, okay, So we were always influences. So the
I mean.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah, and it was the seventies, you know, they had
they had a room upstairs in between their bedrooms. It
was like it was a closet, but they turned it
into a like just music listening center. Had had the
shelves near the stereo. All the records were in there
(08:49):
and stuff and just go in there and listen to
tunes hours at a time and you look at the
It was something special about being able to look at.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
The album cover. Yeah, I never had that, they said.
I went from the look.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
At it in the and other times they had these
little messages in there and that that's funny.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
No, there was.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
That's a different world that these people still wouldn't understand.
And it was even a little older for me. But man,
seventh and eighth grade, when I got home from school,
I put in a Zeppelin or Doors tape every day
and like wore them out and I've.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Probably odd on the doors there. They sound too much alike, Yeah,
I mean, but they were top a list for a long.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
But they were always listening like the Stones and the
Beatles for ye.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, but the.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
One my uncle Thius who's five years older than me,
was a huge Seeger fan, and so I was introduced
to you know, I'm ten years old listening to Seager.
It was like, you know, all the all of it,
you know, just stuck with that. And my older u
uncle Matthew was a huge Elton John, Guy Strong. There's
(09:54):
a big catalog, Garrett. But they also had a lot
of cross stuff that they listened to, like America and
No Yeah, yeah, just all the stuff from the seventies.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
It was I mean, America's Greatest Hits, Kansas, Greatest Hits Kansas.
You had form in the cars still right, all right,
I mean there's a ton to pick fromm yeah, none
of those would be my top band.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Elton Strong, Elton's Government, Elton.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
John is the first concert I ever saw. I went
with my uncle Matt.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
We went to the Blossom Music Center in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
You mentioned Boston. Boston was my first concert there, you go.
I was in the Civic arena with my uncle Ken
and they weren't great seats, but they were only memorable
seats because we were the first row, not on the floor,
but you might as well bet on the floor, right Yeah.
But I was young enough I stood on the hockey
boards and he just kind of held me so I
didn't fall over. But I mean it was a long view,
(10:44):
but if you're staying on the hockey boards, you could
see pretty well, you know, third stage.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Short little known fact as well, like and I've seen
him in concert, But Ted Nugent, it was huge in
the late seventies. Sure, he had aunts and uncles who
lived and who lived in a little town that I
grew up in and would come back.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
And visit on occasion. Okay, so Nugent was a big
I can see that.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I'm sure the whole town loved him.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Well, not the whole town because you know, well, I
guess he's a small conservative town.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
My mom, right, right, right, right, right, understood.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
But my my, my two uncles were friends with a
Nugent family. They were first.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Cousins of the musi.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Okay, so one time it was I played phone tag
with Ted Nugent thirty years ago. He was coming to
Pittsburgh and I was also did the outdoor stuff for
the Observer Reporter and he was coming in. I'm like, well,
wouldn't it be great to talk to Ted Nugent for
an outdoors Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Right, And you got a little bit of a hook. Yeah,
right right, We're.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Going to talk about Freiburg and a lot of stuff.
And I call him, I call his publicist. Oh, that'd
be great, Ted to love, He'll love to talk to
you about that.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Fantastic.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
He called at six o'clock in the morning to the office.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Was he still up or he's just.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Getting up He's Remember he's not a drinker.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I assumed he was a drinker. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
He doesn't do anything.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I know he does outdoor stuff, but he hunts.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Okay, so you know you're getting up a six o'clock
in the morning because you're gonn go out and kill something.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
But I worked with Bob Grove at the time, who
now does a lot of the penguin stuff. People recognize
the name if they follow the penguins. Bob and I
had desks that were next to each other. Well, they
sent the message the switchboard operators I was new at
the paper, sent the message to Bob's phone.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Oh wow, Bob.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Bob is a big nudgent fan. He thought that was
the best thing ever. I got a message like I
got a message here from for you, from Ted freaking nudgent.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Like, never delete it. That's the best. He probably still
has it. That's awesome, very cool. I don't know how
we get that, is right.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I don't either, but along those lines, I'm still blown
away that our buddy west Yueler rollerblades with uh James Taylor, Right,
his dad, who's in the orchestra toured with Taylor.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Dad's a big deal. His dad is a big deal.
We need to get a more incorporated dad.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
When you get off in Pittsburgh and you're walking through
the airport and there are videos of his dad playing
the violin.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Yeah, and I guess James Taylor's workout was he'd go
rollerblading during the day or whatever. And Wes was a
hockey player, and he's like they became buds. They were
rollerblading buddies.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
Yeah, flying around town with j T. See fire and
rain dude.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
A friend.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Anyways, let's get to a break.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
We'll get probably, we'll get back on track with football.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I guess my fifth one too. I'm gonna think about that.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
They about to give that some thought here. Yeah, it
might just be the Beatles. I know that's boring. The
Stones better than the Beatles.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
I sort of do too, but put an album on
start to finish it, because you've heard every song on there.
There's some there's a lot of Stone stuff. I would
be happy if I never heard again. I mean, because
they put out so much. They're great. Their top forty songs,
which is amazing that they have forty unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Songs might made.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Yeah, but if you put on any album, just hit
play like people used to do. One out of three
or two out of three is like, you know, we're
the Beatles. It's like whoa you put on Sergeant Peppers
forget about it?
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Well, sorry, Prappers.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Come on, I mean that's a pretty strong case meet
the Beatles or something like that and tell me you're
yeah right.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Right right.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I mean the early Beatles stuff is early Stones, though,
is stronger than early Beatles. Yeah, not even close. Yeah,
and much harsher, much harser.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Like Painted Black is still one of the all time
great songs.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Come on, oh yeah, sympathy. I mean, I mean they're again,
they're their catalog is awesome. But listening to every disc over,
you know, straight through would be a marathon with the Stones,
and not all of it would be great.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Okay, Yeah, anyways, We're gonna take a break. He is
Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lallistellers listening to the Drive
here on the Steelers Audio Network.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
We will be back with more right after.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I'm Dale Lolly.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
He is the Matt Williamson and Matt I'm looking here
at a headline super quick.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, Metallica and Fleetwood Mac also should.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Have been Fleetwood Mac will be hid my list.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I think the older I get, the more I like
them too.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
The catalog is strong.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Real strong, especially if you can include Stevie Nicks on
her own well. I mean that's half cheating.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
That's kind of cheat.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
It's kind of chee.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
I even like some of the like the pre Nick Buckingham.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Stuff is that's a strong group.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
I mean, oh well, at least he mentioned oh Well's
a great song.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Rihanna's probably number one for me, like a bellth of
the night. Wouldn't you love the lower I actually kind
of like Sarah, But it's a lot to pick fromm Yeah,
there's there's a lot yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Anyways, that dawned on me when I was getting on coffee.
I'm like, hey, at least got bring a Fleetwood Metallica is strong.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah, I was kind of you know, my wife and
I went to Maui a few right, right, and I
wanted to go to Mick Fleetwood's bar.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Oh yeah, Maui. That's cool.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
It burned down with it, yeah yeah, And she didn't
want to go, so we.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Didn't didn't go. Yeah, that's how that goes.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
It would have been cool though, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Heck, yeah, I'm sure there's Fleetwood Max stuff up around. Imagine,
imagine it's not much of a gimmick.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yeah, I don't know it is. Amis a bar, Yeah,
when they're in a bar. He owns a bar right
in Fleetwood.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
A huge van. He could probably get himself a bar right.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Probably owned several bars. So I'm alright.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I'm looking here at the headline.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Matt George Pickens traded the Cowboys. How Jerry Jones pulled
off a no lose move for the explosive wide receiver.
How is it a no lose move for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
There's no trade that's no lose, absolutely right, I mean,
he could get hurt. He could. I mean anything, you
gave something up.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
You gave something up. I understand they didn't give anything
up right now, right right right, but they got to
pay a salary. Sure, sure they got it. I mean
this isn't I know he could go in there.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
I mean, he's never been the second fiddle. He's going
to be the second fiddle he's That would be my concern. Yeah,
you know, like when you mentioned this before, you know,
the other day. I mean, he's not going to probably
get the target share that he's used to. No, I mean,
Lamb's not going away, And how does George handle that?
You know that that could be combustible. I also, this
(17:42):
is nothing to do with that move. I hate when
people are like one team won and one team lost.
I think it's a great move for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I really do.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
I mean I don't know that it's a no lose move, right,
but I think it's a great move for where they're
at and if it doesn't work out or hit free
agency and they'll eventually get some kind of comp pick back,
assuming they don't spend.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Like so, people are looking at this and going, well,
the Steelers, they could have waited and got a third
round compensatory pick back next year. You don't know that.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
They don't know that, right.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I mean, if he goes out this seaon, if he
would have gone out this year, blow out his knee, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you're not getting a third third round compensatory pickback them
two years from now, right.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
I mean, first off, it's a waiting game. It's a
year later, which you want all the picks you can
for this draft. And people, I love the comp game,
and I think the Steelers are very wary of it
now more than ever and are playing that on purpose.
And they're they're bringing in guys that get cut as
opposed to free agents. Right, they must listen to the show.
(18:45):
But you don't know what you're going to spend in
free agency. You don't know that's going to yield to three.
You may spend more than you let go, right, you know,
in the course of the equation. And Dallas might too.
They have been real active lately with outside the team.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
But let's say they get to the end C championship
this year and they want.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
They're gonna go get a big piece, or there's a
free agent quarterback the Steelers want to sign, or you know,
I mean there's.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
You don't know, you don't know until you know. And
case in point on this is Deontay Johnson. Remember the
Ravens played to the game. Deontay gets traded to Carolina, right,
the Ravens then trade for Deontay. Deontay decides, I'm not
gonna play. I refuse to go into the field. Hmm.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
If Pickens does something like.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
That, it's just a no lose situ, right, Okay, they
cut him, Houston.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Picks him up, Deonta you're talking about right.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
A couple of weeks later, Houston cuts him going into
the playoffs. Baltimore signs him back but tells him to
stay home because we're gonna play the comp game. Here,
want you in the building, right, We don't want you
into building. We're gonna pay you, but we're gonna play
the comp game.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Which is a bit of a loophole, but so be it.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Didn't work out.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
No, it didn't because he got signed to a vet
minimum deal after the comp picks were done, right, like
nobody was going to do them the a that favor
be he wasn't getting that kind of contract nobody wanted to.
Based on what happened to him last year.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I mean, he's on four teams in a year and
now he's on his fifth. I mean that's all you
need to know.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Now, that's a strange situation, Like I don't think that's
the route.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
But if if you would have told me two years ago,
Deontay Johnson is going to be a free agent.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Yeah, and nobody's going to give him.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Nobody wants anything more than a than a Brownson.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Better minimum, no signing bonus. That's that's a prove it deal. O,
that's a you're that's an deal.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Right right, Yeah, that's I don't know what percentage. I'd
say fifty to fifty chance to make the roster deal.
I mean he doesn't play special teams either, right, I
mean in his situation, if.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
You're the fourth receiver, you better at least do something
on kickoffs.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
So don't tell me that, Hey, this is a no
lose situation for the Cowboys because they can lose.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
No, Yeah, anybody could lose on a trade.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Sure, sure they either team could look at it in
three years and be like we should have made that track. Yeah,
I mean and that.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I can't remember the exact so think about when the
Bears traded for Chase Claypool. Oh, we've solved our wide
receiver problem. Yeah, we've got a round pick, a second
round pick next year. Then they get the first overall picking,
they get the first overall pick and draft they get
the first pick in the second round.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Now, all of a sudden, done, look quite so good.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
I don't think it'll happen, But who the heck knows.
The Steelers might end up with the first pick in
the third round from Dallas.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
That could happen.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Anything could happen, right right, Dallas could win the Super Bowl. Yeah,
Dak Prescott and Michael Parsons could get hurt again and
they could win three games.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, you don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Rookie head coach, right right, right, No.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
And I think that's gonna be a lot for him
to take on, too, the rookie head coach, just dealing
with a lot of personalities, and everything's bigger in Texas,
and there's always a microscope on Dallas and all those things.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
But I like him. I like the move for them,
I mean, for where they're at.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
I think it's not no risk, but it's not a
ton to give up, especially for now.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Makes all sense in the world. For the Steelers as well.
You know, I get it.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Yeah, but just.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
To think any trade is no risk is crazy. Though.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
The subhead on it is Jones opted not to draft
a receiver after missing out on Teed McMillan, then made
a great deal weeks later.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Okay, okay, right.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Again, right now, it looks like a good deal six
months from now, might not?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Right?
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Right, No, he's throwing his helmet on the sidelines again.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
We're refusing to go into The Steelers got ripped for
the Deontay Johnson trade. If you remember at the time too,
how could they give? How could they trade him away?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Well? Sometimes some tracks in his addition, you know, I mean.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
They were a better overall team last year without Deontay
Johnson than they had been the previous year. And that
wasn't all Deontay Johnson. It's not the only reason, right.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
But you.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
And I don't even want to I I never saw Deontay.
He was always fine with me, let's just put it
that way.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
But I never saw a work ethic issue. I never
saw any of that guy on the field. And but
you know there were times when they were less than
happy with his effort on the field. Yeah, Oh, there's
some instances on tape that aren't great. Yeah, that's for sure.
It's odd because there's such a track record and they're
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all different human beings in different stages of their life.
But it's amazing the receivers or with Steelers post Steelers,
it's like night and day. I mean, Johnson's like the
best example. But Juju ab Claypool. I mean, I'm not
saying Pickens is the same as them, but the history
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of the of the organization says, we know when to
get rid of these guys, you know, and or maybe
they get the most out of big characters or you know,
and they're not all hard.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
To deal with. I don't think Claypool was a problem. Yeah, yeah,
you know what I think about it.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah, but they sure seem to know when to hold
him and when to fold him on White House.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
And so this is the the bigger question in some instances,
because they've taken these guys in the second or third rounds.
You've you've kind of taken it a little bit of
a chance on a guy on a character, right right right,
or they be first rounder, or they be first ris
Antonio Brown was a little bit different because he very
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he was a six round draft pick, and you know,
it was what it was.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
That being said, I think I don't remember it being
public because it was longer ago, it's a smaller school,
it was a much later pick. But I think there
was things on AB when he got drafted to I mean,
some concerns about his character and so he's a different cat.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
You know, yeah, you know, not the not the what
he became, right right, right.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Right, But yeah, I mean he was a six round
pick for a reason, and he didn't run a great
fear forty that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
I don't even know that he trained for the forty or.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Any kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
But I mean, yeah, if you look at the guys
that they have traded away, right.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
I mean, even like Ab, they only got the sixty
six pick in the draft for him when he was
really really good. Yeah, but I'd rather have the sixty
sixth pick in the draft than post stealer AB.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
That was another one. It turned out to be the first.
It's either the first or second pick in the third round.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
It was an early one. Yeah yeah, yeah, like the
Claypool one.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
But they all were way better here than there, yeah,
I mean by a thousand. Yeah, even juju.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
I mean all those guys you know that for different reasons.
That doesn't mean Pickings will never catch a ball.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, it doesn't mean he may go to Dallas and
be great. Good for him if he does, I I
for his sake, I hope he is.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Yeah, I'm bringing it up more for the Steeler perspective
of I know there's people that don't love the trade
that are listening and there's something that get it.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Their track records pretty darn good though, of when to
move on from those guys.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Yeah, they don't do it for just no reason, right, And.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
It's not because he can't run anymore or he can't
catch anymore. It's well, he's kind of worn out as
welcome or we see a combustible situation.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Here, you know, it's better to get out of.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Bill Belichick's known not always right, but known for I'm
always gonna get out on a player a year early
than too late, you know. Like I remember they trade
Richard Seymour to the Raiders. I'm like, this dude's awesome. Yeah,
and he was still good for the Raiders, but they
thought the end was coming and he wasn't great long
for the Raiders, you know, they still got a first
round pick out of the guy. You know, unless you're Brady,
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he's gonna move on.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
For I've seen the argument Steelers should have gotten more
for Pickens. Would you just mentioned ab Yeah, yeah, you
got a three and a five for Antonio Brown, who's a
way better player. You got a three and f five
for George Pickens.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, frankly, the Claypool trade and
I thought this the time was a huge over was
a flee Yeah, I mean, I like, even if that
was the last pick in the second round, not knowing
the Bears are going to be terrible. But on the
day of the trade, on the drive, I'm sure we
were like, but they got a lot from that's an
overpaid right, I mean it's draft picks are really really
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valuable in this league.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I mean, there aren't many guys that go first or you.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Know, beyond quarterbacks. And this was my argument with the
whole Miles Garrett situation. You don't see non quarterbacks traded
for first round draft picks all that often in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
And it happened, It used to happen with a little
more regularity that there was like the Khalil Max and
Jamal Adams that were.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
For two first Yeah, not in recent years.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
And it hasn't worked out and the league learned its lesson.
It's really what happened. It's like you have to for
you to I always bring back to Sean Watson. But
I mean, like, and he's even a quarterback, Like for
the Watson trade to even be ye if he was
a stellar humanity, wow, yeah, to be worth what they
gave up, he had to be a top five quarterback.
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I mean that's hard bar to top five I mean
pro bowler every year and be the face of the
organization and stellar human being and all those things. And
you already had to check against you when he made
the deal. Nobody's given up two first round picks for
Jamal Adams anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Close.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
That's kind of like a Miles Garrett mac was a
little bit longer ago. Yeah, But even at the time
the Adams deal panned that like are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Right?
Speaker 4 (28:45):
That was dumb, right. I mean they're looking at him like, oh,
we got our next Cam Chancellor. Even if you do,
he's not worth two first round he's in safety. It's
an in the box guy. I mean, even if he
was everything cracked up to be. It's a bad deal.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Yeah, but the last I don't know, three or four
years just haven't seen that. I think I think teams
have wisened up to norse right, we're not going to
do that.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
We're not going to do that.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
That's crazy talk.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
There was a little stretch there and I think both
sides ended up being happy. Where Aj Brown, Tyreek Hill,
Stefan Diggs went for like a first. You know, Tyreek
was a little more and both teams, you know, Minnesota
moved on.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
To Justin Jefferson. They lucked out.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
That went well the Eagles because they took Reager instead
of Jefferson and kept messing on receiver.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Play it the other way.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
I'd be like, we have to get a guy. We're
terrible at it going out and getting receivers, but we'll
give up the first for Aj Brown and that worked.
I think both sides are happy. And the Tyreek deal,
you know, the Chiefs are up against it. They were
awesome players coming off their first contract, and they were
like about to come off their first contract.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
They were young and great.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
You know, really, if you look at it, the only
guy the only.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Receive their level. Now they got traded.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I mean Santonio Holmes was traded, I believe for a fifth.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
I think it was a fifth, right, which I thought
the time was extremely low. I wasn't working with the
Steelers at the time, but.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
And he was okay with the Jets. He never had
a thousand yard season with the Jets. Yeah, it was okay,
fifty two for seven, forty six, fifty one for six,
fifty four, twenty for two, seventy two, twenty three for four,
seventy four to fifty six, and then done.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Been done.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah, And I kind of forgot about that one because
that was noticeably before the others. But there's five or
six of them, including that one, where pretty prominent receiver
that was in every fantasy league or starter and a
lot of success here. Didn't do I think at the
next spot, or did much less. Yeah, I mean Ab
was great when he got trade. He was even good
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with the Bucks.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
AB's last game in Pittsburgh, Yeah, yeah, it was that
the same game, that was the same stame. He was
the best player in the NFL that day.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, I don't care what position you were looking at,
I don't care. Yeah, he was the best player in
the league.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
That day, and I would bet there were several days
of his life that he was about player in the league.
I mean, he was the best receiver in the league
for a long time, or right there with Oleo.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, they didn't trade Mark Thavis Bryant, right, I.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Don't believe so. And he just got suspended and they
released him.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Yeah, he was born a little too early. Yeah yeah, yeah. Anyways,
let's get to another break. He is the Matt Williamson.
I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Driver. You're
on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt, and now I'll be
back with more right after this.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
At least, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the
Black and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
And welcome back.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
I'm Dale Lolly.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
He is the Matt Williamson and Matt. Last weekend, it
was announced that Washington d C Will host twenty twenty
seven NFL Draft. There's going to be a press conference
on Monday on the north Shore Great Lawn to kind
of discuss some of the.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Particulars of the early particulars of the draft.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Here in Pittsburgh. I didn't know that.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Yeah, I just got the I just got to release
about it today.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Okay, So what you said Next Monday, they're going to
do a press conference over.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
There Monday five o'clock. You're going to have the Alleghany
County Executive. He's going to be there, the Mayor of
Pittsburgh visit. Pittsburgh President and CEO will be there. Art
Rooney the second will be there. They're going to have
representatives from the twenty twenty six NFL Pittsburgh Host Committee there. Uh,
and then some local youth sports representatives. Cool, because this
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is the draft. Isn't just the draft.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Oh no, it's become an event.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
It's becoming it's becoming a city wide event and not
just a citywide event. But they come in and they build,
you know, they upgrade youth facilities.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
The NFL puts money into the city, into the city.
It's not football, right right, right right?
Speaker 4 (33:03):
I mean maybe they even do again, this is not
my area of expertise at all. Do they do some
construction that helps the city but also helps that Draft
day whatever?
Speaker 1 (33:13):
You know what I mean? I mean, it's not the
Super Bowl, but it's.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Sort of like that where it's a city wide The
next closest thing the Super Bowl is the Draft.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
You know.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
I assume they'll get a lot more people than went
to Green Bay, and green Bay had hundreds of thousands.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
The record, I believe is seven hundred and twenty five
thousand people. That was in Detroit two years ago.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
I would expect Pittsburgh to surpass that they're expecting.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I remember Nashville was nuts too. He watched it on TV.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
I think it was seven hundred thousand.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Ok.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
They're estimating that they'll get over a million people in DC.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
In DC like that will probably beat Pittsburgh too.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
They have more rooms, they're gonna hold it on a
national lawn, and.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Yeah, yeah, I mean obviously it's the capital of the country.
They can it's a little bit different situation.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Is there political problems with it though? I mean, like
and there's no issues with it being there in terms
of security or anything like that, or maybe it's even better.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Is there any more secure city than d C? I
don't think so.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
That's probably a good thing for them.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Yeah, Okay, do we know that it Yeah, when it's
here next year, it's going to be over by accuser somewhere.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Right, I know it's going to be right next to
Stage AE.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Okay, so you know, set it up the open.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Area there from Stage AE over to those parking garages
and back.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Okay, back as far as we can go. Yeah, that's cool.
And I assume you can get a ton of people
crowded in there, no question.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
More so than what so. I've been obviously the Green
Bay and I know exactly where they held it at
Green Bany and the parking lot in front of the stadium.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
But that's kind of a neighborhood, right.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
Which, yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Right, it's a big parking lot there, but they had to,
like at one point on I believe Friday, they had
to shut it down, like we can't get any more
people in here.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, I mean there's a limit.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
There's a limit to what they could fit in there,
Whereas in Pittsburgh, I think you could have a little
bit more in and out with some of those areas there.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
And obviously Pittsburgh is not the biggest city in the country,
but it could house a lot more people than Green
Bay can right there.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
No, I mean there's no hotel right the Green Bay,
Wisconsin has about probably ten hotels, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
And then they get full ten times a year. Yeah,
that's about it. Right on the road, they don't.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
I mean I can remember years the Steelers staying in Appleton, Wisconsin.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Yeah, which is a good half an hour away.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
How far is Milwaukee?
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Milwaukee is about between an hour and a half and
two hours ago.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I mean that would be I'm sure Milwaukee was packed
for Draft week.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Like we stayed the last time I went there. We
stayed in We've flew into Chicago. We stayed in Milwaukee,
Chicago to Milwaukee's for.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Minutes superclo right yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, and then drove up and it was maybe two hours,
give or take to get up to the game.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
He's just driving meright along the lake. Can Pittsburgh handle
a million people coming in?
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Well, I mean it's going to be you know, the
the You're going to have the hotels all across the
area are going to be swamp Like I expect everything
in Washington County to be booked up.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Oh, I would think I would think anything within an hour. Yeah,
I mean maybe even in the WVU area, you know,
not Penn State, but maybe all the way to Johnstown.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
For example, pitt when pitt would play at a lot
of teams when they go to WVU, we'll stay at
the Meadowlands.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Just to think where we stayed. We might have.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, I remember seeing that one day. I was driving
over by the Meadowlands and I see these guys. There's
like five guys in Clemson warm ups walking down this yeah,
walking down the highway to go to the there's some
restaurants and stuff. And I'm like, huh. And I was
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talking with Hillgrove about it, and he's like, oh, yeah,
we always stay at the meadal Land.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah. So I think we did back in the day too.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
Yeah, there's a.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Big holiday in there. It's like halfway between Pittsburgh and Morgantown.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Yeah, I mean it's not a bad drive after that
at all. I mean there's sometimes you have to be
further out than that. Yeah, okay, so yeah, I mean
meadow Lands will be packed for the draft obviously, I
mean much further probably.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah. It's gonna be interesting, it's going to be curious.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
It's a regional event, it really is. Okay, it's going
to be a regional event, and I expect a ton
of people YEA to be coming. I would expect them
to get more than the seven to twenty five they
had in Detroit. I'm guessing that Pittsburgh's an easier city
to get to, not that Detroit's real hard in terms
of you know, if you want to get a flight
to Detroit and can get a flight to Detroit, but
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Pittsburgh drive wise, is probably driveable. I sat down figured
it out one time. It was like thirteen or fourteen
NFL cities you can drive. You're within like five or
six hours of We we started.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
That with Indianapolis, like it's one of the best ones,
which is a huge reason the combine was there originally,
you know.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
But yeah, you're right.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
If you start looking at the everyone in division, the Eagles,
you know, Buffalo, you can get to ten super.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Quick, DC, Buffalo, Indy, Indy, Detroit.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Detroit, Charlotte is about a seven and a half hour drive,
give or take, depending on where you're coming from.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
New York twice twice that that counts twice six the
whole division. Yeah, some of the obvious ones. Philly, you know, No,
you get to twelve or so pretty quick.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
I did drive to New England one time. I don't
know that everyone recommended. No, that was that was a
full That was an all day event.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was for a playoff game.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Though, I'm trying to think how far you even go,
Like Saint Louis is too far, I would think.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I know, I've known people that have driven that one.
I've driven to Nashville. It's like eight and a half,
somewhere in that range.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
I think I've mentioned on the air before. But like
the rule or the guideline with the Browns with our
travel was if it's a six hour drive or less,
just drive it. Otherwise fly. I always made it eight,
like I would prefer to drive. You know, it's post
nine to eleven. It's just yeah, that was Yeah, it
was post nine eleven.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yeah before that, I mean, you walk into the airport
five minutes before you're flighting, you're on.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
It wasn't like they didn't mind paying for it, but
it was like most scouts were like six or less.
I would just drive, but I was always eight. You know,
I could stop or whatever, you know, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that'd be cool. We learned some Chicago from Pittsburgh is
not Yeah that's not crazy crazy, Yeah that's not that bad.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
So anyways, let's get to a break that's going to
do it for hour number one of the Drive here
on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I'll be back
with hour number two right after this
At least.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven home of the Black and
Gold in Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly. He
is the Matt Williamson. It is a beautiful It really
is Thursday today.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, wow. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I am efforting to try to get down to a
CDC at ACTU. Sure, and I'm not sure I'm be
able to swing it, but a couple of my buds
last minute, Hey you want to go. I'm like, what
an awesome night that would be, you know, yeah, trying
to make that happen, right, had.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
These things people who sell tickets.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I know, I'm just I got a lot of balls
in the air and I'm not sure I can get
down there in time.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
It was last minute.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
We called an audible to the line of scrimmage, right, Okay,
I'm not saying I'm doubtful, but I'm highly questionable.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
I know that's one of your bands, oh, top five
for sure, yep.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
But we'd like to get down there. But I'm gonna try.
It's a Thursday, the Thursday, right, beautiful?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah? What's shaking? Oh? Not much?
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Are Matt Williamson's top five bands.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Ooh, number one is clearly Zeppelin, too, is Guns N' Roses,
threes Floyd. It's funny I actually thought about this recently.
Otherwise I would be this good at it. I would
say a CDC's four. Then I don't know how about sales.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I don't know the order. Let me kick some things
around here.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
But I think I go through different phases. Right, You see,
mine are all pretty much the same genre, right.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I have a bunch of Like, I listened to a
lot of different stuff at different times, particularly in my life,
but right right, bands that I go back to all
the time, Pearl Jams one.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
They wouldn't be my top five. If you're strong, they're
always there.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Joy Division Slash New Order, and they got jobbed in
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year. They
should have been in those guys. If you go back
and listen to early Joy Division, early New Order, whether
you like quote unquote post punk new wave music or not,
they set the stage, set the stage for everything that
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came after it in the eighties everything.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
They were big time trendsetters, huge, huge, listen to that
all time. But they're definitely your top five, Oh without
a doubt.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Okay, Yeah, if I had like five albums that I
had to go live on an island and I got
these five albums, there would be a there would be
a New Order definitely one of them.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
The Wall would be my one. Well yeah, but I
also cheat and you get a double double, you.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Get a double.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I would take like Substance by New Order, which is
a double album that's not cheat of all their it's
a they don't call it the greatest Hits album and
like it came out in like eighty six, what kind
is Okay? They just remixed a bunch of their songs.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Yeah, they do that a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
So you get the the double album greatest Hits. See
that's sort of to me.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
That's not cheating because the plane's going down, your CD
collection is floating away, and you can only save one.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Right, I'm taking like I'm gonna have to swim to this,
swim to this island, right, holding this right CD or
tape or album the waters I swim.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yeah, you will grab the double, but that's it's not
any heavier to carry, you know, to swim to shore. Yeah,
so you grab the wall and you're like, oh physical
Graffiti's right, there is a double two. But oh well,
I gotta pick between my kids.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
You know, Zeppelin will be high on my Zeppelin will
be high on my list.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Yeah, what's that three?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Let me thinkly considering Van Halen is my fifth spot.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I'm a big Van Halen fan, particularly, I like the
early stuff better. But I mean that's I cut my
teeth on that. Like one of my first albums I bought.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Was Yeah, yeah, no one you know, hm, anything that
I had a tape of was. I was like one
of the first people I knew who went to CDs,
So I only had like fifteen tapes. Yeah, and I
didn't invest heavy and then I was like, oh CDs
I went crazy on.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Now they're Frisbees, Tom Petty and Heartbreakers. I was just saying, Petty,
You've you bring up a lot. Yeah, Like if I'm
driving around with you often, like on the radio, you'll
put the Petty station on.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, fantastic, fantastic.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
I mean like beetles and stones or it's almost like
cheating like that right right now. Yeah, but I think
they need to be mentioned.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
They do. They're like I thought about.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
The WHO classification of the who's very yeah, very popular,
very good. My fifth, I don't know my fifth would
be fifth. I have to look through my well, you
don't have I have. I still have all my old
tape and record and yeah, yeah, and CD collection I
probably caught. I'll bet you I had. I have spent
(05:12):
in my lifetime twenty five thousand dollars on music, which
for young people like justin over here, we're looking going,
are you out of your mind?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Twenty five thousand songs and ninety nine cents each.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, I just I have albums I have. I have
a ton of tapes. Yeah, I've got two hundred CDs.
You know, I just I like music back to.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
A CDC They would not have been in my top
five ten years ago or so. They clearly would have
been when I was like high school, you know, teenager
learning about them. But I kind of burned out on them.
And we actually had this conversation walking out of here
yesterday or the day before, because to pull back the curtain,
(06:00):
when you walk into here, DV is playing.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
We always get DV, and nine times out of ten
it's and a.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
CD is definitely the tune that I listened to most
before and after the drive, not to.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
My own long Time, Long Way to the Top.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
The theme song of our show is one of the
which is one of the they don't play it. They've
never played they don't play it in concert.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
So if you go, you don't, don't behold your A
long Way.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
To the Top because that's a Bond Scott song.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
That then they do play Bond Scott tunes.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
They do, but they don't do that one because that
one is kid like, like he learned to play the
bagpipes for that.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Song, gotcha, gotcha?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
So they just they don't.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
We used to have it. We have to wait until
the bagpipes came in.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
There's a long it's a long way to get to
the start of the shows, A long way to the top.
You gotta wait for the bagpipe. Yeah, if you want
long time listeners of the show will know this, like
you had to wait for the bagpipes to start.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
If you want to rock and roll, you gotta wait.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Fifth Man one, that's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Ben Halen's making a strong case in the battle. Hmm.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I go through stretches where I really like you too,
I don't like you too, Yeah, back and forth with that.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Hmm.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I never owned a lot of Motley Crewe discs, but
there are ten best songs I appreciated Strong, real Strong.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You know you know who else I really like Bob
Seger Strong too. This never saw him catalog like Pursuit
to Saw. I never got to see Segar live either,
but PURSUEA saw him on his final tour. Bob Seger
turned eighty earlier. His name was in the news story recently.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
And he said, you know, I wasn't a huge Seeger fan.
And then he went out and played for like two
and a half three hours and every song.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Was a hit.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Every one of my buddies I saw him have said
the exact same thing, like, just go see him live
and you'll you'll move him up a tier in your well.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
I forgot about that one, right, yeah, I forgot about
that one.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And you know every tune, Yeah, they've all been on
DVD a thousand times. Yeah right right.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
But I lived next door. So when I was a
kid growing up in tiny Freiburg, PA, I lived next
door to my mom's family. My mom was the oldest
oh yeah yeah, her two younger brothers, one was ten
years older than me, the other one was five years older.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Than me, okay, So we were always influences. So the
I mean.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah, and it was the seventies, you know, they had
they had a room upstairs in between their bedrooms. It
was like it was a closet, but they turned it
into a like just music listening center. Had had the
shelves near the stereo. All the records were in there
(08:49):
and stuff and just go in there and listen to
tunes hours at a time and you look at the
It was something special about being able to look at.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
The album cover. Yeah, I never had that, they said.
I went from the look.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
At it in the and other times they had these
little messages in there and that that's funny.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
No, there was.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
That's a different world that these people still wouldn't understand.
And it was even a little older for me. But man,
seventh and eighth grade, when I got home from school,
I put in a Zeppelin or Doors tape every day
and like wore them out and I've.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Probably odd on the doors there. They sound too much alike, Yeah,
I mean, but they were top a list for a long.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
But they were always listening like the Stones and the
Beatles for ye.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, but the.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
One my uncle Thius who's five years older than me,
was a huge Seeger fan, and so I was introduced
to you know, I'm ten years old listening to Seager.
It was like, you know, all the all of it,
you know, just stuck with that. And my older u
uncle Matthew was a huge Elton John, Guy Strong. There's
(09:54):
a big catalog, Garrett. But they also had a lot
of cross stuff that they listened to, like America and
No Yeah, yeah, just all the stuff from the seventies.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
It was I mean, America's Greatest Hits, Kansas, Greatest Hits Kansas.
You had form in the cars still right, all right,
I mean there's a ton to pick fromm yeah, none
of those would be my top band.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Elton Strong, Elton's Government, Elton.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
John is the first concert I ever saw. I went
with my uncle Matt.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
We went to the Blossom Music Center in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
You mentioned Boston. Boston was my first concert there, you go.
I was in the Civic arena with my uncle Ken
and they weren't great seats, but they were only memorable
seats because we were the first row, not on the floor,
but you might as well bet on the floor, right Yeah.
But I was young enough I stood on the hockey
boards and he just kind of held me so I
didn't fall over. But I mean it was a long view,
(10:44):
but if you're staying on the hockey boards, you could
see pretty well, you know, third stage.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Short little known fact as well, like and I've seen
him in concert, But Ted Nugent, it was huge in
the late seventies. Sure, he had aunts and uncles who
lived and who lived in a little town that I
grew up in and would come back.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
And visit on occasion. Okay, so Nugent was a big
I can see that.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I'm sure the whole town loved him.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Well, not the whole town because you know, well, I
guess he's a small conservative town.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
My mom, right, right, right, right, right, understood.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
But my my, my two uncles were friends with a
Nugent family. They were first.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Cousins of the musi.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Okay, so one time it was I played phone tag
with Ted Nugent thirty years ago. He was coming to
Pittsburgh and I was also did the outdoor stuff for
the Observer Reporter and he was coming in. I'm like, well,
wouldn't it be great to talk to Ted Nugent for
an outdoors Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Right, And you got a little bit of a hook. Yeah,
right right, We're.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Going to talk about Freiburg and a lot of stuff.
And I call him, I call his publicist. Oh, that'd
be great, Ted to love, He'll love to talk to
you about that.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Fantastic.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
He called at six o'clock in the morning to the office.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Was he still up or he's just.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Getting up He's Remember he's not a drinker.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I assumed he was a drinker. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
He doesn't do anything.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I know he does outdoor stuff, but he hunts.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Okay, so you know you're getting up a six o'clock
in the morning because you're gonn go out and kill something.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
But I worked with Bob Grove at the time, who
now does a lot of the penguin stuff. People recognize
the name if they follow the penguins. Bob and I
had desks that were next to each other. Well, they
sent the message the switchboard operators I was new at
the paper, sent the message to Bob's phone.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Oh wow, Bob.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Bob is a big nudgent fan. He thought that was
the best thing ever. I got a message like I
got a message here from for you, from Ted freaking nudgent.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Like, never delete it. That's the best. He probably still
has it. That's awesome, very cool. I don't know how
we get that, is right.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I don't either, but along those lines, I'm still blown
away that our buddy west Yueler rollerblades with uh James Taylor, Right,
his dad, who's in the orchestra toured with Taylor.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Dad's a big deal. His dad is a big deal.
We need to get a more incorporated dad.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
When you get off in Pittsburgh and you're walking through
the airport and there are videos of his dad playing
the violin.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Yeah, and I guess James Taylor's workout was he'd go
rollerblading during the day or whatever. And Wes was a
hockey player, and he's like they became buds. They were
rollerblading buddies.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
Yeah, flying around town with j T. See fire and
rain dude.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
A friend.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Anyways, let's get to a break.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
We'll get probably, we'll get back on track with football.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I guess my fifth one too. I'm gonna think about that.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
They about to give that some thought here. Yeah, it
might just be the Beatles. I know that's boring. The
Stones better than the Beatles.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
I sort of do too, but put an album on
start to finish it, because you've heard every song on there.
There's some there's a lot of Stone stuff. I would
be happy if I never heard again. I mean, because
they put out so much. They're great. Their top forty songs,
which is amazing that they have forty unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Songs might made.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Yeah, but if you put on any album, just hit
play like people used to do. One out of three
or two out of three is like, you know, we're
the Beatles. It's like whoa you put on Sergeant Peppers
forget about it?
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Well, sorry, Prappers.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Come on, I mean that's a pretty strong case meet
the Beatles or something like that and tell me you're
yeah right.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Right right.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I mean the early Beatles stuff is early Stones, though,
is stronger than early Beatles. Yeah, not even close. Yeah,
and much harsher, much harser.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Like Painted Black is still one of the all time
great songs.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Come on, oh yeah, sympathy. I mean, I mean they're again,
they're their catalog is awesome. But listening to every disc over,
you know, straight through would be a marathon with the Stones,
and not all of it would be great.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Okay, Yeah, anyways, We're gonna take a break. He is
Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lallistellers listening to the Drive
here on the Steelers Audio Network.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
We will be back with more right after.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I'm Dale Lolly.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
He is the Matt Williamson and Matt I'm looking here
at a headline super quick.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, Metallica and Fleetwood Mac also should.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Have been Fleetwood Mac will be hid my list.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I think the older I get, the more I like
them too.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
The catalog is strong.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Real strong, especially if you can include Stevie Nicks on
her own well. I mean that's half cheating.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
That's kind of cheat.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
It's kind of chee.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
I even like some of the like the pre Nick Buckingham.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Stuff is that's a strong group.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
I mean, oh well, at least he mentioned oh Well's
a great song.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Rihanna's probably number one for me, like a bellth of
the night. Wouldn't you love the lower I actually kind
of like Sarah, But it's a lot to pick fromm Yeah,
there's there's a lot yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Anyways, that dawned on me when I was getting on coffee.
I'm like, hey, at least got bring a Fleetwood Metallica is strong.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah, I was kind of you know, my wife and
I went to Maui a few right, right, and I
wanted to go to Mick Fleetwood's bar.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Oh yeah, Maui. That's cool.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
It burned down with it, yeah yeah, And she didn't
want to go, so we.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Didn't didn't go. Yeah, that's how that goes.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
It would have been cool though, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Heck, yeah, I'm sure there's Fleetwood Max stuff up around. Imagine,
imagine it's not much of a gimmick.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yeah, I don't know it is. Amis a bar, Yeah,
when they're in a bar. He owns a bar right
in Fleetwood.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
A huge van. He could probably get himself a bar right.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Probably owned several bars. So I'm alright.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I'm looking here at the headline.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Matt George Pickens traded the Cowboys. How Jerry Jones pulled
off a no lose move for the explosive wide receiver.
How is it a no lose move for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
There's no trade that's no lose, absolutely right, I mean,
he could get hurt. He could. I mean anything, you
gave something up.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
You gave something up. I understand they didn't give anything
up right now, right right right, but they got to
pay a salary. Sure, sure they got it. I mean
this isn't I know he could go in there.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
I mean, he's never been the second fiddle. He's going
to be the second fiddle he's That would be my concern. Yeah,
you know, like when you mentioned this before, you know,
the other day. I mean, he's not going to probably
get the target share that he's used to. No, I mean,
Lamb's not going away, And how does George handle that?
You know that that could be combustible. I also, this
(17:42):
is nothing to do with that move. I hate when
people are like one team won and one team lost.
I think it's a great move for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I really do.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
I mean I don't know that it's a no lose move, right,
but I think it's a great move for where they're
at and if it doesn't work out or hit free
agency and they'll eventually get some kind of comp pick back,
assuming they don't spend.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Like so, people are looking at this and going, well,
the Steelers, they could have waited and got a third
round compensatory pick back next year. You don't know that.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
They don't know that, right.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I mean, if he goes out this seaon, if he
would have gone out this year, blow out his knee, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you're not getting a third third round compensatory pickback them
two years from now, right.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
I mean, first off, it's a waiting game. It's a
year later, which you want all the picks you can
for this draft. And people, I love the comp game,
and I think the Steelers are very wary of it
now more than ever and are playing that on purpose.
And they're they're bringing in guys that get cut as
opposed to free agents. Right, they must listen to the show.
(18:45):
But you don't know what you're going to spend in
free agency. You don't know that's going to yield to three.
You may spend more than you let go, right, you know,
in the course of the equation. And Dallas might too.
They have been real active lately with outside the team.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
But let's say they get to the end C championship
this year and they want.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
They're gonna go get a big piece, or there's a
free agent quarterback the Steelers want to sign, or you know,
I mean there's.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
You don't know, you don't know until you know. And
case in point on this is Deontay Johnson. Remember the
Ravens played to the game. Deontay gets traded to Carolina, right,
the Ravens then trade for Deontay. Deontay decides, I'm not
gonna play. I refuse to go into the field. Hmm.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
If Pickens does something like.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
That, it's just a no lose situ, right, Okay, they
cut him, Houston.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Picks him up, Deonta you're talking about right.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
A couple of weeks later, Houston cuts him going into
the playoffs. Baltimore signs him back but tells him to
stay home because we're gonna play the comp game. Here,
want you in the building, right, We don't want you
into building. We're gonna pay you, but we're gonna play
the comp game.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Which is a bit of a loophole, but so be it.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Didn't work out.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
No, it didn't because he got signed to a vet
minimum deal after the comp picks were done, right, like
nobody was going to do them the a that favor
be he wasn't getting that kind of contract nobody wanted to.
Based on what happened to him last year.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I mean, he's on four teams in a year and
now he's on his fifth. I mean that's all you
need to know.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Now, that's a strange situation, Like I don't think that's
the route.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
But if if you would have told me two years ago,
Deontay Johnson is going to be a free agent.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Yeah, and nobody's going to give him.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Nobody wants anything more than a than a Brownson.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Better minimum, no signing bonus. That's that's a prove it deal. O,
that's a you're that's an deal.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Right right, Yeah, that's I don't know what percentage. I'd
say fifty to fifty chance to make the roster deal.
I mean he doesn't play special teams either, right, I
mean in his situation, if.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
You're the fourth receiver, you better at least do something
on kickoffs.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
So don't tell me that, Hey, this is a no
lose situation for the Cowboys because they can lose.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
No, Yeah, anybody could lose on a trade.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Sure, sure they either team could look at it in
three years and be like we should have made that track. Yeah,
I mean and that.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I can't remember the exact so think about when the
Bears traded for Chase Claypool. Oh, we've solved our wide
receiver problem. Yeah, we've got a round pick, a second
round pick next year. Then they get the first overall picking,
they get the first overall pick and draft they get
the first pick in the second round.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Now, all of a sudden, done, look quite so good.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
I don't think it'll happen, But who the heck knows.
The Steelers might end up with the first pick in
the third round from Dallas.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
That could happen.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Anything could happen, right right, Dallas could win the Super Bowl. Yeah,
Dak Prescott and Michael Parsons could get hurt again and
they could win three games.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, you don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Rookie head coach, right right, right, No.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
And I think that's gonna be a lot for him
to take on, too, the rookie head coach, just dealing
with a lot of personalities, and everything's bigger in Texas,
and there's always a microscope on Dallas and all those things.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
But I like him. I like the move for them,
I mean, for where they're at.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
I think it's not no risk, but it's not a
ton to give up, especially for now.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Makes all sense in the world. For the Steelers as well.
You know, I get it.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Yeah, but just.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
To think any trade is no risk is crazy. Though.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
The subhead on it is Jones opted not to draft
a receiver after missing out on Teed McMillan, then made
a great deal weeks later.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Okay, okay, right.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Again, right now, it looks like a good deal six
months from now, might not?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Right?
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Right, No, he's throwing his helmet on the sidelines again.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
We're refusing to go into The Steelers got ripped for
the Deontay Johnson trade. If you remember at the time too,
how could they give? How could they trade him away?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Well? Sometimes some tracks in his addition, you know, I mean.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
They were a better overall team last year without Deontay
Johnson than they had been the previous year. And that
wasn't all Deontay Johnson. It's not the only reason, right.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
But you.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
And I don't even want to I I never saw Deontay.
He was always fine with me, let's just put it
that way.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
But I never saw a work ethic issue. I never
saw any of that guy on the field. And but
you know there were times when they were less than
happy with his effort on the field. Yeah, Oh, there's
some instances on tape that aren't great. Yeah, that's for sure.
It's odd because there's such a track record and they're
(23:47):
all different human beings in different stages of their life.
But it's amazing the receivers or with Steelers post Steelers,
it's like night and day. I mean, Johnson's like the
best example. But Juju ab Claypool. I mean, I'm not
saying Pickens is the same as them, but the history
(24:09):
of the of the organization says, we know when to
get rid of these guys, you know, and or maybe
they get the most out of big characters or you know,
and they're not all hard.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
To deal with. I don't think Claypool was a problem. Yeah, yeah,
you know what I think about it.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah, but they sure seem to know when to hold
him and when to fold him on White House.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
And so this is the the bigger question in some instances,
because they've taken these guys in the second or third rounds.
You've you've kind of taken it a little bit of
a chance on a guy on a character, right right right,
or they be first rounder, or they be first ris
Antonio Brown was a little bit different because he very
(24:51):
he was a six round draft pick, and you know,
it was what it was.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
That being said, I think I don't remember it being
public because it was longer ago, it's a smaller school,
it was a much later pick. But I think there
was things on AB when he got drafted to I mean,
some concerns about his character and so he's a different cat.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
You know, yeah, you know, not the not the what
he became, right right, right.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Right, But yeah, I mean he was a six round
pick for a reason, and he didn't run a great
fear forty that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
I don't even know that he trained for the forty or.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Any kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
But I mean, yeah, if you look at the guys
that they have traded away, right.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
I mean, even like Ab, they only got the sixty
six pick in the draft for him when he was
really really good. Yeah, but I'd rather have the sixty
sixth pick in the draft than post stealer AB.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
That was another one. It turned out to be the first.
It's either the first or second pick in the third round.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
It was an early one. Yeah yeah, yeah, like the
Claypool one.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
But they all were way better here than there, yeah,
I mean by a thousand. Yeah, even juju.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
I mean all those guys you know that for different reasons.
That doesn't mean Pickings will never catch a ball.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, it doesn't mean he may go to Dallas and
be great. Good for him if he does, I I
for his sake, I hope he is.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Yeah, I'm bringing it up more for the Steeler perspective
of I know there's people that don't love the trade
that are listening and there's something that get it.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Their track records pretty darn good though, of when to
move on from those guys.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Yeah, they don't do it for just no reason, right, And.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
It's not because he can't run anymore or he can't
catch anymore. It's well, he's kind of worn out as
welcome or we see a combustible situation.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Here, you know, it's better to get out of.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Bill Belichick's known not always right, but known for I'm
always gonna get out on a player a year early
than too late, you know. Like I remember they trade
Richard Seymour to the Raiders. I'm like, this dude's awesome. Yeah,
and he was still good for the Raiders, but they
thought the end was coming and he wasn't great long
for the Raiders, you know, they still got a first
round pick out of the guy. You know, unless you're Brady,
(26:59):
he's gonna move on.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
For I've seen the argument Steelers should have gotten more
for Pickens. Would you just mentioned ab Yeah, yeah, you
got a three and a five for Antonio Brown, who's a
way better player. You got a three and f five
for George Pickens.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, frankly, the Claypool trade and
I thought this the time was a huge over was
a flee Yeah, I mean, I like, even if that
was the last pick in the second round, not knowing
the Bears are going to be terrible. But on the
day of the trade, on the drive, I'm sure we
were like, but they got a lot from that's an
overpaid right, I mean it's draft picks are really really
(27:32):
valuable in this league.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I mean, there aren't many guys that go first or you.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Know, beyond quarterbacks. And this was my argument with the
whole Miles Garrett situation. You don't see non quarterbacks traded
for first round draft picks all that often in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
And it happened, It used to happen with a little
more regularity that there was like the Khalil Max and
Jamal Adams that were.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
For two first Yeah, not in recent years.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
And it hasn't worked out and the league learned its lesson.
It's really what happened. It's like you have to for
you to I always bring back to Sean Watson. But
I mean, like, and he's even a quarterback, Like for
the Watson trade to even be ye if he was
a stellar humanity, wow, yeah, to be worth what they
gave up, he had to be a top five quarterback.
(28:18):
I mean that's hard bar to top five I mean
pro bowler every year and be the face of the
organization and stellar human being and all those things. And
you already had to check against you when he made
the deal. Nobody's given up two first round picks for
Jamal Adams anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Close.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
That's kind of like a Miles Garrett mac was a
little bit longer ago. Yeah, But even at the time
the Adams deal panned that like are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Right?
Speaker 4 (28:45):
That was dumb, right. I mean they're looking at him like, oh,
we got our next Cam Chancellor. Even if you do,
he's not worth two first round he's in safety. It's
an in the box guy. I mean, even if he
was everything cracked up to be. It's a bad deal.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Yeah, but the last I don't know, three or four
years just haven't seen that. I think I think teams
have wisened up to norse right, we're not going to
do that.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
We're not going to do that.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
That's crazy talk.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
There was a little stretch there and I think both
sides ended up being happy. Where Aj Brown, Tyreek Hill,
Stefan Diggs went for like a first. You know, Tyreek
was a little more and both teams, you know, Minnesota
moved on.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
To Justin Jefferson. They lucked out.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
That went well the Eagles because they took Reager instead
of Jefferson and kept messing on receiver.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Play it the other way.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
I'd be like, we have to get a guy. We're
terrible at it going out and getting receivers, but we'll
give up the first for Aj Brown and that worked.
I think both sides are happy. And the Tyreek deal,
you know, the Chiefs are up against it. They were
awesome players coming off their first contract, and they were
like about to come off their first contract.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
They were young and great.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
You know, really, if you look at it, the only
guy the only.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Receive their level. Now they got traded.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I mean Santonio Holmes was traded, I believe for a fifth.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
I think it was a fifth, right, which I thought
the time was extremely low. I wasn't working with the
Steelers at the time, but.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
And he was okay with the Jets. He never had
a thousand yard season with the Jets. Yeah, it was okay,
fifty two for seven, forty six, fifty one for six,
fifty four, twenty for two, seventy two, twenty three for four,
seventy four to fifty six, and then done.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Been done.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah, And I kind of forgot about that one because
that was noticeably before the others. But there's five or
six of them, including that one, where pretty prominent receiver
that was in every fantasy league or starter and a
lot of success here. Didn't do I think at the
next spot, or did much less. Yeah, I mean Ab
was great when he got trade. He was even good
(30:43):
with the Bucks.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
AB's last game in Pittsburgh, Yeah, yeah, it was that
the same game, that was the same stame. He was
the best player in the NFL that day.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, I don't care what position you were looking at,
I don't care. Yeah, he was the best player in
the league.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
That day, and I would bet there were several days
of his life that he was about player in the league.
I mean, he was the best receiver in the league
for a long time, or right there with Oleo.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, they didn't trade Mark Thavis Bryant, right, I.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Don't believe so. And he just got suspended and they
released him.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Yeah, he was born a little too early. Yeah yeah, yeah. Anyways,
let's get to another break. He is the Matt Williamson.
I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Driver. You're
on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt, and now I'll be
back with more right after this.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
At least, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the
Black and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
And welcome back.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
I'm Dale Lolly.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
He is the Matt Williamson and Matt. Last weekend, it
was announced that Washington d C Will host twenty twenty
seven NFL Draft. There's going to be a press conference
on Monday on the north Shore Great Lawn to kind
of discuss some of the.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Particulars of the early particulars of the draft.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Here in Pittsburgh. I didn't know that.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Yeah, I just got the I just got to release
about it today.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Okay, So what you said Next Monday, they're going to
do a press conference over.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
There Monday five o'clock. You're going to have the Alleghany
County Executive. He's going to be there, the Mayor of
Pittsburgh visit. Pittsburgh President and CEO will be there. Art
Rooney the second will be there. They're going to have
representatives from the twenty twenty six NFL Pittsburgh Host Committee there. Uh,
and then some local youth sports representatives. Cool, because this
(32:44):
is the draft. Isn't just the draft.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Oh no, it's become an event.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
It's becoming it's becoming a city wide event and not
just a citywide event. But they come in and they build,
you know, they upgrade youth facilities.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
The NFL puts money into the city, into the city.
It's not football, right right, right right?
Speaker 4 (33:03):
I mean maybe they even do again, this is not
my area of expertise at all. Do they do some
construction that helps the city but also helps that Draft
day whatever?
Speaker 1 (33:13):
You know what I mean? I mean, it's not the
Super Bowl, but it's.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Sort of like that where it's a city wide The
next closest thing the Super Bowl is the Draft.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
You know.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
I assume they'll get a lot more people than went
to Green Bay, and green Bay had hundreds of thousands.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
The record, I believe is seven hundred and twenty five
thousand people. That was in Detroit two years ago.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
I would expect Pittsburgh to surpass that they're expecting.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I remember Nashville was nuts too. He watched it on TV.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
I think it was seven hundred thousand.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Ok.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
They're estimating that they'll get over a million people in DC.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
In DC like that will probably beat Pittsburgh too.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
They have more rooms, they're gonna hold it on a
national lawn, and.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Yeah, yeah, I mean obviously it's the capital of the country.
They can it's a little bit different situation.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Is there political problems with it though? I mean, like
and there's no issues with it being there in terms
of security or anything like that, or maybe it's even better.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Is there any more secure city than d C? I
don't think so.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
That's probably a good thing for them.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Yeah, Okay, do we know that it Yeah, when it's
here next year, it's going to be over by accuser somewhere.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Right, I know it's going to be right next to
Stage AE.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Okay, so you know, set it up the open.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Area there from Stage AE over to those parking garages
and back.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Okay, back as far as we can go. Yeah, that's cool.
And I assume you can get a ton of people
crowded in there, no question.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
More so than what so. I've been obviously the Green
Bay and I know exactly where they held it at
Green Bany and the parking lot in front of the stadium.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
But that's kind of a neighborhood, right.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
Which, yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Right, it's a big parking lot there, but they had to,
like at one point on I believe Friday, they had
to shut it down, like we can't get any more
people in here.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, I mean there's a limit.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
There's a limit to what they could fit in there,
Whereas in Pittsburgh, I think you could have a little
bit more in and out with some of those areas there.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
And obviously Pittsburgh is not the biggest city in the country,
but it could house a lot more people than Green
Bay can right there.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
No, I mean there's no hotel right the Green Bay,
Wisconsin has about probably ten hotels, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
And then they get full ten times a year. Yeah,
that's about it. Right on the road, they don't.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
I mean I can remember years the Steelers staying in Appleton, Wisconsin.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Yeah, which is a good half an hour away.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
How far is Milwaukee?
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Milwaukee is about between an hour and a half and
two hours ago.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I mean that would be I'm sure Milwaukee was packed
for Draft week.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Like we stayed the last time I went there. We
stayed in We've flew into Chicago. We stayed in Milwaukee,
Chicago to Milwaukee's for.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Minutes superclo right yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, and then drove up and it was maybe two hours,
give or take to get up to the game.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
He's just driving meright along the lake. Can Pittsburgh handle
a million people coming in?
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Well, I mean it's going to be you know, the
the You're going to have the hotels all across the
area are going to be swamp Like I expect everything
in Washington County to be booked up.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Oh, I would think I would think anything within an hour. Yeah,
I mean maybe even in the WVU area, you know,
not Penn State, but maybe all the way to Johnstown.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
For example, pitt when pitt would play at a lot
of teams when they go to WVU, we'll stay at
the Meadowlands.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Just to think where we stayed. We might have.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, I remember seeing that one day. I was driving
over by the Meadowlands and I see these guys. There's
like five guys in Clemson warm ups walking down this yeah,
walking down the highway to go to the there's some
restaurants and stuff. And I'm like, huh. And I was
(37:10):
talking with Hillgrove about it, and he's like, oh, yeah,
we always stay at the meadal Land.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah. So I think we did back in the day too.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
Yeah, there's a.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Big holiday in there. It's like halfway between Pittsburgh and Morgantown.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Yeah, I mean it's not a bad drive after that
at all. I mean there's sometimes you have to be
further out than that. Yeah, okay, so yeah, I mean
meadow Lands will be packed for the draft obviously, I
mean much further probably.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah. It's gonna be interesting, it's going to be curious.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
It's a regional event, it really is. Okay, it's going
to be a regional event, and I expect a ton
of people YEA to be coming. I would expect them
to get more than the seven to twenty five they
had in Detroit. I'm guessing that Pittsburgh's an easier city
to get to, not that Detroit's real hard in terms
of you know, if you want to get a flight
to Detroit and can get a flight to Detroit, but
(37:53):
Pittsburgh drive wise, is probably driveable. I sat down figured
it out one time. It was like thirteen or fourteen
NFL cities you can drive. You're within like five or
six hours of We we started.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
That with Indianapolis, like it's one of the best ones,
which is a huge reason the combine was there originally,
you know.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
But yeah, you're right.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
If you start looking at the everyone in division, the Eagles,
you know, Buffalo, you can get to ten super.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Quick, DC, Buffalo, Indy, Indy, Detroit.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Detroit, Charlotte is about a seven and a half hour drive,
give or take, depending on where you're coming from.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
New York twice twice that that counts twice six the
whole division. Yeah, some of the obvious ones. Philly, you know, No,
you get to twelve or so pretty quick.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
I did drive to New England one time. I don't
know that everyone recommended. No, that was that was a
full That was an all day event.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was for a playoff game.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Though, I'm trying to think how far you even go,
Like Saint Louis is too far, I would think.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I know, I've known people that have driven that one.
I've driven to Nashville. It's like eight and a half,
somewhere in that range.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
I think I've mentioned on the air before. But like
the rule or the guideline with the Browns with our
travel was if it's a six hour drive or less,
just drive it. Otherwise fly. I always made it eight,
like I would prefer to drive. You know, it's post
nine to eleven. It's just yeah, that was Yeah, it
was post nine eleven.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yeah before that, I mean, you walk into the airport
five minutes before you're flighting, you're on.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
It wasn't like they didn't mind paying for it, but
it was like most scouts were like six or less.
I would just drive, but I was always eight. You know,
I could stop or whatever, you know, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that'd be cool. We learned some Chicago from Pittsburgh is
not Yeah that's not crazy crazy, Yeah that's not that bad.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
So anyways, let's get to a break that's going to
do it for hour number one of the Drive here
on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I'll be back
with hour number two right after this
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