May 29, 2025 • 45 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamsonsion
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to our special ongoing coverage live from the Steeler
Ota Sessions. I am Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson.
Wesley Yuler will be joining us a little later here
in the show. We apologize for some of the technical
difficulty in a rough week yesterday. As much rain as
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we got yesterday, Dare, I was shocked that we didn't
get knocked off the air until when we actually did.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah, I mean it was just it was nasty. It
was raining, sideways and cold and yeah right, I mean
for a May day.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I mean if that would have been November, these guys,
I was under.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
The understanding that Memorial Day was the unofficial start summer.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, but I think today is it's nice now. So
we have had some issues these two days we've been here. Yeah,
and so there's another one looming. I hope we don't
get knocked off now.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
This is all part of the process here is you,
you know, get ready for the real time exactly. Working
out the kinks, Yeah, working out the kinks and the
the LoVa kinks we're living.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
L I was just chatting with some acron zip coaches.
That are some folks that I know are on that
staff again once again from twenty years ago.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
They're here. There's a bunch of college coaches around for these.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
High school coaches as well. Yeah. I was texting with
Nate hiller Rich, who is the coach at Pickerington North
in the Columbus area. He was jam Sawyer's we should
recruit there when I was next door.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah good high school?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, yeah, I know. You know they had recruited Pitted
recruited Sawyer as well.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, but he had texted me this morning to tell
me he was going to be here. I'd actually help
set that.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Up for him.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Okay. I spoke to him last week for a story.
I'm ready. You can read it Monday on Steelers dot
Com on Jack Sawyer and I spoke to Hillartch last
week about his former star player. Did you know Jack
Sawyer played quarterback?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I did you actually mentioned it to me last week
when we were working on when you asked much have
talked about him? I don't think we mentioned it on
the air, but it speaks to his football intelligence and
getting your best player the ball in his hands and
that type of thing too.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Like he was one of the top recruits in the country.
He was number one. Yeah, guy, yeah, you know better
than In.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Fact, Hillary said he got ticked off when one of
the recruiting services bumped him down to two.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Really, so it's pretty high praise.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, he's like, look, there's nothing you could do about it.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Rankings. You're splitting airs here, yoah, so real quick.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I mean'm not sure if people know this, but like
it's not uncommon for college's high schools to attend these
type of things, and it pit we used to have
high school kind of would almost always be open to
high schools, which was good for recruiting too. But it's
it's a nice thing that the the team does. And
sometimes they'll let you sit in meetings and just sit
in the back and take notes. And this is how
they coach this up. And there is a lot of helping. Yeah,
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the the lower ranks, you know quarter you know, as
colleges of high schools.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, yeah, it happens. Every year. You'll see a number
of coaches coaching staffs. They bring them. You know, you'll
bring five or six guys from your staff and just
kind of hey, you go watch the tight ends, you know,
the tight ends coach, I'm gonna go watch the offensive lineman.
Or maybe you've got a coach who did coach another
position and he's moving to Yeah he was a DB's coach.
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Now he's going to be a defensive coordinator. Okay, go
watch the lineman. You get to get an over you know,
oversight on that. So there's a lot of different things
you can glean, you know, as a football guy from
these kind of practice sessions.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah, and you know, I think that divulging any secrets
is so long ago, but when I was at Pitt,
there was the hardest position by far to recruit is
defensive tackles, you know, to keep up with the Ohio
States and Penn States. And you know, we played the
U and Virginia Tech back then, and we weren't We
couldn't really get them, you know. So basically what we
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asked of our defensive tackles was, if you two can
take up three blockers, we're happy about it. No matter
what you do. Bike closs, scratch, fall on the ground,
log roll two guys at once, you know whatever, nasty
thing you could do. And there was a week when
our defensive line coach came over here to the Steelers.
Those were like the Aaron Smith days, two gapping, teaching
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them how head and hands, how to control two blockers,
how to demand double teams, things like that. And our
guys weren't great. It was one of our weakest positions.
It was one of the Steelers' best positions. But we
got a lot of tips just from people that are
better at it than us, you know, coaching at it
than us.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, you could learn a lot. Yeah, you know during
in these kind of situations, even if you really don't
know what you're looking, if you watch and listen and
you have a reasonably good head on your shoulders, you
can pick up tips on different.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Different drills they do. And you know, like you said,
the position drills when they when they go into Indy.
That kind of stuff is huge. And again I bet
they're invited into the tight end meeting room too for
before and after and just five different things I've been
to coach differently now.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, I can remember when when my oldest son was
he was playing like youth football and his uh, one
of his coaches had something to come up and he
quit and and uh, I wasn't coaching or anything, and
they said, hey, can you help us out? And I'm like, hey,
look I played basketball and baseball. Yeah yeah, Like we
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didn't have a football team at my high school, so
I had.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I'll coach baseball for you all day long.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
But right, I said, all I all I can give
you is I've watched, as I mentioned earlier in the week,
I watched about one hundred and fifty to two hundred
football practice.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Yeah, well you could. You should do that.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
By the way, side, note you mentioned about seven hundred
games you've covered. How many practices do you think you've covered?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
He couldn't even ten thousand? Yeah right, But I you know,
as I started doing and I'm like, I picked up
little tips here and there. I'm sure you know to hey,
what you know, Here's here's how you do this this
you know, rip move and then you know, get the
over under and that kind of stuff. So I was able.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I mean, you can coach as well as a defensive
line coach in the NFL, but you knew the fundamental side.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I had seen them do it, so right, right, talk
to guys about how to do it, and even.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Just structuring a practice, I bet was valuable. You know,
like we're gonna blow the horn and you're gonna go
from here to here, you know, like we're not gonna
waste time, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
So it wasn't like I was reinventing the wheel or
any right, right, you know, just by paying attention out
out here when you're just osmosis being out here for
all these practices, you just you do pick some things up.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
And just in the football community, I'm sure it's true
with other sports, there's a lot of shared information. Like
oh yeah, at Pitt we had a coach's clinic, which
was a blast. I mean, all the high schools came down.
We just and our coaches would just all go into
their position rooms and the positioning coaches from the high
schools would come down, and then we'd give them dinner
and you drink beers afterwards, and they want to talk
of football the whole time, you know, and it was
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a great weekend.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, trade ideas.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It's especially true. I think, you know when you had
some of the innovative off innovative offenses that you know
of the early late nineties two thousands, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
What this West Coast stuff for the Bow's defense or even.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
You know, going back to the run and shoot concepts
and things of that nature. And then the spread that
now everybody uses because of all.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
The shared information. Information works. And then you hire that
someone's offensive coordinator to be your head coach. You have
one knows how it works, and the quarterback comes offensive
coordinator and he becomes a head coach and they're all
run the same.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It was that way, especially with the Steelers, you know,
when they were heavy into the zone blitz stuff. I mean,
everybody wanted to come here and pick the Bowsbury.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And the other thing side of it is how do
we stop this? Yeah, like this just took the league
by storm and I'm trying different things to try to
slow it down and I'm not figuring it out yet.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
And help me out.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, well you start with you know, if you have
a Casey Hampton, Hampton helps and Aaron Smith thing right, yeah, rock,
what's doing right that? That certainly goes a long way.
So Day three here Matt of the Steelers Ota sessions
here at the upmc rooney Sports Complex on the South Side,
and uh, much nicer today, as I mentioned than yesterday.
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I'm sure the players really appreciate, uh this because it's
it's warmer, it's dry, yeah, and uh they're able to
get some stuff done out here, and a lot of
guys out here in shorts and and uh there's no
pads now, there's no Yeah. So I was thinking about this.
Obviously everybody's you know, TJ. Watt's not here. This guy's
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not here, that guy's not here.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
That's not the story of the week. It really is, shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
You know if you think about it from this perspective.
Cam Hayward last year did nothing during ot as. He
had a pretty good year.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Last night he was all right, right, Yeah. T J.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Watt was his contract year twenty twenty one. Did nothing
in TVA. You know, he did nothing at mini camp,
He did nothing at training camp. He signed his contract
two days before they went up to play Buffalo, and
he had three tackles, two sacks, five quarterback hits, and
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force fumble. He affected the game. Yeah, yeah, one of
the best players on the field. It ended up going
on to win NFL Defensive Player of the Year that year.
Ben Roethlisberger was very sporadic in attending OTA. He would
be here. He wouldn't be here the next day, maybe
not that week. His family he's on vacation with his
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family or whatever. So be it. Troy Poulamalu never came,
never came to these I think he came in twenty
twelve and it was noteworthy. Tomlin asked him to come
because they were breaking in a new safety next to him.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Oh right, right right, and you told me that.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
But you know, so for the star players, not a
huge deal.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
They're professionals.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
They have their routine, they know that, they know their
bodies better, they have specific trainers they they don't need.
I mean, they're learning like formations. Now, yeah, I mean
this is kindergarten stuff, you know. I mean, these are
the new guys. What we call this formation this Okay
I didn't. I called it something different in Ohio State
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or Iowa.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
So now I know. You know.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Now, for the guys who are rookies, yes, for the
guys who are early in their careers trying to cement
a spot on the roster, yes, these things are important.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Absolutely, But DK metcalf just because he wasn't a Steeler
last year.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
We'll be fine. He'll be just fine.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
And oh, by the way they presumed quarterback isn't even
here yet, So.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Right, Metcalf is still big and fast and explosive and
knows every route and he I'm sure he's been studying
the playbook and doing his routine and if and when
Rogers signs to he can adapt.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I mean, yeah, he has a there's a good baseline.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
There, there's a good baseline I can work off of
the floor lines through Arthur Smith. There's gonna be a
lot of shared terminology and philosophies. And heck, he may
even have a playbook now, I don't know, you.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Know, yeah, they had the playbook in his head. Yeah, yeah,
as you mentioned, you know, Matt Lafleur, who was his
head coach in Green Bay, is one of his coachings
on his staff at Tennessee. But before he Arthur Smith
followed lafor right, he was the off coordinator and they
they came through together. They were coaching the same system.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
So he wanted to take Smith with them the Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
But this is not this is not going to be
something where.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Trying to learn French.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, you know, Aaron Rodgers knows the base, at the
very least the base, all the concepts, the concepts of
the offense here, and there's been adjustments and they may
have a different let's pick up then then, but those
are fine tune things.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
He'll learn that in a week.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
So I'm also very smart.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, I don't think. Yeah he did go to cal.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah, yeah, he's got a pretty good mind for this game too.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, that's what you bring, that's what you're bringing him
here for because the computer processor above the neck. Absolutely
Looking at this roster, Matt, I think the outside perception,
the perception nationally is that, oh, the Steelers lost more
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than they brought in this year. Yeah, you know what,
how's this going to work? And the comp picks reflect that.
I see why people would say that, you know, but
I don't think that takes into account some of the
guys that you are getting back on this roster. The
Cole Holmes, yeah, the Troy Filotanus, the Roman Wilson's, you know,
guys like that who were already on the roster, but
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we're out of sight, out of mind.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
That they weren't able to access really last year. Yeah,
I think that's a big deal. And I'm sure we
played at some point, but Troy said that with us
we day one day two, unfortunately our equipment crapped out
and we didn't have a player, and I assume we'll
get one today.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
But it was a great interview and you could.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Just tell how eager, and of course he handled it
like a professional, like a man he understands in this
industry people get hurt. But how eager he was to
get back out there, even day one of mini camp.
You know, I mean again, this is this is minor
league stuff that's going on on the field right now.
But he was just so excited to put a helmet
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on and walk out on this field healthy. And again
he's not blocking anyone. He's not protecting Aaron Rodgers, you know,
against Miles Garrett at the moment or anything. But just
watching him move out here and his body type and
his balance and his explosion, he has a chance to
be a really, really good player. He looks different, yeah,
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from and he was really impressive before he got hurt. Yeah,
I can understand why why some of the quote unquote
analysts out there that, oh he's he should be a
guard the NFL level.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yes, he is not the ideal height right right.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Right, but I'm sure it'd be a heck of a guard,
don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
What he does have is the ideal length and quickness
and balance and the light on his feet and uh,
I mean, he's got the long arms, he's got the
big heavy hands. Uh.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
You know, much unlike this past draft class, you know,
where the uh A lot of the shorter guys didn't
have unusually long arms. He has unusually long arms for
a six or four guy.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
And same with his quickness out of his stance and
all that kind of stuff too, you know. So I
have no reservations whatsoever about him being a tackle. And heck,
I mean, if by chance the best tackle ever pops
up in the first round and they move him to
left guard next year, he might be Zach Martin and
go the woll of Fame like he could be.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I mean, I don't know that I see that.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
I don't see it happening. I don't either. I don't
think that even take them. You know.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
The other you know, big part of this is that,
you know, Broderick Jones obviously switching sides as well, and
he said yesterday he's dropped twenty pounds really to get
ready for this.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
I didn't know that, okay, because as he said.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
He said, look, he played about three twenty five last year,
so now he's done about three oh five. And he said,
it's easier for me to put the weight on if
I if I find that I need to put weight on,
it's easier for me to do that as opposed to.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
So he did the tough stuff over there, I mean
trimming down and yeah, I'm gonna have to take notice.
I oh, yeah, he definitely looks a lot leaner. I
mean now that he is a big, thick human being period,
you know, and you know we were talking about fatanu.
I mean, Jones does have the height.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
In the there's no doubt if he's a tackle.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Which I think is why because they both played left
tackle in coll It right, which isn't ye put your
best guy there, right? But I think that they've looked
at that and said, look, Broderick has the ideal side.
He looks more like Marvel Smith than Troy Faltano.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
No doubt, no doubt, or you know, Joe Alter, those guys. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
So if those two guys they're so critical this season,
can lock this down this year, yeah and be the
book ends that they had hoped. And here's the thing
they got the center to there, and I wrote I'm
writing about this for tomorrow's five for Friday on Steelers
Dot tom. You can check it out there, but give
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you a little preview, like I think people forget sometimes
exactly how the time frame worked. Last year in training camp,
they had a plan that Trey Fotana was going to
start or give it be given the opportunity to start
right tackle.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Because remember Dan Morson plays folks, and Jones was.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Going to compete. Jones was going to compete at right tackle,
but he's also going to compete at left tackle, with
the idea that he would eventually win left tackle, which
you probably would have I mean, had it gone I mean,
the tie would have gone to Brodert Jones.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
You know, like when Herbig got hurt.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Fraser wasn't the starter, but he probably would have passed
him at something.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, but Filetano got hurt in the first preseason game.
They had started to move in that direction where Okay,
Fileton is going to be the right tackle.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
It was starting to become pretty clear at camp like
this guy is too good to keep off the field.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
They were rotating Jones and Moore at left tackle, and
then Filetono got hurt in that game against the Texans
in the preseason opener and then wasn't back then until
the Denver.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Game, which I know people there's a lot of listeners going. Man,
this team's been rough on Broderick Jones because of flipping them.
Sometimes it's just the nature of the business.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Like there's the fact that Moore couldn't go to the right.
It kind of hindered that a little bit. And to
his credit, the fact that Moore was a pretty good player,
you know, it wasn't like he was just a throwaway
that a rookie was going to go right past with
no problem.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
It was a bit of an issue.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
But I do love now that it's very stable and
we know exactly where the who's going to be where
you know exactly where they're at, and I think it'll
be really good for Jones.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
The starters are the starters, the backups are the backups.
There's you'd like to have competition, but there's really not competition.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
No, no, you I'd be thrilled if they're both so
good that there's not even a good thought of competition,
which I think that's where they're at. And Frankly, the
third tackle situation has been a little concerned. I'm not
sure who that guy is that would be banging on
the door. Now, there's a lot of things you can
look at a draft and be like, boy, I wish
they would have been able to grab this, or we're
able to grab that. But I would have loved a
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third round pick tackle that maybe is your left guard
next year, or maybe he's your swing tackle.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
But the draft dried up real fast with those.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
It just wasn't a great draft run now and then
you wouldn't have Caleb Johnson, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
it's just.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
That's that could be a next year thing with all
those extra mid round picks.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
And I do think that they like Calvin Anderson.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
They gave him a two year deal.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
They gave him a.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Real contract, not a you know, get you camp and
hope you make it type of deal.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Now he's gonna be on the team. So he's a
name that doesn't get brought up enough.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, and he's a guy that's that started. I think
he's got like twenty five starts in the league.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
And he'll play both sides. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah. In fact, when Dan Moore did get nicked up
in the playoff game last year, Boom Calvin, Yeah, in
the playoff game.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Just because he doesn't have a super high pedigree and
he's not a household name. I think that it goes
under the radar that the team trusts him. You know,
they would not have given him money. Again, actions speak
louder than words. You know, they gave him a real contract.
They threw him right in the lineup immediately, They brought
him back every the second they want they could have,
So I think they do have faith in him. But overall,
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I think that tackle situation is going to be critical
to how far this team goes this year.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Without a doubt, because if you're solid at those two
tackle positions, oh.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Man, it's a luxury.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Now yeah now, now you can do some stuff. Yeah
you can.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
If they're difference makers, especially.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
If you're gonna run a lot of the outside zone stuff,
those trackles are critical in that.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah, they're the guys that are And you mentioned this
the other day too. I mean, you got Miles Garrett
twice a year, you got Hendrickson probably twice a year.
The Ravens drafted Mike Green and they rushed the passer. Well,
I mean like not that. I mean, every team's got
edge rushers, and if you don't have to help those
guys over and over and over, I mean doesn't mean
you won't give Chip help against Garrett and things like that,
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but it gets you one more guy out in your route.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Or you're able to help somebody else or you know.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I mean so as Darnell Washington walks for pass us too,
I mean you talk about looking like a tackle all
the count Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And I know having talked to I remember talking to
Spencer Anderson about that last year. I said, what's Darnell
way right now? He says, well, I know.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
I'm taking the over whatever's on this sheet in front
of us, I'm taking it.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Like he's listed at like two to eighty. He was
at like three h five last year.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Okay, I mean his from the waist down is pretty substantial,
bigger than I remember.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
To say the least.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, he's a big bit.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
He is a huge human being, move who can move.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I bring him up all the time as most underrated
Steelers as well as most improved from last year from
his rookie year to last year, not just because he
caught more balls. But he is a pain in the
you know what to play against, and so many offensive coordinators.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Would love to have that chess piece.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I mean, that's a it's an underrated aspect of what
he can do, run and pass, game protection, block, just
this fear size of him, you know, and he's not
a stiff at all. Yeah, let's get to a break.
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we are live from the Steelers Ota sessions here at
the upmc rooney Sports Complex. And Matt, I'm looking around
at the Steelers roster and we were talking earlier, a
little bit earlier in the show here about the some
of the national oversight. I think of what the Steelers
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have here.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
What they've lost, what they've lost, and what they've had,
I don't think they're done.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Adding, by the way, I don't think they are either, right,
They've got they've got the cap space to do quite
a bit, including quarterback and whatever.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Else future you know.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
But on NFL dot Com, they have the ten most
complete rosters in the league, and they have the Denver
Broncos as the tenth most complete roster in the league.
And I'll be quite honest with you, if I look
at the Steelers roster compared to Denver's roster, I don't think
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the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Roster, yeah, especially if we're if we're gonna Rogers situation, yeah,
I mean, I don't think we're out of the woods yet.
On bow Nicks really promising. But and we thought the
same thing with like Stroud last year. Some of these
rookie quarterbacks take definitely take a step back and then
take two steps forward a year from now. I mean,
you're two is tough on quarterbacks too. I like Denver's defense,
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yeah lot, but the Steelers is very but it's too
I mean, I still take the Steelers front over Theirs
after a first round pick at corner.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Their secondary looks really, really good.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah, was certain. I think they're weapons short though. Yeah,
I love their O line. It's kind of an underrated unit.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
But and honestly, their running back situation is not settled now.
I mean I would love to like Harvey in the draft,
but I thought they overdrafted him a little, you know.
I mean, I don't know that he's going to be
a three hundred touch guy right off the bat and
be a bell cow. And they don't have the Jlem Warren.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
No, that's that's work with that. It would be great
to have that guy.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
They don't even have. You know, they have a Kenneth
Gamewell type in McLaughlin in McLaughlin, but they don't have
the Jalen Warren. Who All right, if the rookie doesn't
work out or he misses some time, who's who's your Bell.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Cow the one a, the true two, the guy that
can do everything but has a specialty.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
But it really got one receiver.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
They've got one receiver?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
As I said, just weapons is In general, I like Ingram.
It's a nice pickup, so I'm not a complain about
the tight end. But he's a certain type of tight end, right,
and one more scary guy with the ball in his hands.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I think it would go a long way.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I mean, I know everybody you know fell in love
with Valley last year because he was a seventh round.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Draft for a seventh round pick. He's great, He's.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Already twenty six. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a reason why
he was a seventh round draft picking.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
They need the special.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
No, No, he's a nice story and yeah right he's
he's a Van Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
But this way, would you rather have Valley or Roman Wilson.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I'd rather roll a dice on what Wilson could.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Be doing, right, I'd certainly rather have Calvin Austin.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yes, he's a lot more established than all those guys.
I think they have hopes for Mims, but that's hopes,
you know. I mean, that's kind of like the Wilson situation.
It's incomplete. Great, he's talented, he's pretty high.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Picked, except he's actually played and done nothing.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah, I mean he's had a few splash moments. I
don't know that Franklin will ever turn into much. And
Suton's fine, but.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I'd rather metcalf.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, you know, yeah, I think that that's a.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Good conversation that between those two rosters.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, so I you know some of the other ones
that are on that line, Okay, I get you know, Philadelphia,
I'm sure to talk Philadelphia's number one. And even at that,
they're built, they're built for the now. I don't think
people realize how much they are built to win right now.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Natively, we really study their contract in salary cap situation.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
There's a lot of cans down there.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I believe. Roger Goodell came out last week. He was
talking about the CBA and he was he started saying
something about we have to we might have to address
something with avoidable years.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Really stuff, it gets a little crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
It's it's gonna get a little hairy here for the
Eagles in a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
And what they're doing is and it's working out because
the league is so healthy. But you're trusting growth throughout
the league at a really rapid rate. And you know,
and what I'm talking about is that the cap has
to go up every year.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Nobody foresaw COVID, and the cap went down during COVID.
If that happened, if something like that were to happen, or.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
If it just doesn't go up as much as you
I mean, if it only goes up one percent, two percent,
you know, like it just has a sort of a
flat year. There's a lot of teams that are gonna
be scrambling. I mean, the Saints are in a brutal situation.
The Browns are in terrible situation. But even a model
organization like the Eagles would get hit hard.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Hard hard.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah. For example, they're void guys who are on avoidable
years here in twenty twenty year, I have there, twenty
twenty eight, okay, right, not that far down the road.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
No, it's not.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
But these guys, I mean, how many these guys are
gonna mention? Are gonna be stars in twenty twenty eight?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
And Saint Johnson still counts seven he's not under contract,
he's an avoidable year, yeah, seventeen point five.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Million, and he probably won't be a football player.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
He won't be a football player at that point.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Right right, And they're hoping seventeen million buys you less
bread than it.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Does now, you know what I mean, Like at the inflation, Uh,
I think A. J. Brown's a big hit.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Dallas Goddard's another four point three, Okay, Bryce huff is
another three, and he's he's only on a team. He's
not even on a team right now. Brandon Graham still
counts for money against.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Her, right right.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
He retired this year. Yeah, they're still gonna be paying
for him in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Yeh, it's Bobby.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, we're already over twenty million dollars.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Let alone next year, the year after, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
There's a whole bunch of shit guys down here as Ezo,
Julian Brayden Man, Johan Dotson and Dorri Jackson, Kylon Grantson,
josh Ucha Kendall, Lamb, Matt Pryor, and they're not on
there for for big money, but they're all add them
all up. It's like another million and a half dollars
for guys who aren't on your rush.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
And say, like the last ten names you mentioned aren't
even They're not even on a team now, right, and
you're still paying them in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
At some point that will catch up with the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
And one hundred percent, it's a great problem to have.
But these recent draft picks Jalen Carter, Nolan Space, they're
gonna need.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
To be that.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
They're gonna need to get paid too, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
And you know, Hurts is a decent buck already, you know,
to probably find a replacement for Barkley by this point.
But again, these are good problems to have. I mean,
they're a smart organization. I love that they do things
like three of their last four picks were just like
high upside offensive linemen that they're going to give to
a Munchak like coach, and if one of them hits,
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it's worth it, you know.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
I mean, I really like how they.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Do business, and frankly, I think the Steelers have not
mimicked it, but have taken a lot of Eagle tendencies,
with the exception of this contract stuff pushing the can
down the road so violently.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
For example, like they just they just gave Dallas Goddard
new money. His contract voids next year, does it? He
is twenty twenty point five million dollars against their cap,
and he's not under com anyway, It isn't necessarily a
legal Yeah, they've also got and he's a really good player,
but he's not wrong. He's not twenty million, right right,
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Brandon Graham is four point four So there's twenty five
million dollars on two guys who aren't on your contract.
Brandon Graham's retired right read Blankenship is one point one million.
Ojulari's one point eight million. Braidon man. The guys that
we just went through who are avoidable through twenty twenty eight,
they're all over a million dollars apiece.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Even that aside, some of the guys that are under contract,
like aj Brown, have massive cap hits in the next
couple of years. I mean like forty million, fifty million
for some of these guys. There are great players and
they can always renegotiate, and frankly, I'm not a cap expert.
I mean there is ways around this stuff, but the
bottom line is they are absolutely reliant on the cap going.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Up and up and up it up. I mean like
through the roof. I mean you're betting on the stock
market to stay hot.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
You know, at some point though, let's say one of
those guys gets injured.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
That's the thing that someone will.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
And somebody will that's part of the game. That's where
you run into trouble. That's where you know. The Saints
use this model. Yeah, to a large degree, kept kicking
the can down the road. The only difference was they
didn't win the championship. The Eagles of win a championship.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
And you can argue, no matter what the cost is,
is it worth it to win a championship?
Speaker 4 (31:05):
And I think it is. To be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I don't see. That's where we disagree. I don't know
ram trading ten trade first round picks. Well, they got
the ring, they got the ring. Yeah, they did it differently.
This they did it different This is mortgaging. Yeah, this
is this is more Cleveland Brown.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Like yes, yes, yes, yes. And most of those teams
don't win the words, most of them don't. Miami's in
this situation right now.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
And when you when you shell out that big contract
at Deshaun Watson better w and then it doesn't work out.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Yeah, now you're screwed and you.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Have messed up your cap for the next four or
five years, you're going to be bad.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Yeah, bad bad.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
And I feel like I pick on the Browns a lot,
but I do because I don't agree with how they
team build or do business. And frankly, the Watson things
close to on excusable. But I look at this offseason
for the Browns and think, man, you kind of had
an out.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
You hit a reset. You had a chance to hit
the reset button, unplug and plug it back in. It's
probably what you should have done, right, especially with your
best player demanding a trade, as opposed us throwing money
at the situation and overpay and overpay. And then you
trade the second pick and you end up with even
more picks and you know you got stuff for next year.
And I'm thinking, Wow, they might be able to turn
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the corner if they can hit on these picks and
get their cap in line. And I don't like their draft,
and they just kept kicking the can down the road
with contracts and they did nothing to address their offensive line.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
It's like, man, you had a chance.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
To get out of the huge mistake, not get out
of but semi get it get out of jail free card,
and you refused it, and.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
They'd do it.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Yeah, and I mean I just saw this today that
they're the Vegas odds leader in the clubhouse to earn
the first overall pick. Yeah, and some of that's because
of the schedule and the division they're in, but I mean,
but they're playing like they'll win now, you know what
I mean. I mean that they went out and signed
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running backs and they're drafted.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
That's the casion I ended up taking a quarterback first
overall next year, which you presumably would, right, You used
two picks on quarterbacks this year, and say, what are
you doing with these four the actually three picks because
you traded.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
For it, exactly right, I mean, and there what are
you gonna do with these for?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
It just doesn't have.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
A lot of clarity to me.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, so, uh, but I mean there's no doubt that
the Eagles do have a complete roster, right right, right?
But for how long? That's the question? Uh, they list
the Ravens is having the second best most complete roster.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
I don't have a real problem with that. They have
some holes, like everybody, I don't know if the Eagles
have holes. They're they're kind of in a rare situation
where there's not a position group. I'm worried about in
Philly of major consequences. I mean, like their safeties aren't
the best in the league, but they're fine.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Detroit is third.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Let's say Detroit has to be pretty high. They've invested
a lot of big contracts too. They have some contract
stuff coming.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Out, some stuff coming out. It's gonna be with like.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
The Gibbses of the world and those type of guys.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Kansas City is for think that they have a complete roster.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I don't either, And I don't think they've drafted or
acquired players as well as people think. As well as
their win loss record.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, covers up a lot of so to Spagnolo and Reed.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
And Chris Jones and you.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Know Kelsey in his prime and Tyreek and those guys.
They've had some real overpays on free agents, like both
these tackles they have. Yeah, they haven't drafted quite as
well as you think. One thing they have gone for them,
which it's kind of like the Munchak you know, Eagles
O line situation is they consistently find a fifth to sixth.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Round defensive back and they turn them into a starter.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
You know, Like there aren't many position groups in the league,
and the Steelers did have that with Munchak, where you
can find late round picks and an exceptional, exceptional position
coach turns them into a starter over and over. Not
just like you found a gem, but man, this guy
can take a six round pick and turn him into
a starting corner.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Like wow.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Buffalo is number five on here.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
I'm okay with that.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I like how much they I don't love the players
they took, but I love their philosophy on defense this year,
to really really be aggressive on that side of the ball,
Like I don't know what they'll get out of Bosa,
and we didn't love Walker the big nose tackle out
of Kentucky. But I understand their vision and a lot
of it is all right, Josh, we know your offense
is gonna be good. Even if we just give you
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competent receivers and we have given you an O line,
you're gonna score points. So we're gonna put investments on defense,
which I totally get, which is what the Bengals have
tried to do. They've been really bad at it.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Right.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
They hasn't worked out for him, right.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Minnesota is six on this list. I agree, But that's
another one where I think Flores is such a good
defensive coordinator that I don't think there's a lot of
talent on that defense, Like the Steelers defense is way
more talented the Minnesota's. But I do think that's about
as friendly of a young quarterback nest as you could envision. Yeah,
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their offense, their offense plays hand in him with the defense.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Yeah, especially now that they've they got three new interior
offensive linemen.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Because people might look at that and go, well, if
Flores is doing that with that with that defense, Yeah,
but he also has an offense and has jeff and
Jefferson and you know, yeah, they got they got studs.
You know, at different positions. They're going to score points,
score points. I mean withy or Donald. When you go
into a game and the opponent goes into the game knowing, hey,
they're gonna put up twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven,
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twenty eight points, we gotta take some chances. It changes
how you play offense. It allows the defense to do
some different.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Things, which is good head coaching, which is good at
organizational structure, you know, complimentary football. But I mean, I
think people are familiar enough with Flores, but this is
true with the Spagnolo conversation we've had too is right right.
I Mean, they're two of the most aggressive play callers
defensive designers. But if coach Tomlin goes them and says, well,
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we got Duck at quarterback, we got to win this
game thirty nine, well maybe we're not miro blitzing as
much and bring in six man pressures and overload stuff
because I can't.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
I can't give up that.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
I can't give up one home run. You know, I
got to paint the corners over and over and over.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
You know, Tampa Bay is seven on here.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
I think they're one of the most underrated organizations.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
It's a pretty good roster.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I think they really have a vision of who they are.
One thing they do that that people don't talk about
enough is if you look at their draft picks, a
plus character guys across the board too. I mean, they
really have built a culture there and frankly, I don't
think it's ownership.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
I think it's the GM down.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
I mean, they really understand what they're They're getting the
most out of Mayfield. Brady chose to go there, you know,
like there's a lot going on.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
They wouldn't division.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Every year Green Bay is eight.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Okay, I still think they're lacking star power.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I meant to say that about Buffalo too, other than
the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
The quarterback carries a lot of weight.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
In Buffalo in particulars so much weight. But I would
love to see one more star in Buffalo on either
side of the ball and Green Bay. I mean, like
the receivers are good, but give me justin Jefferson, you know,
like their their defense is good, but Gary isn't. Garrett,
you know what I mean, like who closes out games
for you?
Speaker 2 (38:26):
San Francisco is nine, and I don't agree with that
at all.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
I don't either.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
That is a star heavy.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Two top heavy, too old, and we saw it last year.
I mean they had remarkably bad luck with their the
wrong players and it went bad. I mean that team
is always all the way in or all the way out.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
It seems like yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
And then as I mentioned Denver at ten, So I
don't I don't think the Steelers are that far off,
no no, from being included in that group. And I
think you know, if you.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Look at and I'm sorry, rub, but when training camp opens,
you might be like honorable mention Steelers. Two more players
show up at the right positions. I think you figure
out the positions, you might be like, oh, this is
a pretty solid roster. Yeah, we're right now. I think
there's a whole too, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah, let's get to another break. He is the Matt Williamson.
I'm Dale Lolly. You're listening to our live coverage here
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the Steelers are on the field. We're gonna take a break.
We'll be back with more right after this.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
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Speaker 2 (39:58):
And welcome back to our live, ongoing coverage here from
the Steelers OTA Sessions here at the upmc rooney Sports
Complex here on Pittsburgh's south side. I am Dale Lolly
here with Matt Williamson, and just to give everybody a
rundown of what's going on here in terms of the coverage,
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we will be bringing you again live coverage here from
the Steelers OTA sessions from ten am to one pm
every Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday through Mini Camp. Actually, so
the Mini camp slash OTA schedules all line up the
same way. So the Steelers on the field Tuesday, Wednesday,
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Thursday starting this week through the next three weeks, so
they have six OTA sessions and then the mandatory Mini
camp is that third week that takes place on that Tuesday,
Wednesday and Thursday. Then after that they're on break on
a little hiatus there until the start of training camp,
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which the exact date hasn't been announced yet for that
particular event out at Saint Vincent College in Latro, but
you can guess that it's probably going to be somewhere
around the twenty fourth of the month of July. So
as you can see there, they probably get about six
weeks off before they head to La Trope and things
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start to get real, so, you know, not kind of
a truncated version of OTAs this year only six OTA
sessions the league allows up to ten, and a lot
of the teams in the league this year across the
league decided to cut that back for whatever reasons I think.
I think a lot of the teams, if you weren't
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breaking in, you know, a new head coach, or you
weren't breaking in new offensive coordinator, new defensive coordinator, things
of that nature, you didn't really worry as much about
having the full compliment of OTA sessions because you did
still have also the three day rookie mini camp that
took place, and so you know, if you if you
don't get a full compliment, you don't get your full
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ten OTA practices in not the end of the world.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
No, not the end of the world. And you probably
what you were talking about. I was just doing some
other things here for a second. Some of the teams
aren't even using all ten.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah, the Steelers being one.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
Okay, okay, yeah, I assume that's what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
So, yeah, they're important, and I think getting everybody together
is as important as anything, you know, and they are
doing that obviously we're looking at it and right in
front of our face. But if you miss an on
the field workout, okay, it's me with.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Like the implementation of you know, the surfaces and things
of that nature that these guys can take home, Like
even if you're not here, you get the video of practice.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
Oh yeah, right right, like you whether you look at
it or not, do whatever you want with it. But
it's all on your on your tablet, right.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
You have it on a tablet. You can look at
what they're teaching, you know, and and okay there you know,
if you even if you weren't in the classroom, you're like, okay, okay,
here's here's video of coach going over what we did
in practice today. All right.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
There's a lot of good things that came out of
the COVID situation from that perspective too. I mean, even
like the scouting world and interviews and all that type
of thing, you can do a lot more virtual now.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
It's not like it used to be. Right, if you
missed the practice, you missed the practice.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Right right. It's like my kids at school, it's like
I'm sick. Well, you can still take your test.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
From my you know, right right, Okay, snow days aren't
even really a thing anymore. No, right now they just
do Okay, we have a snow day today, but we're
gonna we're gonna do.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Virtue virtual and you can take your tests from home,
and you know, it's all good.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, it's all the technology has changed a lot of
that kind of stuff, and uh, it's just you know,
in many cases for the better. And I think and
some of these guys, but today's generation, that's how they learn,
that's how their phone constantly right.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Right, right, And maybe not all the undrafted guy and
the guys don't have money, but so many dudes in
this league have a personal trainer or a personal even
dietitian and medical staff, not staff, but have their own
people that know their body better than Steelers, do you know.
I mean that's their entire job. Yeah, right, that's what
they do. Yeah, you know how many of these guys
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have their own chef right, exactly right, things of that
nature and tons of them, right, and they all have
a personal trainer.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Your body is your means of making a living.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
I mean James Harrison is one of the more pronounced
examples of you know, steelers, but it's not as unique
as you think. I mean, I think he spent like
one hundred grand a year on his body or maybe
more than that more in that and that's a drop
in the bucket, guys. I mean that's acupuncturists and things
like that. I mean, that's your your tool. I mean
that's your If you're a carpenter, that's your hammer. You know,
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when you.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Go out buy a new hammer. If you're a carpenter,
you buy a new hammer. These guys work on their bodies.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Right, I mean, you and I couldn't do this without
our eyes and mouth, you know. I mean I could
be you know, I got a broken leg, but I
could still do you know, Like there's certain things you
need to do your job, you know, and these guys
as their body.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah. Absolutely, but that's going to do it. For our
number one, here live from the Steelers Ota sessions here
at the upmc rooney Sports Complex here on Pittsburgh's South Side.
Matt and I and Well West Julier will be joining
us here for our number two. We'll be here for
three hours today. We'll have a player interview in our
number three once the team has come off the field.
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You are listening to our ongoing coverage here live on
Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back
with more right after this
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamsonsion
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to our special ongoing coverage live from the Steeler
Ota Sessions. I am Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson.
Wesley Yuler will be joining us a little later here
in the show. We apologize for some of the technical
difficulty in a rough week yesterday. As much rain as
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we got yesterday, Dare, I was shocked that we didn't
get knocked off the air until when we actually did.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah, I mean it was just it was nasty. It
was raining, sideways and cold and yeah right, I mean
for a May day.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I mean if that would have been November, these guys,
I was under.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
The understanding that Memorial Day was the unofficial start summer.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, but I think today is it's nice now. So
we have had some issues these two days we've been here. Yeah,
and so there's another one looming. I hope we don't
get knocked off now.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
This is all part of the process here is you,
you know, get ready for the real time exactly. Working
out the kinks, Yeah, working out the kinks and the
the LoVa kinks we're living.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
L I was just chatting with some acron zip coaches.
That are some folks that I know are on that
staff again once again from twenty years ago.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
They're here. There's a bunch of college coaches around for these.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
High school coaches as well. Yeah. I was texting with
Nate hiller Rich, who is the coach at Pickerington North
in the Columbus area. He was jam Sawyer's we should
recruit there when I was next door.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah good high school?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, yeah, I know. You know they had recruited Pitted
recruited Sawyer as well.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, but he had texted me this morning to tell
me he was going to be here. I'd actually help
set that.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Up for him.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Okay. I spoke to him last week for a story.
I'm ready. You can read it Monday on Steelers dot
Com on Jack Sawyer and I spoke to Hillartch last
week about his former star player. Did you know Jack
Sawyer played quarterback?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I did you actually mentioned it to me last week
when we were working on when you asked much have
talked about him? I don't think we mentioned it on
the air, but it speaks to his football intelligence and
getting your best player the ball in his hands and
that type of thing too.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Like he was one of the top recruits in the country.
He was number one. Yeah, guy, yeah, you know better
than In.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Fact, Hillary said he got ticked off when one of
the recruiting services bumped him down to two.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Really, so it's pretty high praise.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, he's like, look, there's nothing you could do about it.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Rankings. You're splitting airs here, yoah, so real quick.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I mean'm not sure if people know this, but like
it's not uncommon for college's high schools to attend these
type of things, and it pit we used to have
high school kind of would almost always be open to
high schools, which was good for recruiting too. But it's
it's a nice thing that the the team does. And
sometimes they'll let you sit in meetings and just sit
in the back and take notes. And this is how
they coach this up. And there is a lot of helping. Yeah,
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the the lower ranks, you know quarter you know, as
colleges of high schools.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, yeah, it happens. Every year. You'll see a number
of coaches coaching staffs. They bring them. You know, you'll
bring five or six guys from your staff and just
kind of hey, you go watch the tight ends, you know,
the tight ends coach, I'm gonna go watch the offensive lineman.
Or maybe you've got a coach who did coach another
position and he's moving to Yeah he was a DB's coach.
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Now he's going to be a defensive coordinator. Okay, go
watch the lineman. You get to get an over you know,
oversight on that. So there's a lot of different things
you can glean, you know, as a football guy from
these kind of practice sessions.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah, and you know, I think that divulging any secrets
is so long ago, but when I was at Pitt,
there was the hardest position by far to recruit is
defensive tackles, you know, to keep up with the Ohio
States and Penn States. And you know, we played the
U and Virginia Tech back then, and we weren't We
couldn't really get them, you know. So basically what we
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asked of our defensive tackles was, if you two can
take up three blockers, we're happy about it. No matter
what you do. Bike closs, scratch, fall on the ground,
log roll two guys at once, you know whatever, nasty
thing you could do. And there was a week when
our defensive line coach came over here to the Steelers.
Those were like the Aaron Smith days, two gapping, teaching
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them how head and hands, how to control two blockers,
how to demand double teams, things like that. And our
guys weren't great. It was one of our weakest positions.
It was one of the Steelers' best positions. But we
got a lot of tips just from people that are
better at it than us, you know, coaching at it
than us.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, you could learn a lot. Yeah, you know during
in these kind of situations, even if you really don't
know what you're looking, if you watch and listen and
you have a reasonably good head on your shoulders, you
can pick up tips on different.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Different drills they do. And you know, like you said,
the position drills when they when they go into Indy.
That kind of stuff is huge. And again I bet
they're invited into the tight end meeting room too for
before and after and just five different things I've been
to coach differently now.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, I can remember when when my oldest son was
he was playing like youth football and his uh, one
of his coaches had something to come up and he
quit and and uh, I wasn't coaching or anything, and
they said, hey, can you help us out? And I'm like, hey,
look I played basketball and baseball. Yeah yeah, Like we
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didn't have a football team at my high school, so
I had.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I'll coach baseball for you all day long.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
But right, I said, all I all I can give
you is I've watched, as I mentioned earlier in the week,
I watched about one hundred and fifty to two hundred
football practice.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Yeah, well you could. You should do that.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
By the way, side, note you mentioned about seven hundred
games you've covered. How many practices do you think you've covered?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
He couldn't even ten thousand? Yeah right, But I you know,
as I started doing and I'm like, I picked up
little tips here and there. I'm sure you know to hey,
what you know, Here's here's how you do this this
you know, rip move and then you know, get the
over under and that kind of stuff. So I was able.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I mean, you can coach as well as a defensive
line coach in the NFL, but you knew the fundamental side.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I had seen them do it, so right, right, talk
to guys about how to do it, and even.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Just structuring a practice, I bet was valuable. You know,
like we're gonna blow the horn and you're gonna go
from here to here, you know, like we're not gonna
waste time, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
So it wasn't like I was reinventing the wheel or
any right, right, you know, just by paying attention out
out here when you're just osmosis being out here for
all these practices, you just you do pick some things up.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
And just in the football community, I'm sure it's true
with other sports, there's a lot of shared information. Like
oh yeah, at Pitt we had a coach's clinic, which
was a blast. I mean, all the high schools came down.
We just and our coaches would just all go into
their position rooms and the positioning coaches from the high
schools would come down, and then we'd give them dinner
and you drink beers afterwards, and they want to talk
of football the whole time, you know, and it was
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a great weekend.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, trade ideas.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It's especially true. I think, you know when you had
some of the innovative off innovative offenses that you know
of the early late nineties two thousands, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
What this West Coast stuff for the Bow's defense or even.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
You know, going back to the run and shoot concepts
and things of that nature. And then the spread that
now everybody uses because of all.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
The shared information. Information works. And then you hire that
someone's offensive coordinator to be your head coach. You have
one knows how it works, and the quarterback comes offensive
coordinator and he becomes a head coach and they're all
run the same.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It was that way, especially with the Steelers, you know,
when they were heavy into the zone blitz stuff. I mean,
everybody wanted to come here and pick the Bowsbury.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And the other thing side of it is how do
we stop this? Yeah, like this just took the league
by storm and I'm trying different things to try to
slow it down and I'm not figuring it out yet.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
And help me out.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, well you start with you know, if you have
a Casey Hampton, Hampton helps and Aaron Smith thing right, yeah, rock,
what's doing right that? That certainly goes a long way.
So Day three here Matt of the Steelers Ota sessions
here at the upmc rooney Sports Complex on the South Side,
and uh, much nicer today, as I mentioned than yesterday.
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I'm sure the players really appreciate, uh this because it's
it's warmer, it's dry, yeah, and uh they're able to
get some stuff done out here, and a lot of
guys out here in shorts and and uh there's no
pads now, there's no Yeah. So I was thinking about this.
Obviously everybody's you know, TJ. Watt's not here. This guy's
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not here, that guy's not here.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
That's not the story of the week. It really is, shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
You know if you think about it from this perspective.
Cam Hayward last year did nothing during ot as. He
had a pretty good year.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Last night he was all right, right, Yeah. T J.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Watt was his contract year twenty twenty one. Did nothing
in TVA. You know, he did nothing at mini camp,
He did nothing at training camp. He signed his contract
two days before they went up to play Buffalo, and
he had three tackles, two sacks, five quarterback hits, and
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force fumble. He affected the game. Yeah, yeah, one of
the best players on the field. It ended up going
on to win NFL Defensive Player of the Year that year.
Ben Roethlisberger was very sporadic in attending OTA. He would
be here. He wouldn't be here the next day, maybe
not that week. His family he's on vacation with his
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family or whatever. So be it. Troy Poulamalu never came,
never came to these I think he came in twenty
twelve and it was noteworthy. Tomlin asked him to come
because they were breaking in a new safety next to him.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Oh right, right right, and you told me that.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
But you know, so for the star players, not a
huge deal.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
They're professionals.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
They have their routine, they know that, they know their
bodies better, they have specific trainers they they don't need.
I mean, they're learning like formations. Now, yeah, I mean
this is kindergarten stuff, you know. I mean, these are
the new guys. What we call this formation this Okay
I didn't. I called it something different in Ohio State
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or Iowa.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
So now I know. You know.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Now, for the guys who are rookies, yes, for the
guys who are early in their careers trying to cement
a spot on the roster, yes, these things are important.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Absolutely, But DK metcalf just because he wasn't a Steeler
last year.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
We'll be fine. He'll be just fine.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
And oh, by the way they presumed quarterback isn't even
here yet, So.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Right, Metcalf is still big and fast and explosive and
knows every route and he I'm sure he's been studying
the playbook and doing his routine and if and when
Rogers signs to he can adapt.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I mean, yeah, he has a there's a good baseline.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
There, there's a good baseline I can work off of
the floor lines through Arthur Smith. There's gonna be a
lot of shared terminology and philosophies. And heck, he may
even have a playbook now, I don't know, you.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Know, yeah, they had the playbook in his head. Yeah, yeah,
as you mentioned, you know, Matt Lafleur, who was his
head coach in Green Bay, is one of his coachings
on his staff at Tennessee. But before he Arthur Smith
followed lafor right, he was the off coordinator and they
they came through together. They were coaching the same system.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
So he wanted to take Smith with them the Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
But this is not this is not going to be
something where.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Trying to learn French.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, you know, Aaron Rodgers knows the base, at the
very least the base, all the concepts, the concepts of
the offense here, and there's been adjustments and they may
have a different let's pick up then then, but those
are fine tune things.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
He'll learn that in a week.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
So I'm also very smart.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, I don't think. Yeah he did go to cal.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah, yeah, he's got a pretty good mind for this game too.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, that's what you bring, that's what you're bringing him
here for because the computer processor above the neck. Absolutely
Looking at this roster, Matt, I think the outside perception,
the perception nationally is that, oh, the Steelers lost more
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than they brought in this year. Yeah, you know what,
how's this going to work? And the comp picks reflect that.
I see why people would say that, you know, but
I don't think that takes into account some of the
guys that you are getting back on this roster. The
Cole Holmes, yeah, the Troy Filotanus, the Roman Wilson's, you know,
guys like that who were already on the roster, but
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we're out of sight, out of mind.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
That they weren't able to access really last year. Yeah,
I think that's a big deal. And I'm sure we
played at some point, but Troy said that with us
we day one day two, unfortunately our equipment crapped out
and we didn't have a player, and I assume we'll
get one today.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
But it was a great interview and you could.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Just tell how eager, and of course he handled it
like a professional, like a man he understands in this
industry people get hurt. But how eager he was to
get back out there, even day one of mini camp.
You know, I mean again, this is this is minor
league stuff that's going on on the field right now.
But he was just so excited to put a helmet
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on and walk out on this field healthy. And again
he's not blocking anyone. He's not protecting Aaron Rodgers, you know,
against Miles Garrett at the moment or anything. But just
watching him move out here and his body type and
his balance and his explosion, he has a chance to
be a really, really good player. He looks different, yeah,
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from and he was really impressive before he got hurt. Yeah,
I can understand why why some of the quote unquote
analysts out there that, oh he's he should be a
guard the NFL level.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yes, he is not the ideal height right right.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Right, but I'm sure it'd be a heck of a guard,
don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
What he does have is the ideal length and quickness
and balance and the light on his feet and uh,
I mean, he's got the long arms, he's got the
big heavy hands. Uh.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
You know, much unlike this past draft class, you know,
where the uh A lot of the shorter guys didn't
have unusually long arms. He has unusually long arms for
a six or four guy.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
And same with his quickness out of his stance and
all that kind of stuff too, you know. So I
have no reservations whatsoever about him being a tackle. And heck,
I mean, if by chance the best tackle ever pops
up in the first round and they move him to
left guard next year, he might be Zach Martin and
go the woll of Fame like he could be.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I mean, I don't know that I see that.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
I don't see it happening. I don't either. I don't
think that even take them. You know.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
The other you know, big part of this is that,
you know, Broderick Jones obviously switching sides as well, and
he said yesterday he's dropped twenty pounds really to get
ready for this.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
I didn't know that, okay, because as he said.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
He said, look, he played about three twenty five last year,
so now he's done about three oh five. And he said,
it's easier for me to put the weight on if
I if I find that I need to put weight on,
it's easier for me to do that as opposed to.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
So he did the tough stuff over there, I mean
trimming down and yeah, I'm gonna have to take notice.
I oh, yeah, he definitely looks a lot leaner. I
mean now that he is a big, thick human being period,
you know, and you know we were talking about fatanu.
I mean, Jones does have the height.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
In the there's no doubt if he's a tackle.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Which I think is why because they both played left
tackle in coll It right, which isn't ye put your
best guy there, right? But I think that they've looked
at that and said, look, Broderick has the ideal side.
He looks more like Marvel Smith than Troy Faltano.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
No doubt, no doubt, or you know, Joe Alter, those guys. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
So if those two guys they're so critical this season,
can lock this down this year, yeah and be the
book ends that they had hoped. And here's the thing
they got the center to there, and I wrote I'm
writing about this for tomorrow's five for Friday on Steelers
Dot tom. You can check it out there, but give
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you a little preview, like I think people forget sometimes
exactly how the time frame worked. Last year in training camp,
they had a plan that Trey Fotana was going to
start or give it be given the opportunity to start
right tackle.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Because remember Dan Morson plays folks, and Jones was.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Going to compete. Jones was going to compete at right tackle,
but he's also going to compete at left tackle, with
the idea that he would eventually win left tackle, which
you probably would have I mean, had it gone I mean,
the tie would have gone to Brodert Jones.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
You know, like when Herbig got hurt.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Fraser wasn't the starter, but he probably would have passed
him at something.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, but Filetano got hurt in the first preseason game.
They had started to move in that direction where Okay,
Fileton is going to be the right tackle.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
It was starting to become pretty clear at camp like
this guy is too good to keep off the field.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
They were rotating Jones and Moore at left tackle, and
then Filetono got hurt in that game against the Texans
in the preseason opener and then wasn't back then until
the Denver.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Game, which I know people there's a lot of listeners going. Man,
this team's been rough on Broderick Jones because of flipping them.
Sometimes it's just the nature of the business.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Like there's the fact that Moore couldn't go to the right.
It kind of hindered that a little bit. And to
his credit, the fact that Moore was a pretty good player,
you know, it wasn't like he was just a throwaway
that a rookie was going to go right past with
no problem.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
It was a bit of an issue.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
But I do love now that it's very stable and
we know exactly where the who's going to be where
you know exactly where they're at, and I think it'll
be really good for Jones.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
The starters are the starters, the backups are the backups.
There's you'd like to have competition, but there's really not competition.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
No, no, you I'd be thrilled if they're both so
good that there's not even a good thought of competition,
which I think that's where they're at. And Frankly, the
third tackle situation has been a little concerned. I'm not
sure who that guy is that would be banging on
the door. Now, there's a lot of things you can
look at a draft and be like, boy, I wish
they would have been able to grab this, or we're
able to grab that. But I would have loved a
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third round pick tackle that maybe is your left guard
next year, or maybe he's your swing tackle.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
But the draft dried up real fast with those.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
It just wasn't a great draft run now and then
you wouldn't have Caleb Johnson, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
it's just.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
That's that could be a next year thing with all
those extra mid round picks.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
And I do think that they like Calvin Anderson.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
They gave him a two year deal.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
They gave him a.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Real contract, not a you know, get you camp and
hope you make it type of deal.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Now he's gonna be on the team. So he's a
name that doesn't get brought up enough.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, and he's a guy that's that started. I think
he's got like twenty five starts in the league.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
And he'll play both sides. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah. In fact, when Dan Moore did get nicked up
in the playoff game last year, Boom Calvin, Yeah, in
the playoff game.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Just because he doesn't have a super high pedigree and
he's not a household name. I think that it goes
under the radar that the team trusts him. You know,
they would not have given him money. Again, actions speak
louder than words. You know, they gave him a real contract.
They threw him right in the lineup immediately, They brought
him back every the second they want they could have,
So I think they do have faith in him. But overall,
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I think that tackle situation is going to be critical
to how far this team goes this year.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Without a doubt, because if you're solid at those two
tackle positions, oh.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Man, it's a luxury.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Now yeah now, now you can do some stuff. Yeah
you can.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
If they're difference makers, especially.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
If you're gonna run a lot of the outside zone stuff,
those trackles are critical in that.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah, they're the guys that are And you mentioned this
the other day too. I mean, you got Miles Garrett
twice a year, you got Hendrickson probably twice a year.
The Ravens drafted Mike Green and they rushed the passer. Well,
I mean like not that. I mean, every team's got
edge rushers, and if you don't have to help those
guys over and over and over, I mean doesn't mean
you won't give Chip help against Garrett and things like that,
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but it gets you one more guy out in your route.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Or you're able to help somebody else or you know.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I mean so as Darnell Washington walks for pass us too,
I mean you talk about looking like a tackle all
the count Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And I know having talked to I remember talking to
Spencer Anderson about that last year. I said, what's Darnell
way right now? He says, well, I know.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
I'm taking the over whatever's on this sheet in front
of us, I'm taking it.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Like he's listed at like two to eighty. He was
at like three h five last year.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Okay, I mean his from the waist down is pretty substantial,
bigger than I remember.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
To say the least.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, he's a big bit.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
He is a huge human being, move who can move.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I bring him up all the time as most underrated
Steelers as well as most improved from last year from
his rookie year to last year, not just because he
caught more balls. But he is a pain in the
you know what to play against, and so many offensive coordinators.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Would love to have that chess piece.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I mean, that's a it's an underrated aspect of what
he can do, run and pass, game protection, block, just
this fear size of him, you know, and he's not
a stiff at all. Yeah, let's get to a break.
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Speaker 1 (21:55):
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
And we are back. I am Dale Lolly. He is
the Matt Williamson. We'll be joined here in a little
while by Wesley Euler as well from the Steelers. What
do they call there's the blitz, the blitz, Yeah, yeah,
the Blitz. Then, of course Matt and I are the
hosts of the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio, and
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we are live from the Steelers Ota sessions here at
the upmc rooney Sports Complex. And Matt, I'm looking around
at the Steelers roster and we were talking earlier, a
little bit earlier in the show here about the some
of the national oversight. I think of what the Steelers
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have here.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
What they've lost, what they've lost, and what they've had,
I don't think they're done.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Adding, by the way, I don't think they are either, right,
They've got they've got the cap space to do quite
a bit, including quarterback and whatever.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Else future you know.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
But on NFL dot Com, they have the ten most
complete rosters in the league, and they have the Denver
Broncos as the tenth most complete roster in the league.
And I'll be quite honest with you, if I look
at the Steelers roster compared to Denver's roster, I don't think
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the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Roster, yeah, especially if we're if we're gonna Rogers situation, yeah,
I mean, I don't think we're out of the woods yet.
On bow Nicks really promising. But and we thought the
same thing with like Stroud last year. Some of these
rookie quarterbacks take definitely take a step back and then
take two steps forward a year from now. I mean,
you're two is tough on quarterbacks too. I like Denver's defense,
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yeah lot, but the Steelers is very but it's too
I mean, I still take the Steelers front over Theirs
after a first round pick at corner.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Their secondary looks really, really good.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah, was certain. I think they're weapons short though. Yeah,
I love their O line. It's kind of an underrated unit.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
But and honestly, their running back situation is not settled now.
I mean I would love to like Harvey in the draft,
but I thought they overdrafted him a little, you know.
I mean, I don't know that he's going to be
a three hundred touch guy right off the bat and
be a bell cow. And they don't have the Jlem Warren.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
No, that's that's work with that. It would be great
to have that guy.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
They don't even have. You know, they have a Kenneth
Gamewell type in McLaughlin in McLaughlin, but they don't have
the Jalen Warren. Who All right, if the rookie doesn't
work out or he misses some time, who's who's your Bell.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Cow the one a, the true two, the guy that
can do everything but has a specialty.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
But it really got one receiver.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
They've got one receiver?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
As I said, just weapons is In general, I like Ingram.
It's a nice pickup, so I'm not a complain about
the tight end. But he's a certain type of tight end, right,
and one more scary guy with the ball in his hands.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I think it would go a long way.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I mean, I know everybody you know fell in love
with Valley last year because he was a seventh round.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Draft for a seventh round pick. He's great, He's.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Already twenty six. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a reason why
he was a seventh round draft picking.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
They need the special.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
No, No, he's a nice story and yeah right he's
he's a Van Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
But this way, would you rather have Valley or Roman Wilson.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I'd rather roll a dice on what Wilson could.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Be doing, right, I'd certainly rather have Calvin Austin.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yes, he's a lot more established than all those guys.
I think they have hopes for Mims, but that's hopes,
you know. I mean, that's kind of like the Wilson situation.
It's incomplete. Great, he's talented, he's pretty high.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Picked, except he's actually played and done nothing.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah, I mean he's had a few splash moments. I
don't know that Franklin will ever turn into much. And
Suton's fine, but.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I'd rather metcalf.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, you know, yeah, I think that that's a.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Good conversation that between those two rosters.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, so I you know some of the other ones
that are on that line, Okay, I get you know, Philadelphia,
I'm sure to talk Philadelphia's number one. And even at that,
they're built, they're built for the now. I don't think
people realize how much they are built to win right now.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Natively, we really study their contract in salary cap situation.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
There's a lot of cans down there.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I believe. Roger Goodell came out last week. He was
talking about the CBA and he was he started saying
something about we have to we might have to address
something with avoidable years.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Really stuff, it gets a little crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
It's it's gonna get a little hairy here for the
Eagles in a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
And what they're doing is and it's working out because
the league is so healthy. But you're trusting growth throughout
the league at a really rapid rate. And you know,
and what I'm talking about is that the cap has
to go up every year.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Nobody foresaw COVID, and the cap went down during COVID.
If that happened, if something like that were to happen, or.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
If it just doesn't go up as much as you
I mean, if it only goes up one percent, two percent,
you know, like it just has a sort of a
flat year. There's a lot of teams that are gonna
be scrambling. I mean, the Saints are in a brutal situation.
The Browns are in terrible situation. But even a model
organization like the Eagles would get hit hard.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Hard hard.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah. For example, they're void guys who are on avoidable
years here in twenty twenty year, I have there, twenty
twenty eight, okay, right, not that far down the road.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
No, it's not.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
But these guys, I mean, how many these guys are
gonna mention? Are gonna be stars in twenty twenty eight?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
And Saint Johnson still counts seven he's not under contract,
he's an avoidable year, yeah, seventeen point five.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Million, and he probably won't be a football player.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
He won't be a football player at that point.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Right right, And they're hoping seventeen million buys you less
bread than it.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Does now, you know what I mean, Like at the inflation, Uh,
I think A. J. Brown's a big hit.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Dallas Goddard's another four point three, Okay, Bryce huff is
another three, and he's he's only on a team. He's
not even on a team right now. Brandon Graham still
counts for money against.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Her, right right.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
He retired this year. Yeah, they're still gonna be paying
for him in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Yeh, it's Bobby.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, we're already over twenty million dollars.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Let alone next year, the year after, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
There's a whole bunch of shit guys down here as Ezo,
Julian Brayden Man, Johan Dotson and Dorri Jackson, Kylon Grantson,
josh Ucha Kendall, Lamb, Matt Pryor, and they're not on
there for for big money, but they're all add them
all up. It's like another million and a half dollars
for guys who aren't on your rush.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
And say, like the last ten names you mentioned aren't
even They're not even on a team now, right, and
you're still paying them in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
At some point that will catch up with the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
And one hundred percent, it's a great problem to have.
But these recent draft picks Jalen Carter, Nolan Space, they're
gonna need.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
To be that.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
They're gonna need to get paid too, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
And you know, Hurts is a decent buck already, you know,
to probably find a replacement for Barkley by this point.
But again, these are good problems to have. I mean,
they're a smart organization. I love that they do things
like three of their last four picks were just like
high upside offensive linemen that they're going to give to
a Munchak like coach, and if one of them hits,
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it's worth it, you know.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
I mean, I really like how they.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Do business, and frankly, I think the Steelers have not
mimicked it, but have taken a lot of Eagle tendencies,
with the exception of this contract stuff pushing the can
down the road so violently.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
For example, like they just they just gave Dallas Goddard
new money. His contract voids next year, does it? He
is twenty twenty point five million dollars against their cap,
and he's not under com anyway, It isn't necessarily a
legal Yeah, they've also got and he's a really good player,
but he's not wrong. He's not twenty million, right right,
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Brandon Graham is four point four So there's twenty five
million dollars on two guys who aren't on your contract.
Brandon Graham's retired right read Blankenship is one point one million.
Ojulari's one point eight million. Braidon man. The guys that
we just went through who are avoidable through twenty twenty eight,
they're all over a million dollars apiece.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Even that aside, some of the guys that are under contract,
like aj Brown, have massive cap hits in the next
couple of years. I mean like forty million, fifty million
for some of these guys. There are great players and
they can always renegotiate, and frankly, I'm not a cap expert.
I mean there is ways around this stuff, but the
bottom line is they are absolutely reliant on the cap going.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Up and up and up it up. I mean like
through the roof. I mean you're betting on the stock
market to stay hot.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
You know, at some point though, let's say one of
those guys gets injured.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
That's the thing that someone will.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
And somebody will that's part of the game. That's where
you run into trouble. That's where you know. The Saints
use this model. Yeah, to a large degree, kept kicking
the can down the road. The only difference was they
didn't win the championship. The Eagles of win a championship.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
And you can argue, no matter what the cost is,
is it worth it to win a championship?
Speaker 4 (31:05):
And I think it is. To be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I don't see. That's where we disagree. I don't know
ram trading ten trade first round picks. Well, they got
the ring, they got the ring. Yeah, they did it differently.
This they did it different This is mortgaging. Yeah, this
is this is more Cleveland Brown.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Like yes, yes, yes, yes. And most of those teams
don't win the words, most of them don't. Miami's in
this situation right now.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
And when you when you shell out that big contract
at Deshaun Watson better w and then it doesn't work out.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Yeah, now you're screwed and you.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Have messed up your cap for the next four or
five years, you're going to be bad.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Yeah, bad bad.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
And I feel like I pick on the Browns a lot,
but I do because I don't agree with how they
team build or do business. And frankly, the Watson things
close to on excusable. But I look at this offseason
for the Browns and think, man, you kind of had
an out.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
You hit a reset. You had a chance to hit
the reset button, unplug and plug it back in. It's
probably what you should have done, right, especially with your
best player demanding a trade, as opposed us throwing money
at the situation and overpay and overpay. And then you
trade the second pick and you end up with even
more picks and you know you got stuff for next year.
And I'm thinking, Wow, they might be able to turn
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the corner if they can hit on these picks and
get their cap in line. And I don't like their draft,
and they just kept kicking the can down the road
with contracts and they did nothing to address their offensive line.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
It's like, man, you had a chance.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
To get out of the huge mistake, not get out
of but semi get it get out of jail free card,
and you refused it, and.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
They'd do it.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Yeah, and I mean I just saw this today that
they're the Vegas odds leader in the clubhouse to earn
the first overall pick. Yeah, and some of that's because
of the schedule and the division they're in, but I mean,
but they're playing like they'll win now, you know what
I mean. I mean that they went out and signed
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running backs and they're drafted.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
That's the casion I ended up taking a quarterback first
overall next year, which you presumably would, right, You used
two picks on quarterbacks this year, and say, what are
you doing with these four the actually three picks because
you traded.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
For it, exactly right, I mean, and there what are
you gonna do with these for?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
It just doesn't have.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
A lot of clarity to me.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, so, uh, but I mean there's no doubt that
the Eagles do have a complete roster, right right, right?
But for how long? That's the question? Uh, they list
the Ravens is having the second best most complete roster.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
I don't have a real problem with that. They have
some holes, like everybody, I don't know if the Eagles
have holes. They're they're kind of in a rare situation
where there's not a position group. I'm worried about in
Philly of major consequences. I mean, like their safeties aren't
the best in the league, but they're fine.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Detroit is third.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Let's say Detroit has to be pretty high. They've invested
a lot of big contracts too. They have some contract
stuff coming.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Out, some stuff coming out. It's gonna be with like.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
The Gibbses of the world and those type of guys.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Kansas City is for think that they have a complete roster.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I don't either, And I don't think they've drafted or
acquired players as well as people think. As well as
their win loss record.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, covers up a lot of so to Spagnolo and Reed.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
And Chris Jones and you.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Know Kelsey in his prime and Tyreek and those guys.
They've had some real overpays on free agents, like both
these tackles they have. Yeah, they haven't drafted quite as
well as you think. One thing they have gone for them,
which it's kind of like the Munchak you know, Eagles
O line situation is they consistently find a fifth to sixth.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Round defensive back and they turn them into a starter.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
You know, Like there aren't many position groups in the league,
and the Steelers did have that with Munchak, where you
can find late round picks and an exceptional, exceptional position
coach turns them into a starter over and over. Not
just like you found a gem, but man, this guy
can take a six round pick and turn him into
a starting corner.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Like wow.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Buffalo is number five on here.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
I'm okay with that.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I like how much they I don't love the players
they took, but I love their philosophy on defense this year,
to really really be aggressive on that side of the ball,
Like I don't know what they'll get out of Bosa,
and we didn't love Walker the big nose tackle out
of Kentucky. But I understand their vision and a lot
of it is all right, Josh, we know your offense
is gonna be good. Even if we just give you
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competent receivers and we have given you an O line,
you're gonna score points. So we're gonna put investments on defense,
which I totally get, which is what the Bengals have
tried to do. They've been really bad at it.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Right.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
They hasn't worked out for him, right.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Minnesota is six on this list. I agree, But that's
another one where I think Flores is such a good
defensive coordinator that I don't think there's a lot of
talent on that defense, Like the Steelers defense is way
more talented the Minnesota's. But I do think that's about
as friendly of a young quarterback nest as you could envision. Yeah,
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their offense, their offense plays hand in him with the defense.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Yeah, especially now that they've they got three new interior
offensive linemen.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Because people might look at that and go, well, if
Flores is doing that with that with that defense, Yeah,
but he also has an offense and has jeff and
Jefferson and you know, yeah, they got they got studs.
You know, at different positions. They're going to score points,
score points. I mean withy or Donald. When you go
into a game and the opponent goes into the game knowing, hey,
they're gonna put up twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven,
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twenty eight points, we gotta take some chances. It changes
how you play offense. It allows the defense to do
some different.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Things, which is good head coaching, which is good at
organizational structure, you know, complimentary football. But I mean, I
think people are familiar enough with Flores, but this is
true with the Spagnolo conversation we've had too is right right.
I Mean, they're two of the most aggressive play callers
defensive designers. But if coach Tomlin goes them and says, well,
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we got Duck at quarterback, we got to win this
game thirty nine, well maybe we're not miro blitzing as
much and bring in six man pressures and overload stuff
because I can't.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
I can't give up that.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
I can't give up one home run. You know, I
got to paint the corners over and over and over.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
You know, Tampa Bay is seven on here.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
I think they're one of the most underrated organizations.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
It's a pretty good roster.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I think they really have a vision of who they are.
One thing they do that that people don't talk about
enough is if you look at their draft picks, a
plus character guys across the board too. I mean, they
really have built a culture there and frankly, I don't
think it's ownership.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
I think it's the GM down.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
I mean, they really understand what they're They're getting the
most out of Mayfield. Brady chose to go there, you know,
like there's a lot going on.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
They wouldn't division.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Every year Green Bay is eight.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Okay, I still think they're lacking star power.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I meant to say that about Buffalo too, other than
the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
The quarterback carries a lot of weight.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
In Buffalo in particulars so much weight. But I would
love to see one more star in Buffalo on either
side of the ball and Green Bay. I mean, like
the receivers are good, but give me justin Jefferson, you know,
like their their defense is good, but Gary isn't. Garrett,
you know what I mean, like who closes out games
for you?
Speaker 2 (38:26):
San Francisco is nine, and I don't agree with that
at all.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
I don't either.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
That is a star heavy.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Two top heavy, too old, and we saw it last year.
I mean they had remarkably bad luck with their the
wrong players and it went bad. I mean that team
is always all the way in or all the way out.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
It seems like yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
And then as I mentioned Denver at ten, So I
don't I don't think the Steelers are that far off,
no no, from being included in that group. And I
think you know, if you.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Look at and I'm sorry, rub, but when training camp opens,
you might be like honorable mention Steelers. Two more players
show up at the right positions. I think you figure
out the positions, you might be like, oh, this is
a pretty solid roster. Yeah, we're right now. I think
there's a whole too, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah, let's get to another break. He is the Matt Williamson.
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the Steelers are on the field. We're gonna take a break.
We'll be back with more right after this.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
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Speaker 2 (39:58):
And welcome back to our live, ongoing coverage here from
the Steelers OTA Sessions here at the upmc rooney Sports
Complex here on Pittsburgh's south side. I am Dale Lolly
here with Matt Williamson, and just to give everybody a
rundown of what's going on here in terms of the coverage,
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we will be bringing you again live coverage here from
the Steelers OTA sessions from ten am to one pm
every Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday through Mini Camp. Actually, so
the Mini camp slash OTA schedules all line up the
same way. So the Steelers on the field Tuesday, Wednesday,
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Thursday starting this week through the next three weeks, so
they have six OTA sessions and then the mandatory Mini
camp is that third week that takes place on that Tuesday,
Wednesday and Thursday. Then after that they're on break on
a little hiatus there until the start of training camp,
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which the exact date hasn't been announced yet for that
particular event out at Saint Vincent College in Latro, but
you can guess that it's probably going to be somewhere
around the twenty fourth of the month of July. So
as you can see there, they probably get about six
weeks off before they head to La Trope and things
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start to get real, so, you know, not kind of
a truncated version of OTAs this year only six OTA
sessions the league allows up to ten, and a lot
of the teams in the league this year across the
league decided to cut that back for whatever reasons I think.
I think a lot of the teams, if you weren't
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breaking in, you know, a new head coach, or you
weren't breaking in new offensive coordinator, new defensive coordinator, things
of that nature, you didn't really worry as much about
having the full compliment of OTA sessions because you did
still have also the three day rookie mini camp that
took place, and so you know, if you if you
don't get a full compliment, you don't get your full
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ten OTA practices in not the end of the world.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
No, not the end of the world. And you probably
what you were talking about. I was just doing some
other things here for a second. Some of the teams
aren't even using all ten.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah, the Steelers being one.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
Okay, okay, yeah, I assume that's what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
So, yeah, they're important, and I think getting everybody together
is as important as anything, you know, and they are
doing that obviously we're looking at it and right in
front of our face. But if you miss an on
the field workout, okay, it's me with.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Like the implementation of you know, the surfaces and things
of that nature that these guys can take home, Like
even if you're not here, you get the video of practice.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
Oh yeah, right right, like you whether you look at
it or not, do whatever you want with it. But
it's all on your on your tablet, right.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
You have it on a tablet. You can look at
what they're teaching, you know, and and okay there you know,
if you even if you weren't in the classroom, you're like, okay, okay,
here's here's video of coach going over what we did
in practice today. All right.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
There's a lot of good things that came out of
the COVID situation from that perspective too. I mean, even
like the scouting world and interviews and all that type
of thing, you can do a lot more virtual now.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
It's not like it used to be. Right, if you
missed the practice, you missed the practice.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Right right. It's like my kids at school, it's like
I'm sick. Well, you can still take your test.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
From my you know, right right, Okay, snow days aren't
even really a thing anymore. No, right now they just
do Okay, we have a snow day today, but we're
gonna we're gonna do.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Virtue virtual and you can take your tests from home,
and you know, it's all good.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, it's all the technology has changed a lot of
that kind of stuff, and uh, it's just you know,
in many cases for the better. And I think and
some of these guys, but today's generation, that's how they learn,
that's how their phone constantly right.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Right, right, And maybe not all the undrafted guy and
the guys don't have money, but so many dudes in
this league have a personal trainer or a personal even
dietitian and medical staff, not staff, but have their own
people that know their body better than Steelers, do you know.
I mean that's their entire job. Yeah, right, that's what
they do. Yeah, you know how many of these guys
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have their own chef right, exactly right, things of that
nature and tons of them, right, and they all have
a personal trainer.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Your body is your means of making a living.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
I mean James Harrison is one of the more pronounced
examples of you know, steelers, but it's not as unique
as you think. I mean, I think he spent like
one hundred grand a year on his body or maybe
more than that more in that and that's a drop
in the bucket, guys. I mean that's acupuncturists and things
like that. I mean, that's your your tool. I mean
that's your If you're a carpenter, that's your hammer. You know,
(44:47):
when you.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Go out buy a new hammer. If you're a carpenter,
you buy a new hammer. These guys work on their bodies.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Right, I mean, you and I couldn't do this without
our eyes and mouth, you know. I mean I could
be you know, I got a broken leg, but I
could still do you know, Like there's certain things you
need to do your job, you know, and these guys
as their body.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah. Absolutely, but that's going to do it. For our
number one, here live from the Steelers Ota sessions here
at the upmc rooney Sports Complex here on Pittsburgh's South Side.
Matt and I and Well West Julier will be joining
us here for our number two. We'll be here for
three hours today. We'll have a player interview in our
number three once the team has come off the field.
(45:28):
You are listening to our ongoing coverage here live on
Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back
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