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Speaker 1 (00:03):
At least is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the
Black and Gold Steelers Nation.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Radio and Welcome to the Drive. It is a chilly
Tuesday here in Pittsburgh and the Steelers are preparing for
their game AFC Super Wildcard. I don't know why they're
super wild.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Yeah. When did that happen?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
When they went the second when they went to seven? Yeah,
it's still can't it's it's a wildcard game.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
It's kind of like the what they call the kickoff.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Now, the dynamic kickoff. Yeah, we don't need names dynamic,
it's still a kickoff. Yeah, wildcard games are wildcard games.
I understand there's you know, extra more or whatever, but
it's still a wildcard game.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Wildcard weekend, wild Card weekend. Lots of football upcoming here.
Two games. Football can incorporate the college stuff too. Yeah,
five days in a row doesn't get any better than that.
But uh, you've got Steelers at Ravens in the postseason,
and Matt, there's a lot to dig into with this game.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah. This will be the fourth.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Meeting in the postseason between Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
That will be.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
That will make them the second on the all time
list in terms of playoff meetings among head coaches.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Really, I would have thought there'd be way more than that. Okay,
Noel Shoele, Belichick, Dungee.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Nol Schuel is not even the that's not even close them.
You know number one Wall.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I would say maybe Niners Cowboys in the nineties, but
there's on No one's long has the longevity there. Noel Madden,
Nol Madden. That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
They met five times, the Steelers won three of those,
Madden one two and Narrators one two.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And it's harder to meet them because there's one less round.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah, you know so, I mean that's legit, big time
deep into the playoffs, right, Well, that's wh when.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
You look at the at the meetings. As I mentioned yesterday,
the Steelers now ten and two in rematches in the
postseason with divisional opponents.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, the third game, right, the first.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
One didn't happen until nineteen seventy eight when.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
They play makes sense too. I mean, they start going
to the playoffs till early seventy well.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
But it wasn't until nineteen seventy two that they added
the wild card ok to that point, it was just
at least it could have happened. Yeah, that was it
was just your your champions win. Then for along several
years there they only took one wildcard team. There were
only four teams that made the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Oh, when there were three divisions, there was okay, divisions
in a wildcard.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Then in seventy seven, I think it was seventy eight,
they added the second wildcard team.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yeah, and there was no buys originally. Yeah right, you
just played the number one seed got the wild card team. Yeah, okay,
so the Steelers a lot of options.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
No.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
The Steelers and Oilers then met in seventy eight. In
seventy nine, so seventy eight was the first time that
the Steelers played a divisional opponent in the postseason, that
coming in THEFC Championship game.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Along those lines, my dad and uncle always told me
the teams that benefited least from the super Steelers were
the Raiders number one and the Oilers.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Like the Oilers at the end, the Oilers at the enders.
The Bengals actually had some teams early in the seventies
that finished second a lot okay, And.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
But those guys thought the Oilers probably would have got
a ring if it wasn't for the Steelers, and the
Raiders would have got more for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, I mean that was Hall of Fame. I mean,
drafting Earl Campbell number one not bad. I know you're
not supposed to draft running backs and first overall, Yeah,
Earl Campbell changed the trajectory of the Houston Oilers.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
I had a great conversation with my eighteen year old
a week or two ago. We're watching Derrick Henry. He's like,
is that the hardest guy to tackle you've ever seen?
I'm like, Earl Campbell. He's like, really, if you had
to tackle one of those guys all day long, I'm like,
I would take anyone besides Earl, and he of course
YouTube did it and he's like, I see what you're
saying that I put his helmet right in your chest
(04:06):
and his shirt j you.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
And I could stand in Earl Campbell's pants. Yes, thighs
bigger out right right, and Drum's not far off, but
would not be my last choice. But I mean, if
you look at the division back in some of those days,
for example.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Speaking Earl Cambe, I think it's the fourth time ever
Tennessee that that organization gets a first overall pick.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Right to my point. In nineteen seventy five, Steelers went
twelve and two. The Bengals were eleven and three. So
who's on those Bengal teams that are so good? That's
pre Kenny Anderson, right, I think Anderson was there in Okay,
seventy so that's and And the Oilers were ten and
four that year. Okay, the Browns were three and eleven.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
But a pretty good division though. Yeah, it's kind of
like the NFC North now, Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You know, I mean that kind of stuff happens, and
it that's kind of what has happened more in recent
years in the AFC North. Even into the eighties. It
took the Steelers until eighty nine before they they went
from seventy nine to eighty nine before they played an
another divisional opponent in the playoffs. Now, they didn't make
(05:17):
the playoffs a lot in the eighties. Yeah, people forget
about that. They only had two playoff wins in the
entire decade, right, I mean.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Bringing up the wolf for those guys that were part
of it, or Merrill or those guys, they never yeah,
right right, But that's the reason that chucking all something
at the end of the old into the Cowier.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So it was eighty nine when they went back and
played the Oilers again and knocked them off, upset them
down in Houston.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Okay, is that the Glanville teams.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I can't remember if Glanville was the coach of that
team or not.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
It might have been. He might have Warren Moon the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, wore Moon. That was the running show receiver.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah. They threw it all over the place. Yeah, it
was a good team.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
That was you know, Rod Woodson getting the fumble in
overtime and Gary Amberson kicking the game winning field. That
was the season if you remember, Steelers got and Wolf
will tell you all about that one. The Steelers got
out scored ninety four to ten in their first two games.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Oh, I've heard that a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, to the you know, to the Browns and Bengals
in the first two games.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Came back and made the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Came back and made the playoffs after getting destroyed. But then,
you know, in the nineties, you started seeing it more
often than that. You played the divisional opponents. They've they've
done it a few times against the Browns, a couple
of times against the Bengals and now four times again
against the Ravens, right, and the raven thing really adds up.
(06:34):
I mean, start two thousand and one was the first
one of those meetings. Now, so that's kind of a
last two decades type of.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Thing, right, And there's been two of the best franchises
in the league during that stretch, you know. I mean
that's the Ben Era, that's the Tomlin hardball ear obviously
a lot of Hall of famers, a lot of wins.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah. Interestingly enough, the Ravens, well, the Steelers are ten
and two in the rematches in the playoffs against anybody. Yeah,
Ravens are two and four.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Really well, I guess some of it's a corollaryeah, right, Okay,
I always wonder how does that like? Frankly, I don't
care who won in nineteen seventy eight or whatever, but
like nowadays, that third meeting, does it favor the older coach,
the team with the better road line, the better quarterback,
(07:22):
the more versatile team, maybe just the healthier team at
the time, Who knows. I mean there's probably an individual basis,
but is there a theme with those?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
You know?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
And you know, I think part of it, like Harbaugh
in these games, I believe, is one in three in rematch,
in any rematch to any kind is one win came
against the Steelers in twenty fourteen. He's lost to the
Steelers twice.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
They probably played the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
He also played the Bengals, Yeah, at one point, and
got beat in that game in a rematch.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I mean, I guess it bodes well. I mean, you'd
rather that than the other way around. But I don't
know how much to take into that, you know, I mean,
did you learn so much in the first two games?
And I bet, I mean you mentioned this yesterday and
been on my noodle that the I can't imagine. There's
many instances where the three games took place in this
shorter time.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
This is the shortest vision forced in Steelers history.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
The seventy eight and seventy nine rematches with the Oilers
would have been the next closest. The seventy eight game
was ten weeks in between. They didn't have a buys
back then, Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then seventy nine was
eleven weeks in between those two.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I mean, we've seen a lot, well not a lot,
but fairmount in NFL history where the final game of
the season goes into the what they did.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Happened to happened to the Steelers in twenty twenty against
the Browns. Okay, yeah, Steelers, case, that's a crazy Steelers
could have kept the Browns out of the postseason the
rest of the.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Starters, okay, and so we'll play again, yeah, which kind
of slap in the face too.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Everybody went on mind playing.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Everybody wants to put that one on the defense, by
the way, and the offense went out there and well
turned the ball over a bunch of time. Really, you know,
if you look at the two games, like I look
at the Steelers' recent playoff history, and you were a
big underdog last year against the Bills, you were big,
(09:15):
probably not winning that game with Mason Rudolphin, right. You
were a big underdog in Kansas City. You were favored
in the game against the Browns at home. You were
favored in the game against Jacksonville even though Jacksonville had
beaten you earlier in the season. You were you were
an underdog, big spreads. Do you remember, I know last
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year with the Bills game was double digits.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
No, I was thinking the ones the Steelers were the
home games here the Browns and Jags.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I don't think the Jag. I don't think the Jag.
The Jag wouldn't have been over.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I mean, the Jacks were a good team. They had
a really good defense and could run the ball.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
And yeah yeah, but of of this stretch of games
that the Steelers have lost, the Cleveland in Jacksonville games
are the ones to me that stand out is something different.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, I agree, I agree.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Yeah, I mean losing in Buffalo last week we were
last year, or in Kansas City to they end up
win the Super Bowl that year, right, yeah, you know,
I mean those you're the inferior team. Yeah, I mean,
and most teams would walk in there and lose, you know,
most teams. But the two bad ones are the Browns
game and the Jags game. And it's not to excuse anything,
(10:26):
but a lot of mistakes in the Browns game, as
you mentioned, and really bad matchup for you in the
Jags game.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
You know, but that's the way it works.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
I mean, that's why it's a really difficult gauntlet to
get through.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
You know, if you have.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
One bad day, it's not hockey or baseball or basketball
where Okay, with a bad one, we'll get them tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, it's the only major sport that it is a
one and done type situation.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I mean, I'm sure even the best teams achieves. The Bills,
the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
The Lions.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
There's there's one team in their conference they are looking
at like I don't really want to play that because
they run the ball or whatever, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
And here's the thing about those two particular games. Again,
everybody blames the defense. Well, the Steelers gave up forty
eight and forty five. They turned the ball over seven times,
seven times and got none. Now you can say the
defense got none, but the offense didn't help that by
big digging a great, big hole early.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Games with a minus seven turn differential.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Which brings me to the nineteen eighty six New York
Football Jets.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
WHOA Okay, I didn't know we're going down that road.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
So there have been three teams who have gone into
the postseason on at least a four game losing.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Streak, this team being the third, the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Being the third. The other one was the nineteen ninety
nine Detroit Lions, who were eight and four, lost their
final four games to fall to eight and eight and
went to a wildcard game and lost to the Washington
Redskins at the Redskins whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
To call them.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
The other team was in nineteen eighty six Jets. The
six Jets started the season ten and one. They were
they were considered maybe the best team in the AFC. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
I would think they then proceeded a little past like
Gastono and they're probably still on the team.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Though, Pleco Gaston Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Free McNeil was their running back, Wesley Walker, Yeah, Richard
Todd okay, ye, yeah, yeah, it's a good team.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
It wasn't Richard Todd at quarterback. It was who would
be He didn't last deep into the eighties.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, that was the eighty four draft, Guy.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
O'Brien, Ken Brian. Yeah, he was a good player too.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
So anyways, they're ten and one. They go rolling into Miami,
who was five and six going into that game.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
By the way, and that would have been one of
the third one and got smoked.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Got smoked in Week twelve losing that game. What was
the where they find they lost that game? Uh, forty
five to three.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Wow. In Week twelve.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Several starters got injured in that game.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I'd say injuries have to be a factor for some
of these teams.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Then they followed that up with a seventeen to three
loss to the Rams, a twenty four to ten loss
to the forty nine Ers, then a forty five to
twenty four loss to the Steelers in New York. That
was not a good Steelers team.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
By the way. Now, I said, the series weren't a
powerhouse at.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
That point, and the Bengals finished off their five game
losing streak to go into the playoffs fifty two to
twenty one.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Wow, I mean, you talk about those games.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Their closest loss was by fourteen points in that entire stress, and.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
It was a five gamer. It wasn't a four. I
mean it was we preface this by four or more. Yeah,
it was five.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
They lost five in a row to fall to ten
and six, became a wild card and played the Chiefs
in the first round of the playoffs and beat the
Chiefs thirty five to fifteen.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
They then in Kansas City, I would imagine.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I think they hosted because they were at that point
they were they were. They didn't win the division the
highest wild they were the higher seed wild card because
remember there were two by at that point, and one
of the wild cards hosted.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
They then went to Cleveland, went to double overtime and
lost twenty three to twenty to the Browns.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
That's probably like the Coozar Minifield.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Batts and that's when that was right. They went to
the AFC Championship that year and Force lost.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
To the lost l Way the Drive. Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
So that was a good Cleveland team. Absolutely, they were
within a play of going to the Super Bowl. I
think they were favored against l Way too. I mean
the theah they were the game.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
They were good, they were the number one seniors. They
could run the ball. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
The difference for that not only the injuries, but if
you look at it in the during the five game
losing streak. So let me preface this with this. So
when they were ten and one, the Jets had forced
thirty two turnovers, wow, in eleven games. In eleven games,
and it turned it over nineteen times themselves. It was
a different, more different, but yeah, but you're still plus
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thirteen a big difference.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
During the losing streak, they turned the ball over eighteen
times in five games. In five games and four six.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, I'll do it. It's good start.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
The difference when they got to be bad and they
got smashed in every one of those games in the playoffs,
they forced five turnovers and didn't turn it over.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Interesting, I see where you're going with.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
This, Yes, said, you see some correlations here, like, yeah,
you've been living on those turnovers all season long, and
then you didn't turn the ball over as much during
your four game losing streak, and oh, by the way,
started turning the ball over a little bit yourself, not
a great amount, but enough, and you had some guys out.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
So I'm sure people understand the Steeler turnover history or
where they're at. But the Ravens are really good at
protecting the football. I mean, Lamar's thrown very very few picks,
but he fumbles, but he fumbles a lot, and they
don't cause many on defense, as good as their defense
has been, they do not take the ball away.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah, Humphrey is really the only guy that takes it away?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Okay? Is he the only like doubledare?
Speaker 4 (16:05):
I think he has like five or six interceptions? Okay,
but they're not great in that capacity at all, I
tell you. And Lamar versus Steelers is he had I
mean last game aside they.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Humphrey had six interceptions. Yeah, yeah, they had twelve as.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
A team, so he had half of their interceptions.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
But that's definitely been a Lamar versus Steeler problem too,
of and Lamar in playoff problem a lot of turnovers
versus in those two scenarios. So it's obviously your best
path the victory in a game like this.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So I said yesterday on this show that the pressure
is on the Ravens. Agree with that, and somebody pushed
back against that. You're just making excuses for the Steelers.
The pressures on them, They got to win a playoff game. No,
the pressure's on Lamar.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
No.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, you're a double.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Digits like in this time.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, you're two and four as a two time MVP
in the postseason.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Only two time MVP to not have a Super Bowl title.
I mean he's only twenty seven, but he might also
be a three time MVP soon, right right. So, by
the way, Ravens are plus six Yeers a plus sixteen.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, that's where the pressure comes in on this game.
Oh yeah, they have more pressure on them than the
Steelers do.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
They're at home, their favor, they're considered the better team
with the quarterback legacy and all that good stuff. Yeah,
he's two and four in the playoffs. This is a
conversation probably for the offseason, but I find it really
interesting just lately that how good Lamar, Allen and Burrow
in particular. Ben Mahomes' legacy is pretty written, you know
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what I mean, Like he's he's fighting Brady and all
time greats on the quarterback list. But those three have
been around long enough now, Like, if we're building an
all time quarterback list, you got to start putting their
names on there.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
It's they're not like a flash in the pan type guy,
and they're playing a remarkably high level there. The three
of them aren't going to collectively win ten super Bowls,
you know, but they're they're all fighting against each other.
And I think it's even more so. Well, I think
it could be like a Brady Ben Manning situation to
some degree when we when we look back ten years
(18:12):
from now and after they all hang it up. I mean,
it's those those years go by pretty quick if you
don't add up you know, the playoff wins and super
Bowl chances.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, especially when again, you you know, all three of
those guys are all four of those guys now are
on second contracts. Oh yeah, making money, making big money,
right and earning it. But yeah, you know, wonder this
year it's it's more than just about the quarterback, and
he's don't want to spend the playoffs with a three.
You know those guys the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah right, right right, they've all been to the play Yeah,
just Burrow isn't there this year.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
But no, I think it's interesting, like if someone comes
along as like Allan should be higher on the quarterback
list than Dan Foults, I get it, you know what
I mean, Like it's they're getting to that point where
they're dominant players for a long stretch.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
But to.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Get back to the original point. Yeah yeah, yeah, people said, well,
what's this, The Steelers have no chance to win this game?
That I guarantee you people were saying the same thing,
maybe even more so.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
They're just by the sounds of the thing.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
The Jets were doing this in New York. Yeah yeah, yeah,
and weren't just losing these games, but they gave up
ninety seven points ninety six point, you know, ninety seven
points in their last two games going into the playoffs. Wow,
ninety seven I have.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Much said that when you were talking through it, but
I didn't want to do the math, to be honest
with you. It was in this four game losing streak
the Steelers been at scored by fifty two points, but
at that.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Five year moving streak, I bet it was close to
one hundred.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
They lost, Well, they lost the first one forty five
to three, So there's.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Forty two right right.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
None of them were closer than fourteen points.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Okay, yeah, I didn't want to.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Add them all up on the fly. But so it
was forty two twenty eight. So now you're already at
seventy and then you lost by its over one hundred points,
over one hundred twenty one. That's ninety one, and then
another thirty one point loss. Wow, one hundred and twenty
two points you lost by in a five games, five
games and you won.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
A playoff game. Yeah wow.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Because you got back to doing the things that you
did that made you ten and one. You didn't become
a bad team mistakes, right right, You quit making the
mistakes and you started you turn you turn those two
teams over. You didn't lose the turnover battle badly badly,
but they lost. They went from plus thirteen in their
first eleven games to by the end of the season
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they were plus one. They were minus twelve in those
five games.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Brutal. You can't do that much steeper than the Steelers. Yeah. Yeah,
So if you.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Know, if the Steelers can get back to forcing some
turnovers in this game, again, I think it goes a
long way towards getting into Lamar's head. Yeah yeah, and
it again, you sit, you're setting your offense up for
some potentially easy scores.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And they did turn Henry over to Yeah you know,
but third, it also gets into Lamar's head. Yeah yeah, yeah,
right right. I go back to the.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
If you go back and watch John Harbaugh's reaction when
Lamar through the interception that makea Fitzpatrick picked off in
that second game, and you watch hard and they had
it on hard Knocks, so it's there if you want
to watch it. And Hardbaugh spent the entire game talking
about how this was gonna be different. I'm gonna go out,
I'm just gonna be mister positive today, mister positive.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I am.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Everything's positive, everything's positive. And Lamar through that interception, you
just saw him like a looked at this guy and
go and then he put his hands head down in
his hands on like, here we go again.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
We can't.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
This happens every time we play these guys.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Yeah, and obviously that is absolutely one of the keys.
And see it was are better on special teams too, Yeah,
that's one of those in the margins.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Still, I don't know if they have a return guy
or not. They've they've rattled through a bunch of return
guys because they all put the ball on the ground.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Okay, I didn't realize that was a problem for him. Oh,
it's been a huge issue for a punt return yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
And kickoff really but they've that's why they've used one, two, three,
four different punt returners. They're on the Steven Simms now okay.
Uh and one two, three, four or five six different
kick returners. Wow, they've it doesn't matter who they put
out there.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
They put the vol in struggling. Yeah, and the kicker
has been bad too. Yeah, back to the kicker real quick.
He's made three kicks since we've seen him last. I
don't know that he's like out of the woods all us. No,
I mean his year was really bad.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
It was pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, yeah, great player, great all time player, great, all
time folks. Not making fun of the opponent. We're not
doing that.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
No, right, if you guys were Ravens fans, you'd be
really concerned about Justin Tuckery.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Absolutely, I mean you should be absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
And that day might come to balls one day, you know, right,
it happens to everybody. Anyways, Let's get to a break.
That's gonna do it for second number one. Here, Matt
and are gonna take a break. We'll be back with
more right after this.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven home of the Black and
Gold cass in Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
And we are back. I am Dale Lolly, he is
the Matt Williamson and Matt. I haven't seen an injury
report yet out of Baltimore or Pittsburgh for that matter,
but everything is pointing towards Za Flowers not playing in this.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
No good news about it.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, yeah, here's the thing. You take Zay Flowers off
the field. Seventy four catches, one thousand and fifty nine
yards and four touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Pro Bowler this year Pro Bowl.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, the next two leading receivers in terms of catches
in this game are both Steelers.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Oh, I think you're gonna say both tight ends.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
For about the Ravens, well, the top two pass catchers
in terms of well for this actually the top two
pest catchers are Pat Frinmworth and George Pickens.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Okay, second more catches than any other.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Sixty five and fifty nine catches For the Ravens, it
would be then Mark Andrews with fifty five and Rashaud
Bateman with forty five.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Not shocking.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I did a lot of background stuff on these guys,
Like Bateman had a nice game this past week.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I think he had four catches. Yeah, the two.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Games before that he had one catch each, right, Yeah,
I thought he was a little more productive week the week. Andrews,
we know, started slow, but I think he's kind of
hit his stride. Yeah, but Flowers was really important to
those guys. I mean really a lot of manufactured touches,
a lot of after the catch explosive almost right right,
and he can get over the top.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah, he's a good player. I mean he's a really
good player.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Give him some more of it motion and throw it
out there to him. And yeah, and we mentioned this
earlier in the week too. I mean I would imagine
if he's out, Bateman and Porter are going at it
every time.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Yeah, and I don't trust their other receiver. That's why
they got the Aunty Johnson didn't work out, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Right, if I mean, if you look at it, then
Nelson Aguilar moves into the number three role. He had
fourteen catches all season long.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, he's just a guy.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Tyler Wallace up a spot. Eleven catches for one hundred
and ninety three yards, and remember eighty four of that
was one in that angle. Yeah, yeah, that he just
broke a tackle and ran down the sideline. It was
a bad job by the Bengals in it. So his
other ten catches went for one hundred and ten yards.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
So if you look at it through the Ravens perspective,
I mean we know they're really low eleven team anyway, Yeah,
which was I thought it was a little odd when
they got Deonta, but it made sense because they don't
want this to happen, right, I Mean that's why.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
They was a lot different or be feeling all that.
If Deontay Johnson hadn't said I can't.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
If he was happy and playing like he was here
and what they thought they were buying, which wasn't true.
He was basically there's a flowers Yeah, placement potential, yeah, yeah, exactly,
you know, just loading up with depth going into the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
So do you just go big? I mean they do anyway.
Ricards played like forty five.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Percent of the snaps something like that, and likely he's
a weapon, Andrews is a weapon. I mean, do you
just go big? And Steelers in base the whole time?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I would guess, I mean you may play some nickel, right,
but probably not a ton.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
I wouldn't think. I mean, I would think if they're
going to come out with in twenty two with recard
and two tight ends or twelve without recard, Henry's be
on the field a lot, but he's not third down back.
All of a sudden, the skill guys are not as gets.
It gets a little convoluted, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Trying to figure out you know, you're you're playing chess
with without your queen and you know.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Who's your You always got to worry about who's your
chipper for what? And those guys too, which is usually
coler and they'll play a fair amount of thirteen but
not like the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Here's the thing, so you look at it, Coler and Recard.
Now Cohler was hurt some, he's back now.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Nine catches for one hundred and thirty one yards for Coler.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Those guys don't touch the ball. Yeah yeah. Ricard had
three touches all season that it's crazy. Yeah, like he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
They don't even throw in the football anymore.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
No, he's a guard.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Yeah, he's a guard that lines up all over the field.
I wouldn't to see what his snap count is because
it's pretty high.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Where did I have that? But I'll dig it up,
But it's real high.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Actually, he plays a very high percentage and he's a
really interesting guy to play against. But Greg Coasell talks
about this all the time when he talks about the
Bengals offense. He's like, they're the only team that willingly
only plays with four skill guys. I mean, I mean
a very regular amount, and it's an odd way of
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doing things.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
If you look at it and look, Andrews and Likely
are two good tight ends.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah, yeah, too likely.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Between the two of them, they had ninety seven catches
for just over one thousand yards.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
If you look at the Steeler tight ends.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
They finished the season with ninety six catches for nine
hundred and thirty three yards and ten touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Okay, yeah, it's a pretty good Piermans. Come on.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Strong's one of the interesting things about the playoffs as
a whole, much like it was last year.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah, I know you did some homework on this.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Twelve of fourteen teams in the postseason either had a
tight end catch fifty or more passes or would have
had a guy catch fifty passes if he had stayed healthy.
Kinkaid didn't get there. He finished with forty two was
it forty three catches in thirteen games? Forty four catches
in thirteen and I don't think they're thrilled with him.
Hawkinson had forty one catches in ten games.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
So he already played, but he would have missed half
the season.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
He missed the first two games. Remember we're kind of slow.
He would have been over over that number. And so
really the only two teams and then Goddard also didn't
quite get there, but he.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Was like per game. All those guys were productive. He
just didn't play enough games.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
The Broncos and Rams are really the only two teams
that don't feature their tight end at all in their offenses.
I'd say the Chargers or border Line Distey had fifty catches.
He's more than you, more involved than you think.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
And what's so smart? Yeah, he's also coming on too. Yeah.
I found it interesting because who did the Chiefs beat
in the AFC champion was at the Bills to be
to go to the go to the Super Bowl last year?
Where the final four teams, I know, the final fourteen,
it might have been the final for the two teams
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in the NFC were Laporta and Kittle. It was Kelsey
in the AFC and it was either Kim Kate or Andrews.
I should know off the top of my head, but
I don't. But they were like the three most productive
tight ends in the league last year. Yeah, Kittle, Kelsey
and Laporta. And I remember us having a conversation about
it even a year ago that basically there aren't many
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really good tight ends that don't have a lot of wins.
And we'll see about Bowers, we'll see about McBride. But
like over the course of Kittle's career, he's won an
awful lot of games. Over the course of Kelsey's career,
won a ton of games. Gronkowski is the best tight
end I've ever seen. He won a bazillion games. Like
sometimes it's not me, it's you. I mean sometimes like
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you give me that guy puts you over the top.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, no, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
I'm not saying friar Mouse Goronkowski, but I think friar
Mouth needs. We do these three keys.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
With Rob King.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
One of mine's going to probably be Firemouth, you know,
getting him heavily involved.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Especially if I mean you're talking anywhere three to It
was the Ravens that they beaten.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
And Andrews had I remember all four of those guys
being really strong.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
But you know, if you look at it, it's supposed
to be snow in the in the forecast on Saturday,
anywhere from three inches to eight inches.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Wow. I would assume even if the snow has stopped.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
It's still going to be cold and windy in Baltimore
right on the You're right on the harbor there, And
I think that's one of the reasons why the Ravens
kind of do things that they do. I mean, they've
always had either a chain mover at a wide receiver position,
the Derek Mason's.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Or themis and h Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, a guy who's not necessarily going to be down
the field, but he's going to be there to get
you ten yards when you need ten yards.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
A lot of them are veterans they plucked off another team,
right or.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
In this case, they've done it with the tight ends
because they know where they play.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
At absolutely So they drafted two tight ends the same
year they.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Drafted Lamar one ahead of them, one behind them, and
quickly found out that was Lamar's early best friends too,
was the middle of the field. Now he's advanced as
a passer. But yeah, it is interesting how they they're built.
I mean, they use offensive personnel a lot different than
anybody else.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yeah, so it's hard to play against.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
It does, and you know, one of the things that
a lot and one of the things that Mike Tomlin
mentioned is like, look, it's not necessarily hard or easier
to play a team harder or easier to play a
team three times and hardbas said basically the same thing
he said. But what it does it gets you down
into the more coaching because now you've got to try
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to figure out something schematically that's going to be different
schematically for the Ravens offensive. Anyways, Without having Flowers out there,
there's not a lot you can do.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
I mean, they're not going to be like, well, our
new wrinkle was we're going to live in three wide. Yeah,
everybody's been to be great.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Everybody's been beating the Steelers with the three wide and bunch.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Quick stuff right right, And no day Flowers is a
good quick hitter under two point five type of guy too,
and thought of that angle too. I mean in terms
of the getting the ball out quick, that's how everyone's attacking.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Lamar can do that.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
But yeah, but taking Flowers out of that's not that's
not Bateman.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
No, no, no, And it's definitely not agal Are and
tight ends that's hard to pull off.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, you know you're not gonna get much run after
the catch if you throw a tight end no four
yard past you shouldn't.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Any reasonlikely in those guys. They're not gonna rumble for
big YARDI is probably Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
So, I mean they're kind of missing a key ingredient
in this game, a.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Key ingredient, key chess piece. It's not like anyone else
on the team. Yeah, that's the thing is maybe they
would even rather lose Andrews. Yeah, because at least they
have other type likely and color and right, we can
recard it up a little bit more, but Flowers is
really important to them.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
So I don't know that that's being talked enough in
this situation.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
You know, as the ether's waiting for the injury reports
officially come out. But it sure doesn't sound good.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Everything that I'm seeing and hearing him from it is
like he's not gonna it.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Sounded like that. Who's the game ended? Yea.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
And even if he does happen to play, how much
cutting is he gonna do on a spray knee.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
On a not great field probably too, with weather and
snow and all that stuff too. Yeah, yeah, so yeah,
he's not a mutter.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
No, no, he is a race car.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
He is, uh and a good one.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
No, he is.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
He'd be high on their list of guys to not
to lose.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
He's a very Again, that's why they went out and
got Deontay because Deontay is the most like Flowers of
anybody that they've had on their roster this year, and
they don't have.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
That and more of a man coverage beat or two.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
It's kind of the same reason the Steelers went and
got you know, a player like Mike Williams. Williams because
he's the closest thing to George Pickens that you you know, yeah,
gonna replication you number one.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Two of them on the field a little bit more,
I do.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
I think Williams is kind of getting the point now
where we got him here for a reason. He's starting
to pass some tests playoff time, at the playoff type
of move.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
You know, he's a mismatch, you know, I you know,
even if he just goes out there is big.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Against Wiggans and those guys.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I mean yeah, and he had three catches in the
first meeting or the last meeting, I should say, with
these guys. Yeah, so you know Pickens, remember Pickens missed
that game.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Okay, right right right, And they're not a one for one.
But I'd like to see them out there together, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah together. I mean it's like it's like, yeah, I'm
gonna go to the chessboards. There's those two rooks at
the end of the board there.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Okay, and you know Russell, I mean one of them
is always gonna get one on one and he'll throw
the deep ball to either right on one. You know,
I don't think he'll hesitate on that.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, so that's going to be the again the interesting
zig slash zag game planning of this one. As you again,
you're not fooling any The personnel is the personnel. You
know the strengths, you know the weaknesses. Yeah, Now it's
a matter of scheming things up.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
What little things can we do to yea, get them
off guard or try try to throw a loop in things.
I think a big part of it, too is special teams.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
I don't watch special teams film. I'm not smart about
special teams. But I bet both coordinators and instances like this,
especially Danny knowing his style, is going to have a
kickblock that they've never seen before, a punt block they've
never seen before. It's maybe an odd return, you know,
maybe once someone does something goofy, like does a reverse
on a kick return. You know, just this is a
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game that we haven't done.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
This is a game that all these these little plays
that you've been working on all season long.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
As I say, it's been spend in your playbook, can
be practiced it, but you haven't used it, right, right?
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Why would we saving it four?
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Now? Use it now?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Absolutely, I remember I gotten all kinds of issues. I
should say in eight, the Steelers all season long have
worked on a basically a wildcat package.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Stap it a running back.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, hadn't used it all season long. And just I'm
doing a bunch of radio shows this Super Bowl week
and I just mentioned him passing that, you know, we're
somehow we got on that subject and I mentioned him passing, Oh,
you know that happens. The Steelers have worked on this
wildcat package all season long, they haven't used it. Lo
and behold in the Super Bowl they come out and
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snap direct snapped them and Weldy More and he gets
blown up, and that people were coming at me. Oh
you I'm like, I trust me. They weren't listening to
you know.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
I doubt they changed their practice script because of two sentences.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
At that point eight. Everybody at some point had used
yeah wow yeah, right right. It wasn't the surprise that
it was now when the Dolphins started throwing Ronny Brown
started that stuff.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
You know, about five years before that.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
It was also I mean, no offense and Weldy More.
But it was Moldy More in the wildcat. It wasn't
Ronnie Brown.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
It wasn't the most dangerous guy out there.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Raven Zoo with Derrick Henry snap to him is a
little scarier than the most.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
So anyways, you just thought that the tight end stuff
in this year's play offs, it's starting to be a.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Theme in the league. It really is. I mean it's
a really important piece.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
I mean the top teams have them, and the top
of tight ends win a lot of games.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, and so when tight ends, when Brock Bauers goes
into top ten of the draft this year, it's not
not that so paid off.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah, maybe they did want a quarterback, but they're not
unhappy with the guy that got no, not at all. Now,
that'd be a good test. Can the Raiders win a
lot of games with him? Or they got a long
way to go? Fired their coach five minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah, we'll talk more about that when we come back.
He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening
to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt
and I'll be back with more right after this.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
At least.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and
Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
And we are back. I am Dale Lolli. He is
the Matt Williamson and this is the drive on the
Steelers Audio network. Well, Black Friday started Black Monday, I
should say, started yesterday in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
And trickling then, though usually it's a title wave. Still.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Some more firings are the uh well the Raiders uh
being the latest one today fired a head coach Antonio Pearce,
offensive coordinator Luke Getzi back on the streak eight again,
quarterback coach Rick Scanderello, and offensive line coach James Craig
all fired. I would assume that some other.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah it was one or what how the others survived?
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, maybe they're gonna let the let the.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
The defense ended up playing pretty strong at the end.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, you just let the new coach decide that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Tennessee Titans have fired general manager Ran Karthin after just
two seasons. The Colts fired defensive coordinator Gus Bradley.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
That was an easy one.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
The Seahawks fired offensive coordinator Ryan Grubb.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Really after one year. I didn't that must have just
happened or I missed it.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Lou Ana Roumo got the acts in Cincinnati. They defensive coordinator.
The Jacksonville Aguars have fired head coach Doug Peterson, head
coach Jared Gerrod Mayo gets the acts in New England.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
That happened like a minute after the game.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
That's gonna be Mike Rabel, I would.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Think, I would assume.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah, the Browns have fired offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey and
offensive line coach Andy Dickerson.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
That's the first year guy too.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah, and of course the Bears let go of Matt
eber Flusen, Shane Waldron, you get Dennis Allen gone, and yeah, yeah,
those dozens we already knew. Uh So, a lot of openings.
Now for some think there's five, six, six, now six, Okay,
it might be done, could be. Yeah, Dallas hasn't gotten
the stamp of approval yet. I thought the Giants were
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in trouble and they're gonna survive. Miami been thrown out there.
But they're saying Miami and New York, the Giants, both
the owners both put out yeah, saying everybody's safe.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
We're yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Yeah, that's not like it's week ten whenever. That's like
the kiss of death. Yeah, the Michael Corley only kiss.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
You know, that's a tough situation though, because especially if
for the Giants, you don't have a quarterback, no, and
so you're gonna go into this offseason without a quarterback
and you may not be high enough where they I
think they're picking third. I think so they're gonna have
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to probably trade up to get right if they want
one of the top two quarterbacks in this draft. Now
Jaln Milroe could change that.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Maybe a little bit. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Well, the first two picks are Tennessee, who just fired their.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
GM and probably needs a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
I would imagine they're going to get a GM that
has a history of drafting good quarterback.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
I mean, I assume that goes hand in hand. They
also spend a lot of money in free agency last
year to come in first overall in the draft. Yes,
owners don't like that. No big spending off season gets
you the worst team in the league.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Not good.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
New England's safe in terms of quarterbacks. But I would
assume the Browns too. I would assume the Browns are
going to be very much in the.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Market, so you know, you top two, if there's two
top two placeholders, would then take likely those top two quarterbacks.
That doesn't leave anybody for the Giants unless again, Jlen.
Let's say Jaylen Milroe goes to the combine and he's
gonna do it.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
From here here forward? Is gonna be up his alley. Yeah,
he's gonna test.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Well, and you know the next thing then will also
be interviews. Does he interview?
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Well?
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Yeah, you know, I hadn't thought of them in that light,
like a top five overall pick, but that's how this
process works.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
There's some other guys who've gone top five, including to
the Giants with Daniel Jones, that.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Baker Mayfield, Carson Wentz. I mean when the regular season ended,
we were not talking about them being the first couple
of picks in the draft.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yeah, there's a lot of them, right, So that's gonna
be the decision they have to make. And if it
is say a mill Roe or you know, they go
the veteran wash out type, let's say they you know,
go get Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Is that gonna be enough to save those guys jobs again?
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Again? And I don't know. I icy.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
The quarterback musical chairs is not great right now at all.
I mean, especially if Darnold goes back to Minnesota. I mean,
he's the prize free agent. Yeah, I think Minnesota fields
offers for McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Like, I'm not sure. If I'm the Giants, I can
give you.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
The fourth pick for him, but maybe, I mean, if
there's nothing else, I can't go in with what I got.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yeah, I don't know. I just smell a lot of.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
These teams overdrafting or overspending or overpaying for quarterbacks. You know,
Like if I'm the Browns, I'd listen if you're gonna
give me a ton to go from four to two
to take Sanders, who I might like but not love.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
I need everything, and I'll get a quarterback next year.
Not like Watson's the answer, But I don't.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Know I can. For the Browns, They're married to Watson.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
He's gonna be on the team.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
There was news at at Andrew barry He's final press
conference or GM that Watson had a setback in his achilles.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
With his achille surgery.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
I don't know what that means is I mean, they
can't to be conning on him to be the open
It can't be good right right out to have a
setback at this point, because mean you're half a season
out from.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
I keep thinking they're going to tell him never to
dress again.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Well they really they adjusted the contract I know.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Which makes no sense to me either.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Which would then give them, you know, the ability to
go out and maybe get a veteran reacher at Kirk
Cousins Derek Carr if he becomes available, and try.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
To think give PR Carr away with their caps issues.
But like, are people going to look at Daniel Jones
as the next Donald? Maybe say that might be a
rout people, I wouldn't take it.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
I wouldn't. I mean I like Donald coming out more
than Jones.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
I like Donald a lot more.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Donald was my number one quarterback in that Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
Yeah, I mean even like Baker has really taking things
to a new level. I mean, people to look at
retreads like that. I don't know, because it's hard to
really come up with thirty two starters and maybe like
the fields of the World benefit, they're sitting back going,
well maybe I can get five million more now.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
It's hard to if we sat down and said, all
thirty two teams, let's project who their starter is going
to be, there's be three or four that don't have
hardly anything. You don't want to be stuck in that, right,
that's not a good place.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
Like I wouldn't mind if I were the Saints, per
se and just eat your vegetables all year, Maybe get
the first overall pick by accident next year at this
time and clear all your cap space and know that
that whoever your coach is is in for that.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
You know, yeah, because they've they've matched out their credit
cards for years, right, right, years?
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Just one year eating your vegetables, you know, and then
turn car into a second round pick or something.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
You know. I don't know if you get a two
for Derek Carr, giants give you a two.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Based on what he's making too, like that that's a
tough right, not young and he's expensive, Like.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
They're just not thirty two of them out there.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
They might have give me a fourth round. Here, we're
gonna give you Derek Carr and a fourth round draft
pick to take him off our hand. Again, it's a
cap cap.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
Right, right, I mean they you know the cap relieve
they can get. Yeah, yeah, so I don't. But you
start doing the math. I mean, obviously there's fifteen to
twenty teams.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
That are obvious borrow, etcetera.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
But I just don't see how many names. I just
don't see this as being a great quarterback.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Drin No, no, again, I don't know enough about the draft.
But are Warden Sanders the best two players in this
draft or no?
Speaker 3 (45:35):
They if they were.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
I don't think Warden Sanders even close to being the
top two yearsiness draft.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
If they came out last year where they've been top
four quarterback taken, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
I don't think so yet.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
I would, I know, I have a year of knowledge
on it, but I'd take Nick's over either one of them.
I'd take Panix over e the one of them, and
hardly sign those guys that might take McCarthy over both
of them. That's why I'm saying the Bikes might be
able to I don't know. But he's come off an injury, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
So it's interesting, and you know, we may hear some
other things trickling out here is.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
And obviously this affects the Steelers too. They don't have
a don't a guy under contract right right? They don't
have one period. Yeah, So that's where you're at with
all that.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
But let's get to a break that's going to do
it for our number one of the drive here on
the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I'll be back with
our number two right after this