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January 13, 2025 • 44 mins
Dale and Matt share their thoughts, feelings, and takeaways from the team's loss to the Ravens in the first round of the playoffs.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
At least, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the
Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
And Welcome to the Drive.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
I am Dale LOLLI he is the Matt Williamson and
Matt game didn't go exactly like we thought it would
on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
No, it went pretty terribly, pretty terribly just kind of.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
It was the Ravens who came out and kind of,
you know, we talked about it last week. Is that
Spider Man meme? You know, I know what you're gonna do,
and you look like me, and I look like all
that stuff. And Lamar Jackson hadn't run the ball that
much against the Steelers, No, and he came in and

(00:55):
ran the ball I think five consecutive plays on the
opening drive of that game. That wasn't five plays for
big yardage, right, but it was five consecutive plays to
convert first downs. And it just continued from there and
the Steelers couldn't stop it. They couldn't stop Derrick Henry
and they lost twenty eight fourteen.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Yeah, and the Jackson runs became pretty obvious. I mean,
your edge guy, whether it's Wad or high Smith. It
seemed like mostly they were going more.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
To Watt side whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
What isn't interested in Lamar at all? Yeah, mean he
is crashing down the line of scrimmage pair that.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Was that was a defensive plan. Usually he's doing.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
It's where the Steelers zagged instead of Right, Okay, TJ,
you got the running back in these situations. Right, it
used to be TJ you got You've got Lamar in
these situations.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
I think Lamar's eyes opened this big and said, if
that's if they're going, if I'm gonna watch DJ run
right across my face and I've got a handful of
yards to make anyone on the planet miss, I'm doing
that over and over and over.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
And frankly, the Steelers din't play with a lot of energy,
and they were the weaker team. They were obviously the
weaker team, especially in the first half against what I
think is an awesome offense. And I think, frankly, I
think the Ravens might win Super Bowl. But when that
when Lamar became very aware of how the Steelers were
playing it, it makes it really tough.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
And and there's an's there's more to that. And then
when they didn't play it that way. They just handed
it to Henry.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yeah exactly. I mean they not that they guessed right,
but they were always right. And you know, if you're
gonna play it that way, where I'm just using Wad
an example, he didn't do anything wrong, but he comes
crashing down the line of scrimmage, Well, Queen or your
phil guy has to scrape over, knowing that, and they
were always slow to it.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Well, we found out today Ian Rapaport reporting that Patrick
Queen had to get four bags of IV fluids up
step slow in that game.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, again, flat footed, worn out. Yeah, I mean he.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Looked I saw him after the game, and he looked
like he's exhausted. And I had no idea that is
the case at that time. And now it kind of
adds up, It really adds up. I mean because there
were a handful of plays. I'm not saying he's dogging it,
but he barely moved, you know, like it was a
couple of steps here and there.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
I mean, like they're playing with nothing in the tank.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, and so the Steelers, you know, right, the Steelers
lose twenty eight fourteen. That was a defensive side of things.
Offensively there just wasn't. I didn't see the fight offensively
in the first half either. Guys weren't breaking tackles. Guys

(03:37):
weren't right fighting for first downs. I texted you every
time yesterday when I saw that in those games.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
When a tight end would run over defensive back, tight
end ward run a quarterback quite a few times, quarterback
would run over a defensive back.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Ye running back would run it just constant.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yesterday I had I had to have texted you five
or six times, like, look at that, look at that right,
and it didn't happen the Steelers.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
It's playoff football.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
You're big and bruising in Flick Payne. I mean, Henry
did Tamiica, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
You know what I mean, Like this is what it's
all about. It this one.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Well, and that's the thing I mean. You know, when
you look at this Ravens offense coming into this game.
We talked about it last week.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
You had to know.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
You had to know that they were going to lean
on Henry sure if you let them do it. They
didn't have the receivers, they didn't have no and why
the Steelers didn't have Joey Porter Junior travel with Bateman
is beyond me is.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Beyond me, and frankly, to take a step further, this
added up. I didn't know it until actually reading it today.
The Ravens were an eleven eleven percent of the time,
I mean an ungodly low number, like the lowest number
in the last five years of any playoff team.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Now we saw that coming.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
They don't have good receivers and the best guys out
and they got a bunch of big dudes. They had
a sixth offensive lineman on the field twenty two percent
of the time, and that's not even counting Ricard as
a sixth offensive lineman, who's really a seventh offensive lineman.
And the Steelers still played nickel a lot over fifty
percent of the snaps. For a nickel you could be

(05:12):
the best schemed up team in the league. You just
got little people playing against big people.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
And that's the thing. So, I mean, I understand being concerned.
You have to have enough people in the field that
can run with Lamar Jackson, I get that right, And
that's what the Chargers did to them in Jackson's first
playoff game, is they went with seven defensive best a bunch.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
Of Darwin James out there right right, just flooding the
middle of the field and being fast.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
The problem becomes Henry. Those guys having attack on Henry.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
Right now, Henry has done I saw this today too,
that this December and beyond in his career is by
far the best of any back in NFL history. I mean,
it's remarkably good. Every playoff game he's in, he's a hammer.
He's over one hundred and fifty yards repeatedly, the most

(05:57):
in history. And the four of them, Yeah, and Terrell
Davis is the only one that's even like close to him,
and they're not the same, you know, I mean, and
he does this to everybody. He gets stronger. Defenses just
get weaker throughout the course of the year. Attrition they get.
It's harder to tackle big people in the cold. And
so much of his yards were after first contact in

(06:19):
this game that he's a pretty remarkable specimen. And I
whan you match him with Lamar, I mean, the thunder
and lightning that they provide is rare in NFL history,
And that.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
You knew that you played against. Right that being.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Said, I thought the backbreaker, you down fourteen to nothing
late in a half. First of all, you had to
play the pickings down the sideline that would have made it.
You would have had to boll to seven down fourteen
to nothing at that point, I could pick.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
It's credit. He played a whale game.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, yeah, I thought Humphreys sold the pass interference call and.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Probably call more often than not, was my thought. But
in the.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Borderline, border line, But okay, he pushed off a little bit.
But show me a receiver that doesn't down the field
that Humphrey did a great job of selling it.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
It happened. It is what it is.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
The Ravens go to the length of the field, but they
used all their timeouts. They get the ball with eleven
seconds left. Yeah, at the five, the Steelers have Lamar
Jackson himed in in the pocket. They've got hands on him.
I think Herbig had him. Yeah, and he escapes and
throws a touchdown pass with two seconds left in the

(07:30):
first half, and now it's twenty one nothing.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
His time to throw on that play was like six
point three seconds or so. Hardball talked about it after
the game.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
He's like, because they had no timeouts left right right,
If he's tackled in the field to play, that's it.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
It's fourteen to nothing.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
At the half and you feel the Steelers are going
all right, we just got badly out played in the
first half.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
But it's only two scores. As we saw in the
Houston League game, he.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Can't do is take a sack. Yeah, and they're beating
blockers left it right, but making him get a sack.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Nobody got him on the ground superhero, And to me,
that was just such a bad breaker because you had
what you want. You had the pass rush on him,
even if he's for six seconds, if he scrambles in
that situation, there were guys waiting there. He was probably
going to get tackled short of the goal line. And
he flips the ball out to the flat and Hill
goes in from He's one of the only people on

(08:17):
the plane that they can make that play. You know,
sometimes you just have to tip. I mean the other
guys get paid too. Yeah, And I thought the guys
are really good. There were some plays that Jackson made
that I thought, well, there's only about two guys on
the face of the earth that can make that particular play.
The other one was the killer. They get the sack
for for some reason, the Steelers make it twenty eight
to fourteen they're showing some life, showing some life back

(08:40):
in the game.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
There's water. They're back in the football game. But they
come out.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
They get a sack on the Ravens. Don't even have
Henry on the field to open that nextar. They didn't
put him on the field that entire possession and they
go three and out. I'm sorry. They get the sack.
The Steelers get the sack on first down. This is
the open third quarter. I'm getting to be in the half, right, Yeah.
They get the sack on first down. It's it's now
second and twenty one, and they roll Jackson out to

(09:08):
his right. They had for card just completely. He just
all right, let wat come in and then just sealed
him off to the inside because they knew they were
rolling to the right.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
He cut. He runs all the way across the field.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Nobody opened, nobody opened, nobody open, and then throws back
to the middle of the field. I think it was
Agilar that caught that one for a twenty two yard game.
He caught it short of the sticks and goes out.
Maybe it was Tylan Wallace, either one, it doesn't matter.
He threw about a sixteen yard pass and he ends
up getting just enough he gets twenty one yards on

(09:39):
that or twenty two yards to convert the first down.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
And I'm like, their.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Guys are just getting past the line of the line
to gain and the Steelers guys didn't all day long.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Absolutely, and I'm not gonna call him out. Well, fire
Muth was the perfect example of that. You know, like,
it's a little guy in front of you. Run him
over two instances.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
In the first half where and he dropped the first
play of the game, the first actually the first two
series that the Steelers had the ball.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Now, the first one was it was fourth and long
and he caught it and he had to get i
think seven or eight yards and he came up two
yards short. He got gang tackled in that one, but
you got it. The second one, he catches the ball
in the flat. It's it's third and two. Yeah, and
all he has to do is get past one hundred
and eighty pounds of Darius Washington.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah right, you're a tight end. You're two hundred and
fifty pounds.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
That guy's five ft nine and one hundred and eighty pounds,
and you let him get you on the ground.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Short of sticks and play, you have to have. You
got to have it, and you you know.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Everything gets magnified, especially physicality in the playoffs, especially Raven Steelers,
you know, and you got to be the hammer there.
You can't, you can't come up short. And there's too
many of those instances on both sides of the ball,
you know, I mean there's.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Again.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
It's just this is a really good football team, a
really physical football team. But I would have liked to
see more fight.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Not that they laid down, it's just they they went
backwards way too often, you know, the powerfeld the other way. Yeah,
they had no running game, no running game. They gained
twenty nine yards on eleven carries.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Twenty nine yards or two hundred ninety nine. Yeah, you
won't see a bigger difference in that.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
And honestly, I mean, if you look at what Russell
Wilson did in this game, he was twenty of twenty nine.
Four of those twenty nine were.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Throwing or throw aways. Yeah, I saw that in your article.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
He had twenty He was twenty of twenty five when
he was actually given time to throw, and he got
the ball down the field when they attacked, and I
didn't think they attacked enough early.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
I don't either. And again, there's so much Monday morning
quarterbacking involved. But I bet if Tomlin or Arthur Smith
or whatever, we're sitting here and said, let's do it again.
You know what you know now, I think you put
the ball in Russ's hands more.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
That's what you brought him here for.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah, And frankly, I thought Pickings leading up to the game.
I said many times the series have any chance, Picking
needs to be one of the best players on the field,
and I thought he was. And I actually made some
notes in the third quarter. I'm like, I might throw
it to the Pickens every time and just see what happens. Yeah,
I mean, like, I know the Austin play was desperation,

(12:13):
but watching it on TV, he threw into triple coverage
to a really small receiver in the end zone. Frankly,
he didn't have much choice. But you could hardly even
see Austin because there was so much purple around him,
you know what I mean, Like, you got one dude
that's a supreme playmaker that was playing well. I almost
felt at that point just give him the ball every

(12:33):
time and see what happens, because he's an immensely.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Time I mean the Ravens knew that as well, and
of course he was getting doubled all the time, all
the time, yeah, all the time, you know. But again
they had chunk pass plays. You know the play that
Austin made it's on third and three or third and
ten from the three on their first touchdown drive was like,
that's a big time catch.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, it's a big time.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Throw over the middle where everybody says Russell Wilson can't throw.
I mean, he stuck that into a tight spot for
a big game. He then comes out hits Mike Williams
down the sideline. These were on third, third and long
plays too, right, right, and then his Van Jefferson for
the touchdown on third and long for a thirty yard
touchdown pass I think.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
You cited in your article, but he had five or
six between like twenty five and thirty five yard catchers,
I mean, chrunk plays.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
All we heard the Ravens have fixed their their their
issues with their.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
With the deep ball.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Well, that would suggest that maybe they didn't. Teams just
weren't trying it, and you know, you don't know until
you know. I would have tried that earlier.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Yeah, And again they weren't on the field a whole
heck of a lot.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
I mean, that's obviously you have to convert some of
those first downs.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
I mean a lot of frankly, over the last five games,
a lot of our Monday morning quarterback or why I
would have done this more on offense. I've done that
more on offense. But then it's like, wow, but they
only ran ten plays in the free.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
I mean, you got to run to stay on the field,
got to stay on the field. Guy's got to fight
for first downs.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
And you know, I was talking with Wolf and Rob
we do Air to Night Monday Night about you know,
the time of possession thing. It seems like every Monday
we've been talking about time of possession, you know, in
the post game shows with those two. And in these
five games, there's been three hundred minutes of football and
the Steelers have had the football for like one hundred

(14:19):
and twenty one of those three hundred minutes. But to me,
that's the symptom. That's not the disease. You go to
the doctor saying, Doc, time possessions all messed up. My
arm hurts, you know, my my chest hurts. Whatever, And
Doc does all the tests and says well, these are
your problems. Well they're the problems are on both sides
of the ball, you know, like you've got to get
that time possession back and run more plays. But it's

(14:41):
not just because you haven't run the ball well enough
or you're giving up too much on the run. It's
all the above, you know, and it just leads to
bad time possession, which is we know, just snowballs and
gets bigger and bigger and bigger down the hill.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
I got some stats. I look some things up today.
I had some thoughts as I was watching all the
games take place here over the weekend. Yeah, this will
be without the Monday night game, playoff game that will
finish off the wild card weekend. But I gets some
stats that I want to dig into that speak to
what you just talked about there, and we'll do that
when we return. He is the Matt Williamson. I am

(15:11):
Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive. You're on the
Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be back with
more right after this.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
At least is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the
Black and Gold cast in Steelers Nation.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Radio, and we are back. I'm Dale Lolli.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
He is the Matt Williamson and Matt during the game
yesterday or during the after the AFC.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Game and all the FC game for yeah, yeah, we're completing.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
I tweeted out and I just did this for comparisons purposes,
And people thought, oh, you're making an excuse for the Steelers. No,
I wasn't at all. If you read my ten thoughts
after the game, pretty blunt. They get their butts. But
I said the AFC games were not competitive. Oh and

(16:07):
here's how non competitive.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
They were the Steelers.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
The Steelers game was the closest of the TREA and
the Steelers, and the Steelers scored the most points and
gave up the fewest points of the AFC team.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
It was bad. And so I would say that the
Steelers is bad.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
Their first half might have been the worst of any
of the you know, but at least at one point,
semi late in the game, it was still a game.
I mean, Denver Buffalo wasn't at that point, you know,
deep into the third quarter, you at least had your
head above water. But you're right, it was three very
lopsided games, but go go, So.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Maybe look up today, just the first round of the playoffs,
not excluding tonight's game. Though far we've seen only one
lower seeded team win that Washington was right against Tampa,
not that you.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Know, right, They're not a powerhouse, right all right.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
So Houston had four hundred and twenty nine yards of offense. Okay,
remember they did nothing in the first quarter of that game.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
No, and they had three turnovers in that game too.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, they turned the ball over three times. They averaged
they ran seventy plays. Houston did Houston to fifty four
for LA Baltimore had four hundred and sixty four yards
of offense. They ran seventy two plays compared to forty
five for the Steelers. Buffalo had four hundred and seventy

(17:32):
one yards of offense they ran they had seventy two plays.
Denver had forty two.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Wow. So these are like thirty play discrepancies. Thirty plays.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Now, Philadelphia green Bay was a little bit differently different
because Philly.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Was just both those defenses played well. Yeah, and green
Bay turned the ball over four times.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Philadelphia had none, right, right, you know, you lose the
turnover battle four nothing, you're going to lose.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, And Philly never really did much through the air.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
To Washington last night. Now, mind you, Washington only had
eighty two rushing yards in that.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Game, including Jane Daniels.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Right, yeah, they ran sixty nine plays. Tampa ran forty four.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
So and obviously time possession is going to reflect on this,
and that's how we ended last segment.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Time of possession.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Houston had the ball for thirty four to twenty five,
Baltimore had it thirty nine to thirty three.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Buffalo had it for.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Forty one minutes and forty three almost forty two minutes.
Denver didn't even have They had eighteen minutes and seventeen
seconds in time of possession.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Denver scored on the first drive, and they scored on
the first drive. I won a big back for that. Wow.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Philly won the time of possession thirty minutes and thirty
three seconds. Even though they got out gained in the game.
They controlled the game. Washington had it for thirty five.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
Right, they controlled the game, Yeah, Philly. I mean the
numbers might not reflect it, but they controlled the game.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Washington had it for thirty five to twenty six. Wow.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
I mean it's massively important, and I think the later
and later you get in the season, it becomes more
and more important. And there was a time when the
Steelers were ten to three, they were number one in
time of possession. I mean they're capable of being that
team as well. Now you gonna do it against the
top tier teams. Yeah, so good.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
The average is for the first five playoff games. These
are the averages, and there's some outliers, and this is
still the average. The average winning team held the ball
for thirty seven minutes. The average winning team had four
hundred point eight yards of total offense. The losing team
had two seventy point two. The average winning team average

(19:36):
five point nine yards per play, the losers had five
point five. The average winning team had to ran sixty
eight plays, the average losing team forty nine.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
It's unbelievable. You can't ask anything. I don't care.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Denver's defense is good, Green Bay's defense is good. But
you can't continually ask your defense to go out there.
You have to be able to perform offensively over the
course of the game.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
You just have to.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
That's again. During this five game losing streak, got a
three hundred minutes. They've been on the field for like
one hundred and twenty two Steelers. It's it's a losing
proposition all day long, every you know, times a thousand.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Of the teams that lost yesterday in Saturday, Tampa averaged
six point five yards per play. Okay, if you look
at it, Washington averaged five point one. The Steelers averaged
six point two yards per play.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah. Yeah, they had some chunks, like Baltimore was at
six point four.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
It's not like they were totally, but Baltimore was able
to continue lead more of them.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Yeah, but they could because.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
They were able to get those first downs, right, you know,
some of the other ones they're not. You know, Houston
was at six point one yards per play. La was
at four point eight.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
I'm sure Buffalo had a big jem too. I mean
they won by a million.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Again, Philly won that game because they turned They turned
Green Bay over four times on the opening kickoff.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
That's just a killer that was. I thought there was
gonna be a blowout from that point.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
But the winning teams turned the ball over three times,
the losers turned it over nine, and all three of
the turnovers for the winning teams were by Houston. I
say Houston had a bunch early. Yeah, Okay, early None
of the other winning teams turned the ball over. So
when you talk about turnovers mattering.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
True year after year, decade after decade, right especially, I'll
say this all week. Everything gets magnified in the playoffs.
I mean, if you think it's a trend in the
regular season, multiply times one thousand in the playoffs because
everything's you can't get away with. He turned the ball
over a couple times against the Raiders. You know, the
Chiefs can do that. You know the can do that.
I mean, yeah, but you can't do that against the

(21:45):
Bills and Ravens and Texans, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
It's gonna get multi it's going to so.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
I mean the Steelers in Denver didn't turn the ball over,
right in those games. They just didn't have the football.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Didn't know football, and didn't produce first downs.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
And didn't produce enough first down right, yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
The opponent from doing the same, just plays.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Run, plays run. I think the Ravens in the first
half of that game were seven of eight on third downs.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, they were. They were miraculous because you have Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Yeah, and okay, it's third and two, Well, we need
two yards, lamar go get us two yards.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Or even just eagle push push or saw a lot
of tight ends taking snaps and getting that one yard,
you know, the things like that.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Just keep the chains moving. Make them play at least
three more plays. You know, that's another minute and a
half or whatever. It's your defense is standing on you
a long time in the middle of January.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
I am now the belief that playing defense, particularly in
the playoffs, is all about playing less.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
De However, you have to get there. You have to
play less defense. Yeah, I have to.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
So your offense has to be one that moves the change.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
And especially in the playoffs from a defensive standpoint, because
there's Mahomes and there's Allen and maybe Stroud's not at
that level, but all the quarterbacks are good. Like you're
not going to run into too many Rudolphs in the
play I mean, there aren't many that those guys. If
you're on the field, they're going to figure you out.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
And you know, even at that, like I mentioned and
I got my things, my play is confused. The Steelers
cut the score to twenty eight fourteen in late in
the third quarter, so they're in the game. It's twenty fourteen,
they get they're alive.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
They're alive.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
The Ravens come out and call they don't have Henry
on the field and call three consecutive passing plays even
know they're running, well, they're running the ball well now
Lamar scrambled for six yards on one of them, but
it was a pass play.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean there's always that trump card too,
and I'm thinking, what are they doing here?

Speaker 3 (23:50):
This is and so they end up punting and the
Steelers get the ball back at like the I think
it was around their own forty and I'm like, they
just made this a ball game by doing that.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
Yeah, it's almost like you have Shack and it's me
guarding Shack and he's just dunking on my head.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
And then you decide to check up.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Four threason right right, right right, like give it to
the big guy, right.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah, So that to me is, you know, Okay, the
Steelers found a way to get off the field, get
your offense back on the field.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Steelers.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
I think they give up a sack on on that
one on second down, yeah that you know, they got
a first down, then give up the second down sack
and put him you know too far and they had
to end up having to punt the ball back again.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yea, it's just.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
You have to the offense and defense have to work
hand in hand. I mean, really, it's a team game.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
It's eleven guys on the field and they have to
compliment one another, and you can't be super heavy one
way or the other. Not that either unit was great
for the Steelers, but you're right. I mean, I think
during this five game losing streak against playoff caliber teams,
you really see it. You know, like there were games
or the offense played pretty well in that game, or

(25:07):
defense played really well in that game, but it wasn't
a total team effort, and you end up losing time
possession over and over and over and again. That's it's
a symptom. You know, how do I fix my time
of possession? Well, your right guard blocks better, and your
nose tackles stouter, blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
But in the end, that needs fixed. I mean, to
beat the good teams, yeah, no, there's no doubt. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
And I just look at you know, the some of
the you know, especially in the AFC, the quarterbacks still
standing mahomes.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
That's a good yeah, so this is disheartening, but the
Steelers got eliminated by Lamar, by Allen, and by Mahomes
the last three years, and frankly, that's probably going to
keep up because they're unbelievably good.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
The only teams that have beaten those guys are each
other for the most part.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
And I'll throw Burrow in there too, because I think
he's the only quarterback on the planet that's as good
as those three. There's four elite quarterbacks. And I was
joking on a different show, it's almost like having Bo
Jackson and Techo Ball like the most It's such a
quarterback driven league. It's such an advantage over everyone you
play when you have a superhero at that position, and

(26:26):
defenses can't they get figured out? And they I mean,
these four are are historic type quarterbacks all at once,
all in the freaking AFC, two of them in the division.
You're gonna have to figure out a new way of
playing football to compete with those guys in the playoffs. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, they're they're remarkably good. And along those lines,

(26:48):
just in the AFC. With respect to Houston's win, I
bet it plays out like this that there's three big
dogs in the AFC. Two of them wipe the floor
with Denver and beat the Steelers pretty bad. Houston might
go on to change my mind. I just think they
played it. They just didn't play.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
They played a team that turned it over four times.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
If Houston would have played Baltimore or Buffalo, we'd be
talking about them too. I mean, they just happened to
not play one of the powerhouse.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Well, and we talked about the you know, the Steelers'
best path to victory was to play Houston in the
first of the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
And I would have picked them to win that game.
I mean, I might pick them a win if they
played today.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
I thought that they would give the Ravens more of
a game.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Obviously, of course, you know, right right right, we thought
that would be a close game. But I do think
when we look back at the history of the AFC.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
In the twenty twenty four season, we're gonna say there's
three powerhouses, and Kansas City's gonna mop the floor with Houston,
and fortunately for them, they're gonna have to play one
of them. Baltimore and Buffalo are gonna have to play
two of them to get to the super Bowl. And
that's the difference of seeding, and those three teams are
really really good led by elite quarterbacks, and elite's a
big work.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
I think they're really really good because of the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
To me too, I mean, I think if you took
any of those quarterbacks and put them with this Steelers roster, it.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
Might be I see in the league. Yeah, one hundred
percent believe that. And I like the Steelers roster. I
like the Steelers makeup, but I might rather be the
Bengals just because it's so hard to find that guy
I might give. I was talking to my my buddy
Peacock talking about the Niners. He's like, I might trade
I might not. He's gone on a rant with the Niners.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
He's like, I don't think I want to play play
or pay party. I want to trade Bosa all these
dudes and maybe get the next stud quarterback because that's
kind of like the only way to win it all
in this league. The problem is there's there's not that
stud quarterback in this draft this year. If you can't
be it's not that that's how I countered.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
I'm like, it's great to be bad the year Burrow
Herbert to Hurtz.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Love comes out, and maybe only one of them turns
out to be elite, but at least you have a crack.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
It's great to be the year river has been Eli
comes out, you know, be bad the right year. I mean,
it's not just tank tank tank tank tank. Now maybe
next year it's great. This year doesn't look like it,
you know, that's for sure. But or even to be
bad this last year, I like the chances of someone

(29:15):
out of Williams May, Jayden Daniels, you know, Panix, et cetera,
maybe be in the next one in that group, you know,
But so much of it's just lock, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Yeah, tanking just a tank, and well we're gonna tank
and go get a quarterback. We better have a pretty
damn good idea, ay of what who that quarterback is
going to be. And tanking it doesn't guarantee you of anything.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
It can be a disease, right, I mean, and ruin
the walls you know that you painted so pretty, you know.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
And it also becomes a situation, Okay, we won three games,
somebody else won two, yeah, or.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
We lost with the one. We can't control what every
what everybody else is doing. Too. There's some miserable teams
out there.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Look at how many times the number one overall pick
in the draft this year changed hands? What about four
times in the last month of the season. Yeah, yeah,
because there was a lot of bad out there.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
Right, I mean it looked like Carolina was on pace
to not win a game all year. Well then their
quarterback played okay, and they're not even close to having
the first pick, you know. Like the Saints are a
good example to me, Like they've maxed out their credit cards,
they've went to that a team like that, I would
quote Tank, you know, Cameron Jordan, Tyron Mathow, Davis Carr.

(30:35):
Thank you for your service, Kamara, But we just need
draft picks and maybe we'll even start Spencer Rattler next
year and end up with Arch Banning or whatever, you
know what I mean, maybe you know, but man.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
That's a dangerous slope too, you know. But there's no
guarantee again him, there's no That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
You could be the worst team in the league and
not the first your number.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
If you're number two, yeah, somebody else can still trade
ahead of you and take that quarterback, or the team
that's there take the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
You're guaranteed a nothing, nothing. It's a brutal world.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
Now there are some examples. You know, Alan and Mahomes
weren't the first.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Pick in the draft, or was Jackson? Right right?

Speaker 4 (31:10):
You know, So it doesn't mean it bothers me a
little bit. Steelers are stuck in purgatory. There's no chance
to ever get their next guy.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
I'm like, well, Lamar went thirty first. The Chiefs moved
up six spots to get my home six. They went
up from twenty seven, but twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
I was thinking they were like the Bills. I think
the Bills was more like a They moved up for
Allan too. Yeah, I know, Case was a playoff team.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
They weren't a powerhouse, but they were a playoff team.
There's one you love. It doesn't look like this draft's
that one to do it. I mean, but this is
a conversation probably from a year from now. You know,
the only one other avenues to get that guy.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
The only guy who intrigues me in this draft, and
this is we're well, plenty of time to talk about this,
But the only guy who intrigues me about what he
might be in this draft is Jaylen Milroll.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Because he could be that, because he could be he.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Could be that next guy in that Lamar Jaden Daniels
type guy. Yeah, which is what But again, that's what
That's what Indianapolis was trying to get when they went
out and trade it up to get Richardson.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
And he hasn't been that.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
No, there's no guarantee, no guarantee, but I definitely think
and it won't be this year probably, well maybe it
is Milroe.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Who knows that.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
You and I I think the duration we do there
or at least the next couple of years talking drafts,
Steelers or not. And I felt this way for a
couple of years. I'm Dave Kingman at the plate. I mean,
I don't I don't need a single. I don't need
a double. I am swinging as hard as I can.
And if I strike out six times in a row
on the Richardson's of the world that don't make it,

(32:44):
and I get.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
One Allen, I win.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
That's why I'm never gonna kill the Steelers for taking
Kenny Pickett at twenty at twenty at twenty, you didn't
trade up to go get him. You didn't, you didn't
make a move, You didn't mortgage your future to go
to use a picked to take a quarterback in the
first round, and you got out of it new year,
and you got out of it quickly enough that Okay,
we're gonna pivot and go.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
So you didn't.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
You didn't try to four years down the line, we're
gonna keep trying to make this work. No, right, Right,
that's going to be the situation Indianapolis finds itself in.
For example, just using them as example, like are they
going to run it back again with Richardson next year?

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Probably one more year. He completed forty seven percent of
his passes this year, right, but he actually regressed. But
that was Josh Allen his rookie year.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
I understand, you know what I mean. Alan didn't regress.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
No, that's the thing, right, I guess that was year
two for Richardson. But Allen was a bad player in
his rookie year.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
He was he was not the guy that he is now.
But they put pieces around him. Right, That's the other
thing that you have to have in place, is pieces.
But I like your Milrow thought like if he has
a high metachlorane count, yes he could be a Jedi.
You know, he's good and maybe it doesn't work, but
he's got you know, he has the trait passes the

(33:56):
eye test of the traits that you're looking for.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Right, that he could be a special player that's almost
impossible to defend. There's a couple of them walking the
planet right now, unfortunately too of them on the division.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Right, And you know, can justin Fields be that? I
thought so when he came out in the draft. Yeah,
I thought he might be that kind of player. I
loved him, loved him. He hasn't proven to be but
he hasn't proven to be that in terms of books.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
But it's there's some schafters written.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, now maybe you have a better idea that. Okay,
you know he's he's sat and he's learned behind. Say
what you want about Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson's a pro, right,
he he handled him.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
That's why I wanted to make the change and I
condone that, right.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
And he's been that guy who can be to steal
from your analogy there, he can be your obi wan
kenobi yah to adjustin Field's you know, young paddle.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Maybe he can't be Vader, yeah, but he could be
a real solid Jedi for you. Yeah, right, all.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Right, So that's gonna be the question that the Steelers
have to ask themselves this offseason is Okay, do we
try to run this back with both guys? Do we
try to just pick? We have to pick one or
the other, you know, and then which which one is it?

Speaker 2 (35:14):
And again, I don't love going fishing in this quarter.
I'm not fit.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
I'm not I'm not throwing them both back and trying
over again. I'm not doing that.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
You mean, go fish on both of them. I'm not. Yeah,
I'm not going.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Okay, We're just gonna try somebody else, Like we're gonna
what trade for Derek Carr? Yeah, that doesn't That doesn't
appeal to me at all. I mean, I'm Jameis Winston.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
No, you can get Kirk Cousins for the Russell Wilson deal,
but that doesn't excite me at all, not at all.
Right now, the only one that I have a little
bit of interest in is if you said the Vikings
will give you McCarthy for your first round pick.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
See, I don't know that he has special he doesn't. Yeah,
he doesn't do that for me. He's at least his books.
He might be Mac. He might be Mac Jones.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
I didn't love him coming out. Yeah, problem, he might
be mac Jones. He was a good player with a
lot of talent around him.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Now, maybe if you told me, and this is an
April conversation because I don't know enough now, but if
you said you get Fields for thirteen million and mill
Row in the first round, well those are two legit
bites of the apple that one of them might be special.
But we might be talking about Milroe by then, as
like the first pick in the draft.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
I mean, you just don't know, right, I.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Mean, now, yeah, he's an interesting player now, but we
might be laughing that he laughed.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
All of a sudden.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
He's available at ten, as Mahomes was.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Right.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Now, we can talk, but you don't know how that's
going to work. So you better have a plan in
place going into the draft. That can't be your only
right avenue to get a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
You just can first or second. You know, you don't
have that power.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yeah, so you're going to have to The Steelers are
going to have to make a decision about how they
want to proceed moving forward.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Before the draft.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Oh well before the draft that happens in March, you know,
the Marching March is free agency.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Yeah, yeah, it's happening now, and it's obviously a critical component.
But something that's going to be fun is you laid
it out well in texta to I mean, we'll talk
about it for months now. They have a lot of
cap space, they have a lot of options.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
But easily create more.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
You can easily create more. I mean there's a lot
of stuff they can do now. We can fight all
day long. Can you still go into Kansas City in
the AFC Championship Game next year the year after with
Wilson or whomever in a really good roster around him
and even get that far.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
I mean, I don't know if you can ever beat Superman.
I mean the league is really structured that way right now.
Brady was that guy for a long time with different superpowers,
but those guys rule the world. I mean, it had
to be like going against Jordan.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
No fun, Yeah, no fun at all. Let's get through
another break. He is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly.
You're listening to the Drive. You're on the Steelers audio network, Matt,
and I'll be back with more right after this.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the
Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
And we are back on Dale Lolly.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
He is the Matt Williamson and Matt they were mulling
over some quarterback stuff there in the previous segment, and
I went back and looked because a lot of people
like to have revisionist history on stuff, and so other
Steelers should have done something to do better than you know,
bend the last couple of years. Now, I will say

(38:39):
in twenty eighteen, leading up to the draft, yeah, I
mocked Lamar Jackson to the Steelers and got crushed for it.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
No, you're crushed for it.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
I'm an idiot. He'll never be a good quarterback. He's
says he's that, he's.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
A running back, he's a receiver. Yeah, blah blah. And
they visited with Lamar. From I understand, they did right.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
They liked him, they visited with him. You know they
didn't take him. Yeah, and now, wow, why didn't they
take Lamar? Well, when I'm again, when I brought that
up in that season a week before the draft, my
next to last mock draft, I got crushed for it.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Sure, crushed. So and I get at that point.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
You had Roethlisberger coming off of one of his best seasons,
he hadn't had any elbow issues, didn't know that he
was thirty five years old, right right, he was thirty
You're trying to win, right, So I get it in
that regard, it didn't make a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
I saw both sides of the argument.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
Yeah, there's no question, and it's easy to say in
twenty twenty five, you should have done that.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
You know, we also saw how Roethlisberger kind of treated
Mason Rudolph, who they did take, was not super kind
to him because he saw him as a threat. Would
he have treated Lamar Jackson in the first round the
same way?

Speaker 2 (39:50):
So freaking loosely, right right? Absolutely?

Speaker 4 (39:52):
And I'm sure you've gotten so many comments in the
last forty eight hours or whatever, but I've gotten things
like how could the Steelers not in Baker Mayfield. I'm like, well,
he wasn't that player. Then he's gotten better, you know
what I mean. Like, So, these are some of the guys.
These are some of the free agents who were available
this year. Over the last few years.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Oh, okay, twenty twenty two, the best guy available was
Derek Carr. Twenty twenty three, Gino Smith was available, was
good sort of, but he resigned with the Seahawks for
three years and one hundred and five million. Where you've
got to pay Gino Smith one hundred and five million
dollars over three years or one hundred and ten because
maybe he likes it in Seattle, right, I say you

(40:33):
have to outbid them. I mean, if you remember the
player at that time, he was not you know, I
mean he's a borderline Pro Bowl fifth seventh best player
in the NFC, you know, good that position. Jimmy Garoppolo
in twenty twenty three got sixty seven and a half
million dollars over three years to leave the San Francisco

(40:55):
forty nine ers for the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah, Jimmy Garoppolo was in his base, out of the league.
I know he's in the league, but barely. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Then you had Sam Donald and Baker Mayfield who were
both available, but both were coming off of miserable nothing
right it, had done nothing in their career.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah, that's like signing Daniel Jones this year.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Yeah, that would be the same the same thing, and
somebody's probably gonna do that. Looking at this one and
he might hit. Well, it work for Sam Donald and
Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
I think that's a path a lot of teams are
going to take because there's not a lot of other options.
Where can I get the next Baker and Donald? Yeah,
and I don't know you can. I mean, it doesn't
like it's not like this happens every year.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
We've seen this.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
You know, you could say the same thing about Well,
Gino Smith, he reclaimed his career. He was Okay, that's
three guys out of one hundred quarterbacks who've been drafted
over the last ten years.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
And frankly, if the Steelers would have walked into Baltimore
with Donald, Gino or Baker yesterday or Saturday, it might
have been the same result. Yeah, it doesn't ensure that
you're going to beat the superheroes.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Right, this year, your choices were cousins. He got a lot.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
He got way overpaid Mayfield, if you remember, re signed
with Tampa before he hit free agency. He got one
hundred million dollars over three years.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Yeah, which is a great deal for them. I mean
that that's a win for the box.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
So then your pivot in that situation for the Steelers
was what they did.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Yeah, they got and the prices they paid were ridiculously great. Yeah,
there's an asterisk in a good way for the Steelers.
I mean because the quarterback room costs nothing, right, you know,
I mean that's part of the equation.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
But don't just tell me that, oh, they should have
they should have had done this, or they should have
done that.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
You gotta give me names.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Give me somebody who was legitimately on the market where
they could have legitimately drafted in those years.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
There's not much. There's not much.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
The Kenny Pickett draft was the Kenny Pickett draft. Yeah,
he was the best quarterback in the draft. And don't
give me Brock Purty. Brock Purty was the last flipping
guy drafted that year for a reason, right, the forty
nine Ers didn't know that that was going to be
the case, or they A wouldn't have traded up for
Trey Lance and b would have taken him well before that.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
And he's a systems quarterback.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
And I'm not sure you're scoring any more points or
of anything you can result with b Rock Party.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
And no Rock Party goes into Baltimore yesterday or Saturday
with the Steelers roster and gets his head handed to him.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
Oh yeah, no question. There aren't many answers. I mean,
there just aren't. Now a conversation that is much more
geared towards the off season. I know it's the off
season today, but it's reaction Monday. So how do you
best compete without one of them?

Speaker 3 (43:38):
We're going to talk about that in the second hour. Yeah, okay,
but that's what you have to figure out this offseason
because what you're doing isn't working. You've lost to those
three quarterbacks the last three times you've been in the playoffs,
all on their field, different right, all in their stadiums,
And that's a part of it. You've got to win
enough game so that you don't have to go to

(43:58):
those places. At some point, you're gonna have to unless
you're your ultimate goal. Yeah yeah, unless unless you somehow,
you know, get the number one overall seed. At some
points you're gonna have to beat one of those guys
in the postseason. And so how do you best do that?

Speaker 4 (44:13):
And I remember, even like Tannehill, Vrabel, Arthur Smith got
the number one seed with Derrick Henry and they played
their style and didn't bear that much root in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
You know, they won a game.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
Good team, they had number one seed and handed to
Henry and they had a good defense. And still Mahomes
is lumin out there. Yeah, Jackie Ripperds still a looming
around the corner, you know.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
So there are ways I think that you can do
this and give yourself a better chance, give yourself a chance.
We'll talk about that now. Our number two, he is
the Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly. You're listening to
the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and
now will be back with our number two right after
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On Purpose with Jay Shetty

On Purpose with Jay Shetty

I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!

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