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December 30, 2024 • 46 mins
Matt and Dale discuss a handful of subjects in the first hour as the Steelers look to end their losing streak this Saturday when they host the Bengals. Rob King joins the program for his weekly chat

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
At least he's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williams on your twenty four to seven Home of the
Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
And the Champ is in the house. I'll say, you're
gonna get out of your system now. Or Champ is
in the house. The Champ is in the house one
more time.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
The chance is the key or one point. I should
have the other another finger, but lost by one point
zero points. But but you lost. That's the way it goes.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
You're lost. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly
Champion of the or FBL and uh for I believe
that's the sixth time that I've won that championship.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yeah, that competitions were off, they're pretty bad. You should
win it every we are now that I'm going to
do at least that we should go to the super
Bowl against.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Those seven in the last eleven years.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
I hope they'll listen.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Probably are anyways, but Champ is here.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Oh that'd be better fantasy if they were listening.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
That's true. Anyways, So it is you are the champ.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Nice nicely done. Monday here and crazy went down to
the absolute wire. Though I thought I was totally out
of it and night Jade and Daniels and actually when
he threw the last winning touchdown, that assured me losing
because he couldn't get the ball again, you know, like
he came back and had a huge game, stormed back
and then to get one point short was a great

(01:29):
play by him, you know. So that's where we that's
where we left off. Would have been nice Aaron Jones
or Devana Chan played in the second half, either one
of them. But hey, you know that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Say Barkley barely played the fourth quarter and.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
He only had like one hundred and eighty rushing yards,
and you're complaining could have had more.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
For Kenny Kenny Pickens push pushes like, you know, he
could have a monster game and gain Anyway, we digress.
So we now know the Steelers will play. Yeah, the
schedules out huh Saturday night. Yeah, And it's not wonderful,
not super excited about that, right, everything that happened this week,

(02:10):
And Matt, I want I wanted to start with this,
and I pointed this.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Out to you.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Over the course of the week last week, the NFL
starting Monday, that patch Monday, this last Monday week, a
week from yesterday, two days before a week from Yeah,
yeah today, I should say had one two, had like
six standalone games between then and Saturday.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Well, they've played like every day of the week. Yeah,
which I've noticed a trend that my wife has got
less nice to me every day as I glued to
the TV. And I might even watch this Lions Niners
game that meets nothing tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
These were some of the scores. Six to three, thirty
one to two, forty to seven. You had twenty nine
to ten, which was a Steeler game. The Monday night
game last week was a bad one. Who don't that
was a shutout? That was that was shut yea. These

(03:12):
standalone games are just like I mean, I get it's
it's the only game people can watch that Thursdays Thursday
night six to three game was unwatchable. Yeah, the thirty
one to two Baltimore Houston game was bad. It was
when the Steelers in those standalone games with their ten

(03:35):
points outscored more than half the teams that.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Played more than all the losers and some of the winners.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
In the standalone games. Maybe we're not doing the right
thing here by playing all these games Christmas week like that.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
I think it's kind of terrible to be honest with you.
I mean, I could go on a long rand about
I will. I mean, let's talk about it. I mean, like,
first off, we opened with fantasy and it really didn't
hurt me in our game, but it's killing people in fantasy,
for example, And I know the NFL doesn't care about that,
but I'm just saying, like the fact that that's the
super Bowl in such an abnormal week, when the Lions

(04:16):
could sit everyone to night, but you started Saint Brown
and it's worth all the marbles. Like, to me, that's
just dumb. But fantasy always has some weird stuff, but
the end of the season, NFL as a whole is
a mess.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I mean, it was such a weird week from that perspective,
and I'm gonna go back to the fan and next
week's gonna be weird too, because you had to lock
starters in or you couldn't you know what I mean.
You couldn't make bench changes because their games had already
been played, right, and then if you had an injury,
you couldn't.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
It just it was example, like you had Saint Brown,
like you're saving all your Lions for tonight, and I know,
campbell'sn't gonna do this because he's a lunatic, but he
could sit everybody, you know, And all of a sudden,
you're like, I get nothing from any of them, even
though I had the best team, you know, like stupid
small example. My other league. All that matters is cumultive points.
I'm out of it. But I had three quarterbacks. I

(05:02):
had Richardson, Tua and May and kickoff starts in New
England is the first game on Saturday. I didn't start May.
I thought Tua or Richardson would likely play. Five minutes
into the Patriot game, it comes across my phone, Richardson's out.
Two is out. You know, it's like people had to do.
You have all kinds of horror stories. But okay, back

(05:25):
to just the league as a whole. It's just such
a money grab. I mean, it's too much. And I
couldn't be more into the NFL or love my job anymore.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
That makes it. I watched every watched every step, yeah, right,
of all of them, and it is beating it.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
It's a drain. It's too much. It means a lot
of football. It's a lot of football. I mean again,
I mean the wife's like really, you know, and one
of them's Christmas and it happens at the Steelers were
three and eleven days as well, and they were Christmas,
so it's even more. But it's been bonkers and last

(06:02):
little rant, which I know times have changed dramatically. But
my uncle Ken is probably the biggest reason I'm into football.
He's around ten years older than me, went to Steeler
super Bowls in the seventies, huge Steeler fans, as all
my family are. When I grew up the right way,
and he no longer really cares about football. He's older,

(06:22):
you know, but one of his big things is like
he'll ask me like how the Steelers doing this year,
or he'll put it on, but he's not into it,
into it. But a big thing that he said that
he said a lot of people he talks to his age,
are it used to be you played it one on
Sunday or four on Sunday and then Monday night was awesome.
You know. That was like a Super Bowl environment. And
he's like, when it started going to Sunday night Thursday night,

(06:45):
it's got kind of flooded, you know, like it became
no different than other sports. It's like I'll put the
Penns game on or the Pirate game on, and I
can kind of get the feeling this week the first
time where it's like this is a lot, this is
and it's beating me up and I'm having a heart.
I'm enjoying it as much, you know.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, yeah, I understand. Yeah, it's not going away though.
So here's what we got.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
I think it's going to get like this all the time.
I don't know about all. I don't know, but I
have Tuesday Wednesday game.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
But so we got the Kansas City Chiefs locking up
the number one overall seed in the FC. We knew
that the Bills have now clinched the number two seed
with their win yesterday.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
We assume neither one will play anybody next week. I
assume not. Yeah, I think you don't even.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Care about all that. Yeah, that's the teams are gonna
do what they're gonna do. The Ravens are currently the
three seed, but if they lose on Sunday or Saturday, uh,
and then the Steelers wins Saturday Saturday night, the Steelers
move into the three spot. If Baltimore wins and the

(07:50):
Steelers win, the Steelers stay in the five spot. Because
they're a game behind. The Houston Texans are locked in
as the four seed right now at nine and seven.
Any other Steelers in the five seat. The only team
that can pass the Steelers now in the five sheet
is the Chargers. The Steelers would need to lose or tie,

(08:11):
and the Chargers would need to win their game out.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Right, okay, and they play Sunday.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
They play Sunday.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah, yeah, there's no Thursday night. There's no Monday night
the last week, folks.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Then you have the Denver Broncos, the Miami Dolphins, and
Cincinnati Bengals all still alive because the Indianapolis Colt somebody
forgot to tell them that they needed to win that
game on hid hideous.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
I mean, there were some really hideous performances yesterday, but
none worse by a team that was still in it.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Making The Jets were awful, but making Drew Locke look
like he's.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Oh yeah, give up a kickoff return for a touchdown?
I mean, yeah, awful. By the way, in our game, yeah,
big zero took a zero, Big zero. The defense that
you picked up could have at least got a sack
and we could have been a time.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah. So for that to happen Denver. If Denver wins
on Sunday against the chief who are probably not playing anybody,
Denver's in. They just winning in, but they're locked into
the seventh spot. They can't pass Pittsburgh or the Chargers
because they lost to both of them.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
So if the Bengals beat the Steelers, they're going to
be really Denver scoreboard watching.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yes, yeah, yeah, they'll also be watching Miami, which plays
the Jets. Miami would finish ahead of my If Miami
and Denver finish it both at nine and eight, Miami.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Goes oh really, Okay, I didn't know that. Okay.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
The only way Cincinnati gets in is if so is
Miami winning in. No, they need Denver to lose. Oh right, right, right, okay, yeah,
I think yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Denver's ahead of them.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Now, then you've got Cincinnati sitting there at eight and eight.
The only way they get in is if they tie Denver.
Because they just beat Denver, they lose the tiebreaker to Miami,
so they would need to win, have the Broncos lose
to the Ghost of the Chiefs, and have Miami lose
to New York, which the Jets looked like.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
They looked really terrible.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
They mailed it in yesterday.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
They were one of the more pathetic performances out there.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Everybody else in the AFC is eliminated.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Gotcha, but that makes sense, including a Colt to deserve
to be after that.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
But the farthest that the Steelers can fall is the
sixth seed.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
So they're five six or three?

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah. However, now we don't know this, but the Ravens
are like sixteen point favorites or something against the Browns as.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Eighteen and a half. Now, I'll say this, the Browns
defense wasn't horrible, has played really well against Lamar, and.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
They weren't even bad in this game. No that the
offense is junk futre.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
I don't know if they could start DTR again.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
I was about to say the exactly.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
I think you found out what you needed to know.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, I mean it's not good. Winston's healthy, right, I
mean I think he was the emergency guy though. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Anyway, so that they did. Because the Ravens winning is
they're gonna win. Yeah, yeah, they're gonna win. So the
Steelers are looking at the five sheet if they win. Somehow,
this game opened was Cincinnati favored by two and a half.
And I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Well, I assume it's Steelers on a three game losing
streak and Bengals on a four game winning streak.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Here's the thing. These two teams played what December first,
less than a month ago.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
That was the last game that the Bengals lost.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, yeah, and also the last game the Steelers won.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah, that's true. Yeah. One's on a four game losing
streak and a three game yeah. Okay.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
In that game, if you recall, the Steelers led twenty
seven to twenty one at a half, and the only
reason that the Bengals had twenty one was because they
gifted pick six. Yeah yeah, that there was a There
was a flag, should have been a flag on it.
They were up seventeen points in the fourth quarter. This
game is in Sinci too, in Cincinnati. Even with it

(12:09):
would have been twenty four points. If the pick six
is taken off the board, which it should have, should
not have counted, they'd have been up twenty four points
in the fourth quarter. They dominated the Bengals in that game,
No doubt. The Bengals got some mo by the way
back door stuff. The Steelers at five hundred and twenty
yards of offense in that game. They did whatever they
wanted to on offense the entire game. So I don't

(12:32):
care how good the Bengals offense is playing right now.
The Bengals had to score twenty one points or when
they get in the fourth court, they had they scored
seventeen points in the second half to make it forty
four to thirty eight. They scored the last fourteen points
of the game, or actually no they didn't. They scored
fourteen in the last seventeen in the game to even
make it a game. Like, I don't understand how that

(12:55):
gets them favored in Pittsburgh. I understand Burrow's playing great,
He's playing great.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
This is at the very least this should have been
a pick them game. I think the wrong team is favored.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
I don't disagree. I mean, I understand why. I mean,
I just think momentum in the betting world is huge
in terms of what betters are going to bet. I mean,
Vegas isn't predicting who's going to win. They're trying to
get fifty percent of bet on one side, and fifty Here's.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
The thing, too, So they're going to look at this
to say, well, yeah, but they lost to the you know,
they lost to the Ravens, they lost to the Steelers,
lost to the Eagles, and they lost to the Chiefs.
Guess who also lost all those teams Cincinnati. Yeah, yeah, yeah, No,
I think it's just a momentum thing. The only difference
was the Steelers played them all three in a row
as opposed to playing them early in the season late

(13:41):
in the season.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
You know, it's funny. I was just on the air
with Tim Benz, just filling in for Mark Madden, and
he said, how much different would the perception of the
Steelers be? He called it a snow globe if we
just shook up all their wins and losses and wherever
they land as opposed to boom boom boom boom boom,
you know. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's a good
way looking at it. Like, if you just came off
of Raiders win and we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
The wins over the Chargers and Broncos that you had
earlier season. Let's say those were two of these three
games that you played. Yeah, Steele has just beat two
playoff teams.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
But I counted it by saying, losing to those through
three teams in a row in only at eleven day
period doesn't look as bad to me as the same
ones with seven days rest, et cetera, et cetera. It's
just with the taste in your mouth at the moment.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
And like we do with power ranks, I mean, these
teams aren't the same. Doesn't mean you beat Denver or
San Diego or La now I haven't done that in
three years or whatever. It doesn't mean you'd lose as
bad to those three if you played them again, you know.
I mean it's where you're at.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
You know, I understand it.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
I mean, you know, everybody has a bad taste in
their mouth after they lose three in a row. But
you lost three in a row to the best teams
in the league. Is anybody discounting green Bay? Is green
Bay a good team or not? Because they haven't beaten
any of the good teams on their on their schedule.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Where people don't know green Bay has five losses, two
versus Ikes, two versus the Lions, and one versus Eagles.
I mean that's the best teams that.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
The three best teams that they played. They lost to
them all and twice to them twice in the division,
went over the Seahawks. Yeah, who the five hardest games
you have? Well that's their five losses, So how good
are you? And one of them was just last night, you.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Know, yesterday. It's crazy. The other thing about the spread, though,
I think the Steelers rest advantage is huge.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
I think it's massive.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
I think it's huge. And I also love that they
pick up a day going into the playoffs. You know,
the Ravens. Who the Ravens playing, It doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
They haven't likely get another rest advantage over the Browns.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
I'm sorry. The Ravens have yet another rest advantage, which
we knew coming in, right, you knew that was actually
one day less, but now they get a rest advantage
to going into the playoffs. Is if they haven't enough
all year, but it's likely them and the Steelers are
the only ones that have eight days rest. Well, they
could put them on Saturday, they could play Saturday. Yeah yeah, yeah,
but at least they're seven or more.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
In fact, I would suggest that I bet they will.
If the Steelers do play on Saturday against Houston, or
do play Houston, it probably will be a Saturday.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Probably probably, I guess that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
In which case you would get the rest advantage. Yes,
Houston doesn't play until Sunday, but they're resting everything. They're
not they're not playing anybody. Well no, he said, he
came out today and said they were because they want
to get the bad taste out of their mind.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Yea, because they're playing terrible right now. Yeah. I didn't
realize they were playing anyone, but maybe be thirty one
to two. Yeah, horrible, thirty one to two. So if
unless you play the Ravens, you're going to have a
rest advantage in round one. Yeah, you know, right. So
that's where it stands right now. We'll see how this
all goes, how it shakes out. Will the Steelers win,
will the Steelers loose?

Speaker 2 (16:46):
I haven't decided yet, but Mike Tomlin did say today
should get Joey Porter back.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
That's great, that's huge.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
And Ben'scronic should be back, which what doesn't sound like
a lot is actually pretty huge.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
I think it's quite huge. I mean, I think he's
a tremendous gunner slash special teams player.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
He might be the best special teams player on the team,
and they've got a lot of good special teams, a
Pro Bowl type.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah right, I mean he's one of the core great ones.
I'm also warming up. I think he's our third best receiver.
I mean, I think Pickens and Austin are the two
that should be out there and two receiver sets. Next
guy I tried out there, I think is Goronic.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
I can't argue that. Yeah, I've been a Scoronic fan
since his days with the Rams when he's you know,
stepping in and replaced Cooper Cup and looked a lot
like Cooper Cup.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah. Like, I think he's better than like the Boykins
of the world that were special teamers that played some
wide out. He's a good receiver.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
So anyways, let's let's let's get to a break here.
We got to talk to Rob King after this. The
voice of the Steelers will do that when we return.
He is Matt Williamson. I am the champ Dale Lollie,
and this is the drive on the Steelers Audio Network.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolli and Matt Williams on
your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and
Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
And we are back. I am Dale Lolly. He is
the Matt Williamson and we're joined on the Justin Miller
hot Line by the voice of the Pittsburgh Steelers, Rob
King and Kingram. Before we started, I know you're a
published author, doorn Stone.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Yeah, of course I am, Yes, yes I am.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Did you know? I am the champion of the Fantasy
League in which Matt and I both participate in. I
beat Matt in yesterday's championship game by one point, by
one point, I I one point one point.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
You probably saw it scrolling across the bottom at Sports Center.
I mean it was on NFL.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
That was on the NFL network this morning.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Yeah, that story is hard to believe. That would be
you'd have to I don't know that's truth.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
The strangers in fiction right there. Not that you would win,
but you'd win.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
By one point one point zero points. They gave me
the sweep on Williamson this year. I beat him both
times that we played. I beat him last year. He's
never beaten me.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
I believe you no clue if that's true or not,
but we'll go with it.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
It's never beaten me.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
Who who's the deciding player for you?

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (19:13):
For me, it was t Higgins.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
That was the guy blew up for him. He just
went crazy, just went crazy. And then of course the
steve to the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
The Steelers are going to have to deal with, said
T Higgins in this game. And interestingly enough, Robbie, he
said he came out after the game last week. Of
course Cincinnati played at home. He said, well, this was
my my final game, and you know, in front of
the Bengals fans, I made it a good one. Do
you think that is his final game in front of

(19:41):
the Bengals fans?

Speaker 4 (19:43):
Works for me.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
That wouldn't mind seeing him out.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
Yeah, he can.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
He can come a little uh little east to be.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Once, take a boat up the Ohio River.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
Yeah, he's a he's a I mean, I thought, is
he the bat number two receiver.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
In the league? I mean, and I think the other thing,
you know.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
Whenever you have a guy like that, I suspect it
probably is his last game because there's only so many
guys you can pay. And I think the big decision
you'd have to make as another team is is he
a legitimate number one? Because I think someone's gonna pay
him like a number one. So is he a number one?

(20:25):
Is he a strong number two?

Speaker 2 (20:27):
He's a legit number one.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
I think I think he's having his best year.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
He's a legit number one.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
I know he's had some injuries. I think this is
the best he's played in his entire career. Which you're
saying something that he's really good.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, you know he jit number one. Then he's gonna
get paid like a legit number one. And I don't
know how a team can pay two guys like that
and Joe Burrow, I don't know their salary cap situation.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
But I mean, this is a different conversation. But you
look at like the Eagles, they pull it off. I mean,
you can do it, but the problem is the Eagles
don't need eight new starters on defense. Right, that's the
big Right. If you drafted better and Miles Murphy was
a star, then you could do it, but you got
too many other holes.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Put it this way about for t Higgins. T Higgins
rookie year twenty twenty, before Jamar Chase got there, he
had sixty seven catches on nine sixty seven catches, nine
hundred and eight yards and six touchdowns on one hundred
and eight targets. I think you would be just fine.
And that was again his rookie year, is.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Still not as good a head. Yeah, grown into his
pause quite yet.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
I think he would be a legit number one on
most teams.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
He looks like a Patriot or Charger to me. Interesting,
they both have the most interesting they have like the
most caps face in the league, both those teams.

Speaker 5 (21:40):
Right and the Chargers.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
You know there's a team that, Wow.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Put him next to mccaffee. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, no.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Right exactly, And they're the like you said, they're a
good candidate because the defense is already strong.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
And you are. You know, you've got another.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
Good receiver who's on a rookie deal, and we'll be
on a rookie deal for you know, was mcconkey's second.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Or first second earlier, like the first pick of the
first pick of the second rounds.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
So then you get in your set, you know, three
more years, right, So yeah, it's yeah, probably that's it
for t Higgins.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
All that being said, Rob, the last time these two
teams faced off, and you know we're talking about December
first here, Jamar Chase had six catches for eighty six
yards and a touchdown on nine targets. T Higgins had
five for sixty nine and a touchdown on ten targets.
So he gave up eleven catches on nineteen targets to

(22:34):
those two guys. As the Steelers defense, I think I'd
take that. I'd run it back and be very thrilled
to that. Yep, the key was in that neither one
of them broke a hundred yards like there wasn't and
that was with Chase had a forty nine yard catch
and run. If you remember that game, late and late
in the game, they did a nice job on those two,
on those two studs in that first meeting, and it

(22:56):
led to a a I know that the final score
wasn't decisive, of but it was a pretty decisive Steelers win.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
They had held the Bengals to what thirty eight points.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Well, thirty one legitimate points, let's put it that way.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
The pick six was a little suspect.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
Right right. They have a number of weapons, you know
they're and Joe Burrow is playing so well right now,
I mean just so well. He's he his his game
is as varied as his pregame outfits. My wife should
my wife should be a picture of his latest one.

(23:34):
I'm usually the last to see those kind of things
about wow, Cay.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Why do you think, why do you think the wives
care so much about what Joe Burrow wears?

Speaker 4 (23:42):
I think I think my wife just scrolled and found it.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Ah, Okay, I don't think.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
She googled Joe Burrow outfit.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
You know, so as far as you know, you'll be
getting frosted tips soon before you know.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
I was sitting right next to her. Yes, yes, maybe
she was. Okay, I want to stop right there so
I I will say this. I mean, he's a terrific player.
This is a really dangerous team to me. You know,
this is one of the best teams in the AFC,
and they're not going to the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (24:17):
I don't think they're gonna go.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
To the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
So, I mean, so much still has to go right
for them to go to the playoffs. I think they're
you know, and again maybe they may have to. You know,
look at why do they get off to such bad
starts to begin a season and what's going on there
that needs to change?

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Yeah, they make the same mistake every year. They don't
play anybody in the preseason. Then they lose Week one
and two and wonder why. I mean, it's crazy to.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Think you would think that would be re evaluated by
the team, but it hasn't been yet. Uh it's a
it's a really formidable team, a really good team of offensively.
I mean, I would have a hard time seeing them
running through the AFC playoffs by the same token, you know,
I wouldn't want to have to beat him once either

(25:00):
and have them be the team that I have to
get through to move on, because so many things can
go wrong.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
In a game against them.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
They don't need that much room to beat you. So
it's a really good test. And I also think that
because it's a good quality opponent, and because you've just
lost to three good quality opponents in a row and
the scoreboard says rather lopsidedly, this is a good one
to and there's a lot of reasons for that. And
I don't know whether we're to get into that or not,
but you know, you can, you know, I think you

(25:28):
can sort of recalibrate where you are by coming out
and having a good, strong showing on Saturday at home
against the.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Bends one hundred. And I haven't dug heavily into them,
not that you have to. We just saw him and
they haven't changed all that much. Burrows real good. They
have great receivers, defensive bad blah blah blah. But I
mean Chase Brown was before he got injured in this
past game, got every running back carry and that's kind
of almost been the norm. And it sure seems unlikely

(25:55):
that he plays. I mean, I wonder what effect that
has on in this game. They throw the ball.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Eighty percent of the time against the Steelers.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
I'm just curious. I'm just in a kind of spitball
on him.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Well, they only ran the ball the first time around
with the running backs thirteen times, and I.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Bet he got like all of them. He got twelve, twelve, thirteen. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's a big loss for them overall. But I
just wonder will they do not even bother run the ball.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
Well, he's a really good player, and I think the
other thing that they found out is that they were
playing the wrong running back at the beginning of the
year two. Yeah, and Zach Moss is fine, but Chase Brown's.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Their injury made his injury made them better.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Kind of Yeah, that's right. I mean, uh, and again,
was he maybe part of was he maybe a little
bit of the victim of the slow start as a
team because of their their their history is starting slow
and maybe not playing guys in it in the preseason.
I don't know, but I do know this that you know,
I think Khalil Herbert's a decent, pretty decent backup.

Speaker 5 (26:53):
You know.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
You know, not a lot of teams I think have
a guy who's third in their depth chart, who of
course they went out and traded for him after the injury.
But you know a guy that's had, you know, some
pedigree of having good success and he only has to
be good once. You know, he only has to be good.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
For one game.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
He runs hard as a hard runner. He's more like
Zach Moss I think than he is like in that
regard than he is like Chase Brown. I think Brown
doesn't run hard, but Brown's got the speed and the
and the quickness and that sort of thing. I think
he's more of a he's more of a bull and
a China type of runner.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
But he's a solid player.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
Uh. They've got good depth. You know, they've got good
offensive depth now beyond Herbert. I mean, if you're getting
out of Travon Williams that you know, I don't know
what what the expectations would be there, but you know,
that loss is a big one. And again, you know,
sort of questionable clock management towards the end of that game.
Did Brown even need to have that carry you know

(27:49):
before when he got hurt?

Speaker 5 (27:53):
Yeah, there was some questionable to said.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
You know, the these teams that it is growing trend
of just passing up what seems like sure points. Now,
he thought that chip shot was a sure pointer to
sure win and he missed it. But then I'm the
opportunities earlier in the game and they decided to go
for it, and you know, uh, they're not the only ones,
you know, teams out there, and you know, all of

(28:14):
a sudden you find yourself down six. I mean, does
it ever go through these guys' heads. Jesus, i'd kicked
two field goals, we wouldn't actually be down by six
right now, regardless.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
I'm I'm getting further adrift here from from.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
The actual topic, which is Chase Brown. And I think
Herbert could do a nice job for him, but I
don't think he's the same weapon out of the backfield
and all that.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Sort of here's the one thing he doesn't do, rob
and this could be a real issue for the for
the Bengals. This weekend is he's not good in past protection.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
That's why that the Bears kind of soured on him
for that reason. Yeah, that's something.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
And if you if you look at that game the
last time around these two teams met, the Steelers sacked
Burrow four times, they forced him to fumble twice, recover
to both of them, and you know, they just they
just got after him. They also enter accepted him once.
You know, that's that's the key to it, to beating
Joe Burrow. You know, you look at the yards go boat.

(29:05):
Burrow threw for three h nine and three touchdowns, but
he turned the ball over three times in that game.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
And I don't feel you guys caught it. But in
the the Saturday game, Amarius Mims only lasted like fifteen
or twenty eight or two, and it looked like he
could be done done. And the guy that they put
in the right tackle, i'd never heard.

Speaker 5 (29:22):
Of, well in those things.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Now again, you know, Matt and I were talking on
another Showdale that you know what happens if in these
last three.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Games he cheating on me?

Speaker 4 (29:33):
Man, Yeah, I got a lot of lovers. Sorry, sorry, guys,
growing about the guy's crowing about beating you in the
fantasy league.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
I mean I think that, you know, start.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Looking at should have heard the smack talk coming out
of this guy last week when he he was favored
in the game by like ten points and I pulled
off the upset. According to them, the experts on is yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:00):
We're talking about it.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
I just figured out I'll coach him. You know that
did that seems like an obvious.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
That didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Uh So, Anyway, what we were talking about about Steelers
probably these.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
Last three games, and you think about, Okay, the pitch
to Naji, a chance to tie the game up, right,
we don't know what they would have tied the game.
We don't know what would have happened after that, but
a chance to get back in the game there in Baltimore.
It's a chance to take a lead. When when Russ
Wilson after two fumbles that don't go your way, when
he fumbles inside the.

Speaker 5 (30:32):
Five and they they pounce on it, you.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
Know, dubious call against Kansas City, right like, you tie
the game up, actually take the lead because Boswell kicks
the extra point and you're at fourteen thirteen at that point,
and all of these things that could have happened, should
have happened. But now let's take a look at this
from the Bengals perspective. Okay, wipe out each of the
defense defensive touchdowns. You know, Burrow has been taking care

(30:55):
of the football. You know, you're probably, you know, maybe
looking at this game and say, hey, listen, if he
isn't strip sacked twice, we win this game easily, right.
I mean, if I'm a Bengals fan, I might be
thinking that. So I think that, you know, uh, there's
some some danger in us presuming that Burrow is going
to be sacked four times in fumble twice.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
You know, I never assume that. I'm just saying.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
I know, I'm not saying you are. I'm just saying
from the other you know, how big were those were?

Speaker 5 (31:24):
Those in winning the game?

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Those are huge factors and you're winning the game. What
if those things don't happen, What if the pass rush
doesn't get going. This is a big game for the student.
I think it's a big offensively and defensively. I think
they need to get their mojo back. You know, three
weeks ago, going into the stretch of games, I did
not think they were going to go zero and three,
and I thought they were going to come out of
it and people are going to say, hang on a second.

(31:47):
Now what we thought the students might be building into
has been solidified. And this is a team that's going
to be very dangerous in the playoffs. That I think
they need to get that feeling back. And the way
you get that feeling back is by coming out not
having the three and ounce on offense, you know, maintaining
the ball. That's another way to beat Joe Burrow is
just don't let them have the ball, win the time

(32:09):
and possession, win it handily, and let the offense and
defense play off each other. Don't lose the turnover battle.
I think I'd like to see just, you know, some
good solid football out of the Steelers, And frankly, I
think it's kind of important that they do that.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
That show we recorded earlier, we did with Wolf. We
just kept coming back to time and possession, Time and possession.
You know, you got to get this defense off the field.
No more three and outs. That's their style. You know,
you can't just be lose, you know, have the defense
out there for thirty five minutes against Burrow and Mahomes
and you know, hursts and these guys, and you're gonna

(32:46):
lose it all the time, you.

Speaker 5 (32:47):
Know, right.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
I mean, if they have the ball twenty seven minutes,
that's probably ample for them to put up some points.
And so you know you have to you have to.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
Play keep away.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
I think you have to.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
Win that battle. And how do you win that battle.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
You're successful on first and second down, maybe you don't
get to as many third downs, or if you do,
you make them third and manageable.

Speaker 5 (33:06):
You know, every time you turned them all over. As
we've seen the last.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
Three games, turnovers are not creating turnovers has been a
big part of the reason you've lost the time of
possession battle. What you've done offensively to not help your
defense out. In Philadelphia, you start the game with five
straight three and outs. You know, not only are you
losing the time of possession battle, but you're wearing out
your defense. So there just needs to be some complimentary football.

(33:29):
The things that we saw leading up to that stretch,
the things that got you to ten and three, that's
what I think we need to see more of Saturday night.
I don't want to say regardless of the outcome, but
I almost feel that way, like you know, I think
a win would be important to this team, but I
think playing a good football game would be important to
this team too. And clearing up some of these things.

(33:52):
You know, guys wide open in the secondary, I mean
that just can't happen. You know, the three and outs
that can't happen either. So I think, you know, sort
of cleaning it and the turnover issues, cleaning some of
these things up as you get ready for the playoffs,
because I still think it's a team that can get
into the playoffs and and you know, not be coming
home after one game. I really, I really believe that,

(34:13):
I really believe that they can do some damage in
the playoffs. And but I but you need to start
regaining that feeling, you know. Yeah, you fee always talk
about must win games. Look, man, the only game it's
a must win game is the one that gets you
eliminated if you lose. But this feels like an important
game to get you ready, So there isn't one and done.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
Come playoff time.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Four game losing streak would not be a wonderful way
to enter into a road game in a playoffs, no
matter who you play.

Speaker 5 (34:38):
No, no, it wouldn't be.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
No, I agree, and you know. I think that's why
it sounds like you both are on the same page.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
I am.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I'm playing my guys in this game. I'm not resting anybody,
and I don't think Mike Toms.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
If you're the steeersh you mean, regardless of what happens
in the Baltimore wins, obviously, I.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Mean, the Chargers still matter, right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
The charge yet, right, so you can you know, if
you win that game, you know you're the You're no
worse than the five season. You're going on the road
to Houston and away you go, and that still might
that still might be a better path than having to
go through Buffalo.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
I don't know who knows. We're going to find out
when the playoffs start.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
The Chiefs are starting to look an awful lot like
the Chiefs over the last couple of weeks. So you look,
I just think that you want to play well, and
I agree with you, Dale. You want to play your starters.
You want to get him out there, you want to
get them with that good feeling.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
And listen, maybe if it doesn't mean that much, maybe.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
Playing for half in pull them at behalf is that good.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
Whatever decisions you make I think that you want to
go out there and try to win the game. I
really do, even if they play a great first half,
I'm going to dismiss what I just said. I think
even if you play a great first half, you want
to get out there and try to win the game
and go into the playoffs with that three game losing.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Streak snap and you have an opportunity to knock the
Bengals out of the playoffs. But I mean, it's it's
a division foe. It's it's a team that you're going
to have to continue to deal with down the road.
Even if t Higgins isn't there, You're still going to
be dealing with Burrow, You're still going to be dealing
with Chase. And you don't want to give up anything
to those teams. You don't want to have them saying,

(36:12):
oh we can. We went to Pittsburgh last year and one, No.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
There's definitely value to ruining their season, you know, being
the last on the coffin right.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
Absolutely, And you know what, you know what else would
be lovely to I.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Mean, look, every little bit counts, you know, So if
the Bengals looked at the.

Speaker 5 (36:26):
Bengals win this game.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
But don't get into the playoffs, what are they going
to be feeling about themselves? Same?

Speaker 5 (36:31):
And we won five in a row.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
We're close, we're gonna go into the offseason and we're
in good position. We're ready to go. Hey, how you
lose that game to the Steelers when you needed it
to get in I don't think you're having that good
feeling about your season. You know. Now it's a season
that you know you can you can talk away. You
know why you didn't make the playoffs, Well, we got
off to a slow start, we got a little bit
of bad luck.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
Blah blah blah blah blah. I mean, you know their
record in one score games? What are they three and
seven and.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
One score games now but two and oh in their
last two But at one time there were one in
Evan in one score games.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
I mean, you talk.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
It was just a Murphy's law laundry list of reasons
that they lost.

Speaker 5 (37:08):
And they can look.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
Back at that. I think if they get they end
this season in a five game winning street. Diggings back
and just say, man, we just had plain bad luck,
a couple changes and practices, and we are every bit
as good as everybody thought. You come to Pittsburgh and
lose on Saturday night. It's gonna be a little more
difficult to say.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
That if you're absolutely well.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Our guest has been Rob King, published author The Door
in the Stone.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Uh and uh there you makes.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
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Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yeah, birthdays, bar mitzvah's whatever.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
It is. Absolutely there you go.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Kinger will let you go and always appreciate your stopping by.
He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lollie. You're listening
to the Driver on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt, and
I'll be back with more right after this.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williams on
your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and
Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
And welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly.
He is the Matt Williamson. And this is, of course,
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Of course, you can hear the Drive every Monday through
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(38:31):
show directly onto your phone, and you can also watch
on our YouTube channel, which we appreciate and like that
as well. And Matt. One of the things that Rob said,
there is something I wanted to touch on from watching
eighty seven NFL game, Yeah, lost six days. We saw
a lot of teams in some moments do stuff that

(38:55):
they probably shouldn't do, those kind of outside the norm
in terms of going forward on four downs, you know,
passing up field goals to go for it on four thousand,
things of that nature. The Bengals being one of those teams. Yeah,
the Bengals went they attempted to go on fourth down
three times in their win over the Broncos.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Yeah, I made note of that too, and I was
watching and they.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Only made one of them, and that kept Denver in
that football game.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
And you wonder if it was Week four, would you
be doing that right elimination.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Game Bengals, which I get right, right right, But why
would you coach that any differently than than what you
normally do when you again, when you've been winning, you know,
some of the.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Best way to win the game, same in Week four
or an elimination game.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
I know.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, whatever that is I put it out there yesterday
when I'm watching green Bay Minnesota. Green Bay is down
seven to three. They've got a fourth and two from
about their own from the Minnesota. It's inside the twenty
five fourth and two. You're down seven to three early
in the second quarter, and they went for and didn't

(40:00):
get it and then lose the game by two, right, Like,
don't do things like that to lose yourself the game.
Now you're chasing points the rest.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Of the day. And again, is that something that green
Bay is like, Boy, we already lost to the Vikes,
you know we were this is a huge game. We
got to act differently. Or is that would they do
that against the Raiders in Week seven or whatever? I
don't know, but I do think as much as I
love analytics and analytics, such a broad term turning down
points or close to short.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Places, especially in the first half of a game.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Early in a game where it's not like you're down
fourteen nothing, it's time, you're in trouble and you can't
stop anybody. I mean, it's a pretty equal neutral script.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Great game at that seven to three.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
I bet the more people evaluate that and it'll come around,
you know, the analytics folks will be like, just kick it,
you know, you know what I mean, It just doesn't
always add up.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, I just made mental note of that as I
was watching that, as you did against with the Bengals,
I'm like, why are they going for this one? Like,
don't panic here? And it tells me also that Zach
Taylor doesn't trust his defense.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
He didn't.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
He knows they can't hold anybody.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
And I would think they're gonna take the same approach
against Steelers and this is a playoff game that he's
going to coach aggressively and again he's always and I
get it. I would always trust Burrow over that defense,
of course.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
But.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
I would assume the Steelers should expect that, you know, like, yeah,
you got expected they I mean maybe not without Chase Brown.
But I always talking about this with the Lions, like
third and seven is a rundown for them because they
know they're going to go for it, you know, so
that in itself can be an advantage. Doesn't mean the
youts you know, converted on fourth.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yeah, I guarantee you know, when when Mike Tomlin and
his coaching staff are watching this game, that's something that
they realized like, Hey, these guys are just gonna go.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
We're gonna go, Yeah, regardless of everything on Burrows. Yeah. Again,
that's why I was talking to Rob. Just dawned on me,
like with the running back injury, I mean, and I
get it. I don't even think it's a bad philosophy
t Chase Joe. If we win this thing, you guys
had your best days and everyone else is along for
the ride. And it's kind of what they've been doing anyway,

(42:13):
you know, to.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
A large degree. But Chase Brown has been He had
like one hundred yards and like five consecutors sixes and
one hundred yard total yards against the Steelers.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
And he's been a good player for him.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, sure, And taking that out of the equation I
think dramatically affects how the Steelers will defend the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
I also wonder just watching that game is a lot
of gaseki early you know, which too much? Yeah, agree,
And I'm sure some of it was a certain thing.
You know, they were really going after Moss heavy, heavy,
heavy coming back from injury, and he think he was
in and on that game from what I remember. And
I don't think they're ever gonna not go and Chase.
I mean, if Chase is it going against Rod Woodson

(42:52):
or Mel Blunt, they're gonna throw them the ball. But
I do think it was a heavier Gasecki game plan
than usual. Is that something that's here to stay for
the Sea, you know, against Steelers or not? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, it's just one more thing that you have to
be cognizant of here but the ball.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
But I'll let him beat me before Higgins and Chase.
Oh yeah, he has a huge day, right, you.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Know, yeah, because the ball really doesn't go anywhere else
for them. If you look back at that game, Higgins, yeah, Ok,
Higgins had twelve targets, Chase said fifteen targets. Gasicki had twelve,
and then the next closest guy was four Yusyvus with
four and you had Chase Brown with four. If that's
how you're going to play, you're making it pretty easy

(43:31):
to much easier. Like it's not easy. You still have
to defend Higgins and Chase, but you make.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
It much more so condensed.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yeah, And that's kind of the way the first game
went against the Steelers, if you you know, even if
you look at that one.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
I think even more so now with Chase Brown probably
out of the equation.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah, it was nine targets for Chase, ten targets for Higgins,
and then Gasiki had five, Yasiva said four. Tan Or
Hudson had four. Have at that all day long, and
Drew Sample had had two. Like, those guys aren't going
to beat.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
You, No, And it's a small percentage. But so one
of the things I always doing in the stat pack
is look at personnel groupings of you know, how teams
are attacking defenses and what they're putting out there on
both offense and defense, what percentages And during the Taylor
era in Cincinnati, they've always been like first or second

(44:23):
in eleven eleven, eleven, eleven, eleven eleven, and they're not.
They're kind of like fourteenth or something. It wasn't even
worth noting. They weren't extreme one way or another, kind
of middle of the road to a little bit high,
but not crazy.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Well, the thing is, I mean, you can look against
Sicki and say he has a team, that's why he
has a tea next to his name, but he's he
doesn't block anybody.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
He's closer to Tyler Boyd than he is h Rob
Gronkowski obviously. I mean, there's no doubt about that. So
they're using him as that third receiver in a big way.
And the other thing was a small percentage. But they're
at the very top of the league and not having
a running back on the field at all, either like
zero two or zero one personnel. I wonder if they

(45:02):
even rev that up more because their best running backs out.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah, I mean, and if you look at it overly,
e wound hide it like we're not we're not running here.
Of course, of his career, and he played a good
bit for Chicago. Khalil Herbert's career high for catches is
twenty sounds about right. He's gotten one target in a
Bengal uniform. He had two targets earlier this year with Chicago.

(45:26):
He's got three catches for eleven yards this season. Like,
he's not a receiving threat out of the backfield.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Well to your earlier point, because he's not out there
on passing down. So he's a bad in protection. Yeah,
you know, he can get steamrolling protection. He's a short
armed guy. He's around like a rounder body type. He's
not built like nausey and he's just not all that
great in protection, so the I mean, that was a
big reason and they even highlighted it when they made
the draft pick of Roshawn Johnson. This guy is great

(45:53):
in protection, you know, special team or you know. He
was a backup to Bijah in at Texas and that's
and then all of a sudden, Herbert's a fell off cliff.
They trade them for nothing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah, so we'll see how that goes. Yeah, right, let's
get to another break. That's going to do it for
our number one of the drive here on the Steelers
Audio Network. Matt and I will be back with our
number two right after this
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