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January 7, 2025 • 48 mins
The guys review the injury reports for the Steelers and Ravens, break down a final regular season power ranking, and debate end of season awards in the second half of today's program.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
And at least he's the drive with Dale Lolly and
Matt Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
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(00:38):
make sure it gets up in a timely fashion.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Makes us look as good as we possibly can. Yeah,
so fall time. Yeah right, his job's order and everybody.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Absolutely we're not going to do a fantasy football focus
here today. Okay, we're not going to do any draft
stuff here today. We're gonna look at the practice reports
for both the Steelers and the Ravens. For the Steelers,
h Dante Jackson with the back issue a full participant.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Wow, I didn't expect that.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Mason McCormick with the hand, the broken fraction hand a
limited participant. And he said today that you know, if
he's able to play he's not going to do so
in a cast, Okay, it would probably just tape and
brace it blue. Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
I mean he's a tough guy, but that shows it
a thousand percent. So you've been around the team and
Tomlin an awful lot obviously. Has he earned the semi
practice this week and still start? I mean, I know
rookies usually don't get that treatment, but we're deep into
his rookie year and he's played almost a thousand snaps
and it's a broken hand. It's not a soft tissue.

(01:43):
You're gonna tear it more type of thing. I mean,
like the practicing. My point is, is practicing even worth
it for him this week? Slamming that hand into a
helmet or blocking Cam Hayward or I mean walkthroughs are different,
but yeah, I mean does he have to hit a
sled in order to start? So?

Speaker 2 (02:00):
So, yeah, I do, But you do have to get
out on the field and do some stuff, you know,
So yeah, I think that's where I would be at
with that one. I would be too.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
I mean, I think he's earned that, Like, and you
have Anderson on a short leash. If it's you can't
use that hand properly.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Isaac Samalo was rested today. Michael pre limited today because
of a k the issue, but he's been dealing with
that kind of all season. And they were indoors. Yeah, okay.
And Cam Heyward also did not practice today. He's still
dealing with the illness. He was at the facility though today.
Probably swim swim king, keep doing it. H opened the window,

(02:41):
the practice window on offensive tackle Calvin Anderson. Oh yeah,
I did see that, so he was he had been
on IR So now they have four guys we're practicing
hovering is a good word for that. Included include Roman Wilson,
who was a full participant today. That would include Cole
Holcomb who is a full participant to day. And that
will include Logan Lee who is a full participant today.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
So those three, I'm not implying they're going to be active,
because I mean we've had that conversation a thousand times.
But they're healthy. Yeah, I mean, whether you activate them
or not, it's up to you. Or whether you need
them or not is up to you. But they're healthy.
They can play if needed, if needed. Yeah, okay, And
we don't know that about Anderson.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
He was a full participant today, Okay. Okay. So that's
where they're at. So relatively speaking, they're pretty healthy.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Absolutely for this late in season. And Tanu is that done?

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, I don't see him getting Okay, the reports that
he could possibly play in the playoffs, I don't see
it happening. Again, You're talking about a rookie who's played
one game in his career and.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
I'm not suggesting, boy, he's gonna come in and be
your starting left tackle against in Baltimore for his you know,
but they haven't opened his window now that it's found. That
curious that the other ones did.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
On the Ravens side of things, well, Flowers did not
practice today.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
What is the injury again with.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
It's a spray knee. Yeah, yeah, Kyle Hamilton was limited
today with the knee issue.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
I got a bunch of questions right after their game,
you know Hamilton's gonna play. I'm like, I didn't know
he got hurt, and then I looked into it and
there was there was definitely something on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, and that might. He's a fantastic player, it really is. Yeah.
But he's long.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Oh he's long. Yeah, And I'll be honest, he's not
a great change of direction.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Guy, either.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, I mean he's kind of a linear long strider,
and I mean who knows. I mean on game day,
you can do magical things to get back to where
he should be.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
But the injury earlier in the season when when he
was hurt when they first moved him back to free safety,
was a foot issue, like a lot of he just
might be a guy who was kind of lower body
stuff his entire There's a lot of leg.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
And he will get a lot of helmets into the
knees and shins and stuff over his career too.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, it's tough to get lower than some of these,
you know, running back, some wide receivers.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
I mean, I think he's in the conversation for best
safety in the league, but he's not in conversation for
most athletics safety in the league. Yeah, he's just a
he's smart, and he's long, and he's you know, he's fast,
but he's not a twitchy left right guy.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, good football player though. Oh yeah, Justice Hill dealing
with the concussion and illness. Oh the illness is new, right, Yeah,
so he was limited today.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Okay, he's important to them. Yeah, he would he be
their number one kickoff returner. I know, they've gone through
a million of them. No, I don't know he's one
of them at all.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Uh he I know he has returned some kicks. Yeah,
he's returned five kicks this year. They got keeping Mitchell
back Mitchell, so he can do some of that as well.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
I don't know they want Mitchell to be the third
down back all the time though, I think kind of
time to change the pace little guy. Yeah, he's not
chipping water picking up a landa Robert.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
No, right, no, he's If he's on the field, they're
probably gonna try to throw them the foot.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, so dynamic that Yeah, he's very fast. Yeah, yeah, no,
they love Hill.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Now. They did also activate they opened their window for
wide receiver kick returner Deontay Hardy Okay, who early in
the season was one of their you know, it was
their primary punt returner until he got hurt.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
That makes sense, but he couldn't have done a lot
of it.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Well, he had eight punt returns this year, four fair catches.
Tyler Wallace was doing it for a while. He had
the six returns and twelve fair catches. So they basically
told him he just go back and catch the football.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Just remembering both these guys coming out of college. Hardy's
much more of the prototypical punk returner than Wallace. Wallace
is more of a go route outside the numbers, kind
of physical receiver.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
But after Hardy had gotten hurt, you know, they they
signed Desmond King. He put the ball on the ground.
I think back to back games, including one against the Steelers.
Enough of that, signed Steven Simms, who was released. They
kind of traded with with Houston the same the same
time they cut Deontay Johnson. Houston had cut Steven Simms,
and they just changed pla former Steelers King and Sims

(07:02):
and Deonta And yeah, but Sims has been He has
five punt returns for them this year and four point
six yards per return.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
He was always solid at it, but not great, not great. Yeah,
I mean at this stage, he's probably twenty eight, twenty
nine years old to may be older.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Maybe he's been around. Yeah, So I don't know. I mean,
we'll see if they activate Hardy for this game and
he comes back as the primary punt return guy again,
some of those other guys have been putting the ball
in the ground.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
I don't know what Hardy would factor much into the offense. No,
he's not gonna He's not that he's not going to
be the Ze replacement or anything like that. No.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
No, So that's where they're at. Flowers and Hamilton obviously
the two big ones that you have to keep them.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Many names on the list for them though, no lot
of times both I mean, Flowers is a big one
obviously that I don't think will play. But all in all,
these two teams have the majority of their dudes. I
mean they really I do their dude.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah. The expectation, as I mentioned earlier in the show,
mat Is is for some snow during the day in Baltimore.
Then you know, whether you know you're gonna get some
wind and things like that. Does that favor either one
of these teams?

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Hmmm, it's hard to say that it doesn't favor Derrick Henry,
I mean, and Lamar. But the Steelers aren't exactly a
bunch of Ferraris. Yeah, you know, I would say it's
pretty even. I always think of defensive lineman and their

(08:29):
get off, but I still think it doesn't you know,
the Steelers defront defront is better than the Ravens, different
defensive front. It probably doesn't favor Hamilton and injured guys,
you know, just west footing and lower body injuries, which
everyone people not on that list have something.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
At this point the season. Everybody's dealing with something. Someone
has an ankle that they're not thrilled about, a soft
field or whatever if it favors either.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
But I don't think Henry mind it one bit.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah. You know, you also mentioned with the situation with
Justin Tucker and how he has what three field goals
over the last four games.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
I think so, I think he's I think he's three
for three of late.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Like it's become a situation now in Baltimore, like when
he makes one, it's a big deal. It's a big deal, yeah,
because he's missed a lot of kicks this year.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
And I was just going through this too. I mean,
he's twenty two of thirty for the year. Twenty two
kickers have made more field goals than Tucker this year.
And I think we've all realized, you know, from fifty
and beyond he eate what he used to be. But
from forty or beyond, he's eleven of nineteen. Who from

(09:45):
forty or beyond forty is not a hard kick now? No, right,
I mean that's why I went on my way to
be like, man, he's from forty to fifties almost as
bad as from fifty and beyond.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Well, that's all the because he has eight misses, r.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Eight misses and they're all from forty plus? What is
he from fifty plus? I th like equal, they're both
like for missus each or whatever. Okay, yeah, yeah, right,
but it's not.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Made eleven Yeah, you know, from forty or more. Yeah.
I mean, so if this turns into that kind of game,
if if they're in a situation the Ravens where they
gonna send Tucker out there for a forty five yardfield,
where a forty nine yard field? Right right, Harball, feel
good about that.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
That's a great point. And back to what you said
last hour two. I mean conversation combining two of our conversations.
The weather, their returners, their kicker, well, all the special
team stuff favorites the Steelers. I mean, if who's going
to handle weather better, Well, I'll take Austin, I'll take Cordero, Patterson,

(10:44):
I'll take Warren. That have at least been the guys. Yeah,
some start to finish, and I understand Austin put one
on the ground. I mean I mean he could again,
and Tucker's got a great history of kicking the weather too,
but he just hasn't been good this year, you know.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I mean, I'll take over anybody hasn't been good the
last two years, say even last year. Well, it's not
like a one year blip on the on the right,
you know, because if you look at it, I mean,
he was under his career stats.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
I don't think he just had like a groin or
an ankle to start the season and now he's fine.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
No, I don't. I think this is a I think
it's more of a slow decline as it is, but
I think it's a real decline. Yeah, I mean last
season he was fine. He was thirty two or thirty seven. Okay,
twenty twenty two is thirty seven to forty three. But
that's not what you expect out of.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Justin Tuck, no, right, I mean he was not the
best kicker in the league now for a couple of years.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
I mean you look and when he was when he was,
he wasn't a liability when he was that guy. He's
missing two or three kicks a year, yeah, you know,
and now all of a sudden he's missing five. This year,
it's eight eight, right, you know, and they're from forty plus. Yeah,
a bunch of tough ones. That's the that's the big
thing that I look at. You know, if you look
at his long ones over the last couple of years,

(11:58):
I'm sure they've dwindled. He was he was five one
for five last year on fifty plus. He was nine
of fourteen in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
So that's like fourteen or fifteen misses in three years
from fifty plus. Yeah, six of eleven this year. I
don't think they're from fifty nine to sixty anymore.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Either, No, they're not those two yeah, yeah, yeah, six
of eleven this year. So, I mean, if you look
at that long range kicking over the last three years, well, yeah,
he's made sixteen of them, but he's had sixteen for thirty.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Not so good. And one of the things, I mean,
everything about Boswell season has been unbelievably impressive, but to me,
his misses might be the most impressive part.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
I mean they were ridiculously hard kicks and one of
them was not his fault at all, I mean was blocked.
I'm not even sure that she count is a miss.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, I guess on a kicker. People asked that when
it happened, and he was like, well, he did kick
the football. Yeah, you know, it's not like they snapped
the ball and somebody came up and tackled the the
holder and he didn't get the attempt off. He kicked
the football.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
And there's times of kicks blocked because you kick it
too low.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Right, This was not that I wouldn't know, but yeah,
this was just somebody came on, came on, block through
and basically took the ball off. He didn't drill it
into the back of his center guards, back or or whatever. Yeah.
So I mean, really, when you look at it, and
when I when I say, that's not what you expect
out of Tucker. If you look at what his percentage was, again,

(13:28):
he's missed. He's he's sixty four of ninety six from
fifty plus in his career.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Okay, with a lot of those misses come in the
last three years.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
But as I as I said, fifteen of the fifteen
of the misses have come in the last three seasons,
including in the last two seasons. You're looking at ten
of them.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
It's a lot, and he's expensive, you know, I mean
that they don't care about that on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
No, I'm talking about like off seasons. Yeah, you know.
So it's just interesting. I mean, you're talking about a
guy who is a career eighty nine point one percent kicker,
who's at seventy three point three this year.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
I know, really rough twenty two kickers have more field goals.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Than he's been under that number of each of the
last three seasons.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, he's a declining player. Yeah, happens everybody. He's a
declining player.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
So it's gonna be an off season dilemma, and it's
gonna be a playoff dilemma. Maybe it doesn't matter in
this game, but there will be if they have a
run in the playoffs. There's gonna be a time that
Harball really has to look in the mirror and be.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Like, it's fourth and four, right, you know, Worth, we'reth
the thirty six and it's fourth and five, Like, yeah,
do I go for this a little long for Henry?

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Or are we just gonna trust Lamar or trut thought
you know three years ago tuckers out there every time?

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, you know, even if it's a a forty five
yard or are they gonna trust he should be automatic
on those pretty much. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
It shocked me that he's missed so many from forty
to fifty this year too. Yeah, it's been three or
four of them, and extra points he's missing. He's missed
two extra points as well. Bro, it's ten overall kicks.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Wow, not going through the uprights? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
So, but special teams is another avenue.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
It really is a lot. You know, can you win
this in the margins? Can you win the turnover battle?
And you can you win on special teams? Can you win?

Speaker 3 (15:11):
They're also the second most penalized team league those three categories.
They may have fixed things since the Steelers first time
on defense, but when I d that for week fourteen
by I thought, man, they're going to really dedicate themselves.
It's two weeks to being less penalized and being way
sounder on the back end of their defense. Well they
did one of the two. Yeah, I'm still taking a

(15:32):
lot of penalties.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
I'm glad you brought up the penalty thing because I
was looking at that earlier in the week. And I'm
not going to tie in two categories. I won't tweet out.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
The the the referee. I don't even know science this
week because it really doesn't matter because now they go
with the All Star crews. Oh right, it's not the
different it's a totally different crew other than you know,
the officials, the official The Jets surpassed the Ravens in
overall penalties.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, they're number one now they're now number one, one
hundred and thirty seven. But Baltimore and Tennessee both have
one hundred and thirty two. Yeah, the Jets and Titans
were not good football teams.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
No, I mean they're horrendous football teams.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
And it's to your point, it's a high number of
offensive penalties.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
It's the Steelers have thirty less accepted penalties than the Ravens.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
I mean significant.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Only nine teams have fewer than the Steelers one hundred
and two and their fourth highest, the Ravens fourth highest
in offensive holding calls and defensive pass interference.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, fifty three overall defensive penalties is third most in
the league. Okay, Detroit or the Jets were number one
with sixty. Detroit had fifty five, Baltimore had fifty three.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Okay, interesting, but I'm always interested against Steelers who takes
a lot of offensive holds.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, and who knows if this crew calls it or not,
but it wasn't called in the last game. Somehow the
Ravens ran the ball all those times getting out on
the edge and nobody ever held the entire game. There
were no holding penalties on either side in that entire football.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Game, right, which I know people like as viewers, but
when they it always hurts the Steelers when they do
that because of the front. Yeah, I mean, you can't
tell me people aren't holding Watt and Cam.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
You know. Right. Here's the other thing, though, thirty of
their penalties on offense were pre snap. Huh. That's high.
That's a that's a high number. They had well two
on special teams. I mean, so they've they've had some
pre snap stuff.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
That's you know, that surprises me at this stage of Lamar,
I always think about who's the coordinator, who's the quarterback
for those type of things. But they did also have
a rookie right tackle and the line was not settled
early in the season. Maybe it's some of that stuff
communication amongst the line, but you would think Lamar and

(17:56):
Monkin would have that pretty buttoned up at this point. Yeah,
I mean, it's they're much stronger than were almost two
per game, so it's a lot.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah. So anyways, let's get to a break. Uh, he
is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening
to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. It's
Power Ranking Day. We'll take a look at those when
we come back right after this on the drive.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
And this is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the
Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
And we are back. I am Dale LOLLI he is
the Matt Williamson. And we have our final power rankings.
Have the regular season here Eric at Holmes Power Rankings
on NFL dot com. He did all thirty two. Yes,
he did all thirty two. Okay, yeah, there's a new
number thirty two.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
I don't think there should be the Titans, even though
they aren't the first. Not the Titans.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Who would you have at thirty two right now?

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Patriots are pretty terrible, That's not who it is. I
don't think i'd pick the Saints or Giants, maybe the Browns.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
The Cleveland Browns or who he has at thirty two. Yeah,
this is a team that was picked by many, right.
I means to finish point well ahead of the Steelers
in the in the AFC North Stage. I remember the
Steels were supposed to finish fourth, right if you looked
at the odds out of Vegas, that's time right, right right.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
So I was gonna pull it up because their Aaron
Schotts put out his final dv o A rankings, and
there's something along the lines the kind of brushed it
over that it would be like the worst offense in
history of d v o A if not for those
Winston Yeah, yeah, I mean they were good offense with Winston.

(19:54):
It wasn't great, but it was a good offense for Winston.
If you take those games out, it's history.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Orkley bad I can't argue, right, right, And somehow Jerry
Judy made the Pro Bowl over Brian Thomas.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
And a lot of those five games or whatever. Two
But yeah, there's a lot of names that could have
won over Judy.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
At number thirty one up a spot. The Titans.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
I still think they beat the Giants and Saints Patriots
in eleven game series. They're not great, but yeah, the
Saints were plucky. Yeah they didn't get they play hung
with the Bucks too.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, at thirty down a spot is the Giants. Okay,
pretty bad, pretty bad. They get the third overall pick
in the draft. They having it.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
They don't have a quarterback right now.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
No, at twenty nine, up two spots. The first team
on this list that fired their head coach, the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
They don't make good players. I don't know what they
expected out of Mayo. I have no idea, right I
unless they just know that Vrabels lined up up and
they think that's I think.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
That was really what it yeah, because I mean, if
you look at it, Mayo has promised the opportunity to
replace Belichick. And I was told from people who were
in the know in that situation that Mayo then last
season paid no attention to Bill Belichick or any of

(21:22):
the anything else that was going on with the coaching
staff because he knew they were all gone and he
was coming to and rubbed a lot of people wrong
in that building. And you know, at that point, Craft
didn't want to go back on his words. And when
Rabel became available, but he had made the promise to

(21:44):
draw Mayo, who had been a Patriot, yeah, lifelong, So
he stuck with that. You gave him a year. Rabel's
still out there, man, I'm not We gotta we gotta
get the culture back to what it was.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
I mean, the record was the same Bills last year
and Mayo's first year. Yeah, talent was similar, except you
had a promising quarterback and I did get the impression.
Just the little things have snuck out since he's been
let go is day to day hasn't been real impressive.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Then.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, you know, and it's hard to find. It's hard
to follow Belichick obviously.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
At twenty eight down a spot is another team that
fired their head coach, the Las Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah, they're in bad shape too. I wouldn't be super
psyched about that job either. What do they do a quarterback?

Speaker 2 (22:35):
That's a good question, because you have Jacobe Myers, you
have Brock Bauers. You don't have a running back. No,
I mean you need a lot, but you can get
running backs. Yeah, what doesn't work easier than you can
get quarterbacks? Defense stepped up, but I think it's far
from complete. Yeah, I think they're at least a year
away from being anything. And oh, by the way, all
the other three teams in your division all made the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah, and they all have pretty big time head coaches too. Yeah,
that's wonder what Brady's influence is in that building.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Now, well, can they talk Brady out of retirement to
play quarterback? Why would he say yes? Why would the
first player? You know, well, I'm not the first player
slash owner. Yeah, and le meew it up. Yeah at
twenty seven, up a spot. Yet another team that fired
its head coach, the Jacksonville Jaguars. I think it's a

(23:24):
pretty good job. I might disagree with you on now.
I don't know open jobs. I don't know the Trevor Lawrence. See,
I get the impression loom was off the rows there
with me for him.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
I'm still hanging on and it's harder to be a defendant.
Don't get me wrong, But I do think the league
values Lawrence a lot more than the fantasy community or
the casual observer.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
I think he's a good quarterback. Yeah, I don't know
if he can be great.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
That's fair, that's fair. I mean he has not shown greatness.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
I think he's in that second maybe even third tier
guys below you can top guys. It makes a lot
of mistakes, makes a lot of just silly mistakes. Yeah,
like dropping the ball when you're running with it. Oh yeah,
things like that just you go, what what could he
possibly have been thinking? There?

Speaker 3 (24:16):
I think, what's his face? The Lions offense coordinator is
going to get that job Ben Johnson? Ben Johnson, And
I think a lot of it's because he wants to
work with Lawrence. That doesn't mean he's gonna save him.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
I get wanting to work with him because there is
talent there. Oh yeah, I just don't know that he's
not the generational guy that a lot of people thought
that was unfair.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, that's unfair to k Lob, but it's unfair to
all these guys. Yeah, it's almost impossible to hit that mark.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
At twenty six holding steady as the Jets.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Okay, there's stuff there though. No quarterback though, No, what
do they do at quarterback?

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Not bring back Aaron Rodgers? I bet they do something
short term like Carr surprise me. Yeah, I doubt they've
got an old roster. I don't think they'll build for
the future. Does DeVante Adams want to go back there?
Probably not. No, you can come here twenty five down

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two spots in New Orleans Saints.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
They have played hard. There's been some bad moments. Throughout
the year though too. Yeah, I may have them a
couple spots lower. Yeah, it's just not a good roster. No,
then they're in a bad spot overall too.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
It's not a good job at twenty four up a
spot the Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Okay, now we can actually have some positive conversations.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
David Tepper came out and says, I think we have
our quarterback. Yeah. Yeah, and that's what they should do
with him at this moment.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
You know, maybe get him one more weapon and then
build defense like crazy, more than one. Yeah. I mean
they drafted a couple receivers lately, you know. I mean
they can run the ball.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
There's there's stuff there to start with. Yeah, you need
to upgrade the defense a little bit a lot. Yeah,
but the division is winnable. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, I think they're in decent shape, much better than
I thought that'd be.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Twenty three up a spot, Chicago.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
That's fair. I mean they've really fallen apart. Yeah, the
coaching change didn't help them at all. They lost ten
in a row. People keep talking about that to being
the best job. I don't know if I think i'd
rather the Jags, Joe. I don't think it is.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, I don't know that it is either. It's a
brutal division. Yeah, And that's you know, when you when
you if you're Ben Johnson, for example, you said to
throw his name.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Out there, sure are your pick? Are you leaving the
Lions to go play against them? To go play against
the Lions and the Vikings and the Packers?

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Right right? You've game planned against these these teams.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Why I think he's end up in Jacksonville. I'd much
rather go play against Richardson and you know, whatever going
on in Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
And right at twenty two down two spots, the San
Francisco forty nine ers. I can remember saying when they
were around fourteen early in the season, that's as low
as they go.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
I know, folks, we can be wrong, you know, we
could be wrong. I mean they ended up pretty miserable. Yeah.
And I've been, you know, regurgitating what you've been saying
about Shanahan too. I mean half of season's have been
ten lost seasons. I mean, and it goes bad, it
goes bad. Hard to believe.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, he doesn't. He doesn't coach them up to make
them necessarily no better in those.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Situas the pull us up because they did. I mentioned
the DVOA stuff that he put out as a final
and they have a list of the four or five
or six biggest droppers from last year, and you know,
biggest gainers from last year, and the Niners went from
second to fourteenth. But they said fourteenth is still pretty

(27:44):
good for four six and elevene.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Right, you know, shouldn't have been six and eleven.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Shouldn't be six and eleven, you know, I mean you're
playing better than that, yeah, but you're not. Yeah, other
droppers were Cleveland went from eighth to thirty second.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
That's hard to do. That's hard to do.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
I mean, Jackson went from ten to twenty six, Dallas
goes four to twenty four, Miami six to twenty one.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Those are all the droppers.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
You know, we haven't gotten a couple of those yet.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, and now they're gott to make a decision on
rock Perty.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yeah, and I think you're gonna pay him. Yeah, I
think that's given. Right we talked about earlier in the
segment here, But Deebo Samuel won't be back, and yeah,
just Trent Williams play football again.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
And you know, now you have some big holes to fill.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Right, at least you have a semi early pick though.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
At twenty one the Dallas Cowboys, you.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Think he's safe. I kind of feel if there's any
more shoes to drop, it's that one. But if it
seemed like it would have happened already.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, I mean his contract expires January fourteenth, does it? Yeah,
so you know he's kind of a lame duck sitting
out there. Are they gonna say, hey, yeah, we'll give
you two more years or something like that? Possibly?

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, I mean head coach has never signed a one
year deal. It'll be a two year deal. But basically
Jerry saying we'll give you one year and I'll eat
the last year.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Doesn't I mean they stayed competitive, right, give me at
all year? Yeah, I think i'd run it back. At
twenty up two spots, the Indianapolis Colts.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Fired the defense coordinator. I think is a really good move.
That's about where they belong. I don't know if they
have a quarterback for they got problem, they better bring
in a competition. I love your fields idea.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
At nineteen down two spots the Atlanta Falcons.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
That's nineteen Yeah, they probably have them a little higher
than that. Yeah, they have a quarterback I think, I mean,
they're at least going to roll with them and see
how he goes. But it's promising so far. Yeah, I
mean I liked what I saw Pennis. Yeah, and it
would definitely be another defensive offseason for me. Yeah, but
drafting pass rushers will be good and wouldn't have been

(29:46):
trying to do that for a dozen years now. But
they also have this massive Cousins cap hit too that
makes things hard.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, at eighteen holding steady the Miami Dolphins, Tyreek doesn't
sure it sound like Tyreek out? Yeah, he once out.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Did you see how he changed his Twitter emoji or
whatever he put his face on Antonio Brown's body when
he was like leaving the stadium.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
He wants out, But I wouldn't. That wouldn't be the guy.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
That I, oh, let's go run and associate myself.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
There's that.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah, Like, I'm not sure that's the smartest career movie.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
I don't know that anybody's ever you.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Know, said he don't know that he's gonna take you know,
Josh Dobbs' jobs NASA anytimes. Yeah right, Yeah, but there's
talent there and he's not that bad a cap hit
for the new team.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
No, he's not.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
You know, it's just a matter of he's thirty one
one not he's like one season of his career not
go awesome.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, as i I'm out. Yeah, uh seventeen up two spots.
The Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Trending the right direction. I like what they're doing. I
just keep building defense. But I wonder if Kyler can
ever get me there.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Kind of he might, kind of bed.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
It's kind of like the Lawrence conversation.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Good players not great players, right right? I mean, can
I win the division? Maybe? But can then I.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Get knocked out against in Philly?

Speaker 2 (31:09):
You know two years from now or whatever sixteen is. Seattle,
they made a change, didn't they. They changed the office coordinated.
Oh see. They were the only ten team, ten win
team to not make the playoffs. This is a record
for ten win teams with fifteen this year.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, and they're the only one didn't get in.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
They're the only one that didn't get in.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Wow, Okay, I guess someone had to fifteen.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
So we don't see a ton of this, but I
think the general public doesn't realize how much more difficult
it is to coordinate an offense. In the NFL versus college.
I mean, like the simplest things, like just because of
the hash marks, you don't even align in the same spot.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Your third receiver. I mean you go trips to a side.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
The width is different, everything's different. I mean, all the
geometry of it's different. Let alone the competition. Right, that's
a tough move. And you don't have three NFL receivers.
The first round tackle, a second round tackle in a
first round quarterback.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Oh, another one, let's go buy one and yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
As the yeah, donor ask.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
The Boosters to go get you one. Fifteen is the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
I guess that's fine. Should they be the first non
playoff team? I guess I guess. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
You can make an argument for them or Seattle? Yeah, yeah.
Fourteen the Houston Texans.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Hasn't been good. Yeah, that has not been good.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah against you know, we talked about the Steelers situation.
The Texans haven't been good against some of the similar competition,
but they've also not been great against like they anyway,
they won on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
But they they they said everybody right, the Titans weren't No, yeah,
they played, they played some The Titans weren't interested in
winning that game. No, no, no, Mills played a lot
of that game.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, he played basically the whole second half.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Yeah, that was not really an NFL football game.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
No, that was a basically preseason game.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
But they're a great plexigras last principal team. You take
a massive step forward, you're almost always going to rebound
back a little bit.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Thirteen the Pittsburgh Steelers down three spots.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
I figured it would be twelve, thirteen, fourteen.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, I get it. We'll see.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah, you gotta sort of winning games.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Twelve the Los Angeles Rams.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Fine, can they make noise in the playoffs? Maybe win one?

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Play the Vikings.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
I know I won't pick them to win, but I
can now see that happening.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Eleven up two spots of the Broncos. I think they're
gonna play the Bills tough.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
I mean, here's my problem with that can match up
eleven or twelve point spreads, it's.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Actually I think eight and a half.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Oh I thought it was double digits.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
My problem with that matchup from a Denver perspective is
that the one thing that they don't do offensively well
is the thing that teams have been able to do
against the Bills, and that's run the footprint the football consistently. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Physical, they don't play they don't have that guy.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah yeahah, And so I don't know that they're going
to necessarily generate enough of a rushing attack to keep
Bonnicks from getting you know, beaten up by that.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
That defin Daniels worry me as rookie quarterbacks in round
one period. I mean, they're not gonna be an easy
environment either.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
I think their defense will be fine, they'll you know,
be okay in that. But you know, again, they could
turn the ball over a couple of times and then
that's over. It's over. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
I do like their defensive situation. I had mentioned the
biggest fallers in Dvoa.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
They were one of the.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Biggest risers that you can imagine. They go twenty four
to six, Minnesota goes twenty three to seven, and then
Washington goes thirty first to tenth. Arizona went twenty ninth
to twelfth. So I don't think it's a shockers. Yeah,
you know, all those guys trending the right direction.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
At ten up as spot is, Tampa Bay defense is
a problem. Defense is an issue. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah, Baker's playing really well. Their O line is really good.
I think their skill guys are good enough. I think
they'll beat Washington.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
I do too.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
I would have them ahead of Washington. The power right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Nine is the Chargers. I think we're getting a little
ahead of ourselves with them. I think I don't know,
that's a toss up game between them and Houston. I'm
sorry it is. Oh, I think so too because their defense.
Houston's defense will give the Chargers issues because they don't
run the ball.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
I have no clud numbers, but I want to.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Take the under. It's it's Chargers by three.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
I mean, I just yeah, it can't be a high
over under and then it's gonna be a slog.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
I just think that that Houston's defense will give the
Chargers issues because all they want to do is run
the football.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah yeah, and I like Houston's yeah. Uh able neighborhoods
kind of yeah, cloudy though. The Chargers are kind of high.
But I don't know that I put them below the
teams were mentioned.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
You know, eight down A spot is Green Bay.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
I would have green Bay ahead of everyone we've mentioned,
but they're not a great spot right.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Now now, losing Christian Watson hurts not beating the good teams.
Jordan Love being hurt. Yeah, he's not just an issue. Right,
I've referenced the.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Lack of true star power. I think they're in for
a long.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Day and your your six losses were all the teams
are they're about to play. Yeah, right, Washington is at
seven up a stretch weight. That's I can't get on
board with that. Okay, they're twelve and five, I get it,
but they're not a good foot. They're not a great football. Yeah,
they're their coverage they've been fine.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yeah, well coached. That's a phenomenal rookie quarterback. They got
a lot more a lot more production out of O line,
receivers not named McLaurin and defense. Then those players really warrant.
I can see them taking a step back next year. Yeah,
you know that they could be a perfect PLEXI last
night with team too six down two spots is Minnesota.

(37:09):
These are the contender contenders to me, these six. I'm
still going to keep Minnesota there, but they would be
six for me. There's a rough showing five upper spot
is Baltimore. Sure, four upper spot is Philadelphia. Okay, they
might be one for me. But they don't have the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
I need to know what's going on with Jalen Hurts. Yeah,
because here's the problem with Jalen Hurts being in concussion
protocol part of practice.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yet, Yeah, you're not practicing, and even if you do practice,
it's going to be limited because you got to go
out and do some football like activities, running around a
little bit in.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Order to get the stamping approval. In order to get
to the approval. So if you're not practicing this week
for a playoff game, you haven't played in two weeks, quarterback,
you're the starting quarterback. Like how I understand they just
want to come out and run the football still, I
mean you're gonna throw it at some point. I mean, yeah, yeah,
you're not rolling over the Giants this week, right, you know? Right?
And you know the one big thing that they like.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
That to derail your season.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah. Man, the one big thing I like to do
with them is this short yardede stuff. You're going to
open that he's coming off a concussion. You're gonna you
don't want some you know, three hundred pounds defensive lineman's
you're holding them.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
I wonder if he eliminates the toush push and his
running and some of that too.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Say we've done this all year? Or do you bring
in your backup quarterback them in or something right? Or
do you have take the snap?

Speaker 3 (38:31):
You know it's Harry. I mean that's not the guy obviously.
I mean, I don't think we're breaking any news here.
You don't want your starting quarterback to have a concussion
and playoff week No, not good, right, It's hard to
get back for it though. Three down a spot is
the Bills, Okay. Their defense worries me, just from a
finesse standpoint though, Yeah, like I would not want to
play the Ravens I from them. Two up a spot

(38:53):
is Detroit, okay, and then I have them ahead of
Kansas City. Kansas City is one.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Respect.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
I mean, I get it, they're playing well and they're
seem to be peaking at the right time, big shock.
But the lines of the vikings an eye open.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
In a game that both teams are playing, playing hard.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
I mean, the Chiefs didn't care one bit about this
past week. Yeah, I don't mind a lot of problems
with that, oh on know.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, So that's where we sit heading into wild Card weekend.
We're gonna get to a break, Matt, and now will
be back with more on the drive right after this.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
At least he's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the
Black and Gold cas Steelers Nation Radio.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
And we are back on Dale Lolli and he is
the Matt Williamson and Matt looking here at the Pro
Football Focus Awards twenty twenty four, the NFL's Yeah, best
players in twenty categories.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
I was gonna check it out to night, but I
guess I won't happen.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Let's buzz show it here. So best runner in the league,
coordiney Pro Football Focus is Derrick Henry.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Yeah, I saw there. I did click on their All
Pro team and they gave him the nod over Barkley,
a lot of it after they in over a thousand
yards after first contact for the third time the hand
which is Bolkers.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah. Best run defender regardless of position, TJ Watt, TJ Wat.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
I could see that. Yeah, people just don't even run
his side anymore.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
He was really good this year run.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Like you can argue who the best edge guy is
in the league, but he's the best defender against the
run of those.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Guys, the Garretts and Boast. Yes, yeah, he absolutely is
their Offensive Player of the Year, Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
That's cheating given it to an MVP candidate. I mean,
Barkley is gonna win the award. But I do find
it funny the Chase wins a triple crown and doesn't
even get a sniff for Offensive Player of the Year
because it's gonna go to Barkley.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah. Uh, their best passer among quarterbacks, I bet it's
Jackson or Burrow. It's Joe Burrow Brow. Yeah, so that
those are They releasing some of these every day. The
interesting thing about this one, why I wanted to talk
about it, is they released four awards today and all
four players are AFC North players, And.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Say, we're talking about a lot of familiar guys.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
I've seen.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
All these dudes are about to or you know, one
of them's fifteen minutes away on the south side, right,
you know.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, it's a good division.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah, when you you know again, people talk about the divisions, Well,
the NFC North was so much better this year, is it. Yeah?

Speaker 2 (41:30):
I mean, Brown's hurt, the Browns hurt. But if you
look at like look at the teams that the Steelers,
the Ravens, the Bengals played this year as opposed to
we talked in the previous segment about well, Green Bay
lost every good team as they played, right, they still
went eleven and six because they didn't play a lot
of good teams.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
You know, like the Ravens for example, have some bad losses, Pators, Browns,
of course, I mean, and most teams do. But of
all the playoff teams, they're average strength of victory is
by far number one because they've played tough teams.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Yeah, you know, right, they played the first place schedule
and they're going to do so again next year.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yeah they get any easier, no walking Park, Yeah, which.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Means you get Allen and my homes again, and right,
you know, yeah, you got to play all those teams.
But the I mean the AFC North you got Derrick Henry,
you got t J. Watch, you got Miles Garrett, you
got Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow. Star power. There's star power
across the board with all four of those teams.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Really, it might be a fun thing to do in
the doll you know, the dog days of you know,
July or whatever. But what division has the most future
Hall of famers. It's to be hard to beat the North,
really is I mean, yeah, every team's got a couple already.
I mean I'm thinking Chase and Garrett and guys like
that that aren't done yet.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
They're probably going and Chase isn't there yet.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
I mean, he's on that pace though. Yeah, with the
triple crack, can blow his knee out to me. I know,
I know, I'm saying, I hope you, but he's not
there yet. Derrick Henry is a Hall of Fame. TJ
Wat's going to be a Hall farm probably a multiple
m VP. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean you might win
three yeah, Burrows on that pace.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Here's what they're going to release the rest of the week.
Wednesday will be their Breakout Player of the Year Arnold
breakout players.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Trying to think of like a running that I always
think about fantasy, a receiver running, somebody who can came
from nowhere.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
You know, it's a good one. The linebacker for the Broncos,
the outside backer Bo Benito.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Yeah, it's a good one. There's definitely some of those
type of guys, some defensive players, Zach Bond, Yeah, you
guys like right right, yea makes sense.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, I mean those guys were kind of.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
They weren't household names, they weren't super high picks. Whoa, Okay,
he's one of the better guys's position.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Offensive Rookie of the Year.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
It'll be Jade Daniel, it will yeah, but Bowers and
Neighbors aren't too shabby either, and Knicks, you know, Defensive
player of the Year. I think it's gonna be certain.
Hendrickson actually moved up to the Vegas boards after he
can't win it.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Though his argument would be the same thing.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
It's kind of Garrett, except his defense is way worse.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Yeah, okay, he led the league. If you're gonna give
it to the guy simply because he led the league
in sacks, then why the hell didn't TJ want win
it last year? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (44:24):
I think it'll be Stan Okay, really good defense, did
well against big time receivers.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
On Thursday, A're gonna reveal best pass rusher. Okay.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
The guy that's been lately is Parsons.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Comeback player of the Year.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
I hate that award, but is that that'll be Darnald?
That should be Darnald, let's put it.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah. Was Burrow hurt last year? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Yeah, you heard his name there, you see Burrow winning it,
but it should be Donald Defensive Rookie of the Year.
I think it's going to be Verse, but Mitchell's pretty
strong too. I think Mitchell's case has gotten stronger the
last couple of weeks where versus is not versus.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
His own teammate might have had a better overall season
the defense. Yeah, Fisk, it's not.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
A great year.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
I bet Mitchell wins it. Friday will be their MVP.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Okay, it'll be Allen.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
I think it should be Allen. The Dwight Stevenson Award,
which is for the best overall player. I'm not sure
why Dwhite Stevenson gets the really good player, but I
thought that was going to be for best center.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Who's the best player in the league.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
That will be Lamar.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
To me, it's almost a short cut the thinking. But
I think that that those top four quarterbacks Burrow, Lamar,
Mahomes and Allen are the best football players on the planet.
And I don't think most of years you could say that,
like better than Lane Johnson and Penny Stowell and Justin
Jefferson and DJ Watt and Miles Garrett and Certaan.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
I think they're remarkably good. Those four. The Rookie of
the Year.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Looks like, why is that different? That is I mean
Dan regardloss a position. It's gonna be an offensive guy,
I mean, will it? I mean rookie of the year.
Those defensive guys they have.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
They have an offensive and a rookie defensive So who's
the Maybe they're just looking that opens it up.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Could it be an offensive lineman? Yeah, could it be whatever?
Maybe Bowers gets that.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Maybe Bowers gets that.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Okay, Yeah, I can understand that. I mean what he
did was pretty remarkable. To best pass blocker, Lane Johnson,
best run blocker, Penny School on Monday, they were real
best receiver. I bet Chase wins it this year probably Yeah, yeah,

(46:42):
I mean Jefferson or having a class right now.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Best offensive lineman.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
I think it's Lane Johnson, but I would understand Humphrey.
How about Tristan Wurf's worfs is in the conversation and
souls in the conversation? Yeah, best coverage defender. Is there
a line because I know they've given that to like
Keik Lee in the past. Yeah, you know, you always
think about safeties and corners, but I bet it's certain he's.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Not going to win Defensive Player of the Year, and
that one probably probably not.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
I guess the way they let's split him up is
it like a Fred Warner. I don't think he had
a year. That's a tough one. No one comes to mind.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Yeah, uh and then uh revealed on Tuesday, January fourteenth,
their best overall offensive line and their best special teamer.
Best special teamer should be Chris Plains, so I should
be boss.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
I don't think there's any returner that's lidded.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
But all season long, they even they haven't even had
bos Well was their top rated kicker.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
I would say they're all Pro team was Aubrey, which
I'm like, I mean, Aubrey's awesome, but that's not even close.
He didn't have a better year than Boswell. No, he did, not,
No one, no kicker I can remember did.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
Yeah, is Philly the best o line lines are in
the conversation. Conversation has gone in that neighborhood. I think
he'll go to the Eagles, probably, yeah, probably so anyways, matters,
that's it for today's show. We'll see we'll check back
on those later in the week and see where they're
at with some of those. See if we guess right

(48:11):
on some of these things. I think Cam was there,
Pro Bowl, All Pro defensive tackle though he was one
of the two. Yeah he should be yep.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
But for my partner Matt Williamson, for Justin Miller here
on site running the Justin Miller hotline and making sure
the sound sounds great on the show, and for Tyler
Vittmeyer making sure our video gets out there on YouTube.
I am Dale, Lolly. We thank you for listening to
this edition of the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network.
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