May 5, 2025 • 45 mins
The guys take a look at the highest graded QB's and where they may go in fantasy drafts, debate which rookies are poised to take starting roles, and chat about the latest from around the league.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
And at least he's the drive with Dale Lolly and
Matt Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of
the Black and Gold in Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And we are back. I am Dale LOLLI. He is
the Matt Williamson and Matt time for little fantasy football
focus here looking at pro football focuses quarterback rankings.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Ok. I'm in my first rookie draft started this morning
in Dynasty. I am on the clock. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
picking number five and super flex. Okay, hoping somebody offers
me a trade if you're listening to offer me a trade,
trying to get out.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
So we're gonna look at the quarterbacks here first, all right,
what to do a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I want to preface this.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Let's go through these and we'll talk about it when
we get to get.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
To the view of it. Though is I was listening
to a podcast I really enjoyed. The Underdog podcast is
really good and they were breaking down quarterbacks and they're
saying the underdog theme when they oh, they should, they should,
but they're saying the best value over the years is
taking the Allens the Lamars. But then I'm sitting there
listening for the first time, Like they're top twenty five,
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which we'll probably get to, and I'm like, I can
live with that guy at twelve thirteen, fourteen fifteen, Like
there's a lot to pick from it this position.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So right now, they've got Josh Allen rank number one.
His ADP is nineteen point two. Okay, so you're taking
him at the end of round two.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Okay, they've get richer than I think they were talking about.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, they've got Lamar rank number two. His ADP is
actually eighteen point five. So you gotta take care who
do you pick of those two? Neither one, because I'm
not taking a quarterback that I say that's River for
one thing.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Ever, who's your one? There's a stat I saw on
Lamar which is really really unlikely to to replicate itself.
Is a really hot I mean, an ungodly high percentage
of his past attempts were touchdowns. This last year.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, like that probably won't keep probably not right, probably not.
I would probably still go Alan just because of the safety,
the safeness.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Of it all. I think Henry is a problem he
isn't and Lamar overcomes it. I mean, we're talking abou
the best.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I mean, let's not forget that just a couple of
Like going into last year was one of the issues
with Lamar. Well, you know it gets nicked up here
and there. Okay, yeah, he's still he's still a race car.
Are they definitely your top two?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Well, let's talk about.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Okay, there's some other we'll get through this whole thing
you're doing. And ahead of it, they've actually got Jayden
Daniels's number three. Everget it, ADP is twenty three point seven,
So you're taking him on the turn.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Well, I'm not saying I'm taking them at their value,
but I'm just in terms of my vertical board, he
would be my three. I mean, I do worry sophomore slump.
You know, we saw this with Stroud. More more information
out there, but they have a cheat code though he's
a cheat code. And think of their acquisitions, I mean
Tunsel their first round pick was a tackle they drafted,
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or they drafted a receiver in the third round, the
Virginia tach kid. But that doesn't really matter. They added
debo like the people around them are definitely better.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, Jalen Hurts is four. Yes, at twenty five point nine.
But a rule change, rule change would definitely affect that
and go back to segment one folks. Right now, he
might still get some He's still a run and get
in the end zone, right man.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
But they don't ever throw the ball.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
They do not like shut it down in the second
half of games.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Like Davante and aj Brown are hard to buy a
cost because they don't get targets.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Joe Burrow, they've got him at fifty four overall on
their Yeah, on their rankings, he is eighty.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
He is thirty three point four. They throw so much,
and when they get in the red zone, they'd throw
to those two receivers. Yeah, so much. I'll give you
a little bit on the ground, he would clearly be behind
those four for me. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
But then there's a separation between him and the next guy,
which is Mahomes. He's seventy third on their overall rankings,
fifty five point nine ADP.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
See he only runs in super Bowls and big games. Yeah,
I mean he can, but he doesn't even sneak. I
mean it's obviously scripted, game planned. You're not running, you're
too important. He'll throw it away before he runs, so
he ends up with very few rushing yards For fantasy.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
They didn't do much to help the running game.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
No, but they at least the lines in way better shape.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Right after Mahomes is Baker Mayfield at ninety nine overall
seventy six ADP.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
No, there's gonna be names I like better than that.
His receivers are awesome. He runs more than you think,
but there's still kind of a run first team.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I don't have a problem with him being QB seven.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I guess off the thier who eight, nine, ten are,
But I bet there's names I like better.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Their QB eight is bo flipping knicks.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
He wouldn't be money at one oh one.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, overall ninety three point one on the ADP.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
It'd be last of the guys we've talked about.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, now he runs a little bit better, Oh he does,
but that's not what That's not what he does best.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
But they're gonna be run first too, and they're not
gonna be a high volume passing game.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
One O three Rock Purdy is QB nine. His ADP
is ninety three point eight.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
He was high on the underdog list too, and I
can't get there with that either.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I like the guys that go they're much cheaper. That
would the names we have not brought up way more
than this. I don't like this tier at all.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
One oh five is Kyler Murray is QB ten ADP
of one oh two point six.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
He's such a tease. I mean, like I targeted him
a lot last year, but he doesn't run quite as
much as you think. He's not as efficient as you think,
but he is close. I mean, if he could break out,
they didn't do anything to really help him. I might
take him over the parties of the world though.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
One oh six overall justin Fields no.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
ADP right now, Okay, this sounds nuts. I would take
Fields right behind Burrow Fieldsburth's my homes is tough, but
Fields Verth's party and those guys isn't tough at all.
And I don't even care if he's good. I mean,
legendarily I went down with the Anthony Richardson ship.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
If I take Fields, though, I'm better make sure I
have a good backup one hundred percent. He's going to
miss some time.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I want Trevor Lawrence or
Stroud or Love or somebody we haven't brought up. That's good.
You know that, you know it is not getting benched.
It is a solid player. Yeah, but I think they're
planning on all indications that they plan on running him
a ton. Yeah, and they'd improve their line. They don't
really have receivers. I mean, it's all about the cheek code.
I mean, I'm not saying he's gonna be the best
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quarterback in the league.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
One eight and the ADP of one thirteen point two
is justin Herbert.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Way better NFL players I can go there. I don't either.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I would rather there's some of these guys behind him.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
That group are still pretty good.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, because he just they're not just the volume is
just not going to be there.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
No, the receivers aren't great. I'm not big on. I mean,
the drafted running back in the first round and signed nausey.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
One nine overall Caleb Williams, no ADP.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
See, I'm kind of buying thirteen. I don't love the player,
but I love the coach and I love the offseason.
I mean, they just gave him a whole new interior line.
They drafted to tackle in the second round, first round
tight end in the second round. Luther Burden, like his
supporting cast is pretty awesome and I think Johnson is
a heck of an offensive coach. I don't know if
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he's a good head coach, but I would go down
swinging with Caleb Williams for fantasy.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I might rather have some of these guys right after this.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I like a lot of names coming on.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
QB fourteen is Jalen or Jordan Love?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah, he should be higher. I mean, what's love versus Party?
They're kind of the same to me, I might prefer Love.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I won the championship last year with Love in our league.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I think he's a better football player.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, I mean he just Yeah, They're gonna be some
ups and downs, but he runs.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
They were in a he's in a good offense. Yeah.
First round receiver.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah. QB fifteen is Jared Goff.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
There's another name it's still coming that I think is
way too low. I think Goff's still He's pretty solid.
He's real solid. How much different is he than Mayfield?
Mayfield's going to give you three hundred more yard rushing
yards maybe at most, yeah, two hundred more, but they're
going to throw similar numbers of touchdown passes. I say
a touchdown passes is a coin flip to me. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
QB sixteen at one twenty five overall is Drake May.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
He's set up for fantasy greatness for me too. He
just doesn't have any receivers. I think Diggs is going
to be okay, and I think Williams is gonna be okay,
and I think Henderson's a very quarterback friendly edition, like
just points per game. May was really good last year.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I understand he ran a lot though, because he runs
a lot being chasement, so I love running for his life.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I know he's another one. I want a good backup,
or well maybe he's a backup. Yeah, I better if
somebody's safe.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
One twenty nine, QB seventeen Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
That's what he is now. I mean he never runs anymore. Yeah,
he is one receiver. They drafted a guard in the
first round. They're going to run the ball.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
QB eighteen at one thirty c J.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Stroud. That's a name. I don't know why so low.
I mean he is four really exciting receivers. The old
line is totally different, and maybe it's bad still, but
it's gonna be better. New coordinator. I think he's a star.
He doesn't run, but I'll take him over perty you
know who's like seven or eight.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
QB nineteen is to a Tago Via Looa.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
He's not for me. I think that's a declining team.
No run. They might have thrown a lot though, Yeah,
I mean his weapons are still dangerous.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
QB twenty is Trevor Lawrence. I would have him higher again.
I trust the coach and I trust hunter. This is one.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
This is purely based on who's around him. QB twenty
one is JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Yeah. I think Darnold ended up like QB seven. McCarthy's
not gonna make He's gonna be less than less than that.
But I think that's the the logic behind putting them
this high. Yeah, situation is really good.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
QB twenty two is Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Take Stafford or golf. I prefer golf. I prefer golf too. Yeah,
a little more trustworthy, but they're in the same neighborhood's yes,
yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
QB twenty three is Michael Pennix.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
He doesn't run as much as you think. No, he's
not fast, but he does have good weapons zo. Yeah,
and he's aggressive. Yeah, he throws. I mean I like
having receiving backs for these young guys too. I mentioned
Henderson's gonna flip at the jon a few times that
are gonna.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
End up a lot of yards and it's all said
and done. This is a bit of a stretch here.
A reach QB twenty four is cam Ward.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
That is a bit of a right reach. Yeah, I mean,
how many rushing yards are you gonna have? Three hundred
not a ton?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, And the receivers aren't great, They're not great. QB
twenty five Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
He's a starter.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I don't want to touch him. I don't want to
touch him last year when he was QB six, which
I thought was ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I was such a fan last year for fantasy. He's
as good a runners or is in the league. He
can't stay healthy, though I know the last year wasn't
too bad with that.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
There was games where, you know, the Steeler game, he's in,
he's out, he's in.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
He's out. I think he's only attempted, like he taps
out four hundred passes in his NFL career. I mean,
it's such a weird career if he's named the starter,
though he has to be in fantasy leagues.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
This was next guy might be my sleeper. QB twenty
six Bryce Young, It's not bad. I think the weapons
are better. I think he's gonna be better than some
of these guys ahead of him. The defense is awful.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
When he got reinserted in the lineup, I think he
was like fantasy quarterback fourteen ish from that point on,
you know, something like.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
That's where I would have him at. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
because they got they have to throw them.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
They can't stop. Anybody say he's gonna throw a lot.
He doesn't run a time, okay, but they're gonna throw
the mill the field, Yad McMillan. Coker's good. I mean,
guys like that aren't bad.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
QB twenty seven is Gino Smith with the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
They're gonna be really run heavy, and he doesn't run
at all. QB twenty eight is Sam Darnold. Do you
think Milroe comes in and plays? I think they mentioned
they want to get him involved early, which makes Donald
to me a border line backup.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
But it's Milro's never gonna always gonna do is come
in and run.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I know, I know, but I don't want him taking
three or four touchdowns away from over the course of
the year. I just don't love this. I don't have
the situation to begin with, and there's a lot of
negatives to site before you get the meilrow.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
QB twenty nine is Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
How long will we be the quarterback? That's about rebelongs?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
QB thirty Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I have Rogers over Wilson'd be nice to know his team.
But yeah, I assume they're implying he's going to be
an NFL player.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yes, I'd have him higher than that. I would do
not a lot, not a lot. He's not gonna run. Ever,
it's gotting better numbers than Gino Smith, I would say so.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I would say so.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, I mean Gino Smith through fifteen touchdowns last year?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Did he really wildslow?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Aaron Rodgers throws touchdown passes. QB thirty one Derek Carr.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I think Shuck's gonna be the starter. You never.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I think Carr might get healthy all of a sudden,
oh oh my arm. Yeah, and all of a sudden
that's feeling better now, man, that's possible.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
QB thirty two is Kenny Pickett. So they're implying he's
a starter, Well they're close. He got you got Flack
over right behind him.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I mean I would take like Daniel Jones over those guys.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
QB thirty three is Mason Rudolph with Flack over right
behind him. Shuck is thirty five, Daniel Jones is thirty six.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
This is all who gets the start type of thing. Yeah,
Daniel Jones is the start of the colts. He goes
to fifteen on my list.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, but I would I don't know how long does
he either, Yeah, does win the job at a training
camp and they stick with him and they say, okay,
we're done with the Richardson experiment or yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
I mean, truthfully, I think they go two weeks with
this guy being the starter and then four weeks with
this guy being a starter. I think he goes back
and forth. Like, but I wouldn't mind taking If Jones
is named the starter and on the day of your draft,
I don't I'll definitely take him as a backup. Yeah,
because if he gets benched, it's not hard to find.
Then you pick up Richardson, you know, like it's not
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hard to find a backup quarterback.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Looking at the list as a whole, I might be
more inclined to take an Alan or Jackson.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
I was thinking the same thing, Like I like some
values of where there's yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
There's some good values, but I'm like the Homes could
always falls off pretty quickly.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
It falls off real quick. Like Mahomes could throw for
forty touchdowns any year. Yeah he's six, I think on
that Yeah, Burrow could do the same thing. I think
Burrow has a better chance to do it than Mahome.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, is Colin Murray gonna do that?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
No? No, But from like seven to twelve on that list,
I hate that range, and they wouldn't be my seven atten.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
They wouldn't be mine either. I loving golf and some
of those guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but even at that.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
You're such a disadvantage When you play Hurts and Lamar,
you better and you play those guys half your game.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You better have won the first few rounds of your
draft and really loaded up on right stud Your.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Second round running back better not have got hurt. Yeah,
you know. I mean you're such a disadvantage at that
position against think about this.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
So a guy in our league last year that we're
both in took Lamar and he also got Henry.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I mean he was extremely ravencentric with his offense. And
he had a really good regular season record. Now I
caught him at the end of the season. He was
in my division and won the division title. But he
made it to the he made it to the semi finals.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Great offense and they didn't. They didn't. That can carry
at all. That can carry you. I mean, if you
had Hurts some Barkley, you'd be just as happy, right,
you know, you know question or Allan and cooklast year.
I don't think Cook's going to score fifteen touchdowns, not right? Yeah, Yeah,
I would pay for one of the top couple, and
that my thoughts might one hundred percent change change. Yeah,
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and of the second rounds, Rich, I'd much rather be
a buyer in the third. Yeah, give me a receiver
and a running back, and then I'm taking Lamar or
someone like that. Right, Yeah, that's Daniels. Maybe I wouldn't
be the first quarterback off the board.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Or if I were you, if I were on the turn,
you know, Okay, I get the number one overall pick,
so I get let's say it gets saf somebody, and
now I take one of those guys.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
You know you're not going to get them twenty four picks.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Right, and I get a good wide receiver to start
my team off with. I'm feeling okay about that.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
That wouldn't be a bad build. I mean, I don't
know who would be receiver at the twenty fourth pick.
If it's Barkley London, I'm guessing, yeah, something like that. Yeah,
somebody's good. Yeah, Allen or even Daniels. Yeah. Maybe I
don't get QB one, but you get two or three.
It's a pretty strong bad Bill's pretty strong. Yeah, I
could live with that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Anyways, let's get to a break. That's going to do
it for the Fantasy football focus. He is Matt Williamson.
I am Dale Lolly.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
We'll go through all the positions this week. Yeah cool,
get everybody ready.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
For their fantasy drafts when they're coming up. See what
Matt drafted here in his dynasty draft. Anyways, we'll be
back with more on a drive right after this.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
At least.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
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us the thumbs up. We appreciate that, Matt. Looking here
at sticking with the pro football focused stuff here. They
have a list here of offensive and defensive rookies who
could be in line to start this season.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Oh okay, interesting, So.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
The they've broken them down into virtual locks on the
cusp of starting and could win a competition. Okay, and
they do offense from offense defensives, so the virtual locks
on offense to start. Cam Word with the Titans.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
They say that's a fifty to fifty competition, but that's
not true.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Travis Hunter with the Jaguars, sure, offensive tackle, Will Campbell
with the Patriots. Gotta be Ashton Genty with the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
That's the most slam dunk of all of them.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Ted McMillan with the Panthers. Yeah, wide receiver offensive tackles
armand Membo with the Jets, and Calvin Banks with the Saints.
I mean, all high picks of course, yeah, right, Guard
Tyler Booker with the Cowboys. Yeah, there's a spot of
plug better for him, right, tight end Tyler worn with Colts,
you would hope. Sure, Offensive lineman Gray's Abel with the Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Interesting, they didn't have level enough. They did not, and
it sounds like they're going by order what they picked.
Zabels will start somewhere in the interior.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Guard Donovan Jackson with the Vikings.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, there was one spot left on the O line.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
And wide receiver Jaden Higgins with the Texans.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Ooh, I don't know about that. I mean if you
go three wide, everyone forgets save Christy Kirk, right, yeah,
I mean Nico is a superstar. I think Kirk's ahead
of both rookies. I would think so. And then I
think the Iowa State guys fight for number three. Yeah,
and they're so different. So interesting note on this is
I think Higgins they looked a lot of people inappropriately
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look at Higgins as he's a n Nico clone. That's
not how they're going to use them. They're going to
use them as a Cooper copy, and it's a RAMS
like offense. He's going to be a power slot where
nol is the vertical slot, so I think the two
guys on the outside are always gonna be the same,
and Kirk can be a slot too, but I think
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in two receiver sets it's gonna be Kirk three receiver sets,
depending what you want. I think it's one of the
two Iowa State guys. Yeah, so I would not.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Slay on the lock.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
No, not at all.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Guys who are on the cusp of starting tight end.
Colston loved them with the Bears.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Sure it might only be two tight end sets.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, wide receiver Luther Burden with the Bears. They seem
really down on DJ Moore Yeah, and some of his
efforts stuff last year, and I think that they are
looking I'm warming up.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
The Burden more and more, and this is more of
like dynasty fantasy stuff that I think they're kind of
looking at him like he's ar Mon Rossaint Brown. I
don't think he is. I don't think he's that guy either.
I think he's more of the after the catch guy,
which is the DJ Moore spot. But I'm curious because
I think they still love a Doonesa too.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Running back of Marion Hampton with the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Fair I mean draft the first round running back.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Wide receiver Matthew Golden with the Packers. Yeah, offensive tackled
Youjosh Connery with the Commanders.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I don't know. I don't know. He's start.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah, I mean he's a left at Oregon. He's not
super strong. He could be a red shirt year. I
mean the their other tackles weren't horrible last year.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, the TCU kid and you know, offensive lineman Jonas
Ivania with the do that's a yes.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah. I think they plug and play him, especially if
Daniels can't go right away.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Tight end Mason Taylor.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
With the Jets. Yeah, there's no competition.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Wide receiver Jack Beck with the Raiders. Possibly, I don't
that's maybe a little rich. I mean, I don't know
that he starts right out of the gate.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Who's the who would be the other one other than Myers?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
The guy that he emerged late last year, Douglas after
they now after they traded uh Adams. He'd been with
him a couple of years. He had some good games
down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I think I know you're talking about too. It's not
the most difficult hurdle to get over, but he seems
more like a third guy to me.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, and then running back are Jay Harvey with the Broncos.
I would I would have him in the pretty high,
pretty high.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
He has nothing to fight with.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Could win a competition. It's a big group. Wide receiver
a Mecca Igbuca with the Buccaneers. Yeah, but that's for
the three job, that's for the three. Offensive tackle Josh
Simmons with the Chiefs. I don't see that happening.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
He'd have to be very healthy to start.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Quinnshaw Jenkins with the Browns.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I think he's more like a starter from day one.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Dylan Samson with the Browns. They both can't start now.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Quarterback Dylan Gabriel with the Browns, No, I don't imagine
him being the opening day start. Shador Sanders with the Browns.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I think he has a better chance than Gabriel. Tyler
Shuck with the Saints, very good chance if cars on
the mix.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Arianta Ursery with the Texans at tackle.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Oh, I think he's gonna need some time.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Wide receiver tra Harris with the Chargers, possibly offensive tackle
Ossie Trapeo with the Bears.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
I don't think I think that's a next to your pick.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, Guard Tate Ratledge with the Lions. I liked him
a lot coming out, but he's still really raw.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Yeah. I mean they have a couple of dudes that
are going to be ahead of him.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Wide receiver Kyle Williams with the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
That's a real good chance.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I think guard Dylan Fairchild with the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Both those Georgia guys might need time, but he has
less competition at Cincy.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Running back Caleb Johnson with the Steelers. Definite center Jared
Wilson with the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah, but they had the smaller dude from Minnesota is
a kind of a spot starter. Yeahn't be easy to
He's a part timer probably, but they're a short timer.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Wide receiver Chimeer Dyke with the Titans. Possibly weird receiver room.
I guess Ridley's the only one really guaranteed a starter starter.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Wide receiver still ahead of them.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Took a human or with the Titans as well, and
then uning back Cam Scatibo with the Giants at best.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I think Scatabo is a fifty to fifty guy. Yeah,
Like in the fantasy world, you'd take Tracy over Scatabo, right, Yes,
I would do.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
On the defensive side, of thing the Locks. I don't
know that this is a lock edge. Abdua Carter with
the Giants.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
No, he could be situational, situational guy, isn't it Yeah?
I mean, is he better than Thibodeau today.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Defensive lineman Mason Graham with the Browns.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I would hope.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Edge rusher Michel Williams with the forty nine Ers and
the Niners.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Guy's done in a lot of competition.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Kenneth Grant with the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah, they're the tackle rooms, pretty light.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Linebacker Jalen Walker with the Falcons.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
He's situational, probably too though. Let they have him out
there full time. Him and Pierce just are small. He
can play off the ball, though, Say do they have
him play linebacker or what do they do with them?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Cornerback Johnny Barron with the Broncos. Yeah, but it might
be a nickel, might be the nickel. Right right edge
rusher James Pierce.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
With the Falcons. Situational though, let me treat a first run,
I future first four him. Me better use him.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Safety Malachi Starts with the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I would say that's a yes.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Cornerback Maxwell Hairston with the Bills. I would think and
cornerback Will Johnson with the Cardinals if the needs Okay, yeah,
guys who were on the Cusp edge, Shamar Stewart with
the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, I mean he's not fighting a lot of competition,
but is he going to establish himself as a starter.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Linebacker g Hud Campbell with the Eagles next to Bond, Yeah,
Defensive lineman Alfred Collins with the forty nine.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Ers, Okay, there's a run stuff for early down player.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Linebacker Demetrius Knight with the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I think that's why you draft him. He's a six
year guy. I think they draft him to be a
plug and play guy. It's not for upside. Yeah, I
would be very uncomfortable with that. Cornerback Trey Amos with
the Commanders possibly, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
And safety the late Xavier Watts with the Falcons.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Also traded up for him too. I think that's one
of the beauties of him is he's pretty NFL ready.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Could win a competition.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Defensive lineman Walter Nolan with the Cardinals, Well, I would
hope you win the competition.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
They got like ten defensive linemen though, I mean, okay,
but you would think he's heavily in the mix.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Linebacker Carson Sweeshinger with the Browns, Now, that one better
be a lambing.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
What competition is there? You're right, that better be lamb.
Safety Nick Amuari with the Seahawks. Similar situation.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Right edge guy, Yeah, edge rusher Donovan Azureku where, Yeah,
but don't Dallas Dallas because they listen to Boston College.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I don't think he's there anymore. No, I don't know
he beat every down player for them. I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Safety Andrew mccouba with the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, I think he's gonna be the Gardner Johnson.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Type defensive lineman Darius Alexander with the Giants.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I don't know if he'll be the two right away
next to Lawrence, but he'll be in the rotation.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Cornerback Darien Porter with the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
He's not ready to be a starter, no, I mean
he's just an athlete.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Linebacker Nick Martin with the forty nine Ers.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
You would hope not. I mean they used the third
round pick on him. Yeah, they overdrafted a lot of guys.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Uh. Safety Kevin Winston with the Titans.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, I'm assuming he's over the injury by camp and
all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Cornerback Jacob Parrish with the Buccaneers.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Maybe because they also drafted Morrison ahead of them, but
I would think Parrish has a better chance to be
a Day one contributor. Nose tackle Jamari Caldwell with the Chargers. Yeah,
Punaford's gone.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, Safety Caleb Ransaw with the Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I guess Cisco's gone.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Defensive lineman c J. West with the forty nine Ers.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I don't I can Williams Alferd Collins, and.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
If they do, I.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Mean it's only gonna be early downs for Weston Collins anyway.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Linebacker Cody Simon with the Cardinals.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Maybe he can come down and play on the line
of scrimmage a little bit too.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Safety Latham Ransom with the Panthers.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
It's not a very good safety room. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And linebacker Chris Paul with the Rams.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, their linebacker room is real bad.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
One guy's missing on here. Where's Derek Harmon?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, I guess it depends what they call a starter.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
He's going to be a lot of these guys if
he is not in their starter in their three four
defense on opening day.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Because there's a lot of nickelbacks in there, like Baron's
a first round pick and they call him a starter,
is a starter in Nickel, I think he's got a
great chance.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
You're gonna list all these other nose tackles on there though,
right right right.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I'm not saying he shouldn't be on there, because I
would think he's your three four end yea, which means
he's a starter. And I think he's in the last
category for Nickel and dimes stuff. I think he's at
least on the competition for that stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, I think he's on the cusp.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
In fact, right, I might even have him as virtual lock. Yeah,
tell me he can't be if he can't beat out
Isaiah Louder Milk Lowry in.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Those dudes, right, come on, man, right right right? Yeah,
I tend to agree. I mean, if you're to have
like Weston Collins on there as early down guys in
base defense, then he should absolutely be in there. Any
other Steelers that was it? I mean, is there another
Steelers should be starters? No? No, char right, He's Howard's
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got no.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Chances starting things went bad.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Real bad. I mean that's an injury thing. Yeah, Howard's
starting either things went extremely good, like oh my gosh,
who was this we found out of nowhere? Or there's
certain guys staying retired, you know. But no, yeah, Black
is not going to be a starter. No, there's no
way he out snaps Harmon. No, Johnson should be highest
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on the list, Yeah, and then Harmon and then Rade else.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Actually, to me, Harmon should be higher than Johnson.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I could, I could.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I could create a world where they come out in
the opening series of every game. Jayalen Warren is the
quote unquote starter. They did it with Naujie Harris last.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Year, like when they last two years, when they run
out of the tunnel and they announced the starters. Harmon
has a better chance to have his name called than Johnson,
I would agree, especially week one, Yeah, and probably the
whole stretch as long as Warren's healthy.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, doesn't mean that Johnson's not gonna play a lot,
but he plays more snaps this year between those two.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
That's to be close. That'll be close. I mean, running
backs are not gonna be out there full time, full
time all the time anyway, and Gainwell is gonna play, yeah,
you know, I mean, I don't know how much Patterson
will get backfield snaps, if any but Harmon's will be
out there a fair amount. Yeah, they'll be close. They're
probably both six hundred stap guys.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Something's just kind of surprised they didn't mention him at
all at all.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
I'm wondering how many others every.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Other first round pick I think was pretty much mentioned, right,
Jackson Dart.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yeah, yeah, everyone else should should be. I mean first
round picks always start, not always. Yeah, they at least
in the mix. Yeah, they're definitely listed there. Yeah, drafted
for a reason.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Right, Anyways, I just thought that, I mean, you listened
all Dylan Gabriel, for God's sakes. Yeah, he win a competition.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
He could be fourth, he could be cut, he could
be cut, which just makes that he picks me right,
you're keeping four, you know? Yeah? Right.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
They have never cut a draft pick under Andrew Berry.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Really, Okay, that could change you shoes. Yeah, yeah, they
haven't made a lot lately.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
That's true. Yeah, anyways, let's get to a break. He
is the Matt Williamson. I'm Dale, Lollie. You're listening to
the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt now
will be back to finish up the show right after.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
This, at least He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and
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Speaker 3 (33:05):
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I am Dale Lolly, he is the Matt Williamson and
Matt the Ravens had their rookie mini camp over the
weekend and they did a It must have been like
just a regular Ota sessions. A lot of their veterans
were there and in culture. So Justin Tucker has been.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
In the buildings of news and.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
John Harbaugh was asked about, you know, what's what's going on?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
A kicker?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
He drafted a kicker. He said, every decision we make
has to be based on football. There's a lot of
layers to that. You've got a rookie kicker and you
took him in the sixth round, early in the sixth round.
He's a talented guy just from a football standpoint, salary cap,
all the different things that you take into consideration. Whatever
we decide to do over the next few weeks will
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be based on football. Yeah. I was gonna say, if
Justin Tucker isn't accused of inappropriate behavior by sixteen different
massage therapists, did they draft a kicker. I think the
answer is yes, it might be yes. He was terrible
last year and he's expensive.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
You're like, before I knew he got in trouble Week
twelve of last year, I didn't think he was gonna
be back.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
The funny thing about that whole thing, to me, it
was awfully convenient that all that stuff just happened to come.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Out during the only bad season he's ever had at.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
The end of the only bets it all comes out
after he had his.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Bed, because it didn't all happen after week three years
and it had been years in the making, right right.
I just they're extreme. They're the most media savvy team
out there, and not accusing the Rivals of anything, but
that is awfully convenient. I do think they would have
drafted a kicker no matter what, because I don't think
he's worth the money to be one of the most
expensive kickers in the league at his age for that performance.
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But what I don't like, and I have great respect
for Harbaugh, it's not all about football. It's not all
about football. I mean, when you cut Ray Rice, it
wasn't all about f football, right. I Mean, they're not
the only team that have off the field issue things
that they had to deal with. I mean, Steelers have
had some, everybody's had some. You know, it's not all
about football. If it was all about football, the best players,
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regardless of their behavior off the field, would be the
first picks in the draft. That's on how it goes.
So Tucker last year with their second round pick, have
lasted to the second round if it was all about football. No,
Mike Green, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
So he was eleven of eleven inside of forty yards
last year.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Tucker.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah, okay, he was five of eight from forty to
forty nine yards, six of eleven from fifty plus.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
It was he had a bad year for hit a
bad year, right, right, It's not the worst year and
kicker history.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Not the worst year. Yeah, But the way that they play.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
I would say that his coaching changed with Tucker. It
used to be as soon as they passed midfield, I'll
try him out there no matter what, and you're getting three.
Not anymore now more.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
In the past two seasons, you could make the argument
he is now seven for sixteen from fifty plus and
in the last two seasons.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
And now kickers make it from fifty plus way more
than they did when he was a rookie year or whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
In twenty twenty two, for example, he was nine of
fourteen From fifty and beyond, they tried him fourteen times.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yeah, yeah, one season. Oh you're saying the attempts were
way different. Yeah, because they trusted him more.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
They trusted him more. He's not that guy anymore.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
No, but you know, we just saw him. He's thirty
five years old. We saw him.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Vinatieri kick until he was in his early felt right.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
I was also in a dome. He didn't kick off, right, right.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I just don't tell me. It's all about football.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
That's the problem. I have a problem. That's the statement.
That's the first thing came out of his mouth. Was
all about football. Like, no, it's not everything else you
said after. That's fine, salary cap and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Right, he's too expensive to keep it this, you know,
based on this r My question to you is, has
Tucker hurt his Hall of.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Fame by the letter of the law. He shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I'm not talking about the off the field stuff. Oh,
I'm talking about his play on the field. Is that
as these last couple of seasons, he hasn't made over
ninety percent of us he's made over ninety percent of
his kicks once in the last five years.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I mean, I know that we've gone through this because
Boswell is very much in the equation just lifetime field
goal percentage. He's not as dominant as he was.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
It's not like other guys like they had passed him
at different points last year. Now he's not number one
again right now, but he's at eighty nine point one.
It's not as dominant as it was. And there are
a bunch of kickers, including Boswell, who were at eighty
eight percent and better for their careers.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Especially at that position. But I think it's true for
all Hall of Fame. I'm really concerned with what you
did against your peers of your time, you know, like, yeah,
he should be more accurate than Jon Stenerud, right, I mean,
like it's changed. Or Tom Dempsey that had half a foot,
you know, or Mark Moseley that kicks straight on. They
were all like their best kickers of their generation. They
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had like seventy percent guys and they'd take two attempts
from fifty times have changed, But for the majority of
his career, I think he was clearly the best or
a top two guy like a Julio Jones or whoever
you know, whoever's Aaron Donald or whoever. It was clearly
a long stretch of dominance. But these last couple of
years are kind of like Russell Wilson leaving Seattle, like
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it didn't it hurt your cause more than it helped it.
If you would have retired a couple of years ago.
If he retires four or five years ago or three
years ago, his case is probably stronger. Yeah, and he's
one the only specialists that I think I would vote for.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I think that I would have voted to Mester m
has come off the rose a little bit. He's not
He's not the dominant kicker that he once was.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
And I know, and I mentioned the off the field
stuff because in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, so
I even called the NFL Hall of Fame, right, the
Pro Football Hall of Fame, off the field is not
supposed to be factored in. I think baseball it is.
Pete Rose isn't in et cetera, et cetera, but it is.
I mean, like, I don't know that Antonio Brown's case
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is going to be as smooth as it should be.
I mean, if you just look at on the field
he's in. Yeah, but there is a human element, someone
like yourself. For whoever has to go in front of
a room of their peers and make a case for
the guy, and if their heart isn't in it, you know,
I mean, I give Tucker a much less chance. Now, yeah,
(39:47):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
I just because the career numbers aren't going to be
Like to me, Vinettieri is in consideration because he's the
all time leading scorer. Now I wouldn't vote for him.
He's the hit just because he's the yeah hit, because
you're stuck around for twenty eight years. Yeah yeah, and
from you know, the second half of your career, you
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didn't even kick off or do anything. You never tried
anything beyond fifty after a certain period.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
I mean, you and I would be the worst two
people on the planet to have vinitary br or for
us to represent him in the hall. But that's why
we'd open an argument. Yeah, nobody scored more points than
my guy. At least it's somewhere to start.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
I just look at what Boswell has done compared to
you know what Tucker has done here, Tucker's gotten worse
at the longer field goals as he's gotten older.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
All right. Hypothetical Tucker gets cut, which I think is
strongly a possibility, and never kicks again, Like he may
not get picked up, especially if this stuff looms off
the field. Yeah, never kicks again. Boz has three to five.
Not last year. I mean, he was the best kicker
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to leave. He and if he's a top ten guy
for the next five years, does he have a better
case than Tucker.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Tucker's got all these All pros and all that kind
of like even made he made All Pro in twenty
twenty three or Pro Bowl, I should say, in twenty
twenty three when he was thirty two of thirty seven kicking,
he was one of five from beyond fifty. He probably
shouldn't have gone.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
But especially at that position, there's some positions. Once you
get in, it's hard to not That's the thing. You
just keep going, especially to a Pro Bowl. Maybe not
All Pro.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
But if you look at the Haws All Pro this
year or is it Bailey he was, No, he.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Was, he was number one.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, Okay, I just want to look at the Hall
of Fame monitor.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Tucker hurts bas a little bit too, a little bit
because you're both aft. Yeah, right, right.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
So if you look at the Hall of Fame kicker stuff. Yeah, Ever,
Morten Anderson's.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Number one, he has the best case.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, Adam Vinettieri is number two. But I get it now,
there are only two kickers in the Hall of Fame.
Place Ridge one, right, Anderson, and you're on stener Root.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Tucker right now has fifty six point nine points. The
average Hall of Famer is seventy seven.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
But it's a two person saying.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
But yeah, but Tucker has more points right now, He's
stener Root at fifty six point five to three, okay,
whereas Anderson's at ninety seven point four four or five
Vinity areas at ninety three point seven. Oh, then you
got Gary Anderson at sixty five point nine. Nobody's ever
considered Gary Anderson Nick Lowry at fifty seven point sixty three.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Then you got Tucker. I mean, in my childhood, the
two Anderson kickers were clearly one and two, and one
of them kicked in the Dome.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
The problem is because you know, they take things such
as first team All Pro and Pro Bowls into consideration
right now.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
And it's not like wide receiver where Boswells the guys
go to the Pro Bowl over your eighth or whatever.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Boswell's like twenty eighth on the list at twenty point
three points. He almost has no chance, right, He's behind
Jeff Wilkins, for God's sakes, Jeff that five great years.
He's behind Roy Jirella on you no offense to royd
Jarrell close, It's not even close close, Phil Dawson, Matt Barr,
Bruce Gossip. I couldn't even tell you who Bruce Gossip
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kicked for not I mean either Mike vander Jack.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Yeah. Like if you ask labs who the best Steeler
kicker of all time is or you or me an,
it's boss. It's not even close, right, he's the Steeler.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Historian Matt Prater is ahead of him, Matt Bryant, A Lindo,
maray Sebastian Janakowski.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
But what's hurting Bass? Then? I know he had like
he's had two down years. He just not have enough
awards he's getting.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
He's gone to two Pro Bowls and been first team
All Pro once, but it.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Was the most recent. Yeah, he'd have to string a
few together.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah, and he's again he's he's only kicked for He's
ten years now in the league.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Tucker's at like thirteen fourteen.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Tucker's at he started in twenty twelve, so he's only
got two more years.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
I thought they're about the same age. But bos is
going to keep kicking.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
But Tucker's got five First Team All Pro, seven Pro
Bowls and five first Yeah, that's the difference.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
That's the difference, and he was I think he deserved
those at the time. He was a dominant kicker. Vinetari
three Pro Bowls, he should not. He just that makes
me crazy.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Just hung around forever.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
He didn't even kick off, right, and if it was
longer than a like a forty five yard or he
didn't even go out there in a dome for like
ten years. He made a nice kick in the snow
and he lasted forever.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
And he made a kick in the snow that every
other guy in the league from forty yards would have made.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
They don't. It's not like it's a ten percent eight percentage, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah, Anyway, I mean he does of rings. Yeah he
gets he's got the rings. But anyways, I just thought
that was interesting that.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Harbors what would have to do to get in. He
has to be a rabbit hord. Yeah, he's the best
kicker in Steeler history. Oh clearly. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know if he could get into the Hall
of Fame. It's gonna be awfully difficult.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Yeah, yeah, should be for all kickers really, But anyways,
that's going to do it for our show today. So
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
And we are back. I am Dale LOLLI. He is
the Matt Williamson and Matt time for little fantasy football
focus here looking at pro football focuses quarterback rankings.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Ok. I'm in my first rookie draft started this morning
in Dynasty. I am on the clock. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
picking number five and super flex. Okay, hoping somebody offers
me a trade if you're listening to offer me a trade,
trying to get out.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
So we're gonna look at the quarterbacks here first, all right,
what to do a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I want to preface this.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Let's go through these and we'll talk about it when
we get to get.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
To the view of it. Though is I was listening
to a podcast I really enjoyed. The Underdog podcast is
really good and they were breaking down quarterbacks and they're
saying the underdog theme when they oh, they should, they should,
but they're saying the best value over the years is
taking the Allens the Lamars. But then I'm sitting there
listening for the first time, Like they're top twenty five,
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which we'll probably get to, and I'm like, I can
live with that guy at twelve thirteen, fourteen fifteen, Like
there's a lot to pick from it this position.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So right now, they've got Josh Allen rank number one.
His ADP is nineteen point two. Okay, so you're taking
him at the end of round two.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Okay, they've get richer than I think they were talking about.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, they've got Lamar rank number two. His ADP is
actually eighteen point five. So you gotta take care who
do you pick of those two? Neither one, because I'm
not taking a quarterback that I say that's River for
one thing.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Ever, who's your one? There's a stat I saw on
Lamar which is really really unlikely to to replicate itself.
Is a really hot I mean, an ungodly high percentage
of his past attempts were touchdowns. This last year.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, like that probably won't keep probably not right, probably not.
I would probably still go Alan just because of the safety,
the safeness.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Of it all. I think Henry is a problem he
isn't and Lamar overcomes it. I mean, we're talking abou
the best.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I mean, let's not forget that just a couple of
Like going into last year was one of the issues
with Lamar. Well, you know it gets nicked up here
and there. Okay, yeah, he's still he's still a race car.
Are they definitely your top two?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Well, let's talk about.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Okay, there's some other we'll get through this whole thing
you're doing. And ahead of it, they've actually got Jayden
Daniels's number three. Everget it, ADP is twenty three point seven,
So you're taking him on the turn.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Well, I'm not saying I'm taking them at their value,
but I'm just in terms of my vertical board, he
would be my three. I mean, I do worry sophomore slump.
You know, we saw this with Stroud. More more information
out there, but they have a cheat code though he's
a cheat code. And think of their acquisitions, I mean
Tunsel their first round pick was a tackle they drafted,
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or they drafted a receiver in the third round, the
Virginia tach kid. But that doesn't really matter. They added
debo like the people around them are definitely better.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, Jalen Hurts is four. Yes, at twenty five point nine.
But a rule change, rule change would definitely affect that
and go back to segment one folks. Right now, he
might still get some He's still a run and get
in the end zone, right man.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
But they don't ever throw the ball.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
They do not like shut it down in the second
half of games.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Like Davante and aj Brown are hard to buy a
cost because they don't get targets.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Joe Burrow, they've got him at fifty four overall on
their Yeah, on their rankings, he is eighty.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
He is thirty three point four. They throw so much,
and when they get in the red zone, they'd throw
to those two receivers. Yeah, so much. I'll give you
a little bit on the ground, he would clearly be behind
those four for me. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
But then there's a separation between him and the next guy,
which is Mahomes. He's seventy third on their overall rankings,
fifty five point nine ADP.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
See he only runs in super Bowls and big games. Yeah,
I mean he can, but he doesn't even sneak. I
mean it's obviously scripted, game planned. You're not running, you're
too important. He'll throw it away before he runs, so
he ends up with very few rushing yards For fantasy.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
They didn't do much to help the running game.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
No, but they at least the lines in way better shape.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Right after Mahomes is Baker Mayfield at ninety nine overall
seventy six ADP.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
No, there's gonna be names I like better than that.
His receivers are awesome. He runs more than you think,
but there's still kind of a run first team.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I don't have a problem with him being QB seven.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I guess off the thier who eight, nine, ten are,
But I bet there's names I like better.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Their QB eight is bo flipping knicks.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
He wouldn't be money at one oh one.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, overall ninety three point one on the ADP.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
It'd be last of the guys we've talked about.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, now he runs a little bit better, Oh he does,
but that's not what That's not what he does best.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
But they're gonna be run first too, and they're not
gonna be a high volume passing game.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
One O three Rock Purdy is QB nine. His ADP
is ninety three point eight.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
He was high on the underdog list too, and I
can't get there with that either.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I like the guys that go they're much cheaper. That
would the names we have not brought up way more
than this. I don't like this tier at all.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
One oh five is Kyler Murray is QB ten ADP
of one oh two point six.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
He's such a tease. I mean, like I targeted him
a lot last year, but he doesn't run quite as
much as you think. He's not as efficient as you think,
but he is close. I mean, if he could break out,
they didn't do anything to really help him. I might
take him over the parties of the world though.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
One oh six overall justin Fields no.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
ADP right now, Okay, this sounds nuts. I would take
Fields right behind Burrow Fieldsburth's my homes is tough, but
Fields Verth's party and those guys isn't tough at all.
And I don't even care if he's good. I mean,
legendarily I went down with the Anthony Richardson ship.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
If I take Fields, though, I'm better make sure I
have a good backup one hundred percent. He's going to
miss some time.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I want Trevor Lawrence or
Stroud or Love or somebody we haven't brought up. That's good.
You know that, you know it is not getting benched.
It is a solid player. Yeah, but I think they're
planning on all indications that they plan on running him
a ton. Yeah, and they'd improve their line. They don't
really have receivers. I mean, it's all about the cheek code.
I mean, I'm not saying he's gonna be the best
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quarterback in the league.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
One eight and the ADP of one thirteen point two
is justin Herbert.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Way better NFL players I can go there. I don't either.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I would rather there's some of these guys behind him.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
That group are still pretty good.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, because he just they're not just the volume is
just not going to be there.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
No, the receivers aren't great. I'm not big on. I mean,
the drafted running back in the first round and signed nausey.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
One nine overall Caleb Williams, no ADP.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
See, I'm kind of buying thirteen. I don't love the player,
but I love the coach and I love the offseason.
I mean, they just gave him a whole new interior line.
They drafted to tackle in the second round, first round
tight end in the second round. Luther Burden, like his
supporting cast is pretty awesome and I think Johnson is
a heck of an offensive coach. I don't know if
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he's a good head coach, but I would go down
swinging with Caleb Williams for fantasy.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I might rather have some of these guys right after this.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I like a lot of names coming on.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
QB fourteen is Jalen or Jordan Love?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah, he should be higher. I mean, what's love versus Party?
They're kind of the same to me, I might prefer Love.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I won the championship last year with Love in our league.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I think he's a better football player.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, I mean he just Yeah, They're gonna be some
ups and downs, but he runs.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
They were in a he's in a good offense. Yeah.
First round receiver.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah. QB fifteen is Jared Goff.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
There's another name it's still coming that I think is
way too low. I think Goff's still He's pretty solid.
He's real solid. How much different is he than Mayfield?
Mayfield's going to give you three hundred more yard rushing
yards maybe at most, yeah, two hundred more, but they're
going to throw similar numbers of touchdown passes. I say
a touchdown passes is a coin flip to me. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
QB sixteen at one twenty five overall is Drake May.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
He's set up for fantasy greatness for me too. He
just doesn't have any receivers. I think Diggs is going
to be okay, and I think Williams is gonna be okay,
and I think Henderson's a very quarterback friendly edition, like
just points per game. May was really good last year.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I understand he ran a lot though, because he runs
a lot being chasement, so I love running for his life.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I know he's another one. I want a good backup,
or well maybe he's a backup. Yeah, I better if
somebody's safe.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
One twenty nine, QB seventeen Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
That's what he is now. I mean he never runs anymore. Yeah,
he is one receiver. They drafted a guard in the
first round. They're going to run the ball.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
QB eighteen at one thirty c J.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Stroud. That's a name. I don't know why so low.
I mean he is four really exciting receivers. The old
line is totally different, and maybe it's bad still, but
it's gonna be better. New coordinator. I think he's a star.
He doesn't run, but I'll take him over perty you
know who's like seven or eight.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
QB nineteen is to a Tago Via Looa.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
He's not for me. I think that's a declining team.
No run. They might have thrown a lot though, Yeah,
I mean his weapons are still dangerous.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
QB twenty is Trevor Lawrence. I would have him higher again.
I trust the coach and I trust hunter. This is one.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
This is purely based on who's around him. QB twenty
one is JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Yeah. I think Darnold ended up like QB seven. McCarthy's
not gonna make He's gonna be less than less than that.
But I think that's the the logic behind putting them
this high. Yeah, situation is really good.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
QB twenty two is Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Take Stafford or golf. I prefer golf. I prefer golf too. Yeah,
a little more trustworthy, but they're in the same neighborhood's yes,
yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
QB twenty three is Michael Pennix.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
He doesn't run as much as you think. No, he's
not fast, but he does have good weapons zo. Yeah,
and he's aggressive. Yeah, he throws. I mean I like
having receiving backs for these young guys too. I mentioned
Henderson's gonna flip at the jon a few times that
are gonna.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
End up a lot of yards and it's all said
and done. This is a bit of a stretch here.
A reach QB twenty four is cam Ward.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
That is a bit of a right reach. Yeah, I mean,
how many rushing yards are you gonna have? Three hundred
not a ton?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, And the receivers aren't great, They're not great. QB
twenty five Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
He's a starter.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I don't want to touch him. I don't want to
touch him last year when he was QB six, which
I thought was ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I was such a fan last year for fantasy. He's
as good a runners or is in the league. He
can't stay healthy, though I know the last year wasn't
too bad with that.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
There was games where, you know, the Steeler game, he's in,
he's out, he's in.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
He's out. I think he's only attempted, like he taps
out four hundred passes in his NFL career. I mean,
it's such a weird career if he's named the starter,
though he has to be in fantasy leagues.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
This was next guy might be my sleeper. QB twenty
six Bryce Young, It's not bad. I think the weapons
are better. I think he's gonna be better than some
of these guys ahead of him. The defense is awful.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
When he got reinserted in the lineup, I think he
was like fantasy quarterback fourteen ish from that point on,
you know, something like.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
That's where I would have him at. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
because they got they have to throw them.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
They can't stop. Anybody say he's gonna throw a lot.
He doesn't run a time, okay, but they're gonna throw
the mill the field, Yad McMillan. Coker's good. I mean,
guys like that aren't bad.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
QB twenty seven is Gino Smith with the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
They're gonna be really run heavy, and he doesn't run
at all. QB twenty eight is Sam Darnold. Do you
think Milroe comes in and plays? I think they mentioned
they want to get him involved early, which makes Donald
to me a border line backup.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
But it's Milro's never gonna always gonna do is come
in and run.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I know, I know, but I don't want him taking
three or four touchdowns away from over the course of
the year. I just don't love this. I don't have
the situation to begin with, and there's a lot of
negatives to site before you get the meilrow.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
QB twenty nine is Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
How long will we be the quarterback? That's about rebelongs?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
QB thirty Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I have Rogers over Wilson'd be nice to know his team.
But yeah, I assume they're implying he's going to be
an NFL player.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yes, I'd have him higher than that. I would do
not a lot, not a lot. He's not gonna run. Ever,
it's gotting better numbers than Gino Smith, I would say so.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I would say so.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, I mean Gino Smith through fifteen touchdowns last year?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Did he really wildslow?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Aaron Rodgers throws touchdown passes. QB thirty one Derek Carr.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I think Shuck's gonna be the starter. You never.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I think Carr might get healthy all of a sudden,
oh oh my arm. Yeah, and all of a sudden
that's feeling better now, man, that's possible.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
QB thirty two is Kenny Pickett. So they're implying he's
a starter, Well they're close. He got you got Flack
over right behind him.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I mean I would take like Daniel Jones over those guys.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
QB thirty three is Mason Rudolph with Flack over right
behind him. Shuck is thirty five, Daniel Jones is thirty six.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
This is all who gets the start type of thing. Yeah,
Daniel Jones is the start of the colts. He goes
to fifteen on my list.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, but I would I don't know how long does
he either, Yeah, does win the job at a training
camp and they stick with him and they say, okay,
we're done with the Richardson experiment or yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
I mean, truthfully, I think they go two weeks with
this guy being the starter and then four weeks with
this guy being a starter. I think he goes back
and forth. Like, but I wouldn't mind taking If Jones
is named the starter and on the day of your draft,
I don't I'll definitely take him as a backup. Yeah,
because if he gets benched, it's not hard to find.
Then you pick up Richardson, you know, like it's not
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hard to find a backup quarterback.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Looking at the list as a whole, I might be
more inclined to take an Alan or Jackson.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
I was thinking the same thing, Like I like some
values of where there's yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
There's some good values, but I'm like the Homes could
always falls off pretty quickly.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
It falls off real quick. Like Mahomes could throw for
forty touchdowns any year. Yeah he's six, I think on
that Yeah, Burrow could do the same thing. I think
Burrow has a better chance to do it than Mahome.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, is Colin Murray gonna do that?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
No? No, But from like seven to twelve on that list,
I hate that range, and they wouldn't be my seven atten.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
They wouldn't be mine either. I loving golf and some
of those guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but even at that.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
You're such a disadvantage When you play Hurts and Lamar,
you better and you play those guys half your game.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You better have won the first few rounds of your
draft and really loaded up on right stud Your.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Second round running back better not have got hurt. Yeah,
you know. I mean you're such a disadvantage at that
position against think about this.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
So a guy in our league last year that we're
both in took Lamar and he also got Henry.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I mean he was extremely ravencentric with his offense. And
he had a really good regular season record. Now I
caught him at the end of the season. He was
in my division and won the division title. But he
made it to the he made it to the semi finals.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Great offense and they didn't. They didn't. That can carry
at all. That can carry you. I mean, if you
had Hurts some Barkley, you'd be just as happy, right,
you know, you know question or Allan and cooklast year.
I don't think Cook's going to score fifteen touchdowns, not right? Yeah, Yeah,
I would pay for one of the top couple, and
that my thoughts might one hundred percent change change. Yeah,
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and of the second rounds, Rich, I'd much rather be
a buyer in the third. Yeah, give me a receiver
and a running back, and then I'm taking Lamar or
someone like that. Right, Yeah, that's Daniels. Maybe I wouldn't
be the first quarterback off the board.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Or if I were you, if I were on the turn,
you know, Okay, I get the number one overall pick,
so I get let's say it gets saf somebody, and
now I take one of those guys.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
You know you're not going to get them twenty four picks.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Right, and I get a good wide receiver to start
my team off with. I'm feeling okay about that.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
That wouldn't be a bad build. I mean, I don't
know who would be receiver at the twenty fourth pick.
If it's Barkley London, I'm guessing, yeah, something like that. Yeah,
somebody's good. Yeah, Allen or even Daniels. Yeah. Maybe I
don't get QB one, but you get two or three.
It's a pretty strong bad Bill's pretty strong. Yeah, I
could live with that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Anyways, let's get to a break. That's going to do
it for the Fantasy football focus. He is Matt Williamson.
I am Dale Lolly.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
We'll go through all the positions this week. Yeah cool,
get everybody ready.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
For their fantasy drafts when they're coming up. See what
Matt drafted here in his dynasty draft. Anyways, we'll be
back with more on a drive right after this.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
At least.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
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us the thumbs up. We appreciate that, Matt. Looking here
at sticking with the pro football focused stuff here. They
have a list here of offensive and defensive rookies who
could be in line to start this season.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Oh okay, interesting, So.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
The they've broken them down into virtual locks on the
cusp of starting and could win a competition. Okay, and
they do offense from offense defensives, so the virtual locks
on offense to start. Cam Word with the Titans.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
They say that's a fifty to fifty competition, but that's
not true.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Travis Hunter with the Jaguars, sure, offensive tackle, Will Campbell
with the Patriots. Gotta be Ashton Genty with the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
That's the most slam dunk of all of them.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Ted McMillan with the Panthers. Yeah, wide receiver offensive tackles
armand Membo with the Jets, and Calvin Banks with the Saints.
I mean, all high picks of course, yeah, right, Guard
Tyler Booker with the Cowboys. Yeah, there's a spot of
plug better for him, right, tight end Tyler worn with Colts,
you would hope. Sure, Offensive lineman Gray's Abel with the Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Interesting, they didn't have level enough. They did not, and
it sounds like they're going by order what they picked.
Zabels will start somewhere in the interior.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Guard Donovan Jackson with the Vikings.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, there was one spot left on the O line.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
And wide receiver Jaden Higgins with the Texans.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Ooh, I don't know about that. I mean if you
go three wide, everyone forgets save Christy Kirk, right, yeah,
I mean Nico is a superstar. I think Kirk's ahead
of both rookies. I would think so. And then I
think the Iowa State guys fight for number three. Yeah,
and they're so different. So interesting note on this is
I think Higgins they looked a lot of people inappropriately
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look at Higgins as he's a n Nico clone. That's
not how they're going to use them. They're going to
use them as a Cooper copy, and it's a RAMS
like offense. He's going to be a power slot where
nol is the vertical slot, so I think the two
guys on the outside are always gonna be the same,
and Kirk can be a slot too, but I think
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in two receiver sets it's gonna be Kirk three receiver sets,
depending what you want. I think it's one of the
two Iowa State guys. Yeah, so I would not.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Slay on the lock.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
No, not at all.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Guys who are on the cusp of starting tight end.
Colston loved them with the Bears.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Sure it might only be two tight end sets.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, wide receiver Luther Burden with the Bears. They seem
really down on DJ Moore Yeah, and some of his
efforts stuff last year, and I think that they are
looking I'm warming up.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
The Burden more and more, and this is more of
like dynasty fantasy stuff that I think they're kind of
looking at him like he's ar Mon Rossaint Brown. I
don't think he is. I don't think he's that guy either.
I think he's more of the after the catch guy,
which is the DJ Moore spot. But I'm curious because
I think they still love a Doonesa too.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Running back of Marion Hampton with the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Fair I mean draft the first round running back.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Wide receiver Matthew Golden with the Packers. Yeah, offensive tackled
Youjosh Connery with the Commanders.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I don't know. I don't know. He's start.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah, I mean he's a left at Oregon. He's not
super strong. He could be a red shirt year. I
mean the their other tackles weren't horrible last year.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, the TCU kid and you know, offensive lineman Jonas
Ivania with the do that's a yes.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah. I think they plug and play him, especially if
Daniels can't go right away.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Tight end Mason Taylor.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
With the Jets. Yeah, there's no competition.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Wide receiver Jack Beck with the Raiders. Possibly, I don't
that's maybe a little rich. I mean, I don't know
that he starts right out of the gate.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Who's the who would be the other one other than Myers?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
The guy that he emerged late last year, Douglas after
they now after they traded uh Adams. He'd been with
him a couple of years. He had some good games
down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I think I know you're talking about too. It's not
the most difficult hurdle to get over, but he seems
more like a third guy to me.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, and then running back are Jay Harvey with the Broncos.
I would I would have him in the pretty high,
pretty high.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
He has nothing to fight with.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Could win a competition. It's a big group. Wide receiver
a Mecca Igbuca with the Buccaneers. Yeah, but that's for
the three job, that's for the three. Offensive tackle Josh
Simmons with the Chiefs. I don't see that happening.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
He'd have to be very healthy to start.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Quinnshaw Jenkins with the Browns.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I think he's more like a starter from day one.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Dylan Samson with the Browns. They both can't start now.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Quarterback Dylan Gabriel with the Browns, No, I don't imagine
him being the opening day start. Shador Sanders with the Browns.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I think he has a better chance than Gabriel. Tyler
Shuck with the Saints, very good chance if cars on
the mix.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Arianta Ursery with the Texans at tackle.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Oh, I think he's gonna need some time.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Wide receiver tra Harris with the Chargers, possibly offensive tackle
Ossie Trapeo with the Bears.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
I don't think I think that's a next to your pick.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, Guard Tate Ratledge with the Lions. I liked him
a lot coming out, but he's still really raw.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Yeah. I mean they have a couple of dudes that
are going to be ahead of him.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Wide receiver Kyle Williams with the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
That's a real good chance.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I think guard Dylan Fairchild with the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Both those Georgia guys might need time, but he has
less competition at Cincy.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Running back Caleb Johnson with the Steelers. Definite center Jared
Wilson with the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah, but they had the smaller dude from Minnesota is
a kind of a spot starter. Yeahn't be easy to
He's a part timer probably, but they're a short timer.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Wide receiver Chimeer Dyke with the Titans. Possibly weird receiver room.
I guess Ridley's the only one really guaranteed a starter starter.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Wide receiver still ahead of them.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Took a human or with the Titans as well, and
then uning back Cam Scatibo with the Giants at best.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I think Scatabo is a fifty to fifty guy. Yeah,
Like in the fantasy world, you'd take Tracy over Scatabo, right, Yes,
I would do.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
On the defensive side, of thing the Locks. I don't
know that this is a lock edge. Abdua Carter with
the Giants.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
No, he could be situational, situational guy, isn't it Yeah?
I mean, is he better than Thibodeau today.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Defensive lineman Mason Graham with the Browns.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I would hope.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Edge rusher Michel Williams with the forty nine Ers and
the Niners.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Guy's done in a lot of competition.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Kenneth Grant with the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah, they're the tackle rooms, pretty light.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Linebacker Jalen Walker with the Falcons.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
He's situational, probably too though. Let they have him out
there full time. Him and Pierce just are small. He
can play off the ball, though, Say do they have
him play linebacker or what do they do with them?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Cornerback Johnny Barron with the Broncos. Yeah, but it might
be a nickel, might be the nickel. Right right edge
rusher James Pierce.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
With the Falcons. Situational though, let me treat a first run,
I future first four him. Me better use him.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Safety Malachi Starts with the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I would say that's a yes.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Cornerback Maxwell Hairston with the Bills. I would think and
cornerback Will Johnson with the Cardinals if the needs Okay, yeah,
guys who were on the Cusp edge, Shamar Stewart with
the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, I mean he's not fighting a lot of competition,
but is he going to establish himself as a starter.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Linebacker g Hud Campbell with the Eagles next to Bond, Yeah,
Defensive lineman Alfred Collins with the forty nine.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Ers, Okay, there's a run stuff for early down player.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Linebacker Demetrius Knight with the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I think that's why you draft him. He's a six
year guy. I think they draft him to be a
plug and play guy. It's not for upside. Yeah, I
would be very uncomfortable with that. Cornerback Trey Amos with
the Commanders possibly, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
And safety the late Xavier Watts with the Falcons.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Also traded up for him too. I think that's one
of the beauties of him is he's pretty NFL ready.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Could win a competition.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Defensive lineman Walter Nolan with the Cardinals, Well, I would
hope you win the competition.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
They got like ten defensive linemen though, I mean, okay,
but you would think he's heavily in the mix.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Linebacker Carson Sweeshinger with the Browns, Now, that one better
be a lambing.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
What competition is there? You're right, that better be lamb.
Safety Nick Amuari with the Seahawks. Similar situation.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Right edge guy, Yeah, edge rusher Donovan Azureku where, Yeah,
but don't Dallas Dallas because they listen to Boston College.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I don't think he's there anymore. No, I don't know
he beat every down player for them. I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Safety Andrew mccouba with the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, I think he's gonna be the Gardner Johnson.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Type defensive lineman Darius Alexander with the Giants.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I don't know if he'll be the two right away
next to Lawrence, but he'll be in the rotation.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Cornerback Darien Porter with the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
He's not ready to be a starter, no, I mean
he's just an athlete.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Linebacker Nick Martin with the forty nine Ers.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
You would hope not. I mean they used the third
round pick on him. Yeah, they overdrafted a lot of guys.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Uh. Safety Kevin Winston with the Titans.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, I'm assuming he's over the injury by camp and
all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Cornerback Jacob Parrish with the Buccaneers.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Maybe because they also drafted Morrison ahead of them, but
I would think Parrish has a better chance to be
a Day one contributor. Nose tackle Jamari Caldwell with the Chargers. Yeah,
Punaford's gone.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, Safety Caleb Ransaw with the Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I guess Cisco's gone.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Defensive lineman c J. West with the forty nine Ers.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I don't I can Williams Alferd Collins, and.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
If they do, I.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Mean it's only gonna be early downs for Weston Collins anyway.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Linebacker Cody Simon with the Cardinals.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Maybe he can come down and play on the line
of scrimmage a little bit too.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Safety Latham Ransom with the Panthers.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
It's not a very good safety room. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And linebacker Chris Paul with the Rams.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, their linebacker room is real bad.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
One guy's missing on here. Where's Derek Harmon?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, I guess it depends what they call a starter.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
He's going to be a lot of these guys if
he is not in their starter in their three four
defense on opening day.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Because there's a lot of nickelbacks in there, like Baron's
a first round pick and they call him a starter,
is a starter in Nickel, I think he's got a
great chance.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
You're gonna list all these other nose tackles on there though,
right right right.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I'm not saying he shouldn't be on there, because I
would think he's your three four end yea, which means
he's a starter. And I think he's in the last
category for Nickel and dimes stuff. I think he's at
least on the competition for that stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, I think he's on the cusp.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
In fact, right, I might even have him as virtual lock. Yeah,
tell me he can't be if he can't beat out
Isaiah Louder Milk Lowry in.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Those dudes, right, come on, man, right right right? Yeah,
I tend to agree. I mean, if you're to have
like Weston Collins on there as early down guys in
base defense, then he should absolutely be in there. Any
other Steelers that was it? I mean, is there another
Steelers should be starters? No? No, char right, He's Howard's
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got no.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Chances starting things went bad.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Real bad. I mean that's an injury thing. Yeah, Howard's
starting either things went extremely good, like oh my gosh,
who was this we found out of nowhere? Or there's
certain guys staying retired, you know. But no, yeah, Black
is not going to be a starter. No, there's no
way he out snaps Harmon. No, Johnson should be highest
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on the list, Yeah, and then Harmon and then Rade else.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Actually, to me, Harmon should be higher than Johnson.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I could, I could.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I could create a world where they come out in
the opening series of every game. Jayalen Warren is the
quote unquote starter. They did it with Naujie Harris last.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Year, like when they last two years, when they run
out of the tunnel and they announced the starters. Harmon
has a better chance to have his name called than Johnson,
I would agree, especially week one, Yeah, and probably the
whole stretch as long as Warren's healthy.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, doesn't mean that Johnson's not gonna play a lot,
but he plays more snaps this year between those two.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
That's to be close. That'll be close. I mean, running
backs are not gonna be out there full time, full
time all the time anyway, and Gainwell is gonna play, yeah,
you know, I mean, I don't know how much Patterson
will get backfield snaps, if any but Harmon's will be
out there a fair amount. Yeah, they'll be close. They're
probably both six hundred stap guys.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Something's just kind of surprised they didn't mention him at
all at all.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
I'm wondering how many others every.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Other first round pick I think was pretty much mentioned, right,
Jackson Dart.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yeah, yeah, everyone else should should be. I mean first
round picks always start, not always. Yeah, they at least
in the mix. Yeah, they're definitely listed there. Yeah, drafted
for a reason.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Right, Anyways, I just thought that, I mean, you listened
all Dylan Gabriel, for God's sakes. Yeah, he win a competition.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
He could be fourth, he could be cut, he could
be cut, which just makes that he picks me right,
you're keeping four, you know? Yeah? Right.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
They have never cut a draft pick under Andrew Berry.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Really, Okay, that could change you shoes. Yeah, yeah, they
haven't made a lot lately.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
That's true. Yeah, anyways, let's get to a break. He
is the Matt Williamson. I'm Dale, Lollie. You're listening to
the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt now
will be back to finish up the show right after.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
This, at least He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and
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Speaker 3 (33:05):
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I am Dale Lolly, he is the Matt Williamson and
Matt the Ravens had their rookie mini camp over the
weekend and they did a It must have been like
just a regular Ota sessions. A lot of their veterans
were there and in culture. So Justin Tucker has been.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
In the buildings of news and.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
John Harbaugh was asked about, you know, what's what's going on?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
A kicker?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
He drafted a kicker. He said, every decision we make
has to be based on football. There's a lot of
layers to that. You've got a rookie kicker and you
took him in the sixth round, early in the sixth round.
He's a talented guy just from a football standpoint, salary cap,
all the different things that you take into consideration. Whatever
we decide to do over the next few weeks will
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be based on football. Yeah. I was gonna say, if
Justin Tucker isn't accused of inappropriate behavior by sixteen different
massage therapists, did they draft a kicker. I think the
answer is yes, it might be yes. He was terrible
last year and he's expensive.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
You're like, before I knew he got in trouble Week
twelve of last year, I didn't think he was gonna
be back.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
The funny thing about that whole thing, to me, it
was awfully convenient that all that stuff just happened to come.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Out during the only bad season he's ever had at.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
The end of the only bets it all comes out
after he had his.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Bed, because it didn't all happen after week three years
and it had been years in the making, right right.
I just they're extreme. They're the most media savvy team
out there, and not accusing the Rivals of anything, but
that is awfully convenient. I do think they would have
drafted a kicker no matter what, because I don't think
he's worth the money to be one of the most
expensive kickers in the league at his age for that performance.
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But what I don't like, and I have great respect
for Harbaugh, it's not all about football. It's not all
about football. I mean, when you cut Ray Rice, it
wasn't all about f football, right. I Mean, they're not
the only team that have off the field issue things
that they had to deal with. I mean, Steelers have
had some, everybody's had some. You know, it's not all
about football. If it was all about football, the best players,
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regardless of their behavior off the field, would be the
first picks in the draft. That's on how it goes.
So Tucker last year with their second round pick, have
lasted to the second round if it was all about football. No,
Mike Green, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
So he was eleven of eleven inside of forty yards
last year.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Tucker.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah, okay, he was five of eight from forty to
forty nine yards, six of eleven from fifty plus.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
It was he had a bad year for hit a
bad year, right, right, It's not the worst year and
kicker history.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Not the worst year. Yeah, But the way that they play.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
I would say that his coaching changed with Tucker. It
used to be as soon as they passed midfield, I'll
try him out there no matter what, and you're getting three.
Not anymore now more.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
In the past two seasons, you could make the argument
he is now seven for sixteen from fifty plus and
in the last two seasons.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
And now kickers make it from fifty plus way more
than they did when he was a rookie year or whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
In twenty twenty two, for example, he was nine of
fourteen From fifty and beyond, they tried him fourteen times.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yeah, yeah, one season. Oh you're saying the attempts were
way different. Yeah, because they trusted him more.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
They trusted him more. He's not that guy anymore.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
No, but you know, we just saw him. He's thirty
five years old. We saw him.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Vinatieri kick until he was in his early felt right.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
I was also in a dome. He didn't kick off, right, right.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I just don't tell me. It's all about football.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
That's the problem. I have a problem. That's the statement.
That's the first thing came out of his mouth. Was
all about football. Like, no, it's not everything else you
said after. That's fine, salary cap and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Right, he's too expensive to keep it this, you know,
based on this r My question to you is, has
Tucker hurt his Hall of.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Fame by the letter of the law. He shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I'm not talking about the off the field stuff. Oh,
I'm talking about his play on the field. Is that
as these last couple of seasons, he hasn't made over
ninety percent of us he's made over ninety percent of
his kicks once in the last five years.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I mean, I know that we've gone through this because
Boswell is very much in the equation just lifetime field
goal percentage. He's not as dominant as he was.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
It's not like other guys like they had passed him
at different points last year. Now he's not number one
again right now, but he's at eighty nine point one.
It's not as dominant as it was. And there are
a bunch of kickers, including Boswell, who were at eighty
eight percent and better for their careers.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Especially at that position. But I think it's true for
all Hall of Fame. I'm really concerned with what you
did against your peers of your time, you know, like, yeah,
he should be more accurate than Jon Stenerud, right, I mean,
like it's changed. Or Tom Dempsey that had half a foot,
you know, or Mark Moseley that kicks straight on. They
were all like their best kickers of their generation. They
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had like seventy percent guys and they'd take two attempts
from fifty times have changed, But for the majority of
his career, I think he was clearly the best or
a top two guy like a Julio Jones or whoever
you know, whoever's Aaron Donald or whoever. It was clearly
a long stretch of dominance. But these last couple of
years are kind of like Russell Wilson leaving Seattle, like
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it didn't it hurt your cause more than it helped it.
If you would have retired a couple of years ago.
If he retires four or five years ago or three
years ago, his case is probably stronger. Yeah, and he's
one the only specialists that I think I would vote for.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I think that I would have voted to Mester m
has come off the rose a little bit. He's not
He's not the dominant kicker that he once was.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
And I know, and I mentioned the off the field
stuff because in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, so
I even called the NFL Hall of Fame, right, the
Pro Football Hall of Fame, off the field is not
supposed to be factored in. I think baseball it is.
Pete Rose isn't in et cetera, et cetera, but it is.
I mean, like, I don't know that Antonio Brown's case
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is going to be as smooth as it should be.
I mean, if you just look at on the field
he's in. Yeah, but there is a human element, someone
like yourself. For whoever has to go in front of
a room of their peers and make a case for
the guy, and if their heart isn't in it, you know,
I mean, I give Tucker a much less chance. Now, yeah,
(39:47):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
I just because the career numbers aren't going to be
Like to me, Vinettieri is in consideration because he's the
all time leading scorer. Now I wouldn't vote for him.
He's the hit just because he's the yeah hit, because
you're stuck around for twenty eight years. Yeah yeah, and
from you know, the second half of your career, you
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didn't even kick off or do anything. You never tried
anything beyond fifty after a certain period.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
I mean, you and I would be the worst two
people on the planet to have vinitary br or for
us to represent him in the hall. But that's why
we'd open an argument. Yeah, nobody scored more points than
my guy. At least it's somewhere to start.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
I just look at what Boswell has done compared to
you know what Tucker has done here, Tucker's gotten worse
at the longer field goals as he's gotten older.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
All right. Hypothetical Tucker gets cut, which I think is
strongly a possibility, and never kicks again, Like he may
not get picked up, especially if this stuff looms off
the field. Yeah, never kicks again. Boz has three to five.
Not last year. I mean, he was the best kicker
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to leave. He and if he's a top ten guy
for the next five years, does he have a better
case than Tucker.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Tucker's got all these All pros and all that kind
of like even made he made All Pro in twenty
twenty three or Pro Bowl, I should say, in twenty
twenty three when he was thirty two of thirty seven kicking,
he was one of five from beyond fifty. He probably
shouldn't have gone.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
But especially at that position, there's some positions. Once you
get in, it's hard to not That's the thing. You
just keep going, especially to a Pro Bowl. Maybe not
All Pro.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
But if you look at the Haws All Pro this
year or is it Bailey he was, No, he.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Was, he was number one.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, Okay, I just want to look at the Hall
of Fame monitor.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Tucker hurts bas a little bit too, a little bit
because you're both aft. Yeah, right, right.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
So if you look at the Hall of Fame kicker stuff. Yeah, Ever,
Morten Anderson's.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Number one, he has the best case.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, Adam Vinettieri is number two. But I get it now,
there are only two kickers in the Hall of Fame.
Place Ridge one, right, Anderson, and you're on stener Root.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Tucker right now has fifty six point nine points. The
average Hall of Famer is seventy seven.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
But it's a two person saying.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
But yeah, but Tucker has more points right now, He's
stener Root at fifty six point five to three, okay,
whereas Anderson's at ninety seven point four four or five
Vinity areas at ninety three point seven. Oh, then you
got Gary Anderson at sixty five point nine. Nobody's ever
considered Gary Anderson Nick Lowry at fifty seven point sixty three.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Then you got Tucker. I mean, in my childhood, the
two Anderson kickers were clearly one and two, and one
of them kicked in the Dome.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
The problem is because you know, they take things such
as first team All Pro and Pro Bowls into consideration
right now.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
And it's not like wide receiver where Boswells the guys
go to the Pro Bowl over your eighth or whatever.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Boswell's like twenty eighth on the list at twenty point
three points. He almost has no chance, right, He's behind
Jeff Wilkins, for God's sakes, Jeff that five great years.
He's behind Roy Jirella on you no offense to royd
Jarrell close, It's not even close close, Phil Dawson, Matt Barr,
Bruce Gossip. I couldn't even tell you who Bruce Gossip
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kicked for not I mean either Mike vander Jack.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Yeah. Like if you ask labs who the best Steeler
kicker of all time is or you or me an,
it's boss. It's not even close, right, he's the Steeler.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Historian Matt Prater is ahead of him, Matt Bryant, A Lindo,
maray Sebastian Janakowski.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
But what's hurting Bass? Then? I know he had like
he's had two down years. He just not have enough
awards he's getting.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
He's gone to two Pro Bowls and been first team
All Pro once, but it.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Was the most recent. Yeah, he'd have to string a
few together.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah, and he's again he's he's only kicked for He's
ten years now in the league.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Tucker's at like thirteen fourteen.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Tucker's at he started in twenty twelve, so he's only
got two more years.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
I thought they're about the same age. But bos is
going to keep kicking.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
But Tucker's got five First Team All Pro, seven Pro
Bowls and five first Yeah, that's the difference.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
That's the difference, and he was I think he deserved
those at the time. He was a dominant kicker. Vinetari
three Pro Bowls, he should not. He just that makes
me crazy.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Just hung around forever.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
He didn't even kick off, right, and if it was
longer than a like a forty five yard or he
didn't even go out there in a dome for like
ten years. He made a nice kick in the snow
and he lasted forever.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
And he made a kick in the snow that every
other guy in the league from forty yards would have made.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
They don't. It's not like it's a ten percent eight percentage, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah, Anyway, I mean he does of rings. Yeah he
gets he's got the rings. But anyways, I just thought
that was interesting that.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Harbors what would have to do to get in. He
has to be a rabbit hord. Yeah, he's the best
kicker in Steeler history. Oh clearly. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know if he could get into the Hall
of Fame. It's gonna be awfully difficult.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Yeah, yeah, should be for all kickers really, But anyways,
that's going to do it for our show today. So
for my partner Matt Williamson for Justin Miller here on
site running the Justin Miller soundboard, for Tyler Vittmeyer, making
sure our video gets out there on the YouTube. I
am Dale Lollie. We thank you for listening to this
edition of the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network.
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