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Speaker 1 (00:04):
At least, is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the
Black and Gold in Steelers Nation Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
And we are back. Welcome back. This is our number
two of the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network
and a little time for some fantasy football focus here
and we're going to take a look at the practice
reports for this Weekendeh, better idea that stuff all? Right?
Who's in? Who's out? Because there are some high there's
some high profile players that aren't guaranteed. Those guys I

(00:38):
put together.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
We mentioned how there's there's postseason ones, the one that
I got invited to. You can only use a player once.
So I put together my lineup for week one. But
you got to save some of the big dogs. And
it's kind of fun. Yeah, I urge.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
People to give it a shot. Uh So, the Philadelphia
Eagles released Ian Book, who was served as their third
quarterback last week, but they then signed him back to
their practice squad today. That kind of indicates that they
feel like Jalen Hurts should be cleared to play. Yeah,
it's sure trending that way.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, you know, and it probably means we like you
Ian but we don't need you this week, right, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, it's kind of reading the tea leaves in that one.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
From what I understand, McGee McKee would be Overpicket if
they were to start. Pick is still dealing with that
rib issue. But I think you're gonna get hurts. Yeah,
but what we push push and put his head and
harms away.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
He worried about that. It's spent a little while now, right, Uh,
Malik Willis with that boost your saquon rankings in the
fantasy world, He's already i mean number one. Yeah, there's
nowhere to go about, right. Yeah. Malik Willis and Jordan
Love both got a full practice in Thursday for the

(01:55):
Green Bay Packers, so it looks like they'll have both
of their top two quarterbacks of vail with Love. That's
an elbow issue. I'd be shocked if he doesn't play. Yeah,
you know, yeah, we'll see. But you know, is how
effective is he? Again, it's an elbow issue. They said
it was a funny bone type thing. But you take

(02:15):
a helmet to the to the rolling bar. Yeah, throwing
the ucl it can it can go numb on you
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
A lot of the things that the quarterbacks will say.
In an injury like that is, Yeah, it bothers me.
But what I can't really do is control the football right.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Grip it the way I want.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah, it doesn't come out of my hand. I can't
feel it come out of my hands the same way.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
So Peyton Manning dealt with the last couple of years
in the league and started with his neck and went
all the way down. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
That a lot of these guys like when I throw
an out, I really want to feel the control of
it or and I can't.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Sometimes the ball flutter a little bit on it, kind
of hoping that I get it right. Yeah. You know, quarterback,
if it's a new injury like that, you've done as much,
you haven't done it as much, and your brain might
still think that you can. That's the thing is like
us have to trick your brain or like brain trust me.
I can't throw that. It doesn't feel right, That's how
they describe it.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, And I wonder you know, if you're if you're
Jordan Love preparing for this game, are you ripping out
route after out route to get used to it? Maybe not,
And maybe you're just you know, baby in it. I
don't know that's interesting watching either.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
A J.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Brown held out of practice today for the Philadelphia Eagles.
He's dealing with a knee issue, but he's expected to play.
But this is a Thursday for a Sunday game. Yeah right,
I mean, you know, it is a concern to see
him on there. As mentioned that Hurts practiced again today,
So yesterday was his first day of practice back day

(03:40):
the second day. He must have went well, but he
still has a clear concussion protocol. You still have to
get go to the independent neurologist and be cleared. Okay,
that's where the You just don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
This, right, But at least he's we've gone through concussion
protocol a lot over the years. At least he's taking
the steps.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
I mean, if he wouldn't have been out there today,
it's have been arm bells going on.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, for sure. For sure. Let's see here, Marshaun Lattimore
with that hamstring issue. He practiced today, So that's uh, okay,
he gets Mike Evans. How fun is that? Right? And
he's actually had a lot of success against Evans over.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
The years, more so than you would think, you know,
like Latimore has had a really good career. Evans had
a Hall of Fame career, but Latimore might have won
that battle over the years. You know, if if you'd
give an edge the two he seems to get in
his head.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Gets in his head a little bit. And I think
a lot of times and maybe, you know, for whatever reason,
Evans ends up wanting to fight him more than play.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
That's what I was going to say too, Like Evans
is a class act. I mean, you don't see him
throwing hands or taking cheap shots of people throughout a
really long, good career unless he's lined up against that guy.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, and it just seems he turns into uh, it
gets in his mind. Yeah. We got the news out
of the Chargers practices this from yesterday. Since they haven't
completed their practices yet. Rashaun Slater was back getting a
full practice yesterday. It's huge for them because they were
playing alt on the left side and he wasn't on

(05:09):
the rookie. He was good over there.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
No, and Slater really is a top three left tackle.
He's been really, really good. And I'm not super impressed
with Houston, but their edge guys are about as good
as the gear Hunter and Anderson as a really good pairing,
They have good corners, they got good edge guys. I'm
sure they'll address up the middle of the defense. But
the defense in general is pretty good. But that kind

(05:31):
of plays against the Charger strengths too. But if Later's
not out there, that'd be a problem.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah. Quentin Johnston with a thigh issue and an illness
misspractice yesterday for them.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
He's kind of important all of a sudden. Yeah, I mean,
after a really garbage rookie year. To be honest with you,
he's been productive.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
You know. Gus Edwards and JK. Dobbins both limited yesterday
for the Chargers while dealing with ankle issues. Do you
think Zeke gets involved. I didn't sign him for no reason. Yeah, right,
It's not just for posterity, because I mean, who's win
a race right now, Zeke or Gus Edwards for me? Right?

(06:09):
Or the four of us in there right? Yeah, I
don't know. It's not great. Yeah, looking at some other
stuff here we mentioned I think we mentioned it yesterday
in the in the area that the forty nine ers
have said they're gonna release Javon Hargrave. I don't know
if we did talk about it. You and I have
talked about it. We talked about it off the area. Yeah. Yeah,

(06:30):
it's gonna be a June first designation. So they're gonna
spread his contract out over the next two years. There's
a lot of those coming down the pipe here. Yeah.
John Lynch said he wants to They're open to re
signing him. If I'm Javaughn like well, they also have
new defense coordinate. I'm not interested in coming back on
less money than I signed with you for because now
that now the way the way that goes is he

(06:54):
got injured. He heard no, Yeah, but he has to
then go back into that locker room on a lesser deal, right,
And everybody knows, and everybody knows, and he's been a
good player for them.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
I've been a good player period over career. He's had
some good contract right.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I would one hundred percent be interested in bringing back
to von Hargrave. If I'm the Steelers, I would be
very very interested. I mean to me, it would kill
almost a couple problems. And I know it's not off
season roster building time, but they don't want Casey Hampton
on the nose anymore. And while Hargrave looks like that
he's got the huge button. He's thick, and he's you know,

(07:30):
but he's an off the ball, upfield guy and he
could hold the point. Fine.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
He's still playing really well. I don't know if this injury.
Last I saw him, he was playing really well. It's
always you know, your doctors have to get involved. But
I don't know if Ogan Joby's going to be back
one hundred percent, because he's a pretty good calf hit.
You know, he's had injuries over his career. But if
you had Hargrave at the nose, move Benton to Ogan
Jobi's spot, you might be better on two spots, you know.

(07:55):
And I think at this stage of Hargrave's career he
wouldn't be the Eagles contrac or certainly or the Niners contract.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, he's not super young. He came into legally thirty one.
Yeah he's thirty one, you know, to your deal. You know,
if the Steelers had known what was going to go
down with steff on to it, they probably find a
way to resign Jevon Hargrave.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
I've said just a million times on the air that
he was probably the one recently that I felt me.
But I also think they agreed, you know that That
really breaks my heart to see him go. Yeah, homegrown
talent that you got a lot out of. It was
a good marriage between player, scheme, system, all the above
just couldn't afford.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
You know, you're already paying I mean Hayward and to it,
we're both making ten plus million a year. You couldn't
have been had a big contract. You couldn't have right,
you know, forty million dollars tied up in your defensive line.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, that one hurt to see him walk out the door.
A lot of them you see coming a mile away.
That one was like, man, I wish you could figure
out some way to finagle it.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Did not let him go. Yeah, and then as it
worked out, you know, to it's gone out that year
and now Javon Hargraves is a star for the Eagles,
and then then you know it's.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Like, yeah, but schematically and price, I think they would
make a lot of sense, a lot of sense at
least call them on Fresh News.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
You do that. Well, you're not going to do it now? Well,
I know obviously they haven't. They haven't released him yet.
That would happen sometime prior to the starter free agency.
They would. That's that's what I wasn't sure about it.
The other wait till free agency opens or if he's
if he's released before that, you just do yeah, because
they would they would have to do that. The forty

(09:35):
nine Ers have announced that they're going to do it. Yeah,
it does. Can't do it yet. They can do it
once everything's set here and they have to They'll do
it when they have to comply with the salary cap. Yeah,
which is well before free agency opens. Well, you have
to be compliant by the time free agency opens on
that new league year date. So going to extend party
in the meantime, it would happen sometime before that that

(09:56):
they would release, probably about a week before. Because you
don't do until you have to. Yeah, I mean, there's
no reason to do it now.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, but they hypothetically the Steelers could sign him before
free agency open.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Absolutely, And the beauty of that is it doesn't hurt
your compis it doesn't comp there's a lot of ut
like about it. Yeah, so that would make me very sense. Yeah.
Fresh news year that JK. Dobbins officially listed as questionable
for the wild Card round game.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
It's a big deal, like you said, Edwards, and I
don't know Zeke's ready or not. But those guys are
pedestrian runner.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, these are the Saturday games Josh Palmer ruled out.
Hmmm that hurts that, Yeah, it does. They don't have
a ton of firepower. They are been putting up more
points and they're playing well right now, but it's kind
of a thin line in terms of their weaponry. Yeah,
Quinton Johnston officially limited, questionable, I should say, especially if
he's not. Yeah, so I don't see anything yet on

(10:49):
Gus Edwards, but man, you don't want to have to
go into a playoff game with Gus Edwards as your
name back. Absolutely not. And you're and you're missing Palmer,
you know, potentially Johnston is. Yeah, that's not good.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
I mean Disley's been okay, Smart's been okay. They're not
feature players.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, Maconkie is. But if they can focus all their energies,
they being the Texans, can focus all their energy. Hey,
we're gonna take this guy away from them. I mean
Stingley will be on him a lot. I don't know
if he'll follow him the slot probably not where mcconkye
does a lot of work. But that doesn't mean you
can't have a lot of bracket coverage out of the
slot with Stingley locking down someone else on the outside.
I would almost I would go to Stingley and say, hey,

(11:27):
follow him around, can you do that? Can you get
because I'm sure he'll say you go into the No
matter if you're an outside corner or not, there are
times when somebody you move into the hash and and
somebody's outside of you're effectively in the slot. Yeah. Yeah,
you can do it with guys, and if he's their
best guy, I want my best guy on him, particularly

(11:48):
because Mconkie's not one of these smaller slot type guys.
Oh no, Like he's a six six foot six foot
one guy who just happens to both that happens to
play out of the slot.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
I really think Stingley's a top three corner right now,
and he's playing better than ever and certainly could handle it.
One of the reasons they don't do a lot of that, though,
is then you're gonna get Joe Mixon running, or not
Joe Mixon, you're gonna get you know, Dobbins or whatever
running at your slot corner. Right, Okay, So what yeah,
I mean, it's it's a playoff game.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
You know, right, Yeah, do you put your best guys
on their best guys and say, oh, let's have at it.
I wonder if it's could be a low scoring game.
I would almost bet that it is. Yeah. I mean
Texans aren't blocking anyone. I mean the Chargers defensively don't
give up a ton of points and they don't necessarily.
I know they scored more than thirty the last three games,
but who they play.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
But they're not a high fly on so they're not
built that way yet. Yeah, that's for sure step one.
And Houston does not block or protect anybody.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah. I think that's to be a problem that could
be in the teams. Yeah, it could be so interesting.
It may make somebody like a Disley, We're a stone
smart more interesting for yeah, see purposes, right, I mean,
did they get they got to throw the ball to somebody.
They get thirteen targets between the two of them. It's possible, possible. Yeah. Again,
the controlled stuff you're gonna take, You're gonna try to

(13:09):
take Maconkey away and they can't. Really, I don't know
what the dom is out is really worrisome. Yeah, I
mean he's been good. Yeah, so keep an eye on that.
One of the success stories of the year. Absolutely. Yeah.
Nobody talks about him as a possible comeback player of
the year. And I understand he missed some time, right,
but he came back for who's who's come back for
more than that guy? Yeah. I think he signed like
for a million bucks, you know, just yeah, give me

(13:30):
a job. I'll do anything. I'll wash dishes, I'll do
a nine hundred yards this year, yeah, miss good. Yeah,
revitalize his career. Yeah, So I think he's a free
agent after the year he is. Yeah, one next deal,
kind of approve it and he'll be in the mix
with somebody did. But he didn't. He got because he
did get hurt again.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
That's what it said. I was like, I almost said, well,
he'll be a starter for someone next year. I'm like,
maybe not. Maybe it'll be him in a fourth round pick,
you know, or something.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Like that, or him and Jaylen Warren, you know, Yeah,
somebody who's a high end numbered I'm not saying here,
but I'm saying a high end number two guy, him
Enrico dowd av Yeah, something like that. Yeah, right, it
would make a ton of sense. Yeah, because he's still effective.
I don't know that I can give trust trust him,
trust trust him right, good point. Yeah. Anyways, that's going
to do it for the fantasy football focus here today,

(14:15):
Matt and are gonna take a break. We'll be back
with more right after this. At least.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven home of the Black and
Gold in Steelers Nation Radio.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
And we are back. I am Dale Lolly, he is
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(14:56):
your comments. A lot of people on the comments section
and don't get the Steelers much of a chance this week, Matt. Yeah,
it seems to be a national perception, a local perception.
No chance.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Wouldn't even play the game, yeah, I mean we were
just talking about even like Houston Chargers, and I think
Houston's in a really bad spot.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
But as we were talking through it, I'm like, you
could win the game. Yeah, right right.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
I mean I think Denver is a chance in Buffalo.
I mean, like, these are all good football teams. This
is a playoff football.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
It's win in the playoffs, it absolutely is. We're going
to change up gears here a little bit. And because
the season is, the regular season is now over. Yeah
how about that? Is this though? I'm psyched.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
I mean we got college football tonight, college football tomorrow.
I mean the street continues starting tonight up until.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
I'm enjoy tomorrow night in elimination games, watching you know,
watching Ohio State, Texas. Yeah, from Baltimore, I'm recording a
night show with a great way to spend an evening. Yep,
gording a night show to night with Mike and Meryll
and then go home and dig into Penn State game. Yeah,
whats some prospects? Absolutely Unfortunately for Notre Dame, a lot

(15:58):
of their good defensive prospects are out, are they Yeah,
they're banged up defensive.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
I thought, so, Yeah, they get some dudes. They got
some dudes. They got a corner, like a lot corner.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
A couple of defensive linemen are not high round picks,
but would be interesting. The Mills kid to me, I'm
watching him. I'm like, he's not He's And again we've
talked about this is a great defensive tackle draft. Yeah,
there's some dudes that you can get in those later rounds,
like a guy like that to be like, I could
see him being a Steeler.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
I mean, if you're thinking more nosyish type guys.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Nose are an end that. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm talking
like fourth, fifth round, sixth round guys. He'll make somebody's team. Yeah, yeah, No,
it's a it's a rich prop. It's a good crop.
Speaking of rookies, Yeah, looking here at the thirty third team,
we just said about that, we're pumping them up today.
Marcus mosher On earlier today and Tyler Brooks for them,
has put together the All Rookie team for the NFL

(16:52):
this year. Actually a pretty good class. I said.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
The offense in particulars kind of historic. Yeah, it's a
really good group. Defense isn't terrible either.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
So looking at the quarterback he chose Jayden Daniels, I
think you have to you can make a case O
for Nicks.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
You could, And I just saw this and I don't
think of them in the same light. But if you
just look at Nicks or Daniels and Williams throwing stats
are really not that different, you know, like everyone's talking
about one of them is this transcendent new player and
the other one's a total bust already. I'm like, he's
up a little bit. But Daniels is clearly the better
player and better prospect right now.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
I mean his team went twelve and five too. That
doesn't way out kick their coverage. Yeah, second pick the
draft last year. Absolutely, his second team guy was Nicks. Agreed,
so agreed. But I mean, if you think about it,
like Drake May wasn't bad. Oh, I mean as bright
a future as all of those guys. Yeah, yeah, really,
it wasn't a bad year for the rookie quarterbacks. Pennic.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
It's still an incomplete but he looks okay. And McCarthy's
still sitting out there. He gonna be a starter for
somebody next year.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, This class this year not nearly is does deep
or star studded.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
No, No, I'm not sure that there'll be a late
round guy. But to Rattler played a little, you know
what I mean, But they're six starters probably.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Ratler actually showed some getting better improvement, getting better. Ye. Yeah,
at running back. Pick two, you had Bucky Irving and
Tyrone Tracy.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
I would put him in that order. Is that what
he did too? Yeah, and they're both impressive. I mean
they're not the biggest guys in the world. Irving's really
hard to tackle and Tracy's a converted wide receiver wide receiver.
They both I think have bright futures.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah. On his second team, he had Ray Davis with
the Bills and Brayln Allen with the Jets. I thought
it kind of shows you that rookie running back class
was not as good this year. Well, this year's class
was really deep blowed away. Yeah, really deep. It's interesting.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Like one of the conversations we had with Marcus Unlocked
on Dynasty was he was asking me, who are some
of your targets next year? You know who you went
trade for in Dynasty this year? I said, no running backs,
because there's too many of them coming. They're all going
to like lose share almost, Like how many running backs job.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Is as safe this year as it will be opening
day next year. Not many? Not many. It's gonna be interesting.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
And I could see the Steelers going in that. Well, yeah,
it makes a lot of sense. I mentioned this to
you guys today. I was listening to a podcast with
mel Kiper. He's like, I have I have thirty five
draftable grades on running backs. Yeah, I mean you'll get
undrafted free agents. It might make teams.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
It's gonna be a it's gonna be a good class. Uh.
Wide receiver. The guys were Brent Gray, Class, Brian Thomas,
and Malik Neighbors. I think the first team guys. The
other guys are great. The second team guys were Lad
McConkie and Marvin Harrison.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Do you think Harrison's disappointing? He should be fourth on
that list, But I'm not sure that means he's disappointing.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
He had an OK year. Yeah, it wasn't it was.
I mean there was a little bit too much hype
around him. If he had been in it on it,
if he had been in New York, If you flip
flopped where he went and where Neighbors went, would their
numbers be similar. The targets might be the target. It's
all from wide receivers. It's all about the targets. Yeah,
That's why I like Lad McConkey a lot going into

(20:02):
the draft last year. But when he landed with the Chargers.
I'm like, he's going to be great this year because
they don't have anybody else to throw to it.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
He's pro ready and right right, I mean if they
signed Higgins or something, it's usually it might go down.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Right.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Thomas is the one that really blew me away. Like
I liked them a lot, but I didn't think his
situation was wonderful. I didn't think he could just transcend
the matter. Whose quarterback is?

Speaker 2 (20:22):
They got a dude? Yeah. This year's wide receiver class,
from my initial looks at, it doesn't have the stars
as this and I don't know that it's quite as
deep as we've seen in some recent years. I think
there's still players they have caught my eye, and some
of those beyond first round guys, but I don't know
that there's twenty that are gonna you know.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
I get the feeling this position will always be rich. Yeah,
you know, every year you can get a receiver on
Day two, day three. But I definitely don't think it's
as strong as this class. Yeah, and this is going
to be a really good.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Class at tight end Rock Bowers, Yeah, it was pretty easy.
It's the best rookie year ever. Uh, second team er
A J. Barner with the Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Pretty big drop off, Like, I can't think of anybody
else that's any other rookie tight ends.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
It really excites you. I can't think of anyone.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Who It was the second one draft that I can't
even remember who that is off the top of my head.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
This looks like a really good class.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yeah, this is gonna be pretty good. Familiar with the
Penn State kid than I do. He'll probably go in
the first round. Yeah, Michigan's got a guy. Yeah, she's
really good for the class there.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Uh, the offensive hours is the best tight end in
the league. I think it's kid in the league. No,
I don't. I don't yet either, but he's again, it's
all about it's all about the target. That's the thing.
It's all about the target. The numbers are better than
the player. Yeah, offensive tackle. You're looking at Joe Alt
and Roger rosen Garten. Who the Steelers will see this week?

(21:50):
It's I won't. I don't want to say. I know
that I would have gone rosen Garden there.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
The thing is, I don't know who else would be.
It was such a strong class. There were a lot
of injuries that a lot of guys swapping sides. Latham
didn't really quite live up to it. I think the
future who was Yeah, he's decent too. Yeah, I think
this will go down as a good tackle class. It's

(22:16):
just not Chapter one didn't go as planned.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
The interesting thing is his second team guys are DJ
Glaize with the Raiders and Amarius Mims with the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Both of them didn't play a ton of snaps either.
They weren't opening day starters, took bad play from the
Raiders and an injury, and then Mims got hurt again.
There's still a lot upside with those guys.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah. Again, let's seck tackles in a year or two
from this, right, Yeah. Uh, the Guards, Dominic Pooney from
the forty nine ers. McCormick on there, Mason McCormick, Okay,
I think that's worthy. I think that's that's should be there.
Your second team was Jackson Powers, Johnson and Isaiah Adams
with the Cardinals. They picked the right too. Yeah, and

(23:00):
bet he took a Steeler center too. I'll bet that
could be the case here. But uh, the interior offensive line,
I don't know, is great this year, this upcoming year. Yeah,
I understand it's a bad center class. Yeah, I don't
think the offensive line this year as a whole is great.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Even the top guys seem to have warts. You know,
like Banks is a little bit short.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
You know, they're looking at a lot of the tackles
when he might have to kick in the guard.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, that kind of there seems like a lot of
those in general, a lot of tackles to guard.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, where there's not the alt it's like that's entagle. Yeah.
So the Steelers may have made the right move long
term taking three offensive linemen this year. I agree. I agree.
I think that's that's where the value is at. Yeah,
and again, Mason McCormick is your fourth round pick. And
I don't think you'd want to go into this draft
wanting a center either. No, they don't. They don't need one. Yeah, uh,

(23:50):
they starting or the top center Zach Frazier should be.
Barton was really good too, though he's not even his
second team guys in the second team guy Tanner Bordolini with.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
The Colts wasn't not an opening day starter, was not.
He did play well, but I'm surprised.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
It's not Barton. I am too, and Bordelini was a
guy that you know, we looked at early in the
draft process because of course the Steelers were in the market.
We dug into centers. You know. Again, hard to go
wrong with those Wisconsin offensive linemen.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
He's pretty athletic guy, too, good combine and like everyone,
we'd like those top three centers, including Powers Johnson the best.
But then it was like, well, if you gets shut
out on those guys, take Bordolini in the fourth take
for McCormick was in my next favorite.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Actually yeah yeah. Edge rushers Jared vers Chop Robinson. Robinson
came on really strong. Yeah, he's much more than a
finesse player. I thought he was kind of in a
Dockway type and he's not. He's a good player. The
second team layout too late two and Jonah Ellis with
the Broncos.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Okay, Ellis is buried, but he's been good. I thought
lay two would be a little better. I thought he
was a little more pro ready.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Not he's disappointing, but I think it's a little but
be a little further along. The defensive tackles to and
Andre Sweat with the Titans and Braden Fisk with the Rams.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Very different, very different different. I didn't see Sweat coming.
I was very critical of the Titans using a very
early second round pick on him.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
He's been really good. Yeah, and Fisk has been really good. Yeah.
Steelers had some interest in him as well, a lot
of people as well. You know, he's got shorter arms,
does seem to matter. He's got a high motor. He
does hat eight and a half sacks this year. Yeah,
eight and a half. If you've got a motor and
you're smart, is good, get off and right, you're gonna

(25:41):
get sacks. Cale van Noy is a perfect example of that.
Like Cay, van Noy doesn't do anything that wows you know,
it's highlight real sacks isn't like DJs, but he is relentless.
He just keeps coming and do your job. Yeah. Uh.
The second team was Byron Murphy and Jerson Newton, who
also were highly draft of guys. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
I could see the second team guys having better careers
than the first team guys. I mean there's a lot
of talent there too. Yeah, all four of them are.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah. Yeah, and that Bud Well, this is a great
defensive tackle. Is yea love to get one the off
ball linebackers Edgrian Cooper. He was better than I thought too,
especially the season. War On made a lot of plays
and Peyton Wilson, I said, I only who else would
be in the mix besides Cooper.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Cooper kind of runs away with best of the group. Okay,
I mean it's it's odd that he's the number three
slash rotational guy, but he had a good season.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah. Yeah. The second team group was Tyrese Knight with
the Seahawks and Omar Speeds with the Rams. Okay, fine, yeah,
not a great class coming in. We knew that. Yeah,
but the Steelers do have a keeper there in Peyton
Wilson who kind of the same thing with Braden Fisk.
All his arms are too short, doesn't seem to bother him. Yeah, yeah,
you know, he makes plays, he does. He's also six ' four.

(27:01):
He's not five to ten with short arms. He's six
four with shorter arms. Have an odd build for linebacker
in general. Yeah, if you're six to four and you
have short arms for being six four, you're still pretty
long arms. Right right at cornerback Nate Wiggins and Quinyan Mitchell.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Wiggins is doing his best work of late too, So
I agree with that. Not a bad corner class. They
didn't go super high. I assume they'll call Degene a corner.
Does he call him? Is he a second team?

Speaker 2 (27:30):
He did not. For the second team, cornerbacks are Kamari
Lassiter and Tharib Steel with the Chargers.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Okay Lassiter is It's funny there's a couple of dudes
Kyle Hamilton Lassiter that didn't run great at the Combine
and have gone on to be immediate contributors. I think
the scouting world's changing, Like we don't ask you to
get in in a stance and run forties like we

(27:57):
all with pads on, right, How we.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Actually have that there? Yeah, the next gen stuff changes
some of that. I think it's changing it fast. Yeah,
and they do. Actually one of the things that they
do at the Senior Bowl is they do time guys
during practice. Yeah yeah, you get some time. Yeah fast.
One of the things I do track when I'm down there,
as we will say, make it it's available, and so
I'll look at Okay, here was the fastest guy of

(28:19):
the week at different positions and things of that nature.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
I mean it's real speed, it's not track. I mean,
I'm not a track expert. But they'll all tell you
the most important things are start. Well, you don't get
to do that in the NFL pads on. I mean
it's kind of goofy.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
How do you run when you know when you have
to flip your hips and yeah, do it that way.
Those first couple of steps coming out of the blocks
is super important world. Yeah. Absolutely, But not a bad
cornerback draft. No last this year. No, do they do
slots or something? I said the gene didn't get mentioned
slot defender. Yes, and that would be a Cooper Dejeane.

(28:52):
The first team guy, Andrew Phillips from the Giants.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Nice career too for nice season two. Giants Actually didn't
have a bad rookie class.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
No, nor did the Steelers pay now and they have
a couple of and you're still your first round picks
still hasn't gotten on the field or or your three.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yeah, so there's people down to the facility today. We're
pretty happy about Lee.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah at safety, Malik Mustafa from the forty nine ers
and Cameron Kinchin from the Rams. Good enough great? Yeah? Yeah. Uh.
The second team guys were Kaylen Bullock with the Texans
and Tyler Nuban with the Giants.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
We got another Giant that came in and played early.
They were all second to fourth round picks, and we're fine. Yeah,
I don't know if there's ain't stars in that game.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
And you can find guys like that, yeah, yeah, in
those you know, second to fourth rounds that can come
in and be your slot or come in and be
a safety or slot safety or whatever it may be.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
And I might be interested in this class for the
Steelers a slot safety. Yeah, you know, I think that
would be something of appeal. Yeah, bigger than Beanie.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yeah. I think Beanie Bishop has shown enough that, you know,
as he continues to mature and get more playing time, Right,
he can be my down the field guy, like I
think he'll be on the team next year. Yeah, but
I need my my run stopping, my run stopping slot
that's going to be out there maybe more. Yeah, I agree.
I think that'll be something to address. So that's something

(30:15):
to keep an eye on. That's one thing. You know,
when I'm looking at some of the safeties in the
draft class, how much how much slot did they play
in in in college? More and more? Yeah, right, It's
not uncommon anymore.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
It's not like you're a strong or a free and
a lot of these guys are also very slot capable. Yeah,
I can see always being the market for that guy. Yeah,
Brian Branch is a perfect example. Oh yeah, I mean
that's the home run. Yeah, but they don't go in
a round one, right, you know you could get that
guy in the third round who's one of the best
in the draft at it or you know, sant Is Drull,
he's had a really good season.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
I'm actually shocked he's not on here. I am too,
and now I think about it, he's pretty good. He's
better than most of the corners. Yeah, I'd love to
have him. Oh yeah, it's perfect fit. We've we've done
a good job of identifying the slot.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
We liked, Jean saying is thrill Like if you go
back and check out our Mack drafts and what March April,
a lot of those.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Dudes hit that we end up picking for the Steelers.
A lot of dudes hit, and a lot of them
became Steelers. Yeah, a lot of them became Steelers. A
lot of them are playing very well in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
There were a lot of guys we liked a lot. Yeah,
Thomas the receiver in Jacksonville was a guy. Sometimes we
grabbing the first round the jeane a lot, a lot. Yeah,
these guys have been good.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, so I might know a little bit about what
we're talking about. And I'm like the draft starting to
night kind of I am too, And I'll watch the
game snight with that in mind. But we still got
a game to talk about here. The Steelers are not done,
and we have plenty to talk about in terms of
what's going on with this football team. We'll do that
when we return. He is the Matt Williamson. I am

(31:47):
Dale Lolly, and this is the drive on the Steelers
Audio Network.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
At least, he's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the
Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
And we are back. I am Dale Lolly. He is
the Matt Williamson and well, this is the drive on
the Steelers Audio Network. And Matt, for the Steelers to
win this game, they have to win the turnover battle. Yeah.
I tend to agree.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
I mean winning in the margins, but especially the turnover
battle first and foremost, definitely don't lose it.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, you can't lose it. And I mean, ideally you
need to win it. And I'm not saying you need
to win it convincingly. It doesn't need to be five
to one or five to nine or anything like that.
But it can't be one to one. It can't be
you know, one and they have two. It could be,
but it's where those turnovers happen to.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Yeah, I just think the the current state of the
Steeler offense isn't going to be like we had a
couple of turnovers, but we came back and threw for
four hundred yards and ripped you up.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
It's just not where they're at right now.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
And I do think the defense though, on the other hand,
is highly capable of creating them.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, and maybe even scoring on.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Defense or special teams or blocking and kick you know,
or something like that too, you know.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
I mean that would go a long way. Yeah. I
look at the some of the things that have happened
here over the last month for the Steelers, and that's
the thing to me that stands out the most. If
you look at that first that ten and three start,
they were plus fifteen in turnover margin. Crazy, right over

(33:34):
the last four games, it's been plus one. Now the
offense in two of those games won against the Ravens
and the other one against the Chiefs. Turn the ball
over twice in each of those games. If you look
at it, that they only had four games all season
when they turned.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
The ball over twice, So not only a turn Now,
some of it's the opponent, you mean, But some of
it's just bad luck. Some of it's fumble luck that
we've talked about a lot. Some of it's just untimelyvers
And you're not gonna get away with it against Philly,
in Kansas City and Baltimore and these teams, I mean,
or in the playoffs for that matter, it is not.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
The Chiefs an't gonna get away with it. The Bills
aren't going to get away with it. You know.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
You start having untimely turnovers or careless unforced errors, you
get bounced pretty quick.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
In the playoffs. Absolutely, if you look at it, the
Steelers had eleven turnovers as a team in their losses, okay,
in the seven losses in the set. In the ten
wins this season, they turned the ball over seven times.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
That adds up. I mean, it's so much better than
it used to be. You know, when we did this
in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty two. Well, they threw
a pick, probably not gonna win, so you've advanced it
that way, but it's still like the most crucial stat
in football, and to the Steelers as much as any
team out there.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Yeah, there's also a narrative out there that that Russell
Wilson isn't playing well right now, and while he is,
isn't playing as well as he was earlier in the season.
I understand that. Sure do we forget that he didn't
have George Pickens for three of those games? I know it.
We just throw that out the window, and Russell Wilson

(35:11):
has to elevate everybody when all season long, all I've
heard from Steeler fans is, boy, their receivers beyond George
Pickens aren't very good. Yeah, you can't have it both ways. Yeah,
it's not very good. The Steelers tried to address that
over and over again. Yep.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
And he's definitely at the top of the list of
players you could at least afford to lose or players
that can not have a good game right right right,
And no one's happy with how he played in Week eighteen,
No including him flooky of course. Yeah, but he needs
to show up and be one of the best players
in this game. I mean, there's just no question about that,
even if the stat line doesn't reflect it. I mean,

(35:47):
if he's drawing dpi's downfield, if he's drawing consistent double coverage,
if he scares the heck out of him and is
highly engaged in making plays, you'll be in it.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, have a real difference maker. And here's the thing
about Pickens, And I mentioned this earlier in the week.
You know, he's he's taking it as an affront to
a personal slapping the face that he hasn't made the
Pro Bowl. We've been you know, hasn't been considered in
that in that uh you know realm yet Yeah. Yeah,

(36:18):
and three of the other AFC North wide receivers now,
Chase is one thing. He's making it the best of
business right now, right. I guarantee you if you gave
George Pickens truth ser Yeah, and you said was a
Flowers and Judy, Jerry, Judy made it in the division,
I guarantee you, Well, I'm a better player than those guys.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
And I think he's right, Yeah, especially Judy. I mean,
Judy to me is a distant third. Pickens is. I mean,
Greg cos elsay this all the time. He's a top
three or four talent at the position in the league.
And he's progressed pretty well. I mean in considering how
raw of or out runner he was. Consistency and volatility
are still issues obviously, but I who knows. If he

(36:58):
doesn't get hurt, maybe he's a Pro bowler. Yeah, I
mean I like his chances over Judy. He would have
been over a thousand yards, yeah yeah, a couple more touchdowns,
yeah right, But he gets an opportunity in this game.
After the Pro Bowl teams were announced last.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Week, every eye in America on him, every eye in
America on you, their guy who was named to the
Pro Bowl. He ain't playing in this game. I'm gonna
go out and show I should have made it over him.
I guarantee you that's going through Jordan, like I'm gonna
go out there and dominate this game. I sure hope so,
because he can dominated, and not that he doesn't go
into every game doing but everybody, they were all human.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
I mean, you have a little something extra, you know,
and something like this, and he played his worst game
the last we saw him.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I don't think that's the player, No, nor do I. I
expect him to bounce back in a big way. I
do too.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
I do too, and I you think they'll get him
involved early and often.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
I mean they did try to get him involved early
in the last game against the Bengals, and they threw
him the quick out. He lost the yardage on it.
They ended up having to punt. They didn't have the
ball much the rest of the half.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yeah, I would like seeing more, but there wasn't a
ton of opportunities. Yeah, there's only so many snaps to
go around. I can sit here and complain that. Boy,
I'd like them have gotten pickings of ball more in
the first half. After that, I'd like Warren to got
more attempts, you know, Like there's only so many snaps.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
They only ran like twenty plays in the whole first half. Yeah,
like it, that's not enough.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
And they ran the ball a lot, which I don't
think they'll run the ball's highest percentage.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Of this game. I don't think so either. I would.
I would attack a little bit more in this game,
and I would take those shots early. I want to
try to get a lead in this game. And I know,
you know from talking to Arthur Smith their game plan
against the Ravens the second time around. If you remember,
they had that that pass play that they threw to
Scronic that kind of kickstarted the offense with the with

(38:45):
their second drive. That was supposed to be the first
play of the game for that offense. That was the
now they could go off. That was the script. Was
that play that they they Hey, this is gonna work.
Nobody's gonna expect Scornic here. We're going to throw the
ball to score. And it turned out to work. Yeah,
they couldn't do it from their own three. That's what
you're saying.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Okay again, scripts are great, but they get altered.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Very quickly too. Yeah, you know. I mean it's.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
This is our approach to the game, and maybe a
script sometime isn't. I'm going to run this play here,
and then I'm gonna run this one. Then I'm gona
run this one no matter what.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
That's what that's the pushback I got in that when
I mentioned it before. Well, you can still run that
play from the three. Well yeah you can, but what
happens when you get the holding penalty in the you know,
or somebody doesn't drastically go wrong? Yeah? Right, when you're backing. Yeah,
you got First of all, you got to get out
of your own end zone. Your quarterbacks standing in his
end zone taking a snap. Yeah, that's not good. No,
every team in the league basically runs the ball in

(39:41):
that situation to get some room.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
And then I know you don't want to you know,
your goal to be a punt, but you don't want
your punter with his heels on the back of the
end zone either.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
I mean, a lot of bad stuff happen. A lot
of bad things can happen in that situation early in
a football game. Yeah, you can't win a football game
necessarily early in the game, but you can lose it,
is it right? And that would be one way to
do that because now you're okay, you just gave them
two points and or they recover a fumble in the
end zone or something like that, holding holding end zone.

(40:10):
Now you're doing a free kick. They're gonna get the
ball at the thirty five to forty yard line again,
and right back on defense.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Now, I don't think anybody would fight us that Steelers
need to start quick, absolutely. I mean, the slow starts
are hard to overcome, and that really worries me in
this environment against this team. Now, I'm not saying they
have to walk down and score the first time they
get the ball.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
That'd be nice. I mean one of the things that
you need to do in a playoff game in another
team stadium, one of the big things that you have
to do is they're gonna come out fired up. Oh yeah,
the place is gonna the fans are going to be
fired up. It's a night game. They they're gonna have
been in the parking lots all day long. They're gonna
be fired up. It's the Steelers. They hate the Steelers.

(40:53):
They hate the Steelers. There's gonna be an emotional wave
early in that football game that you're gonna have to
deal with. You're gonna have to deal with. You have
torn that wave and ride it out. And you do that,
as I said yesterday, I think you do that by
putting your defense on the field and getting a stop.
We're getting a strip sack or getting a turnover, two
or three first downs on offense. Isn't just going to

(41:13):
quiet that. No, that doesn't quiet anything down. Now. It's
going to be a long, prolong battle. Yeah, And once
that wave is over, things start to settle back in
a little bit you're gonna get. It wouldn't surprise me
to see the Ravens come out playing as well as
there as they've played in recent weeks. Sure, and then
that that that emotional high kind of wears off a
little bit, and you're in your home crowd and everybody's

(41:33):
cheering you on. You're you're the gladiator. You've walked out,
everybody's cheering for you. There's that emotional wave, but you
have to ride you have to ride it out. You
have to hold your own early to win it late. There.
I mean, you've been in that building. I haven't.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
I'm sure there will be a distinct home field advantage. Yes,
I mean there's just no question. Yes, in that environment,
as you said, night game Steelers is as big as
the Ravens ever have one.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah at home, you know, But in this particular game,
in these in this with these two teams, when these
two teams have met over the years, home field advantage
hasn't really been It hasn't been a massive advantage for
either team.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
No, it hasn't. I'm not exactly sure why. I mean,
you've been in the building.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
I think it's just a comfort level.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Okay, I know what I'm getting into when I walk
in here. Yeah, there's actually some former Ravens on the
team and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Steelers are fifteen and fourteen all time at M and
T Bank Stadium, and there wasn't like a stretch where
the Browns were terrible. You just walked in there and
they've been a good football team for a long time
and you still held your own down there.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Yeah, you know that. I'm sure they'll handle that fine. Yeah,
or at least have been there. It doesn't make it easy.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
It doesn't make it easy. And you know what you
can't do is you can't make the big mistake early
and yeah, have a punk block, allow the exactly, allow
the crowd. That's another way to take the team that
home field event. Make a play on special teams, you
block upon or something. I keep coming back to special team. Yeah, yeah,
that goes a long way.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Scornik or Pierre smashes you know. Okay, you have you
three and out. Your punt gunner runs down and blasts
their Soso punt returner and ball comes out, you know,
like or block a punt or block a kick or
boy Tucker misses. The Ravens have a nice drive. The
first time of the ball, he misses a thirty eight
yarder and the whole place is like, oh boy, I'm

(43:24):
not your friend anymore. You are our best play year ago,
you know.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yeah, the Steelers have won for the last five in Baltimore. Yeah,
and six of the last eight. This goes, this goes,
This takes you all the way back to twenty seventeen.
This is there's a lot of Lamar in there. Yeah,
those were good football teams that the Ravens are put
out there on the field in full out of Cam
Hayward in there, and there's a lot yeh yeah right.

(43:48):
In fact, some would say that they've been the most
talented team in the league over the you know, since
twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Really since draft and Lamar are They've been as successful
as anyone not the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
And the Steelers have won six of eight in Baltimore.
And yet all we hear is the Steelers can't possibly
win this game. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
I don't think the road thing is brutal for them,
you know. And yes, the Ravens have a massive home
field advantage. I said that against anybody, But I don't
think that it's back to the Harbaugh things. Like my
reward is I get Tomlin and the Steelers great, you know,
like I've seen this show before.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, so it's gonna be interesting. I can't wait. We'll
continue to break it down tomorrow. We've got one more
day to get through this and get ready to play
Steelers at Ravens eight o'clock Saturday night. Can't wait yet.
I've seen every Steeler raven game. I've been in the
building for every single one of them, and they're always
ever worth the price of admission. Always. These are the

(44:46):
former Browns, these are the Cleveland Browns. That's what has
made this rivalry what it is. Actually it's a better
version of the old Browns. Yeah, I mean, no question absolutely,
But Matt, that's going to do for the show today. Yep.
We'd like to thank Mark Mosher for dropping by. Check
his workout on the thirty third Team. You can also
hear him with Matt on the Locked On Network. For

(45:07):
my partner Matt Williamson, for Justin Miller here on site
running the Justin Miller hotline and the soundboard here, and
for Tyler Viittmeyer making sure our video gets out there
onto YouTube. Check that out there. I am Dale Lallie.
We thank you for listening to this edition of the
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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle the biggest stories in news, politics and current events with intelligence and humor. From the border crisis, to the madness of cancel culture and far-left missteps, Clay and Buck guide listeners through the latest headlines and hot topics with fun and entertaining conversations and opinions.

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