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The third day of OTAs was Friday, and the Texans Radio Crew shared who they thought was making a difference and looking good on the field.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up everybody.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Happy Friday to all of you out there listening. Oh
it was a nasty, nasty day as the Texans went
into the bubble again for Ota, what was number three,
but number two for the media, number three for us
because we've seen all of them this week, which was
kind of nice. Appreciate you being here with us, John Harris,
Mark Vandermure, the Voice of the Texans.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Mark, Good evening. Good evening, Johnny. Start with.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Your observations of OTAs Ota number three.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
All right, So you see some things from the offense
that are good. You see some places on the defense
that are good. It's the old what we say in
training camp, the Texans versus the Texans. Yeah, and David
Kelly said it, well, I'm rooting for the Texans something
like that. And I love him because he did simplify things.
He boiled it down with the simplest forms sometimes, and

(00:50):
you need to do that in these situations because you're
rooting for both sides of the ball. But I'll tell
you some things I saw today, all right. I saw
beautiful deep ball by Davis Mills. Oh yeah, that was nice.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
I mean, that was a nice little connection that was gorgeous,
gorgeous deep ball?

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (01:06):
I thought it was a touchdown, but it looked like
they kind of marked it at the one no official
signal touchdown, but it was close enough.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, and it was Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
I think it was supposed to be like a situational period. Yeah,
it was supposed to be get into field goal range.
Well they got into the range.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
They got a chip shot range or touchdown, so that
would do the job.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
So I wrote last night, and I believe it's up.
I hope it's up at Houston Texas dot com. I
didn't double check, but I was writing it last night late,
and so I I came up with. I went through
each position and quarterback, running back, wider, sheet tight in
O line, D line, linebacker, cornerback, safety.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
I didn't split up the D line. I probably should have,
but basically, I was like, here's a.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Guy that I'm watching and I have eyes on during
OTA's that I am intrigued about, at each position, at
each position group, this position group. Wooh, can I ask
you questions about this wide receiver? Was Jellen Knowle You
just mentioned it was Wayne? It was Jared Wayne because
Wayne it was Jared wayn still here he's been here.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
For a while.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
He's big, and he's athletic and Mark I'm telling you,
when you you bring up Jared Wayne's name around people
in ops, in football ops, they look at you like, hey,
don't what's your comment?

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Don't forget about this guy.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Do not forget about Jared Wayne six three two ten big.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
I mean think about that.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Think of the basketball team that the receivers can put
out there.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Oh my god. I mean you could put out.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Either Noel Kirk at point guard and then four six
four guys six three six four guys you could put
out there to play the rest of the positions.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
I'll borrow leshe from the tight ends also and post
up with him.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
He's not a he's not a small guy.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Nope, Luke lash and look who is my tight end
that I mentioned in my article, Lucas.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
I just I.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
You know a lot of people ask me, you know,
like what are you watching? What are you looking at?
Sometimes I'm looking at how and what the reaction is
to when guys make plays and who makes the plays,
and how coaching staff reacts and how you know, other
people you know in football ops react when a guy
makes a play.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Luc Lach has made a lot of plays. Yep, he's
made a lot of plays. And he's helped because Bred
and Jordan's not out there. Yes, and neither is Dalton
Schultz at the moment.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Right, both of them coming back from and rehabing injuries.
That lifts everybody up to get more reps, that's right.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
And Luke Lach has gotten plenty of reps. And I
felt like he's done a really nice job. So you
want me to go you want me to go through
them real fast. The guys that I these are the
guys that I went ahead and said that I have
my eyes on. Now you're gonna if you're listening out
there and you're waiting for you know, Joe Mixon or
Nico Collins or Jalen Petrie. No, okay, And by the way,

(03:58):
JP JP five, Jayson Petrie made one hell of a
play today and seven on seven. I mean, here's a
guy that just gave a ton of money to coming
off an injury that cost him the last what four
or five games of the year in playoffs, and he's
laying out on a deep ball in the third day,
Ota s knocked the ball away. Hashtag culture, So quarterback

(04:19):
was Keaton Slovas, and part of it was don't really
know about Graham Mertz and when he'll be ready truly
to go off the ACL. We've seen Davis plenty and
obviously we know CJ CJ so, but we don't really
know Slovas because Slows got here last year after preseason games,
so we didn't get a chance to see him in preseason.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Games, didn't see him in camp, We didn't.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Really get to see him in competitive situations for the
most part.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Once they got to.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
The season and was game plan and here we go
and didn't really get a chance to see him. So
I was curious about that. So running back Juar Jordan, Wait, wait,
hanging back to slow back to Slovs.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
He makes some throws now, Oh no, he could throw it.
Oh he could throw it.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
The football. He can throw that. Dude was more I
wanted to throw football. You can see it. Yeah, he
can throw it.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
I'm not sure how it's all gonna transpire, but I've
been around here long enough to tell you that sometimes
and I'm not saying I want to see it happen ever. Again, Yeah,
but you need all the depth you can get in
every position, especially that one, yep, and they have four
because Mertz is here, but he's not doing anything yet
with the whole team. We saw him throwing rookie camp.

(05:24):
That was good, that was encouraging on air whatever. But
I like Slovas. I like the flight of the ball.
I like some of the throws I've seen. He had
a nice deep ball today to who was it, No, No,
it was somebody else. He had another one late that
was a pretty good one. I feel one to Nol Nol.
The other day he had a good one to him.

(05:46):
I thought he had one to Jackson today. It'll come
to me. But anyway, I've seen some things.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Throwing the ball and I and again, we're gonna see
him in some competitive situations. We're gonna see one on
ones in camp, seven on seven in camp. We're gonna
see the joy practices. We're gonna get to see Keaton throw.
The third and fourth quarter preseason game, my running back
was Juar Jordan and it you know, Joe Mixon, Damian
Peers not able to participate right now, and so everybody's

(06:15):
kind of, as you said, stepped up in the order,
and so Juar's got an opportunity.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
And I just you watch him.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
He makes he made a guy missing just an open
field kind of tag off tackling drill today.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
I think it may have been Kamari, I can't remember.
May have been Kamari, and.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
I was like, WHOA, Like it was like really impressive,
and I just I feel like just getting more reps
for Juwar.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
You know, Juar.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
I think every you know, Nick talks about this with
us all the time. They look at a guy and
they're like, Okay, this guy can do these things. This
is how he's gonna help us this year. We really
good on third down. He's gonna be great on special teams,
or he's gonna be a first down player on the
defensive line or whatever. And you look at Jaar and
you think, okay, what can what is it the Juar
has and contribute? Well, he's got shake, he could slip

(07:03):
some tackles. He's got that Shady McCoy in him that
I I comped him to when he's a Louisville And
that's what he said. He said he grew up watching
Shady McCoy and he wanted to be like Shady McCoy.
He's got some of that. He's not shady McCoy don't
get me wrong, but he's got stylistically kind of that
same kind of dead leg kind of make you miss,
just really shifty.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
And looks more comfortable.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
So Jeuar Jordan was on my running back rober Sters,
Jared Wayne tight End was Luke Lasche offensive lineman, offensive line.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
So you had to pick one guy you were watching.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
One and you know it's funny because of its line.
Was the easiest of the whole group to pick a
guy outree. Jalen Thomas, Jalen Thomas. I love this because
I was standing with Robert Hensley for a while today
and eventually we came over to you.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Yeah, but I was just watching with Robert and you
see Thomas out there.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
It's it's not Zach Thomas, who you know.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Some listeners are listening right now thinking, well, I'm not
even and used to Zach Thomas yet I'm still thinking
about the former Dolphin and Red raiding right.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
No, this guy's an offensive lineman.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
He's been in the building here and he's getting some
looks here with twos and threes and who knows what happens, right,
But Jalen Thomas, go ahead, this is really this is
below the radar. It is subterranean in some cases. But
he's seeing some time at guard.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
What are you seeing?

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, thick strong, stout And Drew and I are actually
traded some texts last night and his name came up
and he's an SMU. He's an SMU Mustang And Drew
was like, tell me about this Jalen Thomas.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
I was like, well, he's from your own money.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
No, I get that, And I said, basically, the biggest
thing for Jayleen he's you gotta stay healthy. He'll show
up for a day and you look at him and go, man,
it look good and then he's hurt and not there.
And I mean that's a story for a lot of guys,
a lot of big separator. Unfortunately, on the D line
it was Dylan Horton. I think we forget about Dylan. Yeah,

(09:03):
let's talking with uh. I was talking with Matt Burke
before practice and we were just kind of talking about,
you know, just things, and I thought about the defensive
line and we're like, there's seven defensive linemen that are
probably all going to address on Sunday that are not
here with the Texans.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
They're not practicing right now. Wow, that's amazing. But then Barnett,
we don't have to go through them all.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
But Darryl Taylor, Yale interior guys, he's working out a
lot of these guys are working at and we've seen
all We've seen every single one of them at some
point during the during the off season, even the program.
But Dylan Horn's a guy that two years ago is
a rookie, his head spinning last year, he's still fighting cancer.
Right now he's beaten cancer. Now he's comfortable in the

(09:49):
system and he's getting a lot of reps.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
He looks bigger, looks, you know, stronger.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Obviously he's had a full workout campaign throughout the off season.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
I just think Dylan Horton can do some things for
this team.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
And because of in college, they would slim down in
sometimes he's two seventy five to eighty. Now I don't
think he's that big, but he's close and so there's
some things you can do with Dylan Horton. I think
he gets exciting linebacker.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Is he J speed? Yep?

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Just getting to see EJ out there as a Texan corner.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Was back to linebacker for a second. Think about the
linebackers who are not participating and again everybody gets more
reps as a result.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
I see our buddy Jake Hanson out there. We signed
this offseason. Speed was kind of weird, but you get
it because they've had some injury issues and you want
to keep everybody out there. And he's a really good
tackler and very hard to miss out there, very big.
He was covering JJ Taylor in a drill or in
eleven on eleven once and it looked like he was

(10:50):
covering his little brother. Yeah yeah, because JJ ej Is
a little taller than j Taylor. But it was interesting,
it was notable, Yes, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
The reason I forgot my corner is because most guys
most positions, I thought of somebody that not a starter,
but hey, you never know what could happen. Hey, these
are guys just need to keep an eye. Well, my
corner I put down was Kamara Laster because Kamara just
is such a just He's just a force.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
You went star power there.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, but I love watching him and I love watching him.
I mean, I just it's so it's so interesting about
this team Mark because they go to a special teams
drill and there was a game last year this happened.
But there's Derek Sting, who just signed a three year,
ninety million dollar contract. There's Kamara Lassiter and the second

(11:43):
round pick stud starter, I mean, has the potential of
being a pro bowler at some point. And there are
those two as Scout team gunner defenders during special teams.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Wow, and it's like they don't care they grabbed the
bean hair.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Look O, there's Jalen Petree running out of a Scout
team kickoff coverage like that.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Was in a special teams drill today.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Exactly, And it's just like, man, that's set in a standard,
that's setting the culture. I mean, I just I can't
say enough about those guys, can't say enough about Kamari.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
My safety was Jalen Reed, the rookie out of Penn State.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
He's He's made some plays in the OTAs that we've seen,
and I'm just like, he should have never been a
sixth round. Drew and I talked about this, He should
have never been a six rounder. I thought he should
have been at least at least in round four.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
But I think he's.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Playing with a pretty big chip on his shoulder. Played
a big ten, played a lot of big ball games.
I think he can play up, I think he can
play back. I think he can do anything you really
want a safety to do. I think he just has
to learn the game, learn his secondary mates. I think
that's gonna end up down the road being a pick.
We look at it and go, man, hey, Jalen Reid.
This ended up being a great pick, getting him late

(12:53):
on day three. So those guys you can read my
comments about at Houston Texas dot Com. But those are
the guys I'm kind of keeping my eye on.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
All right.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
So one guy you want to talk about standard setter,
and he's a very familiar name, Will Anderson Jr.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
That's him, Will Anderson Jr.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
And the coaches say, hey, whenever we wanted to point
out to a young player how to be be like Will,
do what Will does and Will in practice this is
We talked about it at camp last year and it's
happening already.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
You've got to take about a practice. He's too physical,
he's too much. You can't get anything done. Who did
he take to the ground today, child, Darry. Darry had
a run that was to the right side. Darry tried
to cut him back and we'll basically tackle him for
a TfL.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
No pads, no, just will tone it down.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Will He's you know a lot of these guys we
talk about they channel Demiko Ryans and it reminds me
of Demiko Ryans and the Pro Bowl in two thousand
and nine when he didn't get the memo that you're
not supposed to play like Dick Buckus in the Pro
Bowl and he was Will Anderson Jr. And OTA's day
three is taking people down and blowing things up. Yesterday

(14:05):
did it a couple of times, and it's just it's
fun to watch. But I'm sure the offensive coaches are saying, listen, hey, can.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
You get fifty one out of here? Please?

Speaker 3 (14:14):
We're trying to get stuff done. I mean I have
this in flag football practice with the Boys. I'm like, hey, defense,
lighten up a little bit with the pulling. Okay, I
need to like execute some things here.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
You want to get a defense charged up?

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Tell them that, oh yeah, because they're just all like,
oh yeah, coach, he's got honest and then they just
ramping up efore.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
So that's fun to watch.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
And my old lineman today, if I had to pick one,
I'm saying maybe Ursery. Who Look, it's OTA's offensive, Lineman.
We can't ever react to anything. But they want to
have some more looks here. This is getting interesting.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Oh what did we say yesterday?

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Any anybody or anything that you reader hear that somebody's like,
I guarantee this or it's gonna be this way. Yeah,
don't necessarily believe that. I can promise you it is
not gonna be what you think. Day to day, series
to series, rep to rep.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
They're gonna find it.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
It's gonna change next week, it's gonna change the week
after training camp.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
You're gonna see more changes, more shifting around.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Eventually they'll have to get their line, yes, but I
think they want to have as many looks as possible
before they get there. Ideally, you'd love to know, you'd
love to have the Hogs, all Pro bowlers up front,
Hall of famers.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Great, you're not there. You're not there. You're building this thing.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
You want to put together the best five possible there
in the process of doing that.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, then that's the whole purpose.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
At this point of the renovation, you're not moving chairs
and couches and televisions into the renom.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
You're not there. You're not making declarations. Nothing's permanent, nothing's
nailed down. Nothing. You have to at some point, Yeah,
you have to. The inspection has to take place, but
you don't have to do this. When do you have
to do it? When would you like to do it? Johnny?

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Considering the situation you're in, I know you'd love to
have it already, But the situation you're in, I would say,
what week two?

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, pre second week two?

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, I mean I'd be great to start that second
game with the starters with CJ and say this is
our line, let's go out there, let's put together a
driver to put them to bed, and then game three,
maybe they don't play at all, Maybe they practice with
Detroit and then they don't play in that third game
and you're good to go for the Rams.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
And it might not even be that way.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Maybe they have to start the starters against the Detroit
Lions that third preseason game because they're still looking for it.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
But I think week two, I think coming out of
the almostaid Patriots, coming out of the game against the Vikings,
going in.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
To practice that week that by the joint practice against
the Panthers, you're feeling pretty good.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
When they go all right, first offense out, we have
a pretty good idea. Which five is going on out there.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
At that point? Good idea.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
So that's that's kind of the benchmark. You hit it
right after that first preseason game. You do that, you're
gonna be good. Speaking of joint practices, got them with
the Panthers, got them with the Detroit Lions, Drew Doerty
and I shared some joint practice memories and then some
on In the Lab that's coming up next right here
in Texans All Access. Happy Friday, everybody, Welcome back to

(17:22):
another initiative, Texans All Access. On a wonderful evening wherever
you are because you're listening to Texas All Access. That's
why it's a wonderful evening. Appreciate you being here. I'm
John Harris, football analyst side a lot of reporter. You
hear me during preseason games, see me on TV. But
I'm also one half of the In the Lab podcast
from my man Drew Doherty. First ota in the books

(17:46):
when we recorded, I think we had two at that point.
Drew and I sat down and we started just discussing that.
Then that led to joint practice stories. We'll get to
that in our next segment, but here is Drew and.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
I in the lap.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Let's go OTAs dude. They're in full effect now. The
first one was on Wednesday. We're shooting this on Thursday.
There's another one today, you'll be out there. There's another
one tomorrow as well, and then to next week and
then after that the two day mandatory mini camps. Really
just about everyone was there or is here right now.

(18:23):
So with all that in mind, here on in the
lab present by Infinity, who were a few dudes that
you saw at the first OTA who made you go
hmm in a whatever sort of way, because there was
lots of talk about who practiced, who didn't practice, who
was there but didn't do this, and blah blah blah blahlah.

(18:43):
But the guys who were out there doing stuff, I
know the answer to one of these. But one of
the rookies in particular, look kind of nice to you,
didn't he.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, there are a few guys that stood out.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I'll start with Kamari Lasser and not a rookie, but
I think going into the second year of what hopefully
is a long career here in Houston, you can see
where we saw this last year kind of this transformation
in kamaraw like you know OTA's last year. I remember
the second week got as we go out there, and

(19:16):
I remember the first thing at stuff they did at
Darill and I saw Jaln Petrie was at the nickel
and I thought, wait a second, if he's at the nickel,
then whoa boy? Okay, Kamari's on with the ones at
Premier Corner opposite Derek Stingley.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
I thought, okay, I thought, well, I'll chant never changed,
And as.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
You saw the season go on, you saw Kamari seeming
to get more and more comfortable playing on the outside,
just being himself, playing with a lot of energy, a
lot of.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
He got picks and he didn't have any interceptions.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Again that's right.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
I mean it was kind of all you were seeing
it all, but to me it was kind of energy
and you could tell Kamaria is just he plays with
his hair on fire. I remember when I was talking
to Derek Stingley after he signed a contract.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
I remember staying just kind of shake and say like
he crazy.

Speaker 5 (20:04):
I was, like, he does.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
But you like guys that play that way, you know,
that play kind of not so much reckless, that's not
the right way of saying it, but just play with
an energy and a fire that you want to have,
and he looked really good. Now he was on our sideline,
so I could see him probably a little bit more.
They try and throw it sting once that didn't go well.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
So I mean, right right there, how many fewer times
do you think Stingley is going to get targeted this
year versus last year or the year before.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
Well, it's based on reputation alone.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
I think that's starting to increase.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
I think I'm saying against other teams. Yeah, I think
it's starting to increase. I think it will increase. You
could see it a little bit at the end of
the season, like, man, we really don't want to throw
twenty four. We might throw underneath, we might throw short stuff,
we might do that, but we're really not going to
challenge him with any intermediate or deep stuff.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
It's just you know, kind of wasting time and.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Your threatening it, you know, turnovers at that point to
your offense, and so you kind of I don't know.
So I saw a little bit of it as a
season war on last year. I think it will happen
more and more often. The problem is for defel for
you know, posing offenses is all right, well, you're gonna
see Kamaria Laster, so good luck.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
I mean, we know that, but he's gonna get tested.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
But then again, he got tested last year and I
think he really kind of rose up and showed, man,
you might want to go somewhere else with the football.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Have a different plan.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
So unfortunately the Chiefs did have a different plan, and
that different plan was to throw the Travis Kelce and
to throw to him often in the middle of our defense.
So linebackers and safeties have got to improve in pass coverage.
But it was pretty clear yesterday, yesterday and Wednesday whenever
that was Kamara Lasters is definitely definitely on it. I

(21:51):
love watching Jalen Noel. In fact, most of the time
I watched practice by myself.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
I just like it that way.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
If I'm watching with media members that are like, hey,
what do you think about this? Or they want to
put you you know, they want to ask me questions
about certain things, I want to watch job. I want
to be able to talk about it like we're doing
here and so on Wednesday when I watched practice, I actually,
you know, Mark was there and so but he knows, uh,

(22:19):
he'll come over and say a few things to me,
and we were watching Jalen Knowle and he may catched
the end of practice where he's running kind of a
kind of a short corner would call sail route, not
quite an out route, not a seven route like a
corner route, but.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Kind of in between that.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
And the ball's got to be kind of layered and
it's gotta it can't be you know, lasered, it can't
be floated. It's got to be kind of in between
this and buddy, Buddy, I call it a two ball,
not a one, not a three, but a two run
between and so throw is great, and Jalen's got to
just run under that thing. And the ball is right
at the sideline, so he's got to run under it

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and then bang Bango's feet and it's right in front
of him and you can see it and it's like wow.
But just watching Jalen Nole move, it's so sudden, it's
so it is just so quick and so explosive. And
one of the things I notice Tea in Christian Kirk
in particular, working a drill with wide receivers. They do

(23:15):
a lot with their upper body, but they don't waste
time with their feet, so they'll give you shimmy shakes
and all that the line of scrimmage and they'll swap
and they'll swipe to get loose, but they may take
two steps and it just goes boom boom. So you
get all this activity up above, but it's two steps
and it's their by and they're gone. That to me
is the secret to really good receiving play. You see

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a lot of these young guys doing all these kind
of and one moves and they'll take like eight steps,
like Travis Hunter. You know, he was doing his pro day.
He's working on a slant. He took like eight steps
to the right, eight steps eleven and they're quick, but
when you take that many steps, it's slow. And you
could tell Jalen Nole is economy of movement, which I
really like. So it was really fun to watch, uh
Jalen Nole Kawai Laster cool seeing Jalen Reid make a

(24:01):
play back in his secondary he was safety, stay safety,
the rookie. I think it's gonna be a tough nut
to crack back there once CJ is back there with
Kaylon and those two are back there.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
You got Petrie and Nickel, you still have them.

Speaker 5 (24:15):
J Stewart.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
He's an interesting one because when I interviewed him right
after the draft, Jalen Reid, Yeah, he was excited, he
was happy to be a Texan, but there was an
edge to him. Did I talk about this with you?

Speaker 1 (24:28):
I don't know. We talked about there was an.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
Edge with him where he I think he thought I
should have been taken higher and bo guys do yeah,
good thing.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
I thought he should have been gone all the way higher.

Speaker 5 (24:38):
And I noticed that little edge with him.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Not a little, but I noticed that edge with him,
and I think that could be a nice bit of
fuel for whatever he winds up doing this year and beyond.
But he's somebody that that was the overriding thing that
I noticed from him in my short zoom interview with him,
the one on one I did with him right I
was drafted. So I'm fascinated to see what he makes
of that. But sorry, yeah, I think he You know,

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he made play.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Which is nice. Nice to see rookies just stepping up
and making plays.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Of course, everybody wants to talk about the offensive line
and the configuration.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Well hold on, what do you think? What do you
think of Jadon Higgins? The other wide wide receiver the
first time that the Texans took I mean, did you
see much? I mean it was it just kind of like, yeah,
I mean, I advertise.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
You know, my my comp for him going into the
draft was Nico Collins.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
And you know, you could see the differences when you
just watch them and you're like, yo, Nico's yoked up,
and not that Jayden isn't.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
But Nico has been in.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
You know, in this weight room for four years, right,
I mean you could see you can see it, like
you can see how he moves and his size and
just his physicality. We know that, uh, and we already
know how Nico plays as a professional. Jayden is still
a little bit. He's wiry, so he's not totally filled

(26:01):
out yet and he might might not. This might be,
but then again, you don't need every wide receiver to
look like Nico. But Jaden's very smooth for a guy
his size, very quick in out of his breaks, very
smooth in and out of his breaks, catches everything thrown
his way. I think that's the one thing about Jalen
and and Jaden the receivers really Now. I looked away

(26:24):
a couple of times, but at one point I said
to mark Man. The balls hit the even at seven,
not seven on seven, and on air like ball hit
the ground. Was like the ball got into the city
of the receivers. It was caught, which I think is
a great thing. Now, obviously there's no dbs, they're just
running routes on air.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
I get it. But we've seen plenty of times drew.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Out of practice where ball's thrown very well and you know,
you know, mittens for hands can't hang on to it.
And then we've seen times where receivers catch everything. And
I think over the last few years, I think we've
seen more of receivers that you have better hands and
better to catch in trap things like that. It does
help that you have a quarterback that is very accurate

(27:04):
and precise, so you know where the ball is going
to be and right can put the ball at different
spots in your body to help protect you from defenders
making plays.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
But I know two rookie receivers.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
You know, we say this a lot as it pertains
the ot as when the team first gets together, do
they belong?

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Does it look like they belong? And I don't think
there's any question.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
It's funny because my comp for Jalen knowle was Christian
Kirk and he's here and he's here, and so you
see the two of them next to one another, and
you like you could see it like Christian's a little
bit more filled out, it's a little thicker, Jalen's a
little shorter, but you can just see kind of the
same movements, the way they move, how quick they are.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
And I thought it was interesting, there's there's same the
release pattern.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
You know, instead of using you know, all these kind
of foot movements, they use kind of upper body movements
and it's very economy, like one two steps and then
they're gone. And I think that's to me, that's more
efficient than a lot of things you see now, especially
see these videos on Instagram and all these young receivers
are like watch this release and it's like it takes
you ten seconds to get free, Like that doesn't do

(28:09):
any good.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Get free right now.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
And I think that's seemingly what jaaln Mole's been taught
and he's caught on and the way that Christian Kirk
has evolved into that type of receiver. So it's good
to see Kirk as well and go, oh yeah, he's
a Texan.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
Hell yes, Finally, finally, after you and I saw him
first game, remember at Texas A and M when he
zigs and zags long punt return yep for a touchdown.
That was pretty cool back in twenty sixteen. All right,
offensive line, that's the big question work. I think by
most heading into camp, what's it going to look like?

(28:41):
Who's going to be what's the alignment left to right?
We saw a few combinations yesterday. I don't think you'll
see those combinations be the one that is out there
in week one yep, or if you do, it'll be
a variation of that. But how much can you really gain? Mean,
looking at these guys right now in late May and

(29:05):
judge from what you've seen. I mean, I know you
saw some nice things, but how much do you have
to temper that with well shorts it's May, we don't, Yeah,
what what happens to the bullets fly?

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Well?

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I mean A difference difference between a collision sport and
a contact sport is right there right now.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
It's a contact sport, you know, It's like basketball. Basketball
is contact sport. People might not think that, but it is.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
It is. But football being the ultimate collision sport, that's
that changes obviously in spring training, I think, or training camp.
I think the one thing I when I try, when
I talk about the offensive line and offensive linemen in
in OTAs, I talk about the things that you actually
can see, but that end up being important. You know,

(29:47):
this guy transformed his body. And look, I heard, you know,
Brandon and Seth on sports Radio six ten on Wednesday
or Thursday morning to talk about this in a sense,
not gonna fall for the banana of the tailpipe if
you will. And I'm like, so, guys, you're talking about
a guy's body. Doesn't mean that he's going to turn
out to end he's gonna end up being a stud.
But I think everybody you know goes back to Kennyan

(30:08):
Green and says, well, you know, as I I would say,
Kenyan's first step is a transformer his body. He doesn't
do that, He's got no chance he did that, but
it just didn't come together as a player. And so
I think people look at it as well, if he
got his body right, he was going to be a
start Like, No, that wasn't that wasn't the way. And

(30:29):
I don't look at it that way. But guys have
made transformations body wise that I think can translate into
better play out on the field because they're a little
bit stronger, they can handle different movements by pass rushers
and defensive linemen. I mean, I think that's one of
the things that you can see, Like just looking at Blake,

(30:50):
Fisher looks different. Cam Robinson's a unit man. I mean,
that's a big, well put together guy.

Speaker 5 (30:58):
Been good.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, has Cam Cam exactly. That is the difference between
he and Blake right now, Blake doesn't have a track record.
He's played three or four games, and you know, according
to all the analytics football nerdy Nerdies, you know, he
wasn't that good. But I saw some good things from Blake,
and I also realized that guy's a rookie trying to
play one of the most difficult positions. And once he

(31:19):
moved over to right tackle, he's facing Chop Robinson, He's
facing George Carl Loftis. He faced some dudes and that's
not the easiest thing. All the while, with an offensive
line that was was kind of struggling as a unit.
So there were some guys you can tell they've been
in the weight room, they've kind of transformed their body.

(31:41):
How the front five is gonna look right now, Hey,
they threw five guys out there and away we go.
And I know there's been a lot of consternation, Well
there's no competition. Last year, you know, they put those
five in and they were just the five guys. And
I always would say that, well, yeah, because what was
behind them to push them?

Speaker 1 (32:01):
You know, they got the job because they were the
five best.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
But I think now they've got I think it's like
fifteen bodies and there's an opportunity there for a guy
off the beaten path that Jayalen Thomas, Ladarius Henderson, maybe
even Eli Cox to show themselves in training camp and
showing the three preseason games and showing the two joint practices.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Hey, this guy's got a little something.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Make the decision hard, make the decision at center difficult,
make decision at left guard and right guard difficult. Make
Cam Robinson work for his supper if you will. It's
it's going to be a work in progress until it.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Isn't that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
It is, and you know, and even in week one,
it's still gonna be a week a work in progress.
But it can be a work in progress together. It
doesn't have to be five independent contractors it's got to
be five guys that fit together and fit the best.
As Herb Brooks said in the movie Miracle, not looking

(32:59):
for the best player, I'm looking for the right ones.
It's one of my favorite parts of the movie Miracle,
Herb Brooks talking about putting together the right players, not
just the best ones, and that resulted in a gold
medal for the United States and Olympic Hockey, which had
not happened. Only it only happened once prior to that,

(33:19):
in nineteen sixteen Squad Valley, California.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
So away we go.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Now, one thing we didn't get to in this segment
was talking about joint practices. True, and I kind of
went on for a little while discussing the joint practices
we have been a part of because it was announced
this week the Texas will be taking on the Panthers
here for a practice and Detroit for a practice up
before we take on the lines in the preseason game.
So we discussed that our thoughts and memories, and we

(33:45):
had a laugh at a good friend of ours expense.
We'll do that next on Texas All Access. We went
final segment this this year to Texas All Access. Let's
get right back to it. Joint practices were announced for
this year. Going to take on the Carolina Panthers at
home for a practice, Gonna go to Detroit take on
a Lions for a practice. Drew Dory and I sat

(34:07):
down and discussed what we remembered about joint practices. It's
fun at somebody's expense. We'll get to that in just
a second, but let's get right back to it.

Speaker 5 (34:18):
Let's end with this.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
Demiko Ryans announced yesterday that the Texans are gonna have
a joint practice here yes against the Charlotte or against
Carolina Panthers, and a joint practice up in Detroit.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
Against the Lions.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
It's gonna be against each of or gonna be before
each of the preseason games. So with that in mind,
I want you to give me your three favorite Texans
joint practices of all time. I'll start my favorite Texans
and Patriots at the Greenbrier twenty seventeen basically because it

(34:52):
was at the Green Briar that was the best training tip.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
Of all time.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
So that's degrees at practice. Man, That's my number one.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
Because Tom Brady was out there there, Bob Gronkowski was
out there, Danny and Meidola I think was yeah, I
know he was out there and he came and had
a stint here. I used to cover him at Texas Tech.
That was a fun one.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
Texans were pretty we thought gonna be a pretty good
team that year. They had the rookie quarterback and Deshaun Watson.
Things were looking up. So that's my number one? What's
your number one?

Speaker 5 (35:19):
He got one. I just hit very very recently.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
So what do you think, Well, there's there's so many
of them.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
The one that I tend to remember was the famous
Let's get the Bleep out of Richmond, right, Jonathan was
a fun one. It was twenty fifteen Bons to Cours
against the Artists formerly noticed the Redskins.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, and I were watching it.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
We were freezing, yes, and then fights broke out all
over the field. And then that's the year we were
on Hard Knocks and the famous right. It's one of
the greatest endings of the first episode of Hard Knocks ever.
It's all this has happened, and all of a sudden
there's a shot at Kareem Jackson and Jonathan Joso on
the sideline and j Jo's miked up and he's like man,
let's get the leap out of Richmond. And it goes

(36:02):
to dark and I just remember like, oh, pretty good
that was that day with the fights and the rain
and the cold. There's a funny story about that training camp.
I'll tell it here now we can look back and
it's kind of odd. But we got there and we
were still doing radio shows and so they had set
us up a tent. They kind of took us over
the tent, and then a little bit later they walked

(36:23):
over and said, hey, when you guys kind.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Of need to be in here, and we're like, well,
we weren't like probably after practice, you know kind of thing.
And they're like, okay, because RG.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Three's mom's radio show has to be here on Wednesday
or something. And we're like, wait now, RG three RG
three's mom's radio.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
And I was like okay. We just kind of like
oh yeah. Then walked away and Mark and I looked
at each other and thought what he was.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
He wasn't a starter by then at that point he
had already not.

Speaker 5 (36:59):
He had start.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
He was coming off the injury. Yeah, so Jay Gruden,
the thought was that he was gonna come back and
be that guy, and he kind of got the first
run and then they realized nope, and then they went
the Cousins. I think it was they went the Cousins
that year in fifteen.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
So that was mine. All right, you got another one.
I do. I have a good I have a good
I have a good story. I'd like to tell.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
Well, you'll you'll tell it. Just let me tell you
this one real quick. Let's do two.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
It's actually because of you three uh threes.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
A little long.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
But my first joint practice was back in twenty ten
because that was the first training camp that I got to.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 5 (37:37):
Work.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
I started working here at the end of two thousand
and nine's training and I actually had an in person interview.

Speaker 5 (37:43):
With Jamie Roots Rest in Peace.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
Where I'd gotten the job, but like had to get
the final blessing from the president and to make sure,
you know, he didn't think I was some sort of psycho. Yeah,
And it was while the Texans and Saints were practicing
out here in two thousand and nine together. Yeah, but
it was the next year in New Orleans when the
Texans were practicing with the Saints. Because you walk off
the practice field and hey, you think, okay, I gotta

(38:08):
go cover the press conference.

Speaker 5 (38:09):
I gotta do this, I gotta do that. And before
you do, there was a big grill.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
I know where you going.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Tommytanovich of Drago's in New Orleans, he's got a few
locations there he's he's given out charred grilled oysters and
a piece of French bread to everybody walking off the field,
whether there's a player, was a coach, where there's a
knucklehead like me covering them all. But that was pretty
good and I had a few of those, and I
kind of like went back for the free sample at

(38:41):
h GB, you know, like had another round and then I.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Went in what he didn't catch me the first time.

Speaker 5 (38:45):
He got He gave me four.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
He hooked me up.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
But it was good and it led to it.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
Yeah, we've been back and seen Tommy times over the years,
but I loved that one as well. And I love
joint practices. It's just good to break things up, see
another team, see how things work, and see what goes down.
There's been a ton of them over the years. I
have a lot of other favorites, but those are my
two tip top favorites. What's your story you wanted to tell?

Speaker 1 (39:06):
You. Okay, so I believe this was twenty Yeah, it
was twenty eighteen.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
And so the year before we had gone to the
Greenbrier and we all stayed at the There was a
hotel we all stayed at. We were there for three weeks,
and I remember our good friend dB City complained every day.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
She hated it, hated it.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
I thought it was just fine.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
I did too, So she hated it and I kind
of got it. Well.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
The next year, something got lost in translation, and so
we end up having like, okay, we can't get the hotel, right,
but we're not staying at the Greenbrier with the team,
so we have to go do airbnbs.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
And so you already travel, Yeah, Doherty Travel took care
of everything.

Speaker 5 (39:51):
Five Star Traveling charged us up with places.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
We all got these. So it's probably about.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
I don't know, a couple of days, maybe a day
before we're going to the Green Brier in twenty eighteen, and.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Deep's like, I'm panicked. I'm so worried, and we're like what.
She goes, well, just.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Drew got me this this place and apparently I'm staying
there and the owner just messaged me, a guy named
Marty and I am freaked out because Marty is this
place is like by the river, Like, oh my god,
am I gonna wake up this?

Speaker 1 (40:34):
So she got really.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Panicked about this Marty staying at the place where she
was staying, and so Drew and the ultimate you know,
I'll take one for the Team's like, look, look, I'll
let me stay there. Deep He's like, I'm gonna go
stay at the hotel. She goes and gets the hotel
like the Holiday Inn or whatever. You go and stay

(40:56):
with Marty and all's gonna be good. Well coming out,
Marty is like a mid sixties woman who was like Drew,
I'll do your laundry.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
I'll do whatever you need, like the nicest woman ever.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
It was so scared because it was like Marty at
this river cabin and she was gonna end up like
you know, James Connon misery or something like that. I
gotta tell you, when we found out that Marty was
a woman, I don't think I laughed harder for that
particular story. Yeah, And it was so funny because she

(41:31):
hated it so much. And then she moved and it
was like Marty, Marty's a woman.

Speaker 5 (41:35):
So I've got an iPhone and uh, I think you
do too.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
And on the weather part, the weather app that I have, Yeah, yeah,
you can like set your favorites. Houston is the one
that pops up, yep, but you can you can add
a few other cities. And one of the cities I
added is Caldwell, West Virginia. Yeah, because that's where that
place was.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, And it was a slice of heaven, Like it
was just really nice place, Like there's a river right
right in front of you.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
It was a river house on this property. It was
a private there's a private property, dozens and dozens and
dozens of hundreds of maybe one hundred some acres, and
they were about fourteen to fifteen homes each with at
least an acre or two of property. And this house

(42:23):
she she stayed downstairs, Marty did. Yeah, it's it was
almost totally detached from the upstairs, which was spacious and
really nice and a beautiful river house on this clear
river in the mountains of West Virginia. I mean I
drove in and drove out, and it took about five
minutes to get from the entrance to where the house was.

(42:45):
And it's a rocky road, nice rocky road, and saw
at least a dozen deer going to and from every
single day.

Speaker 5 (42:53):
Shady.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
I mean, it's just it was perfect, and so I
always check them. I wonder what's going on in called well,
West Virginia right now. But yeah, that was that was
a good one.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah, that was that was fun.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
You had a sweet house. We found a like the
top of a hill.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
We were.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
We were the downstairs of probably like a five six
bedroom house and they had created two bedrooms and it
was enough space. It was the four of us, My
wife had two kids, and it was perfect. And so
for the first week my wife had I can't remember,
she had something going on. I she had conference or something,
and so she was gone the first week. But me

(43:29):
and the kids, we we had a We had a tremendous,
tremendous time. We were like overlooking we like walked out
on the ports. Like the first night we look out
and there's a black bear. Yeah, well, like you saw
stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Wow, Oh, I mean you just it was. It was
odd in a sense.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
But I think I'm trying to think the very first
joint practice that I ever went to might have been
one of the Broncos ones up in Denver. You know,
it actually was the week before it was the Falcons.
The Falcon here, remember Hard Knocks was here.

Speaker 5 (43:58):
That's where JJ Watt going over the bridge.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
That's one of the great scenes in Hard Knocks and
it's such a good scene. But that was Falcons, and
then the next week it was Broncos out in out
in Denver, which we talked to Chris Clark about. We
had Chris Clarkin studio last week and we were talking
to him about that and was he with them or
was he was with the Broncos at that time? And
what I thought was and I asked him about this

(44:21):
because in the one on ones they JJ and the
Broncos o line, particular Chris, they were getting after each
other like they were really it was really tense. There
were a lot of like chest to chests blow ups
and things. And I asked Chris about, like, you became
JJ's teammate the next year, and you know, you could

(44:43):
tell that. Chris was kind of like, yeah, you know,
we didn't talk a whole lot. But I always find
that interesting about joint practices because there were always guys
catching up that know each other, play together in high school,
play together, you know, on the same team, and weeks
ago sat right, and so there's always people that know
each But then there's always my moment last year when

(45:03):
I knew the Rams are gonna be pretty good, and
I knew their defensive line was gonna be pretty good
early on in that practice, I was gonna spend the
day kind of with the defense. But the defense hadn't.
I don't know, there was something were still waiting on
the Rams offense to get down there. So I watched
the first few plays of the Texans offense and the
first play of team Jared Verse. Whatever happens a run,

(45:26):
I think, and Jared Verse start talking trash to Larimie
Tunsel and I was like, oh, rookies gonna get it now,
Like that's you just that's probably not the thing you
do to Larimie Tunsseel. I've seen people Laramie would get
cranked up when guys talk trash. And I'm telling you,
the very next play was a pass and Verse beat
Tunsel so badly, and I just remember going, well, he
talked it and then walked it against him, Holy smokes.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
And then that defensive line.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Now, once CJ got the ball off, he's fine because
the secondary wasn't very good. But those defensive linemen for
the Rams, holy cow.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
And I was like that.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
I remember walking in and was walking in with a
guy Michael Hoyte. You's not with the Bills, I believe
played with the Rams. He played at Brown University and
so I had never met him, and so I met
him after practice. We were talking a bunch and talking
about Brown and that was talking to him about his
defensive line. He kind of hit me, he goes, we're
pretty good now, and I was like, yeah, you guys
are pretty damn good. And it turned out to be
that way for the rest of the year. But I

(46:19):
remember that.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Last year from practice watching Stafford throw.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
That's one other thing Drew is seeing like the different
quarterbacks we've gotten to see and joint practice over the years.
Like we saw Matt Ryan and Peyton Manning that first year,
one year, was Garoppolo his first or second year in
San Francisco, Stafford last year. Just seeing these quarterbacks. You
mentioned Tom Brady when we were up actually practicing at
the Greenbrier, just seeing him the Broncos, Peyton mann with

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the Broncos in fourteen, you know that was that was
uh yeah, yeah, those those were the two quarterbacks. We
saw that that offseason and you know those things. In sixteen,
we were out in San Francisco and Allan Kaepernick was
trying to come back from you know.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
An injury, and so Rogers, yeah, that's right, we were
up in Green Bay. He was not happy about that.
That that kind of was.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
I mean, I think we maybe knew he was a
demon before that, but I remember after practice he's kind
of like, hey, Aaron, what's you think drog practice goes
hate him?

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Well, don't like him.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
Somebody delivered the lumbered up one of his guys, your.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Guy Lonnie Johnson money yeah, lj Yeahlanie was good.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yeah, piece of work.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
So that was fun.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
What you need to do now with Mark is bring
this up with him because he'll have his own ball
of waxe, yes he will, but preface it and needle
him just a little bit by asking him the question,
which I do this every once in a while. Be
like Mark Tom again, was Styx sticks became led Zeppelin
or led Zeppelin became sticks?

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Like no, no, no, no, it's to who that became
led Zeppelin. We just blew Mark's world, and that's what
we were aiming to do. All I appreciate you guys
for being with me this evening. Big thanks to Mark,
to Drew, Jove you for listening. We'll see you on Monday,
and as always, go Texans.