March 19, 2025 • 35 mins
Host Eric Allen is joined by NFL Analyst and former player Leger Douzable to evaluate the Jets' recent free agent signings and discuss HC Aaron Glenn's process in his first offseason on the job. The pair break down the acquisitions of QB Justin Fields and TE Stone Smartt and explain how they might fit into OC Tanner Engstrand's scheme.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 5 (00:24):
Welcome into the Official Jets Podcast. Eric Allen here inside
the studio, joined by Lejane Dudesable Dudes. Were about a
week into free agency. The Jets have been very active
on multiple fronts. Your overall thoughts thirty thousand foot field.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, I think there's a thing when you look at
a lot of the players that the Jets picked up
in free agency, the main theme being all of these
guys a running thirty years old, and then when you
look at a couple of these guys, they're coming on
I don't want to say down years, but not as
productive as the twenty three years. So when you look
at Aaron Glenn and his past and developing players, they
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looked at guys that have high upside, that are still
very young, that probably still have their best football in
front of him. So I think the Jets were very
strategic going into this free agency, making sure they targeted
certain players that were not over thirty years old, even
a guy like Derek Nadi. And I know we're going
to go into each players specifically, but this guy has
been a starter for majority of his career, didn't start
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last year, but still can play at a high level
and it's still not thirty years old.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So I think I.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Don't want to use the word reclamation projects, but essentially
that's what ag and Darren Mooji did right. They went
and got some of these younger players that are coming
off years that weren't weren't their greatest years in the NFL,
but still a lot of upside to him.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Do you think that speaks to the confidence that Aaron
not only has in himself but his staff that we're
going to be able to take some of these guys
who might have struggled most recently and we're going to
develop them in house. And then the other side of
the coin of that is, hey, if these guys don't
come along, a lot of these deals do is our team.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Frontly without a doubt, and I think they structured those
deals where they can get out of a lot of
these deals. A lot of them are one year deals,
but a couple of the deals they can get out
in one or two years.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So I think it was smart by this staff.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And also, like you said, to speak to the confidence
of Aaron Glenn and his developmental skills. The thing is
when you're watching players and then you see it done
correctly on tape one time, that means they can do
it again.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
And I think that's what Aaron Glenn is thinking.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
That there's so much that goes into a player his
psyche going into a contract year, and a lot of
times players are so worried about playing their best football
that they play a little tight and that could have
been an issue. I mean, Andre Cisco, I know we're
talking about him later, but that whole secondary struggle in
Jacksonville that could be not just on him, it could
be schematic wise what they were asking him to do.
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So AG looks at the twenty three tape and says,
this guy was unbelieved. Let's get him on our team.
He's also a local kid, I believe from Long Island.
So it's gonna mean something for him to come back
to the Jets, and I believe I can get him
back to that player that he was in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
All Right, who are the Jets getting in Justin fields
Sky went four and two as a starter last year
in Pittsburgh. A lot of the media reports are the
Steelers wanted him back instead. He said, you know what,
I'm going to the Jets again. He's coming off the
season where he started those first six games Russell was injured.
He ten touchdowns, ten total touchdowns, five on the ground,
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five passing touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
He turned it over just twice and.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
That was the biggest thing, him protecting the football because
that was the issue when he was a younger quarterback.
And the crazy thing is, I say a younger quarterback,
This guy literally just turned twenty five years old and
he's been in the league it seems like forever already.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
So this is a young guy with a lot of upside.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
You talked about him taking the Steelers to a four
and two record in the beginning of last year. We
know how dynamic he is with his legs in the
open field, and what people don't talk about enough is
how physical he is. When he becomes a runner, he's
extremely hard to bring down. So you always hear the
terminology plus one in a run game. That's what Justin
Fields gives you. But don't get a toiche. And this
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guy can throw the pill. Let's not forget. DJ Moore's
best career year was with Justin Fields, not all the
other quarterbacks he played with. It was with Justin Fields,
so he can definitely throw the ball down the field.
I think also with Derrick Mujie and also ag they
looked at this and said, he's got some synergy and
some continuity with our number one receiver, right because he
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played with Garrett Wilson in college. He played with Germany
Record in college. And oh, by the way, we signed
his center and Josh Myers to bring him along as well.
So he's gonna have some familiar faces on this team
where he feels comfortable, knows he's going to be the
starter from day one, and we're praying and hoping that
we can continue to develop this guy and maybe there's
a potential for him to be the long term franchise
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quarterback for the New York Jets. And I think that's
what Justin Fields was looking at and why he decided
to sign with the New York just because he knows
there's an opportunity if he shows right that he could
potentially be the quarterback of the future.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Six three eight to one hundred and twenty seven pounds,
he just turned twenty six years old, and he's coming
off a year in Pittsburgh where he set career highs
in terms of completion percentage and passer rating. What do
you think about his fit in the system now? Tanner
Engstrom has not called to play. We know that he's
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a passing game coordinator with the Lions, but just looking
at the personnel, and I really liked the explosive element
potentially offensively when you got Fields taking snaps under center,
you got Breise Hall behind you, and then you got
Karrent Wilson is your number one receiver. Those guys all
can take a ball and go fifty plus to dolls.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
And it'll be interesting to see Tanner Einstring put it
handprint on this.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Offense and what will that exactly exactly look like.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
We don't know because to your point, Yay, he hasn't
called games right from the offensive quarters. Or offensive coordinator standpoint. Now,
I did love the signing of Scott Turner to help
him out. He's a guy who's called a lot of
players as his time as an offensive coordinator and been
a coach on the offensive side. So I think those
two will come together to have an offense Taylor to
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Justin Field's skill set. Could we see more rpo right
with Justin Fields because that's an element of his game
that separates him from a lot of other quarterbacks. And
also when you talk about the subsequent pieces on the
outside of Garrett Wilson, but then also in the backfield
of Bresaw, you have to talk about this young offensive line.
Let's not forget tennor ingstring. Where'd he come from the
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Detroit Lions. What do they want to do there? Run
the football? You don't think he's gonna want to run
the football with this young offensive line the Jets have,
right when.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
You look at the youth of this.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Offensive line from the Jets, besides it's John Simpson and
everybody else is essentially the starters on rookie deals. Now
there is a needed right tackle and that could potentially
happen in the draft or there's still some free agents
out there as well. But when you talk about a young,
hungry offensive line, right gelling together, they are going to
want to run the ball where Breese Hall to take
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some pressure off Justin Fields. And let's not forget we
talked about it earlier. EA, Justin Fields is going to
be part of the run game, right, He's gonna be
plus one in the run game as well. So I'm
excited to see what tenner Ingstring does with this offense
when he puts his handprint on it. What will be
the philosophy for this offensive and what will its identity be.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I can't wait to see that.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Man.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
This whole podcast could be on Justin Fields. But let's
stay here for a second. You played defensive line in
the National Football League for more than ten years. What
kind of pressure does a guy like Fields point on
the defense that front seven? Because you mentioned RPOs, the
zone reads, the runs and then also just making a
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second play with his feet.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
When things break down and there's nobody open, and you
could have the perfect defensive call. EA, with a guy
like Justin feels it doesn't matter because he can break
down the perfect play with his mobility. And I talked
about his strength like it's hard to bring him down
because you talked about a sixty three two hundred and
twenty seven pounds, Like that's a big running back in
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the league, right, So, like that's tough to bring down
in the open field. And then when you have him
in the open space and he's able to break contain
when a defensive line doesn't have pass rush lane responsibility,
Now you're talking about him one on one with his
dynamic ability, with his mobility and speed on a linebacker,
he's gonna win that ten out of ten times because
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that's how dynamic he is with it legs.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
So it puts so much stress on a.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Defensive line because you want to be aggressive when you
rush the passer, but you gotta be smart too, because
if you're too aggressive and you end up having a
big open a gap because both the tackles decided to
run on the rush on the outside of the guard
and now there's a gaping hole. Not only is it
a passing lane for him, but he could keep the
ball and run in that a gap and pick up
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first downs. We saw that multiple times last year with
the Pittsburgh Shielders, more specifically on third down.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You got to think about this right.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
This is a defensive minded coaching Aaron Glynn, and he
knows what the skill set that Justin Fields has. He
could just keep the offense on the field by scampering
and picking up some first downs with his legs. He
wants to be able to control the ball and play
good defense. And with a mobile quarterback like Justin Fields,
that's why it's so tough for defenses to scheme against.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
This is a hell of an opportunity for Fields. Where
does he have to get better? When you watch the
film and say, okay, listen, he's shown glimpses. He's the
former number eleven overall picking the draft back in twenty
twenty one. He had a strength there a couple of
years ago with the Chicago Bears, where he became the
second player in NFL history to have one at least
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one rush touchdout and one pass touchdown in five consecutive games.
The only other players done that is Kyler Murray in
twenty twenty. Where does he have to get Butterfields?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So you go back to last year when they're four
and two and Mike Tomlin makes a tough decision to
go with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
It was because the lack of the deep passing game.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Now we talked about EA, He's gotten better every single
year when it comes to completion percentage, but the accuracy
down the field when you want to try to get
some of those explosive plays to keep that safety out
out of the box so you can run the ball effectively,
that's where he has to take his game to the
next level. I saw him grow in progressions right going
through his progressions last year. He got extremely better than that,
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better than he was his first couple of years in
the league because it used to be the first red
wasn't there was a tuck and run. But you saw
him last year get to his first, second and third
read and get the ball out of his hands. Now
he has to put it all together and be able
to throw the ball down the field and complete some
of those big passes down the field. Again, tanner Anstrom
comes from the Troy Lions. They're gonna want to run
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the football, but the way to get that extra safety
out of the box, you gott to threaten the ball
down the field and the team has.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
The respect that you can make that throw down the field.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
So that's where Justin Phields has to continue to grow
as a player from the quarterback position.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
It's the accuracy on the downfield throwing.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
I'm watching the emphasis in this attack on the play
action game is gonna help fields.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
It's gonna be monumental. Right, we talked about this young
offensive line. John Simpson is a guy that will rip
your face mask off as well. Now again, well is
to be determined who potentially is the right tackle. I
know me and u EA have been through some scenarios.
Could Josh Meyers slide into center, Could Joe Tipman move
to guard? Could Avt go back to right tackle. I
think all that is up to be determined, just depending
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on what to just do for the rest of free agency,
because I know it seems like it's been a month,
but to your point, yea, it hasn't even been a
week of free agency yet, Like there's still a lot
of good players out there to play. And I know
people getting enamored with the opening day when the new
league year starts or the tampering period starts, because everybody's.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Like, why isn't this team doing this? Why aren't they
doing that?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
We're not even a weekend to free agency. There's a
couple of waves and tiers of free agency. There's that
initial wave, then there's the second wave, then there's a
quick small wave right before the draft, and then after
the draft there's another wave for free agency where teams
didn't get to pick certain players that they wanted to
fill out the roster. That's that last wave before it's
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training camp. So we're still a long way away from
determining what this team will look like, uh, because of
the personnel, and the Jets still have a lot of
pieces to add as well.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So you talked about the play action pass game.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
It's going to be monumental, right, but you have to
be able to establish a run to have an effective
play action pass game, and I know that's something that
Tanner andstring is going to want to establish with the
New York Jets.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
All right, let's jump around off Tyler Johnson, the receiver
who most recently played with the Rams. He signs a
free agency as does Stone Smart coming over from the Chargers.
So both those guys making the trip from the West
coast to the northeast.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Can you tell me about their potential fits?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, Stone Smart, I love that pick.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
I don't know if anybody follows me on Twitter, I
went to Twitter right away, it was like, that's an
amazing pick. A little bit surprised the Chargers didn't tender
him because he was a restricted free agent, a massive
human being, right, and he's able to go get the
ball in the red zone. He really came on strong
at the end of the year when they had some
injuries to the tight end position. So again, was a
little bit surprised they didn't tender him. But I love
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this pickup because I believe he can be a weapon
down the scene for justin fields and also be a
weapon in the red zone going up in high pointing
and going to get the football.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
He's an athletic tight end.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Really loved that signing because it wasn't like it was
a as far as findingly, it wasn't a massive signing
for the Jets. But again, when you look at roster
construction and roster makeup, you need guys like Stone Smart
to have a good football team. And then Tyler Johnson
is a guy that's kind of been steady at he
was with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with the Rams, and
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it's just weird when you look at his game, he
ate there's always.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Like one or two games.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
He just explodes on the scene and he had that
last year with the Los Angeles Rams as well, So
he'll be a guy that's probably mixing it up for
that number three, four and five spot at the receiver position.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
He will also give you some help on special teams
as well.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
He was a standout receiver at Minnesota. You mentioned that
Tampa Bay drafted him. He got some time last year
with the Rams after the previous season. I think most
of the year he spent on their practice squad. But
you mentioned Swart and his ability to get down the field.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
You're seeing an emphasis of speed here.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Of what Aaron Gladd and Darren Muji wants to do
here to put pressure.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
On the defenses.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
And I'm not saying any of these guys are in
the category of Jameson Williams or Gibbs. But when you
think of Wilson and we talked about this before, and
you think about Greece Hall, those are guys who can
put a lot of stress on the defense and then
smart when you use them in packages. You have to
account for his vertical ability.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
And again I think his athletic ability and ability to get.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Down the seam.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I think the Chargers realized, like, this guy can play
some ball, Like, let's start getting into him.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I think it was Will Disley that kind of got
banged up for them towards the end of the year,
and that's when Stone Smart really stepped up for them.
So again, a very young player was supposed to be
a restricted free agent. They didn't tender him, so he
became a free agent. A little bit surprised the Chargers
didn't try to bring him back, and they may have,
but maybe he decided he just wanted a fresh start
somewhere else. So I like that pick up a lot again.
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He came another young player that came on strong late
last year.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
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Speaker 1 (16:06):
What do you make about the moves up front?
Speaker 5 (16:08):
The Jets like their young centaer Joe Tipman A g
called him out Indianapolis, but you're bringing a guy Myers,
Josh Myers, who not only snapped the ball to justin
fields of Ohio State, he's got a lot of starting
experience the previous four seasons at the pivot for the
Green Bay Packers, and.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
How about a corps four.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
He's a guy who played one week with the Patriots
last year. We don't know the full story, but previously
he was a starter for the Pittsburgh Steelers, and I
got to think that he's looking at this as an
opportunity to either compete at the right tackle position or
at the very least.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Dudes, maybe he's a swing tack layer.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah, I go back to what their Mouji and also
ag have kind of targeted when it comes to this
free agent class.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Right Oka four, We'll start with him.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
You talked about it was a constant starter for the
Pittsburgh Steelers and honestly thought he had a chance to be,
you know, the starter of day one in New England. Now,
again we don't know the story and why it didn't
work out there, but it goes back to the theme
of kind of like reclamation project, like a guy that
had a decent or pretty good twenty three season, but
not a good twenty four season.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
And you talked about it.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Josh Myers was essentially a four year starter for the
Green Bay Packers, but he's coming off a down year.
Wasn't one of his best years in protection as well.
And I talked about the psyche of going into free agency.
Sometimes players just play a little tight. You don't know
what they're doing schematically or what they're asking him to do.
Was he maybe banged up last year as well and
wanted to fight through some things because he was going
to be a free agent.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
You just never know that.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
But for what the Jets signed him for, I think
that's a home run pick one because again you talked
about it, the continuity and synergy has with Justin Fields
having a stat for him at Ohio State, and when
you go back to his twenty three and twenty two tape,
it was really good, like he was being considered as
a top like five center in this league. So I
love it from the standpoint because, yes, Joe Tipman is amazing,
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but you always need a consummate backup and then you're
gonna want the best starting five out there.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Now. Again, would love to keep Joe Tipman at.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Center, but if Josh Mayas proved throughout training camp that
with him at center Tipman at guard, that we have
our best starting five, then you have to make that
move right at the end of the day, it's about
having the best starting five out there.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
And that's why I think a lot of.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Times coaches more specifically trained or cross trained guys at
different positions just for that instance. If something like that happens,
say you got two really good centers, but you can't
play two centers at one time, you move one guy
to guard, and you have your best starting five out there.
Let's not also forget Tipman plays some guard his rookie year,
so that he has that versatility.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
To do that as well.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Now, again I would love to keep Tipman at center,
but you want to ultimately put your best starting five
out there.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah. The bottom line is the Jets.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
You can expect them to continue to add to the
offensive line. Look at where Aaron Glenn just came from
to destroy life and it all started up front for them.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
So let's flip into the defensive side of the wall.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
How much credit did you give Mujie for getting a
Sherwood deal down before he hits the market, because we
were both in Indianapolis and everybody was talking about how
many suitors he was gonna have if he hit free agency.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah, I don't think people understood it. And I was
saying that, you know this all last year. I was like,
sure was gonna have a crazy market and people were
looking at me crazy, and I'm like, if you watch
the tape, this young man is an ascending player, like
Pro Bowl type ascending player. And you saw his trajectory
year in the year out like because he would start
at Sam Becker for the Jets.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
But it's rare in today's NFL.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
The teams don't come out in eleven personnel, which means
you're gonna go Nickel, which means.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Your third linebacker is not gonna play.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
But every time he kind of spots started for CJ,
he would just continue to make plays. And I remember
talking to Robert slind He was saying, Jamie and Sherwood
is one of the smartest players I've ever coached, right.
He said that as a rookie, So you knew that
the mental capacity was going to be there. He was
making that transition from safety to linebacker, so you knew
it was only a matter of time before he developed.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
The more reps he got, and you saw.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
The speed that he plays with I mean with him
at Quincy Wilson, they might be maybe the fastest tandement
linebacker in all the NFL because those guys get from.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
East to west extremely fast.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Sherwood had ninety eight solo tackles, which is astronomical because
he didn't even.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Start in the beginning of the year.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
So like for him to have that type of production,
there was going to be a great market.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
And then when you're that young and you're an.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
As sending player because you're only a one year starter,
NFL is all about projection.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
EA, people are projecting it.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
He's going to be even better right in the future
because he did only start one year. So I thought
that was a key piece that they absolutely had to
bring back. Shout out to Darren Moji to GM and
also AG forgetting that deal done.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
They got both third quarterbacks done here in free agency
on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
They targeted fields.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
They got him even though Pittsburgh wanted him back, and
then they got Sherwood. They're Mike linebacker And shout out
to CJ. Moseley, just an unbelievable professional throughout the time here. Yeah,
the captain.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Just a person who was adored throughout the building.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
And I'm not saying just inside that locker room, consummate professional.
He had three straight seasons of one hundred and fifty
plus tackles.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
When he went down.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Though, Sherwood was ready, and Sherwood told me tous Moseley
met everything to him and that is the circle of
football life.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah, you couldn't have a better vet to learn from,
right if you're Jamie and Sherwood than CJ. Mosley the captain.
I mean, I go back to twenty nineteen when we
signed him. EA, in that first half first Buffalo, he
was clearly the best player on the field. I hated
that injuries derailed him that season because I think he
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was going to have a very very special year. And
then Covid happens the next year and we miss him
for the entire season. But then you talk about it, right,
twenty one, twenty two, and twenty three, three straight years
of one hundred and fifty tackles, constant pro bowler, the guy,
even when he was banged up, was showing up and
laying it on the line. I mean there were there
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were games that probably most players would have shut it
down and CJ. Moseley went out there and later on
I vividly remember I think it was the twenty two
season that goal line almost that goal line stands with CJ.
Moseley smacked the running back from Denver and the whole
Oh my goodness, Like what that did to you? Ignite
the defense? You know, that's that just encapsulates what CJ.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Moseley is.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Like, if there's a blade of grass to protect, he's
going out there to do it. Like that's his mindset
and his mentality. So can't thank him enough. We'll go
down as one of the great Jets. I just hate
that a few injuries kind of derailed him from being
probably one of the greatest Jets linebackers in Jets history.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Well said, dudes, Brandon Stevens.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Do you view him now as CB two, as DJ
Reid obviously exits and he ironically is going to Detroit?
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the irony of that, right, But Brandon
Stevens another guy. He's one of those guys like you
know how he a coaches say, he's a guy that
you want coming off the bus first, right, because he
just looks the part, right. I believe he's like six
two six' three and he's well put together and can.
RUN i can, run, run and he's another. Player we
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talked About Andre cisco a little, bit and we're going
to talk about him. More Josh Myers okafoor another guy
that had a better twenty three season where he actually
showed some versatility to play safety and, corner and last
year had some struggles more.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Specifically in man.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Coverage so this goes back to conversations we were having
before we came on the. Pod it'll be interesting to
see the philosophy Of Steve wolks's defense because him And
Aaron glenn kind of different in some manners where they
both like the, pressure But aaron ag likes the pressure
and go, man Where Steve wilkes likes the pressure.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And goes zone dog and go zone, coverage.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Right so it'll be interesting to see how they messed
their philosophies together and what this defense will truly look
like Because Brandon stevens again and this could be a confidence.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Thing and this is the thing at.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Corner when you get beat a few, times you got
to have like a mindset of a. Fish and they
say fishes forget things right, away but that can weigh
on you as a, corner, right AND i think at
times it may have weighed on him last. YEAR i
THINK ag feels like with the tape that we saw
in twenty, THREE i can develop this guy and get
him out of this funk and get him back to
playing with the confidence he was playing with at twenty,
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three because, again, yea he looks the, part he can,
run and again he was really good in twenty, three
just had some struggles in twenty.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Four, Man i'm circ this coaching, staff especially at that
cornerback in the secondary, spot because you Got Chris earrison,
here you Got drake Bly in.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Here these guys played the.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Game Aaron glenn a first round, pick he played fifteen
seasons in The National Football. League So i'm going to
be fascinated to watch the development of some of the
young players in defensive.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Backfield And i'm.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
So glad you brought that up because Even Steve wilkes
by trade as a defensive back.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Coach.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Right SO i think when you talk about getting some
of these guys that are young with high upside that
maybe didn't have as productive twenty fours as twenty, threes,
well we have guys like Dra bli who played in
The Super, bowl who's been A Pro. Bowler we HAVE
ag who was a pro bowler with The New York.
Jets we Have Steve, wilkes who was a defensive back
coach by. Trade we have the guys here to get
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these guys back to playing at that high level that
they played in twenty. Three so, again when they targeted
guys in free, AGENCY i think a lot of that
had to do with the coaching staff that was put
in place that they're confident that they can get these
guys back to playing at the high levels they were playing.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
At all, right we knew there were gonna be multiple
changes at the safety position because The jets enter free
agency with four guys who were on expiring. Deals with
that being, said you Mentioned. Cisco he's a kid who
was born In. Queens he grew up In Valley. Stream
he want The. SYRACUSE i think his family had season
tickets To jets, games so he's coming. HOME i like
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his ballwking. Ability and that's one thing where you can
point to over the last few seasons for The, jets
they just haven't had enough. Takeaways here is a guy
who's athletic who's going to play that free safety position for.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
You can you speak to maybe when he was at
his height in twenty.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Three what was the difference between him and what you
saw In jacksonville twenty four because that whole defensive backfield
had issues In, jacksonville but it was the whole group.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
There.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Ye we alluded to that in the beginning of this
podcast that it had been it's kind of interesting to
see what they were asking that secondary to. Do and
then once again we talked about this With Brandon stevens.
Earlier you, know as a defensive, back like you got
to have the probably most confidence in any other position
on the, FIELD i would, say besides, quarterback because you're
going to get beat, sometimes, right but you have to
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let that go and be able to move. On he's
at his best when he's the middlefield. Safety you talked
about his ballhawking, ability him being able to go track the,
football AND i think that's What Aaron glenn And Steve
wolks will have him do here as. Well it wasn't
to your, point it wasn't just, him the whole, secondary
which was revamped a little bit last year For. JACKSONVILLE
i would, say Besides jerry And, jones the young guy
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that they took From Florida state in the.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Draft he actually had a pretty good.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Year but besides, him nobody in that secondary really played
well last.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Year SO i know.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
This is it feels good For Andre cisco to be
able to come back home a team that he cheered
on when he was younger and to get a fresh.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Start.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Right SO i think, again Ag Steve Steve wilks their.
Moujie they look at that twenty three tape and, saying
this guy was unbelievable as a, middlefield you, know ballhawk and.
Safety let's get him back to doing what he's good
at and what he loves to. Do So i'm excited
to see him get a fresh start In New york as.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Well, okay so it sounds like The jets are gonna
Get Isaiah oliver, back AND i think that is under
the radar signing or agreed out a. Doubt he's A
Swiss army, knife. Right he can do a lot of
things in the, defense some backfield and need players like
that in Today's National Football, league without a.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Doubt he's a guy that can play in the. Slot
he's a guy that can play. Safety he's a guy
when you go dying, personnel when you have six dbs out,
There he's the other guy that plays in the slot
opposite Of Michael.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Carter SO i love this. Now the thing that sucked
for him last year he.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Got banged up earlier in the year and missed a
good portion of, games but he actually came on really
strong towards the back end of the, year playing at
the safety position and playing some slot corner Because Michael
carter got banged. Up SO i really love the you talked.
About it is, versatility him being A swiss army. KNIFE
i twooted that when that, deal you, know like it
was coming down the, pike THAT i love.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
This deal just because of his.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Versatility AND i think we didn't get to see the
Best Isaiah oliver because he was banged.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Up now he played really well down the.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Stretch But i'm looking forward to him getting integrated into
this defense and again with his, versatility he could be
competing to be the opposite starter Of Andre cisco in this. Defense,
hey were.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
You And Bart scott celebrating when you heard The jets
edition OF a one?
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Technique you, KNOW i was, LIKE i was so appy
Because i've been saying this for the. Longest man like
the defensive, line AND i don't think this takes away
from the j just potentially taking a de tackle high
in the. Draft but we've had to switch up multiple
defensive tackles in multiple. YEARS i, Mean Javon kinlow's, Gone
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Solomon thomas is. Gone you, know before, that it Was Sheldon,
Rankins Quintin. Jefferson SO i love the signing Of Derek
nadi just because you Had Super bowl. Experience this guy
before last. YEAR i believe was a starter for six
or seven straight years for The Kansas City, chiefs AND
i went back and watched That Super bowl. Game he
still he can still play at a pretty high, level
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like in regards to being able to get off blocks and,
be you, know be a tough out in the run.
Game and that's something that The jets really need as.
Well so not only did they sign, him they Signed
jay To. Fela they also Signed Byron Cohart cohart who
was actually coming off a career year with The Chicago
bears as.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Well so, again these are both young.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Players that have high upside that didn't break the bank
in regards to signing them in free.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Agency all, right.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
So we're gonna talk about the draft upcom meaning.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
In a comprehensive, way but just right now here after
a week in free. Agency if you're looking at The
jets at number, seven let me throw some names at.
You Tyler warren ste arline member Tackle, Missouri Will campbell
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tackle l S, U Mason graham defensive Tackle. Michigan do
you all think do you think ultimately it's one of
those four if The jets stay at.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
SEVEN i think there's a name you missied on that,
List Tenor roe. McMillan, okay the big receiver From.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Arizona but, YEAH i think it's gonna be one of
those five. Names, okay If Mason graham isn't there at,
seven which Again jacksonville could potentially take him at, FIVE
i Think Arman membo is a, real real. Consideration we
talked about right tackle still being in need for The,
jets and this guy is clearly the best right tackle
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in this draft and it's not even.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Close why is the stock?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
RISING i don't think.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
IT i don't think IT'S i, mean it may be
rising to the outside, world BUT i don't think for
for scouts it's. RISING i think he's always been in
the consideration for a top ten, pick And i've talked
to a few people we go back to a few
years ago When Darnell, wright remember he ended up BEING i,
believe the first tackle taking in the draft at number,
ten and a lot of people were. Surprised we got
to look at THE nfl, today like it's not just
about being a blind side. Tackle the right tackles are
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getting picked just as much as the left tackles. Are,
now people Consider Lane johnson the best tackle in, football
and he's a right, tackle Right and then you go
Into detroit and pinay, sewell he's a right tackle as,
well and some people consider him one of the best
or second best tackles in. Football so you're talking about,
two if the best of not the best tackles in,
football being right. Tackles so when you look at Our Mam,
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MEMBU i just go to That TEXAS a AND m,
game because a lot of those dudes when that defensive
line are going in the first, round and if not
the first, round the second. Round and WHEN i tell,
you he handled all of them and made it look
easy at. Time the athletic ability to run off the
line of scrimmage and cut people off on the, backside
and the strength at the point of attack in his run,
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game the physicality and the ability and his kickstep to
hold up against power when guys try to go speed to,
power but also the athletic ability when guys try, to you,
know use speed on the edge to run them by
the quarterback or just dis mantle. Them like there's a
saying that offensive line coaches use pass protection doesn't have
to be, passive and he fits that mold because he's
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not passive in past protection at. All he's trying to
take your heart out your. Soul SO i love it
from a standpoint of how his mentality is.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Now people were worried about his.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
HEIGHT i think he's still checked in at around six,
three almost sixty.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Four they worried about his arm. LENGTH i didn't think
it was that big of an.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Issue it wasn't an issue on tape, Either SO i
think that's a home run pick if the jests do
take him at. Seven BUT i brought Up tetoro McMillan
just BECAUSE i think he would be the perfect compliment
To Gary. Olson Like Garrett wilson is going to kill
you in zone. Coverage he's gonna spot up in his zone.
Coverage he knows how to beat man. Coverage but if
you need that big receiver to go up and it's
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not fifty fifty jump balls With tetroll. McMillan it's more
eighty twenty like he's coming down with the football if
it's in its.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Vicinity people were worried about his long.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Speed believe he clocked in it between a four four
eight and a four or five, five depending on who
you talk to and what scout you talk. To before
a guy that's six foot, four two hundred and fifteen,
pounds that's plenty of speed. Enough i've seen him on
tape on over routes separate from defensive. Backs and again
his ability when all us, fails if you just give
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him an opportunity to go and high point the, football
that's what he can. Do so When Justin fields gets
in trouble and he sees that it's a man coverage
on the outside Because garrett's getting double throw it up
to Tennor, Rowe he's gonna come down with the.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Football SO i think he could be a major need
in the red.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Zone but also when you talk about just that big
body receiver that can go up and make plays for,
you that's what he can. Do and people always worry
about bigger receivers getting in and out of breaks on.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Tape it's not a issue for.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Him.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
Man that is a great teams for what's to come
in the. Weeks Head, DEUCE i was fun as always
and we'll catch.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
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Speaker 5 (00:24):
Welcome into the Official Jets Podcast. Eric Allen here inside
the studio, joined by Lejane Dudesable Dudes. Were about a
week into free agency. The Jets have been very active
on multiple fronts. Your overall thoughts thirty thousand foot field.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, I think there's a thing when you look at
a lot of the players that the Jets picked up
in free agency, the main theme being all of these
guys a running thirty years old, and then when you
look at a couple of these guys, they're coming on
I don't want to say down years, but not as
productive as the twenty three years. So when you look
at Aaron Glenn and his past and developing players, they
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looked at guys that have high upside, that are still
very young, that probably still have their best football in
front of him. So I think the Jets were very
strategic going into this free agency, making sure they targeted
certain players that were not over thirty years old, even
a guy like Derek Nadi. And I know we're going
to go into each players specifically, but this guy has
been a starter for majority of his career, didn't start
(01:27):
last year, but still can play at a high level
and it's still not thirty years old.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So I think I.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Don't want to use the word reclamation projects, but essentially
that's what ag and Darren Mooji did right. They went
and got some of these younger players that are coming
off years that weren't weren't their greatest years in the NFL,
but still a lot of upside to him.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Do you think that speaks to the confidence that Aaron
not only has in himself but his staff that we're
going to be able to take some of these guys
who might have struggled most recently and we're going to
develop them in house. And then the other side of
the coin of that is, hey, if these guys don't
come along, a lot of these deals do is our team.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Frontly without a doubt, and I think they structured those
deals where they can get out of a lot of
these deals. A lot of them are one year deals,
but a couple of the deals they can get out
in one or two years.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So I think it was smart by this staff.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And also, like you said, to speak to the confidence
of Aaron Glenn and his developmental skills. The thing is
when you're watching players and then you see it done
correctly on tape one time, that means they can do
it again.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
And I think that's what Aaron Glenn is thinking.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
That there's so much that goes into a player his
psyche going into a contract year, and a lot of
times players are so worried about playing their best football
that they play a little tight and that could have
been an issue. I mean, Andre Cisco, I know we're
talking about him later, but that whole secondary struggle in
Jacksonville that could be not just on him, it could
be schematic wise what they were asking him to do.
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So AG looks at the twenty three tape and says,
this guy was unbelieved. Let's get him on our team.
He's also a local kid, I believe from Long Island.
So it's gonna mean something for him to come back
to the Jets, and I believe I can get him
back to that player that he was in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
All Right, who are the Jets getting in Justin fields
Sky went four and two as a starter last year
in Pittsburgh. A lot of the media reports are the
Steelers wanted him back instead. He said, you know what,
I'm going to the Jets again. He's coming off the
season where he started those first six games Russell was injured.
He ten touchdowns, ten total touchdowns, five on the ground,
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five passing touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
He turned it over just twice and.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
That was the biggest thing, him protecting the football because
that was the issue when he was a younger quarterback.
And the crazy thing is, I say a younger quarterback,
This guy literally just turned twenty five years old and
he's been in the league it seems like forever already.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
So this is a young guy with a lot of upside.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
You talked about him taking the Steelers to a four
and two record in the beginning of last year. We
know how dynamic he is with his legs in the
open field, and what people don't talk about enough is
how physical he is. When he becomes a runner, he's
extremely hard to bring down. So you always hear the
terminology plus one in a run game. That's what Justin
Fields gives you. But don't get a toiche. And this
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guy can throw the pill. Let's not forget. DJ Moore's
best career year was with Justin Fields, not all the
other quarterbacks he played with. It was with Justin Fields,
so he can definitely throw the ball down the field.
I think also with Derrick Mujie and also ag they
looked at this and said, he's got some synergy and
some continuity with our number one receiver, right because he
(04:37):
played with Garrett Wilson in college. He played with Germany
Record in college. And oh, by the way, we signed
his center and Josh Myers to bring him along as well.
So he's gonna have some familiar faces on this team
where he feels comfortable, knows he's going to be the
starter from day one, and we're praying and hoping that
we can continue to develop this guy and maybe there's
a potential for him to be the long term franchise
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quarterback for the New York Jets. And I think that's
what Justin Fields was looking at and why he decided
to sign with the New York just because he knows
there's an opportunity if he shows right that he could
potentially be the quarterback of the future.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Six three eight to one hundred and twenty seven pounds,
he just turned twenty six years old, and he's coming
off a year in Pittsburgh where he set career highs
in terms of completion percentage and passer rating. What do
you think about his fit in the system now? Tanner
Engstrom has not called to play. We know that he's
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a passing game coordinator with the Lions, but just looking
at the personnel, and I really liked the explosive element
potentially offensively when you got Fields taking snaps under center,
you got Breise Hall behind you, and then you got
Karrent Wilson is your number one receiver. Those guys all
can take a ball and go fifty plus to dolls.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
And it'll be interesting to see Tanner Einstring put it
handprint on this.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Offense and what will that exactly exactly look like.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
We don't know because to your point, Yay, he hasn't
called games right from the offensive quarters. Or offensive coordinator standpoint. Now,
I did love the signing of Scott Turner to help
him out. He's a guy who's called a lot of
players as his time as an offensive coordinator and been
a coach on the offensive side. So I think those
two will come together to have an offense Taylor to
(06:25):
Justin Field's skill set. Could we see more rpo right
with Justin Fields because that's an element of his game
that separates him from a lot of other quarterbacks. And
also when you talk about the subsequent pieces on the
outside of Garrett Wilson, but then also in the backfield
of Bresaw, you have to talk about this young offensive line.
Let's not forget tennor ingstring. Where'd he come from the
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Detroit Lions. What do they want to do there? Run
the football? You don't think he's gonna want to run
the football with this young offensive line the Jets have,
right when.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
You look at the youth of this.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Offensive line from the Jets, besides it's John Simpson and
everybody else is essentially the starters on rookie deals. Now
there is a needed right tackle and that could potentially
happen in the draft or there's still some free agents
out there as well. But when you talk about a young,
hungry offensive line, right gelling together, they are going to
want to run the ball where Breese Hall to take
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some pressure off Justin Fields. And let's not forget we
talked about it earlier. EA, Justin Fields is going to
be part of the run game, right, He's gonna be
plus one in the run game as well. So I'm
excited to see what tenner Ingstring does with this offense
when he puts his handprint on it. What will be
the philosophy for this offensive and what will its identity be.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I can't wait to see that.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Man.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
This whole podcast could be on Justin Fields. But let's
stay here for a second. You played defensive line in
the National Football League for more than ten years. What
kind of pressure does a guy like Fields point on
the defense that front seven? Because you mentioned RPOs, the
zone reads, the runs and then also just making a
(08:02):
second play with his feet.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
When things break down and there's nobody open, and you
could have the perfect defensive call. EA, with a guy
like Justin feels it doesn't matter because he can break
down the perfect play with his mobility. And I talked
about his strength like it's hard to bring him down
because you talked about a sixty three two hundred and
twenty seven pounds, Like that's a big running back in
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the league, right, So, like that's tough to bring down
in the open field. And then when you have him
in the open space and he's able to break contain
when a defensive line doesn't have pass rush lane responsibility,
Now you're talking about him one on one with his
dynamic ability, with his mobility and speed on a linebacker,
he's gonna win that ten out of ten times because
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that's how dynamic he is with it legs.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
So it puts so much stress on a.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Defensive line because you want to be aggressive when you
rush the passer, but you gotta be smart too, because
if you're too aggressive and you end up having a
big open a gap because both the tackles decided to
run on the rush on the outside of the guard
and now there's a gaping hole. Not only is it
a passing lane for him, but he could keep the
ball and run in that a gap and pick up
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first downs. We saw that multiple times last year with
the Pittsburgh Shielders, more specifically on third down.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You got to think about this right.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
This is a defensive minded coaching Aaron Glynn, and he
knows what the skill set that Justin Fields has. He
could just keep the offense on the field by scampering
and picking up some first downs with his legs. He
wants to be able to control the ball and play
good defense. And with a mobile quarterback like Justin Fields,
that's why it's so tough for defenses to scheme against.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
This is a hell of an opportunity for Fields. Where
does he have to get better? When you watch the
film and say, okay, listen, he's shown glimpses. He's the
former number eleven overall picking the draft back in twenty
twenty one. He had a strength there a couple of
years ago with the Chicago Bears, where he became the
second player in NFL history to have one at least
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one rush touchdout and one pass touchdown in five consecutive games.
The only other players done that is Kyler Murray in
twenty twenty. Where does he have to get Butterfields?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So you go back to last year when they're four
and two and Mike Tomlin makes a tough decision to
go with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
It was because the lack of the deep passing game.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Now we talked about EA, He's gotten better every single
year when it comes to completion percentage, but the accuracy
down the field when you want to try to get
some of those explosive plays to keep that safety out
out of the box so you can run the ball effectively,
that's where he has to take his game to the
next level. I saw him grow in progressions right going
through his progressions last year. He got extremely better than that,
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better than he was his first couple of years in
the league because it used to be the first red
wasn't there was a tuck and run. But you saw
him last year get to his first, second and third
read and get the ball out of his hands. Now
he has to put it all together and be able
to throw the ball down the field and complete some
of those big passes down the field. Again, tanner Anstrom
comes from the Troy Lions. They're gonna want to run
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the football, but the way to get that extra safety
out of the box, you gott to threaten the ball
down the field and the team has.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
The respect that you can make that throw down the field.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
So that's where Justin Phields has to continue to grow
as a player from the quarterback position.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
It's the accuracy on the downfield throwing.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
I'm watching the emphasis in this attack on the play
action game is gonna help fields.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
It's gonna be monumental. Right, we talked about this young
offensive line. John Simpson is a guy that will rip
your face mask off as well. Now again, well is
to be determined who potentially is the right tackle. I
know me and u EA have been through some scenarios.
Could Josh Meyers slide into center, Could Joe Tipman move
to guard? Could Avt go back to right tackle. I
think all that is up to be determined, just depending
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on what to just do for the rest of free agency,
because I know it seems like it's been a month,
but to your point, yea, it hasn't even been a
week of free agency yet, Like there's still a lot
of good players out there to play. And I know
people getting enamored with the opening day when the new
league year starts or the tampering period starts, because everybody's.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Like, why isn't this team doing this? Why aren't they
doing that?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
We're not even a weekend to free agency. There's a
couple of waves and tiers of free agency. There's that
initial wave, then there's the second wave, then there's a
quick small wave right before the draft, and then after
the draft there's another wave for free agency where teams
didn't get to pick certain players that they wanted to
fill out the roster. That's that last wave before it's
(12:34):
training camp. So we're still a long way away from
determining what this team will look like, uh, because of
the personnel, and the Jets still have a lot of
pieces to add as well.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So you talked about the play action pass game.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
It's going to be monumental, right, but you have to
be able to establish a run to have an effective
play action pass game, and I know that's something that
Tanner andstring is going to want to establish with the
New York Jets.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
All right, let's jump around off Tyler Johnson, the receiver
who most recently played with the Rams. He signs a
free agency as does Stone Smart coming over from the Chargers.
So both those guys making the trip from the West
coast to the northeast.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Can you tell me about their potential fits?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, Stone Smart, I love that pick.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
I don't know if anybody follows me on Twitter, I
went to Twitter right away, it was like, that's an
amazing pick. A little bit surprised the Chargers didn't tender
him because he was a restricted free agent, a massive
human being, right, and he's able to go get the
ball in the red zone. He really came on strong
at the end of the year when they had some
injuries to the tight end position. So again, was a
little bit surprised they didn't tender him. But I love
(13:45):
this pickup because I believe he can be a weapon
down the scene for justin fields and also be a
weapon in the red zone going up in high pointing
and going to get the football.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
He's an athletic tight end.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Really loved that signing because it wasn't like it was
a as far as findingly, it wasn't a massive signing
for the Jets. But again, when you look at roster
construction and roster makeup, you need guys like Stone Smart
to have a good football team. And then Tyler Johnson
is a guy that's kind of been steady at he
was with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with the Rams, and
(14:15):
it's just weird when you look at his game, he
ate there's always.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Like one or two games.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
He just explodes on the scene and he had that
last year with the Los Angeles Rams as well, So
he'll be a guy that's probably mixing it up for
that number three, four and five spot at the receiver position.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
He will also give you some help on special teams
as well.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
He was a standout receiver at Minnesota. You mentioned that
Tampa Bay drafted him. He got some time last year
with the Rams after the previous season. I think most
of the year he spent on their practice squad. But
you mentioned Swart and his ability to get down the field.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
You're seeing an emphasis of speed here.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Of what Aaron Gladd and Darren Muji wants to do
here to put pressure.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
On the defenses.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
And I'm not saying any of these guys are in
the category of Jameson Williams or Gibbs. But when you
think of Wilson and we talked about this before, and
you think about Greece Hall, those are guys who can
put a lot of stress on the defense and then
smart when you use them in packages. You have to
account for his vertical ability.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
And again I think his athletic ability and ability to get.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Down the seam.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I think the Chargers realized, like, this guy can play
some ball, Like, let's start getting into him.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I think it was Will Disley that kind of got
banged up for them towards the end of the year,
and that's when Stone Smart really stepped up for them.
So again, a very young player was supposed to be
a restricted free agent. They didn't tender him, so he
became a free agent. A little bit surprised the Chargers
didn't try to bring him back, and they may have,
but maybe he decided he just wanted a fresh start
somewhere else. So I like that pick up a lot again.
(15:52):
He came another young player that came on strong late
last year.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
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Speaker 1 (16:06):
What do you make about the moves up front?
Speaker 5 (16:08):
The Jets like their young centaer Joe Tipman A g
called him out Indianapolis, but you're bringing a guy Myers,
Josh Myers, who not only snapped the ball to justin
fields of Ohio State, he's got a lot of starting
experience the previous four seasons at the pivot for the
Green Bay Packers, and.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
How about a corps four.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
He's a guy who played one week with the Patriots
last year. We don't know the full story, but previously
he was a starter for the Pittsburgh Steelers, and I
got to think that he's looking at this as an
opportunity to either compete at the right tackle position or
at the very least.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Dudes, maybe he's a swing tack layer.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah, I go back to what their Mouji and also
ag have kind of targeted when it comes to this
free agent class.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Right Oka four, We'll start with him.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
You talked about it was a constant starter for the
Pittsburgh Steelers and honestly thought he had a chance to be,
you know, the starter of day one in New England. Now,
again we don't know the story and why it didn't
work out there, but it goes back to the theme
of kind of like reclamation project, like a guy that
had a decent or pretty good twenty three season, but
not a good twenty four season.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
And you talked about it.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Josh Myers was essentially a four year starter for the
Green Bay Packers, but he's coming off a down year.
Wasn't one of his best years in protection as well.
And I talked about the psyche of going into free agency.
Sometimes players just play a little tight. You don't know
what they're doing schematically or what they're asking him to do.
Was he maybe banged up last year as well and
wanted to fight through some things because he was going
to be a free agent.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
You just never know that.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
But for what the Jets signed him for, I think
that's a home run pick one because again you talked
about it, the continuity and synergy has with Justin Fields
having a stat for him at Ohio State, and when
you go back to his twenty three and twenty two tape,
it was really good, like he was being considered as
a top like five center in this league. So I
love it from the standpoint because, yes, Joe Tipman is amazing,
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but you always need a consummate backup and then you're
gonna want the best starting five out there.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Now. Again, would love to keep Joe Tipman at.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Center, but if Josh Mayas proved throughout training camp that
with him at center Tipman at guard, that we have
our best starting five, then you have to make that
move right at the end of the day, it's about
having the best starting five out there.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
And that's why I think a lot of.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Times coaches more specifically trained or cross trained guys at
different positions just for that instance. If something like that happens,
say you got two really good centers, but you can't
play two centers at one time, you move one guy
to guard, and you have your best starting five out there.
Let's not also forget Tipman plays some guard his rookie year,
so that he has that versatility.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
To do that as well.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Now, again I would love to keep Tipman at center,
but you want to ultimately put your best starting five
out there.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah. The bottom line is the Jets.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
You can expect them to continue to add to the
offensive line. Look at where Aaron Glenn just came from
to destroy life and it all started up front for them.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
So let's flip into the defensive side of the wall.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
How much credit did you give Mujie for getting a
Sherwood deal down before he hits the market, because we
were both in Indianapolis and everybody was talking about how
many suitors he was gonna have if he hit free agency.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah, I don't think people understood it. And I was
saying that, you know this all last year. I was like,
sure was gonna have a crazy market and people were
looking at me crazy, and I'm like, if you watch
the tape, this young man is an ascending player, like
Pro Bowl type ascending player. And you saw his trajectory
year in the year out like because he would start
at Sam Becker for the Jets.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
But it's rare in today's NFL.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
The teams don't come out in eleven personnel, which means
you're gonna go Nickel, which means.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Your third linebacker is not gonna play.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
But every time he kind of spots started for CJ,
he would just continue to make plays. And I remember
talking to Robert slind He was saying, Jamie and Sherwood
is one of the smartest players I've ever coached, right.
He said that as a rookie, So you knew that
the mental capacity was going to be there. He was
making that transition from safety to linebacker, so you knew
it was only a matter of time before he developed.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
The more reps he got, and you saw.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
The speed that he plays with I mean with him
at Quincy Wilson, they might be maybe the fastest tandement
linebacker in all the NFL because those guys get from.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
East to west extremely fast.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Sherwood had ninety eight solo tackles, which is astronomical because
he didn't even.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Start in the beginning of the year.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
So like for him to have that type of production,
there was going to be a great market.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
And then when you're that young and you're an.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
As sending player because you're only a one year starter,
NFL is all about projection.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
EA, people are projecting it.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
He's going to be even better right in the future
because he did only start one year. So I thought
that was a key piece that they absolutely had to
bring back. Shout out to Darren Moji to GM and
also AG forgetting that deal done.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
They got both third quarterbacks done here in free agency
on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
They targeted fields.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
They got him even though Pittsburgh wanted him back, and
then they got Sherwood. They're Mike linebacker And shout out
to CJ. Moseley, just an unbelievable professional throughout the time here. Yeah,
the captain.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Just a person who was adored throughout the building.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
And I'm not saying just inside that locker room, consummate professional.
He had three straight seasons of one hundred and fifty
plus tackles.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
When he went down.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Though, Sherwood was ready, and Sherwood told me tous Moseley
met everything to him and that is the circle of
football life.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah, you couldn't have a better vet to learn from,
right if you're Jamie and Sherwood than CJ. Mosley the captain.
I mean, I go back to twenty nineteen when we
signed him. EA, in that first half first Buffalo, he
was clearly the best player on the field. I hated
that injuries derailed him that season because I think he
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was going to have a very very special year. And
then Covid happens the next year and we miss him
for the entire season. But then you talk about it, right,
twenty one, twenty two, and twenty three, three straight years
of one hundred and fifty tackles, constant pro bowler, the guy,
even when he was banged up, was showing up and
laying it on the line. I mean there were there
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were games that probably most players would have shut it
down and CJ. Moseley went out there and later on
I vividly remember I think it was the twenty two
season that goal line almost that goal line stands with CJ.
Moseley smacked the running back from Denver and the whole
Oh my goodness, Like what that did to you? Ignite
the defense? You know, that's that just encapsulates what CJ.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Moseley is.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Like, if there's a blade of grass to protect, he's
going out there to do it. Like that's his mindset
and his mentality. So can't thank him enough. We'll go
down as one of the great Jets. I just hate
that a few injuries kind of derailed him from being
probably one of the greatest Jets linebackers in Jets history.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Well said, dudes, Brandon Stevens.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Do you view him now as CB two, as DJ
Reid obviously exits and he ironically is going to Detroit?
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the irony of that, right, But Brandon
Stevens another guy. He's one of those guys like you
know how he a coaches say, he's a guy that
you want coming off the bus first, right, because he
just looks the part, right. I believe he's like six
two six' three and he's well put together and can.
RUN i can, run, run and he's another. Player we
(23:41):
talked About Andre cisco a little, bit and we're going
to talk about him. More Josh Myers okafoor another guy
that had a better twenty three season where he actually
showed some versatility to play safety and, corner and last
year had some struggles more.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Specifically in man.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Coverage so this goes back to conversations we were having
before we came on the. Pod it'll be interesting to
see the philosophy Of Steve wolks's defense because him And
Aaron glenn kind of different in some manners where they
both like the, pressure But aaron ag likes the pressure
and go, man Where Steve wilkes likes the pressure.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And goes zone dog and go zone, coverage.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Right so it'll be interesting to see how they messed
their philosophies together and what this defense will truly look
like Because Brandon stevens again and this could be a confidence.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Thing and this is the thing at.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Corner when you get beat a few, times you got
to have like a mindset of a. Fish and they
say fishes forget things right, away but that can weigh
on you as a, corner, right AND i think at
times it may have weighed on him last. YEAR i
THINK ag feels like with the tape that we saw
in twenty, THREE i can develop this guy and get
him out of this funk and get him back to
playing with the confidence he was playing with at twenty,
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three because, again, yea he looks the, part he can,
run and again he was really good in twenty, three
just had some struggles in twenty.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Four, Man i'm circ this coaching, staff especially at that
cornerback in the secondary, spot because you Got Chris earrison,
here you Got drake Bly in.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Here these guys played the.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Game Aaron glenn a first round, pick he played fifteen
seasons in The National Football. League So i'm going to
be fascinated to watch the development of some of the
young players in defensive.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Backfield And i'm.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
So glad you brought that up because Even Steve wilkes
by trade as a defensive back.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Coach.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Right SO i think when you talk about getting some
of these guys that are young with high upside that
maybe didn't have as productive twenty fours as twenty, threes,
well we have guys like Dra bli who played in
The Super, bowl who's been A Pro. Bowler we HAVE
ag who was a pro bowler with The New York.
Jets we Have Steve, wilkes who was a defensive back
coach by. Trade we have the guys here to get
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these guys back to playing at that high level that
they played in twenty. Three so, again when they targeted
guys in free, AGENCY i think a lot of that
had to do with the coaching staff that was put
in place that they're confident that they can get these
guys back to playing at the high levels they were playing.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
At all, right we knew there were gonna be multiple
changes at the safety position because The jets enter free
agency with four guys who were on expiring. Deals with
that being, said you Mentioned. Cisco he's a kid who
was born In. Queens he grew up In Valley. Stream
he want The. SYRACUSE i think his family had season
tickets To jets, games so he's coming. HOME i like
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his ballwking. Ability and that's one thing where you can
point to over the last few seasons for The, jets
they just haven't had enough. Takeaways here is a guy
who's athletic who's going to play that free safety position for.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
You can you speak to maybe when he was at
his height in twenty.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Three what was the difference between him and what you
saw In jacksonville twenty four because that whole defensive backfield
had issues In, jacksonville but it was the whole group.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
There.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Ye we alluded to that in the beginning of this
podcast that it had been it's kind of interesting to
see what they were asking that secondary to. Do and
then once again we talked about this With Brandon stevens.
Earlier you, know as a defensive, back like you got
to have the probably most confidence in any other position
on the, FIELD i would, say besides, quarterback because you're
going to get beat, sometimes, right but you have to
(27:21):
let that go and be able to move. On he's
at his best when he's the middlefield. Safety you talked
about his ballhawking, ability him being able to go track the,
football AND i think that's What Aaron glenn And Steve
wolks will have him do here as. Well it wasn't
to your, point it wasn't just, him the whole, secondary
which was revamped a little bit last year For. JACKSONVILLE
i would, say Besides jerry And, jones the young guy
(27:42):
that they took From Florida state in the.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Draft he actually had a pretty good.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Year but besides, him nobody in that secondary really played
well last.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Year SO i know.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
This is it feels good For Andre cisco to be
able to come back home a team that he cheered
on when he was younger and to get a fresh.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Start.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Right SO i think, again Ag Steve Steve wilks their.
Moujie they look at that twenty three tape and, saying
this guy was unbelievable as a, middlefield you, know ballhawk and.
Safety let's get him back to doing what he's good
at and what he loves to. Do So i'm excited
to see him get a fresh start In New york as.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Well, okay so it sounds like The jets are gonna
Get Isaiah oliver, back AND i think that is under
the radar signing or agreed out a. Doubt he's A
Swiss army, knife. Right he can do a lot of
things in the, defense some backfield and need players like
that in Today's National Football, league without a.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Doubt he's a guy that can play in the. Slot
he's a guy that can play. Safety he's a guy
when you go dying, personnel when you have six dbs out,
There he's the other guy that plays in the slot
opposite Of Michael.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Carter SO i love this. Now the thing that sucked
for him last year he.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Got banged up earlier in the year and missed a
good portion of, games but he actually came on really
strong towards the back end of the, year playing at
the safety position and playing some slot corner Because Michael
carter got banged. Up SO i really love the you talked.
About it is, versatility him being A swiss army. KNIFE
i twooted that when that, deal you, know like it
was coming down the, pike THAT i love.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
This deal just because of his.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Versatility AND i think we didn't get to see the
Best Isaiah oliver because he was banged.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Up now he played really well down the.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Stretch But i'm looking forward to him getting integrated into
this defense and again with his, versatility he could be
competing to be the opposite starter Of Andre cisco in this. Defense,
hey were.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
You And Bart scott celebrating when you heard The jets
edition OF a one?
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Technique you, KNOW i was, LIKE i was so appy
Because i've been saying this for the. Longest man like
the defensive, line AND i don't think this takes away
from the j just potentially taking a de tackle high
in the. Draft but we've had to switch up multiple
defensive tackles in multiple. YEARS i, Mean Javon kinlow's, Gone
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Solomon thomas is. Gone you, know before, that it Was Sheldon,
Rankins Quintin. Jefferson SO i love the signing Of Derek
nadi just because you Had Super bowl. Experience this guy
before last. YEAR i believe was a starter for six
or seven straight years for The Kansas City, chiefs AND
i went back and watched That Super bowl. Game he
still he can still play at a pretty high, level
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like in regards to being able to get off blocks and,
be you, know be a tough out in the run.
Game and that's something that The jets really need as.
Well so not only did they sign, him they Signed
jay To. Fela they also Signed Byron Cohart cohart who
was actually coming off a career year with The Chicago
bears as.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Well so, again these are both young.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Players that have high upside that didn't break the bank
in regards to signing them in free.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Agency all, right.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
So we're gonna talk about the draft upcom meaning.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
In a comprehensive, way but just right now here after
a week in free. Agency if you're looking at The
jets at number, seven let me throw some names at.
You Tyler warren ste arline member Tackle, Missouri Will campbell
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tackle l S, U Mason graham defensive Tackle. Michigan do
you all think do you think ultimately it's one of
those four if The jets stay at.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
SEVEN i think there's a name you missied on that,
List Tenor roe. McMillan, okay the big receiver From.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Arizona but, YEAH i think it's gonna be one of
those five. Names, okay If Mason graham isn't there at,
seven which Again jacksonville could potentially take him at, FIVE
i Think Arman membo is a, real real. Consideration we
talked about right tackle still being in need for The,
jets and this guy is clearly the best right tackle
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in this draft and it's not even.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Close why is the stock?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
RISING i don't think.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
IT i don't think IT'S i, mean it may be
rising to the outside, world BUT i don't think for
for scouts it's. RISING i think he's always been in
the consideration for a top ten, pick And i've talked
to a few people we go back to a few
years ago When Darnell, wright remember he ended up BEING i,
believe the first tackle taking in the draft at number,
ten and a lot of people were. Surprised we got
to look at THE nfl, today like it's not just
about being a blind side. Tackle the right tackles are
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getting picked just as much as the left tackles. Are,
now people Consider Lane johnson the best tackle in, football
and he's a right, tackle Right and then you go
Into detroit and pinay, sewell he's a right tackle as,
well and some people consider him one of the best
or second best tackles in. Football so you're talking about,
two if the best of not the best tackles in,
football being right. Tackles so when you look at Our Mam,
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MEMBU i just go to That TEXAS a AND m,
game because a lot of those dudes when that defensive
line are going in the first, round and if not
the first, round the second. Round and WHEN i tell,
you he handled all of them and made it look
easy at. Time the athletic ability to run off the
line of scrimmage and cut people off on the, backside
and the strength at the point of attack in his run,
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game the physicality and the ability and his kickstep to
hold up against power when guys try to go speed to,
power but also the athletic ability when guys try, to you,
know use speed on the edge to run them by
the quarterback or just dis mantle. Them like there's a
saying that offensive line coaches use pass protection doesn't have
to be, passive and he fits that mold because he's
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not passive in past protection at. All he's trying to
take your heart out your. Soul SO i love it
from a standpoint of how his mentality is.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Now people were worried about his.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
HEIGHT i think he's still checked in at around six,
three almost sixty.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Four they worried about his arm. LENGTH i didn't think
it was that big of an.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Issue it wasn't an issue on tape, Either SO i
think that's a home run pick if the jests do
take him at. Seven BUT i brought Up tetoro McMillan
just BECAUSE i think he would be the perfect compliment
To Gary. Olson Like Garrett wilson is going to kill
you in zone. Coverage he's gonna spot up in his zone.
Coverage he knows how to beat man. Coverage but if
you need that big receiver to go up and it's
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not fifty fifty jump balls With tetroll. McMillan it's more
eighty twenty like he's coming down with the football if
it's in its.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Vicinity people were worried about his long.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Speed believe he clocked in it between a four four
eight and a four or five, five depending on who
you talk to and what scout you talk. To before
a guy that's six foot, four two hundred and fifteen,
pounds that's plenty of speed. Enough i've seen him on
tape on over routes separate from defensive. Backs and again
his ability when all us, fails if you just give
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him an opportunity to go and high point the, football
that's what he can. Do so When Justin fields gets
in trouble and he sees that it's a man coverage
on the outside Because garrett's getting double throw it up
to Tennor, Rowe he's gonna come down with the.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Football SO i think he could be a major need
in the red.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
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body receiver that can go up and make plays for,
you that's what he can. Do and people always worry
about bigger receivers getting in and out of breaks on.
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Tape it's not a issue for.
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Him.
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Man that is a great teams for what's to come
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