September 17, 2025 • 36 mins
Following a challenging week for netball, the team assess the current situation as we count down to the Taini Jamieson Series, which starts this weekend.
The team believe stand in coach Yvette McCausland-Durie will galvanise the team for the upcoming series against South Africa!
South Africa assistant coach Zanele Mdodana also joins the podcast to shares insight into transitioning from player to coach and how this Proteas team has prepared for this tour!
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Former Silver Ferns Adine Wilson and Anna Stanley along with commentator Jenny Woods drill down on the big issues and celebrate the big moments.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Inside, therefore getting you closer to the game you love.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
With Nadine Wilson, Annah Stanley and Jenny Woods sow By
News Talks, that'd be htta Koto.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
And welcome to Inside Netball.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
The full team is back this week and after what
has been a significantly challenging time for our sport over
the last week, today we move forward as we preview
the upcoming Tiny Jamison series between the Ferns and the
Pro Tears. We are fortunate enough to have a special
guest join us, the assistant coach of the South African.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Netble team, zanale M Dudana.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We'll discuss where to from here for the head coaching
role of the Silver Ferns if in fact Knowles's contract
is not renewed. The New Zealand Open Champs has just
wrapped up for twenty twenty five plus a big positive
commercial deal has just been secured across the ditch. What
does that mean for the Aussie Diamonds. Well, ladies, it's
been a big another week, first Test is coming up
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and the first of the Silver Fern players, Carlin Berger,
has spoken out publicly on everything that's gone down. What
are our thoughts gen on how that came across.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
I thought she did really well, and I thought what
she did was what we've been sort of talking about
earlier last week, was that you just speak speak your
own truths. Essentially, you say, you know, you describe your
experiences with Noline. She said, I've had no problems, but
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you have to respect the others. And I think, I mean,
she's a class act.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Karen Berger. I ready take my hat off to her.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And the other person.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I've been impressed with Avet McAuslan jury the way she
has spoken in fronted the media, because there has not
been a lot coming as we know from New Zealand.
She's fronted, she's been authentic, she's been honest, and I
think that's exactly the conversations that you get a sense
of what she's telling us they have had within the group.
Everyone needs to respect everybody's opinions. You're not always going
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to agree with those opinions, but we all have a
responsibility to put our best foot forward and turn up
and play with pride for the silver ferns.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
And I think that's what.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
A VET to me seems to have from the outside,
from what she has said, has done an excellent job
of looking ahead, not back. She's brought in some really
key people, Darren Shan's come in to provide that support,
and I think that's what we all have to do.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
We all have to look forward.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
None of us have walked in some of these people's shoes,
none of us know the full story. So how do
you want a test match under all of that? And
I love the fact she doesn't want to know the
full story either. She said she actually doesn't want to know.
She wants to, as you say, get this group move
forward in the right direction. And perhaps if she knows
the full story, that might cloud part of the process
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that she's going through with the team.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I think she's the best person person to put in
the job. She hasn't been involved in netbil over the
last year, but she has maintained those relationships.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
She's kept her finger on the pole.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
She's done game on with you, Adean, and as you say,
she's just I've always warmed her Evet. You know, she's
done commentary with the guy sports. She's very empathetic, she's calm.
I think she'll galvanize that group of Silver fans while
leading into the series. And I love the fact too
she talked about the fact, because we talked about it
last week, who's going to be the captain? And I
love again she fronted and went, I'm not going to
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pick a captain. I'm going to roll with I have
not been part of the process to date. I'm going
to use the leadership group that's been there for X
amount of time. Yes, we will have to appoint someone
on the day because you have to have a captain
on the court that the umpires were speaking to. But again,
I think that shows a lot of respect, but while
also looking forward and thinking what's best for the wider team.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I like too the fact that she has Leana Liota
with her, who let's remember, was it last year or
the year before she I mean she was coaching the
Silver Ferns when they they won the series against.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
England, coaching England. She was coaching England.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Confusing she was she stepped.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
In for the old England coach that couldn't come.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yes, Charny Layton was there for Norton, was there when
they did the Aussie part and are used to this
sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, No, I think Leanna was a good move as well,
which you must think that she is being looked at
from Netball New Zealand as the potential predecessor, because you know,
Yvette said that she can only step in for the
tiny Jemison. She can't with her commitments with her Kuta,
the school that she's running. So you go, okay, well
who's going to step in? Who's going to step in? Then?
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Do you think they need to have more than just
Leana with Yvette? Do you think they should be bringing
in Bubby, having more apprentice coaches, bringing in Donna sitting
on the bench, because looking forward that these are the
times that you're going to learn off these coaches like Yvette.
But maybe a vet I read it slightly differently. I
wonder if she hasn't even looked at that next stage.
All she looked at was can I come out and
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do this first piece, which is a tiny Emerson.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So I wouldn't rule her out entirely from con Cup
just yet, but you're right, I think, yes, you do
start looking at those wider coaches. But again, everything's happened
in such a short space of time. It's almost been
we heard her events say she only got the call
on the Wednesday, So evenything's happened. Some stuff should have
happened much quicker. At least this has happened fast, and
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events come in with a huge amount of manner.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Well, I wonder too.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
You know, she's she and her husband are running that school,
so that's no small job, and I just don't think
that you can perhaps, No, she said.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That it works now because we're week ten, which is
the last week of ten, rolls into the school holidays,
and then I'm pretty sure she said on the news
that after that it's going to be unlikely that she'll be.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Able to Yeah, but I mean available, but you never know.
Another name that got thrown up the other day was
Casey Corporula. I mean she coach bring her into the
groomer and bring her into.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
The group as a cultural Well why not.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
I mean look what she did.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
She came out of the back blocks of wake at
her last year and yeah, no that was godless. That
was this year and you know, to almost turn the
giants chances around.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
But and she's someone that's got the respective, but she's
got the money.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, that's what you need.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Well, from one coach to another, we are now fortunate
to have with us the assistant coach of the Pro
Tears Zanelli Mnddana. She's a former South African player eighty
two tests she's played for a country. She's also a
supersport commentator, where Jenny and I were lucky enough to
work with her in Cape Town at the recent World Cup,
where we had plenty of laughs.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Inside Nepple the Inside Netball Podcast.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Man, thanks for joining us, Welcome to New Zealand. Fabulous
to have you on our side of the world after
you hosted Jen and I so graciously in Cape Town
back at the World Cup.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
How's the team settling in the jet lag?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
How are you?
Speaker 6 (06:53):
Yeah? Well, thank you so much, guys, thanks for having me.
It's good to be to be back. I mean the
last time I was here I was a player and
the weather hasn't changed. Yeah, I know the team is
settling in well. Obviously we struggled for the first few days.
You know, ten hours South Africa is ten hours ahead,
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so we find ourselves yawning, you know, training time when
everybody's awake. But we got in. We took a day
off just to relax and find our feet. But now
we've we've hit the court, so.
Speaker 7 (07:29):
Yeah, so then eighty two caps for you as a player,
and also you know you had well three com games
a World Cup.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
What is easier? Is it easier to coach or is
it easier to play?
Speaker 6 (07:45):
It's easier to play. It's easier to play up any day,
any day. I feel like you've got control. When you're
a player, you make the decision, you know, to pitch
or not to pitch. And as a coach you can
only take your players this far and no further, because
you know, you can't get on court and put on
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your nipple shoes and get the job done. And it's
been a very it's the transition for me has been
so different. It's yeah, it's it's mind blowing, actually, you know.
And I feel that if I had coached first and
then become a player, I would have been a far
better player.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Well what have you learned about yourself during this period
of coaching in the last year, well just a bit
over a year?
Speaker 6 (08:32):
What?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
What?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
What surprised you? Have you been quite have you been
loud of? What is it about this coaching role?
Speaker 6 (08:39):
I've seen so much of myself in the players. I'm like,
oh my goodness, was that me? What? What? What? What
was I really that challenging. But I mean I started
coaching at a at a domestic level in South Africa,
university level, went to to provincial because I always knew
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that after I finished playing, after I retire, I want
to be a coach. And for me, it was more
about you know, knowing and seeing the talent in my
own hometown, you know, and how that talent is not
tapped into and it's not nurtured and there's no one
there to basically hold a little girl's hand and just
show them the pathway. So I've learned that I am
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not as patient.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
As now, how do you learn the patients?
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Yeah, well, you know what I've looked at myself, Jenny,
from when I started, you know, and and the growth
and the maturity. What really helped me a lot was
the fact that I really had people around me, especially
when I was at the University of Stealembosch, a maturer
group of management people who have coached before that That
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journeyed with me and sort of made me understand, you know,
you've got to draw that line. You know, you're no
longer a player, now you're the coach, so that line
has got to be clear and and you have to
be patient and kind to like towards yourself, you know,
and and that and that everything doesn't really happen instantly.
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It's not an overnight because there was a lot of
pressure on me at that at that stage to take
this team from nowhere to somewhere. And and then the
beauty about it was that I had players who really
brought in and and were so supportive and they were like,
we're going to do this together. Let's we know it's
not going to be overnight success, but we're willing to
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put whatever it takes, you know, to ultimately achieve that success.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
So looking at the team that you've bought over, it's
quite a new lock side Zen from the one we
saw in Cape Town. I say, you're old. You coached
Nicole Taliad was her maiden name. You coached it didn't
Now she's one of your girls. Her aside from her,
should we be keeping an eye at on court?
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Sure? So we've got Nicholas Smith also coach, Nicholas Smith,
our goalkeeper. We've got obviously our captain, Can Chawane, who's
who's really you know, taken on this captaincy role with
so much grace and she was alone for the longest
of time because Gadla was obviously not available because Gardla
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was the vice captain, and just seeing her maturity in
being able to lead the team but also perform, because
sometimes there can be a bit of a lapse in
the performance when you've got that pressure or the captaincy band.
You know, our shooters, I mean you, I don't know
if you follow a lot of the English the English League,
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Rowley instructor al Mourey Fanderberg really solid solid players for us,
and I mean you can't go without mentioning GM or
you know, she she hit the scene amazing, you know,
in not Australia, and yeah, she's she's been better ever since.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Calibraturists will probably be the only well one of the
few players people will know here what's the story with her.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
So Cudler has made a decision just to take the season,
take the year off, and it was for personal reasons,
you know, and it and we had to respect that.
I mean, she's been a key player player and a
key member of our of our team. So she came,
she approached us and she said she just wants to
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take a bit of time. She's not retiring as yet.
You know, she wants she's looking at coming back and
and uh and giving it a shot for another World Cup.
So we did say to her, though, you do understand that,
you know, the boat is sailing, it's not standing still,
you know, and these young ones are hungry and they
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and they eager and and they wanted. They've got the
burb now, so they're not really going to hand it
over back to you, you know. So she said, no,
she totally understands. She's going to take the time and
see how how her body's feeling, what are the family demands,
and then she she'll make the decision whether she wants
to come back or not. And obviously that door will
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always be open to Cudler, but she'll have to definitely
work and prove herself.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, she's a special player.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
We've obviously had a number of players made themselves unavailable
as well in New Zealand for various reasons. And there's
obviously a lot that's been going on. You probably landed
as everything broke.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Africa and.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
What's going on are you.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Doing to my nolin?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Absolutely lovelin so so looking from the outside, you know, yes,
you obviously have a lot of care for different players
and coaches, But this is an do you also see
there's an opportunity to pounce, you know, as a team
and take out a series.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Let me say this, you know, it's like we consider
the Silver Fins situation and we're like, it's like the
spring box a wounded spring Bok. You don't want to
come up against them, you know. So it's we have
not sat down and had a conversation about the girl
with the girls about it. Obviously they've seen media. We
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are staying focused. This thing can play itself in two ways.
It can really galvanize the team. It can charge them
up and they can come out like a house on
fire to prove whatever they want to prove. Or it
can be a situation of there's just that emotional disconnect.
Things are not There's just a lot of emotion and
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a lot of hurt or whatever the case may be
that might not necessarily translate positively between the four lines.
So our focus is just us. I mean, I don't
I don't see news. I don't see this all the
ferns allowing us to come to New Zealand with full arenas,
arenas packed to capacity and then just not pitching it's
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just not it's not in who in who they are,
it's not in their culture, it's not in their DNA.
But it is going to be We are going to
give this our be shot. I think if we're ever
going to find them in a bit of a shaky situation,
it's now, so this this would be the right time
for us to puns.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
We've had quite a few changes over the last few
months and our players can now go and play offshore
and be eligible to play for the civil fans.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Now, this is something in South Africa.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
You have allowed your players to go a lot of
playing super leagues all over the world. How challenging is
that as a coach to navigate, you know, selecting your
South African side when a lot of them are playing offshore.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
That's one of the biggest things for us, you know,
we would love to have all our players in house
and it create a competitive environment for them to be
able to play. It is a massive benefit for us
because we don't have a professional league for them to
be exposed and play at professionally against the best players
in the world. So it's a catch twenty two if
(16:18):
I can put it that way. We're happy that our
players are being called upon. You know, teams are looking
and seeing the standard the quality of the players we have,
and they want them to come on board. But ultimately
it is about for us, very important that we grow
our netple, you know, and we become professional. You know,
we've been talking about this for a couple of years now,
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but we see the disadvantage of not having a league
of our own.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I wonderstand, I'm thinking back to South Africa and that
day when your side, you know, snatched a draw. You know,
oh my god, I was I was calling that and
I can't remember were you on it or.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
You know, it was just I wasn't on it.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
I wasn't on it anyway.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I was just thinking a lot of your players won't
have played against Grace Wiki because she would have been
injured by then What does she what? What have you
told about her? Or what have you told them about her?
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Listen, She's grown. I mean from from that World Cup
to who she is now is like chalk and cheese.
Everybody puts the focus on her. But for us, we
know that if you're going to let that ball get
on the edge of the circle, it's not going to
it's you're not going to turn it. You're not just
not going to win that battle, right because we don't
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have a two meter talk goalkeeper to stand in front
of her, right. But so then it it puts us
in a position to be creative and come up with
beard a ways and try and make sure that we
we put pressure on the feeder for example, or we
you know, we saw smother and identify, and we've also
picked up that everybody's feeding her. Now it's not only
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specific players, you know, whereas before people would be like
it's Peta to Java, she just looks there poison, poison, poison,
you know. But we've looked at the games and we've
seen that anyone and everyone in the team can actually
feed it from anywhere. So we've got a couple of plans.
If I can put it sleeve. It's exciting, it's an
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exciting challenge. She's dynamic, she's grown in heaps, and we
recognize the quality of the player that she is.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I read an article with Genny van Dyke recently and
she talked about how entering your team environment can be
life changing for players, especially players have come from very
rural areas and haven't been in that high performance environment.
What you know, what is it that's life changing? What
is it about this environment that they really thrive and
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do they learn when they do it into this team?
Speaker 6 (19:04):
So what's the beauty about the environment in now? I mean,
Geny myself are South African coaches. We've grown up in
our systems, in our structures in South African, but we
understand the South African environment. We understand the culture, different cultures,
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the backgrounds, and we have created an environment in a
safe space where our players can be unapologetically themselves, where
they can just be authentic and feel safe and be
able to speak up, you know. And we understand that
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there's a lot of some of them are not coming
from high performance programs from a university perspective, so we
need to create opportunities for them to be exposed to that.
And what I love about Jenny's approach, especially as a
head coach, is the fact that it's inclusive, very inclusive.
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It's just be you. Because I've learned, even when I
was a player, that I won't play for a coach
that doesn't allow me to be me or accept me
for who I am. I won't put my body on
the line, you know, And that's what we've we've come
to understand with these players is that they really want
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to be the game changes. They want to change the
narrative for Nepal in South Africa. They they tired of
sitting fifth in the world. We've been fifth in the
world for how many years now, you know, and we've
been We've got sponsors, we've got support, but it's just
not coming together. And they made that decision to say
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we want to be we want to go down in
the history books as the ones who change that. So
so everybody's buying in. It's a culture of support, it's
a culture of having really the tough conversations and that's
why we made the decision when we got into office
that we want to play the best teams in the world.
We know that comes with it's going to come with losses.
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We understand that also losing can be a habit, but
so can winning. But the mindset is right. They understand
why we are on this path and gone are the
days where we just play down there anymore, because we've
seen that that doesn't help us, doesn't work for us.
So we've got to challenge ourselves against the big guns,
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and we're taken that challenge head on and the beauties
that the players are buying in and they understand what's
going to be required for them to compete against the
best teams in the world.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
You're certainly taking that challenge head on because you start
here in New Zealand, you haven't been here since twenty
eighteen Quad Series. Then you move to Australia and play
the World Champions. I mean, can you put into words
just have value that is going to be for your players?
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Yeah, you can't, you really can't. I mean we started
the year with a tour to Jamaica. They ranked thirty
in the world. That was a different experience and it
was a massive eye opener for our goals. Then we
moved to England and they ranked fourth. And then I
mean it's a month tour. You're away from home from
everything for a whole month. And then we knew the
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New Zealand and the Australian UH tour was coming up.
It's all hands on deck. It is It's something we
couldn't have. We're so thankful and grateful for Nahbles South
Africa to say to us, yes go and we made
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them understand that we know that, like you know, what's
at stake here, you know, but we have the bigger picture.
We see the bigger picture. We know what the bigger
picture is. It's not just this Test series. It is
the Commonwealth Games, it's the World Cup, and we know
that playing against the top teams, we need to beat
one of the top four teams to put ourselves in
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a better position than where we are right now, which
is number fifth in the world. So it doesn't help
us competing against teams that are lower ranked than us.
And then miraculously think, come Commonwealth, we're going to be
able to change those gears that are required and be
able to operate at that competitive level consistently. So we
don't want any surprises come Commonwealth and World Cup. We
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want to play the top teams and know exactly where
we stand and also be able to know where they
stand as well.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Now you've only been here for a few days. Have
you managed to have a little tiple of New Zealand
fine wine?
Speaker 6 (23:46):
Yet?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Sah?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Now you like your wine.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
I'm waiting for you, guys. Okay, I'm patiently waiting for
you guys. No nothing, just sober, mind.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Down, hit down, ready for that first test.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Excited. We are so excited. We were hungry. We want this,
we want this and we are going to put our
best foot forward without adult.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Well, we can certainly hear the passion in your voice.
It's been so lovely to see you on screen. We
will see you in person tomorrow night, Ginny and I
for that.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Why thanks, you're not going to join us?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I may I may just come home as well if
I get me invite. So Jenny and I are basically neighbors,
so she can't do anything without me because I'll.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
See who leave. Hey, and all the best for the
first tests.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
And thank you so much, guys, thanks for having me
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Speaker 1 (24:40):
Sa'd be okay.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Well, fantastic to hear from Zani. You can just hear
the passion in our voice. And you know you look
at South Africa. They have played seven.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Tests already this year, seven tests.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
We have not played one.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Our last game was back in October last year against
the Diamonds, which we lost to. So I think it's
fan testic that they're getting out. And as Zen said,
you got to beat the top two in the world,
you've got to play them. So that's fantastic. But if
we go and look at the silver Ferns squad. It's
just been reduced from eighteen to fourteen and twelve will
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be to be reduced to twelve one match day. So
they've dropped from the eighteen no Savior Tooey no Taylor,
Earl no Kate Burley and obviously merely at Warmsley is
away at the Under twenty one World Cup and match
day twelve will be named plus the captain and vice captain.
And interestingly, Eveta said that that could be different for
each Test, which is as.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
You go through the leadership team.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, yes, so of that group we could see four
deputants take the court at some point, Haul, Steith, Salmon
or Vouie. So what are we thinking of the fourteen
ladies and who they've left off?
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Well, yeah, good question.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I mean I would be happy with any of those,
as I have to say, I must just say that
from the from the top, I'd be good as gold
with any of the the fourteen. Yeah, because they're all,
you know, class acts. But I am I am really
looking forward to seeing that connection again between Toyava and
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Wiki because you know, it just makes your heart sing,
doesn't it. As a commentator, you just whoohoo, you know
you see that beautiful little and I think Zan did
it there where you she just did the little no
look boom and it goes so that I'm looking forward
to and I would be perfectly happy well as I
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say any of them. I'm looking forward to seeing Kate
heaven and again because we didn't see that much of her.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
The question is where is Kate Effernon's position. She is
sent to all wing defense and I look at that
fourteen and I think I said it during our podcast
when the Ferns were announced, that there is actual no
wing defense and that fourteen that has been consistently playing
wing defense during the AMZ premiership. But I would have
probably hef as my wing defense if you were to
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look at a seven. I think Burger's too good to
be at wing defense. I think she needs to be
at gold defense. I don't think Mason's good enough quite
yet to get that start, and at gold defense. I'd
put Burger in at GD, which means HEF's my wing defense.
I'd love to see Maddie and Petter in the mid court.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
We're literally writing my seven.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yeah you are the big one for me is who's
the gold attacker?
Speaker 6 (27:30):
Dean?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
We disagree. I think, who are you running down? I
haven't got anything one written down yet.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I'm going with Georgie Heaven, So I'm going with the Twins.
Give them by Jenny's.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Her mouth is open as I say this.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Oh, there's something about Georgie Heaven and that I really
enjoy watching. I love she's a great mover. When she's
got a confidence, she's got a beautiful shot. I just
think she will connect well with Wiki because she can
play that rolling Frontlet Wiki do the whole take the
high ball into the space. We know she's gonna have that,
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the invisible link with her sister.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I mean that's DNA, the.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Twins and throw an I'm with you Annie or a
jin peasure at wing defense, I mean wing attacks. Sorry,
I don't think. I think from calculations, it's mean. Since
twenty twenty two we've seen her in the black dress.
So many people have been calling for her to make
to make an appearance back in the cule Ferns she's
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going to So for me, I'd have WICKI, Georgia heavenon
and Peta down that attack end. I just think this
could be a really exciting starting seven. When you think
of it, there are actually only three goal attacks in
that in that fourteen Georgia Hefferen and Salmon and Phil
de Vouie. Salmon didn't get much caught time with she
did it?
Speaker 7 (28:50):
Did she?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
And each round I thought, oh, this time, this time,
but she never did and there must have been reasons
for that. She's you know, I am going to disagree
with you a Dean's he's the one who I would
like to see Salmon get the start, Yes, but.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
So from not starting the ain Z just starting for
the Silver Fans, why not? And Vouie you know she's
been in She made some English tour, didn't she? She did,
we again never took the court, So I guess you know,
I'm a big believer. You put these girls in the team,
you've got to give them a chance. You've got to
get them out on court. So were they going to
have to because all three of them are in experience,
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yet they're going to have to play one of them?
And then I guess you look down the defensive end
and you've got three solid goalkeeps. You've got Hall, Stiffe
and Jackson.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Hall for me, was the.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Player of the year in the ain Z Premiership.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
You know, do we go with starting with a Hall
or will Jackson take the captaincy role in that first test?
So that could be where Yvette maybe swings with who
she puts in a goalkeep whoever the captain is.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Maybe.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I don't know if they'll name Stiffe and Hall both
in the twelve because they're both new.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yes, I wonder if it will be one all the
other in the twelve.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I'm not sure, but I hope both of those players
get an opportunity at some point because they're both very
deserving off the back of their former A and Z Jim.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Yeah, And I also think, you know, you've got to
remember thinking about Paris Mason and she ended the season
with that horrible neck injury that she had. She's got,
you know, a connection with a vet from Manicura where
she went to boarding school.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
In connection with Jackson, and well.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
That see, that's right, there's all these a little visible friends.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
And then I guess if we turn our attention to
the South African team, we don't know them very well,
but we do know, can you say, shawanee ninety seven tests?
So she's going to crack the Hundi while she's over here,
Shadine VanderMeer. She's on seventy tests and my favorite Gene
who I loved watching and I remember Zen talking about
the fact that she coached her at Stalinbosch University. Nicola Tolliard,
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she's Nicole Breet Now she was the one that sunk
that final shot for South Africa a drawer with New
Zealand at the World Cup. You know, you forget that
I have only ever beaten New Zealand once, yes, and
that was nineteen ninety five World Cup where I was
playing in that game.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
And there was one Irene Fundai and the other team.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
That's the only time they've beaten US.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
But they've drawn with us and the last five outings
it's been a winning margin of seven for US. So
they are getting closer and closer, and they've got more experience.
If you look at the total caps across both squads,
they have four hundred and eight. New Zealand has two
hundred and ninety five, so you know they've actually got
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more test caps across the board as well, so you
could say more experience.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Quickly, going back to nineteen ninety five, I used I
was pregnant with twins and we'd gone up to the
Bay of Island somewhere and I had to go and
you know, find a TV somewhere and all the rest
of it. And then and of course we lost. I
couldn't get over the amount of makeup, Irene fund.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Lipstick and band eyeliner.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yes, was it a rolled It was almost like a
rolled bandanna of a head band she turn for us.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Then she stopped wearing the bandanna when she came to
New Zealand, did she not? Yes?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
And I don't think she wore the lipstick anymore either.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
But I just don't think the Silver fans can and
I know they won't be underestimating this South African side.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
As you heard.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
You know, they've got eight playing in super leagues across
across the globe, so they have got a lot of
experience and they will be buoyed on by that spring
bock when oh my sat today, won't they?
Speaker 5 (32:40):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (32:41):
And I was thinking when sand was speaking, you know
the innovation that we saw in the women's game. I
don't know if you watched it, but when they they
put an all fifteen players into a Ford Drive, and
I thought, oh, well, that's quite good that they can't
all go into you know, one area of the court.
But oh my god, goodness, they will have some ideas,
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she says, they've got some ideas.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Speaking of innovation, let's just touch on before we go,
the signing that was made in Australia last week, three
year agreement where the Australian Diamonds get a forty pay
rise and a revenue share. So really setting the benchmark
for women in sport, not only in Australia but globally.
How good after everything that they have been through as
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an organization. Players are social. You think two years ago
they were at rock bottom. How they have turned that
organization around and have got that other deal this year
with the Whoopi goldborg Berg. The broadcast deal gives us hope,
ladies that maybe in two years time it'll be out
in Do you think.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
We could get them to negotiate for our podcast.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Actually that's a good idea.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Oh look, it's my players have a stake in the
game now, you know, they are the product. And I
think it's fantastic And you can't help but think Liz
Alice is at the back of all of all these decisions.
The CEO, a former player that is out there. She's
she's she's chair the board. Yeah yeah, chairman of the board,
having you know all these positive changes have happened since
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she's been on board.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, I mean it's it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
And the other positive thing I was reading that a
lot of people because you know, they have got so
much going right for them at nausey, see, like, how
are we going to get these New Zealand teams back
in their comp when everything seems to be so good.
They're making money, the comp's going well. But it's been funny.
Some of the chat now has been people wanting New
Zealand teams to come back in so they don't take
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the positions of Australian players and block their pathways.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
So so all that's good.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
We want the Australian public put a little bit of
pressure on the Australian Board and their operations to go actually, yeah,
let's bring New Zealand back in and give them their
own team. So that's where I do have hope were
there could be some exciting things to have.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
But in the next couple of years we need it.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
We need it, we need it, we need some good news. Well,
first test coming up. What are we picking for Test one?
Are we going to go Ferns or South Africa.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Well, I actually look at these two teams and I
do think that we will win comfortably. Well I shouldn't
say comfortably because I don't I don't really know this team,
but I look at the strength on the New Zealand
team and I just can't see us being beaten.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I think it will be close. I think the start
of the game is going to be close. I think
it will be close to halftime, and it will be
if the Ferns can, you know, rise above that pressure,
because they'll be feeling the pressure that they've heard all
the noise. They're not deaf, they're seeing the conversations that
have been going around. But we've got the Grace factor,
we've got the Petter factor. We've got this defensive unit
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that know how to get ball. So I'm with you, Gen,
I think the Silver Funds will take out Test one.
And I'm just trying to remember when I predicted at
the World Cup how the Funs would go against ten
or fifteen, and that I think that was.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
The game we drew.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
We didn't have grace then did West. So yeah, I think,
you know, Grace makes a huge impact. I think it
will be close. As you say, I think you know.
Possibly by third third quarter we'll start running away with it.
But yeah, looking forward to it. Of course, that test
gets underway this Sunday, the twenty first. It's the first
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of three tests, the second ones in Napier, then back down.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
To the Deep South in Vicago.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
So finally the international season begins for our silver ferns,
and the best way you can support them is to
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Speaker 1 (36:36):
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Speaker 3 (00:09):
And welcome to Inside Netball.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
The full team is back this week and after what
has been a significantly challenging time for our sport over
the last week, today we move forward as we preview
the upcoming Tiny Jamison series between the Ferns and the
Pro Tears. We are fortunate enough to have a special
guest join us, the assistant coach of the South African.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Netble team, zanale M Dudana.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We'll discuss where to from here for the head coaching
role of the Silver Ferns if in fact Knowles's contract
is not renewed. The New Zealand Open Champs has just
wrapped up for twenty twenty five plus a big positive
commercial deal has just been secured across the ditch. What
does that mean for the Aussie Diamonds. Well, ladies, it's
been a big another week, first Test is coming up
(00:52):
and the first of the Silver Fern players, Carlin Berger,
has spoken out publicly on everything that's gone down. What
are our thoughts gen on how that came across.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
I thought she did really well, and I thought what
she did was what we've been sort of talking about
earlier last week, was that you just speak speak your
own truths. Essentially, you say, you know, you describe your
experiences with Noline. She said, I've had no problems, but
(01:23):
you have to respect the others. And I think, I mean,
she's a class act.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Karen Berger. I ready take my hat off to her.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And the other person.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I've been impressed with Avet McAuslan jury the way she
has spoken in fronted the media, because there has not
been a lot coming as we know from New Zealand.
She's fronted, she's been authentic, she's been honest, and I
think that's exactly the conversations that you get a sense
of what she's telling us they have had within the group.
Everyone needs to respect everybody's opinions. You're not always going
(01:56):
to agree with those opinions, but we all have a
responsibility to put our best foot forward and turn up
and play with pride for the silver ferns.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
And I think that's what.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
A VET to me seems to have from the outside,
from what she has said, has done an excellent job
of looking ahead, not back. She's brought in some really
key people, Darren Shan's come in to provide that support,
and I think that's what we all have to do.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
We all have to look forward.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
None of us have walked in some of these people's shoes,
none of us know the full story. So how do
you want a test match under all of that? And
I love the fact she doesn't want to know the
full story either. She said she actually doesn't want to know.
She wants to, as you say, get this group move
forward in the right direction. And perhaps if she knows
the full story, that might cloud part of the process
(02:47):
that she's going through with the team.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I think she's the best person person to put in
the job. She hasn't been involved in netbil over the
last year, but she has maintained those relationships.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
She's kept her finger on the pole.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
She's done game on with you, Adean, and as you say,
she's just I've always warmed her Evet. You know, she's
done commentary with the guy sports. She's very empathetic, she's calm.
I think she'll galvanize that group of Silver fans while
leading into the series. And I love the fact too
she talked about the fact, because we talked about it
last week, who's going to be the captain? And I
love again she fronted and went, I'm not going to
(03:19):
pick a captain. I'm going to roll with I have
not been part of the process to date. I'm going
to use the leadership group that's been there for X
amount of time. Yes, we will have to appoint someone
on the day because you have to have a captain
on the court that the umpires were speaking to. But again,
I think that shows a lot of respect, but while
also looking forward and thinking what's best for the wider team.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I like too the fact that she has Leana Liota
with her, who let's remember, was it last year or
the year before she I mean she was coaching the
Silver Ferns when they they won the series against.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
England, coaching England. She was coaching England.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Confusing she was she stepped.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
In for the old England coach that couldn't come.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yes, Charny Layton was there for Norton, was there when
they did the Aussie part and are used to this
sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, No, I think Leanna was a good move as well,
which you must think that she is being looked at
from Netball New Zealand as the potential predecessor, because you know,
Yvette said that she can only step in for the
tiny Jemison. She can't with her commitments with her Kuta,
the school that she's running. So you go, okay, well
who's going to step in? Who's going to step in? Then?
(04:36):
Do you think they need to have more than just
Leana with Yvette? Do you think they should be bringing
in Bubby, having more apprentice coaches, bringing in Donna sitting
on the bench, because looking forward that these are the
times that you're going to learn off these coaches like Yvette.
But maybe a vet I read it slightly differently. I
wonder if she hasn't even looked at that next stage.
All she looked at was can I come out and
(04:58):
do this first piece, which is a tiny Emerson.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So I wouldn't rule her out entirely from con Cup
just yet, but you're right, I think, yes, you do
start looking at those wider coaches. But again, everything's happened
in such a short space of time. It's almost been
we heard her events say she only got the call
on the Wednesday, So evenything's happened. Some stuff should have
happened much quicker. At least this has happened fast, and
(05:24):
events come in with a huge amount of manner.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Well, I wonder too.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
You know, she's she and her husband are running that school,
so that's no small job, and I just don't think
that you can perhaps, No, she said.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That it works now because we're week ten, which is
the last week of ten, rolls into the school holidays,
and then I'm pretty sure she said on the news
that after that it's going to be unlikely that she'll be.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Able to Yeah, but I mean available, but you never know.
Another name that got thrown up the other day was
Casey Corporula. I mean she coach bring her into the
groomer and bring her into.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
The group as a cultural Well why not.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
I mean look what she did.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
She came out of the back blocks of wake at
her last year and yeah, no that was godless. That
was this year and you know, to almost turn the
giants chances around.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
But and she's someone that's got the respective, but she's
got the money.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, that's what you need.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Well, from one coach to another, we are now fortunate
to have with us the assistant coach of the Pro
Tears Zanelli Mnddana. She's a former South African player eighty
two tests she's played for a country. She's also a
supersport commentator, where Jenny and I were lucky enough to
work with her in Cape Town at the recent World Cup,
where we had plenty of laughs.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Inside Nepple the Inside Netball Podcast.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Man, thanks for joining us, Welcome to New Zealand. Fabulous
to have you on our side of the world after
you hosted Jen and I so graciously in Cape Town
back at the World Cup.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
How's the team settling in the jet lag?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
How are you?
Speaker 6 (06:53):
Yeah? Well, thank you so much, guys, thanks for having me.
It's good to be to be back. I mean the
last time I was here I was a player and
the weather hasn't changed. Yeah, I know the team is
settling in well. Obviously we struggled for the first few days.
You know, ten hours South Africa is ten hours ahead,
(07:13):
so we find ourselves yawning, you know, training time when
everybody's awake. But we got in. We took a day
off just to relax and find our feet. But now
we've we've hit the court, so.
Speaker 7 (07:29):
Yeah, so then eighty two caps for you as a player,
and also you know you had well three com games
a World Cup.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
What is easier? Is it easier to coach or is
it easier to play?
Speaker 6 (07:45):
It's easier to play. It's easier to play up any day,
any day. I feel like you've got control. When you're
a player, you make the decision, you know, to pitch
or not to pitch. And as a coach you can
only take your players this far and no further, because
you know, you can't get on court and put on
(08:06):
your nipple shoes and get the job done. And it's
been a very it's the transition for me has been
so different. It's yeah, it's it's mind blowing, actually, you know.
And I feel that if I had coached first and
then become a player, I would have been a far
better player.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Well what have you learned about yourself during this period
of coaching in the last year, well just a bit
over a year?
Speaker 6 (08:32):
What?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
What?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
What surprised you? Have you been quite have you been
loud of? What is it about this coaching role?
Speaker 6 (08:39):
I've seen so much of myself in the players. I'm like,
oh my goodness, was that me? What? What? What? What
was I really that challenging. But I mean I started
coaching at a at a domestic level in South Africa,
university level, went to to provincial because I always knew
(09:02):
that after I finished playing, after I retire, I want
to be a coach. And for me, it was more
about you know, knowing and seeing the talent in my
own hometown, you know, and how that talent is not
tapped into and it's not nurtured and there's no one
there to basically hold a little girl's hand and just
show them the pathway. So I've learned that I am
(09:28):
not as patient.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
As now, how do you learn the patients?
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Yeah, well, you know what I've looked at myself, Jenny,
from when I started, you know, and and the growth
and the maturity. What really helped me a lot was
the fact that I really had people around me, especially
when I was at the University of Stealembosch, a maturer
group of management people who have coached before that That
(09:55):
journeyed with me and sort of made me understand, you know,
you've got to draw that line. You know, you're no
longer a player, now you're the coach, so that line
has got to be clear and and you have to
be patient and kind to like towards yourself, you know,
and and that and that everything doesn't really happen instantly.
(10:16):
It's not an overnight because there was a lot of
pressure on me at that at that stage to take
this team from nowhere to somewhere. And and then the
beauty about it was that I had players who really
brought in and and were so supportive and they were like,
we're going to do this together. Let's we know it's
not going to be overnight success, but we're willing to
(10:38):
put whatever it takes, you know, to ultimately achieve that success.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
So looking at the team that you've bought over, it's
quite a new lock side Zen from the one we
saw in Cape Town. I say, you're old. You coached
Nicole Taliad was her maiden name. You coached it didn't
Now she's one of your girls. Her aside from her,
should we be keeping an eye at on court?
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Sure? So we've got Nicholas Smith also coach, Nicholas Smith,
our goalkeeper. We've got obviously our captain, Can Chawane, who's
who's really you know, taken on this captaincy role with
so much grace and she was alone for the longest
of time because Gadla was obviously not available because Gardla
(11:25):
was the vice captain, and just seeing her maturity in
being able to lead the team but also perform, because
sometimes there can be a bit of a lapse in
the performance when you've got that pressure or the captaincy band.
You know, our shooters, I mean you, I don't know
if you follow a lot of the English the English League,
(11:48):
Rowley instructor al Mourey Fanderberg really solid solid players for us,
and I mean you can't go without mentioning GM or
you know, she she hit the scene amazing, you know,
in not Australia, and yeah, she's she's been better ever since.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Calibraturists will probably be the only well one of the
few players people will know here what's the story with her.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
So Cudler has made a decision just to take the season,
take the year off, and it was for personal reasons,
you know, and it and we had to respect that.
I mean, she's been a key player player and a
key member of our of our team. So she came,
she approached us and she said she just wants to
(12:32):
take a bit of time. She's not retiring as yet.
You know, she wants she's looking at coming back and
and uh and giving it a shot for another World Cup.
So we did say to her, though, you do understand that,
you know, the boat is sailing, it's not standing still,
you know, and these young ones are hungry and they
(12:55):
and they eager and and they wanted. They've got the
burb now, so they're not really going to hand it
over back to you, you know. So she said, no,
she totally understands. She's going to take the time and
see how how her body's feeling, what are the family demands,
and then she she'll make the decision whether she wants
to come back or not. And obviously that door will
(13:16):
always be open to Cudler, but she'll have to definitely
work and prove herself.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, she's a special player.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
We've obviously had a number of players made themselves unavailable
as well in New Zealand for various reasons. And there's
obviously a lot that's been going on. You probably landed
as everything broke.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Africa and.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
What's going on are you.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Doing to my nolin?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Absolutely lovelin so so looking from the outside, you know, yes,
you obviously have a lot of care for different players
and coaches, But this is an do you also see
there's an opportunity to pounce, you know, as a team
and take out a series.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Let me say this, you know, it's like we consider
the Silver Fins situation and we're like, it's like the
spring box a wounded spring Bok. You don't want to
come up against them, you know. So it's we have
not sat down and had a conversation about the girl
with the girls about it. Obviously they've seen media. We
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are staying focused. This thing can play itself in two ways.
It can really galvanize the team. It can charge them
up and they can come out like a house on
fire to prove whatever they want to prove. Or it
can be a situation of there's just that emotional disconnect.
Things are not There's just a lot of emotion and
(14:46):
a lot of hurt or whatever the case may be
that might not necessarily translate positively between the four lines.
So our focus is just us. I mean, I don't
I don't see news. I don't see this all the
ferns allowing us to come to New Zealand with full arenas,
arenas packed to capacity and then just not pitching it's
(15:10):
just not it's not in who in who they are,
it's not in their culture, it's not in their DNA.
But it is going to be We are going to
give this our be shot. I think if we're ever
going to find them in a bit of a shaky situation,
it's now, so this this would be the right time
for us to puns.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
We've had quite a few changes over the last few
months and our players can now go and play offshore
and be eligible to play for the civil fans.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Now, this is something in South Africa.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
You have allowed your players to go a lot of
playing super leagues all over the world. How challenging is
that as a coach to navigate, you know, selecting your
South African side when a lot of them are playing offshore.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
That's one of the biggest things for us, you know,
we would love to have all our players in house
and it create a competitive environment for them to be
able to play. It is a massive benefit for us
because we don't have a professional league for them to
be exposed and play at professionally against the best players
in the world. So it's a catch twenty two if
(16:18):
I can put it that way. We're happy that our
players are being called upon. You know, teams are looking
and seeing the standard the quality of the players we have,
and they want them to come on board. But ultimately
it is about for us, very important that we grow
our netple, you know, and we become professional. You know,
we've been talking about this for a couple of years now,
(16:41):
but we see the disadvantage of not having a league
of our own.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I wonderstand, I'm thinking back to South Africa and that
day when your side, you know, snatched a draw. You know,
oh my god, I was I was calling that and
I can't remember were you on it or.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
You know, it was just I wasn't on it.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
I wasn't on it anyway.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I was just thinking a lot of your players won't
have played against Grace Wiki because she would have been
injured by then What does she what? What have you
told about her? Or what have you told them about her?
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Listen, She's grown. I mean from from that World Cup
to who she is now is like chalk and cheese.
Everybody puts the focus on her. But for us, we
know that if you're going to let that ball get
on the edge of the circle, it's not going to
it's you're not going to turn it. You're not just
not going to win that battle, right because we don't
(17:43):
have a two meter talk goalkeeper to stand in front
of her, right. But so then it it puts us
in a position to be creative and come up with
beard a ways and try and make sure that we
we put pressure on the feeder for example, or we
you know, we saw smother and identify, and we've also
picked up that everybody's feeding her. Now it's not only
(18:05):
specific players, you know, whereas before people would be like
it's Peta to Java, she just looks there poison, poison, poison,
you know. But we've looked at the games and we've
seen that anyone and everyone in the team can actually
feed it from anywhere. So we've got a couple of plans.
If I can put it sleeve. It's exciting, it's an
(18:29):
exciting challenge. She's dynamic, she's grown in heaps, and we
recognize the quality of the player that she is.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I read an article with Genny van Dyke recently and
she talked about how entering your team environment can be
life changing for players, especially players have come from very
rural areas and haven't been in that high performance environment.
What you know, what is it that's life changing? What
is it about this environment that they really thrive and
(19:00):
do they learn when they do it into this team?
Speaker 6 (19:04):
So what's the beauty about the environment in now? I mean,
Geny myself are South African coaches. We've grown up in
our systems, in our structures in South African, but we
understand the South African environment. We understand the culture, different cultures,
(19:25):
the backgrounds, and we have created an environment in a
safe space where our players can be unapologetically themselves, where
they can just be authentic and feel safe and be
able to speak up, you know. And we understand that
(19:48):
there's a lot of some of them are not coming
from high performance programs from a university perspective, so we
need to create opportunities for them to be exposed to that.
And what I love about Jenny's approach, especially as a
head coach, is the fact that it's inclusive, very inclusive.
(20:10):
It's just be you. Because I've learned, even when I
was a player, that I won't play for a coach
that doesn't allow me to be me or accept me
for who I am. I won't put my body on
the line, you know, And that's what we've we've come
to understand with these players is that they really want
(20:34):
to be the game changes. They want to change the
narrative for Nepal in South Africa. They they tired of
sitting fifth in the world. We've been fifth in the
world for how many years now, you know, and we've
been We've got sponsors, we've got support, but it's just
not coming together. And they made that decision to say
(20:54):
we want to be we want to go down in
the history books as the ones who change that. So
so everybody's buying in. It's a culture of support, it's
a culture of having really the tough conversations and that's
why we made the decision when we got into office
that we want to play the best teams in the world.
We know that comes with it's going to come with losses.
(21:16):
We understand that also losing can be a habit, but
so can winning. But the mindset is right. They understand
why we are on this path and gone are the
days where we just play down there anymore, because we've
seen that that doesn't help us, doesn't work for us.
So we've got to challenge ourselves against the big guns,
(21:36):
and we're taken that challenge head on and the beauties
that the players are buying in and they understand what's
going to be required for them to compete against the
best teams in the world.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
You're certainly taking that challenge head on because you start
here in New Zealand, you haven't been here since twenty
eighteen Quad Series. Then you move to Australia and play
the World Champions. I mean, can you put into words
just have value that is going to be for your players?
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Yeah, you can't, you really can't. I mean we started
the year with a tour to Jamaica. They ranked thirty
in the world. That was a different experience and it
was a massive eye opener for our goals. Then we
moved to England and they ranked fourth. And then I
mean it's a month tour. You're away from home from
everything for a whole month. And then we knew the
(22:28):
New Zealand and the Australian UH tour was coming up.
It's all hands on deck. It is It's something we
couldn't have. We're so thankful and grateful for Nahbles South
Africa to say to us, yes go and we made
(22:49):
them understand that we know that, like you know, what's
at stake here, you know, but we have the bigger picture.
We see the bigger picture. We know what the bigger
picture is. It's not just this Test series. It is
the Commonwealth Games, it's the World Cup, and we know
that playing against the top teams, we need to beat
one of the top four teams to put ourselves in
(23:12):
a better position than where we are right now, which
is number fifth in the world. So it doesn't help
us competing against teams that are lower ranked than us.
And then miraculously think, come Commonwealth, we're going to be
able to change those gears that are required and be
able to operate at that competitive level consistently. So we
don't want any surprises come Commonwealth and World Cup. We
(23:33):
want to play the top teams and know exactly where
we stand and also be able to know where they
stand as well.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Now you've only been here for a few days. Have
you managed to have a little tiple of New Zealand
fine wine?
Speaker 6 (23:46):
Yet?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Sah?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Now you like your wine.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
I'm waiting for you, guys. Okay, I'm patiently waiting for
you guys. No nothing, just sober, mind.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Down, hit down, ready for that first test.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Excited. We are so excited. We were hungry. We want this,
we want this and we are going to put our
best foot forward without adult.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Well, we can certainly hear the passion in your voice.
It's been so lovely to see you on screen. We
will see you in person tomorrow night, Ginny and I
for that.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Why thanks, you're not going to join us?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I may I may just come home as well if
I get me invite. So Jenny and I are basically neighbors,
so she can't do anything without me because I'll.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
See who leave. Hey, and all the best for the
first tests.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
And thank you so much, guys, thanks for having me
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Speaker 1 (24:40):
Sa'd be okay.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Well, fantastic to hear from Zani. You can just hear
the passion in our voice. And you know you look
at South Africa. They have played seven.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Tests already this year, seven tests.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
We have not played one.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Our last game was back in October last year against
the Diamonds, which we lost to. So I think it's
fan testic that they're getting out. And as Zen said,
you got to beat the top two in the world,
you've got to play them. So that's fantastic. But if
we go and look at the silver Ferns squad. It's
just been reduced from eighteen to fourteen and twelve will
(25:19):
be to be reduced to twelve one match day. So
they've dropped from the eighteen no Savior Tooey no Taylor,
Earl no Kate Burley and obviously merely at Warmsley is
away at the Under twenty one World Cup and match
day twelve will be named plus the captain and vice captain.
And interestingly, Eveta said that that could be different for
each Test, which is as.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
You go through the leadership team.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, yes, so of that group we could see four
deputants take the court at some point, Haul, Steith, Salmon
or Vouie. So what are we thinking of the fourteen
ladies and who they've left off?
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Well, yeah, good question.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I mean I would be happy with any of those,
as I have to say, I must just say that
from the from the top, I'd be good as gold
with any of the the fourteen. Yeah, because they're all,
you know, class acts. But I am I am really
looking forward to seeing that connection again between Toyava and
(26:20):
Wiki because you know, it just makes your heart sing,
doesn't it. As a commentator, you just whoohoo, you know
you see that beautiful little and I think Zan did
it there where you she just did the little no
look boom and it goes so that I'm looking forward
to and I would be perfectly happy well as I
(26:41):
say any of them. I'm looking forward to seeing Kate
heaven and again because we didn't see that much of her.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
The question is where is Kate Effernon's position. She is
sent to all wing defense and I look at that
fourteen and I think I said it during our podcast
when the Ferns were announced, that there is actual no
wing defense and that fourteen that has been consistently playing
wing defense during the AMZ premiership. But I would have
probably hef as my wing defense if you were to
(27:08):
look at a seven. I think Burger's too good to
be at wing defense. I think she needs to be
at gold defense. I don't think Mason's good enough quite
yet to get that start, and at gold defense. I'd
put Burger in at GD, which means HEF's my wing defense.
I'd love to see Maddie and Petter in the mid court.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
We're literally writing my seven.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yeah you are the big one for me is who's
the gold attacker?
Speaker 6 (27:30):
Dean?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
We disagree. I think, who are you running down? I
haven't got anything one written down yet.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I'm going with Georgie Heaven, So I'm going with the Twins.
Give them by Jenny's.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Her mouth is open as I say this.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Oh, there's something about Georgie Heaven and that I really
enjoy watching. I love she's a great mover. When she's
got a confidence, she's got a beautiful shot. I just
think she will connect well with Wiki because she can
play that rolling Frontlet Wiki do the whole take the
high ball into the space. We know she's gonna have that,
(28:05):
the invisible link with her sister.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I mean that's DNA, the.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Twins and throw an I'm with you Annie or a
jin peasure at wing defense, I mean wing attacks. Sorry,
I don't think. I think from calculations, it's mean. Since
twenty twenty two we've seen her in the black dress.
So many people have been calling for her to make
to make an appearance back in the cule Ferns she's
(28:31):
going to So for me, I'd have WICKI, Georgia heavenon
and Peta down that attack end. I just think this
could be a really exciting starting seven. When you think
of it, there are actually only three goal attacks in
that in that fourteen Georgia Hefferen and Salmon and Phil
de Vouie. Salmon didn't get much caught time with she
did it?
Speaker 7 (28:50):
Did she?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
And each round I thought, oh, this time, this time,
but she never did and there must have been reasons
for that. She's you know, I am going to disagree
with you a Dean's he's the one who I would
like to see Salmon get the start, Yes, but.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
So from not starting the ain Z just starting for
the Silver Fans, why not? And Vouie you know she's
been in She made some English tour, didn't she? She did,
we again never took the court, So I guess you know,
I'm a big believer. You put these girls in the team,
you've got to give them a chance. You've got to
get them out on court. So were they going to
have to because all three of them are in experience,
(29:26):
yet they're going to have to play one of them?
And then I guess you look down the defensive end
and you've got three solid goalkeeps. You've got Hall, Stiffe
and Jackson.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Hall for me, was the.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Player of the year in the ain Z Premiership.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
You know, do we go with starting with a Hall
or will Jackson take the captaincy role in that first test?
So that could be where Yvette maybe swings with who
she puts in a goalkeep whoever the captain is.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Maybe.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I don't know if they'll name Stiffe and Hall both
in the twelve because they're both new.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yes, I wonder if it will be one all the
other in the twelve.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I'm not sure, but I hope both of those players
get an opportunity at some point because they're both very
deserving off the back of their former A and Z Jim.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Yeah, And I also think, you know, you've got to
remember thinking about Paris Mason and she ended the season
with that horrible neck injury that she had. She's got,
you know, a connection with a vet from Manicura where
she went to boarding school.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
In connection with Jackson, and well.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
That see, that's right, there's all these a little visible friends.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
And then I guess if we turn our attention to
the South African team, we don't know them very well,
but we do know, can you say, shawanee ninety seven tests?
So she's going to crack the Hundi while she's over here,
Shadine VanderMeer. She's on seventy tests and my favorite Gene
who I loved watching and I remember Zen talking about
the fact that she coached her at Stalinbosch University. Nicola Tolliard,
(30:56):
she's Nicole Breet Now she was the one that sunk
that final shot for South Africa a drawer with New
Zealand at the World Cup. You know, you forget that
I have only ever beaten New Zealand once, yes, and
that was nineteen ninety five World Cup where I was
playing in that game.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
And there was one Irene Fundai and the other team.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
That's the only time they've beaten US.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
But they've drawn with us and the last five outings
it's been a winning margin of seven for US. So
they are getting closer and closer, and they've got more experience.
If you look at the total caps across both squads,
they have four hundred and eight. New Zealand has two
hundred and ninety five, so you know they've actually got
(31:41):
more test caps across the board as well, so you
could say more experience.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Quickly, going back to nineteen ninety five, I used I
was pregnant with twins and we'd gone up to the
Bay of Island somewhere and I had to go and
you know, find a TV somewhere and all the rest
of it. And then and of course we lost. I
couldn't get over the amount of makeup, Irene fund.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Lipstick and band eyeliner.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yes, was it a rolled It was almost like a
rolled bandanna of a head band she turn for us.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Then she stopped wearing the bandanna when she came to
New Zealand, did she not? Yes?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
And I don't think she wore the lipstick anymore either.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
But I just don't think the Silver fans can and
I know they won't be underestimating this South African side.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
As you heard.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
You know, they've got eight playing in super leagues across
across the globe, so they have got a lot of
experience and they will be buoyed on by that spring
bock when oh my sat today, won't they?
Speaker 5 (32:40):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (32:41):
And I was thinking when sand was speaking, you know
the innovation that we saw in the women's game. I
don't know if you watched it, but when they they
put an all fifteen players into a Ford Drive, and
I thought, oh, well, that's quite good that they can't
all go into you know, one area of the court.
But oh my god, goodness, they will have some ideas,
(33:01):
she says, they've got some ideas.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Speaking of innovation, let's just touch on before we go,
the signing that was made in Australia last week, three
year agreement where the Australian Diamonds get a forty pay
rise and a revenue share. So really setting the benchmark
for women in sport, not only in Australia but globally.
How good after everything that they have been through as
(33:26):
an organization. Players are social. You think two years ago
they were at rock bottom. How they have turned that
organization around and have got that other deal this year
with the Whoopi goldborg Berg. The broadcast deal gives us hope,
ladies that maybe in two years time it'll be out
in Do you think.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
We could get them to negotiate for our podcast.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Actually that's a good idea.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Oh look, it's my players have a stake in the
game now, you know, they are the product. And I
think it's fantastic And you can't help but think Liz
Alice is at the back of all of all these decisions.
The CEO, a former player that is out there. She's
she's she's chair the board. Yeah yeah, chairman of the board,
having you know all these positive changes have happened since
(34:13):
she's been on board.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, I mean it's it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
And the other positive thing I was reading that a
lot of people because you know, they have got so
much going right for them at nausey, see, like, how
are we going to get these New Zealand teams back
in their comp when everything seems to be so good.
They're making money, the comp's going well. But it's been funny.
Some of the chat now has been people wanting New
Zealand teams to come back in so they don't take
(34:38):
the positions of Australian players and block their pathways.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
So so all that's good.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
We want the Australian public put a little bit of
pressure on the Australian Board and their operations to go actually, yeah,
let's bring New Zealand back in and give them their
own team. So that's where I do have hope were
there could be some exciting things to have.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
But in the next couple of years we need it.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
We need it, we need it, we need some good news. Well,
first test coming up. What are we picking for Test one?
Are we going to go Ferns or South Africa.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Well, I actually look at these two teams and I
do think that we will win comfortably. Well I shouldn't
say comfortably because I don't I don't really know this team,
but I look at the strength on the New Zealand
team and I just can't see us being beaten.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I think it will be close. I think the start
of the game is going to be close. I think
it will be close to halftime, and it will be
if the Ferns can, you know, rise above that pressure,
because they'll be feeling the pressure that they've heard all
the noise. They're not deaf, they're seeing the conversations that
have been going around. But we've got the Grace factor,
we've got the Petter factor. We've got this defensive unit
(35:48):
that know how to get ball. So I'm with you, Gen,
I think the Silver Funds will take out Test one.
And I'm just trying to remember when I predicted at
the World Cup how the Funs would go against ten
or fifteen, and that I think that was.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
The game we drew.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
We didn't have grace then did West. So yeah, I think,
you know, Grace makes a huge impact. I think it
will be close. As you say, I think you know.
Possibly by third third quarter we'll start running away with it.
But yeah, looking forward to it. Of course, that test
gets underway this Sunday, the twenty first. It's the first
(36:23):
of three tests, the second ones in Napier, then back down.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
To the Deep South in Vicago.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
So finally the international season begins for our silver ferns,
and the best way you can support them is to
turn up to the games.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
If you can listen for free
Speaker 2 (36:37):
On Gold Sport or watch live on Sky Sport until
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