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September 8, 2025 38 mins

The story of Julia illustrates how shame can silently shape our lives – regardless of cultural background. It shows how old patterns repeat in relationships and how true healing begins with learning to love yourself and finding a home within.


One key takeaway is the importance of prioritizing yourself first, then your relationship and partner, and only then your children. Because children learn not from being overprotected, but from witnessing their parents love in a healthy way – and that example helps them grow into strong adults capable of loving right.


In this episode, Carrie and Henrik explore Julia’s story of shame, rebuilding and the path toward loving your partner & children by first loving yourself.

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(00:12):
Welcome back to 34, the space where we explore intimacy,
presence and what it truly meansto love.
In today's episode, we will talkabout Julia.
This is a story about beauty, shame, and the mirror.
Carrielle will join me and add her thoughts throughout the

(00:33):
story about Julia. Let's begin.
Closure is an illusion. What can I do about it?
That is the question. Julia doesn't raise her voice
when she speaks. She doesn't need to.

(00:53):
Her presence carries something else, an all silence, knowing
paused before each sentence, as if her body still listens for
danger. She has spent her life trying to
answer question she never consciously asked.
Who do I have permission to be? She lives in Malmo, in South of

(01:14):
Sweden now. The light is different here,
softer, more forgiving perhaps. The sea is still close, but not
the same sea where her childhoodsummers unfolded.
Every year they'd pack up and drive towards the coast, to
where her father's friends kept summer houses and old stories,
the kind of places where memories linger longer than

(01:36):
people. Her partner, John, is steady,
open, kind. He has been by her side for
eight years, through the early storms and the quieter seasons
that followed. Their son, Teo is 4, joyful
beers, curious. There is laughter in their home

(01:56):
mess, moments of peace that evenas she watches her son grow up
in a world more free than her own, Julia carries something
ancient in her spine, a quite weight, a code inherited.
She is the daughter of immigrants, Arab Jews who

(02:17):
arrived in Israel with young hearts and caloosed hands, a
mother from Morocco, a father from Egypt, both fairly adults.
When they cross borders into a new country, when nothing felt
familiar, not even the language of love.
Her parents love story is 1 of contradiction.
Her father tells it like a comedy, scrappy, romantic, full

(02:41):
of mischief. Her mother tells it with
restraint, with the edge sharpened.
According to him, they dated forthree years.
He worked long shifts in a textile factory, saving enough
to offer a year's rent on a house, a gesture of seriousness,
of intent. He wanted her to move in.

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But to Julia's maternal grandmother, this was an insult.
You don't ask a woman to live with you.
You ask to marry her. The mother felt humiliated.
They broke up. She began dating someone else, a
man who would later die in a tragic accident.
After his death, Julia's parentsfound each other again.

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This time, the proposal came first.
The shame, however, had already settled in like dust in a room
no one opens anymore. Shame was always fescent, Julia
says, not loud, but woven in. The shame didn't yell, it didn't
punish with slaps. It punished with silence, with

(03:45):
looks, was not allowed to be said from the beginning.
Julia's body was not hers to know.
It was watched, labelled, worn. Her beauty was spoken of early,
too early. Family members whispered, even
boasted. She's the most beautiful of them

(04:05):
all. But it wasn't celebration.
It was controlled, dressed up aspride.
It was like, yes, you're beautiful, now go and hide it.
Her mother saw beauty as a liability, a kind of danger you
needed to defend against. Dresses too short were scolded.

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Nakedness was treated like sin. At 4, her father was no longer
allowed to shower her. At six, she was banned from
sleeping in the same room as herboy cousins.
These were not topic of discussion.
These were laws spoken in the language of forbidden.
And yet children do not carry shame unless thought.

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One day, maybe five years old, Julia stood in front of the
mirror, naked, innocent, just looking, touching her belly,
watching how her ribs moved whenshe breathed.
Her mother walked in. Put your clothes on.
No raised voice, no drama, just the sentence they delivered,

(05:11):
like a final verdict, Julia addressed.
But something else remained exposed.
A silent, aching question. What did I do wrong?
That question would stay with her for decades.
The question not about sex or nudity or modesty.
Not about selfhood, about being seen and what it costs teens.

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Julia was always drawn to the older kids.
At 1314 she wasn't interested inthe shy games of her peers.
She followed the 16 and 17 year olds.
The boys would stubble girls whoknew how to flick their hair
just right. She didn't belong, but they let
her orbit. That summer, they took her
clubbing. The mother resisted at first,

(06:02):
then relented. Under the conditions, she'd be
home around 11. The friends promised to look
after her. Inside the club, the music drove
like a pulse. Lights, bodies, glass.
A boy, maybe 15, told her she was beautiful.
She didn't know how to receive it.
They filled her and it burned. What would my mother say?

(06:25):
They danced. She laughed.
She forgot herself for a moment,and outside, under the
fluorescent St lamps and soul kissed air, She got the question
if he could kiss her. She hesitated, then said yes.
It was her first kiss and she told no one.
Not her friends, not her diary, not herself.

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The shame came rushing in beforeshe even got home.
It wasn't worth it, she said. The guilt swallowed the
butterflies. After that summer, something
shifted. She didn't want to talk to boys
anymore. While her girlfriends giggled
about phase one, Phase two. See.
She started reaching for food. Not in hunger, but in hiding.

(07:13):
Meals became silence. Comfort bloke.
In one year her body changed. 50became 90, and with it, the
mirror became an enemy. Her father said things in a
joking tone. Her mother stopped calling her
by name, spoke to her in third person.

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She used to be so beautiful. Julia felt erased, misplaced,
alone. We always find what we're
searching for, she would later say.
Even if what we're searching foris punishment.
At 18, she had never been. With that 1-2 kisses, that was

(07:53):
it. Then came the ski trip with her
best friend. A boy she trusted may be the
only one she did. They kissed on that trip before
they were due to enter the army.It was sweet, familiar.
It made sense until they came back home.
Her mother exploded. It didn't matter that she'd

(08:17):
known his father for decades. It didn't matter that he was
gentle, respectful and honest. What mattered was that Julia had
crossed the line. You can't be trusted.
A year later, we had sex. He was awkward, shy, almost
mechanical, but tender. He was her best friend.

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She was grateful for that. She told no one, not even
herself, not out aloud. Then came the moment that broke
something. She was home on leave from the
army. The younger sister handed over
Julia's wallet to their mother. She needed some cash to pay
someone working in the house. In the wallet was a strip of

(09:03):
birth control. Her mother found it later that
day. She looked at Julia and simply
said, I saw what you had in yourwallet.
They didn't speak with three months, not a word, Julia says.
It was like I had disappeared. Those months changed her.

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Not the silence, but the implication that her sexuality
was the betrayal, that her body,once again, had done something
wrong. There was a time when Julia
hated her mother. Not with words, not even with
action, with a kind of deep, cold anger that lives inside the

(09:44):
body like an unfinished sentence.
Resentment layered itself into her breath, into her posture,
into the quiet decision she made.
I will not come like you. The first real boyfriend after

(10:05):
the army. At 21, she packed her bag and
left Israel behind. First Southeast Asia, months of
loose plans and silent healing of rice paddies and foreign
heir. Then the US, where she decided
to stay, where she could perhapsdisappear and start over.

(10:27):
She met Gildare, her first real boyfriend, also Israeli,
handsome, sarcastic and funny, the kind of man her mother would
loathe. So of course she fell for him,
not just because she liked him, but because he represented a
door she had never been allowed to open.

(10:49):
If I'm already the bad girl you say I am, she thought, then I
might as well become her. By then, she had carried her
weight for nearly a decade, from16 to 24.
Food had become both farmer and punishment.
Gil didn't care, he found her attractive and that confused

(11:10):
her. Their sex life was light hearted
at first, then strange, then almost non existent.
It became a joke between them, not funny, not cruel, just numb.
Still she stayed. She chased him at first, afraid

(11:31):
to be left, afraid to not be wanted.
But as soon as he turned toward her, fully, obsessively,
lovingly, something inside her recoiled.
She didn't know how to receive that kind of love, Not without a
fight, not without effort. It felt wrong, too easy,

(11:52):
unfamiliar. I was only turned on by chasing,
she would later say. Being loved with that resistance
didn't feel real. They married when she was 24.
Her parents were proud, her mother especially.
Look at my daughter, she said. Moving to Europe, a married

(12:13):
woman. They moved to Sweden.
And from the outside, everythinglooked perfect.
That inside, Julia was alone. Even on her wedding day.
As she walked down the aisle, a voice whispered inside her.
Run, girl, what are you doing? This isn't right.

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She didn't run. She smiled.
She played the role she tried. Eight years later, her body
couldn't lie anymore. It screamed Get out.
There was no great Awakening, nolover waiting in the wings.
Just a quiet, persistent ache that wouldn't go away.

(12:56):
She told herself I'm not OK, butI will be.
She treated the divorce like a project, a process, something to
survive. That survival isn't healing.
That would come later. Later, she'd realised that her
soul had known long before her mind caught up that she didn't

(13:19):
have the tools. So she did what she always had
done. She ran.
Just like she ran after the army.
Just like she ran from shame, just like she ran from love.
And eventually there was no morespace to run, only to feel, to
sit in the rubble of what once was to say this happened, I let

(13:43):
it happen. Now I choose differently.
So hi, Kerry, welcome back to the show.
Hello. Thank you.
Thank you so much. So you've been listening now to
the story about Julia. So what are your first thoughts
of Julia's childhood? Oh, it was such an incredible

(14:08):
story. You've had to share.
It's, it's surprisingly a littlebit similar to my story, to
other people's stories, to stories that I've listened to.
It's really valuable for her to share that with people because
it doesn't really matter where you come from, what religion you
follow, what your background is.There are a lot of similarities

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to people who have that feeling of shame.
Yeah. So shame is sort of one thing
that I think you can take away from what is sort of inherited
shame almost. Absolutely.
It's kind of driven into you in your early years as your
formative years by your parents,by your caregivers, by the

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people who love you but have these.
They have this fear themselves that they plant on their
children. And I think a lot of people can
resonate with with how she describes that.
Yeah, Back in Israel after the marriage ended, Julia genuinely

(15:15):
believed she might be asexual. She didn't understand the hype.
Her friends talked about the hunger, the passion, the glow
after sex. For years, she had lived that
part of life through them, listening to the stories,
laughing at their mishaps, nodding at their confessions.
While she had never felt shame in her marriage, she had also

(15:37):
never felt fully there. She was respected, adored even,
but never claimed, never wanted.With that raw, aching desire her
friends described, she was always in the backseat, a
witness to her own body. In 2015, she moved back to
Israel, Tel Aviv, the city busing with singles desire, sun

(16:02):
and sweat. She was terrified.
She had never truly dated before.
Her friends pushed her into it. Come on, you're stunning.
Just get out there. And helped her open a Tinder
account. By the next morning, she had
over 400 messages. Close it, she told another
friend. Just shut it down.

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The attention was overwhelming. She felt exposed, fake,
undisturbing, as if she was so playing a sexual being, like
everyone could see through her. I had to go back to my skin, she
says. But I didn't know how to wear
it. Tel Aviv is a small town in

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disguise. When you go on Tinder, everyone
sees it. The new users are broadcasted,
faces tossed around. She felt eyes on her in the
streets, judgments, curiosity, whispers.
She wasn't ready. Her friends joked about their
dates. The seven minute guy, the guy

(17:08):
who couldn't get it up, the one with no clue.
But Julia didn't laugh. She didn't want chaos.
She wanted something real, mere.She believed love would come the
old fashioned way and then came near.
It was fast, passionate, disarming.

(17:29):
He chased her. She resisted the usual pattern.
She had to fight the instinct topull away, not because she
didn't like him, but because shedid, and that was more
frightening. A compliment always had a silent
butt at the end. She says like thank you, but you

(17:50):
don't really mean it. Thank you, but I don't disturb
it. But Mere stayed soft, steady.
He had been in the army but didn't carry it like an armour.
He was kind all He showed her love not through drama but
through presence. And slowly something began to

(18:14):
soften in her. He told me what love really was,
she says. And that it begins with loving
yourself. After just four months, she had
met his mother. They'd moved in together.
She was 32. For the first time, she saw a
future, a family, a man she could raise children with.

(18:36):
And then, just like that, he came home one day and said he
couldn't do it anymore. I'm sorry.
I need space, I need time. You need to leave.
She packed her things and moved in with a friend.
Her heart shattered into thousand pieces and she felt
every single one. She cried so hard her body

(18:59):
shook. Not just her heart, her cells
ached. It felt like karma, she said.
Like all the pain I had never felt before suddenly arrived at
once. She begged, pleaded.
Play the little girl, Please don't leave me.
Please love me more. But it was over, and Mere could

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give her nothing more than this,the end.
And in that ending, something else cracked open.
The grief wasn't just about Mere.
He was older. She began to feel the pain she
had caused I'll her first husband.
She remembered his eyes, his loyalty, his quiet love.

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And for the first time, she saw it without resentment, without
guilt, just truth. Mare had broken her open.
And now, now she could feel after Mare.
She broke not just her heart, her whole system.

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The pain didn't just ache, it consumed.
She couldn't eat, couldn't sleep, couldn't feel anything
but a raw, echoing emptiness. So she ran again.
This time to India, but not likebefore, not to escape, to search

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for. So she told herself.
But instead of answers, she found fear.
I fell into it, she says completely.
The fear of being truly alone. It swallowed me.
She panicked. She collapsed into her old
patterns one night, in a haze ofdesperation.

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She called her ex-husband Gil, the man whose heart she had once
broken, the man she couldn't love then, but who had always
been safe. Do you want to try again?
She asked, and to her surprise, he said yes.
He took her back with open arms,numb but safe.

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She says it felt better than alone.
She moved back to Sweden, moved back into the life she had left.
They pretended like nothing had happened, like they were still
the same people, like love be reconstructed from memory alone.
But the truth doesn't wait long.Within weeks she felt it again.

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The holiness, the echo, being unseen of not belonging.
She was emotionally alone, even in bed with him.
And this time she couldn't deny it.
Seven months later, she left forthe final time.
It shattered him completely. Guilt spiralled down into

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addiction, drugs, alcohol, rehab.
He moved back to Israel, in and out of institutions.
The man who had once chased her with hope was now running from
himself. And Julia, for all her love and
guilt, could no longer save him.That was more than 8 1/2 years
ago, she says. And I still carry some of that

(22:15):
grief, but I also know some things aren't mine to fix.
She went back to India again, but this time she didn't run.
She surrendered. She began to rebuild.
Not her image, not her life, buther nervous system.
Yoga, meditation, somatic work, breath work.

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She joined workshops, learned toname her anxiety tanks, sat with
a discomfort rather than fleeingit.
A mentor helped her slow down, soften, breathe.
Forgive. Not just forgive others, she
says. Forgive myself for all the times
I abandoned myself before anyoneelse could.

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India became more than a place. It became a ritual, a return to
the body, a letting go of who she thought she had to be.
So Carrie, what do you think of Julia's transformation
experience in India and with herrelationships?

(23:27):
It's a really beautiful way thatshe describes how in fact, she
almost restructured her whole, her nervous system, her, her
attitude to herself, the way shebegan to love herself and care
for herself and realise that shewas important.

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And, and, and I, and again, it resonates in, in my experience
in life as well, that later on in life, one often has
experiences that, that make you able to breathe and care for
yourself. And, and whether it's through
yoga, whether it's through travel, whether it's true,
something very, very differently.
You can take yourself out of that almost indoctrination,

(24:12):
almost that your parents often often do with the best of
intentions. And, and I don't criticise
parents for doing this. They do the best they can do
with the tools they have. But the way she described how
she rediscovered what was important was actually very
beautiful. And it also gives the people a
lot of hope to be able to do that.

(24:35):
And how how do you feel about the relationships she had up
till that point? Well, it's, it's easy to look
from the outside into somebody else's life and and actually
maybe look at our own lives in in that, in that way and realise
that we create patterns of behaviour.
We keep we going over and over and doing the same thing.

(24:57):
We do the same thing that we've done before because we haven't
got the structure. The structure is how our parents
brought us into the world and the and the words they told us
for those first few years. And if it is all built around
shame and it is all built aroundbeing shameful about our bodies
and our sexuality, we're going to keep making those mistakes.
We're going to meet people in a different guise and a different
look, but underneath we're goingto still make the same mistakes.

(25:21):
So yeah. Very powerful, yeah.
John. Eight years ago, she met John.
They were both in I2, foreigners, 2 seekers.
He was from the UK, just one year older than her.

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Quiet, grounded, curious in a way she didn't see coming.
A way that didn't demand answers.
The first time she saw him, something stirred in her.
Not butterflies, not lust. Something deeper.
I think you're the father of my children, she told him on their

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first date. He blinked, smiled politely.
He probably panicked a little onthe inside, but she meant it.
They spent four years together in India, sometimes rooted,
sometimes spinning. The old patterns didn't vanish.
She still found herself running.He's sometimes pulling away.

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But something had changed. She wanted to stay, to work, to
grow inside the discomfort rather than flee it.
This is the first relationship where I want to do the work, she
says. Not just because of him, because
of who I become when I do. John is spiritual, still

(26:47):
playful, introspective. Their relationship is a mirror,
not always flattering, but always honest.
They trigger each other, but they see each other.
He's my twin flame, she says, not because it's easy, because
it's necessary. They hold space for one another,

(27:07):
not in the performative, modern sense of holding space, but in
the real sense, sitting with each other's silence, not trying
to fix what is tender. They don't always agree.
They don't always understand each other.
But they stay, they soften, theybreathe.
Today, Julia enjoys life, truly.She laughs more.

(27:30):
She eats without guilt. She makes love slowly.
She knows her triggers. She owns her story.
She no longer wants to melt intoanother.
She wants to see her partner andbe seen not just in the light
but in the shadow, in the ordinary, in the quiet mornings

(27:52):
and messy evenings. It's not perfect, but it's real,
and she's here for it. She remembers one night in
India. She and John had gone to a
party, one of those rare evenings when time feels loose,
music feels honest, and the bodyremembers joy.
They were with another couple, those friends.

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The friends had brought their small child along and arranged
for a babysitter later in the evening.
There was dancing, laughter, connection.
Julia watched them not just as acouple, but as two people still
alive in their own lives. The next morning, she asked the
woman for coffee. Something about them had stayed

(28:34):
with her. You seem so present, Julia said.
So loving. Your child was OK with being
left with a sitter. How do you do it?
Her friends smiled gently. Most people put their children
on a pedestal, she said, but notbecause they love them more.
It's because they don't know where else to put their love.

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Then, she explained, first you have to love yourself, then your
relationship, then your partner,and only then your child.
Because when your child sees youloving each other, they learn
what real love looks like. Not sacrifice, not martyrdom,
but presence, boundaries, joy. Your job as a parent isn't to

(29:23):
protect your child from life, it's to prepare them for it.
And something clicked for Julia.If you give everything to your
child and nothing to yourself, what happens when they grow up
and leave? You might lose yourself and your
partner and wonder who you were in the 1st place.

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Four years into her relationshipwith John, Julia became
pregnant. It was during the pandemic.
The world was closing and their hearts were opening.
They moved to Sweden, quietly, intentionally.
They landed. Theo was born.
And for the first time in her life, Julia understood something
about her own mother, something unsaid, something buried beneath

(30:08):
generations of fear and shame and control.
She wrote the letter. A long, angry, tender letter,
full of truth, full of pain. It wasn't to her.
It was to release foreclosure orspace.
And in writing it, she realised something.

(30:29):
She was now caring for Theo in the same fierce, flawed,
protective way her mother had once cared for her.
But now, with awareness, with choice, she could feel the echo
of her mother's love, and she could decide where to continue
and where to break the pattern. She would raise her son in

(30:51):
freedom, not fear. She would love her partner
without losing herself. And most of all, she would stay
with herself, with her body, with her story.
OK, so Carrie, what are your first thoughts of hearing the

(31:13):
full story of Julia? I find her story so powerfully
familiar. I think that's what I, what I
found out. I, I, I, I, just, as I say, I
can, I can think of my own life having a lot of similarities
there. And I think it will, it will, it
will resonate with a lot of other people as well that we

(31:33):
started our life a certain way and we made a lot of mistakes
and actually discovering relationships and, and, and
understanding our sexuality is abit of a lottery if there isn't
a structure of understanding what real love is and what real
pride in our sexuality is. And understanding that comes
from how we are raised in the beginning.

(31:54):
So I think it really is very, very helpful for her to share
that with us all and then to show us how she overcame it, how
she found love and how she overcame some of the very, very
difficult challenges that that presents.
Yeah. And how do you, what do you
think about? We talked about parenting and
and how shame is sort of inherited, but also there's a

(32:15):
story in India when she meets her friend and that tells her
about her view on parenthood, ifyou will, or prioritisations.
What are your thoughts on that? Well, again, it's this
formulation in the first few years of life that really I
believe passionately creates whowe are.

(32:37):
And it took her so much to, to to restructure that, to really
understand how important it is that we understand how to be
through what we learn in the first few years.
And, and actually then bringing children up myself and having
children, understanding that we in the Western world often do
put children on a bit of a pedestal.

(32:57):
We put them first above the relationship that we have with
our partner. And that isn't healthy.
That that we need to teach our children how to love, how to
respect each other, that we are sexual beings, that our partner
is incredibly important to us and show the child how to learn
and how to love. Show them if we don't show them
how to grow and how to create their own life.

(33:21):
Yeah. I.
I quite often see how, you know,I think a lot of parents are
sort of prioritising the children over themselves and
over the relationship, which means when the children are
leaving home, they're quite often left very empty.
Absolutely. And.
And again, it's something that Ithink we all can slip into as

(33:41):
parents. And I certainly wouldn't say
I've got it perfectly right myself at all.
But I think what's beautiful about reading her story is that
she does really touch on these points and it makes you think.
And, and I think any story that really makes you just think
about your life and think about what you're doing and try and
get the balance better and thinkabout what we're trying to

(34:01):
achieve as a parent for the nextgeneration.
Because I think if anything, if we can take some wisdom from our
our own experiences, that's the best we can do.
You know, we might be dealt a a bad card in the beginning of our
life, and she certainly was. But what she's actually done is
she's turned it around and she'snow telling people how she can

(34:23):
do that and how we could do that.
And being a better parent creates a better generation
going forward. So, yeah, it's, it's a wonderful
story. Yeah.
I think that's. That for me is also one of the
key takeaways, I think is that it's a great example where you
can break sort of inherited shame and inherited views on on
on that and actually prioritising self love and love

(34:47):
to your partner. And also then in that way
showing, I guess, for the children how to be loved.
But what does actually love looklike in real life?
So they can be better in adult life, I guess.
Absolutely. I mean, that's a beautiful.
Message, isn't it? It's incredible.
And and I'm breaking that chain of shame.
It's not easy. It's not easy at all because it

(35:09):
will be there festering in you. But it is possible.
And that's what I love about this, is that actually we can
break change. We can break patterns.
We can replace negative thoughtsand experiences with new ideas
and feelings. We can.
That, that's what I take from it, is that there's a lot of
hope for people to be able to rather than say this is me and I

(35:30):
can't change is actually we can.Yeah, so do.
You think there's anything men can learn from this in in the
story about Absolutely. I I don't think it's I don't
think. It's just for women at all.
I think it's very much for men as well.
Again, my my clients are often men, 90% of them are men.
And I would say that pretty muchevery conversation I have on the

(35:55):
level of dating and relationships, we start with
their childhood and we talk about their childhood.
And straight away, you know, I'mnot, I'm not a psychologist.
I'm, I'm but, but I know very much from the reading that I've
done and, and the experiences I've had with people, I'm lucky
enough to hear their story, thatit stems a lot of their problems

(36:17):
stem a lot from their childhood and the shame that they feel and
the shame they feel about their sexuality.
And that might be something thathappened at boarding school or
it might be happening in the home.
It might be something their mother or their father.
But it's the adult caregivers intheir life who started that seed
of shame. So it doesn't matter whether

(36:37):
you're a man or woman. This is often a really, really,
really big subject that comes upagain and again.
Yeah. And I think that's.
Also, I think for women, I guessit's very similar message to
what they can learn from this aswell.
Absolutely, Absolutely. We, we, we are extraordinary
creatures, human beings. We've we've evolved over

(36:58):
thousands of years. But yeah, we sometimes lose
touch of what it is to be human and how we relate to each other
in society and how we relate to each other in the, in the, in
the, you know, different peer groups and the, the elders and,
and, and the children. Now we, we, we don't necessarily
have a great structure to our society.

(37:19):
When you look at other cultures,whether it's India or Africa or,
you know, that, that it's, it's more clearly defined.
And I think that's what is so beautiful for she went away to
India and she discovered how to be more human.
And that's, that can be a femaleperspective or male perspective,
but yeah, it's a very, it's a very poignant story.

(37:39):
Very beautiful. Yeah.
She found herself in the. End of the day, which I think is
beautiful and yeah, yes. Absolutely excellent.
Thank you. Kerry, thank you.
In summary, Julia's story is that of finding home within
yourself, trusting that you havea spark, a light within you, and

(38:03):
that awareness and choice is key.
To love without losing yourself,to stay with yourself, your
body, your story. I look forward to having you in
the next episode.
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