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A family of three is brutally murdered in their rural New Jersey home in 1978. Police dismissed early rumors of connections to a violent motorcycle gang, but as the years went on they began to lean into that theory more, especially after a chillingly similar crime 3.5 years later. While many accept this theory, some say the killings feel more personal and fall outside of the way outlaw motorcycle gangs operate. Despite extensive theories and speculation, the triple homicide remains unresolved nearly fifty years later, with surviving family members continuing to seek answers that may provide closure.  

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
A family of three is brutally murdered in their rural
New Jersey home in nineteen seventy eight. Police dismissed early
rumors of connections to a violent motorcycle gang, but as
the years went on, they began to lean into that
theory more, especially after a chillingly similar crime three and
a half years later. While many except this theory, some

(00:34):
say the killings feel more personal in fall outside of
the way outlaw motorcycle gangs operate. With all kinds of
theories and speculation, one fact remains. The triple homicide is
still unsolved nearly fifty years later, and surviving family members
are pleading for answers that could bring them closure. I'm

(00:55):
your host, Megan, and each week on a Simpler Time
True Crime, I cover older unsolved cases and challenge the
idea that a simpler time means a safer time. This week,
I'm bringing to you the unsolved murders of Gary, Joan
and Jason Deal. I want to give a special content

(01:37):
warning at the top of this episode. This case is
brutal and there is no way for me to cover
it without discussing the brutality against both the adult victims
and the small child. The methods of killing in details
related have fed speculation about who is behind the crime,
and so they are important to discuss. Please take care

(01:59):
when listening. It was early Monday morning, October thirtieth, nineteen
seventy eight, and Alan Deal was feeling uneasy. His mother
had convinced him to give her a ride over to
his twenty six year old brother Gary's house, and she
asked Allan to go check on Gary and his family.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
And for good reason.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Nobody had heard from Gary, his wife Joan, or his
young son Jason in several days. Gary had missed work
and nobody was answering the phone at the house. Allan
and the rest of the Deal family lived five miles
away in Hammonton, New Jersey, and Gary and his small
family lived in Falsom, New Jersey, which is located partway

(02:44):
between Philadelphia and Atlantic City. At the time, Falsom was
rule and had about twenty three hundred people living there.
Allan approached the house with caution. As he opened the
front door, something was immediately wrong. He was able to
just push it open, and just inside the front door

(03:04):
was the body of his brother Gary. He was lying
in a pool of blood and it was clear that
his brother was dead and had died a violent death.
Authorities were called to the scene and what would meet
them inside would be seared into their memories forever. Just
inside the doorway was Gary Deal. He was in his

(03:27):
pajama pants and had suffered gunshot wounds to his head
and his throat had been cut. Upstairs in the split
level home was the master bedroom. His wife, Joan, was
nude and also had gunshot wounds to the head and
her throat had.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Been cut as well.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
And just across the hallway was the bedroom of three
year old Jason Deal. Jason had been asleep in his crib,
cuddling his curious George stuffed animal when somebody came into
his bedroom and slit his throat. As a mother myself,
that detail absolutely wrecked me, and whoever did this has

(04:09):
to be pure evil to do that to a little baby.
Gary's mother was so distraught she collapsed and had to
be rushed to the hospital for care, and the immediate
community was petrified with fear and shock. The Deals lived
in a modern, brown colored.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Split level home.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
All of the comfortable, working class family homes in the
area sat on one to three acres of land and
were nestled in or up to the sandy pine forests.
The Deal's home backed up to the woods and in
the backyard you could see a well loved toddler swing.
Across the street from the Deal family lived Falsome Police

(04:51):
Chief Edward eb According to reporting in the Courier Post,
the borough only had two police officers. They only worked
weekends during the summer and on special nights the rest
of the year, such as Halloween, for example.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
So the state Police out of.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
The Maize Landing Barracks covered the area regularly, and state
police would be who took the lead on this case.
The neighbors in the area willingly talked to police, but
on the advice of police, they were weary of talking
about the family to the press, which was understandable. The

(05:30):
police truly couldn't say what the motive was, and so
it made sense that they told neighbors in the area
to lay low. If any neighbors, for example, told the
press they saw something, they had reason to fear for
their own lives.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
For neighbors who.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Would say something, they described the Deal family as quiet
and that they kept themselves. Joan was a year younger
than Gary and Gary had grown up in Hammonton. Joan
graduated from Atlantic City High School. When the two met
while mutually attending Atlantic Cape Community College.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
The two began.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Dating and wed, and shortly thereafter came baby Jason and
their move to this home. Joan stayed home with Jason
and Gary worked different trade jobs, first in general construction,
and more recently he had worked for a local company
installing fences, a place called r AC Fencing Co. Jason

(06:26):
hardly had a moment to become what he was going
to be on this earth before his future was violently
taken from him, and we don't know too much about
Joan either.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Most of what we know about people.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Personally in this case revolves around Gary, but even that
is pretty slim. Gary was Presbyterian and Joan and Jason
were Jewish, so they had two separate funerals and different
religious observances when it came to their deaths, and Joan
and Jason are buried next to each other. The last
person to place Gary alive with his coworker at the

(07:02):
fencing company. He had dropped Gary off between six and
six thirty pm on Thursday, October twenty sixth His coworker
said that Gary was in a good mood because that
day was he and Jones's fifth wedding anniversary and they
were going to celebrate that night. Gary was due to
return to work the next morning, but when that same

(07:24):
coworker pulled up to his house to pick him up
Friday morning, Gary wasn't outside waiting like usual, and while
this was unusual, they chalked it up to him still
celebrating and didn't think too much of it. But phone
calls went unanswered through the weekend, and then he didn't
show up to work on Monday. That is when his

(07:44):
family decided to go check on him and found the
horrible scene. Gary's colleague said he was a reliable worker
and a nice kind guy. He had worked for the
company in the spring of seventy eight and then took
some time off for leg surgery. He had done returned
back to work several weeks prior to the murders. His
coworker said he loved his wife and son and loved hunting.

(08:08):
He was a simple guy who didn't need much. In fact,
his coworker, Vince, described him as happy, go lucky and
said that they were even slated to go hunting the
upcoming weekend after they were found dead. Instead, Vince would
be attending Gary's funeral. I share this next detail not

(08:36):
to exploit a family's grief, but to serve as a
reminder of the deep pain in how these families go through.
It's hard enough to lose a loved one under any circumstance,
but the horrible attack on this family was unimaginable. Gary's
parents had to be helped to sit down at his funeral.

(08:56):
His mother practically had to be carried, and upon seeing
his casket being carried out, she again collapsed, just like
on the day she found out he was murdered, and
first responders were called to her aid. She kept begging
the ambulance not to take her and to just let
her be with her son, and to not take his
casket away from her. That paralyzing grief stayed steady, but

(09:21):
what also joined it was resolve in determination to find
out who did this to her son, her daughter in law,
and her grandson. The Deals put up a reward for information,
and police got to work piecing together the crime scene
itself and the life and history of the Deal family.
As I mentioned earlier, Gary was found just inside the doorway.

(09:45):
This led investigators to surmise that Gary was ambushed and
killed first. The killer then went upstairs to where Joan
was killed, followed by little Jason. Joan was found nude,
but there has never been any mention of a secon
xual assault. If there was, police have kept that secret
all of these years. It's, of course not unusual for

(10:07):
a person to sleep naked. Some people just prefer to,
and of course, if we're being honest, it's also not
outside of the norm for a married couple to be
naked in their bedroom late in an evening after putting
their child to bed, especially on their anniversary. It's possible
that when Gary heard the doorbell ring, he quick just
put on his pajama pants, and based on the timeline

(10:29):
police put together, they had established their own estimated time
of death. The medical examiner could not. Based on the
state of the bodies when they were found, it appears
that had not just happened, but he couldn't exactly say
when it did. But given that his colleagues saw him
at six point thirty pm dropping him off on Thursday,

(10:50):
and that Gary wasn't outside Friday morning for his ride
as expected, they believe the crime took place late Thursday
evening or in the early morning hours of Friday. Interestingly,
there were no signs of forced entry. Initial searches found
nothing missing, and there were no weapons found inside the home.

(11:12):
This detail, in particular, solidified for investigators what they were
already pretty much sure of anyways, this was not a
murder suicide. In the early investigation, police would not describe
what type of gun was used, what caliber, or how
many times the Deals had been shot. They did share
that the slugs were undergoing testing, and in the meantime,

(11:36):
police combed the area of property in woods to look
for any type of discarded murder weapon or any evidence,
but they had no luck. Early rumors surfaced that Gary
might have been a police informant or part of a
motorcycle gang. In fact, just a few days into the
investigation in early November, State Police Sergeant Charles Fuker said, quote,

(12:00):
we're trying to see if he had any enemies. Well,
we all have enemies, but if he had any enemies
that would want to kill him. He also said that
they were quote ninety nine percent sure that Deal had
been at one time a member of a local violent
motorcycle gang, but within a couple months of that quote,
they seemed to walk that back. Investigators said they had

(12:24):
reason to believe that Gary rode motorcycles and would do
side work fixing them up, but that he wasn't part
of any official.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Clubs or outlaw clubs.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
They also confirmed that none of the siblings in Gary's
family had any connection to them, and so at that
point that was sort of tabled. But people couldn't help
but feel like this was a hit and being where
they were, and in the nineteen seventies, the public wanted
to know if police thought the mob was involved. But

(12:55):
Bernard McBride, the chief of detectives for the Atlanta County
Prosecutors Office, dismiss this. He said, quote, anything like this
happens in Atlantic County is automatically tied to organized crime.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
It's just not that way. End quote.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
The deal family lived in a rural town, but they
lived on County Route five sixty one, a busier two
lane road. The street is known locally as Blue Anchor Road,
and it's a mile east of the Atlantic City Expressway.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
So police decided that.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
In that first week they were going to take one
evening and they set up a six hour road block.
According to reporting in the press of the Atlantic City,
the state troopers freezing and rubbing their hands together trying.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
To warm up.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
They would have motorists roll their windows down and greet
them with something friendly, just saying hi, sorry to bother you.
We're just looking to see if you drove by this
area on Thursday evening, and they were hoping to find
someone who maybe saw a suspicious individual or vehicle. They
stopped two hundred vehicles in the first hour alone between
both directions of traffic, and they did say that they

(14:04):
got some leads, so the arduous task wasn't in vain. Still,
it wasn't anything that would majorly propel the case forward.
Ten days into the investigation, police announced they had no suspects,
no motives, and that they were just continuing to try
to talk to the Deal family's friends, relatives and ask
more questions. Thus far, nobody in the Deal family had

(14:27):
a criminal history, large amounts of money, or anything that
would warrant this level of violence. By early December, crime
stoppers had joined in with their own reward and did
a large billboard style campaign to get tipsters to come forward.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
They hoped the.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Anonymity that comes with crime, stoppers would bring in leads
and slowly it seemed to though police did not release
any of that information at the time. By February of
nineteen seventy nine, police released some fresh information to the public.
Was just desperate for answers. First, they shared that remember

(15:05):
how they said nothing was taken from the home, turns
out there were some items missing, notably guns for total
and it was a combination of rifles and handguns. They
also said some additional property was missing, though they didn't
specify what that meant. Lastly, they shared that back on

(15:25):
December seventh of nineteen seventy eight, Joan Deal's wallet was
located in a wooded area. At this point, four months
into the investigation, the detectives working the case told the
public that they were hoping to talk to any friends
or family members who may have been in the house
touching things in the weeks or even months leading up

(15:45):
to the murders. They were trying to eliminate fingerprints and
determine which ones in the.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Home might actually belong to suspects.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
State Police detective Gary Ashman also told the press of
Atlantic City Paper that they were looking into a possible
connection of another homicide that had happened recently. In this case,
the wife, daughter, and son were all implicated in a
murder for hire plot that killed a long haul truck driver.

(16:14):
The family had hired a barroom bouncer to kill the
man for his union insurance policy payout of about twenty
thousand dollars. Ashmand said they couldn't find any huge connection,
especially since that case was solved, but they did notice
that this man was also shot and had his throat slit.
So was this barroom bouncer connected or hired in any

(16:36):
way by someone? The circumstances were just early similar. By
the end of nineteen seventy nine, local reporters would reveal
once again that while police did not have an agreed
upon consensus as to why the Deal family was murdered
and who did it, they did feel it was connected
to the Pagan motorcycle gang. At least many members of

(16:57):
law enforcement did. This theory would only be more solidified
a few years later in nineteen eighty two, when another
family would be murdered and all of a sudden, dots
would start to connect in the Deal family case. On

(17:21):
April seventeenth, nineteen eighty two, the Stuart family was home
in their split level home in Pine Hill, New Jersey,
about twenty miles northwest of the Deal family home. Thirty
three year old William Stewart and his wife, thirty four
year old Catherine had adopted two little girls from Peru
in nineteen eighty two.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Miriam was five and Sandy was three.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
The family decided they were going to have a quiet
movie night in when suddenly, around nine pm, a gunman
kicked in the back door of the house. The man
was wearing a long, scraggly wig, and within moments he
demanded the adults go upstairs. He spotted little three year
old Sandy, who was with her big sister Miriam. He

(18:08):
told the girl to look away and that she wouldn't
want to see this, and then he shot both of
the adults execution style. Sandy was upset and crying, and
the gunman told her that if she didn't stop crying,
he'd shoot her too. She cried laying near her father,
and moments later he shot her as well, once in
the head. Miriam was hiding in her bedroom and to

(18:32):
this day she doesn't know if the gunman.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Even knew she was there.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
She waited a bit before running to a neighbor for help,
and I cannot imagine what she must have.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Lived with over the years.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
She's actually done some incredible interviews over the years, and
I'll linked them in the show notes. She's had many
personal struggles after the murders, but she's had triumphs as well.
And Miriam, if you're listening to this just now, I
think you're amazing. By December of nineteen eighty three, there
was an indictment on that case, and the truth was

(19:05):
a tragedy in itself. The Stuart family was killed on
accident a bungled hit. The hit man went to the
wrong home that night and three people died in what
a web it was. The man arrested was forty seven
year old Lewis Giambi. He was incarcerated already on a

(19:27):
four year drug charge, and he had ties to both
organized crime and the Pagan motorcycle gang. In May of
eighty three, Giambi and others had been arrested for operating
a nearby methamphetamine lab. This part gets a little convoluted,
so stick with me. Lewis Jiambi was allegedly hired by
a man named James Chlorin Junior Clorin, was a drug dealer,

(19:51):
a gun runner, and an associate of the Pagan motorcycle club. Chlorin,
through John Defranc, who was president of the Camden Chad
of the Pagans at the time, hired Giambi to kill
a man named Larry Augustine, whom Chlorin had stabbed and
who was set to testify against Chlorin soon. Giambi, who

(20:12):
some sources say was high on drugs that night, went
to the wrong Pine Hill home and killed the wrong family.
Chlorin was murdered just five weeks later for failure to
pay for the contract killing. Absolutely wild and horrific, and
apparently Giambi told a cellmate that when you do a

(20:33):
killing like that, you have to eliminate all witnesses, even
the littlest ones, which sent a chill up my spine.
What a coward you have to be to murder a
small child because you're too afraid of going to jail.
Just straight up coward behavior. So let's take a moment

(20:53):
to talk about motorcycle gangs in New Jersey at this
time and what it was like there. For this part,
I'm relying heavily on reporting from the Courier posts that
I'll have linked in the show notes, and also some
more recent sources as well. So the motorcycle club, known
as the Pagan's Motorcycle Club but simply just mostly the
time referred to as the Pagans, traces its beginnings to

(21:14):
the late fifties in Prince George's County, Maryland. It was
initially just thirteen founding motorcyclists who rode Triumph Motorcyclists together
and eventually merged into Riding Harley's. In the beginning, they
wore denim jackets with a simple embroidered insignia rather than
the full three piece patches typical of one percenter clubs. Now,

(21:39):
as the sixties progressed, the Pagans began to shift from
a casual motorcycle brotherhood towards something more structured and then
more notorious. They adopted the norms of what is known
as the Outlaw Motorcycle Club or Outlaw Motorcycle Gang, which
is what the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms
and Explosives or the ATF, they recognize and classify them

(22:01):
as a gang. They began to develop an organizational structure.
They had chapters, colors, or club patches and a territorial presence.
Their expansion from their Maryland roots took them throughout the
mid Atlantic and.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
The East Coast.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Over the decades, the Pagans became deeply involved in a
wide variety of criminal activities, things like drug trafficking, including methamphetamine,
firearms violations, extortion, violent confrontations with rival motorcycle clubs, particularly
Hell's Angels, and just territory wars across states. The club's

(22:39):
internal leadership is said to be governed by a mother
club or a board of senior members, and they oversee
the chapters discipline, policy, and expansion. Members typically pay upwards
of one hundred dollars plus a month towards that mother club.
When the Pagans started out, they initially represented what a

(23:00):
lot of post war motorcycle clubs did, this desire for freedom,
rebellion against conventional norms, the open road as a metaphor.
But then there was this gradual institutionalization of that rebellion
into formal clubs which had these structure and identity and
patches and hierarchies and ultimately criminal enterprise. Just for a

(23:23):
point of reference, the phrase one percenter emerged to describe
such clubs stemming from the idea that ninety nine percent
of motorcyclists are law abiding and the one percent are outlaws,
and the Pagan's journey is definitely emblematic.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Of that shift.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
The deputy director of the FBI in the mid eighties,
a man named Oliver Buck Revel, described the danger of
these motorcycle gangs, saying he would give the mafia a
ten and the biker gangs a climbing six on a
scale of organization, violence, influence, and danger to society. In addition,
because of their access to drug funded wealth, they were

(24:02):
able to hire talented lawyers and do things like bribe
public officials. At the time, there were approximately two hundred
outlaw gangs across the country. The West Coast was known
for the heavy influence of Hell's Angels. The Outlaws were
in Florida and the southeastern United States, and the Bandidos
operated heavily in Texas and the southwest US and in

(24:25):
the mid Atlantic. That's where the Pagans ran the show.
According to Revel, while Hell's Angels had the biggest numbers,
the Pagans were the most sophisticated and organized. The Pagans
were also known to have occasional overlap in business with
the mafia, and he also noted that they seemed to
have no fear in very little respect for the Mafia.

(24:48):
Frequently the bikers and Mafia would come together over joint interests.
This would be things like drug deals, particularly methamphetamine, and
also the bikers or their associates were known to be
hired by the Mob to perform contract beatings or murders
for the Mob. The Camden chapter that was thought to
be connected to the Deal murders and definitely connected to

(25:10):
the Stuart murders that was dissolved in nineteen eighty one
when their president was shot in the head during a
botched heroin deal. All members joined other nearby chapters in
Atlantic City and Delaware County, Pennsylvania. The Pagans are still
around today. According to an article on slash gear dot com.
They said quote the Pagan's motorcycle club explicitly prohibits some

(25:32):
people from joining them. According to the SCI Report, which
was a state report, members must be adult males holding
a motorcycle license who own a Harley Davidson motorcycle. Women
are not permitted in the motorcycle club, and it goes
even Further, the by laws state that women rank below
dogs and that members partners are referred to as old

(25:54):
ladies and often wear property of patches. Current or former
law enforcement officers are also banned from joining, and, unsurprisingly,
given that it has white supremacist roots, black riders are
also not allowed. The most important symbol for the Pagan's
Club is the three.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Piece patch issued on the.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Back of their jackets, which is referred to as a
member's colors. These colors are treated as the club's property,
and that means that if the member gets kicked out,
they have to hand over those right away, along with
anything else carrying the Pagan name. If you're interested in
this topic, I recommend the book Writing with Evil, a
book by federal agent Ken Crok that talks about his

(26:35):
time undercover and everything he encountered, from the structure to
the violence, drugs, white supremacy, all of the above. He
was an undercover agent that was able to get in
with the Pagans for several years. But I know what
you're thinking, Megan. Thank you for that crash course on
motorcycle gangs, But how did they tie the Pagans to

(26:55):
the Deal family. While in nineteen eighty five. Robert Mahall
of the State Police's Major Crimes Unit, gave some more
insight into their investigation. According to Mholland, two weeks before
the murders, a charred stolen car was found near Zion
Lake in Burlington County, and it had license plates on
it connected.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
To the Deals.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Police pieced together that they believed Gary Deal and James
Chlorin Junior, who is the same one who hired the
botched hit that resulted in the murder of the Stuart
family and then was murdered himself for failing to pay up.
Their belief was that Deal and Chlorin had been working
together and doing some low level criminal activity, things like
larceny and auto thefts. What's more, police revealed that Gary

(27:40):
Deal frequented.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
A bar called the Red Onion.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
The bar was located in Lindenwood, which is not exactly
next door to the Deal's home. It was up Moore
near Pine Hill, a good eighteen or so miles away,
and guests who owned that bar none other than Chlorin
and Giambi Giambi the hit man.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
But that's not all.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Giambi and Deal were two authorized visitors to a known
incarcerated drug dealer being held at a psychiatric hospital in
Joan Deal's wallet that was found very close to the
location of the red Onion just three blocks away. Police's
belief at the time was that Deal was silenced as

(28:23):
a way of preventing him from going to law enforcement
about any of the activity he was aware of or
involved in, and that Giambi was hired by Chlorin to
do the crime. Detective Mohalan revealed that this conclusion was
arrived at after seven years of police work where they
interviewed over a thousand people across multiple states, going down

(28:44):
as far as Florida and over to Chicago, and he
said he was holding off until they had a secure
case to bring to trial, but so far that day
has never come. In twenty eighteen, the New Jersey State

(29:08):
Police issued a fresh plea to the public for information
that could help them close the case of one of
the most infamous unsolved murders in state history. It's well
believed that this was connected to the Motorcycle gang and
that there just hasn't been enough evidence. It did come
out that the weapon used was a nine shot twenty.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Five caliber revolver. The killer shot Gary.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Five times in the head and Joan four times out
of bullets.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
The killer then slit little.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Jason's throat as well as his parents. If Giambi is
responsible for the killings, we won't hear it from him.
He died still in prison for the Stuart family murders
in twenty twenty, but Jiambi wouldn't have acted as a standalone,
and others still out there have information now. Just to

(30:01):
be clear, some people do not believe that this is
connected to the Outlaw gang. They said that these killings
feel personal, that it happened on the anniversary, so there
was speculation of maybe there was something else out there,
something romantic, something from prior to them ever dating. But
that is of course just speculation, in my opinion, really

(30:23):
far fetched because one of the biggest arguments here is
the people who do not believe it has anything to
do with the motorcycle gang. They said, well, a motorcycle
gang would typically just.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Kill the man, not his whole family.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
But we know from the murders of the Stuart family
that that's not the case, and it's been connected that
Deal allegedly associated with these people himself. But even if
Gary Deal had gotten caught up in some criminal activity.
He didn't deserve to die for it. According to detectives
in the eighties, they do not believe that Joan had

(30:58):
any awareness of Gary's business, and Jason was just a toddler.
The living relatives of Gary, Joan and Jason, they just
want answers, and nearly fifty years later, the clock is
running out for survivors to do so. Now is the time.
If you have any information on the Deal family murders

(31:20):
in nineteen seventy eight, please contact the State Police Homicide
South Unit at six zero nine five six' one eighteen,
hundred extension thirty three fifty. Four this has been another
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