March 2, 2025 • 16 mins
A powerful exploration of how tarot can be used for self-discovery and growth, guided by Teru Nakashima's insightful methods. We dive into a profound session and unpack the lessons learned about overcoming self-doubt and embracing personal challenges.
• Introduction to tarot and its transformative potential
• Breakdown of Nakashima's approach and the client’s situation
• Highlights of the Strength, Lovers, and Star cards and their significance
• Practical advice on managing tasks and seeking support
Remember to cultivate self-awareness, resilience, and compassion as you navigate your life's challenges!
Teru Nakashima, All about Self-esteem
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, so get ready, because today we're
diving into the world of tarot.
Oh cool, but with a bit of atwist.
Okay, you know you sent us thistranscript of a session, and
it's with Teru Nakashima.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Right, yeah, Nakashima.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Yeah, and you know, in Japan he's like huge for all
his work on self-esteem, and sowe're going to unpack how he
actually uses tarot to work witha client, and this client is
battling well two things reallyokay.
Low confidence, right, and uh,a deadline that's coming up
pretty fast oh, I know thatfeeling.
(00:34):
Yeah, everyone does so what's sointeresting to me right off the
bat yeah is that the wholesession it's in japanese and you
can just tell like right awaythat Nakashima he isn't focused
on, you know, like predictingthe future or anything.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It's not about fortune telling.
No, not at all it seems likeit's more about like using the
cards to kind of guide theclient towards action.
You know helps them build theirself-belief.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It's like he's using the cards almost as a way to
have this conversation with theclient, subconscious.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, you know, bringing all these hidden
thoughts and feelings just up tothe surface Totally, and you
know what the client's situationis, something I think a lot of
us can relate to.
Oh, for sure you know they'vebeen procrastinating on this
task.
The deadline is like rightaround the corner and their
self-doubt is just spiraling.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Like a downward spiral.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
And they even say to Nakashima like you know, I feel
paralyzed, like the pressure isjust too much.
Yeah, but before they even getto the cards, nakashima has them
do like breathing exercisesInteresting.
What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I think it's smart.
Yeah, think about that.
I I think it's smart.
Yeah, I mean, he clearlyunderstands the connection
between you know how we feel,like our emotional state and our
ability to actually thinkclearly, right?
That feeling of I can't do this, you know, it's often rooted in
anxiety, right?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
not a lack of capability yeah, so he's really
trying to create like a sense ofcalm before they even like
touch the cards.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, get them grounded, smart yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Okay, so the first card he pulls yes Is strength,
yeah, but it's reversed.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Ooh interesting.
So what does that tell us?
What does he say?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Classic indicator of, like you know, that inner
strength is blocked.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
The clients, you know , their usual drive, their
determination.
It's all being kind ofovershadowed by this urge to
just like.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
To just avoid it.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, withdraw, avoid the whole thing.
And this is where I thinkNakashima.
Just, he uses this brilliantanalogy of a tree.
Oh so he describes the client'sself-esteem as the roots of
this tree, which you know,they're a little shaky right now
but they're still anchored.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Still there.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
What I love about that is that it's both accurate
and de-reassuring at the sametime.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Totally.
He's not sugarcoating it right.
I mean, the client isstruggling, but he's emphasizing
that even when you know, evenwhen our self-esteem takes a hit
, there's still that corestrength that you can tap back
into.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It's still there, so the roots are there, you just
need a little TLC.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
A little love.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So what's next?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Okay, so next card is the lovers.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Which you know, usually that has pretty positive
connotations.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, sure Choice partnership.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
you know, usually that has pretty positive
connotations yeah sure Choicepartnership.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
You know connection Connection right.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
So how does that work with this client situation?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Well, what's interesting is Nakashima.
He kind of picks up on thistendency.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
In the client to try and do everything solo.
Oh yeah, Like they have tohandle this all alone.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And so the lovers appearing here is a direct
challenge to that mindset.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
You know, it's like the cards are saying hey, look
around, you have support.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
You don't have to do it all yourself.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, and it ties into that thing.
We all think, you know, thatasking for help is a sign of
weakness.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
When actually it can be incredibly empowering.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yes, and the lovers it also brings in, like that
element of choice.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Right, and Nakashima emphasizes how each decision,
even something small likechoosing to work on the task for
just 15 minutes.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, yeah Can shift the energy A little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And break that procrastination cycle.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Momentum yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
It's like saying you are not a victim of your
circumstances.
You have agency Absolutely,which I mean.
I think we all need to hearthat sometime.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Oh for sure, Big time .
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Right, it's a good reminder that we're not like
passive bystanders in our ownlives.
Yeah, we have the power to makechoices that move us forward.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
You're in the driver's seat exactly all, right
now the final card.
Okay, the final card, drum rollthat he pulls.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah is the star the star and if you've ever seen
this card, it's just, it'svisually stunning oh, yeah,
beautiful this bright, shiningstar in the night sky uh-huh and
nakashima.
He really leans into that wholeimage.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I bet.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, he points out how you know, just the literal
brightness of the star right.
It's like a representation ofall this unseen potential that
exists for the client.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Even though they're struggling.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Even amidst, yeah, all their current struggles.
It's like he's saying look,things might feel dark right now
, yeah, but there's a wholegalaxy of possibility Of that
Waiting for you.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
On the other side of this deadline.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Beautiful.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And he connects this so beautifully back to the
client's situation.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Okay, how so?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
He's suggesting that by completing this task, the
client they won't justexperience, you know, relief.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
It's more than just relief.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
It's a renewed sense of self-belief.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
You know, remember that tree.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It's like the leaves are starting to unfurl and
flourish again.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I love that imagery.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
It's so vivid.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
It really is.
He's painting this picture of,like this positive
transformation.
Yeah, and it's possible.
It's not just about checking abox.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
It's about restoring a sense of confidence, and
agency, you got this.
Exactly.
And then you know, heencourages the client to
actually visualize their ownstar.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
To imagine like that feeling of accomplishment.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, yeah and inner peace, that's powerful.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
That's waiting for them.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, what a great way to like shift the focus away
from fear, yes, and towards amore positive outlook.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Exactly.
It's interesting, though, likehe doesn't just leave it at that
Right With that hopeful image,you know, he actually gives the
client some really practicaladvice.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Okay On how to get there, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
While he suggests like breaking the task down.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Okay, yeah, into smaller steps.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Smaller steps, yeah To overcome that feeling of
being overwhelmed.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Mm-hmm Classic advice .
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
But it really works.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Right, it's so effective, it's so effective
Because it shifts your focus.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
From this huge, daunting project.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
To something manageable.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yes, something manageable, yes, totally.
It's like, instead of staringup at this like massive mountain
, you're just focusing on takingthat first step on the trail.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Exactly, yeah, and he also talks about support.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And not just practical help, but also like
emotional support from peoplewho believe in them.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Which goes back to, like you know, that lover's card
and that whole idea that wedon't have to do this alone.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
We're not alone.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
It's like he's giving the client permission to like
lean on their network a littlebit.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
It's more than permission.
I think it's encouragement.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Oh OK.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
You know, it's like he's saying, hey, seeking
support is a sign of strength,not weakness.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Oh, I like that.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And it's also a reminder that we all have blind
spots.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Sometimes we need that outside perspective to see
things clearly.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
And then, of course, there's the whole piece about
you know, cultivating hope.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, which can feel a little abstract.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
It can, yeah, a little bit, but he brings it
back to the tree.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yes, he does, he ties it back beautifully.
Yeah, he reminds the clientlike, even when the leaves are
all withered, the roots arestill there.
You know, yeah, gatheringstrength, they're still there.
And that consistent effort, yes, even in small doses.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
It'll nourish those roots.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
It'll nourish those roots.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
And'll nourish those roots and lead to new growth.
It's such a powerful metaphorit is for like the resilience of
the human spirit.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, it's not just aboutgetting through this one
deadline.
It's about building thatfoundation.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yes, of self-belief yes.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
That can carry you through anything.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Exactly yeah.
You know what I find socompelling about Nakashima's
approach.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
What's that Exactly?
Yeah, you know what I find socompelling about Nakashima's
approach.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
He never dictates.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Oh, interesting.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
He guides, he uses the cards as this framework for
self-discovery, not as this setof rigid rules.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
It's like.
Here are some tools andinsights.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Now you create your own path forward, exactly.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And it's clear from the client's responses in the
transcript that they're likefeeling empowered by this whole
process.
They're starting to seethemselves as capable of
overcoming this challenge.
Yeah, and maybe even likegrowing from it.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I love that Right.
This session really highlightswhat tarot can be yes when it's
used in this way.
Yes, it's not about you knowfortune telling.
It's about self-reflection.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, personal growth , and I think it speaks to like
that deeper human need formeaning and guidance.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
We all need a little guidance sometimes.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Right, we all face challenges, oh yeah, in life,
and sometimes we need a littlehelp navigating those.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
The rough waters.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Those rough waters, the choppy seas of life.
And what's so fascinating isthat the cards themselves they
don't actually provide theanswers.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Right, no, no, they're prompts.
They're prompts To help you goinward.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
To trigger introspection and insight.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
It's like they're holding up a mirror.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Reflecting back what's already inside of us, but
maybe hidden beneath thesurface.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Absolutely, and that's where the reader comes in
.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yes, you know, this is key.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Someone like Nakashima.
They can interpret those cardswithin the context of what the
client's going through.
Yes, you know offering insightsand guidance.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
That go deeper.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
That go beyond just the like traditional meanings of
the cards.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yes, which is why it's so important to find a
reader who, like, reallyresonates with you.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Someone who can hold space for your vulnerability and
guide you with like compassionand wisdom.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Absolutely.
It's not just about the cards.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
It's about the connection.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And the trust.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Between the reader and the seeker.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Okay, so we've talked a lot about this specific
reading, but, like, what do youthink this tells us about tarot
in general?
Like, is this somethingeveryone should try?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
You know, I wouldn't say it's for everyone.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
OK.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
But I do think anyone who's curious about exploring
their inner world, yeah,understanding their patterns, mm
hmm, gaining a new perspectiveon their challenges.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Could benefit from it .
Speaker 1 (11:11):
And it's not about giving away your power to the
cards, right?
No, no, you're still in control.
You're the one in control Withyour voices and your actions.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Totally, it's a tool for self-discovery.
Yes, not a crystal ball, right,you know?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
The cards can offer insights and guidance.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Uh-huh.
But ultimately, Like you decide.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
You decide what to do with that.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
So it's more about sparking that internal dialogue
that conversation with yourintuition.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Okay now, yeah, before we wrap up this whole
deep dive, okay, I want to leaveyou with a question.
All right, hit me.
That's been like swirling in mymind ever since I read this
transcript.
I love a good question.
You know how we always hearthat phrase, like what doesn't
(11:58):
kill you makes you stronger.
But what if, instead of seeingobstacles as like these threats,
we viewed them as likeopportunities to strengthen our
roots?
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
You know, like those trees that Nakashima was talking
about.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
That's a really interesting way to look at it
Right.
It shifts the focus, you know,from fear and avoidance to
growth, yes, and resilience.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
And it aligns perfectly with Nakashima's
approach.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
It does.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Of using challenges as these catalysts for
self-discovery.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
And personal development.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, it's like saying, okay, this is tough, but
it's also a chance for me tolike dig deeper.
Yeah, Learn something learnsomething new about myself and
come out the other side stronger.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I love it, embrace it all.
Yes, the good and the bad, thegood the bad, knowing that, even
the difficult, stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
it can help us grow, it can help us evolve.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
And that brings us back to you, the listener.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Think about like a challenge that you're facing
right now.
What if, instead of you know,letting it just drain all your
energy?
And feed your doubts, rightyeah.
What if you saw it as thisopportunity?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Okay, to strengthen your own inner roots.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Like we were talking about with the tree.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Exactly Like those trees.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, it's a powerful way to shift your perspective
it is.
It's not about, you know,pretending things are fine, no,
or denying that it's hard.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
No, it's about acknowledging that there's
potential for growth even withinlike the struggle.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, it reminds me of that roomie quote.
Oh yeah, the wound is the placewhere the light enters you.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Oh wow, I like that you know it's.
It's sometimes through thosereally tough experiences that we
we discover our greateststrength yes and resilience and
going back to nakashima'sapproach yeah I think what's so
beautiful about it is that it'sjust, it's infused with this
like deep sense of compassion.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
You know he's not like judging the client for
their struggles.
He's meeting them where theyare.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Right where they are.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Offering tools for healing and growth.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
And that's something we could all use a little more
of right.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Self-compassion, especially when we're feeling
like stuck or overwhelmed it'sit's so easy to be hard on
ourselves oh, it's the easiestthing in the world you know and
focus on our flaws yeah, ourshortcomings shortcomings, like
all the things we think we'renot doing right exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
but what if we, what if we treated ourselves with the
same kindness that we wouldoffer to a friend?
You know, yes.
Who was going through somethingtough.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I think that's a really great takeaway from this
whole deep dive.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
It's a good one.
You know, it's not.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
It's not just about the cards.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
It's about cultivating this mindset of
self-awareness, resilience andcompassion.
And compassion, yes, foryourself and for others.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Self-awareness, yes.
Resilience and compassion andcompassion, yes, for yourself
and for others, and rememberingthat we all have this capacity
to grow and evolve.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, even when our leaves are wilting right.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
There's always that potential for new growth, a new
beginning.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
A new beginning.
So the next time you're feeling, you know this self-doubt creep
in.
Remember the tree, the tree.
Remember that you have strongroots those roots, even if you
can't see them they're thereright now they're there down
remember that you have the powerto choose you do how you
respond to those challenges it'sall about choice it is you have
(15:25):
the power it's about tappinginto that inner strength,
seeking support when you need it.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
It's okay to ask for help.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
And trusting that you have everything you need.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
You do.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
To navigate the journey.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
The journey of life.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Beautifully said Thank you.
And thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
On this deep dive.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
It's fun.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Into the world of tarot and self-discovery.
I love tarot and to ourlistener, remember you have the
strength within you.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
You do.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Trust the journey.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Trust it.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Embrace those challenges.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Embrace them.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
And never stop believing in your ability to
blossom Never stop Until nexttime.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
See you later.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Keep exploring.
All right, so get ready, because today we're
diving into the world of tarot.
Oh cool, but with a bit of atwist.
Okay, you know you sent us thistranscript of a session, and
it's with Teru Nakashima.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Right, yeah, Nakashima.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Yeah, and you know, in Japan he's like huge for all
his work on self-esteem, and sowe're going to unpack how he
actually uses tarot to work witha client, and this client is
battling well two things reallyokay.
Low confidence, right, and uh,a deadline that's coming up
pretty fast oh, I know thatfeeling.
(00:34):
Yeah, everyone does so what's sointeresting to me right off the
bat yeah is that the wholesession it's in japanese and you
can just tell like right awaythat Nakashima he isn't focused
on, you know, like predictingthe future or anything.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It's not about fortune telling.
No, not at all it seems likeit's more about like using the
cards to kind of guide theclient towards action.
You know helps them build theirself-belief.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It's like he's using the cards almost as a way to
have this conversation with theclient, subconscious.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, you know, bringing all these hidden
thoughts and feelings just up tothe surface Totally, and you
know what the client's situationis, something I think a lot of
us can relate to.
Oh, for sure you know they'vebeen procrastinating on this
task.
The deadline is like rightaround the corner and their
self-doubt is just spiraling.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Like a downward spiral.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
And they even say to Nakashima like you know, I feel
paralyzed, like the pressure isjust too much.
Yeah, but before they even getto the cards, nakashima has them
do like breathing exercisesInteresting.
What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I think it's smart.
Yeah, think about that.
I I think it's smart.
Yeah, I mean, he clearlyunderstands the connection
between you know how we feel,like our emotional state and our
ability to actually thinkclearly, right?
That feeling of I can't do this, you know, it's often rooted in
anxiety, right?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
not a lack of capability yeah, so he's really
trying to create like a sense ofcalm before they even like
touch the cards.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, get them grounded, smart yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Okay, so the first card he pulls yes Is strength,
yeah, but it's reversed.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Ooh interesting.
So what does that tell us?
What does he say?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Classic indicator of, like you know, that inner
strength is blocked.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
The clients, you know , their usual drive, their
determination.
It's all being kind ofovershadowed by this urge to
just like.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
To just avoid it.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, withdraw, avoid the whole thing.
And this is where I thinkNakashima.
Just, he uses this brilliantanalogy of a tree.
Oh so he describes the client'sself-esteem as the roots of
this tree, which you know,they're a little shaky right now
but they're still anchored.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Still there.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
What I love about that is that it's both accurate
and de-reassuring at the sametime.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Totally.
He's not sugarcoating it right.
I mean, the client isstruggling, but he's emphasizing
that even when you know, evenwhen our self-esteem takes a hit
, there's still that corestrength that you can tap back
into.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It's still there, so the roots are there, you just
need a little TLC.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
A little love.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So what's next?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Okay, so next card is the lovers.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Which you know, usually that has pretty positive
connotations.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, sure Choice partnership.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
you know, usually that has pretty positive
connotations yeah sure Choicepartnership.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
You know connection Connection right.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
So how does that work with this client situation?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Well, what's interesting is Nakashima.
He kind of picks up on thistendency.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
In the client to try and do everything solo.
Oh yeah, Like they have tohandle this all alone.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And so the lovers appearing here is a direct
challenge to that mindset.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
You know, it's like the cards are saying hey, look
around, you have support.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
You don't have to do it all yourself.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, and it ties into that thing.
We all think, you know, thatasking for help is a sign of
weakness.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
When actually it can be incredibly empowering.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yes, and the lovers it also brings in, like that
element of choice.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Right, and Nakashima emphasizes how each decision,
even something small likechoosing to work on the task for
just 15 minutes.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, yeah Can shift the energy A little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And break that procrastination cycle.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Momentum yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
It's like saying you are not a victim of your
circumstances.
You have agency Absolutely,which I mean.
I think we all need to hearthat sometime.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Oh for sure, Big time .
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Right, it's a good reminder that we're not like
passive bystanders in our ownlives.
Yeah, we have the power to makechoices that move us forward.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
You're in the driver's seat exactly all, right
now the final card.
Okay, the final card, drum rollthat he pulls.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah is the star the star and if you've ever seen
this card, it's just, it'svisually stunning oh, yeah,
beautiful this bright, shiningstar in the night sky uh-huh and
nakashima.
He really leans into that wholeimage.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I bet.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, he points out how you know, just the literal
brightness of the star right.
It's like a representation ofall this unseen potential that
exists for the client.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Even though they're struggling.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Even amidst, yeah, all their current struggles.
It's like he's saying look,things might feel dark right now
, yeah, but there's a wholegalaxy of possibility Of that
Waiting for you.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
On the other side of this deadline.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Beautiful.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And he connects this so beautifully back to the
client's situation.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Okay, how so?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
He's suggesting that by completing this task, the
client they won't justexperience, you know, relief.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
It's more than just relief.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
It's a renewed sense of self-belief.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
You know, remember that tree.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It's like the leaves are starting to unfurl and
flourish again.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I love that imagery.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
It's so vivid.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
It really is.
He's painting this picture of,like this positive
transformation.
Yeah, and it's possible.
It's not just about checking abox.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
It's about restoring a sense of confidence, and
agency, you got this.
Exactly.
And then you know, heencourages the client to
actually visualize their ownstar.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
To imagine like that feeling of accomplishment.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, yeah and inner peace, that's powerful.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
That's waiting for them.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, what a great way to like shift the focus away
from fear, yes, and towards amore positive outlook.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Exactly.
It's interesting, though, likehe doesn't just leave it at that
Right With that hopeful image,you know, he actually gives the
client some really practicaladvice.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Okay On how to get there, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
While he suggests like breaking the task down.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Okay, yeah, into smaller steps.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Smaller steps, yeah To overcome that feeling of
being overwhelmed.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Mm-hmm Classic advice .
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
But it really works.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Right, it's so effective, it's so effective
Because it shifts your focus.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
From this huge, daunting project.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
To something manageable.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yes, something manageable, yes, totally.
It's like, instead of staringup at this like massive mountain
, you're just focusing on takingthat first step on the trail.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Exactly, yeah, and he also talks about support.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And not just practical help, but also like
emotional support from peoplewho believe in them.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Which goes back to, like you know, that lover's card
and that whole idea that wedon't have to do this alone.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
We're not alone.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
It's like he's giving the client permission to like
lean on their network a littlebit.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
It's more than permission.
I think it's encouragement.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Oh OK.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
You know, it's like he's saying, hey, seeking
support is a sign of strength,not weakness.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Oh, I like that.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And it's also a reminder that we all have blind
spots.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Sometimes we need that outside perspective to see
things clearly.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
And then, of course, there's the whole piece about
you know, cultivating hope.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, which can feel a little abstract.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
It can, yeah, a little bit, but he brings it
back to the tree.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yes, he does, he ties it back beautifully.
Yeah, he reminds the clientlike, even when the leaves are
all withered, the roots arestill there.
You know, yeah, gatheringstrength, they're still there.
And that consistent effort, yes, even in small doses.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
It'll nourish those roots.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
It'll nourish those roots.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
And'll nourish those roots and lead to new growth.
It's such a powerful metaphorit is for like the resilience of
the human spirit.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, it's not just aboutgetting through this one
deadline.
It's about building thatfoundation.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yes, of self-belief yes.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
That can carry you through anything.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Exactly yeah.
You know what I find socompelling about Nakashima's
approach.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
What's that Exactly?
Yeah, you know what I find socompelling about Nakashima's
approach.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
He never dictates.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Oh, interesting.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
He guides, he uses the cards as this framework for
self-discovery, not as this setof rigid rules.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
It's like.
Here are some tools andinsights.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Now you create your own path forward, exactly.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And it's clear from the client's responses in the
transcript that they're likefeeling empowered by this whole
process.
They're starting to seethemselves as capable of
overcoming this challenge.
Yeah, and maybe even likegrowing from it.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I love that Right.
This session really highlightswhat tarot can be yes when it's
used in this way.
Yes, it's not about you knowfortune telling.
It's about self-reflection.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, personal growth , and I think it speaks to like
that deeper human need formeaning and guidance.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
We all need a little guidance sometimes.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Right, we all face challenges, oh yeah, in life,
and sometimes we need a littlehelp navigating those.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
The rough waters.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Those rough waters, the choppy seas of life.
And what's so fascinating isthat the cards themselves they
don't actually provide theanswers.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Right, no, no, they're prompts.
They're prompts To help you goinward.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
To trigger introspection and insight.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
It's like they're holding up a mirror.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Reflecting back what's already inside of us, but
maybe hidden beneath thesurface.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Absolutely, and that's where the reader comes in
.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yes, you know, this is key.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Someone like Nakashima.
They can interpret those cardswithin the context of what the
client's going through.
Yes, you know offering insightsand guidance.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
That go deeper.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
That go beyond just the like traditional meanings of
the cards.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yes, which is why it's so important to find a
reader who, like, reallyresonates with you.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Someone who can hold space for your vulnerability and
guide you with like compassionand wisdom.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Absolutely.
It's not just about the cards.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
It's about the connection.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And the trust.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Between the reader and the seeker.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Okay, so we've talked a lot about this specific
reading, but, like, what do youthink this tells us about tarot
in general?
Like, is this somethingeveryone should try?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
You know, I wouldn't say it's for everyone.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
OK.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
But I do think anyone who's curious about exploring
their inner world, yeah,understanding their patterns, mm
hmm, gaining a new perspectiveon their challenges.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Could benefit from it .
Speaker 1 (11:11):
And it's not about giving away your power to the
cards, right?
No, no, you're still in control.
You're the one in control Withyour voices and your actions.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Totally, it's a tool for self-discovery.
Yes, not a crystal ball, right,you know?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
The cards can offer insights and guidance.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Uh-huh.
But ultimately, Like you decide.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
You decide what to do with that.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
So it's more about sparking that internal dialogue
that conversation with yourintuition.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Okay now, yeah, before we wrap up this whole
deep dive, okay, I want to leaveyou with a question.
All right, hit me.
That's been like swirling in mymind ever since I read this
transcript.
I love a good question.
You know how we always hearthat phrase, like what doesn't
(11:58):
kill you makes you stronger.
But what if, instead of seeingobstacles as like these threats,
we viewed them as likeopportunities to strengthen our
roots?
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
You know, like those trees that Nakashima was talking
about.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
That's a really interesting way to look at it
Right.
It shifts the focus, you know,from fear and avoidance to
growth, yes, and resilience.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
And it aligns perfectly with Nakashima's
approach.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
It does.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Of using challenges as these catalysts for
self-discovery.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
And personal development.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, it's like saying, okay, this is tough, but
it's also a chance for me tolike dig deeper.
Yeah, Learn something learnsomething new about myself and
come out the other side stronger.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I love it, embrace it all.
Yes, the good and the bad, thegood the bad, knowing that, even
the difficult, stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
it can help us grow, it can help us evolve.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
And that brings us back to you, the listener.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Think about like a challenge that you're facing
right now.
What if, instead of you know,letting it just drain all your
energy?
And feed your doubts, rightyeah.
What if you saw it as thisopportunity?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Okay, to strengthen your own inner roots.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Like we were talking about with the tree.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Exactly Like those trees.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, it's a powerful way to shift your perspective
it is.
It's not about, you know,pretending things are fine, no,
or denying that it's hard.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
No, it's about acknowledging that there's
potential for growth even withinlike the struggle.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, it reminds me of that roomie quote.
Oh yeah, the wound is the placewhere the light enters you.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Oh wow, I like that you know it's.
It's sometimes through thosereally tough experiences that we
we discover our greateststrength yes and resilience and
going back to nakashima'sapproach yeah I think what's so
beautiful about it is that it'sjust, it's infused with this
like deep sense of compassion.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
You know he's not like judging the client for
their struggles.
He's meeting them where theyare.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Right where they are.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Offering tools for healing and growth.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
And that's something we could all use a little more
of right.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Self-compassion, especially when we're feeling
like stuck or overwhelmed it'sit's so easy to be hard on
ourselves oh, it's the easiestthing in the world you know and
focus on our flaws yeah, ourshortcomings shortcomings, like
all the things we think we'renot doing right exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
but what if we, what if we treated ourselves with the
same kindness that we wouldoffer to a friend?
You know, yes.
Who was going through somethingtough.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I think that's a really great takeaway from this
whole deep dive.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
It's a good one.
You know, it's not.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
It's not just about the cards.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
It's about cultivating this mindset of
self-awareness, resilience andcompassion.
And compassion, yes, foryourself and for others.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Self-awareness, yes.
Resilience and compassion andcompassion, yes, for yourself
and for others, and rememberingthat we all have this capacity
to grow and evolve.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, even when our leaves are wilting right.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
There's always that potential for new growth, a new
beginning.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
A new beginning.
So the next time you're feeling, you know this self-doubt creep
in.
Remember the tree, the tree.
Remember that you have strongroots those roots, even if you
can't see them they're thereright now they're there down
remember that you have the powerto choose you do how you
respond to those challenges it'sall about choice it is you have
(15:25):
the power it's about tappinginto that inner strength,
seeking support when you need it.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
It's okay to ask for help.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
And trusting that you have everything you need.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
You do.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
To navigate the journey.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
The journey of life.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Beautifully said Thank you.
And thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
On this deep dive.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
It's fun.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Into the world of tarot and self-discovery.
I love tarot and to ourlistener, remember you have the
strength within you.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
You do.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Trust the journey.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Trust it.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Embrace those challenges.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Embrace them.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
And never stop believing in your ability to
blossom Never stop Until nexttime.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
See you later.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Keep exploring.
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